Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, July 21st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

[00:00:20]

at0m (at0m!n=at0m@94-225-90-23.access.telenet.be) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[00:03:33]

Slim-Kimbo (Slim-Kimbo!n=Kimbo@host86-168-176-99.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) has quit ()

[00:03:35]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-98-230-202-207.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[00:03:41]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-98-230-202-207.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:05:48]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I think the worst part of this movie is that it seems like they couldn't decide what type of movie to make: disaster, post-apocolyptic, cop-gone-bad, small-time-sheriff-saves-the-town, ...

[00:07:28]

andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B95C38.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[00:08:51]

wagnerrp:

except i guess in this case, it would be small-time-sheriff-saves-the-world?

[00:09:20]

wagnerrp:

is meteor the movie where the previous had 'gravity inversion', and some train lifted off its tracks and flew into the air?

[00:09:29]

wagnerrp:

s/previous/previews/

[00:11:37]

Traveler6 (Traveler6!n=traveler@adsl-71-133-146-113.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:12:01]

Greek-Boy:

i think i should rather go for just two HD-PVR's as 2 out of my 4 STB's dont have component out.. They just have SCART and composite...

[00:12:05]

mkrufky-gone is now known as mkrufky

[00:12:05]

kormoc:

Quick! Switch it from suck to blow!

[00:12:24]

wagnerrp:

doesnt SCART have a RGB mode?

[00:12:44]

wagnerrp:

erm... nevermind

[00:13:31]

Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: It does but it doesn't do progressive scan

[00:13:38]

Greek-Boy:

thats as far as what i can make out

[00:13:44]

Greek-Boy:

but i'm doing more reading on it

[00:13:48]

mkrufky:

so, here's a strange 'ism that i noticed today ...... if you have two NICs on a backend, and the backend server is bound to the IP on eth1, uPNP gets broken ..... once I boot the machine with the eth0 unplugged, THEN uPNP works again

[00:14:21]

kormoc:

it's likely the upnp route is mis-setup in the boot scripts

[00:14:35]

mkrufky:

239.0.0.0 ?

[00:14:41]

kormoc:

aye

[00:14:43]

mkrufky:

shouldnt it just work to any IP ?

[00:14:47]

wylie (wylie!n=wylie@ip70-190-125-87.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:14:55]

wagnerrp:

mkrufky: you should see all the 'professional' software we have at work where the license server uses a hardware ID that just happens to be the MAC of eth0

[00:14:58]

kormoc:

well, it needs to be attached to the correct ethernet device

[00:15:08]

mkrufky:

hmm ok

[00:15:25]

kormoc:

so if it's attached to eth0, eth1 won't get the upnp requests

[00:15:27]

mkrufky:

luckily i will never be using eth0 on that machine ever again, so now im all set

[00:15:37]

wagnerrp:

if your init system gets confused, and eth0 doesnt exist, the programs dont know what to do

[00:15:44]

mkrufky:

well, it was attached to eth1 and eth1 wouldnt get upnp

[00:15:50]

mkrufky:

nor eth0

[00:15:53]

kormoc:

huh

[00:16:04]

kormoc:

default route was eth1 as well?

[00:16:14]

mkrufky:

er, actually, i saw upnp on the network connected to eth0, but it didnt work

[00:16:32]

mkrufky:

once i changed the default route to eth1 all was fine

[00:16:33]

kormoc:

heh, that'd say it's really confused

[00:16:36]

nighthawk (nighthawk!n=nighthaw@c-24-128-157-168.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:16:51]

mkrufky:

i couldnt disagree with that :-P

[00:17:35]

nighthawk:

Hello, I'm trying to build the svn trunk, and it is failing on mythpainter_vdpau.cpp unable to find vdpau/vdpau.h, though I have the nvidia-graphics-devel packge installed... anyone have insight on this issue?

[00:17:57]

kormoc:

they need to be new enough to have vdpau support

[00:18:15]

nighthawk:

it is, 180.51

[00:18:23]

Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=LedHed@75-151-70-115-Stockton.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[00:18:31]

kormoc:

so make sure you have vdpau.h on your system?

[00:18:54]

nighthawk:

yes: /usr/include/nvidia-graphics-180.51/vdpau/vdpau.h

[00:19:09]

kormoc:

that's unlikely to be a default system include directory...

[00:19:10]

nighthawk:

I'm wondering if it is failing to detect that location?

[00:19:18]

kormoc:

so pass it in as a include path

[00:19:27]

kormoc:

/usr/include/nvidia-graphics-180.51/ that is

[00:19:55]

nighthawk:

do you happen to know where? in the make command or configure?

[00:20:09]

kormoc:

configure I'd believe

[00:20:17]

kormoc:

./configure --help should list it

[00:20:27]

nighthawk:

I should be able to nail it down from there, thanks :-)

[00:21:04]

sphery:

wagnerrp: No, Impact had the gravity inversion. It was actually better than Meteor (though the science in Impact was ludicrous).

[00:21:15]

nighthawk:

though I wonder why the devel package didn't link it to a standard location, all the docs seem to imply it isn't necessary to do anything

[00:21:23]

kormoc:

ludicrous speed!

[00:21:44]

wagnerrp:

they... theyve gone to plaid!

[00:22:03]

at0m (at0m!n=at0m@94-225-90-23.access.telenet.be) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:22:10]

sphery:

actually, I think the science in Spaceballs was actually closer to reality than the science in Impact

[00:22:41]

wagnerrp:

certainly, no one knows exactly what will happen if you go straight to ludicrous speed

[00:23:12]

sphery:

a small fragment from a brown dwarf star embedded itself in the moon, and--everyone knows that brown dwarf stars are made up of extremely dense material--so the moon all of a sudden had more than 2x the mass of the earth...

[00:23:32]

kormoc:

hrm

[00:23:38]

wagnerrp:

because it wouldnt just drag the moon with it into the earth....

[00:23:50]

kormoc:

so it only took affect when it touched the moon and not before?

[00:23:53]

sphery:

of course, since the density of the brown dwarf is a result of its total mass, if you take a fragement from it, it wouldn't have a reason to maintain the same density

[00:24:46]

wagnerrp:

if you chip off a block, it will cease to be degenerate matter?

[00:25:06]

sphery:

kind of like the whole "teaspoon of matter from a [insert color here] dwarf/neutron star" thing they used to always talk about in elementary school science

[00:25:58]

sphery:

you definitely wouldn't have the same gravitational forces overloading the weak force if you only had a small piece

[00:26:00]

wagnerrp:

i mean theyre made out of degenerate matter, its just a pool of subatomic particles, with no definable atoms or nuclei

[00:26:10]

kormoc:

so a brown dwarf is practically a large Jupiter

[00:26:14]

wagnerrp:

what does it become when gravity no longer holds it together

[00:26:34]

wagnerrp:

no, a brown dwarf is somewhere closer to a solar mass

[00:26:49]

wagnerrp:

compressed to about the size of long island

[00:26:52]

sphery:

yeah, large Jupiter/small sun

[00:26:55]

kormoc:

"In addition, many brown dwarfs undergo no fusion; those at the low end of the mass range (under 13 Jupiter masses) are never hot enough to fuse even deuterium, and even those at the high end of the mass range (over 60 Jupiter masses) cool quickly enough that they no longer undergo fusion after some time on the order of 10 million years."

[00:26:56]

sphery:

it's kind of in between

[00:27:21]

sphery:

it's actually about the same radius as Jupiter, though

[00:27:28]

wagnerrp:

ah, smaller than i thought

[00:27:33]

kormoc:

"as it is in white dwarfs; at the low end of the range (1–10 Jupiter masses), their volume is governed primarily by Coulomb pressure, as it is in planets. The net result is that the radii of brown dwarfs vary by only 10–15% over the range of possible masses. This can make distinguishing them from planets difficult."

[00:27:45]

kormoc:

"A remarkable property of brown dwarfs is that they are all roughly the same radius as Jupiter."

[00:27:49]

kormoc:

yeah

[00:28:00]

wagnerrp:

i thought they were much heavier/smaller than that

[00:28:15]

sphery:

the black dwarf, though, is much heavier

[00:28:26]

sphery:

right?

[00:28:41]

sphery:

I think that's what you're thinking of

[00:28:58]

sphery:

guess wagnerrp needs to correct the gamma on his TV. ;)

[00:29:01]

kormoc:

"Since the time required for a white dwarf to reach this state is calculated to be longer than the current age of the universe of 13.7 billion years, no black dwarfs are expected to exist in the universe yet"

[00:29:25]

sphery:

at least they didn't have one of those slamming into the moon

[00:29:26]

kormoc:

they're heaver... in theory, when they exist :)

[00:30:55]

kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_star

[00:31:06]

kormoc:

that's cool, a star so big that light can't escape from itself

[00:31:28]

sphery:

Is that the star by the planet where Dark Crystal took place?

[00:31:38]

kormoc:

could be, could be

[00:32:24]

sphery:

Such objects by modern understanding would be described in more modern terms as black holes.

[00:32:47]

sphery:

Sheesh, kormoc, get out of the 18th century!

[00:33:15]

** kormoc burns sphery at the stake cause he's a witch! **

[00:33:40]

sphery:

But I don't float!

[00:33:57]

kormoc:

so you drowned in the floating test!

[00:34:00]

sphery:

I'm as dense as a brown dwarf.

[00:36:17]

wagnerrp:

ok, im confusing dwarfs with neutron stars, theyre completely different entities

[00:36:22]

Traveler6 (Traveler6!n=traveler@adsl-71-133-146-113.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) has quit ("Java user signed off")

[00:36:59]

awalls (awalls!n=awalls@01-164.155.popsite.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:39:36]

nighthawk (nighthawk!n=nighthaw@c-24-128-157-168.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[00:47:44]

JRipkin (JRipkin!n=JRipkin@3.nat.chi1.etrn.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:48:34]

photon is now known as Guest82724

[00:49:24]

mattano (mattano!n=myth@adsl-240-180-22.msy.bellsouth.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:50:12]

mattano:

i have just installed mythbuntu and i have no sound output i ran alsamixer and it finds C-Media CMI8738 the sliders move, and the mp3 plays but theres nothing coming out the speakers, anyone know what could be going on?

[00:52:29]

photon (photon!n=photon@unaffiliated/photon) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:52:45]

JRipkin:

i sthis channel moderated or is everyone lerking

[00:53:06]

sphery:

lots of people who just hang out here

[00:53:06]

wagnerrp:

yes

[00:53:20]

wagnerrp:

the channel is moderated, the moderators are often not around

[00:53:38]

JRipkin:

yes to the first or second question

[00:53:53]

JRipkin:

ah ok

[00:54:03]

mattano:

i have just installed mythbuntu and i have no sound output i ran alsamixer and it finds C-Media CMI8738 the sliders move, and the mp3 plays but theres nothing coming out the speakers, anyone know what could be going on?

[00:54:06]

JRipkin:

thanx

[00:55:29]

sphery:

mattano: make sure the master and PCM channels are not muted; make sure you've specified appropriate Audio output device and Mixer device in mythfrontend settings; and if you can get sound output from other programs (such as aplay), check the mythfrontend log files/output as it probably has errors saying what the problem is

[00:55:38]

sphery:

my guess is you've specified an invalid mixer device

[00:56:33]

JRipkin:

sphery: do you get audio with normal use?

[00:56:59]

JRipkin:

sorry mattano:

[00:59:11]

mattano:

i dont have any sound output. in mythtv or vlc

[01:00:29]

JRipkin:

mattano: that would point to the sound card config

[01:00:47]

JRipkin:

ie device etc...

[01:01:09]

kormoc:

mattano, could try #ubuntu-mythtv (iirc) or just #ubuntu

[01:01:32]

mattano:

do u know of a guide to setting up soundcards?

[01:02:05]

kormoc:

I bet the ubuntu project has a few

[01:02:05]

discernica (discernica!n=bfleming@70.25.60.94) has quit ("Leaving.")

[01:02:09]

mattano:

ive tried #ubuntu, there too busy talking about bots

[01:02:14]

JRipkin:

not I, I normaly just bang on it till it works

[01:03:08]

mattano:

and still waiting on a responsce in ubuntu-mythtv

[01:03:15]

sphery:

mattano: and--having wasted about 30 minutes this way, myself, I feel you won't mind if I say it--if you happen to have multiple physical sound cards on the system (such as an integrated one and a discrete one) and disabled the integrated one, make sure you plug the output cable into the right sound card

[01:03:55]

mattano:

no, all i have is the intergrated one.

[01:04:25]

JRipkin:

if has saround check the other ports for output

[01:04:39]

Guest82724 (Guest82724!n=photon@unaffiliated/photon) has quit (Connection timed out)

[01:05:24]

mattano:

ive checked that too

[01:05:26]

JRipkin:

surround that is

[01:07:01]

JRipkin:

has anyone played with the HDhomerun boxes?

[01:07:55]

kormoc:

plenty of people have

[01:08:18]

JRipkin:

good bad

[01:08:28]

wagnerrp:

works great, a bit pricey

[01:08:51]

nighthawk (nighthawk!n=nighthaw@c-24-128-157-168.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:09:06]

JRipkin:

trying to keep the number cpu's down but still brake the system up

[01:09:29]

wagnerrp:

why do you want to break up the system?

[01:09:53]

wagnerrp:

you mean break into multiple backends? or split off the frontend from the backend?

[01:10:20]

kormoc:

keep in mind, it only works with OTA or unencrypted QAM

[01:10:44]

JRipkin:

I have a few old servers that I want to use to spred the load out across my network

[01:10:59]

wagnerrp:

what load?

[01:11:06]

kormoc:

there's no cpu usage on HDHR streams practically

[01:11:13]

kormoc:

it's just direct to disk IO transfer

[01:11:24]

wagnerrp:

commflagging isnt that intensive

[01:11:28]

JRipkin:

this is not the only thing that will be on the servers

[01:11:39]

sphery:

and if it's commercial flagging/transcoding you want to spread out, just run mythjobqueue on the other servers when you want

[01:11:47]

wagnerrp:

and unless youre doing considerable transcoding, theres not a lot that the backend needs CPU for

[01:11:53]

kormoc:

so wait

[01:11:55]

sphery:

i.e. you can start/stop mythjobqueue whenever

[01:12:21]

wagnerrp:

yeah, slave backends are only for additional tuners

[01:12:23]

kormoc:

you're gonna have multiple backends to keep the load off of servers doing active things?

[01:12:25]

JRipkin:

let me say the serves i'm talking about are PPRO

[01:12:36]

wagnerrp:

if you want to split processing, you just want to run the jobqueue

[01:12:41]

kormoc:

so toss one as the backend and leave the rest alone?

[01:13:20]

sphery:

and note that there's no reliability benefit to spreading backends out on multiple pieces of hardware

[01:13:37]

sphery:

as we have 2 critical single-points-of-failure in Myth--the mysql database and the master backend

[01:13:38]

wagnerrp:

well there is some

[01:13:47]

wagnerrp:

if the master fails, youre toast

[01:14:06]

wagnerrp:

if a slave fails prior to recording, the master will schedule around it

[01:14:08]

sphery:

(granted, if the MBE goes down, the recordings in progress on the slaves continue until the show ends, but still...)

[01:14:13]

wagnerrp:

(if possible)

[01:14:46]

sphery:

yeah, but the mbe and the mysql server are still two single-points-of-failure

[01:15:33]

sphery:

and setting up a 2nd and 3rd and ... backend doesn't really decrease the chances of the master going down

[01:15:55]

sphery:

but if you have multiple systems, you also have network dependency that you won't with a single backend

[01:15:58]

AndyCap:

mysql replication. :P

[01:16:12]

sphery:

right, can work around that with mysql (if you feel it's worthwhile)

[01:16:24]

sphery:

but, as it's just TV...

[01:16:43]

AndyCap:

of course, if you need five 9's for TV you should seek professional help

[01:16:54]

sphery:

Only reason I have 2 backends is because I couldn't get a PSU that provided clean enough power for all my PCI capture cards and HDD's

[01:17:08]

kormoc:

sphery, pc power and cooling!

[01:17:17]

sphery:

AndyCap: exactly--I only need 4 9's

[01:17:19]

bfleming (bfleming!n=bfleming@TOROON63-1176058974.sdsl.bell.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:17:33]

sphery:

kormoc: I think it was more the power distribution on the mobo

[01:17:59]

sphery:

but it was a /lot/ easier to just add a new backend than to try to make it work

[01:18:26]

Greek-Boy (Greek-Boy!n=greek@41.223.4.33) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[01:19:09]

sphery:

however, since I /am/ considering replacing my backends, I could try for a single backend with 4 (or more) PCI slots for HD-3000's and space for at least 6 HDD's...

[01:19:44]

sphery:

hard part will be finding a mobo with sufficient PCI slots to prevent my having to get all new capture cards

[01:25:02]

mattano (mattano!n=myth@adsl-240-180-22.msy.bellsouth.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[01:25:19]

russK (russK!n=russ@ip24-250-126-141.dc.dc.cox.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[01:25:34]

sphery:

:( max PCI on any AMD AM2/AM2+ mobos at newegg is 3

[01:25:57]

sphery:

seems the max on /any/ mobos as newegg is 3

[01:26:53]

kormoc:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182151

[01:27:03]

kormoc:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186146

[01:28:11]

sphery:

oops... I was in the AMD section when I checked that...

[01:33:34]

Guest63868 (Guest63868!n=David@nat/ti/x-6327acc3216e157f) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[01:36:09]

JRipkin:

question: without having to touch the database on average how large does the database get?

[01:36:23]

sphery:

not large

[01:36:29]

JRipkin:

ok

[01:36:48]

wagnerrp:

any suggestions on a serial terminal emulator? minicom is currently not happy

[01:36:59]

JRipkin:

trying to ball park storage

[01:37:13]

sphery:

JRipkin: # du -sk /srv/mysql/mythconverg/ -> 391900 /srv/mysql/mythconverg/

[01:37:23]

MavT (MavT!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:37:53]

awalls (awalls!n=awalls@01-164.155.popsite.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[01:38:42]

JRipkin:

brb

[01:38:53]

wagnerrp:

nevermind, picocom seems to work fine

[01:43:55]

JRipkin:

ok I must go, but I do want to thank you for the info

[01:44:23]

JRipkin (JRipkin!n=JRipkin@3.nat.chi1.etrn.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Time makes no sense")

[01:44:35]

tank-man (tank-man!i=1000@174.6.38.217) has quit ("Gameover")

[01:45:45]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=scopeukf@cpc2-mfld11-0-0-cust971.nott.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[01:48:14]

sphery:

JRipkin: how large it gets depends on the number of seconds of recorded video... I have 914 recordings in the above and a total of 957.8hrs recorded TV...

[01:49:16]

sphery:

but (since I had to fix the data for the recordings myth.rebuild_database.pl inserted wrong), it took me too long to get that info for you since you're not here

[01:50:20]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=scopeukf@cpc2-mfld11-0-0-cust971.nott.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:50:31]

cornell (cornell!n=cornell@c-76-117-71-212.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:51:13]

cornell:

I'm beginning to think that the S3 Unichrome is just not ... doesn't play well with linux. I'm wondering if it might be easier to just get a card. I've PCI slots open, which I understand are terribly slow, and an AGP. I don't have PCI-express.

[01:51:26]

cornell:

I'm wondering how I can tell which AGP I have, and if anyone has opinions on a decent cheap AGP card.

[01:52:37]

sphery:

assuming you don't want VDPAU, go for an AGP nvidia GF6200

[01:52:49]

cornell:

(The unichrome is onboard the mobo... and my video is stuttering a bit. I don't think the proper drivers got installed. Although I didn't have much difficulty with prevous versions)

[01:53:07]

Shadow__X (Shadow__X!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:53:07]

Shadow__X1 (Shadow__X1!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:53:11]

cornell:

um... I looked up VDPAU... trying to recall it.

[01:53:24]

sphery:

if you want VDPAU, you'll have to go PCI, but a) you'd likely be dependent on VDPAU for HDTV because of the PCI bandwidth and b) software decode ftw!

[01:53:32]

sphery:

(meaning I'd get the 6200)

[01:53:49]

sphery:

it's the nvidia on-GPU decoding

[01:53:54]

cornell:

Ah.

[01:54:28]

sphery:

i.e. you get what nvidia gives you and it only works on some CODECs (though it works on the most-commonly used ones for HDTV resolutions)

[01:54:29]

cornell:

I think think the machine can do decoding... AMD Athlon 3500 with 2G memory

[01:54:39]

sphery:

and, really, it will only work with trunk or when 0.22 is released

[01:54:51]

sphery:

yeah, I'd go for software decode, then

[01:54:52]

cornell:

The VDPAU?

[01:55:03]

sphery:

yeah vdpau is trunk/0.22 only

[01:55:36]

sphery:

unless you use something purporting to be stable, but consisting of tons of backported parts of the unstable development branch

[01:56:06]

cornell:

I don't know.

[01:56:33]

cornell:

Using LinHES (Knoppmyth 6.0), based on archlinux

[01:56:38]

sphery:

if you don't know that you're using the version with backported VDPAU support, you almost definitely arent'

[01:56:47]

cornell:

Cool

[01:56:58]

cornell:

Now, there are what, 3 kinds of AGP?

[01:57:06]

cornell:

How do I tell which one I have?

[01:57:20]

cornell:

Is there a command, or do I have to look at it?

[01:57:31]

sphery:

if it's on that kind of motherboard, it's almost definitely one that will work with a GF6200

[01:57:41]

sphery:

(i.e. a motherboard supporting that recent a CPU)

[01:57:46]

cornell:

K

[01:57:57]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Grap . . . sions_of_AGP

[01:57:59]

jnewt (jnewt!n=jnewt@adsl-75-13-77-227.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:58:02]

cornell:

(Actually, that's why I was surprised I didn't have pci-e

[01:58:03]

cornell:

)

[01:58:48]

sphery:

I'd guess it's a 4x or 8x that's either a universal or dual-keyed AGP (accepting either 3.3V or 1.5V AGP cards)

[01:58:54]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Grap . . . ompatibility

[01:59:15]

cornell:

Yup, found that... That'll do.

[01:59:43]

jnewt:

i just tried to start the frontend for the first time after install, i have a black box, and no mouse. that's it. so i closed it, started the backend setup just for kicks and got X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8. so i checked xorg.0.log and there is nothing jumping out at me, so, where from here.

[02:00:01]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[02:00:19]

cornell:

It's a short and a long, so it's a 3.3 or 1.5, gotta check which end the short's on.

[02:00:43]

jnewt:

ati radeon x1300 vga/svid/dvi card for output, ati all-in-wonder tv tuner card.

[02:01:04]

sphery:

cornell: oh, yeah... it's the cards that are made with dual keys...

[02:01:05]

sphery:

forgot that

[02:01:26]

sphery:

chances are the 6200 will have spaces where the 1.5V and the 3.3V AGP ports have keys

[02:02:07]

cornell:

Ok, the short's away from the back, so thats 1.5

[02:02:15]

sphery:

cornell: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134072 notice the 2 spaces: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . cription=ECS GeForce 6200 N6200A-256DZ Video Card – Retail

[02:02:16]

cornell:

Ah cool, dual is good :-)

[02:02:32]

Shadow__X (Shadow__X!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[02:02:38]

sphery:

oops, that URI likely won't work since brain-dead web developers sent spaces in the URI

[02:02:57]

Shadow__X (Shadow__X!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:03:20]

sphery:

ah... just cuts off the title of the image

[02:03:22]

sphery:

no biggie

[02:03:37]

Shadow__X1 (Shadow__X1!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has quit ("Leaving")

[02:04:53]

jnewt:

did anyone in here successfully install mythtv on a pre-existing system (not a mythbuntu install) and were any with ati cards?

[02:06:11]

** cornell does not understand the infatuation with spaces in any thing other than narratives for humans. Underscore_is_just_as_readable ;-) **

[02:07:08]

** wagnerrp likes the binormous button that allows him to make a space with one of many fingers, rather than the multi-finger keypress needed for the '_' **

[02:07:18]

Shadow__X:

jnewt, believe it or not there are people here who know how to read the manual at mythtv.org

[02:07:19]

wagnerrp:

bah... ginormous

[02:07:20]

cornell:

Wow $36

[02:07:28]

Shadow__X:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/

[02:08:14]

jnewt:

Shadow__X: yes, i believe it, i am one of them, i am re-reading it as i ask for help....believe it or not, some people do read and don't get it to work the first time and require a little help.

[02:08:28]

cornell:

$36 and bad reviews ;-( One fellow complains it's not good for gaming, I'm assuming that gaming is more strenous than tv

[02:08:30]

Shadow__X:

unacceptable

[02:10:06]

sphery:

cornell: yeah, no need for performance on a MythTV video card

[02:15:02]

sphery:

The GF6200 works fine for even a 1080p60 display with Myth

[02:15:02]

cornell:

Cool, thanks, sphery

[02:15:02]

sphery:

you could get a newer card, too, if you can find one in AGP, but TTBOMK, the 6200 is one of the last ones to support AGP

[02:15:02]

wagnerrp:

you can find 7-series AGP, but theyre rather expensive

[02:15:02]

sphery:

the PCI-based ones may have issues with HDTV because of bandwidth (unless you use on-GPU decode)

[02:15:02]

wagnerrp:

and not going to provide anything better than a 6-series

[02:15:02]

sphery:

cornell: oh, and that one I linked has an $8 Mail-in rebate

[02:15:02]

jnewt:

Shadow__X: from the manual it says to run mythtv-setup and you will get a series of choices. this does not occur in my case, only a black box appears, and i get a mythtv: could not connect to socket. where in the manual is this situation covered?

[02:15:02]

wagnerrp:

a PCI card should do 720p, but it wont manage 1080p

[02:15:02]

wagnerrp:

could not connect to what socket?

[02:15:02]

wagnerrp:

post the exact error

[02:15:02]

sphery:

cornell: they also have a Zotac for $33.99, but not free shipping, so even if you don't do the rebate, the ECS is probably cheaper

[02:15:02]

sphery:

I think that ECS is actually the exact same one I'm using

[02:15:02]

Beirdo (Beirdo!n=gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:15:22]

Beirdo (Beirdo!n=gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo) has quit (Success)

[02:15:23]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v Beirdo

[02:15:26]

sphery:

jnewt: could not connect to socket is not an error--it not-so-simply says (but simply means) that your myth was compiled with LIRC support but LIRC isn't running

[02:15:40]

sphery:

jnewt: the lack of a screen is likely because it's segfaulting

[02:52:27]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot

[02:53:09]

jnewt:

sphery: looks like i need a new card if i read correctly, or wait for a fix.

[02:53:22]

cornell:

sphery, you were talking to me about an ATI problem? Or did you mean someone else

[02:53:55]

sphery:

sounds like mario has a patched version in his (repo?): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/myt . . . /comments/75

[02:54:28]

cornell:

Well, sphery, I'm gonna go ahead and get that ECS GeForce 6200.

