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Wednesday, July 22nd, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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kormoc:

sphery, for me, the emails arrived within seconds typically

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sphery:

hmmm

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sphery:

weird

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sphery:

bet they're going to XBL, then

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kormoc:

sad

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sphery:

which makes me wonder if the password is my XBL password--but I had to change the XBL password I had when I first got Orange Box

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sphery:

so I don't know that one, either

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kormoc:

:(

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sphery:

guess I'll play with it once I get my xbox back

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sphery:

hmmm... I know I had it installed and logging in on my computer once because it came with an ATI driver update

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sphery:

so I'd think the e-mails would be normal ones.

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sphery:

kormoc: anyway, thanks for checking

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JackTheBiscuit:

Hi I'm not sure how to go about this. I am currently using an intel chipset and outputting though an ADD2 card to a CRT widescreen TV and the TV is displaying it 4:3 which leads me to believe I am not getting as much resolution as perhaps I could. I'm using karmic latest kernel and intel drivers

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kormoc:

JackTheBiscuit, is the TV hd or just sd aspected WS?

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JackTheBiscuit:

SD not sure what you mean by aspected WS

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kormoc:

So then yes, it's just aspected not resolution

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kormoc:

it's still 480i, just wider, so no, there's no missing resolution to be had

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kormoc:

your picture might get better if you actually give X the correct dimensions so it can figure out the correct DPI's, but it's a crap shoot

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JackTheBiscuit:

Thank you you have been more help I didn't know many of the terms

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sphery:

JackTheBiscuit: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size (see the bottom section, Calculating your own values , especially)

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JackTheBiscuit:

thank you

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sphery:

I just realized why I couldn't get gbee's dd-wrt exploit to work on my router--I run OpenWRT, not dd-wrt...

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wagnerrp:

...

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sphery:

yeah, it's been one of those days

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wagnerrp:

but youre supposed to be running dd-wrt! didnt you know, thats how open source works!

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sphery:

heh, yeah, lending new meaning to "Open" in "Open Source"

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superdug:

open sores?

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wagnerrp:

what is this exploit?

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sphery:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/21/criti . . . router_vuln/

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sphery:

you can see the code for the "or even:" if you look at the HTML source (they forgot to < the tag)

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wagnerrp:

ah, so nothing you have to worry about if your dd-wrt units are not your primary routers

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

my WRT unit isn't the primary, so I wasn't concerned, but was interested

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sphery:

there is a fix, though, at http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/down.php?path= . . . 1-09-r12533/

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wagnerrp:

so you get someone to click on a link (or image) that links back to the router and hits it with a url specially crafted to open up a management port

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wagnerrp:

which is not a problem if your ddwrt systems are not even given internet access

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superdug:

wagnerrp: it still requires a level of social engineering ... albeit pretty easy considering all the places that allow linkage and images on their fourms/comments

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clever:

sphery: this is why i run a custom os on my router:P

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clever:

sphery: you can only admin it thru ssh

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superdug:

wagnerrp: most dd-wrt users use it as an edge router though

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sphery:

yeah, nothing like security through obscurity

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clever:

sphery: ssh is secure by design

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clever:

and by being unique, i cant get hit by a blanket attack aimed at 1000's

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wagnerrp:

security through obscurity works just fine if youre not a sufficient target for a knowledgeable person to go after you

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clever:

wagnerrp: the ssh port is only open to the internal network

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clever:

you would have to somehow hijack an internal system before you can even start on the ssh

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sphery:

the unique OS is the obscurity part

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clever:

linux 2.6.16.27

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wagnerrp:

rather aged

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clever:

iptables is blocking 99.999% of all traffic aimed at the router itself

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superdug:

lulz my router isn't vulnerable because I never upgraded to v24sp1

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clever:

so youll either have to exploit a problem in the DNAT rule, or find a flaw that works on blocked ports

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wagnerrp:

not 100%?

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superdug:

laziness = security

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clever:

port 6667 is open, but leads to a non-root user

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wagnerrp:

i mean technically, there is no reason for a firewall to even be accessible on the network

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sphery:

I like Bruce Schneier's description of security, "If I take a letter, lock it in a safe, hide the safe somewhere in New York, then tell you to read the letter, that's not security. That's obscurity. On the other hand, if I take a letter and lock it in a safe, and then give you the safe along with the design specifications of the safe and a hundred identical safes with their combinations so that you and the world's best ...

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sphery:

... safecrackers can study the locking mechanism--and you still can't open the safe and read the letter--that's security." (from the preface of Applied Security. All typos/spelling errors are mine, not Bruce's)

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sphery:

s/Applied Security/Applied Cryptography/

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wagnerrp:

if i didnt need to run NAT, i might consider taking my firewall completely offline, with command/control only accessible through the serial port

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superdug:

wagnerrp: why not just an unconnected ethernet port?

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clever:

wagnerrp: thats relatively less secure, since a root level program on the other end of the serial cable can login

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sphery:

physical security is a very important part of security

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wagnerrp:

clever: assuming you leave the serial connection logged in all the time

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clever:

wagnerrp: doesnt have to be logged in

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clever:

wagnerrp: if its psysicaly wired in, then your basicaly giving root on the other end, telnet access

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sphery:

as anyone with physical access to a system can a) read the contents of the filesystem; or even just b) replace the system (even temporarily)

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superdug:

sphery: yup, if I can touch the box ... I can pwn it

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clever:

unencrypted logins

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clever:

sphery: yeah, its in a unlocked room in my basement, with no case on the box

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superdug:

sphery: or in most instances ... mount the file system and manipulate the login credentials

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superdug:

"but but bios passwords!!!"

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superdug:

which thanks to standards ... is thwarted by unplugging a battery

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clever:

at that point, theres no need to hack the bloody firewalls

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superdug:

clever: hence why a double locked door with separate entry methods is also a pretty standard requirement for data centers

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superdug:

however, if for $200 you can "rent" space in the same data center ...

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clever:

you will have psysical access to the servers it protects

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clever:

superdug: the bios pw only works if the case is also locked

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sphery:

superdug: Yep... I actually rely on that for ease of maintenance of my systems. No one knows root password on any of my systems (and the root pw is automatically changed daily with a cron job). When I lose my kerberos server or otherwise lose access to a system, I just hack the system by booting with a separate boot/root and editing the /etc/passwd file directly to create a temp password to fix things up.

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clever:

superdug: i dont need such insane security

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clever:

i just need something to block the general script kiddie that has no idea what he is doing

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superdug:

clever: it's not that insane ... every off site service I've installed ... that was the norm

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sphery:

It's nice to not have to know any root passwords

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clever:

sphery: ubuntu just locks root out completely:P

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clever:

sounds safer

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superdug:

sphery: yeah, I'm okay with the root password being known ... but unless you have physical access to the machine ... the root password is worthless

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sphery:

Same thing with MySQL. A script sets the MySQL root password and no one knows it because it's a cinch to reset it.

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sphery:

sphery: but *buntu uses sudo, which has its own weaknesses

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superdug:

sudo > wheel

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superdug:

:-)

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clever:

sphery: what weakness does sudo have?

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sphery:

true, wheel is bad

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clever:

su just lets them run whatever they want as the target user

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clever:

sudo lets me control what the user can run

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clever:

for example, mythtv can run shutdown, but not rm

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clever:

so mythfrontend can safely shutdown the box, but it can never rm -rf /

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sphery:

well, there's the "only ask password every 5 minutes or so" as well as the whole, "people who are /supposed/ to use it hate it so they tend to work around it" issue

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sphery:

granted, you can modify them, but ...

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superdug:

sphery: sudo su -

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superdug:

:-)

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clever:

superdug: sudo -i

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sphery:

superdug: yeah, or sudo -i

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clever:

sphery: i set it so mythtv doesnt need a password to run shutdown

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sphery:

but, if /I/ am the one writing sudo rules, what's the point of my limiting what /I/ can do with sudo

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superdug:

I was at a place once ... where they literally deleted the passwd and su commands from the box

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sphery:

as /I/ can just unlimit it when /I/ want

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superdug:

which was more silly than useful

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sphery:

anyway, I use ksu and disable su

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clever:

sphery: sudo is more to automaticaly 'logout' of root when you stop using it, and to give limited access to sub-admins

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sphery:

I have sudo, but only use it on unconnected systems (without access to the kerberos server)

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clever:

so you cant forget a root shell open when you walk away for an hour

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clever:

remind me, what does kerberos do?

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clever:

basicaly a networked server for passwd?

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superdug:

remote token auth

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sphery:

It's an authentication server

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clever:

so its basicaly a networked server for passwd

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superdug:

it's like LDAP ... for people who like to make things difficult(er)

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sphery:

never sends password over network

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sphery:

(another problem with sudo--if ssh'ed...)

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clever:

sphery: yeah, it would use encryption to keep it safe

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clever:

2009-07–21 21:58:28.730 3017874272 write -> 24 19 ANN Monitor theP4 0

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clever:

2009-07–21 21:58:28.750 3017874272 read <- 24 2 OK

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clever:

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

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sphery:

clever: yeah, but why even send the password over the network?

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clever:

ok, we can stop being off-topic now, i have a problem:P

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superdug:

I run under the theory ... that if you need two unique keys or two unique passphrases ... to gain access ... "safe enough"

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sphery:

heh, you're right, though--we probably should cut out the OT

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superdug:

sphery: ldap just sends hashes

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sphery:

even if it's only a password equivalent, it must be protected the same as a password (hashes are equivalents)

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superdug:

and uses ssl :-)

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clever:

loading core dump...

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sphery:

I'll admit kerberos has its own issues, but...

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clever:

Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)

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clever:

ugh

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clever:

this is new

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superdug:

clever: download latest nightly and try again?

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sphery:

stack smashing bug?

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clever:

superdug: mines a few weeks old, so i got another dl, but havent installed it yet

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superdug:

is myth going to move to a more modern vcs?

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clever:

sphery: i dougth anybody is trying to hax my frontend

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clever:

sphery: it implodes every time the backend goes silent for 5 seconds

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clever:

and the problem happened at 21:58:28, right when it switched between 2 recording files and rescheduled

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clever:

009-07–21 22:06:19.004 NVP(0): Video is 3.01988 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.

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clever:

thats new

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GreyFoxx:

superdug "vcs" ?

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superdug:

version control system ... ie: mercurial, bazaar, git

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superdug:

in that order hopefully :-)

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clever:

i dont see whats wrong with svn?

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GreyFoxx:

There has been no talk on that subject at all.

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sphery:

are Hg and bzr actually considered modern/good?

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clever:

i use bzr on my irc bouncer

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superdug:

sphery: hg is pretty awesome

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clever:

though i use it so rarely, that i forget the commands

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GreyFoxx:

At this point there is really no reason to change what is working :)

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sphery:

clever: you're not the author of bitlbee are you?

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clever:

sphery: i'm a user, not an admin

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clever:

same as in here

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: though I think janneg would be all for switching to git

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sphery:

clever: just wondered since you said, "my"... I use bitlbee, too

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sphery:

(though I've never contributed anything to it)

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superdug:

git is okay ... there's a module to switch between hg and git that works very well

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clever:

sphery: i was refering to the irc bouncer i use, ctrlproxy

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mkrufky:

hi .... when v4l-dvb switched from cvs to hg, i was resistant at first, but now that its grown on me, i absolutely love it

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superdug:

mkrufky: hg clone repo

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clever:

sphery: i think i helped one of them with a patch a while ago

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superdug:

done. :-)

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sphery:

I guess I'll have to give hg another chance

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sphery:

First impressions I hated it and bzr

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mkrufky:

i hated bzr too, but i think i didnt really give it a chance

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mkrufky:

i think my biggest problem with bzr was that i HAD to use it

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superdug:

I'm not a fan of bzr so much ... but it's at least very unlike tla/arch now ... that its pallatable

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sphery:

Though the 125 git programs is similarly annoying on first impressions

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clever:

git has a neat idea to it

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superdug:

hg is more portable though

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mkrufky:

sphery: if you're referring to git-foo-command, thats been changed

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clever:

every client stores the full history of the repo

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mkrufky:

sphery: new git has all those commands consolidated into the single 'git' binary

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clever:

sphery: yeah it can be a steep learning curve, but you can lookup past changes alot more without going online

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sphery:

mkrufky: cool... I have an old git, still, so I'll be happy to see my clean bin dir after upgrade

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superdug:

yeah ... original linus git ... scary

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superdug:

but they are improving it

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clever:

i use git for wine

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clever:

bzr for ctrlproxy

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clever:

and svn for mythtv, mplayer, and ffmpeg

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sphery:

mkrufky: as long as it's not one binary with 124 hard links :)

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mkrufky:

when i first started on hg, it felt fragile to me, similar to how git is somewhat fragile ... you can easily botch your repo if you dont know what ur doing

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mkrufky:

lol

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clever:

and svn on all of my private stuff

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mkrufky:

but if u botch a repo, it was only THAT COPY of it that gor ruined

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superdug:

mkrufky: yeah, but now that everything is a meta changeset ... undoing something is actually a breeze

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clever:

mkrufky: i used a new svn client on my local copy of a checkout, and now i'm somewhat screwed:P

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mkrufky:

oh, that blows

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clever:

mkrufky: i can think of several ways to fix it, but dont want to bother

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mkrufky:

u should see the things they use at the jobs ive had ....

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superdug:

perforce!

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mkrufky:

the very idea of a SCM NOT being able to be used for research ... .just horrible

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superdug:

mkrufky: my first job I was introduced to visual source safe

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mkrufky:

the most use i get out of git and hg are in their web interfaces, reading code and analyzing changesets — thats how i learned to work in the areas im good at

[01:15:34]

mkrufky:

source safe — prime example

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mkrufky:

thats the worst thing ive used in the world, next to email, of course

[01:15:54]

mkrufky:

(whomever invented email should be shot)

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GreyFoxx:

At my last j ob they used perforce.... I hated it :)

[01:16:24]

mkrufky:

does micro$oft have anything newer than sourcesafe yet?

[01:16:27]

GreyFoxx:

though now that it has been 3+ years my memories of exactly why are fading :)

[01:16:37]

superdug:

there's a .net sourcesafe now :-)

[01:16:41]

mkrufky:

ugh

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sphery:

I did a 7-month contract at a company that had some commercial version control system (not saying it was the one superdug mentioned) and it was broken when I came in. They said it would be up soon. A week later, we installed an unauthorized SVN on one of the dev's workstations. When I finished the contract, the commercial one was still down and the SVN server had gotten moved to the development/test server.

[01:17:02]

superdug:

mkrufky: visual studios 2008 has a mercurial plugin too now ... so all is not lost

[01:17:28]

mkrufky:

working in the kernel gave me good practice for dealing with group development .... it it wasnt for that, i cant imagine all the bad habits i would have picked up from source safe et al

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mkrufky:

whoah! i want it!

[01:18:04]

superdug:

source safe had awesome features ... like if you wanted to piss off a dev ... just check out the module they were trying to work on

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mkrufky:

superdug: does the plug-in come with it, or is it a separate add on?

[01:18:12]

superdug:

"sorry that file is locked"

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mkrufky:

check in some files over a VPN — thats always fun

[01:18:25]

superdug:

mkrufky: addon ... there's a mercurial plugin for netbeans and eclipse as well

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clever:

mkrufky: i think svn has that too

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mkrufky:

oops, master database is currupted, your entire business is lost — i hope you have a backup

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superdug:

and hg tourtoise make even the most embeddened ms developer less fearful of change

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kormoc:

I doubt svn+ssh counts as a vpn

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nighthawk:

anyone here using the hvr 2250?

[01:30:17]

mkrufky:

is there something specific that you'd like to know, nighthawk ?

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dibbz:

eh

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dibbz:

easier than using sourcesafe, stop using crappy resource files that need it to start with :)

[01:37:50]

nighthawk:

mkrufky: mine seems to fail after some number of house (left on overnight) in that it will no longer tune stations, says no lock

[01:38:00]

nighthawk:

trying to determine if it is the card/driver or mythtv

[01:38:24]

mkrufky:

if you restart mythbackend, does that help?

[01:38:48]

nighthawk:

no, seems a reboot is required, which points to driver I think

[01:39:32]

nighthawk:

trying to figure out how to use the dvb app with it

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mkrufky:

which "dvb app" ?

[01:41:24]

nighthawk:

trying to start at the begining with dvbscan

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mkrufky:

btw, i am sure that stoth would like to hear about this particular issue

[01:41:33]

nighthawk:

tells me it is unable to open the frontend

[01:41:51]

nighthawk:

yeah, I'm checking everything before I write up my issue for him

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mkrufky:

nighthawk: you said 2250, right? so you live in atsc-land?

[01:42:02]

nighthawk:

yeah, I have comcast cable

[01:42:28]

nighthawk:

I tried using the base file, but I get the "failed to open frontend" message

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mkrufky:

ok, u should either use scan from dvb-apps or use w-scan

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mkrufky:

dvbscan wont work

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nighthawk:

oh

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nighthawk:

they are not the same thing?

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mkrufky:

i recommend w_scan, because i added the atsc/qam support myself ;-)

[01:43:17]

mkrufky:

if you can get dvbscan to work, then yes — it has to be the same thing

[01:43:27]

mkrufky:

but thats an IF

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nighthawk:

running scan and dvbscan generate different output..

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mkrufky:

lets make it easy and just use w_scan

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nighthawk:

where can I get ahold of that?

