Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, July 25th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-94JhLEiN0

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iamlindoro:

Heh, awesome

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J-e-f-f-A:

crankharder: I think Greyfoxx is right — I have an entry for VIDEO_TS for mplayer of: mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -dvd-device %s dvd://1

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Some folks I know had a vow renewal a couple of years ago, and their 'exit' song was "Another One Bites The Dust!" ;-)

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, But did they have the sweet dance number? ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe... no.. .-)

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iamlindoro:

I love when they're all together at the end

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iamlindoro:

kick ass

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, it was choreographed quite well... ;-) [is that spelled right? hehehe]

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iamlindoro:

yep

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wagnerrp:

pack of two samsung 1.5TB drives on newegg for $200, if anyone is interested

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nighthawk:

does anyone happen to know how to config xorg to let any user connect?

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wagnerrp:

as in allow remote connections?

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nighthawk:

no, local users

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nighthawk:

for example, x runs as mythtv, but I want to launch mplayer as user nhawk

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wagnerrp:

you can do the proper way, of copying around the ~/.Xauthority files, or you can do the cheap and easy way to 'xhost +localhost'

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nighthawk:

cheap way for the win :-)

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wagnerrp:

understand that effectively turns off authentication

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nighthawk:

I'm playing around with setting up myth at boot, so curious what options are available

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wagnerrp:

although if you have to worry about users with access to that machine messing with you, i suppose you have more important issues to deal with

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krisb:

has anyone here used Room EQ wizard by any chance?

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nighthawk:

exactly, it is essentially a single user machine

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GreyFoxx:

nighthawk: Why not run X and mplayer as the same user ?

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nighthawk:

to be honest, in trying to find out how to let another user connect, I forgot my original intention

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wagnerrp:

yeah, what do you need to run mplayer as a different user for?... what do you need to run mplayer for?

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nighthawk:

well, that was an example

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krisb:

he doesn't want to store his porn as user mythtv :p

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nighthawk:

haha, brilliant

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krisb:

ah well, atleast I got Room RQ Wizard working

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krisb:

too bad I can't really calibrate the sub at 75dB at 3am :|

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nighthawk:

isn't low freq direction hard to identify? blame it on someone else!

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krisb:

haha

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AndyCap:

Ooh, a new frontend. With scart output. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 310139989784

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J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: Just throw an nvidia card in that cartridge slot, and you're all set. ;-)

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krisb:

yeah, it even has a RS232 for yor homebrew IR receiver

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krisb:

awesome

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krisb:

your*

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krisb:

need to clean the keyboard soon, apparently

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** kormoc wonders why people still homebrew ir receivers **

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krisb:

dunno

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nighthawk:

they are cheaper

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krisb:

I have a mceusb2 one

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krisb:

that came with my laptop

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kormoc:

not that much cheaper

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nighthawk:

10$

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** J-e-f-f-A has a drawer of two full of electronic parts... ;-) **

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krisb:

I wonder if I can get the HID consumer IR type receiver in the laptop to work with lirc

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nighthawk:

I need to rip out the crap receiver in my antec fusion and replace it

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krisb:

instead of the external USB one

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kormoc:

nighthawk, vs $20 for a usb one, it's not /that/ much more

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J-e-f-f-A:

nighthawk: crap receiver in antec fusion? Mine seems to work fine.... ;-)

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nighthawk:

I have a fusion black with imon lcd, it only reads MCE remote signals :-(

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AndyCap:

Hmm, my miniitx board has some header for CIR send and receive, dunno where to find the hardware though.

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J-e-f-f-A:

nighthawk: Well, that's not *entrirely* true – it only reads RC6 codes... ;-)

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nighthawk:

kormoc: where was this 20$ receiver when I was shopping around a month ago :-P

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kormoc:

nighthawk, you didn't look very hard?

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nighthawk:

you sure? I read MCE only on this model

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AndyCap:

then again, if I buy a new tv I can switch to all rs-232 control.

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nighthawk:

kormoc: apparently not, what model you have?

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kormoc:

It's not the model I have, but http://www.directron.com/hair01sv.html?gsear=1

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J-e-f-f-A:

nighthawk: if you have lirc up and running on the box, type "mode2" and push some buttons on the remote you want to use. If you see output, I'd wager you can learn the remote...

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nighthawk:

does that read all rc5 or raw?

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kormoc:

wouldn't know

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nighthawk:

jeffa: not on the particular model I have, I spent a lot of time on it

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krisb:

yeah I will go RS232 only as soon as I get around to sourcing a 8-pin mini-DIN plug for the projector

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krisb:

couldn't just put a standard 9-pin DSUB on it? nooooo

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nighthawk:

krisb: if mouser.com doesnt have it, it doesn't exist

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krisb:

yeah I actually just need to get around to ordering it

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krisb:

haven't looked through my cables yet, I might be able to modify a 9-pin mini-DIN plug

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krisb:

but its not like theres no space for a D-SUB connector, so it annoys me that I have to make my own cable

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J-e-f-f-A:

krisb: You don't have to make your own cable – I'm sure they have one for sale for $50! ;-)

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krisb:

yeah probably

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krisb:

:p

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nighthawk:

also check monoprice.com, they have premade everything and cheap

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krisb:

shipping to norway is probably the dealbreaker though

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nighthawk:

they are one of the best av accessory vendors in history, so who knows...

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nighthawk:

they might pay you to ship it

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AndyCap:

hdmi might be worth getting from monoprice Cat5 probably not

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AndyCap:

anything light and expensive is probably better. :P

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krisb:

everything is cheaper than here

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AndyCap:

unless you need to spruce up the living room with stuff http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2 you can't find in your shop. (Or don't want to ask for)

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krisb:

haha

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krisb:

I gotta buy that as a gift

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krisb:

$2.55 for 25 ft? thats like.. free

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AndyCap:

2.25 for cable, 28.75 for shipping. so I'd say i's about the same as getting it locally.

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krisb:

yeah costs about $20-$25 for a 10m one locally

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krisb:

converted to USD

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats even cheaper than you can normally buy bulk

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Supertimmy:

Hi All. I have been reading trying to find a PCI DVB-T tuner which gives me the same quality and my Pioneer 509A TV. I don't have great reception but the TV manages to give me a good pciture. My DViCO Dual Digital 4 was not even watchable. I have looked around but no one seems to have an answer?

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wagnerrp:

get a bigger antenna?

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jams:

exit

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jams:

oops, wrong window

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wagnerrp:

you can never escape...!

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krisb:

su -

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krisb:

iamgod

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krisb:

oops :p

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jams:

heh i should make my password "exit" people would never guess that one

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krisb:

maybe not people, but john the ripper would get that in about 1 second :p

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krisb:

wouldn't take too long remotely either

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orogor:

eww, cpu for recording is actually null

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orogor:

is there a way to push it a bit , either make a first pass encode while recording, starting to flag commercials, or record in better quality ?

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kormoc:

what are you recording from?

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iamlindoro:

clearly it was rhetorical :)

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Dagmar:

I suspect it would be difficult to record a compressed stream without encoding it

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orogor:

kormoc, iptv

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orogor:

so it s mpeg2 i guess

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iamlindoro:

They no, you cannot start a transcode during recordings, yes, you can start flagging commercials, and no, you have no control whatsoever over the quality it's recorded at

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iamlindoro:

er Then no

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orogor:

thanks

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orogor:

time to sleep

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sphery:

why--when a movie has a trademarked logo in it, like a Coca Cola can or a Virgin Records logo on the side of a van--do some networks blur it

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sphery:

seems really strange to me

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen that

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sphery:

really?

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sphery:

maybe it's only my local stations

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iamlindoro:

I also have seen that

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iamlindoro:

especially reality style programming

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Nafai:

iamlindoro: They have to clear the appearance of those things with the brand holder. If they don't make those agreements, they have to blur them.

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sphery:

in reality programming it makes more sense--as they might get in trouble for it if they don't have permission

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Nafai:

iamlindoro: Which I don't understand, you'd like Coke (for example) would like the free advertising

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Nafai:

you'd think, that is

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iamlindoro:

Nafai, I didn't ask

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iamlindoro:

:)

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Nafai:

Oh

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Nafai:

sphery: ^

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Nafai:

Sorry, tired :)

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sphery:

but when a movie was released with the logo prominently displayed--and the company probably paid to put it there--it's weird that they would just choose to blur it for re-broadcast

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wagnerrp:

they didnt pay the broadcast company did they?

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sphery:

no

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sphery:

but it seems a lot of work for the re-broadcaster to do just to prevent giving away a bit of free advertising

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, the broadcasting company has gone to the dark side, and has an exclusive deal with pepsi

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sphery:

that could be

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wagnerrp:

erm... pisswater

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wagnerrp:

i apologize, i slipped up there

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sphery:

or the other record store... wait, Virgin was the only one--until they closed down all their stores :)

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wagnerrp:

bad rats? honestly... where do you find these games?

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** iamlindoro is confused? **

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iamlindoro:

who said bad rats?

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** wagnerrp pokes kormoc's infinite steam collection **

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kormoc:

Heh, I subscribe to the steam new game notification stream

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sphery:

I used to have games to play... Then I got RRoD #2 and now MS is punishing me for selecting "Label Ship" instead of "Label Print" (still haven't received the shipping label).

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wagnerrp:

so a new trailer for Tron made it's way onto the internet

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wagnerrp:

i dont really understand the hype around tron...

