| Friday, July 24th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:38] | sphery: | try using left/right to flip through it and get it back to there, then go through all the Next's to Finish |
| [00:00:50] | sgtpepper: | ok.. let me try that |
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| [00:02:51] | sgtpepper: | sphery: same stuff |
| [00:02:51] | sgtpepper: | AudioInit(): /dev/null : error setting audio input device to 48000kHz/16bits/2channel |
| [00:03:03] | sphery: | sgtpepper: ahhh... that says "input" |
| [00:03:21] | sphery: | you need to specify a valid audio device in the card setup |
| [00:03:26] | sgtpepper: | ok, then I have to set it up in the videocard configuration |
| [00:03:34] | sphery: | it doesn't have to actually provide sound, but it has to be a valid device |
| [00:03:36] | sgtpepper: | how do I specify an alsa device there? |
| [00:03:40] | sgtpepper: | ohhh ok |
| [00:03:49] | sphery: | In mythtv-setup under capture cards |
| [00:04:01] | sphery: | if you've selected V4L card, it should show the option |
| [00:04:07] | sphery: | it's probably saying /dev/null right now |
| [00:04:36] | sgtpepper: | it is... |
| [00:04:53] | sphery: | sorry for reading what I expected instead of what it actually said... "input" was an important word there |
| [00:05:08] | sphery: | Yeah, so change it to /dev/dsp0 or whatever |
| [00:05:09] | sgtpepper: | I've no options in audio device |
| [00:05:26] | sphery: | do you see /dev/dsp* on your filesystem? |
| [00:05:31] | sgtpepper: | don't have /dev/dsp* |
| [00:05:44] | sphery: | if not, modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-pcm-mixer |
| [00:06:01] | sphery: | wait... |
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| [00:06:06] | sphery: | got that wrong |
| [00:06:28] | sphery: | modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-mixer-oss |
| [00:06:42] | sphery: | (and, if you like, modprobe snd-seq-oss ) |
| [00:06:48] | sgtpepper: | cool, I've two now |
| [00:07:14] | sphery: | need to select one of them, but I don't know which |
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| [00:07:26] | sphery: | shouldn't really hurt if you get the wrong one (though you won't get sound) |
| [00:07:35] | sphery: | I'd guess /dev/dsp1 |
| [00:07:55] | sgtpepper: | Ok, now I've one... trying again... |
| [00:08:06] | sphery: | (but that could change on future reboots... Yet another reason why hardware encoders rock :) |
| [00:09:27] | sgtpepper: | ok... I definitely hate myself... If I had not be so stubborn on Fedora I would have found this issue long ago |
| [00:09:51] | sgtpepper: | its that |
| [00:09:53] | sphery: | heh, the Google ad on your mythtv.pastebin.com is for http://www.okoromedia.com/?gclid=CJD7xsyG7ZsCFRKAxgodv0iZ-g . Wonder if Google is doing media stuff because it's mythtv.pastebin.com or because of the content or if it's just a coincidence |
| [00:10:00] | sgtpepper: | sound is a bit weird |
| [00:10:13] | sphery: | LiveTV works? |
| [00:10:16] | sgtpepper: | yes |
| [00:10:21] | sgtpepper: | but sound is really pitchy |
| [00:10:23] | sphery: | And you can change channels? |
| [00:10:27] | sgtpepper: | yes |
| [00:10:31] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [00:10:38] | sgtpepper: | maybe is the freq |
| [00:10:43] | sgtpepper: | even sound works |
| [00:10:51] | sphery: | sounds like we can tell janneg that trunk doesn't have the bug |
| [00:11:09] | sphery: | or were you saying that you think the audio misconfig may have been the problem on 0.21-fixes? |
| [00:11:17] | sgtpepper: | sure soud like it |
| [00:11:22] | sgtpepper: | It works in trung |
| [00:11:25] | sgtpepper: | trunk |
| [00:11:36] | sgtpepper: | I think it should work on 0.21-fixes |
| [00:11:47] | sgtpepper: | I can reinstall and try it |
| [00:12:03] | sphery: | if you could try again (don't know if this is a different box or what), that would be great |
| [00:12:15] | sgtpepper: | I will reinstall and try again |
| [00:12:21] | sphery: | you'll have to restore the pre-upgrade database backup before going back to -fixes |
| [00:12:25] | sgtpepper: | yes |
| [00:12:29] | sgtpepper: | I read about that |
| [00:12:32] | sphery: | (unless you don't have anything you need in your DB) |
| [00:12:50] | sgtpepper: | another question, abour the pitchy sound... can it be the sound rate |
| [00:12:50] | sphery: | nice backup/restore scripts available at: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore (if I do say so, myself :) |
| [00:12:51] | sgtpepper: | 48k |
| [00:12:56] | sgtpepper: | lol |
| [00:13:05] | sphery: | 48k is better than 32k |
| [00:13:16] | sphery: | though some cheap cards only do 32k properly |
| [00:13:21] | sgtpepper: | might be |
| [00:13:21] | sphery: | you can try flipping it |
| [00:13:23] | sgtpepper: | let me try it |
| [00:13:34] | sphery: | also some cheap cards are mono only (which makes audio sound worse) |
| [00:13:53] | sphery: | and some just have poor sound decoding/output, so ... |
| [00:14:56] | sphery: | If you're interested in a nice PVR-150, you can get them cheap on ebay thanks to the digital transition (assuming you're NTSC): http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150-F . . . 3A1|294%3A50 |
| [00:16:09] | sphery: | $19.99 buy it now with $7.99 S&H and $2 off shipping on additional items from the same seller (and he has multiple 150's) |
| [00:16:24] | sphery: | lots more there, too, if you do a search |
| [00:17:36] | sphery: | sgtpepper: Anyway, thanks (in advance) for taking the time to test -fixes, again. If it turns out you can verify it's audio-config-related, it will make it a lot easier to help the other people with the issue. |
| [00:18:03] | sphery: | And, on the bright side, you'll end up with a nice stable Myth box (when you go back to the stable version), so benefits all around :) |
| [00:18:19] | sphery: | and with that, it's time for dinner... later. enjoy. |
| [00:18:27] | sgtpepper: | sure :d but I just loved the eye candy ;-) |
| [00:18:32] | sgtpepper: | talk to you tomorrow |
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| [00:20:53] | sphery: | sgtpepper: well, stable eye candy should be coming soon :) |
| [00:21:16] | sphery: | (and once it's stable, we'll probably have a lot more people who start developing themes for it) |
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| [00:51:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot]... hahahaha! great tag line I just read in a forum message: "Computers are like air conditioners – They can't do their job properly if you open windows." |
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| [01:32:35] | sphery: | Annoying... Stupid movie credits have a "Kid Two" and "Kid #3", so when I put the credits into tmdb like that everyone will think I'm the one who made the continuity/symmetry mistake. |
| [01:36:15] | sphery: | Oh, and "Mom 2" (without the number sign/pound/hash) |
| [01:40:40] | sphery: | And someone created "First Assistant Directory" job in the tmdb database with 5 trailing spaces (can you say copy/paste error?) |
| [01:40:48] | sphery: | s/Directory/Director/ |
| [01:44:31] | Dagmar: | Someone was too lazy to put in a filter on input that removes trailing/leading spaces? |
| [01:44:46] | Dagmar: | Is it possible that perhaps Little Bobby Tables had a role in that film? |
| [01:44:47] | Dagmar: | :) |
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| [02:00:24] | sphery: | Dagmar: heh, that's one of the xkcd's I missed |
| [02:00:58] | sphery: | I can't figure out how to create new jobs in tmdb... |
| [02:01:27] | sphery: | annoying because it put in Salvador Perez as a Co-Costume Designer instead of a Costume Designer (and there's no Co) |
| [02:01:40] | kormoc: | Hrm |
| [02:01:46] | kormoc: | there's some issues with the mini and linux |
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| [02:15:34] | sphery: | So, tmdb says no posters < 1000pixels wide... If the one on wikipedia (and everywhere else I can find) is only 521 wide, do I scale it (which looks awful doubling the size of a JPEG) or just leave it without a poster? |
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| [04:18:40] | xanderp: | Just got my classic xbox fixed up (network was fried). I want to install mythtv-frontend on it, but also dual boot to play xbox games. The box is only softmod, not hardmod. Is dual boot possible for this scenario? Thanks |
| [04:19:53] | wagnerrp: | this channel is not a xbox hacking support channel |
| [04:20:10] | wagnerrp: | chances are not good youre going to find someone in here knowledgeable about such matters |
| [04:20:46] | xanderp: | wagnerrp, I understand that... but thought that finding someone using MYTHTV on an xbox would be easiest in this channel, not in some random xbox channel. |
| [04:20:55] | wagnerrp: | if you can install linux on it with this softmod, you can install mythtv on it |
| [04:21:12] | wagnerrp: | but whether you can shoehorn linux onto it in that manner, i have no idea |
| [04:21:29] | xanderp: | hoping to find some info on the dual boot config, (success stories) before I get too deep. :) |
| [04:22:28] | wagnerrp: | most long time users around here are going to tell you that trying to install mythtv on an xbox is a lost cause anyway |
| [04:22:33] | xanderp: | It will definitely run xebian and frontend nicely, (from the docs I've read) but i havn't come across any docs for dual booting on a softmod system yet. Off to consult my best friend google some moore! |
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| [04:22:39] | wagnerrp: | the xbox just doesnt have the power to do much of anything |
| [04:23:02] | xanderp: | all i do is standard def tv on a crappy rear projection tv set. doesn't have to be great. |
| [04:23:25] | wagnerrp: | the processor should decode any mpeg2 standard definition |
| [04:23:42] | wagnerrp: | divx/xvid/asp will be a bit flakey |
| [04:24:04] | wagnerrp: | anything h264 is out of the question, as is HD mpeg2 or divx |
| [04:24:21] | wagnerrp: | but beyond that, youre running a meager 32MB of memory |
| [04:24:25] | xanderp: | this would only be for a frontend for my kid to watch cartoons on and such so I'm not too concerned about how 'well' it performs, just that they get something! :) |
| [04:24:38] | wagnerrp: | the frontend does not like doing that |
| [04:25:19] | xanderp: | i may just tinker with xbox's media center again and see about pointing it at my mythtv's recording share instead. |
| [04:25:26] | wagnerrp: | right now, my frontend is pulling some 260MB of memory, plus another 20MB just for X |
| [04:26:09] | xanderp: | my main frontend has 1g ram, and a 2ghz processor, it struggles sometimes with even that power, so I understand where you are coming from! |
| [04:26:19] | wagnerrp: | anyway, im trying to dissuade you, because you would be better off dumpster diving for an old P4 or AthXP, or even a P3 |
| [04:26:42] | xanderp: | I'm trying to get some crap off the top of my tv, not add more to the pile! |
| [04:26:50] | xanderp: | the xbox is already up there. |
| [04:27:33] | xanderp: | now an xbox360 or ps3 mythtv frontend could be quite nice if it ever gets done! :) |
| [04:27:53] | wagnerrp: | the ps3 can be used as a frontend for the most part |
| [04:28:20] | wagnerrp: | ATSC recordings, and anything pulled off a mpeg encoder can be used directly over UPNP |
| [04:28:37] | wagnerrp: | stuff recorded off a framegrabber (and encoded as NUVs), not so much |
| [04:29:02] | wagnerrp: | the 360 is a bit more picky about who it will talk to and what it will play |
| [04:29:27] | xanderp: | closed systems... aughh... :( |
| [04:29:49] | wagnerrp: | however trying to run an actual frontend isnt going to work so well |
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| [04:30:01] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, its not even possible yet with the 360 |
| [04:30:09] | wagnerrp: | it *can* be done on the PS3 |
| [04:30:26] | xanderp: | well, thanks for chatting with me, I'm off to do some more tinkering... (I have another xbox with a bad network card I'm fixing... breaking out the soldering iron and heat gun!) |
| [04:30:44] | wagnerrp: | however you get no video acceleration, youre stuck with ~180MB of memory, and a relatively underpowered in-order processor |
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| [04:31:38] | xanderp: | cya |
| [04:31:44] | wagnerrp: | there has been some work done with using the SPEs to make up for the inadequacies of the (lack of) graphics chip on the PS3, and you can now use the graphics memory as swap |
| [04:31:55] | wagnerrp: | but its still not very functional |
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| [04:37:37] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Decode is the only choice, no passthrough for those formats |
| [04:39:46] | sphery: | Hmmm... I didn't see mention of 8-channel audio on #1104, but I remember there was tons of discussion about it on the list, too. |
| [04:39:58] | sphery: | Wonder if Mark S. ever said anything specifically about it. |
| [04:40:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery, but that was my conclusion as well |
| [04:40:16] | iamlindoro: | I beleive the issue to be with the upmix/etc. code |
| [04:40:19] | iamlindoro: | er believe |
| [04:40:21] | sphery: | exactly |
| [04:41:37] | ** kormoc shoots the macmini wifi card ** | |
| [04:41:56] | iamlindoro: | love so quickly turned to hate |
| [04:42:29] | kormoc: | Heh |
| [04:42:35] | kormoc: | I've always had a bit of hate of wifi |
| [04:43:20] | iamlindoro: | I hate wifi period, yes |
| [04:43:30] | wagnerrp: | would you rather he shoot a pillow.... with a silencer.... surrounded by co-workers? |
| [04:43:58] | wagnerrp: | wifi card? you mean its not built into the board? |
| [04:44:04] | kormoc: | The driver is a binary blob one, wireless tools can't set anything on it, wpa_supplicant can't set anything on it... |
| [04:44:04] | wagnerrp: | mini-pcie or something? |
| [04:44:13] | kormoc: | nah, it's built in, but brokeassed in linux |
| [04:44:38] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so you're extending the audio code in Myth? |
| [04:44:47] | kormoc: | it's time to try a ndiswrapper one now... |
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| [04:44:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery, heh, that one may be beyond me |
| [04:44:56] | iamlindoro: | s/may be/is/ |
| [04:44:57] | zanberdo_: | I'm trying to troubleshoot my new mythtv install. I have installed mythtv from repos on an ubuntu jaunty 64-bit distro. I have the HP 1600 video capture card and I can verify it's working with vlc. I've configured the back end according to the mythtv wiki. However, when I run the frontend (same box) and try to watch tv I get a blank screen for a few minutes, then it returns to the front end menu options. |
| [04:45:06] | sphery: | It's only beyond you until you finish... |
| [04:45:21] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Don't start with me, I've done my part :) |
| [04:45:39] | sphery: | zanberdo_: HP 1600 = Hauppauge HVR-1600? |
| [04:45:45] | sphery: | or some Hewlett Packard thing? |
| [04:45:46] | zanberdo_: | I've searched the web but I'm coming up empty. The only thing I've found that's remotely close to this suggests maybe it's the 64 bit issue. |
| [04:46:01] | zanberdo_: | sphery, yes, I can never remember how to spell hauppague... :) |
| [04:46:21] | wagnerrp: | zanberdo_: check your backend logs |
| [04:46:31] | wagnerrp: | it should spit out some error, indicating why its not working |
| [04:46:41] | wagnerrp: | should be in /var/log/mythtv/ |
| [04:48:12] | zanberdo_: | right, I've checked the logs. I do see one error: MythSocket (lede350:-1_ writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. |
| [04:48:36] | zanberdo_: | sorry that should read 1efe350:-1 |
| [04:48:44] | ** iamlindoro murmurs something about excerpting logs ** | |
| [04:48:52] | zanberdo_: | I should run xchat from that box so I can cut and paste. One sec |
| [04:48:56] | wagnerrp: | thats a memory address, and is relatively worthless out of context |
| [04:48:58] | wagnerrp: | NOOOOOOO |
| [04:49:06] | wagnerrp: | pastebin |
| [04:49:14] | zanberdo_: | yes, of course I will pastebin |
| [04:49:20] | zanberdo_: | I just can't do it from my lappy ... |
| [04:49:20] | sphery: | zanberdo_: pastebin the whole log from startup to livetv failure (delete log, then restart mythbackend, then make it fail) |
| [04:49:27] | zanberdo_: | well, I suppose I could if I were to ssh into the server. |
| [04:49:49] | zanberdo_: | one sec (yes, I'm aware of pastebin etiquette) |
| [04:50:00] | zanberdo_: | sphery, will do. |
| [04:50:04] | zanberdo_: | one moment please |
| [04:56:35] | zanberdo_: | ok, I shutdown mythtv-backend, removed /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log, restarted the backend then launched the front end, selected watch tv and when it returned to the main menu I closed the front end, stopped the backend and here is the resulting log file: http://pastebin.com/f3f40d20f |
| [04:57:24] | wagnerrp: | actually try to watch something, and then post the error that results |
| [04:58:19] | zanberdo_: | I'm sorry, I thought that's what I just tried. What more can I do than to select watch TV and wait the few seconds before it returns me to the main menu? Am I missing a step? |
| [04:58:33] | wagnerrp: | that was just startup and the frontend connecting |
| [04:58:49] | wagnerrp: | unless did you try to watch something, and the backend reported nothing? |
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| [05:00:18] | zanberdo_: | I'm not trying to be difficult, so please don't misunderstand. What I did was attempted to watch TV and all that happens on the front end is what I've described: the screen goes blank (I didn't mention that before, sorry) for a few moments as though it's about to switch on a channel or something, then the opening menu returns with the option to watch tv |
| [05:01:03] | zanberdo_: | is there more I can do? |
| [05:01:35] | wagnerrp: | did pastebin just go down? |
| [05:02:06] | zanberdo_: | hmmm... |
| [05:02:13] | zanberdo_: | maybe |
| [05:02:15] | wagnerrp: | anyway, since the frontend seems to be outright failing to connect, post your corresponding frontend log |
| [05:02:25] | zanberdo_: | very well |
| [05:02:26] | wagnerrp: | use pastebin.ca, since .com seems to be dead |
| [05:02:36] | zanberdo_: | affirmative. |
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| [05:04:22] | zanberdo_: | almost sent the current one. let me flush it and start again. one moment |
| [05:04:55] | wagnerrp: | go ahead and put the backend log back up again |
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| [05:06:22] | zanberdo_: | backend log (fresh from this session): http://pastebin.ca/1505335 |
| [05:06:32] | zanberdo_: | frontend log (fresh from this session): http://pastebin.ca/1505334 |
