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Sunday, July 19th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I stand corrected, I was looking in the wrong place on lyngsat, many are indeed transparent

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

will save some work

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iamlindoro:

Now the question is can services.mythtv.org prefer the PNGs over the jpgs in the next sync

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sphery:

gonna update the perl scripts to provide links to the transparent ones?

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iamlindoro:

As you likely know, I know nothing about perl, but I suppose I could take a look eventually

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sphery:

channel_icons.pl is rather simple

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sphery:

could just do the mythtv-setup icon importer, though, if you prefer

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iamlindoro:

thought the mythtv-setup one pulled from services?

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sphery:

both do

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sphery:

http://services.mythtv.org/channel-icon/lookup?callsign=WKCF for example is a lookup

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iamlindoro:

yeah, so doesn't that mean something needs to be modified server side?

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iamlindoro:

in the next lyngsat sync?

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iamlindoro:

ie try to retrieve the png, if not exist, fallback to jpg?

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sphery:

I was thinking xris put the code that creates the master list in svn

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sphery:

but haven't found it, yet

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sphery:

he may just keep it server side

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sphery:

guess it's server side... This is what I was thinking of: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3908#comment:2

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sphery:

it will pull it, but just gets it from http://services.mythtv.org/channel-icon/master-iconmap

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sphery:

So, it seems we'll have to bug xris to put support for (or at least URI's for) lyngsat's transparent PNG channel icons in services

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

opens up a lot of fun theming possibilites

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iamlindoro:

possibilities

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iamlindoro:

especially once the OSD gets converted

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iamlindoro:

need to think about having mythfilldatabase do something when a channel's callsign changes

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iamlindoro:

as I have "toon disney" icons on "Disney XD" which has a new logo, etc.

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iamlindoro:

SciFi for SyFy

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sphery:

but mfdb won't update callsigns, so it should be user initiated

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sphery:

now having a nice, get new icon button could be good

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iamlindoro:

it will update them if you --do-channel-updates

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

then would make sense

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** iamlindoro sometimes worries that he is a little metadata-perfection addicted **

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iamlindoro:

There... now my data, she's-a pretty

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banyan:

you never metadata you didn't like?

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banyan:

mwah, hah, um, hah....

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banyan:

anyway, I was wondering if anyone had myth running on fedora 11 with the repo-packaged software rather than svn or trunk.

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banyan:

I've been putting off upgrading to f11 until that gets all fixed up and basically problem free.

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, here are that guys changes-- works pretty nicely: http://www.pastebin.ca/1499644

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iamlindoro:

(bearing in mind that I know nothing of webbage)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythweb-icons.png

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kormoc:

seems like it has the 'make every channel the same height' fix as well?

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I bugged him about that part

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iamlindoro:

there's also one fix of my own in there

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iamlindoro:

also http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythweb-icons2.png

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kormoc:

works for me

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kormoc:

I wonder if we can convert the backgrounds of those icons automatically

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Is that 70 pixels? Afterall, I've heard that using pixels to specify sizes is just stupid – it assumes that everyone uses exactly the same font & font size on exactly the same monitor as the author. This is 2009, people have wide-screen monitors with more than 1024x768 res

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6693

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kormoc:

grab the image color from 0,0 0xheight, widthx0, and widthxheight, the one that is the most matched, replace it all with transparent?

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sphery:

(in case it wasn't fresh enough in your memory :)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Hard for when you have logos that contain white, though

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iamlindoro:

sphery, It was fresh ;)

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kormoc:

true

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kormoc:

Ha! I missed that

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iamlindoro:

it didn't last long :0

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iamlindoro:

:)

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sphery:

kormoc: the worst part of that ticket is that it blames MythWeb for the backend's web page :)

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sphery:

granted, MW does have its own CSS for it, but still...

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kormoc:

So who want's to setup raves in Devon, UK in random fields on facebook? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/devon/8155441.stm

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sphery:

I was planning to do a crop circle near there, instead, but might be able to set up a rave while I'm at it.

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kormoc:

that's the best part, you don't actually have to *have* the rave, just plan them!

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sphery:

Yeah--or a birthday party.

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** iamlindoro wonders if he's out of it or if you really can't display the channel icon in the PBB **

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kormoc:

pbb?

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iamlindoro:

PlayBackBox

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sphery:

btw, kormoc , if you want to follow up your Surface with a really cheesy show, check out ABC's Impact mini-series. It's like Armageddon without Michael Bay.

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iamlindoro:

Watch Recordings

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

will do Mr. sphery

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sphery:

might be better than Virtuality, though

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sphery:

still undecided, but leaning that way

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kormoc:

good to know

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kormoc:

I want more virtuality but I really don't at the same time

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iamlindoro:

I want more

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iamlindoro:

I thought it had promise

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sphery:

the producers wanted more, but most think it will never happen

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iamlindoro:

probably won't

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kormoc:

It was a good thought, but too much was.... hrm... Deus Ex

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sphery:

I think I'll have to watch NBC's version of Impact--called Meteor--tomorrow night after the second half airs.

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iamlindoro:

Deus Ex was good :)

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sphery:

I thought the attack on Billie was a bit too much.

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sphery:

I don't care what kind of bad software programmers they have, but how do you let /that/ bug get in the code?

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iamlindoro:

Fairly certain the point was they're not actually on that ship

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iamlindoro:

and that it's just another layer of abstraction

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iamlindoro:

ie VR within VR

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sphery:

yeah, I got the sense they weren't going anywhere

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sphery:

and that the whole Earth in climactic ruins was a lie

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sphery:

Kind of a Thirteenth Floor thing going on, too

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

I liked the Thirteenth Floor a lot, but this was... just... mixed

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sphery:

Yeah. I loved Thirteenth Floor.

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sphery:

but thought the whole reality isn't real thing was similar here

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iamlindoro:

I'm disappointed that I'm watching my last few episodes of Kings

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kormoc:

left few episodes?

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kormoc:

they canceled it?

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sphery:

/your/ last few? Don't you mean /the/ few?

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iamlindoro:

they didn't order a second season, so good enough

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iamlindoro:

sphery, last few of the few

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kormoc:

I liked Kings, but it was really disjointed

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sphery:

how many eps total?

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iamlindoro:

13

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sphery:

looks like 12

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sphery:

oh, 13 if you count 12p1 and 12p2 as 2

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** kormoc wants more Dollhouse... **

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sphery:

w/ Summer Glau

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iamlindoro:

At least there *is* more Dollhouse

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sphery:

And, perhaps, Jewel Staite!

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kormoc:

I'm hoping for more Miracle Laurie too :)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.tv.com/story/16592.html?&tag=buzz;7

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iamlindoro:

What the WHAT?

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sphery:

What? Fry isn't Fry without an M&M voice!

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sphery:

I always picture Fry as a red M&M

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kormoc:

Aww...

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sphery:

I may have to watch Dollhouse, next. Just finished up Life and Eli Stone, so looking for the next series season to watch.

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kormoc:

It's quite worth bumping to the head of the list

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kormoc:

and Better off Ted is awesome

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sphery:

Yeah, Ted is one of the only shows I've actually watched as it airs.

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sphery:

I love that one.

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kormoc:

Yeah, I wasn't expecting it to be that awesome

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sphery:

Yeah. It's description left me curious enough to watch the Pilot (instead of the usual wait and see if it cancels), but I really didn't expect it to be that good.

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iamlindoro:

Uh oh, another one on the users list who wants to "do the Udo"

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iamlindoro:

"I have got got 12 dvb devices and would like to record every movie everyday on every channel forever (unless previously recorded)."

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kormoc:

So what is he asking?

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tank-man:

permission :)

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iamlindoro:

how to do so

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iamlindoro:

record *.*

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tank-man:

be a nice guy and tell him to try with 1 device first

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kormoc:

that's awesome

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kormoc:

so he doesn't run myth at all yet?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, reminds me of linuxguy04

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iamlindoro:

"I haven't installed Myth yet, but I have some ideas on how to speed up channel changes..."

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clever:

lol

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sphery:

iamlindoro: as I mentioned in the LiveTV fight I started ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387264#387264 ) on the list while you were gone, "Oh, and, you'll be able to say, 'I've seen no evidence that this type of scheduling causes mythbackend to eat memory,' when people on the list try to tell you otherwise." (from http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302 )

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sphery:

So, my XBox 360 is burnt toast

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sphery:

stupid thing won't even give me the red ring of death... just locks up video during the XBOX 360 logo on boot

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sphery:

ah, there it is... RROD #2

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kormoc:

quick! To the freezer!

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kormoc:

and slam it down on the floor a few times

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sphery:

Eh, this one is almost a year old, so it's time I turn it in to MS for a replacement. :)

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awalls:

Nothing like a little thermal cycling to simulate aging

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sphery:

Of course, this happens the day after I order a new XBox 360 game online.

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sphery:

So, I'll get the new game next week and won't be able to play it for a month.

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kormoc:

buy a new one and have a 30th day return?

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sphery:

wonder if I should renew my Live membership before calling them so they'll give me the 1-month free

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

Hmmm... Some guy on ebay will sell me a RRoD fix!

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kormoc:

you know, the macbook pro's led lit lcd is really awesome

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kormoc:

instant full brightness

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kormoc:

and even black/white

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** kormoc wonders when stand alone led lcd's will be on the market **

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sphery:

I should have known better than to stress my 360. Peggle was just a bit too heavy on the unicorns for it.

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kormoc:

hehe

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kormoc:

I'm too much of a steam whore to have it on any other platform...

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sphery:

yeah, but neither Valve nor MS will replace your PC when you burn it out. :)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

But Apple will! (for upto 3 years)

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

Guess that's why you pay for 3 of them up front. :)

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** kormoc laughs **

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iamlindoro:

sphery, always starting fights

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sphery:

Hey, can you blame me? I didn't get my game-playing/relaxation in.

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sphery:

and now I get to call India

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iamlindoro:

Well, they'll be awake

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sphery:

true

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iamlindoro:

OK, so after a full day of work I can now be satisfied with my icons

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sphery:

don't you mean, "I con now be satisfied..."

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kormoc:

CONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

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iamlindoro:

No. No I do not.

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iamlindoro:

As always, like pulling a string at the end of a sock, I'm discovering that I'd really like to be able to theme the OSD to use them :)

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iamlindoro:

Into the rabbit hole!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: You should really work on converting the OSD to mythui. Conversions like that aren't a lot of work--just ask gb ee.

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iamlindoro:

given the amount of time things spend in trac, if I finish it this week it can get committed just shy of .23 ;)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

That's why you should spend your time playing XBox 360 games, instead. It's amazing how fun they are. I loved RRoD, but it turns out the second installment is even better.

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sphery:

It's all online, now. No phone calls required.

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iamlindoro:

Don't give my 360 any ideas, it's a launch unit

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sphery:

Wow... How did I get 2 RRoD's before you got 1?

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iamlindoro:

this is why you can't have nice things

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

Nice... "Standard Warranty Expired" but a disclaimer at the bottom, "A three-year warranty applies to Xbox 360 conditions indicated by three red lights."

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sphery:

Doesn't say mine is out of the 3-yr period. Might actually get a replacement for free. :)

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sphery:

and I don't have to get out the red sharpie to make it happen

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sphery:

Hmmm... Last time they shipped me a box. This time, I have to provide my own. (Thought if I selected Label Ship vs Label Print they'd send a box, but they're only sending the label.)

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kormoc:

trimming the fat these days

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sphery:

guess so

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ive heard you can fix it by baking it

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wagnerrp:

you heat it up to just around the solder melt point, and let it bake for a while

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wagnerrp:

re-seats all the solder joints

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kormoc:

also allows you to mold the hard plastic into a much more intersting form

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clever:

ive seen one website explaining how to fix the xbox by wrapping it in a blanket and leaving it on for a few hours

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clever:

to bake the solder joints back together

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clever:

sounds like a fire hazard...

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tank-man:

towel trick, lol

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tank-man:

don't leave home without your towel

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darkdrgn2k3:

Hey is thre currently a recordign bug in Trunk

[04:43:59]

darkdrgn2k3:

i get a few "ivtv0: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 2" in dmesg

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kormoc:

I'd wager there's a few

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darkdrgn2k3:

then it frashes :-S

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darkdrgn2k3:

mythbackend[6486]: segfault at 1e8 ip 00007fb5dc0d6d2e sp 00007fb586bfc590 error 4 in libmythtv-0.22.so.0.22.0[7fb5db853000+aa9000]

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darkdrgn2k3:

[

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kormoc:

maybe even a few dozen

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darkdrgn2k3:

haha well this started within the last few days

[04:44:35]

kormoc:

it's the whole, 'Trunk is not stable' thing which I know you've heard before

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darkdrgn2k3:

haha yeh, just trying to figure out if this is a new bug that needs to be reported or

[04:45:00]

darkdrgn2k3:

what :-p

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darkdrgn2k3:

gonna try updating svn LOL

[04:45:18]

kormoc:

so follow the backtrace/bug reporting instructions?

[04:45:30]

darkdrgn2k3:

yeh i guess..

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darkdrgn2k3:

alrighty..

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darkdrgn2k3:

what about audio sync problem.. i think its a cpuseed issue..

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kormoc:

disable/remove pulseaudio

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darkdrgn2k3:

yep.. already done that :-p

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darkdrgn2k3:

pure alsa here

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darkdrgn2k3:

hey, does mythvideo support BlueRay ISO files

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wagnerrp:

no

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plextortv402u:

janneg: any other thoughts?

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clever:

http://gallery.earthtools.ca/4chanbits/posters/6akm2kh1.jpg

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daniel2:

Anyone here know how to enable spdif output?

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** cesman doesn't have a digital receiver **

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daniel2:

I have a really old Boston speakers

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daniel2:

Supports digital audio though, works when I play my Xbox through my monitor using its SPDIF jack, but not on my PC.

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[11:17:15]

AndyCap:

gah, my whole digital television endeavour is cursed.

[11:23:12]

gpd:

if I ssh into my myth box (ubuntu jaunty) why does the sound _sometimes_ work from the command line (e.g. mocp / mpc)... linux audio remains a mystery :(

[11:23:43]

juski:

hahaha the guy who set out with a $500 bounty to get mythfrontend running natively on the Wii has given up & started it himself

[11:24:31]

gpd:

should I ssh into the box as mythtv as the frontend is running... then the sound should be less of an issue?

[11:25:04]

juski:

audio on linux is a combination of good luck & pure witchcraft

[11:26:36]

laga:

no, it's a matter of uninstalling pulseaudio and stabbing any application that's opening /dev/dsp ;)

[11:27:49]

juski:

or that

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gpd:

life is too short to understand pulseaudio.

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juski:

should be more like pioneer explorers when it comes to things like that. i.e. Kill something you don't understand on sight :D

[11:31:44]

AndyCap:

so, is it manu or liplianin's mantis dvb driver that is closest to mainstream?

[11:32:07]

juski:

there's only one way to find out: FIGHT!

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AndyCap:

damn balkanisation

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juski:

I thought hatchets had been buried in that area already, or am I just living on cloud cuckoo for believing anything in OSS had been sorted out amicably?

[11:35:24]

AndyCap:

I dunno, hard to find newer info. http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /031503.html You could be right though. seems Manu's tree has been dead since february

[11:37:48]

gpd:

does anyone have a good solution to using a mythtv box as a music player / server etc?

[11:37:58]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[11:37:59]

gpd:

right now i am using ssh into the box from my laptop then using mocp...

[11:38:13]

gpd:

or using theramin from osx – but it is all a bit yuky

[11:38:32]

AndyCap:

theramin is mpd isn't it?

[11:38:34]

gpd:

boxee also looks promising but then you have to use ctr-alt-fx to switch

[11:38:35]

juski:

Yeah I have a solution, thanks :)

[11:38:41]

gbee:

the S2 support issue was hardly amicable, took stoth acting decisively and producing S2API practically overnight to kill off the controversial multiproto effect

[11:38:43]

gpd:

theramin is mpd – yes

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laga:

gbee: i'm glad it's resolved now

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gpd:

juski: your pedantic gramatical approach is highly amusing :|

[11:39:05]

juski:

gbee: hence the burying of hatchets :)

[11:39:13]

laga:

gbee: i will probably get a s2 card soon

[11:39:19]

Dagmar:

We find Googling more amusing.

[11:39:41]

AndyCap:

laga: so who or what won? or is mantis a casualty of war?

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** juski wonders what is so hard about pointing mythmusic on a frontend to a network share **

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laga:

AndyCap: the s2 api. the stuff that is in the kernel now

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juski:

a mounted network share, that is

[11:40:25]

AndyCap:

laga: ok. so no mantis driver then I guess.

[11:40:30]

gbee:

juski: well the hatchets were buried, in Manu ;) Not that it was ever personal, IMHO for all the effort he put into multiproto it was doomed from the start

[11:40:58]

gpd:

i want to play the music from the myth box as it is connected to stereo / speakers – but i wanty to control from a laptop / n800 / other

[11:41:02]

juski:

I heard it got pretty personal. Made me sad for OSS

[11:41:31]

juski:

gpd: so then, you won't be using mythmusic unless you make something which uses the telnet client

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AndyCap:

ok, so that leaves me with one card with no cam support, one card where the driver got killed by the chipset vendor and one card where the driver mysteriously vanished.

[11:42:24]

gbee:

it was made out to be personal because that's how Manu saw it, but IMHO it never was just about him – his obsessive control over multiproto aside, there were always concerns over writing a completely new API

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** AndyCap is considering going rogue **

[11:43:47]

juski:

ruh roh. screech of tyres & a loud thud heard outside

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gbee:

I'd feel pretty bad if someone came along and wrote a whole new api for myth just because mythui was taking too long, of course I'd take it personally, but that wouldn't mean it was the case

[11:44:12]

gbee:

juski: boss run over?

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AndyCap:

so, are there any windows apps that can stream DVB transport streams to mythtv? :>

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juski:

gbee: no, but everytime I hear about a light aircraft crash...

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juski:

AndyCap: VLC?

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gbee:

AndyCap: vlc to name one

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gbee:

juski: heh

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AndyCap:

I guess channel changing would be a very ugly hack :>

[11:46:34]

gbee:

iptv

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Dagmar:

yep

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AndyCap:

gbee: well, only if I have one tuner for every mux right

[11:47:16]

juski:

why would you want anything else?

