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Saturday, July 11th, 2009, 00:03 UTC

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MrErr:

I am not able to watch livetv on my myhttv box. Is there anyone here who can help?

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SHADOW_V:

can you record

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iamlindoro:

you need to check your logs, specifically your backend logs-- you can pastebin them here and someone will likely look, but asking for volunteers is generally unsucessful here

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MrErr:

by paste bin do you mean just paste the whole log in here?

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iamlindoro:

no, I mean use a pastebin

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iamlindoro:

mythtv.pastebin.ca

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MrErr:

hmmm ,,, nice to learn something new :)

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MrErr:

i cannot record using myhttv. I can watch tv and record using vlc. I am using the hdhomerun for tuners.

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MrErr:

the pastebin site seems real slow.

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SHADOW_V:

MrErr, agan paste the logs thats the only way someone can know whats going on

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MrErr:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1491293

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MrErr:

that is the url for what i pasted.

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MrErr:

any help you all give would be really appreciated.

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iamlindoro:

That looks an awful lot like a frontend log

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iamlindoro:

in fact, it is one

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iamlindoro:

which is the exact opposite of what we asked for ;)

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MrErr:

it is the output of the mythtv command at the command prompt.

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iamlindoro:

Which is the frontend

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iamlindoro:

erm... and you don't run "mythtv"

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iamlindoro:

ever

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MrErr:

where are the backend logs?

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iamlindoro:

wherever your init script sends them, but I'll randomly guess /var/log/mythtv/

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iamlindoro:

and don't run mythtv

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iamlindoro:

"mythfrontend" is the command to start myth

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msaul_:

wagnerrp: I think I got that XvMc problem solved with my Hauppauge HVR card and NVIDIA 7600 GS card....

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MrErr:

hthe backend log has 4208 lines, how many would you need?

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msaul_:

I needed to update some options in xorg.conf file. OTA signals now run very well – no chop...

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MrErr:

ok here are some lines from the backend log. http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1491329

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iamlindoro:

2009-07–10 19:08:31.261 SG(LiveTV) Error: FindNextDirMostFree: 'LiveTV' does not exist!

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iamlindoro:

You set up the liveTV recording group to an invalid path

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msaul_:

I only notice chop for those OTA HD stations if the menu is displayed or any graphic in addition to channel appears on the screen. Once those graphics are off the screen – no problem...

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MrErr:

So where do i create this directory?

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iamlindoro:

You put something like "LiveTV"

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SHADOW_V:

iamlindoro, that shows i am learning the first thing i looked at was that

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juski:

damn those plain English error messages again!

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iamlindoro:

wherever you want

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iamlindoro:

it just has to exist and the backend user needs r/w access to it

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iamlindoro:

"liveTV" is not a real path

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iamlindoro:

/filthyporno/ is

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iamlindoro:

/MythTV/midgeporn/ is

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iamlindoro:

"LiveTV" is not

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-setup, step 5

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iamlindoro:

fix paths, create the dirs, give them appropriate permissions, restart backend

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MrErr:

so does /flithyp0rn/ need to exist as a directory?

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iamlindoro:

only if you want to be able to put things there

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iamlindoro:

ie only if you want myth to work

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iamlindoro:

Myth helpfully warns you about these things when you try to leave mythtv-setup ya know...

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MrErr:

and by "/" you mean the root?

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iamlindoro:

that question hurts my head a little

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iamlindoro:

an absolute path always begins with /

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MrErr:

ok i see what you mean.

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iamlindoro:

so yes, the first / is technically the root of the filesystem

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iamlindoro:

so /home/MrErr/recordings would be a valid absolute path

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iamlindoro:

again, permissions to the dir are important

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SHADOW_V:

iamlindoro, want some camomile tea

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MrErr:

OK let me get all that fixed up and see what happens.

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** iamlindoro waits to solve the inevitable permissions problem **

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MrErr:

don't you think chmod a+rwx work?

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SHADOW_V:

chown so others wont groan

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SHADOW_V:

hey thats a good one

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iamlindoro:

that overdoes it, but will most likely work

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dustybin:

chmod -v 755

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

ignore dustybin, he's a moron

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dustybin:

[FAIL]

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msaul_:

Is there a tweak to prevent choppy playback with HD channels when menu appears (should I do something like: setpci -s 00:1f.1 latency_timer=20

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msaul_:

)?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, turn off the OSD fade

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wagnerrp:

what could adjusting PCI lantency possibly do?

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msaul_:

OK, will do that – thanks

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msaul_:

Not sure, just saw it in posts dealing with this matter...

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msaul_:

I will turn off the OSD fade and see what happens

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wagnerrp:

the ONLY time i have ever seen PCI latency remarks is in dealing with specific tuner cards

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msaul_:

OK

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msaul_:

Do you work with FTA SAT?

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wagnerrp:

graphics should never even touch the PCI bus

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wagnerrp:

nope, not interested in anything available in the US over FTA Sat

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** dustybin makes everyone a coffee and lays out some biscuits **

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** SHADOW_V gets some peon to do a taste test **

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msaul_:

I have had success with Galaxy10R satellite at cottage

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msaul_:

last year tons of shows via Retro Television Network, but switched to AMC9 due to bankruptcy issues...

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msaul_:

At cottage, used a ViewSat lite receiver...

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msaul_:

was wondering if anyone had a really good resource for FTA SAT (detailed) setup...

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wagnerrp:

theres only a handful of mythtv uses attempting that in the US

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wagnerrp:

*users

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msaul_:

Well, I'll try and blog the results... I'm going to try to get a rotor... and get a better quality LNB...

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msaul_:

Anyways, I will try your suggestion regarding turning off OSD fade... thx

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MrErr:

OK everyone ... it works. Thank you iamlindoro.

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iamlindoro:

np

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dan__t:

The other day someoine linked me to a JPG schematic for a simple serial IR blaster.

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dan__t:

ANyone recall what that was, please?

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dan__t:

I was on the machine at home... now I'm at work.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.lirc.org/improved_transmitter.html

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iamlindoro:

probably that one

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iamlindoro:

or one of the others at lirc.org

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iamlindoro:

http://www.lirc.org/transmitters.html

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gbee:

if that's simple ....

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gbee:

buying an MCE remote/blaster kit is what I call simple

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Only linking that one because I think I recalled that being the one he was linked to

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iamlindoro:

indeed, MCEUSB +1000!

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iamlindoro:

plus you get one of the best remotes you can use w/ Myth

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iamlindoro:

well worth it in saved hair and good remote IMO

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iamlindoro:

jams, which ticket is your about popup?

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iamlindoro:

oh, #4571, found it

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dan__t:

AWesome, thank you.

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dan__t:

I don't know if/where I can find a kit in town

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dan__t:

Fry's Electronics might have one.

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gbee:

heh, so the reboot option works

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

jams, I like your popup menu, it's a nice little touch that any "appliance" DVR would have an option for

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gbee:

just tidying up the patch, given the time I won't commit it until tomorrow

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gbee:

I think the About stuff should become a proper screen eventually

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gbee:

and it could then show other info, such as loaded plugins, a brief description of myth, a major contributor list, all the sort of junk you find in most application "About" screens

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iamlindoro:

If you did want it to be a proper screen, any reason not to add it to system info? (While hopefully replacing the buttonlists with multiline text areas)

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gbee:

one place is as good as another

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Keeping in mind that I am *not* asking/suggesting anything, wondered if you had designs on multiline text edit or scrolling text areas before .22

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gbee:

we need a multiline text edit for 0.22 so I'll have to find time for that, mostly written the scrolling textareas, though it was a bit buggy and it all depends on available time

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gbee:

anyway, g'night

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iamlindoro:

night

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

Refurb Harmony 550, $30

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iamlindoro:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001NLZ17W

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iamlindoro:

Wow, Alien Nation reboot, now

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GreyFoxx:

Wooo, just scanned my QAM channels and found that 4 movie channels are now in the clear... hdtv movie channels

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GreyFoxx:

Along with a Fox channel from Seattle which is not part of their channel offerings or on any channel list for them I an find

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purserj:

GreyFoxx: you found teh sekret fox "Keeping the Illuminati Informed" channel?

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GreyFoxx:

apparently :)

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jams:

thanks iamlindoro, i like it

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jams:

just my .02 but i would hate to see the brief version of "about" moved to the status screen.

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rooaus:

jams: I have dreams of using a menu based popup to bring up the background music player or message stack when notifications etc are implemented, your patch sounds like the start of that. V .Cool

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balloooza:

hi I am wondering about a particular situation: what tuner card should I buy to recieve comcast digital chanells (it should be doable) it would be better if you used yoursely, but anything would help

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balloooza:

yoursely = yourself

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balloooza:

I woud prefer not to rent a whole box, as it would ruin the purpose

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jams:

thanks rooaus, it is a baby step towards what you propose

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jams:

balloooza- the mythtv wiki has a list of some older cards that will work

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balloooza:

so this is not supported (by the older part) anymore

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balloooza:

I didn't accualy mean that, basicly is is doable

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jams:

odds are very high your only going to get the local channels

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jams:

everything else will be encrypted

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jams:

comcast isn't known for being nice like that

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jams:

your could check here to see what others are reporting for your area http://www.silicondust.com/resources

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jams:

man i just love my mx880's best remote i have every owned

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dan__t:

hey awalls, re: earlier, I got the card to work. It works very well.

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dan__t:

Using it as an IR blaster is another story. I'm going to save myself some grief and just pick up/make a serial blaster.