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mkrufky:

w_scan does not depend on any external scan files

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mkrufky:

you can download this tarball: http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/w_scan-20081106.tar.bz2

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mkrufky:

just do "make" on those files, then run ./w_scan -X -A2 > channels.conf

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mkrufky:

that will scan QAM

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nighthawk:

ah, it is in yum

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mkrufky:

if ur getting it from yum, just let me know the version of w_scan they give you

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nighthawk:

damn, "no useable dvb card found"

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mkrufky:

please use the tarball that i pointed above

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nighthawk:

the yum version is 20081106

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mkrufky:

grr

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mkrufky:

ok

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mkrufky:

try running it as root

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nighthawk:

nothing is ever easy, especially media on linux ;-)

[01:47:49]

mkrufky:

ie: maybe your user account doesnt have access to the dvb device

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nighthawk:

hey, we have activity!

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mkrufky:

good

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nighthawk:

wonder if that was holding up dvbscan

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mkrufky:

let it go — it will do a lot of failing at first, that just means theres no channel on THAT frequency

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nighthawk:

these need write access to the adapter I'm guessing?

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mkrufky:

no

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mkrufky:

you probably just have to add your username to the video group, or something like that

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nighthawk:

everything in /dev/dvb/adapter is 600 root:root

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nighthawk:

that seems problematic, though mythbackend was working fine

[01:50:40]

nighthawk:

does myth use a different mechanism?

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mkrufky:

mechanism for what?

[01:53:23]

nighthawk:

talking to the card

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mkrufky:

as opposed to?

[01:53:42]

nighthawk:

I can run mythfrontend/mythbackend as a regular user and it works (for a while)

[01:54:00]

nighthawk:

though the files in adapter0 are only readable by root

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mkrufky:

probably running it as "mythtv" who is probably in the "video" group

[01:54:09]

mkrufky:

just a guess

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nighthawk:

nope, everything is root:root... weird

[01:54:44]

nighthawk:

crw------- 1 root root 212, 2 2009-07–21 21:27 dvr0

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mkrufky:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 2 2009-07–19 10:01 dvr0

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nighthawk:

very curious...

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nighthawk:

once w_scan is done I'm going to startup myth to make sure it can tune, and I'm not crazy :-)

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mkrufky:

ok ... if you continue to have problems, you should make a comment on stoth's hvr2250 blog on www.kernellabs.com

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nighthawk:

will do

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mkrufky:

he'll definately be interested to hear about any bugs in the driver

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thedarkone:

wagnerrp the drive was defective

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wagnerrp:

that may be, but that had nothing to do with the errors you were describing

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thedarkone:

they said a chip blew

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wagnerrp:

a defective drive can and will trash your file system, but there is NO WAY a defective drive will delete everything off the file system, leaving it empty but otherwise intact and clean

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Essobi:

nope

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Essobi:

It won't... now a typoed find -delete could. ;)

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thedarkone:

yeah i know it wasn't even seeing the drive

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thedarkone:

as u pointed out that night

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nighthawk:

arg, I have a channels.conf from w_scan, but now trying to use czap it bombs out

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nighthawk:

ERROR: cannot parse service data

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Spikemcc:

can somone help me setup my first tv tuner on any little software ?

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Spikemcc:

ubuntu hardy heron 8.04.3 LTS x64 on a dell inspiron 1501 laptop with a hauppauge wintvpvr usb 2

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Spikemcc:

driver is included in the kernel

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nighthawk:

the wiki has info: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2

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Spikemcc:

thanks but I have done it an no tv tuner app work with it ... it play on mplayer well ...

[02:16:27]

nighthawk:

did myth work with it?

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nighthawk:

myth works with my tuner, but I am still fighting the dvb apps

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nighthawk:

so in my case myth was easier to make work :-)

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Spikemcc:

don't tried it, it's way too big for me now

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Spikemcc:

I want something small and easy at first

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mkrufky:

nighthawk: use azap

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mkrufky:

not czap

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nighthawk:

frak, works :-)

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nighthawk:

what is azap then? atsc?

[02:20:22]

mkrufky:

correct

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nighthawk:

I dont even think I saw that on the pages I've hit so far... this topic is clear as mud to a newb ;-)

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mkrufky:

i think most of the documentation is eurpopean-centric

[02:21:36]

mkrufky:

nobody cares about us StupidAmerican s

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nighthawk:

hehe, does seem that way

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nighthawk:

lots of aussie info too

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mkrufky:

im just kidding — im just plugging my other nick ;-)

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squish102:

how do I start mythfrontend on display 0 when i am ssh'ed into a box?

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nighthawk:

export DISPLAY=":0.0"

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squish102:

thanks

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nighthawk:

btw, is it possible to make mythfrontend read stdin?

[02:23:33]

nighthawk:

I hate having to plug in the keyboard stretched across the room

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thedarkone:

i get this error when i try to get firewire to work

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thedarkone:

http://pastebin.com/m5b6a33b

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GreyFoxx:

nighthawk: No

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GreyFoxx:

but you can use the telnet controls

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GreyFoxx:

I have an app that basically translates your keystrokes into telenet controll commands

[02:26:20]

GreyFoxx:

http://phaze.org/mythtv/cmdline-mythremote.tgz

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nighthawk:

is the telnet control like being local to the box?

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GreyFoxx:

it is using that app

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nighthawk:

misread, your app does that... I'll have to try that

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GreyFoxx:

I use it all the time

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GreyFoxx:

make sure telnet controls are on in the FE though though :)

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nighthawk:

this powerbook g4 is still good for something! even if just a mythtv remote

[02:30:56]

nighthawk:

according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tzap I should be able to azap tune a channel (which works and reports lock) and then cat the dvr0 to a mpg file, which results in 0 bytes

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squish102:

nighthawk i have x11vnc running, so i can vnc from remote machine and take over desktop (not to watch tv!)

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nighthawk:

maybe if I can come up to speed on the mythcode I'll just write my own stdin control

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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kormoc:

stdin control?

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nighthawk:

read keystrokes from stdin to control mythfrontend over ssh while testing

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mkrufky:

nighthawk: azap WABC_HD -r

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mkrufky:

make sure to use the -r

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nighthawk:

does it matter if the -r is last?

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mkrufky:

then, leave that running .... in another shell, do "mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0"

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clever:

nighthawk: telnet protocol

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mkrufky:

no, doesnt matter

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mkrufky:

nighthawk: and for even more fun ..... after you're done with that ... copy the channels.conf file from ~/.azap into ~/.mplayer .... and then try " mplayer dvb://WABC_HD"

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nighthawk:

does azap need to be running in the background while I cat the dvr0?

[02:35:11]

mkrufky:

ta da!

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mkrufky:

yes

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sphery:

nighthawk: why not just use the telnet control

[02:35:26]

nighthawk:

ahhh, that was the missing link then

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mkrufky:

but using the mplayer dvb:// command, it eliminates the need for azap

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nighthawk:

sphery: that demands another window open, what fun is that?

[02:35:50]

nighthawk:

nice, mplayer for the win!

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sphery:

well, if you use screen, it's only another shell (Ctrl-A, C) :)

[02:36:19]

nighthawk:

I need to get my awesome vdpau mplayer script wrapped up and sharable

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nighthawk:

sphery: good point

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GreyFoxx:

What does the script do ?

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nighthawk:

it is based on that ubuntu forum one, but I improved it a lot

[02:37:44]

nighthawk:

it will xrandr change res to match the file fps

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GreyFoxx:

That doesnt tell me much , not being an ubuntu user ;)

[02:38:00]

nighthawk:

one sec...

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kormoc:

erm... they're unrelated, the whole FPS and screen resolution

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nighthawk:

sorry, not res, refresh

[02:42:00]

nighthawk:

guess it wasn't ubuntu... or they had a similar thread (and for the record I'm running fedora!)

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nighthawk:

http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p= . . . 4cffe5ab0452

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nighthawk:

that is the base script I found, which is reasonably good

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nighthawk:

here is a recent draft of mine: http://sites.google.com/site/andycarr/home/ht . . . config?pli=1

[02:45:21]

nighthawk:

I want to also detect the audio track, if it is 2ch then pipe it to an ac3 alsa upscale

[02:47:10]

nighthawk:

right now I'm fighting xvid over xv stutter when refresh is matched :\

[02:47:41]

GreyFoxx:

I think I saw a patch in trac to get myth to change the refresh rate, though to be honest I've played with it in the past and not really seen a difference :)

[02:48:07]

nighthawk:

do you have a 120hz display?

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GreyFoxx:

offhand I don't know the refresh rate of my LCD tv

[02:49:07]

nighthawk:

it is still a selling point, so I'd guess yours is 60hz

[02:49:30]

nighthawk:

the motion compensation part isn't worthwhile, except maybe for sports

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GreyFoxx:

No worries about that in my house :)

[02:49:51]

sphery:

iamlindoro: is #6750 your "requires a make clean" bug?

[02:49:54]

nighthawk:

it has an unsettling effect at times, in the "uncanny valley"

[02:49:56]

GreyFoxx:

other than the summer olympics :)

[02:50:40]

nighthawk:

perfect use case, remove motion blur from female voleyball matches for enhanced viewing!

[02:51:17]

nighthawk:

the 24hz no judder does seem to be slightly smoother when I'm using my script to view

[02:51:55]

nighthawk:

but, could be entirely placebo

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sphery:

nighthawk: which compensation effect does your 120Hz LCD use, the show frame/show nothing (or darkened frame) approach or the "let's try to invent what would have been the frame between these two frames by smearing movement" approach?

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sphery:

I'm guessing since you said motion compensation it's the latter

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nighthawk:

I've got a samsung, a650 w/ AMP

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nighthawk:

so it is the invent approach

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sphery:

I, personally, hate that approach. The black/dark frame approach is nice, but manufacturers don't like it becaues it reduces brightness

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nighthawk:

however, it doesn't result in a smear, but a crispness

[02:53:53]

nighthawk:

too much crispness

[02:54:14]

nighthawk:

the most generic description is that it will make a theatrical feature look like it was daytime soap opera footage

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sphery:

yeah, I haven't been impressed with it

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nighthawk:

I keep it off

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nighthawk:

really it is an entirely different feature than the 120hz part of the equation

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sphery:

I'm happier with the reduced brightness that just compensates for LCD shortcomings

[02:55:14]

nighthawk:

but marketing mixed them together

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sphery:

but then again, I still have an old DLP, so I don't have to worry about it for now

[02:55:43]

nighthawk:

I haven't had issue with my LCD, but it is relatively modern

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sphery:

(just hoping my DLP lasts until SED is available :)

[02:56:06]

nighthawk:

SED? don't recognize that one

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sphery:

SED is NED done with technology we have today (i.e. it's cheating to get a NED-like TV)

[02:56:40]

sphery:

basically all the benefits of CRT's without any of the problems of them

[02:57:03]

sphery:

Surface-conduction electron-emitter display

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nighthawk:

hmm, looking at wikipedia, looks like the big advantage is power consumption

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sphery:

instead of a huge tube for the CRT, it's 2 glass panels separated by millimeters and instead of a single electron gun, there are millions of "guns" on the back panel

[02:58:20]

sphery:

yeah, huge advantage is power consumption

[02:58:22]

sphery:

also brightness

[02:58:25]

sphery:

viewing angle

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nighthawk:

I recall reading of mini crt groupings years ago, this seems the evolution of that

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sphery:

Yeah. NED is the ultimate evolution, but we don't have the tech for it, yet.

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nighthawk:

the samsung lcd model I have has no issues with brightness (I have it tuned down to 6/10) or viewing angle

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nighthawk:

beats my old 29" wega :-)

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sphery:

but since only Canon can do SED (patents/licensing agreement with the tech owners), everyone else is working on NED

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wagnerrp:

havent heard of NED before

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nighthawk:

yeah, this is all new to me as well

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sphery:

NED is FED – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_emission_display

[03:00:42]

wagnerrp:

well SED is old stuff... theyve been talking about it for almost a decade

[03:00:51]

wagnerrp:

but it got caught up in patent limbo

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sphery:

specifially FED with carbon nanotubes

[03:01:16]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, stupid patents

[03:01:36]

wagnerrp:

isnt there something about patents, where if you dont bring them to market in a certain number of years, they void out?

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nighthawk:

looks like an OLED type solution... just a few years away, and always will be :-P to rip off the fusion quote

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wagnerrp:

to prevent people from patenting something, and then sitting on them so no one else can use it

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nighthawk:

wagnerrp: not in the US sadly

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sphery:

well, the patent is only good for 20 yrs, right?

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nighthawk:

there are huge firms that do exactly and ONLY that

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nighthawk:

12 I think

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sphery:

(of course, that's a long time in tech)

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bfleming:

hello — depends on the type, such as music or lit is different than tech (in terms of copyright)

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wagnerrp:

nighthawk: theres a difference, there are huge firms that do that for the purpose of licensing the technology for others to actually produce it

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sphery:

Wow... Seems everyone has dropped FED/NED development due to money problems. Guess SED will have to do.

[03:03:52]

bfleming:

I was at a firm that had a patent on remote software updating, I think about 20 yrs before it expires

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bfleming:

*expired

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sphery:

yeah, the copyright lifetime is so wrong...

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sphery:

stupid company with a huge theme park an hour from my house

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nighthawk:

wagnerrp: a better example would be IBM's patent stockpiling, they sit on them in case someone sues them, then they look to see if the guys suing them violate anything they have

[03:04:26]

nighthawk:

ip Mutually Assured Destruction

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nighthawk:

it is a good example of the kind of shenanigans that spings up as unintended consequences of federal laws

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bfleming:

patents had a good place a long time ago — otherwise there would be no benefit to inventing something

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sphery:

yeah, but long ago the US PTO only allowed patenting inventions (versus ideas or processor or /software/)

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sphery:

s/processor/processes/

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bfleming:

now the scale of companies makes it unfair

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sphery:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

patents were always intended to benefit the inventor, not the company

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nighthawk:

mkrufky: epic win on the mplayer dvb:// thing, thanks :-D

[03:08:03]

mkrufky:

happy to help

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bfleming:

seems to that improvements in software can be very incremental, but inventions in the past were huge

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bfleming:

seems to me*

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bfleming:

like, "let's patent a single click"

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mkrufky:

nighthawk: next, try hitting k or l while playing a video in mplayer using dvb://

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nighthawk:

does mplayer support channel changing?

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bfleming:

bullsh*t

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bfleming:

mplayer reads a stream or file, afaik

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bfleming:

you might be able to retune the source device tho while mplayer is reading the stream

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nighthawk:

k & h by default...

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how SEDs compare with OLEDs

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nighthawk:

though it seems there is too much junk in my channels.conf

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nighthawk:

will w_scan filter encrypted channels?

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wagnerrp:

considering theyre very similar in operation (in that you have individual light emitting pixels)

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nighthawk:

SED looks like phosphor

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nighthawk:

where OLED is like LED, direct light emission

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wagnerrp:

i know they function completely differently

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wagnerrp:

but the result is very similar

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nighthawk:

so I'd guess that whichever can do a broader spectrum of colors is better

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iamlindoro:

sphery, 6750 = Not exactly the same, so I dunno

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nighthawk:

since there are some knowledgable folks in here at the moment: anyone have tips for what OSD to use, how to auto get channel logos, and for mythvideo how to auto grab meta data like movie poster etc?

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bfleming:

for mythvideo, go to video setup, highlight the video, press 'M' and choose search — it will get the poster from imdb if it exists

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nighthawk:

cool, that is about what I'm looking for :-)

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bfleming:

keep up to date, as when imdb changes, the perl program that gets posters also is updated

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nighthawk:

ah right, isn't tmdb the "legit" approach now?

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nighthawk:

not that I'd feel bad, I spend plenty with amazon

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bfleming:

just a source

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iamlindoro:

Yes, TMDB is our official grabber now

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nighthawk:

I recall reading that imdb TOS wasn't friendly towards this usage

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wagnerrp:

bfleming: not quite, IMDB has indicated that they no longer want scrapers

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wagnerrp:

you can download a 200MB database to scrape, but they dont want bots on their site

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bfleming:

ah,ok — don't really think about it, but the grabber uses the imdb ID

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wagnerrp:

the text in mythvideo just has not been updated to reflect this

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wagnerrp:

and yes, the tmdb grabber uses imdb ids to maintain backwards compatibility

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bfleming:

I havent updated channel icons in a while, the most recent is january, and I didn't do it myself

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bfleming:

so it must be coming from schedulesdirect ?

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iamlindoro:

You can pull in the icons in mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

no, from lyngsat (referred by way of services.mythtv.org)

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iamlindoro:

There's also a command line tool for grabbing all the icons in contrib

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nighthawk:

how does it work? look up affiliate then network for icon?

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iamlindoro:

looks up by callsign

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iamlindoro:

and failing that, channel name

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iamlindoro:

services.mythtv.org maintains a DB of that info and links to lyngsat's logo files

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/icons.png

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nighthawk:

I do like that new graphite theme :-)

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nighthawk:

though, it crops the text for many items in the menu

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, xris is the guy to talk to about adding in new logos

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Only thing I'd want to see done is a preference for the pngs

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iamlindoro:

which include the transparency

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iamlindoro:

Graphite was released with the caveat that the menus were temporary and waiting for certain MythUI features to be added-- guess people would rather mention it over and over again, though

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kormoc:

of course, the best thing to do to get free stuff is to bitch till you get more

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iamlindoro:

speaking of which, you have a computer know, WHEREZ MY PYMYTHWEB?