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wagnerrp:

i mean its one of those movies i vaguely remember seeing as a child, and thinking it was a good movie back then

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wagnerrp:

but i watch it now, and it doesnt come close to expectations

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sphery:

if it's good enough for Chuck...

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wagnerrp:

but hey, the next one has Thirteen

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iamlindoro:

Tron is awesome

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sphery:

thirteen?

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wagnerrp:

yes, thirteen

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sphery:

I wish someone would google that for me (cause a normal google gives me a lot of stuff that doesn't relate to tron)

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wagnerrp:

well what does it give you stuff relating to?

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kormoc:

what are you even talking about?

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kormoc:

thirteen floors?

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kormoc:

thirteen trons?

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sphery:

some guy from House?

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sphery:

took a query: thirteen tron -13

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kormoc:

%s/guy/hawt gal/

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wagnerrp:

ok... yeah, nothing on the first couple pages of results was what i was referring to

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wagnerrp:

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0041162

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sphery:

definitely an obscure reference for those of us who don't watch house

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kormoc:

ahh, cutie

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kormoc:

I watch house, but didn't put it together

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wagnerrp:

so is jeff bridges supposed to be the master control program?

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iamlindoro:

Jeff Bridges was the hero of the original tron

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iamlindoro:

"The operator"

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i know

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iamlindoro:

so he's not the MCP

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wagnerrp:

but they have him looking down ominously on someone getting killed in a light-cycle fight, from his creepy mountainside room

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** iamlindoro shrugs **

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iamlindoro:

I'm going to go out on a limb and bet he's not the bad guy

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sphery:

So, tonight this aired the 1979 movie Meteor, whose description is almost identical to the bad miniseries called Meteor that just aired. I'll have to watch it to find out if the miniseries was a remake.

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wagnerrp:

looks like theres a third batman to be out in 2011

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sphery:

heh, I like how you forgot about all the other ones... I did the same.

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wagnerrp:

i didnt forget about all of them

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wagnerrp:

i did forget about the second pair

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wagnerrp:

but the tim burton ones were enjoyable

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wagnerrp:

i mean the third in this current series

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sphery:

I didn't like any of them before this series.

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sphery:

I just hope that some poor lighting technician doesn't lose his job for this new movie...

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sphery:

hmmm... director of photography, it seems

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wagnerrp:

yeah, he wasnt some lowly 'lighting technician'

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nighthawk:

damn I hate running init 6 instead of init 5

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sphery:

weird, I have some Find One rules that recorded, but are still there and a record all rule I just created for a show that premieres in a couple of weeks shows a last recorded of 2008-06–24

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wagnerrp:

WTF? the reprogramming software for my joystick is 224MB

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sphery:

wow...

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sphery:

some joystick

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wagnerrp:

i have an old version of it sitting around at 21MB

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iamlindoro:

Heh, Daft Punk doing the TR2N music

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iamlindoro:

http://robots.net/article/2889.html

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wagnerrp:

ooh... now it comes with an extra 200MB of pretty pictures of joysticks floating in clouds

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iamlindoro:

Wow, John Barberio is a dickweed

[04:22:23]

nighthawk:

grr, I can't get X to never show that damn grey mesh background, using xsetroot and xv there is still a 1–2 sec gap of grey mesh

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wagnerrp:

so have a very basic window manager

[04:23:05]

nighthawk:

I don't think that would solve it

[04:23:15]

wagnerrp:

you can find ones that sit resident with a few hundred KB of memory usage

[04:23:40]

nighthawk:

xsetroot should do it immediately

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wagnerrp:

indeed it should

[04:24:08]

nighthawk:

why wont xorg.conf take the xsetroot options

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sphery:

you should really have a window manager, anyway--after all you have multiple windows and they need managing

[04:24:55]

nighthawk:

the idea is only mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

what multiple windows would he have?

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sphery:

mythfrontend is multiple windows

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nighthawk:

I'm aiming at flawless kiosk

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nighthawk:

doesnt mythfrontend manage itself?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i thought mythfrontend was supposed to be able to run manager-less

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sphery:

no, it's not an app's job to manage windows

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sphery:

that's what a window manager is for

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nighthawk:

seems to work ok thus far

[04:25:56]

nighthawk:

mythfrontend is an anarchist

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nighthawk:

it runs michael moore and dont need no stinking management

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sphery:

like it would hurt to run RatPoison, which is basically self-configuring and takes 300kB incremental memory

[04:27:16]

sphery:

but, hey, feel free to run without

[04:27:33]

nighthawk:

if I run into issues i'll try it

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sphery:

just do /not/ ever send any messages to the list--or worse, report any bugs--saying that myth is popping up windows underneath the main menu or whatever

[04:28:03]

sphery:

because Myth isn't doing that

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sphery:

the lack of WM is

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nighthawk:

lol, I know

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nighthawk:

bug report: Sphery insisted I file this even though I didnt want to, but my windows are always opening up behind!!!

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sphery:

heh

[04:29:54]

sphery:

Anyway, in the grand scheme of things, the right WM is /extremely/ lightweight

[04:30:06]

nighthawk:

I'd like to find out where X gets that grey mesh

[04:30:29]

nighthawk:

and put a lamp cord to that sector of the harddrive

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sphery:

you're right not to run a Desktop Environment (GNOME/KDE/XFCE), but skipping the WM is a micro-optimization that causes problems and really has no benefit

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nighthawk:

either way I'm not at that point yet

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iamlindoro:

a micro-shoot-oneself-in-the-foot, then

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iamlindoro:

micro-optimization implies it's an improvement. It's not.

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I stand corrected

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wagnerrp:

nvidia you suck... not supporting UAC in your Win7 driver package

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sphery:

how does it not support UAC?

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wagnerrp:

you run it, it does some stuff, and they it tells you it cannot go any further because you are not an administrator

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

so the installer doesn't work, you mean

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nawlins:

hi room

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wagnerrp:

yes, you have to 'runas' it

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nawlins:

whenever you have a second, how do i make mythfrontend full screen?

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend is always full screen

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wagnerrp:

unless you specifically tell it not to be

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wagnerrp:

unless youre talking about some known issue with gnome, where mythtv cannot force the toolbars off screen

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nawlins:

im looking at the xfce menu on top and the background off the right side rt now, i never told it not to be

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wagnerrp:

and great... now my right screen is on my left, and my left monitor is dead

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wagnerrp:

unless you specify that you want windowed use in the appearance settings or on the command line, mythtv will run full screen

[04:49:23]

wagnerrp:

its very possible that mythtv cannot draw over your window manager

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wagnerrp:

in which case that is telling you to get a lighter window manager

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wagnerrp:

sounds like youre having the same issue as with gnome

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nawlins:

hum, if itd windowed, it wouldnt be that bad if it was centered

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wagnerrp:

again, unless you specified otherwise, mythtv will take the entire space defined by your current screen

[04:51:40]

wagnerrp:

which by definition means it will be centered

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nawlins:

i never told it not to be, ill have to look for that setting

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wagnerrp:

can it be??? i dont have to restart windows after updating video drivers??? thats amazing

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wagnerrp:

nawlins: that stuff should all be in the appearance options, under settings, setup

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wagnerrp:

in the frontend

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nawlins:

ty

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nawlins:

oh and btw is there an easy way to catch live tv on windows?

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wagnerrp:

possible.. kinda, easy... no

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wagnerrp:

you can do recordings just fine

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wagnerrp:

but the only way to do livetv is through an actual mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

and while you can get mythfrontend to compile under windows, it is not a simple nor stable prospect

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sphery:

nawlins: in Utilities/Setup|Settings|Appearance you'll find "Run the frontend in a window" and "GUI width (px)" and "GUI height (px)" and "GUI X offset" and "GUI Y offset" . Read the help text for them (bottom of screen).

[04:56:13]

sphery:

basically, set width/height to 0 for full screen

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wagnerrp:

which they should already be unless you changed them

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wagnerrp:

either there, or in the screen setup wizard

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nawlins:

thank you, im trying it now

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wagnerrp:

note that mythtv is not designed for a dynamic resolution

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wagnerrp:

if this is on a tv, you should probably find something lighter than xfce

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wagnerrp:

if this is on a desktop, you probably want to drop the resolution and make it windowed, so you can more easily use it with other apps

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nawlins:

that worked out well, i can still see the xfce bar, but its not as nearly as off, you guys are great.

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nawlins:

thanks again

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rallystile:

greetings

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rallystile:

i'm trying to find a tv tuner card, but it's not listed on the wiki. the tuner chip is NXP 18271, decoder chip is NXP 7131E

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rallystile:

can these chipsets work with mythtv

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rallystile:

:)

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rallystile:

sorry, how do i know if i'm connected here?

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dubstar_04:

yes

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rallystile:

i c u 2

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rallystile:

this is the TV tuner card I have: http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/TVCard/Pr . . . ame=GT-P6000

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rallystile:

if someone can help me assist me in getting it working, i'll add it to the wiki

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dubstar_04:

rallystile: you should find all the information you need here: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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rallystile:

thanks, yes i checked there and did a search using that model name. seems to be a little support for Gigabyte cards, but nothing in detail

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rallystile:

i'm asking the #linuxtv channel now if by chance someone there has experience with these chipsets, thank you

[06:29:23]

rallystile:

it would probably be easier to just go with a hauppagge card but i can get a little discount on Gigabyte so if I need to modify the drivers i will. ;)

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wagnerrp:

you would rather write custom drivers than spend a couple extra bucks?

