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| [00:07:01] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [00:07:11] | Dagmar: | I figured the question answered itself |
| [00:07:16] | iamlindoro: | sphery, log in, edit, then save, yes |
| [00:07:33] | iamlindoro: | sphery, a lot of options only appear when logged in |
| [00:08:15] | sphery: | cool |
| [00:08:50] | sphery: | still don't see any character stuff |
| [00:08:59] | sphery: | but at least I could put in the guest stars |
| [00:09:22] | SHADOW_V: | is ffmpeg used for anything while the be is recording |
| [00:09:30] | SHADOW_V: | other than thumbnail creation that is |
| [00:09:41] | kormoc: | it's not used for thumbnail creation |
| [00:09:44] | sphery: | not even for thumbnail creation |
| [00:10:04] | SHADOW_V: | oh what is used for thumbnail creation |
| [00:10:10] | sphery: | mythbackend |
| [00:10:15] | Dagmar: | If you're using it to transcode tho, yeah it kinda needs support for the output format |
| [00:10:33] | sphery: | which uses libraries that were originally created as part of the ffmpeg project, but doesn't use the libraries that your system ffmpeg uses |
| [00:10:35] | SHADOW_V: | ah alright sorry for my apprehension i just dont want to ruin my fe/be due to a poorly configured ffmpeg |
| [00:10:43] | Dagmar: | Cheat |
| [00:10:53] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V, mythbackend does nothing with ffmpeg |
| [00:10:56] | sphery: | that's actually the biggest reason that myth doesn't use the system ffmpeg |
| [00:11:03] | Dagmar: | Find the scripts/deb/srpm or whatever used to build your current copy of ffmpeg and then modify it |
| [00:11:06] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V, all components we borow from ffmpeg are imported into myth's code |
| [00:11:12] | sphery: | so that users can't break myth by doing stupid tricks with ffmpeg |
| [00:11:24] | sphery: | (not that you're doing stupid things, but some people would) |
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| [00:11:27] | Dagmar: | It's hard to break stuff when you make the smallest change you can get away with to achieve the result you want |
| [00:11:58] | Dagmar: | If you go grab something and just throw ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && make install-strip at it, expect weird stuff to happen |
| [00:12:15] | SHADOW_V: | right i wasnt going to do that |
| [00:12:30] | SHADOW_V: | since i didnt know what flags where used i did ffmpeg -version |
| [00:12:39] | SHADOW_V: | and copied the --enable and disable info |
| [00:12:41] | Dagmar: | This would be why you go find what was used to build that binary. |
| [00:12:42] | SHADOW_V: | and was going to use that |
| [00:12:59] | Dagmar: | Much simpler, and you'll get a package you can cleanly remove or upgrade later |
| [00:13:13] | SHADOW_V: | Dagmar, so where would i get that or find that |
| [00:13:20] | Dagmar: | That depends on what distro you're using |
| [00:13:26] | SHADOW_V: | :( ubuntu |
| [00:13:28] | Dagmar: | These are things you should really learn about the distro you use |
| [00:13:32] | SHADOW_V: | i am not an idiot i swear |
| [00:13:33] | Dagmar: | OKay, so it's a deb then |
| [00:13:37] | SHADOW_V: | yeah |
| [00:13:49] | Dagmar: | Go poke around on their site and you should be able to find the thing through the web interface even |
| [00:14:09] | Dagmar: | ...although I've got no idea what to do to rebuild a deb beyond "it probably involves dpkg somehow" |
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| [00:14:49] | SHADOW_V: | apparetnly i can do this |
| [00:16:04] | Dagmar: | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20 |
| [00:16:12] | SHADOW_V: | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ffmpeg |
| [00:16:35] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [00:16:36] | Dagmar: | That'll do |
| [00:16:43] | SHADOW_V: | thanks |
| [00:25:48] | SHADOW_V: | ok so in comparison the the ./configure given on that page for 8.10 and the .configure that was used on my current ffmpeg some things are different how do i know what they do or if i need them |
| [00:26:21] | iamlindoro: | ./configure --help |
| [00:26:31] | SHADOW_V: | oh ok thanks |
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| [00:45:12] | sphery: | iamlindoro: strange... episode of Life, gets to a commercial break, news team cuts in with breaking news which takes the entire break--no commercials--and the show starts without any parts being cut or covered up |
| [00:45:35] | iamlindoro: | sphery, lucky ;) |
| [00:45:46] | sphery: | yeah... think they did it on purpose |
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| [01:05:50] | frogonwheels: | Sorry for x-post: Has anybody had any problems with live-tv freezing (front end) at the end of a show's time-slot according to the program guide? (I'm using the 'fixed' weekly build repo) <ESC> <ENTER> gets me back to the show. |
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| [01:06:15] | frogonwheels: | oh.. yeah the weekly build repo refers to ubuntu.. |
| [01:06:44] | sphery: | that's pretty much livetv for you |
| [01:06:50] | sphery: | should be better in 0.22 |
| [01:07:00] | frogonwheels: | ok. thanks. |
| [01:07:08] | sphery: | until the, you can just learn to use Myth as a DVR :) |
| [01:07:10] | frogonwheels: | sphery: I can cope with it for the time being. |
| [01:07:11] | sphery: | then |
| [01:07:22] | frogonwheels: | yes – we mostly record stuff anyway |
| [01:07:39] | SHADOW_V: | never watch live tv |
| [01:07:40] | SHADOW_V: | its bad |
| [01:07:43] | frogonwheels: | and play 'catch-up' during the evening. |
| [01:07:49] | SHADOW_V: | bad for your health |
| [01:07:54] | frogonwheels: | :) |
| [01:08:06] | SHADOW_V: | DR SHADOW_V says so |
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| [01:13:35] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, there's a fairly trivial fix for a missing configuration option to MythGame if you feel like committing a small ticket (#6705) |
| [01:15:41] | GreyFoxx: | I'll check it out in a few minutes :) |
| [01:16:01] | iamlindoro: | no problem, missed one hunk on the patch anyway, heh |
| [01:16:47] | iamlindoro: | fixed, whew |
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| [01:24:31] | wagnerrp: | oof... 'error: no space on disk' |
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| [01:26:35] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: commited |
| [01:27:29] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, D'oh! I just uplaoded one additional fix |
| [01:27:43] | iamlindoro: | it's a single line |
| [01:27:53] | iamlindoro: | gamedetails.cpp |
| [01:28:01] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [01:28:03] | iamlindoro: | add "handleImage("gameimage", m_romInfo->ImagePath()); " to the end of the handleimage part |
| [01:28:14] | iamlindoro: | It's the one missing piece of metadata for that screen |
| [01:28:25] | iamlindoro: | Sorry about that, I should have looked closer at what was missing before pinging you |
| [01:29:14] | iamlindoro: | but all of this is tested, of course |
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| [01:29:35] | GreyFoxx: | it passed the compile test ;) |
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| [01:30:19] | frogonwheels: | GreyFoxx: ah of course. the compile test. always works for me. |
| [01:30:34] | frogonwheels: | GreyFoxx: colleagues not quite so keen on the 'it compiles' test though. |