| [05:07:07] | iamlindoro: | How many backends do you have? |
| [05:07:35] | zanberdo_: | just one |
| [05:07:37] | iamlindoro: | Your backend is starting as a slave-- you have misconfigured something in step 1 of mythtv-setup |
| [05:07:41] | zanberdo_: | I see from the log that LiveTV is not starting... |
| [05:07:55] | wagnerrp: | ah, yeah.... |
| [05:07:58] | zanberdo_: | hmmm... |
| [05:08:09] | iamlindoro: | Mythtv-setup, step 1 |
| [05:08:19] | iamlindoro: | fix mismatched IP addresses |
| [05:08:19] | wagnerrp: | so then, its connecting back to itself? |
| [05:08:29] | wagnerrp: | make sure theyre both the same address |
| [05:08:39] | wagnerrp: | they must be addresses, hostnames dont work |
| [05:08:49] | zanberdo_: | ah, yes I did go from wired to wireless. But I changed MasterServerIP in settings table to the new address. evidently that was unsufficient? |
| [05:09:00] | wagnerrp: | there is master, and local ip |
| [05:09:19] | wagnerrp: | the master will only function as the master if its defined local ip is the same as the master |
| [05:09:19] | zanberdo_: | yes, it's the same unit (the front and back ends. |
| [05:09:23] | zanberdo_: | so I'd assume same IP |
| [05:09:46] | zanberdo_: | ok, fair play. I clearly bulloxed something when I switched nics. |
| [05:10:00] | zanberdo_: | let me run setup again. So, can I pass that step 1 as a param to setup? |
| [05:10:18] | wagnerrp: | pass as a param? |
| [05:10:31] | zanberdo_: | "Mythtv-setup, step 1" |
| [05:10:37] | wagnerrp: | just run 'mythtv-setup' |
| [05:10:42] | wagnerrp: | it has 6 menu options |
| [05:10:42] | zanberdo_: | fair play |
| [05:10:45] | wagnerrp: | go to the first one |
| [05:10:54] | zanberdo_: | on it |
| [05:10:57] | wagnerrp: | the settings you need will be on the first page |
| [05:11:23] | zanberdo_: | right there in big white letters... |
| [05:11:33] | ** zanberdo_ smacks head. ** | |
| [05:11:45] | zanberdo_: | guess I should have gone there as opposed to the db when I changed IP |
| [05:12:57] | zanberdo_: | well, that solved it, thanks mate |
| [05:13:47] | zanberdo_: | lazy question: how can I change channels with my kb? ( I know I need to RTFM, but since I have you...) |
| [05:14:06] | zanberdo_: | nm |
| [05:20:36] | zanberdo_: | it appears as though I'm not able to switch between the two tuners. pressing 'c' only displays 'tuner 1' and looking at frontend log (http://pastebin.ca/1505359) shows attempt to change from LiveTV to none. |
| [05:21:01] | zanberdo_: | I configured the second tuner and scanned for channels. It appears to have worked, as I have a channel line up |
| [05:21:59] | wagnerrp: | not found |
| [05:22:14] | wagnerrp: | bah... damn you beirdo |
| [05:23:20] | wagnerrp: | that line just means youre exiting livetv |
| [05:23:44] | zanberdo_: | ok |
| [05:23:48] | wagnerrp: | the tuners are not on the same source? |
| [05:24:05] | wagnerrp: | one digital, and one analog capture or something? |
| [05:24:44] | zanberdo_: | I'm using a splitter from my cable line and feeding from a single cable to the two ports on the 1600 which has an analog and a digital tuner |
| [05:24:55] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [05:24:59] | zanberdo_: | does that answer your question? (unclear if that's what you were looking for) |
| [05:25:10] | zanberdo_: | I've created two capture cards in setup |
| [05:25:15] | wagnerrp: | so the 'second card' is the digital one |
| [05:25:25] | zanberdo_: | aye |
| [05:25:33] | zanberdo_: | and two sources, one called analog and the other digital |
| [05:25:58] | zanberdo_: | I've associated Digital card to the DVB connection |
| [05:26:07] | zanberdo_: | and of course Analog with Tuner1 |
| [05:26:13] | wagnerrp: | right, and if you scanned for channels, that means you have properly bound the source to the card |
| [05:26:30] | zanberdo_: | that's what I expected |
| [05:26:31] | zanberdo_: | yes |
| [05:26:35] | wagnerrp: | TBH, ive never used the 'c' button |
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| [05:26:54] | wagnerrp: | however if you press 'm', and scroll to the available tuners, it will only list unused tuners |
| [05:27:00] | wagnerrp: | it will not list the one you are currently using |
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| [05:27:18] | zanberdo_: | didn't try 'm', just 'c' |
| [05:27:26] | zanberdo_: | willing to have a go at it now though |
| [05:27:29] | wagnerrp: | so if 'c' behaves the same way, it will only ever show the other tuner |
| [05:27:54] | wagnerrp: | there will only ever be one listed (unless it is already recording in which case none will be listed) |
| [05:28:09] | zanberdo_: | still new territory for me... |
| [05:28:28] | zanberdo_: | I'd expected that 'c' would change tuner. I hadn't tried 'm' |
| [05:28:32] | zanberdo_: | trying now though |
| [05:28:56] | zanberdo_: | ah, well, it's a start... |
| [05:30:02] | zanberdo_: | yes, m does produce the menu as I expect it should and I can then change input to the other tuner. |
| [05:30:12] | zanberdo_: | so, whilst 'c' does nothing (apparently) I can change via m |
| [05:30:25] | zanberdo_: | now the fact that I get no stations is altogether another issue ... |
| [05:31:36] | wagnerrp: | did the scan fail? |
| [05:32:12] | zanberdo_: | no, the scan found a number of channels (all unknown, but I guess that's to be expected as I have no channel service defined at this time – though I could be wrong about this last statement) |
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| [05:32:45] | wagnerrp: | if the scan picked up channels, they should be tunable |
| [05:33:07] | zanberdo_: | of course, I'm not entirely certain of what the scan should find. you see, I have only just bought this set and when I scanned for stations with the built-in tuner it found quite a few channels I had no idea were available (digital stations) |
| [05:33:21] | zanberdo_: | maybe I should rescan |
| [05:33:44] | wagnerrp: | scanning of digital cable should show all your local broadcast channels, usually named |
| [05:34:04] | wagnerrp: | it may also show additional cable channels, which will likely not be named |
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| [05:34:50] | zanberdo_: | hmmm... I'm assuming I should choose the frequency table 'cable' and modulation cable (QAM-256) |
| [05:34:57] | wagnerrp: | thats correct |
| [05:35:12] | zanberdo_: | in so far as atsc channel separator, my set tuner displayed them with a dash separator. is that important? |
| [05:35:35] | _freeloader101_: | hey guys, what tv tuner card would you recommend? |
| [05:35:36] | wagnerrp: | personal preference only |
| [05:35:45] | wagnerrp: | those names can be changed afterwards as well |
| [05:35:55] | zanberdo_: | ok, it's purely aesthetics then |
| [05:36:01] | wagnerrp: | _freeloader101_: thats an ambiguous question... what form of tuner card? |
| [05:36:30] | _freeloader101_: | wagnerrp: i really don't know. this is gonna be my first htpc. i want to be able to record Comcast (that's my cable provider) digital television |
| [05:36:47] | _freeloader101_: | i also have an 8800gts from which I can play back the recorded or transfered content |
| [05:37:18] | wagnerrp: | 640MB or 512MB? |
| [05:37:23] | _freeloader101_: | 320mb |
| [05:37:30] | _freeloader101_: | the 8800gts, that is |
| [05:37:43] | wagnerrp: | well that 8800 happens to be overkill and underkill, both at the same time |
| [05:37:54] | _freeloader101_: | *sigh* |
| [05:37:54] | _freeloader101_: | how so? |
| [05:38:45] | wagnerrp: | traditionally, mythtv doesnt use anything more than Xv, which means the lowliest nvidia card (or intel, or ati if you can get their drivers working) is no different from the most powerful |
| [05:39:20] | _freeloader101_: | so what's the lowliest gpu that can output 1080p? |
| [05:39:24] | wagnerrp: | you also happen to have the very last nvidia chip revision without hardware decode acceleration under linux |
| [05:39:42] | wagnerrp: | the G80 chips dont support it, all other 8-series and better do |
| [05:39:43] | zanberdo_: | since _freeloader101_ has brought this up, would the fact that my connection between my htpc and my hdtv at 24hz account for the choppy display? |
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| [05:40:27] | _freeloader101_: | so my 8800gts is too new? |
| [05:40:30] | wagnerrp: | zanberdo_: unless you forcefully changed it in xorg.conf, you should be running 60fps |
| [05:40:34] | _freeloader101_: | or too old? |
| [05:40:58] | wagnerrp: | its more high end than you need, and its too old for decode acceleration |
| [05:41:02] | wagnerrp: | but anyway, i digress |
| [05:41:04] | _freeloader101_: | lol |
| [05:41:22] | wagnerrp: | you have three options |
| [05:41:28] | zanberdo_: | hmm.. I made no changes to xorg.conf, but it's an integrated ati chipset running the proprietary drivers available to ubuntu so maybe I need to get into the display settings. |
| [05:41:39] | wagnerrp: | four actually |
| [05:41:45] | wagnerrp: | direct digital recording with a QAM tuner |
| [05:41:59] | wagnerrp: | direct digital recording over firewire with your STB |
| [05:42:16] | wagnerrp: | analog capture from your STB |
| [05:42:22] | zanberdo_: | ah ha, it's in the catalyst control center as fixed at 24hz. easy fix. |
| [05:42:30] | wagnerrp: | analog tuning from the cable |
| [05:42:52] | wagnerrp: | zanberdo_: oof... ATI, ati boards usually cause considerable difficulty under linux |
| [05:43:05] | _freeloader101_: | since comcasts has gone digital, do the analog options still apply? |
| [05:43:20] | wagnerrp: | _freeloader101_: the second two options (the analog ones), should be used with a PVR150 or 500 |
| [05:43:34] | wagnerrp: | theyre typically no longer for sale, but you can pick one up off ebay |
| [05:43:47] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you can use a HVR1600 |
| [05:43:59] | wagnerrp: | comcast has been dropping channels off their analog lineups |
| [05:44:05] | wagnerrp: | but you can still capture analog off your STB |
| [05:44:19] | wagnerrp: | and in fact, that is the ONLY method guaranteed to get all the channels you have purchased |
| [05:44:30] | _freeloader101_: | hey, the hvr1600 seems like a good choice |
| [05:44:55] | wagnerrp: | second is capturing firewire off your STB |
| [05:45:13] | wagnerrp: | you may get a number of channels over that, you may get nothing, it all depends on what your cableco decides to encrypt |
| [05:45:37] | wagnerrp: | similarly, with a digital tuner, you may get a number of channels, you may get nothing more than your local broadcast channels |
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| [05:45:47] | wagnerrp: | whatever you cableco decides to encrypt |
| [05:46:06] | _freeloader101_: | brb gonna look at my stb |
| [05:46:26] | zanberdo_: | wagnerrp, aye, but it's integrated into this mb, so it's what I have for the moment. |
| [05:46:39] | wagnerrp: | you can check http://www.silicondust.com for an idea of what your QAM lineup in your area should be |
| [05:47:18] | wagnerrp: | zanberdo_: you might want to check that as well... should be http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . ineup_441164 |
| [05:47:54] | zanberdo_: | thanks |
| [05:48:02] | zanberdo_: | I'm reloading desktop atm, but I'll check it out |
| [05:51:11] | _freeloader101_: | wagnerrp: my comcast stb has rca output. would that be good enough? |
| [05:51:26] | wagnerrp: | composite would work, svideo would be better |
| [05:51:36] | zanberdo_: | wow! changing from 24hz to 60hz made it worse! yikes |
| [05:58:47] | zanberdo_: | wagnerrp, thank you for all your help. I'm making progress as a result. I appreciate you taking your time to assist. |
| [05:58:50] | _freeloader101_: | wagnerrp: my stb has an digital cable input & what seems to be analog output which goes directly to the tv |
| [05:59:17] | _freeloader101_: | couldn't I record everything that's coming out of that analog output? |
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| [05:59:36] | wagnerrp: | _freeloader101_: with an mpeg encoder like a 150/500/1600 |
| [05:59:39] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [06:00:23] | _freeloader101_: | however, currently the way it seems it works is that I use the comcast digital remote to switch channels, so would the tv tuner remote be controlling the stb? |
| [06:00:40] | _freeloader101_: | i don't understand how this could work out |
| [06:00:57] | _freeloader101_: | since i can't directly tap into the digital stream because much of it could be encrypted.. |
| [06:01:01] | wagnerrp: | not exactly, you can either use an ir blaster to send the remote signals to the STB, or you can control it directly with the firewire port |
| [06:01:23] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you can also try to capture directly off the firewire port |
| [06:01:35] | _freeloader101_: | ok, where is the firewire port? |
| [06:01:39] | _freeloader101_: | on the htpc? |
| [06:01:40] | wagnerrp: | on the STB |
| [06:01:44] | _freeloader101_: | i didn't see one |
| [06:02:12] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to swap your STB for one that provides firewire |
| [06:02:26] | wagnerrp: | comcast is required to make one available upon request |
| [06:02:40] | _freeloader101_: | ohhhh how interesting |
| [06:02:42] | wagnerrp: | however there is nothing saying what content they have to offer over it unencrypted |
| [06:02:54] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, you may get a lot of channels over it, you may get none |
| [06:02:59] | _freeloader101_: | ok, so i get that.. and I can capture ANY chan that i'm receiving right? |
| [06:03:01] | _freeloader101_: | ohhh |
| [06:03:06] | _freeloader101_: | even with the firewire? |
| [06:03:13] | wagnerrp: | but if nothing else, it will offer a means of changing the channel on the STB |
| [06:03:25] | wagnerrp: | all channels are available over firewire |
| [06:03:47] | wagnerrp: | however firewire devices are required to follow copy rules |
| [06:03:50] | _freeloader101_: | as in all non-premium channels that don't require a specific subscription? |
| [06:04:01] | _freeloader101_: | just as an example, cnn, right? |
| [06:04:22] | wagnerrp: | if a show is flagged 'copy once/never' it will be encrypted over firewire, and will require a handshake process that mythtv is not capable of |
| [06:04:30] | _freeloader101_: | ohh |
| [06:04:41] | _freeloader101_: | so what's the way around that? analog recording? |
| [06:04:42] | wagnerrp: | it depends entirely on how anal your cableco is |
| [06:05:13] | wagnerrp: | some users get nearly all their channels over firewire, some might only get local broadcast channels, some get none |
| [06:05:42] | _freeloader101_: | ok, but one thing is for sure: if i go digital, i may not be able to record some chans, right? |
| [06:05:42] | wagnerrp: | the same limitation exists with a digital tuner (although they are required to provide at least the local broadcast channels over unencrypted QAM) |
| [06:05:56] | wagnerrp: | the only guaranteed method is analog capture off the STB |
| [06:06:14] | wagnerrp: | currently, that limits you to standard definition |
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| [06:06:27] | _freeloader101_: | wow |
| [06:06:32] | wagnerrp: | however the next version of mythtv will be able to use the HDPVR, which can record HD analog over component |
| [06:06:48] | _freeloader101_: | when is the next version coming? |
| [06:07:03] | wagnerrp: | one to several months |
| [06:07:11] | wagnerrp: | almost certainly before the end of the year |
| [06:07:33] | _freeloader101_: | brb |
| [06:08:18] | _freeloader101_: | i was trying to read up on some terminology because i feel very inhibited.. what is the wire called through which cable internet/tv comes in? |
| [06:08:27] | _freeloader101_: | rf? |
| [06:08:35] | wagnerrp: | cable, coax, rg6 |
| [06:08:41] | _freeloader101_: | ty, coax is what i was looking for |
| [06:08:43] | wagnerrp: | rf is the signal, radio frequency |
| [06:09:08] | _freeloader101_: | so it seems like digital coax connection comes into the stb and what comes out MUST be analog because it goes into a rather dated hdtv |
| [06:09:11] | _freeloader101_: | am i correct to assume this? |
| [06:09:39] | wagnerrp: | digital coming out of a STB will be through DVI, HDMI or firewire |
| [06:09:43] | wagnerrp: | everything else will be analog |
| [06:10:09] | _freeloader101_: | ok, so even a cheap 'ole analog tv tuner card could record anything thru this then? |
| [06:10:17] | zanberdo_: | question: what property of the hdtv tuner permits it to tune analog and digital signals ? that is, I bought the 1600 because I wanted both and it was my understanding that there wasn't a tuner available for the pc that would tune both on a single tuner. was that incorrect? |
| [06:11:13] | wagnerrp: | most digital tuner cards are actually called 'hybrid tuners', as they have a single tuner that does both analog and digital |
| [06:11:32] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 and 1800 cards are the rare exception that are actually a dual tuner, one analog and one digital |
| [06:12:19] | wagnerrp: | they are also the rare exception that actually has an mpeg encoder, nearly all hybrid tuners just have cheap framegrabbers for the analog side |
| [06:13:44] | zanberdo_: | ah |
| [06:13:55] | _freeloader101_: | wagnerrp: so is there a tv card that can record an analog stream as well as output 1080p? |
| [06:13:55] | zanberdo_: | and it's that mpeg encoder I was after I believe |
| [06:14:42] | wagnerrp: | _freeloader101_: ATI makes such a card, the All In Wonder line (at least they used to), and they are almost invariably unsupported in linux |
| [06:14:54] | wagnerrp: | no, you want to stick with separate tuner and graphics cards |
| [06:15:08] | _freeloader101_: | hey, i thought all in wonders might be out of production by now |
| [06:15:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont know if they still make them |
| [06:15:44] | _freeloader101_: | hmm so what kind of tv tuner card would you recommend then? is there any point to buying a good one if all i need is one that captures analog? |
| [06:15:44] | wagnerrp: | anyway, stick with separate parts |
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| [06:16:17] | wagnerrp: | you WANT an mpeg encoder, which means anything that is supported by the ivtv drivers... ivtvdriver.org |
| [06:16:32] | _freeloader101_: | ty |
| [06:17:05] | wagnerrp: | currently the HVR1600 is the only one still in production |
| [06:17:12] | zanberdo_: | that's the model I have |
| [06:17:15] | wagnerrp: | but you can find older ones online |
| [06:17:17] | zanberdo_: | (just as a side) |
| [06:17:19] | _freeloader101_: | well i like that one |
| [06:17:24] | wagnerrp: | i use a pair of 150s personally |