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iamlindoro:

;)

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kormoc:

Hehe, first boot on her own right now, hopefully we'll have network and what not...

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

"Switched to NOHz mode on CPU #0"

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** kormoc wonders if 0 htz will be a problem **

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iamlindoro:

No, it won't hertz at all

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wagnerrp:

as in... tickless?

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wagnerrp:

or a literal 0Hz clock speed?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, VDPAU renderer?

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kormoc:

Ooh, I'm just getting the os setup right now, but that will be the plan

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iamlindoro:

oh, my mistake, thought you were looking at a myth log

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kormoc:

that was in the dmesg output, but could be tickless, I'm not sure if I checked that or not

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kormoc:

ahh, it's defaulted to tickless these days

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kormoc:

So for the record, I ran mke2fs at 7:02 pm and at 9:44 pm, I have myth displaying on the mini. That's a full gentoo install, configure, etc in under 3 hours. Is Gentoo really that much slower then the other distros for installing?

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iamlindoro:

I personally never claimed it was :)

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iamlindoro:

but congrats

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kormoc:

Heh, there's a few folks in here who do, and I've always thought they were exaggerating, but it's nice to have a number :)

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iamlindoro:

I am very much of a "leave me alone to us whatever I want, I couldn't care less what you use" sort of guy

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Dagmar:

I'll freely admit that your choice of distribution directly affects how much of a puf I expect you might be.

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Dagmar:

kd3: Well, I *did* get a little lizard-boy in the mail

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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kormoc:

there has to be a story behind that line

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Dagmar:

A new questline on WoW that's on the test server

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Dagmar:

Generally after you do a "tote strange orphan all over hell and back" questline, you get something at the end

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Dagmar:

This new one, nothing.

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kormoc:

ahh, fair 'nuff

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Dagmar:

Turns out the quest reward arrives in the mail, but it doesn't make much sense

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Dagmar:

It seems like the little wanker *mailed* himself out of the orphanage

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** iamlindoro snses these games don't emphasize altruism **

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iamlindoro:

er senses

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Dagmar:

Sometimes they fail in that sense, yes.

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Dagmar:

The first "orphan escort" quest the little NPC is chattering on about "I bet you've been in a dungeon someplace! Did you get any cool weapons you can give me?"

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Dagmar:

Me, being the kind of guy I am, and *just* having completed what amounted to a "looting run" in a mid-level dungeon DID happen to have a lot of stuff in my bags that could probably _cut the kid in half_ if there was a mishap

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Dagmar:

I was like, "Hmm... If I click the wrong thing here, that orphan matron who is like 10 feet away will probably call the guards on me"

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sulx:

kormoc: you didnt build all packages? =)

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kormoc:

sulx, started with stage 3, but other then that, yes, I did

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sulx:

ok

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iamlindoro:

there you go, kormoc your install is approved

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kormoc:

hehe

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sulx:

;)

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juski:

Oh eff off Ubuntu,with your update notification crap

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juski:

if I wanted nags about updates on my desktop I'd have stuck with Windows

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juski:

email sent ..grovel,grovel...

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juski:

now let's see if it provokes a discussion about actual *code* on-list :-P

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laga:

na

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laga:

but the colors need to have a different color

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juski:

well, it's my last hope. other than a brain implant

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Dibblah:

Don't you mean colour?

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Dibblah:

;) ;) ;)

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laga:

bah

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juski:

what shed?

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laga:

you silly uk-ians

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juski:

apparently 'color' is Olde Worlde Englishe

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juski:

so their 'wrong' spelling is actually our old one. so somebody said

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juski:

don't worry Dibblah, the way the kids of today bastardise our language it'll soon be the last of our worries :D

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juski:

innit

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laga:

lolz0rs

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juski:

I mean teachers aren't even being allowed to knock marks off for bad spelling these days, or something (sumfink?)

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laga:

srsly?

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clever:

i usualy run my school work thru the spell checker

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juski:

I read it somewhere that people marking GCSE papers don't mark down for mis-spelling

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laga:

i thought you got kicked out of school?

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clever:

laga: that was for something unrelated

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juski:

prolly discriminates against somebody somehow. Can't help wonder where they'll end up drawing the line

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laga:

clever: i guessed that ;)

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juski:

non-competitive sports were just the start :)

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juski:

oh noes! we can't have things people can WIN! That would mean somebody would have to LOSE ! Wahhh!

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laga:

i just compete against myself ;)

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juski:

and I think...hrm... this prepares kids for life in the real world HOW?

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clever:

softening them up so the big companys can take more?

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clever:

so they dont feel like they lost when they get 10 cents an hour making shoes? :P

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juski:

"yeah he's useless at this job but we won't sack him.. he might get upset"

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juski:

anyhow.. better ready the flame shield...

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jduggan:

lol @ innit

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** sid3windr orders a cab, innit. **

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AndyCap:

juski: how about drool on the exam paper?

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juski:

AndyCap: if they have their DNA, I guess there's no need to write your name if you drool :D

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juski:

s/their/the

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AndyCap:

juski: well, if they have the DNA they can just implant a careerchip as well. :P

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2059 – Now there is an unloved ticket, bounced from dev to dev over three years without a resolution

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jduggan:

are you going to take the ticket? :P

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AndyCap:

hmm, the DVB-C eit data was quite good here. I like

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juski:

well,no negative replies so far. That's good :)

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anykey_:

no replies at all, thats bad ;)

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juski:

give it 6 months, see if it gets any takers

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juski:

I might have the nouse to do it myself by then :D

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Dibblah:

Bah.

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** Dibblah holds back from a reply to Simon Kenyon asking WTF he's polluting the -dev list for. **

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Dibblah:

No useful input, just waaa waaah it doesn't work.

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juski:

good job the interwebs aren't like the olden days

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juski:

in those times, he'd be tracked down & a posse would visit him at home in the dead of night

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Dibblah:

"funtoo"? Seriously - ?

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Dibblah:

http://www.funtoo.org/

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Dibblah:

Ahh... A fork. Joy.

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gbee:

sphery: think you'd be able to take the changes in #6589 and do something for the mythfrontend status screen? Personally I'm only concerned about the total being up top

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gbee:

alternatively, we could fetch the info from the backend in xml format and parse it for the frontend, save maintaining two copies of the same thing

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gbee:

like that idea better actually, but I'm not sure whether it's practical, frontend has more limited space and would benefit from displaying the information in a more concise way

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juski:

ah, the status screen. I remember waffling about playing with that too

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gbee:

would really like to do that properly, it's little more than a hack in it's current form, I'd like to make it pretty with icons and progress bars for diskspace etc

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juski:

I'd like to move the autoexpiry list to something more like the PBB

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juski:

either that or add a 'sort by expiry order' to the PBB

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juski:

the latter would prolly be better actually. more work but less duplicated effort on the part of a themer

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juski:

duh. erm.. isn't that what the watch list is,in a roundabout way?

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juski:

not quite. might actually be dead easy to add it as a category :)

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juski:

wha? searches in 'watch recordings' now? :-O

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gbee:

?

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juski:

have I got this wrong? looking in playbackbox.cpp & thought I saw VIEW_SEARCHES

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gbee:

allows you to display recordings grouped by custom searches, e.g. if you have a search rule for "Jewel Staite" then the "Jewel Staite" group would contain all recordings made as a result

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gbee:

recording rule for title's including "CSI" would all be found under a "CSI" group

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gbee:

in practise it's pretty messy, but it's been there for a while and before the mythui port

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** AndyCap seems to recall another "fun" fork that died shortly afterwards **

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AndyCap:

ooh, Pidgin!

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juski:

ahh. well then one more idea for my list :)

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Essobi:

Morning.

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krisb:

morning eh

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krisb:

aren't timezones fun

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Steel__:

hi @ all

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v GreyFoxx

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sphery:

gbee: Yeah, you're right--we probably should include the additional info in mythfrontend status page.

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sphery:

gbee: And I had been considering taking the time to turn it into a regularly-themed page, too (for the statetype, etc., reasons you had mentioned).

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sphery:

I'll take a look at it--though I think it would be a lot quicker to just do it the same way the backend does it rather than using the XML.

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sphery:

juski: regarding sorting the PBB in autoexpiration order, we'd have the same problem we have with the Autoexpire list--they're in the "preferred" order of expiration, but not the order they'll actually be expired (because when they expire is dependent on which filesystems we actually use and where the recordigns are stored).

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sphery:

see #6742 for one of the user complaints about it

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gbee:

how DO we pick filesystems? Coin toss?

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gbee:

s/filesystems/storage location/

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sid3windr:

caber toss.

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gbee:

thwe should pick filesystems based on available space (and expirable recordings) otherwise bad things happen if disks in a storage group become unbalanced, i.e. space runs out on one while several gigs remain free on another

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sphery:

gbee: currently it's based on filesystem load (usage) and /then/ based on available space. If all filesystems are full with the exception of a brand-new, empty 2

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sphery:

TB HDD, the first recording will use the empty HDD

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sphery:

the second concurrent recording will use one of the full HDD's (assuming all HDD's are local--we also prefer local over network)

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sphery:

Even if the 2nd recording starts after the first recording finished, but while the 2nd recording is being transcoded or commflagged, we'll use one of the full filesystems

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sphery:

gbee: Captain_Murdoch designed the Storage Groups code to allow "pluggable" filesystem selection, but no one implemented any new mechanisms after he did the first one (that works the way he wants it to work)

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nawl:

im having trouble with a fresh install of mythbuntu and my audio. heres whats up, mythbuntu finds my on board card, play plays my file, alsamixer seems like it works, speakers are on, plug is in the right place.... no audio, am i missing something?

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sphery:

nawl: ensure you have a proper Audio output device and Mixer device specified in mythfrontend settings (main General settings). Both should likely be ALSA:default

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sphery:

nawl: and make sure you /select/ the value--don't type it in

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sphery:

use left/right to select

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nawl:

i have no audio with external players either

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nawl:

nothing is muted, everything is turner up in alsamixer

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nawl:

*turned

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iamlindoro:

Good to know, now try doing what he told you

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gbee:

sphery: ok that I didn't know, though I'd still argue that the current behaviour is wrong and that adding other methods isn't a user friendly solution

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gbee:

I'll have to find time to write a better method

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nawl:

no dice, its already right

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nawl:

i dont have sound in other apps either, im thinking its something to do with the way the sound card is setup, but I dont know enough on how to check, does anyone know of a good guide?

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iamlindoro:

#ubuntu-mythtv would be a beter resource, as that's more an issue w/ your distro than w/ Myth

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iamlindoro:

juski: How are you handling the torrent of answers to your query? ;)

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iamlindoro:

juski: It's always particularly satisfying to spend 99% of the time giving back and the 1% of the time you need help, to hear nothing but crickets :)

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** sphery feels guilty because he hasn't made time to read juski's message, yet... **

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sphery:

(Though it's still marked unread, so I'll get to it eventually.)

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sphery:

gbee: I'm actually looking for the ticket that implements the "choose filesystem according to what will be autoexpired" that you want, but I happened to find this other thing you want: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4879#comment:7

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sphery:

strange... Not common for someone to enter #mythtv-users and not say anything, then go to #mythtv and speak up...

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iamlindoro:

bloop bloop

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sphery:

gbee: Finally found it: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5746 (unfortunately it doesn't use any of the words I think it should in the subject, like Storage Group and filesystem)

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sphery:

gbee: see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5746#comment:4 for more

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stuart:

Im having trouble compiling svn ver 20988. the problem seems to be in vsync.cpp, see http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1503335 for the error

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stuart:

Not sure if im missing a package or its an error

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iamlindoro:

stuart: sounds like a missing GL dep

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iamlindoro:

that define comes from GL/glx.h

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sphery:

stuart: what branch?

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sphery:

-fixes or trunk?

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stuart:

truck

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stuart:

trunk

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sphery:

what's your full configure line (pastebin, please)

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stuart:

Its an LFS system so the whole system is compiled from source

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stuart:

2 ticks

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sphery:

Ah, yeah, the worst possible distro to use for Myth

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iamlindoro:

We can't help you with the ticks, see a doctor

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iamlindoro:

and stop walking in the woods

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sphery:

though, at least LFS users tend to blame themselves whereas users of a certain other "optimized for my own hardware" distro tend to blame Myth

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stuart:

ok same pastebin link

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iamlindoro:

HEh, it doesn't work that way

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iamlindoro:

When you update and submit, the links change

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stuart:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1503343

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sphery:

was going to say that the page isn't changing for me :)

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stuart:

pastebin newbie :)

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stuart:

never had a prob i can fix

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stuart:

cant lol

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iamlindoro:

At least you *used* a pastebin, that is already a step up from most

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sphery:

stuart: and you have the nvidia proprietary drivers installed?

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sphery:

and you installed them using the nvidia installer?

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iamlindoro:

glx.h comes from mesa, no?

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stuart:

Mesa version is 7.4, qt is 4.5.2 and yes they are the nvidia closed drivers installed from the .run package

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sphery:

iamlindoro: because of --xvmc-lib=-lXvMCNVIDIA he has to have the nvidia ones

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iamlindoro:

ick, xvmc

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** iamlindoro sets fire to xvmc **

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stuart:

let me drop the xvmc, see if it makes any diff

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iamlindoro:

If your nvidia card is remotely recent, you don't want to/can't us XvMC anyway and have the option to use VDPAU instead

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iamlindoro:

can't use

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sphery:

stuart: I have no idea how your use of /opt/xorg will affect Myth's configure and/or nvidia's installation

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sphery:

but I'm guessing the problem is related to the layout

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stuart:

its a 5600 go

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sphery:

stuart: also, you likely need: PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/opt/qt/lib/pkgconfig:${PKG_CONFIG_PATH}

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sphery:

to get QtWebkit headers not found

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sphery:

(and MythBrowser/HTML support--assuming you have Qt 4.4+)

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sphery:

s/get/get past/

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stuart:

/opt/xorg/lib and /opt/xorg/include are symlinked to /usr/lib/Xll /usr/include/X11

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stuart:

PKG paths are all set

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sphery:

stuart: then try without the --x11-path=/opt/xorg/include

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stuart:

ok

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sphery:

since /usr/include/X11 is a "standard" location

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** sphery assumes "/usr/lib/Xll" is really "/usr/lib/X11" **

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stuart:

yep :)

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sphery:

and assumes that ls /usr/include/X11 would show the X11 includes

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stuart:

they do, let me try a complie

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: You use the PCH with Myth uPnP, right?

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** sphery pictures GreyFoxx driving down the Pacific Coast Highway with a Myth box in the passenger seat and an LCD screen on the dash... **

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** gbee pictures a hole in the guard rail and a fiery explosion **

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iamlindoro:

you people are morbid

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gbee:

aye

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sphery:

Oh no! What about all his unapplied patches... Someone hack his system, quick!

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I have recently

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: So the upnp stuff works okay between the two?

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GreyFoxx:

I had to patch myth to deal with it's brokenness

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wagnerrp:

seems Woot had the refurb 800is again last night

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Any chance that'll get committed any time soon? Interested in the hardware

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GreyFoxx:

Already did :)

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juski:

iamlindoro: tbh I'm less disheartened than if I'd have had negative responses :)

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iamlindoro:

ah, ok

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wagnerrp:

and... an infrared gaming mouse?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Trunk only for that commit I guess?

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juski:

iamlindoro: I had nothing to lose and thus far, have lost nothing ;-)

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iamlindoro:

juski: heh

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Yeah, but it'ssmall enough that I can backport to -fixes

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juski:

doesn't mean I won't keep trying though, but there are other fish I'd love to fry first. Those menu things are really ragging me off now

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: If it is small, is there any chance you would?

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juski:

even moreso when my remote even says INFO & I'm using it to bring up a menu. Meh

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: have a .21 user I'd like to get it working for, but only if it's no bother

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Yeah it was like 2 or 3 lines

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GreyFoxx:

It's not a bother

[16:22:27]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: nice

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GreyFoxx:

if I don't remember later remind me :)

[16:22:41]

** GreyFoxx heads into a meeting **

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: I shall, thanks

[16:22:56]

** juski remembers somebody saying that about the screen size setup wizard :-P **

[16:24:08]

juski:

iamlindoro: can you believe I even resisted using blackmail? Like I didn't say anything like "if myth can do this, I'll start theming again" :D

[16:24:27]

juski:

I considered it, briefly

[16:24:37]

iamlindoro:

juski: Hehehehe... I'd love to see the dev list come through for once and actually, you know.. help people trying to develop

[16:25:02]

juski:

I always believed that's what the -dev list was originally intended for

[16:25:25]

iamlindoro:

Theoretically

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juski:

seems it's just a 'relp, can't get XYZ worky & I got no answer on -users' thing now

[16:26:42]

wagnerrp:

yeah, like the python and mythtv thing.... 'why cant python find MythTV????'

[16:26:52]

juski:

people were mad keen for SoC related activity.. mentoring people who want to help should be on the radar too IMHO

[16:26:55]

wagnerrp:

no module found?!?!