| [01:31:06] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, thanks for looking at it so quickly |
| [01:31:37] | iamlindoro: | (and for the second commit) |
| [01:31:52] | GreyFoxx: | It was simple enough to just eyeball :) |
| [01:32:01] | sphery: | helps get his commit numbers up |
| [01:32:04] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [01:32:35] | GreyFoxx: | hah |
| [01:32:35] | frogonwheels: | GreyFoxx: yep. that's what I usually say too :) |
| [01:33:28] | frogonwheels: | iamlindoro, GreyFoxx: btw, I'm not discouraging this kind of stuff |
| [01:33:53] | frogonwheels: | btw, isn't this the wrong channel for this conversation anyway? |
| [01:33:53] | iamlindoro: | Glad to know we have your permission ;) |
| [01:34:26] | GreyFoxx: | frogonwheels: It's appropriate whereever I do it :) |
| [01:34:37] | GreyFoxx: | IT's only inappropriate to do support stuff in the dev channel |
| [01:34:40] | frogonwheels: | iamlindoro: permissions a bit harsh, but I'm happy to give it :) :) :) |
| [01:35:36] | frogonwheels: | GreyFoxx: hmm.. imho , within reason it cuts both ways. |
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| [01:36:43] | ** kormoc eyes frogonwheels ** | |
| [01:36:55] | GreyFoxx: | nah,non dev talk is verboten in the dev channel |
| [01:37:11] | ** frogonwheels shrugs. ** | |
| [01:37:53] | frogonwheels: | Whichever it's always good to see quick response from those with comit privelages, whichever the project. |
| [01:40:54] | sphery: | The topic of the channel should be changed to include a warning, "Beware the malevolent gaze of kormoc's eyes." Last time I got the evil eye from him I had bad luck for 3 weeks. |
| [01:41:05] | frogonwheels: | lol |
| [01:41:15] | frogonwheels: | it's ok kormoc. I'm shutting up now. |
| [01:42:11] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, thoughts on adding a plot field to roms? |
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| [01:42:41] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, Trying to think of ways to make the experience consistent between it and MythVideo (which is resembles more than ever now) |
| [01:43:08] | sphery: | can't wait to see your mythgame video |
| [01:43:21] | iamlindoro: | Heh, it's all out there already, just use Graphite :) |
| [01:43:40] | sphery: | but I'd have to get a bunch of games |
| [01:43:49] | iamlindoro: | or create some dummies |
| [01:43:58] | sphery: | you didn't have mythgame in the video you did previously, did you? |
| [01:44:10] | iamlindoro: | I guess not |
| [01:44:28] | sphery: | I could do the dummy game thing (once I learn a bit about mythgame) |
| [01:45:41] | iamlindoro: | ugh, why is getting a screencast with GL such a bastard |
| [01:46:32] | sphery: | GL as in Good Luck trying to get a screenshot |
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| [01:46:57] | iamlindoro: | no kidding |
| [01:47:07] | iamlindoro: | I give up, just try graphite ;) |
| [01:47:28] | sphery: | will do |
| [01:49:32] | awalls: | Did dan__t ever get his HVR-1600 working? |
| [01:49:47] | iamlindoro: | Not last I saw, think he retired to #v4l |
| [01:49:54] | awalls: | I can't IRC from my day job. |
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| [01:49:57] | iamlindoro: | (and may just have run out of time for the night) |
| [01:50:15] | awalls: | Ah ok. |
| [01:51:33] | awalls: | If he doesn't have corrupt firmware, he either has a bad CX23418 or some PCI bus problem. |
| [01:52:04] | iamlindoro: | I was kinda figuring the latter and didn't have a ton of time last night, so I just jumped right to trying another slot |
| [01:52:07] | iamlindoro: | not sure if he ever did |
| [01:52:42] | awalls: | OK. I save a new kernel message about IRQF_DISABLED not working for shared IRQs |
| [01:52:47] | awalls: | /save/saw/ |
| [01:53:07] | awalls: | So it could be a new kernel interrupt handling thing too. |
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| [01:53:56] | awalls: | Oh well. Goodnight. |
| [01:54:00] | iamlindoro: | night |
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| [01:55:23] | psm321: | where do i disable mythfilldatabase running automatically? |
| [01:56:32] | SHADOW_V: | psm321, in the settings page |
| [01:56:48] | kormoc: | why would you? |
| [01:56:58] | SHADOW_V: | i was feeling synical |
| [01:57:00] | psm321: | kormoc: heh i knew someone would ask |
| [01:57:04] | SHADOW_V: | cynical |
| [01:57:17] | SHADOW_V: | jesus i am horrible at spelling |
| [01:57:41] | psm321: | kormoc: so, i have mythtv really stressed with a ridiculous amount of recording schedules (i know, i know... i really shouldnt do that) |
| [01:58:01] | SHADOW_V: | psm321, or ya know upgrade to better stuff |
| [01:58:17] | kormoc: | Thing is, we run it at the best time for the data servers,changing that can increase the time your listings take to run |
| [01:58:33] | psm321: | kormoc: and at that number of schedules, for some reason it makes a significant difference to reschedule times to have a fresh program table versus one thats had deletes and adds done to it |
| [01:59:00] | SHADOW_V: | mythtv cluster to the rescue ! |
| [01:59:15] | psm321: | kormoc: and this difference is significant enough to cause recordings to start late because the reschedule was still happening |
| [01:59:30] | LanUser: | Is "trunk" synonomous with the .22 branch? |
| [01:59:54] | SHADOW_V: | turning slow worthless hardware into a matainence filled experiment |
| [02:00:02] | psm321: | kormoc: well the thing is i have to run it manually every morning anyway because sd/tribune has issues with generic episode data on some stations (i've reported many times, it gets fixed for a while then starts happening again) |
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| [02:00:06] | GreyFoxx: | trunk ias what will become 0.22 |
| [02:00:07] | kormoc: | LanUser, there is no 0.22 branch, but trunk will be the 0.22 branch |
| [02:00:31] | psm321: | SHADOW_V: upgrade to what? |
| [02:00:41] | SHADOW_V: | a faster computer |
| [02:00:43] | psm321: | SHADOW_V: unfortunately reschedule is not multithreaded |
| [02:01:03] | psm321: | SHADOW_V: i have a phenom 9850 |
| [02:01:09] | SHADOW_V: | oh |
| [02:01:14] | SHADOW_V: | that should be more than enough cpu |
| [02:01:24] | LanUser: | ah ok, I was just curious and trying to find the .22/trunk equivilant webpage to .21's svn/trac page here --> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-21-fixes/ |
| [02:01:41] | psm321: | SHADOW_V: like i said, lots of schedules... way too many |
| [02:01:55] | GreyFoxx: | psm321: how many ? |
| [02:02:05] | psm321: | SHADOW_V: i have really crazy reasons for it... reasons that i could fix but i would need to code stuff |
| [02:02:15] | psm321: | GreyFoxx: you really want to know? :) |
| [02:02:20] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [02:03:10] | psm321: | huh... less than i thought |
| [02:03:14] | psm321: | 3395 |
| [02:03:18] | GreyFoxx: | damn |
| [02:03:25] | GreyFoxx: | that is a litle excessive |
| [02:03:32] | psm321: | yeah i know |
| [02:03:35] | GreyFoxx: | but I'd try optimizing the table daily |
| [02:03:46] | GreyFoxx: | see if it makes a difference without requiring a drop/reimport |
| [02:03:47] | psm321: | which table? |
| [02:03:49] | psm321: | oh |
| [02:03:55] | psm321: | program? |
| [02:03:58] | GreyFoxx: | which worst case you could do on a simple crontab |