| [06:17:40] | wagnerrp: | the 1800 *should* work, when someone gets around to fixing the analog driver |
| [06:17:45] | wagnerrp: | it currently doesnt play nice with mythtv |
| [06:17:47] | _freeloader101_: | and for 1080p output what card would you recommend? |
| [06:17:53] | zanberdo_: | so, I've got both my analog and digital feeds working (in a manner of speaking). For some reaslon I'm getting a horrible delay in the broadcast for both tuners though... |
| [06:18:06] | wagnerrp: | and the 2250 does not support analog under linux at all yet |
| [06:18:21] | wagnerrp: | any modern graphics card would do |
| [06:18:25] | wagnerrp: | nvidia is preferred |
| [06:18:30] | zanberdo_: | I changed my display to 60hz from 24hz, but I can't imagine that would have anything to do with it, would it? |
| [06:18:36] | _freeloader101_: | well 8800gts isn't modern enough.. |
| [06:19:01] | wagnerrp: | a (G80) 8800 will work just fine |
| [06:19:26] | wagnerrp: | but you wont be able to use the hardware video decoding available in other 8-series cards |
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| [06:19:38] | wagnerrp: | that is currently supported in the developmental version of trunk |
| [06:20:01] | wagnerrp: | although for most purposes, CPU-based decoding is more than sufficient |
| [06:20:01] | _freeloader101_: | ohh so then my cpu will need to handle all the decoding? |
| [06:20:03] | zanberdo_: | something is amiss here... top shows Xorg at 92% CPU utilization and the whole system is slow to repond. |
| [06:20:04] | _freeloader101_: | aha |
| [06:20:15] | _freeloader101_: | so will a single core cpu be sufficient? |
| [06:20:22] | wagnerrp: | what is this CPU? |
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| [06:20:36] | zanberdo_: | mine? dual-core AMD 64 |
| [06:20:38] | _freeloader101_: | central processing unit a.k.a. processor |
| [06:20:45] | _freeloader101_: | ohhh i'm sorry |
| [06:21:00] | _freeloader101_: | lol i see how patronizing that might have looked |
| [06:21:12] | _freeloader101_: | my cpu is amd64 4000+ |
| [06:21:12] | Oo is now known as `0OoOoO0OoOoO0` | |
| [06:21:14] | _freeloader101_: | single core.. |
| [06:21:51] | wagnerrp: | a 4000+ will manage any ATSC/QAM recording, and anything standard definition |
| [06:22:05] | _freeloader101_: | yeah well i want 1080p as well |
| [06:22:10] | _freeloader101_: | so is that sufficient? |
| [06:22:22] | wagnerrp: | it will probably be insufficient for HDPVR recordings as well as Bluray/HDDVD |
| [06:22:38] | wagnerrp: | certainly for the latter, probably for the former |
| [06:22:50] | _freeloader101_: | no problem, i'll just get some cheap, recent gfx card |
| [06:22:55] | _freeloader101_: | and it will have passive cooling.. |
| [06:23:10] | _freeloader101_: | that shouldn't be a problem, as far as heat goes, right? |
| [06:23:41] | wagnerrp: | no, ive got a passive 8400 with next to no airflow, running at 45C |
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| [06:24:55] | wagnerrp: | im off to bed... night |
| [06:25:11] | _freeloader101_: | 'night |
| [06:25:24] | zanberdo_: | thanks again |
| [06:25:32] | _freeloader101_: | thanks from me as well |
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| [08:36:36] | juski: | blimmin hell how infrequently does the -dev list get posted to these days? |
| [08:44:36] | Dibblah: | Not that infrequently... |
| [08:44:49] | Dibblah: | juski: How's your knowledge on qstrings? ;) |
| [08:45:17] | Dibblah: | I'm seeing if I can track down this backend memory leak that may or may not exist. |
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| [08:50:01] | juski: | hrm |
| [08:50:20] | juski: | wouldn't bet your house on it ;) |
| [08:50:36] | juski: | I've used qstrings once or twice |
| [09:00:21] | Dibblah: | Yeah, that's my problem too. |
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| [09:34:06] | anykey_: | juski: probably going to have a look at the variable button stuff again, I read myself into the mythtv source this night ;) |
| [09:34:49] | juski: | w00t! :) |
| [09:35:17] | juski: | you'll make a lot .. well a few..people happy if you can make it work |
| [09:35:35] | anykey_: | I'll make myself happy, thats point no. 1 ;-) |
| [09:35:47] | juski: | just remember not to change the drawarea of the text element ;) |
| [09:35:54] | anykey_: | heh |
| [09:36:27] | juski: | the whole thing centres around changing the size of the parent area I think |
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| [09:56:00] | juski: | once that's done I think it should be pretty straightforward to do the rest like rejig visible item calculation & positioning |
| [09:56:17] | juski: | and balancing/spacing/centering |
| [09:56:27] | juski: | and paths(?) |
| [09:58:53] | juski: | what I couldn't quite figure out was how come the button area wasn't being clipped – like the child element (text) could be bigger than the whole button area & yet still be displayed. I thought all the draw area of a button would be clipped to the buttonarea |
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| [10:42:33] | ruskie: | note to self: if having more than 4gb of mem in a linux system MAKE sure you run hugemem kernels |
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| [10:46:46] | janneg: | wrong, make sure you're running 64bit kernel |
| [10:50:31] | juski: | bloody ebay. what on Earth happened to the 2nd hand marketplace? USED gear is going for more than it sells for in the shops |
| [10:51:25] | Dibblah: | juski: Bathtub curve. |
| [10:51:37] | Dibblah: | That, and people are stupid. |
| [10:51:54] | Dibblah: | Otherwise known as "competitive" |
| [10:52:47] | juski: | after something like a Behringer Xenix & a condenser mic. I have a USB condenser mic but even with ASIO the latency sucks |
| [10:52:58] | Dibblah: | As evidenced by the reams of people on http://www.swoopo.co.uk/ |
| [10:53:03] | juski: | for monitoring, I mean |
| [10:53:24] | Dibblah: | If you don't want latency, don't use USB. |
| [10:53:45] | juski: | firewire ftw? |
| [10:53:51] | Dibblah: | PCI. |
| [10:53:55] | juski: | bugger |
| [10:54:08] | Dibblah: | What are you using it for that latency matters? |
| [10:54:19] | Dibblah: | And what sort of oom are you seeing? |
| [10:54:26] | juski: | oom? |
| [10:54:33] | Dibblah: | order of magnitude |
| [10:54:38] | juski: | ms |
| [10:55:00] | juski: | sounds like a slight flange speaking into the mic & listening in phones |
| [10:55:28] | juski: | put it this way, there can be feedback using speakers to monitor, not echos that build up ;) |
| [10:55:33] | Dibblah: | Why are you mixing the mic into the output anyway? |
| [10:55:40] | Dibblah: | (monitor output) |
| [10:55:41] | juski: | monitoring the mic |
| [10:56:04] | juski: | because if you're trying to talk over something, it helps to be able to hear both |
| [10:56:27] | Dibblah: | Hmm. USB soundcard for the monitor too? |
| [10:56:30] | juski: | and any delay hearing your own voice really messes with your head |
| [10:56:38] | Dibblah: | Yeah, I know. |
| [10:56:44] | juski: | tried that, it's lower latency than my onboard |
| [10:57:08] | Dibblah: | Only real solution is mix in hardware. |
| [10:57:15] | juski: | yeah I know that now |
| [10:57:16] | AndyCap: | find a soundcard that has a mointor output? |
| [10:57:28] | juski: | or hack open my USB mic & give it analogue output too |
| [10:57:31] | Dibblah: | AndyCap: Most fake the monitor. |
| [10:57:44] | Dibblah: | ie it's software. |
| [10:57:46] | AndyCap: | built by the lowest bidder. :( |
| [10:58:22] | juski: | I think I've got latency down to the speed of the interface & conversion time both ways but it's still noticable |
| [10:59:31] | AndyCap: | on a totally different note. are there any alternatives to HVR-2250 for europeans with DVB-c? |
| [10:59:43] | Dibblah: | Yes. Look on dvbshop. |
| [11:00:03] | AndyCap: | was thinking more of a specific model. :P |
| [11:00:16] | juski: | yeah so the ideal is to put a real mic into an analogue mixer, capture that (even over USB). Output to PFL channel on mixer & listen to both mic & stereo mix from computer but record only the mic output in realtime |
| [11:00:22] | AndyCap: | since the cablestar 2HD is full of fail. :P |
| [11:00:33] | AndyCap: | or rather the driver is |
| [11:00:34] | juski: | I don't care much if my speech is 20ms late :) |
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| [11:01:24] | juski: | monitoring audio via a PC is akin to listening to the playback head of a multitrack while you're recording |
| [11:01:53] | juski: | erm..if it has no analogue monitoring path |
| [11:02:20] | AndyCap: | how far away are they in time? |
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| [11:02:29] | juski: | they're very very close |
| [11:02:30] | AndyCap: | half a second? |
| [11:02:37] | AndyCap: | ok. :P |
| [11:02:51] | juski: | nah, very short 'slapback' at worst |
| [11:03:05] | juski: | at best, a bit flangey |
| [11:03:30] | juski: | course if you crank up the ASIO bufferring... you can build it up |
| [11:04:08] | juski: | so, I just need a nice ickle mixer with headphone output & a quiet mic stage |
| [11:08:55] | juski: | btw Dibblah without ASIO, the latency is of the order of half seconds ;) |
| [11:09:33] | ** Dibblah wonders why dvbshop.net dies so often. ** | |
| [11:11:47] | AndyCap: | Dibblah: because they don't make enough money for a proper server? heh, didn't work for me either |
| [11:12:02] | AndyCap: | at least they've been around a few years. |
| [11:12:22] | juski: | maybe they've just been too tight to invest ;-) |
| [11:12:43] | juski: | hmm upgrade server or have another prostitute & cocaine binge.... |
| [11:12:57] | juski: | decisions, decisions... |
| [11:13:07] | AndyCap: | Hmm, mythtv wiki database really needs to allow shorter searchwords. |
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| [11:13:10] | AndyCap: | like DVB.. |
| [11:13:30] | Dibblah: | dvb-t |
| [11:13:31] | juski: | wonder if there's any way to enable auto-linking in there |
| [11:13:31] | Dibblah: | dvb-c |
| [11:13:34] | Dibblah: | /... |
| [11:13:56] | juski: | that'd be nice. Easy indexing :) |
| [11:14:13] | AndyCap: | didn't get any hits on DVB-C I guess it ignores the data |
| [11:14:20] | AndyCap: | and yes,, you can get autolinking. |
| [11:15:00] | AndyCap: | mediawiki does it for instance if you type RFC1149 and linkes it to appropriate ietf page |
| [11:15:14] | AndyCap: | uhh, fail. I mean it ignores the hypen |
| [11:15:16] | AndyCap: | hyphen.. |
| [11:15:40] | AndyCap: | so it sees it a three-letter word followed by on-letter word. |
| [11:15:49] | AndyCap: | and it wants 4 letters to index it |
| [11:16:29] | juski: | I'll give it 4 letters |
| [11:18:13] | AndyCap: | Dibblah: iirc it's called "Magic words" in mediawiki |
| [11:19:35] | juski: | heh that swoopo site is a great scam |
| [11:19:53] | AndyCap: | or no. maybe just Magic. :P |
| [11:19:55] | AndyCap: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic |
| [11:20:39] | juski: | you buy 'bids' but every 'bid' increases the price. the more people bid, the more money swoopo get, and this effectively pays for the item and makes em a tidy profit |
| [11:20:43] | juski: | bonkers |
| [11:20:57] | AndyCap: | oh, that scam |
| [11:21:28] | AndyCap: | disguised lottery |
| [11:21:41] | AndyCap: | nooh, it's an auction. RLY! |
| [11:22:30] | AndyCap: | The \u2018last bidder standing\u2019 when the countdown reaches zero, wins the auction \u2013 usually at a very low price; winners save, on average, 65% when compared to the recommended retail price. |
| [11:22:50] | AndyCap: | and the losers, well, that's all of you. |
| [11:23:22] | AndyCap: | our streamlined organization and strong work ethic. |
| [11:23:24] | juski: | wish I'd thought of it! |
| [11:23:47] | AndyCap: | juski: well, there's enough dolts for you to start one too |
| [11:24:10] | AndyCap: | don't remember which one they market heavily here now, through the wonders of off-shore tv. |
| [11:24:33] | AndyCap: | ah, mr123 |
| [11:25:06] | juski: | damn you bidup.tv |
| [11:25:38] | AndyCap: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7793054.stm |
| [11:26:09] | AndyCap: | madbid.com? how many of these sites are there? |
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| [11:29:27] | AndyCap: | anyhow. setting ft_min_word_len = 3 in my.cnf and rebuilding the text index would let people search on 3 letter words. |
| [11:29:36] | AndyCap: | (and grow your index by a bit. :P) |
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| [12:55:33] | Essobi: | Morning! |
| [12:58:54] | Essobi: | Meh.. someone gimme a google voice invite. :\ |
| [13:01:20] | juski: | a/s/l ? |
| [13:03:51] | sid3windr: | a wut? |
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| [13:05:51] | juski: | all your phone are belong to us |
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| [13:07:03] | yomm: | Is the only way to for accessing videos on a frontend connecting to a remote backend to 'softlink or smb share' the remote video path ? cant it just stream the video ? |
| [13:07:49] | juski: | not in 0.21-fixes it can't |
| [13:08:01] | juski: | it'll be in 0.22 |
| [13:09:04] | juski: | FWIW don't use SAMBA. nfs ftw |
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| [13:11:22] | yomm: | juski : Is there a way of setting up automating that nfs mounting process from the backend side ? |
| [13:11:38] | GreyFoxx: | No, you set your Frontend to auto mount it |
| [13:12:02] | yomm: | k thanks |
| [13:12:05] | GreyFoxx: | usually with an entry in your fstab |
| [13:16:36] | yomm: | when is 0.22 due , can I get source ? |
| [13:16:48] | sid3windr: | when it's done, and yes you can. |
| [13:22:37] | GreyFoxx: | you can download the development code that will become 0.22 now, but a specific date for 0.22 hasn;'t been set |
| [13:22:45] | GreyFoxx: | but it likely wont be more than a couple months away |
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| [13:25:26] | anykey_: | Is the channel scanner broken in trunk? It used to scan all frequencies it found in the NIT, but now it only scans one transponder |
| [13:25:59] | Dibblah: | anykey_: Don't watch the commits list much, then? ;) |
| [13:26:12] | anykey_: | Dibblah: saw something NIT related, but that didn't fix it |
| [13:26:18] | ** anykey_ goes to have a look ** | |
| [13:26:41] | Dibblah: | 6753 |
| [13:26:42] | Dibblah: | 6 |
| [13:26:44] | Dibblah: | even |
| [13:26:49] | anykey_: | yeah, just saw it |
| [13:26:57] | anykey_: | problem 1 remains, sorry for the noise then ;) |
| [13:27:23] | Dibblah: | And – Wow, Simon – What an original thought. |
| [13:27:41] | Dibblah: | I'm sure noone has actually thought that would be a good idea. |
| [13:28:35] | juski: | main menu customisation? heh |
| [13:28:51] | Dibblah: | Well, actually, no. |
| [13:29:01] | juski: | yeah I mean in blootube-wide I was gonna put news tickers & disk usage pie charts but I just couldn't be bothered! |
| [13:29:05] | Dibblah: | You definitely can't do it to that level with mythui yet. |
| [13:29:41] | juski: | isn't the miniplayer mythui'd? |
| [13:29:47] | Dibblah: | Okay – So with self-modifying xml you _might_ be able to do it. |
| [13:29:47] | juski: | or does that steal focus |
| [13:36:11] | quinten: | hey, any recommends on a decent low-profile card that does analog ntsc? plus if it also can handle atsc or clear qam, plus if has a dual-tuner capability |
| [13:36:27] | quinten: | but ideally i would stay well under $100, so maybe impossible |
| [13:37:02] | quinten: | there don't seem to be a lot of low profile cards, and especially the focus has moved away from analog, but i would like to capture the analog basic cable tier, which comcast encrypts |
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| [13:37:44] | juski: | low profile _and_ dual tuner? heh |
| [13:38:05] | sphery: | quinten: don't know if they have a low-profile one, but you want the Hauppauge HVR-1600 for NTSC + ATSC |
| [13:38:07] | juski: | solution: get a bigger case, build a nice cabinet to hide it |
| [13:38:23] | sphery: | or put it in a different room and run cables through/around walls |
| [13:38:44] | juski: | then you can stuff it full of tuner cards & HDDs & not have to worry about it being noisy/fugly either :) |
| [13:38:59] | quinten: | the extra channels aren't *That* important to me, i already have a working setup with hd homerun |
| [13:39:10] | quinten: | just moved though, and now have more local analog only channels |
| [13:39:41] | sphery: | another option is to get a PVR-150 (assuming you already have ATSC) from ebay |
| [13:39:48] | sphery: | might even be able to find low-profile for that |
| [13:39:56] | sphery: | but it won't do ATSC |
| [13:40:04] | quinten: | is that the best one still? for analog |
| [13:40:25] | sphery: | HVR-1600 replaced it in the US market, but it's not low-profile |
| [13:40:36] | quinten: | that's kind of what i was leaning to, based on my research so far, but there's not a lot of new information about it in the last couple years |
| [13:40:41] | sphery: | and its only real benefit over the PVR-150 is that it has an ATSC tuner |
| [13:41:09] | sphery: | i.e. it's a PVR-150 + HVR-1250 on one card (though without the useless HVR-1250 frame grabber) |
| [13:41:10] | quinten: | are there any good usb devices that work with myth? |
| [13:41:36] | juski: | not many USB fans here |
| [13:41:39] | sphery: | I can't recommend any, but can recommend: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| [13:41:41] | quinten: | yeah i would prefer a hardware encoder |
| [13:41:50] | ** sphery is one of those who is not a USB fan ** | |
| [13:42:09] | sphery: | BTW, http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1600.html |
| [13:43:01] | quinten: | any thoughts on whether my analog capture card will be a paperweight within the next year? |
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| [13:43:32] | quinten: | that's the only real reason i am interested in atsc, so that at least i can add a third tuner |
| [13:46:48] | sphery: | all depends on your cable company... Though, if nothing else, the analog could be used to capture the output of an STB (for those channels your cable company encrypts) |
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| [13:56:19] | quinten: | one more question. i have been experiencing this bug for a long time, with intermittent unresponsiveness to keyboard output |
| [13:56:29] | quinten: | it just got closed on the bug tracker, claims to be fixed in trunk |
| [13:56:43] | quinten: | how usable is trunk now? when i last tried, the menus, etc, were only half-implemented |
| [13:56:49] | quinten: | and very slow |
| [14:00:17] | coldpenguin: | I recently moved from .20 to trunk |
| [14:00:44] | coldpenguin: | I would say maybe 10% slower on the blootube theme, and it seems a lot slower on GANT |