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rallystile:

ha, not really

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rallystile:

what tv tuner cards are people using here?

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wagnerrp:

a pair of 150s, a 1250, and a HDHR

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rallystile:

what brand is your HD card?

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wagnerrp:

HVR1250 (hauppauge) and HDHR (silicon dust)

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rallystile:

cool

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dubstar_04:

I would stick with the supported cards if i was you...

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rallystile:

i think u guys are right

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rallystile:

anyone use avermedia cards?

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rallystile:

i live in TW and hauppauge isn't sold here

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wagnerrp:

if youre using analog, you want an IVTV card

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wagnerrp:

the hauppauge 150/500 cards are the two most common cards, but theres a whole list

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wagnerrp:

i believe there are a couple avermedia cards on that list

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wagnerrp:

check out ivtvdriver.org

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wagnerrp:

u

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rallystile:

thank you. yes i am using analog...but in Taiwan there's also this thing called MOD, that delivers digital content (some HD) over the internet. is IVTV still the preferred driver to look for in a card?

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wagnerrp:

for analog, absolutely

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wagnerrp:

you dont even want to bother with the generic v4l framegrabbers

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wagnerrp:

which leaves the ivtv cards, and a handful of rare and far more expensive options

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rallystile:

IVTV is also okay for digital capture?

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wagnerrp:

IVTV is analog only

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wagnerrp:

you can use it to capture off a digital STB, but thats as far as it goes

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rallystile:

i'm looking at the back of my digital set top box and it receives the signal via Ethernet cable from my modem/router.

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rallystile:

it has 2 ways to output S-Video and HDMI...could I capture the signal on my MythTV setup?

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wagnerrp:

svideo, yes

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wagnerrp:

HDMI, in the near future

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wagnerrp:

there is a device called a HDPVR, analog component capture box

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wagnerrp:

captures HD up to 1080i

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wagnerrp:

if your box doesnt have component, then you buy a second part, a hdfury2, HDMI (w/ HDCP) to component

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rallystile:

"doesn't have component", what does that mean?

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rallystile:

the interface i mean

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wagnerrp:

you said your STB only has svideo and hdmi

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wagnerrp:

so... it doesnt have component

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wagnerrp:

component video looks similar to composite, but it is three plugs

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rallystile:

okay, i left that out...i do have that as well as s/pdif...i just took a pic

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rallystile:

so do u capture HD from your STB?

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wagnerrp:

i dont have a STB, so no

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rallystile:

just curious, what do you do with your 150s, a 1250, and a HDHR...you must be able to record a lot of channels at once

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wagnerrp:

well the HDHR and 1250 get my local broadcast digital channels, the 150s are for analog cable

[07:04:46]

wagnerrp:

the single 1250 wasnt really enough so i got the HDHR to supplement it

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wagnerrp:

but since the HDHR is a dual tuner, and i have it set first, i rarely ever use the 1250 anymore

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wagnerrp:

personally, i consider two tuners per source to be a minimum

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rallystile:

ok, that's interesting...you say 2 tuners because one can record while the other lets you surf?

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rallystile:

btw, here's the pic of the back of my digital TV box...http://taipeitechclub.com/images/modbox.jpg

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rallystile:

sorry it's a bit blurry, phone is easier for quick upload

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wagnerrp:

i hardly ever use livetv, id rather just use the tv for surfing

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wagnerrp:

no... i just find that during times where there is one thing i want to record, there are usually two things i want to record

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wagnerrp:

i.e. during primetime

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rallystile:

amen to that

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, two tuners lets you better handle back-to-back recordings

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wagnerrp:

it lets you have some overlap, without one getting cut off

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rallystile:

so for my setup you think a dual tuner setup will work best? 1 for cable analog, and one for the HD content off the digital STB

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wagnerrp:

all personal preference

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rallystile:

yeah, maybe i'll shoot for that because the STB offers some movies, most of the other content is meh

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rallystile:

thanks for your help

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AndyCap:

Heh, google released neatx, a NX server.

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Dibblah:

Contessa: Okay, now I would recommend using an install guide.

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Dibblah:

Just installing the packages is not going to get you anywhere useful, usually.

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Contessa:

well ..I foloowed the instructions in the Arch linux wiki, but at about the third line, importing the databse, it kinda fails

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Contessa:

I will try the aur

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Dibblah:

If your database is not starting up, you need to look at the error messages it's giving.

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Contessa:

about to try again

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anykey_:

sphery: thanks for the patch :)

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Contessa:

I think I'll buy a television

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stafford:

lol

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AndyCap:

Hahaha, good thing I checked the asrock faq. Found a cheapish motherboard with 4 pci slots, which would make for an ok backend.

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AndyCap:

"We don't recommend using this kind of TV Card on VIA chipset motherboards, sorry for your inconvenice."

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sid3windr:

uh yeah

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sid3windr:

asrock is the crappest of the crappest

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sid3windr:

right above ecscrap and pcchipscrap

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sid3windr:

I don't recommend using this kind of motherboard on any system worth more than -2 eur.

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orogor:

hi here

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orogor:

i tried editing the channels via mythweb so that i get 2 different xmltv source for some channels, how much was this a bad idea?

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krisb:

that doesn't sound like its going to work.. you could add the channel twice and use a different source for each of them though

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orogor:

anyone aroudn ?

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tmkt:

yeah

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orogor:

cool

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orogor:

i got some more questions if you don t mind

[12:02:55]

tmkt:

i'll see what i can do

[12:03:25]

orogor:

i tried to specify 2 xmltv sources for some video channels, how much would that break things?

[12:03:44]

orogor:

i see 2 entrances per channel in the tv guide, but except from that ...

[12:04:29]

orogor:

commercial skuip is currently on use all availlable things, but is is blank frame + scene change much more cpu friendly ?

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tmkt:

you sure you need 2 xmltv sources? i thought i did originally but found a work around with using 2

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orogor:

90% sure, or i needot write my own grabber

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orogor:

i dont fell like starting that now

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tmkt:

i just use commercial skip, my cpu usage is never over 5% so I haven't bothered playing it

[12:05:40]

tmkt:

i ran into a grabber already

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orogor:

which settings for it ?

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tmkt:

when i was trying to get buffalo and toronto xmltv sources

[12:06:12]

tmkt:

but ended up find tha tschedules direct had them both combined under a different zip code

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tmkt:

http://mc2xml.110mb.com/

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orogor:

i am in france

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orogor:

also i have some issues with video quality playback inside mythtv

[12:08:25]

orogor:

if iplaye the video fileswith mplayer quality is better

[12:08:37]

orogor:

i fell it s dues to some resizing

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orogor:

the osd often has artefacts

[12:09:41]

orogor:

like deinterlacing stuff, it s jumpy, fuzzy, not scaleld properly

[12:10:34]

orogor:

i use a standard pc lcd screen 1680x1050

[12:11:39]

tmkt:

yeah..dunno...i'm at 1366x768 and no issues

[12:11:44]

tmkt:

your video card nvidia?

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tmkt:

i rmember my ati one being a mess

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orogor:

nvidia

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orogor:

can i take a screenshot of mythtv ? i could show you

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orogor:

let s try

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orogor:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1019/screenshot2mff.png

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orogor:

that s before the stream start , the osd quality isn t very good , but it s ok

[12:25:23]

orogor:

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7013/screenshot3mur.png

[12:25:56]

orogor:

once the streams started it gets resized badly

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orogor:

tmkt, also i spotetd somethinfg , all the transcoders seems to have the same settings

[12:28:37]

orogor:

the 2 autodetect, hi medium and low quality have the same settings

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orogor:

hymm

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orogor:

also odd, codec from livetv is h264 and codec for recorded is mpeg2

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orogor:

and the iptv is streamed in mpeg2

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at0m:

orogor: check the recording groups in mythtv-setup. i think you've got different recording profiles for live-tv and recording

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orogor:

:/

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orogor:

weirdo

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orogor:

recording profiles are all using rtjpeg, idont think thats mpeg2

[12:58:39]

AndyCap:

btw. can you take screenshots of accelerated video these days?

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AndyCap:

or are you using X11

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orogor:

me? i can take screenshot of mythtv

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orogor:

i am uysing x11, but pritn screen in gnome works

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orogor:

works for pretty much anything "these days"

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AndyCap:

no, x11 video output as opposed to Xv or XvMC

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AndyCap:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XvMC

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orogor:

haa i have nvidia so i bet all stuff go thought xvmc

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AndyCap:

...

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orogor:

AndyCap, do you have anyinsight abouyt the codec thingy? how would i do to let myttv record livetv as it is received (mpeg2) instead of trying to encode it in x264 ?

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AndyCap:

if you are actually using digital it doesn't encode anything

[13:06:24]

AndyCap:

if you're not using digital, well, then it's not received as mpeg2. :)

[13:06:27]

mkrufky:

i built myth from trunk once before, a long while back, but i'd like to built latest now to do some tests... i know it's not SUPPORTED, but it there a writeup anywhere on how to do it ?

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AndyCap:

mkrufky: I think there's something on the wiki. but I just checked it out and built it. :P

[13:07:27]

mkrufky:

that simple, eh? ok... i dont even know the checkout url

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orogor:

AndyCap, humm odd because i see frequent errors in the console about h264 related errors (or so i think), and if i look up video properties of livetv files in mplayer i see it s h264

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AndyCap:

mkrufky: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4

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mkrufky:

ok, found it

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AndyCap:

mkrufky: then I got sidetracked by stupid ugly dvb drivers.