| [02:03:59] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [02:04:36] | psm321: | i guess i could try that... i didnt think sd minded the pulls tho since they seem to recomend --refresh-all many places on the forums |
| [02:04:53] | SHADOW_V: | for one time fixes |
| [02:04:55] | GreyFoxx: | those are not recommended as a regular occurance |
| [02:04:55] | SHADOW_V: | not all the time |
| [02:04:57] | SHADOW_V: | i am sure |
| [02:06:38] | GreyFoxx: | Youcould script it to dump/clear/reimport the program table in like 3 or 4 lines of a bash script |
| [02:07:22] | GreyFoxx: | but you might wanna try a cronned optimize and see if it helps first |
| [02:08:42] | sphery: | psm321: did you mess with the storage engine in MySQL or are you using MyISAM? |
| [02:09:18] | sphery: | with MyISAM, you shouldn't see any different whether you dump&restore or analyze/optimize or neither |
| [02:09:56] | sphery: | with InnoDB, there may be some required maintenance, but I'm /sure/ the recommended approach is not to dump/restore your DB daily (otherwise, no one would be able to use MySQL for any real DB's) |
| [02:10:30] | psm321: | sphery: i'm using the default (isam i think) |
| [02:10:51] | kormoc: | isam != myisam... |
| [02:11:16] | psm321: | kormoc: i have no idea honestly, i'm just using whatever the default is |
| [02:11:42] | sphery: | kormoc: please correct me if I'm wrong/have the wrong names, too--as I know almost nothing about MySQL |
| [02:11:58] | kormoc: | nah, we use myisam, innodb is the other popular option |
| [02:12:12] | kormoc: | but isam is another engine type, and is still supported and would cause major issues if used |
| [02:12:19] | sphery: | but I remember a discussion with you where you said that analyze/optimize won't really help much with myth tables because of the way we use the DB |
| [02:12:46] | sphery: | won't hurt, but won't really help |
| [02:12:57] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [02:14:11] | sphery: | and the only way I could see a dump/restore helping with reschedules is due to memory caching |
| [02:14:31] | psm321: | i had this discussion with somebody before, i dont remember who |
| [02:14:33] | kormoc: | hrm |
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| [02:14:45] | sphery: | but if that's the case, there's likely a way to tune mysql to better use memory |
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| [02:14:50] | psm321: | i dont know about the theory, all i can say is that it empirically makes a difference for me |
| [02:15:10] | psm321: | it also makes a difference when i dump/reload the whole database, but i only do that every few months |
| [02:15:19] | kormoc: | http://wiki.mysqltuner.com/MySQLTuner#Quick_Start |
| [02:15:21] | sphery: | psm321: yeah, it was me--and I mentioned that kormoc knows way more than me (and GreyFoxx, too--IIRC, they both use MySQL in a commercial environment) |
| [02:15:28] | kormoc: | try running that and see what it says? |
| [02:15:59] | kormoc: | I think j-e-f-f-a found it and it seems to be fairly good for a quick glance tool :) |
| [02:16:02] | sphery: | ??? wget mysqltuner.pl |
| [02:16:08] | sphery: | don't you need an address? |
| [02:16:14] | kormoc: | That is the domain ;) |
| [02:16:16] | kormoc: | it's a funny trick |
| [02:16:19] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:16:30] | sphery: | no proto needed? that's cool |
| [02:16:30] | kormoc: | I was really amused by that |
| [02:16:37] | kormoc: | wget defaults to http |
| [02:16:42] | sphery: | wow |
| [02:16:55] | sphery: | are the devs in Poland or did they have to find someone? |
| [02:16:59] | kormoc: | no idea |
| [02:18:33] | sphery: | Wow. Could put your Python in Paraguay. |
| [02:18:44] | sphery: | Can't think of any other 2-letter language extensions... |
| [02:18:56] | kormoc: | rb is ruby |
| [02:19:05] | psm321: | http://pastebin.ca/1490305 |
| [02:19:51] | sphery: | We need a new country for Ruby. Could put Bourne shell scripts in St. Helena (.sh) |
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| [02:21:42] | kormoc: | psm321, Try following the variables to adjust, I'd also increase the table cache to 256 and the join buffer to 2048k |
| [02:22:19] | psm321: | kormoc: ok thanks, i'll try that this weekend (dont want to risk breaking something when i dont have time to mess with it) |
| [02:22:50] | sphery: | good luck... I hope this time--with advice from someone who knows what he's talking about--you get it fixed up. |
| [02:22:59] | SHADOW_V: | could changing those two things really break mysql |
| [02:23:44] | psm321: | well it could change the performance for the worse maybe? or even if it makes it better have unintended side effects? i dont know... just something i dont want to risk being up all night over |
| [02:24:05] | kormoc: | It's unlikely, but hey, it's always better to be cautios |
| [02:24:14] | psm321: | plus i'd have to find a time when i can restart mysqld and those happen more frequently during the weekend |
| [02:24:15] | SHADOW_V: | cautios |
| [02:24:16] | SHADOW_V: | ? |
| [02:24:24] | kormoc: | cautious |
| [02:24:28] | SHADOW_V: | :) |
| [02:26:36] | sphery: | psm321: how long do your rescheds take? For me (on an Athlon XP 2400+ w/ 1GB RAM), a "Reschedule requested for id -1." shows "322 items in 1.9 = 0.43 match + 1.44 place" on startup (Jun 27) and "Scheduled 333 items in 1.4 = 0.08 match + 1.31 place" today after mfdb (been running since the power outage on Jun 27). |
| [02:26:58] | sphery: | 102 rules |
| [02:27:02] | sphery: | you have about 30x that many |
| [02:27:32] | sphery: | and, out of curiosity, what kind of rules do you have? |
| [02:27:45] | psm321: | somewhere between 70 seconds on a good day (recent full reload of db) to 120–130 seconds on a bad day |
| [02:27:46] | sphery: | if you have mainly "this channel" rules, you'll get terrible performance with 3300 rules. |
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| [02:27:59] | psm321: | pretty much all my rules are any channel |
| [02:28:00] | psm321: | but |
| [02:28:14] | psm321: | theres a lot of them for "one-time" shows liek movies |
| [02:28:21] | sphery: | you'd actually be better off re-creating the "this channel" rules as custom rules specifying callsign (I know, makes no sense, but...) |
| [02:28:40] | sphery: | so, Find one showing on any channel for movies? |
| [02:28:45] | psm321: | basically i like to see in the program guide that something is already recorded rather than thinking its not and setting up a record again |
| [02:28:56] | psm321: | any time on any channel is what i set almost everything to |
| [02:29:09] | sphery: | even the movies? |
| [02:29:13] | psm321: | yeah |
| [02:29:24] | psm321: | because that way i see in the guide that its already recorded |
| [02:29:33] | sphery: | I think the find one would lighten the load on the scheduler significantly |
| [02:29:52] | sphery: | yeah, MythWeb shows it as previously recorded even without a matching rule |
| [02:29:55] | kormoc: | psm321, if you really want to dive into this, turn on the slow query log and we can use maatkit to analyze the scheduler query and see what's up |
| [02:29:56] | sphery: | the frontend doesn't, |
| [02:30:01] | psm321: | hence what i said about needing to code to make it the way i want without needing all the schedules... i need to change the guide to query the recorded stuff |
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| [02:30:37] | psm321: | i also have quite a few (maybe 50 or so) custom rules that use title like '%a%' |