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gbee:

ask GreyFoxx, he's done the most work on introducing streams to myth as IPTV

[11:47:30]

juski:

it's the best way to do it, rather than having a tuner per channel ;-)

[11:47:40]

Dagmar:

That's probably the most useful thing I think I've seen come out too

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gbee:

could be a lot of cards for satellite/cable ;)

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juski:

then again, worthwhile channel content.. ;-)

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AndyCap:

hmm. I feel dirty just thinking about it. but it does look like the easiest solution at the moment.

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AndyCap:

:/

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gbee:

finally ordered my quad lnb the other day, can get the DVB-S card in dev backend up and running

[11:48:58]

AndyCap:

separate H/V Hi/Lo?

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AndyCap:

or was that the other one

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Dagmar:

I dont' think little dish stuff works that way

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AndyCap:

quattro.

[11:49:36]

AndyCap:

Dagmar: size isn't everything.

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Dagmar:

That depends on whether or not you're trying to get the snow off an eight foot fiberglas dish so you can put it back on it's mouht

[11:50:14]

Dagmar:

s/mouht/mount/;

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AndyCap:

move furter to the north.

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AndyCap:

:>

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Dagmar:

So I can what? Just embed it in a snowbank?

[11:51:06]

Dagmar:

Maybe mount it on a trained moose

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AndyCap:

on the bright side, the liplianin tree compiled

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gpd:

fyi: installed paprefs, added my user to pulse-rt, allowed network access = now have reliable ssh + mocp audio

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gbee:

AndyCap: not quattro, I'd need all sorts of kit I don't have to make a quattro work and I really don't record all that much stuff off FTA satellite, so two DVB-S cards and a quad lnb (room for expansion) is enough

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AndyCap:

Haha, fail, BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000068

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Dagmar:

fix'd

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gbee:

did everyone read about the GCC issue with it stripping null pointer checks and therefore creating a few kernel bugs?

[11:57:05]

laga:

yep

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AndyCap:

complete with Brad Spengler

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juski:

well, time to crack on sorting out the computer room.

[11:58:46]

juski:

s/sorting\ out/throwing\ junk\ away\ and \rearranging

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janneg:

gbee: not all null pointer checks and only making a single kernel bug exploitable

[12:02:29]

janneg:

it stripped a null pointer check after dereferencing the pointer

[12:04:46]

gbee:

janneg: aye, I read the details and that's one _known_ exploit, I'd not be surprised if more were found

[12:05:40]

gbee:

although the circumstances were it's safe to dereference a pointer before checking whether it's NULL are probably going to be few

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sid3windr:

yeh, in kernel mode it doesnt trap :)

[12:06:15]

sid3windr:

s/mode/code/

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sid3windr:

so the bug was really in the source code and not with gcc

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gbee:

not trying to suggest it's the armageddon type scenario that others area, just mentioning it in passing

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AndyCap:

whee, I am not alone. I alone with one other person. :) http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /031953.html

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gbee:

sid3windr: oh it's definitely not a GCC bug, but probably behaviour that some people weren't aware of

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sid3windr:

:)

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gbee:

bugger, didn't realise 2001 was on today

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krisb:

damn the Graphite theme is awesome :-) can't wait to see it finished

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krisb:

i probably spent like 2 hours playing with the mythvideo browser after i added covers and fanart :p

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janneg:

well the kernel normally oopses if anyone tries to dereference a NULL pointer

[12:40:22]

janneg:

it didn't in the exploit since there was memory mapped to 0x0

[12:40:43]

janneg:

which was only possible due to other bugs

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krisb:

is there an easy way to mythtv svn autoload the entire image cache on startup? (specificley cover/fanart images)

[12:43:22]

krisb:

memory usage is not a problem, for now anyway

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krisb:

to make mythv*

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krisb:

or do i have to code that myself?

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AndyCap:

Aha, seems more video releated drivers have experienced null pointer derefs in __ticket_spin_lock lately https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504402

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laga:

argh, moar ticket

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janneg:

laga: less ticket

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laga:

\o/

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janneg:

or 1355 tickets?

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SHADOW_V:

how about the new tickets for bagel program

[13:37:56]

SHADOW_V:

now moar tickets?

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laga:

SHADOW_V: i get a bagel if i open a ticket?

[13:39:06]

SHADOW_V:

if you open your own tickets but close anothers you get a half a dosen bagels

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SHADOW_V:

dozen*

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laga:

i did that a few times.

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wombo:

krisb, search the wiki for JAMU. I am not sure but it might be what you are after

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SHADOW_V:

the truck with bagels is on the way

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laga:

SHADOW_V: thanks.

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SHADOW_V:

yup

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krisb:

wombo: ah, seems like a much better solution than my hacked version of imdb-bulk-updater to get fanart, thanks

[13:44:20]

krisb:

that wasn't really the question however :p

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krisb:

i have added the covers and fanart to the database and all that works fine now, and mythtv caches them nicely, but i have to scroll over all the covers in the browser to get them into memory

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krisb:

not really a big deal but it's slightly slower than if they were in memory to begin with, so i was hoping to just load them on startup

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juski:

moar caching ftw

[13:51:52]

krisb:

well that theme is really memory hungry so it's not for everyone, but atleast there should be an option

[13:52:28]

krisb:

i haven't looked into the source yet, but i imagine it won't be very hard to add since the cache framework is already in place, it should just be a matter of some code to load all objects from disk on startup

[13:53:36]

wombo:

but depending on the database size that could potentially be a massive amount of caching

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juski:

krisb: you don't have to use the fanart stuff if you don't wanna

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wombo:

you might want to consider only caching the 10 images or so either side of the currently selected image

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boludiko:

hi

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boludiko:

i need help with my mythtv, the live tv dont see good

[13:54:47]

krisb:

wombo: yeah, but for now i don't have to worry about memory, we'll see how it goes

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krisb:

juski: but it's awesome :)

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boludiko:

some channels are see with out problems

[13:54:56]

juski:

krisb: I have an idea to use animated backgrounds

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boludiko:

but others see 2 seconds and pause, 2 seconds and pause

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boludiko:

everytime

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juski:

awesome is such an overused word. Very good, yes it is. Awesome, I reserve that for things like the miracle of life, etc ;)

[13:55:33]

boludiko:

i have XVideo installed

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krisb:

the graphite cover browser is really awesome on a 1080p HD projector and 90" screen

[13:55:40]

krisb:

fine, really good then

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gbee:

krisb: the disk cache will be primed after the first usage, which speeds is up a little even if the mem-cache is emptied each time you exit

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boludiko:

any one can help meÂ¿

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gbee:

is==it

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juski:

boludiko: let's see some log output from mythfrontend -v playback in a pastebin

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krisb:

gbee: yeah, but i can still tell the difference from scrolling when they are in memory and when they are loaded from the disk cache :)

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boludiko:

how can i do this?

[13:56:44]

juski:

boludiko: you may well have Xv installed or supported in your video driver, but is it working? That is the question

[13:56:53]

juski:

boludiko: run it from a terminal

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gbee:

the bulk of the slowdown when loading the images isn't related to loading from disk, but the scaling work that has to be done, once in the disk cache things get a lot faster

[13:56:56]

boludiko:

yes it's working

[13:57:03]

gbee:

krisb: fair enough

[13:57:04]

boludiko:

mplayer use this

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boludiko:

mplayer -xv and i see the video

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juski:

mythfrontend -v playback

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krisb:

image cache is currently 3–400 MB, and at the moment i can happily us 2GB extra ram for ultra smoothness

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juski:

or no dice

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krisb:

i'm pick like that

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krisb:

picky*

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gbee:

sure

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boludiko:

waitme a second and i give you this

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juski:

and people moaned that blootube-wide ate ram like no tomorrow. meh!

[13:58:01]

gbee:

the threaded image loading will probably help too, if I ever get around to writing it

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krisb:

anyway like i said, it's not a big deal at all, but it seems like an easy fix i could implement myself

[13:58:47]

krisb:

and its obviously not for people that care about their memory usage

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juski:

we like fixes people can do themselves :)

[13:59:13]

juski:

krisb: oh, so not for AppleTV then? lol

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krisb:

:p

[13:59:37]

krisb:

i didn't even know there was an appletv

[13:59:41]

juski:

iamlindoro's attitude is.. RAM has never been cheaper, and I'd agree with him

[13:59:47]

krisb:

is it a tv with built in htpc?

[13:59:49]

juski:

whut? you been living under a rock?

[13:59:54]

krisb:

probably

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laga:

i wouldn't mind a rock if it was comfy

[14:00:13]

juski:

it's an overpriced toy box that costs too much for what it is. Oh wait. Like that differentiates it

[14:00:19]

krisb:

upgraded from 28" crt tv to 90" 1080p projector on thursday

[14:00:24]

krisb:

so meh :p

[14:00:47]

juski:

AppleTV is a networked media player thingy from Apple. It's small & cute – that's about all I can find to say about it

[14:01:18]

krisb:

i can't think of anything that will come close to a properly customized and tweaked mythtv

[14:01:27]

juski:

it'll happily play SDTV apparently. And erm.. some of Apple's own 'HD' stuff – i.e. low bitrate 720p h.264-ish

[14:01:36]

krisb:

meh

[14:02:06]

krisb:

i'm running everything on my laptop atm, 1080p 24hz hdmi output, with nvidia vdpau

[14:02:19]

juski:

mmm trunky

[14:02:24]

krisb:

plays 1080p 10–20mbit content with 4–6% usage on each cpu core

[14:02:46]

juski:

pfft. someone is peddling the wiimote as 'the ultimate linux remote control'

[14:03:34]

krisb:

speaking of remote control, i need one with more features, the remote that came with my laptop and fits into the expresscard slot is quite sparse

[14:03:57]

krisb:

but the range is awesome on this paired with a mceusb2 ir receiver

[14:04:00]

juski:

some people swear by Logitech Harmony remotes as a good all-round universal remote

[14:04:20]

juski:

just for myth though, you'd be as well off with an MCE remote

[14:04:30]

wombo:

Yeah I got a harmony. I wouldnt switch it for anything else

[14:04:37]

juski:

I hate mine

[14:04:42]

krisb:

i can go to the opposite corner of the room from the ir center and point the remote under the couch, and it'll still pick up the IR

[14:04:53]

krisb:

center? how did receiver become center

[14:04:54]

krisb:

hmm

[14:05:04]

wombo:

I press one button, it turns on the TV, Stereo and takes me to the Mythtv main screen

[14:05:12]

wombo:

oh and sets the stereo to the right input

[14:05:15]

juski:

yeah mine is SUPPOSED to do that

[14:05:39]

juski:

but my TV lacks discrete IR codes so it generally misses the AV input

[14:05:42]

krisb:

so will any remote i use when i configure it in mythtv, and make a couple of scripts to control my benq projector and nad receiver over rs232

[14:05:53]

krisb:

no need for fancy universal remote

[14:06:02]

krisb:

though i wouldn't mind a remote with sleek design

[14:06:05]

juski:

great if you want to rely on a PC

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juski:

:)

[14:06:09]

krisb:

atm i don't really care

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boludiko:

juski i don't know how use pastebin

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krisb:

thats my only video/audio source at the moment anyway

[14:06:33]

juski:

I keep toying with my idea to use the backend for IR control duties, it's never off :)

[14:06:53]

krisb:

if things change i can always get a new remote

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juski:

boludiko: copy the log output & paste it into the pasting area. Duh

[14:07:07]

gbee:

fwiw I don't take the suggestion that there is a noticeable delay as a criticism, I know it could be better and I just wish there was a magic bullet which didn't require chewing up a tonne of memory, at least with the threaded loading we have the option of pre-loading the next/previous ten images, but that only works for scrolling not moving a page at a time

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boludiko:

juski oks

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juski:

boludiko: or save the log to a file, and upload the file via the UPLOAD button on the pastebin page. Yeesh

[14:07:43]

krisb:

gbee: yeah, everything is about compromise, for me memory is good, atleast for now

[14:08:00]

gbee:

I wish I was paid to work on Myth, then I could give it my full attention

[14:08:03]

juski:

for the sake of 4GB RAM vs what it costs...

[14:08:21]

juski:

it's cheaper than putting a bounty up ;-)

[14:08:30]

gbee:

I'm already considering going to 8

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krisb:

my laptop has 4GB, and i rarely need to use more than 2GB, if i want to play with virtual machines i can always disable mythfrontend for a while

[14:08:48]

gbee:

4GB is just enough right now

[14:09:07]

boludiko:

juski www.pastebin.org/3010

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krisb:

not ideal, but if things get too bad i can get a dedicated frontend

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laga:

gbee: i went from 2 to4 only to find out i only get 3.1x :( stupid chipset

[14:09:34]

krisb:

but after spending way too much money on projector and audio my laptop will do fine right now

[14:10:04]

gbee:

I'm working with lots of applications open at the same time along with a backend/frontend on the same box (for development purposes) and that can stretch things occassionally

[14:10:12]

gbee:

laga: :(

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juski:

boludiko: have you tried different video playback profiles? The default one is probably too hungry for your system

[14:10:38]

krisb:

gbee: if you're interested i can always submit a patch (default off ofcourse) if i decide to add loading on startup

[14:10:46]

boludiko:

juski i use slim

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gbee:

then there is plasma which leaks like a sieve

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juski:

slim doesn't necessarily do what it says on the tin, in my experience

[14:11:26]

boludiko:

juski what you recommend

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gbee:

krisb: we can take a look, sure

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krisb:

is there any known memory leaks in svn though? i find 1.3 gb usage abit high with not that much content loaded

[14:11:40]

juski:

boludiko: try cpu--

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krisb:

ah well, the price to pay :)

[14:12:18]

juski:

boludiko: of course it depends what kind of CPU you have in the first place. Like I'd not be surprised if you were trying this on some piece of crap EPIA or 500Mhz box

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wombo:

juski, amd 64 x 2

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juski:

I had similar issues on my EPIA junk system, so it went in the ebay bin

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juski:

hrm

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juski:

shouldn't be seeing that on 720x576i streams

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boludiko:

juski i have amd 64 x 2

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krisb:

jesus swraid 5 building takes a long time

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juski:

unless you have Xv but it's crap ;-)

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krisb:

and i need to grow it from 4x 1TB disks to 5x 1TB disks afterwards

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krisb:

the joy

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gbee:

krisb: not known, but there could be unknown :) 1.3Gb is a lot, but how big have you set the image cache limit? The cache retains images even after you leave screens to keep the next load as fast as possible

[14:14:16]

juski:

boludiko: going out on a limb here.. < Geforce4 graphics?

[14:14:39]

juski:

FWIW, with ATI & Nvidia you need to use the closed source drivers for best results

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krisb:

gbee: yeah i set that pretty high :p haven't really paid attention to any tweaking yet, first goal was to get everything running as smooth/fast as possible to see where my hardware stacks up, then compromise afterwards

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juski:

*still*

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gbee:

my frontend which has been up for a while is hardly using 111Mb (667 virt, but that doesn't really count)

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boludiko:

juski geforce 8400 gs

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juski:

boludiko: using the open source drivers?

[14:15:55]

juski:

boludiko: or the restricted, non-OSS Nvidia ones?

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boludiko:

juski restricted

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juski:

dunno then

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boludiko:

juski look www.pastebin.org/3013 this is with cpu--

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krisb:

anyway, keep up the good work, my first return to mythtv for a few years time has been very positive

[14:18:27]

juski:

boludiko: is this over a wireless network or something?

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boludiko:

no

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juski:

wet string? ;-)

[14:18:45]

boludiko:

juski, no is livetv

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krisb:

though i can't seem to get gnome to fuck off from my second screen (not twinview), gnome-session -display :0.0 or setting DISPLAY=:0.0 doesn't seem to do anything

[14:19:34]

juski:

boludiko: I have no idea in that case. Sorry

[14:19:41]

boludiko:

juski is dvb-t usb stick, a freecom, but some channels see with out problems

[14:19:54]

juski:

bad signal?

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boludiko:

juski no

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juski:

what does femon report when you're tuned to a channel it has problems with?

[14:20:18]

juski:

no, says you :)

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boludiko:

juski with kaffeine everything see god

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juski:

well, I tried. No further ideas I'm afraid

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juski:

I don't use livetv. Haven't had any use for it since I tested my tuners

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boludiko:

juski thanks

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gbee:

any known issues with recent kernels and ext3 corruption? Think my dimms are still coming unseated but the only symptom I'm seeing right now is filesystem corruption which occurs a couple of days after the machine has been power cycled (each time I've reseated the DIMMs just to be sure)

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laga:

gbee: AFAIK the default jorunaling strategy has been changed

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gbee:

in fact this last time it lasted 4 days before I started seeing the problem again

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gbee:

smart shows no errors and a fsck clears the problem until the next instance

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gbee:

I'd prefer it to be the kernel than have the expensive cat and mouse game of replacing the motherboard, DIMMs and HDD in turn to find out which is faulty

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laga:

just remove one of the DIMMs till it stops borking?

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gbee:

yeah could do that I suppose, but because it can take upto 4/5 days for problems to start showing I'd be a GB short for a couple of weeks

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gbee:

at least

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laga:

well, might have to close some firefox tabs then ;)

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gbee:

nooooo!

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krisb:

hmm, seems it was probably my system load causing the slightly slow loading of images earlier

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krisb:

not enough of a problem anymore to waste time and memory on it

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Greek-Boy:

hi

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wombo:

hi :)

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Greek-Boy:

i have multiple STB's that I want to use with my MythTV that will be a front-end and back-end and distribute to other front-ends. one of the STB's has a HD out. The other three have RF out and RF loop/IN.

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Greek-Boy:

none of them have firewire

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Greek-Boy:

i am trying to figure out which hardware to use for my mythv and what to use for changing channels

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Greek-Boy:

i already have the PC which is dell studio quad-core. nice machine. takes 3 PCI i think

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juski:

what you need to use for changing channels will depend very much on what you need to change channels on ;)

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mkrufky:

did you want to capture HD from those STB's, Greek-Boy ?

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SHADOW_V:

hey mkrufky

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mkrufky:

hi SHADOW_V

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Greek-Boy:

mkrufky: Yes I want HD but I am not sure if they are all HD capable.

