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Monday, July 13th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

if you try to stream from the device before it's "settled" you can hang the hardware or backend

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iamlindoro:

and lets some people who have to have sleeps in their channel change script remove them

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iamlindoro:

so it has a secondary consequence of speeding up channel changes in those cases

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neoteny_2nd:

does the 'MOVE_N * 2' in lircmd.conf supposed to mean my mouse will move up if i press 2 on the remote(assuming things are setup correctly)?

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neoteny_2nd:

s/mouse/mouse cursor/

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, patch updated

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RDV_Linux:

Thanks.

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iamlindoro:

np, works really nicely here

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iamlindoro:

note that the search covers the *current* level only

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iamlindoro:

and not subdirectories

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iamlindoro:

So while it's not exactly "jump to this letter," it offers much of the same functionality

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RDV_Linux:

That seems to be what I at least am looking got.

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RDV_Linux:

s/got/for/

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iamlindoro:

ie I want to jump to "S," Ctrl-S, "star Wars," ok.

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, if around, see preceding conversation re: incremental search now included in #6346

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iamlindoro:

Which is really misnamed at this point, and is more "monolithic patch of new stuff for mythvideo"

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larzen:

Anyone here have an hauppauge hvr2250?

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tanderson:

larzen: I do

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, http://www.fecitfacta.com/incsearch.png

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larzen:

tanderson: – you do? do you have it working with myth?

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larzen:

i am having a hell of a time even getting a /dev/video0 driver!

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wagnerrp:

larzen: digital works just fine, there is no analog support

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iamlindoro:

the HVR-2250 has no analog support

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iamlindoro:

so you won't get an video#

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iamlindoro:

s/HVR-2250/HVR-2250 driver/

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larzen:

iamlindoro: im basically unclear as to their process for installtion

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larzen:

i followed their three steps

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Interesting more comments tomorrow as my machine is recording until 1:00AM or so.

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larzen:

rebooted..and the dmesg log snippet is not showing up =(

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, yeah, it's not strictly a "jump to this letter" but it'll do the job with a little thinking

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larzen:

ok. So I'm not picking up the digital either ;(

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iamlindoro:

modules don't load themselves, you still have to modprobe the requisite modules

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wagnerrp:

it should be in /dev/dvb/adaptor0 and adaptor1

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wagnerrp:

the drivers havent been merged into any kernel yet have they?

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larzen:

which modules should i probe/

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, no, not yet

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iamlindoro:

larzen, Whatever the name of the HVR-2250's module is

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wagnerrp:

are they in the v4l-dvb repository? or do you have to pull them separately?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, They are seperate

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larzen:

iamlindoro: – im not sure what it is. The instructions are terrible

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iamlindoro:

saa7164 or saa7164-dvb is my guess

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iamlindoro:

Probably because they expect you to know what you're doing if you're going to be messign with development code..

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larzen:

saa7146 18152 0

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larzen:

i loaded that module up...

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larzen:

but i think i need v4l and others too probably?

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wagnerrp:

thats a 46

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larzen:

ah!

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wagnerrp:

and all dependant modules should be loaded automatically

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larzen:

i think the driver is called "av7110" ?

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tanderson:

larzen: yep, working fine

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larzen:

also... saa7164.ko ? not found.

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larzen:

hmm. that one is also SAA7146 i guess

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tanderson:

You need to get the special v4l-dvb tree

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larzen:

tanderson: ahhh and I am not seeing this

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larzen:

tanderson: basically... I followed their instructions and typed in the make menuconfig

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tanderson:

What kernel version do you have?

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larzen:

but I guess I need to make sure my actual kernel configuration has some special things selected

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larzen:

2.6.29.4 (vanilla)

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tanderson:

You probably shouldn't have any v4l/dvb stuff turned on in the regular kernel tree

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larzen:

oh.. and i am not sure if it matters...its a 64-bit system

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tanderson:

probably doesn't matter if you can't even see the driver in Kconfig

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larzen:

tanderson: when you say Kconfig – you mean my actual kernel .... or the special one provided by the driver?

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tanderson:

the driver one

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larzen:

ok i turned off all v4l support in my actual kernel

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tanderson:

Did you get your special driver tree with an hg commend?

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larzen:

I did

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larzen:

I don't need to replace / copy this into my kernel's driver – do i ?

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tanderson:

ok....You need to go into that tree, type make menuconfig and go to Multimedia devices->Video Capture Adapters and make sure the option for NXP SAAA7164 is on

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larzen:

done

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larzen:

is that the only thing I need selected?

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tanderson:

Just leave everything selected, it'll cause fewer headaches

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tanderson:

Then exit out of there(saving the config too!) and do "make"

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larzen:

ok running make now

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larzen:

(i totally missed the NXC thing)

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larzen:

now.. I am up in canada – and even though we have digital cable and HD stuff... im not even sure how to get it

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larzen:

ok.. compile is done

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larzen:

now i take it... i run Make install

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tanderson:

yes

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larzen:

ok... modprobe saa7164 issued

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tanderson:

you should have some devices in /dev/dvb now

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larzen:

yep!

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tanderson:

cool

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larzen:

ok.. i have a few potentially dumb questions if you have few minutes =)

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larzen:

I am only used to my pvr-500 and its analog capability

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larzen:

we have digital cable here, but its issued by the cable company through a motorola box

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larzen:

we also have HD – but its the same thing .. motorola box

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larzen:

so my question is... what should i try next?

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larzen:

(that analog is not supported)

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tank-man:

whats wrong with your pvr500 ?

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tank-man:

is svideo in + ir blaster not good enough?

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larzen:

tank-man: the picture quality is do damn poor its unwatcheable

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iamlindoro:

Well you can't capture digital from a cable box

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larzen:

i havent tried svideo+irblaster

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iamlindoro:

so the only thing the HVR-2250 will do for you is let you plug straight into the wall and get whatever is unencrypted

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wagnerrp:

unless you consider firewire a form of capture

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iamlindoro:

(or whatever is Over the Air)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, But as a canadian, his firewire prospects are... poor.

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iamlindoro:

to put it mildly

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larzen:

iamlindoro:.. so with the pvr there was some ivtv utils that I used to tune the card and simply cat the signal to a file... is it possible to do with the hvr2250 ?

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GreyFoxx:

Unless he lives in NS. Then they are amost 100%

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larzen:

Alberta... no firewire here =(

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: on the plus side, he can download all he wants

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larzen:

wagnerrp: you can't ?

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GreyFoxx:

Here in NS we have Eastlink and they make sure to enable Firewire on all STB's for all channels you subscribe too

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tank-man:

says you

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larzen:

torrents are legal here

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iamlindoro:

larzen, There is no analog support on that card. So no.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, were not being taxed over here under the assumption we will all be pirates

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larzen:

iamlindoro: so is there an app to switch the channels on the card?

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wagnerrp:

torrents are perfectly legal here, but its usually the content that is not

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iamlindoro:

azap can be used once you have a channels.conf

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iamlindoro:

but better jsut to scan in myth and be done with it

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iamlindoro:

as it would take you half as much time to just set it up in myth

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iamlindoro:

plug the wall straight into the card, scan, and cross your fingers that your Canadian cable laws haven't screwed you

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larzen:

iamlindoro: otherwise the only option is the ir blaster and svido?

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larzen:

svideo

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iamlindoro:

larzen, Not with that card

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iamlindoro:

again, no analog support

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iamlindoro:

the *only* thing you can do with it is what I described above

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wagnerrp:

seems something with the coverfile is not string-safe

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, What are you seeing?

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wagnerrp:

coverfile handling that is

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wagnerrp:

entries like '0425112.fuzz' and '0162661.hollow'

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iamlindoro:

that's not myth

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wagnerrp:

it downloads them just fine, it just makes them no longer image files

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iamlindoro:

it's a TMDB problem

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wagnerrp:

yeah, probably tmdb

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall ever seeing it with the imdb grabber

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iamlindoro:

they have some jacked up problem that results in those issues on their side, think it's discussed a bit on their forums

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wagnerrp:

ah

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larzen:

ok.. any news on analog support ? from the forums i read its "tbd.." total open question

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iamlindoro:

The only person who has access to the information eeded to add analog support is stoth, and it's not the top of his list

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larzen:

so if.. I dont have clear signals... im basically SOL – card is a bit too advanced at this point

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larzen:

_or_ a windows box ... which is a total fail...

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iamlindoro:

The HVR-2250 is going to give you identical quality to the PVR-500 analogwise

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iamlindoro:

it's not an upgrade, it's a step sideways

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iamlindoro:

The only thing you bought in going from 500–2250 is the digital tuners, which is the only thing you can use right now

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larzen:

iamlindoro: i read there are problems with the pvr-500 (samsung tuner)

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iamlindoro:

those problems were fixed literally *years* ago

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iamlindoro:

like, 3+ at elast

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iamlindoro:

least

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larzen:

iamlindoro: hardware or software wise?

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iamlindoro:

they were driver issues, there's nothing wrong with the hardware

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larzen:

iamlindoro: basically.... I have an nvidia card (nvtv) dual analog tuner that sits in a winbox from 4+ years ago. it has a perfect signal... when I plug this one in,I see vertical lines, etc..

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larzen:

this (pvr-500)_

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tank-man:

so your problem is with windows and you are complaining here?

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iamlindoro:

sounds like configuration issues or a bum card, the PVR-500 is going to give near-identical analog output to the HVR-2250

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iamlindoro:

if you bought that card hoping for an improvement analogwise, you made the wrong choice

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iamlindoro:

If you want good and/or high def analog, buy an HD-PVR

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iamlindoro:

all the hardware encoders will give you more or less the same signal when properly configured

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larzen:

tank-man: no.. i have 3 cards right now: hvr-2250; pvr-500 and a dual nvtv

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larzen:

the pvr-500 is sitting in a linux box and gets really poor reception. I am thinking that there is something wrong with it, so I bought a hpvr-2250 to _replace_ it.

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iamlindoro:

so much analog, hurts my soul...

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tank-man:

did you try the pvr500 in the windows box?

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larzen:

tank-man: I did not

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larzen:

i suppose I could try it... see if it works

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larzen:

or if it produces the same shitty signal

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larzen:

er picture

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iamlindoro:

so much analog/let us burn the framegrabbers/then my soul can rest

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iamlindoro:

Yay Haiku!

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larzen:

here is a dumb question.. are there devices that convert standard analog to digital?

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larzen:

to a "clear" digital signal

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tank-man:

mpg files are digital

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tank-man:

1's and 0's

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iamlindoro:

think he's asking for something that takes an analog input and modulates QAM

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larzen:

yep exactly what iamlindoro said

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iamlindoro:

Which headend QAM modulators do not

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iamlindoro:

there might be some wacky outfit out there that makes a QAM modulator with analog ins, but that would be a very niche item

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iamlindoro:

and almost certainly many thousands of dollars

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larzen:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

http://www.copperbox.com/ZvPro-250-Profession . . . zvpro250.htm

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iamlindoro:

That would be a cheap POS

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larzen:

iamlindoro: so basically... you say the pvr-500 card is probably fine, but there may be a config issue with it

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iamlindoro:

But you could probably offer stoth the $3K instead and I bet he'd do analog capture for you

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iamlindoro:

larzen, It's either config or a busted card, yes

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larzen:

iamlindoro: analog support will probably eventually come...especially since the code for it is out there

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iamlindoro:

the code is not out there

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larzen:

you mean this uses a whole new chip architecture/interrupts etc.. ?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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larzen:

i was under the impression that the saa7164 is an upgrade of previous version

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iamlindoro:

you were/are mistaken

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iamlindoro:

not to mention that isn't the encoder chip

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iamlindoro:

it's a *totally* new chipset, for which certain people have datasheets, of which one wrote the digital support

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larzen:

i see

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iamlindoro:

he is not currently interested in writing analog support, but it will one day arrive

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iamlindoro:

one way or another

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larzen:

i understand

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cornell:

Does anyone know of a discussion of the various options in the playback profiles?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles ?

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cornell:

I've a new install of myth, on archlinux, on machines that had previously been used for myth. The slave records analog off of a PVR350. When I play it back, it's kinda sluggish, almost stuttering. When I play the same recording back on the master, it looks good. I think the problem is with the settings in the playback profile. I've tried matching them to the ones on the master, with slight improvement.

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wagnerrp:

anything made within the last 10 years should manage PVR350 encodes

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cornell:

Oh geez... thanks iamlindoro. I could complain about not being successful with google.

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larzen:

ok.. so I am going through the mythtv setup... and I dont see the hvr-2250 in the list ... in fact..card type etc.. is not showing that as an option. Video device is blank

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cornell:

But then... I'm never successful with google

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iamlindoro:

larzen, card type = DVB

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larzen:

iamlindoro: not in the list =( i think i need to add support for it into the compile

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cornell:

Question: if using a monitor and not a tv, is the PVR350 decoder useful?

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iamlindoro:

yes, you need to have dvb support compiled in

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iamlindoro:

cornell, the PVR-350 decoder isn't useful under any circumstances IMO

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cornell:

;-)

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iamlindoro:

It's true, no joke

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iamlindoro:

and definitely not with a monitor

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cornell:

Well, I'd understood that it was only for the TV out, which I don't use, so I wouldn't know.

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iamlindoro:

and that TV out is so limited and surpassed in just about every way by any modern GPU as to be useless

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larzen:

btw.. what is the difference between a 250 and a 350 ?

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iamlindoro:

differing levels of obsolescence

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iamlindoro:

both obsolete and inferior to the 150/500, but to varying extents

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iamlindoro:

with the 250 being the absolute bottom of the barrel

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tank-man:

yeay, thats what I have :P

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iamlindoro:

we still love you

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cornell:

My recollection, which has proven faulty in the past, was that I'd used cpu+. The only change I'd made, I think is the deinterlace is set to bob(x2)

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iamlindoro:

Everyone should be using slim

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wagnerrp:

cornell: what hardware are you trying to run this on?

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wagnerrp:

lowly VIA chips are about the only thing that should be struggling on SD mpeg2 content

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cornell:

Well, analog content... there are via chips, I don't know if that includes the graphics. The machine itself has 2G memory and an AMD 64 3500 cpu

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wagnerrp:

i mean VIA processors

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wagnerrp:

little embedded systems

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cornell:

The playback of SD from the master, on the slave is another story, it seems to letterbox vertically, that is the black bars are on the sides and the image is seriously squeezed.

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wagnerrp:

pillarboxed

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cornell:

Well, all I have is the cpu/mobo/PVR350

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cornell:

So the graphics are embedded.

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cornell:

pillarboxed? Learn something new everyday

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wagnerrp:

the slave machine that you are having trouble with is a 2.2GHz AMD?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, found an option for the incremental search to only match start of word, so now it is a true "jump to letter" if you hit a letter and then okay

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iamlindoro:

(patch updated)

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cornell:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

well then messing with playback profiles probably wont make any difference

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: You are on fire or just inspired.

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cornell:

By the way, somewhere in there I can specify the max cpus to use... does it help to say 2, does it break it if I use too high a number.

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wagnerrp:

make sure you have the proper video drivers installed, and Xv is supported by them

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, heh, more lack of reading the doxygen for the search box until it was too late :)

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cornell:

Really wagnerrpn?

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larzen:

iamlindoro: ok.. dvb support added; I ran the setup again and I selected the DVB DTV Capture card (v3.x) – is this correct?

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iamlindoro:

larzen, yes

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wagnerrp:

cornell: you have somewhere around 3–4x the CPU power needed to decode those recordings

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larzen:

iamlindoro: for "FrontendID: Coult not get card info..."

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iamlindoro:

larzen, means your user doesn't have permissions to the /dev/dvb devices, or they are open in another application

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cornell:

Ok... let me scamper off and study up on the proper video drivers, and Xv...

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wagnerrp:

do you have ssh access to the machine?

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cornell:

Yeah, I never figured it was lack of power, just figured it was doing it wrong.

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cornell:

Thanks much wagnerrp and iamlindoro, everybody

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iamlindoro:

np

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cornell:

Gotta head out... TTFN

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larzen:

ah ok. Just need to add the user to the video group

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larzen:

iamlindoro: so now.. what exactly do I want for a scan.. QAM-256 ?

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larzen:

i see many "encrypted channel.."

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larzen:

that means – cable box is required -right?

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iamlindoro:

yes, it means only the cable box can tune those channels

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iamlindoro:

and if you see them, then odds are you have chosen the correct modulation and frequency tables

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larzen:

is that what QAM-256 = modulation

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larzen:

or just the number of channels to scan?

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iamlindoro:

QAM 256 is next to the word modulation, sooooooooooo :)

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larzen:

iamlindoro: – quick question.. what about satellite receivers ?

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iamlindoro:

What about them?

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larzen:

as in... is this the kind of card I would use to scan sat channels too?

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iamlindoro:

no, but when it gets analog you could use it to capture SD output from the sat receiver

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iamlindoro:

just like your cable box

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clever:

http://hackaday.com/2008/09/13/cheap-usb-lcd/

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tank-man:

not really cheap

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clever:

its all relative

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tank-man:

relative to a full size 17" lcd

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clever:

and thats a year old article, the prices may have gone down even more

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larzen:

iamlindoro: there are a few "clear" channels...

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larzen:

the picture is absolutely outstanding

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wagnerrp:

yeah, for $50, i would rather just spend $75 and get a cheap full LCD

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wagnerrp:

but depending on your scenario, the small one may be more ideal

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wagnerrp:

like in a car

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wagnerrp:

or maybe connected to your frontend

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clever:

this unit also included a ir receiver

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clever:

and linux SDK

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clever:

yeah, frontend is what i was thinking of

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iamlindoro:

larzen, Since you're receiving exactly what the box gets from the headend, that is to be expected

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clever:

ir receiver and status display

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larzen:

iamlindoro: im plugged right into the wall

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larzen:

no box

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larzen:

now I am getting driver errors: saa7164_api_i2c_read() error, ret(2) = 0x32

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neoteny:

following old documentation is fun.

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larzen:

but altogether.. not bad

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iamlindoro:

larzen, I'm aware you're plugged into the wall

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iamlindoro:

it won't work otherwise

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iamlindoro:

look closer at what I wrote

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iamlindoro:

the QAM tuner is getting from the headend what the box would

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larzen:

this is a total ripoff. Shaw is making me buy a STB even though I don't need one! Fail =(

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larzen:

There has to be some law against this!

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tank-man:

what do you mean making you buy

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larzen:

If I want to HD.. i need to buy their box – even though i technically don't need it

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iamlindoro:

They have every right to protect the content-- we may not *like* it, but if you don't like theri practices you don't have to patronize them

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iamlindoro:

the old "vote with your wallet"

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larzen:

i have no other choice =)

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iamlindoro:

Sure you do

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larzen:

i wish we had multiple cable providers!

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larzen:

oh?

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iamlindoro:

Satellite, Over the air, or don't have TV

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iamlindoro:

all are valid options

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tank-man:

voting with your wallet sucks, cause some idiots have more voting power than you

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larzen:

Satellite wont work with hvr-2250 =() haha

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iamlindoro:

nobody *forces* you to buy television

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larzen:

ohh i know!

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larzen:

i have to take my hvr-2250 back.. i have no use for it here!

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iamlindoro:

so when you buy it, you are agreeing to the provision of service according to whatever terms they like

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larzen:

so the only option I have is pvr-500 /w ir blaster and STB

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larzen:

since I think they even disabled the serial

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neoteny_2nd:

yesterday my hauppauge remote was showing up in /dev/input/by-path/ now it's not, any idea why that would be? the remote seems to be working fine except for the fact i can't get it to generate mouse events.