[02:54:37]

sphery:

I'm guessing he hangs out in #ubuntu-mythtv (superm1, fwiw)--though I'm sure he's rather busy with everything else, so I wouldn't directly ask for help

[02:55:15]

sphery:

I mean ask for help in #ubuntu-mythtv, but don't mention him (but this way if he's the one who helps, you'll know you can trust him)

[02:55:25]

sphery:

cornell: should work fine

[02:55:37]

sphery:

only problem is nvidia may decide to legacy it before long :)

[02:55:56]

sphery:

of course, compared to AMD's legacy schedule, nvidia is being /extremely/ good to us

[02:56:06]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-98-230-202-207.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[02:56:43]

cornell:

Not quite sure what legacy means... no new fixes? Seems it should be old enough that it's bugs have been worked out by now.

[02:58:33]

sphery:

basically just mean that they're likely to remove support for the card from the newest driver releases before long

[02:58:39]

cornell:

As long as the drivers and stuff remain available, I don't much care about legacy or end of life stuff. (on the other half's windows machine, we've office 98. No sense paying for newer junk ;-) )

[02:58:41]

sphery:

then you'll be stuck with old drivers and/or old X

[02:58:53]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=scopeukf@cpc2-mfld11-0-0-cust971.nott.cable.ntl.com) has quit ("ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net")

[02:58:59]

sphery:

yeah, I'm a huge fan of old/tested/reliable hardware

[02:59:04]

cornell:

Well, even so... if I get a year out of it, for uner $30, that'd be good.

[02:59:12]

sphery:

just a pain when you're stuck with proprietary drivers that don't get updated

[02:59:12]

cornell:

Yeah, if it works, don't fix it ;-)

[02:59:38]

cornell:

Anyway, ordered, paid for, awaiting with 'bated breath ;-)

[02:59:43]

cornell:

Thanks much sphery

[02:59:48]

cornell:

TTFN

[02:59:52]

cornell:

Gonna hit the rack

[03:00:24]

sphery:

which is why I'm likely going to switch to ATI once the radeon team gets drivers for some of the new (but old :) ATI cards in really good shape

[03:00:38]

sphery:

hope the card works well for you

[03:00:40]

sphery:

enjoy

[03:08:50]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:08:50]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

[03:11:41]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@jhulst.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[03:13:08]

mkrufky:

sphery: mpeg decoding accel on the radeon agp boards ?

[03:14:00]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@jhulst.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:14:25]

sphery:

I don't care about the GPU accel... Just want stable drivers with good OpenGL support (for OpenGL painter).

[03:15:08]

sphery:

Have you heard anything about mpeg accel on radeon? Only thing I've heard was about XvBA in the proprietary drivers.

[03:15:35]

sphery:

I like software decode, anyway, so I just need the rest of the drivers to come up to speed :)

[03:15:58]

mkrufky:

ah ok

[03:17:11]

nighthawk (nighthawk!n=nighthaw@c-24-128-157-168.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[03:21:39]

EvilBob (EvilBob!n=bobjense@fedora/bobjensen) has joined #MythTV-Users

[03:35:58]

tv402u:

sphery: I am seeing something quite interesting

[03:37:03]

sphery:

tv402u: still having the input-switching problem?

[03:37:22]

tv402u:

I added an ioctl to the SetInputAndFormat call, to check what the input is *before it gets set. Every single time, the ioctl comes back as input "2", but the input myth is setting is "1"

[03:37:49]

tv402u:

change channels again, and again the G ioctl comes back "2" while myth is setting "1"

[03:38:14]

sphery:

strange

[03:38:34]

tv402u:

there are 3 inputs on this card, and the tuner is indeed input 2 (0,1,2)

[03:38:50]

sphery:

you're trying to use S-Video, right?

[03:38:54]

tv402u:

nope

[03:39:00]

sphery:

tuner?

[03:39:02]

tv402u:

yea

[03:39:47]

tv402u:

my little test app always uses input "2" and works fine...i'm a little confused as to a) why myth wants input 1 so badly, and b) how it gets away with it at all

[03:40:11]

tv402u:

if i tell my test app to use input 1, no tuneage

[03:41:26]

bfleming (bfleming!n=bfleming@TOROON63-1176058974.sdsl.bell.ca) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[03:51:10]

jadams (jadams!n=jadams@71.86.73.139) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[03:53:01]

tv402u:

sphery: doh! this is why coding on a 50" is never a wise decisionn

[03:53:43]

tv402u:

i was using the raw input num straight out of the myth tables...it goes through a mapping to the V4L device before the ioctl

[03:55:41]

sphery:

ah... so you were looking at the cardinputid and thinking it was the v4l input number?

[03:56:29]

tv402u:

yea--all this squinting at hte screen I missed the input mapper at the top of hte function, and that the var going to the ioctl was inputNumV4L instead of just inputNum

[03:58:57]

tv402u:

although so far the revelation still isn't fixing anything lol

[04:01:03]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[04:01:08]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:04:00]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@206.248.160.94) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[04:07:06]

jadams (jadams!n=jadams@71.86.73.139) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:07:39]

tv402u:

sphery: success!!

[04:07:46]

sphery:

what was wrong?

[04:08:16]

tv402u:

i think bottom line, the tv402u doesn't like to stop/start streaming inline

[04:08:26]

tv402u:

everything needs reconfigured

[04:08:41]

sphery:

you mean doesn't like sending ioctls when it's streaming?

[04:08:52]

tv402u:

that looked more painful than I wanted to get into as the channel change portion is abstracted from some of the card setup stuff

[04:08:55]

tv402u:

right

[04:09:07]

tv402u:

there is a fix in there that says just that lol

[04:09:24]

tv402u:

but to get around it, they stop streaming, set stuff, and then re-enable

[04:09:38]

sphery:

janneg was saying that it returns EINVAL if we try to change channel while streaming is active and was talking with another dev about options--adding specialized code for the go7007 driver or fixing the go7007 driver

[04:09:47]

tv402u:

right

[04:09:59]

tv402u:

i'd be happy to help w/ the go7007 driver if you guys want

[04:10:03]

tv402u:

as a temp solution

[04:10:14]

tv402u:

instead of the stop/start brackets around the ioctls

[04:10:18]

sphery:

if you want to fix the driver, I'm sure janneg and danielk would love it

[04:10:24]

tv402u:

i just run G ioctls for both the input and mode

[04:10:38]

sphery:

(generally having device-specific code in Myth is considered a last resort)

[04:10:39]

tv402u:

and only send the S ioctls if the existing values differ

[04:10:53]

tv402u:

I can understand that

[04:11:03]

sphery:

think you might be able to fix the driver?

[04:11:18]

tv402u:

imagine my surprise when i opened up the code and saw "go7007 doesn't like to be controlled while streaming. Stop it now and restart after"

[04:11:25]

sphery:

if so, definitely mention it to janneg... He can probably even help you get it pushed upstream

[04:12:00]

tv402u:

i'd be happy to give it a go--i'm pretty comfortable in driverspace, but i'll admit video is definitely not my forte

[04:12:32]

sphery:

well, if you're comfortable in driverspace, you've got a leg up on most people

[04:13:20]

sphery:

glad you have it figured out, and I hope you can get it fixed right so that myth doesn't need any go-specific code

[04:13:24]

Guest66777 (Guest66777!n=David@nat/ti/x-351fc9e4e56ec942) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[04:14:26]

tv402u:

thanks :) I'll take a look tomorrow sometime and see if I can get a handle on either a) why i has to be stop/started or b) why it loses some settings when it is (with a preference for resolving a)

[04:14:41]

sphery:

sounds like a plan

[04:14:47]

tv402u:

in the meantime, if any poor souls come wandering along w/ this issue

[04:14:49]

sphery:

and, thanks in advance for helping :)

[04:15:15]

tv402u:

shortcut is to make it only run sets when things are different

[04:15:19]

tv402u:

no problem

[04:15:31]

tv402u:

ttfn

[04:15:56]

tank-man (tank-man!i=1000@174.6.38.217) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:20:09]

iamlindoro is now known as iamlindoro___

[04:20:30]

iamlindoro___ is now known as iamlindoro

[04:23:25]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, so you've done linux on mac hardware before?

[04:26:33]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, yeah (though not on your particular iteration)-- did you get it???

[04:26:43]

kormoc:

Barely!

[04:26:46]

iamlindoro:

YAY!

[04:27:12]

kormoc:

Got to the ups to pick it up, was told they re-delivered it, had to run back to downtown where they left it sitting on the door step without a signature...

[04:27:14]

** kormoc sighs **

[04:27:15]

sphery:

So, that news clip I saw about a gunman at a UPS facility??? Coincidence, right?

[04:27:21]

** kormoc laughs **

[04:27:23]

iamlindoro:

heh

[04:27:24]

kormoc:

Yes!

[04:27:29]

** kormoc shifty eyes **

[04:27:42]

kormoc:

Although, if the box wasn't there when I got there....

[04:27:45]

iamlindoro:

I am very encouraged that this guy has come along w/ blu ray subtitle support

[04:27:59]

iamlindoro:

although it's (except for one file) ALL ffmpeg patches

[04:28:02]

kormoc:

So I was wondering if I had to keep the EFI or if I could blow it away

[04:28:14]

sphery:

iamlindoro: is he getting it into upstream ffmpeg?

[04:28:53]

iamlindoro:

sphery, he hasn't tried yes

[04:28:58]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, check out rEFIt

[04:29:04]

iamlindoro:

ISTR that's what I used before

[04:29:14]

iamlindoro:

(assuming you want to keep the OS X partition)

[04:29:39]

kormoc:

I don't, but it seems like I need the EFI anyway

[04:30:03]

kormoc:

I figure if I ever want to switch back, might as well just nuke and install OSX

[04:30:22]

iamlindoro:

I only used thatt before, not sure if it is necessary or not, I'm sorry

[04:30:30]

kormoc:

no worries

[04:30:35]

gunni_ (gunni_!n=quassel@xdsl-84-44-134-8.netcologne.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:30:58]

iamlindoro:

I'm really glad you got it, though

[04:31:01]

iamlindoro:

any other toys?

[04:34:14]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Live TV working and upcoming recordings blank = broken capture card setup, yeah?

[04:34:30]

iamlindoro:

(where rules exist and match true)

[04:34:33]

sphery:

generally

[04:35:06]

sphery:

could also be problems with the scheduler's connections to mysql

[04:35:07]

tank-man:

I had that error, bad hard drive corrupted some files

[04:35:29]

kormoc:

nope, just this for now

[04:35:34]

sphery:

but if that were the problem, other connections would likely have problems

[04:35:59]

** iamlindoro waits for the world's slowed SSH tunnel to bring up mythtv-setup at his client's house **

[04:35:59]

sphery:

and, yeah, could be corruption of the recordmatch or recordfind(?) tables

[04:36:04]

iamlindoro:

slowest

[04:36:07]

iamlindoro:

naw, DB looks good

[04:37:03]

sphery:

mythtv-setup over the Internet is painful--even with -O ThemePainter=qt -geometry=800x600

[04:37:35]

iamlindoro:

yeah

[04:37:44]

sphery:

you need to make a new theme Redirect with virtually no art

[04:37:55]

sphery:

then we could do -O Theme=Redirect

[04:38:10]

sphery:

black background, no gradient, no graphics...

[04:38:17]

iamlindoro:

Ah hell

[04:38:18]

sphery:

would that be hard?

[04:38:40]

iamlindoro:

I just deleted his HDHR without making note of the IP... if you leave it FFFFFF will it pick up the only one?

[04:38:46]

sphery:

(not that I'm expecting you to do it--I'm actually considering playing with doing it to see if it's really faster)

[04:38:55]

iamlindoro:

er IP/MAC addy

[04:40:42]

cpg (cpg!n=amahi@c-24-130-63-15.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:41:43]

sphery:

so--not that it matters--it was oldfind I was thinking of. So, recordmatch and oldfind definitely. Probably also oldrecorded.

[04:43:11]

sphery:

just read your response to subtitle guy... should have done that before asking you about his upstream intentions

[04:43:19]

iamlindoro:

HAH

[04:43:23]

iamlindoro:

Wasn't broken setup

[04:43:30]

iamlindoro:

was badly written rules

[04:43:32]

sphery:

what was it?

[04:43:33]

sphery:

oh

[04:43:40]

sphery:

what rules?

[04:43:48]

iamlindoro:

It stopped recording because he set max record = 5 and didn't set the "erase old and record new" toggle

[04:43:55]

sphery:

This guy doesn't have a 41L water tank under his TV, does he?

[04:43:58]

iamlindoro:

so he maxed out at 5 of each rule

[04:44:01]

sphery:

Oh...

[04:44:02]

sphery:

I see.

[04:44:56]

Shadow__X:

so when i open up mythfrontend non of the menus have text but i cant install the newest ati driver because my card is a x1400

[04:45:10]

Shadow__X:

i cant use catalyst 9.3 because i am on xorg 1.6

[04:45:13]

Shadow__X:

damn ati

[04:46:15]

sphery:

Shadow__X: export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 ; mythfrontend

[04:46:21]

gunni (gunni!n=quassel@xdsl-213-196-230-164.netcologne.de) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[04:46:26]

sphery:

Shadow__X: or was it export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 ; mythfrontend

[04:46:31]

sphery:

one of the 2 should fix it

[04:46:37]

sphery:

the other fixes the segfault

[04:47:37]

sphery:

we should create a wiki page: Crazy Environment Variables You Have To Set For The ATI Drivers

[04:48:17]

Shadow__X:

sphery, it ws the secound one

[04:48:22]

Shadow__X:

:)

[04:48:24]

Shadow__X:

yeah

[04:48:27]

sphery:

cool

[04:48:33]

sphery:

I never can keep them straight

[04:48:40]

sphery:

makes sense, though

[04:48:54]

cpg:

hi all, i just set up mytthv and i only get 7 channels of schedulesdirect data (according to the output of mythfilldb), out of a cable lineup of dozens and dozens of channels .... any ideas on how to debug that?

[04:49:00]

Shadow__X:

i thought i would run an os i enjoy before i have to send my laptop back again

[04:49:45]

sphery:

cpg: let me guess the 7 channels you get are analog channels and the dozens and dozens that aren't in there are digital channels

[04:49:54]

sphery:

7 you get in myth that is

[04:50:27]

sphery:

you have to explicitly tell Myth to add digital channels to the DB since they're almost always unusable without a scan

[04:50:37]

sphery:

i.e. only with firewire can they be added without scanning for channels

[04:50:47]

cpg:

hmm

[04:50:53]

cpg:

they are weird channels

[04:50:56]

cpg:

never heard of them

[04:51:03]

cpg:

not sure if they are analog

[04:51:20]

sphery:

tell us how you're getting your TV

[04:51:21]

cpg:

i have an hdhomerun that works otherwise well with other dvr software

[04:51:31]

cpg:

i am switching out of eyetv on the mac to mythtv

[04:51:37]

cpg:

comcast cable

[04:51:43]

sphery:

OK. For HDHomeRun, you can get the unencrypted QAM channels

[04:51:50]

cpg:

split and put into the two channels of the hdhomerun

[04:52:22]

sphery:

To get channels into Myth, you'll need to do a channel scan

[04:52:25]

cpg:

works well with eyetv. can tape letter & conan at the same time, in hd, no prob

[04:52:33]

cpg:

i did a channel scan

[04:52:34]

sphery:

However, comcast seems to be rolling out SCTE channels

[04:52:41]

cpg:

then fetch from listings source

[04:52:46]

sphery:

which myth's channel scanner won't pick up

[04:53:02]

cpg:

hmm, did not follow that sphery

[04:53:05]

sphery:

others could tell you more about how to find out if you have SCTE

[04:53:19]

sphery:

and how to scan for channels (using some app scte65scan or something)

[04:54:08]

cpg:

this *used* to work well two versions of mythtv ago

[04:54:12]

cpg:

hmm

[04:54:41]

sphery:

Hmmm... That's annoying as can be. None of the 200 messages in the scte65scan threads show up with a search for scte

[04:55:10]

sphery:

cpg: I recommend reading (the /entire/ thread at): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/382657#382657

[04:55:22]

iamlindoro:

wiki page

[04:55:23]

sphery:

or waiting 'til you can find someone who knows a thing or two about scte

[04:55:41]

jnewt:

hehe i got myth up and running, however, a click on "Watch TV" doesn't do anything, i told it to use my ati tv tuner card, which it recognized, but no go, how to track down the problem?

[04:55:55]

sphery:

why doesn't scte get you to the wiki page???

[04:55:59]

sphery:

stupid search capabilities

[04:56:06]

iamlindoro:

scte65scan

[04:56:17]

sphery:

yeah

[04:56:20]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan

[04:56:32]

cpg:

i am basing my info on this line (and the fact that there are "no data" entries for mot channels in myweb

[04:56:32]

cpg:

2009-07–20 21:48:46.218 Data refresh needed because only 0 out of 7 channels have at least one program listed for day @ offset 13 from 8PM – midnight. Previous day had 7 channels with data in that time period.

[04:57:32]

cpg:

thanks sphery will read both things

[04:58:02]

sphery:

iamlindoro: is there a good/easy way to find out if you need scte65scan?

[04:58:13]

iamlindoro:

you never *need* it

[04:58:18]

iamlindoro:

you just may *want* it

[04:58:33]

iamlindoro:

myth's channel scanner should find everything there is to find (minus any bugs with it)

[04:58:39]

sphery:

oh

[04:58:41]

cpg:

quick q: should i use qam-256 or the other lower one (qam-32?). is that a factor in this picture?

[04:58:45]

iamlindoro:

but if comcast is shutting off analog in your area and handing out DTAs, you can use it

[04:59:00]

sphery:

so if he's missing channels, it's something else

[04:59:21]

iamlindoro:

probably (like wrong modulation)

[04:59:29]

sphery:

possibly

[04:59:32]

iamlindoro:

if one can use scte65scan, I advise doing so

[04:59:47]

iamlindoro:

as having correct channel mappings is a godsend

[04:59:59]

sphery:

doesn't the HDHR require flipping the quick-tune switch for scanning?

[05:00:13]

sphery:

(or some other setting/timeout?)

[05:00:19]

iamlindoro:

I don't know, TBH, I have scanned with it at default settings (but ooly fr consulting work, not in heavy use myself)

[05:00:21]

sphery:

was thinking it had a special case thing

[05:00:45]

cpg:

biab

[05:00:47]

iamlindoro:

dunno

[05:00:58]

cpg:

(reading those links in my laptop .... thanks much!)

[05:01:25]

sphery:

iamlindoro: so, the scte65scan util just gives better names/channel numbers than the regular scanner?

[05:02:01]

iamlindoro:

sphery, yeah, making XMLTVid mapping work OOTB with MFDB

[05:02:11]

sphery:

ahhh

[05:02:13]

iamlindoro:

ie insert the channel data, run MFDB, done

[05:02:24]

sphery:

and, now that you said that...

[05:02:26]

iamlindoro:

the channel names and numbers being correct are secondary IMHO

[05:02:48]

sphery:

cpg: I'll bet the real problem is that you failed to set the xmltvid for your newly-found channels after doing the channel scan

[05:03:08]

sphery:

cpg: so, if scte65scan sets it up so you don't need to, that's still a good approach

[05:04:11]

Shadow__X:

i get parse_cds:734 fatal cds too big noncomplian datastream when i run scte65scan

[05:04:47]

sphery:

since he said he only has 7 channels, but based that on mfdb's output (saying 0 of 7 channels), it's likely he has many more channels, but none of the rest have xmltvid's (mfdb was only able to match up 7 names with the lineup)

[05:04:58]

iamlindoro:

I told you over a month ago to contact the author

[05:05:04]

iamlindoro:

if you haven't then you don't get to complain

[05:05:07]

iamlindoro:

not even a little

[05:05:13]

iamlindoro:

no even just the tip, just to see how it feels

[05:05:19]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, :)

[05:05:27]

Shadow__X:

i agree but how do i email him

[05:05:37]

Shadow__X:

off the page or use the mailing list

[05:05:42]

sphery:

Yeah, I think CD's go up to 700MB. So 734 /is/ too big

[05:05:48]

sphery:

^^^ joke

[05:05:58]

iamlindoro:

erm... his e-mail is public on the list...

[05:06:01]

iamlindoro:

just e-mail HIM

[05:06:08]

iamlindoro:

like in the 80s, numbskul

[05:06:12]

iamlindoro:

l

[05:06:28]

Shadow__X:

:)

[05:10:51]

Typosu (Typosu!n=moose@S010600195b863efb.ed.shawcable.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[05:20:25]

aloril (aloril!n=aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[05:21:18]

lastent (lastent!n=roman@190.222.122.201) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:22:03]

lastent:

hi, I need help setting my media center, I have many shows already on my pc? can I add them to my library?

[05:22:18]

wagnerrp:

mythvideo

[05:23:31]

kormoc:

so the answer is yes, with mythvideo

[05:24:04]

iamlindoro:

Or alternately, if you want them to show up with your new recordings, and you don't mind entering a LOT of metadata, myth.rebuild_database.pl will add them

[05:24:05]

aloril (aloril!n=aloril@84.249.126.153) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:24:15]

wagnerrp:

well im not sure how to answer his first question

[05:24:42]

wagnerrp:

i guess he would have to give us file access for that one

[05:24:46]

iamlindoro:

or if they'renamed something sane (Lost 3x01.mpg) then Mythvideo will be able to look up the metadata in the forthcoming MythTV .22

[05:25:06]

lastent:

thanks

[05:25:25]

iamlindoro:

At least, assuming the patch to make it do so makes it in

[05:26:05]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, i will make sure of it

[05:26:17]

iamlindoro:

Heh, what do you know that I don't?

[05:26:23]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, it should make it

[05:26:33]

iamlindoro:

I've pestered enough that I think so

[05:33:30]

the-herby (the-herby!n=teh-herb@p5496C054.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[05:34:34]

the-herby (the-herby!n=teh-herb@p5496ECB0.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:43:16]

lastent (lastent!n=roman@190.222.122.201) has quit ("Saliendo")

[05:46:36]

tank-man (tank-man!i=1000@174.6.38.217) has quit ("Gameover")

[05:48:11]

pizzledizzle (pizzledizzle!n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[05:50:00]

tank-man (tank-man!i=1000@174.6.38.217) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:54:13]

XChatMav (XChatMav!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:57:31]

califdreas (califdreas!n=andreas@netblock-68-183-201-38.dslextreme.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[05:59:36]

pizzledizzle (pizzledizzle!n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:11:21]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[06:11:38]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:18:37]

XChatMav (XChatMav!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[06:43:48]

the-herby (the-herby!n=teh-herb@p5496ECB0.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[06:45:30]

KraMer (KraMer!n=mark@adsl-70-240-204-164.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[06:57:00]

shackles (shackles!n=user@adsl-99-144-167-198.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[07:25:17]

squish102 (squish102!n=squish10@cpe-075-176-065-107.carolina.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[07:30:48]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@excalibur.csse.unimelb.edu.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[07:35:43]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has left #mythtv-users ("http://www.seagl.org")

[08:03:37]

Shadow__X (Shadow__X!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[08:04:01]

Shadow__X (Shadow__X!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:12:35]

FR^2 (FR^2!n=frzwo@frquadrat.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:17:13]

cdpuk (cdpuk!n=chris@cdpuk.cdp.me.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:27:00]

olesalscheider (olesalscheider!n=desktop@78.34.99.160) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:32:02]

pizzledizzle (pizzledizzle!n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has quit ()

[08:44:54]

Shadow__X (Shadow__X!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[08:45:19]

Shadow__X (Shadow__X!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:47:07]

nasha (nasha!n=nasha@203.171.67.49.static.rev.aanet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:48:00]

nasha:

Hello everyone :)

[08:48:27]

nasha:

Having trouble installing a HVR2200 under Mythbuntu 9.04, wondering if anyone can offer some help?

[08:50:43]

nasha (nasha!n=nasha@203.171.67.49.static.rev.aanet.com.au) has quit (Client Quit)

[08:56:54]

Pebby (Pebby!n=pebby@c-24-5-47-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[09:09:04]

hashbang (hashbang!n=nosuch@cse-ajb.cse.bris.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:22:13]

_tux (_tux!n=Miranda@mnch-4d043143.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:23:03]

nasha (nasha!n=nasha@203.171.67.49.static.rev.aanet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:23:36]

nasha:

Hello all. I'm having some problems setting up a new Hauppauge HVR2200, would anybody be able to offer some assistance?

[09:25:44]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc1-derb9-0-0-cust559.leic.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:25:44]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee

[09:31:03]

XChatMav (XChatMav!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:36:47]

lee__ (lee__!n=lee@87-194-128-148.bethere.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:38:17]

lee__:

hello chaps, i can seem to google my problem: i want mythtv to jump straight to live tv when i run it. any suggestions?

[09:39:12]

cpg (cpg!n=amahi@c-24-130-63-15.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ()

[09:46:20]

MavT (MavT!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[09:46:28]

MavT (MavT!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:48:56]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@ppp118-208-244-171.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:49:04]

nasha:

lee__: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /176122.html

[09:49:21]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[09:49:30]

nasha:

About halfway down there appears to be a solution. First result from a google search ;)

[10:03:58]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp118-208-201-25.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:39:39]

juski:

live tv? lol. you 20th century people are funny

[10:40:32]

lee__:

nasha: thanks for that, i must suck at google

[10:40:56]

lee__:

nasha: it's got me in the right direction but i'm not sure my approach is the right one, what do you think? (mythfrontend &);(sleep 2 ; echo jump livetv | telnet localhost 6546 &)

[10:41:01]

juski:

you could just use the 'mythtv' command with no arguments

[10:41:12]

juski:

that'll always take you right into live tv

[10:41:38]

juski:

though when you quit that it'll exit :-P

[10:41:49]

juski:

but that'd serve you right for wanting live tv

[10:42:28]

nasha:

id have to agree :P

[10:42:31]

lee__:

juski: lol, i've been running myth from gnome do so it's starting mythfrontend by default,

[10:42:42]

lee__:

didn't realise there was a mythtv command

[10:42:52]

lee__:

that solves my problem

[10:43:12]

juski:

yeah but when you quit it won't take you to a menu

[10:43:53]

lee__:

which is perfect

[10:44:17]

nasha:

care to assist me with my problem juski? heheh

[10:44:34]

juski:

why even use mythtv if you just want to *watch* ?

[10:44:35]

lee__:

thanks for the help guys

[10:44:47]

lee__:

juski: i don't watch live tv, my gf does

[10:44:51]

lee__:

she doesn't need all the menus

[10:44:53]

juski:

get a new gf

[10:45:40]

juski:

then again I'm trying to get my wife weaned off everything ITV put out

[10:45:47]

juski:

not going well so far

[10:46:01]

lee__:

lol, if your wife watched itv then you've got more problems than me mate :P

[10:46:06]

lee__:

watches*

[10:46:48]

lee__:

but i cant really talk, my gf watches all of the big brothers including the spinoff shows

[10:46:51]

lee__:

fml

[10:46:52]

juski:

starting to need multi-user security features so she can't disable timestretch

[10:50:04]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[10:50:07]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:53:14]

l3v0n (l3v0n!n=l3v0n@p54BD4D31.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[11:02:11]

lee__ (lee__!n=lee@87-194-128-148.bethere.co.uk) has quit ("Lost terminal")

[11:10:45]

Defense|Twin (Defense|Twin!n=jepz@e177235047.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:11:48]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp118-208-201-25.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) has quit ("Leaving...")