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Greek-Boy:

mkrufky: only the one is HD and only provies a few HD channels...

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mkrufky:

Greek-Boy: so, to capture from the HD analog outputs you can use a Hauppauge HD-PVR

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SHADOW_V:

and trunk

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mkrufky:

to capture from SD analog inputs u can use any "encoder" type card ...

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SHADOW_V:

dun dun dun

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Greek-Boy:

i see

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juski:

that's about your only recourse ;) Since you can't capture directly from HDMI ;-)

[15:28:20]

mkrufky:

oh, thats true, but that will be released as a full version eventually

[15:28:32]

Greek-Boy:

so it is currently not possible to capture from HDMI?

[15:28:36]

juski:

nope

[15:28:43]

juski:

not without the aid of converter boxes

[15:29:02]

juski:

i.e. HDMI -> Component -> HD-PVR

[15:29:14]

mkrufky:

HDMI has built-in security that, when activated, will prevent you from being able to record from HDMI

[15:29:24]

krisb:

god damn content mafia :(

[15:29:24]

juski:

and prolly with HDCP stripper inline too, if not already built into the HDMI-Component concerter

[15:29:27]

juski:

*converter

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** juski blames yaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrr **

[15:29:34]

mkrufky:

best to save HDMI to connect the monitor :-)

[15:29:48]

Greek-Boy:

ok. Well perhaps HD from analog sources is good enough for now and the most workable...

[15:30:03]

mkrufky:

"hd from analog sources" ?!?

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Greek-Boy:

what about changing the channels? none of STB's have firewire but some have RS232

[15:30:07]

juski:

prolly looks fine :)

[15:30:16]

mkrufky:

you would use an IR blaster, Greek-Boy

[15:30:26]

juski:

Greek-Boy: if the rs232 works, fine. otherwise it's the IR blaster for you

[15:30:45]

Greek-Boy:

will one IR blaster works for all STB's?

[15:31:08]

juski:

generally, but you'd need an IR blaster PER STB

[15:31:12]

mkrufky:

SHADOW_V: just curious , on your non-working hvr1800 setup, is the module "tuner" loaded ?

[15:31:45]

SHADOW_V:

mkrufky, uh when i was working on it from months ago i believe so what should i run to check if it is now dmesg | grep tuner?

[15:31:57]

mkrufky:

lsmod|grep tuner

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SHADOW_V:

ah ok

[15:32:15]

mkrufky:

i bet its not loaded

[15:32:32]

mkrufky:

there is indeed an ioctl forwarding issue, but i always forget to tell people to load the tuner module

[15:32:52]

mkrufky:

and if thats all thats needed to make myth work, i will kick myself

[15:33:02]

Greek-Boy:

2 of my STB's are also PVR's and branded by the paytv provider which is DStv owned by Multichoice Africa. Their STB's are manafactured by UEC and PACE.

[15:33:11]

SHADOW_V:

mkrufky, yeah it seems to be loaded

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SHADOW_V:

among other things as well

[15:33:31]

mkrufky:

ok, well it was worth a try ... i am building a new machine so that i can see this problem for myself

[15:33:55]

SHADOW_V:

mkrufky, ok yeah i mean during the week i can def help you test out anything but right now i am about to step out

[15:34:03]

mkrufky:

no prob SHADOW_V

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juski:

Greek-Boy: what I mean is, generally an IR blaster should work fine with any STB provided you can get its IR codes easily – but you'll need one IR blaster 'port' (ie. the part which _sends_ _ per STB

[15:34:57]

SHADOW_V:

mkrufky, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1500191

[15:34:58]

Greek-Boy:

juski: i see...

[15:35:25]

Greek-Boy:

what is better to use for HD content? H264 or MPEG4?

[15:35:34]

SHADOW_V:

mkrufky, i also havnt sent stoth anymore nag emails because you told me was working on it and he told me himself he was working on it i dont want to be too much of a pain

[15:37:31]

mkrufky:

h264 is a subset of mpeg4

[15:37:58]

mkrufky:

yeah, SHADOW_V — i am annoyed about this bug now enough that it will be fixed very soon

[15:38:17]

mkrufky:

i think stoth will be the person to fix it the RIGHT way, but im looking for a "quick & dirty" type fix now

[15:38:27]

mkrufky:

and if i stumble across a "right way" then all the better

[15:38:56]

mkrufky:

mainly, i know if i didnt speak up and say driver bug, the mythtv devs would have worked around this in the app

[15:39:16]

mkrufky:

so, they DIDNT work around it, and thats my fault ... so i better damn make sure it gets fixed soon

[15:39:17]

mkrufky:

lol

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SHADOW_V:

mkrufky, yeah its cool i know you guys have lives i am just sorry i couldnt of been more help in the paste to do some leg work i did have an external channel changing script but could only get it to work from terminal in the paste and currently i have to take care of family stuff but i think in the near future i can actually take more of a hands on approach with myth

[15:39:42]

SHADOW_V:

mkrufky, :)

[15:39:44]

SHADOW_V:

no worries

[15:39:56]

mkrufky:

SHADOW_V: are you running tunk ?

[15:40:00]

mkrufky:

trunk?

[15:40:00]

SHADOW_V:

you where helping me in the past as well

[15:40:31]

SHADOW_V:

currently no but i moved boxes around so i can run .21-fixes on my main production box and run trunk on i guess my own dev box

[15:40:32]

SHADOW_V:

:)

[15:40:38]

SHADOW_V:

see i am serious about it

[15:41:13]

mkrufky:

there's an EASY fix that can be done inside myth, it's just wrong, in general, to call a "fix" ... simply sent the encoder video1 channel change commands to video0 instead

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SHADOW_V:

mkrufky, ah yeah i made a script where it would use ivtv tune because that worked

[15:41:47]

mkrufky:

anyway, it will be fixed in the driver soon enough — the biggest issue here is creating a repro environment

[15:41:58]

SHADOW_V:

from terminal but i guess i messed up putting it into mythtv

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SHADOW_V:

repro?

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mkrufky:

in other words ... i cant really work on it until i have a mythtv backend setup with an hvr1800

[15:42:46]

mkrufky:

so thats what i have to do now :-)

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SHADOW_V:

ah ok that works and yeah i will be here during the week if there is anything i can do let me know

[15:43:22]

SHADOW_V:

i am more than willing to help

[15:44:19]

mkrufky:

once i fix it, i'll ask you to confirm that its actually fixed and that im not hallucinating

[15:44:30]

mkrufky:

:-P

[15:44:39]

SHADOW_V:

ah alright

[15:44:53]

mkrufky:

and making matters worse, i am going to have to ask people of various distros / kernel versions to test the fix as well

[15:45:02]

SHADOW_V:

i am sure as a programming you are experiencing some hallucinations

[15:45:08]

mkrufky:

its a long standing bug, ill try to have the fix backported to everywhere it belongs

[15:45:20]

SHADOW_V:

mkrufky, its ok its never to late to fix stuff

[15:45:26]

mkrufky:

:-)

[15:46:02]

mkrufky:

anyway, i upgraded my backend server last night from hardy to jaunty

[15:46:08]

mkrufky:

that actually went pretty smooth

[15:46:30]

SHADOW_V:

thats good glad to hear my previous upgrades have went horrible wrong

[15:46:40]

mkrufky:

mine too

[15:46:44]

mkrufky:

i dunno what possessed me

[15:46:52]

mkrufky:

i felt lacking in eye candy :-)

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stoth:

mkrufky: If yo ucan get mplayer to try and tune it I can fix it from their, if you have other things to attend to. Or not. Right now I'm hampered by the inability to see the problem directly.

[15:56:51]

t3rm1n4l:

where do i find list of low cost tunercards supporting mythtv

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stoth:

t3rm1n4l: Low cost is the reason that tvtuner card manufacturers will end up dying.

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SHADOW_V:

stoth, i was able to get mplayer to tune fine

[15:58:44]

stoth:

if anyone in this room (or catching up on a log) uses a HVR-2250 using MythTV then you need to read this: http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=500

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SHADOW_V:

i was even able to tune using ivtv tune

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stoth:

SHADOW_V: Not me. I had ioctl compatability and mute related errors.

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SHADOW_V:

stoth, as i was saying to mkrufky i can help you guys with whatever problem or question i am ust about to step out

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mkrufky:

stoth: ah, hello ... as it is now, im just setting up a separate mythbackend to repro the hvr1800 issue locally

[15:59:26]

wombo:

I have a cheap tuner here

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stoth:

mkrufky: ok, fair enough. thx.

[15:59:37]

wombo:

but its about 5 or 6 years old doesnt do HD

[15:59:42]

wombo:

and its a framegrabber

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wombo:

oh wait thats normally what cheap means

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SHADOW_V:

wombo, no framegrabbers

[16:00:16]

SHADOW_V:

throw it out

[16:00:22]

t3rm1n4l:

may i know the list

[16:00:35]

SHADOW_V:

go buy a mpeg encoder at the least and go get a digital tuner

[16:00:41]

wombo:

lol it is to much effort to find it to worry about

[16:01:39]

SHADOW_V:

see ya guys ill be back later

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stoth:

l8r SHADOW_V

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t3rm1n4l:

wombo: which is that model ?

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wombo:

haha

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wombo:

sorry mate it is going to the grave, it probably is not even working.

[16:10:15]

wombo:

In Aus a resonable tuner can be had for about AU$50

[16:13:17]

Greek-Boy:

I just found out that my STB uses something called TV-link. Channel-change commands are received via RF from the IR sensor connected in another room... Is it possible to get mythtv to send these signals down the RF cable?

[16:20:20]

laga:

iamlindoro: awwwwwwww! http://www.fecitfacta.com/Graphite/About.html

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laga:

weren't there plans to remove the old CPU-- etc playback settings since we have slim and friends?

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** kormoc sues for discrimination against overweight folks... **

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laga:

you will be refunded ASAP

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** kormoc waits **

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** dustybin is offended **

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** kormoc drops the law suit and goes to support the slim only movement **

[16:28:51]

AndyCap:

No deposit, No return

[16:28:52]

laga:

might get sued by slim fast

[16:30:38]

kormoc:

slim is the fastest profile!

[16:33:27]

dustybin:

are any of you guys capable of doing this: http://www.facebook.com/careers/positions.php?id=291

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kormoc:

likely, but why does that matter?

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dustybin:

not really no

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cesman:

whaaaaa

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laga:

f i wanted to, i could :P

[16:34:33]

cesman:

facebook actually uses Linux?

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AndyCap:

cesman: why is that a surprise?

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** cesman thought since m$ evaluated their value at like 15 billion, they were an all m$ shop **

[16:35:29]

dustybin:

do any of you guys fit this:

[16:35:31]

dustybin:

Obsessive-compulsive attention to detail, and demonstrable lateral thinking – we live outside the box!

[16:35:50]

laga:

i fit the first :P

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AndyCap:

cesman: hotmail wasn't exactly ms based either. :P

[16:36:06]

dustybin:

laga: i can think of quite a few people what fit the first in this channel :P

[16:36:07]

janneg:

they are using ffmpeg

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cesman:

frell'n ridiculous...

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** cesman knows **

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kormoc:

dustybin, I'm still not sure what you're after...

[16:36:34]

dustybin:

kormoc: nothing, just making convo

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AndyCap:

convo? convolution?

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laga:

cesman: heh. you mean 14 billion of that would be MS licenses?

[16:37:17]

cesman:

:)

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janneg:

cesman: running ffmpeg on linux saves probably a couple of videoencoding nodes

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tank-man:

how do you access those playback profiles you guys are talking about?

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tank-man:

ive read the wiki page but it just talks about it, not how to access the menu for it

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iamlindoro:

laga, Heh, yeah, that's the pooch. <pats his emma>

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tank-man:

ok, i see it now

[16:51:40]

sphery:

tank-man: Utilities/Setup|Settings|TV Settings|Playback

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sphery:

like page 3 or so

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sphery:

(from memory, so may be slightly different)

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Greek-Boy:

is there any card that supports emulating remote commands on an RF cable?

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sphery:

Greek-Boy: just make a nice serial port transmitter and use a cable of whatever length you like (can use ethernet cable, even)

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sphery:

Greek-Boy: or get a USB one with a long cable on the IR led (after the USB run)

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AndyCap:

or some of these if you really must use RF. http://www.smarthome.com/81280/Xantech-Infrar . . . INJ94/p.aspx seriously doubt they grok your receiver though

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sphery:

can get http://iguanaworks.net/product1.psp with 5-ft cables on the ir led

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Mitja:

Hi! Anybody alive?

[17:10:48]

scopeuk:

nope were all zombies and vampires

[17:10:58]

scopeuk:

good morning sir how can we help?

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Mitja:

Morning :) I am neww with MythTV and can not figure out how to add network win share to watch movies?

[17:12:55]

scopeuk:

ok this is a general linux thing what you want to do is look up cifs shares and linux

[17:13:09]

scopeuk:

or alternativly smb shares and linux the two are closely related

[17:13:49]

scopeuk:

once your mythbox knows about the share and has mounted it you just tell myth movies where to look

[17:13:54]

Mitja:

so, as I understand, it can not be added from GUI on TV screen?

[17:14:07]

scopeuk:

no

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sanmarcos:

I want to have my mythbackend on my linux server, but watch it over the network in OS X, is it possible?

[17:14:21]

scopeuk:

you would have to mount the share from your myth tv box

[17:14:25]

Mitja:

ok, thanks. I will keep looking.

[17:15:28]

dustybin:

what does: use GUI size for TV playback mean?

[17:15:35]

dustybin:

what is the GUI?

[17:15:46]

sanmarcos:

what is 0.21-fixes?

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krisb:

graphical user interface

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krisb:

the menus, etc

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dustybin:

right i see, is the OSD a GUI?

[17:16:05]

scopeuk:

0.21-fixes is a version of the myth tv development tree

[17:16:13]

scopeuk:

it is part of it dustybin

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sanmarcos:

should I use 0.21 or 0.21-fixes? for OS X (the frontend)

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dustybin:

right ok

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dustybin:

im still getting the blank menu problem

[17:16:57]

dustybin:

sanmarcos: 0.21-fixes

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scopeuk:

dustybin you using qt or gl rendering?

[17:17:47]

dustybin:

i had been using gl, now ive switched to qt

[17:17:49]

sanmarcos:

dustybin: it is a full release, not a diff on 0.21 right, so for now I should use 0.21 fixes for the frontend, and it will work with mythbuntu as a backend?

[17:18:03]

dustybin:

im using compiled myself .21 fixes

[17:18:16]

sanmarcos:

but does it have a requirement on the backend version?

[17:18:17]

scopeuk:

tried mythtv-frontend --reset?

[17:18:30]

dustybin:

scopeuk: yes done that loads of times

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dustybin:

doesnt resolve the problem, what happens randomly

[17:18:57]

scopeuk:

no but it eliminates configuration issues

[17:19:01]

scopeuk:

or ateleast reduces them

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dustybin:

its a strange problem, ive had it for ages

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dustybin:

it only ever seems to happen when i come out of watching live tv

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dustybin:

if i watch pre-recorded stuff, it has never happened

[17:21:48]

scopeuk:

hmm weird think i use to get tat a while ago but i've been through that many myt hinstalls and versions i lose track

[17:22:11]

dustybin:

the background image of the menu is there

[17:22:14]

dustybin:

just no text

[17:22:21]

dustybin:

i can blindly move around with the remote

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dustybin:

when i navigate into a menu, like recordings, everything appears again

[17:22:48]

dustybin:

when i navigate out into the main menu, it then goes blank

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dustybin:

pkill X resolves the problem, but then it will happen again, at a random time

[17:23:19]

scopeuk:

sounds almost like somethin with the skin is going wonky you tried different skins

[17:23:20]

scopeuk:

?

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dustybin:

yes that could possibly be a issue, im using mepo

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dustybin:

that is the only problem i have with myth, everything else works perfectly

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dustybin:

solid and stable

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dustybin:

it might be because i am using a low resolution, and that theme is designed for a high resolution

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scopeuk:

maby try a differnet skin for a few days/week and see hwo it goes?

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sanmarcos:

does mythtv work with the EL Gato tuner?

[17:32:34]

iamlindoro:

If you mean on Mac OS X, no

[17:32:44]

iamlindoro:

the only tuner you can use the backend with on Mac OS X is the HDHomeRun

[17:33:15]

sanmarcos:

so for mac users a better solution is the eyetv/elgato combo

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sphery:

dustybin: try rm -rf ~/.mythtv/{theme,osd}cache

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sphery:

then restart the frontend

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dustybin:

sphery: already tried that, didnt resolve the problem

[17:33:52]

iamlindoro:

For mac users you want to use myth, they should buy an inexpensive box to be the (linux) backend

[17:34:01]

iamlindoro:

and then use their mac as a frontend as desired

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iamlindoro:

(IMO)

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sanmarcos:

right, and for the tuner, what is recommended?

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iamlindoro:

Any tuner which is supported in linux which meets your needs

[17:35:06]

sphery:

in other words, http://linuxtv.org/

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sphery:

and, specifically, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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sanmarcos:

why would you use mythtv when you can download all the shows commercial free, and HD from bittorrent?

[17:36:38]

iamlindoro:

because we're not thieves? Such talk is not tolerated here.

[17:37:12]

iamlindoro:

And no, debate on the subject isn't welcome either

[17:37:17]

sanmarcos:

well suppose you had no problems with using bt, other than live TV, there is no reason to use Myth

[17:37:20]

iamlindoro:

nor is anyone's useless opinion about the morality of it

[17:37:22]

sanmarcos:

or say itunes for HD downloads

[17:37:29]

** kormoc eyes sanmarcos **

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sphery:

Seems there's a whole new way of thinking out there...

[17:37:44]

kormoc:

sanmarcos, so what part about we don't welcome that talk here didn't you understand?