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Chicago:

Hello, I want to fill a hard disk with recordings and give it to my friend to import into his new mythtv system. Does mythtv have a use case for this such that my friends mythcontrib database knows about these new recordings?

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jblack:

I could use something like that. Possibly

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iamlindoro:

No. And we don't permit discussion of charing recordings here either

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iamlindoro:

sharing

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wagnerrp:

if you are *cough* reinstalling, and starting on a fresh backend, there is a wiki page explaining how to migrate the recordings over to *cough* your new one

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tank-man:

in generic terms, you want to backup and restore :)

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iamlindoro:

There is no room for "wink wink nudge nudge" around here

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iamlindoro:

and I expect better from channel regulars

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tank-man:

but that is what goes on regardless of his intent. its a backup and a restore on a a new system

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iamlindoro:

given the stated intent, all support stops there

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tank-man:

yes

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iamlindoro:

therefore don't provide the answers

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iamlindoro:

if he wants to be a thief, he shouldn't get any answers here

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Chicago:

wagnerrp, Thank you for pointing out the backup and restore feature; iamlindoro, what gives you the authority to call me a thief?

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wagnerrp:

you dont have the right to distribute your recordings

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wagnerrp:

over the sneakernet or otherwise

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iamlindoro:

Chicago, *You* are the one who said you were going to give them to someone else, that's against channel rules, end of story

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jams:

just drop it and move on, this isn't worth any extended discussion.

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neoteny:

i don't know why i'm having so much trouble getting this to work: "The second daemon program called lircmd will connect to lircd and translate the decoded IR signals to mouse movements. You can e.g. configure X to use your remote control as an input device." reminds me of my winmodem days

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tank-man:

trying to use an ir remote as a mouse?

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neoteny:

tank-man, yeah

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tank-man:

good luck :) I havent done it before

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neoteny:

tank-man, doesn't appear i will either :)

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, jpabq: UPS Lost my HD-PVR on the way back... They *appear* to have found it now, but I won't find out until Friday at the earliest

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abqjp:

iamlindoro, bummer

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abqjp:

iamlindoro, in testing the patch to move the channel changer to it's own thread, I did manage to reproduce the problem that some people have reported. The HD-PVR is told to "encode", but does not generate any data on the USB. Any attempt to send the HD-PVR further commands (such as stop encode) fail. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to prevent that from happening, because I don't know what causes it.

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abqjp:

I am glad it does not happen for recording, only LiveTV

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, Another point for not using Live TV :)

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iamlindoro:

Odd, though

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abqjp:

My only idea on how to recover from it, would be to have Myth close the connection and re-open it, but I have a feeling even that might not work.

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abqjp:

Both times it happened to me, I had to reboot to get control back. That kinda indicates it may be a driver problem.

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iamlindoro:

yeah, sounds like it

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abqjp:

That channel change patch ended up being a LOT more involved than I expected. I have watched more LiveTV this weekend, than I have in the previous years of using Myth!

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abqjp:

I am not even sure why I bothered to finish it. I don't use LiveTV, and that patch may not even get committed. Does improve the LiveTV experience, though.

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iamlindoro:

yeah, It definitely appreciated (by some) that you did, though

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iamlindoro:

I imagine there are still a fair number of things that need ironing out in the driver, I'm sure that a lot will improve with Janne has some time to take a breath and look at it

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abqjp:

I don't blame Janne for not working more on the HD-PVR. Why should he? He does not even use it.

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iamlindoro:

To be clear, I wasn't laying blame :)

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iamlindoro:

Hopefully as more people get them, there will be more interest in improving the driver

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abqjp:

Yeah, just imagine the scene when 0.22 is released!

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, there'll be 10 TIMES as much bitching then! ;)

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abqjp:

As long as you can smile about it :-p

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iamlindoro:

I keep my improvements to myth squarely out of the recorder code :)

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iamlindoro:

(though do occasionally dip into the player as you know)

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abqjp:

Are you offering to have Graphite included in the 0.22 bundle?

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iamlindoro:

Haven't been asked

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iamlindoro:

And not willing to beg

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larzen:

Folks... those little microsoft USB blasters/capture devices that come with the hauppauge PVR cards.... are those supported?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, I'm not against it, but it does mean losing control of it and I'd ask for a coupe of favors if asked

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abqjp:

All you have to do is offer, and I bet it will happen. With 0.22 people are going to want to use the best MythUI themes, and wont want to have to hunt for it.

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abqjp:

iamlindoro, yeah, that is partly why gbee never allowed metallurgy to be bundled.

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iamlindoro:

namely a) a little help in getting the other painters to play nice with it, b) for any patches I make to it not to sit in trac for 6 months like most of my patches do

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abqjp:

Heh, you could always ask for commit access ;-)

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iamlindoro:

I could, but nobody gets that

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iamlindoro:

no matter how helpful, or how accurate their patches

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abqjp:

I personally would not accept commit access if it was offered. Too much responsibility.

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neoteny_2nd:

tank-man, turns out it's some sort of bug(i think). one fix is to put Option "AutoAddDevices" "off" in the serverlayout section of xorg.conf. the other is to do the lircm mouse in hal. which seems to be harder than i want to tackle without some sleep. but changing xorg.conf worked. not sure if this ubuntu specific or not but i'm running mytbuntu 9.04. here's the link in case anyone is interested. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=

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neoteny_2nd:

7283010

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neoteny_2nd:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7283010

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knowledgejunkie:

iamlindoro: only 6 months? that's expedited ;)

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iamlindoro:

knowledgejunkie, Heh, depending on what you compare it against, that's very true :)

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cobra-the-joker:

Hey there guys ...is there is a windows version for mythTv ?

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iamlindoro:

There is if you compile it yourself

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iamlindoro:

but it's not a *supported* version of myth

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iamlindoro:

meaning we will just look at you funny when it doesn't work, as it generally won't

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cobra-the-joker:

iamlindoro , compiling in windows sucks :D

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iamlindoro:

s/compiling in//

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neoteny_2nd:

it's hard enough to get working right in linux :)

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cobra-the-joker:

neoteny_2nd , yeah ...but fortunatly i found it in my distro's repos :D

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iamlindoro:

bah, packages

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iamlindoro:

can't do anything fun with binaries

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cobra-the-joker:

iamlindoro , compiling sucks ...dont you think ?

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iamlindoro:

not in the least

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cobra-the-joker:

really :D?

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iamlindoro:

My myth does way more than your myth does :)

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cobra-the-joker:

lol

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neoteny_2nd:

cobra-the-joker, not that. getting everything set up after it's installed. i asked for 2 days about getting my remote working as a mouse and all i got was a bunch of 'you can't do that with your old remote' and several man lircmd's. finally google found a link pointing to the solution.

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iamlindoro:

but I'm nice and share that "do more," all you have to do is add all my patches and compile

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cobra-the-joker:

dependency resolutions is the sucking part

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iamlindoro:

apt-get build-dep $packagname

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cobra-the-joker:

in packages ...you have every thing autmatick

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iamlindoro:

yum --arcanecommandline --moo-cow packagename

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iamlindoro:

pacman --foo-bar --inigo-montoya packagename

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cobra-the-joker:

iamlindoro , but if the package isnt supported ...you will have to do that yourself :D

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iamlindoro:

There is little that needs compiling that one can't easily get a dep list for

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iamlindoro:

myth included

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cobra-the-joker:

yes

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cobra-the-joker:

actually i havent beeen through compiling a lot but what i remember is that i must download all the dependecies ...as i didnt have the conection on the machine i was willing to install it on

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Lies

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cobra-the-joker:

Dagmar , you refering to me :D?

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tank-man:

deps are usually listed in the programs docs

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tank-man:

:)

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tank-man:

cobra-the-joker, which obscure distro are you using?

[04:25:58]

cobra-the-joker:

tank-man , proudly fedora 11 :D

[04:26:37]

tank-man:

proudly? then why the query about mythtv on windows?

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cobra-the-joker:

tank-man , i am having windows also

[04:27:36]

cobra-the-joker:

but i think i will get xbmc or something for windows

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mycosys:

gah – there was some1 else muckin with the win port o mythfrontend an i missed them

[04:31:17]

mycosys:

successfully compiled, running, but getting some nasty glitches on playback – seems like not enough CPU, but streaming recordings using VLC from mythweb is just fine

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cobra-the-joker:

iamlindoro , so you got a fix for that ?

[04:33:55]

mycosys:

hey cobra – am running mythfrontend on win32

[04:34:20]

cobra-the-joker:

mycosys , you compiled under windows ?

[04:35:03]

cobra-the-joker:

i just installed mythtv .....and i am having a little problem here ....the screen of the mythtv is larger than the screen i have ...so i cant see the buttons at the bottom of it ...any suggestions ?

[04:35:16]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[04:35:18]

Dagmar:

Read the docs.

[04:35:27]

Dagmar:

What you're seeing shoudln't be coming as a suprise.

[04:35:46]

cobra-the-joker:

Dagmar , where is these docs ?

[04:35:46]

mycosys:

install the right drivers for your video card dude

[04:36:05]

Dagmar:

If you're too lazy to do the basics yourself, it's a waste of my time to pay attention.

[04:36:27]

cobra-the-joker:

Dagmar , ok :d

[04:36:34]

mycosys:

!docs

[04:36:39]

cobra-the-joker:

sorry for wasting your time though

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mycosys:

cobra – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/

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cobra-the-joker:

ok

[04:38:10]

mycosys:

is ANYONE here insane enough to be running Mythfrontend on Win32?

[04:40:01]

cobra-the-joker:

mycosys , i may would turn insane and try that :D

[04:40:49]

mycosys:

doing so may turn you insane if you are not already :)

[04:41:04]

cobra-the-joker:

lol

[04:45:56]

cobra-the-joker:

mycosys , it tells me that it cant connect to the database !!

[04:46:16]

cobra-the-joker:

mythconverg is the database name i have

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mycosys:

what tells you that? w32 frontend?

[05:10:10]

wagnerrp:

mycosys: right now, the best option is samba shares, with mythrename.pl set up as a cron job

[05:10:53]

mycosys:

am fine playing already recorded and in progress files streaming form mythweb

[05:11:51]

wagnerrp:

playing from the file system seems easier than playing from a web browser... but whatever works for you...

[05:12:05]

mycosys:

that however doesnt give me a direct livetv frontend, nor as i understand it will anything else but mythfrontend atm

[05:12:14]

mycosys:

unless it speaks mythprotocol

[05:12:37]

mycosys:

but then – why re-invernt the wheel – why not just change the hub it attatches to so to speak

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wagnerrp:

i believe xmbc with mythbox will do livetv

[05:13:13]

wagnerrp:

but i know it is very limited in capacity

[05:13:38]

mycosys:

having spent 2 days compiling myth – would prefer to get the glitches out :)

[05:14:07]

mycosys:

works, controls the backend just fine – playback is – buggered

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wagnerrp:

youll probably have better luck with trunk than fixes, but youre likely to suffer much pain either way

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mycosys:

already at trunk head on both machines

[05:15:16]

mycosys:

lin box using mythbuntu-repos and win32 a build using the packager script (which needed a lot o help)

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mycosys:

cobra-the-joker: what is giving dbase errors?

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wagnerrp:

hes long gone

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cobra-the-joker:

mycosys , it just tells me that i cant login to the database

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wagnerrp:

oh, no... just came back

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mycosys:

what does – linux frontend?

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cobra-the-joker:

both

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cobra-the-joker:

backend and frontend

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wagnerrp:

have you set up mysql permissions?

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mycosys:

what distro?

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cobra-the-joker:

fedora 11

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mycosys:

mythdora or fedora?

[05:17:39]

cobra-the-joker:

i think i have mysql running great

[05:17:44]

cobra-the-joker:

fedora

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mycosys:

have you given mthtv-setup the correct root password and hostname for the mysql server?

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Dagmar:

This is why you should read the docs instead of just clicking on "install it" and assuming it'll work

[05:18:54]

wagnerrp:

!!!

[05:19:04]

wagnerrp:

why would you give mythtv-setup the root account?

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Overcompensating

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cobra-the-joker:

mycosys , how can i ?

[05:19:32]

mycosys:

on the mysql server

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Dagmar:

You know, the usual reason

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mycosys:

it does request it dude

[05:19:47]

Dagmar:

Nevermind what the docs say to do of course

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iamlindoro:

lack of knowledge about myth, mysql, and security in general?

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Dagmar:

mycosys: It requests this when, exactly?

[05:20:07]

iamlindoro:

Myth *never* requests that you use the myqsl root user

[05:20:09]

iamlindoro:

never ever

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mycosys:

ok – must be mistaken – remembered it asking :)

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iamlindoro:

never ever ever ever

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iamlindoro:

You need *a* mysql user, but definitely not the root user

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Dagmar:

...and astonishingly, the docs tell you everything you need to do to make that happen.

[05:21:06]

Dagmar:

Imagine that.

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: downloaded some weird version that threatens to take its ball and go home if it doesnt get the root password

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cobra-the-joker:

iamlindoro ...so i have to create a user for mysql first

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Probably has something to do with him using a win32 build

[05:21:33]

wagnerrp:

all in the documentation

[05:21:37]

iamlindoro:

if you follow the docs, it takes care of all of that for you...

[05:22:08]

cobra-the-joker:

Dagmar , i really cant find any topic for DB setup

[05:22:18]

Dagmar:

Then get some literacy

[05:22:19]

wagnerrp:

oh the irony... swine flu only kills fat people

[05:22:21]

Dagmar:

http://www.rif.org

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

[05:22:42]

iamlindoro:

That took me 10 seconds to find. 6 were spent loading mythtv.org

[05:23:01]

iamlindoro:

mythtv.org->Support->Documentation, GIANT LETTERS SAYING DATABASE

[05:23:06]

Dagmar:

To put it another way, you can read the docs and probably have it all working in 15–20 minutes...

[05:23:07]

Dagmar:

or...

[05:23:09]

iamlindoro:

(mysql, actually)

[05:23:29]

iamlindoro:

under which it says "setting up the database"

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Dagmar:

You can continue pestering people online by asking questions that are documented seven ways from sunday until everyone's sick of it and you get zero assistance when you hit an _actual_ problem.

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Dagmar:

OMG

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iamlindoro:

?

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iamlindoro:

Heh @ messages from 2005–2006 touting the new MythUI features of .19

[05:40:56]

iamlindoro:

Guess it's worth bearign in mind that MythUI is ticket 12

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mycosys:

is anybody else still having the dib0700 I2c issue? using jaunty/trunk

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** juski groans. Monday! **

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laga:

juski: monday is my day off. always. :)

[10:03:22]

juski:

very busy weekend. up til stupid o'clock waiting to be wife taxi, then it turned out I wasn't needed. At 3am. Up at 8am (thanks dog!), then out on an all-dayer. Got home at 5am or so yesterday. Housework, then took dog on a big walk in the park. I'm too old :)

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laga:

sounds like you slept well at night :)

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juski:

heh. Yeah I had about 8 or 9 hours' sleep. The whole weekend

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laga:

went to a party on friday, got to bed at 4am, slept in, studied, studied some more, now it's monday ;)

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juski:

I'm thinking I can take it easy & recover while I'm at work :)

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clever:

it seems like my network has lost the ability to commflag

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clever:

2009-07–13 07:46:18.029 commflag: Commercial Flagging Starting: American Dad recorded from channel 1141 at Mon Jul 13 03:25:00 2009

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clever:

2009-07–13 07:46:18.118 commflag: Commercial Flagging Finished: American Dad recorded from channel 1141 at Mon Jul 13 03:25:00 2009 (0 commercial break(s))

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clever:

it took less then 1 second to 'scan' the file and find 0 comercials

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neoteny:

clever, my system isn't flagging commercials, either. now that everything else seems to be working, that seems worth looking at.

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clever:

2009-07–13 07:50:30.901 commflag: Commercial Flagging Finished: Merlin "A Remedy to Cure All Ills" recorded from channel 1110 at Sun Jul 12 23:55:00 2009 (0 commercial break(s))

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clever:

it seems to be effecting all files

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clever:

it doesnt look like it just up and stoped working

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clever:

i can see some files with flagging data, mixed in(time wise) with the broken stuff

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k-man:

any idea if mythtv can play a quictime .mov stream?

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juski:

why not try it? ;-)

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k-man:

juski: because setting it up seems a little tricky – and if its not going to work i won't bother

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juski:

it'll depend on how well ffmpeg supported it when it was last synced in the version of mythtv you're using

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k-man:

juski: or can you think of a way to test it?

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juski:

FWIW treat it like .wmv – i.e. avoid if at all possible

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juski:

come to think.. that 'Apple Trailers' menu xml mangling script grabs .mov files & they reportedly work, even the 'HD' ones

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laga:

mythtv file.mov?

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laga:

not sure if myth handles streams at all

[12:00:08]

k-man:

but its a stream

[12:00:34]

juski:

you'd have to parse it yourself

[12:00:38]

k-man:

its a stream from here http://www.tvs.org.au/

[12:00:49]

laga:

just use mplayer?

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k-man:

no, i want to be able to record the stream much like a tv channel

[12:01:19]

k-man:

that station only transmits in analogue and i don;t have any analogue tuners

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juski:

sigh

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juski:

laga: how is a stream different to a file which is constantly growing in size?

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juski:

other than the fact it's not growing all the time...

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laga:

juski: http://? :)

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juski:

you could – I'm guessing, grab the stream & save it to a temp file, then play the file

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juski:

i.e. buffer it externally

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k-man:

juski: ok, ill try that

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juski:

ripping quicktime streams isn't hard

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juski:

though it might be if they've DRM'd em :P

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k-man:

ah, interesting, the .mov file redirects to rtsp://tvsqt.uws.edu.au/tvs.sdp

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juski:

myers

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juski:

heh. I always miss the fun in town: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7p-rKNUU74

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Dagmar:

Clearly, british zombies suck

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gbee:

no, those would be vampires

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gbee:

zombies gnaw

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^Willie^:

hi there :)

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juski:

looked too lively & self-aware to be decent zombies anyway IMHO

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Dagmar:

They definitely don't "amble" or "walk briskly"

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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juski:

no imagination, these young 'uns today

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** gbee consults the logs **

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Dagmar:

heh

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** mycosys braaaiiiiiiiiiinzzzzzzzzzzzzzz **

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^Willie^:

this is the list with tested/working dvb cards i hope ? -> http://mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Video_capture_cards

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gbee:

^Willie^: nah, ignore that, goto linuxtv.org and checkout their wikis (different wikis for different card types)

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Dagmar:

juski: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_NlT5rsLSw

[12:19:27]

Dagmar:

It's better when they have it in the middle of downtown, and don't really bother putting up any flyers to warn people at the site

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^Willie^:

gbee: hmmzz i wana look around for an nice dvb card with my needs but also not to expansive for dvb-c

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Dagmar:

...although clearly there's a number of hardcore brain-dead hillbillies even here

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k-man:

hmm... well i can't even work out how to get mplayer to dump the stream

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mycosys:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

[12:22:24]

^Willie^:

hmmzz guess there is no choice just use hauppauge like 2 years ago :(

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Dagmar:

Yeah it's a shame the one "choice" does exactly what it's supposed to

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^Willie^:

Dagmar: hmmzz what about twinhan.. thats not playtoy hardware :)

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Dagmar:

Uh huh

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^Willie^:

used twinhan for dvb-s dual Ci

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Dagmar:

'cept twinhan's selection basically blows

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^Willie^:

Dagmar: blows ?