[13:09:18]

mkrufky:

oh? which?

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AndyCap:

mantis

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mkrufky:

oh yeah... i seen u complain in #linuxtv

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mycosys:

cant be as ugly as trying to get ec168 up

[13:09:45]

mkrufky:

yeah it can be worse

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mycosys:

?

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mkrufky:

the developer of that driver doesnt seem to be interested in fixing any of the problems users report

[13:10:22]

AndyCap:

oh, and of course my other available choice had a driver, then micronas took the toys and went home.

[13:10:36]

AndyCap:

mkrufky: which one of them? :)

[13:10:37]

mkrufky:

330e?

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mkrufky:

i tend to not mention names...

[13:10:59]

mkrufky:

but there is always an author tag in the module or source code

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AndyCap:

anyhow. I got the tree with the most recent activty working after a fashion

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AndyCap:

which reminds me I should look at some other drivers to see if they're all so devoid of well, everything. :P

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mkrufky:

ur using this mantis thing for dvbc + ci i guess?

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mycosys:

least urs is working lol

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mycosys:

got ec168 drivers compiled (only source i could find) only to get symbol errors

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AndyCap:

dvb-c and open channels for now. haven't got a cam yet.

[13:12:49]

AndyCap:

oh yeah, guess what the null pointer was.

[13:13:30]

AndyCap:

intializing the CI slot without bothering to check for it being plugged in or not. Thank you.

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mkrufky:

:-P

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AndyCap:

that's what you get for putting the card in the box in a hurry

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AndyCap:

so I'm half looking for a dvb-c variant of HVR-2250

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mkrufky:

lol

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mkrufky:

ill tell u if i hear of anything... but you'll proabbly be "looking" for a while

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AndyCap:

well, I wouldn't really need the analog part though.

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AndyCap:

I could keep the PVR-500 around for that.

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mkrufky:

thats ok, analog doesnt work yet under linux on the hvr22x0 yet anyway

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AndyCap:

Haha. :)

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Dibblah:

mkrufky: Are you meaning trunk or -fixes that you're wanting to test?

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janneg:

mkrufky: I'm chasing a strange DVB tuning bug. mythtv's channel scanner tunes successfully to transport without signal, FE_GET_FRONTEND reports the "new" frequency but I get data from the previously tuned frequency

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mkrufky:

i wanna try out some upnp stuff intrunk

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Dibblah:

janneg: Card?

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mkrufky:

is there any sense in me testing fixes? that stuff goes to the distros rather quickly anyway, right?

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Dibblah:

janneg: And kernel version?

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janneg:

budget_ci with TDA10021, 2.6.30.1

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AndyCap:

* Sat Jun 13 2009 Jarod Wilson <jarod@wilsonet.com > – 0.21–20

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AndyCap:

- Update to release-0-21-fixes patches (r20697)

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mkrufky:

janneg: yeah, i agree it would be nice to know that stuff Dibblah asked ... also, does myth stop the stream and close the dvb devices before this new tune?

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AndyCap:

mkrufky: is what my package says

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AndyCap:

s/my package/the package I'm using/

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Dibblah:

mkrufky: It has been declared DVB stress weekend :)

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mkrufky:

i understand ... im going to test trunk instead because im looking for compatibility related things

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: oh? what else is wtrong?

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janneg:

mkrufky: the frontend fd is held open, not sure about the demux fd

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mkrufky:

should be ok to hold open the frontend fd, but for a test i would see if closing it and repoening changes this behavior... and check on demux too ....

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janneg:

yeah, looking for the demux now

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mkrufky:

thanks, btw, for that mythtv 5.4 "manually building mythtv" link, AndyCap

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** AndyCap goes shopping. **

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orogor:

Anduin, also would you know why all recording profiles would show the same settings?

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orogor:

is it supposed to be liek this or it s some kind of issue in my distrib settings?

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orogor:

AndyCap,

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orogor:

gra he s gone

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janneg:

mkrufky: the dvr fd should be closed

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mkrufky:

myth is using legacy dvb api or the s2 stuff?

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janneg:

legacy

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mkrufky:

maybe there is a regression from the s2 changes? did you say which dvb code ur running yet?

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janneg:

from dvb drivers from 2.6.30

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mkrufky:

do you have an alt code path where u can use the s2 instead to see if that fixes it?

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mkrufky:

for instance.......

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mkrufky:

hang on lemme look at something

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janneg:

S2 is not ready yet I could probably add a GET_PROPERTY ioctl to see if it returns something else

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mkrufky:

seems like the legacy api's wrapper to the new api might be setting the new properties but never commiting them

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mkrufky:

but if that were the case, other apps would be broken too

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janneg:

and it works generally in mythtv. I have only problems if there no signal on the new frequency

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mkrufky:

and which device is this?

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orogor:

sorry to spam about that , but is it normal all my default transcode settings are using rtjpeg and the same settings ?

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janneg:

budget_ci with tda10021

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janneg:

mkrufky: closing and reopening the frontend fd before tuning doesn't make a difference

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mkrufky:

janneg: did you try with another device?

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mkrufky:

i have never seen this issue myself and it sounds like it could be hardware dependent

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** awalls jumps in without looking too hard **

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awalls:

the mythfrontend doesn't behave well for low/no digital signal for me

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awalls:

a black unresponsive screen

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awalls:

I can change inputs, but not channels

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mkrufky:

same happens for me on bad signals

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awalls:

maybe what you are seeing is something similar

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awalls:

Does it fit janneg's problem?

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janneg:

mkrufky: I have no further DVB-C device with different hardware. I'm trying it now on the second budget_ci+tda10021 card

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mkrufky:

does the problem not happen on dvb-T ?

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janneg:

mkrufky: I still suspect a mythtv bug since I think it worked 11 days ago

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janneg:

mkrufky: never seen before

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mkrufky:

hmm wierd

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mkrufky:

awalls: i dont see how that fits janneg's problem, but if you do then maybe im missing something ?

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janneg:

hmm, my kernel build is only a little bit older, I check when I first booted it

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awalls:

mkrufky: no. I just half read the traffic before interjecting

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janneg:

gah, I can't read kernel is from june not july

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janneg:

different card doesn't make a difference

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mkrufky:

yeah but its a different card that uses the same hardware

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mkrufky:

right? tda10021 ?

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janneg:

yes, different card from different vendor but with the same hardware

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janneg:

mkrufky: FE_GET_PROPERTY returns the same frequency as FE_GET_FRONTEND

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janneg:

hmm: "DVB: TDA10021(0): _tda10021_writereg, writereg error (reg == 0x10, val == 0xb8, ret == -512)"

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janneg:

in dmesg might be related

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mkrufky:

hmm

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mkrufky:

so maybe it is related to the driver

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janneg:

hmm, I doubt it, never seen that message before and I had the same problems yesterday

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mkrufky:

oh, ok

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orogor:

GRrraaaa

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orogor:

any frenc person around with a freebox ?

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orogor:

or nto even french , just someone with a freebox ?

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solexious|netbk:

Hello all, I want to rip my dvds to full iso images, I'm planning to make a mythtv setup but not for another month. Any suggestions of ripping the isos with out using mythtv? naming conventions etc

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kormoc:

solexious|netbk, dd if=/dev/dvddrive of=/path/to/mythvideo/store/disk_name.iso

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solexious|netbk:

Pardon?

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stuarta:

that command does what you want

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solexious|netbk:

Ok, was meaning more if I should rename the dvd files to other than what the dvd is set to, and what about boxsets where dvd img names are the same?

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stuarta:

can any UK users remember if the old virgin1 on freeview occupied the same channel number as virgin1+1 does now?

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sphery:

solexious|netbk: filenames are irrelevant... Myth stores metadata in the DB so you can use any title you want in the UI. Filename is only used as a first guess of title.

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stuarta:

box_set_1_of_4.iso

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stuarta:

or something that allows you to recognise it

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solexious|netbk:

Ok, I just wanted to check as the wiki seemed to me that importing isos was a mainly automated process so I didnt want to mess it up :)

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solexious|netbk:

If I name my dvd.iso's with amazon id numbers is there an automated way to import the data?

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wombo:

not yet

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wombo:

I dont think

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kormoc:

not with amazon id numbers, no

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solexious|netbk:

brain fart, I ment imdb id's

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orogor:

hi here

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kormoc:

nope, we're switching to tmdb anyway

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solexious|netbk:

Dam, ok, Just trying to minimise the work to import them all :)

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solexious|netbk:

Is the imdb.pl script still working? As I see I can import based on movieid

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orogor:

grummble

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orogor:

recordign on a second card doesn t seems to work

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orogor:

all seems to work but the file isnt created

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orogor:

http://pastebin.com/md78196

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orogor:

thats the log

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orogor:

if i start myhttv-setup , that stops the backend , that stops the recording , right ?

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kormoc:

Notorious, it doens't stop the backend automatically

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kormoc:

*no

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tank-man:

isnt there a big warning when you start mythtv-setup that says something like "backend still running .. do you know what you are doing?"

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orogor:

well, it s either i dont start the config or i stop mythbackend

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kormoc:

what?

