Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, July 20th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

Sheesh, Steve Wozniak did a commercial for the local Toyata dealership

[00:00:11]

iamlindoro:

he is an awful actor

[00:00:28]

iamlindoro:

shows him riding around on his Segway and picking up his Prius

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laga:

i sometimes forget you live in the valley

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wagnerrp:

because nothing says environmentalism like getting off your feet, and letting a overpriced scooter do your walking for you

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iamlindoro:

Woz is huge, he'll expire if he walks

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wagnerrp:

but he got all that exercise while dancing

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wagnerrp:

or flopping around on stage to music... whatever you prefer to call it

[00:04:21]

laga:

iamlindoro: hans reiser babbled something about a huge bdsm culture in silicon valley. is that true? i've been curious ever since

[00:05:04]

iamlindoro:

laga, Heh, interesting question-- Not any greater than any other place I imagine-- the area is admittedly quite liberal, but I wouldn't say there's some seething underbelly or anything

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iamlindoro:

If anything, people are freer to express their preferences here, so I'd imagine elsewhere it's be more hidden away

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iamlindoro:

laga, You guys have Love Parade, nothing here can be as wild as that :)

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laga:

too bad the music is shitty ;)

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tgm4883:

love parade?

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iamlindoro:

google

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janneg:

s/have/had/

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laga:

janneg: i'm sure there's plenty of other opportunities to do some MDMA and get laid

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wagnerrp:

laga: he claim the bsdm people killed his wife?

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laga:

wagnerrp: he did at one point i think

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tgm4883:

wtf

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tgm4883:

thats all I can say about that

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laga:

about the love parade?

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tgm4883:

yep

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laga:

aren't you from portland? i thought you guys were pretty liberal :P

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tgm4883:

i'm from salem

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tgm4883:

portland is pretty liberal to the north

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laga:

s/portland/oregon/

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tgm4883:

eugene is even more liberal to the south

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tgm4883:

and then there is SF in CA

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tgm4883:

we don't talk about that

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laga:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Nothing wrong with SF

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tgm4883:

true, the 49ers do play there

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i_is_cat:

no matter what i do i cant seem to get the pvr150 picture normal

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sphery:

i_is_cat: and you're sure you have it set for the right TV format (i.e. NTSC or PAL)

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gbee:

and you aren't overly compressing or using a non-native image size?

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i_is_cat:

ya its set for the right format ntsc and overly compressing? where would i check that?

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gbee:

if you don't know I'd assume you are using the defaults, which should be ok, can't hurt to check though

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gbee:

mythfrontend > setup > TV > Recording Profiles > Hardware Encoders

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gbee:

again, another setting which should probably be in the backend and not the frontend

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** kormoc removes the seaweed from his hair **

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iamlindoro:

You kissed the prince and now you're a real girl?

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Dagmar:

I'm still pissed they blew up TOrchwood

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kormoc:

Nah, went snorkeling and poked at some http://www.oceanlight.com/lr/full/2dce4109042 . . . 10041a8f.jpg

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

You'd think by now people woudl know better than to poke at sealife.

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Dagmar:

CRIKEY

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kormoc:

yeah well, it didn't electrocute me, so that was a good start

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kormoc:

and it did poke back...

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Dagmar:

I could probably be paid to touch a fish that looked like that, but it wouldnt' be cheap

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kormoc:

nah, they're fun and not that temperamental at all

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kormoc:

now the lingcod...

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kormoc:

upto 130 lbs, and they'll chase you and ram you in the ribs...

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kormoc:

a 130 lbs fish to the ribs *HURTS*

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sphery:

So, Meteor's science is less ludicrous than Impact's, but the story/acting/production is far worse. I wonder if it's a remake of the 1979 movie Meteor.

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sphery:

funny, though, that 2 networks have pretty much the same basis for their made-for-TV miniseries events within a month of each other

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iamlindoro:

"crap" and "more different crap"?

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sphery:

yeah, they also have that in common :)

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Dagmar:

Signs that their chained-to-the-wall scriptwriters are getting their ideas from the same CNN blog

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tank-man:

doesn't cnn do twitter, or both

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k-man:

a friend of mine has a 1080p tv, but when he hooks his computer up to it via DVI, at 1080p resoultion the edges of the image are off the screeen – he thinks all TVs are like that, is that true?

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iamlindoro:

not all, but many/most, yes

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iamlindoro:

It's overscan, and quite common for only the better televisions to allow you to disable it in the menus somewhere

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sphery:

and if not all, nearly all will default to that behavior and you'd need to explicitly disable it

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iamlindoro:

When the average person buys some random Vizio POS, they doom themselves not to be able to turn that kind of thing off

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k-man:

iamlindoro: his tv is samsung iirc

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iamlindoro:

That's a bit to generic to have any idea whether there's hope

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k-man:

iamlindoro: so how does one know if one can turn off overscan before buying? and do you really need to turn it off?

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iamlindoro:

but at least it's not bargain basement

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sphery:

avsforum.com

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iamlindoro:

One looks it up on the internet or goes through the menus oneself in the store

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iamlindoro:

and you only need to turn it off if you want that 5–10% of picture back

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k-man:

iamlindoro: ok

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sphery:

The Samsung will have an ability to scale the image

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sphery:

you can just scale it so it fits on screen

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k-man:

iamlindoro: so – would you want it on or off normaly when watching TV or a DVD?

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iamlindoro:

thought myth has some tools to correct for overscan, they're not perfect

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sphery:

I don't know if it will allow disabling overscan (would need to know/look up detailed info on the model)

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k-man:

iamlindoro: i'm mainly asking because when i go to buy a TV, i want to make sure I get one where i can turn off overscan

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iamlindoro:

k-man, depends, I personally don't want to lose 10% of the image

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k-man:

iamlindoro: no, i don't either

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iamlindoro:

so I would turn off the TV overscan, and have myth overscan the image by 1%

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iamlindoro:

so that VBI gets cut off, but you preserve picture

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k-man:

i just thought there might be some reason to with TV, like TV stations don't transmit data in that 5% or something

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k-man:

what is VBI?

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iamlindoro:

Vertical Blanking Interval

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sphery:

k-man: remember, you can usually get only 2 of the following 3: 1) no overscan, 2) full screen, 3) 1:1 pixel mapping

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iamlindoro:

close captions, etc.

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k-man:

oh, i see

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iamlindoro:

But they are a small portion of the image lost to overscan

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iamlindoro:

So get overscan turned off, and only overscan a tiny bit for video playback using myth's video scaling settings

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k-man:

ok, thanks for the info

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iamlindoro:

that way in menus, etc. you can see the whole picture, and still overscan the tiny amount needed to avoidwhat most people call "the static at the topc"

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iamlindoro:

(which is in fact data)

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k-man:

iamlindoro: yeah – ok thanks for the info

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

Facebook sure "oops"es a lot

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmm very interstng my mythlog is full of

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darkdrgn2k3:

Jul 19 22:35:26 mythSRV udevadm[2802]: the program '/usr/local/bin/mythfrontend' called 'udevinfo', it should use 'udevadm info <options>', this will stop working in a future release

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iamlindoro:

feel free to patch it to do so

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iamlindoro:

looks like it'd be a two line patch

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iamlindoro:

let us know when it's finished, you've got five minutes

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iamlindoro:

Time's up, turn over your papers and pass in what you have

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6137

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k-man:

when they talk about LED hd TVs – is that like an led for each pixel? or is it some other thing?

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wagnerrp:

i doubt it, ~2M LEDs would not be a cheap proposition

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wagnerrp:

not to mention the massive amount of light and heat it would put out

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k-man:

wagnerrp: yeah, just googling around, it seems as though when they say LED, they mean LED backlight

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k-man:

i think its still an LCD display

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wagnerrp:

its still an LCD display, with LEDs for backlights

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k-man:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

probably numbering somewhere below 100 for the panel

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k-man:

its dodgey how samsung markets it imho

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wagnerrp:

however, CCFLs have a minimum brightness they must be run at, and are very large

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wagnerrp:

LEDs allow much greater variance in the black ranges

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wagnerrp:

and allow them to vary the brightness across the panel

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k-man:

yeah, and apparantly they can also turn the leds on and off selectivley and get much better contrast ratio

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wagnerrp:

yeah, pixel-to-pixel, the contrast ratio is no better

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wagnerrp:

from from area-to-area, it can be much higher

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lesshaste:

hi all

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indus:

hi i need hekp

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indus:

help

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stuarta:

thank you for joining the correct channel

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indus:

why cant mythtv tune all available frequencies?

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stuarta:

it should be able to

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indus:

indian channels

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stuarta:

can any other application tune these channels?

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indus:

tvtime does it nicely

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indus:

i mean , i have a nice tv tuner card, why cant the software ask it to tune whatever there is?

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indus:

what is this american and european hangover

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indus:

but forget being country specific, tv time just does a first time scan and finds all,mythtv seems to be limiting the hardware

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stuarta:

that's where the main developer / user community is

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stuarta:

is this analogue or digital signal?

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indus:

stuarta: why doesnt it have the option to tune all available frequencies?

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indus:

its analog

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stuarta:

it has frequency lists on which to scan

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stuarta:

for efficiency reasons

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stuarta:

it may be that there isn't a set of frequencies that cover the indian broadcast frequencies

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indus:

stuarta: ya exactly,someone told me to use tvtime to see the frequencies,then put it in mythtv

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indus:

thats dumb

[08:51:19]

stuarta:

you may well be our first user from india

[08:51:26]

indus:

well,there are others

[08:51:36]

stuarta:

so nobody has added support for your frequencies

[08:51:44]

indus:

so what do i do?

[08:52:02]

indus:

greetings from india btw :)

[08:52:51]

indus:

my question is, like a tv set sets for all available frequencies,why cant mythtv do it,makes it reasy, you know maybe one day someone in africa might use it to tune in

[08:53:24]

indus:

we have more channels than anyone can even count,15 languages,so easy to imagine

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stuarta:

as i said, nobody has added support

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indus:

how to add it? can i do something

[08:54:33]

stuarta:

biab

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indus:

whats biab

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gbee:

be back in a bit

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indus:

k thanks

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Dibblah:

frequency.c in he source.

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Dibblah:

in the source, even.

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indus:

frequency.c and then?

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indus:

everyone said mythtv is great,but then i spent all day trying to no avail

[08:56:51]

gbee:

indus: supporting and therefore scanning all possible frequencies used in the world would take too long (hours), we work from a known list of frequencies for each country to make setup easier and faster

[08:57:08]

indus:

gbee: how can i supply these frequencies?

[08:57:17]

indus:

is it a range kind of thing?

[08:57:29]

indus:

as far as i know we have bands like UHF VHF etc

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indus:

all the guides tell me to use tvtime to see freq,then put it in mythtv

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Dibblah:

You need the list of frequencies used in your country for broadcast TV.

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indus:

thats crazy

[08:58:23]

indus:

ok then i need to submit to the devs?

[08:58:37]

Dibblah:

Then it's possible for someone to create a patch, if they can be bothered.

[08:58:50]

indus:

can they be bothered?

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indus:

i went there but they pushed me here

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indus:

anyways, is there a trimmed down version of mythtv which can be used? this one is way too many options

[09:00:02]

Dibblah:

The discussion should be initially here.

[09:00:05]

Dibblah:

No.

[09:00:31]

Dibblah:

You have distributions – minimyth, etc that are mostly plug and go.

[09:00:51]

indus:

why is it that tvtime scans for all frequencies?

[09:01:03]

Dibblah:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_distros

[09:01:07]

indus:

it ran first time scan and voila,everything

[09:01:16]

indus:

but it cant record etc

[09:01:47]

Dibblah:

indus: It doesn't scan all frequencies as far as I understand.

[09:01:49]

gbee:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1500910

[09:02:05]

Dibblah:

tvtime-configure --norm=pal --frequencies=...

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indus:

Dibblah: i have all channels man

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indus:

gbee: what is this paste?

[09:02:54]

Dibblah:

gbee: That's digital only, isn't it?

[09:03:09]

Dibblah:

indus: I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you ;)

[09:03:14]

janneg:

indus: tvtime should have created a file with the frequencies can you paste that file to http://mythtv.pastebin.ca and post the URL where it is available

[09:03:15]

indus:

Dibblah: ya me neither

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indus:

hmm ,ok right now iam at work, can i do that maybe later

[09:03:51]

indus:

different pc

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gbee:

Dibblah: err yeah

[09:04:08]

indus:

janneg: that file can help tuning?

[09:04:25]

indus:

ok also, difference between analog and digital?

[09:04:48]

indus:

the transmission is digital ,but comes to home via analog cable

[09:05:33]

indus:

sorry folks,just connected the card ,so i have quite a few questions

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janneg:

indus: it would help us to see on which frequencies channels are, maybe we have already a frequency table for that

[09:06:06]

indus:

thanks guys, i will get back to you later on this

[09:06:24]

indus:

but i do believe its not that diff from european

[09:06:41]

janneg:

I couldn't find information what frequencies are used for TV in india in english

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indus:

its PAL btw we use

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indus:

ok how can we find this out? i mean maybe some gov sites list it? but nvm ill use tvtime

[09:07:34]

indus:

and report later

[09:08:13]

indus:

do all of you have digital tv? like HD ?

[09:09:30]

indus:

Dibblah: which freq you feel tvtime wont be tuning?

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indus:

technically i mean

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indus:

Dibblah: technically,which freq you feel tvtime might not scan for?

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janneg:

indus: you could also try to use the frequency table "try-all"

[09:11:53]

janneg:

in mythtv

[09:12:00]

indus:

janneg: oh i didnt know about that

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indus:

janneg: command line ? what is syntax please

[09:13:22]

indus:

janneg: also,command for mythtv to select proper device,i have /dev/video1 while it seems to look for /dev/video0

[09:16:13]

janneg:

select that in mythtv-setup as frequency table in the general setting

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Dibblah:

indus: When you select your frequency table in mythtv-setup, try the one janneg has suggested.

[09:16:33]

indus:

damn it, how on earth did i miss that

[09:16:41]

janneg:

scanning will take a while but it should find all channels

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indus:

hoorah thanks folks

[09:16:54]

Dibblah:

indus: You configure the card. Mythtv will use the card you've configured.

[09:17:18]

Dibblah:

If you've configured it wrong, remove and readd the right one :)

[09:17:34]

indus:

Dibblah: its nice pinnacle pctv 50 i

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indus:

or 110 i as far as software

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Dibblah:

Hear that noise? It's the sound of me not caring ;)

[09:18:12]

indus:

what is diff between analog and digital ?

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Dibblah:

wikipedia

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Dibblah:

Analog TV broadcasts.

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Dibblah:

Compare to digital.

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indus:

well,thats all read,but the signal is digital here, but beamed to homes via cable analog, i want to know about your hardware

[09:19:20]

indus:

what hardware do you people have?

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indus:

janneg: thanks a lot

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indus:

i gtg, so bye and thanks for all your help

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Dibblah:

That was distinctly odd.

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stuarta:

Dibblah: painful is the phrase i would use

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** Dibblah keeps meaning to do so many things, but never has time :( **

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** juski suggests #international-mythtv-users :D **

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juski:

twinned with /dev/null

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Dibblah:

Need to go through a new install to check everything actually works.

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Dibblah:

Pre 0.22

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stuarta:

i'm dedicating this weekend to sorting out my remaining scanning issues

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janneg:

argh, he's no in #lirc

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janneg:

s/no/now/

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laga:

Dibblah: same here.

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lesshaste:

any mythvodka users here?

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stuarta:

vodka is only drinking

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stuarta:

+for

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juski:

drinking is for vodkasch HIC!

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lesshaste:

:)

[10:20:45]

lesshaste:

thanks

[10:21:07]

lesshaste:

I just want a nice myth front end to streaming TV

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lesshaste:

I don't have TV card you see

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juski:

if you don't bother with the TV part, is Myth TV really what you want?

[10:27:55]

lesshaste:

not sure

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juski:

kinda why mythtv isn't called mythstreamingthingy

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lesshaste:

but i do want a lovely front end for the channels, ways of selecting things to record, view old programmes that are recorded etc.

[10:28:31]

lesshaste:

juski, I mean it is TV that is streaming

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lesshaste:

juski, so it's only the input source that is different

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juski:

AFAIK mythvodka is only a viewing client. not a recorder

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lesshaste:

I think it will use get_iplayer somehow

[10:31:27]

lesshaste:

but what do I know :)

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lesshaste:

get_iplayer does the recording

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juski:

to /tmp myers

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lesshaste:

"I’ve just been contacted by Richard Ablewhite who has recently updated his excellent iPlayer MythTV plugin MythVodka that now uses get_iplayer."

[10:32:36]

lesshaste:

what does /tmp myers mean?

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jduggan:

mythvodka is for iplayer?

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juski:

yup

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juski:

and it's on-demand streamy stream stream

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jduggan:

how counter-intuitive

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juski:

no recording

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jduggan:

=]

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jduggan:

there was me thinking it might be for cocktail recipes

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juski:

it's dumped into a tempfile

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

well

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jduggan:

better to get MOAR tuners

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lesshaste:

moar?

