Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, July 26th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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jduggan:

or some drugs

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jduggan:

:P

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orogor:

well, there counterweight were not locked nobody expected them to get stollen

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wagnerrp:

yeah, seriously

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wagnerrp:

if they can walk out with 2-ton counterweight, you can walk out with drugs

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orogor:

funnuly i don t exepct so

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orogor:

pharmacy and emergency has emergency rings and cameras

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orogor:

there s uninteruptible phone to police and security staff for them

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wagnerrp:

cat5e will do 100m gigabit right?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: iirc yes.

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orogor:

as i remeber specification says no , we used it to that lenght

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering what the benefit of getting a cat6 panel would be

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: assuming you don't have any 2 for one cheat^Wsplitting devices

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orogor:

2am, next recording is at 6am

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orogor:

anyone found a way to put his screen far away from central unit without cables?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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AndyCap:

I think Nikolai Tesla was on to something.

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Dagmar:

Anyone found a solution for people too damn lazy to websearch ANYTHING?

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orogor:

Dagmar, thanks

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Dagmar:

Wow, that's pretty clearly an admission of guilt.

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orogor:

the ANYTHING isn t true

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orogor:

too damn lazy to websearch isn t true either

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orogor:

but you re not that far

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wagnerrp:

trying to think if theres anything else i need... i always make an order, and then 2 minutes later remember something else

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wagnerrp:

the bag of 8P8C plugs on monoprice has no inserts... are they much harder to crimp?

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orogor:

Dagmar, now there are persons who prefer to intern relay CHAT everythong

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orogor:

s/intern/internet

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: inserts?

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you have mistaken me for someone with a soul.

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orogor:

wagnerrp, which country do you live in ?

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wagnerrp:

you shove the wires into a little plastic clip, before shoving the whole thing into the plug

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wagnerrp:

US

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wagnerrp:

keeps them properly lined up

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AndyCap:

oh. luxury. :P

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orogor:

Dagmar, would that equalto fail a turing test ?

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AndyCap:

was that something Catt6 demanded to reduce crosstalk perhaps?

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: maybe

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wagnerrp:

ive only ever bought one 100pc bag, and they had inserts

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AndyCap:

aha, seems they call it a load bar

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orogor:

want to make you cables yourself?

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wagnerrp:

i should get a bunch of short cables while im at it

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wagnerrp:

i dont really want to be crimping together a dozen or two patch cables

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: never had any problems wiring up connectors without it though

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** orogor never wired any cables **

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: yeah, far easier. :)

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Dagmar:

Ugh

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Dagmar:

Yeah, when you're talking about making more than 3–4 of them at a time, screw that

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Dagmar:

Spend money

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wagnerrp:

especially when theyre $0.71 each for 2ft cables

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AndyCap:

besides I probably won't make them to the exact spec

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: seems they made the inserts to reduce near end cross talk

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orogor:

we buy 20 50 100 200 300 1000 cm at the shop, anything above that we get a coangy to do it

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orogor:

compagny

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orogor:

wagnerrp, yes , here it s like 1â‚¬ for each end (2â‚¬) plus 1â‚¬ per meter until 10 meter

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AndyCap:

Cat-6 is equivalent to magic considering how little I know about transmission systems.

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smithna:

Hi, could I get some pointers on using vdpau? I have an 8400GS card using nvidia-drivers and have setup a profile as listed here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#MythTV_Support. I can watch liveTV and RecordedTV, but videos either hang at the "please wait" or just crash...

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orogor:

cat-6 is like girls on the intenet they don t exis, even if you meet one you deny it exist (forget me, i m too drunk)

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smithna:

Crash = dvd's, hangs with h264 or VC-1

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iamlindoro:

smithna, what version of myth?

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smithna:

trunk

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: hehe, monoprice charges 40 cents for 0.5 ft cables. you'll be saving a fortune.

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iamlindoro:

sounds an awful lot like hardware problems

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wagnerrp:

revision? nvidia driver revision?

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orogor:

Caveats

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orogor:

* No AGP cards support this feature (But PCI versions exist)

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iamlindoro:

but if you're on 185.xx.xx, reverting is worth it

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iamlindoro:

as many people report major issues with it, self included

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: well i technically wont be saving money... its just not worth my time

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iamlindoro:

180.60 is the sweet spot ATM

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smithna:

I last update from SVN Wensday. And I used NVIDIA-Linux-x86–180.51-pkg1.run as the driver

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smithna:

ok, will update to that version now...

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iamlindoro:

.51 should still be okayish

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iamlindoro:

hard locks should be very tough to trigger at this point

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iamlindoro:

if you're getting them frequently, I have suspicions about hardware

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wagnerrp:

playback works just fine if you go back to using the ffmpeg decoders?

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smithna:

I wasn't having the crashes when I was using mplayer

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iamlindoro:

well, easy to trigger if you do something like try to play two things at once with VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

but hard in normal use

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jduggan:

are they working on that?

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orogor:

that s what i asked by well supported in all apps before

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orogor:

seems answer is not

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orogor:

a hard lock ecause you play 2 videos at once....

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iamlindoro:

orogor, VDPAU is only capable of decoding a single stream, and the technology itself is considered alpha.

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU is *not* considered a stable driver feature.

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orogor:

i am all fine with a single stream , all lot less about the hard lock

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iamlindoro:

so wait for it to not be considered a prerelease technology

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orogor:

hence why i dont use it

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iamlindoro:

which has 0 to do with Myth

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solexious|netbk:

What does mythtv use you ripping dvds?

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iamlindoro:

Itself

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orogor:

welll i still ask, if you see ffmpeg for exemple ,they never release

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iamlindoro:

orogor, Except for the one a month or two ago

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orogor:

hence you need to ask for when you can use it

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smithna:

well, I updated drivers (did no good)... And then switched back to ffmpeg — with the result of vob files crashings! BTW: "ffmpeg -i <file.vob>" works fine

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smithna:

so next question... How do I know for sure which profile is actually being used?

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iamlindoro:

frontend logs

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smithna:

I'm looking at them, and they don't say much... BTW: m2ts files do play, if I wait long enough for it to start

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iamlindoro:

that parsing bug is fixed already

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iamlindoro:

fixed 4 days ago

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** smithna better recompile from svn then.... **

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iamlindoro:

5, even

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kormoc:

Hrm. U2 is shrilling for blackberry now, so is the apple/u2 lovefest over?

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solexious|netbk:

Had the same thought kormoc

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iamlindoro:

guess the last check bounced :)

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wagnerrp:

bono decided he'd rather have a RIM job

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** kormoc claps **

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panama007:

can anyone tell me if and which bluray drive is compatible with mythtv, i want to build a box, but i want to know if i can watch my movies on it.

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wagnerrp:

no

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kormoc:

*none

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can play evob and m2ts files

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panama007:

do other linux programs play blurays from the drive?

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wagnerrp:

but it does not understand the bd/hddvd file structure

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wagnerrp:

nor is it capable of decoding on-the-fly

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kormoc:

nope

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panama007:

so only windows for now?

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wagnerrp:

anydvd can be run inside a VM, and there is limited decoding of bd+ on linux

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wagnerrp:

but yes, for the most part, it is windows only

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kormoc:

You can rip on windows and play on myth, but playback direct from the disk, nope

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** iamlindoro prefers to rip his HD material anyway **

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iamlindoro:

and has done a tiny scoche of work to improve the playback as well

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** solexious|netbk agrees with iamlindoro **

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wagnerrp:

i saw anydvd released another patch, was that for the db+ vm rewrite?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Not sure, my AnyDVD is a little out of date, no new movies super recently

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wagnerrp:

i keep mine up to date, primarily because it keeps nagging me about new versions if i dont

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iamlindoro:

don't fire up the Windows VM for anything but ripping :)

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panama007:

could i be able to rip a bluray from VM and watch it at the same time while the image is being made?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

and nothing in linux plays images, you tear out the raw video file

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iamlindoro:

and play just the movie

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wagnerrp:

well you could feasibly be 'catting' the file to a folder mythtv can access, and play back at the same time

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panama007:

anydvd can play even new blurays?

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panama007:

catting?

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wagnerrp:

anydvd cannot play anything

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iamlindoro:

anydvd doesn't play anything

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panama007:

sorry

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panama007:

decode

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wagnerrp:

anydvd is just a decryption layer

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panama007:

decrypt*

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wagnerrp:

among some other things like removing forced trailers and such

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solexious|netbk:

All this work to backup/watch dvd's we have bought

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wagnerrp:

how does mythtv handle playback of files being written to externally?

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panama007:

lol

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wagnerrp:

i imagine remote streaming would be broken

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wagnerrp:

because it defines a file size at the start of the transfer

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panama007:

if anydvd decrypts the bluray, couldnt it be used in linux to play it?

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wagnerrp:

anydvd is windows software

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panama007:

so if they made it for linux, the problem would be solved?

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Dagmar:

Hah

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

sure, if pigs fly

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wagnerrp:

if they made it for linux, sure

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wagnerrp:

you should ask them to do so

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panama007:

like theyd listen

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kormoc:

if pigs flew, I wouldn't have to go out to buy bacon!

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panama007:

lol

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Dagmar:

They're not going to do that

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wagnerrp:

the way anydvd functions, its pretty tightly bound to windows

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wagnerrp:

i suppose they could port their decryption layer without much difficulty

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kormoc:

panama007, what was the entire point of the question if you're not even going to ask them to port it?

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wagnerrp:

but the virtual disk code would have to be completely rewritten

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Dagmar:

Yeah and if they decoupled that decryption layer from their program, their sales would drop AND they'd get the added benefit of making opposition lawyers even angrier

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wagnerrp:

and arguably, the people who would be willing to buy their software are going to buy it regardless of what operating system it is on

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panama007:

that's always good

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jams:

if you searched their forums these questions have already been answered

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panama007:

ive been looking for a whil now, and everything i found saying it wasnt possible was written like half a year ago

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panama007:

while*]

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Dagmar:

...are you suprised then to hear that it's _still_ impossible?"

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panama007:

yes

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kormoc:

wow, he's new to computing

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panama007:

fairly yes

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panama007:

i guess im just going to use wmc

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** kormoc waves **

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wagnerrp:

does WMC play bluray?

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kormoc:

nope!

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wagnerrp:

well that sounds like a plan then

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panama007:

WHAT?

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wagnerrp:

XP cant even play DVDs on its own

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sphery:

And there will /never/ be a Blu-Ray drive for XBox 360...

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iamlindoro:

can only play Blu ray on windows with an actual blu ray playback software

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iamlindoro:

which WMC ain't

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sphery:

But you can get a really good deal on an XBox 360 HD-DVD... :)

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smithna:

iamlindoro: updating my install fixed the playback issues (guess I wasn't patient enough), but the crashing vob files continues — but it's not all vob files... Guess I will be troubleshooting tomorrow.

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iamlindoro:

smithna, good to hear

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sphery:

kormoc: BTW, I need you to take care of a UPS issue for me... I got my XBox 360 shipping label at 3:30, checked to see when the UPS store closed and the website said 4:30. Drove down there and it had closed at 4:00 (website was wrong). Got any extra room in your garage for the guy who updates the website?

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kormoc:

sphery, plenty, I have a dual level garage and the upper floor is dedicated to those who... displease me

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** kormoc eyes the channel **

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sphery:

great

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** solexious|netbk bows down to kormoc **

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panama007:

Well, thanks everyone, I've found out that the drive I'm planning on buying comes with PowerDVD

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats pretty common

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iamlindoro:

PDVD is a hot mess

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panama007:

why so?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, powerdvd hosed up my computer such that i just trashed it and reinstalled

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iamlindoro:

Having used it, I'll happily stick with my Myth + unmolested movie files

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wagnerrp:

it played hell with my filter settings

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wagnerrp:

and did some other stuff to the system as a whole that pissed me off (i dont remember what off hand)

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panama007:

well, I plan on using it only on my htpc.