[16:27:00]

juski:

time etc allowing

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juski:

wagnerrp: says much about the level of competence required to do python, as much as I fail to understand the language

[16:28:18]

wagnerrp:

juski: they werent even trying to program for it (as posting to the dev list would suggest)

[16:28:28]

wagnerrp:

no, they just wanted to run mythDiskBalancer.py

[16:28:43]

juski:

pfft

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juski:

this is one area where advocacy could help. someone once tried instilling that virtue in me but I never got it back then

[16:30:20]

juski:

There IS support out there, but folks are unfortunately stretched so thin in time & motivation it's unrealistic

[16:30:57]

Defense|Twin:

Hi, i have two client machines here for my mythtv-box one is a fedora system as my server is fedora too and one is a gentoo. all machines have some 0.21 version. with the fedora machines is everything ok but on my gentoo the video-output is a dual-output (the halfsized in height but twice so that the aspect is normal again). the interessting thing is that in the smallsize preview from the records everything is right but as soon as i

[16:30:57]

Defense|Twin:

view the movies fullscreen (also in windowed mode) i have the dual-problem... anyone any idea?

[16:31:20]

sphery:

wagnerrp: do you have a link to mythDiskBalancer.py ? Google gave no results

[16:31:25]

juski:

ahh ATI double-vision?

[16:31:40]

sphery:

I was trying to figure out who wrote it and how much it overlaps existing contrib functionality

[16:31:42]

wagnerrp:

sphery: never heard of it, never looked though either

[16:31:50]

Defense|Twin:

juski: yes its an ati video card

[16:32:09]

sphery:

only current result on Google is the thread you're talking about

[16:32:11]

Defense|Twin:

juski: any idea how to fix it?

[16:32:19]

iamlindoro:

Don't use Bob deinterlace

[16:32:23]

iamlindoro:

Playback Profile->Slim

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juski:

Defense|Twin: easy answer, try different video playback profiles and/or different drivers (like the binary from ATI for starters)

[16:32:30]

sphery:

iamlindoro steals juski's thunder!!!

[16:32:42]

** iamlindoro spikes the ball in the endzone **

[16:32:53]

sphery:

I remember when he used to be a team player...

[16:33:06]

juski:

team playing is so overrated

[16:33:12]

iamlindoro:

Now he just showboats around like he owns the place

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Defense|Twin:

juski: i'm using the fglrx driver... i will try iamlindoro's idea

[16:33:31]

sphery:

yeah, Slim is what you want

[16:33:45]

sphery:

s/you/99.9999% of people/

[16:33:45]

juski:

heh no bob deinterlacing. yucky

[16:33:57]

sphery:

What About Bob?

[16:34:06]

wagnerrp:

hes nuts?

[16:34:07]

sphery:

(movie title reference, not an actual question)

[16:34:38]

** iamlindoro has been told that there are times and places where Bob deint doesn't look like a steaming pile of crap **

[16:34:43]

iamlindoro:

I'll believe it when I see it

[16:36:44]

juski:

always worked okay here compared to the lesser ones, but that was before 0.21

[16:37:07]

sphery:

works best on interlaced CRT's

[16:37:16]

sphery:

with appropriate output

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juski:

using greedy 2x something or other now :)

[16:37:26]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, i cant find anything either

[16:37:43]

wagnerrp:

but with a question like that, i cant believe he wrote it

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juski:

maybe that disk balancer python thingy is for moving recordings around SGs

[16:38:03]

Defense|Twin:

iamlindoro: i cant find the slim option in the frontend

[16:38:06]

wagnerrp:

juski: yeah, but we're trying to figure out just where it came from

[16:38:16]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt seem to exist anywhere on the internets

[16:38:50]

sphery:

wagnerrp: exactly... It doesn't sound like he /could/ write it to need the Myth python bindings if he doesn't know how to get them...

[16:38:50]

Defense|Twin:

iamlindoro: Playback Profile->Slim <-- this is an option in the mythfronend?

[16:38:57]

iamlindoro:

Defense|Twin: Slim is the name of a playback profile

[16:38:58]

iamlindoro:

yes

[16:39:08]

sphery:

technically, the name of a playback profile group

[16:39:11]

juski:

Defense|Twin: utils/setup -> TV -> Playback

[16:39:13]

sphery:

(pet peeve :)

[16:39:32]

sphery:

The playback profiles being the individual cases within the group (i.e. criteria + settings)

[16:39:39]

juski:

I looked at making that easier to understand once. And then I cried

[16:40:35]

sphery:

I looked at fixing the settings page so that we didn't end up with CPU+ as the default (one of the worst possible choices) due to the bug that prevents Normal from being default, but decided it wasn't worthwhile until settings go mythui

[16:40:43]

wagnerrp:

what script has the existing function in contrib?

[16:40:48]

sphery:

(it's a UI-related non-UI bug)

[16:40:56]

sphery:

well, for moving things, there myth_archive_job.pl

[16:41:03]

Defense|Twin:

THX guys you are great :) :) :)

[16:41:06]

sphery:

for moving across hosts, there's nothing

[16:41:42]

sphery:

but, basically, I wondered what functionality the script had

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wagnerrp:

this script looks pretty ancient

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wagnerrp:

indeed, there has only been file reorganization done to it in the last several years

[16:47:46]

wagnerrp:

and even then, only a minor bugfix since the beginning of subversion tracking

[16:47:53]

sphery:

right, it's ancient--it was the pre SG solution for multiple filesystems

[16:48:10]

sphery:

for current usage, commenting out the line that makes the symlink would be ideal

[16:48:14]

sphery:

though it works either way

[16:48:19]

wagnerrp:

where you only had one recording directory, and then this would shuffle elsewhere?

[16:48:33]

sphery:

right, then make a link in the recordings directory to the new file

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juski:

jees. I thought Britain's Got Talent was bad. I wasn't figuring on the Russian version

[17:27:46]

** jams starts to unwrap the shiny new macbook pro **

[17:28:00]

iamlindoro:

It's new Mac week at #mythtv-users

[17:28:13]

kormoc:

Aye!

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sid3windr:

juski: url? :P

[17:29:08]

sid3windr:

in soviet russia, talent has you!

[17:29:18]

juski:

sid3windr: watching 'you have been watching' & saw clips there

[17:29:21]

dubstar_04:

I want a mac

[17:29:23]

laga:

i like the super kazachstan guy

[17:29:31]

juski:

scary man drilling up his nose

[17:29:50]

kormoc:

dubstar_04, so buy one!

[17:29:53]

juski:

scary kids in multicoloured dog costumes.. and scary bodybuilding kids

[17:30:01]

sid3windr:

:)

[17:30:05]

jams:

this one is acutally my wifes, but I think the bundeled itouch will become mine

[17:30:08]

kormoc:

juski, you sure that wasn't the American version?

[17:30:12]

jams:

and I get my mac mini back

[17:30:13]

dubstar_04:

kormoc: I have just bought a house so...

[17:30:14]

** laga watching death race. jason statham screaming and kicking ass **

[17:30:27]

kormoc:

dubstar_04, so what's another few k in debt!?!?!

[17:30:56]

dubstar_04:

Kormoc: I will wait to see if santa brings me one

[17:31:06]

juski:

santa? they went bust

[17:31:16]

juski:

stupid paytv thing

[17:31:35]

dubstar_04:

I best get saving then!!

[17:31:42]

kormoc:

Santa entered into chapter 11 back in '04 after the bubble burst

[17:31:49]

kormoc:

and didn't make it :(

[17:32:11]

iamlindoro:

Had to eat his reindeer one by one?

[17:32:21]

kormoc:

Aye, sausage style

[17:32:23]

iamlindoro:

Mrs. Santa still out on the corner in fishnets?

[17:32:36]

kormoc:

Yeah, it's sad, with all the smeared makeup

[17:32:49]

iamlindoro:

chain smoking like there's no tomorrow

[17:32:57]

dubstar_04:

sounds like my type of girl!!

[17:33:03]

kormoc:

just to survive another day...

[17:33:17]

kormoc:

and after all those years of giving, and look how we let them end up

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** kormoc shakes his head **

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iamlindoro:

Oh, she's still giving

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dubstar_04:

well if she is selling a macbook pro cheap, I'll do my bit!!

[17:35:45]

mazda01:

i don't understand how storage directories work because for some reason my mythweb doesn't show the thumbnails for many of my recordings. i have a master backend with 2 storage locations defined and the slave backedn has the nfs shares mounted. what m I doing wrong?

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sphery:

mazda01: trunk?

[17:36:12]

mazda01:

when I click on them in mythweb, it says that the recordings couldn't be found.

[17:36:18]

sphery:

mazda01: trunk?

[17:36:20]

mazda01:

sphery, I am running .21fixes

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kormoc:

mythweb checks locally only right now

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sphery:

OK... In 0.21-fixes it should work fine.

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mazda01:

kormoc, everything is stored locally.

[17:37:13]

kormoc:

ooh, multiple storage groups

[17:37:19]

kormoc:

yeah, it's broken in mythweb right now

[17:37:39]

sphery:

Are the files in the exact same place on both systems--i.e. when you have a local filesystem on the master /srv/mythtv/recordings , you have to mount that same directory at /srv/mythtv/recordings on the remote backend

[17:37:47]

sphery:

kormoc: only in trunk, right?

[17:37:48]

kormoc:

we do the symlink trick in 0.21

[17:37:54]

meshe:

apparently i'm getting the 13" macbook pro for christmas this year

[17:38:00]

kormoc:

so in 0.21, only the first directory is working

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** kormoc high fives meshe **

[17:38:14]

kormoc:

13" macbook pro users unite!

[17:38:19]

** meshe returns the high 5 **

[17:38:41]

meshe:

husband wants a 3GHz core i7 processor, mobo and ram for christmas

[17:38:42]

mazda01:

kormoc, no, i'll need to fix that and create symlinks on the slave backend so that the structure is the same as the master backend.

[17:38:58]

dubstar_04:

jams: a bit personal but, could you send me some pictures of your macbook naked?

[17:39:23]

sphery:

kormoc: it works fine on my 0.21-fixes with master and remote backends (though I don't have NFS mounts, but that's actually a more difficult config for MythWeb)

[17:39:31]

kormoc:

hrm

[17:39:38]

** kormoc blinks at dubstar_04 **

[17:39:43]

meshe:

dubstar_04: the true meaning of HNG

[17:39:52]

kormoc:

HNG?

[17:39:56]

sphery:

we don't have the data/previews (or whatever it was called in 0.20) directory

[17:39:58]

meshe:

Horny Net Geek

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kormoc:

ahh

[17:40:29]

meshe:

usually applied to peole who start chat conversations with A/S/L?

[17:40:54]

kormoc:

ahh, understood

[17:41:03]

dubstar_04:

Its not fair, I have to choose between a sofa or a macbook, :'(

[17:41:05]

kormoc:

so Generation/Style/Brand?

[17:41:14]

iamlindoro:

Sofa

[17:41:16]

meshe:

lol

[17:41:22]

** wagnerrp prefers his magnesium based laptop **

[17:41:23]

iamlindoro:

will last much longer and you can put girls on it

[17:41:31]

iamlindoro:

;)

[17:41:38]

meshe:

dubstar_04: hit the thrift store or cragslist for the sofa ;)

[17:41:59]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, I can fit thousands of girls on my macbook pro, but they all share the last name of jpg

[17:42:04]

mazda01:

kormoc, actually I just checked. the slave backend has the master backends nfs shares mounted at /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ and /media/500gb/recordings/

[17:42:09]

dubstar_04:

meshe: the mrs already picked a massive corner sofa!

[17:42:09]

juski:

meshe: nah, in the UK the rule is that your sofa must cost 2 months' wages

[17:42:11]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: middle name "dot?"

[17:42:21]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, guess you've meet them, eh? ;)

[17:42:24]

iamlindoro:

haha

[17:42:30]

mazda01:

kormoc, is there a way to query the database and see where a specific recordings thinks it is?

[17:42:35]

meshe:

juski: ouch

[17:42:46]

kormoc:

juski, wha wha what?

[17:43:09]

meshe:

dubstar_04: then there's no choice, make the missus happy :)

[17:43:11]

sphery:

mazda01: the DB doesn't store the recording file location

[17:43:13]

juski:

yeah if you're fool enough to buy one outside the sale period (of which there are many)

[17:43:29]

sphery:

mazda01: look at the img src reference in the HTML source

[17:43:35]

juski:

generally if you want one today, or next week at best.. Â£Â£Â£Â£Â£Â&po und;Â£Â£Â£Â£Â£Â ;£

[17:43:39]

mazda01:

sphery, then what would be the problem on my end?

[17:43:43]

mazda01:

sphery, ok, one minute

[17:43:46]

sphery:

mazda01: but you need to use the exact same paths on all systems or just get rid of the NFS mounts

[17:43:49]

dubstar_04:

meshe: I did suggest 2 beanbags and a macbook, but she no smiley!

[17:44:04]

iamlindoro:

Sofa for sure, then

[17:44:12]

iamlindoro:

you'll need something to sleep on when you open your mouth

[17:44:20]

juski:

rofl

[17:44:38]

meshe:

i'm suprised he's not on the floor already after that suggestion

[17:45:37]

mazda01:

sphery, the paths are the same. i have 2 storage locations and on each machine the locations are exactly the same path.

[17:46:29]

mazda01:

sphery, how would I know what to look for in the HTML source? I am looking at mythweb All Recordings and there are plenty of thumbnails missing.

[17:46:34]

sphery:

mazda01: when you defined the storage groups, you only did so on the master backend, right?

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mazda01:

sphery, i don't remember. is that bad if I did?

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sphery:

mazda01: if not, go into mythtv-setup on the remote/slave backend and delete all the directories (using D) from the storage group(s)

[17:47:16]

sphery:

You only want to define them on the master

[17:47:39]

sphery:

when putting them in a remote backend, you're telling Myth to override the definition that was defined on the master

[17:47:55]

** iamlindoro really thinks that bit needs to be more clearly delineated **

[17:48:06]

sphery:

since your dirs are identically (as they need to be when using NFS), you shouldn't override

[17:48:16]

sphery:

s/are/are set up/

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mazda01:

sphery, do I need to run mythfilldatabase or not?

[17:49:54]

sphery:

iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#storagegroups says, "Storage Groups are global, but can be overridden on a slave backend by creating a local Storage Group by running mythtv-setup on the slave."

[17:50:05]

mazda01:

sphery, after I remove the storage groups on the slave backend?

[17:50:07]

sphery:

though it's not prominent/decisively-worded

[17:50:09]

Dagmar:

That kinda soinds like a bad idea

[17:50:13]

sphery:

mazda01: nope

[17:50:26]

mazda01:

sphery, ok. thank you.

[17:50:30]

iamlindoro:

sphery: exactly, the explanation is still far too technical IMHO

[17:50:39]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Such a critical fact merits an example

[17:50:43]

sphery:

yeah, the whole HOWTO is kind of technical

[17:51:17]

sphery:

mazda01: also, make sure that all the directories that you're using are defined in the storage groups on the master backend

[17:51:53]

mazda01:

sphery, ok. thank you so much for helping me.

[17:52:02]

sphery:

is it working?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: YOU GOT YOUR WISH!

[17:52:54]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Debugging&am . . . ;oldid=37900

[17:52:56]

sphery:

mazda01: so, I'm assuming this is a new setup with old data (since it's not currently working and you have recordings on master and remote backends)

[17:53:03]

iamlindoro:

Thank uncle kormoc

[17:53:24]

sphery:

Yeah. I had to send him 2 blank checks for that one.

[17:53:48]

sphery:

usually he only needs one to commit my mythweb patches, but he said this was above and beyond, so he needed more

[17:53:50]

iamlindoro:

Now take back all those things you PM me about him

[17:53:55]

meshe:

sphery: were they rubber?

[17:54:04]

mazda01:

sphery, actually I have been running this setup for a long time but don't really watch the recordings very often and I jsut wanted to look into it today. how can the recordings be stored on the slave backend if it was being told to store them at the NFS mounted shares?

[17:54:17]

iamlindoro:

like "He totally refuses to implement PyMythWeb, he really doesn't get OSS"

[17:54:32]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I can't take back the truth

[17:54:42]

iamlindoro:

burrrrrn

[17:54:55]

sphery:

meshe: actually, they're listed as stolen with my bank, so he'll get a nice surprise when he tries to cash them

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sphery:

mazda01: as long as the remote backend has access to them, where they're stored is really irrelevant (which is the benefit of storage groups)

[17:55:50]

meshe:

sphery: nice!

[17:55:52]

sphery:

mazda01: however, I'd guess the problem is likely permissions

[17:56:21]

sphery:

mazda01: i.e. NFS using the uid/gid to check permissions rather than user/group name

[17:56:46]

mazda01:

sphery, ok. can you help me see if I have a problem?

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mazda01:

sphery, well, in mythweb. i hit delete and re-record and when I refresh they just re-show up in the list. how can I get rid of these recordings?