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gbee:

Hauppauge cooperate with the creation of linux drivers, only other firm to do that is PCHDTV afaik (latter only produces linux drivers)

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Dagmar:

You either have a choice or you don't. Since twinhan is around, but you don't feel you've any choice, they must suck.

[12:27:13]

gbee:

there are other supported cards, but Hauppauge still remain the easiest choice

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^Willie^:

Dagmar: my question is what is supported by the kernel not what "YOU" think about an product..

[12:27:55]

Dagmar:

You're the one who thinks they suck apparently

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^Willie^:

Dagmar: i`m planning to build some media center like system running on linux but not want to be forced to hauppauge if there are more cards around with posible better specs like hardware decoding ..

[12:28:52]

Dagmar:

It's not a tuner's job to decompress the video for you

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^Willie^:

so like always i wana know more before i start spending money

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^Willie^:

if thats a strange question then i dunno but to me it is normal ..

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gbee:

^Willie^: no hardware decoding cards are supported with myth (aside from the old Hauppauge PVR-350 and even there, support may soon be dropped)

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juski:

smart move. Mister Noresearch generally ends up with a lemon that won't work in Linux :)

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^Willie^:

juski: indeed..

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gbee:

most people prefer the hardware decoding to be with the GPU

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^Willie^:

juski: so i research first ;)

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Dagmar:

No one's forcing you to use Hauppauge

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gbee:

which _is_ supported for Nvidia in the next release

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Dagmar:

gbee: Well, if the tuner did the decoding, it would be called a framegrabber. ;)

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^Willie^:

gbee: i do think about an dual tuner setup to be able recording tv and watch an other channel stuff like that.. i know i do need an alphacrypt cam module and have an smart card from my cable profider.. so what is left.. an card :)

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juski:

aww but then that'll mean that 'reelmagic' mpeg2 decoding card they've had for 15 years will be useless :P

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^Willie^:

juski: i still have an philips based tv/mpeg2 card :)

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Dagmar:

Uh oh

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^Willie^:

useless indeed

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Dagmar:

How many CAM cards do we have drivers for again?

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GreyFoxx:

the DXR3 could be made to work. It's just not worth the effort ... a second time that is :)

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Dagmar:

I was thinking the number was small.

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psm321:

gbee: pchdtv has windows drivers now (tho they may be third party prodcued, i dont know, but theyre linked from the official site)

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^Willie^:

gbee: do you have any advice for an good working dvb-c card with ci support ?

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juski:

^Willie^: as you've already been told, check the linuxtv.org wiki!

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juski:

search their mailing list archives too

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^Willie^:

juski: and check all reported cards for ci support if none of the hauppauge card from my dealer has ci support ?

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juski:

plenty don't :(

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^Willie^:

then is it useless for my needs :)

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Dagmar:

The number of cards you can get to do that which are also supported by Linux is very small

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^Willie^:

i just pay for my tv signal .. so no hacky needed

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^Willie^:

thats why i did point to twinhan directly and skip hauppage

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juski:

hauppauge are pinning all their CI needs on a USB thing

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juski:

which AFAIK isn't supported in linux yet

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^Willie^:

or just install an pci pcmcia converter card for the cam and hope there are some drivers :(

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juski:

nope

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juski:

it's not actually PCMCIA – the only thing CI has in common is the connector

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juski:

best case if you put a CI/CAM in a PCMCIA slot, it just won't work. Worst case, you'll fry it

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Dagmar:

They're not electrically compatible

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Dagmar:

So good luck with that

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^Willie^:

argh

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^Willie^:

ok simpler question..

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juski:

ruh? seems I was talking out of my ass. CI/CAM can actually be PCMCIA

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Dagmar:

You can get card reader that's pcmcia, yeah

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^Willie^:

i need this cam to watch dvb-t from my cable profider -> http://www.satshop.tv/en/CAMs/Alphacrypt-CAM::155.html

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Dagmar:

But the ones you stick into tuners are *not* pcmcia

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laga:

they look like PCMCIA; but they're not

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juski:

dvb-t from your cable provider?

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^Willie^:

so what hardware is supported by the current linux kernel and support that cam

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^Willie^:

dvb-c

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juski:

PCMCIA form factor, in other words :)

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Dagmar:

Google might know

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^Willie^:

anyway only the cam will costh me 100 euro ..

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^Willie^:

so i hope to find an cheap card solution that will be cheaper as buying an samsung pvr

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juski:

^Willie^: tried in #linuxtv? oh wait they'll tell you to look at the ***LINUXTV.ORG WIKI***

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Dagmar:

juski: What's that drum head made of anyway? It seems pretty durable

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Dagmar:

Kinda quiet tho

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juski:

buy a 2nd hand dreambox with dvb-c & use it as a network recorder :P

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^Willie^:

if give some personal expirience knowledge is to mutch

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juski:

erm network tuner

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juski:

^Willie^: the amount of dvb-c users here can generally be counted on one hand

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^Willie^:

ok

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juski:

even on one finger

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juski:

if that!

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^Willie^:

explanes the reactions

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^Willie^:

:)

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^Willie^:

also new that a user pay for his tv signal i guess ?

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^Willie^:

dvb-s is free if you know how but i wana watch tv when it snows also

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juski:

so get a good dish

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^Willie^:

dvb-c has no snow issues :)

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juski:

pay a little more for a better LNB

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^Willie^:

living between lots of turkish folks and the know :)

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juski:

use good quality coax cable

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Dagmar:

Don't mention the p-word.

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Dagmar:

Don't even think it

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^Willie^:

one solution a bag to avoid snow between the lnb and dish

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juski:

GT85 ftw:)

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Dagmar:

Oil it up like a thai dancer?

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Dagmar:

Euw

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juski:

^Willie^: in the UK we have pay TV on cable & satellite too, but nobody makes CAMs available

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wombo:

Move somewhere warmer

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^Willie^:

juski: here you can buy every type cam module you want at the corner of the street

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^Willie^:

juski: even your own programming equipment

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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^Willie^:

for the cards and cams

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wombo:

where is that?

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juski:

until recently our cable company banned people using their own equipment

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juski:

now they don't say you can't use your own but they don't say you can either

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^Willie^:

juski: here the give 2 extra cards to all users for using there own dvb equipoment

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juski:

and the satellite provider – Sky- charge for extra viewing cards

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^Willie^:

and they support windowze solutions and i refuse to use windowze

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Dagmar:

You may be waiting for Netflix to start operating in EU then

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laga:

juski: if they don't say it's forbidden, i'd say go for it :)

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juski:

^Willie^: see http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-C_PCI_C . . . coding_Cards & look at the Technotrend

[12:50:02]

juski:

seen a few people mention success with those

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juski:

but don't take that as a personal recommendation

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Dagmar:

There's this other, utterly CRAZY thing some people do tho

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Dagmar:

They type words into an input box over on a site called "Google" and when they click sumbit, things RELATED to those words appear on the screen magically.

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laga:

Dagmar: wait, i need to google that

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laga:

on yahoo

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wombo:

I might Bing that

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laga:

wombo: don't let your girlfriend know

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Dagmar:

Cuz this whole time I've been sitting here pulling up page after page after page of people who've gotten what he wants working

[12:54:13]

Dagmar:

I'm not sure of the whole legality of it so I'm not recommending any of them

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Dagmar:

Some company or other has to have a patent or something in the way, just to be irritating or it would be more documented than what I'm seeing

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Dagmar:

^Willie^: Seriously man, hit up google with just the nouns you're interested in... "linux" "dvb-t" "cam" and so on

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Essobi:

Morning..

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^Willie^:

Dagmar: i did google before ask at this channel

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^Willie^:

only one firewire solution..

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inordkuo:

hi all i am running into compile errors for mythmusic in the last week or so running trunk.

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RDV_Linux:

abqjp: FYI: I am assuming you posted the tickets related to the hd-pvr. The update to #6611 and new #6719. I had synced up last night and had a clean compile without the forementioned patches. This morning I applied the updated and new patches and have a compile error with a totally fresh copy of trunk. http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1493599

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neoteny_2nd:

oh snap! adding the 'launch boxee' button to the mythtv menu means bye bye cable tv!!

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chekov:

hi, I have trouble getting dvb-s to work. mythtv won´t scan for channels in setup. my card works, I create an channels.conf with "scan -v -o zap /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Astra-19.2E > /etc/mythtv/channels.conf"... but when i try to import in myth-setup nothing happens.... on the shell in background there is an message "Failed to handle tune complete.". anyone have some hints please?

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FinnTux:

sphery, you around?

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FinnTux:

sphery, just read the backlog...

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chekov:

with mplayer on bash an the channellist i can watch tv by the way

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laga:

chekov: did you setup diseqc?

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FinnTux:

sphery, about frontend language selection

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chekov:

i don´t have diseqc

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sphery:

FinnTux: yeah, I'm here

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chekov:

arg!! wait a min!

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FinnTux:

here is what happens: I start mythfrontend with parameter -p. frontend starts and asks what language I wanna use. and only after that it shows me the backend selection screen

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laga:

FinnTux: that is by design.

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sphery:

right, -p is language and backend selection prompt

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laga:

FinnTux: in order to know the language, mythfrontend needs to connect tot eh database. and it can't connec tot the database before you select a backend

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sphery:

(we really should fix the --help output to say both are part of the prompt)

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FinnTux:

what I would like to happen is that I could select backend (in english or in my own language) and after that frontend would read the settings from selected backend

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laga:

FinnTux: i'm afraid you will have to patch the code for that

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FinnTux:

sphery, ok. it's not a big deal and I need to brush up my coding skills for that :)

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sphery:

really, though, you should only ever select the backend once

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sphery:

if you really are running multiple backends, you really need to configure your system better

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sphery:

i.e. have it so you have multiple HOME dirs (i.e. multiple separate users) each of whom has myth configured for a specific backend

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FinnTux:

actually no. I do know about slave/master backends

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sphery:

by "multiple backends" I meant multiple /master/ backends

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sphery:

multiple /separate/ MythTV systems

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sphery:

on a single network

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FinnTux:

but I'd still would like to have an easy way to log into different backends

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sphery:

though I have no reason why you'd do so

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FinnTux:

ie. main one and then some testing stuff (IPTV etc)

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sphery:

FinnTux: it /is/ easy

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sphery:

you connect /one/ time and create an appropriate config.xml

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FinnTux:

yes, after selecting the language :)

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sphery:

then, if you don't want multiple separate HOMEs

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inordkuo:

is anyone else having trouble compiling mythmusic on intrepid in trunk the past week or so?

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sphery:

you simply have a script "mythfrontend-backend_1" that does an ln -snf ~/.mythtv/config.xml-backend_1 ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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sphery:

and then starts myth

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sphery:

i.e. the backend selection need only be done one single time ever for any particular master backend

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sphery:

though really the multiple HOMEs is better

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FinnTux:

sphery, I already thought of that. I just need some kind of menu that I (and maybe my wife) use with a remote

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sphery:

because there are things in ~/.mythtv that differ between Myth systems

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jams:

isn't that what the -p flag is for ?

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chekov:

laga: i selected LNB single in the diseqc, but dont work

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jams:

maybe .21 doesn' have that

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FinnTux:

and since there actually is a backend selection system in frontend I wanted to know if it could work the way I described

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sphery:

Well, you'll have to write that. I'm not interested in doing it until I hear some compelling reason to run separate MythTV systems on the same network

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sphery:

jams: he doesn't want to select language first

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FinnTux:

-p works fine in .21

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sphery:

-p is language and backend selection

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inordkuo:

i looked through the tickets and didn't see anything about compiling mythmusic so it seems like it's just me but i figured i'd ask here just in case

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FinnTux:

what I'm asking is something like 'mythfrontend --language FI'

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FinnTux:

-O Language=FI didn't work

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sphery:

with -p, it /always/ asks for language

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sphery:

no way around it

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jams:

i see,what sphery describes would work. Or patch -p option to not popup language

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chekov:

is the format of my channel.conf correct? "Astra Vision:12551:v:0:22000:168:144:3997" i am not sure with the :

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sphery:

an override won't work, either

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sphery:

because you override it, then you have to select it, which overrides the override

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sphery:

still, why multiple separate systems?

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FinnTux:

anyways. thanks guys. I got what I wanted to know

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sphery:

myth is /much/ better able to get all the shows you want if it has access to all the tuners/inputs you own

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sphery:

that way, instead of your system having a conflict and your wife's system having 2 free inputs, you actually get your recording

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FinnTux:

sphery, kids have their own system (only selected channels) and I'm also testing IPTV recording and don't wanna mess with my main system

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FinnTux:

sphery, wife would do horrible things to me if we lost our recordings

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sphery:

well, ideally--instead of patching a hack into Myth ;)--you'd spend any dev time improving the parental controls feature in Myth

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sphery:

done properly, you could ensure that the kids can only access channels they should access

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sphery:

and have a single system

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sphery:

save the development/testing system--which shouldn't require a lot of fancy stuff

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sphery:

(i.e. easy-to-select stuff)

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sphery:

but, the best way to do it if you're stuck on multiple systems

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FinnTux:

sphery, I'm in no way 'stuck' with multiple systems

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sphery:

is to have multiple HOMEs/MYTHCONFDIRs (or a script, as mentioned above) and then use EXEC in the frontend menu to allow switching from parents->kids system

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FinnTux:

kids used to have slave backend and it worked ok

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sphery:

as for easy switch from kids->parents system, well, if it's too easy, the kids could just switch it...

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FinnTux:

no problem there. I just wanna do things this way

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sphery:

I'll leave security of kids->parents system switch to you

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sphery:

(though, really, it would also (will, when they get older?) require all sorts of other security as Myth has no security built in, not to mention the need for network/filesystem/... security)

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FinnTux:

yea

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FinnTux:

anyways, gotta run now. thanks

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sphery:

Or, if you're really motivated, feel free to add the user-/role-based security--search for multiuser on the list :)

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FinnTux:

all I wanted to know if I can somehow set default language without logging into backend :)

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chekov:

laga: I get the "Failed to handle tune complete" again. can i put my channel.conf into myth without scanning again?!

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sphery:

FinnTux: answer is no--use config.xml's to set the appropriate backend and then use scripts/something to allow switching

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jpabq:

RDV_Linux: thanks. Looks like daniel committed some channel scan changes. Should be an easy fix. I will clean it up tonight.

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RDV_Linux:

jpabq: np, I just wanted you to know.

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laga:

chekov: sorry, can't help with dvb-s. maybe the wiki knows something. or paste mythtv-setup logs in a pastebin and let someone in here look at it

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I tried your patch for the ctrl-s search and it works great. Thank you very much.

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chekov:

ok. thanks for help laga!

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: np, glad it works for you

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sphery:

iamlindoro: speaking of the patch, generally, the preferred approach is to create a new keybinding but /not/ add a default keylist to it unless the functionality is critical. That way, users who have already mapped that key sequence in a conflicting context won't have problems.

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sphery:

Unfortunately, it means that you have to tell users to map a key

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I made it consistent with all the other inceremental search (even duplicating the binding), all of which assign it by default

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sphery:

(and based on the "Help, I'm stuck on an input in LiveTV and I can't get out!" issue--where the easiest fix is to map a key, but no one does--most will do without.

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sphery:

so it's not a new binding, but just reacting to an existing binding in a new context?

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sphery:

if so, that's fine

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sphery:

(or, better than a new binding with a new default keylist, at least)

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: I have identified a few weaknesses with the incremental search in non-list views, but it's nothing in my code, and more that some of the search dialog stuf would need a little expanding

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: namely, if you "search" to a title w/ a colon in it and select it, it won't jump to it, and if you try to jump to a particular episode amongst many, it won't

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: But generally speaking, it works well

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: It does work well I never noticed that weekness. In my own scripts when matching say movie titles between file names and what TMDB or TBDB I force lowercase and strip all punctuation. That add greatly to positive matches.

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RDV_Linux:

s/TBDB/TVDB/

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iamlindoro:

The incremental search is a nice little feature, there are probably at least a few other places in myth that could use one, maybe I'll get around to adding them around

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sphery:

iamlindoro: OK, now I see that it's in plugins and Ctrl+S is never used in mythtv and INCSEARCH isn't, either, so it's definitely fine. Sorry for the noise.

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erhapp:

Hello, Is there somebody who can walk me through the LIRC configuration? Since I don't know the workings of Lirc it's quite hard to troubleshoot.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: :) I wasn't offended, just championing my new cause of "consistency" :)

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iamlindoro:

erhapp: I don't think you'll get any takers to be your personal guide to LIRC, but if you ask specific questions you may have some luck here

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sphery:

erhapp: You're unlikely to find any takers on an open-ended request like that... Better to explain what's failing when you try to configure/use LIRC and then ask specific questions.

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iamlindoro:

hh

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, consistency is good

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: My own video file collection is not huge but I add a zero length file (e.g. "Plant of the Apes (1968).mkv") for all of my DVDs. This makes my FE a video player and collection manager including all graphics and metadata. The total number of videometadta is well over 8,000. Thats when the power of your new search very useful.

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sphery:

heh, I'm slow at typing...

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erhapp:

The problem is that I don't actually know the inner workings of Lirc but let me try. When I connect my reciever I'm not seeing a /dev/lirc0 device

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Yeah, I know it will help with extremely large collections

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sphery:

erhapp: specifics on receiver--what kind, what LIRC driver, ...

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erhapp:

dmesg

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erhapp:

sorry

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wombo:

If you go back to the first of the 3 channels you have symultaniously asked on you may find an answer

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wombo:

*Spelling

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erhapp:

X10 Wireless Technology Inc USB Receiver

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laga:

bah, crossposting

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sphery:

erhapp: what driver...

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sphery:

erhapp: there's the lirc_atiusb driver, the /dev/input driver, the libusb driver, the ...

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sphery:

i.e. that's a remote with tons of drivers, all of which are configured /very/ differently

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sphery:

my money, however, goes on an misconfiguration where you're loading the kernel's keyboard driver for the remote, so LIRC can't use it

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sphery:

so you just need to get rid of the keyboard driver that's being used on your remote--which, believe it or not, is not a keyboard (despite kernel dev's insistence otherwise)

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gbee:

could also be a remote without a lirc driver

[16:32:26]

gbee:

or not a remote at all

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gbee:

but I see sphery actually googled, whereas I didn't ... it's probably the Ati remote ...

[16:34:30]

sphery:

actually, sphery uses an ATI Remote Wonder, so he got to learn far more than he wanted about that particular line of receivers/remotes and all the various drivers

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sphery:

I did Google, but it was >5yrs ago. :)

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laga:

i just clicked on the right entry in mythbuntu-control-centre. after adding support for it ;)

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sphery:

laga: that sounds like a /much/ better way

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sphery:

though if someone uses Ubuntu and adds Myth, they'll likely have to unconfigure the kernel's keyboard driver for it, right?

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gbee:

someone should port that stuff to myth

[16:37:38]

laga:

sphery: we used to blacklist it.. not sure if all that still works, because who needs stable APIs and whatnot

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gbee:

actually, can't see how that would work, ignore me

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** iamlindoro would like to see jams' card detection stuff moved into mythtv-setup :) **

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sphery:

laga: So, the packages that you put on vanilla Ubuntu blacklist? I figured only MythBuntu did.

[16:38:59]

laga:

sphery: these are the same packages.

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sphery:

yeah, just didn't realize the blacklisting was in the packages--figured it was in the distro config

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sphery:

kind of like (I'm assuming) the get-rid-of-Pulse thing

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gbee:

on the subject of mythbuntu, how do I prevent the update notification from focus stealing and popping up above the frontend window ... guessing the best approach involves uninstalling the ui component?