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iamlindoro:

sets itself up as media player for pretty much everything without asking, that's fun

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panama007:

lol

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iamlindoro:

loads the registry with random crap

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iamlindoro:

and after that, still manages to crash two times out of three

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panama007:

lol

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iamlindoro:

but only after freezing the system for a few minutes

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McNever:

ok guys... anybody want to field a couple noob questions/issues?

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iamlindoro:

oh, and the pretty-much-daily updates

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iamlindoro:

McNever, This is the place to ask questions that have been well-researched and not found in the wiki or documentation

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panama007:

do u have a better alternative to playing blurays from drive?

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moodboom:

panama007 boycott bluray – let the big guys know you don't want insane DRM that requires secret codeshifting backflips in a virtual machine

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iamlindoro:

McNever, if you ask questions about stuff that you could have just looked up, though... well, I imagine you know what will happen

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panama007:

I don't see one person(me) making a difference in the BluRay business

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panama007:

I don't plan on buying any films

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mchou:

heh

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** kormoc blinks **

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panama007:

My entire family uses them, ill just borrow

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McNever:

i am a firm rtfm believer... but i have to admit i'm kind of slow when it comes to linux....

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mchou:

that's what they all say until MPAA knocks on the door

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panama007:

you talking to me?

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mchou:

like that single mom that got dopeslapped

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panama007:

gues not.

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McNever:

if there is a more appropriate 'noob channel' somehwere i will gladly take my tard questions elsewhere..

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kormoc:

panama007, just ignore him

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iamlindoro:

McNever, There probably isn't a channel that isn't going to expect that you at least read for your answers on the wiki or docs, no

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mchou:

McNever: ask yer question. we'll let you know if it's noob

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mchou:

if you get a response like RTFM you know it's noob

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McNever:

i've got no audio on analog channels... pvr-1600... when i download through mythweb the videos have audio so i assume its a frontend problem...

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mchou:

hehe

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mchou:

that's not noob

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McNever:

oh... it feels noob

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mchou:

nope, not noob at all

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iamlindoro:

McNever, did you set up the card as MPEG-2 encoder type?

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iamlindoro:

McNever, ah, pardon, your setup is fine

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sphery:

if the file is good, you likely need to fix your MythTV Audio output device

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iamlindoro:

McNever, sounds like your audio output device is just wrong

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sphery:

in frontend settings under the main settings area in General Settings

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iamlindoro:

indeed :)

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mchou:

oh, so here comes iamlindoro to the rescue after telling you off in the first place

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sphery:

McNever: what are you trying to use for output? digital (S/PDIF or HDMI) or analog?

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McNever:

sall good... like i said i'm rtfm supporter... plus if help me get it working you can tell me off all day

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McNever:

hdmi for output... works for dig channels..

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kormoc:

mchou, oh shut it, you're not helping

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wagnerrp:

are you trying to use hdmi for audio as well?

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sphery:

McNever: change your recording profiles (all 4 of them) to use 48kHz audio

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mchou:

kormoc: shut it yourself

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mchou:

kormoc: dont make me tell you again

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** kormoc eyes mchou **

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mchou:

kormoc: zip it

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** Dagmar cheers **

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iamlindoro:

Well I thought I'd never see the day

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kormoc:

It's been zipped

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rejoice:

bah

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McNever:

yeah hdmi for audio as well

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iamlindoro:

McNever, sounds like sphery is right re: change your recording profiles

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The is now known as Dagmar

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/setup->Setup->TV Settings->Recording Profiles

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iamlindoro:

MPEG-2 encoders in that menu

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iamlindoro:

then each subtype

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sphery:

McNever: 48kHz is the easy workaround without actually fixing the problem (that your audio config isn't using the rate-conversion plugin)

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McNever:

haha

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McNever:

i'll go with workaround

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sphery:

but learning to do the alsa config right is a huge undertaking

[01:56:29]

sphery:

I'm still hoping if enough people ignore ALSA it will eventually go away

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Dagmar:

heheh

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McNever:

so i have 3 recording profiles listed... mpeg 2 encoders, hardware dvb, and transcoders

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sphery:

07.25 21:55:31 < iamlindoro> Utilities/setup->Setup->TV Settings->Recording Profiles

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sphery:

07.25 21:55:38 < iamlindoro> MPEG-2 encoders in that menu

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sphery:

McNever: in reality, you want 48kHz audio, anyway, so it's good to make this change

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sphery:

but if you really want to get your system set up so it will work with other audio, too (including 44.1kHz CD-A or 32kHz stuff), see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digita . . . .2C_Properly

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sphery:

doesn't talk about HDMI directly, but you should be able to figure it out from the information (and comments) provided there

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McNever:

changing the bitrate right?

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sphery:

you want to change the sample rate

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sphery:

probably 32kHz now, need 48kHz

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McNever:

it was 48000 already

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McNever:

for all 4

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sphery:

then chances are your Audio output device (in Myth) isn't the HDMI output

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iamlindoro:

sounds like maybe you're passing through AC-3/DTS, and your passthrough device is write, and the regular audio out is wrong

[02:04:53]

sphery:

but your Passthrough device is, so you get only passthrough

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iamlindoro:

er is right

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** kormoc wonders if he can get a $23m loan for a Armidale class patrol boat... **

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McNever:

sweet... i wish i'd have understood them then...

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McNever:

i'm checking my audio stuff again...

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McNever:

i have it set to audio output device set to alsa:default

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McNever:

and

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McNever:

root@mythtv-frontend:/etc# cat asound.conf

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McNever:

pcm.!default {

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McNever:

type hw

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McNever:

card 0

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McNever:

device 3

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McNever:

}

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McNever:

root@mythtv-frontend:/etc# aplay -l

[02:07:45]

McNever:

**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****

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McNever:

card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: ALC662 Analog [ALC662 Analog]

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iamlindoro:

uh oh

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McNever:

Subdevices: 1/1

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McNever:

Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

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McNever:

card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 1: ALC662 Digital [ALC662 Digital]

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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McNever:

Subdevices: 1/1

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McNever:

Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

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McNever:

card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: NVIDIA HDMI [NVIDIA HDMI]

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sphery:

pastebin!!!

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McNever:

Subdevices: 1/1

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McNever:

Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

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McNever:

root@mythtv-frontend:/etc#

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McNever:

huh?

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McNever:

should i not paste?

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sphery:

never paste more than 3 lines into IRC

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sphery:

instead use http://pastebin.ca/

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sphery:

or similar

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McNever:

my bad... i'm a cisco guy... cut and paste is my lifeline... sorry

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iamlindoro:

never heard that one before

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iamlindoro:

"I'm a cisco guy"

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McNever:

really?

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** iamlindoro has numerous cisco certs and has never done that **

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kormoc:

All that training and you just copy and paste?

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iamlindoro:

as an excuse for doing that? no.

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sphery:

McNever: we'd likely need frontend logs (in pastebin!) to help

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sphery:

but your audio is misconfigured (as it will only accept 48kHz)

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sphery:

see the previously-linked wiki page for how to fix that

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McNever:

i copy and paste everything that i can in cisco ;)

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sphery:

but if you have 48kHz in recording profiles, you have additional problems (that require more info, from the logs)

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McNever:

is there an easier way to pull the logs than through the gui

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McNever:

(stupid question i know there is, i guess better question is 'will you tell me how to pull the logs without using the gui)

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sphery:

log files

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sphery:

(I'm assuming "through the GUI" means you're looking at the frontend status page's log events...)

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sphery:

where your distro is set up to log output I can't tell you, though

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McNever:

http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f6b26a37e

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sphery:

is this Windows frontend?

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McNever:

mythbuntu9.04

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sphery:

nvm... it's a windows video

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sphery:

Forced audio codec: mad

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sphery:

Opening audio decoder: [libdv] Raw DV Audio Decoder

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sphery:

Unknown/missing audio format -> no sound

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sphery:

see the part about "upgrade/install the binary codecs package"

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iamlindoro:

None of this is even an attempt to watch a Myth recording

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iamlindoro:

Thought the question was re: analog recordings from an HVR-1600?

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sphery:

oh, yeah, he did say that...

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sphery:

I thought I just assumed he was having problems with recordings

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, and don't paste logs of your stolen movies in here, jesus

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iamlindoro:

http://www.google.com/search?q=analshit-ts&am . . . nt=firefox-a

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iamlindoro:

Yay thievery

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Dagmar:

faaaaaaal

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Dagmar:

i

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McNever:

oops

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panama007:

does anyone have comcast?

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iamlindoro:

many people, many myth users, even

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panama007:

I want to know if I will be able to watch all the HD channels that you need a box for.

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iamlindoro:

depends on how you hope to capture them

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panama007:

using a tv tuner card?

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iamlindoro:

if you hope to do so with a digital capture card, no, you won't.

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SlicerDicer:

panama007: 5C protections are hit and miss, QAM is unlikely

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iamlindoro:

You'll get NBC, CBs, ABC, Fox, and some other randoms

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iamlindoro:

the only "surefire" way to watch all your channels is the Hauppauge HD-PVR

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iamlindoro:

at least, going under the assumption that you hope to capture them in HD

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panama007:

what makes it different?

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iamlindoro:

It captures the one and only analog HD output

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iamlindoro:

component cables

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SlicerDicer:

iamlindoro: that HD-PVR is garbage though afaik.. it is not reliable one bit

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panama007:

they dont make a pci card to do that?

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SlicerDicer:

panama007: no

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iamlindoro:

SlicerDicer, do you own one? I own two.

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iamlindoro:

Work great, perfectly reliable

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SlicerDicer:

iamlindoro: just going by what I have heard from others that have them

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iamlindoro:

so hearsay versus my actual experience :)

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wagnerrp:

the drivers were formerly buggy, because they were still being written and were unstable

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iamlindoro:

HD-PVR isn't even remotely garbage, it's pretty awesome hardware

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wagnerrp:

but the hardware itself is fune

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wagnerrp:

fine

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iamlindoro:

with up to date firmware and drivers, and up to date myth, works without a hitch

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SlicerDicer:

iamlindoro: I have no firewire problems on comcast WA State, yet NM gives me flak. Apples =! Oranges

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iamlindoro:

=! != !=

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SlicerDicer:

o_O

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iamlindoro:

SlicerDicer, I am speaking from direct experience with > 1 unit, as well as being one of the first 3 people to use in in linux/myth, and I'm the primary HD-PVR linux documentation author... I consider that experience fairly reliable

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SlicerDicer:

iamlindoro: I am just simply saying hardware variables are a big key I think.. you might have hardware that does not cause problems. for example my audigy 2 firewire port does not record reliably like my TI card

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iamlindoro:

SlicerDicer, If you don't own one, and have never used one, and your sole experience is "I've heard," then it would be best to reserve judgment.

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iamlindoro:

or at elast defer to those that do/have

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iamlindoro:

er least

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sphery:

xris: that's the script that creates "dynamic" menu xml files with an entry for each trailer

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sphery:

wonder if it violates the ToS

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** iamlindoro rues the day the "dynamic menu" thing went it **

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iamlindoro:

er in

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SlicerDicer:

iamlindoro: well I have never had any problems with a hauppauge product once configured properly so meh its possible tardation hit others hard

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SlicerDicer:

or pebkac

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** sphery roux the day the "dynamic menu" thing went in **

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sphery:

mmmm... smells so buttery...

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sphery:

heh, the dir in mythappletrailer-0.04.3.tar is mythtraler

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iamlindoro:

literacy--

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sphery:

Anyone know where the ToS is for the Apple Trailer RSS feed?

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sphery:

I've heard people say, "If they put in in RSS, it's fair game," but I sincerely doubt just putting something in RSS means that copyright law doesn't apply.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.apple.com/legal/terms/site.html

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iamlindoro:

States it applies to all web content on apple.com

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sphery:

is RSS XML considered web content?