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juski:

yup

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jduggan:

and record it first hand

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jduggan:

better quality

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jduggan:

=]

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lesshaste:

the problem is just one of practicality

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juski:

unless you're a stinking foreigner who doesn't pay the BBC license fee

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jduggan:

lesshaste: MOAR as in more

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lesshaste:

I don't have a tv aerial in the right place

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juski:

boo frickin hoo

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lesshaste:

not johnny foreigner here ;)

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jduggan:

juski: foreigners get access to the streams?

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lesshaste:

don't panic

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lesshaste:

jduggan, no

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juski:

iplayer is great quality for erm.. online streamed crap. nothing like broadcast Q though

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jduggan:

lesshaste: you're probably better investing in some cable and moving the aerial

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jduggan:

yea, ive recently got the g1 phone and iplayer on there works quite well

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jduggan:

not sure i'll ever use it mind

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jduggan:

:o

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juski:

I tried it with my laptop hooked up to my telly. it was watchable. hardly *great* though

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lesshaste:

jduggan, that's really not practical here.. I would need to split the aerial and run it both sides of the house and drill a new hole in the wall and then run it round the walls

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juski:

so?!

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juski:

FFS I had to dig walls out, crawl under the floor & Godknows what else

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jduggan:

lesshaste: lazy :(

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juski:

yes lazy

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laga:

yeah, back then, we had to walk through the snow

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lesshaste:

hang on!

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lesshaste:

then I still wouldn't have the same functionality

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juski:

like what?

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lesshaste:

iplayer has programs for a week

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lesshaste:

I can't record all programs!

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juski:

I still have stuff from last year

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juski:

3 tuners, I can record 15 shows at a time

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jduggan:

lesshaste: you can record all programs you /care/ to record

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lesshaste:

I can't record all programmes on all channels speculatively

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lesshaste:

iplayer is a much better service

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juski:

there's FA worth watching on non-BBC channels :)

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jduggan:

well

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lesshaste:

I can then go through them and click on the ones I want to keep

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jduggan:

you only have 7 days iirc on iplayer

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lesshaste:

jduggan, see above

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juski:

7 days then it's gone. FOR GOOD

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juski:

7 days!

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lesshaste:

juski, see above :)

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laga:

juski: the ring?

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juski:

you can't keep any of them with mythvodka

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lesshaste:

the idea is that I can store the ones I want to keep using mythtv

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juski:

you get to WATCH not STORE

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juski:

you can't

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lesshaste:

juski, oh...but get_iplayer downloads them

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juski:

and besides, you shouldn't

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lesshaste:

naughty?

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jduggan:

juski: ooh i duno, FX seems to have got some good shows

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jduggan:

=]

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juski:

very

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lesshaste:

but not naughty to record off the TV?

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jduggan:

some no name tv channel that i seem to record from quite a bit

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juski:

jduggan: yay for FX. Not paying Â£25 amonth for it though

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jduggan:

hehe

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lesshaste:

more4 is cool

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lesshaste:

and so is dave

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juski:

more4 has the daily show

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jduggan:

heh dave

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lesshaste:

4od completely fails to work for me at all

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lesshaste:

I just get an error message

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lesshaste:

jduggan, :)

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juski:

channel 4 has erm.. Ugly Betty. Wooooo!

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juski:

laugh a minute!

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lesshaste:

does 4od work for any of you?

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juski:

dunno

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juski:

I have this thing called an aerial so I don't have to rely on crappy online streams :)

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lesshaste:

juski, see above :)

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juski:

I tried it once. I needed WMC10, and for that I needed genuine something or other

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lesshaste:

juski, you have to admit that it's better to be able to select programs you can preview then guess in advance

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juski:

lesshaste: no

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lesshaste:

juski, hooray! :)

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lesshaste:

also, how can you live without a nice screenshot to choose from :)

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juski:

I admit that online streaming content is bollocks, and nothing else

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lesshaste:

juski, don't stream those naughty programs!

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juski:

until such time as the quality can come close to broadcast...

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lesshaste:

juski, did I mention my aerial is actually completely broken :)

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juski:

if it comes down to watch it in crap quality or not watch it..guess what I'd pick

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lesshaste:

I think one of the hills must have got bigger

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juski:

bored with this. stuff it up yer jumper

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lesshaste:

juski, a nice meal out?

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juski:

ignore -replies lesshaste

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lesshaste:

juski, :(

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FR^2:

horray! My infrared receiver reacts! Now I only have to configure mythtv to use it.

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** lesshaste was only joking about the growing hills **

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lesshaste:

jduggan, was I really *that* annoying?

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lesshaste:

FR^2, hooray!

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FR^2:

;)

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FR^2:

And I finally got my onboard intel-hda to output on the digital out ;)

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lesshaste:

double hooray! how?

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lesshaste:

fiddling with alsamixer?

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FR^2:

No, building all of alsa as modules and adding something to the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf: options snd-hda-intel model=6stack-dig

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lesshaste:

interesting

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lesshaste:

and quite annoying sounding :)

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krisb:

just digital or hdmi? will be getting my receiver today or tomorrow, hopefully i can get digital over hdmi on my laptop

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FR^2:

krisb: Just digial sound, I have an "asus nvidia en9800gt", but that doesn't support hdmi sound. Although its second connector is connected via DVI-to-HDMI with my LCD TV in the living room (about 8m distance)

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krisb:

spent some time reading about it but cant test anything till i get the receiver

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FR^2:

digital sound is connected to the stereo receiver.

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FR^2:

But I'm thinking of buying a second graphics card with a built-in hdmi connector and support for hdmi sound

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krisb:

mine is a 9800m gts in an asus laptop

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krisb:

its supposed to work with hdmi audio in windows so it should be fine

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krisb:

atleast i have the digital outputs in alsa, and theyre not external, so must be over hdmi then

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lesshaste:

what's the name of the box you plug into the back of your tv and can accept wireless streaming video again?

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FR^2:

settop-box?

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juski:

right that's one half of the whole house audio tx unit electronics built up :-)

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juski:

2 lots of stereo audio over one cat5 cable :)

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FR^2:

hehe

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FR^2:

nice

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Dibblah:

Balanced?

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Dibblah:

I can also _highly_ recommend http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MKll-Tripath-TA2024-ful . . . notsupported

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Dibblah:

The seller at least was willing to negotiate down on price for multiples.

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juski:

Dibblah: course it's balanced :) Don't want nasty noise

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juski:

I was going to try it unbalanced first but wth

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Dibblah:

What are you using for your baluns?

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juski:

opamps :)

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juski:

it's basically the same as my video over cat5 circuit I did, but I'm putting a filter on the receiving end

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dadocitto:

i got an instinct home thats been flashed into revol i wanna know what i gotta do to be able to receive picteuce mail and web

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juski:

oh and with much cheaper opamps :)

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juski:

dadocitto: eh?

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dadocitto:

i got an instinch phone that i flashed into revol and i wanna know what i gotta do to be able to receive picturece mail and web?

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dadocitto:

juski?

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juski:

Dibblah: I might even doc this one & put it on the interwebs

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Dibblah:

dadocitto: I think you need to be in another channel.

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dadocitto:

what one their is 1000 channels

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dadocitto:

lol

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Dibblah:

And that becomes our problem...?

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dadocitto:

i was just asking

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Dibblah:

"Freenode directory services – How may I direct your complaint?"

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juski:

google might know :)

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dadocitto:

thought you guys can maybe help me some how

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juski:

phone hacking.. not in this channel's remit

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Dibblah:

Not even close to it. So much so that the request is just... Odd.

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juski:

looks like a mis-spell of 'instinct' too :D

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juski:

good luck with that!#

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juski:

hahaha somebody on craigslist also has a phone wot is been flashy 4 revol. whatever the f that means

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Dibblah:

http://sound.westhost.com/project51.htm

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juski:

Dibblah: rumbled! :-P

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Dibblah:

?

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juski:

I nicked that circuit

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Dibblah:

Oh, right. I have all the bits, just need to print up the boards.

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juski:

wish I had the stuff to do etchins here

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Dibblah:

Then run the cabling , get permission from the boss for the speakers, ...

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Dibblah:

Oh. And the UI.

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juski:

Dibblah: in my case the boss is the one who wants it

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Dibblah:

No idea how to do the UI. Beagleboards have a certain niceness to them.

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Dibblah:

Or mini2440s.

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juski:

gonna have 4 stereo feeds throughout the house. prolly one doing the rec output of the AV amp downstairs, one doing DAB radio, another with the backend's audio out doing a 24/7 playlist dealy...

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juski:

then switch between em in each room & feed to local amp, ceiling speakers

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juski:

gonna make a touch switch box for the bathroom similar to the touch based light control I put in there

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Dibblah:

Urgle. I also need power supplies for the line drivers.

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juski:

have an endless supply of 12V wall warts here. thanks, work ;-)

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Dibblah:

Ick. Efficiency of 30%? No thanks :)

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juski:

Dibblah: I'm splitting the rails with a 78L05 on each board

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juski:

you could always use phantom power ;)

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clever:

id just run 12v lines thruout the house and feed it from the rack of 12v batterys in my basement

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clever:

share the 12v supply between everything

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juski:

clever: yes, and have a house that looks like a messed up ham radio shack

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clever:

juski: you can run the 12v lines thru the wall:P

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juski:

can you plaster?

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clever:

juski: we will have to, there are holes in several of the walls allready

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juski:

I have real walls in my house. none of this drywall crap. Unfortunately

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clever:

ah

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juski:

even the non load-bearing walls are brick

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clever:

ive got fiber-glass tiles in the basement ceiling

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clever:

so i can run wires anywhere in the house, and then punch a hole in the floor where i need it

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Dibblah:

My cat's breath smells of cat food.

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clever:

i dont have to tear walls out to run the lines

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juski:

alright for some

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juski:

then again, I could sell it to my wife. she loves redecorating

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juski:

and it's not like I don't enjoy a spot of plastering

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juski:

btw Dibblah these aren't just any 12V wall warts. these are 80% efficient SMPSU wall warts

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Dibblah:

M&S?

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juski:

lol

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juski:

the current these balanced things take it's criminal to use a dedicated PSU anyway I think

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Dibblah:

I have some – But they're waaay too expensive to use over 6 rooms.

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Dibblah:

Difficult to do it any other way.

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juski:

for the price of cat5 cable, maybe just put the power on the cable

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juski:

then it'd be 3 cables instead of 2 but hey

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Dibblah:

Uhhh... What's the point of balancing the signal, then?

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Dibblah:

If you get induced current on the supply...

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juski:

put the power on the third cable

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juski:

filter it :)

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juski:

common mode choke

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juski:

anyway, interference like RF noise would be on +v and 0v wouldn't it?

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juski:

assuming 0v wasn't actually grounded I think it'd be ok in real terms

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Dibblah:

Possibly.

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juski:

it was on my video sender thing :)

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juski:

and those cables ran close to power & very close to ethernet

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juski:

not a whiff

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clever:

ive tried sharing the gnd/common between 2 diff speaker systems, one of them was battery based and had no reference to real gnd

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clever:

it didnt go well:P

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Greek-Boy:

iamlindoro how are you? u around?

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Greek-Boy:

I found another nice product that can be used with MythTV. http://www.twinhan.com/product_satellite_1034.asp

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Greek-Boy:

it was on the wiki :-)

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Dibblah:

A twinhan card? Nice?

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Dibblah:

Riiight.

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Dibblah:

I would personally take the no-name clone over a twinhan based design.

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Greek-Boy:

Dibblah: The nice thing about it it supports CI, therefore PayTV

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Greek-Boy:

Dibblah: Know of anything better that can do pay-tv?

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Dibblah:

If you happen to have a CAM that works in it, yes.

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Greek-Boy:

terratec?

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Greek-Boy:

What if one wants to have multiple DVB-s from the paytv provider to be able to record and watch at the same time?

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Dibblah:

http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . dition-.html

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Dibblah:

You need multiple CAMs and cards.

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Dibblah:

You also need a card slot – http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . B-cards.html

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Dibblah:

Twinhans are cheap – But have really, really nasty tuners and not so good DMA engine.

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gbee:

I don't tend to recommend that Satelco, has signal strength/quality issues compared to say the Nova-S

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juski:

common interface interface. I like that

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psm321:

ATM machine!

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juski:

hrm maybe I could knock up a PCB for this thing. I could do it in SMT then :)

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Essobi:

Goood morning!

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Greek-Boy:

Morning

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Greek-Boy:

:-)

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gbee:

"Openchrome (XvMC-VLD) decoding does not work anymore for me after the last FFmpeg sync."

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gbee:

ah-hah, the excuse we've been looking for to drop xvmc support

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Greek-Boy:

Does anyone know of a low-profile card that has two dvb-s inputs?

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gbee:

wouldn't mind such a thing, well DVB-S2 preferably

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Greek-Boy:

seems like i'll have to go for a usb solution

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Greek-Boy:

i would have preferred something internal...

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gbee:

Pinnacle 4000i?

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Greek-Boy:

i'm checking it out right now

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GreyFoxx:

I wonder how many people actually used xvmc

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gbee:

I'm imagine quite a lot, not because they have to, but because they think that it benefits them in some way

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GreyFoxx:

Your CPU is not like a piggy back. Avoiding using it will not gain you anything

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gbee:

and then there will be those still trying to use old via systems who won't understand why they can't run the latest mythtv on a machine that's barely more powerful than the average toaster

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GreyFoxx:

I just assumed only a small amount since it's not mentioned a lot really

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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Greek-Boy:

gbee: I wonder if that Pinnacle 4000i will work under myth

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Greek-Boy:

its not on the wiki

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gbee:

linux, whether it will work under linux and I can't answer that

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Greek-Boy:

ok, i'll dig more into it

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juski:

GreyFoxx: I used to use xvmc. I had no choice with that epia piece of crap :)

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gbee:

linuxtv wiki supports it's unsupported atm

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Greek-Boy:

gbee: u mean the Pinnacle?

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gbee:

"linuxtv wiki /states/ it's unsupported atm"

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gbee:

and yes, I mean the PInnacle Dual Sat Pro (as the 4000i is also known)

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gbee:

but their wiki can be out of date/wrong

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gbee:

frequently is

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Tuxteri:

http://www.terratec.net/en/products/Cinergy_S2_PCI_HD_2336.html

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Tuxteri:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TerraTe . . . S2_PCI_HD_CI

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juski:

I wish they'd stop putting 'HD' in the names

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juski:

it doesn't have ANY bearing on things

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juski:

all the cards do is pluck streams out of the ether

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Greek-Boy:

Tuxteri: Wish there was a card like that with multiple inputs so u can record one channel while watching another :P

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juski:

or record one channel while recording another, because watching real-time TV is a time vampire :)

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Greek-Boy:

thats it

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juski:

come to think about it..how many dual tuner dvb-s cards have there ever been?

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Greek-Boy:

there are a few

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Greek-Boy:

but there aren't any paytv ones that i know of

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juski:

doesn't anyone get it yet? They don't want you using pay tv ;-)

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Greek-Boy:

juski: Who is "they" ?

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Greek-Boy:

That might be the case in USA but remember its a big world

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juski:

'they' can be whoever you want :)

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Greek-Boy:

:P

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Greek-Boy:

if we dont use paytv how will we get the premium stuff

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juski:

if the choice is to watch on their terms, when they say,I'll choose not to watch

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juski:

I mean what do you really miss anyway? A load of second rate movies, US series you can prolly buy on DVD box set eventually anyway....

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gbee:

ooh nice, this cable is better than advertised, copper foil rather than aluminium

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juski:

blimey

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gbee:

and foam too

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juski:

heh not multi-cell plastic? ;)

[14:09:41]

gbee:

aye

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gbee:

more flexible, but from what I've read, technically equivalent

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juski:

dielectric is dielectric is dielectric

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FR^2:

gbee: producer?

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gbee:

ought to be :)

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gbee:

Webro

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gbee:

not actually an unusual quality, WF100 standard, which is what everyone recommends for DVB-S

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gbee:

but the cable essentially came free with the Quad LNB for Â£18 (inc postage)

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gbee:

less than half what maplin etc ask for a Quad LNB exc cable

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juski:

maplin are going bust, I HOPE

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rooaus:

juski, gbee: Either of you, or anyone else, know anyone at the www.ispa.org.uk? Chances are near zero I know, but worth asking.

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Greek-Boy:

anyone have experience with WinTV-NOVA-S-USB2?

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juski:

rooaus: nope

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juski:

Greek-Boy: again, no use for your precious pay tv

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Greek-Boy:

juski: I'll just use it for FTA stuff

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gbee:

rooaus: don't think so, had friends/contacts at a couple of major ISPs but no-one working directly for ISPA

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juski:

FTA? Oh god

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juski:

NASATV and religious programming

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rooaus:

juski, gbee: np, you might guess why I was asking, http://www.ispaawards.org.uk//page/category_internet_villain

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gbee:

rooaus: ahh, no I didn't guess, although I read about that

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rooaus:

gbee: And now he seems to have put a 3 strikes policy on the table. Not defending piracy but there is such a thing as due process.