[17:37:57]

sphery:

yeah, there's absolutely no reason to use Myth

[17:38:04]

sphery:

be on your way, now

[17:38:39]

kormoc:

sanmarcos, if you want to use itunes for your tv, feel free, it just tends to cost a lot more imho then a normal cable/tv connection and recording it myself, for my volumn of tv

[17:38:57]

kormoc:

sanmarcos, it might be cheaper for you, it might not

[17:41:39]

juski:

cheaper? pirates want it all for free :)

[17:42:13]

juski:

what do you mean, the actors, tech staff, writers etc want paid? Hahahahaha

[17:44:26]

sphery:

Speaking of, have you heard about Pirate Bay? Subscription model, but the subscription price goes down depending on how much new content you make available. How's that work? They reward people for stealing and uploading content owned by others? (As I doubt any media license says, "You are entitled to: upload the contents of the <media> to Pirate Bay.")

[17:44:33]

juski:

yeah you can have 'free' teevee but it'll all have to be single camera dross featuring no-marks shot on a camcorder :D

[17:44:46]

scopeuk:

juski saw a midi controler today that might be waht you want http://www.akaipro.com/apc40

[17:45:02]

juski:

scopeuk: too expensive. pretty though

[17:45:14]

scopeuk:

that sums up my position on it

[17:47:24]

Dagmar:

juski: Well, I suppose we'll see how well the "new" PB works this evening

[17:47:36]

juski:

sphery: re TPB All I wanna know is, how much will a $blockbuster CAM cost in the new model

[17:47:51]

juski:

do screeners cost extra? ;-)

[17:50:46]

scopeuk:

cam $10; pop corn $5; soda for 2 $5; having the door broken down mid film priceless

[17:50:56]

juski:

rofl

[17:51:02]

sanmarcos:

anyhow, I just find no reason to use myth with hulu/bt/itunes, streaming, downloading, and using a media center like Boxee/AppleTV, etc. Live TV is nice but it is too expensive, and who needs Live TV except for stuff like CNN/Sports? which with espn360, cnn.com, eventually it will all be streaming over the net.

[17:51:17]

sanmarcos:

but myth is nice, awesome project for what it does.

[17:51:19]

juski:

who needs Live TV full stop?

[17:51:22]

juski:

:-)

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iamlindoro:

We don't use LiveTV, generally speaking

[17:51:55]

juski:

who needs wasting hours grazing trying to find something worthy of our attention, only to find it started 10 minutes ago?

[17:52:03]

iamlindoro:

anyway, you've spent 20 minutes her saying it's not worth using myth-- that's fine, so why not leave then?

[17:52:31]

sanmarcos:

i wanted to see your opinions into the matter

[17:52:44]

kormoc:

sanmarcos, your argument is the first time I ever considered anything else in the field, I'll drop all my development on the mythtv project right away!

[17:52:55]

sanmarcos:

kormoc: thanks !!

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sanmarcos:

bye

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[17:53:26]

iamlindoro:

jackass

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neoteny:

i FINALLY got this hauppauge remote double key press issue resolved! my was going to put her foot down over that.

[17:54:02]

laga:

your was?

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juski:

ahh repeat = :-)

[17:54:13]

neoteny:

errr wife

[17:54:17]

juski:

saviour of many a marriage

[17:54:40]

neoteny:

juski, not just repeat =. that alone doesn't do that trick

[17:54:46]

juski:

ahh delay =

[17:54:51]

neoteny:

juski, nope.

[17:54:53]

juski:

many a marriage saved by that too :D

[17:55:05]

laga:

aah viagra =

[17:55:09]

kormoc:

neoteny, you had the every other press was broken issue?

[17:55:11]

iamlindoro:

What is this, "guess what my problem was?"

[17:55:13]

iamlindoro:

Who cares??

[17:55:16]

juski:

also multiple entries in lircrc :)

[17:55:21]

neoteny:

juski, to get it working the best you have to use repeat = 2 and then repeat the config line

[17:55:33]

kormoc:

laga, my remote doesn't seem to have that feature :(

[17:55:35]

juski:

whut?

[17:55:43]

juski:

you need only one config = $foo line

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neoteny:

kormoc,no, repeat key presses.

[17:56:02]

** kormoc blinks **

[17:56:12]

neoteny:

juski, nope. not with my remote. you need 2 config lines

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kormoc:

that makes no sense

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juski:

EWRONGSPELLING in lircrc then

[17:56:31]

kormoc:

as the second config line just over-writes the first...

[17:56:56]

neoteny:

nope.

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juski:

well whatever you think, it works. amen

[17:58:56]

sphery:

sounds like he has a remote that sends button press and button release and didn't configure it right

[17:59:03]

sphery:

so it picks up both

[17:59:13]

neoteny:

juski, it works for me. but more than that. i have a friend with the same remote. he gave me the repeat = solution and said it was working fine for him. turns out it was just better than without it but still wasn't good. he just got used to it. repeated the config line and said it was amazing the difference.

[17:59:46]

neoteny:

sphery, what's the right way then?

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[18:00:42]

sphery:

Can't say--I could give you the right way for my remote, but haven't done up a config for yours :)

[18:00:48]

neoteny:

sphery, because this fix doesn't help in boxee.

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[18:01:27]

sphery:

but there's likely something wrong in your /etc/lircd.conf--like toggle bit

[18:01:42]

sphery:

or, it could just be that your remote sends buttons /very/ fast and you have too small a gap specified

[18:03:11]

sphery:

wonder if lenswipe was looking for this type of info: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Multiple_Recordings_with_VLC (the VLC/IPTV part more so than the multirec)

[18:04:33]

gbee:

or whether he was asking how to watch recordings/livetv from vlc

[18:04:45]

sphery:

which is definitely not Myth related

[18:04:46]

gbee:

which would be a #vlc question

[18:04:50]

sphery:

yeah

[18:05:12]

plextortv402u:

janneg: are you around?

[18:05:34]

sphery:

perhaps he has a new R5000 and since mean danielk is forcing him to not use R5000 support in Myth, he had to make VLC turn it into an IPTV stream to use it with Myth :)

[18:06:09]

Dagmar:

That's still just a great idea

[18:06:28]

Dagmar:

IPTV is very likely the transport protocol that is where all the consumer devices are headed

[18:06:31]

sphery:

It's the right way to use R5000 with Myth, but R5000 is a terrible idea

[18:06:38]

sphery:

especially with the existence of HD-PVR for half the cost

[18:09:01]

sphery:

Had to look up the quote, "This is a -religious- issue for you and other devs." What ever happened to separation of Church and FOSS? ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 89083#389083 )

[18:09:27]

neoteny:

sphery, is toggle_reset the configuration option you're talking about?

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sphery:

neoteny: no, the toggle_bit value in /etc/lircd.conf

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AndyCap:

sphery: It's lost in a sea of combat boots.

[18:11:05]

sphery:

toggle_bit is where you specify the bit mask between a first signal and second signal from the same button press

[18:11:17]

neoteny:

sphery, i don't see that option on the configuring lircd page

[18:11:18]

sphery:

neoteny: but you can also just try doubling the gap

[18:11:37]

sphery:

neoteny: that's pretty funny... Documentation for lirc. Thanks for the laugh. ;)

[18:11:42]

neoteny:

sphery, i tried all manner of repeat and nothing helped.

[18:11:51]

scopeuk:

just to save us all some suffering you have backend up your config before you start screwing around have tn you?

[18:11:51]

sphery:

neoteny: try doubling the gap

[18:12:02]

sphery:

neoteny: then restart lircd, then test

[18:12:11]

scopeuk:

backend*

[18:12:20]

neoteny:

sphery i did. i tried from 1 to 100

[18:12:21]

scopeuk:

backed* damned muscle memmory

[18:12:38]

neoteny:

sphery, i'm patient if nothing else.

[18:12:47]

sphery:

neoteny: that's orders of magnitude too small

[18:13:02]

sphery:

like, if you have 120000, try 250000

[18:13:20]

sphery:

gap is in microseconds, IIRC

[18:13:48]

sphery:

and by gap, I mean the gap value specified in /etc/lircd.conf

[18:13:57]

sphery:

i.e. /nothing/ in ~/.lircrc

[18:13:57]

plextortv402u:

sphery: that channel change issue from yesterday...based on the verbose log I posted to pastebin there seems to be some sort of issue w/ the channel not being found on the 'current' input. Based on the output, it is looking for the channel on the current input, not finding it, then widening the search and finding it. That's what causes the input change...but all the channels are on the same tuner...and this occurs regardless of what starting

[18:14:42]

plextortv402u:

sphery: I checked the mysql tables and all the channels have the same input, and have chanid's and callsigns defined just fine

[18:15:15]

neoteny:

sphery, thanks. i got the file you're talking about. i'll play around and see if that helps in boxee.

[18:15:51]

sphery:

neoteny: yeah, trial and error is the best way... try gap first--as toggle_bit is /much/ harder to figure out

[18:16:22]

sphery:

toggle_bit is the bit mask specifying the difference between the 2 codes sent for each button press

[18:16:27]

sphery:

(IIRC)

[18:19:00]

sphery:

plextortv402u: can you pastebin the output of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'select chanid, channum, freqid, sourceid, callsign, tvformat from channel; select * from settings where value = "TVFormat"; select cardinputid, cardid, sourceid, externalcommand, tunechan, startchan from cardinput; select sourceid, name from videosource;'

[18:20:13]

plextortv402u:

sphery: with pleasure

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plextortv402u:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/m39d09aed

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sphery:

plextortv402u: how about: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'select cardid, cardtype, defaultinput from capturecard;'

[18:31:05]

coldpenguin:

Hi, on a trunk build, is there a way of forcing a mythfrontend to ignore a database schema change?

[18:31:25]

Dagmar:

Sure. You can just use dd to write random crap into your database files tho

[18:31:29]

Dagmar:

It would be faster and less painful

[18:31:32]

sphery:

heh

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janneg:

coldpenguin: not really

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sphery:

definitely without reading the code so that you know what will happen when you do it

[18:32:07]

janneg:

coldpenguin: which bug?

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sphery:

s/definitely/definitely not/\

[18:33:29]

coldpenguin:

There is a bug I raised last week, someone suggested running the frontends on 20976 (bug number 6716). Unfortunately this only affected the frontends, so as I hadn

[18:33:54]

coldpenguin:

hadn't seen any schema or protocol announcements in the dev list, I kept the backends up-to-date

[18:34:57]

gbee:

what bug in revision 20796??

[18:35:04]

coldpenguin:

however there seems to have been a change in the last 2 days, which has meant that my frontends will no longer connect at the old revision, and will connect, but can't watch any recordings (it appears to affect most recordings at the moment) with the new revision

[18:35:06]

gbee:

it just changes a couple of strings

[18:35:30]

sphery:

gbee: I think they were just saying it worked when running a pre-ffmpeg-sync version

[18:35:52]

coldpenguin:

Sorry, revision 20976 is the last revision which appears to work. Someone re-produced the bug on the revision I was on at the time (20830 I think), then said that it would appear to be the ffmeg sync which has introduced the bug

[18:36:24]

gbee:

right, ok

[18:36:30]

coldpenguin:

I know this is not likely to be fixed in a hurry, as the syncs are a major effort, but a bit of a pain (my stupidity) that I upgraded the backend.

[18:36:30]

gbee:

this bug have a ticket?

[18:36:48]

neoteny:

sphery, thanks! i got a million, "you just need to change repeat = 0 to repeat = 1, 2,3, etc it works for you." and the add config echo '' > /dev/null... neither of which works as well as my work around. but doubling the gap worked perfectly in mythtv and boxee.

[18:36:50]

Dibblah:

coldpenguin: So revert to your previous backup.

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janneg:

gbee: yes 6716

[18:37:43]

janneg:

looking at it now

[18:37:54]

sphery:

neoteny: yeah, unfortunately /because/ there's no good docs for LIRC, most people never really figure it out. But, there are a few of us who are so stubborn we actually read the source to figure out how to config it. ;)

[18:38:01]

gbee:

boxee still exists? Thought it had gone south when hulu forced them to remove the integration

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gbee:

janneg: sorry, missed that, saw the revision number and failed to read on

[18:39:08]

neoteny:

gbee, no, boxee works with hulu again. but only tv's. no movies.

[18:39:14]

gbee:

then began wondering just how that particular commit could amount to deal breaking bug ;)

[18:39:43]

gbee:

neoteny: but integrated or merely working as a web browser within boxee?

[18:39:49]

Dibblah:

coldpenguin: I'm being serious here – Myth writes a backup when you do an upgrade that causes a schema change.

[18:39:56]

Dibblah:

So just revert to the backup

[18:40:03]

coldpenguin:

Ok, thanks

[18:40:11]

neoteny:

gbee, hmmm, works pretty much like any other boxee app as far as a can tell.

[18:40:33]

sphery:

neoteny: btw, the value you now have for gap may not be right. If you find that it doesn't register the second button press when you /want/ to hit the same button twice (like when jumping 11 minutes forward in a recording), you'll need to lower it. Just play with it until you find the right balance.

[18:40:39]

neoteny:

gbee, meaning you move around with the remote.

[18:40:40]

eljefe:

Is it possible to pull tv guide from the channel listings on the cable providers website. it says it uses zap2it, which myth used to use right?

[18:41:05]

sphery:

eljefe: no

[18:41:16]

sphery:

unless you want to write yourself an xmltv grabber to do it

[18:41:35]

sphery:

if it's not forbidden by the web site's terms of service, you may even get some help

[18:41:39]

coldpenguin:

Can you point me in the rough direction? I was being lazy, and recompiled both backends at the same time, then set them to auto-start. Don't know which one would have finished fist....

[18:42:03]

neoteny:

sphery, noted. i will play around with it if things don't seem exactly right. so far i moved around pretty quickly doing things i couldn't do before without error and didn't notice any double presses of misses or entering the last button again which was another issue it had.

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sphery:

though chances are there aren't enough people using that cable provider and xmltv to make it worthwhile

[18:42:20]

eljefe:

Ha, I doubt it, its cox, but I can try it I guess.

[18:42:28]

plextortv402u:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/m7967dbcb

[18:42:30]

sphery:

as you'll have to fix the scraper /every/ time they change anything on the web page

[18:42:37]

sphery:

and then all the people using it will have to download it

[18:42:39]

neoteny:

sphery, and i'll update the forums i read with the tip about the gap setting.

[18:42:49]

coldpenguin:

found the one, don't worry. Luckilly the backend logs the old schema in the logs.

[18:43:03]

sphery:

eljefe: and I can /guarantee/ that the cost in time will be /much/ greater than the $20/year ($0.05/day) for Schedules Direct

[18:43:30]

sphery:

eljefe: and I can /guarantee/ that the quality of the data will be signficantly lacking compared to that you'll get for Schedules Direct

[18:43:39]

gbee:

that's interesting, obviously boxee is either licensing the content from hulu or come to an arrangement, if the latter that opens the door for myth to do the same (not that I care about hulu)

[18:43:44]

neoteny:

yeah 20 a year is worth it.

[18:43:47]

sphery:

so just go sign up for the 7-day trial at schedulesdirect.org and you'll see why it's worth the $20

[18:43:55]

eljefe:

http://ww2.cox.com/myconnection/santabarbara/ . . . listings.cox

[18:44:05]

eljefe:

it looks pretty complete though, as long as they don't change it

[18:44:35]

eljefe:

but thanks for the input sphery, you're always helpful

[18:44:37]

kormoc:

Historically, they change it fairly often and block 'abusive ips', typically ones scraping their listings

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neoteny:

seems not only cost effective compared to the $20 yearly fee. i'd almost go so far as to say scraping a site with such a nice service and resonable fee is on the evil side.

[18:45:51]

sphery:

plextortv402u: hmmm... Looks like things are set up pretty ok. I don't know why it would try to switch inputs with that config.

[18:45:52]

eljefe:

I pay for my cable

[18:46:21]

kormoc:

doesn't change the fact that they'll consider is abuse likely

[18:46:31]

juski:

heh. A twitterer seems to think that Cablecard in linux is viable. He will attempt it & document his findings

[18:46:42]

sphery:

eljefe: what they don't give you is stuff like programid (used for duplicate detection), and all sorts of other details.

[18:47:12]

sphery:

juski: he must have read the Ubuntu page on April 1st

[18:47:25]

plextortv402u:

janneg: any further thoughts? / I could also live with a temporary .21 patch that set the decoding properties again after the input 'change'

[18:47:26]

scopeuk:

juski please correct terminology here "twit"

[18:47:31]

gbee:

let him discover that for himself, some people just won't take good advice

[18:47:33]

juski:

"ith a CableCard we could run a Linux box with MythTV I believe. I just need help to set it up. Then we can document it."

[18:48:01]

kormoc:

eljefe, it's covered by this clause in the TOS, "You may not republish any portion of the Content on any Internet, Intranet or extranet site or incorporate the Content in any database, compilation, archive or cache."

[18:48:21]

juski:

seeing lots of moaning on there. very disparaging. Not on a -users mailing list level quite yet though :-)

[18:48:32]

scopeuk:

doesent that make it a breach to browse the website at all

[18:48:36]

kormoc:

Anduin, "you may not archive, modify, copy, frame, cache, reproduce, sell, publish, transmit, display or otherwise use any portion of the Content"

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AndyCap:

juski: well. with the right motivation I'm sure somebody could pull it off. but it will end up in the banished lands with other haxxor cam's

[18:49:03]

gbee:

scopeuk: technically, yes ;)

[18:49:08]

juski:

eljefe: look on the bright side, you've said you're gonna scrape it, and here they can find everything they need about you from the channel log :-)

[18:49:14]

sphery:

eljefe: and, really, imagine the hours and hours of time you'll spend writing, testing, and maintaining the code that scrapes the site. Now, take $20 and divide by the number of hours you spent in the first year. Are you /really/ only worth that much per hour?

[18:49:15]

kormoc:

scopeuk, nah, that's covered by, "You may use the Content online only, and solely for your personal, non-commercial use"

[18:49:26]

kormoc:

sorry Anduin

[18:49:31]

scopeuk:

ah i'm not readign it jsut runnign of the bits and bobs being posted

[18:49:32]

sphery:

There is /no/ such thing as a $20 piece of software.

[18:49:33]

AndyCap:

kormoc: if they set the expired headers to disable caching sure.

[18:49:52]

sphery:

and, even if you do SD for 5 years, it's only $100...

[18:50:14]

juski:

maybe looking at EPG data as a daily rate would help people see sense more easily

[18:50:35]

AndyCap:

juski: or per show recorded.