[11:16:25]

Inteligent (Inteligent!n=Full@e180026207.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:25:33]

anykey_:

juski: any news from variable button width land?

[11:26:23]

Inteligent (Inteligent!n=Full@e180026207.adsl.alicedsl.de) has quit ()

[11:32:03]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[11:32:06]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:38:21]

Loto_ (Loto_!n=ctrlprox@S01060012171a84e3.no.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:42:32]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:44:08]

Konvo_2221 (Konvo_2221!n=Konvo@138.239.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:45:10]

Konvo_2221:

Hi All. Does anyone know of a URL for how to setup twin-tuner picture-in-picture linux mythtv ?

[11:46:39]

squish102 (squish102!n=squish10@cpe-075-176-065-107.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:50:47]

Loto (Loto!n=ctrlprox@xbmc/user/Loto) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[11:51:54]

sivchand (sivchand!n=sivchand@121.246.154.93) has left #mythtv-users ()

[11:52:37]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=scopeukf@cpc2-mfld11-0-0-cust971.nott.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:59:30]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:02:32]

juski:

anykey_: nope. still needs a grown-up to look at it

[12:02:51]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[12:07:02]

jnewt (jnewt!n=jnewt@adsl-75-13-77-227.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[12:07:23]

gfoot (gfoot!n=gfoot@gfoot.homeip.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:08:13]

gfoot:

Hey, can anyone give me some hints on transcoding the raw .mpg files manually?

[12:08:19]

juski:

anykey_: bottom line is, nobody with the know-how has the time to help.

[12:08:51]

juski:

ffmpeg ftw, gfoot

[12:09:17]

gfoot:

Do I need to know what codec the files are already in?

[12:09:23]

gfoot:

'file' wasn't helpul

[12:09:29]

juski:

it should autodetect

[12:09:39]

juski:

chances are it'd be mpeg2

[12:09:40]

anykey_:

juski: bad luck then :(

[12:10:12]

gfoot:

hmm ok, I'll give it a go – I was trying to use 'transcode', which itsel leans on ffmpeg. I'm not sure what the difference is

[12:10:14]

juski:

anykey_: I was thinking about asking on the -dev list last night but fear the replies

[12:10:35]

Dave123:

hi all, does mytharchive work with mjpegtools versions >=1.9.0? I heard there were issues at one point

[12:10:35]

anykey_:

it may worth a try...

[12:11:13]

juski:

anykey_: well don't blame me if the responses put me off ever trying to do anything again

[12:13:34]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@97.66.21.169) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:13:49]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:13:50]

juski:

yes,I too find my lack of faith disturbing ;)

[12:13:58]

Dave123-road (Dave123-road!n=dave@cpe-74-69-108-236.rochester.res.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[12:15:24]

Scopeuk:

juski school of hard knocks does that to you

[12:16:02]

juski:

come to think about it,have I even posted to -dev since *that* incident? don't think I have

[12:16:50]

** Scopeuk doesent post if you cant hand optimise asm and dont understand the inner workings of an open gl rendering system your not welcome **

[12:17:38]

laga:

english – do you speak it?

[12:18:00]

MavT (MavT!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[12:18:04]

Scopeuk:

sorry i'm a windgy little git i'll be quiet

[12:18:39]

juski:

what happens when you try to run before you can walk :)

[12:19:19]

juski:

besides I think there's probably a fair bit more to the problem than I thought

[12:20:38]

nasha:

Hi everyone, having some problems setting up a new HVR2200, just wondering if someone could lend a hand?

[12:27:10]

nasha (nasha!n=nasha@203.171.67.49.static.rev.aanet.com.au) has quit ("Leaving")

[12:46:54]

Kevin` (Kevin`!n=kevin@rrcs-67-52-47-69.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:47:05]

Kevin`:

is there a channel somewhere for lirc?

[12:48:11]

olesalscheider_ (olesalscheider_!n=desktop@xdsl-78-34-244-39.netcologne.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:03:05]

olesalscheider (olesalscheider!n=desktop@78.34.99.160) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[13:03:37]

psipsi (psipsi!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[13:04:03]

psipsi (psipsi!n=psipsi@rrcs-71-42-17-155.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:11:04]

juski:

#lirc ?

[13:12:04]

Kevin`:

mm, looks a bit sparse, but it does exist, wonder how I missed it

[13:12:09]

Kevin`:

i'll try on oftc too

[13:12:29]

Kevin`:

nope

[13:17:30]

gbee:

juski: can't you remember what we proposed instead of video sources?

[13:18:48]

gbee:

oh and reading back, please ask on the -dev list, I want to see this feature as much as anyone else so I'll have your back

[13:19:00]

gbee:

s/can't/can/

[13:19:52]

mat1t (mat1t!n=mat@78-86-71-49.zone2.bethere.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:20:18]

GreyFoxx:

which feature ? Multiuser ?

[13:20:37]

gbee:

the auto-sized list buttons

[13:20:41]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[13:21:12]

GreyFoxx:

I'm putting a FE in my daughters bedroom soon. so now my wife is asking me about restricting her from wwatching TV in the middle of the night heh

[13:22:06]

juski:

gbee: no I can't remember what was eventually said. All that was left in my memory was the bad taste of the acrimony in the thread unfortunately

[13:23:07]

juski:

and yeah I'll have a punt on -dev to see if anybody can lend a hand. it's a need as much as a want really, if mythui is to realise its potential in terms of flexibility :)

[13:23:19]

gbee:

if I wasn't already having to deal with those features I started but haven't finished then I'd have the energy to look at it, because lets be honest now, I have the time or I wouldn't be in this channel right now, but I'm mentally tired of mythui right now and I can't bring myself to add more work to the pile

[13:23:45]

sid3windr:

GreyFoxx: iptables+cron ? :>

[13:23:47]

juski:

gbee: you don't have to justify it :)

[13:24:06]

Essobi_ (Essobi_!n=Essobi@96-28-65-2.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:24:36]

juski:

gbee: I thought I'd been careful not to moan. You do, and have done more than enough

[13:24:45]

Essobi_:

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Mornings are fun.

[13:25:12]

juski:

and if devs are too busy/unmotivated to help newbie coders, it's sad but just says to me we need more helping hands

[13:27:20]

gbee:

juski: I agree completely, we need more devs

[13:27:49]

juski:

devs/experienced people who can help others implement their ideas :)

[13:28:33]

** mzb pokes one of his eyes out **

[13:28:34]

juski:

I know a few people 'who can code' & they all look at stuff I've touched & go "ruh?"

[13:29:17]

juski:

bloody C#, java & VB guys :)

[13:29:40]

_tux (_tux!n=Miranda@mnch-4d043143.pool.mediaWays.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[13:29:43]

Essobi_:

hehehe.

[13:30:42]

RDV_Linux (RDV_Linux!n=doug@CPE001195554bb4-CM00111a59bd9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit ("Leaving.")

[13:31:02]

Essobi (Essobi!n=Essobi@96-28-65-2.dhcp.insightbb.com) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[13:34:02]

RDV_Linux (RDV_Linux!n=doug@CPE001195554bb4-CM00111a59bd9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:34:08]

iamlindoro:

wtf is wrong with that guy?

[13:34:28]

iamlindoro:

don't do drugs, kids

[13:35:21]

wombo:

lol

[13:35:35]

wombo:

yah he is have tooo much fun in the morning

[13:39:37]

Essobi_:

M$ got 20K lines of coded commited to the Linux Kernel... pretty sure that's a sign of the apocalypse.

[13:39:54]

wombo:

no they didnt

[13:40:00]

Essobi_ is now known as Essobi

[13:40:28]

mzb:

that feeling of joy is over then?

[13:40:29]

wombo:

they open source a component of their software into their own OS software repository

[13:40:47]

GreyFoxx:

sid3windr: Actually I was thinking of a custom XScreensaver to show a "offline til tomorrow" screen unless you know the password

[13:40:55]

GreyFoxx:

and auto start/kill it with a cron

[13:40:56]

wombo:

they did it because they want it to become part of ESX

[13:41:00]

sid3windr:

heheh

[13:41:12]

sid3windr:

just mod the frontend man

[13:41:14]

wombo:

this will then allow windows to run better in ESX, so less people move to Linux

[13:41:25]

sid3windr:

"could not connect to the backend... could this be because you're SUPPOSED TO BE ASLEEP?!"

[13:41:31]

gbee:

actually the version I read was all back to front, headline read they GPL's 20K lines of the WINDOWS kernel, then went on to talk about two linux drivers and the contribution to the linux kernel ... so I'm no closer to understanding what did just happen

[13:41:35]

GreyFoxx:

sid3windr: The screensaver I could do in about 3 minutes :)

[13:41:38]

sid3windr:

:>

[13:41:50]

Essobi:

wombo: Microsoft said. "The code, which includes three Linux device drivers, has been submitted to the Linux kernel community for inclusion in the Linux tree."

[13:41:50]

GreyFoxx:

incouding a custom GO TO BED image/text :)

[13:41:59]

Essobi:

I'm sorry.. correction.. they submitted it for inclusion.

[13:42:05]

mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-gone

[13:42:35]

gbee:

20K lines isn't really that much

[13:42:48]

wombo:

but there will be an arguement similar to the one currently happening with the VIA code that has also been submitted

[13:43:23]

iamlindoro:

/usr/share/mythtv/themes/Graphite# cat *.xml|wc -l 10262

[13:44:16]

iamlindoro:

more than I thought it'd be :)

[13:45:56]

mzb:

GreyFoxx, or OSD with "I'm sleepy, shutting down now" run from contab?

[13:46:43]

Essobi:

wombo: Umm.. I read it was so HyperVs performace running linux was better, I'm told.

[13:47:21]

wombo:

the point is the same

[13:47:40]

wombo:

they are only doing it to help the sales of their OS, not for the benefit of the community

[13:47:51]

gbee:

so why aren't the patches to the virtualisation apps then? :)

[13:47:59]

wombo:

the same reason why VIA have OSed their DRM code

[13:48:00]

Essobi:

wombo: well duh..

[13:48:20]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[13:48:34]

Essobi:

wombo: When has M$ ever done anything for anyone else, that didn't benefit themselves? heh..

[13:49:01]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@72-48-75-59.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[13:49:20]

wombo:

Probably the same time someone came on this channel that wasnt under the influence

[13:49:35]

gbee:

ouch

[13:49:53]

AndyCap:

gbee: because cooperative virtualization is better. :-P vmware does the same thing, and iirc they've even opensourced the code, not sure how much is upstream

[13:50:34]

Essobi:

wombo: BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN DAAAAAAAAAAAAZED AND CONFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSED...

[13:51:17]

** mzb pokes out his remaining eye **

[13:51:38]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc1-derb9-0-0-cust559.leic.cable.ntl.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Left")

[13:51:47]

Essobi:

Warning: Do not look into lazer with remaining eye.

[13:54:28]

iamlindoro:

Well that's just what we need, another dustybin/clever

[13:58:32]

clever:

lol

[14:00:26]

mzb:

I don't think I have enough remaining sensory organs to approach that combination

[14:02:55]

stoth (stoth!n=stoth@ool-18bfe0d5.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:05:13]

mat1t (mat1t!n=mat@78-86-71-49.zone2.bethere.co.uk) has quit ("Leaving")

[14:07:18]

mzb:

for anyone interested, getting a cheap 2nd-hand wiimote (not a copy) and a single-station charger from (say) dx gives an excellent remote for general use.

[14:07:36]

mzb:

love the rew/ff with "twist"

[14:07:59]

iamlindoro:

need MOAR BUTTONS, myself

[14:08:16]

mzb:

yeah, I have MY remote for that ;)

[14:08:19]

iamlindoro:

but have seen a demonstration of the gyro stuff and it's cool

[14:08:33]

juski:

gyromotes? Pah. LMCE can keep em

[14:09:05]

** iamlindoro thinks LMCE is not long for this world **

[14:09:48]

iamlindoro:

They have limped along for a while, but are getting more and more behind mythwise

[14:10:00]

iamlindoro:

And without myth, they're just some X10 software

[14:10:52]

sphery:

iamlindoro: did kormoc actually commit a patch to fix http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/389531#389531 for you?

[14:11:01]

sphery:

(we were talking about it on Jul 7)

[14:11:10]

iamlindoro:

sphery, don't think so

[14:11:27]

iamlindoro:

he implied it was fixable (and even easy) but did not do so

[14:11:49]

sphery:

kormoc just doesn't 'get' FOSS

[14:12:02]

iamlindoro:

at least now he's "got" a computer :)

[14:12:13]

sphery:

What part of "When a user complains, you need to immediately fix issues for him" doesn't he understand?

[14:12:37]

sphery:

just wondering... I was going to point the users in the right direction

[14:12:57]

iamlindoro:

yeah, I'll mention it to him again when it seems he's got a Myth system up and running again

[14:13:16]

iamlindoro:

for the meantime I have just changed my SSH tunnel to do 80->80 directly

[14:13:22]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@rrcs-97-77-45-90.sw.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:13:31]

sphery:

I'm sending a ref to the IRC logs to the list, so maybe someone will do up a patch for him.

[14:17:00]

sphery:

iamlindoro: you gonna respond to Postoupit: MythTube?

[14:17:37]

sphery:

with info about its requiring trunk and the current state of the plugin (broken/won't compile/whatever)?

[14:17:59]

sphery:

Then after that, will you convert MythWeb to Python?

[14:18:41]

iamlindoro:

yes. After all, I "get" FOSS

[14:19:53]

wombo:

sphery, I was thinking about using ASP.NET

[14:20:08]

wombo:

nice MS are going all Open Sourcey

[14:22:05]

sphery:

Yeah, what with their releasing 20K of source code under GPL for the Linux kernel

[14:22:14]

juski:

I thought that thing was just about them using OSS rather than directx for audio

[14:22:58]

wombo:

I heard they are considering changing the internals of windows out for a *nix base

[14:23:02]

jgarvey (jgarvey!n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-065-013.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:23:08]

sphery:

the same Linux kernel that they're suing TomTom and (company that makes the Buffalo NAS) and ... for using due to the patents that MS claims it violates (without ever actually referencing any patents or code that violates those patents)

[14:23:48]

wombo:

hey actually on that note has anyone used the Buffalo NAS?

[14:23:49]

sphery:

juski: my understanding was they released a bunch of code that would make the Linux kernel run better in a virtualized environment with Windows as a host OS

[14:24:40]

wombo:

yeah

[14:25:53]

sphery:

wombo: from what I understand it has some issues that make it not ideal (but usable) for Myth... IIRC, it's ext3, so you have to enable slow deletes in Myth (open/unlink/truncate), but for some reason the server doesn't properly clean up the silly-renamed files, so you end up with an orphaned <4MB file for every recording you delete

[14:26:32]

wombo:

nah its for a customer at work

[14:26:59]

wombo:

they have filled up a plant historian that is sitting out on an offshore rig

[14:27:32]

wombo:

we are planning to put a new server in with a SAN at the end of the year but we need something to get them by till then

[14:28:03]

wombo:

and it will be an plant operator plugging it in for us so it cant be really complicated.

[14:28:06]

sphery:

In the beginning, there was a seed. Then the seed was put into fertile soil and given adequate water. Before long, it sprouted. Then, it continued to grow...

[14:28:16]

sphery:

How much space would it take to write the history of a plant?

[14:28:24]

wombo:

haha

[14:28:37]

wombo:

plant = offshore platform sorry

[14:28:46]

sphery:

yeah, just a bad joke

[14:28:51]

wombo:

lol

[14:29:45]

sphery:

well, if nothing else, you would know that now the Buffalo NAS is licensed for use by MS

[14:29:51]

sphery:

and what more could you want? :)

[14:29:54]

wombo:

lol

[14:30:01]

wombo:

done, where do I sign

[14:30:07]

gbutters (gbutters!n=gbutters@ip68-227-148-72.no.no.cox.net) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[14:32:35]

gbutters (gbutters!n=gbutters@ip68-227-148-72.no.no.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:34:43]

dwax (dwax!n=dweather@206.83.81.179.ptr.us.xo.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[14:41:10]

juski:

whee my cat5 audio tx is working at last :D

[14:45:04]

davidm1 (davidm1!n=David@nat/ti/x-155cda9be0cf31a4) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:45:04]

Scopeuk:

havent you been working on that months?

[14:45:48]

Scopeuk:

you go balanced juski? or run it straight through

[14:46:36]

AndyCap:

VoIP!

[14:47:01]

Scopeuk:

*roll eyes*

[14:47:56]

** FR^2 watches the rolling eyes. **

[14:48:08]

Scopeuk:

*keeps rolling*

[14:48:09]

wombo:

Wombo lasers the rolling eyes

[14:48:20]

Scopeuk:

ahghghgh my eyes

[14:48:40]

juski:

balanced, of course

[14:48:41]

** mzb begins to regret poking his out **

[14:48:58]

Scopeuk:

juski good man

[14:49:04]

juski:

otherwise I'd just be putting phono plugs on cat5 cable

[14:49:25]

Scopeuk:

was intending on doing something similar for long haul composite

[14:49:32]

juski:

done that before

[14:49:43]

Scopeuk:

active or passive?

[14:49:46]

juski:

got about 5Mhz out of 300m without any compensation

[14:49:49]

juski:

active

[14:49:56]

Scopeuk:

very very nice

[14:50:23]

juski:

looked & sounded great :)

[14:50:27]

Scopeuk:

awsome

[14:50:42]

Scopeuk:

i was just plannign to use baluns wanted the noise rejection in proximity to other inductive sorces

[14:50:52]

juski:

I still distribute my cctv cameras that way

[14:51:01]

Scopeuk:

nice

[14:51:11]

juski:

cheap baluns are crap

[14:51:25]

Scopeuk:

juski 100m composite cables are crap

[14:51:26]

juski:

most of them aren't even proper transformers

[14:51:42]

Scopeuk:

hmm thats a let down

[14:51:44]

juski:

even the 'fancy' ones made by NVT

[14:51:47]

AndyCap:

they're more like gobots?

[14:51:47]

Scopeuk:

what they do with em?

[14:52:02]

juski:

they're like autotransformers :-\

[14:52:37]

juski:

just use a couple of opamps. sorted :D

[14:53:00]

Scopeuk:

inverting amp + non invertign amp same gain?

[14:53:18]

Scopeuk:

or non inverting + inverting unity gain?

[14:53:27]

juski:

unity

[14:54:00]

juski:

even with 300m of cable it wasn't enough to defeat the AGC on the receiving end ;-)

[14:54:18]

juski:

signal went down to about half at 300m

[14:54:41]

juski:

at 1000m the colour burst disappeared

[14:54:58]

juski:

but like I already said, there was no compensation

[14:55:01]

mzb:

got a long hallway, huh?

[14:55:08]

juski:

lol

[14:55:39]

juski:

the cable boxes were lying there, my circuit needed testing,so....

[14:58:03]

mzb:

hmm ... just what I don't need ... the idea of long cable runs in my head just before I go to bed ;)

[14:59:15]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-95-53-175-9.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:59:20]

Scopeuk:

it could be worse it could be camlock

[15:00:16]

mzb:

ie: despite warnings for months, SWMBO will probably refuse my demand for a roll of RG6 for the new house ... she's already baulked at one double-RF45 panel socket! (~au$7)

[15:00:46]

Scopeuk:

oh dear

[15:00:48]

Scopeuk:

good luck

[15:01:03]

juski:

heh this is all my boss' idea :D

[15:01:21]

juski:

in a DIY store one day she said "you know what'd be really cool? Speakers in every room"

[15:01:24]

mzb:

thanks, I know I'm not going to win ... 8mths pregnant ... I don't stand a chance

[15:02:02]

Scopeuk:

congrats

[15:02:02]

juski:

and she knows how much I love doing these 'little' jobs round the house

[15:02:10]

Scopeuk:

juski it would be btu zone amps are expensive

[15:02:27]

mzb:

ffs... mine obviously needs a retrain ... might have to experiment with subliminal suggestion immediately prior/post birth ;)

[15:02:48]

juski:

say you'll get a vasectomy

[15:03:16]

mzb:

err ... that card is not in the deck I'm playing with ;P

[15:03:22]

juski:

lol

[15:03:58]

wombo:

Ive got a drum of RG11?

[15:04:14]

Shadow__X:

juski, can you control the speakers independantly bwecause eventually i want speakers in every room but control them independantly

[15:04:22]

juski:

yeah

[15:04:24]

wombo:

haha actually and RG218

[15:04:28]

juski:

source switching in every room too

[15:04:49]

wombo:

but there probably overkill

[15:04:52]

mzb:

wombo: I guess it won't roll as far as Tasmania

[15:05:04]

wombo:

hmm in im Perth

[15:05:17]

Shadow__X:

juski how are you controlling them and what is the source of the msuic

[15:05:26]

mzb:

(which is still a shorter distance than juski's hallway;)

[15:05:27]

juski:

4 stereo sources

[15:05:33]

wombo:

lol

[15:05:46]

juski:

feed them to all receivers & switch between em

[15:06:03]

juski:

take stereo o/p into local amp/active speakers. tada

[15:06:08]

mzb:

s/hallway/tardis

[15:06:43]

JEDIDIAH__:

ultimately, an over-wired house is very good for the WAF

[15:07:16]

mkrufky (mkrufky!n=Jeff@unaffiliated/mkrufky) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:08:00]

Scopeuk:

yeh the proccess may get you killed though

[15:08:20]

juski:

eh?

[15:08:53]

Scopeuk:

[16:06] <JEDIDIAH__> ultimately, an over-wired house is very good for the WAF

[15:09:01]

mzb:

JEDIDIAH__, as long as she never sees the wires

[15:09:29]

mzb:

(or knows they're there)

[15:09:41]

juski:

my wife isn't stupid :)

[15:09:48]

juski:

she knows there's a trade off

[15:10:08]

juski:

yes you can have no wires in your network but it'll suck

[15:10:16]

JEDIDIAH__:

Well of course you hide the wires in the walls... '-)

[15:10:24]

juski:

yes you can have a VCR, but you need to manage tapes

[15:10:51]

juski:

you can do away with mythtv but then we need the VCR/DVD/yada yada under the TV again. Oh what's that dear?

[15:11:03]

mzb:

invisible string used to work a treat, but just won't handle modern bandwidth requirements

[15:11:06]

Scopeuk:

hehe our student hous was rediculose 4 ap's 200+m of cat5e and 12 computers with 3 of us

[15:11:07]

JEDIDIAH__:

oddly enough, the genesis of my myth was that the wife didn't want to see the "clutter" of DVD boxes.

[15:11:29]

juski:

oh, you want to have a baby? you DO realise that for that, we have to actually have sex?!

[15:11:34]

juski:

;-)

[15:11:41]

Scopeuk:

:P

[15:13:31]

mzb:

gnite all

[15:13:35]

Scopeuk:

gnite

[15:13:35]

juski:

nn

[15:13:44]

Shadow__X:

nite

[15:15:05]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has quit ("Leaving.")

[15:15:54]

jpabq0 (jpabq0!n=jpabq@c-98-230-202-207.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit ()

[15:16:23]

tmkt (tmkt!n=tmkt@nat/yahoo/x-3e0d02535f26c276) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:16:34]

tmkt:

hola

[15:16:50]

Scopeuk:

hmm the cammera in bbc news's green screen room has been doing funny things with brightness

[15:16:58]

Scopeuk:

good morrow

[15:17:03]

dougl:

can someone help me out? I am trying to configure cover art in myth for some of my videos I downloaded...

[15:17:15]

laga:

oh god

[15:17:18]

** laga gets the popcorn **

[15:17:35]

dougl:

what format are the images supposed to be?

[15:17:41]

** juski calls the MPAA **

[15:18:33]

juski:

well,GIF looks rather crap, so make sure they're JPEG

[15:20:21]

juski:

or just use Boxee

[15:20:44]

stoth (stoth!n=stoth@ool-18bfe0d5.dyn.optonline.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[15:21:55]

** dougl googling boxee **

[15:24:23]

dougl:

boxee... lol – that is some sort of newbie jab = thanks I only run linux tho :)

[15:24:55]

sphery:

I'm assuming--since you said you downloaded the videos--that you've just got one or 2. If so, any of the images at http://orange.blender.org/media-gallery should work just fine for it.

[15:25:11]

laga:

iamlindoro: bah, html email :P

[15:25:36]

iamlindoro:

laga: whathuh?

[15:25:40]

sphery:

I don't remember what the other movie that you can legally download is called (also from the creators of Elephants Dream), but it probably has a similar gallery page.

[15:26:11]

Shadow__X:

big bucks bunny

[15:26:16]

sphery:

ah, yeah

[15:26:42]

juski:

it had a plot & everything. allegedly

[15:26:48]

sphery:

wow, they both have extremely slow websites...

[15:26:57]

sphery:

http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/media-gallery/

[15:27:20]

sphery:

So, now we've covered all the downloadable movies you need covers for.

[15:27:26]

Shadow__X:

sphery, no i hafve gotten over 20mbps on their italy mirror

[15:27:54]

sphery:

the downloads may be fast, but I'm getting extremely slow response from the website itself

[15:28:06]

sphery:

I think much of it is the name server

[15:29:02]

juski:

god, I can imagine kids having nightmares on seeing those characters

[15:29:10]

sphery:

heh

[15:29:10]

Shadow__X:

which

[15:29:16]

Scopeuk:

are either of them worth watching?

[15:29:23]

anykey_:

sphery: you know, there are parts of the world where downloading movies is still legal...

[15:29:24]

sphery:

Can't sleep... Clown will eat me!

[15:29:32]

** iamlindoro grumbles about people who want the myth bindings without installing myth **

[15:29:55]

Scopeuk:

anykey_ there are thats nice moving on

[15:30:13]

** sphery grumbles about people asking user questions on the -dev list **

[15:30:22]

** laga grumbles **

[15:30:39]

** juski is limbering up to ask a coding question related to development on the -dev list **

[15:30:40]

** iamlindoro gru **

[15:30:54]

laga:

juski: you go

[15:31:01]

** Scopeuk takes juski temperature and offers him water for the speedy retreat **

[15:31:18]

juski:

I said limbering up, not writing/sending

[15:31:24]

juski:

jees

[15:31:39]

** iamlindoro rather hopes the blu ray subtitles guy gets the help he needs **

[15:31:55]

laga:

iamlindoro: can that kind of help be provided on the dev list?

[15:31:55]

iamlindoro:

Would be neat to have the best blu ray support in linux

[15:32:08]

sphery:

iamlindoro: you mean the help he'll need after the abuse he'll take from the ffmpeg guys?

[15:32:09]

stoth (stoth!n=stoth@ool-18bfe0d5.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:32:10]

iamlindoro:

laga: One hopes so :)

[15:32:26]

sphery:

ffmpeg: keeping psychiatrists in business...