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iamlindoro:

"We'll I'm build the worlds most advanced MythTV System – I know that's a huge statement but when I'm finished – its going to be unbelievable. Some parts are still "secret" as they have never been done before and I want to be the first."

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iamlindoro:

hahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahaha

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rooaus:

iamlindoro: Unbelievable seems an appropriate choice of words. :)

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gbee:

he'd have to go a long way, I don't know that anyone has topped the guy who setup his own cable co serving his whole neighbourhood using mythtv 4 years back

[14:28:04]

gbee:

though we frequently hear chatter about universities/schools/hospitals with large setups

[14:30:19]

iamlindoro:

rooaus: Heh, well put

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janneg:

iamlindoro: the guy with the 12 dvb devices?

[14:30:36]

iamlindoro:

janneg: Yeah, looks like

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gbee:

-users list?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

"How to record everything all the time ?"

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juski:

how to structure properly a question mailing on list

[14:32:36]

juski:

gbee: there was a near miss with the national film & tv archive in wales ;-)

[14:32:44]

juski:

they almost went with mythtv

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jduggan:

hrm

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jduggan:

interesting

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FR^2:

hehe, indeed

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juski:

can't remember now how I ran into them. or maybe it was them who came to me having seen me on a forum somewhere

[14:35:40]

juski:

musta been the only PM I never minded replying to :)

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wombo:

gbee, for coax you really want the stuff at my work we use for industrial networking.

[14:37:31]

wombo:

its about an inch thick, bright blue and damn good at getting rid of any interferance

[14:38:05]

wombo:

but very expensive (But there is a big drum out the back that hasnt been used for atleast a year)

[14:38:48]

janneg:

omFSM, it looks like that system is under his TV http://www.g-b.net/cimg0356.jpg

[14:39:01]

janneg:

probably minus storage

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GreyFoxx:

man... does he need 36GB of ram in that thing ?:)

[14:40:50]

janneg:

if he wants to record to a tmpfs

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wombo:

why does he need all that stuff there? its only a computer, multimeter?

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GreyFoxx:

is that what he is doing?!?!

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juski:

GreyFoxx: the 'best' way to do livetv! :D

[14:42:27]

GreyFoxx:

wow, I need to go back and read the thread from the start

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: It probably has only 12 or 24G

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janneg:

6 2G or 4G modules

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iamlindoro:

All that and running MythCenter

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iamlindoro:

just goes to show, no matter how much money you throw at a myth system, you can't buy taste

[14:44:39]

GreyFoxx:

pffft

[14:44:42]

GreyFoxx:

I use mythcenter :)

[14:44:46]

GreyFoxx:

not that I like it

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iamlindoro:

Nobody's perfect

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GreyFoxx:

but the fam is use to it :)

[14:44:59]

iamlindoro:

and admitting the problem is the first step to getting help

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Essobi:

lol

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janneg:

the water cooling table change it color according to the water temperatur

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juski:

FFS he says the water in his cooling system is heavy!

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juski:

using heavy water? he should be locked up

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wombo:

lol

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Essobi:

.....

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juski:

wonder what it's gonna take to wean people off MythCenter, GNAT et al

[14:49:46]

iamlindoro:

I'm going to laugh my ass of when the supports buckle and he comes downstairs one morning to find his case is now an aquarium and he needs to replace the carpet

[14:50:02]

iamlindoro:

juski: The fact that they won't really work in the next release should help :)

[14:50:02]

juski:

splosh

[14:50:22]

iamlindoro:

I still support nuking them entirely

[14:50:26]

iamlindoro:

the sooner the better

[14:50:37]

iamlindoro:

As if anyone's going to save them/update them, it will take that to make them do it

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juski:

good advert for the cooling efficacy of zalman cases though eh?;-)

[14:51:27]

Essobi:

.....

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Essobi:

Why the hell would he use D2O when ammonia is a viable alternative...

[14:52:51]

wombo:

iamlindoro, I totally agree take the opportunity to clear out the junk while there is a good excuse

[14:52:54]

janneg:

Essobi: it was a joke, the amount of water used is heavy

[14:53:02]

Essobi:

Oh.. Hehe.

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juski:

svn del G.A.N.T.

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juski:

whoops

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, that'll never work, one too many periods :)

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janneg:

he still should be locked away for crazyness though

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gbee:

I'd remove those themes from 0.22 to an old-themes package or similar, those which aren't updated for 0.23 should be dropped

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juski:

iamlindoro: doh I forgot about the windows compatibility patch

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juski:

I'll make sure to call my next effort $foo.

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iamlindoro:

/.

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Essobi:

juski: Yea... that'll be REALLY easy to google for.

[14:55:30]

juski:

like it's any use googling for any of my other work :D

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Essobi:

.... what work?

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Essobi:

j/k :)

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iamlindoro:

youch

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Essobi:

It could be worse...

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** iamlindoro wonders what work Essobi has done to feel entitled to make said remarks **

[14:56:38]

Essobi:

if you google my name... Two porn stars took my name cause they thought it was cool. :|

[14:56:47]

juski:

you're right. I might've been the guy who did leafers-wide

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Dibblah:

sphery: Wow. Looks like Mr angry didn't take his pills this morning – re the -dev list mythrename stuff.

[14:57:38]

Essobi:

Even worse... One is a REALLY REALLY old porn star who has a world record for the number of them... and the other is a gay pornstar. :(

[14:57:57]

juski:

so?

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superdug:

Essobi: we all strive towards great things

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juski:

could be worse

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Essobi:

Hehe.. I'm just saying.. I don't play the 'let's google my name game' anymore... it's been tainted, no put intended.

[14:58:40]

Essobi:

punt...

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Essobi:

pun

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jduggan:

facepalm

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Essobi:

I can't type today...

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juski:

everything on the internet is tainted by association

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juski:

i.e. it's on the internet :)

[14:59:34]

Essobi:

I R N Ur InterruBes tainTing your associations.

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superdug:

I found an interesting thing last night ... apparently the mpeg file of meteor (horrible NBC show) at around 44:00:00 causes the Apple kernel to segfault and die a very painful death

[15:00:56]

superdug:

was able to make it crash via vlc completely out of mythfrontend

[15:00:57]

jduggan:

reproduceable?

[15:01:16]

superdug:

jduggan: yeah, seek to about a second before it ... crashes every time :-/

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juski:

the 4400 is not insignificant methinks

[15:01:24]

jduggan:

interesting ;)

[15:01:27]

juski:

they are responsible!

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juski:

maybe teh aliens don't like Steve-o

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superdug:

I haven't upgraded VLC ... so I'm thinking perchance it might be related to something there

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superdug:

and the only thing it has to do with myth ... is that it was recorded with it

[15:03:15]

superdug:

but playback crashes OS X with or without the frontend

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juski:

all myth does is slap the stream onto disk

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juski:

unless you edit/transcode it of course

[15:03:56]

superdug:

juski: yeah, which is why I'm leaning away from it being a myth bug at all

[15:04:15]

superdug:

maybe NBC wanted to save me from watching such a horrible program?

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janneg:

superdug: tried playing it with quicktime?

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Essobi:

superdug: .... kernel panic? what version?

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superdug:

janneg: quicktime throws a fit "ZOMG THIS ISN'T A MOVIE FILE!!"

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superdug:

Essobi: 10.5.7

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superdug:

janneg: note that's not exactly the error message

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Essobi:

Wow.. reboots or kills everything in site?

[15:05:48]

janneg:

quicktime can't play mpeg-ts?

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superdug:

apparently mine can't :-/

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superdug:

Essobi: kernel panic ... IE screen turns into one large power button and a multilingual message appears on the screen telling you to push and hold the power button

[15:06:43]

superdug:

Essobi: though it does at least apologize for it

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janneg:

superdug: already suspected that the error message wasn't copied-n-pasted

[15:07:16]

superdug:

janneg: for some reason, no one ever likes my UI design suggestions ...

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Essobi:

superdug: Wow... that's awesome.. nothing else reproduces it? You should slice out the offending frames, and see what it do..

[15:07:42]

Essobi:

superdug: Sounds like a nasty little potential exploit if it's actually a bug in the kernel.

[15:07:56]

superdug:

Essobi: lol, then what embed it on a page at http://www.killyourmac.com/ ?

[15:08:00]

Essobi:

:)

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Essobi:

FO SHO

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juski:

hometimeski!

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superdug:

Essobi: well, I'm not sure how I'd report said bug ... my *mac* isn't exactly a mac

[15:08:48]

Essobi:

Oh.. A hackintosh..

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Essobi:

Well.. send it to someone else and see if they get the same error on a real deal..

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superdug:

yes ... and I believe it has something to do with the video driver

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superdug:

and since moonlight appears to be forever broken ... linux on my htpc is not-doable :-(

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Essobi:

what's moonlight?

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Essobi:

Oh.. I see it..

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cesman:

sunlight reflected off the surface of the moon

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Essobi:

They killed the moonlight project? that sucks..

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iamlindoro:

logic error

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iamlindoro:

re-read above until comprehension sets in

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jduggan:

heh

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coldpenguin:

@Janne, thanks for revn# 20961, this appears to have fixed the problem with mythfrontend crashing on certain recordings. Have only tried it on one system yet, but it was with a recording I knew caused the issue.

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janneg:

coldpenguin: you're welcome. thanks for letting me know that it fixes the issue

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sulx:

any regression known with dvb subtitles after resent ffmpeg sync? or is it just me...

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iamlindoro:

can't know that unless you describe what you're talking about...

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janneg:

sulx: there was one but it should be fixed and they work for me

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mkrufky:

SHADOW_V: ping

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SHADOW_V:

mkrufky : pong

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mkrufky:

SHADOW_V: http://kernellabs.com/hg/~mkrufky/cx23885/

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mkrufky:

probably not fixed yet

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mkrufky:

but this is closer

[16:03:18]

mkrufky:

if that doesnt work, next try this: http://kernellabs.com/hg/~mkrufky/cx23885-api/

[16:03:31]

mkrufky:

that might actually be fixed, but please try them in order

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SHADOW_V:

ok give me like 5 minutes

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mkrufky:

thanks

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SHADOW_V:

thank you kind sir

[16:04:02]

mkrufky:

the 2nd link, i migh thave broken some stuff too .. .not sure

[16:04:06]

sulx:

janneg: ok, i'll try latest, 20954 still has issues

[16:04:18]

mkrufky:

but the first link, definately fixes SOME of the problems, and stoth is going to have those merged today

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SHADOW_V1:

apparently my laptop doesnt want me to try to fix anything

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mkrufky:

laptop? HVR1800 is a PCIe card

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SHADOW_V1:

mkrufky i am talking to you on a laptop which is giving me issues

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mkrufky:

ah

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SHADOW_V1:

i know its a pcie card

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wagnerrp:

its a really big laptop

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mkrufky:

lol

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SHADOW_V1:

some docking stations have pcie slots

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i could have gotten a docking station for my laptop with a half-height PCI slot

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wagnerrp:

not sure what the purpose would be

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mkrufky:

testing!

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wagnerrp:

maybe a gigabit NIC or something

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SHADOW_V1:

i have to step out for awhile i will be back but i will def test it today

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SHADOW_V1:

and i will read the logs to make sure i am using the right tree

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mkrufky:

SHADOW_V1: ok ... let me know how it goes

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mkrufky:

SHADOW_V1: i wouldnt be surprised if its not entirely fixed yet, but it should be better than before, at least

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SHADOW_V1:

well after i need to step out i will def test it

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mkrufky:

thanks

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jams:

iamlindoro- which router did you pickup for openwrt? mine started smoking last night

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iamlindoro:

jams: ASUS 500W (I think that's the right model #)

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jams:

happy with it?

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it's been solid

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jams:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

No complaints-- I don't tend to poke at the router too much, happier just to "set it and forget it"

[16:48:12]

iamlindoro:

no problem

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iamlindoro:

but haven't reset it even once

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jams:

bought a us robotics as a temp solution just to get online, but it's really lacking in feature

[16:48:52]

jams:

doesn't even have wireless, and the ui is straight out of the early 90's

[16:49:13]

meshe:

they still make USR's?

[16:49:40]

jams:

meshe it may have been sitting on the shelf since the 90's =)

[16:49:52]

meshe:

hehe, probably

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** kormoc sighs and thinks he'll need to buy dedicated 802.11n hardware **

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** iamlindoro wonders if santa^H^H^H^H the UPS man has visited kormoc yet today **

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kormoc:

negative :(

[16:51:30]

iamlindoro:

The day is still young!

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kormoc:

although it is out for delivery

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jams:

meshe- 2006 same year as my USR modem

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iamlindoro:

yayyyyyyy

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: And maybe other treats today too, I'm keeping one eye out for the UPS man myself

[16:52:02]

kormoc:

hehe :)

[16:52:04]

iamlindoro:

Though I'm not counting on that

[16:52:22]

kormoc:

I have a fair bit of setup to do before I'm ready for that anyway :)

[16:52:35]

jams:

UPS never ever delivers early.

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meshe:

i saw the ups truck come and go already today :S

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** kormoc eeps **

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kormoc:

Screw work, I'm gonna go sit on the stoop!

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meshe:

they come 3–4 times a day here

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kormoc:

busy place?

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iamlindoro:

I usually see the guy at 10:30 or so

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iamlindoro:

and then again at 3

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meshe:

tech park

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meshe:

Nintendo is on the ground floor, bell has the whole floor above us

[16:54:44]

kormoc:

Cardoe finally bumped Gentoo's version

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jams:

I have had packages sit in the warehouse for 3 days less then 10 miles from here. They wouldn't let me pick them up either. Only on the scheduled delivery date would it be available.

[16:55:14]

kormoc:

I'd set the warehouse on fire, but it's a little counter productive before delivery...

[16:55:16]

meshe:

jams: don't tell me that, the scheduled date for my iPhone is wednesday :S

[16:55:51]

jams:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

jams: That's irritating, I have managed to sweet talk the counter person once or twice but usually the same here too

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jams:

it's almost always worth the couple extra dollars to ship fedex. They will deliver early if the pkg arrives early

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jams:

that being said I do like our ups guy.

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inordkuo:

hey guys. does this sound right? my AMD 3800 X2 2ghz cpu doesn't have the hp to play back a 1080i full bitrate recording from my hdpvr even with no deinterlacing.

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jams:

he will even wrap the pkg in plastice if it looks like rain

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iamlindoro:

inordkuo: Yes, that sounds right

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inordkuo:

oops..forgot to mention using vdpau and an 8400gs w 512mb ram

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gbee:

inordkuo: yeah that sounds right

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU should handle it fine, though

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gbee:

that cpu would just be enough to playback sliced h.264, but it doesn't stand a chance with hd-pvr material

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inordkuo:

iamlindoro: well that's good news i suppose. i'll keep looking for a solution then.

[16:59:06]

meshe:

moar power

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inordkuo:

gbee: even with vdpau?

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gbee:

inordkuo: you aren't using vdpau if it's failing to play

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iamlindoro:

^^ agree

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inordkuo:

it's playing...just stuttering

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gbee:

yeah, it's not using vdpau then

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inordkuo:

nvp: prebuffering several times a second

[16:59:56]

iamlindoro:

Is this real myth or crazy people myth?

[17:00:14]

inordkuo:

mythfrontend -v playback output seems to tell me it is

[17:00:20]

iamlindoro:

Meaning trunk, or the crossbreed?

[17:00:30]

inordkuo:

i'm running trunk

[17:00:30]

iamlindoro:

MulatoMyth

[17:00:36]

iamlindoro:

Well that's good at least :)

[17:00:54]

gbee:

inordkuo: it might try to use vdpau, but fail and fallback to standard ffmpeg decoding

[17:01:30]

meshe:

pastebin the log and what video card you're running

[17:02:01]

inordkuo:

ok

[17:02:41]

gbee:

8400gs ... isn't that one of those which doesn't? Or you have to be careful about which revision because nvidia mixed/matched the chips?

[17:03:21]

inordkuo:

http://pastebin.com/m13f2d723

[17:03:27]

kormoc:

8400gs is a mobile?

[17:03:36]

inordkuo:

no not mobile

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inordkuo:

fanless though

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meshe:

i think that was the bare minimum for vdpau and may or may not work, but i though they updated the drivers

[17:03:52]

kormoc:

then it should support it (according to our wiki)

[17:04:08]

iamlindoro:

That's VDPAU, but it's also using deinterlacing

[17:04:09]

highzeth:

my 8400GS(512M) gainward, also fanless, utilizes vdpau fine

[17:04:16]

inordkuo:

oh right...

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iamlindoro:

VDP: GetFilteredDeint() : vdpau -> 'vdpaubobdeint'

[17:04:19]

inordkuo:

i turned it back on

[17:04:34]

gbee:

VidOutVDPAU: Created VDPAU context (software decode)

[17:04:40]

inordkuo:

bc i saw someone's post saying bobx2 got rid of some sort of stuttering

[17:04:46]

gbee:

err, sure you've specified vdpau for the decoder?