[18:50:35]

sphery:

and, what happens when you spend 100's of hours in the first year making the scraper, then Cox raises prices/encrypts content on your favorite channels/upsets you, and you switch to Dish or DirecTV?

[18:50:38]

kormoc:

well, the thing is, Cox is just pushing directly to zap2it, and we *know* they do extensive monitoring for scrapers and all that jazz, and they *will* block ip addresses

[18:50:39]

neoteny:

sphery, seems like that's worth it even for the mechanical turk workers. have they disabled that site yet?

[18:50:49]

scopeuk:

even if you break it down to weekly or monthly

[18:50:50]

kormoc:

affiliate.zap2it.com

[18:50:53]

sphery:

juski: yeah, $0.05/day for SD

[18:50:54]

scopeuk:

the weekly figure is very tempting

[18:51:03]

sphery:

(which is actually rounded /up/ to the nearest penny)

[18:51:32]

juski:

and to think, people think nothing of buying video cards, CPUs, RAM, cases, VFDs, yada yada ;-)

[18:51:33]

AndyCap:

neoteny: why would they disable mturk?

[18:51:43]

scopeuk:

for less than 40c a week you can have uptodate listings

[18:51:45]

juski:

how much did VHS tapes cost again? ;-)

[18:52:06]

** scopeuk notes that every bit of his myth box is salavaged apart from the tv card **

[18:52:06]

juski:

VHS tapes, plus TV Guide.. it's coming in at more than SD already :D

[18:52:14]

neoteny:

AndyCap, i figure turk's probably hate speach :)

[18:52:23]

juski:

oh wait I forget. We're not talking about rational folks here

[18:52:33]

AndyCap:

now, if you only record 5 programmes a year, we're suddenly talking 4$ per program.

[18:52:36]

neoteny:

AndyCap, just my sense of politically correct humor

[18:52:57]

juski:

AndyCap: all it'd take is another writer's strike :P

[18:53:22]

AndyCap:

and that's almost enough to buy it on dvd from the bargain bin if you can find it

[18:53:34]

plextortv402u:

janneg: I suppose I'll embark on

[18:53:39]

neoteny:

AndyCap, if you record 5 programs a year, use record by time or pay the neighbor kid to come in and record it manually

[18:53:42]

plextortv402u:

patching it meself

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eljefe:

yea okay guys, thanks for the help

[18:54:48]

juski:

heh the analogue clock on this 'rocketdock' app are just rotating bitmaps. neat-o

[18:55:02]

juski:

s/clock/clock\ parts/

[18:56:20]

dustybin:

The next channel is #paddington. Please mind the gap between the channel and the server.

[18:56:53]

neoteny:

vcr plus is about $5 at the goodwill these days

[18:56:58]

sphery:

hmmm.... it's actually about $0.05479 per day.

[18:57:07]

sphery:

I was thiking it was 4.7cents/day

[18:57:11]

** kormoc eyes dustybin **

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eljefe:

well, if you round right, thats almost $0.06 a day! zomgs.

[18:57:36]

sphery:

yeah, sorry

[18:57:37]

eljefe:

lol

[18:57:40]

sphery:

guess you'll have to reconsider

[18:57:40]

kormoc:

"For pennies a day!"

[18:57:44]

juski:

kormoc: somebody's been watching too much Harry Potter

[18:57:51]

kormoc:

you need to add in leapyears

[18:58:00]

sphery:

still only 38.5cents/week

[18:58:01]

kormoc:

so it's 365.25 days per year

[18:58:13]

sphery:

I've been doing non-leap years, so only 365 days

[18:58:22]

neoteny:

on my last set up right when they started charged for SD i used that option. didn't like it as well but it was sort of workable.

[18:58:43]

kormoc:

0.0547570157!

[18:58:49]

sphery:

figure the extra .25 days is kind of mean to do to a user who only uses it for 2009, 2010, and 2011 ;)

[18:58:54]

eljefe:

yea, if you get down into their tos it says specifically no scraping

[18:59:06]

eljefe:

SDs it is.

[18:59:39]

AndyCap:

my dvb-c provider has 7 days of EPG data, but can I get any driver working? noooo.

[18:59:48]

sphery:

eljefe: start with the trial and within 7 days, you'll decide it's worth the $20

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neoteny:

imo scraping should only be done when: 1. you have explicate consent 2. you hate the site.

[19:00:21]

eljefe:

cox fits into 2

[19:00:36]

neoteny:

3. don't mind when the ban you.

[19:00:37]

iamlindoro:

only one of those is acceptable in this channel/by this project

[19:00:39]

sphery:

neoteny: and 3. your time is worth less than the data

[19:00:51]

eljefe:

im a student, i pay for my time :-/

[19:00:52]

neoteny:

yeah

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sphery:

eljefe: well, in that case, you can use your time for the good of humanity--i.e. writing /useful/ code, such as patches/enhancements/bug fixes for Myth :)

[19:01:51]

neoteny:

sphery, that gap setting works so well i'm going to name my next kid after you: sphery rand dodd.

[19:01:59]

sphery:

heh

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eljefe:

i thought it would be, but in the tos its not :(

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iamlindoro:

Tour de France in HD is damn pretty

[19:04:08]

** iamlindoro hugs his HD-PVR **

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AndyCap:

tour de france in hd made all the other DVB-T channels ugly

[19:04:13]

sphery:

kormoc: so, I'm about to find out if I can get through a whole level of Peggle before locking up the 360/RRoD'ing since it's had a whole night of cooling off

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AndyCap:

and not because they don't stand up to the comparison. :>

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sphery:

Hmmm.. that's a negative. Didn't even get the XBox logo on screen.

[19:05:12]

plextortv402u:

can someone advise me on how to enable debug flags in the myth .21 configure?

[19:05:24]

plextortv402u:

ie I'd like to be able to gdb attach to it and see meaningful info

[19:05:24]

iamlindoro:

--compile-type=debug

[19:05:27]

sphery:

plextortv402u: packages?

[19:05:40]

sphery:

plextortv402u: if so, you could use the wiki page :D

[19:05:42]

plextortv402u:

sphery: in this case no, just to build it

[19:05:57]

sphery:

(after writing the appropriate section of the wiki page)

[19:06:00]

plextortv402u:

sphery: gonna try to man up and solve my own bug :)

[19:06:04]

sphery:

plextortv402u: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

[19:06:12]

sphery:

which refs http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

[19:06:22]

sphery:

but I recommend using --compile-type=profile

[19:06:37]

** iamlindoro is old school **

[19:06:37]

sphery:

as debug removes most all optimizations, but profile leaves them in

[19:07:51]

sphery:

most of the time you can still figure out the bt's when the code is optimized

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sphery:

(though there are areas where that's not the case--but they shouldn't be an issue for the code you're looking at)

[19:08:44]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, some of us only have Athlon X2 6000+ frontends, not HAL

[19:09:34]

** iamlindoro 's red electronic eye thrums dangerously **

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gbee:

could have done without the reminder that I forgot to record 2001 earlier today

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sphery:

heh, sorry

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eljefe:

how long should mythfilldatabase take the first time?

[19:14:16]

kormoc:

it takes a few minutes at least

[19:14:24]

eljefe:

and seems to go in circles?

[19:14:26]

iamlindoro:

and depending on system, quite a bit more

[19:14:32]

kormoc:

yes, upto 24 loops

[19:14:40]

kormoc:

(or is it 28)

[19:14:51]

iamlindoro:

woudl depend on # of lineups, no?

[19:14:55]

eljefe:

okay just making sure im not stuck in some loop.

[19:15:27]

sphery:

I wonder how long TV stations will keep broadcasting, "This film has been modified from its original version. It has been formatted to fit this screen..." when they're broadcasting a 4:3 version of the movie.

[19:15:40]

kormoc:

well, 14 days of data, attemps to download it twice, once failing and once succeeding

[19:15:56]

janneg:

coldpenguin: can you try if http://www.grunau.be/ticket_6716_possible_fix.diff fixes the problem

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neoteny:

is there a way to configure mythtv so that chanel up actually changes the chanel without needing to hit another button?

[19:20:22]

janneg:

neoteny: yes

[19:20:36]

sphery:

neoteny: turn off 'Always use browse mode'

[19:21:41]

neoteny:

that's what that seeting it.

[19:22:00]

coldpenguin:

janneg sure, against which version of code?

[19:23:00]

janneg:

coldpenguin: current but it shouldn't matter if it is a couple of days old

[19:23:18]

janneg:

everything from this week is ok

[19:23:30]

iamlindoro:

browse mode sucks

[19:23:45]

sphery:

no, LiveTV sucks

[19:23:47]

iamlindoro:

you'll change five channels and want to kill yourself

[19:23:58]

iamlindoro:

as you will have lost 30–60 seconds

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sphery:

iamlindoro: that's without browse mode

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janneg:

iamlindoro: browse mode needs a select for the channel switch wo it's the other way

[19:24:37]

sphery:

browse mode lets you browse the EPG data for the other channels instead of changing them

[19:24:45]

iamlindoro:

oh, right, my bad

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sphery:

So, if it's the opposite of browse mode, would that be "buying mode"? You know how you tell a guy at the store, "No, thanks, I don't need help, I'm just browsing."

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jams:

awful pun

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neoteny:

i'll change that switch and see if the wife likes it better.

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janneg:

coldpenguin: I think I might introduced your bug in [20811]

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janneg:

so everything after that should be fine

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[19:30:18]

coldpenguin:

ok, I will do it to the latest checkout anyway

[19:30:36]

pizzledizzle:

how do you automatically close livetv in the middle of the night

[19:31:08]

janneg:

try F9

[19:31:17]

janneg:

for a sleep timer

[19:31:28]

coldpenguin:

I am running encap, so swapping between compiles is easy enough, however, the database isn't

[19:31:45]

pizzledizzle:

i want it done every night because sometimes people forget to turn off livetv after they're done watchingit

[19:32:58]

kormoc:

pizzledizzle, write a script that checks the frontends via the telnet interface and if they're in live tv, exit out of it

[19:33:14]

coldpenguin:

@pizzle, there was an undocumented feature in .20 which was to stop a recording/livetv after X hours if there had been no activity. Required a change to a value in the database

[19:35:15]

sphery:

coldpenguin: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'INSERT INTO settings VALUES ('LiveTVIdleTimeout', 125, NULL);

[19:35:26]

sphery:

will give you a 125min timeout

[19:35:32]

coldpenguin:

that could be it!

[19:35:41]

** iamlindoro puzzles that there's no config for that **

[19:35:46]

** iamlindoro sighs, goes off to add one **

[19:35:53]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, should be one

[19:36:05]

sphery:

iamlindoro: don't know whether to make it global or host-specific, though

[19:36:08]

sphery:

perhaps host-specific?

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pizzledizzle:

thanks

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scopeuk:

globabl with host specific override?

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sphery:

well, for the UI, it's either a global or host-specific setting

[19:41:57]

sphery:

unless someone writes code to make another setting that sets whether it's global, but anything LiveTV related isn't worth the bother, IMHO :)

[19:42:26]

sphery:

I think iamlindoro was just putting the 5 lines of code in that makes it show up in the settings screens

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lenswipe:

hey guys

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scopeuk:

fair enough

[19:43:48]

lenswipe:

im having issues with getting mythtv frontend to play media on a backend server

[19:44:03]

lenswipe:

the server is working perfectly and im able to stream music from it using plugplayer on an ipod toutch

[19:44:55]

lenswipe:

however when i try and connect with mythtvfrontend on fedora 11 i get "Mythmusic has encountered the following error: DecoderMAD: Failed to open input. Error 5"

[19:45:01]

lenswipe:

anyone know whats up with that?

[19:45:11]

lenswipe:

i can see all the tracks on the remote server but i cant play any of them

[19:46:17]

sphery:

Myth's frontend plugins require access to the files on the filesystem. So, if you have it on some other host, use NFS or CIFS and mount the network share.

[19:46:35]

sphery:

frontend plugins include MythVideo and MythMusic and MythGallery

[19:47:00]

lenswipe:

right so how do i go about doing that?

[19:47:26]

sphery:

just mount the network shares in exactly the same place on all hosts (absolute path must be identical)

[19:47:35]

juski:

man /etc/exports

[19:47:38]

lcase:

lenswipe: plugplayer streams recordings from mythtv?

[19:47:39]

juski:

man fstab :)

[19:47:45]

sphery:

then scan (if necessary), then enjoy

[19:48:20]

lenswipe:

but i have no idea how to do that?!?

[19:48:28]

lenswipe:

i have to mount the filesystems using CIFS or something?

[19:48:30]

lenswipe:

how?

[19:48:39]

RDV_Linux:

For all linux distributions Is the mtab file always found on "/etc" eg. "/etc/mtab"?

[19:48:46]

lenswipe:

whats mtab?

[19:49:18]

Dagmar:

It's a psuedo-file that lists which filesystems are mounted and where.

[19:49:21]

Dagmar:

Don't try to edit it.

[19:49:37]

lenswipe:

right

[19:49:40]

Dagmar:

You should probably start with a book on Linux or a lot of tutorials.

[19:49:51]

lenswipe:

so how do i get mythfrontend to play stuff from my backend server?

[19:50:10]

kormoc:

RDV_Linux, all the major ones, yes, but there are a few very little used ones without a /etc dir

[19:50:14]

Dagmar:

...or ask questions like that in your distribution-centric channel (#ubuntu, #redhat, etc)

[19:50:37]

RDV_Linux:

koroc: thanks

[19:50:40]

lenswipe:

Dagmar: right, so i should be asking this in #fedora?

[19:51:24]

Dibblah:

mtab isn't a pseudo file.

[19:51:27]

Dibblah:

It's a file.

[19:51:33]

kormoc:

lenswipe, you should ask #fedora about nfs mounts, yes, or research them on google

[19:51:34]

Dibblah:

Just like any other file.

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Dibblah:

/proc/mounts, that's also a real file.

[19:52:06]

juski:

lenswipe: basically whatever path your media lives on in your server, *export* that via NFS. Then mount that to the *same* path on every frontend

[19:52:25]

Dibblah:

It just isn't in a disk-backed filesystem.

[19:52:44]

kormoc:

RDV_Linux, why do you care where mtab is?

[19:52:47]

juski:

e.g. if your music lives in /myth/music/ export that, then mount it to /myth/music on every frontend – then all systems will see the same files :)

[19:52:47]

Dagmar:

You'll pardon if I tell a newb it's not a real file, since it's autogenerated

[19:52:49]

lenswipe:

juski: but i dont know how to do that?

[19:52:56]

lenswipe:

juski: oh ok ill go google

[19:53:03]

juski:

lenswipe: I said man /etc/exports and man fstab

[19:53:05]

juski:

teah

[19:53:10]

coldpenguin:

RDV, the mtab is not necessarily correct at any given time. If you are writting something that needs to know the truth, use /proc/mounts, that is (to my knowledge) always correct

[19:53:11]

juski:

bleh. teach a guy to fish..

[19:53:12]

kormoc:

Tada!

[19:54:32]

Dagmar:

IIRC LFS used a symlink from /proc/mounts to /etc/mtab for awhile

[19:54:35]

juski:

lenswipe: it's not as hard as it sounds, but prolly not as easy as entering a protocol://host/path – then again you can't do that in mythtv – until such time as somebody implements it

[19:55:38]

lenswipe:

juski: hmm, thing is, i can stream from the mythbackend using an ipodtoutch with plugplayer

[19:55:51]

juski:

so?

[19:55:53]

lenswipe:

juski: so why doesnt it work with mythfrontend out of the box?

[19:56:08]

juski:

because none of the mythfrontend plugins are UPNP capable :D

[19:56:16]

lcase:

lenswipe: mythfrontend works not with upnp

[19:56:33]

lenswipe:

so why does mythbackend support upnp if mythfrontend doesnt?

[19:56:37]

lenswipe:

thats just crazy to me

[19:56:46]

superdug:

./configure --with-upnp

[19:56:47]

superdug:

?

[19:56:48]

juski:

BECAUSE. Nobody has written it to YET

[19:56:49]

kormoc:

lenswipe, because you haven't submittad a patch to do it

[19:57:09]

iamlindoro:

the backend supports sharing of the media recorded and stored there for use in non-myth frontends... sounds pretty sensible to me

[19:57:15]

juski:

people who contribute have er.. more pressing matters as their priorities

[19:57:32]

RDV_Linux:

kormoc: I need a method of telling whether MythVideo video files or graphics where mounted on an NFS mount. I wanted to prevent a situation where Jamu messed up when two or more backends used the same NFS directories to store their video and/or graphics files. I warn the user when these files are NFS mounted but allow an check override.

[19:57:42]

superdug:

wait a second ... if you guys don't provide upnp support STAT ... I'm asking for a refund

[19:57:55]

Dagmar:

Most of that is a non-problem

[19:57:57]

lenswipe:

juski: but what i cant understand is why you would code a upnp mediaserver then make a frontend that doesnt support upnp to me it just makes no sense...

[19:58:01]

** kormoc gives superdug his $0.00 back **

[19:58:03]

** iamlindoro transfers superdump to a retention expert **

[19:58:05]

** juski hands superdug $0, exactly what he paid **

[19:58:10]

superdug:

kormoc: no no no ... I want interest too

[19:58:19]

GreyFoxx:

lenswipe: upnp support came years after the FE

[19:58:20]

iamlindoro:

s/superdump/superdug/

[19:58:29]

lenswipe:

GreyFoxx: FE?

[19:58:31]

juski:

$0 * X months at 0.13% per month == $0.00 still

[19:58:32]

GreyFoxx:

Frontend

[19:58:36]

iamlindoro:

one of you needs a new nick... whichever isn't involved in an upstream set of libraries myth uses

[19:58:41]

lenswipe:

GreyFoxx: oh right i just figured it out before u said it :p

[19:58:55]

kormoc:

RDV_Linux, Aye, you'll want to use /proc/mounts then, or run mount -l and grep for it

[19:59:08]

superdug:

iamlindoro: I submitted useless.lib ... it doesn't do anything

[19:59:12]

GreyFoxx:

We might move more of the functionality to upnp at some point, but that's not in the near future

[19:59:15]

iamlindoro:

then you lose

[19:59:22]

juski:

or do you mean 'interest' like 'hype', which Boxee seems to have lots of

[19:59:23]

RDV_Linux:

komoc: Thanks

[19:59:46]

superdug:

boxee is the greatest app to do everything under the sun okay

[19:59:51]

juski:

myers

[19:59:57]

** iamlindoro tests the idle timeout setting... **

[19:59:59]

juski:

it does everything except work, here :)

[20:00:11]

superdug:

juski: it works fine, so long as you don't run it

[20:00:23]

juski:

I was gonna submit a bug report, then I realised I didn't care :)

[20:00:54]

superdug:

juski: I'd sorta like to know what their game is ... they're very obviously not going to be free/open source

[20:01:16]

juski:

world domination? that's where it's at

[20:01:27]

superdug:

and they have corporate funding ... but nothing to sell

[20:01:28]

iamlindoro:

That which is build on GPL code (most of it) must always be open source

[20:01:46]

juski:

haha! That's it! They send everything a user watches, filenames & all to a central server. So....