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orogor:

just tried, pressing cancel , doesnt allow to start it

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kormoc:

you're not making any sense

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orogor:

option 1: start myhtv-config + stop mythbackend

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orogor:

option2: dont start mythtv-config

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stoth:

orogor: recording with multiple tuner cards is working for everyone else.

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kormoc:

orogor, erm... sure... so what's the issue?

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jblack:

on ubuntu, there's an xdialog run with mythtv-setup that asks whether to shut down the backend. That may be what he's talking about, if he's running ubuntu and that's not part of the standard release

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orogor:

jblack, haaa that sit

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stoth:

correct, it asks to stop the backend on ubuntu.

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orogor:

i record via iptv, if thats an issue

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stoth:

orogor, I don't think anyone knows what your talking about. You need to explain step by step what you're trying to wo, and why it's not working.

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stoth:

s/wo/do/

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orogor:

i record via iptv with a freebox , i have 3 cards configured with one input on each card using the same program list

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orogor:

sceduling a 1h show at 17h and a onehour show at 17h30 for exemple

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stoth:

so your basically telling us that your using analog encoders to capture analog output from a stb?

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orogor:

the 17h show starts fine, the 17h30 show seems to start fine in logs and display a tuner busy , bit file is created and nothing is actually recorded

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orogor:

no , i use iptv, i stream mpg2 stuff from the net

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stoth:

ahh. No idea what you're talking about then. I only use tv capture cards.

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orogor:

stuff that ticke me , it shows cardid 4, but i have only 23 cards

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orogor:

stuff that ticke me , it shows cardid 4, but i have only 3 cards

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kormoc:

just ignore the card id

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orogor:

i know it s an id but it s still odd

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kormoc:

you've added/removed cards, tis all

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wagnerrp:

orogor: unless you have done a 'delete all cards', it will continue number sequentially

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wagnerrp:

and thats 'all cards', 'all cards on this host' doesnt do it

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sphery:

cardid is an internal number...

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sphery:

we should /really/ stop using that in the UI

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sphery:

orogor: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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wagnerrp:

if you remove those from the UI, you need a better method of seeing the record order of virtual tuners, and reordering them

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orogor:

sphery, thanks

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orogor:

do youown afreebox?

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sphery:

nope

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wagnerrp:

na, hes a US user

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wagnerrp:

i imagine there are only a handful of you (lucky) users... and one dev

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the cardinputid is the one that determines input (less precisely, but colloquially, "card") preference... The cardid is truly meaningless.

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wagnerrp:

ah, right

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sphery:

My cards are shown in backend status as 1, 2, 3, 4, though the preference of inputs is those on cards 1, 3, 4, 2

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wagnerrp:

and there currently is no place in setup to see the inputid

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wagnerrp:

order

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sphery:

probably true...

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sphery:

I'll consider it if I get around to patching that internal data out... Try to find a good way to present it.

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sphery:

unfortunately, when users do bad things like put input preferences in place, it makes it complex enough that there's no way to visually represent what will happen...

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orogor:

weirdo question somone on rc said he had 8 inputs for dvb-t is there some dvb-t card with that much input, or can you tune to any number of channel at the same time with a single card, or did he bought 8 different cards?

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sphery:

Oh, and my input preference is because cardinputid 1 is on cardid 1, cardinputid 2 is on cardid 3, cardinputid 3 is on cardid 4, and cardinputid 4 is on cardid 2

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sphery:

I.e. I don't have any broken input priorities in place

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive never manually set priorities

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wagnerrp:

anytime i want to re-order inputs, i just flush the cards out and re-bind the inputs

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sphery:

orogor: digital cards can tune a single frequency. Some places broadcast multiple "logical" channels on a single frequency (i.e. multiplex). The 8 inputs are "virtual inputs" using multirec features of myth.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yep, that's the best way... Just wish we could convince others to do that.

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orogor:

cool

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sphery:

the annoying part is when they post to the list, "Myth is broken because it didn't record <my favorite show>," and I explain that it's because they used input priorities, but then they leave it that way because they /know/ that's not what caused it and that Myth is /definitely/ broken.

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orogor:

humm after deleting everythign myhtfilldatabase --manual ask me for configuring new channel for each days

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orogor:

more clearly for tomorow i configured channel x and channel y, and when pulling the day after , it asks again for theses

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wagnerrp:

with that IPTV, do you make a new 'card' for each input? or does it just use multirec?

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orogor:

new card

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orogor:

and all the cards obviousely provides the same channels

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sidh:

greetings gentlement

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sidh:

gentlemen

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sidh:

i've received the Antec Veris receiver

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sidh:

but i'm not sure to understand all i read there : http://venky.ws/projects/imon/

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sidh:

it seems i need to recompile lirc and lcdproc

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sidh:

but as i will use knopmyth installed on a 8 GB CF card (with ide<->CF adapter), i'm not sure CF card are the best for compiling stuff

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sidh:

so i would like your advices

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wagnerrp:

CF are great for compiling on

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wagnerrp:

since youre just dealing with a bunch of small text files

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psm321:

well wouldnt it result in lots of wear?

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wagnerrp:

its all random access at low data rates

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wagnerrp:

only if its full

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sidh:

wagnerrp: so you think i can compile directly on my CF those drivers ?

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wagnerrp:

as long as that card is big enough for everything

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psm321:

i know i compiled myth on an SD card once

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wagnerrp:

compiling source takes a lot of room

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psm321:

didn't have any problems

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wagnerrp:

although a single lirc driver wont be more than a couple MB at the most

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sidh:

wagnerrp: it's a 8 GB brand new CF

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psm321:

(was on a netbook with very little free space)

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psm321:

sphery: so from the discussion above, i gather i shouldn't be usin input priorities?

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sphery:

input priorities are evil

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sphery:

if you use then, you should--at minimum--read all of section 12.6 of the HOWTO

[18:28:06]

sphery:

but really, you should read all of section 12 of the HOWTO

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sphery:

after which you'll realize that you don't want to use input priorities :)

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sphery:

What you should do is exactly what wagnerrp mentioned--use Delete all capture cards (not "on <hostname>") to remove the capture cards, then re-create the capture cards (any order), then connect inputs in the preferred order of usage

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sphery:

basically the capture cards portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

if you read section 12, you'll find out that using input priorities, you may be telling MythTV not to record some shows you want to record

[18:30:50]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html (or at least http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6 )

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solexious|netbk:

Has any one tried making a script to pull dvd info from the borders website? I ask as you can search by upc

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solexious|netbk:

5014138291082

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solexious|netbk:

oops, dont have irs open when using a barcode scanner

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solexious|netbk:

irc*

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FR^2:

hehe

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laga:

Dogma. is it worth watching?

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solexious|netbk:

hehe, well I like it

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FR^2:

solexious|netbk: And don't point your scanner at your butt ;)

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solexious|netbk:

ha, would be worried if it read it

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FR^2:

hehe

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sidh:

wagnerrp: i notice that on my motherboard it is a 20 pin plug for power supply, but the antec veris receiver has a 24 pins plug, the 24 pin can plug in the 20 pin mother board, but i don't know if it is dangerous or not ?

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Dagmar:

Theres' a reason that last 4 pins can be snapped off the end in one piece

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nighthawk:

I thought all ATX power connectors were standard?

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nighthawk:

with a seperate plug for the added power on newer boards

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sidh:

Dagmar: sorry but i'm not a hardware expert but do you think it is dangerous if i plug only the 20 first pin without the 4 last ones ?

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XLV:

nighthawk, no.. the 4 or 8 pin aux power connector has nothing to do with the 24pin atx connector being able to break off the last 4 of its pins to work in 20 pin mbs

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XLV:

sidh, it will work, unless theres some physical obstacle

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nighthawk:

this is new to me, I'll have to see what the webs can learn me :)

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Dagmar:

It's fine, and I *am* an expert

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nighthawk:

I stopped following everything shortly after the celeron 300a

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sidh:

thanks you very much Dagmar XLV for explanations

[18:50:06]

nighthawk:

and just catch up when I need to build a new system

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Dagmar:

Generally you can snap those last four pins off and just tape them somewhere to keep them out of the way

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Dagmar:

DON'T try and force those into any other four-pin molex connector--bad things will happen

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nighthawk:

ah, wikipedia says originally it was 20 pin, then 24 came along

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XLV:

yeah, a new 24pin psu will have an aux power connector, either 4 or 8 pin.. which is in addition to the break-off part of the 24pin atx connector.. that 4pin part doesnt go into the 4pin aux power socket

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nighthawk:

when did 24pin come around? 2004?

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solexious|netbk:

5035822459038

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XLV:

nighthawk, 2003

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nighthawk:

ah, just read it ;-)

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nighthawk:

it is interesting to see how even things like power supplies have so much tighter tolerances than 10 years ago

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humm,just bought a terratec cinergy ht pci

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orogor:

apparently there s 2 modfels of them , but at the store no way to difference them , they had aeven the same barecode

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orogor:

hi again, trying to get the terratec cinergy pci to work

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nighthawk:

when myth plays video/tv with xv or vdpau, does it honor the loaded icc color profile?

[20:58:50]

kormoc:

that's up to the videocard drivers/x configuration

[20:58:56]

nighthawk:

I borrowed a friends spyder2 and created an icc, looks great when loaded, but I'd feel silly if it wasnt used for media

[20:59:19]

laga:

i didn't know you could do that on linux. nice.

[20:59:26]

nighthawk:

well, I've got nvidia-graphics 180.51, will that use it, and how do I make sure?