[17:04:52]

inordkuo:

gbee: i saw that and googled it

[17:04:58]

inordkuo:

didn't come up w anything though

[17:05:03]

iamlindoro:

means your playback profile is wrong

[17:05:12]

iamlindoro:

You set VDPAU for the renderer and not the decoder

[17:05:30]

gbee:

which revision of trunk?

[17:05:56]

gbee:

juski: The theme (glass-wide) is missing a themeinfo.xml file

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inordkuo:

iamlindoro: decoder is nvidia VDPAU acceleration

[17:06:28]

inordkuo:

and video renderer: vdpau

[17:06:37]

iamlindoro:

Which drivers?

[17:06:45]

inordkuo:

latest stable

[17:06:54]

iamlindoro:

195.xx.xx are known to work poorly

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iamlindoro:

er 185

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inordkuo:

185.18.14

[17:07:09]

iamlindoro:

recommendation by folks who know is to go back to 180.60

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inordkuo:

did that too

[17:07:18]

iamlindoro:

numerous issues with 185.xx

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inordkuo:

went back to 180.60

[17:07:25]

inordkuo:

this morning

[17:07:31]

inordkuo:

similar results

[17:07:57]

** iamlindoro shrugs **

[17:08:07]

iamlindoro:

might want to dd out a sample and have folks try it

[17:08:13]

inordkuo:

my trunk version number hasn't been going up in the last couple of upgrades...

[17:08:25]

kormoc:

trunk version number?

[17:08:39]

inordkuo:

when i do mythbackend --version

[17:08:58]

inordkuo:

the number is still 20771

[17:09:22]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like you are having update problems

[17:09:30]

iamlindoro:

you are using svn to check it out, right?

[17:09:32]

inordkuo:

yes

[17:09:33]

iamlindoro:

20771 is pretty old

[17:09:44]

inordkuo:

i tried make uninstall

[17:09:49]

iamlindoro:

200ish revisions old

[17:09:50]

inordkuo:

then a make clean

[17:09:53]

inordkuo:

make distclean

[17:09:56]

inordkuo:

and reinstall

[17:10:10]

iamlindoro:

what does "svn up" do?

[17:10:12]

inordkuo:

still shows up as 20771

[17:10:19]

iamlindoro:

last line should be "At revision 20969."

[17:10:32]

iamlindoro:

you are svn up'ing, right?

[17:10:52]

inordkuo:

i just did an svn up

[17:10:59]

inordkuo:

and says updated to rev 20969

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kormoc:

svn info

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kormoc:

what's the repo url it shows?

[17:11:24]

inordkuo:

but when i do make and make install

[17:11:30]

inordkuo:

version number doesn't change

[17:11:46]

iamlindoro:

you are installing to different prefixes

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iamlindoro:

"which mythbackend"

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inordkuo:

i thought i saw something in trac that said the version number moved and maybe that's what was causing it

[17:12:09]

inordkuo:

i install to /usr/local

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iamlindoro:

I'll bet a nickel it's different from your configure prefix

[17:12:27]

kormoc:

that's a costly nickel to mail out too

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inordkuo:

/usr/local/bin/mythbackend

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inordkuo:

and my prefix is /usr/local

[17:13:06]

inordkuo:

i'll monkey around with it a bit more and report back...see if i can get the version number sorted

[17:13:10]

Dr{Who}:

Q: NVidia ION does this have VDPAU?

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inordkuo:

before trying to tackle the vdpau

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inordkuo:

thanks guys

[17:13:24]

gbee:

inordkuo: definately not using vdpau for decoding then, if it were, then those H264 messages would be H264_VDPAU

[17:13:29]

iamlindoro:

Dr{Who}: "have" isn't exactly right, is capable of, yes

[17:13:43]

inordkuo:

ah ok

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inordkuo:

gbee: thanks

[17:13:52]

inordkuo:

good to know

[17:14:19]

gbee:

that changed after the ffmpeg resync in 20797 which is 26 revisions after your current version

[17:14:28]

Dr{Who}:

iamlindoro: ok so it has the hardware for it but software / drivers are lacking?

[17:14:45]

iamlindoro:

Dr{Who}: No, it has the hardware and the drivers, nothing lacking

[17:14:56]

gbee:

following the resync it just says H264 again, but it's a telltale sign in all versions before that

[17:15:12]

iamlindoro:

Dr{Who}: Just that VDPAU isn't something hardware "has"

[17:15:51]

iamlindoro:

VDPAU is an API, and thus is software-- hardware is capable of using VDPAU accel

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gbee:

inordkuo: make distclean, re-run configure, make, make install

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iamlindoro:

and before make install, for safety: rm /usr/local/lib/libmyth*

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sphery:

Dibblah: Yeah. Guess I shouldn't have said anything. I guess it will work fine for the one guy who actually puts /all/ his recordings (and his symlinks) on the same filesystem.

[17:29:21]

coldpenguin:

Hi, RE version numbers, noticed yesterday that the version numbre being stated as being run, is not hte real version number any more. I am doing, make distclean; ./configure; make ; make install for each compile. I also know that the binary really is up-to-date, as the revision 20961 fixed a bug on playback for my system. --version reports 20837 however for backend and frontends

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sphery:

coldpenguin: version number is generated at compile time using SVN tools in version.cpp. If you don't have those tools or you svn export before building, you don't get the right info (without manually/scriptly putting it there).

[17:31:56]

sphery:

coldpenguin: if you're building in a proper svn working copy and the user building has access to the SVN tools in the normal PATH, I'd guess that you're not running the version you think (but possibly a patched version of the older one from your previous testing)

[17:31:57]

coldpenguin:

I am running 'svn up', to grab before each distclean, shouldn't this be enough?

[17:32:03]

sphery:

svn status

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gbee:

svn info

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sphery:

yeah, check both

[17:32:38]

sphery:

see if there were conflicts (like you didn't clean up after gbee moved version.cpp)

[17:32:53]

gbee:

good point

[17:32:58]

Shadow__X:

hey mkrufky i am going to try it now

[17:33:11]

coldpenguin:

svn status reports ? marks for a diff patch I was trying last night, and my bash script to compile (which is make distclean....)

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coldpenguin:

svn info looks correct, shows Revision 20969 Node kind directory

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gbee:

ls mythtv/libs/libmythupnp | grep version.cpp

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coldpenguin:

shows that version.cpp exists (but is dated 8th July)

[17:36:13]

coldpenguin:

it has the 'incorrect' information in it.

[17:36:28]

coldpenguin:

If this is auto-generated at compile time, shouldn't a make distclean delete it?

[17:37:07]

gbee:

probably was never added as a clean target, especially not since it was moved

[17:37:11]

gbee:

rm it

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gbee:

ls mythtv/libs/libmythdb | grep version.cpp

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coldpenguin:

Doesn't exist (but got ahead of myself and did a make distclean before hand),

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gbee:

grep -R version.pro mythtv/libs/libmythdb

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coldpenguin:

Hmm, on my other system (which has compiled the same times) shows both files exist, the previous one, and this mythdb one as being 20th july

[17:42:42]

** sphery is still a fan of /always/ building Myth in a pristine SVN working copy **

[17:43:07]

sphery:

(which I maintain using tar, not svn co--only did one svn co of Myth in my life, and when we first switched to svn)

[17:43:51]

coldpenguin:

I am guessing that this line is the one of interest:mythtv/libs/libmythdb/Makefile: sh "/usr/local/src/mythtv-trunk/mythtv/version.sh" "/usr/local/src/mythtv-trunk/mythtv" ": http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/version.pro "

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coldpenguin:

I thought though that svn was meant to keep a track of which files are deleted and re-created, and deal with that for you

[17:45:38]

sphery:

version.cpp isn't in the repo, so svn won't know it's deleted

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coldpenguin:

oh, ok. Would it not make sense to add it as an empty file. That way on each update or checkout, it would be emptied too? Or does the script only create it if it doesn't exist (rather than check the contents?)

[17:46:44]

Shadow__X:

mkrufky ok so i cloned the source you referred me to do you want me to see if it works with mythtv?

[17:46:58]

iamlindoro:

coldpenguin: svn updates don't steamroll over modifications

[17:47:08]

iamlindoro:

so creating an empty file wouldn't reset it to empty on an update

[17:47:21]

coldpenguin:

does on mine. Well, it asked anyway

[17:47:27]

sphery:

and there are plenty of cases where svn up fails to fix up everything because of pre-existing changes in your wc, so if you have a never-before-compiled-in wc with no changes (that you got from tar cf), it always works

[17:47:33]

iamlindoro:

not unless it can't resolve the conflict

[17:47:44]

gbee:

I need to check the qmake docs, but I might be able to add it to QMAKE_CLEAN

[17:47:52]

iamlindoro:

if you make modifications it can figure out, it will just merge the two without notifying you

[17:48:09]

coldpenguin:

nice. I think I am going off svn,

[17:48:12]

sphery:

merging anything to an empty document yields the anything

[17:48:28]

sphery:

svn isn't bad, but if you know its weaknesses, you can work aruond them

[17:49:07]

iamlindoro:

As long as you keep up to date, it does a rather nice job of tracking local changes usually

[17:49:21]

iamlindoro:

if you wait forever and ever to svn up, yeah, you can confuse it-- but I don't

[17:49:26]

coldpenguin:

I have only used it on simple projects.

[17:49:54]

meshe:

it's change detection is better than CVS which i feel is quite braindead sometimes

[17:51:11]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Not responding to the --hardlink guy?

[17:51:22]

iamlindoro:

figured that last e-mail merited a response

[17:51:25]

sphery:

Don't think so

[17:51:44]

iamlindoro:

The one where he told you that you haven't looked at the code and don't know what uPnP devices are :)

[17:52:03]

iamlindoro:

Sometimes I wish you were just a little bit more informed, sphery

[17:52:05]

iamlindoro:

;)

[17:52:08]

meshe:

i think he just doesn't know who sphery is :)

[17:52:48]

gbee:

the odd thing is that it shouldn't be including the old version.cpp, it's no longer listed in the pro file and therefore it shouldn't be in the Makefile either

[17:53:01]

sphery:

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but checking link count does not help at all, right?

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sphery:

because you record something, then --hardlink creates a hard link and link count = 2, so as long as the recording exists, it will delete and replace the hard link. Then, you watch and delete the show in Myth, so link count = 1 on the hard link and now the script won't delete it, so you leave either the full multi-GB file or the <4MB "end of truncation" file

[17:55:01]

sphery:

(all since he says it only deletes files if link count > 1)

[17:55:42]

gbee:

oh let him shoot himself (and others) in the foot

[17:55:43]

sphery:

coldpenguin: wanna pastebin the output of: svn info && svn status

[17:55:57]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, it's others' foots I'm worried about :)

[17:56:13]

gbee:

sphery: committed a fix for coldpenguin's problem

[17:56:22]

sphery:

ah, cool

[17:56:33]

sphery:

just wondering why it seemed to be using the old one

[17:57:17]

** gbee shrugs **

[17:57:41]

gbee:

makes no sense to me

[17:57:45]

sphery:

And, really, if he can mount an NFS/CIFS filesystem on his popcorn hour, why couldn't he mount multiple? Or does it do something brain dead like choose its own mount points for you?

[17:57:54]

gbee:

but still, fix is easy

[17:58:10]

sphery:

yeah, sometimes my curiosity gets the better of me...

[17:59:14]

GreyFoxx:

For my motherinlaw who uses a PCH to access my content which is spread over 3 fileservers I have a special samba share underwhich I create links to all of the other stuff which is mounted to that box

[17:59:17]

sphery:

I spent many days of work on such a "just curious" case (the DB character encoding corruption issue)--even though I really wasn't affected (other than hearing all the people saying Myth is broken when I was nearly certain it wasn't)... Guess maybe I should be more careful about digging into things that aren't a problem for me. :)

[17:59:34]

GreyFoxx:

so she goes to "export" and sees all videos/receordings merged into a single directory tree

[17:59:40]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: and you disable unix extensions on the share so the server resolves symlinks?

[17:59:42]

GreyFoxx:

but are actually links to files in 3 seperate locations

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gbee:

pays to cut your losses sometimes, I could spend the next hour trying to figure it out, or I could do something productive :)

[18:00:19]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: Only thing I had to do was change 1 nfs setting on each of the sharing file servers

[18:00:20]

sphery:

yeah, with --hardlink, it would require all recordings are on the same device, which necessitates a return to LVM/RAID multi-disk configurations

[18:01:03]

meshe:

if it gets committed, then it should clearly state that in the docs

[18:01:34]

sphery:

meshe: and, more importantly, should state that it will leave garbage copies of recordings on your filesystem after you delete them in Myth

[18:01:50]

** meshe nods **

[18:01:52]

sphery:

but, hey, Myth recorings are usually only a few gigabytes each, so how much of an issue could that be ;)

[18:01:58]

gbee:

and in the help text too, "--hardlink – Hard links to files. For use by idiots only"

[18:02:05]

dmoonfire:

Salutations. I have a little problem and I figured I'd ask here before the mailing list. I have a split FE/BE system. My FE has an occasional problem where it doesn't respond to ir requests for 5–10 minutes while playing recorded shows. Sometimes, it is fine and responds immediately. Any ideas?

[18:02:11]

sphery:

gbee: heh

[18:02:35]

sphery:

dmoonfire: please pastebin: mythfrontend --version

[18:03:03]

meshe:

gbee: then i wouldn't suggest committing it ;)

[18:03:56]

dmoonfire:

sphery: Sure, give me a second.

[18:05:37]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: This is what I use to build the list and such : http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1501185

[18:05:38]

dmoonfire:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/d34bc541

[18:05:50]

iamlindoro:

sphery

[18:05:57]

iamlindoro:

just wanted to be part of the sphery party

[18:06:20]

GreyFoxx:

Basically I nfs mount 3 filesystems from seperate file sysrtems to the machine woop. Woop contains the recordings. on woop I share out "exports" which is a directory containing symlinks to the mounted stuff in one big directory tree

[18:06:39]

GreyFoxx:

just like how mythvideo will merge together the SG videos and such into one big list

[18:06:43]

iamlindoro:

MythTV Version : Unknown *sigh*

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dmoonfire:

Joys of using debian-multimedia?

[18:07:05]

sphery:

dmoonfire: OK. That, unfortunately, doesn't help... Was is built by a packager or did you do the build yourself? I need to know if the SVN revision is r19222 or higher. If not, you need to update. If so, you should see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5660 .

[18:07:21]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: It might not be pretty but it works for her :)

[18:07:40]

iamlindoro:

if it's debian-multimedia it's not fixes last time I heard

[18:07:47]

iamlindoro:

it's just plain ol' .21, ugh

[18:08:00]

sphery:

dmoonfire: if it's build by a packager, it would be /wonderful/ if you could get the packager to fix his build script to include the SVN revision in the version information. The Ubuntu and Fedora and Gentoo packagers all have scripts that do so, so likely you could use their work as a basis.

[18:08:03]

dmoonfire:

Probably not, seems to be the same version as the one reported in ticket 5660.

[18:08:21]

sphery:

dmoonfire: 5660 is a different problem

[18:08:22]

iamlindoro:

sphery: That's what'sisname, Marillat, right?

[18:08:29]

sphery:

(IMHO a phantom problem, really, ;)

[18:08:36]

iamlindoro:

That guy is responsible for a bunch of things that were broken in Ubuntu's build scripts, too

[18:08:39]

sphery:

but the r19222 one is real/fixed

[18:08:44]

iamlindoro:

like --enable-libx264

[18:08:48]

iamlindoro:

etc.

[18:09:01]

iamlindoro:

Though Ubuntu has at last fixed them, or so I heard

[18:09:05]

sutula:

Is there a digital version of Hauppauge PVR-500 yet? (Looking for dual-tuners)

[18:09:05]

sphery:

dmoonfire: sounds like a better upgrade might be to MythBuntu ;)

[18:09:31]

iamlindoro:

sutula: The HVR-2250 is the 2xdigital 2xanalog equivalent

[18:09:35]

dmoonfire:

sphery: Yeah, or build my own. According to apt-get, they are both Debian multimedia version: 0.21.svn20090530–0.

[18:09:38]

iamlindoro:

Only the digital side has some support yet, though

[18:10:56]

Shadow__X:

mkrufky the first source you gave me isnt working right

[18:11:04]

sutula:

Darn...my current backend doesn't have PCI-X

[18:11:12]

dmoonfire:

Oh well, guess I'm going to build instead of using a package. Is the current SVN stable or is there a better -r to use?