[16:42:45]

gbee:

why is it installed at all when it has that nasty habit?

[16:42:49]

meshe:

gbee: it should only pop up once and dissapear per boot

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wombo:

gbee, I have been having the same problem :(

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iamlindoro:

I have been seeing that as well, would like to prevent it also

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jams:

wow that would be at least once a day for my main setup. how annoying that would be

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gbee:

meshe: I have to fetch a keyboard to keep hiding it, doesn't matter that it happens once per boot, it's pretty annoying for a dedicated frontend

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iamlindoro:

did some work for a guy with 3x apple TVs with remote only, it needs to not come up

[16:44:19]

iamlindoro:

gbee: I had a theory on that, though, was thinking of commenting out the entire source.list

[16:44:31]

iamlindoro:

so it might pop up, but could never find updates and would go away

[16:45:38]

iamlindoro:

I tried uninstalling what purported to be the update manager package, that didn't work

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meshe:

System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications -> Uncheck or Remove "Update Notifier"

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iamlindoro:

doesn't work

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gbee:

glad to know I'm not alone, but that then begs the question – why hasn't it been fixed :) In mandriva I'd just uninstall or disable the gui bit of the update notification stuff, but I've no idea what the app is called in Ubuntu

[16:46:09]

iamlindoro:

still comes up here/there

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gbee:

I wouldn't mind keeping the terminal notification either

[16:46:34]

sphery:

I'm still wondering why gbee switched from Mandriva...

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kormoc:

DOPLEGANGER!

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sphery:

(not that I'm complaining, just always curious what people think about the various distros/why they choose the one they use)

[16:47:37]

sphery:

kormoc: well, at least the new gbee is starting to work on Myth, again, like the old one

[16:47:37]

laga:

gbee, iamlindoro: might want to file a bug report on that one then

[16:47:58]

sphery:

as long as he's as productive as the original gbee, it works for me :)

[16:47:59]

gbee:

sphery: had problems with that machine requiring a re-install, needed to get things up and running again fast so I figured that mythbuntu would be the best route

[16:48:06]

sphery:

ahhh

[16:48:18]

sphery:

I've been there...

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meshe:

maybe i'm not seeing the issue since I'm running mythbuntu 8.10

[16:48:43]

gbee:

since there isn't a dedicated mandriva-mythtv distro, the configuration, package selection etc would have taken longer

[16:48:47]

iamlindoro:

sphery just uses reinstalls as an excuse for not working on Myth ;)

[16:48:49]

sphery:

Used Ubuntu for a while on a laptop for that exact reason.

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wombo:

Im just asking Superm1, he's the Mythtv/Ubuntu guru

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sphery:

iamlindoro: the problem is that I've been making too many excuses for not working on the reinstall, so I haven't done much on either (and, really, need to start the reinstall over with lessons learned :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Well I don't even want the patches you promised any more :P

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iamlindoro:

;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I'm pretty sure I'll have them before MythTV 1.0 is ready.

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gbee:

normal desktop/laptop I'd have gone with mandriva, but for a frontend/backend a dedicated distro should supposedly cut down the install time by a couple of hours

[16:50:59]

sphery:

Actually, I just promise patches with no intentions of ever actually making them just to prevent people from working on changing stuff in Myth that I don't want changed...

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meshe:

lol

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sphery:

Did I tell you all that I'm working on a patch to add torrent support to Myth?

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wombo:

gbee, apparently there is an option to change ubuntu update to the old style from MCC

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gbee:

hmm, I'll have a look

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gbee:

don't see it, at least not in the version I'm running

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kormoc:

sphery, Really? Wow! I guess I don't have to write up a 55 page report on what torrents are and mail them to the mailing lists...

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sphery:

hehe

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kormoc:

gbee, I just gave up on killing that option

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wombo:

ahh it might only be in the PPA version

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sphery:

what? is kormoc using *buntu, now?

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kormoc:

sphery, work required it...

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** kormoc sighs **

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sphery:

the whole world is askew... gbee on *buntu, kormoc on *buntu...

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gbee:

sphery: invasion of the body snatchers, you're the only one left ;)

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kormoc:

My hate for it continues to grow...

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wombo:

Kormoc must be using Kubuntu

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gbee:

hate to admit it, but I'm also using Netbook Remix on my er, netbook

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kormoc:

wombo, nah, it's ubuntu with xfce-desktop installed, but none of the software is compiled with the mix of configure options I'm used to, so it all acts differently

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sphery:

if it were the remake (Body Snatchers), I guess that would make me Gabrielle Anwar...

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gbee:

but I don't see myself using it for any non-specialised purpose just yet, if Mandriva did a netbook friendly version I'd be all over it

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gbee:

BBC's carrying a tech piece about how some blackhats have discovered that it's possible to see what people are typing through the power lines

[17:02:58]

gbee:

kicker is that it affects PS/2 connect keyboards

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gbee:

connected

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gbee:

it's also limited to a 15m radius

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iamlindoro:

It's a scam perpetrated by the powerful USB keyboard lobby

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gbee:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8147534.stm

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jams:

oh man speaking of scams. I received an email yesterday with this subject: "United Nations Compensation Commission(UNCC) in affiliation with Barack Obama Campaign to Assist Scammed Individuals Through Intercontinental Bank Plc"

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laga:

rotfl

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gbee:

I received a sad email this morning from a rich Nigerian man who was dying of cancer :(

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iamlindoro:

Poor guy. Bet he just wanted to provide for his family and was willing to let you keep a small "holding fee?"

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gbee:

oop, Yemen not Nigeria, guess it's not a scam after all

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gbee:

iamlindoro: nah, he doesn't trust his family, he wants me to disperse his funds between several charities

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iamlindoro:

Hehe

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iamlindoro:

Yay Paulh

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cesman:

gbee: can I be a charity? ;)

[17:09:18]

iamlindoro:

"Speed up MythUIShape by only drawing the shape once and storing it in a MythImage. "

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wombo:

Hey I have a question for EIT data. I was thinking about adding some code that if the Subtitle was blank and the title included a semicolon it then split the string so the bit before the semicolon was the title and the bit after was the subtitle.

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wombo:

I think it would work well here in Aus

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XLV:

cesman, scam the scammers?

[17:10:30]

cesman:

XLV: I've heard of people that do, I however don't have that much free time

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gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/1493763

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iamlindoro:

wombo: Ewww, it defiled treatment

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RDV_Linux:

gbee and iamlindoro: In regards to the Update Notifier issue, have you tried from the Update Notify screen slicking Settings->Updates tab and then un-checking "Check for Updates". It would mean you would have to remember manually check for updates but it should stop any pop-ups as there would be no updates.

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iamlindoro:

er gorry, that wasn't for wombo :)

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XLV:

cesman, i guess something similar with dilbert's saying about idiots would apply

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wombo:

haha I was thinking about what that had to do with EIT :)

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wagnerrp:

gbee: who cares about that, when you can just grab the actual screen from a couple hundred yards away

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iamlindoro:

s/gorry/sorry/

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wombo:

Do you hate EIT that much :)

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iamlindoro:

wombo: Started to write to you then got distracted by something shiny :)

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gbee:

wagnerrp: can't grab passwords from the screen ;)

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iamlindoro:

wombo: Wondered if you were the one behind the discussion on the mailing list-- couldn't/wouldn't/shouldn't that be handled by the grabber?

[17:12:54]

iamlindoro:

wombo: as it would play havok with shows like Expedition: Africa or Mission: impossible, etc.

[17:13:03]

wombo:

nope that wasnt me, I just saw it in my listings

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gbee:

RDV_Linux: can't remember if I've tried that, but I will

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wombo:

hmm

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RDV_Linux:

I hope it works as it is a simple solution

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iamlindoro:

Pretty sure I tried, but can't test for sure until I get to the guy's house late this week

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wombo:

Do we get any information over EIT if it is a movie or not? From what I can see most of where it would help me is for TV series

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iamlindoro:

I know for a fact that I turned off the update notifier startup app

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gbee:

wombo: I think there is similar fixup behaviour for UK eit, but I don't know if it would work well for all countries

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wombo:

yeah just reading that bit in the source now

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iamlindoro:

oh, right, EIT, duh

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gbee:

I believe EIT offers some category info, but whether it's available in AUS ...

[17:38:01]

laga:

i guess i could schedule some recordings if i remembered my mythweb pass...

[17:41:04]

kormoc:

laga, mod_auth_externz allows you to auth with your pam information, very handy :)

[17:41:53]

laga:

kormoc: nifty ;)

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iamlindoro:

laga: the secret password is 1....2....3....4....5

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sphery:

Then when you accidentally type your password in here, we'll not only be able to access your MythWeb, but also be able to ssh in to your systems, too.

[17:48:48]

iamlindoro:

And triage tickets in trac

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** kormoc reports sphery to the DoHS **

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sphery:

now that I know kormoc's using it, I should get a few chances to break into his systems--he seems to post his password here quite often

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** kormoc sighs **

[17:49:14]

kormoc:

that's sadly true

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** kormoc changes his username **

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

You won't get away that easily, Carmack

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sphery:

Carmack puts his new username in a hermetically-sealed mayonnaise jar

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** kormoc laughs **

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laga:

i generate new passwords using pwgen for everything

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laga:

which is why i keep losing them

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** meshe laughs **

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iamlindoro:

The most secure password *is* the one you lose

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sphery:

I use mkpasswd.pl... Is pwgen better?

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meshe:

laga: keepass

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iamlindoro:

you keep your ass to yourself

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meshe:

iamlindoro: you should keep your mind out of the gutter :)

[17:52:42]

iamlindoro:

alas, it's firmly affixed to the gutter

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kormoc:

I use mkpasswd.russianHackingSite.ru

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iamlindoro:

years of misuse

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sphery:

(I also have a wrapper around mkpasswd.pl for making strong passwords in batch mode so I can have my system rotate passwords for accounts for which I want login capability, but don't want anyone--even me--to know the passwords.)

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kormoc:

all I get is 'OwnedByStalin' as a password tho :(

[17:53:07]

meshe:

http://keepass.info/

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iamlindoro:

you misspelled Pwn3d

[17:53:15]

meshe:

crossplatform password database

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iamlindoro:

Pwn3d3ySt4l1n

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meshe:

iamlindoro: got stuck in the grate?

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sphery:

now I'm thinking about that cool perl script in Poland...

[17:53:52]

iamlindoro:

meshe: indeed

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, that's so secure, that mix of letters *and* numbers! That's so awesome!

[17:53:59]

iamlindoro:

and now I kinda like it here

[17:54:21]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: You can use that one, no charge :)

[17:54:23]

meshe:

hehe

[17:54:54]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Just play along when "you" start committing mythvideo tickets

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** kormoc laughs **

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sphery:

wow... sourceforge is all different, now

[17:56:46]

sphery:

Ah, seems pwgen is a GUI thing. I'll stick with mkpasswd.pl

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laga:

no, pwgen is cli

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sphery:

oh, then seems there are too many programs called pwgen

[17:57:41]

sphery:

think I have the right one, now: http://pwgen.sourceforge.net/

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sgtpepper:

Hi everyone

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sgtpepper:

has anyone had the "Segmentation Fault" issue on Fedora 11 using the rpm fusion packages?

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iamlindoro:

How lucky we would be if there was only one "the" segfault :)

[18:03:06]

sgtpepper:

nice... any chance of debugging it?

[18:03:08]

kormoc:

sgtpepper, it's been reported as such, aye

[18:03:14]

kormoc:

sgtpepper, try strace?

[18:03:20]

sgtpepper:

I can get it

[18:03:22]

sgtpepper:

give me a sec

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sgtpepper:

pastebin?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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sgtpepper:

there go the last 300+ lines

[18:05:24]

sgtpepper:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1493804

[18:05:51]

sgtpepper:

this one is when running mythtv-setup

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sgtpepper:

I'm updating my system to latest packages just in case

[18:06:14]

sgtpepper:

I've read somewhere it may had to do with noveau

[18:06:32]

iamlindoro:

if that's so, have you tried the other theme painters?

[18:06:34]

sgtpepper:

the weird this is.. when I run mythfrontend -v all, mythfrontend starts

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sgtpepper:

I cannot start mythtv-setup now

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sphery:

sgtpepper: your OpenGL is broken

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sphery:

sgtpepper: bad drivers or (more likely) bad driver installation

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sgtpepper:

not even if I rm -rf .mythtv

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt

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sphery:

sgtpepper: can try ^^^

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sgtpepper:

let me try that

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sphery:

then go into Appearance and change Theme Painter to Qt

[18:07:34]

sphery:

or fix your video drivers

[18:08:06]

sphery:

might still fail, though, as you may be using OpenGL vsync or some other GL stuff...

[18:08:08]

sgtpepper:

that one worked

[18:08:32]

sgtpepper:

can that cause also that one I change a channel Live TV stops working?

[18:08:48]

sphery:

cool, then change your theme painter to Qt and don't take advantage of the OpenGL painter/effects or fix your video driver installation

[18:09:17]

sphery:

it's possible you may be using a playback profile that uses OpenGL

[18:09:56]

sphery:

my recommendation is to change your playback profile group to the default configuration of Slim and--once you fix your video driver installation and get OpenGL working--do /not/ change it back (use Slim for everything)

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sphery:

Or, if you're using a version of Myth with VDPAU support, it's quite possible that playback may break due to broken driver install

[18:11:45]

sgtpepper:

this is crazy... now mythtv-setup fails even with that switch

[18:12:55]

sphery:

export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT ; mythtv-setup

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sphery:

so, now I'm thinking you're not using VDPAU, as it's the ATI and Intel drivers that need that

[18:13:27]

sphery:

that = LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT

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sphery:

oh, wait... should probably do: export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 ; mythtv-setup

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sgtpepper:

deffinitely a libgl issue

[18:14:01]

sgtpepper:

look at dmesg

[18:14:16]

sgtpepper:

mythtv-setup[24578]: segfault at da38c0 ip 0000000000da38c0 sp 00007fff47b625b8 error 15

[18:14:16]

sgtpepper:

mythtv-setup[24588] general protection ip:3cbd822564 sp:7ffffff88690 error:0 in libGL.so.1.2[3cbd800000+6b000]

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sgtpepper:

mythtv-setup[24599]: segfault at 1080000008 ip 0000001080000008 sp 00007fff16237948 error 14 in ld-2.10.1.so[369d600000+1f000]

[18:14:16]

sgtpepper:

mythtv-setup[24643]: segfault at 1413294 ip 0000000001413294 sp 00007fffdb7e7288 error 15

[18:14:17]

sgtpepper:

mythtv-setup[24660]: segfault at 227f2b4 ip 000000000227f2b4 sp 00007fff6f543fe8 error 15

[18:14:19]

sgtpepper:

mythtv-setup[24670]: segfault at ffffffff38000000 ip ffffffff38000000 sp 00007fffcee93e08 error 14

[18:14:21]

sgtpepper:

mythtv-setup[24713]: segfault at 1000000010 ip 0000001000000010 sp 00007fff53a5d4f8 error 14 in ld-2.10.1.so[369d600000+1f000]

[18:14:24]

sgtpepper:

mythtv-setup[24726]: segfault at 30 ip 0000000000000030 sp 00007fff942d19c8 error 14 in mythtv-setup[400000+25000]

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wombo:

not here

[18:14:25]

sphery:

pastebin!!!

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sgtpepper:

mythtvsetup[24846] general protection ip:3cbd822564 sp:7fffdb3ceab0 error:0 in libGL.so.1.2[3cbd800000+6b000]

[18:14:30]

sgtpepper:

mythtvsetup[24857] general protection ip:3cbd822564 sp:7fffe8e80560 error:0 in libGL.so.1.2[3cbd800000+6b000]

[18:14:32]

wombo:

www.pastebin.com

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sgtpepper:

mythtv-setup[25145] general protection ip:3cbd822564 sp:7fff78436b10 error:0 in libGL.so.1.2[3cbd800000+6b000]

[18:14:35]

wombo:

noooooooo

[18:14:36]

sgtpepper:

mythtv-setup[25156] general protection ip:3cbd822564 sp:7fff1f03c710 error:0 in libGL.so.1.2[3cbd800000+6b000]

[18:14:38]

laga:

should get a bot for auto-kicing

[18:14:39]

sgtpepper:

mythtv-setup[25167]: segfault at 500000152 ip 0000000500000152 sp 00007ffff2163838 error 14 in ld-2.10.1.so[369d600000+1f000]

[18:14:40]

laga:

kicking*

[18:14:42]

sgtpepper:

[ncorrare@leela ~]$

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +b %*!*@190.55.23.251

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wagnerrp:

heh

[18:14:55]

** kormoc eyes sgtpepper **

[18:15:04]

kormoc:

sgtpepper, PM me when you're done flooding

[18:15:11]

wombo:

I think he had a segfault, now he has a fault up the bum

[18:15:49]

meshe:

just set flood control on the channel

[18:16:22]

sphery:

sgtpepper: also, note that you have to run mythfrontend with the -O ThemePainter=qt, then go into Appearance and change the Theme Painter to Qt to make it use the working painter for other invocations/apps

[18:16:28]

sphery:

such as mythtv-setup

[18:17:29]

gbee:

but file a bug against Fedora so it get fixed properly

[18:17:39]

kormoc:

meshe, I don't see a setting for that

[18:17:56]

meshe:

what irc server software are they running here?

[18:18:12]

meshe:

hmm, hyperion

[18:19:56]

** kormoc wonders if sgtpepper is going to PM him to get his voice back **

[18:20:39]

wombo:

I think he must have a 'lonely heart' now

[18:20:49]

wombo:

but at least he still has his band

[18:20:55]

sphery:

I'm guessing it was a one-time paste, but the server was throttling it, so it looked like he was continuing to flood

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meshe:

well, it looks like they dont' have flood control, wow

[18:22:39]

sgtpepper:

testing 123 ?

[18:22:40]

sgtpepper:

cool

[18:22:43]

sgtpepper:

+v

[18:23:17]

laga:

or he msged you but wasn't auth'ed

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sphery:

meshe: guess there weren't any plumbers working on this server software

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sgtpepper:

is there any theme repository?

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meshe:

the network I admin uses UnrealIRCD and it has great flood control: http://www.unrealircd.com/files/docs/unreal32 . . . re_antiflood

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kormoc:

meshe, go order the chanops to switch, and if they don't, tell them they don't understand OSS

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Mode for #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc : -b %*!*@77-97-118-205.cable.ubr21.live.blueyonder.co.uk

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sphery:

shouldn't there be some request for rewriting something in Python with that, too?

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kormoc:

likely

[18:25:33]

laga:

et ceterum censeo rewrite it in python? might make a good .sig

[18:27:08]

sphery:

Argggh! Why do people think channel number is used for channel identification in Myth?

[18:27:09]

iamlindoro:

sgtpepper: svn.mythtv.org houses the themes compatible with the current release (which will be incompatible with the forthcoming release, but that's neither here nor there)

[18:27:22]

iamlindoro:

sphery: hahaha, I predicted you would respond as such

[18:27:30]

** sphery writes yet /another/ message explaining channel numbers **

[18:28:06]

laga:

sphery: refer them to your previous message?

[18:28:33]

sphery:

don't think I have one with all the right stuff for this response.

[18:29:00]

meshe:

kormoc: yeah, i'll do that right now, since i know telling netops what to do is a great idea ;)

[18:29:17]

** kormoc grins **

[18:29:41]

meshe:

maybe i'll go for lunch instead

[18:29:43]

gnome42:

kormoc: Please, ban that blueyonder character quickly if he reappears with the same attitude. They make me regret contributing :(

[18:30:10]

iamlindoro:

Was that "rah"?