[20:02:01]

kormoc:

and then provide nelson style ratings!

[20:02:33]

juski:

you watch Heroes_s12_e09_Roxx3r5_HD-rip.1337.x264 & the feds knock your door down when they look at the stats

[20:02:36]

juski:

that's neat!

[20:02:59]

superdug:

hmmm

[20:03:10]

juski:

seems plausible to me

[20:03:17]

superdug:

so if I record something on television (OTA) and give it to my friend to watch ...

[20:03:20]

juski:

good revenue stream too

[20:03:33]

kormoc:

superdug, jail for you!

[20:03:36]

juski:

they get a cut of the suits

[20:03:37]

superdug:

did I just violate copyright?

[20:03:57]

iamlindoro:

yes

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juski:

superdug: hasn't been tested in court yet, specifically, but yeah

[20:04:34]

superdug:

but if I record it to the internets (a-la cablevision internet dvr) ... supreme court is a-ok with that

[20:04:48]

superdug:

so ... we just need mythonline.tv :-)

[20:05:15]

sphery:

superdug: only because cablevision promises that no one else can get access to the shows you recorded

[20:05:32]

superdug:

I can promise that as well

[20:05:33]

sphery:

superdug: /and/ that you can't decide to get access to recordings after they air

[20:05:42]

sphery:

you have to decide before it airs

[20:05:42]

kormoc:

superdug, but then you can't share with your friends...

[20:06:07]

superdug:

kormoc: ... not true ... everyone by default who joins automatically decides to record everything

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superdug:

:-)

[20:06:13]

superdug:

done

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kormoc:

superdug, they're not allowed to record shows they don't have access to

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kormoc:

superdug, it's not the same thing, so the same ruling won't apply

[20:06:45]

superdug:

kormoc: right, so we'll just grab Satellite and OTA

[20:06:45]

Dagmar:

juski: Oh by the way, on the subject of roundabouts... After talking to you and paying close attention to BBC, I have come to the conclusion that the one here can be summed up as "frelled"

[20:07:15]

kormoc:

superdug, and they have to have the same recording capabilities in their own house...

[20:07:20]

superdug:

if all I need is an antenna and your beaming it at me ... I can watch it

[20:07:27]

iamlindoro:

sphery, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6745

[20:07:30]

kormoc:

superdug, that's not quite true...

[20:07:36]

Spida:

can the hauppauge pvr500 be switched from ntsc to pal and vice versa?

[20:07:53]

sphery:

iamlindoro: it worked for you?

[20:07:58]

kormoc:

superdug, for example, it's criminal to intercept a open, unencrypted wifi connection that's not your own

[20:08:07]

iamlindoro:

sphery, yes

[20:08:21]

superdug:

kormoc: it'd be an interesting argument to make in court

[20:08:29]

Dagmar:

Spida: decent question, but I've no idea. Kinda thinking the odds are low but someone else is bound to know

[20:08:39]

sphery:

iamlindoro: cool... (I meant the setting, not the patch)

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sphery:

guess that "it does everything except work" was about boxee, not the setting

[20:09:12]

sphery:

nvm

[20:09:28]

iamlindoro:

wouldn't post the ticket if I hadn't tested it :)

[20:09:46]

sphery:

yeah, was going to ask what made it not work

[20:09:58]

kormoc:

Spida, I do not believe so, they're different tuner hardware

[20:10:05]

sphery:

anyway, guess I shouldn't half-read conversations while watching The Road to El Dorado

[20:10:22]

Dagmar:

Spida: You can trust kormoc to be right

[20:10:25]

sphery:

(which, BTW, I'm /very/ surprised didn't cause all sorts of religious groups to get all upset about)

[20:11:38]

Dagmar:

sphery: Could be worse

[20:11:45]

Dagmar:

They could have gotten in an meddled with the plot.

[20:11:47]

Dagmar:

Like Signs.

[20:12:16]

trumee:

guys, is it possible to grab listings from tvguide.co.uk

[20:12:26]

sphery:

Spida: TTBOMK, the /tuner/ can't be switched (requires separate hardware), but when using S-Video/Composite (i.e. an external tuner), you can change the encoder settings for the format

[20:12:36]

kormoc:

Signs, signs, everywhere are signs, blocking out the scenery, breaking my mind...

[20:12:54]

kormoc:

trumee, xmltv would know or not

[20:12:57]

sphery:

Dagmar: really, hadn't heard any backstory on Signs

[20:13:00]

sphery:

will have to read up

[20:13:15]

Dagmar:

sphery: It's when Mel Gibson lost his damn mind

[20:13:25]

juski:

s/mind/faith

[20:13:31]

Dagmar:

"The aliens are all God's plan"

[20:13:40]

kormoc:

s/lost/gained?

[20:13:43]

Dagmar:

Way to ruin a perfectly good scifi movie

[20:13:45]

Spida:

thanks

[20:14:03]

sphery:

s/good/acceptable/

[20:14:19]

juski:

well, it burned a hole in my pocket & filled time

[20:14:31]

juski:

I didn't ask for my money back at the end :)

[20:15:01]

juski:

and believe me, I *Have* asked for it back before

[20:15:06]

Dagmar:

sphery: Sorry, I'm a firm believer in the "pulp" school of scifi

[20:15:28]

juski:

isn't it all pulp? ;-)

[20:15:40]

Dagmar:

Nope. Some of it's actually high drama.

[20:15:56]

Dagmar:

There are _very_ few sci-fi or horror movies I've not seen

[20:16:02]

Dagmar:

...although I'm behind on the more recent horror stuff.

[20:20:07]

juski:

lordy. I actually had to look up the word 'frelled'

[20:20:51]

Dagmar:

Yeah it's a handy word tho

[20:21:10]

Dagmar:

...and no nitpicky-types to condemn you for "cussing"

[20:22:00]

juski:

I tend to only swear at work these days :)

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juski:

and I don't care who hears me call the damn DVRs we make a c***ing load of c**k b***ocks that don't f***ing work for bas**rd toffee

[20:25:27]

juski:

whoops. Well, I'm looking for another job anyway

[20:26:12]

iamlindoro:

now's your chance to escape the city you hate so?

[20:26:47]

kormoc:

escape from new york?

[20:27:06]

scopeuk:

now theres a title an dplot for a b movie if ever there was one

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dustybin:

juski: now is not a good time to look for another job

[20:27:32]

kormoc:

b is... high phrase :)

[20:27:35]

kormoc:

*prase

[20:27:56]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, You should probably keep your opinion to yourself

[20:27:58]

kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_New_York

[20:28:04]

** dustybin remembers how iamlindoro forced him back into work **

[20:28:08]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, occur to you that he has no choice, jackass?

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dustybin:

aye ok

[20:28:42]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: if it wasnt for you, i would still be unemployed :P

[20:29:16]

kormoc:

dustybin, I think you should pick up some extra shifts...

[20:29:38]

dustybin:

eeek no thanks

[20:29:47]

juski:

dustybin: if I don't have any choice, now IS a good time :)

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dustybin:

juski: i found my job by posting cold letters and it worked

[20:30:45]

coldpenguin:

[20:31:00]

kormoc:

juski, well, good luck with the search!

[20:31:49]

coldpenguin:

@janneg, still crashes on the recording I was keeping to test on. I am assuming that this patch is required for front-end only?? I will recompile with --profile (as debug didn't show fault on this recording) and submit back to the trac.

[20:33:04]

juski:

company I work for has been laying people off. HR seem amazed the ones who are 'staying' aren't more overjoyed

[20:34:15]

juski:

shoulda been an undertaker :-)

[20:35:17]

kormoc:

juski, it's never too late! Start with that boss you don't like... ;)

[20:37:02]

kormoc:

hrm

[20:37:08]

kormoc:

"Turn a blind eye"

[20:37:38]

kormoc:

Does that mean turn a blind eye towards it or turn a blind eye away from it? If the latter, then why turn a blind eye, it can't see anyway...

[20:37:59]

dustybin:

i bought the O'Reilly C++ pocket reference book, now i can read the mythtv source code :D

[20:38:18]

kormoc:

oh noes...

[20:39:05]

coldpenguin:

@dusty. I can read spanish. Doesn't mean I understand a word of it though

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[20:39:41]

** iamlindoro doesn't own any C++ books, but seems to have managed to get a few patches in ;) **

[20:39:48]

iamlindoro:

talk is cheap

[20:39:50]

dustybin:

if (GetLastError() != WIN

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kormoc:

there's two syntax errors in that single line...

[20:40:26]

dustybin:

"talk is cheap, show me the code" – Linus Torvalds

[20:40:40]

kormoc:

Woo, quotebot 1998....

[20:40:56]

iamlindoro:

quoting $randomBeirdedLinuxHippie doesn't get patches written either

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dustybin:

LOL

[20:41:02]

iamlindoro:

er beardeed

[20:41:04]

iamlindoro:

bearded

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juski:

well, come the revolution I'll be informing the FSF

[20:42:16]

juski:

and now, time for Top Gear :-)

[20:42:21]

iamlindoro:

vichy-jusk

[20:42:22]

** kormoc waves **

[20:42:22]

iamlindoro:

i

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mkrufky:

wow this hvr1800 issue is totally worse than i thought

[20:43:57]

kormoc:

ooh?

[20:44:06]

mkrufky:

i am gonna fix this today or else ill feel like i wasted yet another good weather day for nothing

[20:44:11]

iamlindoro:

heh

[20:44:22]

iamlindoro:

Lord knows many would appreciate it

[20:44:30]

sphery:

gotta have good weather to work on code?

[20:44:37]

mkrufky:

and i must say ... when i said u helped me to recover 750G of space, iamlindoro ... that was an understatement

[20:44:41]

sphery:

Oh, wasted a good weather day by working on code...

[20:44:44]

mkrufky:

this helped me to free up something like 3 TB

[20:44:49]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, Nice!!

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mkrufky:

(projected, once i finish auditing cutlists and transcoding)

[20:45:08]

gbee:

rm -rf / ?

[20:45:24]

mkrufky:

gbee: lossless transcode was broken on my machine — user error ;-)

[20:45:41]

gbee:

mkrufky: ah, heh

[20:45:45]

mkrufky:

the hvr1800 driver ... it OOPS's when i turn on debug

[20:45:55]

mkrufky:

lol, so debugging one thing at a time

[20:46:00]

mkrufky:

this should keep me busy all day

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gbee:

hmm, yeah I should be finishing up this patch I promised janneg

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kwtm:

Hi. How do I set mythtv to update the mythtv database automatically from time to time, instead of waiting for me to tell it? (I use Schedules Direct and Ubuntu 8.04)

[20:48:56]

Dagmar:

Pay attention to what you see in the frontend setup menus

[20:49:17]

Dagmar:

There's a bit in there that you just poke at and it'll have the backend run mythfilldatabase once a day on it's own

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->General

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iamlindoro:

many pages in

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Dagmar:

...which is WAY better than a cron job because the backend can take hints from SD about _when_ specifically to update, so that they don't have jillions of clients hitting them at exactly 4:20am

[20:49:51]

kwtm:

Dagmar: Is that the usual mythtv menu? I looked, but couldn't find it (but I know I've seen it somewhere before). Or is it the "mythtv-setup" program?

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lesshaste:

hi all

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Dagmar:

1. Yes, it's in the frontend menus

[20:50:09]

Dagmar:

2. It's normal to get lost in there.

[20:50:24]

lesshaste:

I want to set up a pvr type system for tv which is streamed over the net using get_iplayer for example

[20:50:26]

lesshaste:

is this possible?

[20:50:28]

Dagmar:

dealing with the setup menus in the frontend is a bit like wandering in the desert looking for God, but you get used to it

[20:50:40]

kwtm:

Also, is there a sort of tree-map of the menus? Sometimes the menus are in a rather unintuitive place and I can't remember where to find it. Ok, thanks Dagmar

[20:50:54]

Dagmar:

kwtm: Feel free to write one

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juski:

somebody did

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Dagmar:

The menus are definitely a mess, but like I said you get used to them

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juski:

! http://jmeyer.us/stats/ !

[20:52:38]

i_is_cat:

i just put a pvr150 in my backend and im trying to configure my cards, the 150 seems to be working ok but now my saa7134 card isnt working properly

[20:52:51]

juski:

http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/aut . . . p?show=a.png – menu tree :D

[20:52:57]

** juski waves at jams **

[20:53:17]

i_is_cat:

if i start tv or switch inputs on the saa7134 it works on the channel that its set on, but when i try to change the channel the screen goes black and then its just like white noise

[20:54:02]

i_is_cat:

anyone know whats goin on?

[20:54:16]

juski:

sounds broken

[20:54:31]

i_is_cat:

it was working just fine

[20:54:40]

juski:

things are, til they break :)

[20:54:41]

i_is_cat:

and it still works with tvtime

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jams:

this one is better http://www.mythvantage.com/e107_plugins/autog . . . g&full=1

[20:57:23]

i_is_cat:

:S

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gbee:

hang on, it's a frontend setting? FFS

[20:59:16]

gbee:

I'll buy a crate of beer for the person who moves all those _backend_ settings from the frontend to where they belong

[20:59:39]

juski:

oo might be something even *I* could do

[20:59:42]

juski:

:-)

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i_is_cat:

:S

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iamlindoro:

I'll move that setting to mythtv-setup if I can just have som autosized bottons :)

[21:00:05]

iamlindoro:

some, buttons

[21:00:07]

juski:

lol

[21:00:29]

** iamlindoro has just given up on ever seeing those **

[21:00:33]

juski:

I'll raise you UPNP file transfer

[21:01:12]

Arpman:

Can someone point me to a resource to help me troubleshoot my frontend connection problem other than the wiki? I have tried the wiki sugestions with no luck...?

[21:01:31]

juski:

iamlindoro: don't lose hope entirely. I've just not had enough hallucinogens to speak fluent c++ & mythui yet

[21:01:46]

iamlindoro:

juski, Let me amend-- I'd sure like to see it in time for .22

[21:02:02]

** kormoc sends lsd to juski **

[21:02:03]

iamlindoro:

so that I can get something going w/ the Graphite menus

[21:02:37]

juski:

it'd mean I'd be able to start up on 'concept' again too

[21:02:37]

i_is_cat:

so anyone know why my saa7134 would suddenly start giving me black screens and stuff? :(

[21:02:54]

i_is_cat:

if i pull it out and slap it around a bit will that fix my issue? :/

[21:03:04]

juski:

i_is_cat: worth a go :)

[21:03:13]

Dagmar:

Give it a nice spray with some saline solution

[21:03:39]

juski:

lethal injection for framegrabbers

[21:03:58]

Dagmar:

or you know, put raver lice to it's one useful purpose

[21:04:17]

i_is_cat:

ok its got to be a setting

[21:04:23]

coldpenguin:

arpman, the wiki, and the history of mythtv-users on gossamer threads are good places

[21:04:26]

i_is_cat:

cuz i just switched to channel 8 and it seems ok

[21:04:29]

coldpenguin:

what is the issue?

[21:04:34]

Dagmar:

Sprinkling a handful of finely cut pieces of metallized material will quieten it down right nice

[21:04:41]

i_is_cat:

but channel 42 doesnt

[21:05:02]

kormoc:

So it's the card's fault and not channel 42's?

[21:05:13]

i_is_cat:

the issue is i put a pvr150 in with my saa7134 and now my 7134 card is giving me black screens and white noise on certain channels

[21:05:17]

juski:

i_is_cat: wrong freq. table suddenly?

[21:05:33]

juski:

stop mythbackend, run mythtv-setup & check.

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darkdrgn2k3:

hey guys

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darkdrgn2k3:

how do i revert to an older revision number with svn

[21:05:58]

juski:

man svn

[21:06:20]

darkdrgn2k3:

juski: im trying .. man and google but cant seem to figure it out

[21:06:27]

darkdrgn2k3:

do i hve to use diff/

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kormoc:

darkdrgn2k3, svn up -r revision

[21:07:16]

darkdrgn2k3:

doh.. i was using -R

[21:07:31]

** darkdrgn2k3 feels dumb **

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Arpman:

thanks coldpenguin – I think I may have figured it out – I should slap myself for not having th ebackend running when I start the fontend...

[21:09:07]

Arpman:

now all I have to do is figure out how to install these plugins as FreeBSD has not "ported" them yet...

[21:11:00]

i_is_cat:

juski, that was the issue ty :)

[21:11:19]

juski:

i_is_cat: now worry about how that setting 'accidentally' got changed

[21:12:13]

iamlindoro:

Hrm, all these high quality icons mean rethinking the program guide if I ever get around to doing another theme

[21:12:14]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/icons.png

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Greek-Boy:

do most STB's give out HD through their co-axial rf? My STB's give out normal terstial RF...

[21:13:21]

juski:

ROFL @ Clarkson 'saving the world'

[21:13:42]

juski:

Greek-Boy: you won't get no HD over RF

[21:13:54]

juski:

it'll be good ole 480i :D

[21:14:35]

Greek-Boy:

juski: i see...

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Greek-Boy:

and I heard HD won't be possible as HD doesn't allow recording. That true?

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kormoc:

Greek-Boy, no

[21:15:06]

Dagmar:

Nope.

[21:15:10]

Dagmar:

Just requires more expensive equipment

[21:15:31]

Greek-Boy:

is there a card right now that will capture HD?

[21:15:38]

iamlindoro:

many

[21:15:40]

Dagmar:

Hauppauge HD-PVR.