[18:11:20]

iamlindoro:

sutula: Good thing that card it's PCI-X

[18:11:22]

Shadow__X:

as in mythtv does the same thing with it as it used to

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iamlindoro:

think you mean PCIe

[18:11:29]

sphery:

dmoonfire: Well, on 20090530, we were on revision r20650 , so if that's really the date when -fixes was pulled, it's the "phantom" issue

[18:11:36]

iamlindoro:

er card isn't

[18:11:41]

** sutula nods to iamlindoro **

[18:11:46]

sphery:

dmoonfire: I /really/ think it's either X or Mesa or ... libraries doing bad things

[18:12:17]

iamlindoro:

If you want modern capability it's time to upgrade to a modern motherboard :)

[18:12:40]

sutula:

iamlindoro: Yep...thanks

[18:12:48]

iamlindoro:

nop

[18:12:51]

iamlindoro:

er np

[18:13:01]

dmoonfire:

sphery: At least it gives me a direction to aim in. I'll pull down a release and try that out first.

[18:13:07]

** sutula is about to purchase a 1600 and wanted to check first **

[18:13:18]

dmoonfire:

sphery, iamlindoro: Thank you kindly.

[18:13:29]

iamlindoro:

dmoonfire: np

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coldpenguin:

@spehry: http://www.pastebin.org/3242, from one of the systems, instcmd and doall are two commands I used to compile.

[18:17:30]

juski:

gbee: re the missing xml file, I know. Little I can do about it now

[18:17:44]

juski:

I see warnings about it in my logs too

[18:18:22]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I think I need to upgrade my 2 backends... Neither has on-board SATA, and when booting--if not cold booted "properly"--the SATA drives don't init before the PCI SATA card polls them, then the SATA card stops boot with some poor-grammar message about firmware not being uploaded. Unfortunately, it doesn't do a "proper" cold boot on power restore after an outage.

[18:18:40]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Yay, new toys!

[18:18:51]

sphery:

And I can't find a way to tell the SATA cards to ignore errors/keep polling

[18:19:01]

iamlindoro:

HD-PVRs! HD Sat boxes! New motherboards!

[18:19:03]

Shadow__X:

sphery, just upgrade already then send your old junk to kormoc :)

[18:19:06]

sphery:

(and since it's BIOS-level... :(

[18:19:12]

sphery:

Shadow__X: heh

[18:19:16]

iamlindoro:

feh, kormoc gets a new PC *today*

[18:19:31]

sphery:

The big benefit of the upgrade will be getting nice low-power backends (45TDP CPU's)

[18:19:53]

sphery:

the downside is it will take a while to recoup the cost through power savings :)

[18:20:04]

iamlindoro:

s/a while/a long long while/

[18:20:08]

meshe:

it's not a PC, it's Mac

[18:20:18]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Oh don't start that stuff

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** meshe laughs **

[18:20:33]

juski:

sigh. TDP of my crappy 2000XP CPU in my backend is 70W

[18:20:59]

** iamlindoro shudders to think what his backend's power use is **

[18:21:28]

juski:

even at Â£0.12 per kW/h it's just not worth upgrading for a cost saving

[18:21:46]

krisb:

we're all dead in 2012 anyway so who cares about power saving :p

[18:21:51]

iamlindoro:

#6747 has to be user error-- I had a browser up from MythNews last week, and it has barely been touched for ages

[18:21:53]

sphery:

iamlindoro: well, I have 89W TDP CPUs and would be going to 45W TDP ones. And since I run SETI@home, they're always max'ed, so assuming 44W@24/7/52, that's like $38.43/yr. :)

[18:21:53]

juski:

Â£4 per month or so. Meh

[18:21:54]

krisb:

2.8ghz p4 prescott backend ftw

[18:22:11]

iamlindoro:

sphery: So you only need to run those same boards for a few decades, then

[18:22:27]

juski:

so it'd take well over a year for an upgrade to pay for itself. pfft

[18:22:35]

juski:

prolly 2 years

[18:23:14]

sphery:

juski: you sure TDP is 70W? I have an 89W XP 2000+

[18:23:28]

mkrufky:

Shadow__X: hey, i was at lunch .... so the first tree didnt work, how about the 2nd one>

[18:23:30]

mkrufky:

?

[18:23:44]

juski:

sphery: I dunno what model it is precisely

[18:23:46]

meshe:

my backend is 35W TDP

[18:23:48]

sphery:

juski: nvm... seems there were many TDP's on that name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athl . . . roprocessors

[18:23:50]

Shadow__X:

i just finished thoroughly testing the first so its not me failing

[18:24:17]

Shadow__X:

mkrufky how should i go about trying the secound just hg clone it and make it and installit then reboot

[18:24:18]

Shadow__X:

?

[18:24:21]

sphery:

meshe: Intel? which proc?

[18:24:22]

juski:

sphery: all I know is it's "AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+"

[18:24:26]

sphery:

mobile one, I assume

[18:24:26]

Shadow__X:

just want to make sure i am following the right steps

[18:24:48]

sphery:

nice... the 5050e dropped $2 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103298 )

[18:24:54]

juski:

sphery: nah, whatever was cheapest at the time prolly

[18:24:56]

mkrufky:

Shadow__X: yup... just like the first one

[18:24:57]

** sphery goes to check if the $10 off promo code is still active **

[18:25:06]

meshe:

sphery: Celeron 430 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Ce . . . _.2865_nm.29

[18:25:26]

juski:

ahhh. It's a thoroughbred. model 8

[18:25:27]

sphery:

Promo codes expire 07/20/2009... kind of ambiguous

[18:25:47]

** iamlindoro is somewhat interested in an HVR-2250, even though he has more QAM tuners than he needs **

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juski_:

arghhh damn break key

[18:26:13]

juski_:

so only 60.3W TDP allegedly & it's never anything like maxed

[18:26:13]

iamlindoro:

Though I guess if I got a couple I could post to the users list about how to record all TV, at all times, forever and ever, amennnnnn

[18:26:28]

wagnerrp:

juski: sure, it would take 4yrs for mobo/proc/mem cost, but in the mean time, youre pumping out 3x the SETI units

[18:26:40]

juski_:

screw that

[18:26:45]

sphery:

Oooh... the promo works

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sphery:

at $47.99, that's just barely over a year for power savings. :)

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juski_:

I could care less if intelligent life exists on other planets. we need to find it HERE first

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sphery:

and, if I get a nice high-quality ECS mobo...

[18:28:00]

juski_:

and as for whatever the hell they call the 'burn cpu cycles to save the planet' whatsit.. heh

[18:28:13]

sphery:

(for anyone who's actually reading this for hardware advice, there's no such thing as high-quality ECS mobo's)

[18:28:15]

coldpenguin:

@iamlindoro: The thing I don't get about that is, it isn't that difficult to fo

[18:28:25]

meshe:

lol

[18:28:36]

juski_:

wagnerrp: in short, I know how long my wang is, and I'm not insecure enough to have to compete ;-)

[18:28:38]

** iamlindoro feels there must be more to that sentence **

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juski_:

bad choice of words there. whoops

[18:29:42]

coldpenguin:

???me? I meant 'to do'

[18:30:05]

juski_:

woo look who got the most $units! Must buy MOARCPUs so I can compete!

[18:30:12]

krisb:

hmm, the failed to read config file message from lirc, does that really mean failed to parse config file?

[18:30:16]

iamlindoro:

coldpenguin: It's difficult to do and still have the scheduler work properly-- it's also a massively retarded idea

[18:30:18]

wagnerrp:

coldpenguin: he was referring to the use of 'short' and 'his wang' in the same sentence

[18:30:26]

krisb:

on mythfrontend

[18:30:28]

photon is now known as lol

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juski_:

oh yeah, my frontend keeps fouling up lirc startup sometimes

[18:30:37]

lol is now known as photon

[18:30:40]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: no, I was referring to the scheduling thing, I'm leaving the wangs alone ;)

[18:30:54]

krisb:

well i switched the lircrc to a different remote and now it won't work at all

[18:30:59]

juski_:

maybe I've overdone the quieting measures :-)

[18:31:43]

coldpenguin:

Yeah, it is a crap idea, but within mythweb, you could easily (not that I have tried, but looking at it) set a custom schedule from 00:00 to 23:59 each day, ad-infinitum, set the exact recorder, and then repeat for each channel

[18:32:01]

coldpenguin:

He didn't specify he wanted separate recordings

[18:32:14]

iamlindoro:

coldpenguin: The point isn't to have a 24 hour long manual recording

[18:32:31]

iamlindoro:

It's fairly evident he wished to preserve program info

[18:33:00]

juski_:

janneg raised a great point about the scheduler needing to be pacified I think

[18:33:33]

juski_:

that amount of activity would, to say the very least, subject it to the most arduous testing it'll have ever had ;-)

[18:33:37]

sphery:

2GB RAM for only $24... And could get a good enough mobo for around $40...

[18:33:49]

coldpenguin:

Oh, ok. I only read a couple of the emails, then gave up. Didn't seem to be sensible (who would purchase the equipment before checking what they wanted to do [no matter how silly] would do it?)

[18:34:02]

iamlindoro:

sphery's building another machine, push back his patch completion dates another six months

[18:34:28]

coldpenguin:

You guys are in America I assume

[18:34:32]

juski_:

iamlindoro: when I was testing multirec I had 10 simultaneous recordings on the go & the scheduler was pushing 70% CPU usage spikes on my 800Mhz Athlon

[18:34:34]

coldpenguin:

Cheap hardware

[18:35:08]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I'd actually take the Athlon XP-based mobos/CPU/RAM to recycling, so shouldn't require significant work

[18:35:12]

iamlindoro:

juski_: Heh, just imagine what some of our more.. erm... "hack-enabled" members would see if they did that

[18:35:39]

sphery:

the bad part is trying to figure out whether the mobos would be stable enough for a mbe...

[18:35:41]

juski_:

they weren't all too frequent but noticable all the same

[18:35:57]

juski_:

sphery: if my crappy Via chipset jobs can cope ;-)

[18:36:07]

** sphery has had bad experiences with a certain company's chipsets **

[18:36:24]

juski_:

think I generally top out at 12 simultaneous recordings on a bad/good day

[18:36:51]

sphery:

My terrible SiS chipsets are /much/ more reliable than the high-performance chipset I used for a year for an MBE (overheated and caused memory corruption once every month or 2)

[18:37:18]

iamlindoro:

On the average day, I'm recording 3 and once max

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iamlindoro:

er 3 at

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iamlindoro:

have gone way above that, but 3 is the outside of normal for me

[18:37:32]

coldpenguin:

12 simultaneous! What are you recording? I don't think there are even 12 channels which have anything decent (per day) on here!

[18:37:59]

Shadow__X:

mkrufky trying the secound tree now

[18:38:10]

gbee:

you can say what you want about cheap kit, but I had a PC Chips board with SiS chipset which never once failed me

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Shadow__X:

but but its a sis chipset

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sphery:

gbee: yeah, both my backends are PCChips (technically, one is ECS) w/ SiS chipsets

[18:39:22]

sphery:

and rock solid stable

[18:39:24]

** iamlindoro swats Shadow__X with a newspaper **

[18:39:28]

iamlindoro:

go test your driver

[18:39:39]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, yeah i am i cant speed up make sir

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iamlindoro:

-j#

[18:39:52]

Shadow__X:

?

[18:39:59]

iamlindoro:

man make

[18:40:10]

Shadow__X:

i k now man has made alot of things

[18:40:13]

Shadow__X:

what are you getting at

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iamlindoro:

man make

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sphery:

the big problem with low-power is ideally I'd use integrated video, but I need nvidia video cards and they don't make mobos with integrated nvidia video cards with SiS (or any other) chipsets (besides chipsets from a certain company that haven't worked well for me in the past :)

[18:42:30]

coldpenguin:

time make -j 33 -> kernel source tree. Result 1 min 45 seconds

[18:42:58]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, thanks that speed things up a bit

[18:43:01]

juski:

jees. Took me ages to figure that one out. How to resume a stopped job

[18:43:07]

iamlindoro:

-j 33?

[18:43:17]

iamlindoro:

man make for you especially

[18:43:46]

sphery:

He has a 16 1/2 core computer

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sphery:

CPU

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iamlindoro:

heh, evidently

[18:44:34]

sphery:

he could save himself by just doing make -j without argument (for unlimited jobs)

[18:44:46]

sphery:

time, that is... save time

[18:44:52]

coldpenguin:

nah 8 processor, 4 cores per processor +1 for luck

[18:45:09]

iamlindoro:

man make

[18:45:37]

Shadow__X:

uh oh iamlindoro is stuck in a loop again

[18:45:41]

Shadow__X:

get out the wrench

[18:45:47]

** juski hits the reset button **

[18:45:53]

** iamlindoro swats Shadow__X with the newspaper again **

[18:46:03]

Shadow__X:

so agressive whats the issue

[18:46:13]

coldpenguin:

compiling the kernel without limit? That'll kill the disk access

[18:46:16]

juski:

heh somebody on the ML mentioned mythtube again

[18:46:17]

Shadow__X:

the box is rebooting now happy

[18:46:34]

iamlindoro:

juski: Thought to mention to them that it won't work even with trunk, decided I didn't care

[18:47:20]

sphery:

I know exactly what I'd buy for my 2 new backends except for mobo...

[18:47:26]

sphery:

I don't want to choose a mobo, either.

[18:47:44]

** iamlindoro buys some pants for his backend/frontend **

[18:47:48]

juski:

I hate choosing motherboards

[18:47:57]

iamlindoro:

but some chaps for a backend only

[18:48:13]

juski:

woo look I can have the cheap crappy ones with 2 PCI slots, or here's one with 4 PCI slots for Â£200

[18:48:23]

sphery:

iamlindoro: *groan*

[18:48:39]

iamlindoro:

YOU don't get to complain about puns, mister!!

[18:48:44]

sphery:

So, it's official... I'm holding off on the upgrade until I've upgraded my software.

[18:48:54]

gbee:

juski: I'm with you on that

[18:48:55]

jduggan:

i hate dealing with any hardware :p

[18:48:58]

sphery:

Then it will be easier so I won't have to delay iamlindoro's patches as much.

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iamlindoro:

bah, I don't want your patches any more

[18:49:11]

juski:

gbee: and no fscking UK seller lists by # of slots

[18:49:11]

sphery:

and prices may actually drop a bit more... (fingers crossed)

[18:49:17]

iamlindoro:

someone else can fix it now

[18:49:32]

gbee:

actually I hate shopping for a lot of electronic goods these days, too much choice, not enough to set them apart

[18:49:43]

juski:

they divide them up by CPU type, chipset manufacturer.. like I even care

[18:49:53]

gbee:

juski: aye, that was the thing that really drove me crazy

[18:50:02]

sphery:

gbee: so, the 5050e is now only $47.99 in the US. :)

[18:50:09]

juski:

you stop looking at stuff for 3 months & suddenly you're out of your depth all over again. Bah

[18:50:18]

gbee:

!trout sphery

[18:50:18]

** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a trout on behalf of gbee... **

[18:50:28]

iamlindoro:

juski: Now *your* patch I still want

[18:50:36]

iamlindoro:

pretty please?

[18:50:39]

juski:

iamlindoro: we have lots in common

[18:51:08]

juski:

look – I tried. My brain hurt & blood actually poured out of my ears I banged my head so hard

[18:51:11]

krisb:

i wonder if my old PVR350's still work

[18:51:14]

krisb:

setting up the backend now

[18:51:33]

gbee:

juski: in the end, the best I could find with the features I wanted was a 3 pci slot board

[18:52:00]

juski:

iamlindoro: I have a few theories. 1, I suck at coding. 2, I suck at coding & don't know enough about fancy coding stuff 3, all the above and I also need to get to know mythui a lot better

[18:52:22]

** iamlindoro sighs **

[18:52:34]

juski:

gbee: yeah I figured that, but with these tuners I really prefer to have a slot gap between em

[18:52:44]

jduggan:

how are usb tuners these days? last time i thought about it i heard stories of disconnecting tuners etc

[18:52:52]

sphery:

iamlindoro: so, your (IRC?) voice keeps repeating in my mind... "sphery: Not responding to the --hardlink guy?" Now I'm considering responding.

[18:52:54]

kormoc:

jduggan, talking to sphery again I see?

[18:52:57]

juski:

USB is still USB

[18:53:03]

iamlindoro:

sphery: dooooo itttttttt

[18:53:09]

kormoc:

meh

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juski:

gbee: wasn't gonna pester you but since iamlindoro won't shut up about it.. ;-)

[18:53:42]

kormoc:

just respond, 'FGS hardlink guy, you didn't hardlink anything!' ;)

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Shadow__X:

whats the command to use mplayer on a mpeg encoder

[18:53:50]

** iamlindoro puts on his street urchin hat, psters juski **

[18:54:02]

sphery:

jduggan: I have to admit I've never tried a USB tuner... I have had many other USB devices that get lost after time, though.

[18:54:06]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: mplayer /dev/videoNUMBER

[18:54:07]

coldpenguin:

?What is wrong with USB? (or are you talking DVB-S?) I have three DVB-T and don

[18:54:17]

coldpenguin:

''t have problems that are not due to me

[18:54:34]

juski:

coldpenguin: maybe your system hasn't been on long enough for you to find out yet ;-)

[18:54:43]

sphery:

kormoc: heh... Yay! I'm now not the only person who's reliving that quote time and again.