[17:57:52]

sphery:

on the master and the remote backend, do: ls -ld /path/to/recording/directory

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sphery:

mazda01: that's further evidence of permissions problems

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meshe:

my mythweb does that, but they eventually go away

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mazda01:

sphery, ok. on the slave backend. I have drwxrwsr-x 3 mythtv mythtv 4096 2009-07–22 12:55 /media/500gb/recordings/ and drwxrwsr-x 3 mythtv mythtv 20480 2009-07–22 12:56 /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/

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kormoc:

if you have slow deleted enabled, it'll take awhile to actually delete

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meshe:

kormoc: that's what i figured it was

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meshe:

didn

[17:59:46]

meshe:

didn't care enough to verify though

[18:00:10]

sphery:

actually, it's unlinked almost immediately and, upon successful unlinking, the record is removed from the recorded table

[18:00:27]

mazda01:

sphery, and on the master backend I have drwxrwsr-x 3 mythtv mythtv 20480 2009-07–22 12:56 /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ and drwxrwsr-x 3 mythtv mythtv 4096 2009-07–22 12:55 /media/500gb/recordings/

[18:00:37]

sphery:

(however with slow deletes it's opened, then unlinked immediately, then it waits its turn for truncations/closing)

[18:00:56]

mazda01:

sphery, i do have slow delete enabled because I am using ext3

[18:01:14]

sphery:

mazda01: that's the same directory? If so, it's mounted in different places: /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ and /media/500gb/recordings/

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meshe:

sphery: it takes up to 15 minutes for recordings deleted by mythweb to dissapear in mythweb

[18:01:27]

sphery:

need the ls -ld of the same directory as seen on each computer

[18:01:43]

sphery:

meshe: weird...

[18:01:56]

sphery:

I can't think of anything that would cause that

[18:02:16]

sphery:

except, of course, that MythWeb is PHP instead of Python...

[18:02:27]

meshe:

like i said, it's never bothered me so i've never debugged it

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mazda01:

sphery, i have 2 storage locations. one is at /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ and the other is at /media/500gb/recordings/. they are the same on slave and master backend.

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sphery:

wonder if it could be a browser caching thing (though I'm guessing you have an AJAX-y version going on, so I wouldn't think that would suffer from cache issues)

[18:03:43]

meshe:

nah, full page reload

[18:03:50]

meshe:

unless it's caching server side

[18:04:01]

sphery:

mazda01: so, on the master, run ls -ld /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ ; then on the remote, run: ls -ld /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/

[18:04:14]

sphery:

I need to see if they both agree on permissions/uid/gid

[18:05:01]

sphery:

meshe: this is the recorded programs page... I guess it may not be AJAX in -fixes (I haven't deleted through mythweb in a /long/ time)...

[18:05:10]

kormoc:

it is iirc

[18:05:14]

sphery:

if it's not AJAX, I could see browser cache being an issue

[18:05:37]

mazda01:

sphery, master is: drwxrwsr-x 3 mythtv mythtv 20480 2009-07–22 12:56 /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ and slave: drwxrwsr-x 3 mythtv mythtv 20480 2009-07–22 12:56 /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/

[18:06:43]

mazda01:

sphery, master: drwxrwsr-x 3 mythtv mythtv 4096 2009-07–22 12:55 /media/500gb/recordings/ slave: drwxrwsr-x 3 mythtv mythtv 4096 2009-07–22 12:55 /media/500gb/recordings/

[18:06:58]

sphery:

mazda01: hmmm... that looks good

[18:07:28]

mazda01:

sphery, do you need to see my nfs options?

[18:07:30]

sphery:

mazda01: now, in your backend logs, look for errors about deleting (on both the master and the remote logs)

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sphery:

if you don't see anything, try restarting mythbackend with: mythbackend -v important,general,file

[18:08:09]

sphery:

then look for errors/explanations when you try a delete

[18:08:26]

mazda01:

sphery, look at mythbackend.log on both machines?

[18:08:39]

sphery:

mazda01: yep

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sphery:

Wow... Linksys sent me an e-mail: "Special offer on Media Hub for our customers" I'd love to have a computer that organizes my videos, music, and photos for me...

[18:10:36]

meshe:

oh sweet, that sounds like a cool technology, glad they thought of it

[18:10:36]

sphery:

(worst part is it's just a link to the normal amazon page for it... how's that special?)

[18:11:01]

Captain_Murdoch:

after reading scrollback, /me ponders mentioning that the autoexpire list can never be really accurate as long as we let people manually delete recordings since that potentially changes the ordering when multiple filesystems are involved.

[18:11:20]

Dagmar:

You might as well buy one so you can look into hacking it so we have something to tell the idjits that buy one so they can bother people about how to get Myth on it. ;)

[18:11:31]

mazda01:

sphery, on the 20th i was getting this: http://pastebin.com/f39628920 but I have since then run myth.find-orphans.pl or whatever that program is. that's the master. i am running the slave now.

[18:13:26]

mazda01:

sphery, here's the slave running this command. cat /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log | grep delete. http://pastebin.com/fa86ed5b

[18:14:08]

mazda01:

sphery, brb

[18:15:33]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, the autoexpire list (at least its ordering) doesn't make a lot of sense, anymore, since SG's... Perhaps just sorting by title/starttime and saying so is a good "fix" for it. Oh, and feel free to put a nice comment on (or take or close :) http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6742

[18:17:07]

sphery:

mazda01: there's definitely a problem with your storage groups configuration. I don't know what the problem is, specifically, but files/directories aren't where they should be.

[18:19:21]

xris:

hmm.... regexguru@gmail is available...

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xris:

oops, wrong channel

[18:20:14]

sphery:

xris: did you see my question in #mythtv about http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1116 ?

[18:20:19]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, I thought about marking that as "feature request without a patch" when I first saw it opened, but didn't get to it. If we don't keep track (in the db) of which filesystem a recording is in, it might help if the expirer kept track (in memory) of this info so that it could hand out more intelligent information.

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wagnerrp:

i love open source....

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wagnerrp:

theres some issue in the powerpanel UPS driver for NUT, causing it to disconnect/reconnect every 2 seconds filling my logs

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wagnerrp:

so i can just go into the code, and prevent logging call

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wagnerrp:

there, problem solved!

[18:21:58]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, but the problem is that the choice of what filesystem we actually use to record cannot be determined until recording time (due to the weighting for things like commflagging/transcoding/... which users can start whenever)

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: and since we /only/ autoexpire recordings from filesystems where we're recording...

[18:22:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

right, I'm just saying we could order by filesystem, then the normal autoexpire order, so you could see what would be expired first in a particular filesystem.

[18:22:55]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, also during transcoding :)

[18:23:11]

sphery:

ah, yeah... but not commflagging :)

[18:23:45]

sphery:

so, a user-triggerred transcode could autoexpire something from a filesystem whose record was 10 from the top of the autoexpire list

[18:23:48]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, not unless you run with DEBUGCOMMFLAG=1 turned on

[18:24:05]

mazda01:

sphery, so can you try to help me figure it out?

[18:24:28]

sphery:

or a new recording or ... could make us need more space on a specific filesystem

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mazda01:

sphery, since I removed the storage group definition to nothing on the slave backend will everything from here on out be ok?

[18:25:50]

gbee:

Captain_Murdoch: any objections to optionally ignoring the load balancing stuff in storage groups or considering the space available first? e.g. If there is no space on disk A but plenty of space on B, then don't attempt to record to A (thus expiring recordings which didn't need to go) (in reference to scrollback)

[18:26:05]

mazda01:

sphery, is that a quick bash script that you can help me create to simply use a touch command to create those files that mythtv is trying to delete so that it can delete them and re-record them?

[18:26:30]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: so, IMHO, #6742 is impossible to implement (the "tell me which /will/ expire first" part)

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think that 2 options, "balance I/O" and "balance free space" are all that is needed. it's not that hard to do #2, but I for one, want #1, because my filesystems never fill up. I can't recall the last time I had something autoexpire and I'm the one who wrote the original expirer.

[18:27:02]

sphery:

gbee: did you see his comment I linked you to on the ticket asking for that: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5746#comment:4

[18:27:22]

sphery:

#5746 = With multiple disk of different sizes, place new recording on partition which will have the lowest priority files deleted

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, yeah, I don't see a way for it to be truly accurate, so why even try. too many variables unless we try to come up with a list and enforce that list.

[18:27:44]

gbee:

my concerns aren't so much about the Expire list being in order, but simply not losing recordings because the backend made a bad decision about which drive to use

[18:27:49]

sphery:

mazda01: it looks like there are more problems, but I'm out of ideas

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gbee:

sphery: no guess I was distracted

[18:28:26]

sphery:

gbee: not offended... Just offering the info, again since you had an interest in the functionality

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Captain_Murdoch:

gbee, yeah, I was hoping someone would write the "balance disk space" part after I created SG's, but no one with enough knowledge had time or desire.

[18:28:45]

gbee:

yeah it's relevant

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mazda01:

sphery, do you know how to write a quick bash script to create a file using touch so that mythtv can delete all those recordings?

[18:29:15]

gbee:

Captain_Murdoch: ok, well I might try to find the time, but I've been saying that about a lot of things lately

[18:29:18]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: and, yeah, I agree... balance I/O shouldn't be changed... It's perfect for my use--I don't /ever/ let my filesystems fill up and I move recordings to ensure that nothing every autoexpires

[18:29:21]

kormoc:

#!/bin/bash\ntouch /path/to/file?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I have had 3+ drives for recordings long before SG's, that's why I wrote that hack myth_archive_job.pl. :|

[18:29:30]

sphery:

i.e. move recordings to balance usage

[18:30:08]

laga:

f

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laga:

oops

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, yeah, I think the perfect solution is to use "balance I/O" and have a process that runs in the background that balances free space by moving recordings. that's part of my reason I started looking at the migration internal job.

[18:30:43]

sphery:

I'm actually planning to write a patch to add the move recordings across filesystems/hosts ability to mythbackend (with UI in mythfrontend), which could be used by the housekeeper to start some jobs to move stuff automatically, too, if people wanted. (but I still haven't gotten around to looking at Captain_Murdoch's patch that did most of the work... :)

[18:30:54]

sphery:

heh, we both went there

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Captain_Murdoch:

since I have a working prototype that lets you write to a remote RingBuffer, moving files between backends would be much easier.

[18:31:52]

sphery:

mazda01: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT CONCAT('touch ', basename) FROM recorded;" > touch_files

[18:32:42]

sphery:

mazda01: though that's /very/ simplistic as it doesn't take into account any directories or anthing

[18:32:50]

mazda01:

sphery, ok, i just told mythweb to record 3 different shows and now all 3 of my tuners are recording. i looked in mythweb and the thumbnails are there for the 3 new shows so everything is hopefully working now.

[18:33:01]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I still have that patch here, just haven't made time to look at it/work on it

[18:33:18]

mazda01:

sphery, so what will that do? I'll try it I am just curious.

[18:33:22]

sphery:

mazda01: cool... so it's just all the old deleted things that are issues?

[18:33:52]

sphery:

mazda01: just creates a file with touch commands for each file. You'd have to edit out the extra header/footer junk

[18:34:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, RE: remote file writing, I have the remote file writing portion coded, just need to work on the logic side that determines where to write the file to. right now the destination directory is hardcoded in my patch.

[18:34:06]

mazda01:

sphery, that's what it appears like. that's why I asked for a bash command to create the files using touch so mythtv can delete and re-record them.

[18:35:27]

mazda01:

sphery, i returned, no database selected.

[18:35:28]

sphery:

but when you run it, it will create files in the directory you're in that overlap the files in the other storage group directories... I'll leave fixing this up to you (or just tell you to let them sit until you no longer see those errors in the backend log and then do a find . -size 0 -delete

[18:36:16]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: cool... Haven't looked at it, but I have mythtv-migration_job_v2.diff , so I don't know if you've gone farther

[18:36:27]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, haven't touched that patch recently.

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[18:37:00]

sphery:

thanks for the input

[18:37:13]

mazda01:

sphery, can I somehow use the files I have with all the files listed that aren't there? it has the exact file names that I need.

[18:37:14]

kormoc:

sphery, didn't you tell me the answer on how to get mythweb to delete them even if they're missing?

[18:37:32]

kormoc:

I still want to write a SG scanner thing for mythweb...

[18:37:34]

sphery:

mazda01: fi you run the command exactly as given, it should work...

[18:38:00]

mazda01:

sphery, i ran it exactly as it's written. i actually copied and pasted it. just changed the password of course.

[18:38:03]

sphery:

kormoc: FORCE_DELETE_RECORDING

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kormoc:

that'd be it!

[18:38:18]

kormoc:

I need to make that an option soon

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kormoc:

or default it on as if it was a frontend

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mazda01:

sphery, how would I enable that FORCE_DELETE_RECORDING?

[18:39:04]

gbee:

the recording migration idea is fine, so long as it doesn't stop being one of the drives is being used for a recording, that's how I lost dozens of recordings, I had one input recording 24/7 @ 6hr lengths (wildlife cam), so it effectively denied that one disk to normal scheduled recordings

[18:39:08]

sphery:

mazda01: wait for kormoc to write the code, then upgrade to 0.22 when released (or 0.23--depending on when he finishes :)

[18:40:14]

mazda01:

sphery, ok. what do I do to get that command to work. as I keep getting "no database selected"

[18:40:46]

gbee:

with the other recordings all going to the full disk over a two week period, everything more than 6 months old was expired :/

[18:41:26]

mazda01:

sphery, what would the command be if I first entered mysql as root, and then did "use mythconverg"

[18:42:03]

sphery:

kormoc: I'm planning on writing code for mythbackend to automatically scan storage group directories and automatically add any "found" recordings to a specific recgroup ("Unidentified" or whatever) (finds orphaned recordings files). Another will allow sending a request for the backends to verify the existence of all files the database thinks should be there (find orphaned metadata) and return the list through MythXML. IMHO, ...

[18:42:09]

sphery:

... MythWeb should use that (vaporware) functionality.

[18:42:30]

sphery:

mazda01: that command was meant to be executed from the command line in your shell

[18:43:16]

sphery:

mazda01: but you can just execute the SQL (part in quotes) inside mysql client (but it won't write to a file, and you'll need to use tee and it won't be in a nice batch format, so it will have extra junk to clean up)... Doing it from the shell is best

[18:43:17]

mazda01:

sphery, i understand but it's saying that no database was selected. so I figured if I enter mysql as root and then did "use mythconverg;" then you could tell me the command

[18:43:39]

sphery:

yeah, after that do the stuff in the quotes

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sphery:

mazda01: but you should /not/ be getting no database selected from the command line

[18:45:03]

sphery:

as the command I gave specified the database (mythconverg)

[18:45:07]

mazda01:

sphery, I would love to do it from a terminal but it keeps saying that no database is selected. http://pastebin.com/f67699694

[18:45:14]

sphery:

if you forget the space after -p, you'd get no database selected

[18:45:37]

sphery:

you deleted the database name from the command I gave

[18:45:45]

sphery:

paste the command I gave /exactly/ as I gave it

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sphery:

it will then /ask/ you for the password

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sphery:

(which is much safer than putting it in the command line/bash history/...)

[18:46:10]

mazda01:

sphery, oops. i mean here's the output.

[18:46:14]

sphery:

i.e. mythconverg is /not/ the password

[18:46:18]

mazda01:

sphery, oops, http://pastebin.com/f6f8ed3ea

[18:46:20]

sphery:

mythconverg is the database name

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mazda01:

sphery, OH. that's where I screwed up. let me rerun it.

[18:47:16]

sphery:

again, paste the command /exactly/ as I gave it into the shell and it /will/ work: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT CONCAT('touch ', basename) FROM recorded;" > touch_files

[18:47:28]

sphery:

everything after "work:" should be pasted

[18:47:52]

mazda01:

sphery, sorry, that was the problem. I thought the mythconverg was the password. i ran it and it worked now. what do I do next?

[18:48:13]

sphery:

edit the file touch_files

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mazda01:

sphery, i have a file that looks like this: http://pastebin.com/f784989af

[18:48:31]

sphery:

then, go to a recording directory and chmod 700 ~/touch_files

[18:48:37]

sphery:

then execute it

[18:48:51]

sphery:

right, you need to delete the first line

[18:49:14]

mazda01:

sphery, I am in the touch_files now. what should I do to it again?

[18:49:19]

mazda01:

sphery, ok.

[18:49:54]

mazda01:

sphery, done. now do I cd to the recordings directoy?

[18:50:57]

Dagmar:

Type `. /filename.bat` and then close the Windows prompt

[18:51:17]

Dagmar:

Knowing how to use a computer might help a little

[18:51:19]

mazda01:

sphery, ok. i chmod'd the file and it's located in the /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ directory. now what please

[18:52:00]

sphery:

better command (strips the header automatically)--pasted here for my benefit so I can copy/paste for the next guy: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT CONCAT('touch ', basename) FROM recorded;" | tail -n+1 > touch_files

[18:52:37]

sphery:

Darn... The right one is: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT CONCAT('touch ', basename) FROM recorded;" | tail -n+2 > touch_files

[18:52:39]

mazda01:

sphery, how do I execute the file? don't I have to add #!/bin/bash at the top of the file?

[18:52:57]

sphery:

if you're in bash, you don't

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sphery:

but you could just do: sh ./touch_files

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mazda01:

sphery, ok. it created all the files. do I also need to do this in /media/500gb/recordings? what about the slave?

[18:54:18]

mazda01:

sphery, yeah, that's what I did.

[18:56:33]

sphery:

mazda01: assuming that both directories are in the same storage group (ie.. Default) only do it in one directory

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sphery:

and assuming that all your directories are in the same location on both the master and remote backends, no need to do it on the remote

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sphery:

just make sure that all the new files are owned by mythtv user (if not, sudo chown mythtv:mythtv *.mpg)

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coldpenguin:

May I ask what could be a stupid question?

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Dagmar:

No.

[18:58:58]

coldpenguin:

My EIT is still not working. I am looking at the

[18:59:01]

Dagmar:

There's a special channel for stupid questions, and this ain't it.