[21:16:02]

Dagmar:

Not entirely usable in Myth *yet* but will be in enough time to make it the thing to get if money is just burning a hole in your pocket

[21:16:02]

iamlindoro:

There are more sources for HD material than capturing it from a set top box, too

[21:16:04]

mkrufky:

i think i fixed it

[21:16:07]

juski:

but they won't capture HD from a STB output. for that, as explained to you earlier you need a Hauppauge HD-PVR

[21:16:14]

mkrufky:

SHADOW_V : ping

[21:16:21]

mkrufky:

grr hes gone

[21:16:22]

gbee:

juski: I feel sorry for the guys who have to go back over that track on their hands and knees picking up every last fragment of glass least it puncture some tires

[21:16:33]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, He pops in and out, just pastebin so I can find it in the logs

[21:16:55]

Greek-Boy:

i see

[21:16:56]

juski:

gbee: that's what BAs are for :)

[21:17:02]

Greek-Boy:

what is the best remote blaster?

[21:17:04]

mkrufky:

it'll takle me a few minutes to clean this up, but i wanted to do the happy dance

[21:17:10]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, heh

[21:17:40]

Greek-Boy:

do I buy the same remote blaser for front-end and back-ends?

[21:18:52]

juski:

I should set to & rejig my HQ channel icons some day. in addition to everything else I wanna do

[21:19:06]

kormoc:

Greek-Boy, you need to read the executive overview of mythtv on the wiki

[21:19:28]

Greek-Boy:

ok

[21:19:30]

Greek-Boy:

will do

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iamlindoro:

juski, Took me an afternoon for 400 or so channels to get it "just right"

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mkrufky:

btw... i was wrong about it being an "IOCTL forwarding issue" .... its more of an "IOCTL handling issue" ... no IOCTLS were being handles at all !!! they were just being dropped to the floor

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mkrufky:

it was ONE missing line of code!!!

[21:21:32]

iamlindoro:

ouch

[21:22:36]

juski:

400 channels?!

[21:22:52]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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Greek-Boy:

another question. I noticed that schedules direct does not list which EPG's they stream. Does anyone know where such a list can be found?

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juski:

glad I only have 30 or so. sheesh

[21:23:18]

iamlindoro:

Greek-Boy, I think you might be misunderstanding something-- "which EPGs they stream" does not parse

[21:23:50]

iamlindoro:

SD purchases listings for pretty much every locale in the US and canada, which they format into a myth-compatible... erm... format

[21:23:56]

Greek-Boy:

Electronic Prgram Guides?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, I know that EPG means, I think you misunderstand what SD does ;)

[21:24:09]

Greek-Boy:

what schedule info do they stream?

[21:24:20]

Greek-Boy:

ok. can someone explain it?

[21:24:20]

iamlindoro:

There's no "streaming" of any kind

[21:24:25]

juski:

sign up for a trial account & find out

[21:24:37]

iamlindoro:

You get anything you could get from a TV guide or your cable company's DVR

[21:24:52]

iamlindoro:

title, subtitle, times, actors, plot, ratings, stars, etc. etc. etc.

[21:24:57]

Greek-Boy:

yeah but how do I know if they support my cable company in my country?

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iamlindoro:

repeat information, production into, etc.

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: to bad they dont have Digial Antenla's listing yet :(

[21:25:12]

iamlindoro:

Where are you, Greek-Boy ?

[21:25:28]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3, Huh? They do in the US

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dustybin:

juski: record Bear Grylls, Channel 4, Sat 7pm excellent

[21:26:12]

Greek-Boy:

iamlindoro: I am in East Africa

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wagnerrp:

gbee: they typically DONT hand clean those tracks

[21:26:21]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, then no, you cannot use SD

[21:26:24]

iamlindoro:

er Greek-Boy

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Greek-Boy:

iamlindoro: provider is Multichoice Africa known as DStv

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iamlindoro:

Greek-Boy, SD supports (currently) the US and Canada

[21:26:51]

Greek-Boy:

:-(

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wagnerrp:

at least on race tracks over here, they have a jet engine strapped sideways to a trailer, that they run along and blow the track clean

[21:26:52]

Greek-Boy:

ok

[21:27:33]

Greek-Boy:

if SD doesn't have it I wonder if there is another source

[21:27:37]

Greek-Boy:

XMLtv?

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: if SD doesnt have it, then you submit a ticket and tell them to get it

[21:28:05]

Dagmar:

For those doubting that, a jet engine is not as horrifying as you might think

[21:28:08]

darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: thye onyl have canda analog antenna listing :(

[21:28:16]

darkdrgn2k3:

at least as of few months ago when i checked

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Dagmar:

Someone brought one to the last PhreakNIC

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wagnerrp:

except... you dont live in the US/canada, so you cant use them

[21:28:28]

Dagmar:

Let me tell you... We have the BEST wake-up calls at that convention.

[21:28:46]

Dagmar:

9:30am sharp on Saturday morning, we fired it up in the parking lot and attempted to make S'mores

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Dagmar:

Jet engines suck at S'mores

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wagnerrp:

yeah... no one likes marshmellows soaked in unburnt kerosene

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Dagmar:

Well, it's more a matter of vaporization

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scopeuk:

dagmar power generation or aircraft :P

[21:29:47]

Dagmar:

It'll make 'em FAST but it's a lot like a bad microwave

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darkdrgn2k3:

Dagmar: lOl nice...

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Dagmar:

You get to kinda wave them through the heat cone and hope it doesn't come apart on the spot

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Dagmar:

The taste of kerosene adds an interesting tang tho. ;)

[21:30:45]

scopeuk:

hehe

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Dagmar:

People were definitely up and in the parking lot in no time flat

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darkdrgn2k3:

damm dam myth backend keeps crashing on me:( stupid trunk

[21:32:01]

iamlindoro:

stupid running trunk and not expecting it to crash and not fixing it oneself

[21:32:15]

darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: LOL ya.. well i was running trunk happily

[21:32:15]

** iamlindoro idly wonders if it's the bug he fixed yesterday **

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darkdrgn2k3:

then up upgraded :-S

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darkdrgn2k3:

dont think so....

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** darkdrgn2k3 svn ups **

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darkdrgn2k3:

wait

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darkdrgn2k3:

is thos normal

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darkdrgn2k3:

Jul 19 17:18:06 mythSRV kernel: ivtv0: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 2

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darkdrgn2k3:

(just before the crash)

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iamlindoro:

ivtv DMA timeout stuff means you hve capture card issues

[21:34:03]

darkdrgn2k3:

hmm wierd..

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darkdrgn2k3:

it was working fine few days ago..

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Dagmar:

Was this a _hard_ crash where the system just died, or did myth just die

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darkdrgn2k3:

no

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darkdrgn2k3:

mythbackend segfaulted

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darkdrgn2k3:

Jul 19 17:18:08 mythSRV kernel: mythbackend[8664]: segfault at 1e8 ip 00007fc583f8a30e sp 00007fc532bfc590 error .22.so.0.22.0[7fc583707000+aa9000]

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Dagmar:

Bugger

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i_is_cat:

ok so now the saa7134 card works but the pvr150 gives me a black screen with no sound... wtf?

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i_is_cat:

and then goes back to the menu

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Dagmar:

Test the cards individually *outside* MythTV

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Dagmar:

There's a possibility that you could have a misconfiguraiton in Myth

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iamlindoro:

Was mentioned to you yesterday to get a backtrace, nobody can help you without one

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iamlindoro:

and you don't get to complain about it if you don't do *something* to help solve the problem

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Dagmar:

Testing the cards with mplayer/xawtv/tvtime/etc will get you around that complication

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iamlindoro:

ahem, again, backtrace

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darkdrgn2k3:

yeh only thing i did was add some udev rules

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Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k3: Basically, your crash could have been Myth, it could have been ivtv, but there's still an equal chance it could have been hardware failure

[21:37:03]

Dagmar:

If it *keeps* doing it, you have an issue

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darkdrgn2k3:

KERNEL=="video[0–1]", SYSFS{vendor}=="0x4444", SYSFS{device}=="0x0016", SYMLINK+="pvr150"

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Dagmar:

Without a backtrace we don't know anything beyond that

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darkdrgn2k3:

just added that

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Dagmar:

So what

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Dagmar:

You added a symlink.

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i_is_cat:

i seem to be having some sort of issue with ivtv for the pvr150 i dont know why or how it was working a few mins ago..

[21:38:12]

Dagmar:

So long as the rule is correct and isn't breaking udev in half or something, it should be no different than if you'd gone in there and manually made the symlink

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Dagmar:

i_is_cat: Test them outside of myth

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i_is_cat:

when i get that black screen on myth and it goes back to the menu, dmesg has some ivtv msg about the vbi buffers full and its dropping data

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Dagmar:

Good for you. test them outside of myth

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i_is_cat:

Dagmar, i tried with tvtime, the saa7134 still works fine but the pvr150 says ivtv: invalid argument

[21:39:12]

Dagmar:

There's a possibility that there's a conflict between the drivers they're using

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Dagmar:

tvtime won't drive the pvr150 afaik

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darkdrgn2k3:

soo point me in a direction to backtrace..

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i_is_cat:

oh ok

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darkdrgn2k3:

nm

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i_is_cat:

should i be using one or two video sources for the two cards?

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Dagmar:

There's some CLI tools that come with the ivtv package that you can use to manually set the tuner params, and then you can do the /cat/videodevicewhatever > file.mpg thing

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Dagmar:

i_is_cat: Depends on if you have two sources

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Dagmar:

Don't try to do anything "clever" with them

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Dagmar:

Your best bet is to always be as explicit and straightfoward with the software as youc an

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i_is_cat:

clever?

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Dagmar:

If you have one "source" and it's your cable company, and one input is through an STB that lets you get premium channels decrypted, then you _basically do_ have two sources

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Dagmar:

Beyond that, if you have one source, only tell it about one source

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i_is_cat:

ya just one then

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Dagmar:

It just needs to know you have two cards, how to operate each of them, and your sources. Tying them together in mythtv-setup is pretty straighforward beyond that

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Dagmar:

There's a problem that crops up sometimes with different cards using the same chipset driver (which is possible here) that the damn thing will think they're both the same

[21:43:25]

Dagmar:

You *might* be seeing that

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darkdrgn2k3:

could those dma erros be because the card is not seated properly?

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i_is_cat:

well when i first popped the 150 in and ran the frontend the pvr150 was working fine but the saa7134 wasnt so since then i've tried deleting the cards and readding and such and now the saa7134 works and the 150 doesnt its weird.. and the 7134 was working i just had the wrong signal dealie

[21:43:47]

Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k3: Absolutely

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmm

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juski:

would you really just put a card in the slot & hope for the best like that though?

[21:44:09]

Dagmar:

Teh heating and cooling a machine goes through if you turn it off and on often can *also* unseat cards over time

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Dagmar:

That one screw that holds them in is there for a reason.

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juski:

heh

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darkdrgn2k3:

lol

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Greek-Boy:

is it a common practice for one to "mix" their rf signal coming out of their STB's and use one single tuner in mythtv to get all channels froma all STB's?

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Dagmar:

You laugh but I've seen people leave it out adn then SHIP a machine somewhere

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mkrufky:

hvr1800 fix is located here, hopefully somebody can confirm the fix soon... http://kernellabs.com/hg/~mkrufky/cx23885

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juski:

Dagmar: you mean it's not just to look mighty purdee?

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darkdrgn2k3:

Greek-Boy: you would need to be very carefull mixxing rf singlanls

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juski:

Greek-Boy: not if you want HD

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darkdrgn2k3:

Greek-Boy: you would iether filters to block certain frequencies from the opposeit soure

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Dagmar:

I have a better explanation

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darkdrgn2k3:

Greek-Boy: unless you are using a modulator that modulates only 1 channel frequency

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darkdrgn2k3:

but tahts all analog

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Dagmar:

Would you attempt to put three different albums through the same stereo at the same time and be able to tell what's going on?

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Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

Your tuners won't be able to either

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Greek-Boy:

juski: I thought you said HD wasn't possible over RF anyway

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juski:

I did

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Dagmar:

Part of the point of the circuitry is to both amplify the incredibly weak signal antennas/dishes pick up and to _cull out_ the frequencies it doesn't want ot hear

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juski:

rather – it IS possible, but not on your kind of budget

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Dagmar:

If you feed alien signals into a tuner along with the ones it wants, it makes it harder for the gear to cope

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darkdrgn2k3:

wird.. seems to be recording fine now :-S

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Greek-Boy:

the Hauppauge HD-PVR has component in? Is that true HD?

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Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

er yes

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darkdrgn2k3:

Greek-Boy: yes.. its COMPONENT HD

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Dagmar:

Need more caffiene. I thought you typed "composite" at first

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darkdrgn2k3:

1080i max

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juski:

analogue HD is still HD

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Dagmar:

Component cables are perfectly capable of HD

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Greek-Boy:

ok but not all STB's have component out :-(

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Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k3: In theory it could be higher, but the HD-PVR is the limiter, not the wires

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Greek-Boy:

my HD stb only has HDMI out :-(

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darkdrgn2k3:

Greek-Boy: get a HD Fury.. does HDMI to COMPONENT conversion

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darkdrgn2k3:

Greek-Boy: very hot product!!!!

[21:49:24]

darkdrgn2k3:

...while it works...

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Dagmar:

Greek-Boy: If you're in the US, there are some FCC regulations dictating that certain cable TV customer classes *must* be given an analog output option

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darkdrgn2k3:

Greek-Boy:see http://www.avfury.com/

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Greek-Boy:

Dagmar, my STB does have analog out. but not component, only composite

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wagnerrp:

its the 'AV Fury' now? not the 'HD Fury'?

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darkdrgn2k3:

oops..

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darkdrgn2k3:

dam sponsored links

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darkdrgn2k3:

http://www.hdfury.com/

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Greek-Boy:

darkdrgn2k3: My STB has just 1 HDMI output. Do I need an HDMI splitter to be able to watch it on my HD monitor and use it as a mythtv source?

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darkdrgn2k3:

Greek-Boy: or you can split the component output :)

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juski:

here's the catch. you cannae just split HDMI

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darkdrgn2k3:

and what juski said to.. but you can split componenet

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juski:

darkdrgn2k3: but not with no y-cable ;)

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Greek-Boy:

so y-cable is a big no no?

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darkdrgn2k3:

Greek-Boy: for HDMI it siply wont work

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juski:

for component it's no use either

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juski:

cos double-terminated video looks like ass

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k3: seriously, whats the difference between those two sites?

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darkdrgn2k3:

Greek-Boy: it woudl work.. just nto great.

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darkdrgn2k3:

wagnerrp: no idea.. i think one is hdfurry's clone

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juski:

not great? ass!

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Greek-Boy:

but i've seen HDMI splitters

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juski:

yeah powered ones

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juski:

$$$

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darkdrgn2k3:

wagnerrp: hd furry are 199 while av furrys are like 60

[21:54:45]

wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k3: the $60 unit on avfury is the old hdfury1, DVI --> RGB

[21:55:09]

darkdrgn2k3:

"495.00 $148.00"

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darkdrgn2k3:

vs the 199 one ..

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wagnerrp:

the hdfury2 is HDMI --> YPrPb for $200, avfury claims to have it for $148, but the image doesnt match the device

[21:55:36]

dodddummy:

we have mythtv on 2 of our 3 tvs. i was thinking about leaving the last one with just broadcast tv(no cable/dish tv here) but then i remembered i had an old xbox donated to me. i read up on modding it and that doesn't sound so bad. the question is does it make a decent mythtv frontend?

[21:55:56]

wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: you should not be directly using a STB currently in use by mythtv

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juski:

dodddummy: if you like ugly noisy boxes sure

[21:56:03]

wagnerrp:

mythtv wants dedicated hardware

[21:56:33]

dodddummy:

juski, i thought it was the 360 that was noisy. the classic is noisy, too?

[21:56:34]

wagnerrp:

dodddummy: the original xbox is very marginal hardware

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: Why? If I may ask..

[21:56:51]

wagnerrp:

its a 733MHz coppermine celeron

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juski:

dodddummy: quieter than the 360 doesn't make it quiet

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Greek-Boy:

its just a monitor

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wagnerrp:

it has enough power for standard definition content, probably not enough for standard definition h264

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dodddummy:

juski, i think we can live with the noise.

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: because mythtv expects to be able to use that STB whenever it wants

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wagnerrp:

it is not designed to be able to compete with you for access

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dodddummy:

wagnerrp, only need standard def. i think i'm a decade or so away from needing hi def. i'm whatever the opposite of an early adopter is.

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: I will not change the channel. I just want an HD output from that STB

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wagnerrp:

dodddummy: where do you live?

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dodddummy:

wagnerrp, in pendelton kentucky

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dodddummy:

wagnerrp, but i'm a transplant. lived in st louis missouri most of my life.

[21:59:25]

wagnerrp:

in the US, broadcast is all digital, and you will probably lose all your analog cable channels within 5 years

[21:59:47]

wagnerrp:

that means you either have to go digital, or resort to analog capture on STBs

[22:00:04]

wagnerrp:

if you go digital, you have no control over whether the content is standard definition or high definition

[22:00:18]

wagnerrp:

you get the content they send you, at the bitrate they send you

[22:00:38]

Dagmar:

QVC got moved to the digital network early here

[22:00:47]

Dagmar:

It's being given _about_ SD bandwidth, but like anyone cares

[22:00:54]

wagnerrp:

QVC... what a loss

[22:01:21]

dodddummy:

wagnerrp, maybe i should rephrase that. i'm as far away from digital as when the digital stuff starts hitting the curb during spring cleaning or the local thrifstores.

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wagnerrp:

dodddummy: the problem is that analog only equipment is no longer sold over here, and has not been for several years

[22:02:25]

wagnerrp:

and the equipment that is in existent is probably going to start dying here within a few years

[22:02:31]

Greek-Boy:

anybody know of a really small form factor PC to use for front-ends that is also powerful enough to decode H264 HD?

[22:02:50]

juski:

ah the mythical perfect frontend

[22:02:59]

dodddummy:

wagnerrp, perhaps.