[18:54:44]

gbee:

juski: not making promises anymore, maybe some rainy evening I'll be in the mood

[18:55:02]

** iamlindoro seeds the clouds above gbee's house **

[18:55:19]

jduggan:

sphery, even my ergo 4000 gets lost atleast once a month :(

[18:55:26]

juski:

gbee: that's cool. Maybe it'll all come to me in a dream, or next time I look at it

[18:55:49]

juski:

we need more people, soon

[18:55:55]

coldpenguin:

been up around 150 days non-stop, in the last 2 years (too many power cuts, too long on a short UPS)

[18:55:57]

juski:

there's too much for too few to do

[18:56:02]

sphery:

jduggan: it's USB ergo it gets lost ;)

[18:56:05]

laga:

juski: tell news :)

[18:56:25]

iamlindoro:

juski: Pfft, plenty of people, just nobody approved to join the secret society

[18:56:44]

iamlindoro:

I'd look terrible in a clown mask and cloak anyway

[18:56:47]

juski:

I mean it's not even like there's some freakish brain-drain where people are jumping ship to other projects *development* wise

[18:56:57]

sphery:

I can't wait 'til USB 3 is out/ubiquitous... I really hope it makes USB highly reliable.

[18:57:14]

juski:

sphery: heh. USB2 fixed everything though, right?

[18:57:23]

coldpenguin:

I would offer to help code, but I am better at coding than debugging, and would need some time (and some sleep), and a good place to start

[18:57:32]

** kormoc sighs **

[18:57:36]

kormoc:

Delivery exception

[18:57:44]

iamlindoro:

Doesn't matter, Myth devs are at maximum occupancy

[18:57:55]

iamlindoro:

two men enter, no men leave

[18:57:56]

sphery:

juski: guess they have to say that for each one, then for a few years, we get to play and find out it didn't, so then we hope for the fixes in the next one

[18:58:09]

sphery:

but at least usb 3 no longer does the CPU polling thing

[18:58:19]

juski:

FWIW somebody could have my commit privs, for all I've used them lately

[18:58:20]

sphery:

I think that's a large portion of the issue

[18:58:34]

iamlindoro:

It's like being outside a full night club with a bouncer who holds it against you that you exchange oxygen for carbon dioxide

[18:58:56]

kormoc:

no mini today...

[18:59:02]

iamlindoro:

juski: Not that that would help, you still need to have not looked to hard at the wrong people

[18:59:07]

coldpenguin:

iamlindoro: You don't program in C do you? Naughty Naughty

[18:59:10]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Go to the depot and pick it up

[18:59:16]

kormoc:

I can?

[18:59:19]

iamlindoro:

yep

[18:59:27]

kormoc:

slick!

[18:59:34]

kormoc:

how do I find this?

[18:59:34]

iamlindoro:

take the door tag, which tells you where the office is, and you can usually get it after 5 or 6 PM

[18:59:49]

kormoc:

no door tag

[18:59:51]

juski:

iamlindoro: ah the old devil called egos getting in the way of the OSS schmoo

[18:59:58]

iamlindoro:

Then take the tracking #

[19:00:06]

juski:

and some ID, presumably ;)

[19:00:10]

iamlindoro:

yar

[19:00:25]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: How'd they have a delivery exception and no door tag?

[19:00:26]

juski:

though then again, I've managed to collect high value items without it

[19:00:28]

sphery:

do we actually uses system libmpeg2?

[19:00:35]

sphery:

if so, that explains why it like never works right

[19:00:46]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, I donno, it just swapped to it but never showed up

[19:01:02]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Are you at home?

[19:01:02]

Shadow__X:

mkrufky i installed the other driver and it reacts the same to mythtv and now i cannot get mplayer to function anymore i am unsure if the firmware is in my kernel or not is there a way to check

[19:01:05]

juski:

fscking hate OSS politics

[19:01:11]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, nope, work

[19:01:17]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, but shipped to work

[19:01:19]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: You can usually call and b**ch at the operator and they'll order the driver to swing back around

[19:01:25]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: "I've been here the whole time!!!"

[19:01:29]

iamlindoro:

no joke, I would

[19:01:33]

kormoc:

yeah, I should

[19:01:40]

** kormoc peers for a phone number **

[19:01:45]

sphery:

hmmm.. It's libmythmpeg2, so "Remote Mythfrontend Problem" is going on worrying about unimportant things

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[19:02:01]

juski:

kormoc: a mac mini would be worth hassling people for :)

[19:02:14]

iamlindoro:

juski: clearly people are satisfied with the status quo, or feel that things are working right, or they'd do something about it

[19:02:25]

mkrufky:

Shadow__X: firmware usually goes in /lib/firmware

[19:02:38]

juski:

iamlindoro: or feel there's nothing they *can* realistically do about it, so put up

[19:03:07]

iamlindoro:

juski: Open source gives a built in escape clause :)

[19:03:09]

juski:

all well & good yelling "fork!" if you need folks from areas you have no expertise in

[19:03:21]

iamlindoro:

Not if you just take all the folks who aren't the problem

[19:03:23]

iamlindoro:

;)

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[19:03:32]

juski:

many a project has died on its ass through that attitude

[19:03:45]

Shadow__X:

mkrufky there is v4l=cx23885-avcore-01.fw and -enc.fw

[19:03:54]

iamlindoro:

guess it depends on how effective you are about it

[19:04:01]

iamlindoro:

xorg managed to do in X11

[19:04:17]

iamlindoro:

because they took the people actually doing the work and cut out the people stopping work getting done

[19:05:58]

superdug:

mythtv --> FORK() --> legendTV

[19:06:01]

jams:

at first i didn't understand the point of xorg, but now i'm glad it is what it is.

[19:06:05]

iamlindoro:

But the truth is if nobody else is allowed to join the club, it's dead anyway

[19:06:06]

coldpenguin:

Is there any way of forcing an EIT scan? My slave backend, which only has DVB-S (the master has DVB-T only) doesn't seem to want to scan any more

[19:06:24]

jams:

heh legendTV nice

[19:06:24]

Shadow__X:

mkrufky mplayer doesnt want to load if i try on video0 is blurts out seek failed

[19:06:31]

Shadow__X:

and video1 gives me end of file

[19:06:35]

sphery:

of course, those who were stopping work getting done were focusing on X as a whole, versus the Windows X, er, I mean, "Only direct rendering is important so ignore all that other stuff since no one uses it, anyway, and make X so it requires direct rendering" crowd that moved... ;)

[19:06:59]

juski:

a built-in flaw in OSS is this, I think: Guy comes along & wants feature X. Bloke who maintains the thing also has plans for feature X but wants to do it a different way. End result.. two people who could have worked together end up pissing each other off & feature X gets put on the back burner

[19:07:09]

Shadow__X:

ahhh mkrufky nvm i did modprobe tuner and mplayer started to work

[19:07:09]

sphery:

(granted, since then, there's been a much better balance, so it's really a good thing that they both took their toys and found their own playgrounds)

[19:07:10]

CShadowRun:

Does anyone know how to enable the "Exit MythTV and shutdown" option?

[19:07:24]

juski:

CShadowRun: only works on remote frontends

[19:07:26]

superdug:

juski: what is your feature X ?

[19:07:34]

juski:

i.e. machines which aren't running mythbackend

[19:07:40]

sphery:

juski: Isn't that the story of the birth of ALSA :)

[19:07:42]

CShadowRun:

juski oh, no way to enable it?

[19:07:47]

coldpenguin:

Is there any way in which people can submit patches for review? The dev mailing list doesn't seem to accept them (well I only put one in, a few months back about mythtv-setup segfaulting during scanning, but there seemed to be no response)

[19:07:49]

CShadowRun:

its the only machine and i don't need it running 24/7

[19:07:51]

juski:

CShadowRun: not without hacking the code

[19:07:53]

iamlindoro:

juski: What happens when Guy A is in charge and just ignores everything said by devs 1–10 because guy b looks funny?

[19:08:01]

CShadowRun:

that's lame :P

[19:08:03]

jams:

i thought you could force it within one of the setup menus

[19:08:05]

iamlindoro:

coldpenguin: open a tiket

[19:08:08]

iamlindoro:

er ticket

[19:08:12]

iamlindoro:

svn.mythtv.org

[19:08:23]

iamlindoro:

Then, 6 months to 3 years later, someone will look at it

[19:08:30]

** superdug throws coldpenguin off the train and says "No Ticket!" **

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mkrufky:

ah, good Shadow__X

[19:08:46]

coldpenguin:

I responded (via email) to discussion on said ticket

[19:09:15]

iamlindoro:

coldpenguin: patches sent to the dev list aren't tickets

[19:09:41]

iamlindoro:

anyway, the scanner has been totally rewritten in trunk anyway, so that problem doesn't exist and your patch likely doesn't apply

[19:10:07]

jams:

CShadowRun- i think you can force it in the general setup menu

[19:10:10]

juski:

god, I thought I was disenfranchised

[19:10:14]

coldpenguin:

This was at the beginning of the year, when the scanner I was using from trunk was crashing

[19:10:20]

jams:

take a look, it's probably on "auto" right now.

[19:10:46]

superdug:

so ... is there any release date for .22 ?

[19:10:52]

juski:

nope

[19:10:53]

iamlindoro:

coldpenguin: And you didn't open a ticket on it :)

[19:10:57]

juski:

and the more people ask..

[19:11:20]

gbee:

ok, that question is now a ban-able offence

[19:11:37]

iamlindoro:

So when is .23 out?

[19:12:03]

Shadow__X:

mkrufky yeah with the secound tree its acting like it did all along the only way i can get it to work in myth is to tell it to use the tuner then go into terminal and use ivtv tune

[19:12:26]

Shadow__X:

if not itll just go back to the main menu and also trying to change channels within myth doesnt work

[19:12:54]

coldpenguin:

There was a ticket open!!!! I didn't think as a nobody, I could respond via the svn, so I did it via email. It isn't a problem, but if I make modifications the correct way, would be to raise a ticket for review. Is there a /sensible/ list of items waiting to be done with no-one assigned?

[19:13:13]

gbee:

iamlindoro: 14th April 2010 15:45GMT

[19:13:17]

gbee:

give or take a minute

[19:13:37]

iamlindoro:

coldpenguin: If there's a ticket open, you attach the patch to the ticket and add a comment to it

[19:13:53]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Oooh, something to blunt tax day here in the US, nice

[19:14:02]

superdug:

okay, better question ... how is a stable release ... determined in mythtv-development-world ?

[19:14:24]

iamlindoro:

coldpenguin: Myth (for better or worse) doesn't do a path review process... it does a "open a ticket and someday it'll be closed wontfix when someone else does it"

[19:14:32]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, negative on the re-delivery and negative on the pickup, it's going back to apple...

[19:14:33]

iamlindoro:

erm, I mean... "Open a ticket and someone will look at it..."

[19:14:33]

** kormoc sighs **

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: WHAT?

[19:14:45]

gbee:

targeted features are complete, no major known bugs

[19:14:45]

iamlindoro:

why? They usually make three attempts...

[19:14:49]

sphery:

how many delivery attempts?

[19:14:53]

sphery:

yeah, should be 3

[19:14:53]

kormoc:

first

[19:15:08]

iamlindoro:

That doesn't make sense

[19:15:14]

kormoc:

so the deal is, it was shipped to a business address without the business name, so it's not a valid address for delivery

[19:15:20]

sphery:

maybe it's only 3 for pc-based deliveries...

[19:15:32]

iamlindoro:

I'd get another operator on the phone and say you will come and pick it up...

[19:15:32]

kormoc:

because it's international and invalid, back to sender it goes

[19:15:44]

iamlindoro:

That's horse crap

[19:15:52]

kormoc:

The said a manager will be calling me back in a hour to talk more about this

[19:15:53]

** kormoc sighs **

[19:15:54]

superdug:

it's a computer ... not military grade urianium :-/

[19:15:57]

sphery:

might be able to contact Apple to get them to contact UPS/FedEx to modify the delivery request

[19:16:01]

iamlindoro:

You could get apple on the phone and get them to update it

[19:16:15]

sphery:

unfortunately, the shipper (not the receiver) has to contact the shipping company

[19:16:21]

laga:

superdug: urineium?

[19:16:30]

superdug:

laga: thats what she said

[19:16:38]

kormoc:

Yeah, I'll see what the manager says...

[19:16:50]

** coldpenguin lol **

[19:17:13]

juski:

is there any bloody courier company worth a *light* on this planet?

[19:17:16]

mkrufky:

Shadow__X: damn how many nicks u have?? u make it hard for me to use tab completion, lol .......

[19:17:40]

mkrufky:

Shadow__X: so anyway, this means the issue is not yet fixed — thanks for testing ... i'll let u know when i have more stuff ready

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meshe:

that sucks kormoc, i hope I don't run into that issue as well, my address with my cell carrier is work too :S

[19:22:06]

coldpenguin:

You can kinda see why they do it

[19:22:41]

Shadow__X:

mkrufky ok well glad to test would you like me to test the first tree again maybe tuner wasnt loaded i am more than happy to test and try and help

[19:22:50]

kormoc:

Not really, it's not that unusual to send a personal package to work... at least knock and see if the person it's addressed to is there

[19:22:50]

coldpenguin:

It would be 'easy' for someone in goods in to create a fraud. They order something, pay for it with means other than their own, get it sent to a Company address, with an unknown name on it, and sign for it.

[19:23:05]

kormoc:

still could

[19:23:14]

coldpenguin:

Then claim it is not delivered. There will be no proof of delivery as the person who signed wouldn't exist

[19:23:56]

coldpenguin:

At a home address, if the person exits the home in order to sign, there is kinda the expectation that they live there

[19:24:15]

kormoc:

Still can

[19:24:17]

meshe:

it's common practice to have products shipped to companies with the receivers name on the label, I've had stuff shipped to work for years and never had a problem

[19:24:21]

kormoc:

they don't care if the addressed person is right

[19:24:25]

coldpenguin:

Not great news for Kormoc though

[19:24:25]

kormoc:

just the business name

[19:24:37]

iamlindoro:

I send stuff to work all the time w/o my work name

[19:24:54]

kormoc:

I've never had this problem before as well

[19:25:02]

meshe:

maybe it's special shipping instructions from apple?

[19:25:08]

kormoc:

perhaps...

[19:25:09]

coldpenguin:

Yes, if someone accepts it, it is fine. But if someone says 'don't know them' then it gets nasty

[19:25:10]

** kormoc sighs **

[19:25:26]

coldpenguin:

It is a pain the preverbial

[19:25:28]

kormoc:

coldpenguin, the point is, valid name, no business name == rejection without attempt

[19:25:48]

** kormoc sighs **

[19:25:50]

coldpenguin:

yeah, I know.

[19:25:57]

kormoc:

it doesn't protect anyone

[19:26:04]

coldpenguin:

pita

[19:26:16]

kormoc:

and if Apple required a valid business name, they should have required it when I clicked, yes this is a business

[19:26:28]

meshe:

kormoc: call apple and see if they can fix it before it gets too far

[19:26:41]

coldpenguin:

It protects the seller to a little extent, but in this case they are wrong, as you had paid for it, and were waiting for delivery

[19:26:42]

kormoc:

yeah, will do after manager call

[19:27:31]

RyeBrye:

Apple should refund you any shipping you paid because of this snafu – which of course they probably wont – but they should

[19:27:38]

mkrufky:

Shadow__X: the first tree has some obvious fixes which i hoped might have resolved the mythtv issue, the 2nd tree has some hacks and tweaks in addition to whats in the first tree

[19:27:47]

kormoc:

I got free shipping, whoops

[19:27:52]

mkrufky:

Shadow__X: so, if the 2nd tree failed, its doubtful the first tree would work

[19:28:05]

mkrufky:

Shadow__X: but if you're bored feel free — theres always a chance

[19:28:16]

coldpenguin:

free shipping = doesn't get delivered

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coldpenguin:

shadow, what are you trying?

[19:30:07]

mkrufky:

im guessing theres no way to make a mythbackend respond to both ip addresses if a system has two NICs ?

[19:30:39]

mkrufky:

coldpenguin: shadow is testing a bug fix for me

[19:32:41]

krisb:

mkrufky: can't you just tell it to bind to 0.0.0.0 ?

[19:33:11]

iamlindoro:

no

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krisb:

really? why not?

[19:34:15]

sphery:

iamlindoro: you're such a goader

[19:34:23]

sphery:

just sent my response (that I probably shouldn't have sent)

[19:34:39]

iamlindoro:

Because the MBE address is set as a real, reachable value in the DB, which the frontends in turn look up to connect to said backend

[19:34:52]

iamlindoro:

0.0.0.0 would make the frontends try to connect to the backend at that address

[19:34:59]

iamlindoro:

which is invalid

[19:35:05]

krisb:

ah

[19:35:14]

krisb:

well hack the code and modify it to bind to INADDR_ANY then

[19:35:35]

krisb:

though i guess thats still wouldn't work, nevermind

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Oooooh, you're gonna make him maaaaad ;)

[19:38:06]

coldpenguin:

ok, just I know I had trouble with an HD cx2388 card, was going to offer to send the firmware, but guess I got the wrong end of the stick

[19:38:25]

krisb:

hm, rm is using 100% cpu on the backend i'm installing

[19:38:28]

coldpenguin:

mkufky, interestingly enough, my MBE has two IPs.