| [02:30:45] | psm321: | i suspect those are expensivew |
| [02:30:49] | sphery: | with the guide now in mythui, it may actually be worth looking into adding information showing recording history there... |
| [02:30:50] | kormoc: | Those are |
| [02:31:03] | sphery: | title like '%a%' would be very expensive |
| [02:31:06] | sphery: | tons of matches |
| [02:31:08] | kormoc: | anything that's unanchored to the start of the string would be very nasty, as it breaks all indexing |
| [02:31:11] | psm321: | well not literally the letter a |
| [02:31:14] | kormoc: | that's a full tablescan... |
| [02:31:18] | sphery: | can you give me one of your match/place lines from the backend log? |
| [02:31:27] | sphery: | just out of curiosity |
| [02:31:43] | psm321: | sphery: those vary based on whether it's doing id 0, id -1, or id nnnn |
| [02:31:55] | sphery: | right, I'd like a -1 resched |
| [02:31:56] | psm321: | 2009-07–09 22:26:37.687 Reschedule requested for id 14151. |
| [02:31:56] | psm321: | 2009-07–09 22:29:06.863 Scheduled 11524 items in 149.0 = 0.09 match + 148.92 place |
| [02:32:09] | sphery: | wow... 149s |
| [02:32:13] | sphery: | what about -1 |
| [02:32:34] | psm321: | still looking for one, those are rare |
| [02:32:40] | psm321: | thats what --resched triggers right? |
| [02:32:43] | sphery: | search if id -1 |
| [02:32:50] | psm321: | i dont actually have logs |
| [02:32:53] | psm321: | just my console |
| [02:32:54] | SHADOW_V: | ffmpeg doesnt want to compile and throws me this error http://pastebin.com/d59e6807f |
| [02:32:58] | sphery: | -1 says do a full resched of all rules--as if nothing is scheduled |
| [02:33:06] | sphery: | and I think --resched will trigger one |
| [02:33:25] | sphery: | -1 is done on mbe startup and mfdb completion |
| [02:33:52] | sphery: | (and by EIT--this time I'll mention it so I don't cause anyone to "correct" me) |
| [02:34:15] | psm321: | sphery: the 149 was excessive, probably the cpu was busy or soemthing... doesnt happen that often |
| [02:34:28] | sphery: | I'm guessing I'll see a line for the -1 resched in about 2–3mins :) |
| [02:35:04] | sphery: | yeah, and on a Phenom 9850 |
| [02:35:13] | sphery: | are you using CPU frequency scaling? |
| [02:35:19] | psm321: | what i really want to do is "fix" (i'm not saying its necessarily broken, just that it's bad for me) the behavior where it keeps rescheduling from a minute before the record-preroll to when it actually starts |
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| [02:35:25] | sphery: | that can have deleterious effects on mysql performance |
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| [02:35:40] | psm321: | sphery: i dont think so, how can i check? |
| [02:35:48] | dan__t: | Hot damn. Exchanged that card, and now it works. Imagine that |
| [02:36:29] | psm321: | 2009-07–09 22:34:11.723 Reschedule requested for id -1. |
| [02:36:30] | psm321: | 2009-07–09 22:36:21.318 Scheduled 11513 items in 129.5 = 29.16 match + 100.34 place |
| [02:36:54] | psm321: | what i think is interesting is that the place time seems to scale down when the match is how so that it approximately adds up to the same amount |
| [02:41:36] | sphery: | psm321: what do you get from: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/{cpuinfo_min_freq,cpuinfo_max_freq,scaling_ governor,cpuinfo_cur_freq} |
| [02:41:51] | sphery: | hope I got the right place for that info |
| [02:42:52] | SHADOW_V: | i dont have cpurfreq under cpu0 |
| [02:42:56] | psm321: | i dont have a cpufreq directory in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu[0|1|2|3] |
| [02:43:02] | SHADOW_V: | heh |
| [02:43:16] | psm321: | i suspect i probably dont even have it compiled in |
| [02:43:26] | sphery: | maybe I should boot my laptop to look at where my scripts (which I can't find on my file server) read the info |
| [02:43:37] | psm321: | # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i freq |
| [02:43:38] | psm321: | # CPU Frequency scaling |
| [02:43:38] | psm321: | # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ is not set |
| [02:45:21] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, I'm adding a file browser for Screenshots in MythGame (doesn't make sense for that one to search for $romname.jpg any more with file browsers for fanart and boxart)... also adding plot for roms |
| [02:45:27] | iamlindoro: | Will have a patch up in a bit |
| [02:46:15] | ** kormoc is enjoying warehouse 13 ** | |
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| [02:46:44] | SHADOW_V: | kormoc, how is that i saw it last night and recorded it but havent gotten to it |
| [02:46:58] | kormoc: | I'm enjoying it :) |
| [02:50:22] | SHADOW_V: | now with all the fanart scripts do they get info on recordings as well |
| [02:54:53] | SHADOW_V: | EHH! |
| [02:55:27] | SHADOW_V: | ffmpeg seems to compile using make but when i try to use checkinstall it fails |
| [02:55:46] | SHADOW_V: | using this sudo checkinstall --fstrans=no --install=yes --pkgname=ffmpeg --pkgversion "3:0.svn`date +%Y%m%d`-12ubuntu3" --default |
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| [02:57:09] | SHADOW_V: | http://pastebin.com/d45a888c5 |
| [02:58:48] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/indyfoa.png |
| [02:58:51] | iamlindoro: | There, that's better |
| [02:59:12] | SHADOW_V: | sweet |
| [02:59:21] | SHADOW_V: | ya know i can play scummvm games on my n810 |
| [02:59:34] | iamlindoro: | you can play scumm games on a great many things |
| [02:59:54] | wagnerrp: | but theyre so.... scummy |
| [02:59:54] | SHADOW_V: | are they any good ;) |
| [03:00:04] | iamlindoro: | they're awesome |
| [03:00:14] | ** kormoc gets ready to kick SHADOW_V for the nerve! ** | |
| [03:00:39] | SHADOW_V: | isnt good that i have the nerve though ? |
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| [03:03:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro: wow! nice. |
| [03:03:45] | sphery: | wonder if there's banner art/backgrounds for PySol |
| [03:04:06] | iamlindoro: | Thanks... plot makes it much more like mythvideo, and I don't see a reason for the image hunt stuff to still be there for screenshots when we have this nice MythUI File browser |
| [03:04:10] | sphery: | (only game on any of my computers--unless you count xeyes) |
| [03:09:38] | iamlindoro: | blech, now I have to edit default and default-wide |
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| [03:11:14] | psm321: | sphery, kormoc: heres what happens after i purge the program table and refill it: |
| [03:11:17] | psm321: | 2009-07–09 23:08:55.817 Reschedule requested for id -1. |
| [03:11:17] | psm321: | 2009-07–09 23:10:39.265 Scheduled 11510 items in 103.4 = 23.70 match + 79.67 place |
| [03:11:50] | SHADOW_V: | psm321, how many tuners do you have |
| [03:13:21] | sphery: | psm321: btw, is your database on a disc that's not used for recording (or at least a filesystem that's not used for recording)? |
| [03:13:50] | psm321: | sphery: filesystem definitely different, disc i'm not sure let me check |
| [03:13:53] | psm321: | SHADOW_V: 5 |
| [03:14:00] | sphery: | filesystem is most important |
| [03:14:10] | psm321: | yes, different disk too |
| [03:14:24] | sphery: | just wondered if that might be part of the recording-start-up problem |
| [03:14:35] | psm321: | "place" shouldnt be affected by disk right? |
| [03:14:52] | sphery: | I think place is mainly cpu bound |