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sphery:

i.e. http://www.apple.com/trailers/home/xml/current.xml

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sphery:

I guess, though, the images and trailer files downloaded through HTTP would be...

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iamlindoro:

IMO, yes

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wagnerrp:

think if it were using the rss feed directly, there would be absolutely no question

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wagnerrp:

however you have to add a 'h' to the download url

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iamlindoro:

http://www.apple.com/legal/terms/site.html

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iamlindoro:

erm

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iamlindoro:

"You may not use any “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider” or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology, or any similar or equivalent manual process, to access, acquire, copy or monitor any portion of the Site or any Content, or in any way reproduce or circumvent the navigational structure or presentation of the Site or any Content, to obtain or attempt to obtain any materials, documents or info

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iamlindoro:

rmation through any means not purposely made available through the Site. Apple reserves the right to bar any such activity."

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wagnerrp:

maybe if you could rework it so it grabbed the download link out of the 'not-h' file

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sphery:

"no part of the Site and no Content may be copied, reproduced, ... in any way (including "mirroring") to any other computer ... without Apple's express prior written consent"

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iamlindoro:

key being "or any content" as I read it

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sphery:

the scrape thing was the reason the apple_trailers.pl script got pulled out of Myth's contrib dir.

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iamlindoro:

The way I read it, "You may not us any... automatic device... to...acquire...any content"

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sphery:

yeah, pretty sure that's in violation

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iamlindoro:

while ellipsis only cutting out non-relevant parts

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iamlindoro:

er with

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sphery:

want to put something in discussion on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_Apple_Trailers

[02:45:05]

iamlindoro:

no :)

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sphery:

as, like xris said, it's #6 google hit for "apple trailers"

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iamlindoro:

better would be to have a wiki admin remove the page

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wagnerrp:

well so long as it's not put into auto-download mode, it is not automatically acquiring content

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iamlindoro:

it's automatically acquiring it if you don't have to navigate the site to get to it, as I read it

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wagnerrp:

then what is the rss feed for?

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iamlindoro:

The RSS feed sends you to the page for the trailer

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sphery:

"in any way reproduce or circumvent the navigational structure or presentation of the Site or any Content"

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sphery:

it does have a direct link to the trailer, though

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iamlindoro:

Huh? No it doesn't

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iamlindoro:

it links to the trailer *page*

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iamlindoro:

not the trailer file

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iamlindoro:

which the script circumvents by hunting down the file and pulling it

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wagnerrp:

sphery: is it actually the direct link? or is it a link to the quicktime file?

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McNever:

WOOT

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McNever:

thanks guys... i have all kinds audio

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sphery:

link to a mov

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McNever:

next time i'll remember no c&p

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wagnerrp:

which is just a couple kb quicktime descriptor file

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wagnerrp:

the actual video has a 'h' added into the end of the link

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iamlindoro:

sphery, not here it doesn't

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sphery:

at http://www.apple.com/trailers/home/xml/current.xml

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

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wagnerrp:

well this is interesting

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iamlindoro:

sphery, that's a mov preview of the trailer, no?

[02:50:20]

iamlindoro:

hmm, guess that's probably the trailer

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sphery:

<preview><large filesize="26670766">http://movies.apple.com/...mov</large></preview>

[02:50:33]

sphery:

yeah, the trailer

[02:50:46]

sphery:

definitely one for the lawyers

[02:50:48]

iamlindoro:

anyway, in firefox it just takes you to the trailer page

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sphery:

ahh, i don't have an rss client

[02:51:23]

wagnerrp:

oh, it does have the 'h' in there

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iamlindoro:

sphery, That doesn't seem to be a linked rss feed

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wagnerrp:

the files linked to by the website do not

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kormoc:

a mov preview of the trailer? Trailers have trailers now?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, only link on the RSS page is one that links you to the trailer page

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iamlindoro:

sphery, so that would be the aforementioned content which isn't presented

[02:52:03]

iamlindoro:

er meant to be consumed

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iamlindoro:

"to obtain or attempt to obtain any materials, documents or information through any means not purposely made available through the Site."

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sphery:

so current.xml (in the script) isn't supposed to be used directly/isn't the rss?

[02:53:01]

iamlindoro:

http://images.apple.com/trailers/home/rss/newtrailers.rss

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iamlindoro:

is the only one linked on the site

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sphery:

hmm rss entension. who'd a thunk

[02:53:35]

iamlindoro:

perhaps the xml is meant to generate the actual trailer page?

[02:53:40]

iamlindoro:

(and is thus not the RSS feed)

[02:55:22]

sphery:

well, I got yelled at when i thiught they were talking about apple_trailer.pl here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/339257#339257

[02:55:41]

sphery:

see immediate folloe up

[02:56:00]

sphery:

hard to type when eating a popsicle

[02:56:08]

kormoc:

THUNDER!

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** kormoc dances **

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Wonder where he got his law degree? ;)

[02:56:27]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/339265#339265 was my response

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sphery:

iamlindoro: from Missionaria Protectiva

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iamlindoro:

obscure dune reference +1

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sphery:

was his .sig

[02:58:05]

sphery:

though it seems quite appropriate for an answer

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sphery:

"sowing the seeds of superstition in primitive cultures"

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** iamlindoro declares that Steve Wozniak may not make any more local Toyota ads **

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

they are tracking xml users by having the coverart go to a xml specific url

[03:02:04]

kormoc:

so the easy solution, trailers@mac.com , ask them

[03:02:51]

sphery:

you and your straightforward ideas...

[03:03:22]

kormoc:

I know, such backwards thinking

[03:03:41]

sphery:

and no armchair lawyering involved... :(

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kormoc:

"The mean digitalization of data puts it into pubic domain, as public domain currently houses works that contain 1's and 0's, and the digital work is made up entirely of 1's and 0's, so therefor, the digital work is fully made up of public domain data, and therefore, public domain!"

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kormoc:

*the digitalization

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iamlindoro:

That's some mailing list logic right there :)

[03:06:40]

sphery:

I remember when digital meant digital, instead of meaning binary

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Dagmar:

I remember when it meant paper cards and lots of them

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iamlindoro:

I remember when digital referred to your hands

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iamlindoro:

beat that, suckas

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** kormoc wonders if he could be profitable as a PT boat for hire **

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iamlindoro:

most assuredly

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kormoc:

even if it's $23M loan to get started?

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iamlindoro:

sure!

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sphery:

only if you can do MythWeb dev while you wait for the divers to surface

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Dagmar:

That's chump change for venture capitalists

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kormoc:

So who wants to write up a business plan!

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Dagmar:

I've got a cocktail napkin

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kormoc:

woot

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iamlindoro:

don't think woot carries them

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wagnerrp:

hands? i thought it meant your fingers

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It does, hands include fingers

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iamlindoro:

usually

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kormoc:

Have you ever seen your fingers fing?

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Dagmar:

*response may be unsuitable for viewers under the age of 18*

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wagnerrp:

woo! first bluescreen on windows 7

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clever:

:D:D:D

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yabadoo:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

don't do it

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iamlindoro:

he deserves it

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kormoc:

it's true, but one more chance...

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kormoc:

perhaps he'll never come back...

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iamlindoro:

I've given up on miracles

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kormoc:

Heh, I'm hopeless, or at least that's what the ladies all say

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** iamlindoro puzzles over dvdsubdec.c apparently having HD-DVD subtitle support, yet not finding any **

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iamlindoro:

Hmm.. seems it's only certain types

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iamlindoro:

or maybe most HD-DVDs just didn't have them

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iamlindoro:

Yep, found some on Star Trek season 1.. they seem to work-- weird, can't beleive all my films had none

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iamlindoro:

Whoah... crazy. The subtitles pid only shows up in the film once the subtitles start. It's there on all the films, just can't select them until a sub would be showing.

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iamlindoro:

Oh Well, mystery solved

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

that seems... wrong

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iamlindoro:

HD-DVD only, DVD seems to show at all times

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kormoc:

I think during silent moments, it should say "This space intentionally left blank." to let you know that it is working

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iamlindoro:

heh

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kormoc:

so sphery, Meteor gets points for having Chris Lloyd in it

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kormoc:

So if you know the dimensions and the mass, wouldn't you know the Mean density?

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clever:

kormoc: http://xkcd.com/608/

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mchou:

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orogor:

mythfrontend regularly freeze with that : http://pastebin.com/m3cb8114f

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orogor:

is it a known problem

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juski:

search svn.mythtv.org & the mythtv mailing lists to find out

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sidh:

greetings gentlemen

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sidh:

does someone could help me please, i have a msi-6583 motherboard for wich i can not find any doc, and i wonder how to find the pwr switch to plug it

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sidh:

it seems the panel pins are into 2 jfp1 and jfp2 pin group

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coldpenguin:

so what is the problem?

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sidh:

coldpenguin: i can't manage to connect the tower to the mother board

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sidh:

powerswitch , hdd led; reset sw and so on

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coldpenguin:

This appears to be a very old medion motherboard, taken as OEM from MSI

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coldpenguin:

MSI boards usually have PWR, HDLED +/- written on the silkscreen of the mb

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coldpenguin:

Have you tried emailing medion for a copy of the manual?

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orogor:

it still seems i can t record more than one channel at a time

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orogor:

taht with freebox iptv, anyone may help me on that ?

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orogor:

why isn there something like nuvexport but integrated inside mythtv, or did i skipped something ?

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laga:

because there's nuvexport

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gbee:

because no-one has written it

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gbee:

because xris is a perl programmer and not a C++ programmer, you can probably come up with several reasons, but the important one is that this is OSS – you want a feature you write it (or just wait quietly until someone else decides to)

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orogor:

i am reading the comercial flagging/removing article in the wiki

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orogor:

something isn t clear to me, transcoding when set in profile always automatically remove commercial? becuase there s no checkbox for that

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ultra-:

hey does anybody here have a squeezebox boom?

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laga:

can you stop asking meta questions?

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ultra-:

that's a meta question?

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laga:

oh, wait. you are not that french guy. still, it's better to ask a specific question

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ultra-:

i'm specifically looking for somebody who has a squeezebox boom so i can get an opinion of the audio quality

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iamlindoro:

a question that describes the question you intend to ask? Yes.

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ultra-:

ok

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ultra-:

there's my question then :)

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iamlindoro:

Probably the same as any other consumer-grade boombox

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gbee:

"What's the audio quality like with a squeezebox boom?"

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iamlindoro:

ie not great, but fine for the average soccer mom

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iamlindoro:

http://the-gadgeteer.com/2009/01/30/logitech- . . . boom-review/

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iamlindoro:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/21/squeezebox-boom-review/

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iamlindoro:

http://review.zdnet.com/product/digital-audio . . . oom/33232996

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iamlindoro:

(not that any of the above is remotely myth related)

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ultra-:

thanks

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laga:

is linuxtv.org down?

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iamlindoro:

seems like

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laga:

bah :(

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laga:

not a good day to be ordering dvb-s2 cards then

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jduggan:

heh

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FR^2:

laga: Good for your purse ;)

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iamlindoro:

I always knew laga carried a purse

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FR^2:

erm.

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FR^2:

I meant the british term, like wallet

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laga:

i dont have a murse either

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** wagnerrp has no idea what a 'murse' is **

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laga:

wagnerrp: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?ter . . . efid=2988815

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wagnerrp:

ah, ill have to tell my cousin that one

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wagnerrp:

(hes studying to become a murse)

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gbee:

laga: let me know what you go for and how it works out

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gbee:

I'm unimpressed with the price of the Nova-HD-S2

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laga:

gbee: yeah. so am i.

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laga:

gbee: if i could get a card for 50â‚¬, that means my hd-capable myth box would only cost 400â‚¬

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jduggan:

are any of the freesat statsions in s2?

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brad2:

hi guys, I was hoping I could get some advice. I decided to compile myth .22 on a test server for a fun Sunday project. :> Mythtv itself, compiled easily, but i'm having some troubles compiling Mythplugins. I am on Fedora 11, and i run the configure script to use /usr/bin/qmake-qt4, but when i try compile using make, it seems to create all the makefiles for /usr/bin/qmake instead. Any advice?