[18:30:17]

kormoc:

Yeah, I will, just hoping that it won't be a problem

[18:30:18]

kormoc:

aye

[18:30:22]

laga:

oh het got banned

[18:30:23]

gnome42:

yah I think so

[18:30:25]

laga:

nice

[18:30:27]

laga:

what for?

[18:30:27]

** kormoc is a softy **

[18:30:34]

iamlindoro:

laga: being a douchebag

[18:30:41]

kormoc:

laga, basically trolling

[18:30:50]

laga:

ah, nice

[18:30:57]

wombo:

being a nugget

[18:31:01]

iamlindoro:

Hehe, you can't get banned for being a jerk to people here, but talk bad about *myth* and you are OUT OF HERE

[18:31:11]

CGI463:

I just bit the bullet and bought one of these http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 400055791742 According to the the linuxtv.org wiki it should work. Anyone ever try this?

[18:31:18]

kormoc:

We were being used as a Study in 'The introduction of a negative element into a online community' he was doing

[18:31:50]

AndyCap:

kormoc: seriously?

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sphery:

and the worst part is just after he got banned, some guy named osirish appeared with the same attitude

[18:31:54]

gnome42:

serious downer

[18:32:04]

kormoc:

ooh, nice... I missed that

[18:32:31]

sphery:

strutting around here like some kind of god...

[18:32:46]

kormoc:

I'm the problem with the community after all

[18:33:02]

sphery:

no, I meant rah/osirish

[18:33:05]

iamlindoro:

I just wish you "got" open sources

[18:33:15]

iamlindoro:

source

[18:33:22]

kormoc:

AndyCap, he tried pulling some mumbo-jumbo like that after the first ban and then promised to be good, and then started right in again

[18:33:27]

sphery:

I get my open source from various FTP sites.

[18:33:32]

kormoc:

sphery, heh, he told me that I was the problem with the community :)

[18:33:33]

janneg:

iamlindoro: mythfrontend uses 100% cpu with graphite idling in the watch recordings screen (opengl painter)

[18:33:34]

sphery:

Guess kormoc doesn't have an FTP client

[18:33:36]

AndyCap:

kormoc: ok. :)

[18:33:40]

wagnerrp:

CGI463: you bought a card that looks like that? bracketless, swiped out of someone's OEM HTPC and all?

[18:33:53]

iamlindoro:

janneg: Well that's not good...

[18:33:54]

sphery:

kormoc: oh, yeah, forgot that quote

[18:34:18]

AndyCap:

kormoc: if not that should have been a case for whoever's responsible for research ethics at his institution.

[18:34:22]

AndyCap:

:)

[18:34:32]

sphery:

iamlindoro: on your supercomputer, is it only 50%? Maybe it just requires a nice quad-core OC'ed to 8GHz

[18:34:35]

iamlindoro:

janneg: Wonder if the alphapulse or flipbook animation might have anything to do with it, it's the only active stuff I can think of there

[18:35:06]

iamlindoro:

janneg: I'll track down which element is causing it tonight, I have a few guesses

[18:35:15]

CGI463:

help

[18:35:21]

CGI463:

woops

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janneg:

iamlindoro: no recording or job running so it's either the alphapulse or the negative offset

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CGI463:

wagnerrp: I bought the cheap VE value edition because there are no more analog over the air broadcasts and I want to set it up with over the air.

[18:36:58]

iamlindoro:

janneg: Yeah

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CGI463:

I meant to do "/help" up there.

[18:38:45]

CGI463:

msg wangerrp What's HTPC?

[18:39:00]

wombo:

High Tension Performance Computing

[18:39:13]

kormoc:

Home Theater Personal Computer

[18:39:30]

kormoc:

High Times Perfected Cuttings

[18:39:48]

kormoc:

Something like that

[18:39:51]

iamlindoro:

Hilarious Topic Penile Coating

[18:39:52]

janneg:

iamlindoro: just commented all alphapulses, still takes 100%

[18:40:00]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, not Topical?

[18:40:07]

CGI463:

So the link I sent up above is an OEM swipe out, I don't care as long as it works.

[18:40:08]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: oooh, good one

[18:40:22]

iamlindoro:

janneg: comment out coverart and fanart imagetypes

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sgtpepper:

damn.. .I can't find my remote control provider

[18:41:53]

sgtpepper:

lo

[18:41:53]

sgtpepper:

l

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janneg:

iamlindoro: still 100%

[18:42:49]

iamlindoro:

janneg: If it's not the image hunt, then it has to be the negative offsets

[18:43:10]

iamlindoro:

Strange, though... it's use similarly/same in MythVideo gallery and elsewhere...

[18:43:23]

iamlindoro:

so if it's that way in PBB, it ought to be in the Gallery view of mythvideo too

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iamlindoro:

janneg: Any chance you'd try w/ the qt painter, even though it won't display properly?

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janneg:

iamlindoro: mythvideo browse view seems to be also 100%, gallery view seem to be ok, around 20% with alphapulse

[18:46:40]

iamlindoro:

janneg: I can only guess that it's a painter/negative offset issue

[18:46:50]

janneg:

testing qt painter now

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iamlindoro:

janneg: ISTR that the GL painter has an issue where it tries to continually repaint, which may be the same exact issue that causes it to work w/ negative offsets in the first place :)

[18:48:32]

janneg:

yeah, simple sampling with gdb suggested that it is repainting all the time

[18:49:46]

iamlindoro:

unfortunately Chutt does not seem too fond of my theme, and he may be one of the few people who has ideas about how to make negative offsets work properly in all painters/without the repaint issue

[18:50:05]

iamlindoro:

I am sorry it's not working properly :(

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janneg:

iamlindoro: normal cpu usage with the qt painter. and I wouldn't say it's not working properly

[18:53:22]

sgtpepper:

is there anyway to stretch live tv from 4:3 to 16:9 ?

[18:54:07]

iamlindoro:

janneg: When using any of the negative offset buttonlists in the qt painter, my experience has been it experiences major clipping issues when browsing through them

[18:54:26]

iamlindoro:

but it's been some time since I tested, too

[18:54:27]

janneg:

I noticed it only since I was looking at htop since I'm compilin something else on the frontend

[18:55:41]

jams:

sgtpepper- you can change in the playback profile, or on the fly with the W key or OSD

[18:55:45]

janneg:

iamlindoro: still there, and flibook animations aren't animated outside the positive coordinates

[18:56:06]

iamlindoro:

janneg: yeah, bummer :(

[18:56:08]

sgtpepper:

Playback profile, let me check

[18:56:13]

jams:

sgtpepper- it's the aspect ratio

[18:56:36]

janneg:

iamlindoro: do you know if terra uses negative coordinates in the watch recordings screen?

[18:56:57]

iamlindoro:

janneg: I'm not sure-- it uses them a tiny bit in the menu

[18:57:18]

iamlindoro:

but not to the extreme extent that graphite does anywhere, I don't think

[18:57:22]

jams:

sgtpepper- it's also in the general playback page 2. But that would be a global setting

[18:57:29]

sgtpepper:

found it

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iamlindoro:

janneg: I am eager to find a solution that allows all the painters to work properly, but outside of rewriting graphite to not use any negative co-ordinates I'm not sure what to do

[18:57:58]

janneg:

iamlindoro: just looked, it does

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sgtpepper:

live tv is still crashin

[18:58:13]

sgtpepper:

crashing

[18:58:22]

sgtpepper:

after I change the channel one time

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sgtpepper:

it never works again until the reboot

[18:58:45]

sgtpepper:

I'm going to try to fetch some logs

[18:59:53]

janneg:

btw mythfrontend -O Themepainter qt has a strange effect

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iamlindoro:

janneg: What effect is that?

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janneg:

it displays just the background and says "no plugin qt found"

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gnome42:

you need a '=' maybe?

[19:02:22]

iamlindoro:

janneg: think it's case sensitive, and needs =

[19:02:25]

iamlindoro:

ThemePainter=qt

[19:02:31]

iamlindoro:

p capitalized

[19:02:46]

wagnerrp:

well i just had to fix an interesting problem

[19:02:46]

janneg:

yes, it needs the '='

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sphery:

yeah, it was trying to execute the qt plugin

[19:02:57]

wagnerrp:

one of the machines at work wouldnt boot after a power failure

[19:03:00]

sphery:

like mythfrontend mythmusic executes mythmusic

[19:03:05]

janneg:

the capilization doesn't matter

[19:03:13]

sgtpepper:

ok.. here is my pastebin regarding the livetv crash => http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1493859

[19:03:17]

wagnerrp:

so i grab a monitor and keyboard, turn it on

[19:03:23]

sphery:

janneg: it should only affect the used value with proper caps

[19:03:34]

wagnerrp:

and notice the BIOS is reporting the time as May, 2091

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sgtpepper:

NVP, Error: Unknown error, exiting decoder

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sphery:

janneg: though mysql doesn't care, the overriddenSettings QMap<QString, QString> does (unless I'm completely mistaken)

[19:06:00]

sgtpepper:

enter key pauses live tv?

[19:06:09]

janneg:

sphery: indeed, it does

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hondo:

Disney/Pixar vexes me — I can backup these DVDs to my hard drive, but cannot playback or transcode the first chapter of the latest titles from these Dis/Pix.

[19:09:28]

sphery:

janneg: though, if we could guarantee that no settings values would ever have a need for specific capitalization, we could make setting values case insensitive, but I don't know that it's worth the extra work of lower-casing them (values, not data)

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sphery:

speaking of lower-casing

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sgtpepper:

hmm guys, can anyone tell me why this is crashing my live tv, here is another more verbose pastebin, apparently it has to do with a recording not found (¡?) http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1493871

[19:12:13]

kormoc:

so check the backend?

[19:13:31]

sphery:

sgtpepper: it's not that it's not finding the recording, it's not finding the recording list

[19:14:27]

sphery:

meaning that "it" is not communicating with mythbackend or mysql (where "it" is whatever made that log--if mythfrontend, it's not communicating with mythbackend; or if mythbackend, it's not communicating with mysql)

[19:14:42]

luker:

Hi, Maybe this is not exactly a mythtv question. I'm trying to get mythtv to boot just in time to start a recording and think I need to have the rtc-cmos module loaded at boot time. I added "rtc-cmos" to /etc/modules and "install rtc-cmos" to /etc/modprobe.conf. But rtc-cmos doesn't seem to be loaded since /sys/class/rtc/rtc0 doesn't exist.

[19:15:18]

sgtpepper:

sphery: I'm perfectly able to see (for example) the tv guide

[19:15:29]

sgtpepper:

so apparently Its comunicating ok with mythbackend

[19:17:42]

sphery:

sgtpepper: remote frontend/backend systems?

[19:17:49]

sphery:

i.e. different physical computers?

[19:17:51]

sgtpepper:

no

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sgtpepper:

same system

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sgtpepper:

in a future they'll be apart

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kormoc:

a future? Not planning for this reality line eh?

[19:40:40]

iamlindoro:

In a future I'll be devilishly handsome and filthy rich

[19:41:44]

kormoc:

In a future, I won the heart of a jewel ;)

[19:42:14]

** kormoc starts sliding to find this line and kill the existing kormoc in it **

[19:43:26]

inordkuo:

sphery i tried your mythweb_hostname_for_preview_pixmaps patch but no joy.

[19:43:52]

kormoc:

inordkuo, what happens?

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inordkuo:

same thing...the thumbnails for recordings done on the masterbackend show up

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Heart? Bah! I won her in a card game

[19:44:29]

inordkuo:

the thumbnails for recordings done on slave backends are missing

[19:44:43]

kormoc:

Have the url to the patch?

[19:45:02]

** kormoc laughs **

[19:46:03]

inordkuo:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . ixmaps.patch

[19:46:12]

gbee:

iamlindoro may own her and kormoc may have her heart, but she's cheating on both with me

[19:46:33]

iamlindoro:

How'd she get out of the crawlspace under my house?

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kormoc:

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[19:47:41]

kormoc:

inordkuo, Did you force a cache clear? (shift + click refresh)

[19:47:55]

kormoc:

inordkuo, and is the urls being generated look valid (include the correct hostname)?

[19:48:03]

inordkuo:

no...didn't do that

[19:48:04]

inordkuo:

trying now

[19:48:37]

inordkuo:

shift + click refresh is cache clear for firefox?

[19:48:53]

kormoc:

well, it says not to use the cache for this refresh, aye

[19:49:01]

meshe:

yup

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meshe:

shift + F5 also

[19:50:03]

inordkuo:

still the same... in ie i get red x's

[19:50:40]

inordkuo:

one of the broken links points to this http://inorkuo.myftp.org/mythweb/tv/get_pixma . . . 00x75x64.png

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kormoc:

and mythtvserver1 is the valid hostname for the slave?

[19:51:54]

kormoc:

http://failblog.org/2009/07/13/omg-u-fail-so-hard/

[19:52:10]

inordkuo:

yes

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kormoc:

you'll need to start digging into the httpRequest method to go father

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inordkuo:

sphery wrote the patch. i was just testing it...not really a coder myself

[19:56:30]

iamlindoro:

Well that explains everything

[19:56:35]

iamlindoro:

*sphery* wrote it

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iamlindoro:

;)

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straycat:

hello all from strayville

[19:57:46]

inordkuo:

haha well it's better than i can do

[19:58:02]

kormoc:

Strayviille is in Maryland?

[19:58:03]

sphery:

kormoc: the problem is he has no name resolution

[19:58:03]

straycat:

i just bought a hauppauge hvr1600

[19:58:14]

kormoc:

sphery, ahh, that'd do it

[19:58:16]

sphery:

kormoc: I'll fix the patch to do an ip lookup on the hostname using the myth db

[19:58:26]

straycat:

strayville is where ever 'i' happen to be but at the moment i am in maryland yes :P

[19:58:39]

inordkuo:

does anyone know if mythmusic is failing to compile in trunk lately?

[19:58:52]

** sphery makes a mental note to actually write those patches iamlindoro wants and then delete them **

[19:58:54]

straycat:

i have mythbuntu installing as i type this text

[19:59:05]

kormoc:

sphery, change the MythBackend model to do that as a properity ($this->ip) and update httpRequest to use that, least, that's how I'd do it

[19:59:20]

sphery:

kormoc: what? I have to actually code it correctly...

[19:59:24]

** kormoc laughs **

[19:59:24]

sphery:

*grumble*

[19:59:30]

sphery:

It was much easier my way ;)

[19:59:33]

straycat:

my ati all in wonder doesnt seem to work on anything (gee what a surprise eh)

[19:59:53]

straycat:

i will NEVER EVER buy an ATI product ever again!!!

[20:00:22]

straycat:

ati for the past 15 years has never had properly working hardware/drivers

[20:00:38]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Pfft, I've lost interest in doing the work depending on them anyway :)

[20:00:48]

wagnerrp:

ive never had a problem with ATI hardware (on windows)

[20:00:51]

sphery:

kormoc: funny thing is I went through all of this (got all pixmaps from mbe, then updated to use hostname, then found some didn't have name resolution) when doing a little test script for hammering the preview generator... If only my memory worked as well as Mushkin's/Patriot's/OCZ's/Kingston's...

[20:01:02]

wagnerrp:

but under linux, theyre largely a lost cause

[20:01:03]

kormoc:

heh

[20:01:14]

kormoc:

It likely works as well as OCZ's ;)

[20:01:37]

straycat:

the last time i ever had an ati product work almost as instended was back in the 98 days and even then i never got the record funtion to work

[20:01:46]

sphery:

heh--especially the Elpida-based Hyper RAM?

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straycat:

-s

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straycat:

s/98/win98

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sphery:

inordkuo: thanks for testing the patch--I don't have remote backends on my dev box and I do have name resolution on my network, so I didn't notice that issue :)

[20:03:31]

wagnerrp:

straycat: this is an original ATI AIW youre talking about?

[20:03:33]

inordkuo:

no problem. thanks for doing the actual work.

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straycat:

in everyones opinion here... is mythtv the "best" choice for what s/i/we want to do? or should i go with windows like beyondtv or sagetv or something?

[20:04:17]

straycat:

wag: my first aiw pro i got like 12 years ago at circuit city

[20:04:24]

kormoc:

*I* believe myth is epically awesome... but then I'm a linux guy and a myth dev, so.... ;)

[20:04:57]

meshe:

what's windows?

[20:05:03]

wagnerrp:

straycat: im surprised thats actually still working

[20:05:38]

gbee:

meshe: panes of transparent glass inserted in exterior walls to allow light in

[20:05:40]

wagnerrp:

but that hardware never even got drivers for the NT family

[20:05:51]

wagnerrp:

that was 95/98 only

[20:05:54]

straycat:

the ati card i have now i got on ebay for $20 and barely got it to work with the official ati drivers/software

[20:05:55]

meshe:

oh, that application i have to fire up this afternoon and install Orfice 2007 :S

[20:06:10]

straycat:

-in winxp

[20:06:44]

straycat:

i was thinking of installing xp media center edition to try window3s media center but then i figured id try myth tv

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meshe:

gbee: you can run beyondtv and sage in "panes of transparent glass inserted in exterior walls"

[20:07:18]

meshe:

very cool

[20:07:18]

wagnerrp:

and this is another ancient rage3d-based AIW?

[20:07:39]

straycat:

yeah its rage 9500 if i remember right

[20:07:53]

iamlindoro:

It's a silly place to ask an opinion, especially without stating intended goals

[20:08:11]

iamlindoro:

What do you *expect* everyone in the Mythtv channel's opinion to be about mythTV?

[20:08:18]

iamlindoro:

And what if my goal is to score with a hot supermodel?

[20:08:19]

straycat:

i think all of our goals would be pretty much the same

[20:08:29]

iamlindoro:

straycat: You would be mistaken

[20:08:31]

wagnerrp:

so its a radeon based card, i dont see why you couldnt get it working under windows

[20:08:44]

wagnerrp:

but the tuners on the AIW cards never had much in the way of linux support

[20:08:45]

iamlindoro:

every person here wants a different set of functionality from Myth, and with differing sets of priorities

[20:09:02]

kormoc:

straycat, I enjoy taking all my tv and making it black and white and adding static to it so I can pretend it's the early 50's and I'm on the first tv watching the future

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straycat:

i got it to sorta work but im done with ati, so i just bought a hauppage from best buy an hour ago for $99.99

[20:09:33]

** iamlindoro hopes it's not an HVR-1800 **

[20:09:52]

straycat:

its an hvr-1600

[20:10:03]

straycat:

model 1199

[20:10:04]

iamlindoro:

Well good, in that case you got a good card, you just paid 2x too much for it

[20:10:21]

wagnerrp:

hes not going to be using an 1800 on a machine that could have taken an AGP 9500

[20:10:23]

iamlindoro:

But it'll do the job

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kormoc:

Go 180% markups!

[20:10:33]

straycat:

bestbuy is an oxymoron cuz nothing there is a "best" buy :P

[20:10:55]

straycat:

i miss compusa.. they were high but still cheaper than bestbuy

[20:11:19]

meshe:

best buy is good for dvd sales

[20:11:51]

straycat:

i have to get a good decent working pvr to go with my new 42 inch lcd

[20:11:55]

straycat:

:D

[20:12:41]

iamlindoro:

haaaaaaahahahahahaahah

[20:12:43]

iamlindoro:

"The Microsoft Media Center application supports up to two TV tuners, so you can watch on channel while recording another."

[20:12:49]

iamlindoro:

*year*

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iamlindoro:

er *tear*

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iamlindoro:

wow, I can have TWO tuners?

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meshe:

i can haz 2 tunerz?