[18:59:02]

coldpenguin:

Darn, he said no

[18:59:25]

coldpenguin:

I am looking at the interactions netween inputs page, for the video sources

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Dagmar:

Are you _sure_ it's a stupid question?

[18:59:37]

coldpenguin:

I dunno, can't think at the moment

[19:00:16]

Dagmar:

It's not sounding like a stupid question.

[19:00:18]

coldpenguin:

My SBE has 1 DVB-S card, and this is refusing to scan for channels. It has a seperate channel listing set up for the video source.

[19:00:46]

coldpenguin:

I think, that the Input Group 1 and 2 should be left as generic. As the input is not shared with any other devices

[19:01:00]

coldpenguin:

However, I select generic, click finish, and re-enter,

[19:01:18]

coldpenguin:

it comes up as HDHR_/dev/dvb/adaptor0/frontend0

[19:01:35]

coldpenguin:

Which, I suppose is acceptable, but isn't what I selected

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gbee:

coldpenguin: how many devices total, what are they?

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coldpenguin:

Well, this is what worries me.

[19:02:41]

gbee:

HDHR would be a HD Homerun, which isn't a DVB-S card :)

[19:02:46]

coldpenguin:

the MBE has 3 USB Hauppage devices, DVB-T (do you need more info than that?) These work, and scan OK

[19:03:07]

coldpenguin:

the SBE has a single Hauppage (Think it is HDV400?) DVB-S card

[19:03:35]

coldpenguin:

The input device that the generic changed to, would appear to be one of three devices which exist in the setup, and the only other 3 is the the DVB-T usb devices

[19:03:47]

wagnerrp:

is there any reason to continue using 'mysql.txt' for anything, over 'config.xml'?

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coldpenguin:

@gbee, that was another concern. HD Homerun has nothing to do with my setup (and never has)

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gbee:

coldpenguin: generally you shouldn't need to touch the input groups, can you take screenshots of the device page, input connections and video source pages for the DVB-S source/device?

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gbee:

coldpenguin: livetv/recordings work for the DVB-S?

[19:06:06]

gbee:

just EIT which isn't working?

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coldpenguin:

Device page, you mean '2 Capture cards'

[19:06:38]

coldpenguin:

Yes, the liveTV is working fine. Just no EIT, and errors complaining that the program is not in the PAT, 5 minutes after having done the channel scan

[19:06:53]

coldpenguin:

(the errors are from the EIT scan)

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gbee:

yeah, select the DVB-S device from the list, so the page which shows the device name as supplied by the driver e.g. Nova-S DVB-S

[19:07:38]

gbee:

coldpenguin: Freesat?

[19:08:08]

coldpenguin:

Yup freesat. It was (EIT) working in .20, before I moved to trunk

[19:08:32]

gbee:

if livetv works and it's actively scanning for EIT, then the only possible thing I can think of is that EIT isn't enabled individually for those channels which carry EIT (disable it for all the channels you don't want)

[19:08:37]

coldpenguin:

but the 'upgrade' for some reason didn't go quite so smoothly, and I removed my cards and re-added

[19:08:59]

coldpenguin:

EIT (or at least 'useonairguide

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gbee:

which --version?

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coldpenguin:

' from mythweb) was enabled for BBC1 London (among others) which I know used to work

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coldpenguin:

MythTV Version : 20796

[19:09:46]

coldpenguin:

Enough?

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gbee:

coldpenguin: right, it might be getting stuck on the 'junk' channels which you probably aren't interested in anyway

[19:09:54]

gbee:

coldpenguin: 0.21?

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coldpenguin:

now trunk

[19:10:11]

coldpenguin:

used to use the atrpms

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gbee:

coldpenguin: is 'quick tune' enabled on that source?

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gbee:

try disabling, or changing it to live-tv only

[19:11:30]

coldpenguin:

No, disabled quick-tune

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gbee:

channel scanner is being re-written in trunk and might be producing bad results, Freesat EIT works fine for me with 0.21-fixes, but I don't have the DVB-S card hooked up yet in my development backend

[19:12:51]

coldpenguin:

I have screenshots of device screen, video sources, source to input screens. How should I get them anywhere (does pastebin do graphics?)

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gbee:

coldpenguin: can you dump your dtv_multiplex and channels tables to mythtv.pastebin.ca? We can then compare against known good values

[19:13:04]

coldpenguin:

EIT worked for the week after I installed the card

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gbee:

imagebin.ca

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gbee:

or imageshack.com

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coldpenguin:

Device screen: http://imagebin.ca/view/wodv-t.html

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coldpenguin:

connect source to input: http://imagebin.ca/view/rN1EdL.html

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coldpenguin:

Video sources: http://imagebin.ca/view/iQiHpfB.html

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coldpenguin:

It is probably something stupid I have set somewhere

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coldpenguin:

That is all the screenshots I took, say if you want a more detailed page

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Defense|Twin:

is there a way how i can make mythtv to automatic cut the black frame around some videos?

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wagnerrp:

you mean for display or transcoding?

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sphery:

coldpenguin: for your sake, you should change the Qt Theme to platinum

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coldpenguin:

@spehry, does that make the selected button easier to see by any chance?

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Defense|Twin:

(for example i have a 16:10 display the movie has something like 16:9 but the tv sends it with 4:3 so the i have black border all around)

[19:17:51]

sphery:

yep

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coldpenguin:

I changed to terra last night.

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sphery:

Qt Style in Appearance settings

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coldpenguin:

First thing the wife said when I walked through the door, 'What have you been playing with, the TV has gone all funny'

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sphery:

coldpenguin: this isn't the GUI theme--it's the style used for checkboxes/etc. in settings pages

[19:18:39]

wagnerrp:

16:9 on a 16:10 tv should only have minimal letterboxing

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coldpenguin:

Yes, I know the one, I just tend to leave things like that as defaults. I don't think that it effects much outside of the settings pages, we spend most of the time in 'recordings'

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wagnerrp:

are you saying the recording is 16:9, but the actual content in the recording is pillarboxed 4:3?

[19:19:35]

sphery:

Defense|Twin: it's not automatic, but use zoom to fix it (probably full zoom, though for 14:9 content, use half zoom)

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sphery:

Defense|Twin: there's a ticket with a patch that can be used to automatically set the zoom, but it doesn't compile with trunk, currently

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** kormoc wonders who's fault that could be **

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Defense|Twin:

sphery: would be cool to see it in one of the next version (i only use stable because it is much easier to set up on multiple machines)

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stuartm:

Defense|Twin: zoom/fill modes, press MENU during playback

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sphery:

coldpenguin: uncheck "Use DishNet Long-term EIT Data"--that's for DISH network, not for generic satellite DISH usage

[19:21:42]

stuartm:

sphery: worse, it doesn't work with vdpau yet

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RyeBrye:

http://woot.com/ has a $20 atsc / qam tuner up right now. (usb 2.0) – no official linux support

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iamlindoro:

Oh well, guess everyone will need to use sotware decode and have to "deal" with not watching decoder errors ;)

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stuartm:

coldpenguin: sphery might be onto something

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RyeBrye:

TBH that tuner thing on Woot would be more worth it to me as a LIRC device than as a tuner (assuming that the remote would work with LIRC)

[19:22:52]

sphery:

I'm often accused of being on something.

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stuartm:

coldpenguin: do you have a CAM?

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Defense|Twin:

stuartm: with which key i can zoom in?

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Defense|Twin:

stuartm: ah found it :)

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Dagmar:

Try 'w'

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coldpenguin:

'fraid not, I only checked it this afternoon as a last-ditch attempt

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stuartm:

Defense|Twin: the direct binding varies depending on the version of mythtv you are using – W might be a good one to try though

[19:23:49]

Defense|Twin:

stuartm: thx manual zoom is also ok not the best but i didn't found a normal video player with automatic zoom

[19:23:51]

coldpenguin:

CAM as in camera, or Satelote moving device? I am using LNB

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Defense|Twin:

stuartm: for me worked page down ;-)

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Dagmar:

neither

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iamlindoro:

CAM as in Conditional Access Module

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iamlindoro:

an inserted card/device that goes in the tuner to enable access to encrypted material

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stuartm:

coldpenguin: CAM as in you are able to watch 'pay' channels, you have "Unencrypted channels only" unchecked, it should be checked

[19:24:51]

wagnerrp:

is config.xml safe for use in scripts in place of mysql.txt?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: AFAIK yes, all scripts moving forward *should* use it

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stuartm:

try enabling that option and disabling the DISHNET one, then restart the backend and wait

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coldpenguin:

Sorry, no, do ont have a CAM. I unchecked the Unencrypted only yesterday, as it wasn't working, and the current scan method for detecting encrypted channels is bust in trunk (or it was last week)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the Perl bindings use config.xml with a fallback to mysql.txt

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the Python bindings should probably do similar

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stuartm:

SELECT COUNT(*) FROM channel WHERE source_id='{value}'; to check whether any data is being inserted for the Freesat source

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sphery:

the whole config.xml things is a huge mess right now

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wagnerrp:

python are currently mysql.txt only

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coldpenguin:

channels.sql : http://filebin.ca/hsngmj/channels.sql

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j-rod:

hey, any folks in here w/an imon vfd device?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: bindings/perl/MythTV.pm has the perl code

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kormoc:

j-rod, xris might

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j-rod:

trying to figure out wtf lcdproc driver they use

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coldpenguin:

dtv_multiplex.sql: http://filebin.ca/hqsspd/dtv_multiplex.sql

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wagnerrp:

i have the python bindings working with the config.xml currently, was just wondering about posting it

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j-rod:

i.e., do the newer vfd devices use the imon lcdproc driver, or the imonlcd lcdproc driver

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cityLights1:

got a problem

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wagnerrp:

whether it can be guaranteed that that file will have a '<DefaultBackend>' element

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kormoc:

cityLights1, we all do, hence why shrinks make the cash

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wagnerrp:

but i suppose i can always have it fail back to mysql.txt if need be

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j-rod:

adding some sysfs attrs to lirc_imon to let you enable the clock by just echoing a date string into a sysfs thingy

[19:27:59]

cityLights1:

I can play audio to ALSA:default

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coldpenguin:

Unknown column source_id

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cityLights1:

I setup a plug in .asoundrc , named mythplug, I can play audio to it using mplayer -ao mythplug

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coldpenguin:

??? Should be there, it tab completes!

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cityLights1:

but the frontend gives: AudioOutput Error: snd_pcm_open(mythplug): Device or resource busy

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Dagmar:

I'm confused

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coldpenguin:

Count*=850

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stuartm:

sourceid? I'm going from memory here

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Dagmar:

I don't see where MythTV is involved there

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coldpenguin:

for sourceid=4

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j-rod:

xris: poke

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kormoc:

coldpenguin, so source_id != sourceid

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I was wrong... Perl bindings use only config.xml

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stuartm:

coldpenguin: so it is inserting data

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meshe:

coldpenguin: tab complete in mysql is crosstable

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Dagmar:

Ah wait now I see it

[19:30:28]

j-rod:

kormoc: thanks for the pointer, didn't know he had one...

[19:30:36]

stuartm:

coldpenguin: watch to see if it increases, if it does that something is obviously working :)

[19:30:48]

kormoc:

j-rod, he has something that iirc is that, but I could be very wrong

[19:30:53]

cityLights1:

kormoc: any idea why?

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Dagmar:

Perhaps ALSA:mythplug or just ALSA:default will work

[19:31:04]

kormoc:

cityLights1, one has a _ and one doesn't?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ideally, the DB config wouldn't ever be in the config.xml... Only the USN and SecurityPin, which would be used to contact the backend to ask for DB info, but since the whole UPnP is too unreliable it will almost always include DB info.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ok, ill add in the UPnP stuff and leave it at that then

[19:32:13]

sphery:

wagnerrp: great... And feel free to remove the mysql.txt stuff, too.

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wagnerrp:

already removed

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sphery:

great

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sphery:

consistency between bindings is a /beautiful/ thing

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wagnerrp:

i would have had to add back a failover to mysql.txt

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cityLights1:

http://pastebin.com/m1b266d51

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, but using a API is cheating!

[19:32:51]

sphery:

(even if it means that users will have to copy a config.xml from other systems to use the bindings :)

[19:32:54]

cityLights1:

this is my .asoundrc

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** dustybin fiddles with lexical elements **

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Hehe

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wagnerrp:

although it looks like the perl bindings only take from ~/.mythtv/config.xml

[19:33:29]

wagnerrp:

the python bindings search through half a dozen locations

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coldpenguin:

Right, dishnet is now off again, unencruypted only is now on again. I will give it a half an hour, and report back

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coldpenguin:

I have changed the input group from the HDHR to a new group called satelite, this is the only item in it.

[19:34:35]

sphery:

cityLights1: if you're using ALSA:mythplug for the Audio output device, you /still/ need to use ALSA:default for the Mixer device

[19:34:57]

cityLights1:

I tried

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coldpenguin:

Is there a better -v to set on mythbackend than important,general,eit,schedule,extra,channelscan (I don't think the last 3 do anything)

[19:35:24]

cityLights1:

doesnt work even when I play to ALSA:mythplug and control using ALSA:default

[19:35:47]

sphery:

cityLights1: (didn't read all of scrollback, so ignore me if you are, but that's often a mistake people make when using logical device names--they assume the Mixer device will use the same name as the output device, when it doesn't--in fact, that the mixer is ALSA:default is wrong (it should be default), but when we did it right, people configured it wrong, so now we just do it wrong)

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sphery:

coldpenguin: the default is -v important,general

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sphery:

coldpenguin: which is best for normal usage, but for debugging config problems, you can add additional :)

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cityLights1:

in a diffrent issue: where can I ask about the tour de france IN ENGLISH?

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kormoc:

cityLights1, google tour de France english irc?

[19:37:36]

sphery:

wagnerrp: the only allowed place for config.xml is $MYTHCONFDIR/config.xml where, by default, MYTHCONFDIR=$HOME/.mythtv

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wagnerrp:

well theres a comment 'order taken from libs/libmyth/mythcontext.cpp'

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so I'd recommend removing all the other locations--just check MYTHCONFDIR appropriately

[19:38:32]

iamlindoro:

Don't be spoiling today's TDF in here

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cityLights1:

sphery: what key should I pas using --override-setting KEY= to change the audio device?

[19:38:41]

iamlindoro:

Some of us need to watch tonight

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sphery:

wagnerrp: for mysql.txt, there were many locations, but for config.xml, there aren't

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sphery:

probably just legacy code/comment

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wagnerrp:

ah, ok...

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cityLights1:

iamlindoro: it is great today, you will enjoy

[19:39:26]

iamlindoro:

cityLights1: I heard that, but it's all I've heard, don't want to spoil it :)

[19:39:40]

iamlindoro:

purposely avoiding cyclingnews

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cityLights1:

iamlindoro: some times I see cyclist hang on to the car, sometimes not, when is it allowed?

[19:40:21]

wagnerrp:

actually, the python bindings should have been broken if 'MYTHCONFDIR' were ever defined

[19:40:33]

iamlindoro:

cityLights1: In theory, never-- if it's their own support car and they're exchanging items, sometimes the guys will latch on, but it's technically never okay

[19:40:36]

wagnerrp:

it was trying to append to a non-existent variable

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sphery:

wow, new features /and/ bug fixes :)

[19:41:31]

sphery:

I'm glad Myth has an official snake charmer, now...

[19:41:38]

wagnerrp:

ugh...

[19:41:50]

wagnerrp:

just get sucked into these things... :P

[19:42:10]

sphery:

well, it's definitely something that someone needed to do, so we appreciate it

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cityLights1:

iamlindoro: assuming a rider has a flate tire and he is in the leading bunch, then he trails and fixs it, does the repair time taken off his time?

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iamlindoro:

Don't worry, once they sit it trac for a few decades it'll suck the life out of you

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iamlindoro:

cityLights1: Nope, it all counts

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cityLights1:

even if they can't finish a stage?

[19:43:28]

iamlindoro:

if they can't finish a stage, they withdraw

[19:43:30]

cityLights1:

for they where shot at ?

[19:43:36]

iamlindoro:

support cars carry many extra bikes, though

[19:43:50]

iamlindoro:

Usually they'll just swap bikes

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sphery:

wonder why NASCAR doesn't do it that way...

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cityLights1:

what did mark cavendish do wrong?

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cityLights1:

and how was he punished?

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iamlindoro:

cityLights1: He pushed hushovd too close to the barrier and put him in danger, and his points were taken away

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Dagmar:

Testing revealed he had traces of Lance Armstrong in his blood

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iamlindoro:

At least, that was the judge's opinion

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laga:

comparing tour de france to NASCAR.. not sure what is worse

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sphery:

heh

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Dagmar:

NASCAR

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sphery:

actually was saying that maybe NASCAR should be more like TDF

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Dagmar:

Mainly because I have to put up with their shit where I live

[19:47:52]

cityLights1:

thanks Iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

cityLights1: np

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cityLights1:

they comentators just talk a lot of $%^p and I just dont understand the basics

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laga:

Dagmar: ah right, you live in the not-so-civilized part of the US ;)

[19:49:29]

cityLights1:

I just dont understand how armstrong is thierd in the GC yet he is always in the middle of the pack

[19:49:55]

cityLights1:

I would have expected him to lead...

[19:50:22]

iamlindoro:

cityLights1: Armstrong isn't going to win this year

[19:50:29]

iamlindoro:

Contador is going to demolish everyone

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cityLights1:

why?