[15:32:40]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I actually somewhat understand his reasoning now-- he's trying to get it working to show that he has tested it to work from start to finish before submitting it upstream

[15:32:49]

sphery:

yeah

[15:32:58]

sphery:

but still, whatever he submits to ffmpeg...

[15:33:13]

sphery:

so does ffplay do subtitles?

[15:33:13]

iamlindoro:

yeah, of course-- but no reason the myth parts of it can't be tested and working already

[15:33:25]

sphery:

if so, wouldn't it be easier to prototype/test in there?

[15:33:27]

iamlindoro:

I don't think so

[15:33:40]

iamlindoro:

hmm, guess it does

[15:34:08]

iamlindoro:

all the same, If he has to test it against *some* player, I'm cool with it being myth, and it explains posting it to the dev list (ie he's asking for some help)

[15:34:10]

sphery:

just figured since ffplay is designed as a simple testbed...

[15:34:27]

sphery:

(and since ffmpeg guys will likely want it updated, too...)

[15:34:42]

iamlindoro:

naw, ffmpeg guys are cool w/ adding stuff and not making ffplay do it

[15:34:59]

iamlindoro:

or at least, I think they are

[15:35:18]

iamlindoro:

like ffplay can't do hardware accel yet I believe

[15:35:22]

sphery:

well, I'd wager that the subtitle code in there is much less extensive/complex than that in Myth

[15:35:32]

iamlindoro:

anyway, all the same, I'd still like to see him get the help

[15:35:48]

sphery:

yeah, it will be good to get it in myth

[15:36:02]

sphery:

I'm a big fan of subtitles/captions

[15:36:10]

iamlindoro:

it's sort of academic which way he should do it, but it's not like it harms anyone to show some insight on how the subtitle code works, since he intends to do the work himself

[15:36:34]

iamlindoro:

and if the myth part is already done before it gets in upstream, then he can get it approved there and there's no delay in having a myth patch available

[15:36:36]

sphery:

I keep telling myself I'm going to do some work on the EIA-708 caption support, but I keep delaying (and, at this point, it probably makes sense to wait until the mythui conversion of the OSD)

[15:37:12]

dougl:

the image in question is a jpg but when I go to 'video manager' in mythfrontend and try to edit settings for movie and select cover image is says there is no images avilable but when I check there is the avi file and the jpg file in the directory

[15:37:21]

dougl (dougl!n=doug@S01060018f3992b5d.wp.shawcable.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[15:37:38]

juski:

time to phone my counsellor & see if they're available "after I send the email"

[15:37:43]

iamlindoro:

Guess I don't have to answer that one

[15:37:48]

sphery:

because you're putting your cover in the video directory instead of the poster directory

[15:37:51]

sphery:

but you won't know that...

[15:37:51]

iamlindoro:

he gone

[15:37:52]

dougl (dougl!n=doug@S01060018f3992b5d.wp.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:37:56]

sphery:

07.21 11:37:47 <+sphery> because you're putting your cover in the video directory instead of the poster directory

[15:38:05]

sphery:

dougl: ^^^

[15:38:23]

Scopeuk:

[16:37] * dougl (n=doug@S01060018f3992b5d.wp.shawcable.net) Quit ( Remote closed the connection )

[15:38:27]

juski:

also, you have to configure which directory mythvideo uses

[15:38:33]

juski:

Scopeuk: dougl [n=doug@S01060018f3992b5d.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #mythtv-users

[15:38:50]

Scopeuk:

ahh missed that one cheres juski

[15:40:19]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-95-53-175-9.vologda.ru) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[15:41:02]

sphery:

iamlindoro: and the latest responder even quoted my asking to continue on the -users list when he gave a -users answer on -dev list!

[15:41:07]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-95-53-175-9.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:41:10]

iamlindoro:

sphery: heh

[15:41:38]

sphery:

Answering questions in the wrong place only encourages people to ask in the wrong place.

[15:41:59]

iamlindoro:

yeah

[15:42:14]

sphery:

Your response was fine because it was quick and he may well have been trying to help with bindings/scripts for Myth

[15:42:24]

GreyFoxx:

Anyone know where you can pickup a coax filter to filter out channels 3/4 ?

[15:42:27]

sphery:

but once he responded asking for hand-holding...

[15:42:57]

GreyFoxx:

CATV 3/4 that is

[15:43:00]

dougl:

sphery, thanks for the info... looking for poster directory now :)

[15:43:30]

sphery:

dougl: go into mythfrontend settings section for MythVideo and it's in there (General settings, I think)

[15:43:34]

Typosu (Typosu!n=moose@S010600195b863efb.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:43:38]

iamlindoro:

sphery: especially not wanting to get myth/the myth source... sheesh

[15:43:57]

iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->General

[15:44:09]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I interpreted that as "bring down" == "shut down"

[15:44:14]

sphery:

not download

[15:44:20]

sphery:

though I don't know for sure

[15:44:47]

sphery:

then again, it may have meant "bork" (if he was assuming he won't do it right :)

[15:44:50]

iamlindoro:

you may be right

[15:44:58]

dougl:

sphery, hey – thanks again for the info

[15:45:18]

iamlindoro:

nice to see the bindings get some attention this release

[15:45:31]

iamlindoro:

hopefully wagnerrp and RDV_Linux's binding additions will make it in

[15:45:45]

sphery:

dougl: in the future, though, besides leaving out information that we don't want discussed here, you'll have better luck if you explain the problem/configuration rather than making assumptions as to what's wrong (as it had nothing to do with image format, but was all about config)

[15:46:22]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, the Python bindings were in desperate need of their TLC

[15:46:38]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Who needs a sales force when we have you around?:-D

[15:46:43]

iamlindoro:

heh

[15:46:54]

sphery:

and since so many people seem to love Python, now, it's better to have the code in the bindings where it's reused instead of everyone and their dog writing different/differently-broken versions in their own scripts

[15:47:00]

juski:

bloody advocates

[15:47:03]

iamlindoro:

Just eager to see any improvements that make it easier for others to write nice new features

[15:47:23]

iamlindoro:

Maybe I'm just sadistic and want everyone to see their patches sit in trac :)

[15:48:14]

wagnerrp:

thats fine with me... so long as python never gets updated, 'svn up' never overwrites my changes... :P

[15:48:22]

sphery:

I just wish we could refuse a lot more of the contrib scripts

[15:48:22]

juski:

so what you're saying is, people might be as well to put a feature request in the wiki, as they'd be to write a patch & submit it ? ;-)

[15:48:35]

sphery:

seems we accept a /lot/ of things that don't need to be there

[15:49:00]

sphery:

*cough*mythname.pl*cough*

[15:49:12]

iamlindoro:

juski: It all has the same end result ;)

[15:49:19]

wagnerrp:

i need to fix mythdb.py so it actually pulls the info from the correct file, right now its just pulling from the old mysql.txt

[15:49:46]

iamlindoro:

feature request without patch == feature request w/ patch in trac (functionalitywise)

[15:49:54]

iamlindoro:

both are equally useless :)

[15:50:10]

sphery:

juski: I'm just saying that we have way to much unnecessary/redundant/... code--that's completely unmaintained--in contrib and that should /really/ be written properly and integrated in Myth

[15:50:24]

dougl:

heh – yeah... the right way works alot better than the wrong way = thanks for the help guys :)

[15:50:29]

sphery:

some things make sense (mythrename.pl--well, the --link part of it, at least)

[15:50:30]

juski:

oh yeah I'd love to do a 'mythexport' GUI thing

[15:50:47]

RDV_Linux:

When the fate of storage groups is decided for 0,22 I have a major set of changes for the MythVideo.py bindings. Making the binding storage group aware and adds TV series, season and episode search capabilities. It is coded but not tested yet.

[15:50:53]

juski:

expand user jobs, yada yada

[15:50:55]

sphery:

but others (myth.find_orphans.pl and myth.rebuilddatabase.pl and ...) belong in mythtv proper

[15:51:24]

sphery:

yeah, the mythexport thing would belong in myth, too--like you described

[15:51:35]

sphery:

(or at worst case as part of mytharchive)

[15:51:36]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: nice-- well minimally the TV Series stuff *should* make it in-- if you have a patch for the bindings for that part, you can add it to my ticket for the Season/Episode/Subtitle stuff

[15:51:51]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Then Anduin could review it at the same time he adds the core functionality

[15:51:51]

juski:

worst case rewrite mytharchive

[15:52:22]

sphery:

but if Capt' M gets around to his multiple files/recording and transcode to any libav* format/codec, it will go nicely in the backend/frontend

[15:52:37]

sphery:

(that being files per recording)

[15:53:00]

GreyFoxx:

It's too bad we don't include libdvdcss, it would make the SG streaming of dvd's less complicated :)

[15:53:29]

sphery:

but on the bright side, you guys aren't getting sued for all you're worth :)

[15:53:42]

GreyFoxx:

I'm not vulnerable to that :)

[15:53:59]

sphery:

Of course, TPB guys got how many millions just for going to jail for a bit?

[15:54:08]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[15:54:44]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I had not thought of separating the storage group changes from the search changes but I think that could be done. Dam I thought I could move to my next project, but you are probably correct that the search improvements should be added.

[15:55:09]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Up to you, no pressure from me :)

[15:55:17]

GreyFoxx:

I should sit down and finish that bit, it's just not thing I can see making work under windows at all

[15:55:52]

sphery:

iamlindoro: at least the OP of that thread listened and switched to the -users list

[15:55:56]

davidm1 (davidm1!n=David@nat/ti/x-155cda9be0cf31a4) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[15:56:03]

iamlindoro:

sphery: yeah... though it's still a stupid question

[15:56:27]

iamlindoro:

I always puzzle over people who can't find a 30 second gap in which to restart a backend

[15:56:37]

sphery:

yeah

[15:56:39]

iamlindoro:

If you can't restart the backend in a scheduled manner, you watch too much TV

[15:56:55]

iamlindoro:

seek a doctor's help w/ a weight loss plan immediately

[15:56:59]

sphery:

though if concerned about switching from package-based install to source-based, I understand why he might be leary (breakage)

[15:57:19]

sphery:

though his packager /should/ have a package for the bindings

[15:58:00]

sphery:

(should doesn't mean "likely has" but means "if doing things right")

[15:58:16]

iamlindoro:

meh, from the name of his script, it sounds like redundant functionality

[15:58:31]

wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: ill stay hands off of that module for a while then

[15:58:31]

iamlindoro:

"mythDiskBalancer.py"

[15:58:50]

iamlindoro:

although maybe it moves recordings around

[15:58:56]

iamlindoro:

which could be okay I guess

[15:59:08]

mkrufky (mkrufky!n=Jeff@unaffiliated/mkrufky) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[15:59:20]

Shadow__X:

isnt that what storage groups or for?

[15:59:23]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, moving recordings (especially cross hosts) would be alright

[15:59:33]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: no

[15:59:43]

sphery:

though it /should/ be in myth proper--if someone would get off his IRC and write those patches...

[15:59:47]

Shadow__X:

its designed to handle multiple disks

[15:59:56]

sphery:

s/off his IRC/off his irssi/

[15:59:58]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: Storage groups can't automate moving recordings to balance disk space, and can't move across hosts (without a DB edit)

[15:59:59]

sphery:

(closer fit)

[16:00:17]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: What were you thinking of doing with MythVideo.py? That is the only one I am writting about.

[16:00:25]

mkrufky (mkrufky!n=Jeff@unaffiliated/mkrufky) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:00:48]

wagnerrp:

nothing really, ill just remember not to get any ideas about tinkering around

[16:00:59]

hashbang (hashbang!n=nosuch@cse-ajb.cse.bris.ac.uk) has quit ("Client exiting")

[16:01:31]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: ok

[16:01:32]

wagnerrp:

has there been any work on pushing files over mythproto?

[16:01:54]

sphery:

iamlindoro: though--considering he doesn't know how to get the python bindings for Myth--I can't imagine he's the one writing the script

[16:01:59]

wagnerrp:

instead of the current just pulling

[16:02:06]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[16:02:08]

wagnerrp:

i know the topic has been brought up a couple times before

[16:02:09]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:02:59]

sphery:

iamlindoro: wonder how much its functionality overlaps with myth_archive_job.pl (which works for moving recordings on the same host or when NFS/CIFS is used as long as you comment the line that makes the symlink)

[16:03:18]

sphery:

technically, it works even with the link, but it's uglier

[16:08:54]

mkrufky (mkrufky!n=Jeff@unaffiliated/mkrufky) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[16:10:03]

mkrufky (mkrufky!n=Jeff@unaffiliated/mkrufky) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:15:42]

sgtpepper (sgtpepper!n=ncorrare@200.80.164.11) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:16:22]

dmz (dmz!n=dmz@64.203.233.195.dyn-cm-pool35.hargray.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:21:30]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@65.122.67.200) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[16:27:49]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@206-248-160-94.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:37:05]

gunni (gunni!n=quassel@xdsl-81-173-232-66.netcologne.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:41:52]

ryanjohnston (ryanjohnston!n=ryanj@S0106001d60863652.cg.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:46:24]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-76-102-14-249.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:46:48]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[16:47:08]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:53:32]

gunni_ (gunni_!n=quassel@xdsl-84-44-134-8.netcologne.de) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[16:57:21]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:01:50]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@97.66.21.169) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[17:02:59]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Will the HVR-1700 be affected by the same analog issues as the HVR-1800?

[17:03:30]

mkrufky:

no

[17:03:48]

iamlindoro:

okee, thanks (mailing list stuff)

[17:04:17]

mkrufky:

analog wont work on that board at all

[17:04:19]

mkrufky:

(yet)

[17:04:44]

iamlindoro:

ok, sounds good, thanks

[17:04:59]

mkrufky:

analog can work if somebody makes it work :-)

[17:05:04]

iamlindoro:

heh

[17:05:07]

iamlindoro:

not I!

[17:05:26]

mkrufky:

shouldnt be too much trouble to do, but its not high on the to-do list ... especially since i dont think anybody's asking for it

[17:05:37]

Shadow__X:

i cans help make the 1800 work

[17:05:39]

iamlindoro:

yeah, makes the answer simple

[17:05:52]

iamlindoro:

he's asking if anyone has used HVR-2200 or 1700 for analog

[17:05:58]

iamlindoro:

therefore, no, and can't :)

[17:06:01]

mkrufky:

2200 digital only also

[17:06:06]

iamlindoro:

yeah, knew that one

[17:06:23]

stoth:

analog, so over-rated ;)

[17:06:26]

mkrufky:

arms have to be twisted to make developers care about analog

[17:06:31]

iamlindoro:

heh, agreed! (except HD-PVRs)

[17:06:42]

Shadow__X:

firewire FTW!!

[17:06:43]

mkrufky:

there are ways to twist arms without causing pain :-D

[17:06:46]

iamlindoro:

my only analog device, and the only one I intend to ever have again

[17:06:59]

** stoth agrees **

[17:07:19]

wagnerrp:

even for your standard definition channels?

[17:07:34]

wagnerrp:

i mean how many do you actually get in HD?

[17:07:38]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Those are all clearQAM and/or firewire

[17:07:44]

wagnerrp:

ah

[17:07:48]

mkrufky:

stoth: this user, in #linuxtv ... something broke on his hvr1700 and he cant get TS with tip ... but it works in his stock 2.6.27 kernel

[17:08:00]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, i despise your clearqam firewire

[17:08:27]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: I know you do, I feed on your delicious jealousy

[17:08:45]

Shadow__X:

dont get chunky on it now

[17:08:47]

stoth:

mkrufky: Odd

[17:09:04]

stoth:

especailly since the recent hvr1700 related patches worked for me.

[17:09:21]

mkrufky:

yeah i had him test before and after that change, doesnt work either way

[17:09:31]

mkrufky:

something broke LONG AGO for him ... and he's in the UK

[17:10:12]

mkrufky:

but it works for us .... so im a little confused

[17:10:38]

Shadow__X:

i would call it a uk fail

[17:10:53]

stoth:

pff, brits, can't trust 'em.

[17:11:08]

Shadow__X:

nope with their imperial gallons

[17:11:16]

Shadow__X:

oh look we get better fuel economy

[17:11:17]

Shadow__X:

pssh

[17:11:43]

mkrufky:

lol @ stoth .... i even asked him to revert back to the stock kernel and that worked for him

[17:11:52]

mkrufky:

so its bot bad cabling or hardware

[17:12:04]

gfoot (gfoot!n=gfoot@gfoot.homeip.net) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:12:04]

FR^2 (FR^2!n=frzwo@frquadrat.de) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:12:04]

aloril (aloril!n=aloril@84.249.126.153) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:12:04]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@jhulst.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:12:04]

tomimo (tomimo!n=kurre@xdsl-83-150-88-111.nebulazone.fi) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:12:04]

diesel (diesel!n=dlong@63.75.14.62) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:12:04]

felipe` (felipe`!n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:12:35]

stoth:

hmm, firmware not in the right place?

[17:13:20]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@jhulst.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:13:26]

mkrufky:

stoth: i wonder if maybe we're using newer firmware here than he is ... i just asked you about it in #linuxtv

[17:22:05]

mgisbers_away is now known as mgisbers

[17:24:31]

gbutters is now known as gbutters_work

[17:25:17]

tomimo (tomimo!n=kurre@xdsl-83-150-88-111.nebulazone.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:25:19]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@90.146.56.206) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:25:59]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:26:01]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:28]

aloril (aloril!n=aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:34:48]

Shadow__X1 (Shadow__X1!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:34:59]

psipsi_ (psipsi_!n=psipsi@rrcs-71-42-17-155.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:37:24]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:24]

psipsi (psipsi!n=psipsi@rrcs-71-42-17-155.se.biz.rr.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:24]

olesalscheider_ (olesalscheider_!n=desktop@xdsl-78-34-244-39.netcologne.de) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:24]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=scopeukf@cpc2-mfld11-0-0-cust971.nott.cable.ntl.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:24]

Shadow__X (Shadow__X!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:24]

cdpuk (cdpuk!n=chris@cdpuk.cdp.me.uk) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:24]

tank-man (tank-man!i=1000@174.6.38.217) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:24]

Beirdo_ (Beirdo_!n=gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:24]

photon (photon!n=photon@unaffiliated/photon) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:24]

new2linx (new2linx!n=daniel@cpe-173-89-33-87.wi.res.rr.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:24]

superdug (superdug!n=superdug@wilug/madlug/superdug) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:24]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@173-10-106-174-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:37:25]

FinnTux (FinnTux!n=smr@fu200.netikka.fi) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:25]

coldpenguin (coldpenguin!n=gareth@host86-165-50-144.range86-165.btcentralplus.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:25]

slayven (slayven!i=slayven@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:25]

psm321 (psm321!n=mythtv@c-98-243-65-191.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:25]

meshe (meshe!n=meshe@li41-117.members.linode.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:25]

mgisbers (mgisbers!n=mgisbers@egroupware.lugor.de) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:37:25]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

[17:37:29]

cdpuk (cdpuk!n=chris@cdpuk.cdp.me.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:37:44]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

psipsi (psipsi!n=psipsi@rrcs-71-42-17-155.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

olesalscheider_ (olesalscheider_!n=desktop@xdsl-78-34-244-39.netcologne.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=scopeukf@cpc2-mfld11-0-0-cust971.nott.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

Shadow__X (Shadow__X!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

tank-man (tank-man!i=1000@174.6.38.217) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

Beirdo_ (Beirdo_!n=gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

photon (photon!n=photon@unaffiliated/photon) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

new2linx (new2linx!n=daniel@cpe-173-89-33-87.wi.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

superdug (superdug!n=superdug@wilug/madlug/superdug) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

coldpenguin (coldpenguin!n=gareth@host86-165-50-144.range86-165.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

psm321 (psm321!n=mythtv@c-98-243-65-191.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

FinnTux (FinnTux!n=smr@fu200.netikka.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

mgisbers (mgisbers!n=mgisbers@egroupware.lugor.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

meshe (meshe!n=meshe@li41-117.members.linode.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

slayven (slayven!i=slayven@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:38:23]

Mode for #mythtv-users by irc.freenode.net : +v Beirdo_

[17:38:51]

meshe (meshe!n=meshe@li41-117.members.linode.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:39:47]

meshe (meshe!n=meshe@72.14.179.117) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:40:09]

sphery:

iamlindoro: did you have some fancy sql query to pull the length (time or frame) of a recording file?

[17:41:14]

TomasuAway (TomasuAway!n=moose@S010600195b863efb.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:41:26]

meshe (meshe!n=meshe@72.14.179.117) has quit (Client Quit)

[17:41:40]

Typosu (Typosu!n=moose@S010600195b863efb.ed.shawcable.net) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[17:42:13]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@97.66.21.169) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:42:27]

meshe (meshe!n=meshe@li41-117.members.linode.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:42:31]

_tux (_tux!n=Miranda@mnch-4d043143.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:43:26]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Don't think so, in the past I've mostly parsed ffmpeg output

[17:44:48]

Shadow__X1:

:(

[17:45:11]

sphery:

hmm.. ok. I'll see if we have something already

[17:45:42]

Shadow__X1:

why does comcast insist of advertising 30mbps speed when it only last for the beginning of the file

[17:47:17]

meshe (meshe!n=meshe@li41-117.members.linode.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:47:17]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@jhulst.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:47:17]

tmkt (tmkt!n=tmkt@nat/yahoo/x-3e0d02535f26c276) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:47:17]

Essobi (Essobi!n=Essobi@96-28-65-2.dhcp.insightbb.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:47:17]

Loto_ (Loto_!n=ctrlprox@S01060012171a84e3.no.shawcable.net) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:47:19]

sphery:

so they give it to you, but they don't tell you that they limit the number of seconds you get it?

[17:47:22]

Loto__ (Loto__!n=ctrlprox@S01060012171a84e3.no.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:47:47]

Shadow__X1:

yeah its just why screw over the people that you survive on thats all

[17:48:03]

wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: no one needs more than a MB or so of transfer at a time

[17:48:23]

wagnerrp:

i mean its not like youre getting your video from anywhere other than your cable subscription... right?

[17:48:33]

Shadow__X1:

right

[17:48:34]

kormoc:

sphery, we talked about it before but we don't have a way currently. Was thinking of doing another thing like the aspect ratio change that does fps changes

[17:48:40]

wagnerrp:

of course not! comcast provides everything you will ever need

[17:48:48]

Shadow__X1:

wagnerrp, eh but

[17:48:49]

wagnerrp:

love the comcast

[17:48:55]

wagnerrp:

LOVE!

[17:48:55]

Shadow__X1:

no its icky

[17:49:10]

Shadow__X1:

but

[17:49:21]

meshe (meshe!n=meshe@li41-117.members.linode.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:49:21]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@jhulst.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:49:21]

tmkt (tmkt!n=tmkt@nat/yahoo/x-3e0d02535f26c276) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:49:21]

Essobi (Essobi!n=Essobi@96-28-65-2.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:49:22]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-95-53-175-9.vologda.ru) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[17:49:37]

wagnerrp:

actually... is that burst speed the total connection? or just a single transfer?

[17:49:47]

kormoc:

this is getting awkward

[17:50:08]

Shadow__X1:

it seems like single transfer

[17:50:53]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if you could write a multi-part transfer protocol, that only grabs under that limit before switching to another server

[17:51:11]

wagnerrp:

or if that would still be limited by the bursting

[17:51:16]

Shadow__X1:

and stich it back together later?

[17:51:23]

** kormoc peers at getright **

[17:51:32]

Shadow__X1:

i believe it would still be limited by the burst

[17:51:34]

sphery:

kormoc: hmmm... would that require a valid position map/seektable?

[17:51:38]

wagnerrp:

i mean someone like netflix

[17:51:40]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, if so, wouldn't that speed up bittorrents amazingly?

[17:51:47]

kormoc:

sphery, I believe so, yes

[17:52:00]

Shadow__X1:

no torrents for me

[17:52:06]

psipsi (psipsi!n=psipsi@rrcs-71-42-17-155.se.biz.rr.com) has quit (Connection timed out)

[17:52:22]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what the normal size for torrent blocks are

[17:52:38]

** kormoc wouldn't know as well **

[17:52:43]

wagnerrp:

and besides, that relies on the person youre downloading from actually being able to UPLOAD at 30mbps

[17:52:58]

Shadow__X1:

right except again i dont use torrents

[17:53:23]

Shadow__X (Shadow__X!n=Shadow__@unaffiliated/shadowx/x-411846) has quit (Success)

[17:53:25]

kormoc:

true, but not horribly that out dated these days :P

[17:53:39]

felipe` (felipe`!n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:55:01]

sphery_ (sphery_!n=mdean@user-0c6sj46.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:55:01]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v sphery_

[17:55:27]

Satchmo (Satchmo!n=louis@94-170-209-92.cable.ubr11.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:56:01]

wagnerrp:

apparently some company sent demo servers to Opera, which had a block of javascript in the web-admin interface to throw an error if the browser was Opera

[17:56:01]

Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@pdpc/supporter/active/anduin) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[17:56:17]

dustybin_ (dustybin_!n=dustybin@thinkdebian.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:56:19]

Shadow__X1:

hehe

[17:56:33]

sphery (sphery!n=mdean@user-0c6sj46.cable.mindspring.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[17:56:43]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: heh, no sale?

[17:56:45]

tmkt (tmkt!n=tmkt@nat/yahoo/x-3e0d02535f26c276) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[17:57:10]

dustybin (dustybin!n=dustybin@thinkdebian.org) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[17:57:18]

wagnerrp:

indeed, they lost the bid

[17:58:28]

dubstar_04 (dubstar_04!n=sandal@cpc1-warr4-0-0-cust672.bagu.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:58:33]

opentrinity (opentrinity!n=opentrin@host2-9-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:58:36]

sphery_:

I love the brain-dead sites that tell me that I can't use their website because I'm not using a supported browser and that I need to get Firefox. I use Minefield (=Firefox without the nasty license agreement they require to use the name Firefox)

[17:59:17]

wagnerrp:

yeah, gentoo makes a binary firefox available, and its named something different for similar reasons

[17:59:35]

sphery_:

I'll bet they don't check for Gran Paradiso or Siretoko, either...

[17:59:44]

Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@pdpc/supporter/active/anduin) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:59:44]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v Anduin

[17:59:46]

sphery_:

(or Bon Echo or Deer Park)

[17:59:47]

kormoc:

emerge firefox-bin

[17:59:55]

sphery_ is now known as sphery

[18:00:05]

Satchmo (Satchmo!n=louis@94-170-209-92.cable.ubr11.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:00:05]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@97.66.21.169) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:00:05]

aloril (aloril!n=aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:00:05]

gunni (gunni!n=quassel@xdsl-81-173-232-66.netcologne.de) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:00:05]

wylie (wylie!n=wylie@ip70-190-125-87.ph.ph.cox.net) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:00:05]

dec (dec!n=tom@unaffiliated/dec) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:00:05]

qupada (qupada!n=qupada@131.203.203.2) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:00:05]

poodyp (poodyp!n=mordac@cpe-98-148-122-5.socal.res.rr.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:00:05]

Kevin` (Kevin`!n=kevin@rrcs-67-52-47-69.west.biz.rr.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:00:05]

xand (xand!n=xand@unaffiliated/xelam) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:00:05]

chainsawbike (chainsawbike!n=chainsaw@121-73-114-254.cable.telstraclear.net) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:00:11]

Dagmar (Dagmar!i=dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:00:34]

sphery:

wonder if changing my user agent string to say firefox is a violation of the firefox name license agreement (that I don't agree to)

[18:00:48]

sphery:

(i.e. doing it for just one site that forbids Minefied)

[18:00:51]

kormoc:

I believe it is sadly

[18:00:55]

dustybin_ is now known as dustybin

[18:01:05]

kormoc:

they're quite... strict

[18:01:12]

Shadow__X1:

the splits be vicious today

[18:01:16]

sphery:

Wow. /In/flammable means flammable? What a country!