| [14:01:09] | coldpenguin: | It appeared to be trying to refresh preview images I think (was an awful lot slower when they didn't exist) |
| [14:01:54] | coldpenguin: | It kinda works for me, DVB-T works, DVB-S doesn't work with EIT in my case. This is probably user error, but haven't found the error yet! |
| [14:02:05] | tmkt: | i really do love mythtv |
| [14:02:25] | tmkt: | Mepo theme is my favourite...just it has been locking up my front end since installilng it |
| [14:02:28] | tmkt: | not sure hy |
| [14:02:51] | AndyCap: | So, how does one go about stopping the providers from encrap^H^Hypting everything. :) |
| [14:04:53] | quinten: | yeah, mepo is the theme i use. i didn't consider that could be a source of the problem |
| [14:05:11] | quinten: | although actually i think i still had it with other themes |
| [14:05:29] | Essobi: | http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-07-20/ |
| [14:06:25] | tmkt: | hmm...dunno...never had any freezing up problems until mepo :( |
| [14:07:06] | coldpenguin: | How quickly is it freezing? And is it a hard-freeze? |
| [14:07:35] | tmkt: | i can ssh in.. |
| [14:07:37] | tmkt: | and kill the front end |
| [14:07:39] | tmkt: | then restart it |
| [14:07:41] | tmkt: | and all good |
| [14:08:01] | tmkt: | i thought it had to do with the screensaver coming on |
| [14:08:07] | tmkt: | but this morning i came down |
| [14:08:09] | tmkt: | turned the tv on |
| [14:08:14] | coldpenguin: | I had problems with one of my systems last night, that was running terra |
| [14:08:22] | coldpenguin: | I could alt-tab and Ctrl-C |
| [14:08:25] | tmkt: | and the scerensaver wasn't there, because i had left mythtv channel |
| [14:08:28] | tmkt: | so i hit Back |
| [14:08:43] | tmkt: | and then it frozed |
| [14:08:47] | coldpenguin: | Most of the time my systems have been restarted frequently recently |
| [14:09:15] | tmkt: | blootube, and luise or something like that |
| [14:09:19] | tmkt: | dont freeze for weeks |
| [14:10:27] | coldpenguin: | Was your backend happy still? The terra system I had froze at a point where I had restarted the MBE, so I couldn't really blame it. I don't think this is consistent with yours |
| [14:15:24] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [14:15:26] | tmkt: | backend all good |
| [14:15:44] | tmkt: | recording is continue..mythweb all happy |
| [14:18:31] | sphery: | quinten: I'd recommend sticking with -fixes rather than moving to trunk. Though the ticket was closed, "/appears/ to be fixed in trunk," that was only a guess because none of the devs have been able to reproduce the issue. |
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| [14:18:39] | sphery: | quinten: I /still/ believe it's a system configuration issue. |
| [14:18:56] | sphery: | I.e. something like the user didn't enabled UseEvents for the NVIDIA driver |
| [14:19:04] | sphery: | or the user is using a broken Mesa version |
| [14:19:05] | sphery: | or ...\ |
| [14:19:38] | sphery: | quinten: oh, and none of the devs were able to reproduce the issue on -fixes, either |
| [14:19:54] | quinten: | hmm, well i have use events enabled, and just a stock mythbuntu install |
| [14:20:09] | quinten: | no funky libraries that i can think of |
| [14:20:12] | sphery: | basically, it wasn't a bug report, but a symptom report and there was not enough information to even determine if it is a bug |
| [14:20:19] | sphery: | what mesa version? |
| [14:22:16] | quinten: | 7.2–1 |
| [14:22:29] | sphery: | I think that one should be fine. |
| [14:22:49] | sphery: | 7.3 and 7.4.x are likely bad. 7.5 may or may not be. |
| [14:23:26] | sphery: | is the unresponsiveness only during video playback or all the time? |
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| [14:24:34] | quinten: | just video playback |
| [14:25:09] | sphery: | What nvidia driver version? |
| [14:26:25] | quinten: | i think 180.25 |
| [14:26:39] | quinten: | can't recall if i upgraded it manually later, that's the version in apt database |
| [14:27:10] | sphery: | If you can, you might want to try a 17x version... |
| [14:27:27] | quinten: | need the hdmi audio support |
| [14:28:04] | quinten: | i also disabled screensavers, etc |
| [14:28:17] | sphery: | whether they're disabled makes no difference |
| [14:28:24] | quinten: | uninstalled completely |
| [14:28:36] | sphery: | if you have an old -fixes, the only thing that's important is whether you have a program called gnome-screensaver-command |
| [14:28:48] | sphery: | you do have Myth > r19222 , right? |
| [14:28:58] | sphery: | actually, >= |
| [14:29:04] | quinten: | 20468 |
| [14:29:18] | quinten: | i haven't tried upgrading again recently |
| [14:30:34] | ** juski imagines a theme called 'Louise'. Mmmmmmm ** | |
| [14:31:36] | coldpenguin: | Question is, would Louise be the PG one, or would that be a different theme altogether! |
| [14:31:48] | juski: | more R18 |
| [14:32:17] | sphery: | In spite of my lack of artistic talent, I've started to consider making a theme--specifically for X forwarding. It would be the most minimal (and, likely, ugly) theme in the world. No watermarks, plain black background (no gradients or alpha pulse or ...), small text (as for X forwarding, you're likely on a monitor), ... |
| [14:32:33] | sphery: | Oh, and no clock |
| [14:32:39] | juski: | heh |
| [14:32:55] | sphery: | I'm wondering if it would actually make configuring a system over the Internet faster. |
| [14:32:56] | AndyCap: | sphery: well, X and no artistic talent goes hand in hand. |
| [14:33:02] | juski: | no antialising either? ;-) |
| [14:33:03] | sphery: | AndyCap: true... |
| [14:33:10] | juski: | call it GIMPed |
| [14:33:14] | sphery: | heh |
| [14:33:15] | AndyCap: | sphery: depends on how Qt is on round-trip times |
| [14:33:23] | AndyCap: | uh, round-trips.. |
| [14:34:14] | sphery: | AndyCap: BTW, I have a surefire way of convincing your provider to stop encrypting stuff... All you have to do is call them up and cancel and tell them you're doing so because they're encrypting everything and then switch to OTA. Then, assuming your provider has 10M customers, get at least 9M of your closest friends to do the same. |
| [14:34:31] | ** juski chuckles ** | |
| [14:34:40] | juski: | don't think it'd take that many |
| [14:34:50] | juski: | a few hundred would make them think again I'd bet |
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| [14:35:08] | sphery: | you don't know how stubborn/clueless US cable co's tend to be |
| [14:35:09] | juski: | or whatever'd look like a spike in churn numbers |
| [14:35:16] | AndyCap: | sphery: I don't think that would help. besides OTA is encrapted in this country as well |
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| [14:35:26] | AndyCap: | so basically I can call them up and tell them I' |
| [14:35:26] | sphery: | wow... |
| [14:35:36] | AndyCap: | tell them I'm switching to the pirate bay. |
| [14:35:45] | AndyCap: | :P |
| [14:35:58] | AndyCap: | which is hardly a legit option |
| [14:36:07] | sphery: | well, at least you could get a nice discount on TPB by stealing other people's content and uploading it... |
| [14:36:24] | quinten: | that's crazy that they broadcast encrypted content over the air |
| [14:36:39] | juski: | quinten: we've got that here too |
| [14:36:56] | sphery: | (though they're "going legit", it sounds like they plan to reward people who upload new content--which makes no sense as those people almost definitely don't have rights to the shows they upload) |
| [14:36:57] | juski: | luckily not everything is, just the stuff not worth paying for :) |
| [14:36:59] | AndyCap: | quinten: no, that's standard operating procedure for expensive soon to fail DVB-T monopolies |
| [14:37:04] | quinten: | well whose air waves are they, anyhow? |
| [14:37:17] | juski: | quinten: ahh, big ole can o' worms, that |
| [14:37:26] | laga: | you use air to transmit radio? |
| [14:37:33] | sphery: | satco's in the US are encrypting content on "public" airwaves... |
| [14:37:35] | juski: | the goverments regulate them,decide to charge money for the use of them... |
| [14:38:32] | AndyCap: | ironically, when they were still developing the network, they had a newsfeed of DVB related news on the homepage. And all the failed projects were totally or predominantly encrypted channels, the successful ones were freeview. |
| [14:38:33] | juski: | make it illegal to broadcast yourself, cos 1) they can't control what you say and 2) you don't pay |
| [14:38:47] | AndyCap: | guess which one they were developing. |
| [14:39:34] | quinten: | sattellite is a special case though, because it's a very narrow band. one sattellite shouldn't interfere with another one, unless they occupy the same physical position |
| [14:40:02] | juski: | you know the UK govt. can kill any/all UK TV channels & insert their own content on-demand? |
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| [14:40:28] | AndyCap: | juski: last I heard, that didn't work so well |
| [14:40:30] | quinten: | s/sattellite/satellite |
| [14:40:40] | coldpenguin: | I believe there is a similar setup in America, they can insert/overlay hurricane warnings etc. |
| [14:40:54] | juski: | AndyCap: why not? |
| [14:40:59] | AndyCap: | the emergency broadcast system. |
| [14:41:12] | juski: | ok they can't stop signals from other countries via satellite as easy but... |
| [14:41:18] | AndyCap: | juski: iirc a variety technical problems |
| [14:42:19] | juski: | less so now a lot of distribution is centralised |
| [14:43:12] | juski: | and it's a damn sight harder to modulate dvb-t & DAB than it is with analogue ;-) |
| [14:44:16] | juski: | FM radio tx.. single transistor oscillator, wobble it at audio frequency, buffer it a bit..voila |
| [14:45:11] | ** laga wobbles ** | |
| [14:45:47] | juski: | then again, get all the current FM stations onto DAB & it clears the band for PirateFM :D |
| [14:47:19] | juski: | now then, where was I ...hmmm |
| [14:47:51] | AndyCap: | planning your PiratePAL station? |
| [14:48:04] | juski: | been there, done that |
| [14:48:54] | juski: | while at polytechnic, we modded a 'videosender' & boosted it with an adapted 70cm power amp |
| [14:48:55] | AndyCap: | gotten complaints from angry neighbours about childrens tv being interrupted by hardcore pr0n? |
| [14:49:15] | juski: | fed it with porn which had Amiga video genlocked ontop |
| [14:49:36] | juski: | AndyCap: it was a late night enterprise |
| [14:49:55] | AndyCap: | late night turns into early morning so easily |
| [14:50:21] | juski: | sure does |
| [14:50:22] | AndyCap: | especially when there's no windows. |
| [14:52:20] | AndyCap: | sphery: anyhow, I think it was keith packard that had some slides on "modern" gui toolkits and low-bandwidth links |
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| [15:05:58] | juski: | non-opengl & freenx ftw :) |
| [15:06:50] | juski: | hope the qt painter is in better shape by 0.22 |
| [15:07:28] | AndyCap: | eww. freenx |
| [15:07:40] | juski: | better than vnc |
| [15:07:46] | juski: | better than x-forwarding |
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| [15:08:05] | juski: | in performance terms if nothing else |
| [15:08:22] | AndyCap: | no, but perhaps it performs somewhat better. The architecture gives me the creeps |
| [15:08:56] | laga: | nothing wrong with adding system users which can log in over ssh ;) |
| [15:09:45] | juski: | i.e. don't give anybody access you wouldn't trust with your own login ;) |
| [15:10:05] | AndyCap: | did they get rid of the extra ssh server now? |
| [15:10:15] | AndyCap: | and of course the same user for all clients. |
| [15:10:17] | Ryushin: | So, I haven't upgraded SVN in a few months and it's been somewhat stable. How is current SVN for day to day use? |
| [15:10:33] | AndyCap: | Ryushin: varies from day to day? :P |
| [15:10:44] | Ryushin: | I haven't seen many commits in the last few days. |
| [15:10:45] | juski: | AndyCap: yeah just enable fwding to it |
| [15:11:10] | Ryushin: | So I guess just upgrade and hope for the best eh? |
| [15:11:20] | juski: | AndyCap: I found it quite easy to setup, so that says something |
| [15:11:30] | ** AndyCap would have preferred ml-view in the X protocol instead ** | |
| [15:12:03] | juski: | AndyCap: over my home broadband connection to work, it's almost like being there |
| [15:12:08] | AndyCap: | but ml-view disappeared when someone thought, yeah, lets go fight with Sun, Citrix and Microsoft instead. |
| [15:12:15] | juski: | vnc sucks by comparison |
| [15:12:29] | coldpenguin: | Ryushin, you could take a copy of your current source tree, backup the database. Then suck and see! |
| [15:12:50] | juski: | coldpenguin: no need to do the 1st bit. just make a note of which rev it is :) |
| [15:13:03] | Ryushin: | coldpenguin: True. I do a dump every night of the database. |
| [15:13:33] | juski: | muesli? |
| [15:13:41] | coldpenguin: | Yeah I know, but if things go wrong, if you have done the first, it means you don't have to wait 1+1/2 hours for the compile to happen |
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| [15:14:15] | juski: | huh? taking a copy of the source tree wouldn't save you recompiling |
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| [15:14:25] | ** coldpenguin thinks, or if you have a faster machine to compile on, then you don't have to wait an hour+1/2 for compilation ** | |
| [15:14:36] | coldpenguin: | Does to me, don't run distclean first |
| [15:14:49] | juski: | making backups of the binaries, maybe |
| [15:14:49] | coldpenguin: | Then all you have to do is make install |
| [15:14:55] | juski: | never a good idea |
| [15:15:12] | juski: | I mean don't rely on it |
| [15:15:12] | coldpenguin: | Well, the way I have it, is |
| [15:15:24] | coldpenguin: | /usr/local/encap/mythtv-0.2 |
| [15:15:32] | coldpenguin: | /usr/local/encap/mythtv-working |
| [15:15:45] | juski: | changes that require disctclean happen quite often |
| [15:15:55] | coldpenguin: | and then two source trees, /usr/local/src/mythtv-trunk, and /usr/local/src/mythtv-good |
| [15:16:12] | juski: | and you don't actually have to stop a working system just to compile,remember :) |
| [15:16:31] | coldpenguin: | Ah, you didn't quite understand. You go to /usr/local/src/mythtv-trunk, if that is your usual one. Then make; make install |
| [15:17:10] | coldpenguin: | Then if you do later want to upgrade, you copy your mythtv-trunk to mythtv-good, then within mythtv-trunk; svn up; make distclean; ./configure; make ; make install |
| [15:17:13] | juski: | I always just check out to a local dir |
| [15:17:27] | sphery: | AndyCap: You mean his 2001 paper on LBX? (An LBX Postmortem) following the 1994 paper "Design and Implementation of LBX: An Experiment Based Standard"? |
| [15:17:49] | coldpenguin: | We are talking here about the case when mythtv is not working for any reason in trunk, then you have a known-good backup instantly available for testing/recovery |
| [15:18:14] | juski: | coldpenguin: if stuff is that precious, don't run trunk! |
| [15:18:21] | sphery: | AndyCap: If so, it's probably not to relevant, now, since Keith's fork of XFree86 (X.org) deprecated lbxproxy years ago and completely removed LBX support from X.org 7.2 |
| [15:18:27] | coldpenguin: | juski: good point |
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| [15:19:00] | juski: | heh all that carping about fscking boxee y'know, and it totally needs GL to run. BAH |
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| [15:19:28] | sphery: | AndyCap: BTW, "An LBX Postmortem" summary is: "Some analysis of LBX using modern application startup traces along with recommendations about what should be done to improve application performance for all networking environments." |
| [15:19:38] | Shadow_M: | hello everybody |
| [15:19:46] | AndyCap: | sphery: yeah, that could be it. |
| [15:19:46] | tmkt: | hello |
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| [15:20:14] | AndyCap: | sphery: and, no I wasn't suggesting that you use LBX. |
| [15:20:14] | coldpenguin: | hello |
| [15:20:27] | coldpenguin: | Do you go through the whole alphabet? |
| [15:20:27] | sphery: | AndyCap: reading it, anyway... just in case some of it's relevant |
| [15:21:03] | AndyCap: | sphery: heh. time flies, didn't think it was as old as 2001, but it does talk about gtk and round trips. not sure if he covers qt |
| [15:21:37] | Shadow_M: | coldpenguin, actually it depends on the device i am using i am on my n810 |
| [15:21:42] | sphery: | Would Konqueror be Qt? |
| [15:21:49] | juski: | oh like a *proper* remote desktop app |
| [15:22:08] | juski: | as in, sends the info & the remote end actually draws it. heheh. how quaint |
| [15:22:12] | AndyCap: | sphery: maybe it was this http://keithp.com/~keithp/talks/usenix2003/html/net.html |
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| [15:22:35] | AndyCap: | sphery: yeah. |
| [15:26:46] | juski: | right. POETS |
| [15:29:15] | FR^2: | Poets?!? Where?!? *loading a gun, screwing on a silencer* |
| [15:29:56] | AndyCap: | poetic justice? |
| [15:31:32] | FR^2: | There's no justice. |
| [15:32:00] | AndyCap: | Just us. |
| [15:32:19] | sphery: | AndyCap: sounds like the vast majority of the (real) problem is the images... Therefore, the ugly/plain theme with small text may actually help (especially since--even with ssh's compression--the mostly black images should compress nicely) |
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| [15:33:07] | sphery: | AndyCap: and at the time, Qt was much better than GTK for non-image bandwidth usage (but the non-image usage was negligible compared to images, even for GTK) |
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| [15:39:40] | CyberKnet: | hmmmm... just saw a picture of the ViewSonic VOT132 |
| [15:39:58] | CyberKnet: | looks quite nice |
| [15:40:41] | AndyCap: | aargh Atom must die |
| [15:40:56] | CyberKnet: | Really? Now that's an awful thing to say |
| [15:40:57] | wagnerrp: | apparently the aspirerevo is swapping its 230 with a 330, and getting rebranded to a gateway |
| [15:41:12] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: That's interesting, I hadn't heard that. |
| [15:41:27] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: That makes for a much more desirable device than the aspire revo |
| [15:42:15] | CyberKnet: | no word on pricing yet for the gateway. I can't imagine it will stay at the $300 mark though. |
| [15:42:55] | CyberKnet: | the VOT132 does have an optical drive, but somehow is close to the size of the revo as best I could see |
| [15:43:17] | wagnerrp: | for $300, i'd rather just buy a full machine that doesnt need hardware acceleration for all but the most intensive stuff |
| [15:43:46] | sphery: | +1 |
| [15:43:55] | CyberKnet: | Yes, that is understandable. |
| [15:44:13] | sphery: | And, not counting HDD's/capture cards, you can get a full machine with a good CPU for much less than $300 |
| [15:44:21] | wagnerrp: | $300 would get you a rather nice diskless frontend |