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iamlindoro:

Because Contador is far better, stronger, and younger

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cityLights1:

they are riding near eachother most of the time...

[19:51:11]

iamlindoro:

Contador is constantly smoking Lance this year

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cityLights1:

where?

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iamlindoro:

Lance is riding well, but Contador is just much, much better

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iamlindoro:

Contador won the stage two days ago

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cityLights1:

last few days the where together in the peleton

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cityLights1:

o ok , right

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iamlindoro:

Theyw ere with the breakaway, not the peleton

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Dagmar:

It's only a matter of time now before emergency services are called to remove someone's novelty foam finger from up their ass after they do something to piss me off on the road

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cityLights1:

when did they break-away?

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cityLights1:

in spain

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cityLights1:

??

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Dagmar:

NASCAR fans you would THINK would be capable of driving on normal streets

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iamlindoro:

cityLights1: Huh? You need to watch closer (or in your native language)

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sphery:

"Contador, cyclist. A man barely alive. Gentelmen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's foremost cyclist. Contador will be that man. Better than he was before. Better, strong, and younger."

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cityLights1:

ok

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iamlindoro:

cityLights1: Pretty much every day of the race, the real leaders have been in the small breakaway group

[19:53:24]

iamlindoro:

sometimes there is another breakaway group ahead of them

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cityLights1:

back to data stuctures and liner sorting

[19:53:37]

iamlindoro:

but those people are never the same, and therefor never a threat

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cityLights1:

right

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iamlindoro:

As the top 5 perform *consistently* better day after day, and the stage winners are always different

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iamlindoro:

so they gradually pull away from the middle-pack

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Guest65156:

hello, I have a problem with hvr-4000. Myth will not scan for channels. I can run CL scan and it picks up all channels. dvbscan does not work, cannot set frontend. Any ideas?

[19:54:31]

krisb:

have there been any large crashes yet?

[19:54:36]

krisb:

only part worth watching :p

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cityLights1:

I am not telling

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cityLights1:

bye for now

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cityLights1:

thanks again

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iamlindoro:

Armstrong, Contador, nocentini, etc. are the ones who are consistently strong

[19:55:16]

iamlindoro:

bye

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Guest65156:

It was working ok not loang ago, got the vdpau drivers working for bbc hd, then bbc hd would not record.

[19:55:25]

iamlindoro:

krisb: There was a really awful accident yesterday

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cityLights1:

right I noticed that

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iamlindoro:

Jens Voigt crashed on a downhill at like 40 MPH and got knocked out, and had his face dragged along a hundred yards of road

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** meshe cringes **

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Guest65156:

mythbuntu 9.04, installed new firmware, it is picking it up, can see in dmesg. Can watch channels with mplayer

[19:56:58]

Guest65156:

Broken cheekbone and dodgy elbow....

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krisb:

did he take anyone else out before he stopped?

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krisb:

:o

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iamlindoro:

no, single rider crash

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krisb:

i might be missing the point of tour de france sligthly

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krisb:

but meh

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iamlindoro:

If you have no interest in endurance events, it may not appeal to you

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coldpenguin:

blah. Not been half an hour yet, but the errors are the same again: http://pastebin.com/d14a53cf

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Guest65156:

so how do i get myth to scan? tried tuned scan, just get black window where tuning would normally be, tried channels.conf import, scan screen says says something, but changes to black window too fast to see...

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coldpenguin:

What OS are you running Guest?

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Guest65156:

mythbuntu 9.04

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coldpenguin:

I had an odd problem with my F11 system. dvbscan from one repo wasn't working, had to install a different repo

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Guest65156:

latest kernel

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Guest65156:

have been installing updates, should have left it!

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** Dagmar puts three bucks on "user is attempting to scan for NTSC broadcasts" **

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coldpenguin:

Ah, was it working before...

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Guest65156:

does myth use dvbscan?

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coldpenguin:

The following command should be enough to get output from dvbscan, (change the path to your Astra file of course)

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coldpenguin:

dvbscan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Astra-28.2E

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iamlindoro:

no, myth has an internal scanner

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Guest65156:

done that with dvbscan, says cannot set frontend

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coldpenguin:

I know, but here he is saying dvbscan doesn't work either

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wagnerrp:

since when does mythbuntu use vdpau?

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Guest65156:

scan works fine!

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coldpenguin:

which would suggest that perhaps a module or firmware is missing

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Guest65156:

installed 2 different firmware, same problem.

[20:02:55]

coldpenguin:

If you run dmesg |grep -i firmware

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coldpenguin:

is there a record that the firmware is being loaded?

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Guest65156:

[ 46.132414] i2c-adapter i2c-0: firmware: requesting dvb-fe-cx24116.fw [ 46.434230] cx24116_firmware_ondemand: Waiting for firmware upload(2)... [ 51.580024] cx24116_load_firmware: FW version 1.22.82.0 [ 51.580039] cx24116_firmware_ondemand: Firmware upload complete

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wagnerrp:

looks like i would have to do my own UPnP implementation to autodetect the backend

[20:04:19]

wagnerrp:

no libraries available for python

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** iamlindoro kinds wants to see 6138 mlocked **

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iamlindoro:

er kinda

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coldpenguin:

Getting complaints here about terra again. 'don't like a horizontal list' 'I like a vertical list' 'how do I delete a recording' 'do I press enter to go into a group' blah

[20:05:26]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development

[20:05:28]

iamlindoro:

Get to work

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meshe:

lol

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Guest65156:

scan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Astra-28.2E works just fine

[20:07:29]

coldpenguin:

'why doesn't it tell you there is more underneath like a down arrow or something'

[20:07:31]

coldpenguin:

blah

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** coldpenguin just got hit by the wife, shouldn't have let her see me type that :( **

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iamlindoro:

Why share that? It's not even legit issues with the theme, and surely you know that its author is present?

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coldpenguin:

I do know know who the author is? Actually, I would find it useful if there were a down arrow, (but don't let her hear me say that)

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iamlindoro:

Whether your wife likes horizontal or vertical lists is her preference, but it's not a legit complaint about Terra. The theme author gets to make those decisions, and if you like something else, the docs are there to write your own

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Guest65156:

I had BBC HD recordings working with vdpau, on a P4 2Ghz, 512MB, nvidia 8400gs (PCI). using about 10–15% CPU playing HD recording.

[20:09:47]

wagnerrp:

that seems rather high

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coldpenguin:

Hey, I am just saying that I knew I would get these comments. Personally I like it, it is a lot better than the other theme that I was using

[20:09:56]

wagnerrp:

but again, since when does mythbuntu support vdpau?

[20:09:57]

iamlindoro:

Guest65156: We don't provide any support in this channel for those backports, discussion of them is not welcome here

[20:10:55]

coldpenguin:

Sorry, if I did offend who-ever wrote the theme, it was literaly meant that SWMBO can't handle any change, even if it is for the better!

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Guest65156:

no problem! I do not want support for that, why would vdpau break myth scanning though?

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iamlindoro:

Guest65156: That's not the only patch applied in that patchset-- there are DOZENS of others

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iamlindoro:

therefore the whole setup becomes unsupported here

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Fleischwurst:

hallo, spricht hier wer deutsch?

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iamlindoro:

Fleischwurst: #mythtv-de

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Fleischwurst:

thx

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iamlindoro:

np

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coldpenguin:

@Guest, when you selected the item under Card Inputs, did the system detect the name/type of your card?

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: 10–15% is about right for vdpau + BBC HD

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wagnerrp:

stuarta: but all youre doing is decoding audio, seems a bit high

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iamlindoro:

P4 2Ghz

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stuartm:

mpeg-2 uses 7–10% on a 2.5Ghz here

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iamlindoro:

#6754 = .21 = autoclose!

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wagnerrp:

i mean i was getting 10–15% on an old P3

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Fleischwurst:

i need help. channels scann sucsessfull, but if i hit the "TV" Button, nothing is starting, whatcan be the reason?

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stuartm:

maybe I'll profile it one day, but 10–15% is reasonable enough for me

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coldpenguin:

You still need to transfer the video data from the DVB card to the Video card though don't you?

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Guest65156:

yes.in capture card setup, I select DVB DTV capture card v3.x, it shows conexant cx24116.

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Guest65156:

and to the HD and back.

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coldpenguin:

Under Diseq, what have you selected?

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Guest65156:

LNB

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Guest65156:

it is connected directly to LNB

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coldpenguin:

Thing is, I am not in much of a better position than you at the moment, I can scan, watch TV, but the EIT isn't working

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stuartm:

coldpenguin: terra ain't finish yet, long way from being done, so yeah touches like the arrows etc are missing

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Guest65156:

I lost many channels, some still worked though, EPG was fine, could not get bbc hd back. So i deleted the capture cards etc and started again.

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coldpenguin:

Ok, thanks stuart. It is a nice looking theme, and I understand that it may not be complete.

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coldpenguin:

Hmm, you lost channels, is it possible that your LNB is going faulty?

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AndyCap:

or acorn fade?

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Guest65156:

no, was watching bbc hd earlier with mplayer

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coldpenguin:

Sounds silly, but I have heard of them sometimes only being able to tune to either horizontal or vertical

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coldpenguin:

which would explain why some work and some don't.

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Guest65156:

that rings a bell from when i first tuned it.....

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coldpenguin:

The LNBÂ needs to be able to tune to both. But wouldn't really explain why you can't scan, in theory you should just get timeouts I think

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Guest65156:

I still had the EIT for the channels, but I could not watch or record them...it would try to record, but when i tried to play back myth said file was 0 bytes or summat!

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coldpenguin:

hmm, same happened to me when my aerial fell out of my DVB-T cards. How about turning up the tuning timeout so something rediculous, like 60000msec

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Guest65156:

OK, I will give it a try......I have a dual LNB so will try that too. back later

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stuartm:

coldpenguin: just realised I gave bad advice earlier, I meant for you to check the number of programs in the program table, not the channel table

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stuartm:

SELECT COUNT(*) FROM program ... etc

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superdug:

does myth tv work on computer monitors or just tv's?

[20:28:47]

coldpenguin:

If I haven't alienated those helpful people in the channel, do you think if I delete all the satelite channels, and then just re-scan to say BBC 1 London, that would help narrow things down?

[20:29:20]

iamlindoro:

superdug: Myth runs on computers. It will display on anything you can plug your GPU into.

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stuartm:

coldpenguin: I think having the encrypted channels plus channels you are not actually interested in watching is probably slowing down EIT collection if nothing else

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superdug:

iamlindoro: what about projectors?

[20:29:53]

iamlindoro:

superdug: "anything you can plug your GPU into."

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superdug:

I usually plug my gpu into the motherboard

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** iamlindoro rolls his eyes **

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iamlindoro:

clearly not interested in real answers-- oh well, was a retarded question anyway

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** AndyCap s projector doesn't have enough cpu for mythtv **

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** meshe laughs **

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coldpenguin:

Hmm, I might have the wrong columns, source_id, sourcid don't exist, so I plumped for listingsource

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AndyCap:

and the rs-232 port isn't ideal for streaming HD.

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superdug:

iamlindoro: set serious_level -1;

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stuartm:

coldpenguin: "SELECT name FROM channel WHERE serviceid='5634';" – will give you the name of the channel it's trying to tune, but failing

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coldpenguin:

A value of 1 (which I think denotes my DVB-T, which works), gives 22770, a value of 4 (which I think should be the satelite listing source) gives a value of ....0...

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iamlindoro:

superdug: for (; questionIsRetarded; ++iq);

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iamlindoro:

s/++iq/iq++/

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superdug:

camel case

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meshe:

s/++/--/

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superdug:

meh

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superdug:

god invented the underscore for a reason!

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coldpenguin:

Might be a problem there.... The name field is blank ''

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stuartm:

coldpenguin: "DELETE FROM channel WHERE serviceid='5634';"

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stuartm:

and keep doing that for all of those errors

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stuartm:

seems some bad values in the channel table

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stuartm:

then restart the backend (again)

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** coldpenguin thinks there are a lot of errors **

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coldpenguin:

I assume it is just the SBE with the non-scanning DVB-S I would need to restart

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stuartm:

yeah

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stuartm:

"Program #{serviceid} not found in PAT!"

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coldpenguin:

Can I cheat? Just loaded mythtv-setup, can I use the channel numbers from the 3 pages of channels listed as Unnamed, rather than wait for the EIT to throw an error?

[20:36:31]

stuartm:

sure

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stuartm:

umm, actually channel numbers != serviceid

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stuartm:

just hit D – delete

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stuartm:

or Menu – Delete, can't remember which

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stuartm:

better yet, "DELETE FROM channel WHERE name='';"

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coldpenguin:

that last one I think is sensible.

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coldpenguin:

45 rows gone....

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** coldpenguin twiddles thumbs **

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coldpenguin:

In theory though, shouldn't it just have given up with those at some point and carried on to more useful channels? It was left overnight, in what I think was a configured state

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stuartm:

in theory

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stuartm:

but on top of the dozens of encrypted channels, it's getting stuck somewhere

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stuartm:

did you dump the channels table/dtv_multiplex table to pastebin? Only needs to be a sample of the former for sourceid 4

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sphery:

I say take what you've learned, then start over clean with: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 :)

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stuartm:

I'll compare against mine to see whether the scanner is failing to populate some fields correctly

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coldpenguin:

dtv_multiplex.sql: http://filebin.ca/hqsspd/dtv_multiplex.sql

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coldpenguin:

channels.sql : http://filebin.ca/hsngmj/channels.sql

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coldpenguin:

I was worried you were going to say thay wphery

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coldpenguin:

I didn't follow the howto, but did a delete all cards 2 weeks ago.

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coldpenguin:

The select from Program where listingsource=4 is still at 0. Looks like I need to find a time when I am not being watched, and start again., Again

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stuartm:

checked 3/4 entries of dtv_multiplex, only differences were visible/serviceversion (no idea what either actually do)

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coldpenguin:

Time for bed now methinkgs. Thanks for all your suggestions

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stuartm:

tuning info is all correct

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coldpenguin:

I turn off visible and use EIT for the DVB-T channels that are encrypted that I cannot receive

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coldpenguin:

There is another advantage to mythtv. The EPG is so good, we don't bother with a listings magazine. Which means, that whilst the DVB-S isn't working, we don't actually know what we are missing :)

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coldpenguin:

'night all

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coldpenguin:

stuart, was I missing any channels as far as you could tell? I don't know exactly how satellite works, but if I were to design something like this, I would set a 'service' channel at the base frequency for each group of channels, which would have useful information like EIT

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sphery:

wagnerrp: The UPnP autodiscovery isn't really that useful in the bindings unless the bindings provide some mechanism for the user to type in the PIN and/or select backend..

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sphery:

i.e. it only works in the perl bindings if the user has only a single backend on the network and explicitly disables the security pin by setting it to 0000

[20:59:08]

wagnerrp:

the USN and PIN never get stored in that xml file?

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sphery:

stuartm: I'll change the patch on #5759. THanks for looking at it.

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wagnerrp:

and i thought disabling the security pin disabled auto-discovery all together

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sphery:

blank disables all connections, 0000 allows any client to connect

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wagnerrp:

ah

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stuartm:

coldpenguin: can't see anything missing, but then it's a long list which is harder to read because of all the encrypted and nameless/junk channels

[21:01:29]

sphery:

wagnerrp: not that myth has (or needs) real security, but some people whined when autodiscovery went in, so the pin was added and completely broke the idea of autodiscovery

[21:01:50]

sphery:

which is much of the reason why the whole config.xml thing is so broken right now

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stuartm:

sorry

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stuartm:

in fairness I don't know that the pin broke autodiscovery, but it did mean that it was disabled by default which ultimately meant that less people used it

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sphery:

ok, true--by changing the pin to 0000, it can work, again

[21:04:30]

iamlindoro:

Could rip it out now :)

[21:04:45]

stuartm:

yeah, might just do that

[21:04:53]

iamlindoro:

As my father always said, Better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission

[21:04:54]

stuartm:

not remove the pin, but make 0000 the default

[21:04:55]

sphery:

I should say, "for the bindings" in that, too

[21:05:01]

sphery:

broke it for the bindings

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sphery:

as the frontend has a UI for selecting the backend/entering pin

[21:05:25]

stuartm:

wouldn't know anything about the bindings

[21:06:09]

sphery:

basically the idea of autodiscovery was, "If we find the mbe, we can ask it for the DB connection info, then we can get rid of mysql.txt."

[21:06:47]

sphery:

instead we ended up moving the contents of mysql.txt to config.xml and now have 2 different config files used by different things

[21:07:14]

iamlindoro:

Would be neat to expand the bindings to the point where they could actually be used to write plugins instead of just enable scripts

[21:07:38]

iamlindoro:

Not that I am a proponent of python plugins, but it has worked well for other projects in terms of getting tons of plugins written

[21:07:48]

stuartm:

there was a point where something got added to config.xml and I started to see things were going wrong

[21:08:11]

sphery:

stuartm: yeah... now that all the db info is in there (since the bindings need it)...

[21:08:38]

stuartm:

yup, defeated the point

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stuartm:

sphery: though the pin is also stored there, so why the connection info too?

[21:09:35]

stuartm:

if the bindings can read the pin, they don't need the db details

[21:10:00]

sphery:

in truth, I don't know

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sphery:

I know that 99% of users had broken configs (they installed Net::UPnP::ControlPoint but were missing Net::UPnP::Request(something or another) and that meant that the UPnP autodiscover in Perl bindings didn't work.