[19:38:29]

krisb:

for 10 minutes now

[19:38:41]

sphery:

iamlindoro: which part?

[19:38:59]

iamlindoro:

sphery: He's liable to get defensive about you recommending the patch not be used

[19:39:08]

sphery:

mkrufky: IIRC there was a discussion about binding to multiple IP's a long time ago, but I can't find it.

[19:39:49]

coldpenguin:

on one interface it is configured as having the database and mythBE, on the other interface, I only have mysql, I also use this second interface as the default route for the slave frontends. They can find the mythBE through this route, even /without/ forwarding enabled. The BE appears to respond correctly

[19:39:49]

sphery:

iamlindoro: Ah, well, he can get mad at that. It's my opinion. And, it's FOSS--free to modify as you desire--but there's nothing that says that /all/ modifications have to be accepted/incorporated.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: preaching to the choir ;)

[19:40:06]

sphery:

yeah, I know

[19:40:10]

sphery:

that's why I said it :)

[19:40:31]

sphery:

anyway, I tried to be as diplomatic as possible and I hope it didn't sound too condescending

[19:40:31]

laga:

sphery: oh hai captain obvious ;)

[19:41:06]

sphery:

mkrufky: Oh, btw, IIRC, the end result of the discussion was that there wasn't compelling reason to change the current implementation

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sphery:

laga: ??? me = capt obvious? (for the don't have to accept changes comment?)

[19:43:17]

laga:

"preaching to the choir" "that's why i said it" ;)

[19:43:22]

sphery:

oh

[19:43:45]

sphery:

I just meant that I'd heard him say basically the same thing, so I /knowingly/ preached to the choir :)

[19:46:37]

meshe:

ok, my phone hasn't shipped yet, the person I talked to last week lied to me, "absolute latest deliver date: Aug 17th"...

[19:46:48]

sphery:

Guess I should have said, "since Myth's deleting the original filename will have no effect on filesystem usage /unless the user enables Slow Deletes/"

[19:47:01]

sphery:

meshe: did they mention a year?

[19:47:02]

laga:

i think you mentioned that earlier

[19:47:30]

laga:

wow, 500MB updates for my arch box

[19:47:31]

meshe:

sphery: i almost should have asked, rediculous

[19:47:36]

sphery:

Yeah, I didn't mention the emphasized part in my e-mail

[19:48:18]

sphery:

from now on I'll send a draft of all my e-mails to iamlindoro for him to proof read before I send to the list...

[19:48:28]

meshe:

lol

[19:48:35]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, cas then yu know they wll be rigt

[19:49:05]

sphery:

yeah, well, sometimes I think you might be the only one who reads (or at least pretends to read) my novels :)

[19:49:30]

iamlindoro:

Heh, I read, I just bill for the time at the end of the year

[19:49:38]

meshe:

well, if you charged more for them, they'd have a higher perceived value

[19:50:28]

** meshe reads a most MTD emails, they are usally quite informative **

[19:50:53]

sphery:

OK, so any thoughts on how I can get last.fm to change their Terms of Use? http://www.last.fm/legal/terms#para3 in item iv basically says, "Subject to your strict compliance with these Terms of Use, Last.fm grants you a licence to ... [use the service] ... Provided that you ... iv. copy or seek to copy or "rip" any audio and/or audiovisual content from the Website or any part of the Service (including, without limitation, the ...

[19:50:59]

sphery:

... Last.fm widget);"

[19:51:14]

sphery:

So, basically, the way their clueless lawyers wrote the terms, you /have/ to steal content to use last.fm

[19:51:27]

sphery:

I'm almost positive that was not the intention.

[19:51:39]

sphery:

They've ignored my e-mail.

[19:51:49]

laga:

nerd rage. you need nerd rage

[19:51:50]

sphery:

Guess I should get the blogging world to make a big deal of it. :)

[19:51:57]

laga:

yep, that's what i meant

[19:51:57]

sphery:

yeha

[19:52:01]

laga:

or digg/reddit

[19:52:02]

sphery:

er, yeah

[19:52:27]

meshe:

theres a think called twitter, but i think your message is too long

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sphery:

a /. post would likely work... Too bad I hate /. so

[19:54:39]

meshe:

send it to El Reg, they'd have a field day with it

[19:54:52]

sphery:

good point--and it's a UK servic4e

[19:55:05]

sphery:

think I'll try the Inq, first

[19:57:47]

jams:

newegg has a bundle for the asus router with a hdhr

[19:59:03]

meshe:

one of our programmers pointed out an item in our TOS agreement: (paraphrased) You are not allowed to make any modifications to the software at all... If in violation of any of the terms you must immediately destroy any copy you have control over...

[19:59:09]

juski:

sphery: I know a DJ who tried ripping stuff from last.fm & spotify. Sounded great til he tried to mix the tunes seamlessly. Appears they had subtle slips in timing all over the place :-P

[19:59:17]

meshe:

kinda hard to work on a project when constrained like that ;)

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sphery:

juski: well, it's good he did try--as it's mandatory for use of the service. :)

[20:03:38]

juski:

ll

[20:03:43]

sphery:

meshe: nice... Did you delete all the copies at work?

[20:04:07]

meshe:

ummm, no, we requested an exception before we agreed to the TOS ;)

[20:04:14]

juski:

ok who keeps getting mythtv boxes to tweet all the guff about what's recording & what's playing?

[20:04:39]

juski:

I have to update the search string almost every bloody day now

[20:04:41]

sphery:

one day I might figure out what this twitter thing is all about

[20:04:55]

mkrufky:

i was afk, but i saw your responses sphery

[20:04:58]

sphery:

and/or facebook and/or myspace and/or all that stuff you youngsters have

[20:05:01]

juski:

it's like IRC but without the point

[20:05:07]

juski:

youngsters? lol

[20:05:20]

mkrufky:

the reason — the backend has two NIC's, and i want two separate networks to be able to play media from this backend

[20:05:34]

** juski turns 37 this weekend :-( **

[20:05:36]

mkrufky:

im probably out of luck

[20:05:45]

sphery:

mkrufky: yeah, it's quite possible that there may be reasons to modify it, now... might need re-evaluating

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sphery:

just wish I could find the discussion

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sphery:

unfortunately bind has too many unrelated uses in Myth

[20:06:31]

meshe:

juski: awww, you're almost the same age as my husband

[20:06:49]

juski:

meshe: gonna be out partying (messy) this weekend too :)

[20:06:59]

mkrufky:

well, so i moved the backend to respond on the OTHER ip address, and the mythtv protocols are working fine, but uPNP no longer works ... i wonder if uPNP is bound to the first NIC instead

[20:07:12]

coldpenguin:

mjrufky, it works.

[20:07:13]

sphery:

wow... I'll be 37 in 3 mos... Guess it's not my age that makes me out of the loop--I'm just not part of the in crowd :)

[20:07:31]

laga:

turned 22 this year. feeling old yet? :)

[20:07:35]

mkrufky:

coldpenguin: huh?

[20:07:36]

juski:

sphery: it's different things to different folks. FB leaves me cold

[20:07:45]

juski:

myspaz... speaks for itself

[20:07:47]

coldpenguin:

I have network 1, 192.168.1.0/24, ->192.168.1.10 MBE 10.1.0.10 <- 10.1.0.0/24

[20:07:49]

meshe:

i can't stand facebook

[20:07:55]

laga:

i love facebook

[20:08:02]

mkrufky:

coldpenguin: how did you do it?

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coldpenguin:

On my machine, I have configured, my router/main network is 192.168.1.1/24

[20:08:12]

meshe:

juski: happy birthday btw, and hope you have a fund weekend :)

[20:08:18]

laga:

but then again, i keep switching between two different universities so i can stay in touch with people easier

[20:08:19]

coldpenguin:

my MBE is 192.168.1.10

[20:08:19]

juski:

laga: did you admit anything mythtv related on there? ;-)

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juski:

I got hassled by people when I was still visible

[20:08:43]

coldpenguin:

On my diskless network, I have tftpbooted clients, on 10.1.0.0/24, from the MBE which is 10.1.0.10

[20:08:58]

Tuxteri:

hi all

[20:08:58]

coldpenguin:

I have mysql set to be on 192.168.1.10 and 10.1.0.10

[20:09:03]

Tuxteri:

so how is it, mythtv s2api support

[20:09:06]

coldpenguin:

My MBE is on 192.168.1.10 only.

[20:09:09]

juski:

meshe: it'll be happier than my 30th was, that's for sure :D

[20:09:15]

laga:

juski: nope.. i did on studivz (think FB clone), but no problems there

[20:09:27]

juski:

the weird thing is, I still don't *feel* old

[20:09:33]

meshe:

juski: that's good, hard to get much better than my 30th was

[20:09:37]

juski:

and sometimes, I don't act it either

[20:09:40]

juski:

:D

[20:09:49]

coldpenguin:

My 10.1.0.253 client is set to use database 10.1.0.10 (username+password), then it picks up 192.168.1.10 as a valid MBE

[20:09:49]

sphery:

Wow... I want this guy's CPU: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 03402#303402 (mythbackend using 1100% of cpu in deadlock) I've never been able to go beyond 100%.

[20:09:57]

juski:

meshe: I insisted on NO fuss. what did everybody do? Fuss :-(

[20:09:58]

meshe:

"I may have to grow old, but I never have to grow up!"

[20:10:11]

meshe:

juski: i got married on my 30th

[20:10:11]

coldpenguin:

Not needed, but because my main network is 192.168.1.0/24, on my MBE I also set:

[20:10:17]

meshe:

juski: in Las Vegas

[20:10:26]

coldpenguin:

sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1

[20:10:35]

juski:

heh nice

[20:10:37]

iamlindoro:

sphery: This one goes to 11.... hundred.

[20:10:51]

juski:

we had the start of the commonwealth games a couple of miles away from here

[20:10:57]

coldpenguin:

iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.10

[20:11:07]

juski:

I just wanted an early night but couldn't sleep for the ****ing fireworks etc

[20:11:12]

coldpenguin:

those two lines allow my diskless clients to browse the web as well

[20:11:36]

meshe:

sphery: i've seen 800%

[20:12:05]

meshe:

but that was pushing an 8 core box really hard

[20:12:18]

sphery:

but it's still only 100%, right?

[20:12:25]

sphery:

just 100% x 8

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gbee:

not what tops says

[20:12:37]

meshe:

top actually says 800%

[20:12:37]

juski:

MOAR%

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krisb:

coldpenguin: your diskless clients have 10.1.0.10 as default gw then?

[20:12:54]

mkrufky:

coldpenguin: ah, but all clients access the server via a single IP address

[20:12:56]

krisb:

or a route for 192.168.1.0/24 to that gw?

[20:12:59]

coldpenguin:

yes, they do, but it isn't necessary

[20:13:34]

coldpenguin:

well yes and no, but there is no reason why your secondary network can't have route -add -net 192.168.1.0/24 gw 10.1.0.10 is there?

[20:13:44]

sphery:

meshe: so, on a single multithreaded app that's taking 100% of 8 cores and top is rolling up threads by process?

[20:13:48]

coldpenguin:

previously they accessed 10.1.0.10

[20:13:53]

coldpenguin:

just if there are any

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meshe:

sphery: yup

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krisb:

not really, no :p

[20:14:12]

sphery:

meshe: because the total usage should never go above 100%

[20:14:14]

coldpenguin:

'bug's that I see, having it set as a single IP makes things less likely to be my problem

[20:15:11]

krisb:

yeah i tend to overcomplicate things, my first thought was just modifying mythtv to bind to INADDR_ANY, and hacking the frontend on the other network to connect to a different IP for the MBE

[20:15:15]

coldpenguin:

My diskless clients, when they work, have a default route of 10.1.0.10. However, for the week after I installed F11, they had no default route at all, and still worked with myth

[20:15:21]

meshe:

sphery: agreed, but then when you have one process running single threaded pinning one core, it'll show 8.5%?

[20:15:22]

krisb:

but your way is better

[20:16:46]

coldpenguin:

Difficulty is I think, is that the frontend confirms its backend from the database I think, and I think the master backend checks that its IP matches the backend address stored in the database (that is from empirical tests, not reading the code though)

[20:17:15]

inordkuo:

hey just wanted to pop in and say thanks to the guys who helped me out earlier. got the trunk version number sorted. turns out deleting the lib files was the key. and got vdpau working again. had to delete my playback profile and recreate it.

[20:17:19]

krisb:

I wouldn't know

[20:17:34]

coldpenguin:

so you would need a multihomed BE to check either all addresses, or check the right address first (which can be a problem, many of the programs I deal with do this, and fail miserably)

[20:18:36]

coldpenguin:

mkrufky, why do you have two networks?

[20:18:40]

krisb:

I'm sure I can figure something out if I ever need to run mythfrontend on a different network

[20:18:46]

sphery:

coldpenguin: that /is/ how the is*Backend() stuff works

[20:19:01]

krisb:

right now I'm more puzzled as to why "emerge hardened-sources" makes rm hang with 100% cpu usage

[20:19:05]

krisb:

never had that happen before

[20:20:00]

coldpenguin:

What FS are you running krisb? There was a nasty bug in ext4 which sounds similar

[20:20:22]

coldpenguin:

I had running rsync and trying to rm, spin the CPU to 100%

[20:20:26]

krisb:

yeah it's a ext4 on a the gentoo install livecd

[20:20:39]

krisb:

is the bug fixed? probably an old kernel

[20:20:45]

sandeen:

krisb, what kernel (or join #ext4 on OFTC) :)

[20:20:57]

coldpenguin:

which kernel is that, I believe it was 'fixed' in 2.6.29.4, I went to 2.6.30 to be sure

[20:21:20]

coldpenguin:

(these are stock numbers, I compiled mine up for F11)

[20:21:46]

krisb:

yeah the x86 autobuild installcd was missing on the gentoo mirror for the latest autobuild

[20:21:51]

krisb:

so I downloaded an older one

[20:22:17]

sandeen:

krisb, if you have an ext4 bug you can reproduce on .30 I'd like to hear about it (in the channel above though)

[20:22:53]

krisb:

sandeen: will keep that in mind, so far ext4 works fine on my laptop on .30

[20:23:20]

coldpenguin:

Which server sandeen? ?oftc?

[20:23:33]

krisb:

the sata_sil24 driver, not so much yet

[20:23:38]

sandeen:

coldpenguin, yep

[20:23:41]

kormoc:

so looks like I get to pick her up tonight between 7:45 and 8pm

[20:23:49]

mkrufky:

coldpenguin: network transition stuff ... but the server exists and i want both networks to use it

[20:24:01]

coldpenguin:

Sorry, which server is oftc?

[20:24:06]

sandeen:

coldpenguin, irc.oftc.net

[20:24:13]

coldpenguin:

ah, thanks

[20:25:19]

coldpenguin:

mkrufky: If I were doing that, then I would 'move' the MBE to be on the new network address, and use a static route on the clients to allow them to see it. If necessary, you could use a single IP route, a la:

[20:25:40]

coldpenguin:

route add -host 192.168.1.10 gw 10.1.0.10 dev eth0

[20:26:13]

mkrufky:

coldpenguin: new network can see it, old network doesnt have access to IPs on the new network

[20:26:19]

coldpenguin:

which would effectively map the new IP to the old IP, if you had sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 set, and your firewall doesn't block it

[20:26:42]

coldpenguin:

even with the above, can they not see it?

[20:27:52]

krisb:

now where am I gonna get a gentoo x86 installcd with 2.6.30 on it without building it myself

[20:27:59]

mkrufky:

i'll try

[20:28:03]

mkrufky:

thats not a bad idea

[20:28:03]

krisb:

guess I can just use a livecd from a different distro

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coldpenguin:

krisb, why do you need a livecd, can you not install to disk? My understanding of this ext4 bug is that it is only a problem under heavy load, deleting and creating at the same time

[20:30:25]

krisb:

well I'm using the livecd to install it on disk

[20:30:27]

coldpenguin:

could you not install to disk, update kernel, then perform the rest of your emerges is what I am thinking

[20:31:31]

mkrufky:

coldpenguin: that didnt work exactly

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krisb:

and when the kernel untar or patching triggers the ext4 bug i can't really finih the install

[20:31:42]

mkrufky:

coldpenguin: but instead, i added the rule to my router , and tTHAT worked

[20:31:43]

mkrufky:

thanks

[20:32:53]

krisb:

I suppose I could just install it on ext3 and convert it afterwards but I'd rather just start with a clean ext4

[20:33:08]

krisb:

I just have to find a livecd with 2.6.30 on it

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jadams:

I have a dual-head setup. I'd like MythTV to start on the second screen, but it starts on the first screen. How should I fix this?