| [15:44:21] | CyberKnet: | The form factor is more appealing to me than a full machine though ... and so I would pay for it I suppose. |
| [15:45:04] | wagnerrp: | the only reason that form factor is appealing to me is because its small enough i can hide it behind something and never have to look at it |
| [15:45:13] | wagnerrp: | i dont think they look 'nice' |
| [15:45:38] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: very small, very easy to hide – I also like that about it. |
| [15:45:45] | CyberKnet: | The Viewsonic looked nicer than the acer |
| [15:45:48] | CyberKnet: | imho |
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| [15:46:42] | sphery: | (My mobo/CPU/RAM/case I just bought were $213.96 and I had some $40 or $50 in mail-in rebates after that...) |
| [15:47:15] | CyberKnet: | sphery: Yes, if you don't mind a full size pc by your TV then cheaper options than these things are available. |
| [15:47:18] | sphery: | that was an AMD 5050e (dual-core 45W TDP, 4GB RAM, case w/o PSU) |
| [15:47:23] | CyberKnet: | or even a small-size PC case |
| [15:47:30] | CyberKnet: | can be had for that price too. |
| [15:47:37] | wagnerrp: | full size pc in another room from the tv |
| [15:47:40] | sphery: | CyberKnet: my myth boxes aren't anywhere near my TV |
| [15:47:48] | sphery: | yep other room, cables run through walls |
| [15:47:54] | wagnerrp: | HDMI and usb run through the floor |
| [15:48:05] | CyberKnet: | how long can HDMI run? |
| [15:48:06] | sphery: | and /no/ case you find is as beautiful as an invisible case |
| [15:48:18] | CyberKnet: | stupid question, I can google that |
| [15:48:19] | sphery: | HDMI should be good to 10–15M |
| [15:48:25] | sphery: | s/M/m/ |
| [15:48:28] | AndyCap: | CyberKnet: depends on the quality of your cable though. :P |
| [15:48:37] | sphery: | and your transmitters/receivers |
| [15:48:42] | coldpenguin: | And you don't want converters in the way either |
| [15:48:44] | sphery: | though anymore, they're getting pretty good |
| [15:48:59] | coldpenguin: | if you are going DVI->HDMI, 2M, 5 at best |
| [15:49:09] | sphery: | unfortunately, though, they designed it for cheap/short runs (i.e. used twisted pairs instead of coax), so it's not ideal for long runs |
| [15:49:16] | wagnerrp: | if only we had support for HDMI-CEC, so IR codes could be sent back over the wire |
| [15:49:22] | AndyCap: | SDI! |
| [15:49:30] | sphery: | SDI, ftw! |
| [15:49:44] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: there's a USB-CEC thingy on the 'net |
| [15:49:45] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I love what they did for that dinosaur movie |
| [15:49:49] | sid3windr: | I'm still pondering about buying it |
| [15:49:52] | sid3windr: | but it's a bit expensive :[ |
| [15:49:53] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: yeah, i noticed |
| [15:50:00] | wagnerrp: | i was the one who posted it to the -users list |
| [15:50:05] | sid3windr: | ah |
| [15:50:06] | AndyCap: | and of course they had to use 4 parallel transmitters |
| [15:50:10] | sphery: | SDI is basically what the DVI guys used as a basis of design, but whereas it called for coax, they cheaped out and went with tp |
| [15:50:10] | sid3windr: | I'm not on the users list :p |
| [15:50:32] | AndyCap: | sphery: well, they failed it |
| [15:50:48] | wagnerrp: | but yeah, $100 is too much just to not have a USB cable and receiver |
| [15:51:01] | sphery: | yeah, and since it's a cheap design, people end up paying /way/ too much for "performance" cables that are more placebo than anything |
| [15:51:27] | AndyCap: | sphery: they're good for the bottom line. |
| [15:51:41] | sphery: | (not that bad cables don't exist, but that some of the cables just charge for brand/to make you think they're better) |
| [15:51:42] | AndyCap: | "yes, this cable has excellent margin" |
| [15:51:46] | sphery: | right |
| [15:52:24] | sid3windr: | now now |
| [15:52:29] | sid3windr: | don't go bashing the $500 denon cables! |
| [15:52:29] | sid3windr: | ;) |
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| [15:52:45] | sphery: | well, those are different as they're directional ethernet... |
| [15:53:01] | sphery: | I've /never/ seen anyone else who succeeded at making ethernet directional. |
| [15:53:14] | AndyCap: | you know how much work it is combing those electrons |
| [15:53:52] | AndyCap: | then again, it's not ethernet, just utp. |
| [15:54:16] | coldpenguin: | And then giving them just the right kind of spin so they go down either the left or right slot at the correct point |
| [15:54:22] | CyberKnet: | Yeah, I just don't think that with 10m I could get up the wall, through the attic, and down to the room where I would have to put the machine in order to not have it in my living room by the TV |
| [15:54:44] | coldpenguin: | Keep it in the attic |
| [15:54:46] | ** AndyCap is happy with the cables he got from blue jeans btw. ** | |
| [15:54:47] | wagnerrp: | cyberknet: do you have a basement between this tv? |
| [15:54:57] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: No basement |
| [15:54:58] | wagnerrp: | err... beneath |
| [15:55:02] | coldpenguin: | Thats where I had my server, until the recent heat-wave |
| [15:55:15] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: land in Oklahoma is too sandy for basements to be economical, by and large. |
| [15:55:36] | AndyCap: | CyberKnet: and yet you build on top of it? |
| [15:55:40] | wagnerrp: | could be worse, im sure sphery's would always be underwater |
| [15:55:50] | sphery: | true |
| [15:56:09] | sphery: | basements here are as rare as stable Vista boxes |
| [15:56:21] | CyberKnet: | AndyCap: Someone did, I was just the fool that bought it after them. |
| [15:56:22] | AndyCap: | sure, it's not one of those la-di-da fancy above water apartments, but if you like damp fuggedaboutit |
| [15:56:22] | sphery: | AndyCap: this one is ethernet, right? http://www.usa.denon.com/productdetails/3429.asp |
| [15:56:58] | AndyCap: | sphery: I'm sure you could use it for that, and It would improve your mythtv picture immensely |
| [15:57:22] | sphery: | heh |
| [15:57:27] | AndyCap: | but afaik denonlink is not ethernet, just pcm over something. |
| [15:57:35] | sphery: | Hmmm... Interesting. |
| [15:58:00] | AndyCap: | since it's a fancy replacement for spdif and DB-25 multichannel connectors |
| [15:58:51] | AndyCap: | We have succeeded in using DENON LINK (a digital interface) as a dedicated clock signal transmission line to transmit high-grade digital signals in high speed and with negligible influence from external noise. |
| [15:58:57] | sphery: | So, I think some people are trying to get Jericho brought back in the UK... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/24/emp_uk/ |
| [15:59:01] | AndyCap: | Haha, like they're landing on the moon or something |
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| [15:59:21] | CyberKnet: | hello there kormoc |
| [16:00:01] | AndyCap: | uh, wth? The Advent of DENON LINK 4th, the world's first jitter suppression technology to include video signals |
| [16:00:01] | wagnerrp: | has anyone tested the DENON LINK by using a cheap $0.30 length of cat-6? |
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| [16:01:08] | tmkt: | ah good..doesn't seem to be related to Mepo theme |
| [16:01:10] | tmkt: | just locked up again |
| [16:01:31] | tmkt: | brb |
| [16:01:40] | sphery: | For anyone out there thinking of designing their own DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort cables: http://www.audiodesignline.com/showArticle.jh . . . ID=212000642 |
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| [16:02:06] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: well, the problem with that is that your ears are not good enough to hear the difference between original denon-link and cat5 |
| [16:02:32] | wagnerrp: | well then whats the point of doing it? |
| [16:02:44] | AndyCap: | ti-hi.. |
| [16:03:13] | wagnerrp: | get an oscilloscope, feed in the two signals, and check the interference pattern |
| [16:03:35] | AndyCap: | on a serious note, I'm sure it would be fine |
| [16:04:02] | AndyCap: | http://www.denon.com/glossary/2009/02/denon-link-4th.html |
| [16:04:35] | AndyCap: | I'm still not sure on what exactly the point is |
| [16:05:11] | AndyCap: | reviously, the purpose of DENON LINK was to transmit the digital audio signals themselves, but the purpose of DENON LINK 4th is to control the clock. |
| [16:05:14] | AndyCap: | O_o |
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| [16:05:25] | kormoc: | mornin CyberKnet |
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| [16:07:13] | wagnerrp: | all my stereo equipment run their clocks off rubidium oscillators |
| [16:07:45] | iamlindoro: | I traded my rubidium oscillators out for flux capacitors |
| [16:07:45] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: oh, you have separate oscillators in each device? it must sound horrible. |
| [16:07:48] | iamlindoro: | way warmer sound |
| [16:08:56] | sphery: | Amazing how many people confuse kormoc with the founder of id Software/creator of Doom/supporter and engineer of Armadillo Aerospace |
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| [16:09:20] | sphery: | granted, different spelling, but still :) |
| [16:09:22] | AndyCap: | carmack? |
| [16:09:26] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:09:32] | tmkt: | any Toronto people here? |
| [16:09:37] | AndyCap: | does kormoc have a ferrari? |
| [16:09:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: its not the same person? |
| [16:09:56] | sphery: | maybe that's why he had to save up to buy a Myth box--too much money spent on Ferrari's |
| [16:10:20] | wagnerrp: | oh... misread |
| [16:10:25] | wagnerrp: | you mean carmack/kormoc |
| [16:10:32] | ** wagnerrp goes and hides ** | |
| [16:10:52] | sphery: | right--a lot of people calling him karmac or kormac or karmoc |
| [16:10:56] | meshe: | iamlindoro: Going back, back to the Future! |
| [16:11:06] | AndyCap: | Uncle traveling kormoc. |
| [16:11:21] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: having troubles with your kids? |
| [16:11:58] | AndyCap: | doh, he was named Matt not Mac in english |
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| [16:23:05] | tmkt: | where are the screenshots of the myth 0.22 theme? i remember seing them..but can't seem to find them anymore |
| [16:25:19] | coldpenguin: | These: ? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra |
| [16:29:42] | tmkt: | yeah thats it |
| [16:29:42] | tmkt: | thanks |
| [16:29:46] | kormoc: | heh |
| [16:30:02] | tmkt: | it is very pretty |
| [16:30:07] | kormoc: | I have my immune system, there's nothing immune about it... |
| [16:31:08] | FR^2: | politically? |
| [16:34:20] | coldpenguin: | Hmm, sometimes the quality of mythtv is too good. |
| [16:34:51] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [16:34:56] | coldpenguin: | Was just watching telly, I thought, and noticed on one of my computers a kernel error. So I decided to reboot it over ssh. |
| [16:35:16] | coldpenguin: | Darn telly stopped working then, then I realised I was watching telly on my 'puter |
| [16:36:05] | wagnerrp: | you didnt know you were sitting at your desk? |
| [16:36:06] | coldpenguin: | doh |
| [16:37:05] | FR^2: | hehe |
| [16:37:07] | coldpenguin: | Telly is next to me, I was sitting at my desk, and noticed the problem on one of my ssh sessions. |
| [16:39:17] | GreyFoxx: | p |
| [16:39:48] | wagnerrp: | so you rebooted your backend, not realizing you were watching tv through it? |
| [16:40:08] | Dagmar: | That's some good herb |
| [16:40:28] | tmkt: | has anyone done the video for iphone user job? |
| [16:40:53] | coldpenguin: | Well the SBE and the frontend on that machine yes. Completely forgot that it was that which was running the picture on the television, not the television itself. I think I need a new brain. |
| [16:40:54] | tmkt: | just wondering how much extra room i should expect to use having an iphone copy of the video also on the backend |
| [16:40:57] | wagnerrp: | how do you get a kernel fault over ssh? |
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| [16:41:32] | wagnerrp: | imkt: iphone videos are going to be 360x480, which means very small |
| [16:41:40] | wagnerrp: | they use h264 right? |
| [16:41:43] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [16:41:47] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [16:41:48] | coldpenguin: | syslog'd it to me. Was broadcast to my screen. Is reasonably standard on the redhats I have used |
| [16:41:59] | tmkt: | so something that is currently 30minutes/650mb |
| [16:42:10] | tmkt: | would be about half that size? |
| [16:42:14] | coldpenguin: | Not good that I am getting it. It was on an ext4 mount, I thought I had gotten the problem fixed |
| [16:44:11] | wagnerrp: | tmkt: honestly, theres not really any reason for that to be over ~1mbps |
| [16:44:20] | wagnerrp: | 500–750kbps is probably a batter range |
| [16:44:36] | tmkt: | perfect |
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| [16:45:40] | tmkt: | now i just have to work on my bad habbit |
| [16:45:48] | tmkt: | of not going back to the main menu of mythtv before bed |
| [16:45:57] | tmkt: | waking up with 100gigs of paid advertisement recorded |
| [16:46:42] | wagnerrp: | if you tweek the settings, you could probably get by with even less, considering the iphone only has an 18-bit screen |
| [16:47:05] | wagnerrp: | although h264 is already running with only 12-bit color |
| [16:47:10] | wagnerrp: | so maybe not |
| [16:48:01] | tmkt: | there's 2–3 scripts out there already just going to take one of them |
| [16:48:05] | tmkt: | and put it in the user jobs |
| [16:48:13] | tmkt: | then make sure it doesn't run those user jobs on the kid shows |
| [16:49:17] | coldpenguin: | Anyone here know off the top of their head what the columns are in channels.conf? Name:Freq:Polarity:?:symbolrate:?:?:Channel ID |
| [16:49:30] | coldpenguin: | ptharp, |
| [16:49:54] | coldpenguin: | that should read frequency colon Polarity, if it has substituted |
| [16:50:59] | tmkt: | whats the easy way to get info for a channel? my tv lists a channel as 57_1 |
| [16:51:04] | tmkt: | but mythtv can't detect it |
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| [16:51:10] | tmkt: | and if i put 57_1 in the channel list |
| [16:51:15] | tmkt: | i get some worship channel |
| [16:51:55] | coldpenguin: | The second and third ? are what interest me. For my EIT scanner, it appears to be saying it will scan the number on the third column, but ends up complaining about the channel ID. I think there is a mapping issue |
| [16:51:56] | Dagmar: | The easy way is to use Schedules Direct in the US |
| [16:52:55] | tmkt: | yeah i use schedules direct |
| [16:53:08] | tmkt: | and i have the xmltvid |
| [16:53:09] | coldpenguin: | lyngsat.com has the frequencies etc. if that is the information you want |
| [16:54:05] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [16:54:10] | tmkt: | maybe |
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| [16:54:35] | orogor: | hi here |
| [16:54:47] | orogor: | am a ubuntu user with a freebox, anyone in the same situation than me? |
| [16:55:14] | sulx: | thank god no |
| [16:55:24] | orogor: | :/ |
| [16:55:27] | orogor: | why so ? |
| [16:55:32] | tmkt: | hmm..doesn't seem to be there |
| [16:56:07] | tmkt: | seems its all satellite |
| [16:56:10] | tmkt: | looking for ota info |
| [16:56:18] | sulx: | ubuntu gives me the creeps |
| [16:56:57] | orogor: | haa , i think it s ok, i use either that or centos at the office |
| [16:57:16] | orogor: | ia m an ex gentoo user, and i used manbdrake for about a year even before |
| [16:57:27] | AndyCap: | coldpenguin: you're missing modulation and fec at least. |
| [16:57:27] | laga: | manbrake? |
| [16:57:28] | Dagmar: | Did you do something to hte bosses daughter or what? |
| [16:57:38] | Dagmar: | Doesn't OSHA have somethign to say about centos? |
| [16:57:43] | orogor: | mandrake, i can t remmeber their new name |
| [16:58:00] | AndyCap: | mandrivel |
| [16:58:06] | Dagmar: | "That F**king French Distribution Linux" |
| [16:58:07] | orogor: | anyhow , nobody around has a freebox ? |
| [16:58:13] | Dagmar: | No wait, Mangina. |
| [16:58:15] | AndyCap: | wth is a freebox? |
| [16:58:18] | wagnerrp: | centos is unsafe in the workplace? |
| [16:58:27] | orogor: | Dagmar, i dotn think it s french, now they are in south america |
| [16:58:31] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: only if you do it right. |
| [16:58:44] | wagnerrp: | its french? likely to surrender and open all ports upon the threat of a hacker? |
| [16:58:50] | coldpenguin: | fec? |
| [16:58:54] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [16:58:58] | orogor: | Tstt |
| [16:59:07] | AndyCap: | coldpenguin: yes, like usenet PAR2 files. |
| [17:00:00] | iamlindoro: | forward error correction |
| [17:00:23] | coldpenguin: | Thank you, just found it |
| [17:00:35] | ** AndyCap is trying to use the terms of todays youth. ** | |
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| [17:01:16] | wagnerrp: | is freebox that modem with some french service that actually provides real, functional, usable iptv? |
| [17:01:37] | orogor: | yes |
| [17:01:38] | wagnerrp: | the one that the iptv capability in mythtv was developed for? |
| [17:01:45] | coldpenguin: | So am guessing that FEC (really) should be being used as the index for the EIT scanner. Modulation might, but I dunno |
| [17:01:47] | orogor: | waaay more than that , but yes |
| [17:02:00] | orogor: | wagnerrp, maybe |
| [17:02:54] | AndyCap: | coldpenguin: uh, what? |
| [17:03:57] | Dagmar: | Someone's forgotten that he's trillions of dollars-worth of satellite technology already deployed late to be talking about what should or shoudln't happen with his listing info |
| [17:04:42] | coldpenguin: | I am still having problems with eit scanning. My setup is I have an MBE with DVB-T only, channels are scanned into StandardChans video source. On my SBE, I have DVB-S scanned in via a channels.conf file |
| [17:05:54] | coldpenguin: | however the EIT for the SBE keeps on scanning, it lists a number as the one it is scanning, then errors saying that a different number, (which in the cases I have looked at appears to be) the difference between scanning one of the ? numbers in the channels.conf and erroring on the channel_id value of the channels.con |
| [17:06:27] | coldpenguin: | The DVB-T works fine, I have cleared all card (on all hosts option), and re-inserted, I can watch TV on any input fine |
| [17:06:53] | coldpenguin: | it is only the EIT on the DVB-S which is not working, and driving me crackers! |
| [17:06:56] | AndyCap: | coldpenguin: a number eh.. paste the line of channels.conf to a pastebin? |