[20:59:36]

kormoc:

talk to nvidia and find out?

[20:59:36]

nighthawk:

laga: it is a much bigger hassle than on os x or windows, but it works

[20:59:45]

kormoc:

or try and see?

[21:00:29]

nighthawk:

do you don't have any particular knowledge? That is a good idea though, try unloading it and reloading it during playback

[21:00:43]

nighthawk:

assuming the change will be honored during playback...

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[21:01:29]

nighthawk:

I want to view House's Thirteen in her glorious natural skin tones :-)

[21:01:51]

kormoc:

so play it without it loaded, then play it with it loaded and see if it's the same or not

[21:01:55]

jduggan:

she is a fine example of a woman

[21:02:21]

nighthawk:

jduggan: I can never decide between her and Cameron

[21:02:27]

nighthawk:

Cameron was Kirk's mom though, so that is a bonus

[21:02:36]

jduggan:

kirk?

[21:02:39]

** jduggan ponders **

[21:02:39]

nighthawk:

Star Trek

[21:02:43]

wagnerrp:

tiberius

[21:02:44]

** kormoc blinks **

[21:02:46]

wagnerrp:

james

[21:02:48]

jduggan:

she was in star trek?

[21:02:58]

wagnerrp:

yeah, the latest one

[21:03:00]

nighthawk:

yeah, she played Kirk's mom in the begining of the JJ Abrams film

[21:03:03]

jduggan:

ah

[21:03:07]

jduggan:

i didnt see it

[21:03:13]

nighthawk:

my buddy pointed it out during the scene or I'd never have known

[21:03:17]

jduggan:

but i think thirteen is fitter

[21:03:20]

nighthawk:

best trek movie ever

[21:03:25]

laga:

you're never going to fsck either :P

[21:03:35]

kormoc:

meh, it's not star trek

[21:03:38]

** kormoc grumbles **

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[21:03:45]

jduggan:

im not a trekkie

[21:03:47]

nighthawk:

laga: not until that knapster knockoff in futurama is invented

[21:03:50]

jduggan:

so likely wont watch the movie

[21:04:04]

nighthawk:

jd: it isnt like the other treks, it is good for any viewer

[21:04:11]

kormoc:

jduggan, it was made for non-trekkie's, it's a bastardization of all that is holy...

[21:04:14]

nighthawk:

no stiff acting, action and fun

[21:04:18]

jduggan:

kormoc: ah

[21:04:35]

jduggan:

maybe i'll buy it when it gets down to under £10

[21:04:39]

jduggan:

on DVD

[21:04:39]

jduggan:

:)

[21:04:57]

nighthawk:

it wasn't to deep, but it was enjoyable

[21:05:00]

AndyCap:

kormoc: it's a movie for those who beat up trekkies for lunch money

[21:05:02]

** dustybin stops being a Inglourious Barsterd **

[21:05:19]

kormoc:

AndyCap, you're more then welcome to try to take my lunch money

[21:05:27]

** kormoc cracks his fingers **

[21:05:29]

nighthawk:

dusty: that one any good?

[21:05:38]

dustybin:

havent watched it yet

[21:06:07]

AndyCap:

kormoc: hehe. I suspect you're beyond my grasp

[21:06:20]

nighthawk:

and isn't it supposed to be spelled "bastards" ?

[21:06:38]

nighthawk:

in non quintin land

[21:06:38]

kormoc:

AndyCap, people who have tried tended to end up a bit more hurt then I ever did :P

[21:07:03]

** orogor brummble **

[21:07:13]

AndyCap:

excellent, don't give any clues, that would be helpful. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/382325

[21:07:17]

orogor:

still nobody around with a freebox?

[21:08:04]

jduggan:

btw, do regular F connectors connect ct100 to lnb, or are they different plugs

[21:08:12]

jduggan:

just ordered a dish/lnb

[21:08:12]

wagnerrp:

orogor: nearly all the regulars around here are from the US, Canada, or England

[21:08:24]

wagnerrp:

youre not likely to chance upon another freebox user in here

[21:08:30]

orogor:

well i just hope from time to time one will popup

[21:08:30]

wagnerrp:

youll probably have better luck on the mailing lists

[21:09:02]

orogor:

humm i just bought a dvb-t tuner, i can t tune anything with it,

[21:11:01]

nighthawk:

I can confirm xv uses current color profile, now for vdpau...

[21:11:54]

nighthawk:

yay, both work, and allow switching real time

[21:13:49]

orogor:

is vdpau support widespread yet ?

[21:13:59]

nighthawk:

define widespread?

[21:14:11]

orogor:

implemented in most apps

[21:14:19]

nighthawk:

myth svn uses it, latest mplayer from atrpms does

[21:14:34]

nighthawk:

I just wish it had some Xvid support

[21:14:38]

orogor:

xine/vlc

[21:14:39]

kormoc:

define most apps?

[21:14:52]

nighthawk:

it is supported in ffmpeg now

[21:14:53]

kormoc:

cause I doubt firefox ever would

[21:15:14]

nighthawk:

firefox+mplayer plugin!

[21:15:20]

dustybin:

photoshop cs4 uses VDPAU :D

[21:15:22]

orogor:

could be usfull in flash

[21:15:34]

nighthawk:

lircd uses vdpau

[21:15:38]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, no, it doesn't.

[21:15:39]

orogor:

Oo

[21:15:43]

dustybin:

?

[21:15:59]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, VDPAU = Video Display and Presentation API for UNIX

[21:16:03]

iamlindoro:

so no, it doesn't.

[21:16:11]

dustybin:

oh

[21:16:17]

nighthawk:

mysql uses it... :o

[21:16:19]

kormoc:

that whole reality thing

[21:16:20]

dustybin:

mac os x = unix

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** kormoc thinks nighthawk is on crack **

[21:16:40]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, using the GPU is not the same as using VDPAU

[21:16:41]

kormoc:

dustybin, os x doesn't use VDPAU, it uses it's own special one

[21:16:47]

dustybin:

oh ok

[21:17:01]

orogor:

well i ll wait a bit before lookign at it then

[21:17:08]

** dustybin inhales some crack **

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orogor:

i use xine the most, then vlc then mplayer

[21:17:27]

nighthawk:

Thirteen crack perhaps?

[21:17:39]

dustybin:

o_0

[21:17:40]

kormoc:

nah, just crack cocaine

[21:17:51]

kormoc:

cause you're all crazy mofos

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[21:18:15]

nighthawk:

the president has smoked crack, should I be concerned?

[21:18:29]

dustybin:

man i need to find a partner, computing has taken over my life

[21:18:33]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[21:18:43]

kormoc:

dustybin, so leave the channel and go find one?

[21:18:47]

nighthawk:

dusty: where is the negative in that?

[21:19:07]

kormoc:

nighthawk, he doesn't want to become more like you?

[21:19:08]

wagnerrp:

get some nice clothes, go to a bar

[21:19:11]

nighthawk:

read some PKDick and relax

[21:19:24]

dustybin:

wagnerrp: on my own?

[21:19:34]

AndyCap:

next on #mythtv-users: ASL, fasttrack to procreation or the scourge of humanity.

[21:19:49]

laga:

dustybin: go study computer science. plenty of people like that ;)

[21:19:52]

nighthawk:

hah, so all those people who talk about WAF are liars...

[21:20:18]

nighthawk:

"she lives in canada, you can't meet her"

[21:20:31]

** kormoc blinks **

[21:20:35]

AndyCap:

laga: supposedly 70% of computer science students in Iran are female.

[21:20:36]

wagnerrp:

make friends at said bar, then go to said bar with new friends

[21:20:37]

kormoc:

nighthawk, what are you even talking about?

[21:20:51]

wagnerrp:

then you will no longer be the creepy loner in the bar trying to pick up women

[21:21:06]

nighthawk:

Andy: I'd be curious to read the source on that one

[21:21:28]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap, Persian women are also pretty damn hot

[21:21:32]

laga:

AndyCap: too bad the country is not that stable right now :)

[21:21:36]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: there's that too. :)

[21:21:41]

iamlindoro:

laga, they can live at my house!

[21:22:02]

iamlindoro:

GF may mind, though

[21:22:14]

AndyCap:

nighthawk: yeah, so would I. but for now it's all hearsay. http://gregdek.livejournal.com/52917.html

[21:22:16]

kormoc:

so find a GF that doens't? ;)

[21:22:27]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, my life is a quest for just that

[21:22:29]

iamlindoro:

;)

[21:22:37]

laga:

iamlindoro: talk to her about polyamory :P

[21:22:44]

wagnerrp:

one that doesnt mind your harem?

[21:23:05]

AndyCap:

and I don't speak uh, persian? so I can't check the universitys admission stats if they're online

[21:23:14]

iamlindoro:

farsi

[21:23:22]

kormoc:

Farsi

[21:23:27]

AndyCap:

thank you.

[21:23:49]

AndyCap:

oh, didn't google translate aquire that skill when the riots broke out.

[21:24:11]

kormoc:

I can speak maybe a dozen phrases in Farsi, it's actually not that hard to learn

[21:24:18]

laga:

AndyCap: interesting theory in that link. when i was studying computational linguistics in my old town, they'd give you a bachelor of science. in my current town, you get a bachelor of arts and they *seem* to have more women. ;)

[21:24:57]

kormoc:

It's also major points when talking with a Persian lady about foods and can talk about those classic favorites she grew up with

[21:24:59]

nighthawk:

the source that blog cites doesn't mention anything on the topic

[21:25:19]

kormoc:

doesn't surprise me

[21:25:34]

AndyCap:

nighthawk: exactly. so either it vanished or greg got his source wrong.