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| [03:15:26] | psm321: | sphery: i've traced the startup thing, basically the code assumes that a reschedule will take less than 30 seconds so starting from a minute before preroll, it runs reschedule and then it keeps running it repeatedly until theres less than 30 seconds left to record |
| [03:15:35] | psm321: | i havent figured out if theres a good reason for it yet |
| [03:16:21] | sphery: | should only reschedule the recordid's of the show being recording and only at recording start/end |
| [03:16:32] | sphery: | being recorded |
| [03:18:19] | psm321: | no it does id 0 |
| [03:19:24] | psm321: | perhaps its changed in more recent code? |
| [03:19:24] | sphery: | ah, yeah, it's 0 |
| [03:19:24] | psm321: | my copy is from over a year ago |
| [03:19:27] | sphery: | probably because of rollups |
| [03:19:39] | sphery: | (i.e. for multiple recordings starting at once) |
| [03:19:53] | sphery: | but 0 is basically re-run place and skip match |
| [03:20:14] | sphery: | so MySQL isn't really involved (match should be in the hundredths--or, worst case, tenths--of a second) |
| [03:20:36] | sphery: | it uses the matches found previously--as stored in recordmatch |
| [03:21:03] | psm321: | isnt the whole scheduling thing also doen through mysql |
| [03:21:12] | sphery: | only the match is |
| [03:21:23] | sphery: | the place phase is in code in myth |
| [03:21:23] | psm321: | oh |
| [03:21:32] | sphery: | I'm 99.99999% positive on that |
| [03:21:32] | psm321: | i didnt realize that |
| [03:21:37] | psm321: | i thought it was all a query |
| [03:21:44] | sphery: | starts with a query |
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| [03:22:13] | psm321: | mysqld cpu tends to go to 100% but i suppose that could be the match, i havent watched closely to see what id did that |
| [03:22:34] | wagnerrp: | slashdot seems to have failed |
| [03:23:30] | SHADOW_V: | eh ok i def think i need help |
| [03:23:44] | SHADOW_V: | i made ffmpeg from trunk |
| [03:24:00] | SHADOW_V: | when i try to check install it it gives me an error about a lib |
| [03:24:11] | sphery: | psm321: btw, do you have proper grants in place on mysql? I.e. your mythtv user needs to be able to create indices. |
| [03:24:47] | psm321: | i think i have a grant all to mythtv |
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| [03:25:03] | sphery: | ok |
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| [03:25:08] | psm321: | sphery: ok i agree with you about the place code now |
| [03:25:11] | sphery: | just looking at the code |
| [03:25:26] | sphery: | ah, so I don't need to keep reading it 'til I get to the place phase :) |
| [03:25:36] | SHADOW_V: | http://pastebin.com/d2168f3ec |
| [03:25:37] | sphery: | were you watching top or something? |
| [03:25:37] | psm321: | sphery: but that makes me wonder why the mysqld cpu goes high |
| [03:25:50] | kormoc: | is it all IO perhaps? |
| [03:25:58] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, any ideas |
| [03:25:59] | psm321: | sphery: yeah cpu usage is from top... my agreement from you on the code comes from looking at it |
| [03:26:09] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [03:26:11] | sphery: | ah |
| [03:26:24] | psm321: | kormoc: but it's already match'ed? or does it read the matches from disk again? |
| [03:26:29] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/d2168f3ec |
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| [03:26:54] | kormoc: | psm321, it goes into a temp table, if the table's too large it'll write it to the disk, so aye, it can |
| [03:26:58] | ** wagnerrp has no experience with .debs or dpkg ** | |
| [03:27:05] | psm321: | sphery: i'm actually a developer :) just not a DBA... and no free time to mess with myth code as much as i'd like |
| [03:27:30] | psm321: | kormoc: well i have lots of ram, so i guess i should tune the temp table goes to disk parameter? |
| [03:28:15] | kormoc: | max_heap_table_size and tmp_table_size |
| [03:28:21] | kormoc: | you need to tune both up |
| [03:28:44] | psm321: | i'd actually be perfectly happy to get it to read all of record into ram and read it from there :) (have 8gigs of it, mostly just sitting there except when firefox goes crazy) |
| [03:29:00] | psm321: | err, program |
| [03:29:08] | psm321: | and record i guess |
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| [03:29:32] | psm321: | and recorded or whatever lists the programs for that matter, maybe that would speed up the watch recordings screen coming up |
| [03:29:45] | psm321: | can i tell it to read-cache certain tables in ram? |
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| [03:31:27] | kormoc: | Nah, what you can do is tune up the cache sizes, but given what mysqltune.pl said, it's likely un-needed |
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| [03:36:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | kormoc, by your comment earlier did you mean the storing of multiple files or the encoding to mulitple formats? |
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| [03:36:24] | kormoc: | Storing of multiple files |
| [03:36:34] | kormoc: | xris is also looking into it right now |
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| [03:39:20] | sphery: | psm321: OK, during place, we run Scheduler::AddNewRecords() which has the big ugly scheduler query and Scheduler::AddNotListed() which has some much simpler MySQL usage |
| [03:39:29] | sphery: | psm321: so MySQL is definitely important during place |
| [03:39:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | I mentioned something about that in #mythtv yeasterday. I have some free time coming up and was thinking of working on that. |
| [03:40:15] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: xris is actually looking at hooking the delete recording code up to clear out recordedfile entries, too... Have you already done that? |
| [03:40:34] | sphery: | (it's not in the repo, yet, but didn't know if you have it in a patch) |
| [03:40:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | no, haven't done much except my proof of concept a long time ago that just prompted you as to whether to play an alternate file. |
| [03:41:26] | SHADOW_V: | anyone here familiar with debs and checkinstall |
| [03:42:05] | dan__t: | Hello. |
| [03:42:10] | sphery: | OK. I think he wants to store some info in recordedfile, so he'll need to make sure it's deleted with the recording (unless we do a recordedfile cleanup in the housekeeper, but that seems ugly as the only reason we have it for other recorded* is to catch the accidental orphans from when things go wrong) |
| [03:42:29] | dan__t: | So, yea, got this Hauppauge 1600 to work. Turns out, it was a bad card. |
| [03:43:03] | SHADOW_V: | nvm i got it woooooo |
| [03:43:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | recordedfile is easy to clean up in mainserver. I think part of the original intent was to store preview pngs in there also and be able to delete the png cleanup code. |
| [03:43:20] | SHADOW_V: | does mythflash use ffmpeg to stream |
| [03:44:50] | sphery: | SHADOW_V: the MythWeb flash streaming uses ffmpeg to transcode, then MythWeb code (perl?) streams it |
| [03:44:56] | SHADOW_V: | ok |
| [03:45:03] | SHADOW_V: | well then i have ffmpeg installed that works |
| [03:45:08] | psm321: | sphery: oh heh, i didnt go that deep, i just saw the function calls and that the ones i checked seemed to be doing computations |