| [17:07:15] | orogor: | wagnerrp, really the freebox is an impressive thing, it has wifi, voip, lan over powerlines, an hard drive to record stuff, you can stream about 4 channels at once from it, the fai provides ipv6, news servers with long retention, and a lot of other stuff |
| [17:07:18] | AndyCap: | and the errors? |
| [17:07:49] | AndyCap: | news servers with long retention? uhh, google has long retention |
| [17:08:08] | orogor: | on binary ? |
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| [17:11:27] | coldpenguin: | Can't find a good example of where the numbers match up at the mo, here is an excerpt from both files : http://www.pastebin.org/4017 |
| [17:12:07] | coldpenguin: | I am at the clutching at straws phase. ?Stuart? already checked my dtv_multiplex table against his, and they appeared to be consistent |
| [17:12:32] | coldpenguin: | I am using freesat, the channels I have pasted should have the epg. |
| [17:13:17] | coldpenguin: | I was at the stage of deleting all of my transports, and then re-entering just the one for BBC 1 London (+friends) and then rescan, to see whether this helps |
| [17:15:15] | AndyCap: | coldpenguin: anyhow. scratch my last comment about channels.conf fields. I was an idiot and not thinking DVB-S |
| [17:16:56] | tmkt: | http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/ can someone tell me if they provide enough information here to add a channel? |
| [17:17:02] | tmkt: | specifically channel 57_1 |
| [17:17:06] | coldpenguin: | Hmm, well myth has the options, frequency, symbol rate, polarity, which I knew, plus Inversion (negative positive I presume?) and FEC# |
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| [17:17:50] | tmkt: | is it 53–1 ? is that why i'm not picking it up? |
| [17:20:50] | AndyCap: | coldpenguin: anyhow. If I'm not totally nuts the last three numbers are Video PID: Audio PID : Service ID and I don't think having zero there will work very well. |
| [17:21:44] | coldpenguin: | Well, I don't care too much about CBEEBies, but the BBC 1 London appears to be correct enough? |
| [17:22:40] | AndyCap: | btw. how did you get this channels.conf? |
| [17:23:49] | coldpenguin: | This is the irritating thing, scandvb can generate this file, and I can watch TV via mythtv |
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| [17:27:21] | coldpenguin: | tid = transport ID? |
| [17:28:35] | coldpenguin: | If I go to add a new transport manually, I don't have the option to enter a tid (assume it is a unique number assigned via the database). If I enter the exact same values as an entry which has a tid, for some reason, the option to scan existing transports cannot scan the channel successfully. |
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| [17:39:18] | coldpenguin: | How dangerous is enabling cross-source EIT? |
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| [17:41:20] | janneg: | coldpenguin: your DVB-S setup has multiple video sources? |
| [17:42:05] | coldpenguin: | not exactly |
| [17:42:37] | coldpenguin: | the MBE has 3x DVB-T, these have a video source called DVB-T (changed it last clear all) |
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| [17:42:55] | coldpenguin: | The SBE has 1x SBE, this has a video source called DVB-S |
| [17:43:26] | janneg: | coldpenguin: then it doesn't make sense to turn it on |
| [17:43:49] | coldpenguin: | oh well. As I said, it is straw time |
| [17:43:53] | janneg: | since the DVB will not carry EIT for the DVB-T channels and vice versa |
| [17:44:37] | coldpenguin: | Thought so. |
| [17:44:40] | orogor: | can i get sound with mythtv on oss4 ? |
| [17:45:13] | coldpenguin: | I thought one possibility might be that it is somehow confused as to which source it is storing the data against, so it does download it, but stores it in the wrong place |
| [17:46:11] | coldpenguin: | As I am using EIT, I assume I can ignore the error: XMLTVFindGrabbers: Failed to run tv_find_grabbers |
| [17:47:45] | orogor: | eww , now it works |
| [17:49:19] | tmkt: | i think its a conspiracy to make me believe |
| [17:49:28] | tmkt: | everytime i think i'm getting somewhere with CityTV channel |
| [17:49:35] | tmkt: | i keep getting a religious channel |
| [17:53:31] | AndyCap: | touch the screen, touch the screen! |
| [17:57:45] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [17:57:51] | coldpenguin: | hmm, looking through mythweb at the database settings (being lazy) I note that I have 'fileserver' and 'fileserver.domain |
| [17:57:53] | tmkt: | where i can put the frequency id? |
| [17:58:00] | tmkt: | i found a page with the info i need |
| [17:58:06] | coldpenguin: | and mythfb1 + mythfb1.localdomain |
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| [17:58:18] | tmkt: | ON Toronto opello 53 CITY-DT INDE 433833 792314 515.0 2000 704.00 |
| [17:58:27] | coldpenguin: | The video sources I assume are host-independant, so this shouldn't cause any issues |
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| [17:58:58] | coldpenguin: | under mythtv-setup, you should be able to do 5. Channel Editor, then New Channel |
| [17:59:22] | tmkt: | ok... let me give that a shot |
| [17:59:26] | tmkt: | annoying with religious channel |
| [18:00:11] | tmkt: | its a weird channel..Virtual channel of 57_1 |
| [18:00:17] | tmkt: | Actual of 53_1 |
| [18:00:27] | coldpenguin: | But don't trust me, I can't get mine working! |
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| [18:01:11] | tmkt: | broadcast from the CN Tower |
| [18:04:39] | tmkt: | nah..just asks for channel #..same stuff i see in mythweb |
| [18:04:41] | orogor: | with a raid 10 and raid 0 setup over 4 drives a dual 4600+ (amd64) 4gb ram 4gb swap , how much movies can i record at the same time? |
| [18:05:18] | tmkt: | guess i have to figure out finetune or something |
| [18:05:28] | coldpenguin: | hmm, sorry tmkt |
| [18:06:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... I was wondering why my mythweb searches weren't working well anymore, seems they're case-sensitve now.. :-( |
| [18:06:11] | coldpenguin: | @orogor, it depends a lot on what interface you are using to your disks, what is performing the raid, and probably whether there is any raid cache or disk-cache |
| [18:06:43] | orogor: | software raid , sata2 , 16 and 8m cache depends on the drive |
| [18:06:58] | coldpenguin: | As a stake in the ground, my system could record 6 DVB-T channels to a raid5 of 12 8MB cache disks, with onboard ram on the raid card |
| [18:07:19] | coldpenguin: | Is this a marvel chip? Are there two or 1 sata drivers? |
| [18:07:40] | coldpenguin: | are both drivers on the same pci bus/same HT link |
| [18:07:44] | orogor: | it s nforce4, i have also a marvel chip but it does sata1 only |
| [18:07:54] | orogor: | so idont use it |
| [18:08:29] | coldpenguin: | It would probably be easier to ask, how many would you like it to record? |
| [18:08:36] | orogor: | i can use 4 sata2, 4 sata1 , 4 ide drives , onlyusing 4 sata2 now |
| [18:08:39] | coldpenguin: | Also, what are you intending on recording from? |
| [18:08:50] | orogor: | freebox iptv |
| [18:08:51] | coldpenguin: | Are these on the same bus? |
| [18:09:03] | orogor: | yes on same bus , filesystem is ext4 |
| [18:09:08] | coldpenguin: | There are too many variables to really answer. |
| [18:09:25] | orogor: | anyhow , contention point is disk speed right ? |
| [18:09:34] | coldpenguin: | So if they are on the same bus, then you are increasing the latency/contention on the bus. |
| [18:09:40] | coldpenguin: | Not necassarily |
| [18:10:03] | orogor: | well i thought the nforce4 could feed 4 drives with no problem |
| [18:10:09] | kormoc: | erm |
| [18:10:15] | kormoc: | so let's just look at it this way |
| [18:10:28] | kormoc: | a single drive can do writes at least 40 megabytes per second, right? |
| [18:10:28] | coldpenguin: | a 16M cache on 4 drives, gives you 72MB without even hitting the platters |
| [18:10:54] | ** coldpenguin hits himself for the bad maths. ** | |
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| [18:11:09] | coldpenguin: | Make that 64MB |
| [18:11:10] | orogor: | kormoc, yes at lower speed |
| [18:11:39] | kormoc: | If so, then at a bit rate of 20 megabits per second, you can do roughly 16 streams per drive, assuming a full 40 megabytes per second linear write without fragmentation |
| [18:11:40] | AndyCap: | but a single drive can't do more than 70–100? iops |
| [18:11:57] | coldpenguin: | The interface speed makes little difference on long sustained writes, the delay is in the platter speed. |
| [18:12:37] | coldpenguin: | Yes, but if you set up the strip/stride correctly, you reduce the number of iops, and group them together |
| [18:12:39] | orogor: | ok , ill start with 3 streams configured |
| [18:13:01] | coldpenguin: | Easily 3 streams. |
| [18:13:10] | orogor: | does mythtv do 2 pass encoding on recorded movies when the cpu is idle or soemthign like that ? |
| [18:13:21] | ** AndyCap did like the gentle ticking of his raid 5 array when recording, reminded him of stepper motor based MFM drives ** | |
| [18:13:24] | coldpenguin: | I can just about do 1 HD stream, + 1 SD stream, onto a raid5 with 3 disks |
| [18:13:26] | kormoc: | myth doesn't do any encoding unless it's a frame grabber |
| [18:13:34] | kormoc: | coldpenguin, your raid sucks |
| [18:13:52] | AndyCap: | orogor: on a related note, it's a personal video recorder not a warez machine |
| [18:13:55] | ** J-e-f-f-A chuckles ** | |
| [18:14:04] | coldpenguin: | ???kormoc. I said it can do 6, that is all the encoders I have! |
| [18:14:06] | orogor: | ouch, so the disk size will implode fast |
| [18:14:19] | kormoc: | <coldpenguin> I can just about do 1 HD stream, + 1 SD stream, onto a raid5 with 3 disks |
| [18:14:22] | orogor: | AndyCap, it s for personal use |
| [18:14:29] | kormoc: | so wait, 2 (one sd, one hd) or 6? |
| [18:14:48] | coldpenguin: | Ah, now that is more to do with the c***py intel chip. That is software raid, not good |
| [18:15:06] | orogor: | AndyCap, just i have 250 channels or so with the freebox at 20h-23h there s all the stuff ui like to watch |
| [18:15:10] | kormoc: | I'm on linux software raid and can do much more then that |
| [18:15:13] | coldpenguin: | Two BEs, one BE has a real raid of (well had 12, now down to 10) |
| [18:15:41] | ** AndyCap goes looking for his BAARF card. ** | |
| [18:15:49] | coldpenguin: | It is a crappy Intel chip, the AMD (and of course MB) I had was much better. |
| [18:16:19] | orogor: | AndyCap, afair mythtv had a dvd rip plugin so i thought there would be somethign to transcode recorded movies as well |
| [18:16:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | orogor: You can transcode your recordings to another format or lower resolution to save disk space. Is that what you're asking about? |
| [18:16:37] | AndyCap: | orogor: transcoding is an option |
| [18:16:39] | orogor: | yes |
| [18:16:43] | kormoc: | that's still very slow, at about 18 megabytes per second write max |
| [18:16:45] | coldpenguin: | That is also trying to watch the HD at the same time BTW. That system with the software raid only has the 1 recorded, x2 multirec |
| [18:16:58] | sphery: | kormoc: re: #6760... "If you choose to submit a bug report, please make sure to include a brief description of what you were doing, along with the following backtrace as an attachment (please don't paste the whole thing into the ticket)." |
| [18:17:01] | orogor: | haa, where do i set that ? |
| [18:17:19] | sphery: | let's see, did not include a description of what I was doing... check |
| [18:17:32] | sphery: | did not attach the backtrace, instead pasted it into the tikcet... check |
| [18:17:35] | sphery: | job done! |
| [18:19:05] | orogor: | haa also mythfrontend hangs when i quit watching tv |
| [18:19:19] | kormoc: | Yay! # resolution set to wontfix |
| [18:19:32] | orogor: | and i get spammed on the console by 2009-07–24 19:55:19.031 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! |
| [18:19:32] | orogor: | 2009-07–24 19:55:19.034 [libfaad @ 0x7fe4b7ca72a0]faac: frame decoding failed: Bitstream value not allowed by specification |
| [18:19:32] | orogor: | 2009-07–24 19:55:19.035 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data |
| [18:19:40] | sphery: | kormoc: nice... :) |
| [18:20:45] | sphery: | though the reporter may have considered the title, "Error trying to schedule program on MythWeb," a brief description of what he was doing, I'd argue it wasn't. |
| [18:21:58] | sphery: | and not even including the version is just plain wrong |
| [18:22:17] | kormoc: | He didn't even care to leave a email, so it's not like he's gonna follow up |
| [18:22:28] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:22:54] | sphery: | though is the trac bug that removes the Reported by value unless you set Preferences fixed, yet? |
| [18:23:03] | sphery: | (where preferences is name/e-mail) |
| [18:23:24] | kormoc: | no idea, but it's working for others |
| [18:23:39] | sphery: | I've been giving people the benefit of the doubt since that cropped up years ago... may have extended the benefit too much |
| [18:23:52] | sphery: | yeah, if you set preferences, it always worked. |
| [18:24:30] | sphery: | if you didn't, it didn't (i.e. if Reporter was filled out when you clicked on New Ticket, it worked--otherwise, regardless of what you typed, Reporter was set to anon) |
| [18:24:50] | sphery: | One day I'll have to test, again |
| [18:26:08] | kormoc: | huh, fair 'nuff |
| [18:27:13] | coldpenguin: | Still no luck. I have removed all channels on DVB-S, edited the channels.conf so it contains BBC 1 London only, imported this, and the system found 11 channels. It reports 9 of them as being EIT enabled, Channel 5, and a blank one as not. EIT scanner has run, and still no data: http://www.pastebin.org/4032 |
| [18:28:21] | coldpenguin: | (but no PAT warnings at least) |
| [18:29:15] | sphery: | my only thought is that channels.conf import has generally been a very bad way of getting channels into Myth for a /long/ time now (and may not work properly). |
| [18:29:54] | sphery: | would be a better test of EIT if you scanned with Myth and told it to only add the channels you want (or in -fixes, if you deleted all the channels you didn't want after) |
| [18:30:26] | coldpenguin: | But the data didn't come from channels.conf really, I only had 6 channels, it picked up the other 5 from the transport. |
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| [18:31:16] | sphery: | then again, seems trunk's DVB-S scan isn't working right, anyway, so that's the downside to running development code |
| [18:31:27] | coldpenguin: | How about if I delete all, then do a scan from all transports? For some reason, there is some difference between the data I enter, and the data which is in the transport, I couldn't get it to scan correctly when I used the freq, and symbol rate from channels.conf. |
| [18:32:07] | coldpenguin: | Reading the ticket, it is the scan which is the problem, not the EIT? My scan appears to work, I can watch the resultant channels. Unless I missed the ticket |
| [18:33:02] | sphery: | I don't know any details as my only trunk capture card is a "test" card (MPEG-2 file) and I don't have /any/ DVB-S |
| [18:33:56] | coldpenguin: | I might raise this as a ticket, if it is an unknown problem then it kinda needs to be fixed. If it isn't unknown, well someone will says its a duplicate. If its me, well, I'll look silly. |
| [18:35:54] | tmkt: | where are the frequencies stored? checked the channel table nothing there |
| [18:35:58] | tmkt: | other then freqid |
| [18:36:31] | coldpenguin: | Ah, hang on, a ticket I didn't see before (I think I searched .22) |
| [18:40:05] | AndyCap: | tmkt: dtv_transport? |
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| [18:43:21] | tmkt: | dtv_multiplex |
| [18:43:22] | tmkt: | thank you sir |
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| [18:46:48] | sphery: | tmkt: Though, AIUI, you can't just change freq's for dtv... The frequency tables for transponders come from the NIT tables, so if your provider is giving bad info, you're out of luck. |
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| [18:47:53] | tmkt: | no provider |
| [18:47:54] | tmkt: | all OTA |
| [18:48:05] | tmkt: | just going batty over a channel my TV picks up |
| [18:48:08] | tmkt: | and mythtv won't |
| [18:48:15] | tmkt: | superstrong signal also |
| [18:48:21] | sphery: | coldpenguin: did you tell it to ignore the signal timeouts? |
| [18:48:35] | wagnerrp: | well i finally figured out why the internet has been so poor at work |
| [18:48:37] | sphery: | and, tmkt , you probably also need to adjust your timeouts |
| [18:48:50] | tmkt: | which table? |
| [18:48:56] | wagnerrp: | i went down to the combustion lab and some jackass has been running emule for the last couple weeks |
| [18:49:07] | tmkt: | i changed the frequency..but dont think its precise enough |
| [18:49:22] | sphery: | tmkt: that's almost definitely not the problem |
| [18:49:25] | tmkt: | on http://www.user.dccnet.com/jonleblanc/Canada_TV_Stations/ON.html |
| [18:49:41] | tmkt: | it says freq of 704.00 MHZ |
| [18:49:49] | tmkt: | so i put 70400000 in there |
| [18:49:51] | sphery: | tmkt: as all tuners have built in hardware that finds the right frequency (finetuning is basically not at all required with modern hardware) |
| [18:49:58] | tmkt: | ok |
| [18:50:05] | tmkt: | so 70400000 should do |
| [18:50:10] | sphery: | 70400000 = 70.4GHz |
| [18:50:18] | sphery: | in channel, that is |
| [18:50:28] | sphery: | in dtv_multiplex, it's 70.4MHz |
| [18:50:39] | AndyCap: | O_o |
| [18:50:46] | sphery: | (I'm guessing the above is a typo, and you had it right in the DB, though) |
| [18:51:17] | coldpenguin: | @sphery I'll check what it is set to at the moment. I turned all timeouts to rediculous numbers |
| [18:51:24] | tmkt: | the previous value was 599028615 |
| [18:51:34] | tmkt: | i replaced that with 704000000 |
| [18:51:46] | sphery: | and is it changing it back? |
| [18:52:04] | sphery: | as I'm pretty sure those freq's come from the stream |
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| [18:53:20] | tmkt: | nope didn't change back |
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| [18:53:56] | tmkt: | would i have anything to do with having a virtual channel? |
| [18:54:05] | tmkt: | virtual channel is 57_1 actual is 53 |
| [18:54:24] | sphery: | coldpenguin: It's a checkbox "Ignore Signal Timeout" in the channel scanner... it's unrelated to the actual timeouts you specified |
| [18:54:52] | coldpenguin: | Under capture cards, I have the signal timeout to 60000ms, tuning timeout 62500 , wait for SEQ ticked, (dvb on demand non-ticked), use DVB for active EIT ticked. Max recordings 2, DVB tuning delay 2000ms |
| [18:55:10] | coldpenguin: | I assumed that tickbox was for the channel scanner only |