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brad2:

got it! Nevermind :)

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brad2:

or at least part of it

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gbee:

jduggan: not yet, but they will be eventually

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gbee:

I'd sell my Satelco DVB-S, but only to someone who was aware that it's unsuitable for BBC HD (or anything at that frequency)

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jduggan:

i have a nova-s

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jduggan:

bought it for Â£15 + 5 delivery on ebay

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jduggan:

not fully tested yet, i still dont have a dish

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jduggan:

but going to order one tomorrow

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jduggan:

they go for peanuts on ebay now

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jduggan:

Â£20 for 43cm with quad lnb

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jduggan:

with free delivery

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jduggan:

cant go wrong

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gbee:

aye

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gbee:

I have a Nova-S off ebay for Â£12.50 (2@Â£25), not that you can get those deals right now

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gbee:

I'd settle for a cheap Nova-S if I could find it since the price of the Nova-HD-S2 is too high IMHO

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gbee:

but if laga finds a cheaper working S2 card (not Satelco) then I'd definitely be interested

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AndyCap:

jduggan: apart from it being tiny.

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stoth_:

what does the Nova-HD-S2 go for in retail these days?

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jduggan:

AndyCap: 43cm is fine for UK use

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gbee:

stoth_: Â£80–100 right now, that's up around Â£30 from 6 months ago

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jduggan:

im in the mid-south of the uk, so 43cm is fine

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stoth_:

up?

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stoth_:

Hmm.

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gbee:

aye, up

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stoth_:

80 ukp / usd / eur?

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gbee:

I assume due to demand – Â£ UKP

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stoth_:

That might be a side effect of the exchange rate.

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stoth_:

high demand, unlikely.

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stoth_:

where's a good site to buy from?

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jduggan:

play.com

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stoth_:

amazon, 87gbp, kinda steep

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stoth_:

what does the full up S2 board ship for?

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stoth_:

89

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stoth_:

make no sense. A stripped down hvr4000 goes for 87, the fully up version for 89.

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gbee:

stoth_: launch late last year of a new FTA satellite service has ramped up demand for everything Satellite – it's crazy but you've got stores selling out of dishes/cable and prices rising accordingly

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stoth_:

I'm pretty sure our sales have been even, across a 2 year period.

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stoth_:

I'd still go for the full up hv4000 given the minor increase in cost for the features though.

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gbee:

Ebay sellers are making a killing by selling DIY install kits including dish/lnb/cable/instructions

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XLV:

hvr 4000 isnt that the one with analog, dvb-t, dvb-s ( or s2 )?

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jduggan:

i came across a pinnacle that did dual dvb-s or dual dvb-t on the same card, cant remember the model, do you know if that happens to be linux/myth compatible?

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XLV:

and i bet those tuners cant work simultaneously

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jduggan:

its slots im short on, but i havent found any other dual dvb-s

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sid3windr:

that's a bit hard to say then if you don't remember the model :p

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gbee:

stoth_: well you'd know, though I expect the price rises have helped to keep those sales even, demand is certainly higher

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jduggan:

sid3windr: ya, appreciate its rather vague :P

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XLV:

also our government here finally decided that the dvb-t scheme we'll use here will use mpeg4.. and i got a TV and a dvd recorder that only do mpeg2

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gbee:

if Hauppauge UK haven't increased the price, then it's the distributors and retailers that are adding that markup

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stoth_:

xlv: correct, on both counts.

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stoth_:

xlv: where are you based?

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gbee:

stoth_: I take it supplies are generally good?

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XLV:

stoth_, greece

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orogor:

how stavble is the mythtv svn , woudk it be az lot better than the standard ubuntu package ?

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gbee:

orogor: -fixes or trunk?

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orogor:

either, would there be one of both a lot better than ubuntu package?

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XLV:

any luck yet on linux with those win tv ci usb from hauppauge? havent followed any development on supporting them

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gbee:

well it depends what version the ubuntu package is built from, but the -fixes branch may have some newer bug fixes, trunk would have new (but unfinished) features

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gbee:

we want more testing of SVN trunk, but I'm not about to throw a newbie into that fire, especially while there are still many known issues outstanding

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stoth_:

XLV: afaik nobody is working on it.

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gbee:

stoth_: I usually stick with Hauppauge for the reliability/quality and driver availability, it's just a shame that prices have gone that way, I held off buying the S2 because I expected the price to drop not skyrocket :)

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stoth:

gbee: I tend to agree with your comments, prices generally fall.

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gbee:

if I had time I'd bribe some users into buying me one in return for committing s2-api support :p

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jduggan:

lol

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gbee:

before I receive a flood of donations that was a joke, I really don't have the time to get upto speed on the DVB API, review the patches and test them, nor do I have access to any FTA S2 streams right now

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gbee:

which is probably the reason why janneg hasn't made it a priority, and I notice no users are keeping the patches upto date either

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jduggan:

oh shame, there was me about to post you an s2 card

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jduggan:

sigh

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jduggan:

:)

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** kormoc cheers for another post by John Barberio... **

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gbee:

guy doesn't know when a bit of humility is required, I'm amused that he doesn't think that "Major design flaw" is pure hyperbole

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** kormoc ponders starting mailinglistkarma.org **

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gbee:

and that he twists my words – "Demanding that people 'earn your respect' by coding" err, there were no demands and I didn't say it was the only way to earn respect, but it's true that people who supply patches will earn respect

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kormoc:

I would just love him kicked from -dev...

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gbee:

and the guy really doesn't get OSS and the fact that no-one actually likes customer support unless they are paid to do it

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gbee:

quite simply I've never met a single person doing support who would be in that job if it were unpaid

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kormoc:

Ubuntu has spoiled the world...

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kormoc:

I think he's assuming that we hold the channel data in memory somewhere so when he does a rescan, it doesn't actually rescan, just uses the memory cache, until you run a mfdb, which invalidates the memory cache

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wagnerrp:

silly me... i thought i was going to have a bunch of shows to clip and transcode

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wagnerrp:

but here, none of them recorded because the cableco changed channels on me

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psm321:

i hate when that happens

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psm321:

and then theres no updated channel list available for days either usually

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sphery:

heh, sounds like I should check the -dev list...

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sphery:

another fun thread that seems to have been taken too far

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kormoc:

some writer telling us that we're doing things wrong, yay...

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gbee:

I'm not replying any further, not least because I don't want to appear to speak for every last dev, or draw the thread out much longer

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kormoc:

"J. R. Barberio is currently living in Banbury England, and is a Guardian reading wooly liberal intellectual. Unfortunately suffers from CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome), a debilitating condition for which there is no known cure as yet. Currently in the progress of writing a first professional novel."

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sphery:

yeah, I had seen the first post and stuarta's reply, but hadn't really read through them...

[17:53:55]

kormoc:

wtf is wooly liberal intellectual?

[17:53:57]

sphery:

there are a /lot/ more now. :)

[17:54:38]

sphery:

has a beard?

[17:55:51]

XLV:

any link for the work of the wooly intellectual?

[17:55:54]

Dagmar:

Pfft.

[17:56:00]

Dagmar:

CFS fades after a couple of weeks

[17:56:16]

Dagmar:

Been there, done that. Travel agencies are not low-stress environments.

[17:56:19]

XLV:

he may be just a lazy sob

[17:56:20]

kormoc:

I want CFS, give me medical leave!

[17:56:40]

jduggan:

lol

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Dagmar:

You don't want CFS

[18:01:56]

Dagmar:

Not knowing why it seems that you need 18 hours of sleep a day is scary

[18:02:14]

kormoc:

ooh... I already have that

[18:02:33]

kormoc:

I've been known to sleep from friday night to sunday morning

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jduggan:

kormoc: after too many beers?

[18:04:04]

jduggan:

:P

[18:05:11]

kormoc:

nah

[18:06:07]

gbee:

anyone who introduces themselves by telling everyone about their medical ailments ... well says more about them than they meant to let on

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** AndyCap thinks CFS forums should be closed due to endangering the public health **

[18:11:03]

sphery:

Dibblah: looks like he didn't like your response--got a whole new thread from it :)

[18:13:27]

kormoc:

so the wooly liberal intellectual and gardian bit is from a group of people who feel they're the intellectual superior group and have to be the guardians of the species, to prevent intellectual decline...

[18:13:29]

** kormoc sighs **

[18:14:43]

sphery:

FWIW, I think #6764 (10x jump wich CHANNELUP/DOWN) makes absolutely no sense at all--especially when the default jump is 10min. The vast majority of my recordings are less than 100min long.

[18:15:10]

kormoc:

sphery, he said on the mailing list that his jump was 1 minute, so he should just modify that...

[18:15:12]

sphery:

with 10min default, a 2x or 3x /might/ make sense, but then again, you could easily just hit jump 2 or 3 times...

[18:15:18]

sphery:

no joke

[18:15:30]

sphery:

especially since he probably has skip of 30s

[18:15:38]

sphery:

i.e. 2 skips = 1 jump

[18:15:47]

kormoc:

isn't jump a setting somewhere?

[18:15:54]

sphery:

stup^H^H^H^Hdoes not sound like a very smart configuration

[18:16:02]

sphery:

yeah, in playback groups

[18:16:07]

sphery:

(no, not playback profile groups :)

[18:16:16]

kormoc:

so if they wanted it 100 minutes, they could just set it...

[18:16:18]

sphery:

/both/ jump and skip are settings

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sphery:

yeah, he wants to have it work so that different keys jump different amounts

[18:16:58]

sphery:

but what he doesn't realize is that the overlap exists because some people don't have 150 buttons on their remotes

[18:17:53]

kormoc:

I don't like the idea that channel up/down work in playback mode differently then livetv mode

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gbee:

neither do I, and neither do I like bindings being mapped to completely unrelated actions

[18:21:25]

sphery:

Yeah, and really, he was just talking about channel up/down should be used for next/prev recording in playlist when watching recordings

[18:21:54]

gbee:

he can achieve what he wants between the use of skip and jump

[18:22:14]

sphery:

right

[18:22:22]

sphery:

if he set his jump to an appropriate amount

[18:22:40]

gbee:

that's why we have to nearly identical actions in the first place – Skip = jump of small increment, Jump = jump of larger increment

[18:22:42]

sphery:

so, like 15 or 30s for skip and 4 min for jump

[18:22:51]

sphery:

(which works /perfectly/ for me :)

[18:23:03]

sphery:

I have 15 back and 30 forward skip and 4 min jump

[18:23:14]

sphery:

er, 3min jump, it seems

[18:23:27]

gbee:

we don't need a triple jump – Hop, Skip, Jump – this ain't athletics

[18:23:50]

sphery:

heh, I started to write a reply and mentioned that we have skip and jump (but no hop, yet)

[18:24:06]

sphery:

I decided I can't reply, though...

[18:24:50]

sphery:

After all, it wouldn't mean anything to him because he already knows I'm not a "right-thinking" individual (because of the "Recording Priorities page should have its title changed" argument)

[18:26:12]

sphery:

gbee: BTW, on the LiveTV/Deleted/expirable on frontend status page, I was trying to decide how to do it. I agree that having the same code in the frontend makes no sense, but I think the XML approach (getting a full backend status page and throwing away everything else) seems a waste.

[18:26:44]

sphery:

Were you suggesting using more of the info in the backend status xml? If not, what do you think of just moving the query to the lib (i.e. util.cpp or something)?

[18:26:56]

sphery:

s/in the/from the/

[18:27:26]

sphery:

all that info is just from the DB (and there are no filesystem checks for it), so we don't need direct filesystem access.