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jblack:

get a mce remote. Lots of buttons, works fine — as long as your lirc/kernel isn't old and you don't have an insignia tv

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awalls:

Well the i2c subsystem just went though a few changes which may have broken lirc

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awalls:

There are some changes I will eventually need to make to the cx18 driver to get the Z8 chip working.

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awalls:

I can't remeber the details of when I need to get it done so users won't notice. :/

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jblack:

Some day, when I have money, I'm going to get a more powerful front end. And a more powerful backend. And more drives. And switch from wireless to ethernet. And actually watch hdtv. It'll be sweet

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dan__t:

Welp, I'll test for you, for what its worth.

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dan__t:

I don't so much need the receiver working right now, moreso the blaster.

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awalls:

OK. I'll sort out what I need to do. lirc_pvr150 (or now lirc_zilog) enables the blaster

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awalls:

It's a hassle to set up

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awalls:

You can't change the remote codes library either

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awalls:

Hopefully one remote in the library supports the box you have

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dan__t:

Didn't find any that were explicitly defined as working for this box, but that doesn't mean they won't work, I don't think.

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jams:

ack the pvr150 blaster avoid that thing

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dan__t:

Consider it avoided.

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awalls:

Check the linux-media mail archives for Jean Delvare's emails from about 4 April 2009

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awalls:

One day I hope to write new firmware for the Z8F0811 chip and allow an open source library to drive it.

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awalls:

But I have no time really.

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dan__t:

No worries :)

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dan__t:

I appreciate your efforts.

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dan__t:

So what do they call it when MythTV can't change a channel? Aside from "a drag", is there a technical name to describe this?

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dan__t:

I think I read "live TV"?

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awalls:

MythTV not changing a channel is called "MythTV" being broken.

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awalls:

What can't you change analog or digital

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awalls:

?

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dan__t:

analog.

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iamlindoro:

mythtv not changing a channel is called the user being broken, usually

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dan__t:

I'd still like to at least have half of the mythtv experience.

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awalls:

dann_t: try and change the channel behind mythtv's back

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dan__t:

Well, eyeah, that's what I'm getting at.

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wagnerrp:

Eureka fails at basic physics

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dan__t:

From that, however, mythtv can't "tell" which channel I'm on, right?

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wagnerrp:

they claimed your weight does not decrease in an antigravity field

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awalls:

Actually you should stop mythtv's frontend and the backend

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awalls:

and test with mplayer

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awalls:

Just to eliminate variables.

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dan__t:

I have done so, and it works.

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awalls:

Load the cx18 module with the debug option set to....

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awalls:

51 to turn on warning, info, file and ioctl debugging

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dan__t:

Hmmmm, odd... it was working last night. Now, its scrambled.

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dan__t:

WIll do, hold on.

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awalls:

Then watch what shows up in /var/log/messages when MythTV is supposed to be changing channels

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rooaus:

wagnerrp: Well mass sounded sooo geeky so they just swapped it for a synonym.... #EEDITOR

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balloooza:

I am on with comcast online support, and it is not that helpfull, can any of you tell me if you are using comcast cable on your system WITH OR WITHOUT a cable box

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awalls:

An HVR-1600 works with North American cable (unencrypted channels)

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balloooza:

also what is the status on the whole thing with the firewire on the cable boxes, dose it work to interface as a tuner?

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dan__t:

rmmod'ing and insmod'ing it clears it up...

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dan__t:

I understand that, awalls.

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dan__t:

I'm coming in from the analog out of my receiver.

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balloooza:

awalls: what is unencrypted (is cnn encrypted)

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awalls:

I was answering ballooza

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dan__t:

Oh, sorry.

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awalls:

I don't know, I don't have cable here in the sticks.

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awalls:

np

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dan__t:

That sucks.

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iamlindoro:

balloooza, Generally speaking, the only digital channels which will be unencrypted are NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, the Cw, and whatever local access channels you have

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iamlindoro:

balloooza, There are some locations where the basic lineup is unencrypted, but the vast majority is as above

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iamlindoro:

all other recording needs to be captured with a cable box using analog outputs from that box

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balloooza:

OK, so what can I use to get encrypted channels what about the ati tv wonder?

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awalls:

dan_t: rmmod and insmod clears what up exactly?

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iamlindoro:

balloooza, The cable box, and analog outputs of your box

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iamlindoro:

+ an analog capture device

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iamlindoro:

No cablecard or similar in linux

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dan__t:

prior to the rmmod, the picture per mplayer was scrambled

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dan__t:

after insmod'ing it again, the picture is back again.

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balloooza:

so ati tv wonder !linux

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dan__t:

I've done a lot of hacking on this so its entirely possible I inadvertently did something, and just now reset it with rmmod/insmod.

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iamlindoro:

balloooza, If you mean the ATI Cablecard capture devices, no, no linux, and never linux.

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awalls:

dan__t: That sounds odd.

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awalls:

How did you get the unit to start working given your CPU start problem?

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balloooza:

so how would I connect a box to the computer? (controll the channel)

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iamlindoro:

balloooza, Again, box->analog outputs->analog capture device in a PC

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iamlindoro:

and you'd control via an IR blaster, or if you have a little luck, firewire

[03:09:15]

balloooza:

firewire... I have read that that is possible

[03:09:35]

balloooza:

what (besides a diy) would you recomend for the ir blaster

[03:09:58]

iamlindoro:

MCE remote/receiver/blaster

[03:10:17]

balloooza:

mce, is that a brand

[03:10:29]

iamlindoro:

No, it's a type

[03:10:36]

balloooza:

iamalindoro

[03:10:42]

iamlindoro:

that's a name

[03:10:42]

balloooza:

sorry

[03:10:52]

iamlindoro:

and it's even almost my name

[03:11:06]

balloooza:

iamalindoro: what one is the best (newegg?)

[03:11:13]

iamlindoro:

still *almost* my name

[03:11:15]

awalls:

The MCE thingy is a Philips eHome blah blah something or other

[03:11:17]

iamlindoro:

type iam, then tab

[03:11:34]

dan__t:

So do those MCE kits work well?

[03:11:36]

balloooza:

iamlindoro: what one is the best (newegg?)

[03:11:40]

iamlindoro:

Yes, you can buy then at newegg, or with the better packages of hauppauge capture cards, etc.

[03:11:43]

balloooza:

(tada)

[03:11:43]

iamlindoro:

them

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awalls:

Its OEM'ed to a number of big name PC mfrs

[03:11:51]

iamlindoro:

Yes, the MCE remotes/blaster work nicelt

[03:11:52]

iamlindoro:

y

[03:12:17]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote

[03:12:24]

dan__t:

yeah been reading that.

[03:12:51]

balloooza:

So, what is the quality like getting it from a cable box

[03:12:55]

awalls:

I have on I use for IR Rx. Never used the blaster. (That's not how I roll)

[03:13:06]

balloooza:

(I suppose it depends on the card too)

[03:13:13]

iamlindoro:

yes, depends on the card

[03:13:15]

awalls:

/on/one/

[03:13:25]

iamlindoro:

resolution is also tied into the device used for capture

[03:13:43]

iamlindoro:

You will be capturing SD unless you purchase a Hauppauge HD-PVR

[03:13:45]

balloooza:

would svideo look good on a 42 inch (in general, if I spent $120)

[03:13:54]

iamlindoro:

which is not yet supported in a myth release (but is in the forthcoming version)

[03:14:09]

iamlindoro:

Anything else will be varying qualities of SD

[03:14:36]

iamlindoro:

balloooza, Your question lacks the requisite information to give any answer

[03:14:50]

iamlindoro:

ie, are you capturing in SD/HD? What codec? What bitrates? Displaying to Sd or HD?

[03:15:03]

balloooza:

what about the HD-5500, and a motorala cable box'

[03:15:13]

iamlindoro:

the Hd-5500 is a QAM tuner

[03:15:21]

iamlindoro:

you can't capture digital from a cable box

[03:15:27]

balloooza:

ah

[03:15:42]

iamlindoro:

you need an *analog* capture device to capture from the box

[03:16:01]

iamlindoro:

the preferred cards for that purpose are cards like the PVR-150, 500, HVR-1600, or if you need/want HD, the Hauppauge HD-PVR

[03:16:16]

awalls:

Get a hybrid analog digital card and a splitter.

[03:16:21]

balloooza:

did somone say the hd-pvr si not supported

[03:16:23]

iamlindoro:

Note that again, the Hauppauge HD-PVR will not be supported until .22, which should come soon

[03:16:35]

awalls:

Digital side for clear QAM and analog side for analog from the cable box.

[03:16:47]

iamlindoro:

and yes, awalls advice is sound, an HVR-1600 is probably a decent starting point

[03:17:03]

iamlindoro:

Then if you need HD capture of premium channels you can add an HD-PVR shortly

[03:17:29]

awalls:

plus I'm not sure you can buy a new PVR-150 anymore in the US

[03:17:35]

iamlindoro:

Not new usually, no

[03:17:40]

iamlindoro:

but eBay is still a decent source

[03:17:48]

awalls:

yes.

[03:17:49]

balloooza:

when is .22

[03:17:54]

iamlindoro:

"soon"

[03:18:00]

iamlindoro:

expect the next month or two

[03:18:28]

awalls:

I just like the HVR-1600 for the Picture in Picture

[03:18:35]

balloooza:

iamlindoro: that is reasonable, and is it "automatic"

[03:18:42]

awalls:

(good MythTV feature BTW)

[03:18:44]

iamlindoro:

balloooza, is what automatic?