[20:13:29]

** iamlindoro schedules something on encoder 17 to record tonight **

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iamlindoro:

Oooh, ooh, the new Michael T. Dean novel is out!

[20:15:56]

iamlindoro:

:)

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straycat:

oh wow cool, it seems to have detected my new card so it says in the capture card setup. so.. so far so good i guess.

[20:19:27]

iamlindoro:

Bzzzzzzt, hang on there

[20:19:35]

iamlindoro:

myth doesn't auto detect card type

[20:19:50]

iamlindoro:

you need to set the card to the correct type, and v4l (the default) ain't it

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straycat:

it says the card i have in the "probed info"

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straycat:

its set on analog v4l

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iamlindoro:

which is wrong

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iamlindoro:

again, myth doesn't autodetect card type

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iamlindoro:

it would help if you read the instruction. A lot.

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wagnerrp:

'analog v4l' is simply the first card you have in the list

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straycat:

ohhh

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wagnerrp:

and if you have a /dev/video0 or /dev/v4l/video0, it will assume that is a v4l node

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wagnerrp:

however in your case, it would be wrong

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kormoc:

Hrm... Shall we shatter his plan now or later?

[20:22:41]

iamlindoro:

I'm all for now

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straycat:

shattering sooner is better than later.. saves time and tears and perhaps blood when i slit my wrist for it not working :P

[20:22:52]

kormoc:

straycat, what are you plannint to record?

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kormoc:

*planning

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not for emo kids

[20:23:06]

kormoc:

meaning what's the source of your tv feed?

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straycat:

just basic tv shows

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sphery:

kormoc: guess--now that I've thanked inordkuo for testing the patch--I should thank you for asking all the questions I would have asked if I were here to get the info I needed to figure out why the patch didn't work :)

[20:23:19]

straycat:

comcast cable

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, emo kids slice their arm's, not their wrists

[20:23:30]

kormoc:

straycat, digital or HD cable?

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straycat:

lol

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kormoc:

sphery, no worries :)

[20:23:46]

straycat:

digital

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straycat:

i dont have an hd account or hd box

[20:24:11]

straycat:

its just basic cable

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kormoc:

Digital or Analog cable?

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straycat:

i assume analog since its the cheapest of basic cable service and its not my house so id have to ask the owner what they are paying for

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kormoc:

Do you need a cable box to get the video?

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straycat:

no

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff, no shattering of plans needed!

[20:26:24]

straycat:

it doesnt need a box to get the stations.. however.. comcast says i need a box to get certain stations like tnt and fox

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kormoc:

So you won't be getting those with that card

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iamlindoro:

erm... definitely not so with fox

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iamlindoro:

Fox is network TV, that'll be unencrypted

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kormoc:

(If they're following legal requirements)

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iamlindoro:

But TNT, ye, very likely

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straycat:

comcast tells me they are taking off stations from basic service and then will be required to rent a box to get them

[20:28:06]

kormoc:

Yup, and you won't get those with that card likely

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iamlindoro:

They say many things-- but they legally cannot encrypt *network* TV

[20:29:28]

iamlindoro:

and yes, they are moving legacy analog channels to digital ones and providing Digital Terminal adapters, but those boxes don't have encryption they can legally use, which means generally speaking the channels are still tunable with the digital side of the card

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straycat:

well now... this brings a question i never thought of until now.. if we want to use our mythtv to get stations that can only be gotten from using a box from our tv supplier.. then how or can we even use those stations with mythtv?

[20:30:12]

iamlindoro:

yes, you can capture direct from the box, and control it with an IR transmitter

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straycat:

because one day when i can afford to do so i want to get an hd box with movie channels or better yet satelite

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iamlindoro:

When you do that, note that you cannot capture HD from the box with your card

[20:32:04]

iamlindoro:

you would need to purchase a Hauppauge HD-PVR, which is the only consumer device capable of capturing HD from set top boxes

[20:32:12]

straycat:

i have yet to see hd on my hd tv and unless i ZOOM it doesnt fill the screen

[20:32:36]

straycat:

great.. another thing i need to buy :o

[20:32:48]

kormoc:

Yay! Shattered Plans!

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meshe:

my hdtv has never seen hdtv content either

[20:32:54]

iamlindoro:

it's very likely that you can get the HD network channels with the digital side of your card right now

[20:33:14]

iamlindoro:

Your card is one each of analog and digital tuners

[20:33:35]

iamlindoro:

the analog side can be used to capture SD content from a cable box-- the digital side can be used to capture all unencrypted channels straight from the wall

[20:33:43]

straycat:

i almost bought the USB version of happauge.. the 950q

[20:33:48]

iamlindoro:

which is likely to include CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox, the Cw, and whatever locals you get

[20:34:00]

iamlindoro:

very likely in HD

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straycat:

hd has been out for what 10 years give or take? and yet broadcast tv and most cable stations still dont broadcast to fill your hd screen

[20:35:06]

defaultro:

hi iamlindoro, what are those hauppauge hd-pvr?

[20:35:19]

wagnerrp:

what?

[20:35:21]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HD-PVR

[20:35:21]

defaultro:

i mean, what out is it expecting from set top boxes?

[20:35:24]

meshe:

straycat: now your talking about aspect ratio, that's different then hdtv

[20:35:24]

kormoc:

defaultro, google knows!

[20:35:26]

iamlindoro:

component

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straycat:

im googling that now

[20:35:42]

wagnerrp:

broadcast tv is going to be either 1080i or 720p, both considered HD

[20:35:47]

defaultro:

ah, i remember that device now

[20:35:54]

defaultro:

i remember last year, price was $274

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straycat:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

[20:36:18]

wagnerrp:

and your local stations have likely been broadcasting at that resolution since they switched to digital

[20:36:39]

iamlindoro:

there's an echo in here...

[20:36:49]

kormoc:

there's an echo in here...

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iamlindoro:

in here...

[20:36:56]

iamlindoro:

here...

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kormoc:

beer...

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straycat:

and i wanted everything all in one piece in one case in the one computer im building for this.. now i need external devices. bleh

[20:37:01]

meshe:

...

[20:37:11]

meshe:

lol

[20:37:18]

straycat:

oh and more money :p

[20:37:18]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mounting_the_HD-PVR_Internally

[20:37:26]

meshe:

there's a reason people created closets

[20:37:33]

meshe:

or basements

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kormoc:

When a woman tells you that you should use a closet for computer equipment, you should listen ;)

[20:37:47]

jpabq:

http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definiti . . . p/B0018LX0DY $195

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wagnerrp:

straycat: you do realize this will be connected to a cablebox, another external unit, right?

[20:38:00]

iamlindoro:

meshe: So that people like clever have a place to lie?

[20:38:01]

iamlindoro:

live?

[20:38:16]

iamlindoro:

(or both?)

[20:38:17]

kormoc:

More then he deserves!

[20:38:22]

meshe:

iamlindoro: clever :)

[20:38:25]

straycat:

i can make so many 'closet' jokes but i wont. lol

[20:39:12]

defaultro:

is The Hauppauge HD-PVR Model 1212 the only model?

[20:39:24]

iamlindoro:

yes, and only tool's use the Model 1212 part

[20:39:26]

iamlindoro:

er tools

[20:39:37]

iamlindoro:

just HD-PVR or Hauppauge HD-PVR in common parlance

[20:39:43]

defaultro:

thanks jpabq, it's down to $195 :)

[20:39:50]

defaultro:

ok iamlindoro, thanks :)

[20:39:55]

iamlindoro:

especially obnoxious is "the 1212," that drives me batty

[20:40:04]

straycat:

maybe i can ebay it next year for 50 bux

[20:40:11]

iamlindoro:

straycat: doubtful

[20:40:13]

defaultro:

so as long as their is a component out, this device should be able to capture it :D

[20:40:22]

defaultro:

s/their/there/

[20:40:24]

meshe:

whoops, just broke the google appliance *closes that tab and goes onto something else*

[20:40:35]

wagnerrp:

as long as there is a consumer HD output, this device should be able to capture it

[20:40:39]

iamlindoro:

straycat: it's the only device of its kind available-- until there's competition I wouldn't expect the price to drop very low

[20:40:55]

straycat:

gotta love MONOPLY eh

[20:41:02]

straycat:

monopoly

[20:41:17]

iamlindoro:

that's not a monopoloy

[20:41:19]

iamlindoro:

er monopoly

[20:41:33]

iamlindoro:

Someone making the only one of something isn't remotely what a monopoly is

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straycat:

techincally thats true.. since others are allowed to do it and they just dont

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straycat:

electronics manufacture is mainly geared towards the average everyday person, not for tinker'ers and geeks and so forth like us

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straycat:

the market they think isnt big enough to make people like us happy

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iamlindoro:

The HD-PVR is well worth it

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defaultro:

can 1080p be out on component? I remember someone on avsforum said yes

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iamlindoro:

yes, 1080p is possible via component

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defaultro:

k

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iamlindoro:

not that you can capture it with teh HD-PVR

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defaultro:

oh

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kormoc:

Oh, meshe I wanted to ask you if you know of any place in Vancouver Metro that's looking for a Jr SA?

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defaultro:

so max is only 1080i

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iamlindoro:

for the HD-PVR, yes

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

there isn't any product right now that does 1080p recording?

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meshe:

kormoc: not off the top of my head, if I hear anything I'll let you know

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iamlindoro:

defaultro: What source did you have in mind for 1080p?

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iamlindoro:

ie, what is it that's 1080p that you plan to record?

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kormoc:

Rgr

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meshe:

kormoc: for Jr, i'm guessing it's not you looking

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defaultro:

my friend told me that dish network outs at 1080p. Not sure if it's true

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defaultro:

and also netflix

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kormoc:

meshe, nah, a friend of mine, he's talented but it's tough hunting right now for him

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wagnerrp:

their ads claim they do

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meshe:

yeah, it's a rough market

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defaultro:

k

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iamlindoro:

defaultro: Heh, they have a couple on demand movies for 1080p, but at 4–5 Mbit it's a marketing scam

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wagnerrp:

i doubt you could get 1080p from netflix's online streaming

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defaultro:

:)

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iamlindoro:

another lesson in "resolution means nothing"

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kormoc:

meshe, thanks much!

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defaultro:

yeap, it's all in how it was encoded

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iamlindoro:

anyway, simple enough to just set the box to only output 1080i

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defaultro:

k

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wagnerrp:

4–5mbit? even pirated stuff is probably double that

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meshe:

kormoc: no worries

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kormoc:

you get 1920x1080 pixels, but only 640x680 of them are not 0x000000

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iamlindoro:

as you gain nothing from their *cough* "1080p

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yeah

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defaultro:

what does 0x000000 mean?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Because the pirated stuff has a decent source :)

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defaultro:

:)

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kormoc:

defaultro, pure black ;)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: are you implying theyre upsampling from their DVD collection?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Huh? no

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defaultro:

oh :D

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defaultro:

i need pure black for my crt projector

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Guest91866:

Hi! Mythtv is driving me crazy... I'm configurin a new server (Fedora 11 & mythtv-0.22 from Atrpms repo) but can't scan for channels... please help me!

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iamlindoro:

Why in the world are you not using the stable version?

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iamlindoro:

use .21 if you expect myth (especially the channel scanner) to work

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straycat:

ok.. now ima reboot and see if it boots and works

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meshe:

AT didn't use --remove-drive-user-crazy when he made his rpms?

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kormoc:

Guest91866, Also, there's been lots of reports of Fedora 11 caused segfaults

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defaultro:

glad you mentioned about version. I did update fix release last year. Should I update today?

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Guest91866:

because it doesn't work either... same problem, can't scan for channels

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iamlindoro:

defaultro: I was speaking to Guest91866, as there is no .22 yet he is running development code

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wagnerrp:

i honestly dont understand why you would be running trunk, and not compile it yourself

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iamlindoro:

Guest91866: Do *not* use trunk packages, they are going to cause you far more problems than they will fix for you

[20:50:13]

iamlindoro:

Guest91866: Go back to .21, get as far as you can, then ask us specific questions

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iamlindoro:

The channel scanner in trunk is *not finished*, and *should not be used by anyone not working on finishing it*

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defaultro:

yep iamlindoro, I was aware you were chatting with him. But i also would like to know if I need to update to the latest fix

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iamlindoro:

defaultro: Latest fixes is always good, especially if you are a year out of date

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Guest91866:

it doesn't segfault on my system... anyway I've tried the .22 version because it's nearly 1 week I'm trying to scan some channell

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iamlindoro:

not that I mean .21-fixes

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laga:

this channel is pure gold sometimes

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iamlindoro:

Guest91866: Again, go *back* to .21, get as far as you can, then ask questions here

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iamlindoro:

Guest91866: Trunk, and its channel scanner, are not supported, and not finished

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** kormoc blinks **

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wagnerrp:

what is nearly 1 week?

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straycat:

im trying out mythbuntu... whats everyone elses flavour of linux brand choice?

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iamlindoro:

s/not that I mean/note that I mean/

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Hope I didn't cause the blink ;)

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Guest91866:

Ok so I'll downgrade to .21... and will be back with more specific questions...

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straycat:

freebsd use to be my favourite back in the 90s

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laga:

flavour of linux brand choice?

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iamlindoro:

Ah, my Jedi mind trick worked

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** laga blinks **

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kormoc:

More the gold comment ;)

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meshe:

straycat: mythbuntu for myth, ubuntu for other

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iamlindoro:

Sanka!

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** kormoc weeps **

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iamlindoro:

I prefer my linux in a Columbian roast

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straycat:

laga: u know what i meant.. as in ubuntu.. redhat..debian.. ubuntu.. solaris.. ect ect

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defaultro:

so who has the 1212 and what was your experience about it?

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iamlindoro:

solaris != linux

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kormoc:

Gentoo, my love, I was forced to the dark side

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laga:

yeah, solaris is my favourite linux brand choice

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straycat:

*nix

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iamlindoro:

defaultro: Didn't we talk about this?

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kormoc:

defaultro, ugh... just call it a HDPVR,

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iamlindoro:

exactly

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defaultro:

oh :D

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defaultro:

so who has the HDPVR and what was your experience about it?

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defaultro:

:P

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straycat:

yeah well solaris isnt 'linux' but it is a nix and i hated running solaris in the 90s

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, a number of us have them, and while it's still a work in progress in linux and myth, it's a great piece of hardware

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defaultro:

cool

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iamlindoro:

Also the only game in town for its purpose

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kormoc:

defaultro, go buy a few dozen, you'll be happy! (and broke, but happy!)

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iamlindoro:

it is not supported in .21, but shall be in the soon-to-arrive .22

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defaultro:

hahaha :D

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defaultro:

oh so I will have to use trunk to try it/

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defaultro:

?

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kormoc:

you would, or you'd wait for 0.22 and use it there

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iamlindoro:

no, you'll have to wait a month or two for .22

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

cool!!! ;)

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iamlindoro:

But John Poet, Janne, and Daniel have all worked very very hard on improving it in Myth and Linux

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iamlindoro:

so most of the speed bumps have been ironed out, and some minor hiccups remaining

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straycat:

uh oh.. i might have to read the directions.. since like nothing is happening :o :P :D

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iamlindoro:

you might have to read the directions because if you ask about something in them in this channel, you'll get an earful, then be ignored

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iamlindoro:

It's how we roll :D

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straycat:

oh.. um.. yeah well then theres that too ;)

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iamlindoro:

Like boot camp for wayward teenagers, we teach self-reliance

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straycat:

the way ive done things my entire life is first i try without directions then if i dont get it to work then i follow directions.. then if i still cant get it, then i ask questions.

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iamlindoro:

That's a quick way to badly break a myth install

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iamlindoro:

in highly recommend swapping steps two and one in this case

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iamlindoro:

As it doesn't matter *how* smart you are, or how much you know about linux, if you try to set up myth without documentation, you will faillllllll

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straycat:

im still new to myth, ive only researched it for 2 days now

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meshe:

iamlindoro: that statement is not true

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straycat:

i cant code so im not 'that' smart, but i know my way around for the most part

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meshe:

i built my first myth system without reading the docs and it was not a failure

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iamlindoro:

there you go straycat, meshe says you don't have to read the docs, so if you have any questions along the way, she'll be happy to answer them via PM or phone

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straycat:

main problem with anything linux related is finding the RIGHT docs to read/follow

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shadash:

you shouldn't need to read all the docs just to install some software

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iamlindoro:

The *official* docs are the onyl docs of merit

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meshe:

lol

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iamlindoro:

only

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straycat:

lol doro

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iamlindoro:

I stand by my statement-- reading the myth docs is non-optional

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shadash:

the more "docs" users have to read the more support calls you'll receive

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straycat:

well first id like to try to do it on my own then if i cant ima callin u meshe on the cell :P

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kormoc:

good thing our user support call center doesn't exist

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shadash:

irc requests

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shadash:

email querrys

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kormoc:

welp

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iamlindoro:

I disagree wholeheartedly, let's take two groups of ten people and have one install myth after reading the docs, and the other "figure it out

[21:05:04]

iamlindoro:

we'll see how that goes

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shadash:

whatever medium

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kormoc:

guess we should start removing features, cause shadash says so!

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meshe_afk:

meshe's not here, all messages are currently forwarded to /dev/null

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shadash:

not they way I woud do it

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straycat:

once i get it running then ill deside what features it needs if any that it doesnt already

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iamlindoro:

There are two options-- having good docs or someone writes the code to make it idiot proof-- and since the latter hasn't happened yet, the former is non-optional

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shadash:

I agree with that

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straycat:

exactly!

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shadash:

legacy decign issues

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shadash:

design

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iamlindoro:

lack of patches from those bitching

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straycat:

linux has come along way in the last 15 years tho

[21:06:52]

shadash:

I'm not bitching

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shadash:

just waiting for a release

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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iamlindoro:

I miss the old days

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straycat:

i miss the old days too.. i was YOUNGER :o

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NiceGuyPaul:

Hi folks, looking for help with new frontend box. Have a working backend and two other front-ends that work fine. I get sound, but only a blue screen for video. Video chipset is recognized (Inteld865glc) any ideas??

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straycat:

what i do not miss is paying $450 for a 10GB hd >:<

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iamlindoro:

NiceGuyPaul: I'd tentatively guess that you are using the wrong playback type--- Utilties/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page three, switch the profile to "Slim"

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iamlindoro:

But I only answer 'cause you're such a nice guy

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** straycat is a nice guy :) **

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iamlindoro:

Once you switch the playback profile, press "Next" all the way to "finish," don't esc out

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NiceGuyPaul:

Thanks I'll try it.

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NiceGuyPaul:

I got the "nice guy" for not being a nice guy, you know, like they call big guys "tiny"

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iamlindoro:

Good, then you shall fit in well indeed here

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straycat:

ahhhahaha

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straycat:

um..

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straycat:

since 'i' AM a truly nice person.. does that mean 'i' dont fit in?

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straycat:

:o

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iamlindoro:

yes

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meshe_afk:

you'll get along with sphery :)

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iamlindoro:

We're surly here

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straycat:

i look at life like this... i treat others the way i would like to be treated. NICELY :)

[21:11:52]

straycat:

however..

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** jams wonders if NiceGuyPaul requires a premptive ban. **

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straycat:

if someone is a tard.. i have no problem telling them so and being a bigger tard to them than they are to me :P

[21:12:50]

NiceGuyPaul:

No, no ban necessary, I fit the name now

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straycat:

life should be fun.. we all shoud have fun and be cheerful and get along

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NiceGuyPaul:

No luck on playback. Set to "slim". Still just blue for video.