| [03:45:10] | SHADOW_V: | finally on the to other steps to get itouch streaming |
| [03:45:39] | sphery: | psm321: yeah, I figured I should probably actually read the code to make sure my preconceived notions were in the ballpark, so I read deeper than ever before |
| [03:45:44] | psm321: | sphery,kormoc: perhaps i need a ramdisk thats somehow write-backed by a real file or something like that |
| [03:46:04] | psm321: | it would really be nice to eliminate all the disk i/o |
| [03:46:10] | psm321: | err disk i |
| [03:46:15] | psm321: | i still want the o :) |
| [03:46:43] | sphery: | I think you should do what kormoc suggested--"if you really want to dive into this, turn on the slow query log and we can use maatkit to analyze the scheduler query and see what's up" |
| [03:46:44] | kormoc: | you could try making your program table a heap table and see how that fairs |
| [03:47:09] | kormoc: | you'd just have to repopulate it after every mysql server startup |
| [03:48:11] | wagnerrp: | looks like ill have to update my systems again in a month or so |
| [03:48:35] | wagnerrp: | apparently FBSD8 just hit beta |
| [03:48:43] | sphery: | I think long before getting to this point--3300 recording rules--I'd have just modified the EPG code to display previously-recorded info. |
| [03:49:22] | psm321: | kormoc: actually with the disk i/o i'm more concerned about recorded/recordedprogram (can never remember which it is) — not scheduler related |
| [03:49:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, at 3300 entries, youve got a lot of shows that will never make an appearance on TV again |
| [03:49:40] | sphery: | recorded is the table of recordings |
| [03:49:52] | psm321: | sorry, i've got 2 different trains of thought going here |
| [03:50:08] | sphery: | recordedprogram is the info that was in the program table for 3 weeks around the time of the airing of the show that was recorded |
| [03:50:16] | psm321: | i very much doubt that disk i/o is a significant factor in the reschedule |
| [03:50:25] | dan__t: | lirc isn't very fun, huh |
| [03:50:45] | sphery: | yeah, the BUSQ is probably the main issue for you--with 3300 rules |
| [03:51:13] | sphery: | and it's in place so you'll hit it for each resched |
| [03:51:16] | psm321: | but i suspect its a large factor in loading my huge recordings list when i go in to watch recordings (or when it reloads that list) |
| [03:51:34] | sphery: | how many recordigns do you have? |
| [03:51:44] | sphery: | I have 900ish and my Watch Recordings is fast |
| [03:52:22] | psm321: | many more |
| [03:52:37] | sphery: | wonder how many is many |
| [03:52:41] | psm321: | fine fine |
| [03:52:49] | sphery: | just ballpark |
| [03:52:49] | psm321: | ~50000 |
| [03:52:51] | ** psm321 ducks ** | |
| [03:52:53] | sphery: | wow |
| [03:53:12] | sphery: | yeah, you're definitely not in the "normal use case" category here |
| [03:53:29] | iamlindoro: | Uhhh |
| [03:53:30] | psm321: | i know |
| [03:53:35] | iamlindoro: | *how* long have you had this mythbox? |
| [03:53:45] | psm321: | 4.5 years |
| [03:53:49] | psm321: | well the install |
| [03:53:56] | sphery: | I've had mine since Feb 2006 |
| [03:53:56] | psm321: | its gone thru variopus hardware |
| [03:54:02] | iamlindoro: | You've recording ~50 programs a day for > 3 years? |
| [03:54:07] | iamlindoro: | recorded |
| [03:54:08] | sphery: | oh, Feb 2004 |
| [03:54:12] | sphery: | wow, time flies |
| [03:54:21] | iamlindoro: | that doesn't even make sense |
| [03:54:31] | sphery: | and since Feb 2004, I've recorded 9206 shows |
| [03:54:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, maybe he's one of those "leave it on LiveTV" people who never expires. :) |
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| [03:55:08] | psm321: | iamlindoro: it was less before, more now |
| [03:55:14] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, heh |
| [03:55:14] | dan__t: | Anyone have the blaster that came with the Hauppauge 1600 working by chance? The only docs that the MythTV wiki has on this subject links to a page that's quite dated; I'm not sure that any of that info still applies. |
| [03:55:16] | psm321: | this is why i dont like to mention the number :) |
| [03:55:28] | psm321: | every time, it leads to a discussion of how crazy i am |
| [03:55:31] | sphery: | but we really want to know /how/ it happens |
| [03:55:34] | psm321: | which i know is true but still :) |
| [03:55:44] | iamlindoro: | I'd like to know how one justifies that to oneself |
| [03:55:46] | psm321: | sphery: severe packrat tendencies |
| [03:55:52] | sphery: | that would require a lot of capture cards and a lot of concurrent recordings |
| [03:55:54] | iamlindoro: | Well... at least that's honest |
| [03:56:18] | psm321: | a fear of not being able to find X again and wanting to watch it |
| [03:56:21] | psm321: | basically |
| [03:56:24] | psm321: | irrational i know |
| [03:56:24] | sphery: | and, really, a lot of users to actually be able to watch anywhere near that amount of tv |
| [03:56:39] | psm321: | i know |
| [03:56:46] | psm321: | i'll never watch most of it |
| [03:56:47] | iamlindoro: | 1642 days since install, means an average of 31 recordings per day |
| [03:56:51] | sphery: | (or some dedicated personal assistants to take care of everything while you do nothing but watch shows in 2x timestretch :) |
| [03:56:53] | psm321: | but when i want that 1 thing, i'll have it |
| [03:57:02] | iamlindoro: | and its 49,999 friends |
| [03:57:10] | psm321: | yes |
| [03:57:18] | psm321: | actually i'm still at around 49000 |
| [03:57:37] | sphery: | How long does it take you to scroll to the first title starting with the letter B in your Watch Recordings page? ;) |
| [03:57:38] | iamlindoro: | whew, I was starting to worry you were bats**t crazy |
| [03:57:56] | iamlindoro: | sphery, not a fair measure, that's all the numbers too ;) |
| [03:57:56] | psm321: | and when some day comcast pisses me off enough that i finally cancel i'll have years worth of material to still watch |
| [03:58:05] | sphery: | iamlindoro: good point |
| [03:58:35] | psm321: | sphery: depends, some days it seems to scroll a lot faster than others, not sure why |
| [03:58:35] | sphery: | in my day, people just horded canned goods and water for their fallout shelters |
| [03:58:37] | wagnerrp: | sounds more like decades worth of material |
| [03:58:46] | sphery: | now, they're hording TV :) |
| [03:59:09] | psm321: | maybe i should just make a webpage and point people at it when they ask |
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| [03:59:20] | psm321: | i feel like i've had this conversation like 10 times now :) |
| [03:59:44] | psm321: | sphery: around 3–4 seconds |
| [03:59:46] | ** kormoc finds it amusing that someone with 50k recordings is annoyed at doing anything 10 times ** | |
| [03:59:50] | psm321: | with pg dn held down |
| [04:00:54] | wagnerrp: | just how mush storage room do you have? |
| [04:01:05] | sphery: | Mad Max 4: The Media Warrior |
| [04:01:06] | wagnerrp: | i mean i dont transcode, but my recordings are all a couple GB a piece |
| [04:01:16] | kormoc: | I thought he said in the past that he goes to 120 megs per 30 minutes? |
| [04:01:24] | sphery: | Control the pre-apocalyptic media, control the survivors... |
| [04:01:39] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/comi.png |
| [04:01:42] | iamlindoro: | Thar we go |
| [04:01:51] | SHADOW_V: | thar she blows |