[03:18:55]

balloooza:

plug-n-play

[03:19:19]

iamlindoro:

balloooza, The device? Depends on your dirsto, should be *mostly* supported out of the box w/ most recent Ubuntu AFAIK

[03:19:26]

iamlindoro:

er distro

[03:19:53]

balloooza:

so ubuntu jaunty supports it, but not mythtv?

[03:20:04]

iamlindoro:

Myth doesn't provide support for individual cards

[03:20:20]

iamlindoro:

They have linux support and thus work in myth, or they don't

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balloooza:

but I thought you said the hd-pvr was supported in the .22 release

[03:21:24]

iamlindoro:

The HD-PVR is a special case, and support for that is still generally speaking provided by underlying OS support

[03:21:44]

iamlindoro:

the HD-PVR needs a small amount of special code in Myth as it's a unique type of capture device

[03:22:38]

iamlindoro:

Myth provides interfaces for capture card "types" like DVB, generic v4l, mpeg-2 encoders, etc. A new card "type" requires new code

[03:23:10]

balloooza:

so this is for sure in the .22 release, and it will be available for ubuntu

[03:23:41]

iamlindoro:

Yes, it will be supported in .22 (as it currently works in the development code) and yes, someone will doubtless pckage .22 for ubuntu

[03:23:49]

iamlindoro:

most likely on the very day that .22 is out, I would imagine

[03:24:21]

balloooza:

so... technicly it works now... (I am fermiliar with svn stuff, and its unstability)

[03:24:56]

balloooza:

(I do not mind testing somthinf

[03:24:58]

balloooza:

g

[03:25:19]

iamlindoro:

Yes, it works in the development code, but you will receive no help whatsoever with it, and as you seem to be new to both television capture and myth, it is very very unlikely you will manage to get it working

[03:25:41]

iamlindoro:

as the basic theory questions you have been asking are things you need to know cold to have any chance with myth development code

[03:26:02]

iamlindoro:

and asking questions about it in here will make people (myself included) say not nice things to you

[03:26:20]

balloooza:

what about the "outs" on the hd-pvr, will they work too

[03:26:26]

iamlindoro:

the Hd-PVR doesn't have outs

[03:26:33]

iamlindoro:

it has inputs, and passthrough

[03:27:52]

dan__t:

When hitting up "Watch TV", MythTV kinda locks up for a second, then dumps me back to the screen. I see this in the logs: 2009-07–10 20:26:16.735 Channel(/dev/video0) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(1): Failed to find Channel

[03:28:45]

balloooza:

I think I will go with the ahh, all my tabs in firefox are gone

[03:29:14]

balloooza:

somtimes when I open up like 150 of them on multiple windows, it suckes up all my memory and crashes

[03:29:26]

awalls:

dan__t: I'd have to comb through the MythTV source code to figure that one out.

[03:29:49]

iamlindoro:

sounds like you haven't added any channels

[03:29:50]

awalls:

a failure to "find" implies a database operation to me.

[03:30:23]

iamlindoro:

or empty fields where it expects to find them

[03:30:30]

iamlindoro:

ergo, no channels added

[03:30:41]

awalls:

Yup.

[03:30:58]

dan__t:

Something that mythfilldatabase would have done?

[03:31:02]

balloooza:

thank you for the help and the intro to myth, you are a wealth of knoledge, and I hole I did not bother you too much

[03:31:04]

awalls:

no.

[03:31:09]

awalls:

mythtv-setup

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awalls:

iamlindoro: I apologize for the "MythTV is broken" jab

[03:32:23]

dan__t:

Guess I'm still kind of fuzzy on how mythtv "finds" channels, through scanning or otherwise. It can't very well scan if it has no way to increment the channel on the STB and such, right?

[03:32:35]

iamlindoro:

awalls, no offense taken :)

[03:32:50]

awalls:

You still have to scan to let if find channel 3

[03:32:53]

iamlindoro:

dan__t, For analog channels, myth retrieves them from the listings source, usually Schedules Direct

[03:32:55]

wagnerrp:

but it is broken....

[03:33:05]

wagnerrp:

if it werent, we wouldnt need to work on it any longer

[03:33:07]

dan__t:

I've got a SchedulesDirect account, that seems to be tied in well.

[03:33:13]

iamlindoro:

s/broken/unfinished/

[03:33:20]

dan__t:

I even imported the channels, downloaded icons etc etc.

[03:33:22]

awalls:

Or you set that capture card to line-in as the default source.

[03:33:38]

iamlindoro:

dan__t, Then the channels are retrieved with the "Fetch channels from listing source" button

[03:33:44]

iamlindoro:

awalls, Even with that, you still need to add channels

[03:33:55]

iamlindoro:

Myth needs at least one channel added to start television

[03:34:16]

iamlindoro:

ie w/ the line in, you add the source, and set an external tuning script/program to change channels on the box

[03:34:25]

dan__t:

Yeah.

[03:34:33]

iamlindoro:

You can "fake it" by doing that and setting something like /bin/true as your channel change script

[03:34:34]

awalls:

ah. That's probably not so convenient with the analog turn off in the US. I guess you can do a manual add

[03:34:42]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: what was it you wanted me to check? something about .evo playback after the recent sync?

[03:34:50]

iamlindoro:

awalls, Well, w/ digital it's different. Then you do scan.

[03:34:51]

dan__t:

Ah good idea, iamlindoro.

[03:35:09]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, play an EVO, switch to the TrueHD track, report results

[03:35:25]

dan__t:

I still use a card type of IVTV MPEG-2 Encoder Card with this 1600, right?

[03:35:31]

wagnerrp:

i can change that through the 'm' menu right?

[03:35:31]

iamlindoro:

dan__t, In this scenario you will still need to add channels, though, so fetch them from SD

[03:35:34]

iamlindoro:

dan__t, correct

[03:35:36]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yeah

[03:35:41]

dan__t:

Fetched.

[03:35:52]

iamlindoro:

(or you can test the correct default behavior by applying my AVFormatDecoder patch)

[03:35:59]

wagnerrp:

ok... gonna have to re-rip something

[03:36:11]

wagnerrp:

i had forgotten and deleted the spare evos i had laying around

[03:36:30]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Thanks, if you are like me, you should get half-rate video and white noise audio

[03:36:54]

wagnerrp:

im doing all this through analog output

[03:37:01]

wagnerrp:

no spdif/hdmi

[03:37:08]

wagnerrp:

if that matters

[03:37:08]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I've tested on both with same results

[03:37:28]

iamlindoro:

I'm rather convinced you'll see the same as I've tested on multiple machines, but moer eyes are always good

[03:37:32]

iamlindoro:

er more

[03:38:20]

wagnerrp:

is it a problem with the demuxer or the decoder? (will VDPAU matter?)

[03:38:45]

iamlindoro:

I don't think it's a decoder problem, I think it's an internal player problem

[03:39:00]

iamlindoro:

I've managed to demux and decode the audio with equivalent ffmpeg

[03:39:09]

iamlindoro:

VDPAU shouldn't matter

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wagnerrp:

i guess i may as well start on the series, rather than pull a movie ive already ripped

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awalls:

dan_t: turn off debugging on the cx18 module: su root; echo 0> /sys/module/cx18/parameters/debug

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awalls:

otherwise the file debugging will fill your logs on read()

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awalls:

bye.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gee, trunk compiles better with qt4 than qt3.3... ;-) (duh!) ;-)

[04:07:42]

iamlindoro:

much much better

[04:07:59]

iamlindoro:

well, with 4.4+ anyway

[04:08:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehehe... ;-)

[04:09:42]

wagnerrp:

damned windows...

[04:09:51]

wagnerrp:

something in the background booped

[04:10:06]

wagnerrp:

i cant find anything running in the background that would have triggered a boop

[04:10:22]

wagnerrp:

so now ive got some program warning me of something, and i have no idea what

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dan__t:

So which "Default Input" should I be using with this Hauppauge 1600? Which input relates to which port? Some are named the same with an incremental number, etc etc.

[04:39:07]

dan__t:

It does default to Tuner 1, is that what I should be using?

[04:42:00]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: its not playing static per se

[04:42:10]

wagnerrp:

i hear some blips of white noise

[04:42:19]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It's variable

[04:42:20]

wagnerrp:

but its mainly just the audio playing at very low speed

[04:42:35]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Can play a few moments then some blips on some, white noise only on others

[04:42:40]

wagnerrp:

so the pitch is significantly reduced

[04:42:48]

iamlindoro:

yes, exactly half speed/pitch

[04:43:02]

iamlindoro:

yep, consistent with my experience

[04:43:10]

wagnerrp:

im guess its just a problem with the decoder not being able to handle the audio at half speed

[04:43:19]

wagnerrp:

but yeah, its playing at half speed, thats the key part

[04:43:48]

iamlindoro:

if you look at the logs you'll see it's actually myth reducing the speed by half

[04:43:55]

iamlindoro:

to "catch up"

[04:44:06]

iamlindoro:

so it's misinterpreting something

[04:44:20]

iamlindoro:

anyway, ffmpeg itself has no such problem so it's definitely an internal play proble

[04:44:21]

iamlindoro:

m

[04:44:35]

iamlindoro:

good to have it reproduced elsewhere, though, thanks

[04:46:08]

wagnerrp:

now this is odd...