[21:13:36]

meshe:

"Don't take life too seriously, none of us are getting out of it alive"

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iamlindoro:

NiceGuyPaul: Then you should probably take a look at your frontend logs, they may be enlightening

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straycat:

meshe: ahhh techinally thats true to an extent but since im immortal your reasoning is flawed slightly ;)

[21:14:13]

Dagmar:

Just blue?

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Dagmar:

Like 0000ff blue?

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NiceGuyPaul:

Quick instructions to get there, or should I head to google.

[21:14:44]

meshe:

straycat: prove your immortality :)

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Dagmar:

Isnt' that generally a sign your tuner isn't picking anything up?

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meshe:

straycat: also not my quote

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straycat:

i have proved it and pretty soon ill have to court records to prove it ;)

[21:15:16]

iamlindoro:

NiceGuyPaul: run mythfrontend from a terminal, output is your log

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Dagmar:

NiceGuyPaul: You ever used screen before?

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NiceGuyPaul:

Tuner works, can see video on another front end. (have two tuners, can run two at a time – have one free currently)

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NiceGuyPaul:

no, sorry

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Dagmar:

Okay cool

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Dagmar:

Screen is dead easy to use, and it can help you here.

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straycat:

i havnt used screen in like almost 10 years

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straycat:

i use to own/operate/run a shell account service

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Dagmar:

type `screen` to start it up. It takes yer console there and reconnects it through a virtual terminal

[21:16:43]

straycat:

now ima domain name registrar

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iamlindoro:

why would he need to run screen right now?

[21:16:50]

iamlindoro:

We just want to get frontend logs

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iamlindoro:

open a terminal, run mythfrontend, reproduce the problem, pastebin the terminal output

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Dagmar:

You can then hit ^Ad (Ctrl-a, then d) to "detach" from the session... and then `screen -rd` is a quick way to reattach

[21:17:24]

Dagmar:

So... if you even accidentalyl kill the xterm, you can still get back at that console output in the screen session

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iamlindoro:

Why would he accidentally kill the xterm?

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Dagmar:

...or ssh into the box from outside and attach there so you don't have to do anything to what's on your *kof* um TV screen

[21:17:51]

inordkuo:

NiceGuyPaul: i had an intel graphics chipset that gave me a blue screen. it was a driver issue for me. might be worth a look.

[21:17:58]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: That last bit is the important point

[21:18:14]

iamlindoro:

That's a useless bit of runaround

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Dagmar:

I don't think I've started mythfrontend while in front of the machine in ages

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straycat:

bod in linux? heh

[21:18:38]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: It means he can watch the frontend stderr/stdout in realtime

[21:19:42]

NiceGuyPaul:

screen is up, but I don't know how to start myth from term

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Dagmar:

Once in screen type `mythfrontend`

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: So does alt-tab

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iamlindoro:

jesus christ

[21:20:36]

iamlindoro:

fine, if we're going to do stupid things like run mythfrontend from screen for no particular reason, I'm out

[21:20:46]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Hey man when we get a bright one I don't wanna waste him

[21:21:17]

straycat:

brb.. food time

[21:21:38]

Dagmar:

It's been a solid stream of loons who holler "OMG U IMPLY I DONT NO SUMTHIN" all week

[21:21:56]

NiceGuyPaul:

I see a bunch of errors that say: badalloc insufficient resources for operation

[21:22:03]

NiceGuyPaul:

Talking about me being bright?

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** Dagmar shudders **

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Dagmar:

NiceGuyPaul: Dude, you could have an IQ of 80 and I'd still call you bright compared to the usual lot. They come in, nothing works, they don't know why--they never even so much as looked at the install docs.

[21:23:31]

Dagmar:

That last bit after the hyphen pretty much covers the "why" it doesn't work.

[21:23:49]

NiceGuyPaul:

I'm tech support and computer repair in a small town.

[21:24:23]

NiceGuyPaul:

specificly: (insufficient resources for operation) 11

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NiceGuyPaul:

Major opcode: 132

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NiceGuyPaul:

Minor opcode: 19

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NiceGuyPaul:

Resource id: 0x4000001

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NiceGuyPaul:

Just not well versed in .nix

[21:25:52]

NiceGuyPaul:

Would try new drivers for chipset if I knew how.

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Dagmar:

ATI?

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iamlindoro:

//www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/msg14389.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@myth . . . sg14389.html

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NiceGuyPaul:

Intel d865glc on board.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/hardware/3686 . . . -screen.html

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Dagmar:

You're using the intel driver and not the i810 driver? (hope that's right)

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kormoc:

Only in Seattle do I need a coat in July...

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Dagmar:

IIRC one of the two is a bit more insane than the other

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meshe:

kormoc: Vancouver too :S

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Dagmar:

My laptop has a nice intel chipset. The i810 driver thinks it supports my laptop, but fails in many ways

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Dagmar:

The intel driver makes even Compiz happy

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: it's about 85 here :)

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iamlindoro:

Ha! Exactly 85

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NiceGuyPaul:

xvinfo: Adaptor #0: "Intel(R) Video Overlay"

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NiceGuyPaul:

number of ports: 1

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NiceGuyPaul:

port base: 82

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NiceGuyPaul:

and a bunch of other stuff

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kormoc:

64 currently

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** iamlindoro points north and laughs **

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gbee:

actually if we're being pedantic, the southern hemisphere, arctic and anywhere over 2500ft

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iamlindoro:

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meshe:

66 in Vancouver

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Dagmar:

It's 83F here, but 59% humidity thankfully

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** kormoc sighs **

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NiceGuyPaul:

68 on HWY 12 below Seattle

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Dagmar:

Yesterday it was more like 80–90% humidity

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kormoc:

meshe, and I got all sunburned up there in Vancouver this weekend to boot... You crazy Canadians and your stronger sun...

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Dagmar:

That level of humidity means you just start sweating the moment you set foot outside and you dont' stop

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meshe:

hah, you were in BC on the weekend and I was in washington

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

Yeah, I drove up Saturday Morning and left Sunday evening

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meshe:

I was thinking about making a trip to Seattle this weekend, but it turns out I'm on call

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gbee:

Canada has stronger sun?

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: Do you mean that you neglected to check the Ozone-hole weather charts?

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gbee:

granted the atmosphere is thinner, but you'd think the curvature effect would make for that

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Dagmar:

Altitude matters

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Dagmar:

It matters a LOT

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kormoc:

Actually, it was more the few hours on the beach rather then in the house on the computer

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meshe:

Vancouver is at sea level

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NiceGuyPaul:

I'm not making too much sense of the links. Is there a minimum video ram requirement?

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iamlindoro:

further north, and earths axis

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kormoc:

NiceGuyPaul, depending on the resolution, yes

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kormoc:

I have no idea if it's stronger or not, I just know I hurt ;)

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Dagmar:

NiceGuyPaul: There is, but you should have more than enough unless you have a REALLY cheap chipset

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iamlindoro:

tilted for greater sun exposure during there months

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iamlindoro:

s/there/these/

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kormoc:

neck, legs, arms, ears, face...

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NiceGuyPaul:

How do I verify correct drivers for the chipset?

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gbee:

didn't realise that Vancouver was at a greater elevation than Seattle, what with both being coastal towns ...

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Dagmar:

NiceGuyPaul: Look in your xorg.conf I suppose

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Dagmar:

You'll see "intel" or "i810" listed hopefully (not "vga" or "vesa")

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iamlindoro:

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/ast . . . easons.shtml

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meshe:

I was outside alot this weekend, but mostly in the shade

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iamlindoro:

further north = more exposed to the sun

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kormoc:

I guess the 4 hour drive in the convertible also didn't help with the sunburn

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meshe:

lol

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kormoc:

So Mac Mini and HDPVR are on the way, I'll have a mythbox again

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kormoc:

and then, back to mythweb, python edition!

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meshe:

nice, i'm thinking of doing similar but switch the hdpvr for a hdhr

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meshe:

oh come on, use perl and catalyst

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** kormoc laughs **

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iamlindoro:

I heard MythWeb was going to be Ruby on Rails now??

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kormoc:

I'm really hoping this ends up not being a mistake, but we'll see

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gbee:

wow, over three degrees further north than Vancouver here

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kormoc:

I'm gonna write mythweb in lisp and write ruby, python, perl, and php bindings to interact with the lisp!

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meshe:

do the directions on google maps from the UK to NA still tell you to swim the Atlantic?

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kormoc:

(Anyone currently using a mini?)

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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meshe:

kormoc: oooh, use parrot to tie them all together

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kormoc:

ooh, there we go!

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Have used the revision prior to the current hardware with Myth

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kormoc:

worked well?

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iamlindoro:

yes, very well

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** kormoc is relived **

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iamlindoro:

This was pre-nVidia, but we know that will work

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kormoc:

yeah

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jams:

kormoc- did you get the nvidia or intel video card?

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kormoc:

Nvidia

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iamlindoro:

thought they were all nVidia now?

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jams:

good

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kormoc:

they are only nvidia now

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kormoc:

I guess there's a few intel referbs being offered

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kormoc:

but i just got a current gen with 4 gigs of ram

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jams:

they are, but you can still buy intel ones used.

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** kormoc eyes 1tb firewire drives **

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iamlindoro:

could save a few bucks buying the case and a bare drive

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iamlindoro:

(I would guess)

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jams:

only thing that made me stop using the mini for myth was the intel driver. To much tearing for my tastes.

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iamlindoro:

jams: Which is (allegedly) now fixed

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jams:

yeah allegedly

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iamlindoro:

Keep meaning to set up the Dell Studio Hybrid which is more or less the same hardware, in the kitchen

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NiceGuyPaul:

The only xorg.conf I can find says this: Section "Monitor"

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NiceGuyPaul:

Identifier "Configured Monito

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jams:

the wife ended up taking over the mini for her own usage. So it's no longer a mythbox in our household.

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iamlindoro:

xorg.conf should be in /etc/X11/

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iamlindoro:

but some devices, particularly intel, can do without it

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NiceGuyPaul:

I open it with texteditor and it gives just generic junk like that

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iamlindoro:

That generic junk is quite specific :)

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NiceGuyPaul:

like: Section "Screen"

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NiceGuyPaul:

Identifier "Default Screen"

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NiceGuyPaul:

Monitor "Configured Monitor"

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NiceGuyPaul:

Device "Configured Video Device"

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, yeah, although I should just use my usb enclosures for now

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, jams, wifi worked well?

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iamlindoro:

NiceGuyPaul: a pastebin of the whole thing would be more helpful than excerpts

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I didn't use wifi TBH, but I'm pretty sure j-rod does

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inordkuo:

what does it say under Section "Device"?

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NiceGuyPaul:

That's pretty much it, but here you go:

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jams:

yes it worked well

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kormoc:

slickness

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** iamlindoro worries we are about to get flooded **

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** kormoc readys the quiet **

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NiceGuyPaul:

sorry to nail the chat window,but here goes

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NiceGuyPaul:

# xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)

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NiceGuyPaul:

#

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NiceGuyPaul:

# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using

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NiceGuyPaul:

# values from the debconf database.

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NiceGuyPaul:

#

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NiceGuyPaul:

# Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.

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NiceGuyPaul:

# (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)

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NiceGuyPaul:

#

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NiceGuyPaul:

# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*

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NiceGuyPaul:

# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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NiceGuyPaul:

# package.

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +b %*!*@customer116.lewiscounty.com

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iamlindoro:

being right is hard

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kormoc:

NiceGuyPaul, let me know when you're done...

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iamlindoro:

Ssssssssshhhh

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iamlindoro:

(meaning you should /msg him)

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kormoc:

it would help if I readied the right channel name in the future.. ;)

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jams:

haha beat me to it by '' that much

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iamlindoro:

ahem, by pastebin, we mean *don't* paste it in the channel

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iamlindoro:

(in case you were wondering what you did wrong)

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iamlindoro:

www.pastebin.com

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iamlindoro:

use that when the duct tape is removed

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jams:

it's probably safe to remove the tape

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -b %*!*@customer116.lewiscounty.com

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** kormoc eyes NiceGuyPaul **

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jams:

see he did need a preemptive ban

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NiceGuyPaul:

What? Like I'm supposed to just know that. It was sixteen lines.

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Dagmar:

Yeah well, a lot of us use split windows that are only half that tall to begin with

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meshe:

NiceGuyPaul: read the topic

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kormoc:

NiceGuyPaul, the Channel rules (which are linked in the channel topic) cover that

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meshe:

NiceGuyPaul: /topic

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iamlindoro:

It's also basic IRC behavior

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NiceGuyPaul:

http://pastebin.com/m37affdd6

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iamlindoro:

heh, not even a driver

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kormoc:

so it wasn't 16 lines, it was 53, 39 of which are comments?

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iamlindoro:

so yes, your X is basically running xorg-.conf-less

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NiceGuyPaul:

I left out the commentss

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kormoc:

<NiceGuyPaul> # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)

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kormoc:

not really :P

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NiceGuyPaul:

so, 14 lines

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NiceGuyPaul:

anyway, I'm sorry.

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meshe:

you live, you learn...

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NiceGuyPaul:

conf-less? I'm scared.

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iamlindoro:

No need to be, that's basically okay for intel

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iamlindoro:

a better question is what driver you are running

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Finswimmer:

Hello, is it possible to log important infos about a recording? I am asking as a recording is deleted but I do not know why...

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NiceGuyPaul:

lspci lists the correct chipset

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iamlindoro:

grep Driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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Finswimmer:

So a log file would be great where I can find out why it is deleted (next time)

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iamlindoro:

Finswimmer: the backend log, but the only time myth will remove a recording is when it autoexpires

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Finswimmer:

iamlindoro: Hmm. I know that (autoexpire) but it is disabled.

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Finswimmer:

But the File is not there (even on HDD I cannot find).

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kormoc:

Was it ever there?

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NinjaNumberNine:

Hi, I just wondered if someone can help me set up mythtv.

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Finswimmer:

Yes. It was recorded last wednesday. And I watched it thursday.

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kormoc:

NinjaNumberNine, ask specific questions and yes, it'll likely be answered

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iamlindoro:

NinjaNumberNine: Walk you through it? No. Answer some specific questions so long as you have read the documentation? Yes.

[21:57:55]

NinjaNumberNine:

I have read ALL documentations.

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NinjaNumberNine:

This is my questions.

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kormoc:

Really? All? Even the ones in German and Polish?

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NinjaNumberNine:

Duh, no.

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NinjaNumberNine:

HeHe

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NiceGuyPaul:

It says it is the i810 driver, which an earlier post linked to someone who needed to update it to get it to work. I do not know how to do this.

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NinjaNumberNine:

Anyway, I installed mythtv, and when I start up mythTV setup, I go through the following steps.

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Dagmar:

NiceGuyPaul: In all liklihood that is not the driver you want

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NinjaNumberNine:

#1 Select Language. I select english, click next.

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NinjaNumberNine:

#2 No UPnP backends found? I press enter.

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meshe:

is your backend running?

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** kormoc wonders which step actually has a problem **

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NinjaNumberNine:

When I try to load it it loads the same setup.

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Dagmar:

NiceGuyPaul: Cross your fingers and look in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers for intel_drv.so (hopefully that's the right directory on your distro)

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kormoc:

NinjaNumberNine, come again?

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NinjaNumberNine:

I will go 4 it.

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Dagmar:

NiceGuyPaul: If it's _there_, change the "i810" in your xorg.conf to "intel" and see if that makes it work properly

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kormoc:

Dagmar, his xorg.conf is practically empty

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Yeah but the i810 driver sucks large

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kormoc:

well I was more meaning he has no i810 in his xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

Like, one of the cooler things it wouldn't do on my laptop was change video modes without rebooting

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NinjaNumberNine:

slow down, slow down!

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iamlindoro:

keep up, keep up!

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** kormoc eyes NinjaNumberNine **

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Oh then time to run X's autoconfigurator then

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iamlindoro:

(as none of us are talking to you)

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Dagmar:

I'll bet it's loading the i810 driver tho

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Dagmar:

X loves it for some reason

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iamlindoro:

we're still waiting for you to get to the point

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kormoc:

Dagmar, it very likely is

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NinjaNumberNine:

well the file intel.drv is there.

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kormoc:

NinjaNumberNine, erm... that wasn't directed at you at all

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iamlindoro:

NinjaNumberNine: Nobody is talking to you about intel drivers

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NinjaNumberNine:

Ulp

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iamlindoro:

NinjaNumberNine: If we are talking to you we'll put your name at the front, like this

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iamlindoro:

NinjaNumberNine: We are still waiting for you to get to the point

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NinjaNumberNine:

Oh.

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iamlindoro:

NinjaNumberNine: And so far it's looking like a problem with not having read/followed the manual

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iamlindoro:

the old "can't connect to backend because I didn't read" issue

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NinjaNumberNine:

*Insulted*

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Dagmar:

Ah back to the usual now I see

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NinjaNumberNine:

I have run mythtv 2 years and never had a problem!!!

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iamlindoro:

Sorry you're insulted, I'll page my manager immediately and we'll refund a portion of your support contract

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kormoc:

NinjaNumberNine, ooh, if you never had a problem, guess you don't now as well eh?

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** kormoc suspends iamlindoro without pay **

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NinjaNumberNine:

I am going to leave this site...

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iamlindoro:

you're not on a site

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NinjaNumberNine:

Arghh!!

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** kormoc waves **

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: That means I get to go home, right?

[22:07:57]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, yeah!

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Dagmar:

NinjaNumberNine: If you'd treated your parents like this you'd never have learned to tie your shoes properly man. Don't get mad because someone implies you don't yet know something

[22:07:59]

iamlindoro:

Welcome to free support, home of "you get what you pay for!"

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iamlindoro:

Woo hoo!

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** kormoc peers at his empty coffee cup and wonders if he should go get a coat or get more coffee or both **

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iamlindoro:

How about this... if your problem is directly addressed by the docs, then you have to send me nude pictures of your girlfriend/wife

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Dagmar:

*facepalm*

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NinjaNumberNine:

I am not mad. I am frustrated because I get bombarded with insults/questions. I like Ubuntuforums better. The people there are NICE.

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iamlindoro:

and if it's *not*, then I'll change my nick to vaginaface for 24 hours

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** kormoc blinks **

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iamlindoro:

They also have the combined IQ of a garden hose

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laga:

the ubuntu code of conduct actually implies you need to be nice AFAIK

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iamlindoro:

code of WHAT? ;)

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kormoc:

NinjaNumberNine, erm... I don't know what you expect, but really, questions are sorta required when troubleshooting...

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iamlindoro:

and we're *still* waiting for the actual problem to be born

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kormoc:

NinjaNumberNine, and insults? implying that you didn't read all the massive amounts of docs is *insluting* to you? Do you live in a protected internet bubble or something?

[22:10:43]

NinjaNumberNine:

I will make one last try. Is there a way to show pictures in IRC clients?

[22:10:51]

kormoc:

no

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NinjaNumberNine:

I had it all done up in screenshots.

[22:11:09]

kormoc:

you have to describe the problem in text or link to a picture you post on a site

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iamlindoro:

post them to www.creedthoughts.gov.www/creedthroughts

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Dagmar:

http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2009/ . . . 60&h=408

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Dagmar:

That's as good as "pasting images" gets on IRC

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iamlindoro:

BUNNIES!

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NiceGuyPaul:

My xorg.conf does not list the i810, so I'm not sure where to change the driver listing.

[22:11:42]

kormoc:

NiceGuyPaul, you'll need to add it in

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Dagmar:

Yeah watch that your teeth don't rot out from that one

[22:11:48]

sgtpepper:

My new remote is soo cool!