| [04:01:52] | iamlindoro: | now my MythGame, she canna die happy |
| [04:02:30] | psm321: | kormoc: nice memory :) yep |
| [04:02:39] | frogonwheels: | iamlindoro: nice |
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| [04:03:55] | SHADOW_V: | i'm having trouble understanding why the instuctions in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Streaming_to_iPod_touch_or_iPhone Expire transcoded recordings |
| [04:04:14] | SHADOW_V: | in deleting old files is saying to add another identical foreach loop |
| [04:07:15] | SHADOW_V: | did the author mean to change the extension to flv |
| [04:07:20] | SHADOW_V: | for the flash video file |
| [04:08:15] | wagnerrp: | well thats a bunch of crap... |
| [04:08:29] | wagnerrp: | the picture in mallrats that supposedly has a sailboat, has no sailboat |
| [04:08:34] | wagnerrp: | its just a bunch of random shapes |
| [04:08:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | SHADOW_V, he says if you are using mythflash just modify your existing script by adding another for loop to delete the iPod mp4 files. |
| [04:09:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/you are using/you are _already_ using/ and s/modify your existing/modify your _already_ existing/ |
| [04:10:06] | SHADOW_V: | ohhh nvm i thought he meant flash within mythweb |
| [04:10:11] | SHADOW_V: | thats why i was confused |
| [04:10:46] | sphery: | yeah, the flash streaming in MythWeb is not called mythflash :) |
| [04:11:08] | SHADOW_V: | got confused ffmpeg has frustrated me for 4 hours |
| [04:12:01] | wagnerrp: | mythflash was some mythweb modification and accompanied user job (written for 0.18?) that would transcode an additional file into flash, which could subsequently be streamed through mythweb |
| [04:12:12] | SHADOW_V: | ah alright |
| [04:12:24] | SHADOW_V: | but other than that is the streaming to ipod wiki page good |
| [04:12:28] | SHADOW_V: | i am following it |
| [04:13:16] | dan__t: | *HEADDESK* *HEADDESK* *HEADDESK* *HEADDESK* *HEADDESK* |
| [04:13:27] | SHADOW_V: | i am almost done so hopefully that was the only issue |
| [04:13:51] | wagnerrp: | dan__t: yeah... LIRC can do that to people |
| [04:14:03] | wagnerrp: | its almost as bad as ALSA |
| [04:14:13] | SHADOW_V: | lirc causing more deaths than bsod's |
| [04:14:15] | SHADOW_V: | GASP |
| [04:14:32] | dan__t: | Actually. |
| [04:14:35] | dan__t: | It just might be worse. |
| [04:14:56] | dan__t: | Fry's Electronics is closed now... damnit. |
| [04:15:09] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, what are you thoughts of the new monkeys island so far |
| [04:15:37] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V, busy week, I don't think I'm going to get to it until the weekend |
| [04:15:54] | SHADOW_V: | oh ok well gl hope you find the time for it |
| [04:16:06] | iamlindoro: | Hope so |
| [04:16:08] | SHADOW_V: | dont forget to put AA to 16x |
| [04:16:27] | iamlindoro: | I'd rather see sprites that a screen full of goo |
| [04:16:46] | SHADOW_V: | sprites? |
| [04:16:59] | ** iamlindoro weeps for our youth ** | |
| [04:17:05] | frogonwheels: | indeed |
| [04:17:26] | dan__t: | So I hit 'Watch TV', and mythfrontend blinks once real quick, then goes back to the main menu |
| [04:17:33] | dan__t: | Anyone have any idea what that's all about? |
| [04:17:42] | kormoc: | I bet the logs do! |
| [04:17:47] | SHADOW_V: | dan__t, do you have everything setting in the be correctly |
| [04:17:50] | dan__t: | I see nothing. |
| [04:17:52] | SHADOW_V: | i agree with kormoc |
| [04:17:52] | wagnerrp: | dan__t: it means for whatever reason, mythfrontend cannot access the recording file |
| [04:17:58] | wagnerrp: | the tuner make be broken |
| [04:18:00] | dan__t: | As I understand, yes, SHADOW_V. |
| [04:18:06] | wagnerrp: | you may have a file permissions issue |
| [04:18:11] | iamlindoro: | The loggles, they do nosing! |
| [04:18:14] | dan__t: | I can see its output with mplayer, and have that device configured properly. |
| [04:18:25] | dan__t: | Let me play with increasing log verbosity... should have done that to begin with. |
| [04:18:41] | iamlindoro: | it's doubtful you need to increase verbosity |
| [04:18:49] | iamlindoro: | and far more likely you need to look at the right log |
| [04:18:53] | wagnerrp: | just check the backend logs |
| [04:18:57] | wagnerrp: | see why its not recording |
| [04:19:43] | wagnerrp: | if the backend can record the file, the frontend will play it (assuming no unforeseen bugs in mythtv) |
| [04:20:13] | dan__t: | Understood. |
| [04:27:45] | SHADOW_V: | in the streaming ti itouch page there is a part where it describes updating the recording.php page where it describes a line yet i have not found the exact line and was wondering if the line i found was in the correct place |
| [04:28:05] | SHADOW_V: | its in ln 367 of recorded.php |
| [04:28:15] | SHADOW_V: | of .21-fixes |
| [04:28:25] | kormoc: | nah |
| [04:28:41] | kormoc: | just have a .mp4 file called the same as the .mpeg file and the streaming interface will pick it up |
| [04:28:50] | kormoc: | ooh, you're 0.21? |
| [04:29:39] | SHADOW_V: | yeah .21 |
| [04:30:10] | SHADOW_V: | was i wrong to follow this |
| [04:30:11] | SHADOW_V: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Streaming_to_iPod_touch_or_iPhone |
| [04:30:31] | kormoc: | So is anyone else surprised that Conan didn't talk about Billy May's death after he was just on the show? |
| [04:30:40] | kormoc: | nah, that's likely the best for 0.21 |
| [04:30:49] | SHADOW_V: | oh ok thanks kormoc |
| [04:31:01] | SHADOW_V: | http://pastebin.com/d425611c |
| [04:31:04] | SHADOW_V: | thats the example |
| [04:31:26] | SHADOW_V: | kormoc, maybe his writers didn't know what to say |
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| [04:41:05] | iamlindoro: | Wawaweewah |
| [04:41:10] | iamlindoro: | HDHR $122 |
| [04:42:07] | iamlindoro: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0010Y414Q |
| [04:42:33] | iamlindoro: | (More Buying choices, Antonline) |
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| [04:48:25] | SHADOW_V: | eh |
| [04:48:32] | SHADOW_V: | and the trouble shooting begins |
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| [04:52:21] | SHADOW_V: | http://pastebin.com/d696817a |
| [04:56:14] | SHADOW_V: | fixed that issue |
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| [04:56:55] | SHADOW_V: | isnt ffmpeg supposed to use both cores on a dual core system |
| [04:58:22] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg can only multithread encode those codes which are multithreaded |
| [04:58:26] | iamlindoro: | codecs |
| [04:58:29] | SHADOW_V: | oh ok |
| [04:58:32] | SHADOW_V: | that makes sense |
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| [04:58:52] | sphery: | if a woodchuck could chuck wood |
| [04:59:09] | SHADOW_V: | he would be a woodchuck |
| [04:59:17] | sphery: | Oh, wait, guess "ffmpeg can only multithread encode those codes which are multithreaded" isn't the first line of that |
| [05:03:15] | iamlindoro: | mythtv can only decode those codecs which decode with multiple threads if mythtv wants to multithreaded decode? |
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| [05:04:26] | wagnerrp: | the ffmpeg-mt stuff is only for decoding, not encoding? |
| [05:06:09] | iamlindoro: | it's both |
| [05:06:19] | iamlindoro: | I was just making up random tongue twisters |
| [05:06:32] | SHADOW_V: | is there a way to see ffmpegs progress on a file |