[04:46:14]

wagnerrp:

recording started at 10pm

[04:46:19]

wagnerrp:

no errors or anything

[04:46:30]

wagnerrp:

recording ended at 11pm (all in the logs), still no errors

[04:47:01]

wagnerrp:

the recording is 400MB and 4.5min long

[04:49:14]

wagnerrp:

the second recording worked, but the log is full of errors

[04:49:23]

wagnerrp:

yeah, im moving the HDHR back to my SBE

[04:50:00]

iamlindoro:

sigh, well I've got Monkey Island basically working under WINE... minus audio

[04:50:29]

wagnerrp:

i should just be able to swap hostnames in card table right? i dont want to have to shuffle around a dozen virtual tuners again....

[04:51:02]

iamlindoro:

yes, that should work I think

[04:52:14]

wagnerrp:

looks like its just mythconverg.capturecard.hostname

[04:56:44]

iamlindoro:

YAY AUDIO!

[04:56:55]

iamlindoro:

NOW I CAN HAZ MONEEZ!

[04:56:57]

iamlindoro:

MONKEEZ!

[04:57:12]

iamlindoro:

there went sleep tonight...

[04:57:21]

wagnerrp:

heh

[04:57:35]

wagnerrp:

normal people would just install a windows box

[04:57:43]

iamlindoro:

bah!

[04:58:34]

wagnerrp:

i mean you obviously have a copy somewhere, for your anydvd virtual machine

[04:58:56]

iamlindoro:

sure, but I'm not going to waste a whole partition/setup for windows

[04:59:15]

** wagnerrp needs to remember to plug his mouse in more often **

[05:10:43]

dan__t:

Ok, bad-ass. "Watch TV" works... kinda. I have no actual video, looks like its trying though.

[05:11:35]

dan__t:

Assuming I'm using the right input, I should at least see something, right? In fact, the same picture, regardless of "changing" the channel.

[05:11:52]

dan__t:

I can see video per mplayer on the video device, I'm confident the card is set up properly.

[05:13:54]

Dagmar:

So go back into mythtv-setup and fix it there then

[05:17:11]

dan__t:

Yeah, not entirely sure which input I should be using.

[05:18:21]

dan__t:

Composite 1, Composite 2, S-Video 1, S-Video 2, Tuner 1. I think I should be using Tuner 1?

[05:19:02]

dan__t:

Hm, trying that one, and I see: ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 1 on card when setting channel 1

[05:19:07]

wagnerrp:

sounds like an ivtv card

[05:19:18]

wagnerrp:

you have that set up as an mpeg encoder, and not a v4l card, right?

[05:19:33]

dan__t:

Correct.

[05:19:40]

wagnerrp:

1600... indeed it is an ivtv card

[05:19:46]

dan__t:

IVTV MPEG-2 Encoder Card

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dan__t:

Yes, so I've read.

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt have a channel 1

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dan__t:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

he could very well, that would be comcast on demand

[05:20:51]

iamlindoro:

Tuner 1 = coax

[05:21:17]

iamlindoro:

The various "1"s would presumably be the on board inputs of same name

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dan__t:

I don't think it matters right now.... I set the channel change script to /bin/true, and I'm not changing the channel on the STB. It should be "whatever is coming in from the STB" that MythTV shows.

[05:21:24]

wagnerrp:

well then if youre using comcast on demand (STB), you shouldnt be using coax

[05:21:39]

dan__t:

I assumed such, iamlindoro, but have not found any of the five inputs to be displaying an image of any kind.

[05:21:45]

iamlindoro:

dan__t, Yes, but you still need to tell myth which input you have it connected to...

[05:21:48]

wagnerrp:

you should be using svideo1, with an svideo cable

[05:21:52]

dan__t:

I know that, iamlindoro.

[05:21:58]

dan__t:

That's what I'm trying to find out.

[05:22:02]

iamlindoro:

your words indicate otherwise

[05:22:06]

dan__t:

Uh, thought I was supposed to be using coax...

[05:22:15]

dan__t:

I'm confused on which *one* to use, iamlindoro.

[05:22:19]

wagnerrp:

coax should only be used if youre connecting it directly to the cable

[05:22:32]

wagnerrp:

if youre capturing video, coax is the last one you want to be using

[05:22:41]

dan__t:

Didn't know that.

[05:22:54]

dan__t:

I'll dig up an S-Video cable.

[05:23:43]

dan__t:

Meh, I don

[05:23:44]

dan__t:

I don'

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wagnerrp:

your problem with coax is you probably had not set the 'pretune' channel, or something of that sort

[05:23:47]

dan__t:

damnit.

[05:23:56]

dan__t:

I can't type, either, apparently.

[05:24:00]

wagnerrp:

theres some setting youre supposed to use when you have an external channel changer

[05:24:08]

wagnerrp:

because you need to make sure the tuner is set to channel 3/4

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dan__t:

I'm not changing channels with MythTV – does it matter in that case?

[05:25:12]

iamlindoro:

yes

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wagnerrp:

if you are using the coaxial input with an STB, you still have to make sure the tuner card is set to channel 3

[05:25:35]

dan__t:

oh.. ok, that makes sense.

[05:25:44]

wagnerrp:

remember how you used to do it with an old vcr?

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dan__t:

preset TUNER... the 1600 as the tuner.

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dan__t:

/s/as/is

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Sorry to say this but I think there is an issue with the unicode path for MythTV.py. I thought my test before proved that it worked but I re-synced with trunk in which I included the patch and now I get a UnicodeDecode error on line 105 return u''.join(data). I will back out of the path tomorrow and retest.

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wagnerrp:

TBH, i was surprised it worked in the first place

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I now suspect that the reason it worked before was the data was all ascii to begin with, The problem happens when it comes across the string "Pen\xc3\xa9lope Cruz)". Which is a name in the plot of a movie I have scheduled.

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wagnerrp:

since theyre both 8-bit encodings, there may be some way to cast it to unicode

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RDV_Linux:

This can be fixed as I have had to deal with these kind of before. Yes a try: with except: and then unicode cast probably is the way to go.

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wagnerrp:

i really have no way of testing this

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RDV_Linux:

I may get a chance to look at it tomorrow. Right now I should be asleep.

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

well im going to try to get mythproto file transfers set up tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

in place of 'scp'

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wagnerrp:

when you open a file transfer socket, it will obviously let you know if the file exists

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wagnerrp:

what all did you need to know earlier?

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wagnerrp:

i know you were trying to figure out if a file existed on a remote machine or something

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RDV_Linux:

Good luck. My priority is the support of SG Videos support in Jamu. I have the design written up and am ready to started coding tomorrow.

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RDV_Linux:

I took the easy way out and Jamu will need to run on each BE to do metadata maintenance. In the end that was the most straight forward and reasonable approach.

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wagnerrp:

no real other way to do it until mythproto file transfers have push support

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wagnerrp:

since additional files have to be stored on the same machine as the video right?

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, that was the problem you were running up against

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RDV_Linux:

I agree and anyways each BE has local video files and their graphics.

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RDV_Linux:

Well good night.

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wagnerrp:

night

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dan__t:

Badass.

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defaultro:

Good morning/evening folks. I have an ot question. A friend of mine gave me an hd 3850 agp card. Looks like there is a power supply input on this card. I don't have a power cable that matches the input. I still tried it but my machine just did the beep and showed nothing. Is that power supply input required?

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wagnerrp:

sometimes

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defaultro:

k

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wagnerrp:

i have an nvidia card that will run without the power

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dan__t:

Got it working.

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wagnerrp:

but the drivers will warn me that power is not plugged in

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wagnerrp:

and it will refuse to go into 3D mode

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defaultro:

yep, my nvidia will work too without the power supply input

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defaultro:

wow, i just read that these cards require at least 95w and it gets it from the 6-pin power supply

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wagnerrp:

according to the 3.0 spec, AGP could only provide ~42W through the slot

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wagnerrp:

PCIe is supposed to do 75W

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defaultro:

I don't see any 6-pin coming out from my power supply. What are some solutions then?

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Dagmar:

buying a new power supply, generally.

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defaultro:

ok

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to find molex adapters

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wagnerrp:

the connectors are usually just additional 12V leads

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defaultro:

ok, I will do some research about that :) Thanks for the terms

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defaultro:

k

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wagnerrp:

i have one from something

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember if it came with a card or a power supply

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defaultro:

k

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wagnerrp:

im leaning towards the former

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wagnerrp:

http://www.spodesabode.com/archive/content/pciepower/2

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

looking

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defaultro:

http 404 :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its just ground and +12V on those connectors

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wagnerrp:

nevermind the page, just gave a pinout of the 6-pin

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defaultro:

got it

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wagnerrp:

i absolutely love new graphics cards now have both 6 and 8 pin connectors

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wagnerrp:

and they mix and match them on single cards

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

thanks for the help :)

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defaultro:

I'm looking at our mythtv website. Where can I find the latest update on mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

svn.mythtv.org

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mythman:

In mythArcheive when i select recording the size indicator is coming up blank. file doesnt display size

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wagnerrp:

so is Thedaver a Trogod with organizational skills?

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** Dagmar points at the site name. **

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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deaman:

I am trying to diagnose some problems with a Nova T 500 and multi rec. Am I right in thinking that it is not possible in the db to see which capturecard was used to make an entry in recorded?

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knowledgejunkie:

deaman: it will tell you which *input* recorded – something like "TVRec(4): Changing from RecordingOnly to None"

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knowledgejunkie:

deaman: for multirec you will likely have multiple inputs per physical card/tuner

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wagnerrp:

no

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Dibblah:

The DB doesn't store the card a recording was made on.