[18:28:48]

gbee:

whatever works for you, using the xml was just a thought as a way of avoiding the duplication and the easiest way to only display the information we want and retrieve it in a form which won't break every time an addition is made

[18:29:16]

sphery:

just looking to see how the frontend statusbox.cpp is getting it's info now

[18:29:35]

sphery:

because a lot of the info it displays is duplicated on the backend status page

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sphery:

heh, didn't realize there was a "Delete Now" for autoexpire list in there

[18:31:05]

uncategorized:

hi, running .21 from ubuntu repos. mythbackend is a service which starts whenever the computer starts, gdm is set to autologin a user and then start the frontend.

[18:31:22]

uncategorized:

my situation is that i want myth to shutdown between recordings whenever there is no activity in the frontend

[18:31:25]

gbee:

since it's not an area of the code I'm required to maintain it's really just a suggestion, nothing more

[18:31:27]

AndyCap:

on the brigt side, it seems this mantis thing is fairly stable when it first is running

[18:31:35]

orogor:

:/

[18:31:45]

uncategorized:

but despite all my configuration permutations, i cannot get mythtv to idle when the frontend is on....what am i doing wrong?

[18:32:32]

gbee:

uncategorized: currently it's not possible, it's assumed that as long as a frontend is active you want the backend active too, I want to change that in the future, but that's the situation now

[18:32:34]

sphery:

gbee: ok, I'll look at it, but it may be a while before I "do it right." Might just throw the queries in the libs for now. Seems the frontend just duplicates the code to get the info now.

[18:33:05]

sphery:

uncategorized: though you can change it to run MythWelcome instead of mythfrontend07.26 14:18:43 <mchou> hey, are you an op on #mythtv-users?

[18:33:08]

sphery:

07.26 14:18:43 <mchou> hey, are you an op on #mythtv-users?

[18:33:12]

sphery:

oops

[18:33:42]

gbee:

uncategorized: most people use a placeholder application called mythwelcome to act as a launchpad for mythfrontend, you exit mythfrontend to mythwelcome allowing the backend to shutdown and can start mythfrontend from there too

[18:33:49]

sphery:

don't know how a touch of the touchpad could paste

[18:34:13]

uncategorized:

aha. i will try that. thanks

[18:35:00]

gbee:

a lot of people are happy with that solution, but I'd rather see mythwelcome functionality moved into the frontend

[18:35:39]

sphery:

gbee: that would be ideal

[18:35:39]

gbee:

sphery: great eh? You probably hit it at the 'middle button' point

[18:35:52]

sphery:

there's a middle button point on the touchpad?

[18:35:53]

Dagmar:

This would be why we call them "fumblepads"

[18:36:09]

sphery:

I really should use that on/off switch for the touchpad when I have a mouse plugged in

[18:36:14]

sphery:

now off...

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gbee:

sphery: depends on the model, but yep, both my current touchpads offer that

[18:36:26]

sphery:

never knew that

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gbee:

in both cases it's a single tap top-right

[18:36:52]

sphery:

guess I must have had a click & drag copy with a middle click paste

[18:37:14]

gbee:

I think ... now I'm starting to wonder, but I'm not getting out either machine to check :)

[18:37:17]

sphery:

not bad considering I was justreaching for the space bar

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wagnerrp:

sphery: was he looking for another mod to de-op kormoc or something?

[18:37:43]

sphery:

well, I know I didn't even come close to the buttons, so I believe you

[18:37:50]

sphery:

no idea

[18:37:59]

Dagmar:

Probably looking to be unmuted

[18:38:25]

kormoc:

he hasn't been muted for over 12 hours now

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uncategorized:

gbee: is the change in functionality complicated? or rather, just that someone has to sit down and do it?

[18:38:54]

gbee:

uncategorized: the latter

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uncategorized:

mythwelcome seems to work

[18:48:04]

uncategorized:

but two questions:

[18:48:13]

uncategorized:

1) how do i quit mythwelcome if i need to?

[18:48:31]

uncategorized:

2) mythwelcome seemed to start the frontend when it first came up...can that be disabled?

[18:50:31]

wagnerrp:

mythfrontend is a user's attempt at better managing shutdown on combined fe/bes

[18:50:39]

wagnerrp:

it is not required for normal operation

[18:51:40]

wagnerrp:

the idea is that the built in shutdown procedures wont do anything if there is an active frontend on the machine

[18:52:01]

wagnerrp:

so mythwelcome exists to drop you back to an outside menu

[18:52:10]

wagnerrp:

so the backend can shutdown when it wants

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uncategorized:

sure, but if my machine shuts down and then boots back up and mythwelcome launches mythfrontend automatically, then it will never shut down again

[18:52:59]

gbee:

s/mythfrontend/mythwelcome/

[18:53:23]

kormoc:

mythwecome won't launch mythfrontend automatically

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wagnerrp:

more likely that the two are launching independently

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uncategorized:

oh ok...let me try that again then, when i rebooted it seemed like it did but maybe i just have both autostarting

[18:54:05]

uncategorized:

yeah

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uncategorized:

and then is there a way to quit mythwelcome...or do i have to F12 and then kill it?

[18:55:10]

wagnerrp:

why would you want to quit mythwelcome?

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gbee:

uncategorized: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome#Mythwe . . . own_Settings

[18:56:02]

uncategorized:

maybe i want to troubleshoot?

[18:56:10]

uncategorized:

maybe i want to run mythtv-setup?

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gbee:

"The second set of settings are available by pressing 'i/INFO' key in mythwelcome and allows you to setup the daily wakeup/shutdown periods and control whether to automatically start the mythfrontend when mythwelcome is started and it is determined that it was started manually."

[18:56:49]

wagnerrp:

i have no idea what 'f12' would do, unless thats some hotkey for mythwelcome

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uncategorized:

it is a hotkey to open a terminal

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gbee:

so press i and uncheck "Automatically start mythfrontend"

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wagnerrp:

not one that i recognize

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wagnerrp:

'alt-f<key>' are the hotkeys between terminals

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wagnerrp:

and you have to prepend a 'ctrl' if you are in X

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sphery:

too slow... was just about to paste the setting name/help test for "Automatically Start Myth Frontend", but gbee is faster

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uncategorized:

gbee: thanks that worked

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uncategorized:

and was indeed why the frontend had started

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uncategorized:

also, to quit: M is for menu

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uncategorized:

and there are some options there, one of which is to quit

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gbee:

never used mythwelcome

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anykey_:

interesting to see that someone knows everything better than the devs ;)

[19:10:57]

sphery:

all about scanning, you mean?

[19:11:02]

anykey_:

yeah

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sphery:

yeah, funny

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laga:

holy crap

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Dibblah:

Heh. That explains it.

[19:15:08]

Dibblah:

X-Mailer: Apple Mail

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laga:

i stopped reading his reply after the second paragraph

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gbee:

yeah I know, I went on a bit

[19:16:29]

laga:

not yours, barberio's

[19:16:33]

laga:

what a muppet

[19:18:27]

Dibblah:

Well, I don't care. I have a 2 week holiday on a hot greek coming up.

[19:18:35]

Dibblah:

Err... Island. I need a holiday ;)

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jduggan:

lol @ on a hot greek

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iamlindoro:

janneg, Think you forgot to attach your patch (ffmpeg)

[19:18:59]

Dibblah:

Yay for tomorrow :)

[19:19:11]

laga:

Dibblah: heh

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janneg:

iamlindoro: thanks, that's a tradition there

[19:19:38]

iamlindoro:

heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

my cableco really hosed up my lineup

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wagnerrp:

i cant even find NBC

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sphery:

wagnerrp: based on ratings, it sounds like that's the case for the majority of the American public

[19:26:33]

Dibblah:

He also seems to be using "you" as "all of you"

[19:26:47]

Dibblah:

Which is just bloody confusing, since I'm not part of the collective.

[19:26:56]

wagnerrp:

i really should just get a decent antenna and be done with this crap

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sphery:

OTA ftw!

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gribouille:

hui

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gribouille:

hi

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gribouille:

I have a tv tuner card on my windows 2000 box, and I would like to stream it over my local network to watch it on my linux box. does anyone know what software I could use ?

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wagnerrp:

linux

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gribouille:

what ?

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wagnerrp:

wipe win2k off that box and install linux

[19:29:49]

wagnerrp:

or...

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wagnerrp:

pull the card, and put it in your linux box

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gribouille:

come on

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iamlindoro:

he's not joking

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iamlindoro:

if you want to use the card in linux, install linux

[19:30:26]

iamlindoro:

the end

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iamlindoro:

what you want isn't possible-- he's suggesting the alternative

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wagnerrp:

you can stream captured video over VLC, but youre not going to be using that stream with mythtv

[19:31:51]

gribouille:

but it is a wintv pvr

[19:31:51]

** iamlindoro suspects this is another "oh, I have no intention of using your software, just your free answers" question **

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Dagmar:

So effing what?

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iamlindoro:

gribouille, If you want to use it with myth, you need to use it from linux. THE END.

[19:32:21]

anykey_:

well, you could always stream with VLC and setup a channel changer that changes the channel on the win box...

[19:32:31]

sphery:

if it's a WinTV PVR-150 (or 250 or 350 or 500), you've got one of the best choices for an analog capture card for Myth

[19:32:37]

wagnerrp:

anykey_: not a simple nor painless process

[19:32:47]

anykey_:

wagnerrp: not saying it is ;)

[19:33:05]

wagnerrp:

definitely not something someone pops in here with some random question about windows is going to want to attempt

[19:33:08]

anykey_:

wagnerrp: I just say you COULD

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Dagmar:

There's a lot of things a non-lazy person "could" do.

[19:33:40]

gribouille:

my card is a wintv-pvr-250. does it work on linux ?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

check out ivtvdriver.org

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sphery:

like I said, one of the best choices for GNU/Linux analog capture

[19:34:39]

sphery:

though, really, you don't have to check out ivtvdriver.org... just plug it in and it will just work

[19:34:46]

sphery:

especially with something like MythBuntu

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gribouille:

how can I install the driver ?

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iamlindoro:

you don't. you plug it in to any recent linux distro.

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wagnerrp:

the big distros will likely autodetect the card, and install needed firmware

[19:36:09]

** sphery wonders if he's on mute **

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brad2:

haha

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wagnerrp:

ivtvdriver.org should explain how to do a manual install of the drivers, if need be

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Dagmar:

sphery: You're not muted. Your answers just confused the user so he ignores them

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jduggan:

heh

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msaul:

I was wondering if anyone has overcome problems trying to archive on DVD MPEG2-TS recordings...

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Dagmar:

No one's had problems like that.

[19:51:07]

Dagmar:

...because we don't violate copyright here, nor do we tell other people how to do so.

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msaul:

Not in Canada I guess... eh?

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Dagmar:

Not in Canada, not in the US, not in China, not in Finland, not anywhere..

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gbee:

archiving recordings on DVDs isn't illegal unless you intend to sell them

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msaul:

That is what I thought as well

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Dagmar:

Yeah but there's plenty elsewhere that explains how to properly read encrypted commercial DVDs

[19:53:23]

gbee:

Dagmar: he missed a comma, he's not ripping DVDs, he's creating them

[19:53:49]

Dagmar:

Oh well.

[19:54:17]

gbee:

actually a comma wouldn't have sufficed, but nevermind

[19:54:40]

msaul:

In Canada, we pay a tax on the recordable media...

[19:54:40]

msaul:

... and I don't sell any copies I make...

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msaul:

Even in the book "Hacking Myhttv" it states the same concept...

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gbee:

and I'm just assuming he meant "archive MPEG2-TS recordings on DVD"

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msaul:

What I do notice is that the DVD Image created shows Mythtv menu (that works), but cuts out after a few seconds of playing the recorded program.

[19:55:15]

gbee:

mytharchive you mean?

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gbee:

you'd have to speak to paul-h I guess

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sphery:

doesn't that have external dependencies on all sorts of things like mplex/replex/transcode/dvdauthor (and maybe more)?