[21:25:53]

kormoc:

aroundd 20% of wikipedia's cited sources have nothing to do with the cite, all that matters is the [#]...

[21:26:03]

nighthawk:

indeed

[21:26:14]

AndyCap:

or for all I know they were out for beers and only one side remembers the conversation

[21:26:26]

nighthawk:

a dream is not a valid citation

[21:26:31]

AndyCap:

kormoc: is this part of the 20% of statistics that are made up?

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kormoc:

AndyCap, yup

[21:26:56]

kormoc:

I liked that nighthawk (who checked the cite) accepted it

[21:27:10]

nighthawk:

accepted what?

[21:27:36]

kormoc:

my awesome pulled from the buttocks wikipedia statistic

[21:27:51]

nighthawk:

please cite my acceptance

[21:28:04]

kormoc:

<nighthawk> indeed

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nighthawk:

I emphatically agreed with the notion you stated, not accepted it as fact

[21:28:44]

AndyCap:

what is difference?

[21:28:46]

AndyCap:

:P

[21:30:18]

AndyCap:

ok. google translate did return a number of blogs atleast.

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[21:48:42]

Imaginativeone_:

is there a resource for getting someone to set up mythtv for me?

[21:49:08]

Imaginativeone_:

there are some guys in my area, but $400 exceeds my budget

[21:49:08]

iamlindoro:

You probably don't want to pay what that would cost

[21:49:12]

iamlindoro:

exactly

[21:49:22]

iamlindoro:

I've not done it for < $1000

[21:49:25]

Imaginativeone_:

thanks lindoro

[21:49:33]

Imaginativeone_:

why so much?

[21:49:48]

laga:

because he can

[21:49:54]

kormoc:

Time, hardware...

[21:49:58]

iamlindoro:

because it's a pantload of work to do right, and real experience costs money

[21:50:06]

Imaginativeone_:

ah

[21:50:09]

iamlindoro:

not some guy who will install mythbuntu and call it "done"

[21:50:15]

kormoc:

And I expect you expect that you'll get support for the install?

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kormoc:

So if it breaks, he'll fix it?

[21:50:25]

Imaginativeone_:

yeah...I guess mythtv isn't that straightforward

[21:50:40]

Imaginativeone_:

no support necessary

[21:50:49]

kormoc:

so what happens if it breaks?

[21:50:49]

Imaginativeone_:

I already have all the hardware

[21:50:55]

iamlindoro:

IME it's always more work *after* the system is doing basic recording to get settings correct

[21:51:02]

Imaginativeone_:

then I learn a bit more about mythtv

[21:51:14]

Imaginativeone_:

aaahhh

[21:51:20]

kormoc:

and what if you're hardware doesn't work?

[21:51:30]

kormoc:

*your

[21:51:31]

Imaginativeone_:

:-)_

[21:51:36]

iamlindoro:

if you want me to set it up for you and stop when it's recording, with no further support, I'll do it for $400 :)

[21:51:45]

iamlindoro:

but that would be a pretty piss-poor setup

[21:52:07]

Imaginativeone_:

hmm...

[21:52:16]

Imaginativeone_:

I guess that explains tivo

[21:52:29]

Imaginativeone_:

it works outside the box

[21:52:35]

Imaginativeone_:

AND support

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kormoc:

outside the box?

[21:52:46]

Imaginativeone_:

right out of the box

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** laga wouldn't offer doing mythtv setups without doing some serious research first **

[21:52:57]

Imaginativeone_:

misuse of a phrase

[21:53:11]

jduggan:

heh

[21:53:17]

jduggan:

i was offered a job in spain

[21:53:21]

jduggan:

setting up mythtv

[21:53:26]

jduggan:

in some coastal villa

[21:53:29]

jduggan:

i said no

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kormoc:

I'll do that if they'll fly me out there and cover al my costs for a week or two...

[21:53:50]

kormoc:

and fly me back

[21:53:53]

jduggan:

yea

[21:53:58]

jduggan:

it was all offered

[21:54:00]

GreyFoxx:

same here :)

[21:54:03]

jduggan:

but too much effort

[21:54:10]

jduggan:

and ongoing support..

[21:54:11]

GreyFoxx:

I'd even remotely support it :)

[21:54:15]

kormoc:

same!

[21:54:16]

jduggan:

is a pita

[21:54:23]

GreyFoxx:

Hell I've installed 40 or more myth systems for people for free

[21:54:29]

kormoc:

No speaka italian!

[21:54:35]

jduggan:

lol @ italian

[21:54:37]

GreyFoxx:

I'd certainly do iot for that :)

[21:54:54]

Imaginativeone_:

GreyFoxx: that's $40,000!

[21:54:54]

jduggan:

it was like 6 rooms

[21:55:09]

iamlindoro:

My current MythTV consulting is very fortunate, guy is very very well informed

[21:55:10]

jduggan:

i keep getting asked about it

[21:55:31]

kormoc:

jduggan, if speaking Spanish isn't required, hook us up! ;)

[21:55:37]

jduggan:

lol

[21:55:51]

jduggan:

i dont think he'd be willing to fly from USA

[21:55:56]

jduggan:

although he's a millionaire

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kormoc:

what bout Canada ;)

[21:56:11]

jduggan:

so who knows

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jduggan:

shrug

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Imaginativeone_:

kormoc is a millionaire?

[21:56:24]

Imaginativeone_:

that's funny

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poodyp1:

I so wish I could offer MythTV to my customers

[21:56:39]

kormoc:

Imaginativeone_, ooh? Why's that?

[21:56:42]

Imaginativeone_:

if you can learn Linux, you can certainly learn Spanish in a short time

[21:56:53]

poodyp1:

I wouldn't want to support it though

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jduggan:

its the supporting that scares me

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AndyCap:

Imaginativeone_: in short time, just enough to get you into trouble, same as with linux

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kormoc:

because logical english command structure is so much harder then Spanish?

[21:57:38]

Imaginativeone_:

not necessarily

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Imaginativeone_:

you can speak spanish badly and still get your point across

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iamlindoro:

It would be fairly easy to gut the settings that nobody shoudl ever touch in myth and re-engineer the menu themes to prevent anyone ever getting to the rest without a keyboard modifier, and write a SQL script to set sane setting defaults

[21:58:14]

iamlindoro:

I've just never been that motivated

[21:58:47]

jduggan:

i would most certainly hide all the non-trivial settings away

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Imaginativeone_:

I bet the first person with a $200 solution is VERY rich

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kormoc:

nah

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AndyCap:

Imaginativeone_: tivo?

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kormoc:

there's been plenty of people who have tried...

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kormoc:

and given you can't sell SD subscriptions anyway....

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jduggan:

gbee had a pretty cheap setup iirc

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jduggan:

cheap box

[21:59:45]

jduggan:

cheap card

[21:59:47]

jduggan:

cheap dish

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kormoc:

so you're saying gbee is a cheap chap?

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AndyCap:

incidentally, did Fiire pack it up?

[22:00:03]

jduggan:

lol

[22:00:07]

jduggan:

nah

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iamlindoro:

Fiire isn't myth strictly speaking anyway

[22:00:18]

jduggan:

but he did try to prove HD can be done on a budget

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Imaginativeone_:

what's gbee?

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iamlindoro:

A person

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jduggan:

myth developer

[22:00:30]

jduggan:

nice guy

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jduggan:

;]

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kormoc:

or a place, or a thing

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kormoc:

depending on your viewpoint

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: close enough for this discussion though. but yeah, seems they're dead.

[22:00:52]

jduggan:

Great Britain

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jduggan:

GB

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jduggan:

:O

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iamlindoro:

AndyCap, many of the upcoming VESA-mountable ION boxes would have rendered them moot anyway

[22:01:50]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: well, they had more than the Via VM7700

[22:02:05]

AndyCap:

which from the specs seemed underpowered.

[22:02:18]

** AndyCap wants the gyration firmware Fiire used. **

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iamlindoro:

pick me up off the floor, a VIA doesn't have any power? ;)

[22:03:45]

iamlindoro:

Actually doing an install of 3x Asrock ION 330 boxes next week

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iamlindoro:

look forward to playing w/ the ahrdware on not-my-dime

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jduggan:

lol @ not on my dime

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AndyCap:

I wonder if the linux Intel drivers have the same problem with Denon hdmi as the windows drivers.

[22:36:20]

jduggan:

hrm

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jduggan:

have problems with denon?

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jduggan:

eek

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jduggan:

nearly bought a denon receiver

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jduggan:

maybe i'll hold out

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jduggan:

:P

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AndyCap:

they disagree on how to write EDID data http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2008/05 . . . v-receivers/

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jduggan:

interesting read

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Think you mean to write it here :)

[23:12:59]

wagnerrp:

indeed i do

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I diagree

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp? . . . yword=serial

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i see it now... but theres no option for it on the left side menu

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orogor:

huh

[23:20:27]

orogor:

how does the record all emission with same title on all source works?

[23:20:56]

iamlindoro:

That's not a very clear question

[23:21:04]

iamlindoro:

So my answer is "sort of how you would expect it to work"

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orogor:

does it use the list which is already downloaded to setup the recording and then setuo a fixed chanel and time for downloads?