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wagnerrp:

a digital broadcast can contain several streams

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wagnerrp:

multirec allows you to capture multiples of those streams using a single input

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wagnerrp:

by use of virtual tuners and PID filtering

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deaman:

thanks

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deaman:

I think that one of the tuners on this card is stuffed, luckily the only channels I watch are on the one multiplex, so I think I can get away with disabling the second tuner, I am just in the process of confirming that to be the case.

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deaman:

There's lots of short kids programs on this morning, so makes it great for testing :)

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Dibblah:

Live TV – Press Y

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deaman:

who uses live tv? ;)

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Dibblah:

For testing.

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Dibblah:

Switch between the cards.

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deaman:

actually, thanks, I will try that. I am not at all familiar with the live options

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knowledgejunkie:

deaman: you might need to bind Y to NEXTCARD as it is not bound by default.

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Dibblah:

Eh? Since when?

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knowledgejunkie:

deaman: i misread your original question – you can opt to log to the DB, but the backend logfile is much more helpful for debugging purposes

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Dibblah:

- Y Switch to the next available capture source

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Dibblah:

From keys.txt

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deaman:

hmm, Y is not working, I think the other tuner is still busy with the kid's shows.

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deaman:

fixing now.

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knowledgejunkie:

Dibblah: as in next available video source?

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deaman:

ok, thanks for the help people. I am in Norway , so using an unsupported build (JYA's .21 fixes), but I think I have proven to myself that I have hardware woes in addition to the H264 recording.

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knowledgejunkie:

deaman: have fun, but take a backup :)

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deaman:

that would have been a good thing to do ...

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deaman:

with mythweb, the Program Detail page, in the advanced options settings, there is an option called Preferred input. I think this could show the encoder to be a bit more meaningful. Is this the sort of thing that might be a good "frist patch"?

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deaman:

I guess once I make it I'll find out...

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knowledgejunkie:

deaman: I think cardinput.displayname is what you should update

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deaman:

ahh, that makes more sense :S thanks :)

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deaman:

hehe, looks like that particular piece of programming fruit was a bit to low hanging. It looks much better now. Is there anywhere to change that in the front end or setup ?

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deaman:

I guess I just do a grep for the name in the source.

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knowledgejunkie:

not that I can see

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johannes__:

hi, I looked at ticket #5882 that anounces s2api support, which is great, yet there was no work done on it since 5 month ago, I asked about this some time ago and someone told, after dealing with some ffmpeg stuff work will be directed to s2api. Did this already begin? I have a skystar hd2, can I provide any information, that may be needed?

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gbee:

deaman: mythtv-setup, in the Input Connections page

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rah:

how can I remove all channels?

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rah:

or rather, how can I update the video source for all channels?

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gunni_:

rah: You can manipulate this in the database, if you got little knowledge

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rah:

I have very little knowledge

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rah:

which fields on which tables?

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cityLights1:

hi all

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cityLights1:

well, basiclly I got some small issues now with 0.21 fixes

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cityLights1:

I use a second pc with a frame-buffer, thing is that sometime the backend fails to work

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cityLights1:

fox example 50% of the time I issue a picture in picture , the second backend , doesnt respond

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cityLights1:

so I compiled with debug and should try to nail it down

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rah:

gunni_?

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cityLights1:

how can I find similer issue other ppl reported in the mailing list?

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gunni_:

Ah, sorry was afk

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GreyFoxx:

rah: to flat out delete them you could just clear the channel table

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gunni_:

rah: one moment, i will have a look

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rah:

GreyFoxx: and to update the video source?

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GreyFoxx:

Or delete and re add the video source in mythtv-setup which will remove all the channels too

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GreyFoxx:

video sources are updated in mythtv-setup

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rah:

there's no way you can update them all in one go, though

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rah:

in mythtv-setup

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: what kind of approach do you have when installing software on slackware what isnt in the repo? do you create your own packages?

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GreyFoxx:

That depends on what you ar trying to update

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GreyFoxx:

you started off wqanting to remove them all :)

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rah:

<rah> or rather, how can I update the video source for all channels?

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GreyFoxx:

and you have yet to say what you want to update

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rah:

err

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rah:

the video source

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gunni_:

rah: the field in the database would be channel.sourceid It is numeric. I will have a look where the source id is located

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rah:

gunni_: thanks

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rah:

I can take it from there

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GreyFoxx:

So ou want to change the video source assigned to achannel ?

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

dustybin: No, just ./configure;make;make install

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: do you compile to /usr/local ?

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: you don't bother with slackbuilds?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't specify a prefix, so it defaults to /usr/local

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dustybin:

right ok

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GreyFoxx:

dustybin: no for something I recompiled every couple days

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dustybin:

i guess one could rm /usr/local if things got too messy

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gunni_:

rah: videosources are defined in table videosource

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GreyFoxx:

duswty: In 6+ years of running myth with compilingregularly I've only had to manally remove a couple lib files once a long time ago

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dustybin:

am i right in thinking that if one compiles to /usr/local there is no way that any other part of your system will get messed up

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dustybin:

wow

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gunni_:

So you may look in videosource which one you choose and then "UPDATE channel set sourceid=YOURCHOOSENNUMBER WHERE 1=1" in the database

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GreyFoxx:

gunni_: Wy the 1=1? Or is that meant as a example ?:)

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gunni:

GreyFoxx: I just always do a where clause in any update, so i minimize mistakes. It is just for me

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dustybin:

i have ripped most of my dvds and converted them to single .vob files

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dustybin:

would it be possible to place that single .vob file into a VIDEO_TS folder and burn a DVD? or would it need to be separated again?

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johannes__:

hi, I looked at ticket #5882 that anounces s2api support, which is great, yet there was no work done on it since 5 month ago, I asked about this some time ago and someone told, after dealing with some ffmpeg stuff work will be directed to s2api. Did this already begin? I have a skystar hd2, can I provide any information, that may be needed?

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laga:

didn't you just post this elsewhere?

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gbee:

johannes__: the dev working on s2api support has just been too busy

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johannes__:

oh thats sad

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gbee:

it will be complete for the release of 0.22

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johannes__:

there is no release date for 0.22 yet, or is it ?

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Every use QString.indexOf ? I'm trying to do a reverse search for acharacter but keep getting -1 as a result and can't find out what I'm doing wrong.

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GreyFoxx:

johannes__: There is more of an active push to start geting ready for it

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GreyFoxx:

there is never a specific release date

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johannes__:

what do you mean by "active push"?

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GreyFoxx:

people are actively working toward getting trunk stable enough for a release

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laga:

GreyFoxx: i wonder if it returns -1 when it can't find the charachter

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GreyFoxx:

laga: I should return -1 if it doesn't find it... but the character is definitely there

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johannes__:

I see

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GreyFoxx:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1491769

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GreyFoxx:

that returns -1 for me everytim, but from reading the QT doc on it I don't think I'm using it wrong

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: not sure that I ever have

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GreyFoxx:

searching forward works fine

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GreyFoxx:

but using a -1 starting position which is suppose to trigger a reverse search ails

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GreyFoxx:

fails

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gbee:

tried using lastIndexOf () instead? Does a reverse search

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gbee:

QT 4.4 docs say that IndexOf() does a forward search only

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gbee:

and it offers lastIndexOf() as the reverse search equivalent

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gbee:

http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qstring.html#lastIndexOf

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GreyFoxx:

"If from is -1, the search starts at the last character" from the 4.3 doc http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/qstring.html#indexOf

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GreyFoxx:

that's what I had looked at

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GreyFoxx:

I'll check out last4IndexOf

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GreyFoxx:

I'll check out lastIndexOf

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** dustybin updates upcoming recordings by using the daily mail saturday tv guide **

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gbee:

yeah, still says "searching forward" though, so -1 starts from the last character but works forward not backwards

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GreyFoxx:

that seems kinda silly :)

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GreyFoxx:

start at the end and search forward?

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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gbee:

aye it's a silly example, think it's there as an example for situations where you want to use higher figures e.g. -5 (index of x if found in the last y characters of the string)

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dustybin:

UK people dont forget this: Katie Price Exclusive – with Piers Morgan: Piers Morgan has a no-holds-barred interview with Katie Price

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dustybin:

tonight 9pm

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laga:

tf?

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dustybin:

itv

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gbee:

why would I want to watch that?

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dustybin:

the same reason why the rest of the country will?

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laga:

yeah, shit tastes awesome, a millin flies can't be wrong

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GreyFoxx:

lol

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dustybin:

new series of dragons den starts on weds :)

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dustybin:

there really isnt much worth watching

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** dustybin checks the film page **

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GreyFoxx:

lastIndexOf does the trick. Thanks

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GreyFoxx:

I should have ready further down the page from IndexOf heh

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jams:

thanks gbee for applying that patch. .22 is now ready for release =)

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gbee:

heh

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rah:

is there a place I can download an init script suitable for debian?

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rah:

(other than doing an apt-get source?)

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rah:

nm, found it

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jams:

suppose i should check if the save/restore settings patch needs updating

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rah:

I've set up all my channels

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rah:

but unfortunately, mythtv won't play any of them

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rah:

it just comes up with "Partial lock" in the on-screen display

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rah:

other programs can select and play channels fine

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rah:

anyone?

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rah:

*tumbleweed*

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Thanks a lot for the commit on the MythGame patch :)

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jams:

iamlindoro- you just moved the tumbleweed, put it back

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** iamlindoro gets behind the tumbleweed and blows. Hard. **

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jams:

perfect

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iamlindoro:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

Np

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GreyFoxx:

anyone used the mythweb ical stuff ?

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gbee:

yay, consistency

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

Would anyone expect a user to be using srt subtitles with a recording ?