[19:56:31]

msaul:

When I have tried this on two different MPEG2-TS records (different ones), when I have it create an ISO image, and so into the "dvd" area under TS_VIDEO, then same size for the video appears 3 MB (menu) and approx 6 MB recorded show

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sphery:

if so, it's quite possible that one or more of them may be a version that it doesn't like/hasn't been well tested

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msaul:

It is the same size comparable with other earlier (yet different) one – i.e. consistently wrong

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gbee:

which is why I'd speak tp paul-h, either it's a bug or he should know what versions of those apps it works with

[19:57:45]

msaul:

From the log, it uses mplex, transcode and dvdauthor (I don't re-encode)...

[19:58:15]

msaul:

This is Mythbuntu 9.04

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gbee:

I don't use mytharchive and since most of it uses code outside myth I can't even offer ideas

[19:59:14]

msaul:

Works with NTSC when I don't re-encode, and has been very very successful

[19:59:14]

msaul:

It will work when I use devede to create ISO image and then use Gnomebaker to burn it in, but then commercials are still there...

[19:59:45]

Dagmar:

So transcode out the commercials first.

[20:00:41]

gbee:

lossless transcode

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gribouille:

ok, I've put my tv card in my computer. what now ?

[20:01:15]

iamlindoro:

read the myth installation documentation?

[20:01:20]

iamlindoro:

and do the things it says?

[20:01:22]

msaul:

If there was a way to cut out commercials and have a menu similar (approx) to way Mytharchive does it (cutting out commercials) , then I would since to that different method

[20:01:34]

gribouille:

iamlindoro, come on

[20:01:40]

Dagmar:

No.

[20:01:43]

Dagmar:

READ the documentation

[20:01:48]

Dagmar:

It was written for a reason.

[20:01:57]

gribouille:

I want to watch tv. how can I do ?

[20:02:01]

Dagmar:

You are not nine years old, you are expected to be able to follow simple instructions.

[20:02:03]

AndyCap:

gribouille: you know, this http://www.mythtv.org/docs

[20:02:07]

Dagmar:

Ask a grown up.

[20:02:11]

AndyCap:

gribouille: or just turn on your tv.

[20:02:34]

gbee:

oh, this is a windup right? gribouille is really sphery, nice try though you nearly got me!

[20:03:21]

sphery:

heh... I knew I should have chosen a nick that wasn't so similar to my other one

[20:03:25]

gbee:

gribouille: try kaffeine or tv-time instead

[20:04:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

humph... atsc channel scanner is still broken, eh? :-(

[20:04:23]

sphery:

trunk?

[20:04:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

yeah.

[20:04:33]

sphery:

I think it's more "not complete" than broken

[20:04:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Doesn't seem to want to pull them from SchedulesDirect either for some reason...

[20:04:47]

AndyCap:

sphery: "Your call may be monitored for quality control purposes"

[20:04:49]

sphery:

-fixes one works fine, though

[20:05:14]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, won't pull ATSC from listings provider unless you tell it to specifically

[20:05:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... I should export the channels from my -fixes box and import them in to my trunk box...

[20:05:42]

sphery:

that's more likely to work than using a listings provider (unless you're talking firewire)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I tried, but it doesn't seem to save the proper listing with the provider... (IE: I use both Dish and OTA with my system, and after downloading the listings from SD, it seems to save Dish always instead of my OTA listings...)

[20:07:33]

sphery:

you have to run mfdb and specify the argument that says, "give me the ATSC channels, too, even though they almost definitely won't work"

[20:09:24]

msaul:

J-e-f-f-A: Have you created separate groups, like "OTA" and "SAT"?

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[20:10:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: eh? You lost me — I setup a Video source entitled "OTA HD", and retrieved my SD lineups, and chose "Local Broadcast Listings-LocalBroadcast--01752-PC:", save it, but if I go back in, it's pointing to the Dish lineup again... (maybe it's cosmetic, I'm gonna query the database and see what gets saved)

[20:10:15]

msaul:

I did that for my system. I have groups Cable, OTA, FTA, and have each linked to specific SchedulesDIrect setup... works perfectly....

[20:10:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

msaul: Yes, I do. I've been using myth for several years now, just built a new Trunk box 'from scratch'...

[20:11:08]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: ah, I thought you meant it wasn't pulling in ATSC channels using fetch

[20:11:28]

msaul:

Same here...

[20:11:54]

msaul:

Anyways, good luck, I will work on the archiving MPEG2-TS streams more on my own... :)

[20:12:16]

sphery:

"We have orders to follow." "That's all, Padre." "Language!"

[20:12:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I couldn't get it to load the listings from SD, so I figured I'd try a channel scan... no go either way... doh!

[20:12:29]

sphery:

heh, movies can lose something when they edit them for broadcast... :)

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gbee:

msaul: sorry we can't be more help, but mytharchive is not a plugin that any of us know well

[20:13:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Ok, it seems like the proper lineup got saved into the database...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yikes... fetch doesn't work – says "Skipping Channel fetch, you need to scan for channels first." DOH!

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** J-e-f-f-A grumbles a little bit... **

[20:16:47]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: you have to run mfdb and specify the argument that says, "give me the ATSC channels, too, even though they almost definitely won't work"

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sphery:

Fetch button /never/ works for ATSC--by design

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Ok, I'll give that a shot. sorry, I read when you said it the 1st time, but thought it might have been out of context.. sorry about that.

[20:18:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Is that something that the 'Fetch channels from listing source" button should be doing, but perhaps is currently 'broken' in trunk?

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: nope... It was designed to never add ATSC channels because the listings provider doesn't have enough information, so they won't work. The override is just for people using firewire (who are lucky enough to get ATSC unencrypted through firewire) because it's the only capture source for ATSC for which the listings have enough info to create channels.

[20:22:52]

sphery:

so, even if you make it create channels using the info at SD, it almost definitely won;t work

[20:23:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Ok, I think I follow you now — that's a workaround since I can't scan for channels...

[20:23:24]

wagnerrp:

what is this? Mr. T advertising the flaver-wave?

[20:23:51]

sphery:

oh, and in truth, the first time I said that about mfdb it was out of context (because I thought you were talking about Fetch not working), but it came into context shortly after when you switched topics :)

[20:24:16]

wagnerrp:

honestly... who do they get to sit in the audience for these paid programs?

[20:24:22]

wagnerrp:

do they hire a bunch of extras?

[20:24:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: hehe... ;-)

[20:25:03]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, They shoot them in vacation spots, and give gift certificates for parasailing, tours, etc. in exchange for being the audience for these commercials

[20:25:19]

iamlindoro:

Hawaii, Orlando, etc.

[20:25:32]

iamlindoro:

so most of the audiences are usually tourists

[20:26:16]

sphery:

why would someone give up a day of vacation just to get a parasailing coupon

[20:26:38]

iamlindoro:

couple hours

[20:26:51]

iamlindoro:

I guess because free stuff is seductive?

[20:28:56]

sphery:

So, looking at a couple of FL sites... tickets range from $65-$100 (according to height?). So, depending on how many tickets you get and how long the filming takes and how much you make at work, it may be better just to take one less day of vacation.

[20:29:08]

sphery:

(Oh, and it seems group rates for 5 or more of $55-$85)

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phunyguy:

HAH!

[20:31:00]

phunyguy:

that canadian guy pwned himself

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wagnerrp:

huh... i have two copies of 'KET1' (local PBS station)

[20:31:52]

sphery:

phunyguy: on the list?

[20:31:59]

phunyguy:

what list?

[20:32:08]

sphery:

wondering which guy you meant

[20:32:12]

phunyguy:

the guy that bought my media center on ebay

[20:32:19]

phunyguy:

then said it came with no parts inside

[20:32:37]

phunyguy:

paypal issued him a refund (at my expense) if he sent it back to me

[20:32:39]

Dagmar:

Was it supposed to have parts in side?

[20:32:43]

phunyguy:

yes

[20:32:47]

phunyguy:

and it diud

[20:32:49]

phunyguy:

did

[20:32:53]

phunyguy:

so he sent it to me regular mail

[20:33:04]

phunyguy:

which tells you NOTHING when it comes to tracking

[20:33:14]

phunyguy:

so they closed the claim

[20:33:17]

phunyguy:

and issued no refund

[20:33:20]

sphery:

heh

[20:33:21]

Dagmar:

Good for them

[20:33:22]

phunyguy:

and whatever comes in the mail is a gift

[20:33:31]

sphery:

so now he has nothing and ... yeah

[20:33:38]

wagnerrp:

well... aside from the HUGE loss you took on the parts

[20:33:40]

Dagmar:

It's what he deserves

[20:33:45]

phunyguy:

so A – he stole the parts and didnt want it weighed at ship time

[20:33:54]

phunyguy:

or B – he made an impulse buy

[20:33:57]

phunyguy:

and wanted his money back

[20:34:00]

Dagmar:

Of course he didn't want it weighed, and they saw through that

[20:34:04]

phunyguy:

with A, he got what he paid for

[20:34:14]

phunyguy:

with B – he got screwed

[20:34:17]

phunyguy:

....not my problem

[20:34:29]

Dagmar:

They KNOW there's bad actors out there

[20:34:34]

phunyguy:

yessir

[20:34:40]

phunyguy:

i have regained my faith in paypal and ebay

[20:35:11]

Dagmar:

If he was saying it came with no parts inside, he was planning on sending you back an empty case

[20:35:39]

phunyguy:

yep/.

[20:35:43]

phunyguy:

and if he did

[20:35:46]

phunyguy:

i got my $200 case back

[20:35:48]

phunyguy:

:D

[20:36:11]

Dagmar:

lol

[20:36:19]

phunyguy:

and also, he got $220 worth of parts

[20:36:26]

phunyguy:

instead of $440

[20:36:28]

phunyguy:

err

[20:36:30]

phunyguy:

$420

[20:36:38]

phunyguy:

which is even better for me

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phunyguy:

what a tard

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jduggan:

heh

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jduggan:

if they refused his claim.. he'll ask for the case back now haha

[20:39:47]

Dagmar:

If he did I'd send him back a box half-filled with cat poo

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coldpenguin:

Now would you weigh that before shipping?

[20:40:29]

wagnerrp:

no... youve got to go all out

[20:40:37]

wagnerrp:

http://xkcd.com/325/

[20:40:44]

** coldpenguin thinks that is a lot of poo **

[20:42:29]

gbee:

"It is impossible to configure mythtv to use xmltv grabbers using ratpoison as a window manager"

[20:42:38]

gbee:

so ... don't use ratpoison?

[20:42:39]

** kormoc blinks **

[20:42:53]

wagnerrp:

why cant you use ratpoison?

[20:43:14]

gbee:

yet again a fine example of the "Doctor my elbow hurts when I do this" style of bug report

[20:43:25]

sphery:

Hmmm... Either pastebin.ca is down or Canada's gone.

[20:43:58]

wagnerrp:

well meshe is still around

[20:44:03]

sphery:

wagnerrp: think he means, "Since I need to run mythfilldatabase --manual in a separate terminal window."

[20:44:04]

gbee:

GreyFoxx, meshe: are you there? Speak to us!

[20:44:28]

Dagmar:

"Resolution: User is an idiot. Ratpoison+MythTV work fine"

[20:44:34]

sphery:

well, I'm convinced... Canada sunk into the ocean

[20:45:32]

gbee:

close it anyway, not going to change for 0.22 and 0.23 will support apiconfig so no switching to a terminal

[20:46:10]

simcop2387:

anyone know if there's a good way (other than talking directly to the database) to get a list of recordings from mythtv?

[20:46:18]

sphery:

oh, yeah, I wasn't suggesting you don't close it--I'm sure he can use RatPoison and just switch windows (does it do Alt-Tab or similar)?

[20:46:25]

wagnerrp:

if youre switching to any new terminal to do that

[20:46:35]

** simcop2387 is getting ready to add support for mythtv recordings to his internal tv station **

[20:46:36]

wagnerrp:

why couldnt you just switch to a framebuffer terminal

[20:46:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

simcop2387: mythweb's "Recorded Programs" page?