| [18:56:43] | sphery: | tmkt: 53 is broadcast ota at 705.25MHz visual carrier freq (in the US)--which would be 704MHz for the lower edge of the channel or 707MHz center freq |
| [18:56:46] | coldpenguin: | That option is under channels.conf import, it was unticked |
| [18:57:30] | coldpenguin: | It was unticked also for scan of all existing transports (doesn't appear for Full Scan, or import existing...) |
| [18:58:29] | sphery: | coldpenguin: it should be meaningless on channels.conf import |
| [18:58:57] | tmkt: | odd thing is... other people who live further away, from the antenna then me dont' seem to be having any problems |
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| [18:59:24] | tmkt: | so it doesn't seem like i should be having any issues |
| [18:59:51] | sphery: | tmkt: and the dtv_multiplex table uses center freq (just confirmed) |
| [19:00:03] | sphery: | i.e. 707MHz for that channel |
| [19:00:25] | sphery: | (where 3MHz (half a channel) is actually too much for hardware fine tune) |
| [19:01:13] | tmkt: | ok |
| [19:01:25] | tmkt: | so replace it with 70700000000 |
| [19:02:27] | sphery: | 707000000 |
| [19:03:09] | sphery: | though I have a feeling that it will be replaced with any scan (because it's getting hte information that your "provider"--in this case the broadcaster--is sending) |
| [19:03:10] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [19:03:48] | tmkt: | hmm |
| [19:04:11] | sphery: | and I can't guarantee that it's not going to change, even if you don't scan--Myth wasn't designed to allow user-editable frequencies for DTV |
| [19:04:15] | opello: | tmkt: hey that's my nick in there :) |
| [19:05:50] | Ryushin: | I just upgraded to current svn after not having done so for a few months. |
| [19:06:03] | ** sphery assumes you mean current trunk ** | |
| [19:06:11] | coldpenguin: | Is there any way I can import the transponder lists into myth? (/usr/share/dvb-apps/dvb-s/Astra-28.2E)? |
| [19:06:12] | tmkt: | where? |
| [19:06:12] | Ryushin: | My remote is not longer working through myth. irw shows that it's receiving signals though. |
| [19:06:17] | opello: | tmkt: 12:58:18 < tmkt> ON Toronto opello 53 CITY-DT INDE 433833 792314 515.0 2000 704.00 |
| [19:06:21] | tmkt: | I'm going to insane |
| [19:06:24] | tmkt: | ah |
| [19:06:41] | opello: | just odd, heh |
| [19:06:44] | iamlindoro: | That's what happens when you cut and paste text including tabs |
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| [19:07:32] | iamlindoro: | op becomes opello |
| [19:07:50] | sphery: | where the ello is the extra from? |
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| [19:07:59] | sphery: | (actually curious--not just making a pun) |
| [19:08:10] | iamlindoro: | op<tab> |
| [19:08:23] | sphery: | ohhh... autocomplete from his IRC client |
| [19:08:24] | sphery: | got it |
| [19:08:26] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [19:08:45] | sphery: | I thought it was some character translation thing you were talking about |
| [19:09:04] | iamlindoro: | nyet |
| [19:11:01] | sphery: | tmkt: I just have to clarify something I said before... In digital, there's no visual carrier/audio carrier, so the visual carrier thing I said didn't apply in your case, but was something I had to go through to get to the actual lower/center freq's. |
| [19:11:08] | opello: | heh |
| [19:22:35] | tmkt: | i give up |
| [19:23:05] | tmkt: | guess i'm meant to watch CTS |
| [19:24:50] | tmkt: | splitter wouldn't cause any problems would it? |
| [19:27:49] | coldpenguin: | Is the other device watching something? |
| [19:29:12] | orogor: | anyoen can tell me why recording fail? http://pastebin.com/m1f313dcc |
| [19:29:28] | orogor: | i ve recreated the folders with eoprmissions for everyone |
| [19:29:39] | orogor: | but i am unsure that was the cause |
| [19:32:28] | orogor: | humm new recording faileld as well |
| [19:33:06] | tmkt: | one last shot, giving scantv a whirl |
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| [19:33:31] | orogor: | who, me? |
| [19:33:44] | tmkt: | me |
| [19:33:44] | coldpenguin: | orogor: The error message: 'Failed to set channel to .' looks pretty bad |
| [19:34:01] | orogor: | manually i can change channel |
| [19:34:24] | Ryushin: | How does the transcoder option "auto detect" which format to use? |
| [19:35:01] | clever: | there is autodetect from mpeg2, and auto from mpeg4 |
| [19:35:06] | clever: | and i think an auto from rtjpeg |
| [19:35:34] | coldpenguin: | What channel number can you change to to give you the same channel as the doctor who? |
| [19:36:15] | coldpenguin: | how did you set the recording up? |
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| [19:36:25] | tmkt: | really do love that searchpad feature on ysearch |
| [19:36:35] | coldpenguin: | and can you change to that channel, with that recorder (number 3) |
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| [19:39:02] | orogor: | i did set it to record all the dr who |
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| [19:40:48] | mkrufky: | i could have sworn there was a "v4l2 mpeg encoder" card setup in myth... what configuration is one supposed to use to setup a pvr150, or the analog encoder side of an hvr1600 / hvr1800 / hvr1950, or a cx88-blackbird or whatnot |
| [19:40:49] | mkrufky: | ? |
| [19:40:53] | coldpenguin: | So using recorder number 3, can you select channel 11108 which it is trying to record from? |
| [19:41:38] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: MPEG-2 encoder type |
| [19:41:50] | mkrufky: | wth is that? |
| [19:42:06] | mkrufky: | i see "ivtv mpeg-2 encoder card" but it "fails to open" |
| [19:42:16] | orogor: | huh |
| [19:42:18] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: It's a video standard made up by the motion picture experts group?" |
| [19:42:22] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [19:42:23] | orogor: | i dont have that much channel |
| [19:42:36] | mkrufky: | seriously.. which configu is used for v4l2 encoders? |
| [19:42:48] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: sounds like inadequate permissions to the device-- does your user have perms to the node and is it not opened by anything else? |
| [19:42:52] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: I'm being serious |
| [19:42:57] | iamlindoro: | ivtv mpeg-2 is correct |
| [19:43:03] | mkrufky: | there is no "MPEG-2" , oh ok |
| [19:43:05] | mkrufky: | thanks |
| [19:43:21] | mkrufky: | if that can confuse ME im sure others are confused also |
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| [19:46:13] | ** iamlindoro just works here ** | |
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| [19:47:00] | iamlindoro: | WOW, the "best PCI HD card" thread is full of bunk |
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| [19:47:28] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: Betcha didn't know that Hauppauge wrote the HVR-1600 driver, and that it "honors the broadcast flag," didja? |
| [19:48:15] | coldpenguin: | Stupid question number 2: What is SCTE |
| [19:48:26] | mkrufky: | wha??? |
| [19:48:44] | iamlindoro: | coldpenguin: Society of Cable Television Engineers |
| [19:48:52] | iamlindoro: | Standards group for US television |
| [19:48:58] | mkrufky: | wtf nothing honors the broadcast flag |
| [19:49:02] | mkrufky: | not even the broadcasters |
| [19:49:49] | coldpenguin: | ??? I find X number of channels + 16 SCTE channels |
| [19:50:09] | orogor: | coldpenguin, pressing C doesn t seems to change input |
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| [19:50:45] | coldpenguin: | @orogor, how about m, then select switch input-> |
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| [19:51:53] | orogor: | pressing m gets me a segfault |
| [19:52:37] | coldpenguin: | Ok, stupid question number 3. The DVB-S card is in the SBE, DVB-T in the MBE. Seeing as any of the frontends (which take their data via the MBE?) didn't register the DVB-S card as anything other than 'asleep' until the MBE was restarted, I don't have to restart the MBE before the SBE can produce working results with the EIT do I? |
| [19:53:00] | mkrufky: | whoah EIT on cablevision works very well :-) |
| [19:53:19] | coldpenguin: | @orogor that doesn't sound very good at all. Try starting mythfrontend, then watchTV, then press m, without the c in between |
| [19:53:32] | orogor: | thats what i did |
| [19:53:59] | orogor: | 2009-07–24 21:51:43.286 OSD Theme Dimensions W: 640 H: 480 |
| [19:53:59] | orogor: | 2009-07–24 21:51:43.746 TV: Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [19:53:59] | orogor: | 2009-07–24 21:51:43.749 New DB connection, total: 3 |
| [19:53:59] | orogor: | 2009-07–24 21:51:43.751 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
| [19:53:59] | orogor: | 2009-07–24 21:51:43.753 Realtime priority would require SUID as root. |
| [19:54:00] | orogor: | 2009-07–24 21:51:43.854 OpenGLVideoSync() |
| [19:54:02] | orogor: | 2009-07–24 21:51:43.915 Video timing method: SGI OpenGL |
| [19:54:04] | orogor: | Segmentation fault |
| [19:54:11] | iamlindoro: | PASTEBIN |
| [19:54:17] | orogor: | haa sorry |
| [19:54:36] | coldpenguin: | Need to fix the machine segfaulting whilst trying to bring up the menu I think. Try forcing your recording to use recorder 1 |
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| [19:55:07] | orogor: | i can delete the other cards |
| [19:55:45] | coldpenguin: | why delete them? |
| [19:56:16] | orogor: | make sure it use the first card |
| [19:56:26] | orogor: | and basically it s the same thing |
| [19:56:53] | orogor: | as it s video streaming , but i amsposed to be able to stream 4 channels at once , or at least i can with vlc |
| [19:58:13] | orogor: | duh , i can t delete a single card? |
| [19:58:24] | iamlindoro: | "D" |
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| [20:06:32] | tmkt: | what kinda of changes to the new channel scanning in 0.22? |
| [20:06:56] | iamlindoro: | sentence fragment is hard to |
| [20:07:11] | tmkt: | guessing it won't matter, just tried w_scan, and it can't find city-dt either |
| [20:08:22] | wagnerrp: | the channel scanner in trunk has been completely rewritten, but is only partially there so far |
| [20:08:46] | tmkt: | what does it do differently? |
| [20:08:50] | wagnerrp: | there was some issue how it handled encryption on multiplexes |
| [20:09:20] | coldpenguin: | Might it be completely ignoring the data channels which provide EIT? |
| [20:10:34] | iamlindoro: | It might be doing any number of things |
| [20:10:43] | iamlindoro: | it's still a ways from finished |
| [20:11:01] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: do you have a pet dog? |
| [20:11:14] | iamlindoro: | tmkt: It's rewritten *from scratch*... built from the ground up to be standards compliant with all supported standards, which is a huge job to say the least |
| [20:11:18] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: yes |
| [20:11:22] | dustybin: | awww |
| [20:11:43] | iamlindoro: | When not in IRC I am an actual human being, it turns out |
| [20:11:46] | dustybin: | i remember ages ago you said you had a cam linked up to the garden |
| [20:11:49] | tmkt: | going to try removing the splitter from the equation tonight, and see if city-tv shows up then, if not..i'll just wait for 0.22, and cross my fingers |
| [20:12:11] | Dagmar: | dustybin: s/garden/neighbor's swimming pool/; |
| [20:12:17] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [20:12:20] | Dagmar: | heheh |
| [20:12:34] | wagnerrp: | tmkt: you might want to try 'scan' from dvb-tools and see what you get |
| [20:12:36] | mchou: | tmkt: dvbscan works 100% |
| [20:12:37] | dustybin: | that reminds me, a new version of zoneminder is out |
| [20:12:41] | coldpenguin: | standards -> That could be my problem. I think the EPG for freesat was closed, you had to buy a license |
| [20:13:19] | tmkt: | ok..trying scan |
| [20:13:19] | mchou: | tmkt: dvbscan has never failed me, unlike the POS mythtv internal scanner |
| [20:13:30] | iamlindoro: | There are numerous people using freesat w trunk |
| [20:13:47] | iamlindoro: | which is not to say that none of them have had problems with the (again, in progress) scanner |
| [20:13:47] | tmkt: | params for dvbscan? dvbscan --help and man dvbscan aren't helping |
| [20:13:48] | coldpenguin: | darn |
| [20:13:55] | iamlindoro: | but things are getting worked through |
| [20:14:04] | mchou: | tmkt: RTFM |
| [20:14:14] | tmkt: | which manual |
| [20:14:17] | tmkt: | man dvbscan |
| [20:14:22] | tmkt: | has doesn't exist |
| [20:14:27] | tmkt: | and --help doesn't exist |
| [20:15:33] | mchou: | tmkt: "dvbscan" with no parameters spits out help |
| [20:15:33] | tmkt: | tried scan earlier today..and it didn't pick it up either this mistery channel |
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| [20:15:59] | tmkt: | nope |
| [20:16:01] | mchou: | tmkt: so I dont know what kind of mystery proggie you using |
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| [20:16:03] | tmkt: | could not open scan file |
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| [20:18:21] | tmkt: | for OTA i should be using us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB |
| [20:18:25] | tmkt: | i suppose |
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| [20:30:14] | coldpenguin: | iamlindoro, do you know whether those people using freesat are also using the EIT? |
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| [20:41:09] | meshe: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=freesat+eit |
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| [20:47:12] | coldpenguin: | Thanks meshe, I was using the EIT with freesat before I moved to trunk. I should have been a bit more precise, do you know of anyone on trunk using freesat with EIT only |
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| [20:50:56] | orogor: | coldpenguin, next record start in 5R mibnutes |
| [20:51:06] | orogor: | but anyhow if i try to use another card , it crashes |
| [20:51:23] | orogor: | now i can use the m menu and when i choose an other card it crashes |
| [20:51:32] | orogor: | before it was crashing as sonnn as i pressed m |
| [20:51:39] | coldpenguin: | can you provide a backtrace? |
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| [20:52:21] | meshe: | coldpenguin: sorry, the first question showed lots of results, but I'm in Canada and know very little about freesat |
| [20:52:46] | coldpenguin: | ah, ok, I didn't mean it to sound off |
| [20:54:06] | coldpenguin: | I looked through gossamer already, there didn't appear to be much useful in the wiki (I believe it may not have been using eit as a valid search term anyway). I think that the problem might be that I am mixing a system with DVB-T and DVB-S. Either that, or the EIT part just isn't re-written yet |
| [20:54:08] | orogor: | coldpenguin, huh iam unsure it s compiled with debug symbols on ubuntu |
| [20:54:24] | orogor: | and i dont remmeber how to do one anyhow |
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| [20:54:57] | sphery: | coldpenguin: I think the problem is you're expecting trunk to work :) |
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| [20:55:23] | sphery: | coldpenguin: really, though, your best bet is to send an e-mail to the mythtv-users mailing list and ask if anyone else is using trunk + freesat + eit |
| [20:55:34] | sphery: | I have a feeling a certain Simon K is... |
| [20:55:57] | sphery: | (otherwise, it's surprising that he wrote a patch to replace the freesat EIT huffman tables) |
| [20:56:02] | gfoot: | fwiw, I mix freeview and freesat, but use the versions that come with Ubuntu, not svn |
| [20:56:33] | coldpenguin: | I have sent a couple of emails there asking for help, didn't receive anything. I will write a more specific email on this. Tomorrow. Time to stop now |
| [20:56:45] | orogor: | coldpenguin, doesn t even works with a single card |
| [20:56:50] | coldpenguin: | yeah, it worked on .20 for me two |
| [20:57:04] | sphery: | gfoot: what? You're saying that the stable version actually works? That's unbelievable. ;) |
| [20:57:14] | coldpenguin: | hehehe |
| [20:57:39] | gfoot: | haha |
| [20:57:57] | sphery: | I even hack on Myth code, but I /still/ run the stable release on my production system. |
| [20:58:22] | sphery: | And, I haven't missed a single recording due to Myth in all the time I've been running stable. |
| [20:58:41] | coldpenguin: | I can only afford one system. I was intending to start to /hack/ on the code, but this would be a bit of a baptism of fire |
| [20:58:42] | gfoot: | I miss many recordings, but not exactly due to Myth |
| [20:58:46] | sphery: | I'm a /big/ believer in -fixes... |
| [20:58:49] | sphery: | just saying. |
| [20:59:10] | gfoot: | My DVB-T tuner card just stops working after a few days |
| [20:59:24] | sphery: | coldpenguin: you can run both on the same physical hardware without a problem--just not at the same time and not with the same database/configuration |
| [20:59:26] | coldpenguin: | But is -fixes compatible with trunk? last weeks trunk isn't compatible with trunk! |
| [20:59:37] | gfoot: | If I shut down the backend, unload modules, reload them and restart then it works again |
| [20:59:44] | sphery: | and, no, you can't mix and match versions of Myth |
| [21:00:12] | coldpenguin: | Well thats it, my MBE doesn't run a frontend, the SBE runs my main frontend, if these work, then I am happy. I can do without the SBE |
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| [21:00:24] | sphery: | technically, if you're not running the exact same SVN revision of the exact same SVN branch on /all/ systems, you're running an unsupported configuration and if anything fails to work, it's not our fault. :) |
| [21:00:29] | coldpenguin: | Trouble is, my other FEs are too slow for major multiple recompilations |
| [21:00:48] | coldpenguin: | I am, honest (and I wouldn't complain if I wasn't) |
| [21:00:54] | sphery: | coldpenguin: but for hacking, you only need a single system |
| [21:01:11] | coldpenguin: | Not that I am complaining, I meant I wouldn't be spending this long trying to find a solution |
| [21:01:25] | sphery: | and, if you have an extra GNU/Linux desktop around (or even an extra Windows one which you're willing to dual-boot), you can do development on that one |
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| [21:02:05] | coldpenguin: | I don't really, all I have are a couple of FEs, which are diskless clients, 1.2GHz, not exactly what you would want to develop on |
| [21:02:16] | coldpenguin: | nothing as large/complex as myth anyway |
| [21:02:29] | sphery: | so every machine in your house is being used as a Myth box of some sort? |
| [21:03:13] | coldpenguin: | All but 1 (windows XP), and SWMBO gets annoyed if I leave that one running vncviewer to my linux machines. |
| [21:03:24] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [21:04:00] | anykey_: | Is this expected: If you disable the exit key in the frontend, you can't exit mythtv-setup anymore |