[22:12:16]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Won't xorgcfg or xorg-setup or whatever populate that field explicitly?

[22:12:18]

iamlindoro:

Use your words, dear

[22:12:30]

Dagmar:

Whichever one of those pops up the little diagram of the keyboard, mouse and display

[22:12:31]

iamlindoro:

*describe* the problem, it's likely been seen a bajillion times

[22:12:47]

NiceGuyPaul:

I'm not sure of the syntax. Let me look on another box, I might be able to come up with it.

[22:12:51]

kormoc:

Dagmar, I thought it would, but according to his xorg, the debian one didn't

[22:12:55]

Dagmar:

Drat

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Dagmar:

I'll pastebin mine then

[22:13:04]

Dagmar:

He can clone from that

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NinjaNumberNine:

Kormoc: I have told the first two screens I see: here are the third, fourth and fifth.

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kormoc:

NinjaNumberNine, but none of that are problems, those are just setting screens

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kormoc:

NinjaNumberNine, nothing you've said so far indicates any issue at all

[22:13:50]

Dagmar:

NiceGuyPaul: look at http://pastebin.org/1426 line 21

[22:14:09]

iamlindoro:

Is he... PMing images?

[22:14:34]

iamlindoro:

Or has my client become self aware and learned who to set ignore on?

[22:14:44]

Dagmar:

NiceGuyPaul: You should have a Device section that defines the video card, and all you really need to add in there is 'Driver "intel"'

[22:14:52]

NinjaNumberNine:

#3: this screen just shows all the settings. I go with all the defaults (that has worked in the past) and yes, my auto-generated password is there.

[22:14:55]

Dagmar:

...otherwise I'm going to have to go get my laptop

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NinjaNumberNine:

I click okay.

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meshe:

NinjaNumberNine: is your backend running?

[22:16:59]

NinjaNumberNine:

then, it shows the screen with the "use custom identifier...) check boxes. But now the problem: when I click finish, It says "Cannot login to database?"

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kormoc:

and there's the problem we asked for 10 minutes ago!

[22:17:15]

NinjaNumberNine:

and then the next screen takes me back to the first.

[22:17:23]

kormoc:

so are you sure the database server is running?

[22:17:34]

kormoc:

can you log into it via the command line?

[22:17:39]

NinjaNumberNine:

how do you load it????

[22:17:47]

kormoc:

Did you run the grant statements as covered by the docs?

[22:17:59]

kormoc:

What distro are you using?

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NiceGuyPaul:

Thank you dagmar, but all I have in my xorg.conf is: http://pastebin.org/1428

[22:18:01]

NinjaNumberNine:

*stressed*

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kormoc:

Why are you stressed?

[22:18:19]

NinjaNumberNine:

just *stressed*

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Dagmar:

NiceGuyPaul: Yes, so you have the device section I mentioned

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** kormoc blinks **

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Dagmar:

NiceGuyPaul: Add 'Driver "intel"' to it

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** kormoc sighs **

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NinjaNumberNine:

I ask one question and get ANSWERED by a million!!

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Dagmar:

Without the Driver directive, Xorg will _just pick what it thinks is correct_

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laga:

NinjaNumberNine: some would think that's a good thing

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Dagmar:

NinjaNumberNine: No one had enough information to give you an answer based on the information you gave.

[22:19:16]

Dagmar:

GET OVER IT ALREADY.

[22:19:19]

kormoc:

NinjaNumberNine, okay... well... if you can't answer them, then we can't really help...

[22:19:28]

Dagmar:

It's completely normal, no one's going out of their way to be a jerk about it

[22:19:39]

Dagmar:

You're going to have to give more information for anyone to do more than guess.

[22:19:42]

kormoc:

NinjaNumberNine, there's no magic answer to a generic problem like that...

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Dagmar:

You don't want us guessing.

[22:20:07]

NinjaNumberNine:

Okay, I get it you guys want me to tell me the answers to my problems. Awesome!!

[22:20:17]

NiceGuyPaul:

cant save the line in gedit: You do not have the permissions necessary to save the file. Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again.

[22:20:24]

kormoc:

NiceGuyPaul, sudo

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Dagmar:

NiceGuyPaul: You need to be root to edit that, so ...

[22:20:56]

NinjaNumberNine:

bye. i'm going to ubuntu forums.

[22:21:02]

** kormoc waves **

[22:21:03]

NinjaNumberNine:

Nyaah

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NinjaNumberNine:

sticks out tongue

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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meshe:

props to the chan for being too willing to help :)

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laga:

get a grown-up to help you ;)

[22:22:37]

NinjaNumberNine:

NinjaNumberNine Punches kormoc's lights out, and throws Dagmar out the 254th story window.

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Dagmar:

must... not attack... weak link in chain...

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NinjaNumberNine:

and karate chops laga

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** kormoc eyes NinjaNumberNine **

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NinjaNumberNine:

eyes kormoc back

[22:23:46]

Dagmar:

NinjaNumberNine: It's not a good idea to verbally harass strangers

[22:23:51]

laga:

NinjaNumberNine: are you going to put on your wizard robe?

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Dagmar:

laga: I thought you were supposed to take those off

[22:24:16]

NinjaNumberNine:

i thought I threw you out the window?

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kormoc:

NinjaNumberNine, and I thought you were leaving?

[22:25:05]

NinjaNumberNine:

oh, yeah

[22:25:07]

NinjaNumberNine:

but I wanted some fun first.

[22:25:09]

kormoc:

going back to your unanswered happy ubuntu thread

[22:25:11]

kormoc:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1211669

[22:25:29]

kormoc:

So much nicer being unanswered then having people try to help

[22:25:59]

meshe:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1211669

[22:26:02]

kormoc:

but hey, it's not like you wanted to get the problem fixed or anything

[22:26:26]

meshe:

haha

[22:26:50]

NinjaNumberNine:

haha

[22:26:52]

NinjaNumberNine:

hahahaha

[22:26:54]

NinjaNumberNine:

hahahaha

[22:26:56]

NinjaNumberNine:

hahahaha

[22:26:57]

NinjaNumberNine:

hahahaha

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kormoc:

and you know, verbally abusing channel ops and developers of the project is surely a way to win friends

[22:26:59]

NinjaNumberNine:

hahahaha

[22:27:00]

NinjaNumberNine:

hahahaha

[22:27:02]

NinjaNumberNine:

hahahaha

[22:27:03]

NinjaNumberNine:

hahahaha

[22:27:05]

NinjaNumberNine:

hahahaha

[22:27:06]

NinjaNumberNine:

hahahaha

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meshe:

bubye

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NinjaNumberNine:

hahahaha

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NinjaNumberNine:

hahahaha

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Dagmar:

heheh

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kormoc:

NinjaNumberNine, you're banned

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laga:

i'd suggest decreasing the troll threshold a bit

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meshe:

all the kids must be out of school for the summer

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laga:

meshe: meh. another four days for me :)

[22:29:32]

meshe:

lol

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kormoc:

I just feel bad cause I seem to be the only one kickbanning/quieting folks :P

[22:29:51]

meshe:

the one and only thing i miss about being in school is summer break

[22:29:53]

laga:

kormoc: give me ops and thise channel would be a lot quieter :)

[22:30:08]

kormoc:

Heh, I thought you had ops!

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laga:

i don't

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kormoc:

heh

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meshe:

use chanserv and noone will know you did it

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laga:

or i'd have fixed this earlier ;)

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kormoc:

Heh, fair 'nuff

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laga:

might make a nice bachelor's thesis. AI techniques for troll detection. ;)

[22:32:39]

meshe:

you could just train it like a baysien filter

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gbee:

I have to ban/kick myself, no idea how to use chanserv ;)

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meshe:

/msg chanserv help

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meshe:

;)

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kormoc:

slick, shortcuts for quiet have been made :)

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laga:

gbee: i think it's more personal that way. ;)

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laga:

meshe: yeah, something along these lines. although that's a bit harder here

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gbee:

meshe: heh, I know 'help' but there are no ban related actions listed and nothing in associated documentation found by googling

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meshe:

laga: nah, just have it keep a 24 hour log of the channel and tell it when you determine someone is a troll

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gbee:

you've got the auto-kick stuff, but apparently that requires perms greater than mine ;)

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gbee:

unban janneg please ;)

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iamlindoro:

dang it, why does all the fun stuff happen on my commute?

[22:36:42]

iamlindoro:

Good lord, he couldn't even finish the question on his ubuntu post>?

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meshe:

kormoc: is that the quiet option?

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laga:

meshe: i doubt a normal bayesian classifier would work well, ie there's not enough difference in word tokens between a normal user and troll

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meshe:

gbee: yeah, you're right, freenode's services have something to be desired

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Dagmar:

Gotta go with a karma system

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meshe:

kormoc++

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meshe:

iamlindoro--

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meshe:

;)

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kormoc:

:P

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iamlindoro:

awww

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iamlindoro:

I do good things some-the-times

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janneg:

gbee: I banned myself

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kormoc:

ooh, hehe

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NiceGuyPaul:

sorry this is taking so long to get me done(I keep getting interrupted at work), but I can't cd into x11 directory

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kormoc:

ahh, shortcuts in xchat is awesome

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kormoc:

NiceGuyPaul, sudo su -

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gbee:

give clever a couple of hundred points initially, just so he can stay for more than 30 seconds before being auto-kicked

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** kormoc laughs **

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meshe:

lol

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kormoc:

I actually like user's kicking/banning themselves, just so it's on record who did it, so when the bans get removed/cleaned up, someone can say yay or nay

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meshe:

doh

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meshe:

#mythtv-users You need to be a channel operator to do that

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kormoc:

BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL!

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Favorite line from Hot Fuzz

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meshe:

if you do a karma engine, you need to be above the average karma to affect another person's karma

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meshe:

s/(need)/should $1/

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NiceGuyPaul:

Case sensitive folder switching!

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iamlindoro:

umm.. yes :)

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gbee:

oh, I now see how Freenode apply their bans, through flags

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kormoc:

aye

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gbee:

meh, easier to op and ban the old fashioned way

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iamlindoro:

with pitchforks and torches?

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iamlindoro:

ah, the dark ages, when they *knew* how to permaban

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Dagmar:

Malformed IP headers?

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NiceGuyPaul:

How to edit xorg.conf from command line? Vi acts weird. I try to arrow and it puts in a b.

[22:47:30]

kormoc:

NiceGuyPaul, use vim

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NiceGuyPaul:

not installed

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meshe:

hehe

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NiceGuyPaul:

get error on apt-get for it, anything else

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meshe:

sudo gedit xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

Just try typing `vim`

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Dagmar:

or that bit meshe typed

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NiceGuyPaul:

(gedit:9754): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

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NiceGuyPaul:

when it rains...

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meshe:

sudo pico xorg.conf

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meshe:

sudo nano xorg.conf

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meshe:

in vi h=left j=down k=up l=left

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meshe:

er

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meshe:

l=right

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iamlindoro:

nanooooooo!

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meshe:

yeah, iamlindoro codes in nano

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iamlindoro:

proudly so

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NiceGuyPaul:

command in pico for save this so I can finally watch some damn tv :)

[22:52:38]

NiceGuyPaul:

says ^O ?

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meshe:

ctrl O

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gbee:

Shift-O

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gbee:

heh

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meshe:

^ usually means ctrl

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gbee:

emacs ftw

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meshe:

ick, vim ftw

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kormoc:

so how do write O with emacs if O saves the buffer?

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Guest91866:

Hi again! So I've just finished the downgrade from .22 to .21, dropped the old database and created an empty new one. I am on a Fedora 11 x86_64 system with an hauppauge HVR4000 TV card. I'm not able to scan for channels on any of Analog or DVB-T (DVB-S not tried yet). Is the channel scanner broken or I am missing something?

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kormoc:

Guest91866, what's the logs say when you try?

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gbee:

kormoc: it doesn't, Ctrl-S saves in emacs (had to actually start emacs to check that, since I do it by instinct)

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meshe:

:wq

[22:55:08]

kormoc:

ooh :P

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kormoc:

ESC:wq

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** meshe clicks the save button **

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gbee:

actually Ctrl-x,s

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NiceGuyPaul:

Need to restart Jaunty for changes to x?

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iamlindoro:

just restart x

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NiceGuyPaul:

with command?

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gbee:

which I usually follow with Ctrl-x,c (exit)

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meshe:

ctrl-alt-backspace

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NiceGuyPaul:

sorry for being lame at the command line.

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iamlindoro:

they've blocked ctrl-alt-bkspc in jaunty :(

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meshe:

what?

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meshe:

grrrr

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

NiceGuyPaul, Just use the "logout" in the menu

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gbee:

these days I use Kate for programming, emacs/vi interchangeably for editing configs etc

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GreyFoxx:

Find DontZap in the config file and comment it out

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iamlindoro:

that'll restart X

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, here's something naughty....

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gbee:

iamlindoro: in Mandriva 2009.1 too :/

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, they patched it, dontzap FAILS

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GreyFoxx:

What ? So you are forced to have dontzap enabled all the time ?

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Guest91866:

kormoc: On analog TV it doesn't say anything in the log... it just timeout while scanning ($ mythtv-setup -v channelscan)

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gbee:

I thought it was a change made by X, rather than the distros since it happened at the same time

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, yep, I don't even have dontzap in my conf file

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Guest91866:

kormok: On DVB I'm trying now...

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GreyFoxx:

maybe there is a master config they are importing from somewhere other than /etc/X11 ?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, maybe

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meshe:

i'd try it, but i have way too much open right now

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iamlindoro:

pew pew

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iamlindoro:

just hit it a dozen or so times

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iamlindoro:

heh, works for gbee

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GreyFoxx:

is it true that ubuntu doesnt come with vi by default ?

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iamlindoro:

it does

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GreyFoxx:

You have to explicitly add it back later ?

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kormoc:

mine came with vi but not vim

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

someone toldme they no longer include vi in the default install

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kormoc:

poor gbee

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laga:

ubuntu comes with a crippled version of vim by default. install vim-full to get the real thing. not sure about the vi thing, though

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iamlindoro:

I've got vi and have never explicitly installed it

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kormoc:

ooh, that might have been the problem

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, vim if renamed/symlinked as vi will act like vi

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kormoc:

ls -l `which vi`

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iamlindoro:

are absolutely right

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iamlindoro:

it's vim

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** kormoc shoots ubuntu **

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kormoc:

WTF is /etc/alternatives and why is it critical for the system to run...

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

I see what they did there... I hate them, oh so much

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laga:

alternatives is good?

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kormoc:

laga, so /usr/bin/vi is symlinked to /etc/alternatives/vi which is symlinked to /usr/bin/vim.basic

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laga:

kormoc: yeah. so what?

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laga:

i think the java stuff is even worse ;)

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kormoc:

breaks the entire point of having the binaries in /usr/bin doesn't it?

[23:05:19]

meshe:

wow, that's funny: cat /etc/alternatives/vim

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meshe:

just triggered my printer

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kormoc:

if /etc isn't mounted for some reason, no binaries work unless you know the magic!

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laga:

kormoc: having /usr/ mounted but not /etc sounds.. broken ;) gotta make do with /bin

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laga:

i can see your point, though

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kormoc:

laga, just recently my box had the master /etc inode corrupted, so it was just gone, but everything else was there, I was able to work with it and figure out what's going on without resorting to minimalmistic...

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kormoc:

laga, and a pile of /bin is also pointing though /etc/alternatives

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laga:

kormoc: well, vim.basic is still there ;)

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kormoc:

it's non-standard magic that you'll have to know, when vim fails to run to know to run vim.basic instead...

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laga:

vim<tab>?

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laga:

apt-get is non-standard magic as well, so what? ;)

[23:09:10]

kormoc:

bah

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kormoc:

I wouldn't think to run vim<tab> when vim comes back as '/etc/alternatives/vim: no such file or directory'

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[23:11:08]

laga:

good thing you know now :)

[23:11:57]

iamlindoro___:

gah, ubuntu updates render myth uncompileable, news at 11

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kormoc:

I'm hoping to never deal with Ubuntu in the world...

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laga:

kormoc: alternatives comes from debian :)

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kormoc:

At least Debian doesn't trigger my "This company is working for evil" reaction

[23:13:39]

iamlindoro___:

I *do* quite like Ubuntu and feel like they give a lot back

[23:13:47]

iamlindoro___:

just smack my head at some decisions

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kormoc:

iamlindoro___, heh, they also pay other OSS developers to not work on their projects anymore, which is something I can not condone

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neoteny:

i use ubuntu for mostly one reason: ship-it

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iamlindoro___:

kormoc, Who'd they do that with? (not denying, just never heard that)

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kormoc:

iamlindoro___, a few of my friends were Gentoo Developers, early on when Gentoo was still the 'hawt' new distro on the block, Conical paid a bunch of Gentoo devs to sign a contract to never submit work to the Gentoo project again

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iamlindoro___:

heh, naughty

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kormoc:

and they paid *well*

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NiceGuyPaul:

Hello again. changing xorg.conf did not change driver: (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810

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kormoc:

NiceGuyPaul, that's likely the right driver, intel: means the drive is the intel driver, else it'd say i810: Driver for...

[23:16:52]

NiceGuyPaul:

ok, still a blue screen for playback, any ideas to try?

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kormoc:

Did you check to see if you could increase the video ram in the bios?

[23:17:29]

NiceGuyPaul:

Did not, see you in a minute.

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Guest91866:

Sorry, Just a stupid question... in order to generate the mythconverg database, is it ok to manually create it in mysql and then open mythtv-setup? Or It is better to manually execute mc.sql?

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kormoc:

mc.sql

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kormoc:

it's more then just a CREATE DATABASE; (not much more, but...)

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** iamlindoro___ roars at stupid nvidia packaged drivers **

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kormoc:

NiceGuyPaul, any luck?

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NiceGuyPaul:

no such luck

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NiceGuyPaul:

I guess I could go steal a video card out of another machine to isolate the issue.

[23:24:50]

NiceGuyPaul:

If you don't have any other quick ideas of course.

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** iamlindoro lights a candle, calls and old priest and a young priest to help remove distro-packaged video drivers **

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iamlindoro:

er calls an

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kormoc:

Stale incense! Old sweat! And lies, lies, lies!

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iamlindoro:

Did you just... NiN me?

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kormoc:

It's likely

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iamlindoro:

I feel dirty

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** iamlindoro showers **

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iamlindoro:

can't... get... clean...

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I have exorcised the demons, don't know what I had in mind trying to use packaged video drivers, but it was a naughty, naughty thing to do

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CoreDump|cf-18:

god I hate that commercials with like 150% of the original volume

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CoreDump|cf-18:

*are played*

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iamlindoro:

Commercia-whatnow?

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CoreDump|cf-18:

yeah yeah I know, live-tv is not exactly popular here

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, to be fair, it was in a poem long before it was a NIN lyric

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CoreDump|cf-18:

there should be a plugin detecting the suddely raised volume and mutes it instead ;)

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iamlindoro:

why does everything need to be a plugin?

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iamlindoro:

how about just a patch?

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CoreDump|cf-18:

true

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meshe:

so, commercial detection :)

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** kormoc wonders why there isn't a patch fork called ipatch **

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6279 lays the groundwork

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meshe:

kormoc: silly, because apple hasn't release it yet

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meshe:

wow, my typing sucks today

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kormoc:

ha

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kormoc:

ipatch.org, "the intuitive patch maker for Mac OS X"

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meshe:

haha

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I wonder what you think about adding a "delete" button to the recording schedules page in mythweb

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, deleting rules is kind of a pain sometiems as you have to enter each, set it to not record, save, and repeat

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