[20:34:55]

krisb:

xinerama or two separate X screens?

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jadams:

xinerama, I guess -geometry 1920x1080+1stmonwidth+0?

[20:35:29]

sphery:

perhaps the F6 install option (joke for Windows users)

[20:35:36]

jadams:

heh

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krisb:

i have two separate screens, and mythfrontend -display :0.1 does the trick here

[20:35:48]

krisb:

dunno about xinerama, that might actually work there too

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sphery:

jadams: you need to specify the screen to use in mythfrontend settings

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coldpenguin:

glad you got it to work somehow

[20:36:22]

sphery:

jadams: and make sure you specify the aspect ratio, too

[20:36:53]

krisb:

oh, there is a screen setting :p

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coldpenguin:

krisb

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jadams:

using the command line options is getting me close

[20:37:06]

coldpenguin:

krisb: if you are patient, you could lvm

[20:37:14]

sphery:

jadams: "Display on screen" and "Monitor Aspect Ratio" in Appearance settings

[20:37:23]

sphery:

jadams: it's only there if you're actually using some Xinerama variant

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krisb:

coldpenguin: probably be faster to just download a livecd

[20:37:52]

krisb:

I'm gambling on that ubuntu 9.04 livecd is running 2.6.30

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coldpenguin:

set up a single / partition, which includes /boot, install a minimal, update kernel, shrink partition, install ext4 to second partition, and move data across?

[20:38:26]

krisb:

yeah or just use a different disk with ext3

[20:38:31]

krisb:

good point

[20:39:05]

coldpenguin:

You could install to a pendrive, then copy to an ext4 partition (did that on one of mine)

[20:40:04]

krisb:

yeah just don't try to run it from the pendrive, write iops is really awful

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coldpenguin:

Ah, well, in that case,... get two USB hubs, 8 pendrives, and LVM stripe across them. I couldn't find a large enough one :) the first time I did it

[20:41:17]

krisb:

I tried that with X and everything without tweaking anything just to test, its horrible

[20:41:32]

krisb:

I'm sure you could do some creative write caching aswell

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jadams:

sphery, I abandoned the geometry string and did what you suggested, and it works fine

[20:42:20]

jadams:

except it's 30 pixels too low

[20:42:27]

jadams:

and saying -30 on y offset doesn't work

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coldpenguin:

My last diskless install, I did direct to iscsi from my MBE. It is surprisingly good. Ran iozone on it, and I get 60MB/s

[20:42:35]

jadams:

think it's making space for the gnome panel or something

[20:42:39]

jadams:

(isn't there)

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coldpenguin:

I was surprised at how easy it was to do too.

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krisb:

iSCSI hardware is expensive though

[20:46:09]

krisb:

or did you just do software?

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coldpenguin:

This is a target from F11. Setup was much easier than ones I did a couple of years ago. I am just using a 16GB file on my ext4 partition. Within that, the F11 setup detected the disk, formatted it with LVM, then ext4 and started installing

[20:48:14]

coldpenguin:

(just in case, F11=fedora)

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krisb:

yeah i figured that :p

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krisb:

fun to simulate expensive hardware just to play with it, isn't it

[20:48:48]

wagnerrp:

coldpenguin: actually getting it to boot off that iSCSI disk is going to be a bit more fun

[20:49:09]

coldpenguin:

I used to deal with some odd named companies, so I thought I should clarify

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krisb:

no worries

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coldpenguin:

Not that bad. The installer created a valid kernel and initrd for me. The difficult bit was that I forgot to copy them off before I rebooted, so I had to loopback mount the 'disk', work out the correct partition offset from fdisk, then set this offset on a second loopback mount so that I could mount /boot via LVM from within the 'disk' and copy off the initrd.

[20:50:53]

krisb:

damn, not gonna get the backend up and running today

[20:51:07]

coldpenguin:

Network booting it works like a dream

[20:51:54]

krisb:

work in ~7 hours

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coldpenguin:

Well, I used to work for an integrator, where technology like iSCSI was starting to become important. I have played with the real hardware stuff over laser link lines etc. and tested it like that. The targets/initiators in F11 are so much easier to set up

[20:52:16]

coldpenguin:

Time for bed then.

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coldpenguin:

One of the manufacturers hardware actually used some of the linux targets as a base for their software running on the PPC within their array, but made it more difficut

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krisb:

yeah I should, if I get my receiver and speakers tomorrow i probably won't be going to bed early then

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coldpenguin:

Good luck with it

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krisb:

lots of stuff to do, get HDMI audio to work, make a script to control the receiver over RS232, place and calibrate speakers, and watch a few movies

[20:54:50]

krisb:

unfortunately I can't really start on any of that till I get it

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krisb:

so thanks

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krisb:

I'm off

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coldpenguin:

I am off too. 'night / 'morning all

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sphery:

jadams: you may need to select "Run the frontend in a window" for the X and Y offsets in mythtv-setup to work (depends on your WM)

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jadams:

sphery, thanks, i'm sure that will work out for me

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Greek-Boy:

Anyone here know anything about PowerVU?

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wagnerrp:

PowerVU hardware is most likely out of your price range

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jams:

when did google start putting that image next to the search box at the top of the results page.

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iamlindoro:

it's normally the google logo

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iamlindoro:

look closely it is even today

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iamlindoro:

they often do the theme images there

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jams:

is annoying

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jams:

maybe it's just this image that does it

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jams:

so really it's been that way for some time?

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restorer:

any recommendations for a QAM tuner?

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sphery:

wonder how much Microsoft paid to have NBC use monitors with the Windows Vista logo on the back of them throughout the control center for the movie Meteor...

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iamlindoro:

HDHomeRun, HVR-1600, HVR-1800, HVR-2250, KWorld 115, HVR-1250, etc.

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restorer:

hm, analog isn't supported for the HVR-1250?

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iamlindoro:

No, but you asked for a QAM tuner

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restorer:

right

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iamlindoro:

Which is by definition non analog

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restorer:

sure

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iamlindoro:

...

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restorer:

my comment was meant as a complaint

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restorer:

I mean...

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restorer:

just a comment on the extras

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restorer:

maybe I should ask for recommendations on tuners that satisfy ALL my preferences? :P

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kormoc:

you could research yourself, ya know

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restorer:

yeah, I have been

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restorer:

but it helps to ask for opinions in a channel more relevant to what I'll be doing than most online reviews

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meshe:

get a couple of $30 PVR-150's for analog and an HDHR for QAM

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restorer:

this IS part of my research ;)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i wonder why microsoft paid to associate Vista with such an abysmal failure of a movie

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wagnerrp:

.... er, wait....

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sphery:

kormoc: well, assuming he's starting from the back of the list iamlindoro gave, he'll get to the right one before too long

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I hadn't considered the similarities between Vista and the movie until now...

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kormoc:

Vista, the OS that doesn't exist

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wagnerrp:

restorer: arguably, you wouldnt want to use the analog capture on a 1250, even if support to do so existed

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sphery:

In my world, OS's don't ever exist (just kernel and applications)

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restorer:

wagnerrp: why's that?

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wagnerrp:

because its a framegrabber

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sphery:

despite what MS tried to tell the justice department :)

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wagnerrp:

framegrabbers are so 20th century

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wagnerrp:

get with the times man!

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meshe:

sphery: does it play my games ? ok we're good : reboot to XP

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restorer:

hey, my current tuner is a $30 analog card from 5 years ago...

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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restorer:

the rest of the computer is almost as outdated

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sphery:

though Vista did include a few extra built-in games (and I don't just mean UAC)

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sphery:

Don't they have a mahjongg in there, now?

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meshe:

"slow the computer" was kinda boring, "trash the hard drive" was a bit more exciting

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meshe:

at least you get a flashy light with the latter

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kormoc:

sphery, but they removed galactic pinball!

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sphery:

galactic pinball? I didn't know that was in there.

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kormoc:

it was in 98-xp iirc

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sphery:

I remember some space cadet pinball in the Win 95 Plus Pack (but you had to pay for that)

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wagnerrp:

the pinball game in XP was based around a spaceship

[22:57:55]

wagnerrp:

yeah, space cadet

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wagnerrp:

came standard in later versions

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sphery:

cool... I didn't know they made it standard.

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sphery:

originally packaged with Microsoft Plus! 95 and later included in Windows NT, Windows Me, Windows 2000 and Windows XP

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

cool that they eventually gave it out

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sphery:

was annoying to have to buy the plus pack

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meshe:

yeah, we used to play it in NT4 MCSE class while we were bored

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sphery:

Heh... I wonder if it's starting to show how often I use Windows.

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: Is PowerVU not vulnerable to anything? Not even card sharing?

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kormoc:

vulnerable?

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Greek-Boy:

yeah

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kormoc:

What do you mean by Vulnerable?

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** kormoc eyes Greek-Boy **

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Greek-Boy:

i realize this is inappropriate discussion

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Greek-Boy:

but its obvious that card sharing is taking place out there

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kormoc:

Then don't continue with it

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wagnerrp:

powervu is intended for professional use

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Greek-Boy:

ok

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kormoc:

cause if you do continue it, you will be banned...

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wagnerrp:

and as such all the hardware is going to be very expensive

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wagnerrp:

so purchasing it and licensing the content yourself would not be economical

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Greek-Boy:

i see...

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sphery:

kormoc: so, read the last sentence of the first paragraph of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Tilt!_Pinba . . . _Space_Cadet

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sphery:

nice of wikipedia to recommend copyright violation

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wagnerrp:

why would that be copyright violation?

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sphery:

Because it was licensed for use in Windows XP

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sphery:

not in Vista

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meshe:

yeah, how is that a copyright violation?

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meshe:

huh

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wagnerrp:

ok, so the license is not independent of the windows revision

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kormoc:

hrm.

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kormoc:

it's a sticky one

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sphery:

unless you have a license agreement specifically for 3D Pinball for Windows that says otherwise, I would suppose that it's licenses as a /part/ of the OS

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sphery:

(which is the price you pay for allowing MS to argue the existence of an OS :)

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meshe:

i doubt that, but I wouldn't put it past MS

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sphery:

Maybe I should write MS and ask... It could do wonders for MS PR if they were to make a big deal about it. :)

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wagnerrp:

copying it over might fall under part of the 'TRANSFER-Internal' clause of the EULA

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meshe:

oh, your Office for Vista will work in Windows 7, but you need to buy a new license for it

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wagnerrp:

the EULA just seems to cover windows as a whole, there is no independent license for pinball

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sphery:

right, that's what I think

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meshe:

but if you have a license for it, why wouldn't you be able to play the game on an unsupported platform?

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wagnerrp:

however if you upgrade, you *could* claim you simply recovered pinball, after it was inexplicably deleted during the upgrade proces

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sphery:

and, especially if you got an OEM version of XP (preinstalled on a computer), it would be a violation

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sphery:

I'm seriously considering e-mailing MS

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meshe:

LOL

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sphery:

if their mail server doesn't filter out my e-mail based on the "X11" on my User-Agent header, it would be interesting to hear their response

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meshe:

i use a nonstandard version of XP on my machine, not from an official disk, but I have a license for it, a friend that works at Microsoft confirmed that it's fine as long as you have a license

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wagnerrp:

well anything you slipstream or set up for network-based install will be a nonstandard version of XP

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russK:

Anyone gentoo-savvy know why I get " * svnversion sed failed" when I try to install mythtv on my gentoo box ?

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wagnerrp:

russK: this is being done through the portage system?

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sphery:

russK: it's trying to create version.cpp but likely the user who's running svnversion doesn't have svnversion in the PATH or something

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russK:

yes wagnerrp, I just did "emerge mythtv"

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sphery:

russK: actually, are you using trunk?

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sphery:

russK: if so, you get to be the one to update the ebuild for trunk to take into account the new location of version.cpp

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sphery:

then submit upstream to Gentoo

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meshe:

wagnerrp: true

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russK:

there is a snippet of code in the ebuild that says it's trying to strip out the .svn directory

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sphery:

russK: trunk or -fixes?

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russK:

because upstream wants the version number in the .cpp

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20851

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wagnerrp:

sphery: is that within the last couple days?

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wagnerrp:

what revision am i running....

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sphery:

07/11/09 00:37:54 (10 days ago)

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kormoc:

the latest Gentoo bump was a few days ago

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wagnerrp:

seems im 848, just before the issue

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russK:

gentoo is trying to build 18314 I think

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sphery:

wow... that's old

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russK:

yeah :-)

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sphery:

sounds like a pre-Qt4 version of trunk?

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russK:

If I go "unstable" there are some newer versions I can try

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sphery:

in which case I'd go back to a problem with your user environment or svn installation

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russK:

would you recommend 20877 maybe ?

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sphery:

Hmmm... Guess r16789 was the Qt4 switchover

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kormoc:

-fixes or -trunk? (0.21 or 0.22)?

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sphery:

russK: I still want to know if it's -fixes or trunk

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kormoc:

emerge -pv mythtv

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sphery:

if it's 0.21-fixes, the older rev isn't a big deal

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russK:

not sure what you mean, fixes or trunk, (sorry) most of them are 0.21

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kormoc:

yes, it's -fixes

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russK:

the latest is 0.222_alpha19054

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russK:

(too many 2's)

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sphery:

russK: do you have svn installed?

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russK:

yes sir

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kormoc:

it'll auto-pull it in

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kormoc:

russK, pastebin the full output from the emerge

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russK:

http://pastebin.com/m48a71456

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russK:

-p fails for some reason

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russK:

I did --ask first, then --pretend

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kormoc:

mythtv-themes needs bumped to the newer EAPI version

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kormoc:

you'll need to submit a gentoo bugreport on that one

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russK:

I see, this is a very fresh gentoo install using an autobuild

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kormoc:

it's nothing wrong with your install, that package is just very stale

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russK:

maybe I'll just build myth myself from subversion

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russK:

I was trying to use the same platform as a backend I already have running

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russK:

I have an existing gentoo backend that has media-tv/mythtv-0.21_p18314-r1 up and running for a while

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kormoc:

you likely installed it with EAPI v1, not v2

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russK:

yeah, that box was created long ago

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russK:

kormoc (or anyone): If I use any 0.21 changeset that builds, will it talk to the older 0.21 box OK ?

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kormoc:

I wouldn't risk it

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russK:

so I should have the same changeset on all frontends and backends

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kormoc:

aye

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russK:

ok, thanks much

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Greek-Boy:

will a P4 3.2ghz perform fine working off four HD-PVR's?

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Greek-Boy:

i'll have to get some kind of AGP graphics card that I can offload to in .22

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kormoc:

AGP cards won't offload

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Greek-Boy:

:-(

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Greek-Boy:

sad

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meshe:

get a $50 mobo with a socket 775 and pcix and get a cheap >= 8400 nvidia card for $25ish

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meshe:

oh, and you may need to spend $25 on new ram

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Greek-Boy:

is the rule of thumb for offloading for the graphics card to be a nvidia?

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meshe:

for .22, yes, since VDPAU will be supported

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Greek-Boy:

right...

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Greek-Boy:

sounds good

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sphery:

or, better, just get a new CPU when you get the new mobo/RAM and get one that can actually play back the content you want to play

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sphery:

(I'm a big fan of software decode.)

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Greek-Boy:

and which CPU is that?

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sphery:

I'll let the HD-PVR users out there tell you that

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sphery:

but I know there are some that can handle it without issue

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Greek-Boy:

i see

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sphery:

and I don't think they're still the top-of-the-line ones

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Greek-Boy:

nice..

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wagnerrp:

meshe: pcie

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Greek-Boy:

well, as iamlindoro pointed out to me. My quad-core 2.33 is probably not going to cut it

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Greek-Boy:

as multi-core is overkill in this scenario

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: but if you bump that up to 3.0, it will probably manage

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wagnerrp:

and, when/if the ffmpeg-mt stuff gets finished and merged in, just about any dual-core processor should be sufficient for HDPVR recordings

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sphery:

and don't even need the quad cores

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sphery:

right... so dual is fine

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sphery:

wagnerrp is way faster than me

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wagnerrp:

oh, im slow... but your the slowest

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Greek-Boy:

lol

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Greek-Boy:

:P

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** Greek-Boy wonders if he should go for a 3.33 i7 processor :P **

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Greek-Boy:

that should rule out things -)

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Greek-Boy:

:-)

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sphery:

including ruling out the idea of spending the extra $850 over the cost of a 3GHz dual core on a vacation or toy

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Greek-Boy:

yeah yeah yeah

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Greek-Boy:

you're absolutely right on that one

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Greek-Boy:

i need that $850 to purchase those HD-PVR's...

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sphery:

yeah, especially when doing 4 of them

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sphery:

"Juicy Juice Brain Development"?

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sphery:

Gotta get away from IRC because the commercials I'm not skipping are making me fear for this world

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wagnerrp:

well my USB-RS232 adapters came in the mail

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wagnerrp:

should mean i now have a functional UPS

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