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| [21:04:23] | sphery: | anykey_: have you run mythfrontend on the same host, yet? |
| [21:04:30] | anykey_: | sphery: yeah, it's not that bug |
| [21:04:49] | anykey_: | sphery: if I enable the exit key again in the frontend preferences everything is fine in the setup |
| [21:04:57] | sphery: | yeah, if you've run mfe, it's definitely not that bug (which, I think, gbee has fixed) |
| [21:05:07] | anykey_: | yeah, that one is fixed indeed |
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| [21:05:16] | anykey_: | sphery: if I start mythtv-setup with -O AllowQuitShutdown=4 it also works |
| [21:05:28] | anykey_: | sphery: guess the setup just uses the frontend preference |
| [21:05:29] | coldpenguin: | My intention was to get the system semi-stable, then perhaps work on some of the interesting things. I think that making a frontend play the same file at a sync'd time as another frontend would be possible, with a little hacking using something like the maths behind ntp for the time syncing |
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| [21:05:33] | sphery: | I'd say ask gbee/stuartm sometime--he's probably the most knowledgeable on both how it currently works and how it's supposed to work |
| [21:06:23] | gfoot: | what's the best place to discuss capture card driver bugs? |
| [21:06:30] | sphery: | anykey_: you mean Ctrl-Esc vs Alt-Esc vs Esc? If so, yeah, it does (and it did in 0.21-fixes, too--and as far back as I remember) |
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| [21:06:44] | sphery: | though it /might/ have also accepted plain Esc even if you set it otherwise |
| [21:07:09] | anykey_: | sphery: yeah, I mean these. If you disable that setting, you can't exit the setup anymore without overriding the option |
| [21:09:02] | sphery: | anykey_: ah, you mean if you select, "No exit key," it won't let you exit mythtv-setup |
| [21:09:14] | anykey_: | exactly |
| [21:09:24] | sphery: | I'll go out on a limb and say that's an unintended consequence of having way too many options for a single person (even gbee) to test |
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| [21:09:44] | sphery: | If you don't feel like patching it, let me know and I will. |
| [21:10:01] | anykey_: | sphery: I just stick with the workaround to override the option at the moment |
| [21:10:03] | wagnerrp: | well the guy down the street started emule back up, so the network went to crap |
| [21:10:12] | wagnerrp: | i went down to explain the error of his ways |
| [21:10:38] | ** sphery googles emule ** | |
| [21:10:47] | krisb: | wagnerrp: why are you one the same network as a "guy down the street"? stealing wireless? |
| [21:10:52] | iamlindoro: | not to mention his misunderstanding of right/wrong/thelaw? |
| [21:10:56] | anykey_: | now they're watching you, sphery |
| [21:11:00] | sphery: | d'oh |
| [21:11:00] | wagnerrp: | he doesnt seem to understand that he should not be illegally downloading material on the university connection |
| [21:11:02] | krisb: | on* |
| [21:11:09] | krisb: | ah |
| [21:11:14] | sphery: | it's one of those things people use to steal music/videos? |
| [21:11:18] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if he understands that it is even illegal |
| [21:11:20] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yes |
| [21:11:39] | wagnerrp: | so i try to explain to him how it is hosing up the network |
| [21:11:41] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [21:11:50] | wagnerrp: | show him a ping of google at 600ms |
| [21:12:21] | wagnerrp: | and replying in half-engrish/half-chinese, he explains that he needs to 'clean off the computer, theres a lot of stuff on it' |
| [21:12:21] | sphery: | anykey_: cool... I'll do up a patch for it. |
| [21:12:31] | sphery: | anykey_: I'm guessing it's a simple 1- or 2-liner |
| [21:12:33] | wagnerrp: | so he reboots it, ping drops back to 30ms |
| [21:12:52] | wagnerrp: | he probably still thinks its some sort of virus installed on the thing that is causing problems, and not his downloading |
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| [21:13:15] | anykey_: | sphery: thats my guess too, just am too busy right now with other things |
| [21:13:15] | wagnerrp: | ill watch the ping, and ill probably see it spike up in another half hour or so |
| [21:13:30] | coldpenguin: | running emule, he probably does have a virus. Lots of holes in that there used to be |
| [21:13:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Are you somewhat responsible for running the uni's network? Didn't some uni's get sued for their students' illegal downloads? |
| [21:14:05] | wagnerrp: | coldpenguin: oh, im sure he has all sorts of crap on that thing that shouldnt be there |
| [21:14:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im responsible in so far as im the only one taking the initiative to try to fix things when they break |
| [21:14:36] | sphery: | anykey_: yeah, I meant that more as, "Don't worry about not doing it because I'm sure it won't take me long," not, "You're lazy because it's easy..." |
| [21:14:46] | wagnerrp: | were actually off campus, on a roadrunner business line |
| [21:14:47] | coldpenguin: | wagnerrp, you could be really popular and ask for those ports to be blocked |
| [21:14:58] | anykey_: | sphery: ok :) |
| [21:15:16] | wagnerrp: | i just need to use said internet, and i dont want to be dicking around with ssh back to campus at 600–700ms |
| [21:15:32] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [21:16:54] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, no one has ever gone after the uni for downloading on their network |
| [21:17:09] | coldpenguin: | thinking about it, is your router upnp? You could in theory send some packets to register all of the ports that emule needs back to yourself (or a spoofed IP) |
| [21:17:15] | wagnerrp: | but the uni had gone after a couple people for doing so... basically they just lost their network access |
| [21:17:51] | wagnerrp: | coldpenguin: each of the labs runs off their own NAT box, chained off the main modem/switch |
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| [21:21:38] | coldpenguin: | hmm, that'll be difficult. How about slightly unplug the cable to his lab :) |
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| [21:25:47] | coldpenguin: | 'night all |
| [21:27:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Thanks for the suggestion on reading the "Best PCI HD capture card?" thread... It was really quite amusing. Perfect for killing time while cooling down before going out to mow the lawn. |
| [21:27:45] | iamlindoro: | sphery: heh |
| [21:29:12] | sphery: | "15 GB per hour range"--impressive for a spec that max'es out just over 19Mbps. |
| [21:29:14] | wagnerrp: | wow, 15GB/hr |
| [21:30:11] | sphery: | I have no idea where he did he research, but if that's (and all the other things he read about the HVR-1600 and HD-5500) are really out there, it's no wonder people have such a hard time choosing capture cards when they get started. |
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| [21:31:16] | sphery: | I think, though, his picture quality issues will be 100% due to trying to do HDTV over wifi |
| [21:32:06] | Nafai: | Is there a list somewhere of "this is a great hardware combination to run MythTV on"? I'd rather not try figuring all that stuff out |
| [21:32:38] | sphery: | though there's some info in the wiki, I'm not sure I'd trust it too much |
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| [21:33:48] | sphery: | generally, though, go for a powerful CPU to allow high-definition decoding in software; nvidia graphics cards are easy to set up; capture cards need to be chosen based on your location/how you're getting TV/TV standards |
| [21:34:23] | sphery: | and, IMHO, you should get a nice 80 PLUS power supply and, ideally, a low-TDP CPU (i.e. a 65W TDP or lower CPU) |
| [21:35:10] | sphery: | and you can still get some nice CPU's in that range (i.e. just don't buy the latest/greatest CPU) |
| [21:36:01] | sphery: | I'd recommend something in the 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo or Athlon X2 range or above |
| [21:36:21] | sphery: | and faster dual core is better than slower quad core |
| [21:37:31] | wagnerrp: | not for (some) h264 |
| [21:37:43] | ** Nafai nods ** | |
| [21:38:03] | sphery: | though if you have multithreaded H.264 decode, you shouldn't need more than dual core, so... |
| [21:38:13] | Nafai: | I'm in the US, going to be getting my TV signal over cable (straight cable, no box) or from a digital OTA antenna eventually |
| [21:38:29] | sphery: | OTA ftw!!!! |
| [21:38:39] | wagnerrp: | you need a pretty high end dual core to do some of the higher bitrate blu-ray stuff |
| [21:38:44] | sphery: | why pay a cable company that tries to prevent you from using your TV the way you want |
| [21:39:09] | Nafai: | sphery: Comes with my HOA fees of my condo |
| [21:39:12] | Nafai: | - State "DONE" from "TODO" [2009-07–24 Fri 15:36] |
| [21:39:12] | Nafai: | - State "TODO" from "DONE" [2009-07–24 Fri 15:36] |
| [21:39:19] | Nafai: | Whoops, sorry for the paste |
| [21:39:32] | wagnerrp: | 1–2 lines of paste is acceptable |
| [21:39:38] | wagnerrp: | more requires a pastebin |
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| [21:40:11] | wagnerrp: | aside from that seeming to be random garbage |
| [21:40:16] | Nafai: | It was :) |
| [21:40:29] | Nafai: | So are Hauppage cards generally the best supported or is there another card to recommend? |
| [21:41:16] | wagnerrp: | for what input? |
| [21:41:20] | sphery: | For digital I'd buy based on price |
| [21:41:37] | sphery: | I've been lookign at the HVR-1600 and HVR-1250, though |
| [21:42:50] | FR^2: | <-- Terratec Cinergy DVB-C |
| [21:43:15] | Nafai: | cable |
| [21:43:52] | sphery: | the HVR-1600 has the nice benefit that you could use its analog side to capture (standard def versions of) any channels that your cable co encrypts (after decoding with the STB) |
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| [21:46:00] | Nafai: | Yeah, that looks nic |
| [21:46:02] | Nafai: | nice |
| [21:47:36] | orogor: | coldpenguin, still here ? |
| [21:47:47] | orogor: | i think there s somethign wrong with the channel mapping |
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| [22:03:09] | mchou: | avoid hvr-1600 |
| [22:03:15] | Nafai: | mchou: whyfor? |
| [22:03:19] | mchou: | big POS |
| [22:03:35] | mchou: | digital side is very borked |
| [22:03:47] | mchou: | no PID filtering |
| [22:04:01] | mchou: | massive PCI bus saturation |
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| [22:04:44] | orogor: | Canceled recording (Recorder Failed): X-Files "El Chupacabra": channel 11096 on cardid 1, sourceid 1 |
| [22:04:54] | orogor: | that should have been channel 12 or 112 |
| [22:05:00] | orogor: | i guess channel 12 |
| [22:05:01] | Nafai: | mchou: Do you have another recommendation? I suck at picking hardware :) |
| [22:05:55] | iamlindoro: | Nafai: So does he |
| [22:06:10] | iamlindoro: | Nafai: Any issues he's mentioning have long since been fixed in the driver, here comes the yelling |
| [22:06:17] | ** iamlindoro yawns, gets popcorn ** | |
| [22:06:31] | mchou: | iamlindoro: you're misinformed as usual |
| [22:06:48] | mchou: | I'm using latest kernel and latest drivers |
| [22:07:04] | mchou: | the HW doesnt even work right in windoze |
| [22:07:14] | iamlindoro: | Nafai: mchou is one of our channel trolls, though he's the loudest, anything he says should be taken with a large grain of salt or disregarded entirely |
| [22:07:24] | Nafai: | ok :) |
| [22:07:36] | mchou: | I recommend anything with xc5000 tuner |
| [22:08:07] | mchou: | Nafai: google "ad hominem" |
| [22:08:45] | mchou: | Nafai: notice iamlindoro doesnt have any specific rebuttal to my points besides calling me a troll |
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| [22:10:06] | mchou: | iamlindoro: stop being a pussy |
| [22:10:40] | ** meshe watches the maturity level go through the roof ** | |
| [22:11:06] | CoreDump|cf-18: | someone has quite the potty mouth\ |
| [22:11:57] | mchou: | CoreDump|cf-18: that's cause your mind is in the gutter |
| [22:12:17] | mchou: | pussy doesnt mean what you THINK it means in this context |
| [22:12:18] | CoreDump|cf-18: | yeah, must be me |
| [22:13:03] | mchou: | CoreDump|cf-18: I just said it was you |
| [22:14:00] | mchou: | CoreDump|cf-18: apparent you think "ad hominem" is "potty mouth" as well |
| [22:14:01] | CoreDump|cf-18: | you assume that I actually care what you have to say ;) Learn some manners and maybe some day I will. |
| [22:14:23] | mchou: | that's rich |
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| [22:30:35] | ** dustybin steals iamlindoro popcorn ** | |
| [22:31:41] | vontrapp: | my mythfrontend keeps crashing everytime playback of a recording finishes |
| [22:31:55] | vontrapp: | whether i choose save, delete or just back button |
| [22:32:05] | vontrapp: | it segfaults |
| [22:33:06] | dustybin: | vontrapp: hmm, sounds like you are using a pirated version of mythtv |
| [22:33:35] | mchou: | vontrapp: revert versions |
| [22:34:02] | CoreDump|cf-18: | yeah, you didn't buy the family-license, right? |
| [22:34:17] | mchou: | vontrapp: unless you compiled with debug info, getting rto root cause is gonna be difficult |
| [22:34:25] | mchou: | to* |
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| [22:35:39] | vontrapp: | well i guess i'll compile with debug support |
| [22:35:48] | vontrapp: | maybe when i do that it will go away anyway :p |
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| [22:35:54] | vontrapp: | currently it's the ubuntu version |
| [22:36:21] | crankharder: | if I have more than one monitor, how do I tell myth which monitor to open up on? |
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| [22:42:38] | krisb: | crankharder: are you using xinerama/twinview or just multiple X screens? |
| [22:43:20] | krisb: | theres supposed to be an option in the menus, but I believe thats just for xinerama, if you're using multiple screens you can start it with mythfrontend -display :0.1 |
| [22:44:06] | crankharder: | krisb: xinerama |
| [22:44:26] | krisb: | hmm, I never found that option in the menus, but have a look anyway |
| [22:44:30] | krisb: | I might just be blind |
| [22:44:55] | krisb: | just assumed it was an xinerama only option |
| [22:44:57] | crankharder: | so w/ xinerama i can't choose on the cmd line? |
| [22:45:23] | krisb: | you could try |
| [22:45:39] | crankharder: | that display thing didn't work, and if I understand xinerama correctly there's only one 'real' display anyways |
| [22:45:49] | krisb: | yeah |
| [22:46:00] | krisb: | did you compile myth with xinerama support? |
| [22:46:07] | crankharder: | didn't compile it |
| [22:46:12] | crankharder: | ubuntu package |
| [22:46:54] | crankharder: | yea nothin in the menus i see |
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| [22:47:58] | krisb: | don't know then, I don't use xinerama and I can't find anything in the menus either, but the display option works for me |
| [22:48:43] | krisb: | you might be able to force it to the second screen with -geometry, but thats really not an ideal option |
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| [22:49:44] | crankharder: | know where the docs are on that? |
| [22:49:58] | krisb: | have you checked the wiki? |
| [22:50:17] | crankharder: | yea saw a couple things but weren't helpful |
| [22:51:13] | krisb: | To make mythfrontend start on the same xinerama screen every time, go to: "Setup->Apperance" and set the correct xinerama screen (mythtv may need to be compiled with xinerama support). |
| [22:51:32] | krisb: | guess if it's not in the menu you don't have xinerama support |
| [22:52:05] | krisb: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Running_MythTV_Dual_Headed |
| [22:52:08] | crankharder: | yea --version says its not there |
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| [22:59:01] | crankharder: | the geometry option actually works very well |
| [22:59:04] | crankharder: | krisb: ^ |
| [22:59:19] | krisb: | yeah it's a bit of a hack but it'll do the job |
| [22:59:21] | crankharder: | pretty much just need two panel buttons now... |
| [22:59:28] | krisb: | untill you change screen resolution or anything like that |
| [22:59:36] | crankharder: | probably not doing that much |
| [22:59:56] | crankharder: | need someway to change my mplayer cmd to use -xinerama option and i'm set |
| [23:00:11] | krisb: | yeah, mplayer needs to be compiled with xinerama too |
| [23:00:20] | crankharder: | well ubuntu mplayer already is :) |
| [23:00:27] | crankharder: | so success w/o recompiling, makes me happy |
| [23:00:30] | krisb: | but don't come complaining if things pop up on the wrong screen with the -geometry option :p |
| [23:00:45] | crankharder: | i'll tell em all you recommended it |
| [23:00:46] | crankharder: | :) |
| [23:01:13] | krisb: | :p |
| [23:01:24] | krisb: | now if I only could get the "##"/% backend installed |
| [23:01:30] | krisb: | broken CD drive is fun |
| [23:01:42] | crankharder: | you dont need that |
| [23:02:02] | krisb: | I can't be bothered configuring netboot |
| [23:02:28] | crankharder: | egad, I have to do that in the near future, not looking forward to it |
| [23:02:30] | krisb: | I put the ubuntu mini image on a xD card and a USB memory reader, thats the only hardware I had :p |
| [23:02:59] | krisb: | though grub hates me now |
| [23:09:21] | CoreDump|cf-18: | krisb: I never had much luck running from SD / MMC cards. Ubuntu on a thumbdrive rocks tho. |
| [23:09:59] | krisb: | yeah SD/MMC can be a pain, but the USB reader just emulates a USB storage device |
| [23:10:02] | krisb: | got it running now |
| [23:10:12] | dustybin: | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/evolution-linux-geek |
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| [23:30:07] | crankharder: | hmm, okay so I need to change which mplayer command I use... I was thinking of setting "~/.mythtv/launchMplayer" inside of the mythVideo settings — and then change what launchMplayer pointed to |
| [23:30:36] | crankharder: | which is one of two files that gets changed, but for some reason it's not passing the file name param to launchMplayer |
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| [23:41:38] | GreyFoxx: | Do you need to put a %s in the commandline for myth to know where to place the filename > |
| [23:41:39] | GreyFoxx: | ? |
| [23:41:56] | GreyFoxx: | Its been years since I used and external player with mythvideo so my memory might be fuzzy |
| [23:42:20] | crankharder: | it was $1 in the scripts.. no %s in myth |
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