[18:01:26]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:01:29]

gunni (gunni!n=quassel@xdsl-81-173-232-66.netcologne.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:01:30]

sphery:

so, how about IE or Opera?...

[18:01:46]

sphery:

wonder if I could borrow their UA strings

[18:01:51]

kormoc:

I think Opera would be fine with it, the more Opera mindshare, the better ;)

[18:02:08]

sphery:

yeah, and it artificially inflates their market share stats :)

[18:02:19]

Dagmar (Dagmar!i=dagmar@c-98-193-197-72.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #MythTV-Users

[18:02:48]

dec (dec!n=tom@unaffiliated/dec) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:03:14]

sphery:

s/Siretoko/Shiretoko/

[18:03:21]

Scopeuk:

only same as some sites where opera users have to change ua string to ie/ff just to get passed a generic useless error page

[18:03:34]

aloril (aloril!n=aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:03:34]

Kevin` (Kevin`!n=kevin@rrcs-67-52-47-69.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:03:34]

wylie (wylie!n=wylie@ip70-190-125-87.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:03:34]

qupada (qupada!n=qupada@131.203.203.2) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:03:34]

poodyp (poodyp!n=mordac@cpe-98-148-122-5.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:03:34]

xand (xand!n=xand@unaffiliated/xelam) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:03:34]

chainsawbike (chainsawbike!n=chainsaw@121-73-114-254.cable.telstraclear.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:03:47]

xand (xand!n=xand@unaffiliated/xelam) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[18:03:54]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@97.66.21.169) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:04:08]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:04:08]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: what about IE using the 'mozilla' name a decade ago?

[18:04:26]

sphery:

Yeah, IMHO, web devs shouldn't be allowed to do UA detection code until they've read the 27-page Netscape document on how to do it properly--after which they'll realize there's no way to do it properly.

[18:04:27]

Kevin` (Kevin`!n=kevin@rrcs-67-52-47-69.west.biz.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[18:04:30]

Kevin` (Kevin`!n=kevin@rrcs-67-52-47-69.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:04:31]

meshe:

sphery: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59?src=api

[18:04:52]

sphery:

browser detection to help support extra features is OK, but locking people out of the website is /always/ wrong

[18:05:00]

poodyp (poodyp!n=mordac@cpe-98-148-122-5.socal.res.rr.com) has quit (Operation timed out)

[18:05:09]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, that's because mozilla wasn't restricted and was the standard at the time, so it's legit

[18:05:20]

meshe:

my favorite is: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/31

[18:05:22]

Scopeuk:

one of the university websites for where i studdied throw you to a login failed erro page when you load it if your ua is opera

[18:06:09]

FR^2 (FR^2!n=frzwo@frquadrat.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:06:37]

sphery:

meshe: yeah, I have used the UA switcher... I'

[18:06:47]

kormoc:

that's not a UA switcher :P

[18:06:49]

sphery:

m just realizing that telling it to use FF's UA string is a violation

[18:06:51]

kormoc:

it's a codename generator :P

[18:06:54]

xand (xand!n=xand@unaffiliated/xelam) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:07:13]

sphery:

heh, Hypnotoad :)

[18:07:17]

Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=LedHed@75-151-70-115-Stockton.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:07:34]

kormoc:

top rated tv show!

[18:07:42]

Winkie_ (Winkie_!n=urmom@ur.fa.gs) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:07:46]

iamlindoro:

"Microsuck ThunderPikachu" is my fave

[18:08:02]

sphery:

now I'm sad, again, because I'm remembering that they may not use the proper voice actors for future Futurama... :(

[18:08:10]

iamlindoro:

I think it's a tactic

[18:08:14]

sphery:

I hope

[18:08:37]

Winkie (Winkie!n=urmom@ur.fa.gs) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:08:52]

wagnerrp:

sphery: so what? with how closely people can do impersonations, you dont think another good, trained voice actor could make those voices?

[18:09:05]

sphery:

but it's not the same

[18:09:06]

kormoc:

it won't be the same

[18:09:12]

kormoc:

it's like homer not being homer!

[18:09:14]

sphery:

It's the principle of the matter

[18:09:35]

kormoc:

TRADITION! TRADITION!

[18:09:42]

** kormoc fiddles on the roof **

[18:09:59]

sphery:

Yeah, or Seth MacFarlane not doing Brian's voice

[18:10:05]

sphery:

(which is Seth's real voice...)

[18:10:19]

wagnerrp:

bleh... thats like saying star trek isnt the same because Scottie died, and they replaced him with Welshie

[18:10:26]

kormoc:

it's true!

[18:10:47]

kormoc:

That jj movie was decent scifi, but it was no trek...

[18:11:01]

AndyCap:

Troy McClure got retired

[18:11:14]

** kormoc wanted to punch both 'kirk' and 'spock' in the face **

[18:11:28]

** wagnerrp thinks kormoc missed the reference **

[18:11:32]

sphery:

Or Star Trek isn't the same because they replaced Jeffrey Hunter/Capt Pike with William Shatner/Capt Kirk

[18:11:37]

sphery:

;)

[18:11:42]

iamlindoro:

You say not star trek, I say only tolerable Star Trek movie ever, let's call the whole thing off

[18:12:08]

kormoc:

BLASPHEMOUS RUMORS!

[18:13:12]

Slim-Kimbo (Slim-Kimbo!n=Kimbo@host86-168-176-99.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:13:43]

iamlindoro:

The UPS man again didn't bring me presents today. Bad UPS man.

[18:14:12]

kormoc:

So I have her booting, just need to get all the drivers setup and mysql/myth installed

[18:14:12]

sphery:

So, newegg is taunting me... They just sent me a couple e-mails telling me about how they fulfilled and shipped my Red Faction: Guerilla for XBox 360--which I can't use until I get my RRoD replacment...

[18:14:14]

nwahmaet (nwahmaet!n=pjudge@131.239.31.200) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:14:31]

kormoc:

sphery, which is why you buy a pc and buy it on steam! ;)

[18:14:37]

sphery:

Boot her? I barely know her.

[18:14:54]

wagnerrp:

i never really got into the RF games

[18:14:59]

iamlindoro:

Let alone install your SQL on her

[18:15:12]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, it's weird, I didn't need rEFIt other then to sync the gpt with the mbr, and then because I did the 'bootcamp' setup, she'll boot without eEFIt

[18:15:16]

Scopeuk:

all i can remeber of rf is shooting people trhough huge swaves of level with the rail launcher

[18:15:20]

kormoc:

but it takes a lot longer then I wanted

[18:15:35]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Ah, ok... well all's well that ends well I guess

[18:15:47]

kormoc:

I'm thinking I'll blow away the efi partition and resize it to the front so it trys not to scan it for OS X

[18:15:48]

sphery:

kormoc: and buy a $700 graphics card and a $200 mobo and a $700 unlocked CPU and a $40 dual- or triple-channel memory kit (OK, that one's cheap :)

[18:16:10]

sphery:

kormoc: some of us have our priorities straight and spend that money on Myth boxes, instead

[18:16:19]

kormoc:

sphery, meh, a $200 gfx card would play it, and why would you spend $700 on a 'unlocked' cpu?

[18:16:21]

** kormoc blinks **

[18:16:24]

ryanjohnston (ryanjohnston!n=ryanj@S0106001d60863652.cg.shawcable.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[18:16:39]

wagnerrp:

sphery: the 360 is an old system, a midrange computer can now best it in game performance

[18:17:03]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:17:08]

** iamlindoro likes his consoles for simplicity **

[18:17:09]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:17:10]

sphery:

true, but overall, gaming on the console is cheaper

[18:17:12]

iamlindoro:

(and for console only games)

[18:17:22]

Shadow__X1:

yeah i mean consoles are good to lay back and play video games

[18:17:30]

Shadow__X1:

but if you want to get into it pc is where its at

[18:17:34]

sphery:

and, there's that--consoles work without DLL hell/installation/dependency issues

[18:17:39]

iamlindoro:

Though many of those same games do eventually end up on Steam

[18:17:41]

wagnerrp:

sphery: depends on how quickly and often you buy games

[18:17:54]

wagnerrp:

they drop price on the PC FAR faster than on consoles

[18:17:57]

kormoc:

sphery, nah, I don't think so, you already own a desktop, upgrading that into a gaming rig isn't that much and steam fixes a lot of that

[18:18:10]

sphery:

when a group of friends and I used to have LAN parties, we'd show up and spend anywhere from 1–6 hours trying to get everyone's PC working with the game and then play the game

[18:18:12]

ryanjohnston (ryanjohnston!n=ryanj@S0106001d60863652.cg.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:18:17]

sphery:

the console just goes

[18:18:24]

olesalscheider (olesalscheider!n=desktop@xdsl-78-34-244-39.netcologne.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:18:28]

wagnerrp:

says kormoc with $2K+ pumped into Steam

[18:18:35]

** kormoc shifty eyes **

[18:18:49]

Shadow__X1:

sphery, i do that too except my friends dont fail we can play games in about 30 minutes

[18:18:51]

Shadow__X1:

:)

[18:18:54]

sphery:

wagnerrp: true, prices on the actual software tend to be cheaper for PC's, but the hardware is so much more expensive (and requires constant upgrades)

[18:19:03]

kormoc:

so I may have a vested interest in making sure steam says around... ;)

[18:19:23]

wagnerrp:

you see last week's zero punctuation?

[18:19:37]

kormoc:

sphery, mid range pc hardware isn't that costly at all, especially if you make it your desktop as well

[18:19:39]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, negative

[18:19:49]

nwahmaet (nwahmaet!n=pjudge@131.239.31.200) has left #mythtv-users ()

[18:20:06]

sgtpepper (sgtpepper!n=ncorrare@200.80.164.11) has quit ("Leaving.")

[18:20:06]

sphery:

Shadow__X1: it's usually the PC's the friends bring that were the big fail (out of date drivers, windows updates, directx, ... and they got the game just before the LAN party and /maybe/ installed it but haven't tested/played it at all)

[18:20:20]

Loto___ (Loto___!n=ctrlprox@S01060012171a84e3.no.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:20:29]

kormoc:

sphery, you need better friends, when we lan, we're ready and just go

[18:20:32]

dubstar_04 (dubstar_04!n=sandal@cpc1-warr4-0-0-cust672.bagu.cable.ntl.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[18:20:34]

sphery:

though some of them were lacking the requisite knowledge

[18:21:06]

opentrinity (opentrinity!n=opentrin@host2-9-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

Loto__ (Loto__!n=ctrlprox@S01060012171a84e3.no.shawcable.net) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

FinnTux (FinnTux!n=smr@fu200.netikka.fi) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

coldpenguin (coldpenguin!n=gareth@host86-165-50-144.range86-165.btcentralplus.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

tank-man (tank-man!i=1000@174.6.38.217) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

superdug (superdug!n=superdug@wilug/madlug/superdug) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

slayven (slayven!i=slayven@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

psm321 (psm321!n=mythtv@c-98-243-65-191.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

new2linx (new2linx!n=daniel@cpe-173-89-33-87.wi.res.rr.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

olesalscheider_ (olesalscheider_!n=desktop@xdsl-78-34-244-39.netcologne.de) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

mgisbers (mgisbers!n=mgisbers@egroupware.lugor.de) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

photon (photon!n=photon@unaffiliated/photon) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

Beirdo_ (Beirdo_!n=gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:06]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=scopeukf@cpc2-mfld11-0-0-cust971.nott.cable.ntl.com) has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[18:21:07]

kormoc:

and steam really does fix a lot of that, it'll keep things upto date and all that jazz

[18:21:23]

wagnerrp:

he mentions 'i was playing the PC version, because Steam is so gosh darn inexpensive and convenient'.... i guess theyre paying for another vacation to California

[18:21:25]

** kormoc wonders if holmes.freenode.net just went on a coke bender **

[18:21:43]

Beirdo (Beirdo!n=gjhurlbu@linode.beirdo.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:21:45]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v Beirdo

[18:21:47]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, hehe

[18:21:50]

superdug (superdug!n=superdug@24-196-111-11.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:21:56]

sphery:

kormoc: perhaps it went holme for the day

[18:22:06]

slayven (slayven!i=slayven@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:22:08]

kormoc:

heh

[18:22:13]

iamlindoro:

plain spinach sucks.

[18:22:19]

iamlindoro:

I thought you guys should know

[18:22:23]

sphery:

plain spinach is good

[18:22:30]

mgisbers (mgisbers!n=mgisbers@egroupware.lugor.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:22:30]

sphery:

/cooked/ plain spinach sucks

[18:22:38]

wagnerrp:

it was good enough for Popeye

[18:22:40]

** Shadow__X1 eyes up iamlindoro and begins fail whale **

[18:22:43]

iamlindoro:

cooked plain spinach is awesome (well, if you get to add garlic)

[18:22:53]

iamlindoro:

and a little EVOO

[18:22:58]

kormoc:

that's hardly plain

[18:23:00]

wagnerrp:

yeaching a generation of kids to eat their greens

[18:23:04]

kormoc:

(EVOO?)

[18:23:06]

iamlindoro:

your mom's hardly plain

[18:23:14]

iamlindoro:

Extra Virgin olive Oil

[18:23:15]

kormoc:

erm... burn?

[18:23:16]

kormoc:

ahh

[18:23:24]

clever:

iamlindoro: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/how_to_get_girl.jpg

[18:23:34]

** iamlindoro is in the midst of his training diet again. Boo. **

[18:23:49]

sphery:

kormoc: probably good you didn't know what that was, or that comment about your mom may have been even more specific

[18:23:51]

kormoc:

clever, I guess it's not working out so well for ya eh?

[18:24:04]

clever:

kormoc: i just found that pic today:P

[18:24:06]

iamlindoro:

clever: Never meeting her because you don't leave the house does NOT count as ignoring her

[18:24:20]

clever:

iamlindoro: you have a point...

[18:24:30]

wagnerrp:

WTF is 'postoupit', and why does the text just keep getting bigger and bigger

[18:25:03]

KraMer (KraMer!n=mark@adsl-70-240-204-164.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:25:15]

psipsi_ is now known as psipsi

[18:25:18]

sebrock (sebrock!n=sebastia@hd5b90669.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:25:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp: no idea on the first, but the answer to the second: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.0.2 August 07, 2008

[18:25:27]

sphery:

he's one of the 2 users

[18:26:50]

kormoc:

quick, kill him before they get any more market shar... oh wait...

[18:26:56]

dwax (dwax!n=dweather@206.83.81.179.ptr.us.xo.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:28:11]

sphery:

yeah, it's e-mails like that (and many from a certain outwardly-looking MUA) that make you wonder why the company would even consider adding an X-Mailer header to the messages...

[18:28:43]

sphery:

This completely broken/malformatted e-mail was generated by our program!!!

[18:29:29]

kormoc:

In order to read it, you must send us $5k in small, unmarked bills...

[18:29:39]

sphery:

heh

[18:30:11]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@71-38-213-181.albq.qwest.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:30:15]

sphery:

Oh, and worse are the ones that always add a "Sent from my Blackberry" or "Sent from my iPhone" to the bottom of the message (where /everyone/ sees it) after completely destroying the message

[18:30:26]

kormoc:

Yeah... I hate that

[18:30:27]

krisb:

damn. the receiver only supports HDMI video passthrough, and no audio#"%/

[18:30:31]

krisb:

I'm screwed

[18:30:59]

sphery:

can break out the HDMI into DVI and S/PDIF, right?

[18:31:22]

krisb:

hmm

[18:31:32]

sphery:

i.e. when DRM fails you, don't use it :)

[18:31:36]

krisb:

I was thinking USB soundcard but couldn't find any decent digital ones

[18:31:59]

Shadow__X1:

what is also annoiying are news articles that speak of the push for everyone to get smartphones and that them sending an email about a job application with sent from my iphone at the buttom creates some sort of boost to that person

[18:32:06]

krisb:

but then I would have to do DVI back to HDMI again, not that that matters, those adapters are probably cheap

[18:32:09]

krisb:

but fuck

[18:32:13]

krisb:

I was looking forward to this all day

[18:32:31]

sphery:

let's keep the language G rated, please :)

[18:32:36]

Shadow__X1:

life is full of disappointments

[18:32:37]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc1-derb9-0-0-cust559.leic.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:32:37]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee

[18:32:39]

Shadow__X1:

wake up

[18:32:49]

** kormoc eyes Shadow__X1 **

[18:32:50]

krisb:

and then I find out it doesn't support HDMI audio even though they told me it was no problem

[18:32:53]

krisb:

meh

[18:32:59]

wagnerrp:

so return it

[18:33:06]

wagnerrp:

they lied to you apparently

[18:33:06]

** Shadow__X1 waves at kormoc hows it goin **

[18:33:19]

kormoc:

so beat it with a bat in a field to gangster rap?

[18:33:21]

krisb:

yeah I could, but then I would have to buy a more expensive one and probably wait a week

[18:33:42]

sphery:

Now I want to watch Office Space, again

[18:34:01]

krisb:

I actually watched it like two days ago

[18:34:05]

krisb:

still good

[18:34:08]

psm321 (psm321!n=mythtv@c-98-243-65-191.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:34:26]

FinnTux (FinnTux!n=smr@fu200.netikka.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:34:31]

new2linx (new2linx!n=daniel@cpe-173-89-33-87.wi.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:34:51]

tank-man (tank-man!i=1000@174.6.38.217) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:35:07]

iamlindoro:

Why does it say paper jam when there IS no paper jam??

[18:35:09]

coldpenguin (coldpenguin!n=gareth@host86-165-50-144.range86-165.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:35:28]

wagnerrp:

because it feels good about being a gangsta?

[18:35:30]

Shadow__X1:

it will strangle you in the sleep with the paper it has been hording

[18:35:32]

Shadow__X1:

thats why

[18:36:36]

** kormoc thinks Shadow__X1 hasn't seen Office Space **

[18:36:49]

Shadow__X1:

yes i have

[18:36:57]

Shadow__X1:

i will even watch it again

[18:37:24]

wagnerrp:

if you keep taunting him, he'll set the channel on fire

[18:37:43]

** Shadow__X1 silent mode activated **

[18:37:45]

dubstar_04 (dubstar_04!n=sandal@cpc1-warr4-0-0-cust672.bagu.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:38:02]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, and then... everyone... would die in a fire?!?!?!

[18:38:17]

** kormoc looks forward to the answer with a hint of glee in his eyes **

[18:38:27]

FR^2 (FR^2!n=frzwo@frquadrat.de) has quit ("Connection reset by peer")

[18:38:41]

wagnerrp:

now Shadow__X1, you need to turn that radio off, its distracting everyone

[18:38:56]

sphery:

gbee: so, if you were making a patch that calculates some percentage into the recording to take the preview image and you decided that it's probably easiest to do the calculations in NuppelVideoPlayer::GetScreenGrabAtFrame() since it has access to totalFrames, would you a) add a new bool arg to NuppelVideoPlayer::GetScreenGrab() and NuppelVideoPlayer::GetScreenGrabAtFrame() specifying that secondsIn/frameNumber is the ...

[18:39:00]

iamlindoro:

yes, young kormoc, then everyone would die in a fire. And they all lived happily ever after. Now go to bed.

[18:39:02]

sphery:

... (additional) preroll offset versus recommended location for preview or b) try to figure out the total length of the recording in PreviewGenerator::GetScreenGrab()?

[18:39:09]

** kormoc snoozes **

[18:39:09]

krisb:

kormoc: obviously fire only spreads over dialup links

[18:39:14]

krisb:

duh

[18:39:28]

juski:

time to concoct that -dev email

[18:40:01]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=scopeukf@cpc2-mfld11-0-0-cust971.nott.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:40:47]

iamlindoro:

DO IT

[18:40:55]

iamlindoro:

Need my VWBLs

[18:41:54]

iamlindoro:

Then again, the Blu ray subtitle guy hasn't gotten anything but an attaboy from me so far :)

[18:42:43]

krisb:

sphery: would I get 5.1 dts out of such an adapter? I didn't know they existed

[18:42:48]

krisb:

conflicting info on google

[18:42:50]

kormoc:

You need some VoltsWagon Beetle Logos?

[18:43:07]

iamlindoro:

Very Wide Booby Ladies?

[18:43:12]

wagnerrp:

volts?

[18:43:22]

sphery:

iamlindoro: You gave him 10^-18 boy? Wonder what happened to the rest of the boy...

[18:43:35]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, wide and thin? Interesting choice there

[18:43:46]

dubstar_04 (dubstar_04!n=sandal@cpc1-warr4-0-0-cust672.bagu.cable.ntl.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[18:43:56]

sphery:

krisb: S/PDIF can do AC-3 and DTS, but HDMI can do many formats that S/PDIF can't

[18:44:07]

kormoc:

Ha! Mint's yelling at my over-spending this month on Apple hardware

[18:44:13]

sphery:

it's likely not an adapter going HDMI->DVI & S/PDIF, but a converter

[18:44:20]

iamlindoro:

The Franklin Mint?

[18:44:26]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, mint.com

[18:44:27]

iamlindoro:

You know you can't spend those commemorative coins, right?

[18:44:33]

kormoc:

awesome service

[18:44:39]

sphery:

which may be complicated by the fact that HDMI is trying to protect the precious video/audio from theives

[18:44:47]

iamlindoro:

The George W. Bush inaugural dollar is not legal tender

[18:44:49]

iamlindoro:

says so right there

[18:44:52]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, really? It's all I have these days!?!?!

[18:44:59]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: it is in Liberia

[18:45:11]

AndyCap:

All your accounts in one place?

[18:45:22]

krisb:

well I guess I will just have to shell out for a more expensive receiver :/

[18:45:26]

AndyCap:

so it's easy to just empty all of them and flee to bahamas

[18:45:34]

kormoc:

AndyCap, nah, it's read only access

[18:45:54]

krisb:

either that or find a decent USB soundcard

[18:45:57]

AndyCap:

kormoc: the site sure, the corrupt sysadmin isn't

[18:46:01]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:46:17]

kormoc:

meh, they're FDIC insured, so they're as safe as my bank itself

[18:46:18]

AndyCap:

more than 7,000 US financial institutions, saving you hours of tedious data entry.

[18:46:21]

sphery:

krisb: you could use your sound card to do S/PDIF ... does your receiver have DVI input?

[18:46:42]

sphery:

if so, then just don't use HDMI out and use DVI, instead

[18:46:50]

sphery:

assuming your computer/video card has DVI out

[18:47:23]

krisb:

well its a laptop, so not alot I can do, only HDMI out

[18:47:28]

AndyCap:

*cough* We ask for your online banking user name and passwords so that we can connect securely to your financial institutions

[18:47:32]

sphery:

ahhhh

[18:47:47]

krisb:

well analog sound and VGA aswell

[18:47:50]

sphery:

well, then there's the "get a proper myth frontend" recommendation, but...

[18:48:00]

krisb:

in time :p

[18:48:05]

kormoc:

AndyCap, heh, my bank asks for my online backing user name and password so I can connect securely to them... it's all good

[18:48:16]

sphery:

just another reason that small is annoying

[18:48:27]

tmkt (tmkt!n=tmkt@nat/yahoo/x-7626aa412d16f476) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:48:27]

sphery:

VGA is likely not bad output

[18:48:29]

kormoc:

just get a mac mini! ;)

[18:48:39]

sphery:

D/A and A/D converters are pretty darn good these days

[18:48:41]

krisb:

wouldn't be a problem if the receiver supported HDMI audio like it was supposed to

[18:48:52]

sphery:

almost like they've been making them for 50+ years

[18:49:04]

krisb:

well the HDMI video is fine

[18:49:26]

juski:

the A/D in my cheap Â£50 condenser mic is very very good indeed

[18:49:29]

krisb:

currently just doing analog output

[18:49:44]

krisb:

will have to find more RCA cables though

[18:49:44]

AndyCap:

kormoc: your bank is not a man-in-the-middling you. :)

[18:50:23]

AndyCap:

krisb: hahah, you have one of those dud receivers that only do hdmi switching?

[18:50:33]

krisb:

yep

[18:50:36]

sphery:

not recommending the supplier or the adapter, itself, but http://www.hdtvsupply.com/hdtodvico.html

[18:50:37]

krisb:

apparently

[18:50:47]

kormoc:

AndyCap, heh, well, *I* don't know that ;)

[18:50:54]

AndyCap:

oh. look, we have hdmi. oh wait, no we don't we just stuck a crappy 50$ switch in.

[18:51:13]

kormoc:

AndyCap, one corrupt SA and they have my info in plaintext

[18:51:49]

sphery:

AndyCap: something they do to avoid HDMI licensing fees/crypto issues?

[18:52:10]

califdreas (califdreas!n=andreas@netblock-68-183-201-212.dslextreme.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:52:20]

AndyCap:

sphery: dunno, not sure why they even bother, and it's on somewhat expensive gear too

[18:52:33]

AndyCap:

like cambridge audio R6xx something

[18:52:41]

AndyCap:

and some NAD amps

[18:52:46]

krisb:

http://www.hdtvsupply.com/gehdtodvidia.html

[18:52:58]

krisb:

might aswell get a better receiver for that price

[18:53:02]

krisb:

yeah, its a NAD T737

[18:53:04]

AndyCap:

I mean, why else would I bother to stick hdmi in the amp if not for sound

[18:53:30]

krisb:

guess I will have to shell out for the T765

[18:53:43]

AndyCap:

krisb: iirc. that doesn't do it either

[18:53:50]

sphery:

krisb: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdet . . . ;lid=1003761

[18:53:51]

AndyCap:

krisb: if thats the one my friend bought

[18:53:56]

krisb:

hm

[18:54:20]

sphery:

yeah, getting HDMI audio to S/PDIF is expensive because it has to recode any non-supported formats

[18:54:29]

sphery:

but getting HDMI video to DVI-D is easy/cheap

[18:54:36]

AndyCap:

krisb: hahaha. weasel speak right here # 3 1080p HDMI Video Inputs switch to 1 Output, freely assignable

[18:54:40]

AndyCap:

http://nadelectronics.com/products/av-receive . . . und-Receiver

[18:54:40]

krisb:

what the hell is the point of adding HDMI then

[18:54:44]

krisb:

assholes

[18:54:53]

krisb:

err, sorry sphery :p

[18:54:57]

krisb:

don't get offended

[18:55:00]

juski:

krisb: which make/model receiver is it?