[20:46:43]

sphery:

simcop2387: myth_recent_recordings.pl

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wagnerrp:

ctrl-alt-f2 or something

[20:46:51]

simcop2387:

sphery: ooo perfect, in perl too!

[20:46:57]

gbee:

simcop2387: ask politely

[20:47:11]

simcop2387:

gbee: this wasn't politely?

[20:47:17]

sphery:

simcop2387: /usr/local/bin/myth_recent_recordings.pl --recordings=-1 --hours=24 --heading '<h3>Shows Recorded Today</h3>'

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gbee:

simcop2387: j/k backfired, I meant ask mythbackend ...

[20:47:43]

sphery:

simcop2387: oh, wait, put --plain_text in there, too, if doing from the command line

[20:47:52]

** gbee moves to sit in the corner **

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wagnerrp:

simcop2387: if you want a bit more control, both the perl and python bindings should be set up to use mythprotocol to pull a list of recordings

[20:48:13]

sphery:

gbee: once you explained it, the joke was funny

[20:48:31]

sphery:

what do they say about jokes you have to explain... hmmm.

[20:49:00]

** J-e-f-f-A got it without you explaining, gbee... ;-) **

[20:49:10]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm pretty sure that--unless he plans to manipulate them programmatically--the script gives all the control he needs

[20:49:20]

gbee:

sphery: what more do you want? I'm in the corner already!

[20:49:31]

sphery:

even allows specifying custom formats (using all the same things that mythrename.pl uses plus \n for line feed)

[20:50:23]

gbee:

my dream of a career as a stand-up comedian is in tatters, guess I'll have to find another way to pay the bills

[20:51:19]

sphery:

simcop2387: oh, and there's the related script, myth_upcoming_recordings.pl --plain_text --no_show_scheduled --recordings=-1

[20:51:26]

sphery:

that, specifically, giving a list of all conflicts

[20:51:35]

sphery:

but, for both, see --help

[20:55:07]

simcop2387:

gbee: ah ok :)

[20:55:44]

simcop2387:

sphery: i plan on stealing the code from myth_recent_recordings so that i can grab shows of a specific name easily for the internal schedule

[20:56:09]

sphery:

internal schedule?

[20:56:43]

** iamlindoro worries this is turning DVR'd recordings (good) into internal live TV (BAD) **

[20:56:50]

sphery:

yeah, you'll find that it's only about 10 lines of code that are interesting in there... almost all the rest is for formatting/options

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sphery:

to figure out what's currently recording, you can use: myth_upcoming_recordings.pl --plain_text --seconds 1 (and to get filename, give it --text_format '%c_%Y%m%d%H%i%s.mpg\n'

[20:59:11]

sphery:

but I hope it's not a LiveTV thing...

[20:59:32]

sphery:

I really wish LiveTV would die, already.

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simcop2387:

sphery: why do you want livetv to die already

[21:02:57]

simcop2387:

i use it out in my garage all the time and in my bedroom

[21:03:29]

gbee:

why watch tv live when you record it?

[21:03:43]

sphery:

Well, the best reason for having a PVR is to watch things on your schedule, with the ability to pause (when you want to answer a question on IRC), or rewind to catch that part you just missed, or skip commercials, or fast forward through boring parts.

[21:03:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

... and watch it without commercials?

[21:03:51]

sphery:

and, with LiveTV, you can't do that

[21:04:10]

simcop2387:

sphery: yes you can i do that all the time with livetv in yth

[21:04:25]

simcop2387:

though skipping commercials can only be done if you've paused before

[21:04:52]

sphery:

well, the watch on your schedule, you can't do--unless your schedule /always/ makes it possible to watch shows within 1 day (or 7 if you max'ed out the LiveTV expiration)

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[21:05:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

LiveTV is so like... 90's !!!

[21:05:25]

sphery:

and, like you said, you have to start LiveTV, then pause it--and not let anyone watch anything else while you're away--for 1/3 of the program before you can skip commercials

[21:05:40]

simcop2387:

sphery: thats why i do a mix of things, i use livetv to watch things in other rooms (running network cable is easier/faster than running another dish cable and then getting another box, tv, and paying more)

[21:05:46]

sphery:

LiveTV should be called UndeadTV... It just won't die.

[21:06:07]

simcop2387:

and for things i want to watch later i make sure to have it record them

[21:06:09]

** sphery gets back to watching John Carpenter's Vampires (which he recorded and is now watching on his own schedule) **

[21:06:14]

iamlindoro:

Except you're the zombie if you watch it

[21:06:36]

iamlindoro:

you are so bored/easily impressed that you will stare at what they put in front of you at that moment

[21:07:03]

simcop2387:

i mostly use it to go watch family guy reruns and other shows i don't care to record

[21:07:25]

sphery:

IMHO, there's /nothing/ that should ever be watched as LiveTV. Full details: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302

[21:07:31]

iamlindoro:

You're not recording them on stone tablets, set up a rule to record them and keep 5 at a time

[21:07:41]

** CoreDump|cf-18 uses livetv as "white noise" **

[21:07:48]

sphery:

just make sure you /also/ mark record new and delete old ;)

[21:07:52]

simcop2387:

sphery: you seem to have a very misguided idea about how i'm using livetv

[21:08:23]

sphery:

CoreDump|cf-18: why not just start a playlist of recordings?

[21:09:32]

CoreDump|cf-18:

that's work, too, but why bother.

[21:09:47]

iamlindoro:

because then the white noise is all stuff you enjoy :)

[21:09:59]

sphery:

and, then you can even say, "I don't really care to pay full attention to the stupid news shows on this stupid news channel, but I like to listen to it while I cook dinner, so I'll just have it record the least stupid shows they air throughout the day. Then, when I want that background noise, I'll just tell it to play all the recoridngs in the 'Not LiveTV, but background noise" recording group."

[21:10:47]

sphery:

Really, the only work involved is trying to find some shows on the news channel that fit that "least stupid show" criterion.

[21:11:08]

simcop2387:

CoreDump|cf-18: i'm with you

[21:11:15]

sphery:

Or, if you just want background noise, you can even do: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp

[21:11:17]

CoreDump|cf-18:

sphery: I understand what you are talking about. My point is, that just starting LiveTV is less work. And I'm lazy =)

[21:12:29]

CoreDump|cf-18:

and the entire point of my white noise is, that it has to be something I do not care about. Otherwise I'd start actively watching and stop whatever else I was doing

[21:12:32]

simcop2387:

CoreDump|cf-18: i'll tend to leave say CNN on during the day when i'm doing something and if something does happen, rewind

[21:13:35]

** J-e-f-f-A doesn't even watch the news 99% of the time... ;-) **

[21:13:39]

CoreDump|cf-18:

simcop2387: I usually pic a station that runs some vaguely interesting documentaries and let it run =)

[21:13:40]

orogor:

if i have 3 differnent xmltv grabbers for 3 tv,dvb-t, 3 iptv how do i confugure that ?

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simcop2387:

CoreDump|cf-18: i don't get most of those channels :(

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Dagmar:

orogor: Correctly

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orogor:

i make a cron job and try to insert that to a single source?

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CoreDump|cf-18:

simcop2387: yeah me, too. Only the free ones =)

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Dagmar:

You've given us no information about how those relate to each other.

[21:14:44]

Dagmar:

...which doesn't matter because you need to give MythTV that information, not us.

[21:15:49]

orogor:

Dagmar, do i need different source if i insert data via a cron job ?

[21:16:14]

Dagmar:

Do you need a different source if you prefer wheat bread over pumpernickle?

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Dagmar:

Don't screw around with cron

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simcop2387:

Dagmar: yes

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gbee:

simcop2387: that's worse than my dad, he's addicted to 24/7 news, member of News24A

[21:16:52]

simcop2387:

gbee: i just leave it on because there's no reality tv shows on cnn

[21:17:03]

Dagmar:

Tell myth about _each_ of your inputs, and each of your listing sources. Your listing sources in theory will have a 1:1 relationship with your inputs.

[21:17:04]

CoreDump|cf-18:

hehe

[21:17:12]

** orogor doesn tknow waht pumpernickle is **

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Dagmar:

Google it

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gbee:

personally I don't see that it matters when something happens, if I read about it a week, two weeks later how it's all the same

[21:17:54]

gbee:

s/how//

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simcop2387:

gbee: but i don't like being out of the loop when micheal comes back from the dead

[21:20:15]

Dagmar:

He's not coming back

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jduggan:

they lost his nose

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simcop2387:

he will when i perfect my zombie drugs!

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gbee:

simcop2387: I think you need to get into recovery, let me send you a pamphlet on Newsaholics Anonymous, they are bound to have local meetings you can attend ;0

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sphery:

gbee: and, if you watch as it unfolds, you get a bunch of wasted time listening to them telling bad/wrong information. If you watch a recap later, you get the to-the-point information

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Dagmar:

Not necessarily

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sphery:

sure, you get the information that "they" allowed the news station to release, but... :)

[21:22:02]

Dagmar:

Sometimes you get the _actual_ information before censors have had a go at it

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Dagmar:

You know, like when some planes have just flown into some skyscrapers and a standing order goes out for all planes to be grounded immediately, and any plane which is off course and/or unresponsive to queries be shot down by the Air Force

[21:23:14]

Dagmar:

...which three days later no one is willing to talk about anymore.

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gbee:

sphery: heh yeah, 10 hours of speculation, innaccuracies, a 20 second video clip on infinite repeat, that evening the entire event gets condensed down into a simple two minute report telling you everything you actually needed to know

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Dagmar:

...because that's what went out from CNN on 9/11 while things were going on.

[21:24:41]

sphery:

Yeah, that's my opinion, too

[21:24:50]

Dagmar:

...and they confirmed it and named the official who confirmed it.

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sphery:

I'll catch the recap

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Dagmar:

You will also occasionally catch tidbits like Bush laughingly saying that "It's not a crime to lie to the American people"

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sphery:

those tidbits make the Internet pretty quick, too

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Dagmar:

...and then him waxing eloquent of how little he thought of whether or not it mattered if he lied to anyone.

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gbee:

Dagmar: funny, but over here that was still part of the news coverage days later – I was stuck on a Scottish island without TV on 11/9, only saw news coverage a few days later

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Dagmar:

sphery: Strange that I saw these things first hand but they don't seem to really get that much airplay after the fact

[21:26:44]

Dagmar:

...as if not only are they yanked from rotation but a gag order is put on them as well

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Dagmar:

gbee: Which part was still part of the news coverage?

[21:27:16]

gbee:

eww, so it's still the land of the free? Really?

[21:27:26]

gbee:

Dagmar: the shoot-down order

[21:27:38]

Dagmar:

Amazing

[21:27:51]

Dagmar:

Because they absolutely refuse to admit to it here now

[21:28:12]

Dagmar:

...even in light of the fact that there's no explanation for how the debris was spread over many square miles

[21:28:38]

Dagmar:

Like, by that evening the word had clearly gone out that that order was supposed to be kept quiet

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Dagmar:

The dishonesty of putting forth an order like that (which I agree with) and then making up some bullshit and pretending it WASN'T shot down has always pissed me off

[21:34:24]

Dagmar:

..but yeah, this is why I now make sure my Myth box always has enough space to record for two days non-stop if need be.

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iamlindoro:

Holuhcrap, Robot chicken back today, yay

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, you see Steam got a boatload of old sierra adventures?

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: can't let LucasArts have all the eyeballs now can they.

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, aye! I bought the KQ and SQ packs :)

[22:21:55]

iamlindoro:

Nice

[22:22:18]

iamlindoro:

I'm waiting for ScummVM's SCI support to get up to snuff so I can use what I already own, but I may buy a pack to support the idea behind them

[22:22:58]

kormoc:

looks like they're all dosbox images, so should work in linux :)

[22:23:25]

kormoc:

I really hope that steam just gets every game ever... someday...