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sphery:

may have just been because of that

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sphery:

we now have a better error message, so packagers should be able to fix it, but I think that went in trunk, only

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wagnerrp:

wasnt there someone trying to write such a thing for python a year or so ago?

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wagnerrp:

(plugins written in python)

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iamlindoro:

I expect it would require some amount of MythUI<->Binding interaction and would likely require someone to know both well

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iamlindoro:

And given you can count the MythUI experts on one finger...

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Dagmar:

Guess which finger...

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wagnerrp:

so now we just need someone to demand gbee rewrite mythui using python, and we're set!

[21:16:07]

sphery:

heh

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Dagmar:

Use perl

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sphery:

didn't you guys notice that gbee is gone?

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sphery:

changed his nick so we couldn't ask him to do more work

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Dagmar:

He's hiding under the nickname 'clever'

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wagnerrp:

thats why he changed it a couple hours ago?

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dustybin:

LOL

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sphery:

Dagmar: No, a far more ingenious nick--stuartm... Now a clever man would pick a nick that has no relation to his real name, because he would know that only a great fool would try to find him using his real name. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose to look for him with a nick related to his real name. But he must have known I was not a great fool, he would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose to look ...

[21:20:51]

sphery:

... for him with a nick not related to his real name

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mkrufky:

hahaha thats hilarious ... i joined this room as not_krufky before even reading this chat

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Guest65156:

bugger, still no scanning joy!

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Guest65156:

sometimes, when I go back to diseq, it says unconnected, even though I set it to LNB before.

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juski:

you need to complete a setup page by going to FINISH

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Guest65156:

FINISH goes back to LNB!

[21:31:14]

Guest65156:

I can hit escape to get out, go back and it is still set...

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Guest65156:

to LNB

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Guest65156:

maybe I am missing so buttons that are off screen!

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Guest65156:

sorted!

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Guest65156:

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kormoc:

sphery, that's awesome

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Stephen__:

Hello All, I wonder if anyone can help me with a problem building the latest svn. I'm getting an error undefined reference to `MythUIHelper::AddCurrentLocation(QString)' More at http://pastebin.ca/1503657 Thanks

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stuartm:

Stephen__: svn stat

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Guest65156:

tip: dont put 7 month old sons playmat next to keyboard on floor!

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stuartm:

svn up, make distclean, ./configure --prev, make

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Dagmar:

*sigh* always flush stale objects before rebuilding

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Stephen__:

stuartm: svn stat gives me ? programs/mythtv/version.cpp Ive been through the up,make distclean ./configure make cycle but I'm trying it again just now

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Guest65156:

just time for another JD before scan finishes....

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Stephen__:

Dagmar:Do you think that is what is causing my build problem? Is there anything I can/should be doing over and above make distclean to get rid of stale objects?

[21:58:34]

Dagmar:

Uninstall the old version of Myth that's sitting around in /usr/lib somewhere or other

[21:58:56]

Dagmar:

Generally that _particular_ type of failure means an old version fo the library managed to find it's way into the linking phase of the new one

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stuartm:

it shouldn't be linking installed libs

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stuartm:

that said

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Stephen__:

the previous/current installation was a mythbuntu weekly build of trunk, but it does not seem to have debug symbols and I am getting a segfault with a small number of recordings, so there is still an installed version.

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stuartm:

apt-get remove then, it shouldn't happen, but strange things happen sometimes

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Stephen__:

it's gone, so we'll see how this build goes I presumed that it wouldn't affect the make step, but I haven't done much building on linux, or PC's in general. my current work build is targeting a device with 512bytes of RAM so it's a slightly different ballgame!! Thanks for your help

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Stephen__:

that's built this time, thanks again for your help

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medisoft:

hi all!

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medisoft:

is anyone here?

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kormoc:

medisoft, nope, all 194 of us are missing in action

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medisoft:

hehe

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medisoft:

can you help me with mythtv doubt?

[23:05:34]

kormoc:

doubt?

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AndyCap:

Just say no.

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mazda01:

sphery, i am trying to delete them now through mythweb and I am getting a permission denied error. what user does mythweb use to delete the files? because they are located at /media/500gb/recordings/ and they are owned by root and group mythtv and have group writable permissions.

[23:06:18]

kormoc:

mazda01, your webserver is likely running as apache or httpd, it's easiest to give other +rw permissions

[23:06:24]

medisoft:

mazda01, i think is mythtv user for all video storage

[23:07:00]

medisoft:

if your machine is dedicated for mythtv you can change the http user to mythtv or add http user to mythtv group (best solution)

[23:07:31]

medisoft:

i have a doubt about how good work the ir-audio remote receiver....

[23:07:47]

medisoft:

before i build one

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AndyCap:

medisoft: umm, spend a few dollars more on a better one?

[23:08:30]

medisoft:

i'm in mexico, here there are not stores that sells ir receivers :(

[23:08:43]

kormoc:

there are online stores that ship to mexico I'm sure

[23:08:46]

mazda01:

kormoc, what files or folders would I want to run +rw against?

[23:08:58]

oobe:

qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm

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kormoc:

mazda01, the ones holding the recordings

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow at oobe **

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** oobe hasnt said anything in a few weeks and thought he would be profound **

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kormoc:

write out the dvorak style without looking at a dvorak keyboard?

[23:10:59]

medisoft:

mazda01, you can do ls -ld /media/500gb/recordings to see the premission and users

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oobe:

hmm i cannot

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medisoft:

and if it is rwxrwx... you can issue (at least in ubuntu) sudo adduser youruser thegroupInTheFolder

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kormoc:

you see, that would have been profound, oh well

[23:12:22]

mazda01:

kormoc, so just run sudo chmod -R 777 /media/500gb/recordings/ and also /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/?

[23:12:35]

kormoc:

that's the very simple way of doing it, aye

[23:12:37]

medisoft:

and after reloading the Xorg session you will have access to that files, without chmodding

[23:13:19]

oobe:

pyfgcrlaoeu

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mazda01:

kormoc, ok, I got rid of all those recordings that were missing because I had storage locations defined on the slave backend but now I am also seeing some errors about previews or something. here's what it shows. http://pastebin.com/f6f46aaa5 does this mean anything to you?

[23:15:43]

kormoc:

it's thinking the file isn't available on the backend

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mazda01:

kormoc, ok, can I just touch it so it thinks it's there? how do I delete a preview request though? mythweb thumbnails are all there now so I don't know what it's erroring on?

[23:17:41]

oobe:

kormoc, i looked at a dvorak

[23:17:42]

oobe:

pyfgcrlaoeuidhtnsqjkxbmwvz

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mazda01:

i don't know how to use xargs. I want to find and remove all files that have 0 size to them. would I do something like sudo find /var/lib/mythtv/recordings -size 0 | xargs rm?

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i_is_cat:

so as far as that pvr150 with weird display goes, i think it was due to the fact that i accidentally set it up as a v4l device and then the driver needed to be reloaded to work properly as an mpeg tuner or whatever the x50 setting is, so it is working now :D

[23:20:03]

i_is_cat:

the cats chewed the ir blaster cable in half tho on the first night :(

[23:23:05]

sphery:

mazda01: mythweb does not delete recordings. It sends a command to the backend to delete the recordings.

[23:23:38]

sphery:

if you're getting permission denied errors (likely in the backend log), then mythbackend has the wrong permissions

[23:24:29]

sphery:

mazda01: and, you likely didn't do the part I told you to do about making sure all the new files were owned by mythtv:mythtv... 20090722 14:57:35<+sphery> just make sure that all the new files are owned by mythtv user (if not, sudo chown mythtv:mythtv *.mpg)

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mazda01:

sphery, oh, that's not good. what do I need to check? what was that command to find 0 size files and remove them?

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sphery:

what you gave would work... or, instead of | xargs rm, with current find, you can just say -delete

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kormoc:

ha

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kormoc:

teach me to not think

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sphery:

however, I highly recommend always suing find /var/lib/mythtv/recordings -size 0 -print0 | xargs -0 rm

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** kormoc sues find **

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sphery:

i.e. always use print0 since the only character that's disallowed in Unix filenames is null, so it will work regardless of filename

[23:26:14]

sphery:

if you don't do -print0, spaces and/or linefeed can break things

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mazda01:

sphery, ok, thank you. any ideas about the preview error and how I can fix it?

[23:26:57]

sphery:

mazda01: where did you run the touch_files? which dir?

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meshe:

kormoc: what's the word on the mini?

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sphery:

I'm guessing in /media/500gb/recordings/

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mazda01:

sphery, I ran it in both directories.

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sphery:

that's the problem... you now have 2 files for every recording

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sphery:

so definitely remove all the 0-length files

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mazda01:

sphery, i ran it on the master

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mazda01:

sphery, i am. thanks

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sphery:

20090722 14:56:33<+sphery> mazda01: assuming that both directories are in the same storage group (ie.. Default) only do it in one directory

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sphery:

see the "only do it in one directory" part :)

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sphery:

20090722 14:57:02<+sphery> and assuming that all your directories are in the same location on both the master and remote backends, no need to do it on the remote

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sphery:

see, all this was there... :)

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mazda01:

sphery, i realized that after I went to the slave and found the 0 size files already there. HA HA, silly me.

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mazda01:

sphery, why would I only want to do it in one directory though? I have 2 storage locations defined right. so mythweb was trying to find some files in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ and some files in /media/500gb/recordings/.

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sphery:

really, after running it in one directory, you should fix dups... assuming you ran the script in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings , something like: cd /var/lib/mythtv/recordings && for file in *.mpg ; do if [ -e /media/500gb/recordings/${file} -a ! -s /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/${file} ] ; then rm /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/${file} ; fi ; done

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sphery:

^^^ completely untested

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iamlindoro:

Sphery, I understand the first part, but why include that second part that will get his teenage daughter pregnant?

[23:34:57]

iamlindoro:

and that part that empties his bank account into yours is just mean

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sphery:

heh

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Dagmar:

To teach them to do their own research instead of just typing whatever someone on IRC tells them to

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mazda01:

sphery, what do you mean dups?

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sphery:

the ! -s checks that the file isn't > 0 length

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mazda01:

sphery, why are you telling me to remove all my recordings located in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings?

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sphery:

mazda01: I mean that some recordings are in one dir and others in the other dir... If you touch a file for every recording in one dir, then there's a file for /every/ recording in that dir

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sphery:

and myth won't look for the recording in the dir with the non-zero-size file

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sphery:

i.e. it will use your empty file instead of the real recording

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sphery:

(sometimes--all dependent on many things)

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sphery:

at this point, I'd highly recommend running the find orphans or rebuild database script to make sure things are right after you delete the 0-length files

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mazda01:

sphery, from what I can see. mythweb is now showing all thumbnails and everything appears to be ok. i use mythrename.pl. Do I need to run it against both directories?

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mazda01:

sphery, ok, i'll run the myth.find-orphans.pl now.

[23:38:18]

sphery:

all comes back to: 20090722 14:32:41<+sphery> mazda01: though that's /very/ simplistic as it doesn't take into account any directories or anthing

[23:39:20]

wagnerrp:

what would the reaction be to a number of scripts, web interfaces, and similar code for maintaining two separate mythtv installs?

[23:39:58]

wagnerrp:

my parents want to put a HTPC into their motorhome, and i want to set up an easy way for them to manage what content gets pulled from the main system onto the one in their motorhome

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sphery:

ahhh... I was thinking you meant different versions

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mazda01:

sphery, oh yeah. sorry. so I haev to run mythrename.pl on both directories but 2 the same folder hey?

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wagnerrp:

but i imagine something like that would not be wanted on subversion, due to implications of internet sharing

[23:41:23]

wagnerrp:

basically, one system would have all the data, generate all the recordings

[23:41:39]

meshe:

wagnerrp: are they going to do any recordings in their motorhome?

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sphery:

mazda01: you don't need to run mythrename.pl , but if you do, run it only once--it doesn't take any directory arguments since it's actually written right and understands storage groups. And if you use it, use --link or it will break things.

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mazda01:

sphery, nevermind. I only run mythrename.pl once and define the directory I want the symlink created in because mythrename.pl quires the database and it doesn't matter where the recordings are stored right? YES, I do only use the --link option.

[23:42:19]

wagnerrp:

and the scripts would just be set up such that i could check off what recordings/videos/music i want on the motorhome setup, it would copy over to a removable drive, and create a database dump to insert on the other system

[23:42:20]

sphery:

mazda01: if you mean myth.find_orphans.pl or myth.rebuild_database.pl, they need to be run against dirs since they're broken/legacy/unmaintained scripts that don't understand storage groups

[23:42:42]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I'm sure your lawyer would want to be given a copy

[23:43:02]

wagnerrp:

similar to the 'sync' function between itunes and an ipod

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mazda01:

sphery, I am talking about mythrename.pl to get human readable names to my recordings in case I want to view them outside of a mythtv frontend. but I really don't need to use that anymore since xbmc has a python script that works with mythtv. i could still watch the recordings from windows though this way. i still unfortunately have 1 win xp box around that I need to convert to ubuntu.

[23:45:29]

meshe:

wagnerrp: i've though about something similar in the past going as far as having the system in the vehicle detect that it was in wifi range and request a sync

[23:45:54]

wagnerrp:

meshe: i wouldnt bother having it sync over the network

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wagnerrp:

considering we might have the motorhome at the house twice a year, and syncing multiple GB files over the internet is obviously out of the question

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kormoc:

sync over pidgin?

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iamlindoro:

better than pigeon

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mazda01:

sphery, i did use myth.find-orphans.pl but I am not sure what you mean about running it against directories. I ran it and it showed me this.

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kormoc:

homing pigeon?

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wagnerrp:

this would be removable hard drive only

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wagnerrp:

going to stick hotswap bays on both systems, and just have them pull the drive when they move back and forth

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kormoc:

mirroring raid so it just goes?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, multihoming pigeon, apparently

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pigeon:

koo koo

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: well i cant very well mirror a multi-terabyte array onto a single drive

[23:48:41]

meshe:

i transfer recordings from to to my vacation property by importing them into mythvideo

[23:48:46]

kormoc:

but you can mirror two arrays together ;)

[23:49:06]

kormoc:

a drobo mirror!

[23:49:20]

wagnerrp:

i still need some way to automatically dump/restore the array

[23:49:30]

wagnerrp:

err... database

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mazda01:

what video client do you guys use to watch the protected asx steams? because the version of vlc that I run doesn't work for me.

[23:49:45]

kormoc:

just have it part of mythbackend shutdown!

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wagnerrp:

cant expect them to log into the terminal and do that

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kormoc:

mazda01, we don't

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wagnerrp:

they want something turn-key

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

have the db on the arrays and have them turn off the computer?

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mazda01:

kormoc, no one uses asx streams from mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: well im worried about binary compatibility between the arrays in that case

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wagnerrp:

err... databases

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kormoc:

mazda01, what do you mean protected? Meaning encrypted or password protected?

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wagnerrp:

mazda01: mythtv has no facility for viewing asx streams

[23:51:15]

wagnerrp:

except for maybe a flash player through mythbrowser

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mazda01:

kormoc, because mythweb is password protected. I thought that's what keeps me from viewing my asx streams in vlc. is that not the reason?

[23:51:52]

wagnerrp:

VLC should be able to use those

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kormoc:

it should prompt you for the password

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wagnerrp:

its just a standard HTTP login

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wagnerrp:

not something special written with php or some CGI code

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mazda01:

kormoc, huh? my vlc doesn't do anything. it just sits there?

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kormoc:

is the asx file correct?

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wagnerrp:

i cant say anything about vlc, but i used to stream mythmusic over totem

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wagnerrp:

yeah, turn off logins, and try it

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wagnerrp:

chances are asx stream is just misconfigured and not working

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mazda01:

how do I view a vlc log? where does it get stored because on a different recording I am seeing this: http://img193.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot13x.png

[23:56:24]

kormoc:

when you pick the asx file in mythweb, save it as a file rather then playing it in a player and edit it and see what urls it says, and verify they're correct

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mazda01:

kormoc, how can I tell if asx file is correct? i am just clicking on it in mythweb.

[23:56:39]

mazda01:

wagnerrp, how do I turn off logins off? will that make my mythweb insecure?

[23:56:56]

wagnerrp:

yes, it will make mythweb insecure

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xris:

mazda01: asx is just an xml file with a URL in it.

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wagnerrp:

however i was unaware mythweb enabled protection by default

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iamlindoro:

It doesn;t

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wagnerrp:

i thought that was always something left to (and recommended for) the user

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wagnerrp:

so whatever you did to enable it, just undo

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mazda01:

wagnerrp, i don't know. the asx file is here: http://pastebin.com/f4dbf9c8e

[23:58:24]

wagnerrp:

or if youre at home, do something fancy where any connections from the local domain do not need to be logged in

[23:58:32]

mazda01:

wagnerrp, i secured my mythweb as I don't want people going in and deleting my recordings and whatnot.

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wagnerrp:

as you should have

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wagnerrp:

however no one is going to know it is even there to delete anything

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mazda01:

wagnerrp, I tried that previously but couldn't figure out how to enable not having to login when trying to access mythweb from home.

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iamlindoro:

or "don't expose the port to the world"

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iamlindoro:

ssh tunnel in, use unsecured

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mazda01:

wagnerrp, i have goggled mythweb and found many of unsecured mythweb installations out there.

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