[18:55:05]

krisb:

juski: NAD T737

[18:55:19]

sphery:

because it protects content makes from theives like us who want to steal the content that we pay for by using it on unapproved software/hardware

[18:55:30]

juski:

woo wouldn't have expected that from them. naughty

[18:55:33]

krisb:

a HDMI switch protects content? really?

[18:55:44]

sphery:

krisb: I'm not so much offended as just trying to keep you from getting kicked

[18:55:59]

sphery:

it's a channel policy/courtesy

[18:56:06]

krisb:

yeah will try to remember

[18:56:19]

krisb:

just slightly pissed off that I didn't get what I thought I was getting

[18:56:44]

krisb:

guess the "best" solution is a USB soundcard then

[18:56:47]

AndyCap:

krisb: hmm, not sure, maybe T765 has hdmi audio

[18:56:55]

krisb:

or a proper mythfrontend, but oh well

[18:57:05]

sphery:

I think the best is wagnerrp's recommendation--return the non-functional receiver

[18:57:20]

krisb:

AndyCap: I was under the impression tha it has, but then again I thought this one had it too

[18:57:23]

wagnerrp:

i like my recommendation too

[18:57:25]

krisb:

well I kinda need a receiver

[18:57:38]

wagnerrp is now known as someone_else

[18:57:41]

someone_else:

yeah, good idea

[18:57:42]

sphery:

yeah, return and get one that does what it claims

[18:57:44]

someone_else is now known as wagnerrp

[18:57:51]

sphery:

seems we're all in agreement, then :)

[18:57:58]

sphery is now known as everyone

[18:58:05]

gbee:

heh, can't find any consistent or definitive method of totally disabling DPMS on ubuntu >:(

[18:58:05]

krisb:

apparently if even the T765 doesn't support it, I can't afford one

[18:58:07]

everyone:

Yeah, wagnerrp's idea is great!

[18:58:08]

krisb:

will have to look into it

[18:58:10]

everyone is now known as sphery

[18:58:17]

sphery:

Yep, everyone agrees!

[18:58:29]

AndyCap:

krisb: I thinks T765 might support it, but no definite proof

[18:58:33]

iamlindoro is now known as everyone_cool

[18:58:39]

everyone_cool:

actually, those are horrible ideas

[18:58:49]

everyone_cool is now known as iamlindoro

[18:58:52]

** AndyCap is happy with his cheap second hand denon. :) **

[18:58:53]

iamlindoro:

wow, that guy has a point

[18:58:54]

krisb:

says HDMI switching though

[18:58:59]

sphery:

gbee: don't you love the config-less X configuration :)

[18:59:22]

sphery:

config-less = less able to configure than before

[18:59:37]

wagnerrp is now known as iam1indoro

[18:59:42]

iam1indoro:

man, im such a tool!

[18:59:45]

iam1indoro is now known as wagnerrp

[18:59:48]

iamlindoro:

IMPOSTER!

[18:59:49]

krisb:

yeah, I especially love the AllowEmptyInput default setting of true

[18:59:56]

sphery:

I'm so confused

[19:00:00]

gbee:

with all respect to the mythbuntu devs/packagers, (well ubuntu generally) I can't figure out why it's even enabled in the first place

[19:00:00]

krisb:

that makes it delete the keyboard and mouse

[19:00:11]

sphery:

wagnerdoro made a good point

[19:00:11]

krisb:

and make me think I stumpled upon an NVIDIA bug I had before

[19:00:16]

sphery:

or was that iamrp?

[19:00:20]

krisb:

took me a while to figure out the computer was still running

[19:00:21]

iamlindoro:

sphergnerdoro?

[19:00:56]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, for myth frontends it makes little sense

[19:01:09]

sphery:

(and for dedicated backends, starting X makes little sense)

[19:01:14]

kormoc:

DOPPLEGANGER!

[19:01:27]

** AndyCap blames less able to configure on driver rewrites instead of autoconfig **

[19:01:35]

sphery:

kormoc: they're actually robots

[19:01:52]

krisb:

AndyCap: T775 has HDMI audio, T765 doesn't

[19:02:02]

AndyCap:

krisb: achaa.

[19:02:06]

sphery:

AndyCap: but if it automatically configures it the way it wants instead of letting you configure it...

[19:02:13]

AndyCap:

krisb: found out my friend uses T755

[19:02:36]

AndyCap:

sphery: well, if overriding it in xorg.conf doesn't work that's a bug. :)

[19:02:47]

krisb:

thats a little out of my budget considering I already spent way too much on the speakers and 1080p projector

[19:03:11]

AndyCap:

krisb: find a used denon AVR-2807?

[19:03:17]

sphery:

AndyCap: oh... I had heard you shouldn't have an xorg.conf, anymore

[19:03:35]

AndyCap:

sphery: don't need to and shouldn't are not the same

[19:03:41]

sphery:

will admit I don't have a clubuntu about the distro, though

[19:03:58]

AndyCap:

I had to tell my X server to ignore the vga output on the G45

[19:05:11]

krisb:

I still think the easiest solution would just be an external USB soundcard

[19:05:18]

gbee:

I suspect some bright spark at Ubuntu thought "If we prevent DPMS being disabled we'll save the life of a Polar bear!"

[19:05:28]

krisb:

I already need a USB cable for the IR receiver and RS232 adapter anyway

[19:05:38]

juski:

heh this is one grovelling email

[19:06:04]

sphery:

gbee: which may then attack/kill some poor person and further reduce global power usage

[19:06:08]

gbee:

whereas I'm just about frustrated enough to go on a polar bear killing spree as a result

[19:07:01]

Scopeuk:

gbee we down to hand to hand yet or still weaponised?

[19:07:06]

juski:

krisb: for the sake of $5 for a USB soundcard with SPDIF...

[19:07:31]

krisb:

$5?

[19:07:41]

krisb:

probably more than that to get something decent

[19:07:48]

juski:

yeah you don't need anything hi-fi if you just plan to use the SPDIF port

[19:08:32]

juski:

since any fancy DSP BS on the card won't be used if all you do is pass data through the port ;)

[19:08:36]

sphery:

gbee: Oh the Ubuntu... And all the polar bears screaming around here. I told you; it--I can't even talk to polar bears. Their friends are out there.

[19:08:56]

krisb:

I suppose as long as I can pass DTS 5.1 through it it'll be fine

[19:09:05]

krisb:

I have no clue about what SPDIF supports thoug

[19:09:05]

sphery:

(maybe too much additional context, but didn't know if the Ubuntu/humanity link would be clear...)

[19:09:18]

juski:

krisb: up to DTS

[19:10:06]

sphery:

krisb: 2-channel stereo uncompressed PCM and 5.1-ch encoded AC-3 and DTS

[19:10:32]

plb__ (plb__!n=plb@pool-96-250-255-43.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:10:34]

sphery:

but not any of the "high-definition" audio formats in HDMI

[19:10:58]

plb__:

hrm I've seemed to have done something. When I'm in program guide I no longer have a tiny picture of livetv in the corner..anyone know how I get that back?

[19:10:59]

iamlindoro:

Read: TrueHD, E-AC3, DTS-HD MA, DTS-HD, etc.

[19:11:09]

iamlindoro:

by not using VDPAU

[19:11:14]

sphery:

plb__: did you upgrade to trunk?

[19:11:21]

plb__:

no

[19:11:28]

iamlindoro:

and not using backports with VDPAU

[19:11:28]

juski:

wah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[19:11:33]

juski:

you fail :)

[19:11:51]

krisb:

well I guess I can live with that for now, I will go back to the store after work and let them know what I think of their creative HDMI marketing

[19:11:58]

krisb:

tomorrow

[19:12:11]

sphery:

plb__: did you change the settings, "Display thumbnail preview images of recordings" and/or "Display live preview of recordings"

[19:12:30]

plb__:

hrm, where is that under?

[19:12:36]

juski:

hrm. I should pare this hack down to try & do what it's meant to do. my changes to button positioning code will prolly just aggravate things

[19:12:53]

** sphery can't wait until trunk becomes 0.22 and this issue gets easier--"You're using a theme that doesn't do preview images." **

[19:13:06]

iamlindoro:

sphery: "Or are using VDPAU"

[19:13:17]

juski:

the extra areas were deprecated? haha

[19:13:31]

iamlindoro:

as VDPAU = no preview image no matter what EPG screen you are on

[19:13:31]

juski:

I always hated those optional bits

[19:13:48]

juski:

I thought accelerated previews were working in trunk

[19:13:50]

sphery:

yeah, it's now completely determined by the theme

[19:14:16]

sphery:

plb__: Utilities/Setup|Settings|TV Settings|Playback

[19:14:19]

sphery:

plb__: many pages in

[19:14:24]

sphery:

s/pages/screens/

[19:14:26]

juski:

sphery: on the down side, "hey, mind accepting this patch to bring the preview back?"

[19:14:34]

sphery:

sheesh, sphery, it's not a web site...

[19:15:02]

sphery:

juski: heh, yeah, but now that goes to all you abused theme developers instead of the Myth bug tracking database

[19:15:21]

sphery:

er, well, OK, we're sure to see at least a dozen or so invalid ones in the Myth bug tracking database....

[19:16:23]

juski:

gbee: y'know what's really killing me about this variable button thing now? I think I remember being consulted about whether parent sizes should get changed to those of the children & I said naw, why would that ever be useful...

[19:17:03]

meshe:

hehe

[19:17:12]

Defense|Twin (Defense|Twin!n=jepz@e177235047.adsl.alicedsl.de) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[19:17:14]

juski:

stupid wise-after-the-event idiot I am. Meh

[19:17:35]

Defense|Twin (Defense|Twin!n=jepz@e177235047.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:17:36]

Dagmar:

Button sizes should be weighted based on how often they are used

[19:18:19]

meshe:

make the "Watch TV" button | | big

[19:20:28]

sphery:

meshe: I really think Watch TV should be changed to Watch LiveTV...

[19:20:37]

sphery:

gotta get some dev to agree with me on that one...

[19:20:55]

meshe:

or just Live TV, but I agree with you

[19:21:20]

meshe:

i also like the oft suggested "Test Tuners"

[19:21:31]

sphery:

new users probably don't expect that the right way to watch TV is to use Media Library to get to Watch Recordings instead of using Watch TV

[19:21:47]

sphery:

or Waste Time

[19:22:00]

sphery:

or Waste-Your-LifeTV

[19:22:14]

meshe:

commercial? whats a commercial?

[19:23:05]

meshe:

oooh, there you go, "Watch Commercials"

[19:24:22]

sphery:

nice...

[19:24:24]

sphery:

I like that one

[19:25:03]

plb__ (plb__!n=plb@pool-96-250-255-43.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[19:25:23]

sphery:

guess he /had/ flipped one of those switches?

[19:28:40]

krisb:

hmm, VDPAU audio sync problems with nvidia drivers 180.60

[19:28:46]

krisb:

guess I will have to go beta

[19:31:40]

Dagmar:

More crazy IRC rumors.

[19:32:28]

wagnerrp:

180.60? i thought .51 was the last release before they went to the 185 branch

[19:32:56]

GreyFoxx:

the 185 stuff is horribly broken for me

[19:33:01]

GreyFoxx:

and I've seen many reports of it here

[19:33:12]

juski:

time to reboot into loonix

[19:34:08]

Dagmar:

Hency, "crazy IRC rumors"

[19:34:23]

Dagmar:

That and it's generally freaking pointless to report bugs that may or may not occur with out of date driver versions.

[19:34:47]

iamlindoro:

185 also very broken for me

[19:34:50]

Dagmar:

185.18.14 came out over two weeks ago

[19:37:16]

juski:

and rm -rf libs, then svn up... then hack the patch to bits...

[19:37:23]

dewman (dewman!n=yomama@lennon-ubr-64-85-156-97.power-net.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:38:24]

juski:

wonder whatever happened to all the menu themes anyway.. nobody seemed to deviate from 'default' or the old way

[19:38:34]

GreyFoxx:

ooop beta is now 190.16

[19:38:38]

dewman (dewman!n=yomama@lennon-ubr-64-85-156-97.power-net.net) has quit ("Thats all folks!")

[19:39:12]

sphery:

juski: yeah, there's default, DVR, and Classic

[19:39:23]

sphery:

and IIRC, Classic is /very/ close to default

[19:39:32]

coldpenguin:

What is a good theme to use from trunk now then?

[19:39:40]

juski:

I never liked Classic

[19:40:05]

juski:

coldpenguin: of the official ones there's only really Terra right now

[19:40:32]

sphery:

coldpenguin: there's always default, which goes by many names in trunk... G.A.N.T, blue, Titivillus, ...

[19:41:05]

coldpenguin:

Ok, thats good to know. As I 'upgraded' from a .20, all of mine are on an old grey one. May be it is GANT, that rings a bell. But it is very slow compared to what it used to be

[19:41:43]

FR^2 (FR^2!n=frquadra@frquadrat.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:41:50]

sphery:

The old gray theme, she ain't what she used to be. The old gray theme...

[19:42:04]

coldpenguin:

Sorry, just checked, it is GANT

[19:42:22]

juski:

Gray Ancient Nasty Theme

[19:42:25]

gbee:

juski: I'm creating a new menu theme for 0.22, though I'll be honest and say I don't really know how it differs from what's already available

[19:42:55]

juski:

the only time I ever customised a menu theme was erm.. never. I just edit the menu xmls :)

[19:43:17]

juski:

;-)

[19:43:28]

gbee:

just arranges things in a more 'media'-centric way – e.g. http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/filmstrip_menu.png

[19:43:29]

sphery:

I did worse... I don't even use the menus... Just have jumppoints for everything I use.

[19:44:07]

juski:

whoah vertical texts now? Wicked!

[19:44:21]

sphery:

gbee: that's actually a /very/ good way of organizing

[19:44:27]

sphery:

(like, IMHO, warrants replacing default)

[19:44:28]

Dagmar:

For those people who watch with their TVs mounted on the wall sideways by bad contractors

[19:44:32]

Dagmar:

...like over at CNN

[19:44:40]

juski:

next thing, I'll find out I missed arbitrary angle text..

[19:44:40]

sphery:

then we can change current default to NeoClassic

[19:44:55]

sphery:

(as Classic wsa default, then got replaced with a new one and became Classic)

[19:45:04]

juski:

Neo* is popular with geeks, I hear

[19:45:14]

coldpenguin:

Hmm, terra is nice. Certainly different

[19:45:18]

sphery:

heh, we could even put some Matrix-related terms in there...

[19:46:04]

juski:

god, why did I ever mess with the button positioning code?

[19:46:49]

iamlindoro:

The enduring gratitude of those smart enough to know that it's good, useful work?

[19:47:07]

juski:

heh

[19:47:28]

juski:

what I mean is, what I did doesn't play well with the button width changes

[19:47:39]

coldpenguin:

Because you enjoy it kisji

[19:47:41]

coldpenguin:

juski

[19:47:53]

juski:

or something

[19:48:13]

meshe:

if it ain't broke, fix it

[19:49:05]

wagnerrp:

if it aint broke, youre not tinkering hard enough

[19:49:21]

juski:

if it compiles, you're only 5% the way there!

[19:50:28]

juski:

hrm this time the patch didn't fail anywhere. better try it before doing anything else

[19:51:21]

coldpenguin:

is there a good OSD to go along with the new theme?

[19:52:37]

juski:

the OSD hasn't yet been mythui'd

[19:52:55]

coldpenguin:

oh well.

[19:53:02]

coldpenguin:

retro it is then :)

[19:53:22]

gbee:

juski: vertical text is actually a mockup, but yes, it's on my list

[19:53:26]

juski:

I like glass-wide's OSD. Least it's 720p

[19:53:28]

iamlindoro:

Metallurgy's OSD <3

[19:53:53]

dustybin:

gbee: is a smooth moving selector on your list?

[19:53:56]

iamlindoro:

and that's, *cough*, "new ThemeS"

[19:53:57]

coldpenguin:

So, if there isn't a list of what needs to be done, and who is doing it, is there a list of what doesn't work? Like OSD

[19:54:06]

gbee:

dustybin: was until you mentioned it

[19:54:11]

dustybin:

:(

[19:54:17]

iamlindoro:

heh

[19:54:26]

coldpenguin:

Terra is the only one I don't recognised from before.

[19:54:38]

juski:

coldpenguin: that'd be because it's *new(

[19:54:44]

juski:

*new* even

[19:55:07]

juski:

coldpenguin: OSD works fine. it just hasn't been ported to mythui yet

[19:55:14]

iamlindoro:

It is, however, not the only new theme

[19:55:28]

krisb:

lol

[19:55:35]

juski:

coldpenguin: need some help making variable width buttons work if you're so inclined...

[19:55:37]

gbee:

12 months ago it was new, now it's so old that it will soon be moving into the retirement home

[19:55:57]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Heh, obsolescence before completion, I like it ;)

[19:55:59]

juski:

heh how many themes did I curl out in 12 months? ;-) :-P

[19:56:16]

superdug:

curl out?

[19:56:44]

juski:

thats what I said

[19:56:49]

coldpenguin:

At the mo, I am happy to test any patches, and make small tweaks. Need to spend some time reading the code I reckon, until I know where things go.

[19:57:13]

juski:

heh doesn't seem to matter how much time I spend reading code :P

[19:57:15]

coldpenguin:

It seems a little confused, as if there isn't any real , well leadership isn't the right word

[19:57:26]

coldpenguin:

direction?

[19:57:37]

juski:

coldpenguin: if by that you mean there's no guy yelling at people to do his bidding.. then yeah

[19:57:49]

iamlindoro:

That's because OSS project's don't tend to depend on taking orders

[19:57:54]

iamlindoro:

we all work on what is interesting to us

[19:57:58]

coldpenguin:

well, some idea of what features need to be put in place

[19:58:17]

juski:

there are no goals as such, certainly no deadlines

[19:58:21]

coldpenguin:

Trouble is, this is how the guys at work are working, they do what they fancy, and end up with a complete waste of space.

[19:58:28]

coldpenguin:

Mythtv on the other hand, actually works

[19:58:33]

juski:

lucky myth isn't that ;-)

[19:58:49]

Therock_ (Therock_!i=therock@connected.through.eushells.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[19:59:11]

juski:

wonder what happens to my ccache when I'm not looking. having to make all the libs

[19:59:28]

meshe:

i'm pretty sure the main devs get together and decide what major features are going to be for the next release IE: MythUI

[20:00:07]

juski:

meshe: you have any idea when work started on mythui?

[20:00:08]

iamlindoro:

contingent upon someone volunteering to do that work

[20:00:17]

iamlindoro:

Heh, good ol' ticket #12

[20:00:22]

meshe:

lol

[20:00:23]

gbee:

... yeah ... something like that ...

[20:00:29]

tmkt:

should really upgrade the version number it really is too stable and too useful to be version 0.21

[20:00:31]

coldpenguin:

juski, let me look have a bit of time looking through the mythui code, then I will see whether it is an area I can help in at all

[20:00:43]

juski:

coldpenguin: good-o

[20:00:50]

meshe:

tmkt: version numbers don't mean anything

[20:00:54]

gbee:

I like that meshe believes we're that organised ;)

[20:00:56]

meshe:

they are a marketing tool

[20:01:01]

** iamlindoro wonders when juski's e-mail will be done :) **

[20:01:02]

tmkt:

they do to people who think about trying stuff out

[20:01:05]

tmkt:

exactly

[20:01:10]

juski:

iamlindoro: when I'm done cleaning up the patch

[20:01:16]

iamlindoro:

good thing we don't care about anyone trying it out :)

[20:01:42]

meshe:

so myth has a few less users that think that a version number means something ;)

[20:01:47]

mkrufky:

Shadow__X1: wanna try something?

[20:01:48]

meshe:

probably less support issues ;)

[20:01:55]

juski:

there are basically 2 kinds of OSS project I think. Those who are in it for 'teh users' and those who aren't

[20:02:07]

iamlindoro:

Myth aren't

[20:02:09]

iamlindoro:

;)

[20:02:14]

mkrufky:

Shadow__X1: hg clone -r 75aa52e36cc9 http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb ..... maybe that older revision will work

[20:02:26]

coldpenguin:

TBH, when I looked at installing mythtv, 4 maybe 5 years ago, the version number, which I think was something like 0.19 put me off, I waited until 3 years ago. I would have had a lot more time (no wife, lived on my own, nothing else to do) to have done some coding then

[20:02:28]

juski:

interestingly, all the ones who say they're in it for the users don't go by their real names AFAICT

[20:02:50]

juski:

all the devs seem to have mysterious names

[20:03:11]

tmkt:

doesn't matter to be...works great, not complaints always work arounds on the bugs

[20:03:20]

juski:

though maybe that stems from the fact some of them would be fessing up to using stolen dev kits ;-)

[20:03:22]

tmkt:

main peave is the archive one for burning dvds

[20:03:31]

FR^2 (FR^2!n=frquadra@frquadrat.de) has quit ("Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!")

[20:03:37]

tmkt:

can't seem to figure out a way to select the whole bunch of videos and change their recording profile

[20:03:42]

tmkt:

doing it one by one is a pain

[20:04:04]

juski:

a thought occurred to me the other day about OSS programs on windows... wonder how many of them are developed with stolen software :)

[20:04:21]

coldpenguin:

probably a lot

[20:04:41]

meshe:

well, visual studio is free now, so probably a lot less

[20:04:44]

gbee:

and that's why we don't chase users, users have problems, developers have solutions – mythtv is by developers for developers

[20:05:21]

krisb:

yeah, damn users :p

[20:05:24]

tmkt:

would love to help development

[20:05:31]

tmkt:

maybe oct 1st

[20:05:33]

iamlindoro:

if wishes were fishes...

[20:05:37]

tmkt:

after i my layoff from yahoo

[20:05:41]

coldpenguin:

tmkt videos or recordings?

[20:05:51]

tmkt:

recordings

[20:06:00]

krisb:

i would never recommend mythtv to most of my friends

[20:06:09]

meshe:

tmkt: feel free: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

[20:06:10]

krisb:

cause then i would automatically become tech-support for it

[20:06:11]

tmkt:

i would

[20:06:15]

tmkt:

if i could set it up for them

[20:06:18]

juski:

krisb: heh, no intelligent friends huh

[20:06:19]

tmkt:

once its up and running

[20:06:21]

tmkt:

its pretty stable

[20:06:24]

tmkt:

and not many problems

[20:06:24]

krisb:

juski: a few

[20:06:30]

krisb:

which is why I said most

[20:06:36]

meshe:

i built a myth box for my parents and they love it

[20:06:38]

juski:

I have a friend of mine to blame for me getting into mythtv

[20:06:43]

_tux (_tux!n=Miranda@mnch-4d043143.pool.mediaWays.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[20:06:50]

krisb:

well all the intelligent ones moved

[20:06:51]

tmkt:

yup..

[20:06:54]

tmkt:

with my myth box

[20:06:54]

sid3windr:

juski: I guess we all have...

[20:06:57]

tmkt:

i dont miss cable

[20:06:57]

coldpenguin:

Things changed on my system recently, but I would do, i->Add to playlist, on each one, then m->change recording profile. I used to have a playback profile called faster, which well, played things faster

[20:06:59]

sid3windr:

... your friend to blame for getting you into myth

[20:06:59]

juski:

and linux. not even the fact I had to patch the kernel on day 1 put me off...

[20:07:00]

sid3windr:

:]

[20:07:05]

tmkt:

turfed cable..using OTA only

[20:07:13]

tmkt:

seems like the 500gig drive wasn't enough

[20:07:26]

krisb:

I believe I tried mythtv on version 0.12 or something like that ages ago

[20:07:36]

juski:

coldpenguin: I thought about it along those kind of lines before too

[20:07:50]

juski:

maybe one day..

[20:08:06]

juski:

then there's that bloody menu rejig I wanna do too

[20:08:16]

juski:

though that should be a one nighter I think

[20:08:24]

krisb:

though I never managed to set it up completely, the times I tried, as soon as I got livetv and the TV guide I spent more time watching TV than actually setting up the rest

[20:09:01]

meshe:

krisb: hehe, been there... aaaah, it's working, time for a break

[20:09:08]

coldpenguin:

krisb: similar problem for me now. Although it is as soon as it is working, SWMBO is recording/watching something

[20:09:14]

juski:

I think the very 1st time I tried, I was following a howto for an entirely different distro. I gave up after 30 minutes

[20:09:24]

krisb:

yeah I'm kinda there now that I got my speaker system aswell

[20:09:27]

krisb:

watching a movie now

[20:09:33]

tmkt:

so is it possible to change the Recording profiles of all videos at once for archive purposes?

[20:09:44]

meshe:

the first time i tried, i used mythbuntu, 8 hours later i has a working system

[20:09:46]

tmkt:

if I use the don't change, the dvd won't burn

[20:09:50]

juski:

tmkt: nah recording profiles only affect what it recorded

[20:09:55]

krisb:

even with sync issues I'm watching a movie rather than fixing the sync issue

[20:09:55]

juski:

s/it/is

[20:10:01]

juski:

I mean *as* it's recorded

[20:10:09]

tmkt:

when i try burning dvd's, it fails

[20:10:15]

tmkt:

unless i go through, and select LP for all of them

[20:10:32]

tmkt:

then the DVD burns fine

[20:10:40]

krisb:

meshe: no mythbuntu or knoppmyth when I started

[20:10:40]

juski:

there's an auto profile thing isn't there though?

[20:10:41]

sphery:

liquid propane would help, but gasoline is probably easier

[20:11:08]

tmkt:

yeah..but didn't seem to have any effect

[20:11:12]

juski:

something like 'always transcode' or 'never transcode'...

[20:11:21]

coldpenguin:

Ah, it is the recording profile within mytharchive. Different to the one I am thinking of

[20:11:32]

meshe:

krisb: yeah, my first install was 0.20, before that i was just using mythvideo

[20:11:33]

tmkt:

k..will take a look before my next big road trip

[20:11:38]

sphery:

tmkt: really, the problem is likely that the extremely naive code to ensure the total size of the content is smaller than the DVD's capacity is failing

[20:12:07]

tmkt:

it spits out Chapter errors can't find chapter 7 of 6

[20:12:10]

tmkt:

or something like that

[20:12:17]

tmkt:

was 2 weeks ago when i last tried

[20:12:18]

coldpenguin:

You could, if you don't want them any more, transcode them from the media library, recordings screen

[20:12:23]

sphery:

tmkt: so, by choosing long-play (which is really what LP means here) causes it to more aggressively compress the videos

[20:12:26]

coldpenguin:

by that will premanently change them

[20:12:35]

tmkt:

yeah..but i tried EP

[20:12:38]

tmkt:

and got the same error also

[20:12:48]

tmkt:

which compresses more then LP

[20:12:57]

sphery:

hmmm... EP would sound more compressed than LP...

[20:13:01]

tmkt:

yup

[20:13:18]

sphery:

I don't know my mytharchive

[20:13:20]

meshe:

what are those acronyms doing in myth?