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GreyFoxx:

I know people are crazy and import their video collection into recordings

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GreyFoxx:

some people that is

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: no and even if someone wants to try it, I think it can be argued that it's not supported behaviour, we provide mythvideo for that

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, as you may have looked at the patch that I submitted, it at least *works*

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iamlindoro:

and is possible with ccextractor I believe

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gbee:

Chutt disabled that check for a good reason, it's far too slow, we need something faster even for mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

Think daniel had something in mind to speed it up a lot, but I'm sure it's low on the list

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: With my change the check takes 1–2ms, ad if one is found it loads in less than 30ms

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gbee:

well I don't think it can be too complicated, might be worth asking what he had in mind

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: ok, that's more than reasonable

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GreyFoxx:

But I'm excluding dvd and !isVideo first

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GreyFoxx:

which we were not doing before

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gbee:

aye, no point wasting even 2ms on an unnecessary check

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GreyFoxx:

Not that I actally use SRT files, but my dad has a few and h's running trunk

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GreyFoxx:

when led to him asking why subtitles no longer worked for him heh

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, #6277 was fixed by 20632

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20632

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6277#comment:3

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet, thanks

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rah:

is svn trunk able to play TV?

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iamlindoro:

np

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rah:

my compilation doesn't seem to want to work

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laga:

rah: yes.

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laga:

works fine here

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rah:

it just comes up with "Partial lock" in the on-screen display

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rah:

:/

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laga:

then crank up the debugging

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rah:

how do I do that?

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gbee:

you performed a scan?

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rah:

of course

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rah:

all of my channels are in place

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rah:

but none of them will display on the screen

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laga:

rah: if you don't know how to do that, you shouldn't be running trunk – can't hold hands for people running unstable code

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rah:

laga: ok, can you tell me what will tell me how to crank up the debugging?

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laga:

rah: mythbackend --help/mythbackend -v help

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wombo:

Is the TV cable plugged in still?

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rah:

wombo: to use an Americanism, gimme a break

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rah:

of course it's still plugged in

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wombo:

haha, but it does happen :)

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rah:

I've checked everything works using other software

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rah:

2009-07–11 17:21:56.525 PESPacket: Failed CRC check 0xef162155 != 0xc77eb902 for StreamID = 0x70

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rah:

curious

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rah:

what could it mean?

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iamlindoro:

It means you are receiving corrupt data that is failing the CRC check

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gbee:

you can ignore that, there is no CRC on that stream and it's not going to be related to your problem

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iamlindoro:

or that :)

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dustybin:

iamlindoro was wrong for once!! :D

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iamlindoro:

It does happen

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wagnerrp:

damnit....

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wagnerrp:

i went to sleep and forgot to plug in my mouse...

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laga:

what?

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wagnerrp:

its out of battery, and i didnt charge it up last night

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laga:

aah

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gbee:

rah: what letters are displayed in the brackets when it says Partial Lock?

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rah:

LMs

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp only wakes from USB with a mouse plugged in

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rah:

IIRC

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iamlindoro:

now he needs a reboot

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rah:

bbl

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rah:

(food)

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gbee:

ok, only thing I can think of is that the scan inserted some duff data or that it was trampled by mythfilldatabase somehow

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gbee:

it achieves a Signal Lock (L), finds the PMT (M), but no SDT (S)

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gbee:

pastebin the log all the same and make sure you start with a channel that should be on-air, e.g. BBC 1

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tanderson:

Hi, any ideas why I'd have tinny audio on an HD-5500 tuning *analog* cable ?

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wagnerrp:

because the 5500 cannot tune analog cable

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wagnerrp:

sure, it *technically* can

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wagnerrp:

but now you have just purchased a $115 framegrabber

[16:56:35]

wagnerrp:

and thats just foolish

[16:57:47]

gbee:

tinny audio problems have tended to be driver issues in the past, although generally with hardware encoders, not framegrabbers (which wagnerrp is suggesting is the case)

[16:58:50]

wagnerrp:

im not suggesting any sort of cause for the problem, driver or otherwise

[16:59:15]

wagnerrp:

rather suggesting that tanderson not use a framegrabber

[16:59:44]

wagnerrp:

does the 5500 have an audio output? something that you could pass through into another capture decide (like a sound card)

[16:59:58]

wagnerrp:

see if its a problem in the tuner, or a problem in the sound capture

[17:01:28]

gbee:

what I meant is that you are saying that the HD-5500 is a framegrabber, nothing more

[17:01:40]

wagnerrp:

for analog, yes

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gbee:

personally I wouldn't have a clue what a HD-5500 was capable of, I've not been in the market for a new card recently so I'm not upto speed on what's now out there

[17:02:50]

wagnerrp:

the 5500 is a hybrid tuner, digital + framegrabber

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gbee:

audio problems with hardware encoder == definite driver issue, but audio problems with framegrabber == could be anything

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wagnerrp:

well if the problem doesnt exist on the digital recordings, the tuner and playback hardware is likely fine

[17:05:39]

tanderson:

wagnerrp: Do you think I bought the card to tune analog cable?

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wagnerrp:

no, i think you bought it for digital, and are just looking for a secondary tuner for analog

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wagnerrp:

but IMHO, its not worth the effort

[17:06:25]

tanderson:

of course not, I'm using a different card for digital OTA(HVR-2250), and since that card has no analog capability yet I use the Hd-5500s for analog

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iamlindoro:

ouch

[17:08:56]

wagnerrp:

the general consensus around here is that framegrabbers, either standalone or tied to a digital tuner, are to be avoided

[17:09:12]

tanderson:

but thanks, I'll use the passthrough cable and patch the audio into the onboard line-in

[17:09:32]

tanderson:

wagnerrp: how should I tune analog cable then?

[17:09:34]

wagnerrp:

and the recommendation would be to pick up a cheap PVR off ebay until if/when analog supports gets added to the 2250

[17:09:57]

wagnerrp:

assuming you have the spare PCI space

[17:10:20]

tanderson:

The PVR is just a glorified framegrabber right? it has a hardware encoder and nothing else basically

[17:10:38]

iamlindoro:

the hardware encoder is what makes it *not* a framegrabber

[17:10:57]

wagnerrp:

the analog hardware on the 2250 is exactly the same

[17:11:16]

tanderson:

wagnerrp: exactly the same as the HD5500 or the PVR?

[17:11:59]

iamlindoro:

the HD-5500 is a framegrabber, The PVR-150/250/350/500 are not.

[17:12:02]

wagnerrp:

the analog hardware on the 2250 is just a framegrabber tied into a hardware mpeg2 encoder, exactly the same as the PVR card, but probably with a newer chipset

[17:12:05]

iamlindoro:

nor is the HVR-2250

[17:13:16]

tanderson:

so right now you're saying I should take the two HD-5500s I have sitting in my computer and replace them with newly purchased PVR cards?

[17:13:43]

wagnerrp:

no, just saying they shouldnt be used for analog

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gbee:

no use throwing good money after bad

[17:14:12]

wagnerrp:

theyre otherwise good digital cards

[17:14:32]

tanderson:

wagnerrp: then I should replace the 2250 with two PVRs, PCI slots I don't have?

[17:15:02]

wagnerrp:

miniatx board?

[17:15:15]

tanderson:

nope

[17:16:08]

tanderson:

I have another board in there using up a slot(a framegrabber for a CCTV camera for zoneminder

[17:16:11]

gbee:

tanderson: persist with the 5500, just understand that it would have been much easier had you gone with a hardware encoder

[17:16:15]

tank-man:

I think I have some database corruption (maybe from a harddrive gone bad, now I have a new one), When I type "mythtvbackend --printsched" I get no listings, but when I try "mythbackend --testsched" I get some listings. I also can't schedule new recordings and my previous schedules isnt listed

[17:16:31]

tank-man:

any suggestions on how to repair the db?

[17:16:50]

gbee:

tank-man: run contrib/maintenance/optimize_mythdb.pl

[17:17:02]

wagnerrp:

well if you just dont have the space, try using the passthrough cable and a different audio capture device

[17:17:05]

tank-man:

ok

[17:17:14]

tanderson:

wagnerrp: yea, I'll check that out

[17:17:38]

wagnerrp:

using low frequency capture wouldnt result in tinny audio would it?

[17:17:41]

gbee:

tank-man: location varies depending on which version you are using or which distro

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wagnerrp:

low frequency being something << 48kHz

[17:18:04]

tank-man:

gbee, yea I found it, but it didnt help

[17:18:07]

tanderson:

wagnerrp: changing that affects nothing

[17:18:48]

wagnerrp:

try the card in tvtime, where the audio just gets dumped directly to the speakers

[17:19:01]

wagnerrp:

see if maybe something is getting screwed up during transcoding

[17:19:17]

wagnerrp:

is it just the one card, or both cards?

[17:19:42]

tanderson:

I actually didn't check that. I'll have to tie the first up in a recording I guess and then try LiveTV

[17:20:04]

tanderson:

unless there's a mythtv option to select a tuner in livetv

[17:20:14]

wagnerrp:

nah, just hit 'm', scroll down to select input, and select the second tuner

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tanderson:

thanks, I'll do that

[17:20:40]

wagnerrp:

with virtual tuners, that will be a fairly sizeable list

[17:20:55]

wagnerrp:

if you havent done so already, you may want to go into mythtv-setup, option 4, and name the inputs

[17:21:04]

tanderson:

Yeah

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tanderson:

I already have them named OTA-{1,2} and QAM-{1,2}

[17:25:31]

wagnerrp:

if theyre both bad, its likely a driver, or possibly a signal strength issue

[17:25:54]

wagnerrp:

although you would likely see a drop in video quality, and data loss on the digital size, before you had any audio issues

[17:30:25]

tanderson:

both are bad

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tanderson:

video quality is pretty good

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tank-man:

OK, I fixed my problem, I reloaded the "mc.sql" file and then ran mythbackend --resched and its all good now

[17:36:01]

gbee:

backups :)

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tank-man:

apparently mysql was setup to use binary-logs but I dont know how to use them and just purged them

[17:38:16]

clever:

i allways turn the damn things off

[17:44:06]

iamlindoro:

hrm. I think MythVideo needs a metadata lookup keybinding

[17:45:04]

wagnerrp:

not a fan of the menus?