[23:21:32]

iamlindoro:

no, it matches the titles whenever the scheduler runs, based on your listings, and schedules recordings accordingly

[23:21:58]

orogor:

or does it make up some kind of dynamic filter that keeps working even after new programs are downloaded, channels added and cards deleted ?

[23:22:13]

iamlindoro:

incorrect terminology, but that's close

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orogor:

my linux teacher used to say that as well :)

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wagnerrp:

i should get a patch panel while im at it

[23:27:18]

wagnerrp:

ive been meaning to rewire things for a while

[23:28:57]

orogor:

wagnerrp, at home ?

[23:29:04]

wagnerrp:

yeah

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orogor:

ewww

[23:29:17]

wagnerrp:

ive got two 8-ports nearly filled

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kormoc:

neat wiring is ewww?

[23:29:41]

orogor:

ewww is expensive

[23:29:57]

wagnerrp:

yeah, they are like $1/port

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kormoc:

$9.95 is expensive?

[23:30:23]

orogor:

duh where do u get em from ?

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orogor:

escuse me but i dont remember seing rackable stuff under 50–100€

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iamlindoro:

monoprice, in this case

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wagnerrp:

cheapest i see there is twice that

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iamlindoro:

That said, $25 is nothing

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wagnerrp:

the problem is now, i dont know where i would put it

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kormoc:

your wiring closet!

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wagnerrp:

id like one where the ports were at 90deg to the punchdowns

[23:33:25]

wagnerrp:

at the moment, my 'wiring closet' is a bunch of straps bolted to the underside of a AC duct in the basement

[23:34:07]

wagnerrp:

modem, router, switches, ATA, power strip are all mounted to the underside of the duct

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orogor:

i heard ikea was selling cheapo 19' racks for audio stuff

[23:35:10]

orogor:

wagnerrp, how comes you get almost 16 ports filled ?

[23:35:11]

Dagmar:

Not really

[23:35:25]

Dagmar:

They're selling shelves that happen to be 19" wide

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wagnerrp:

well two ports are used by connecting the switches together

[23:35:59]

wagnerrp:

i have four ports run up to my office for various uses

[23:36:43]

wagnerrp:

plus the router, file server/mbe, two frontends, 3 WAPs, 2 more desktops, two more laptops

[23:37:27]

wagnerrp:

phone ata, printer, the list on things that *can* take network just keeps increasing

[23:37:32]

orogor:

6 peoples familly ?

[23:37:35]

wagnerrp:

raid card

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wagnerrp:

4

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wagnerrp:

i have a desktop and laptop, my sister has a desktop and laptop, my parents have a desk and two laptops

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wagnerrp:

thats one full switch right there

[23:39:03]

orogor:

not going wifi ?

[23:39:21]

wagnerrp:

see above... 3 access points

[23:39:53]

wagnerrp:

its an old house, with brick and stucco walls

[23:39:59]

wagnerrp:

wireless doesnt go very far

[23:40:09]

orogor:

.. crazy

[23:41:00]

iamlindoro:

wireless also sucks balls

[23:41:04]

orogor:

true

[23:41:14]

iamlindoro:

fine for web browsing, bad for work

[23:41:42]

orogor:

i guess not _that_ bad specially if he has 3 ap, but sometime it gets annoying

[23:41:56]

wagnerrp:

wireless is still just as slow

[23:42:06]

wagnerrp:

three APs just means i get full coverage of the house

[23:42:12]

iamlindoro:

he has 3 APs because he wants to work in a large geographic space

[23:42:20]

iamlindoro:

it still sucks in each location

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orogor:

even at the office i monitor our server we rarely peak above 2MB when we can go 10GB

[23:42:35]

wagnerrp:

almost, signal quality is marginal on the back deck

[23:42:48]

wagnerrp:

and i occasionally drop out sitting in the back room

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orogor:

thats with 1500peoples

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orogor:

err 500 peoples at the same time

[23:43:16]

wagnerrp:

i need to run another wire back there so i can put one of the APs there

[23:43:35]

orogor:

wagnerrp, buy fonera if you need cheapo ap

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kormoc:

hear hear

[23:43:38]

** kormoc curses 802.11 **

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orogor:

:)

[23:43:53]

wagnerrp:

i used to have the AP and the fe running on the same cable

[23:43:54]

orogor:

actually it s very good stuff

[23:43:58]

kormoc:

fonera? doubt that's a standard brand out here

[23:44:11]

wagnerrp:

but i wanted the fe running off gigabit, rather than through the 10/100 switch

[23:44:19]

orogor:

i think they ship you anywhere

[23:44:20]

wagnerrp:

fonera gives away free APs

[23:44:39]

wagnerrp:

under the assumption that you register them and make them freely available the world to use

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[23:44:50]

orogor:

well not anymore, unless you re at the good spot at the good time

[23:45:10]

wagnerrp:

they used to run off WRTs and a custom firmware, but i believe they have their own hardware now

[23:45:27]

orogor:

it s the reverse

[23:45:39]

orogor:

now you can run wrt on fonera

[23:46:03]

wagnerrp:

basically, they run their own AP network

[23:46:23]

wagnerrp:

if you allow people on the network to use your AP for free, you can use any network AP for free as well

[23:46:43]

wagnerrp:

if you choose to charge for use, you have to pay for time you spend on other's APs

[23:47:05]

wagnerrp:

anyone not in the network has to pay regardless

[23:47:23]

orogor:

kormoc, basic fonera is 20€, 50€ and you can download stuff on it

[23:49:51]

wagnerrp:

youre saying your office runs everyone off wireless?

[23:50:00]

orogor:

nope

[23:50:06]

orogor:

we run wired

[23:50:32]

orogor:

but we re goingto run wireless, we have a 4 years plan to get it wireless

[23:50:41]

wagnerrp:

what for?

[23:50:52]

wagnerrp:

wired is SOOO much cheaper

[23:50:56]

solexious|netbk:

gigabit wired ftw

[23:50:59]

Dagmar:

Linksys _screwed_ them is why they have their own hardware now

[23:51:37]

orogor:

it s an hospital , so it s for medication and prescribtion next to the bed of the peoples

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wagnerrp:

i could see people carrying wireless tablets around the hospital

[23:52:26]

wagnerrp:

but why would the beds need to be wireless

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** kormoc would be worried **

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orogor:

almost

[23:52:53]

wagnerrp:

just have a jack on the wall they plug into

[23:52:53]

** kormoc waits for someone to change some prescriptions over the air... **

[23:53:08]

jduggan:

UK hospitals spent fortunes making them all wireless so drs didnt need to carry around paper notes, but some tablet device.... but apparently its never likely to happen, so in some, theyre pay for hotspots, i know BT openzone uses some hospitals

[23:53:10]

orogor:

there s not going to be tablets cause even the employes would stel them

[23:53:26]

wagnerrp:

yeah, preferably running off a secure virtual circuit

[23:53:41]

kormoc:

I don't trust the majority of IT

[23:53:44]

wagnerrp:

put tracking software/hardware on them

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AndyCap:

orogor: uh, much easier to steal the morphine

[23:54:10]

wagnerrp:

have employees sign out the machines

[23:54:18]

orogor:

the bed themselves arent going to be wireless, but there s going to be some (not translation) rolling thing with a laptop incrusted to make the prescribtion and medication

[23:54:19]

wagnerrp:

and they have to explain what happened to it if it gets 'lost'

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** kormoc looses the entire stock of macbook pros every day **

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orogor:

wagnerrp, there s some stories you wouldn t trust

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AndyCap:

O_o

[23:55:29]

kormoc:

so don't, if they don't have valid stories, charge them

[23:55:31]

wagnerrp:

he means 'believe'

[23:55:40]

orogor:

like they removed the wounter weight for elevator maintenance

[23:55:59]

orogor:

elevator are 2 tons, so counter weight are 2 tons

[23:56:10]

kormoc:

and so that caused a computer to get lost how?

[23:56:15]

wagnerrp:

and someone stole the counterweight?

[23:56:31]

orogor:

at 5pm the weights where there at 5 am they where stolen already

[23:56:32]

AndyCap:

kormoc: put the ccounterweight on top of the macbook

[23:56:37]

orogor:

and thjey were made of lead

[23:56:47]

wagnerrp:

WTF would someone want with a counterweight

[23:56:47]

kormoc:

the counterweight was made out of gold?

[23:56:56]

wagnerrp:

i mean its not like lead is worth much

[23:57:06]

wagnerrp:

not for the difficulty of transporting it anyway

[23:57:23]

orogor:

wagnerrp, somone stoled 2 tons of leads in the middle of a 1500 employees hostpital

[23:57:51]

wagnerrp:

in the middle of the night

[23:58:02]

wagnerrp:

you have full staffing through the night?

[23:58:11]

orogor:

humm, without the elevator , i can even understand how they did that

[23:58:27]

kormoc:

it's a grand worth of lead

[23:58:59]

jduggan:

alot of risk for a grand

[23:59:07]

orogor:

counter weight are at 1km of -1 or 100m of -2

[23:59:11]

kormoc:

forget the risk, a lot of pain

[23:59:28]

wagnerrp:

2-tons of lead are not an easy thing to move

[23:59:30]

kormoc:

4480 lbs of lead isn't worth a grand for me to even get near

[23:59:43]

wagnerrp:

i bet the high tension cable was worth more than the counterweight

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