[20:13:24]

tmkt:

another thing MythArchive needs is Play All button on the dvd menu

[20:13:42]

juski:

tmkt: so edit the dvdauthor script :)

[20:13:42]

tmkt:

pain in the ass trying to skip to the next episode of curious george while navigating the Pensylvania Hills

[20:13:44]

sphery:

tmkt: yeah, it has themes that do that instead of menu-based playback

[20:14:05]

sphery:

tmkt: there was a thread on it about a week ago

[20:14:10]

tmkt:

Tried 2 of the themes, didn't see the option..

[20:14:11]

tmkt:

ok

[20:14:13]

tmkt:

on here?

[20:14:15]

tmkt:

or in the forums?

[20:14:16]

sphery:

on -users list

[20:14:16]

coldpenguin:

unless it has changed (which is quite possible) there was a mytharchive DVD theme which did a play all only,

[20:14:25]

Dagmar:

Someone's desperately longing for their VHS crap back

[20:14:28]

juski:

there are no mythtv forums. at least no official ones

[20:14:38]

sphery:

tmkt: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/388970#388970

[20:14:54]

sphery:

tmkt: more in there, but unfortunately, the threading got broken

[20:15:07]

Dagmar:

sphery: you should do what I do

[20:15:17]

Dagmar:

Anything top-quoted you just delete and pretend you never saw it.

[20:15:29]

Dagmar:

Muuuch simpler.

[20:15:38]

juski:

anyone who top posts should be banned

[20:15:41]

tmkt:

Sphery

[20:15:42]

tmkt:

thats funnty

[20:15:44]

sphery:

tmkt: the problem, though, is that he didn't specify Pennsylvania Hills for the "long car rides", so I don't know for sure that it will apply

[20:15:45]

tmkt:

exact problem

[20:15:45]

juski:

anyone who posts in html should be banned

[20:15:50]

** coldpenguin thinks Dagmar is anti-windows **

[20:15:59]

** meshe sets mode +b #mythtv-users meshe **

[20:16:14]

tmkt:

he mentioned the long car rides

[20:16:18]

tmkt:

just not PA

[20:16:28]

juski:

wow. he wants to be able to play dvds while driving?

[20:16:29]

sphery:

Dagmar: I have often considered that... I /have/ actually decided not to respond to some questions just because of how mangled the mail was

[20:16:34]

juski:

a darwin award waiting to happen

[20:16:46]

meshe:

juski: for his kids

[20:17:01]

** coldpenguin wishes that outlook actually listened to the checkbox that said: All posts to this address are plain-text only **

[20:17:17]

juski:

God forbid kids be without moving pictures for a couple of hours

[20:17:35]

tmkt:

juski

[20:17:37]

psipsi (psipsi!n=psipsi@rrcs-71-42-17-155.se.biz.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[20:17:37]

sphery:

coldpenguin: well, since Outlook can't properly convert its own format to plain text, the point is probably moot :)

[20:17:38]

tmkt:

14 hr drive

[20:17:43]

pizzledizzle (pizzledizzle!n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:17:44]

tmkt:

from Toronto to Virginia Beach

[20:18:11]

psipsi (psipsi!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:18:12]

juski:

14 hour drive? christ on a bike. Don't they have planes over there yet?

[20:18:19]

tmkt:

yeah

[20:18:19]

meshe:

what did parents do before in-car dvd players?

[20:18:28]

tmkt:

spank their kids

[20:18:32]

tmkt:

and no car seats

[20:18:38]

wagnerrp:

teach their kids how to entertain themselves

[20:18:43]

juski:

play I-Spy :D

[20:18:46]

juski:

fight a lot

[20:18:48]

wagnerrp:

hopefully not sing

[20:18:49]

tmkt:

that works for a couple hours

[20:18:53]

meshe:

tell them about the area they are travelling through

[20:18:56]

meshe:

play games

[20:18:57]

juski:

tranqs? :D

[20:18:58]

tmkt:

fight a lot is the right one

[20:19:02]

meshe:

give them a book

[20:19:08]

meshe:

sleep

[20:19:15]

juski:

chloroform?

[20:19:38]

coldpenguin:

I don't have kids, but I can certainly see the attraction of having a DVD player in the car for a 14 hour drive to stop the little rug-rats from moaning and complaining

[20:19:47]

shadash (shadash!n=shadn@bbasa1.bakbone.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[20:20:05]

coldpenguin:

Trouble with sleep (and definitely chloroform) is that they'll wake up with a hell of a headache

[20:20:06]

tmkt:

yup

[20:20:13]

kormoc:

meh

[20:20:15]

tmkt:

the first 5–6 hours np

[20:20:21]

tmkt:

then next 2 hours...some tv

[20:20:22]

sphery:

Or just put a sticker on the car window that looks like the bezel of a nice HDTV...

[20:20:23]

kormoc:

we slept a lot in the car

[20:20:24]

tmkt:

the rest

[20:20:24]

wagnerrp:

we bought a 8" TV with a cigarette jack, and a bunch of tapes, when we went out west

[20:20:25]

tmkt:

sleeping

[20:20:28]

juski:

just leave em at home. Macauley Culkin coped just fine

[20:20:55]

sphery:

and look how well he turned out ;)

[20:21:04]

kormoc:

he is a prince!

[20:21:09]

meshe:

i've been taking the laptop on road trips for years

[20:21:11]

kormoc:

(reference to kings)

[20:21:19]

wagnerrp:

theres not much else you can do to prevent insanity during 600 miles of Kansas

[20:21:30]

kormoc:

Sure there is

[20:21:31]

wagnerrp:

look kids! more corn!

[20:21:46]

tmkt:

or more highway

[20:21:51]

sphery:

Look kids! Big Ben! Parliament!

[20:21:52]

meshe:

haha, sounds like montana, 12 hours of Wheat

[20:21:56]

tmkt:

or lets play how many transport trucks can we count

[20:21:56]

kormoc:

See how long you can go without touching the steering wheel and having a so freaking out at how close to the edge you are!

[20:21:59]

wagnerrp:

i spy with my little eye, something yellow

[20:22:29]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: that depends on how good the alignment on your car is

[20:22:36]

wagnerrp:

its not like the road is going to turn

[20:22:42]

kormoc:

sure

[20:22:45]

tmkt:

yeah...looks like i learned my lesson....autoplay theme next time

[20:22:47]

kormoc:

but you can try to correct!

[20:22:53]

meshe:

kormoc: in montana about 50 miles

[20:22:58]

tmkt:

or hack my car so the video plays on the front tv when the car is in drive

[20:22:58]

juski:

erm... hmmm. patch no worky

[20:23:05]

kormoc:

if you know you drift to the left, set it to the right slightly...

[20:23:22]

kormoc:

meshe, I don't think I made above 10 in my road trip :(

[20:23:42]

Therock_ (Therock_!i=therock@connected.through.eushells.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:25:32]

meshe:

kormoc: in montana?

[20:26:24]

kormoc:

Aye, and North Dakota

[20:26:59]

meshe:

ahhh, been about 13 years since i've been there though

[20:27:20]

meshe:

my favorite part was driving past a cop at 100 MPH

[20:27:20]

kormoc:

New Jersey -> Pennsylvania -> Ohio -> Michigan -> Indiana -> Illinois -> Wisconsin -> Minnesota -> North Dakota -> Montana -> Idaho -> Washington

[20:27:30]

kormoc:

hehe, didn't pull ya over?

[20:27:40]

meshe:

nope, he turned around and went the other way

[20:27:43]

kormoc:

heh

[20:28:00]

kormoc:

I was clocked at 110 MPG in North Dakota, was a $35 ticket iirc

[20:28:19]

Dagmar:

They fine you for driving a gas-efficient vehicle there?

[20:28:29]

tmkt:

:D

[20:28:38]

kormoc:

heh, whoops, MPH

[20:28:40]

meshe:

lol

[20:28:57]

kormoc:

my car doesn't even get 20 MPG...

[20:29:04]

meshe:

i was *just* out of town limits when i saw him

[20:29:32]

** juski tries changing a const to non-const. gotta do something **

[20:31:00]

juski:

need MOARGHZ

[20:31:12]

juski:

change one line in a mythui bit and erm..

[20:31:25]

meshe:

need distcc

[20:31:39]

juski:

would help if I used the same distro version throughout :P

[20:31:58]

kormoc:

ccache!

[20:32:17]

meshe:

actually a friend of mine maintains the distcc packages for gentoo

[20:32:18]

juski:

got ccache

[20:33:10]

gbee:

I wish HTML email would die

[20:33:12]

juski:

doesn't help when the lib you change is this high up in the food chain

[20:33:25]

gbee:

uh, ignore me

[20:33:42]

meshe:

/ignore gbee

[20:33:44]

meshe:

whoops

[20:34:26]

meshe:

;)

[20:36:41]

juski:

next time I play with mythui.. oh wait.. hrm, okay maybe then... I'll need a much faster CPU

[20:37:49]

juski:

change one line in mythuitype.cpp & mythuitype.h & it's redoing channelbase.cpp & beyond lol

[20:38:23]

andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B975EA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:39:00]

juski:

maybe this is why it's not done yet – my machine is too slow to allow the stabby methodology I employ to try lots of changes til something sticks

[20:39:39]

sphery:

yeah, plus since the Qt4 switch linking is /extremely/ slow

[20:39:52]

sphery:

(think it's Qt, not Myth causing that)

[20:42:53]

Dagmar:

Yes, but...

[20:43:06]

Dagmar:

Would you rather have slow linking or a bufu'd rpath?

[20:43:44]

jaco (jaco!n=chatzill@195-240-245-150.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:44:03]

coldpenguin:

Seeing as it takes around an hour and a half for my machine to compile...., I think I would like the link to work

[20:44:14]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

[20:44:27]

Dagmar:

Qt4 sucks, but it sucks in marginally less painful ways than Qt3 did.

[20:46:05]

gbee:

ccache

[20:47:27]

jaco:

good evening, i've been trying to get mythtv to get going for 3 weeks now only thing i get is "V4L:/dev/video0 in unavaible" i did my research i did about every wiki and howto you can find, with the same result over and over again, i did about a million reinstall which is no fun with gentoo, and still the same result, now i'm really pissed off and i can use some help for my next step is...

[20:47:28]

jaco:

...:trowing the darn machine out of the window

[20:48:01]

juski:

gbee: got ccache already

[20:48:43]

coldpenguin:

jaco, what kind of capture card do you have? Does the file /dev/video0 exist on your system?

[20:48:52]

jaco:

CX23880/1/2/3

[20:49:00]

jaco:

using the V4L interface

[20:49:14]

jaco:

yes is exist runs with mplayer

[20:49:14]

iamlindoro:

not chipset, actual brand and model

[20:49:15]

coldpenguin:

Ok, so you are using a connexant chipset, card, I assume that is DVB-S

[20:49:32]

tmkt:

yeah...DVB

[20:49:36]

tmkt (tmkt!n=tmkt@nat/yahoo/x-7626aa412d16f476) has left #mythtv-users ()

[20:49:38]

jaco:

nope, this model doesn't have DVB

[20:49:53]

coldpenguin:

Is it a satellite card?

[20:50:01]

jaco:

nope just annelog

[20:50:36]

jaco:

00:0c.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 03)

[20:50:38]

jaco:

00:0c.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] (rev 03)

[20:51:25]

coldpenguin:

Ok, then the error message, I would think, could be that something else has grabbed exclusive use of the card. Not meaning to be rude, but I assume you closed mplayer before running mythbackend and mythtv-setup

[20:52:19]

jaco:

yup i did

[20:52:24]

jaco:

dhcppc0 ~ # lsof | grep /dev/video0

[20:52:25]

jaco:

dhcppc0 ~ #

[20:53:45]

coldpenguin:

learn something new every day, didn't realise you could use lsof on a character device

[20:54:06]

gbee:

jeez – http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/21/fixconn_suicide/

[20:55:10]

coldpenguin:

I ain't hot on the analogue devices

[20:55:27]

jaco:

holland ;)

[20:56:28]

gbee:

heh, and dd-wrt has a nasty vunerability

[20:56:44]

laga:

gbee: ouch. url?

[20:56:51]

laga:

i use openwrt on both of my wrts

[20:56:53]

lcase (lcase!n=lcase@p5B0E96B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:56:57]

coldpenguin:

I am in the UK, are you saying you are further behind us when comming to convert to digital, I find that hard to believe. When you select Analogue V4l capture card, what does it say?

[20:57:34]

jaco:

in the back-end ? It let's it self configure, scan channels, the works

[20:57:45]

gbee:

laga: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/21/criti . . . router_vuln/

[20:57:49]

jaco:

only the front-end screws up

[20:58:52]

gbee:

jaco: mythtv-setup running as a different user to mythfrontend?

[20:59:15]

jaco:

nope, did it as mythtv user as as root

[20:59:16]

coldpenguin:

Hmm, frontend shouldn't be opening your card, at least it doesn't on the digital things. Have you selected . under input mapping I think, to open the card on demand?

[20:59:43]

jaco:

coldpenguin: lemme check

[20:59:57]

gbee:

sorry mythbackend

[21:01:14]

coldpenguin:

gbee, did you see the french renault workers who have barricaded their factory with gas cannisters?

[21:01:55]

gbee:

jaco: check permissions all the same

[21:02:22]

jaco:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 Jul 21 19:01 /dev/video0

[21:02:28]

gbee:

coldpenguin: isn't that just a usual Tuesday in France?

[21:02:45]

jaco:

dhcppc0 ~ # groups mythtv

[21:02:47]

jaco:

tty uucp audio video

[21:03:09]

gbee:

ok, guess perms are correct

[21:03:50]

coldpenguin:

Nortel workers saw it on the news, and decided to do the same!

[21:04:05]

laga:

gosh

[21:04:43]

coldpenguin:

you could go the paranoid route, set that file to 777, just in case.

[21:05:11]

kormoc:

all perms is paranoid?

[21:05:45]

coldpenguin:

As in something isn't doing something it should be doing

[21:05:48]

gbee:

coldpenguin: :/

[21:06:24]

jaco:

gonna give it a shot

[21:06:34]

coldpenguin:

Got any other ideas?

[21:06:42]

ideogon (ideogon!n=ideogon@pool-71-178-191-38.washdc.east.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:07:12]

jaco:

coldpenguin: still the same

[21:07:32]

jaco:

the dumb thing is, it used to work in my desktop machine

[21:07:40]

coldpenguin:

Ok, so which item is giving the error, is it mythfrontend, or mythbackend?

[21:07:49]

jaco:

the frontend

[21:07:49]

sphery:

jaco: what about your storage groups directories?

[21:07:57]

sphery:

are they properly defined /and/ perm'ed

[21:08:13]

gbee:

silly thing about it is that gas canisters, at least those little ones, don't actually blow up too easily, it's what made that 'terrorist' attack in London/Glasgow so pathetic, it was never going to explode with any real power

[21:08:39]

jaco:

dhcppc0 ~ # ls /home/mythtv -l

[21:08:41]

jaco:

total 12

[21:08:43]

jaco:

drwxrwxrwx 2 mythtv video 4096 Jul 22 01:00 dbbackup

[21:08:44]

jaco:

drwxrwxrwx 2 mythtv video 4096 Jul 22 01:00 default

[21:08:46]

jaco:

drwxrwxrwx 2 mythtv video 4096 Jul 22 01:00 live

[21:08:47]

gbee:

coldpenguin: just read that a third lot of workers copied the stunt and were rewarded with Â£25,000 each

[21:08:50]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +b %*!*@195-240-245-150.ip.telfort.nl

[21:09:01]

** kormoc eyes jaco **

[21:09:05]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -b %*!*@195-240-245-150.ip.telfort.nl

[21:09:16]

kormoc:

jaco, pastebin please

[21:09:18]

jaco:

soz kormoc

[21:09:19]

coldpenguin:

Wow, should do it myself!

[21:09:44]

** kormoc will blow up #mythtv-users unless he gets a payout of at least, one trillion dollars! **

[21:09:53]

coldpenguin:

What are you doing to reproduce the error? Watch tv, watch recordings????

[21:10:03]

** gbee steps back a safe distance **

[21:10:11]

gbee:

ok kormoc, do your worst

[21:10:19]

jaco:

just request the information option

[21:10:22]

** kormoc blows up like a lemming **

[21:10:23]

jaco:

in the front end

[21:11:16]

gbee:

oooh, confetti!

[21:11:18]

coldpenguin:

So you select, Information center, and the error appears. Does it appear on the command line, or as a pop-up

[21:13:22]

jaco:

i start the frontend, select information center, select system status, select tuner status, and it displays in the right side of the screen: Tuner1 is unavable

[21:13:40]

Defense|Twin (Defense|Twin!n=jepz@e177235047.adsl.alicedsl.de) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[21:13:54]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[21:14:19]

coldpenguin:

ok, so the problem is with the backend. This this a machine which has both the backend and frontend on the same machine?

[21:14:27]

jaco:

yes

[21:15:10]

sebrock (sebrock!n=sebastia@hd5b90669.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[21:15:33]

coldpenguin:

After running mythtv-setup, did you run mythfilldatabase, and was the master backend running at the time (I am assuming that you only have one backend machine here)

[21:15:38]

jaco:

but there is no message of error or warning in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[21:16:48]

jaco:

i did run mythtv-setup with and without backend running, and did filldatabase with backend running, and restarting it afterwards

[21:17:05]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:17:10]

iamlindoro:

not that mythfilldatabase is even remotely relevant

[21:17:33]

coldpenguin:

Is there more that one IP address on the machine?

[21:17:41]

jaco:

nope

[21:18:02]

jaco:

just it's localhost and it's eth0 IP, no extra IP defined

[21:18:13]

jaco:

not even IPv6

[21:18:14]

coldpenguin:

iamlindoro: Might be a bug, but my MBE didn't see my DVB-T tuner cards until I had run it....

[21:18:27]

iamlindoro:

I'll ask one last time: Brand and make of card

[21:18:49]

jpabq0 (jpabq0!n=jpabq@71-38-211-24.albq.qwest.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:18:50]

iamlindoro:

coldpenguin: There is no way whatsoever that that is true

[21:18:53]

coldpenguin:

When you defined the backend IP, did you use localhost, or the IP of eth0? I note that you appear to be a dhcp client?

[21:19:02]

coldpenguin:

Then I shall log it as a bug then!

[21:19:07]

iamlindoro:

mythfilldatabase doesn't get aywehre near card definitions or operations

[21:19:07]

jaco:

it was builded by hauppage, at the time of buying it was called TV-GO ar something like that

[21:19:24]

iamlindoro:

mythfilldatabase fills in listings, the end

[21:19:32]

iamlindoro:

and don't open a bug, because there's no way it happened

[21:19:57]

jaco:

btw it was the 1st version they launched

[21:20:10]

mgisbers is now known as mgisbers_away

[21:20:21]

coldpenguin:

You know more about what happened on my system than I?

[21:20:39]

iamlindoro:

when it comes to this one fact, yep, I do

[21:21:00]

iamlindoro:

There is exactly 0% change that running mythfilldatabase will cause a card to work or not work

[21:21:03]

iamlindoro:

er chance

[21:21:23]

coldpenguin:

Maybe it was coincidence, but I did not get any response/MBE seeing any cards until I had run that command. I restarted sql, mythbackend first, then followed the instructions!

[21:21:31]

coldpenguin:

Anyway, this isn't helping jaco

[21:21:31]

** iamlindoro sighs **

[21:22:17]

sphery:

coldpenguin: it was likely your shutting down the master backend then restarting it that caused it to work

[21:22:18]

meshe:

Screenshot or it's not true <--- sorry had to

[21:22:19]

coldpenguin:

iamlindoro, do you know of the card jaco has?

[21:22:22]

jaco:

iamlindoro: the funny thing is it works with my desktop which is even less of a machine then the one it is in now

[21:22:58]

iamlindoro:

jaco: Your problem probably isn't horsepower-- it's setup

[21:23:05]

sphery:

jaco: are you sure your card/input/video source definitions are good? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[21:23:15]

iamlindoro:

You should pastebin backend logs, starting with the backend starting, and including an attempt to watch TV

[21:23:50]

jaco:

sphery: could it scan channels if it was wrong ?

[21:23:52]

sphery:

gbee: I can't get the exploit to work on my dd-wrt (Kamikaze 7.09)

[21:24:11]

jaco:

iamlindoro: hold on

[21:24:15]

sphery:

jaco: yeah.

[21:24:28]

iamlindoro:

not that you should scan

[21:24:35]

cdpuk (cdpuk!n=chris@cdpuk.cdp.me.uk) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[21:24:46]

sphery:

in Holland, it may be necessary

[21:24:50]

sphery:

even for analog

[21:25:41]

iamlindoro:

should be possible to pull in the channel list from the XMLTV provider, no?

[21:26:11]

coldpenguin:

On, my system here, the backend doesn't like to start if it cannot get the cards.

[21:26:29]

coldpenguin:

2009-07–21 22:24:55.164 DVBChan(41:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Opening DVB frontend device failed.

[21:26:51]

sphery:

iamlindoro: some don't have sufficient info (at least I've been told)

[21:26:52]

jaco:

http://pastebin.com/m3db24091

[21:26:58]

coldpenguin:

But I don't know whether the same checks are done for analogue cards? (obvously different file

[21:27:36]

sphery:

jaco: did you try to start LiveTV?

[21:27:41]

sphery:

no mention of it in the log

[21:27:48]

sphery:

just a client monitor connection from tvbox

[21:27:50]

jaco:

yes, it drops out directly

[21:27:56]

sphery:

(i.e. it said, "I'm here")

[21:28:28]

iamlindoro:

And nothing marking the tuner unavailable either

[21:28:38]

coldpenguin:

hang on, your machine is called tvbox? Your login prompt says dhcpc0

[21:28:45]

coldpenguin:

What is the real hostname?

[21:29:08]

sphery:

yeah, it's definitely a hostname problem

[21:29:19]

jaco:

i only used tvbox as an identifier

[21:29:48]

sphery:

ok, maybe not definitely, but looking that way

[21:30:14]

jaco:

and the real hostname is dhcppc0

[21:30:48]

sphery:

frontend logs to pastebin, please (for the same session)

[21:32:00]

jaco:

http://pastebin.com/m25a8d7f2

[21:32:22]

coldpenguin:

Are you comfortable using mysql?

[21:32:26]

coldpenguin:

mysql -p

[21:32:31]

coldpenguin:

use mythconverg;

[21:32:40]

coldpenguin:

select * from capturecard;

[21:33:55]

jaco:

http://pastebin.com/m484ae964

[21:34:08]

coldpenguin:

The hostname parameter should match exactly the name of the machine, as mythbackend is starting. Your mythbackend doesn't seem to even be trying to open the card

[21:35:44]

sphery:

yeah, your backend has no capture cards

[21:35:50]

sphery:

and your frontend isn't running a backend

[21:35:59]

sphery:

because you have a fake hostname for the frontend

[21:36:01]

sphery:

and not for the backend

[21:36:09]

sphery:

i.e. config.xml fail

[21:36:14]

coldpenguin:

I think your hostname there is wrong. Anyone got bright ideas on the easiest way of changing it? The SQL says that your backend should be called tvbox, but your backend says it should be called dhcppc0

[21:36:18]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@71-38-213-181.albq.qwest.net) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[21:36:27]

jaco:

ehm, it's only configured in the fronted under Utilities/Setup -> setup -> General -> second page

[21:36:32]

sphery:

the /right/ way of changing it is: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[21:36:42]

sphery:

the capture card portion of that, specifically

[21:36:50]

** coldpenguin mutters about the right way :) **

[21:36:57]

sphery:

but it requires running mythtv-setup properly (as the user who runs mythbackend)

[21:37:11]

sphery:

Oh, and the right way will take all of 12 seconds

[21:37:27]

sphery:

you won't lose channels or anything

[21:38:26]

jaco:

"/etc/init.d/mythbackend start" ?

[21:38:27]

coldpenguin:

sphery, do you think that the issue in that thread could effect EIT?

[21:38:43]

** sphery wonders if http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/21/jupiter_impact/ was a brown dwarf fragment colliding with Jupiter **

[21:39:08]

sphery:

coldpenguin: issue in what thread? The Problem Recording one?

[21:39:58]

sphery:

It would have an effect on EIT if your system wasn't properly configured

[21:39:58]

coldpenguin:

Yeah, the problem recording one. I have an issue where my SBE tries to do an EIT scan, but complains about the program not being in PAT, please rescan, although I did a delete all on HOST, then re-scaned

[21:40:24]

sphery:

but chances are--if everything else (LiveTV /and/ recordings) works fine--it's something else

[21:40:45]

sphery:

like you need to switch settings like active eit scanning or something

[21:40:57]

coldpenguin:

My issue, is that it worked for a week, then the SBE stopped filling in the EPG, liveTV is fine, I don't do manual schedules, only search recordings, but I don't think there would be a problem with a custom recording

[21:41:06]

sphery:

coldpenguin: tuning timeouts, then, likely

[21:41:08]

juski:

hahaha.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8159406.stm

[21:41:11]

coldpenguin:

I have selected that the device is available for active scan

[21:41:24]

gbee:

coldpenguin: SELECT name FROM channel WHERE serviceid={number in error};

[21:41:32]

gbee:

will tell you which channel is broken

[21:41:42]

coldpenguin:

Hmm, possible, I looked at that earlier, and wondered why the timeout was 0

[21:41:48]

pizzledizzle (pizzledizzle!n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))

[21:42:05]

gbee:

oh well timeouts being set to zero is a sure way to break it :)

[21:42:14]

coldpenguin:

All my DVB-S is broken. My MBE is DVB-T which works OK, and has the channels set to StandardChans,

[21:42:24]

jaco:

now it sayz not recording, but i cannot check that on a X forwarded session

[21:42:25]

coldpenguin:

SBE is DVB-S and has the channels set in Satellite

[21:42:38]

sphery:

Wow... Free SSD's... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/21/sandforce_pricing/

[21:42:39]

jaco:

let me run down stairs to the darn thing and check it

[21:42:41]

jaco:

brb

[21:42:48]

** sphery begins switching his 6.5TB Myth storage to SSD's **

[21:42:49]

coldpenguin:

@jaco, set a recording, and see whether a file gets created

[21:43:36]

sphery:

coldpenguin: there are different timeouts for different types of cards, so broken timeout could affect some cards and not others

[21:43:37]

coldpenguin:

Ok, will fiddle with the tuning timeout (but I thought that if this was the issue, it would have affected liveTV too)

[21:45:28]

coldpenguin:

So, I have tuning timeout set to 62500 under card setup, and 0 under recording options

[21:45:36]

gbee:

sphery: heh

[21:46:35]

coldpenguin:

Have dumped the recording one up to 700msec, hopefully that'll be enough

[21:46:36]

jaco:

back, and seems to be working now

[21:47:33]

dustybin:

sphery: are you serious?

[21:47:38]

jaco:

but why does the custom identifier for frontend preferences say that this if for saving settings in the description field ?

[21:47:48]

laga:

sphery: thinking about getting the 80G one for my laptop

[21:48:29]

dustybin:

god they are way too expensive at the moment

[21:48:46]

dustybin:

how long do you guys think the HD has left?