[22:23:49]

wagnerrp:

wouldnt that be an expensive prospect for you?

[22:23:57]

kormoc:

yeah, well...

[22:26:56]

** iamlindoro ponders adding mythvideo-style views to mythgame **

[22:28:37]

iamlindoro:

Thinking a cover view would be much more enjoyable for me than list view

[22:35:45]

iamlindoro:

gbee, What are my odds of convincing you to do crossfading between images (ie fanart) on a themer set timer for .22?

[22:35:58]

sphery:

gbee: re: #6766 (RatPoison/mythtv-setup--I finally read it), TTBOMK, that's now how X input works. The WM captures /all/ keystrokes and handles them if configured in the WM or passes them on if not.

[22:36:11]

AndyCap:

yeah, so steam can do a repeat of amazon's kindle? sure.

[22:36:20]

sphery:

So AFAIUI, it's impossible for an app to capture a key combo meant for the WM

[22:37:07]

sphery:

since the app only gets keys if the WM didn't handle them already

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AndyCap:

btw. is there anyway to have lircd open /dev/input/event devices in exclusive mode?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I think "Hanging Video Files" is right up your alley.

[22:39:22]

sphery:

that is, the dark alley you don't want to have to walk down

[22:39:38]

iamlindoro:

sphery, "No, they don't, and your diagnostic skills are embarrassing" would probably be poorly received.

[22:40:01]

sphery:

Well, I was thinking about what probably /is/ causing the problems.

[22:40:29]

iamlindoro:

I suppose I could do "I'm running current trunk and have a hundred or so VC-1 movies and they work great"

[22:40:39]

sphery:

that could work

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** iamlindoro fires up "The Dark Knight" for kicks **

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iamlindoro:

Yep, there's Bale-y

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blackest_knight:

is this working ?

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kormoc:

blackest_knight, if by 'this' you mean can we see your message, then yes

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iamlindoro:

aaaaand goodbye

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sphery:

OK, so Myth needs a Find and record 2 of each episode at any time on any channel

[22:46:14]

** kormoc blinks **

[22:46:18]

sphery:

for Lost

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kormoc:

another -user jem?

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sphery:

get the first airing (just in case) and then get the pop-up video style one for those of us too slow to catch the little details

[22:47:41]

kormoc:

hehe

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sphery:

So, I could do that by just setting re-record on each episode after it records the first

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sphery:

trying to think a fancy (automatic) trick, though

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kormoc:

ah, heh

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sphery:

thinking a custom-record rule with no dup checking that only matches episodes whose original airdate is within 2 weeks (or 4 for good measure?) of the starttime

[22:51:05]

sphery:

then have a normal Any/All rule with normal dup checking for the first airing

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sphery:

Too bad I figured this out on the final season

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iamlindoro:

Could also ask TMS to notate it as a new recording with a custom subtitle

[22:51:38]

iamlindoro:

Worth asking, at least

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sphery:

true

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iamlindoro:

ie Lost: Live Together, Die Alone (Enhanced)

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sphery:

my only complaint about these episodes is that they have the stuff at the bottom the whole time... real pop-ups would be easier to spot when you're actually watching the show

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iamlindoro:

Or just buy the blu ray and get both editions :)

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sphery:

heh, but I hear that VC-1 makes ffmpeg crash

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iamlindoro:

My extra favorite part is that if it *were* an ffmpeg issue, it's totally the wrong project to ask about fixing it

[22:58:48]

sphery:

true

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** kormoc submits a news article to slashdot claiming mythtv says VC-1 support in ffmpeg is broken and will never be fixed **

[22:59:15]

sphery:

one day that kormoc is gonna end up in someone's garage

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Sorry, that one got discarded in favor of one that says Myth .22 will be out tomorrow

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** kormoc laughs **

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sphery:

How to upload even a short HD recording on a bug tracker that has a 200K upload limit?

[23:00:45]

sphery:

That's kind of the point...

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solexious|netbk:

Is there a script to add dvd's from amazon searching by upc's?

[23:13:49]

iamlindoro:

no

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solexious|netbk:

Ok

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solexious|netbk:

I'm searching the wiki for how to add dvd's to the mythtv db so I can code a script, if any one has a link handy... :)

[23:16:45]

gbee:

damn, just lost a recording to a temporary disk flake

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sphery:

solexious|netbk: we used to have a script that would get covers for videos from amazon, but all the code that hit amazon was removed because it was a breech of their Terms of Service

[23:18:13]

gbee:

not that missing Nick Cage blowing up the bad guys is really going to ruin my day

[23:18:47]

sphery:

solexious|netbk: so, if you make something for scanning barcodes for music/videos/whatever and downloading metadata, best to find a different source

[23:19:17]

sphery:

and, TTBOMK, that includes using the Amazon API

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solexious|netbk:

sphery, thats a shame, its the only site so far to get 100% of a sample of my collection

[23:19:39]

sphery:

(something in the API's ToS isn't compatible with GPL or something)

[23:20:06]

sphery:

if you ask on the list, you can probably get an answer from someone more knowledgeable than I

[23:20:15]

solexious|netbk:

thanks

[23:20:22]

gbee:

like such an individual exists

[23:20:22]

sphery:

or, if you're around when And uin is here talking, he might have more

[23:20:56]

sphery:

gbee: thanks for the totally undeserved compliment :)

[23:23:25]

solexious|netbk:

all this is pre having the hardware for a myth box, annoying to code the script "blind"

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sphery:

solexious|netbk: last time I mentioned that, And uin said, "sphery: the AWS terms of use define images as a "property" and have restrictions we can't comply with reasonably"

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AndyCap:

haha, this sounds legit https://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/misc/Bi . . . estId=200914

[23:25:38]

gbee:

sphery: I'm convinced that you are the first AI to pass the Turing test, software designed to gather and organise all the worlds knowledge to be produced instantly when a question is asked

[23:26:05]

solexious|netbk:

Hummm, I will take your word for it, wonder how amarok album art downloader gets around it *if infact they do*

[23:26:28]

sphery:

solexious|netbk: I think the /if/ there is the key

[23:27:22]

sphery:

solexious|netbk: one thing you might be able to do, however, is convince the maintainers of themoviedb.org and/or thetvdb.com to add a field for DVD UPC codes...

[23:27:45]

sphery:

gbee: and how does that make you feel?

[23:27:51]

gbee:

iirc the Amazon TOS prevent you caching or storing their data, e.g. you can't save the images or store retrieved information in a database

[23:28:00]

gbee:

sphery: ;)

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** awalls has Eliza flashbacks **

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sphery:

yeah, that sounds right

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sphery:

I vote for getting it into tmdb...

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sphery:

gbee: how would be the best way to contact/suggest that? Forum? Probably not bug database, right?

[23:29:02]

AndyCap:

you'd have to have some concept of media release then since there's no 1:1 relation between movie and disc. :(

[23:29:20]

sphery:

I'd be happy to put all my (1) DVD movie in there (and any I happen to rent from redbox :)

[23:30:10]

solexious|netbk:

the website colectorz seems to do this, but about 2 of the 20 I scanned were in the db

[23:30:11]

sphery:

AndyCap: yeah, but IIRC, they have "alternate titles" and could easily have multiple UPC's per movie

[23:30:56]

sphery:

AndyCap: heh, I'm pretty sure that's a direct violation of the AWS ToS

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gbee:

sphery: Travis has asked for feature requests to go into the lighthouse ticket system before now

[23:31:42]

sphery:

hmmm... OK.

[23:31:55]

sphery:

solexious|netbk: if you want to suggest it: http://meticulo.lighthouseapp.com/

[23:32:03]

sphery:

that would be themoviedb.org

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gbee:

the amazon restriction is the same term that most of these sites use, you can search and retrieve using their API but only to display to the user at that moment – in fact their APIs are generally aimed at affiliate sellers for use on _websites_ e.g. site with book reviews has a picture of cover which links through to Amazon so you can purchase

[23:32:21]

solexious|netbk:

okie dokie

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sphery:

I have to say that I was adding all the info for a movie into tmdb while I was watching it and it was /very/ painful (because of the whole look-up-each-person and submit-one-at-a-time thing)

[23:33:01]

sphery:

took forever

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sphery:

But I did a /very/ complete page for that movie.

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solexious|netbk:

Well... if I get the movie title from amazon from the upc, then search and pull in data from tmd...

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sphery:

Here's the ToS: http://aws.amazon.com/agreement/

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gbee:

sphery: aye, though it means that everything is properly cross referenced, there may be a better UI but I've yet to see it when I've had to deal with the same problem in the past

[23:34:40]

sphery:

yeah, it's a tough problem

[23:34:47]

Dibblah:

Wow. Mr Barberio's mail user agent is badly broken.

[23:34:50]

sphery:

Also, I couldn't figure out how to create a new job

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Dibblah:

"ps, there was no threat to fork the code. No one is talking about forking code. "

[23:36:40]

iamlindoro:

except for the direct reference to a forked project :)

[23:36:40]

Dibblah:

... Apart from the mention of another project that forked, no. No threat at all.

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solexious|netbk:

brain hurts from reading it

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sphery:

so the Costume Designer (Salvador Perez) is listed as a Co-Costume Designer, but there's no co(hort)

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sphery:

solexious|netbk: if you mean from reading the AWS agreement, I agree...

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sphery:

I can't figure it out

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solexious|netbk:

I wonder if I just pull the title of the page, and therefore get the movie title, then search tmd with that info if that counts as being covered by the aws agreement

[23:40:05]

sphery:

no idea

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sphery:

if you're wanting to add it to myth proper, I'd suggest asking on the list (where you might even get alternative approaches)

[23:40:50]

sphery:

if you're doing it for yourself only, I'll leave it up to you (and your lawyer ;)

[23:41:12]

solexious|netbk:

to hell with it, i'm going to any way, if they get iffy with it... *insert foolhardy battle cry!*

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gbee:

fwiw, we looked at the TOS some time ago, it's subject to change and the clauses which caused us problems may not even be there now (or others have been added)

[23:42:06]

solexious|netbk:

So, that leads me to, is there a script to add dvd's to the mythtv db from tmd?

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gbee:

wonder how their pub/private key stuff is used, there wouldn't be much point in a private key unless it was used to validate the client, all the while you've got to keep the private key secret in an OSS application or violate the agreement

[23:45:31]

sphery:

solexious|netbk: in MythVideo, you scan for files, it finds them, then you run tmdb.pl to look them up/import metadata

[23:45:45]

gbee:

unless you make each user register for their own keys

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sphery:

solexious|netbk: but no way to get them into Watch Recordings, really (without hacks)

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** iamlindoro notes that if the TV handling patch gets committed sometime soon, it adds a shortcut for metadata download that makes it lightning fast **

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sphery:

but still getting the DVD into the TV going to be a hack

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sphery:

Oh, you meant TV DVD's in MythVideo

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sphery:

yeah, that would be good

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iamlindoro:

no, I mean handling all metadata

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iamlindoro:

Having the keybinding for metadata download speeds it up immeasurably by avoiding menu browsing each and every time

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sphery:

but you didn't mean a way to get videos into Watch Recordings (recorded table), did you?

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iamlindoro:

no

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sphery:

though your patches go the other way, from recordings to mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

this is not that patch, this is the "subtitle/season/episode" patch

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sphery:

ok, I'm all caught up now... sorry for the confusion

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** solexious|netbk is confused **

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solexious|netbk:

Does mythtv make a distinction between dvd's and tv epps et all

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sphery:

solexious|netbk: Myth makes a distinction between video it records and "everything else"

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sphery:

i.e. if Myth didn't record it, it's MythVideo

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sphery:

if Myth recorded it, it MythTV (in Watch Recordings)

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Dagmar:

Their data repositories are conceptually entirely separate

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sphery:

and have different info (as things like starttime/endtime (as date/time values) don't make a lot of sense for movies or random internet video, like from YouTube, or home movies or ...

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