[22:03:10]

wagnerrp:

on a side note, i happen to be about 45min north of you

[22:03:13]

sphery:

The perfect mythfrontend is the one in the other room (with cables run through/around walls)

[22:03:21]

sphery:

Greek-Boy: ^^^

[22:03:34]

darkdrgn2k3:

Greek-Boy: popconre

[22:03:44]

darkdrgn2k3:

Greek-Boy: but its not a mythfront end

[22:03:59]

dodddummy:

well that's a resounding enough endorsement for me to go through with the xbox mod.

[22:04:27]

wagnerrp:

the xbox *should* work for any recorded standard definition content

[22:04:36]

dodddummy:

sphery, that's how 2 of ours are set up.

[22:04:54]

Dagmar:

It can't just play video over the network anyway?

[22:05:03]

dodddummy:

wagnerrp, and live tv?

[22:05:06]

sphery:

yeah, it's nice because then your frontend can be big/ugly/loud and it doesn't matter

[22:05:07]

Dagmar:

I guess I got lucky with my PS3 (although it takes a bit of transcoding)

[22:05:19]

wagnerrp:

it will be a bit lacking in power for standard definition h264/vc1, if you use that for DVDrips and such

[22:05:43]

wagnerrp:

dodddummy: livetv is nothing more than a recording, with a bit of extra code glue for changing channels

[22:06:02]

dodddummy:

wagnerrp, sounds perfect.

[22:06:39]

juski:

nah, livetv is much more than a recording. it's a *time* *vammpire*

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wagnerrp:

dodddummy: the other issue with a modded xbox is that it only has 32MB of memory (or 64MB?) and mythfrontend shouldnt really be run on less than 256MB of memory

[22:07:37]

gbee:

is itunes pretty much the only source for audio in mp4 containers? Or does anyone happen to have a handy link to the mpeg4 metadata standard fieldnames?

[22:07:50]

wagnerrp:

you can strip down the system, and use a light theme, but youre going to be hurting anything less than 192

[22:07:57]

wagnerrp:

an xbox is going to be swapping horribly

[22:12:12]

dodddummy:

wagnerrp, i think i'm going to give xbmx with mythtv a go on it and see how it goes. worse comes to worse and this 3rd tv will have whatever comes in through the antenna

[22:15:09]

dodddummy:

it's more of an exercise in proving to my wife the $5 'donation fee' i spent on it wasn't wasted.

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darkdrgn2k3:

does mythvideo play blueray isoz

[22:18:06]

wagnerrp:

didnt you ask that yesterday?

[22:18:14]

iamlindoro:

no, nor does anything else in linux

[22:18:18]

darkdrgn2k3:

never got an answer LOL

[22:18:26]

i_is_cat:

ok so i got both tuners to display in mythtv now but the pvr150 has a garbled picture for the top 5/6's of the screen

[22:18:27]

darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: even unencrypted..

[22:18:32]

i_is_cat:

and no sound

[22:18:32]

iamlindoro:

nope

[22:18:39]

iamlindoro:

you can rip the movie files and play those

[22:18:47]

iamlindoro:

but not ISOs, not menus, not decryption, nothin

[22:18:55]

darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: really? wow.... good to know

[22:19:16]

iamlindoro:

Of course, you *could* have just searched "blu-ray" on the wiki

[22:19:21]

iamlindoro:

but why do that when you have slaves

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i_is_cat:

any particular reason the tv would show up weird and slanted diagonally on the pvr150?

[22:31:31]

i_is_cat:

dmesg says cx25840 2–0044: 48x32 is not a valid size!

[22:31:57]

kormoc:

you're missing a 0 on each of your rreses

[22:32:01]

iamlindoro:

sounds like broken recording profiles

[22:32:06]

sphery:

i_is_cat: did you set your recording profile to use 720x480 (for NTSC) or 720x576 (for PAL)?

[22:32:57]

i_is_cat:

uh well i left it the way it was for the saa7134 i guess i should check..

[22:33:47]

sphery:

I think it defaults to 640x480(576), but PVR-x50's like 720x480(576) better

[22:34:09]

i_is_cat:

it seems to be 720x480 for the pvr150

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i_is_cat:

the menu under the pvr150 is a lot more clear than the 7134card but the actual tv picture is all garbled

[22:40:29]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[22:40:32]

kormoc:

menu?

[22:40:48]

sphery:

OSD?

[22:41:03]

iamlindoro:

"When taking Ambien CR, don't operate heavy machinery. Sleepwalking, and eating or driving, as well as memory loss for the event, and abnormal behaviors such as being more outgoing or aggressive than normal, confusion, agitation, and hallucinations may occur. Allergic reactions such as such as shortness of breath, swelling of the tongue or throat may occur, and in rare cases may be fatal."

[22:41:05]

iamlindoro:

:O

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Greek-Boy:

has anyone here used multiple Hauppauge HD-PVR's connected to the same back end? If yes how many?

[22:50:01]

iamlindoro:

Yes, people have, and at least three-- There's no reason more wouldn't be possible, but bear in mind that any machine playing back the content recorded will need to be quite powerful

[22:50:45]

gbee:

external power supply?

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gbee:

actually I guess there must be

[22:51:03]

iamlindoro:

yep

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Greek-Boy:

iamlindoro: I am using a quad-core

[22:54:23]

iamlindoro:

Greek-Boy, # of cores will not help you

[22:54:34]

iamlindoro:

as the content's decode cannot be multithreaded

[22:55:17]

gbee:

so lets get this straight, you may find yourself sleepwalking and driving the car with no recall of the event? When the cops pull you over and wake you up, you'll be aggressive and agitated, possibly hallucinating ... Not at all dangerous then ...

[22:55:35]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Exactly, was the most wild legal blurb I ever heard on TV

[22:56:02]

iamlindoro:

and once you confront the police they may appear to be three headed monsters, don't forget that part

[22:56:41]

gbee:

yeah well one extra head isn't so bad

[22:57:16]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: this is a good second: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HskNWgpT0m4

[22:58:27]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap, I like how they sneak them in amongst minor ones

[22:59:13]

** AndyCap wonders if people remember not to operate heavy machinery while sleepwalking **

[23:00:26]

Greek-Boy:

why do so many people still use coax? Even composite is better than coax right?

[23:00:57]

iamlindoro:

depends entirely on what you're transmitting

[23:01:17]

Greek-Boy:

capturing from STB

[23:01:36]

iamlindoro:

In that case most people (here) don't use coax for that

[23:01:52]

Greek-Boy:

i am looking for a multi-channel composite/s-video capture card/device...

[23:02:01]

Greek-Boy:

iamlindoro. what do they use? composite?

[23:02:34]

iamlindoro:

We advise that people who need to capture from a STB use S-video, unless they are attempting to capture HD, in which case the only option is the HD-PVR and component

[23:02:36]

GreyFoxx:

composite and svideo if they can

[23:03:26]

psm321:

pvr-500 can do 2 composite/s-video with a cheap add-on bracker

[23:04:49]

psm321:

*bracket

[23:05:43]

Greek-Boy:

i need to capture 4 STB's

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kormoc:

so get 4x pvr 150's or 2x 500's with add-on brackets?

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iamlindoro:

or 4x HD-PVr, or, or, or...

[23:08:14]

iamlindoro:

anyway, your use case isn't anything unusual, just read the wiki and docs and do it

[23:08:42]

Greek-Boy:

4 x HD-PVR, thats big money

[23:08:43]

Greek-Boy:

lol

[23:09:15]

iamlindoro:

Not close to the money it will cost to play content from them

[23:09:15]

psm321:

actually i think the 500 comes with the bracket but i'm not 100% sure

[23:10:14]

Greek-Boy:

can the HD-PVR capture component and s-video/composite as 2 seperate sources?

[23:10:41]

iamlindoro:

no

[23:10:42]

kormoc:

the hdpvr only captures component

[23:10:45]

iamlindoro:

it's a single capture device

[23:10:52]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, has S-video and composite too

[23:11:07]

iamlindoro:

but one capture at a time

[23:11:08]

kormoc:

ooh?!?!

[23:11:11]

iamlindoro:

yar

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kormoc:

Wow!

[23:11:23]

kormoc:

The wonders I will learn hopefully sometime next week!

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, http://www.hauppauge.com/pics/hd_pvr_small.jpg

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sid3windr:

hd over svid? :p

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iamlindoro:

no, SD over S-video

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sphery:

Schedules Direct over S-Video?

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iamlindoro:

!trout sphery obtuse

[23:14:44]

** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a obtuse trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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sphery:

Ah, this trout isn't even acute one

[23:15:43]

sphery:

Guess I won't name it George and pet it...

[23:16:01]

kormoc:

you pet your trout in public?!?!

[23:16:44]

iamlindoro:

you never wondered why his e-mail is pshery@FloridaStateMaximumSecurityPenitentiary.gov?

[23:16:48]

iamlindoro:

er sphery

[23:17:12]

sphery:

Yeah, I was expecting remarks about why I'd think any trout was cute, but I think the follow-up explanation only dug a deeper hold

[23:17:18]

sphery:

cute like a pet...

[23:19:32]

Greek-Boy:

iamlindoro: Why will it cost to play content from a the HD-PVR?

[23:19:43]

Greek-Boy:

u mean in terms of hardware processing

[23:19:53]

kormoc:

yes, it's quite cpu intensive

[23:19:55]

iamlindoro:

Yes, in terms of buying hardware capable of doing it

[23:21:23]

Greek-Boy:

ok i know u said its not multi-threaded

[23:21:30]

Greek-Boy:

but will by quad-core 2.2 do the job?

[23:21:34]

iamlindoro:

not even close

[23:21:54]

Greek-Boy:

:-(

[23:21:58]

iamlindoro:

you need about another Ghz

[23:22:32]

iamlindoro:

once .22 is out you will have the option of offloading decode to the GPU, so if you have a newish nVidia card, that will do most of the work for you, so that helps

[23:22:32]

wagnerrp:

a quad-core will do no more than a single core

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wagnerrp:

the power requirements drop to somewhere in the mid 2's with the skiploopfilter stuff dont they?

[23:23:37]

Greek-Boy:

when will .22 be out?

[23:23:47]

kormoc:

when it's done (tm)(r)

[23:23:56]

wagnerrp:

maybe within the next few months

[23:23:59]

Greek-Boy:

lol

[23:23:59]

wagnerrp:

probably by the end of the year

[23:24:12]

kormoc:

you may laugh, but it's quite true

[23:24:17]

Greek-Boy:

is there any other solution for me?

[23:24:22]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, The skiploopfilter stuff never significantly helped Hd-PVR when I played with it

[23:24:29]

iamlindoro:

Greek-Boy, There's no Hd-PVR support until .22 anyway

[23:24:40]

iamlindoro:

so you have to wait for .22 regardless

[23:25:58]

** iamlindoro watches "Hot Dog Paradise" on his HD-PVR... **

[23:25:59]

iamlindoro:

;)

[23:26:29]

Greek-Boy:

ok

[23:26:58]

Greek-Boy:

what about just multiple channel s-video/composite and audio capturing?

[23:27:24]

iamlindoro:

We have repeated suggestions to you for that like five times

[23:27:35]

iamlindoro:

if would be much more pleasant if it only took once

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iamlindoro:

"<kormoc> so get 4x pvr 150's or 2x 500's with add-on brackets?"

[23:27:57]

Greek-Boy:

yeah but u suggested the HP-PVR for that

[23:27:58]

iamlindoro:

"psm321> pvr-500 can do 2 composite/s-video with a cheap add-on bracker"

[23:28:04]

Greek-Boy:

ok

[23:28:10]

iamlindoro:

no, I offered 4x HD-PVR as *one* option

[23:28:17]

Greek-Boy:

my apologies

[23:28:18]

Greek-Boy:

you're right

[23:28:28]

Greek-Boy:

i was just kinda hoping for a usb solution

[23:28:36]

Greek-Boy:

as I have a SFF Dell studio box

[23:29:27]

wagnerrp:

use the studio box as a frontend

[23:29:36]

mkrufky:

the WinTV-PVR-USB2 is a standard def USB encoder

[23:29:41]

wagnerrp:

find an old beater PC, stick it in a closet, and use it as a backend

[23:29:45]

mkrufky:

(aka, pvrusb2)

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[23:30:02]

mkrufky:

i dont know if you can still buy those, but the newer versions work too — HVR1950 / HVR1900

[23:30:14]

Greek-Boy:

thank you

[23:30:16]

wagnerrp:

the encoders on them work too?

[23:30:19]

mkrufky:

yes

[23:30:31]

mkrufky:

encoders work, and digital works too

[23:30:49]

mkrufky:

and theres no crazy ioctl bugs

[23:30:49]

iamlindoro:

heh

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mkrufky:

i hate analog ... setting it up in myth is no fun either

[23:31:22]

iamlindoro:

I hate analog too

[23:31:24]

mkrufky:

i hope shadow shows up cuz i dont wanna wrestle with analog myth

[23:31:32]

iamlindoro:

HD-PVR is all that's left analog in my system :)

[23:31:46]

mkrufky:

i have a feeling theres another bug too ... input enumerations ....

[23:31:58]

mkrufky:

but channel change works now :-)

[23:32:13]

iamlindoro:

He'll be happy to hear, I think he's been riding stoth about it

[23:32:44]

mkrufky:

well i take back everything i said about steve being the one that will fix it the right way

[23:32:45]

mkrufky:

lol

[23:32:56]

mkrufky:

the quick & dirty wasnt quick, and wasnt dirty either

[23:33:04]

iamlindoro:

Eat up that glory

[23:33:05]

mkrufky:

wanna see? ur gonna laugh

[23:33:06]

mkrufky:

http://kernellabs.com/hg/~mkrufky/cx23885/rev/97dcd3e83001

[23:33:14]

iamlindoro:

HAHA

[23:33:23]

iamlindoro:

that's awesome

[23:33:28]

iamlindoro:

stoth owes you a beer

[23:33:30]

mkrufky:

yup... ioctls dont get handled when you dont have a handler

[23:34:22]

mkrufky:

there HAS to be more breakaga here tho ... i definately fixed the immediate issue, but if we managed to push this without noticing that 1 line of code missing, im sure there are other issues too

[23:34:37]

Greek-Boy:

luckily my dell studio came with a decent nvidia onboard card. When .22 is out I can offload the decoding to that. By that time I should have enough saved up to buy HD-PVR

[23:34:54]

iamlindoro:

Greek-Boy, What nvidia board?

[23:35:52]

Greek-Boy:

iamlindoro, not sure yet. I will check the specs and let u know. haven't even opened the machine yet.

[23:35:55]

Greek-Boy:

i just know its decent

[23:36:02]

Greek-Boy:

the machine also has HDMI output

[23:36:12]

iamlindoro:

Is it running linux?

[23:36:17]

Greek-Boy:

which I am assuming is part of the same onboard graphics controller

[23:36:21]

Greek-Boy:

not yet...

[23:36:27]

mkrufky:

survey says..... XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

[23:36:43]

iamlindoro:

Greek-Boy, So look at the device manager in windows

[23:36:43]

laga:

gentlemen, i'd like to point your attention to this mash-up of rick astley and nirvana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN75im_us4k

[23:37:28]

Greek-Boy:

iamlindoro: will do. will unpack it and play with it tomorrow.

[23:37:38]

mkrufky:

omg, this is just wrong

[23:38:00]

iamlindoro:

My ears!

[23:38:18]

laga:

i felt it was very important to show you this

[23:38:30]

iamlindoro:

What'd I do to you?

[23:38:33]

wagnerrp:

kirk cobain is rolling over in his grave... to reach his backup shotgun

[23:39:58]

mkrufky:

kurt

[23:40:08]

wagnerrp:

yeah, just noticed that

[23:40:44]

Greek-Boy:

can mythv act as an FTA receiver if u use a digital card?

[23:40:50]

wagnerrp:

yes

[23:41:09]

iamlindoro:

wiki.mythtv.org

[23:41:21]

iamlindoro:

If you have questions about myth's capabilities, that is where you should be starting with them

[23:41:23]

Greek-Boy:

that will save me from having to buy two nokia dreambox 500's :P

[23:41:39]

laga:

nokia doesn't make dreamboxen AFAIR

[23:42:41]

Greek-Boy:

laga: my bad, you're right

[23:44:04]

Greek-Boy:

iamlindoro: I was actually reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Connecting_Tuner_Card_To_Cable_Sat

[23:44:26]

iamlindoro:

ugh, "cable sat"

[23:44:40]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

[23:44:54]

Greek-Boy:

yeah I found that now

[23:44:56]

Greek-Boy:

:-)

[23:45:10]

Greek-Boy:

iamlindoro: Sorry for being such a pain :P

[23:45:35]

iamlindoro:

It's okay, just don't wear out your welcome before even starting to build a mythbox

[23:45:41]

iamlindoro:

you're going to need the goodwill

[23:47:44]

Greek-Boy:

ok

[23:47:47]

Greek-Boy:

i'll keep that in mind

[23:49:54]

Greek-Boy:

hmmm, now my mind is wondering if mythtv can do pay-tv or if it will be able to in the future. i'll search the wiki

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sphery:

Greek-Boy: you mean pay-per-view? Like the ones where you interactively select items from a menu on your STB?

[23:51:08]

sphery:

if so, not so well

[23:51:37]

Greek-Boy:

nah i mean like encrypted providers

[23:51:53]

Greek-Boy:

i mean if mythv can act as an STB

[23:52:43]

sphery:

If you're in the US, then no.

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iamlindoro:

He's in Africa

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sphery:

In some countries--where they have hardware CAM available--then yeah.

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Greek-Boy:

i c

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iamlindoro:

assuming that CAM is supported in linux/by your card, not all are

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Greek-Boy:

thats cool

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sphery:

ah, yeah, that's important, too :)

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Greek-Boy:

then i gotta take my cam to my provider for flashing?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

Your provider would give you the CAM, not the other way around

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Greek-Boy:

i c

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iamlindoro:

If the provider doesn't give you a CAM, then you will need to use their STB's and capture from them

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Greek-Boy:

i am sure i can get the cam

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Greek-Boy:

but i am wondering if there is a usb device for the cam

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laga:

there also are third-party CAMs, ie from mascom

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laga:

and they usually have licenses for the crypto stuff

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iamlindoro:

AFAIK none of the USB CIs work in linux

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iamlindoro:

only those built into a tuner card

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