[21:49:01]

jaco:

anyways thanks for all the help, you really saved a machine from being trown in the trashcan :)

[21:49:15]

russK (russK!n=russ@ip24-250-126-141.dc.dc.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:49:19]

meshe:

jaco: donate your old hardware

[21:50:11]

jaco:

to be honest, the machine was found in the trash

[21:50:19]

jgarvey (jgarvey!n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-065-013.nc.res.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[21:50:32]

juski:

blimey. ITV1 ad breaks are 2 mins now? fail

[21:50:35]

jaco:

just had to put in some DDR3 memory and it runs like a charm

[21:51:09]

dustybin:

ITV AD BREAK ....................... [FAIL]

[21:51:23]

juski:

must mean they aren't selling ad space

[21:51:38]

sphery:

jaco: the problem was that you ran mythtv-setup wrong

[21:51:43]

dustybin:

who needs ads when you have mythv remote ff :D

[21:51:52]

juski:

dustybin: still need to skip em

[21:51:53]

sphery:

but, then again, you're better off not using custom identifiers, anyway

[21:52:01]

wagnerrp:

sphery: whats this about free SSDs?

[21:52:08]

sphery:

dustybin: if the article says that they're free, they must be...

[21:52:13]

sphery:

after all, it's on the internet

[21:52:16]

jaco:

but like i said thanks a lot guys and girls for helping me out here, i'm off to bed now, the alarm is gonna ring in less then 6 hours from now

[21:52:28]

juski:

'free' as in if you have loads of them, you make the money back in energy savings :-\

[21:52:28]

jaco:

nn all, and thanks again :)

[21:52:29]

coldpenguin:

Hm, starting EIT scan, channel 50847 – Russia Today. Maybe that won't have any EPG. Dran

[21:52:48]

pizzledizzle (pizzledizzle!n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:53:38]

sphery:

Dran sounds like a foreign (or alien) currency

[21:53:49]

iamlindoro:

unit of time

[21:53:55]

iamlindoro:

10,000 Dran ago...

[21:53:55]

jaco (jaco!n=chatzill@195-240-245-150.ip.telfort.nl) has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009070300]")

[21:53:59]

coldpenguin:

Hmm, long unit of time

[21:54:26]

coldpenguin:

Gonna be a long time till is scans, or fails to scan any channel that I can be confident there is any data on

[21:54:27]

kormoc:

4 score and 7 dran ago

[21:54:33]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has quit ("Leaving.")

[21:54:41]

meshe:

what happened to lindoros?

[21:55:05]

iamlindoro:

They've ben deemed highly flammable and thus unsafe for use

[21:55:15]

juski:

they got phased out when the Quagaarrrrs turned up

[21:55:18]

** kormoc stops flicking a lighter and looks around **

[21:55:33]

russK:

hi folks, my gentoo build(s) are broke now (0.21 20877) .... http://pastebin.com/m1a1b785b

[21:55:38]

meshe:

don't you mean the garbage pod?

[21:55:38]

lcase (lcase!n=lcase@p5B0E96B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit ()

[21:55:40]

sphery:

Wow. /In/flammable means flammable? What a country!

[21:55:47]

juski:

iamlindoro: btw you liking torchpoo yet? apparently it's on in your land now

[21:55:51]

sphery:

First time I've /ever/ been able to use that quote twice in one day!

[21:55:55]

iamlindoro:

But now you can set fire to all the useless framegrabbers with kindling of lindoros

[21:56:03]

kormoc:

russK, follow the debugging instructions in the wiki?

[21:56:09]

iamlindoro:

juski: bit of a depress-fest so far

[21:56:14]

sid3windr:

torchpoo?

[21:56:19]

russK:

whoops, i'll go look there

[21:56:25]

sid3windr:

vaguely sounds like a self-compile distro of linux...

[21:56:45]

juski:

sid3windr: cap'n jack loveshimself, welsh gap-tooth lady..

[21:57:02]

coldpenguin:

Still similar errors: http://pastebin.com/d17bd92b8

[21:57:12]

** kormoc wonders if i am lindoro is also flammable **

[21:57:21]

sphery:

russK: and once you figure out how to debug MythTV with gentoo ebuilds, update http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Debuggin . . . ntoo_ebuilds ? (Pretty please!)

[21:57:24]

juski:

in other news, new dr who is gonna be decked out in a dickie bow tie. Meh

[21:57:25]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Yes, but in a different way

[21:57:35]

meshe:

back to your serial killer kick kormoc ?

[21:57:50]

kormoc:

Yeah, it's familiar and comfortable

[21:57:52]

** sphery wonders how long it will be before some distro users start to add info on distro-specific debugging... **

[21:57:56]

juski:

meshe: I heard he has a UPS guy stashed in the garage

[21:57:57]

russK:

I'll do my best sphery

[21:58:02]

** kormoc laughs **

[21:58:07]

meshe:

juski: that wouldn't suprise me

[21:58:22]

kormoc:

sphery, well, really, with Gentoo, all you need to do is emerge with FEATURES="nostrip"...

[21:58:30]

johannes__ (johannes__!n=johannes@rommel.gate.uni-erlangen.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:58:36]

kormoc:

or use kormoc's awesome mythtv ebuilds that do it automatically

[21:58:48]

sphery:

Dexter "kormoc" Smith

[21:58:54]

laga:

kormoc: debug build != profile build

[21:58:58]

sphery:

kormoc: even that is more useful than the nothing that's there :)

[21:59:04]

russK:

i guess it's gonna take me a while to rebuild ... maybe you'll see me back tomorrow ;-)

[21:59:14]

kormoc:

laga, I'm assuming they're smart enough to enable the debug use flag

[21:59:23]

johannes__:

hi, does anyone use xbmc as mythtv frontend? (maybe even the aeon skin?) if so: how did you do it?

[21:59:25]

kormoc:

laga, but with the debug use flag, it still strips the symbols...

[21:59:32]

kormoc:

johannes__, doubtful!

[21:59:34]

sphery:

kormoc: all I know is that users tend to enable debug use flag and it's still stripped because they didn't nostrip and ....

[21:59:47]

coldpenguin:

I am going to bed now, night all

[21:59:48]

sphery:

and I don't use Gentoo, so I can't write up anything

[21:59:59]

laga:

kormoc: ah ;)

[22:00:16]

sphery:

coldpenguin: may your backend fill up your listings with EIT while you sleep

[22:00:49]

coldpenguin:

Doubt it. Just seen in the logs:

[22:01:08]

coldpenguin:

After I change to channel 55251, then exit it:

[22:01:14]

coldpenguin:

2009-07–21 23:00:30.242 Finished recording Unknown: channel 59251

[22:01:23]

coldpenguin:

seems there is something somewhat wrong

[22:01:24]

sphery:

well, it takes a while

[22:01:35]

coldpenguin:

It added 4000 to the channel number!

[22:01:40]

sphery:

coldpenguin: and, you still need to try flipping the active EIT stuff and the open dvb card on demand stuff

[22:01:53]

sphery:

(which has to be in specific (and differing) states for different cards)

[22:02:03]

gbee:

coldpenguin: internal number vs logical number

[22:02:52]

coldpenguin:

I'll leave it overnight, pretty sure it is set to active and open on demand at the moment. Will try alternatives tomorrow

[22:03:12]

gbee:

btw DVB-S or DVB-T?

[22:03:25]

kormoc:

what's the linux command to skip a line or two and then display the rest?

[22:03:28]

coldpenguin:

DVB-S on this one.

[22:03:30]

kormoc:

(reverse head)

[22:03:37]

coldpenguin:

tail?

[22:03:47]

kormoc:

nah, tail gives the last N

[22:03:52]

kormoc:

I want all but the first n

[22:04:06]

coldpenguin:

dunno

[22:04:10]

gbee:

you want active on, on-demand doesn't matter but with active on it's always going to be in demand so essentially nullifying that setting

[22:04:27]

kormoc:

ooh, tail will do it, it seems

[22:04:34]

coldpenguin:

k=`grep -c ^ FILE`; let y=`$k-N`; tail -$y FILE

[22:04:37]

coldpenguin:

if all else fails

[22:04:52]

kormoc:

tail -n+2

[22:04:57]

gbee:

I think tail would suffice ;)

[22:05:01]

coldpenguin:

ok, will check tomorrow. Thanks all

[22:06:55]

sphery:

kormoc: wouldn't reverse head be: tac | tail

[22:06:56]

sphery:

:)

[22:07:17]

kormoc:

heh

[22:09:40]

jpabq0 (jpabq0!n=jpabq@71-38-211-24.albq.qwest.net) has quit ()

[22:10:52]

kormoc:

sphery, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Rebuild_ . . . mbols_intact

[22:10:57]

kormoc:

in theory, that /should/ do the trick

[22:11:31]

sphery:

kormoc: thx

[22:11:47]

sphery:

now to get those lazy *buntu and Red Hat users to do their parts

[22:12:25]

laga:

sphery: hum

[22:12:33]

laga:

guess i could write the ubuntu part

[22:13:02]

laga:

after catching some sleep ;)

[22:13:11]

sphery:

laga: even just getting the names of repos to enable and packages to install would be huge

[22:13:34]

laga:

sphery: i did a write-up once, just need to look over it to make sure it's still correct

[22:13:35]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@71-38-211-24.albq.qwest.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:13:38]

sphery:

(but it can definitely wait--it's been waiting for a long time already, so a little more is no problem)

[22:14:00]

kormoc:

sphery, you need to poke me more often on the Gentoo stuff, I really should be documenting that a bit more :)

[22:14:09]

** kormoc should also document his mac mini install **

[22:14:13]

** laga away **

[22:14:23]

laga:

oh. sorry. didn't mean to type /me

[22:14:32]

kormoc:

up up and?

[22:15:04]

sphery:

kormoc: since you already contribute a lot (with the exception of the MythWeb Python rewrite), I was really hoping a user (who may not be able to contribute code) would do it

[22:15:21]

kormoc:

Heh, fair 'nuff :)

[22:15:34]

new2linx (new2linx!n=daniel@cpe-173-89-33-87.wi.res.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[22:15:37]

sphery:

not that I don't appreciate your doing it--just that you give more than your share, already :)

[22:15:59]

mazda01 (mazda01!n=daniel@cpe-173-89-33-87.wi.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:16:11]

kormoc:

ooh, also fyi, any updates blow that away, so they might need to redo it after version bumps

[22:16:46]

grantm (grantm!n=grant@68.142.138.4) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:16:50]

sphery:

that's probably a good thing as they really wouldn't want to run debug or profile all the time

[22:21:27]

** russK thinks this is doing it : # FEATURES="nostrip" USE="debug" --ask --verbose --nodeps =media-tv/mythtv-0.21_p20877 **

[22:21:44]

russK:

with an "emerge" in there

[22:22:35]

cynicismic (cynicismic!n=rclark@94-194-202-107.zone8.bethere.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:23:17]

kormoc:

nah, you'll want to do what I did so you also compile the plugins with debugging, incase it's a plugin crash

[22:23:41]

kormoc:

and --nodeps shouldn't be needed as it's just a rebuild, would want a --oneshot, and --verbose should be a no-op practically

[22:24:15]

russK:

you updated it already !! :-)

[22:24:28]

russK:

cool

[22:24:30]

kormoc:

yeah, but entirely untested other then the equery line :P

[22:24:47]

kormoc:

so if it works, awesome, else, might need to add quotes around the =$package or the like

[22:24:52]

russK:

i used --nodeps because it's still barfing on the themes for me

[22:25:35]

russK:

i think we said that should be a bug report yesterday

[22:26:05]

russK:

(maybe that's why the front end is seg faulting)

[22:26:07]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:27:45]

iamlindoro:

Heh, kormoc is kormoc and I am "that other guy" in a ML post

[22:27:58]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has left #mythtv-users ()

[22:28:39]

cynicismic (cynicismic!n=rclark@94-194-202-107.zone8.bethere.co.uk) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[22:29:32]

kormoc:

yeah, the lack of themes might be interesting

[22:29:39]

lyricnz_ (lyricnz_!n=simonrob@ppp118-208-244-171.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:29:52]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, ooh?

[22:30:09]

sphery:

what's that other guy talking about this time?

[22:30:42]

iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-July/260241.html

[22:30:58]

sphery:

too slow

[22:31:19]

sphery:

I went and got the link right after you pasted it...

[22:32:00]

sphery:

iamlindoro: guess I'll have to post the exact line...

[22:32:28]

meshe:

iamlindoro aka The OG

[22:32:58]

kormoc:

sphery, iamlindoro, or tell the guy to wait a week and I'll fix it this weekend when I have my new shiny box up and happy

[22:33:13]

iamlindoro:

that guy couldn't fix it if he wanted to, sphery was taunting him

[22:33:18]

** kormoc laughs **

[22:33:27]

kormoc:

evil sphery

[22:34:00]

sphery:

heh

[22:34:39]

kormoc:

it's just one of those weirdnesses with how apache passes down values

[22:34:53]

sphery:

kormoc: yeah, but you'll fix it in trunk--and I'd rather he not run trunk :)

[22:34:58]

** kormoc laughs **

[22:34:59]

kormoc:

fair 'nuff

[22:35:42]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@97.66.21.169) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[22:35:48]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@90.146.56.206) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[22:36:36]

sphery:

Personally, though, I'm looking forward to seeing the commit for #6700... I'm wondering just how wrong my patch is.

[22:37:40]

** kormoc wonders if we have SG file scanning yet **

[22:37:53]

ryanjohnston (ryanjohnston!n=ryanj@S0106001d60863652.cg.shawcable.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[22:38:02]

kormoc:

we do have sg streaming, right?

[22:38:12]

photon (photon!n=photon@unaffiliated/photon) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:39:27]

sphery:

kormoc is trying to get me in trouble with iamlindoro. I hope he doesn't blow up, again.

[22:39:45]

iamlindoro:

I'm not mad, I give up

[22:39:53]

iamlindoro:

I used to try to fix things

[22:40:00]

iamlindoro:

but you've sucked all the joy out of it

[22:40:04]

iamlindoro:

good job

[22:40:41]

sphery:

Ah, another psychological defeat... All is well in Mythland

[22:40:47]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, go play some Monkey Island!

[22:40:59]

kormoc:

although, I have to say, I'm not overly a fan of the controls

[22:41:03]

sphery:

And I'll go play some Peggle on my Xbox 360... Oh, wait.

[22:41:12]

kormoc:

if only you had steam!

[22:41:19]

iamlindoro:

Your 360 wants you to work on myth... but I don't

[22:41:26]

kormoc:

infact you should get steam and download the free peggle version on there

[22:41:31]

sphery:

It looked like there was steam--or was it smoke--coming out of the box for a while, there...

[22:41:55]

sphery:

What? They have a free version? I paid 800MS points (=$10) for mine...

[22:42:03]

Dagmar:

Nah. No need for that. WoW has a Peggle add-on now.

[22:42:07]

kormoc:

yeah, there's three versions on steam, one of which is free

[22:42:32]

Dagmar:

A few people in my guild run it. I, on the other hand, just run the add-on that lets me post phony high scores to irritate them.

[22:42:36]

sphery:

wonder how an ATI Radeon 9850 would do with it...

[22:42:42]

kormoc:

perfectly fine

[22:43:04]

sphery:

so, is there a "kormoc recommended I try steam" thing I should mark to get you your referral bonus?

[22:43:06]

kormoc:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/3483/

[22:43:09]

kormoc:

nah, there isn't

[22:43:20]

plextortv402u (plextortv402u!n=plextort@mail.rtlogic.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:43:27]

kormoc:

and the demo of deluxe, http://store.steampowered.com/app/3482/

[22:44:17]

sphery:

except for the backgrounds, that free one looks like mine

[22:44:30]

kormoc:

it's only 10 or 12 levels I believe

[22:44:37]

kormoc:

deluxe is 18?

[22:44:37]

sphery:

I think the xbox one is deluxe, though

[22:45:11]

sphery:

there are 10 levels of 5 in the xbox one

[22:45:22]

kormoc:

ahh

[22:45:29]

sphery:

i.e. 5 games/backgrounds/layouts per level

[22:45:31]

** kormoc nods **

[22:45:51]

kormoc:

I also have peggle for my ipod :)

[22:45:55]

kormoc:

and worms 2!

[22:46:45]

sphery:

of course, I'm kind of upset with Valve... I bought The Orange Box for 360 (which includes Portal), then they released a new Portal on XBox Marketplace for download and they don't give any preferential treatment/pricing to those who bought the original... :(

[22:47:02]

kormoc:

a new portal?

[22:47:24]

sphery:

http://reviews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1604/Portal-Still-Alive/p1/

[22:47:43]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@ppp118-208-244-171.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) has quit (Connection timed out)

[22:47:55]

kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_%28video_ . . . _Still_Alive

[22:47:56]

kormoc:

ugh

[22:47:58]

kormoc:

that sucks

[22:48:05]

kormoc:

I want it too

[22:48:30]

sphery:

yeah, they should have at least allowed those who bought the original to buy just the new levels/achievements for a discount

[22:48:31]

iamlindoro:

only if it has GladOS

[22:48:39]

sphery:

and cake!

[22:48:46]

kormoc:

IT'S ALL A LIE!

[22:48:55]

** kormoc breaks down and sobs in a corner **

[22:49:24]

mkrufky (mkrufky!n=Jeff@unaffiliated/mkrufky) has left #mythtv-users ()

[22:49:25]

iamlindoro:

So now we know who tried before Chell

[22:49:25]

sphery:

http://xkcd.com/606/

[22:49:34]

plextortv402u:

sphery: do you know if there is a maintained list of what cards are supported by the go7007 driver ?

[22:49:52]

sphery:

kormoc: now you've ruined it for those mid-level system players

[22:49:54]

plextortv402u:

I can obviously test my changes against my card, but I'd hate to break someone else by removing a card-specific requirement

[22:50:11]

sphery:

plextortv402u: no idea... I'd guess linuxtv.org (and/or the wiki there)

[22:50:31]

sphery:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

[22:51:09]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@rrcs-97-77-45-90.sw.biz.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[22:52:09]

kormoc:

oh noes!

[22:52:14]

plextortv402u:

sphery: thanks

[22:53:16]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc1-derb9-0-0-cust559.leic.cable.ntl.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Left")

[22:54:12]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[22:54:15]

hsi (hsi!n=hsi@2001:16d8:ff1a:0:216:3eff:fe64:feb3) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:57:15]

** russK slams forehead on desk after discovering his frontend was crashing because he forgot eselect opengl set nvidia **

[22:57:32]

plextortv402u:

sphery: looks like the plextor's are the only ones in the us market --seeing as wis is now defunct

[23:05:15]

jroysdon (jroysdon!n=User@Ox.roysdon.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:13:17]

Hilikus (Hilikus!n=ROCKERO@unaffiliated/hilikus) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:13:20]

Hilikus:

hey guys

[23:13:59]

Hilikus:

my ad flagger pretty much always misses commercials in the last 2–3 minutes of a show

[23:14:05]

Hilikus:

is there a way to fix that?

[23:15:28]

kormoc:

sure, by modifying the logic and all that jazz, hope you have some c++ skills

[23:16:42]

Hilikus:

i do. but what should i be modifying? i'm not sure what's the problem currently that it can't detect commercials at the end

[23:17:19]

kormoc:

you'll have to dig into the commflagger, see what it's looking for, dump out info and see what it's missing and see if you can tie the two together in a way that doesn't affect other detections

[23:17:22]

iamlindoro:

mythcommflag

[23:18:35]

Hilikus:

and what's wrong with the logic kormoc?

[23:18:46]

kormoc:

Hilikus, if we knew that, it wouldn't be broken...

[23:18:51]

iamlindoro:

That's what you've got to figure out ;)

[23:19:11]

Hilikus:

so there are no open bugs in mythtv is what you are saying

[23:19:20]

** kormoc laughs **

[23:19:38]

iamlindoro:

not for that issue, no

[23:19:50]

iamlindoro:

but bugs with patches get quick attention :)

[23:20:10]

iamlindoro:

bugs w/o patches get attention when someone capable of fixing them gets adequately annoyed by the bug in his or her own setup

[23:20:16]

Hilikus:

am i the only one with that problem or is it a known limitation?

[23:20:35]

kormoc:

commflagging is so different for everyone, you can't say

[23:20:38]

iamlindoro:

You are probably not the only one

[23:20:40]

Hilikus:

i see

[23:21:04]

andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B975EA.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[23:21:29]

Hilikus:

i might give this a try. i was going to develop for amarok but found out that my problem was aleardy fixed in svn

[23:21:59]

Hilikus:

different question. is the new mythbrowser using kde3 still?

[23:22:05]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) has quit ("Leaving")

[23:22:05]

iamlindoro:

no

[23:22:17]

Hilikus:

kde4 or not kde at all?

[23:22:23]

kormoc:

qt-webkit

[23:22:26]

iamlindoro:

Webkit, never used KDE per se

[23:22:40]

kormoc:

old one was embedded konqueror, no?

[23:22:50]

Hilikus:

oh really? i thought it did

[23:22:51]

iamlindoro:

yeah (ergo "per se)

[23:23:53]

Hilikus:

is it hard to set up the environment to develop for mythtv? lots of dependencies and stuff?

[23:24:15]

iamlindoro:

No moreso than to build Myth for use

[23:24:22]

kormoc:

depends on your distro/package management/definition of hard/experience

[23:24:27]

meshe:

what distro?

[23:24:41]

Hilikus:

ubuntu

[23:24:52]

iamlindoro:

apt-get build-dep mythtv

[23:24:58]

meshe:

what he said

[23:24:58]

Hilikus:

oh nice

[23:24:58]

iamlindoro:

apt-get install libqt4-dev

[23:25:08]

iamlindoro:

apt-get install libqt4-sql-mysql

[23:25:10]

iamlindoro:

done

[23:25:16]

Hilikus:

cool

[23:25:19]

Hilikus:

thanks a lot guys

[23:25:21]

meshe:

you might need some lame package too

[23:25:36]

meshe:

that didn't come in when i did build-dep

[23:25:47]

Hilikus:

i'll keep that in mind meshe

[23:25:51]

kormoc:

it's pretty obvious from the error if that's the case

[23:26:02]

meshe:

yeah ./configure will tell you

[23:26:34]

meshe:

once configure is happy, the build just works in my experience

[23:26:46]

bekeke (bekeke!n=root@adsl-75-40-251-164.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:26:51]

olesalscheider (olesalscheider!n=desktop@xdsl-78-34-244-39.netcologne.de) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[23:27:40]

janneg:

I suspect there are still some dependencies left configure doesn't check for

[23:28:32]

meshe:

possibly, the the build-dep on ubuntu seems to catch those if there are any

[23:28:47]

meshe:

s/the the/but the/

[23:29:26]

bekeke:

I'm having problems with lam lock over firewire. Would using a 32bit OS instead of 64bit help with that?

[23:29:31]

kormoc:

Well shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it, shake that healthy but.

[23:31:46]

iamlindoro:

bekeke, no

[23:32:23]

iamlindoro:

failure to lock over firewire almost *always* means the channel is 5C and can't be captured... when it's not that, it's usually connection isn't primed... but until proven otherwise, it's the former

[23:34:53]

bekeke:

Its not 5c. it seems to be unstable and inconsistent. Its pretty much hit and miss on the same channel.

[23:35:12]

iamlindoro:

That can still be 5C

[23:35:46]

bekeke:

during the same show

[23:35:52]

bekeke:

?

[23:36:04]

kormoc:

yes

[23:36:06]

iamlindoro:

at any time

[23:38:25]

jroysdon (jroysdon!n=User@Ox.roysdon.org) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[23:38:27]

bekeke:

that seems ridiculous. your saying they change encryption during a show and the cable boxes work seemingly that way.

[23:38:52]

iamlindoro:

cable boxes don't have to deal w/ 5C

[23:39:02]

iamlindoro:

5C pertains exclusively to firewire outputs

[23:39:09]

bekeke:

ok

[23:39:15]

plextortv402u:

janneg: I patched hte go7007 driver to avoid the messy card-specific code in myth--in the event that input/format are already set to the correct value, it returns succesfully instead of returning an EBUSY...not the cleanest, but it looks like the *non-open firmware on the i2c bus *requires the streaming to be stopped during one of those changes. And as much as I like firmware, that goes beyond hte extent of "free time" :)

[23:40:03]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@66.236.68.74.ptr.us.xo.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[23:40:06]

bekeke:

its coming on and off seemingly at random?

[23:40:18]

sphery:

iamlindoro: was that question for Marc or for stev391?

[23:40:37]

plextortv402u:

still need to test how it handles going from a different tuner *back to the 402u...but assuming myth stops/starts streaming when switching tuners, this shouldn't be a problem

[23:40:46]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Stephen

[23:41:16]

iamlindoro:

sphery, sent fix

[23:41:28]

sphery:

was going to say I hope he figures it out, too :)

[23:41:29]

kormoc:

bekeke, it happens, aye

[23:42:46]

sphery:

kormoc: I'm trying to recover my steam password (after the great file server deletion of 2008) but they're not sending any e-mails to any of the addresses I've used in the last 10 years... Does it take forever for them to actually send it?

[23:43:27]

bekeke:

well I dont beleive that to be the case. Im going to play with priming the connection tonight

[23:44:11]

sphery:

only one I'm not sure of is whether they're trying to send it to my xbox live account (since I think I "signed up" through Portal/XBox 360) but I'd have to upgrade to XBL Gold to find out (and without an XBox, now is a terrible time to renew my sub)

[23:44:51]

iamlindoro:

Well you can't *not* prime the connection

[23:45:05]

iamlindoro:

so if you haven't done that, yes, try.... but if it doesn't remain stable, see answer A

[23:45:34]

** iamlindoro wonders about people who come in looking for answers and end up more or less telling you to shove off when they're not the ones they like **

[23:52:15]

sphery:

hmmm... well, I guess I'll give up and use the only game I can truly count on--MythTV

[23:53:02]

meshe:

quitter ;)

[23:53:06]

bekeke:

sorry it just seems odd to me. I could see the cable companies doing it to get around the law

[23:53:06]

iamlindoro:

Linux has GREAT games! Like Tux Racer, and... <small>The Gimp...</small>

[23:53:22]

iamlindoro:

bekeke, The law doesn't state they have to give you a single byte of video

[23:53:26]

iamlindoro:

not one

[23:53:33]

MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@76-10-150-67.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:53:39]

iamlindoro:

They must provide you with a *functional* firewire port, as the wording goes

[23:53:41]

bekeke:

hmm just firewire

[23:53:45]

iamlindoro:

which means channel changing is more than enough

[23:54:06]

bekeke:

great

[23:54:17]

bekeke:

thanks for the advice

[23:54:24]

iamlindoro:

Yay Cable Companies! :)

[23:54:30]

iamlindoro:

(Boooo)

[23:56:53]

stoth (stoth!n=stoth@ool-18bfe0d5.dyn.optonline.net) has quit ("Leaving")

MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

Current users (200):