[17:45:36]

iamlindoro:

not for many many files over and over :)

[17:47:29]

wagnerrp:

anyone know how to use 'ANN FileTransfer'?

[17:47:30]

gbee:

better to have an option to retrieve metadata for all files (which lack it already)

[17:48:27]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I have thought about doing that, but it's more work than I can probably get done in time for .22

[17:48:32]

wagnerrp:

some bulk update mode that sweeps through interactively collecting inetrefs, and then sweeps back through grabbing data for everything

[17:50:12]

wagnerrp:

if im doing a file transfer over mythproto, do i want to connect to the MBE, or to the SBE that owns the files?

[17:56:27]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Although this is not within MythVideo, Jamu has an -MI option which just focuses on the videometadata records that lack inetref numbers. The -MI option is interactive for both TMDB (movies) and TVDB (tv series).

[17:57:11]

wagnerrp:

just commenting on the preferred method

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iamlindoro:

Yay keybinding! That's much faster

[17:57:44]

wagnerrp:

i had some windows program that would scrape information about files you had on your hard drive into an access database maybe 7–8 years ago

[17:58:11]

wagnerrp:

it would go through an do each file individually, asking what movie it was if there was more than one response

[17:58:39]

wagnerrp:

it was painful to sit there once ever couple seconds and hit the correct one

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wagnerrp:

once every 10 seconds or so

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iamlindoro:

Holy crap is that ever faster

[18:03:56]

iamlindoro:

Avoiding the menu cuts the metadata grab stuff time at least in half

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iamlindoro:

faster if you don't have to choose what show/movie it is

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tanderson:

wagnerrp / gbee: audio passthrough worked like a charm

[18:08:55]

wagnerrp:

sounds like a driver issue then, assuming *both* cards arent bad

[18:09:13]

tanderson:

That's a little unlikely

[18:09:22]

wagnerrp:

i would try contacting pcHDTV, or maybe checking their support forums for something about that

[18:09:49]

tanderson:

ok

[18:09:51]

wagnerrp:

considering theyre designed to use linux, theyre probably one of the few companies that would provide support under linux

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jblack:

linux is the only os they support. :)

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rah:

gbee: the log is big

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rah:

8.4M

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rah:

http://myrtle.6gnip.net/~rah/mythbackend.log

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discernica:

greetings

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laga:

rah: what made you think logging the network stuff would be a good idea?

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rah:

laga: you telling me to crank the debugging up

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Dagmar:

laga: Teh voices!

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laga:

Dagmar: ah, i'd hope you'd show up

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Dagmar:

That's odd.

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discernica:

Question relating to nvidia and component out

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Dagmar:

Oh okay

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laga:

rah: you need to think more before doing stuff

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discernica:

Have an older rear projection, no hdmi, just component

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discernica:

hooked up a new geforce 7300gt, have most working, but lots of overscan

[19:34:00]

discernica:

my hunting seems to have turned up that nvidia does not allow modelines for tv-out

[19:34:26]

discernica:

if that's true, does that mean there is nothing I can do about the overscan (tv does not seem to have a setting either)?

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Dagmar:

You can try running nvidia-settings

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discernica:

could not find anything there to adjust overscan

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discernica:

maybe not possible on 7300?

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Dagmar:

Doubtful

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rah:

anyone have any idea about what this PESPacket error is about?

[19:37:26]

discernica:

if the setting for overscan is there, maybe it is called something else? anyone know where that is in nvidia-settings?

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Dagmar:

Read the readme for the nvidia driver you're using

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Dagmar:

THere's more than one way to set the overscan amount

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rah:

hmm

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rah:

not only do I get no TV, I also have no EPG data and the video source is EIT

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gbee:

rah: your problem are these errors "Program #18496 not found in PAT!" – the channel ids don't match what is being broadcast, backup your database then delete all channels and rescan

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rah:

I did that before :/

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gbee:

somehow you've ended up with junk entries in your channel table, they don't match what is being broadcast in your location

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rah:

how do I delete all channels?

[19:43:45]

rah:

I forget

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rah:

nm

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gbee:

delete the video source, all associated channels will be removed

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gbee:

any chance that you are picking up signals from two different transmitters?

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rah:

how curious

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rah:

there are 85 rows in the channel table but nothing in the channel editor in mythtv-setup

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gbee:

unlikely explanation, but the only other explanation is a bug in the new channel scanner

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rah:

sorry, wrong database

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rah:

yes, I am picking up signals from two different transmitters

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gbee:

interesting

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knowledgejunkie:

hey sphery

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rah:

what does myth do if I insert two instances of the same channel from different transmitters?

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jblack:

Ohhhh.

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jblack:

Same TV station, two antennas?

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rah:

umm

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rah:

wrong country

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jblack:

Sorry. I'll try again after I've moved.

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wagnerrp:

discernica: nvidia removed the ability to control overscan on the 8-series, or the 180.x drivers, or somewhere around there

[19:58:49]

wagnerrp:

but older stuff should have adjustable overscan

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discernica:

okay, so I should downgrade the driver to 177 or something then

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wagnerrp:

but your easiest option is just going to be to go into the 'Screen Setup Wizard', tell mythtv where the corners of your screen are, and let it autoscale everything

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knowledgejunkie:

rah: are you receiving the channels on the same card?

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discernica:

ya, did the myth screen setup, its okay. I notice when I go into the guide, it isn't placed properly. assume its a myth bug

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wagnerrp:

what isnt placed properly?

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discernica:

ie. watching tv or recording is placed properly, but if I go into the program guide, it's "window" is shifted up and left

[20:01:18]

discernica:

I can see the X desktop on the bottom and right

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wagnerrp:

so that just means you need to push the corners out a bit further

[20:04:14]

discernica:

hmmm, the live/recorded picture seemed perfect — I don't see the X desktop at all

[20:04:48]

dan__t:

'morning

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dan__t:

So I got MythTV working. I have no way to change the channel, but that's a secondary problem. I wanted to thank Dagmar, awalls, and J-e-f-f-A specifically for your patience and your help.

[20:05:51]

dan__t:

I think moving forward this is going to be fun.

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discernica:

Another question: I have had a PVR-350 for some time, and have added an HDHR to the mix. In the program guide, the hdhr channel numbers where greyed-out — anyone know that that implies?

[20:08:02]

discernica:

also, I cant "C" to change input to the HDHR

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wagnerrp:

try going through the 'm' menu to change inputs

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discernica:

ya, I see it there — but I thought "C" would cycle though all inputs. I'm on an HD channel now, and "C" doesn't take me back to the analog input. Maybe this is the standard behaviour — they mean change input on a particular device, not all input devices

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rah:

gbee: still nothing

[20:11:48]

rah:

knowledgejunkie: yes

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rah:

http://myrtle.6gnip.net/~rah/mythbackend.log

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rah:

I don't see any "not found in PAT" messages

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rah:

pfft

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laga:

what a dolt

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knowledgejunkie:

Do any DVB-S/Freesat users in the UK get EIT listings for Zone Horror? It's in the Freesat EPG (which MythTV handles), but no listings are ever seen

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Sorry to keep incrementally dropping MythGame patches on you :) this latest one is just small cleanups and should be the last.

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xand:

knowledgejunkie: the radio times listings are usually better than EPG ones c.c

[20:58:27]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/tomi.png

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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laga:

iamlindoro: does that work in linux?

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iamlindoro:

yeah, via wine

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sid3windr:

:D

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iamlindoro:

just finished it last night

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laga:

great

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iamlindoro:

s/finished/started and finished/

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laga:

where did you get the meta data?

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iamlindoro:

google basically

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laga:

ah

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iamlindoro:

manually entered via the "Edit Metadata" screen in MythGame

[21:01:21]

iamlindoro:

well, the plot I pasted into a SQL query

[21:01:26]

iamlindoro:

too lazy to type it

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laga:

heh

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laga:

is it a good game?

[21:02:25]

iamlindoro:

yeah, it was really fun

[21:02:30]

iamlindoro:

very true to its roots

[21:02:46]

iamlindoro:

well worth the time if you like classic Lucasarts adventure

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, do you use freenx

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iamlindoro:

I have before, but most of the time when I connect from the outside I want either a terminal or an SSH tunnel for a specific application

[21:29:18]

Shadow__X:

oh ok because i read up about it and it sounded much like rdc for windows except i keep getting issues when i tell it to use the gnome encvironment all the docs i have found point to setting it up but not how to connect using the client

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iamlindoro:

juski, Still at it on the buttonwidth thing?

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wagnerrp:

well i have the python bindings running file transfers over mythproto

[21:40:03]

wagnerrp:

only the checksums do not match

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laga:

wagnerrp: f'ing awesome

[21:41:13]

wagnerrp:

oh... seems im four bytes short on the resultant file

[21:41:31]

laga:

that means i can finally finish that mytharchive patch i was working on which would transfer files from the backend

[21:41:46]

wagnerrp:

remember, its only from, not to

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laga:

that's okay :)

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clever:

i had the idea a week or 2 ago, to make a QFile based class, that runs over the myth proto

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laga:

then do it

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laga:

that'd be nifty

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clever:

i'm in the middle of editing the jsmenu code right now

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** wagnerrp knows nothing about QFile **

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clever:

so the throttle control on my joystick acts as a volume knob

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laga:

only that it wouldn't be much good with python i guess

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clever:

laga: make some python bindings for the QFile api

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, do you use freenx with xfce

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wagnerrp:

no and no

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clever:

tv_play.cpp takes hours to rebuild:(

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clever:

that file has gotten really fat

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laga:

clever: get a real computer?

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, do you like biscuits

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clever:

laga: the core2duo 1.8ghz isnt running the right distro to help atm

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wagnerrp:

depends on the kind

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laga:

clever: get a real computer and throw up that rube goldberg stuff ;)

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laga:

um

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clever:

laga: i could chroot the c2d into ubuntu and then fire up distcc in there, and have it help

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laga:

s/up/out/

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clever:

but its only got 802.11b to the lan, and it sucks

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wagnerrp:

so why does python say it wrote 2160533508 bytes, when 'ls' only lists 2160533504 bytes....

[21:46:12]

clever:

laga: do you know much about the PlayerContenxt area of myth?

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laga:

clever: nothing at all

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laga:

wagnerrp: i assume you closed the file handle properly?

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clever:

i'll keep my hacked up pointer then

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wagnerrp:

no, file is still open

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laga:

wagnerrp: try closing it so it flushes to disk?

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wagnerrp:

but four bytes?

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laga:

wagnerrp: maybe it'll work ;)

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clever:

2160533504 == 0x80C72000

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clever:

wagnerrp: as i suspected, its keeping the next page of data in ram until it has a whole page

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wagnerrp:

yep... that did it

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wagnerrp:

checksums match now

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clever:

it only had 4 bytes out of a page, so it wasnt flushing it to disk

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laga:

wagnerrp: i've got burned by unexpected stuff in files often so i've made it a habit of always closing the file handle

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wagnerrp:

well thats annoying

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clever:

there should be a flush function on the file class

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there is

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wagnerrp:

i need to put something in there with an auto-scaling buffer

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wagnerrp:

if you pull data too fast, it locks up

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laga:

the backend?

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wagnerrp:

the file transfer

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wagnerrp:

the backend keeps running, but it just never sends any data

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wagnerrp:

theres something on the wiki commenting about the same behavior

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laga:

sounds broken

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phunyguy:

hmmm

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phunyguy:

is there still a motherboard limitation when it comes to max HD space?

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phunyguy:

i know it was an issue years ago

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phunyguy:

bios limitation actually..

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jblack:

there's always a limit. It's probably up in terrabyte range these days

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gizmobay:

has mythweather stopped working?

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laga:

that's a pretty stupid question considering there's more than one data source

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jblack:

gizmobay: has it ever worked?

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gizmobay:

mines worked in the past

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clever:

thats odd

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clever:

mythbackend segfaulted on me, for no apparent reason

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laga:

clever: gdb

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clever:

laga: yeah i'll open the core dump, but i was waiting for tv_play to finish

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iamlindoro:

my mythweather works nicely

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clever:

#0 0x42b9af0b in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4

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clever:

laga: odd, another fault inside the qtsql module:S

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gizmobay:

hmm, mine just says retrieving weather data

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gizmobay:

nothing in the logs

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laga:

clever: install the debug symbols for that one

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clever:

laga: what package?

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clever:

i dont see it in a quick apt-cache search

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laga:

clever: on ubuntu?

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clever:

yeah, 8.04

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gizmobay:

hmm mythweb weather works though

[22:20:13]

laga:

clever: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ – maybe there

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AndyCap:

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clever:

added a line to sources

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clever:

laga: i think i found it

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clever:

or not

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clever:

E: Broken packages

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thedarkone:

has anyone used trunk revision 20584?

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clever:

http://privatepaste.com/62Lhu9zFeU

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laga:

thedarkone: nobody did

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laga:

thedarkone: never

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thedarkone:

laga lol

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clever:

laga: the paste above has the backtrace in it

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laga:

clever: that's nice. now show it to someone who can actually fix it :)

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i'm still waiting on a compile for my own patch, which isnt even half done

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gizmobay:

well the BBC-XML source works

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thedarkone:

laga i was asking if some one used it if the mythgames works

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

and since I wrote the revision, "extra yes"

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thedarkone:

i get a error iamlindoro

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thedarkone:

Error: container 'GameUI' is missing child 'plot'

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you're using terra

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iamlindoro:

which hasn't been updated for the new UI elements

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iamlindoro:

So use a Theme which has, or wait for terra to be

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thedarkone:

oh so i need to use blue

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wagnerrp:

phunyguy: there was a 32-bit/48-bit LBA issue with drives larger than 127GB

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wagnerrp:

137GB, rather

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wagnerrp:

more recently, there is a 2TB limit for a number of tools

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knowledgejunkie:

xand: I know, I maintain the Radio Times grabber :) I was just wondering why that one channel does not seem to get listings via EIT

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iamlindoro:

hmm... sort of wish the new about dialog were a themeable screen

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iamlindoro:

well, not the about part, but the reboot/shutdown part

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iamlindoro:

jams, What's the reasoning behind shutdown/etc. only showing up when the exit key is a modifier?

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phunyguy:

wagnerrp, define "tools"

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jams:

because shutdown/reboot show up on the exit screen

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phunyguy:

but also I have heard of people maxing out their motherboards storage addresses...

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phunyguy:

a few years back someone had about 4TB of space but could only use like 2.5

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phunyguy:

thats the limitations I am talking about

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jams:

it's not much of a reason but it's there

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jams:

iamlindoro- that window is themeable, but it's also used by other popups.

[23:11:26]

iamlindoro:

jams, Right, I meant uniquely themable

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jams:

yeah i didn't want to put that much work into it

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iamlindoro:

jams, would be nice to put it up on screen with snazzy power/reboot icons

[23:12:08]

jams:

sure

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jams:

if you can convince gbee to make reboot/shtudown show up regardless of the modifer i won't care

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jams:

personally i always use a modifier to avoid exiting by mistake.

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jams:

heck that exit screen could even have the shutdown/reboot options removed. Just "are you sure you want to exit"

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iamlindoro:

yeah, one or the other would be better than both consistencywise

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jams:

it would make sense to keep them on the popup menu then.

[23:16:16]

jams:

at least from my point of view.

[23:16:20]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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jams:

considering i never see that exit screen

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iamlindoro:

from an "appliance" point of view they should be where you've put them, but they should show up regardless of exit modifier

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iamlindoro:

as in that scenario I would set the exxit key to no exit key

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jams:

maybe thats what i was thinking, to avoid duplication

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iamlindoro:

ie if you want to prevent the user from exiting myth, but present them the option of rebooting or shutting down

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jams:

right, thats what it does

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iamlindoro:

sort of

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iamlindoro:

but you can't turn off the exit key entirely and still have it

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iamlindoro:

can you?

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jams:

sure can

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iamlindoro:

not according to my test just now

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iamlindoro:

Set to No exit key, only get About

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jams:

play around with "customise exit menu options"

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jams:

it's on the same screen as the exit key

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iamlindoro:

Ah... well that's sort of... difficult to guess

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iamlindoro:

but sure enough, works

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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jams:

eh made perfect sense to me. The setting was already there so why not use it

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iamlindoro:

yeah, just think the help text might need expanding

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jams:

hah good luck getting that done

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jams:

it's already pretty tight

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iamlindoro:

people need bigger screens ;)

[23:23:27]

iamlindoro:

anyway, all that stuff won't be Qt for long (hopefully)

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jams:

don't think it's changing until after .22

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iamlindoro:

yeah, definitely not in time for .22

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jams:

unlike others i dont' have a problem with the look of the qt screens.

[23:24:57]

iamlindoro:

I'm not fond of them

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iamlindoro:

Will be nice to turn those monstrosities in to nice, tight little popups

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iamlindoro:

have something sleeker in mind if I write another theme

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jams:

the only thing i dislike about them is the way it's hard to layout stuff, and pray that it doesn't push something off the screen

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iamlindoro:

and part of that has included some consideration for config screens

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jams:

boy i just dont' see some of the screens being popups

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iamlindoro:

such as?

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jams:

well if mythfrontend would ever start I would let you know

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iamlindoro:

heh

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jams:

segfault segfault segfault

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jams:

so what do you mean by popup, got a mockup of what your thinkging about

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iamlindoro:

XBMC's aeon does a nice jb of what I have in mind

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iamlindoro:

bottom half of the screen below the menu bar darkens, all settings are there

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iamlindoro:

or at least, it used to

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jams:

so it's own seperate menu

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iamlindoro:

not really

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iamlindoro:

the manu menu is still visible, it's just that the bottom half of the screen is occupied by a darkened section with whatever settings screen you have selected

[23:31:23]

iamlindoro:

main menu

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jams:

got it, by popup i was thinking something a bit different

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iamlindoro:

by popup I mean not a fullscreen pile of Qt vomit :)

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jams:

maybe a screen where you can scroll through the settings

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jams:

instead of trying to jam relateds one on the same screen

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clever:

my volume patch is working:D

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clever:

the only real problem is that the OSD doesnt trigger

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clever:

and the calibration is hard-coded

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