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| [05:09:10] | Dagmar: | You can always look at the size of the growing output file |
| [05:11:12] | wagnerrp: | Holmes... a Guy Ritchie take on Sherlock Holmes with Robert Downey.... that should prove interesting |
| [05:12:13] | Dagmar: | Some people consider ebola interesting, too. |
| [05:13:03] | wagnerrp: | i take it you dont like Guy Ritchie stuff? |
| [05:15:17] | Dagmar: | No, I don't like broken detective fiction |
| [05:15:28] | SHADOW_V: | ffmpeg choked on one of my recordings |
| [05:15:29] | SHADOW_V: | http://pastebin.com/d2367b02a |
| [05:15:36] | Dagmar: | That's nice. |
| [05:15:57] | SHADOW_V: | Dagmar, you arent to fond of too many thigns are you |
| [05:16:10] | Dagmar: | Just wondering when this became #ffmpeg |
| [05:16:14] | wagnerrp: | Mama Cass choked on a ham sandwich |
| [05:16:37] | Dagmar: | You're not even trying to hunt down the right people to ask stuff |
| [05:16:49] | SHADOW_V: | fine you win this time |
| [05:17:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, youre going to get occasional stream errors with ATSC, no matter how good your signal |
| [05:18:01] | SHADOW_V: | its qam from a stb |
| [05:18:11] | SHADOW_V: | stupid bs comcast signal |
| [05:18:17] | wagnerrp: | same thing |
| [05:19:25] | SHADOW_V: | xris, are you around if you dont mind i have a question to ask about the streaming to ipod wiki page that involved the recorded.php page |
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| [05:34:37] | iamlindoro: | Anyone know if foobum's audio stuff is going to make it in for .22? That's stuff been around (and he's been updating it) for a long time... would be nice to see it make it in |
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| [05:46:00] | xris: | SHADOW_V: I don't know anything about ipod streaming. |
| [05:46:08] | xris: | my ipod doesn't do that kind of thing. |
| [05:47:03] | SHADOW_V: | xris, i just meant the actuall php behind that is discussed |
| [05:49:48] | SHADOW_V: | on this part of the php |
| [05:50:14] | SHADOW_V: | the shows are generated as /2113_20090709203000.mpg.mp4 |
| [05:50:30] | SHADOW_V: | but it seems like it is searching for something that is only .mp4 |
| [05:50:34] | SHADOW_V: | or would that still work |
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| [05:51:28] | SHADOW_V: | and sorry to bother you |
| [05:51:54] | xris: | SHADOW_V: like I said, I don't know anything about it. If it's ipod-related, kormoc is the one you want to talk to |
| [05:52:17] | SHADOW_V: | alright thanks for the headsup |
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| [05:52:32] | wagnerrp: | seems i managed to crash the backend by throwing bad things at it over mythproto |
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| [05:54:06] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend exited on signal 10.... exited on a bus error? |
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| [06:04:07] | SHADOW_V: | anyone with some experience with php around |
| [06:04:55] | SHADOW_V: | .mp4 files are being created and the added php from the wiki page should create a watch button when it detects files that end in .mp4 but it isnt finding them |
| [06:05:03] | SHADOW_V: | http://pastebin.com/d8f37457 |
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| [06:05:53] | wagnerrp: | you mean it just keeps returning the 'Encode?'? |
| [06:05:59] | SHADOW_V: | yeah |
| [06:06:08] | SHADOW_V: | which i dont know enough to debug |
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| [06:06:57] | wagnerrp: | well its obvious, youre looking for a file like 1004_200907092000.mpg.mp4 |
| [06:07:15] | SHADOW_V: | i just checked mythweb/data/recordings and there are 2 .mp4 files one created through the encode? and one through the mythweb user script |
| [06:07:16] | SHADOW_V: | yeah |
| [06:07:27] | SHADOW_V: | 2113_20090709203000.mpg.mp4 7108_20081020163000.mpg.mp4 |
| [06:07:51] | wagnerrp: | oh, that is the file being created? |
| [06:07:58] | wagnerrp: | i would have thought the mpg was dropped |
| [06:08:09] | SHADOW_V: | yeah |
| [06:08:17] | SHADOW_V: | i thought .mpg would of been dropped as well |
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| [06:09:19] | SHADOW_V: | maybe if(file_exists(($show->filename) . '.mp4')) adding extra brackets like that around $show->filename? |
| [06:09:27] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt basename() return the name without the .mpg? |
| [06:09:47] | wagnerrp: | so it would just be 7108_20081020163000 |
| [06:09:52] | SHADOW_V: | thats what i thought |
| [06:10:08] | SHADOW_V: | but maybe filename drops the .mpg in there |
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| [06:13:23] | SHADOW_V: | on a mouse over http://127.0.0.1/mythweb/data/ipodencoder.php . . . convert=true |
| [06:13:26] | SHADOW_V: | thats what appears |
| [06:13:32] | SHADOW_V: | if that helps |
| [06:17:31] | kormoc: | basename is the filename, including the suffix |
| [06:17:34] | kormoc: | (by default) |
| [06:17:57] | kormoc: | if you did basename($file, '.mpg'), it'd strip off the .mpg |
| [06:18:59] | SHADOW_V: | so this if(file_exists($show->filename . '.mp4')) woudlnt work |
| [06:19:03] | SHADOW_V: | to find a .mp4 |
| [06:19:13] | kormoc: | no |
| [06:19:37] | SHADOW_V: | hmm so thats why it isnt finding anything |
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| [06:20:23] | SHADOW_V: | so how do i modify that to find something like this 7108_20081020163000.mpg.mp4 |
| [06:20:35] | kormoc: | erm |
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| [06:20:43] | kormoc: | figure out what the filename is set to and then see? |
| [06:20:57] | kormoc: | var_dump($show->filename); |
| [06:21:08] | SHADOW_V: | k |
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| [06:23:43] | SHADOW_V: | well thats not right |
| [06:24:23] | SHADOW_V: | unless i am doing something wrong it hold this value |
| [06:24:24] | SHADOW_V: | string(48) "myth://192.168.0.6:6543/10053_20090113224200.mpg" |
| [06:25:05] | SHADOW_V: | i did that is that the right way to do it |
| [06:25:07] | SHADOW_V: | echo var_dump($show->filename); |
| [06:25:18] | SHADOW_V: | or just vardum |
| [06:25:19] | SHADOW_V: | p |
| [06:25:24] | kormoc: | it's the same |
| [06:25:38] | kormoc: | that's the value held by the properity |
| [06:25:56] | SHADOW_V: | well that would never match |
| [06:26:06] | kormoc: | That's likely true |
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| [06:27:08] | SHADOW_V: | well whats weird is http://pastebin.com/d8f37457 |
| [06:27:31] | SHADOW_V: | $file= basename($show->filename); |
| [06:27:45] | SHADOW_V: | because from what i can tell the encode? part works |
| [06:27:46] | wagnerrp: | thats because it wants to give you the web link |
| [06:27:50] | wagnerrp: | rather than the file link |
| [06:28:00] | SHADOW_V: | hmm |
| [06:28:13] | wagnerrp: | but it should be checking to see if the file link exists |
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| [06:28:41] | SHADOW_V: | hmm so how would i get it to do that |
| [06:28:48] | wagnerrp: | it should be doing that |
| [06:28:50] | wagnerrp: | it should be working |
| [06:28:57] | wagnerrp: | what is $show->filename? |
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| [06:29:15] | SHADOW_V: | string(47) "myth://192.168.0.6:6543/7108_20081020163000.mpg" |
| [06:29:27] | wagnerrp: | well thats just wrong |
| [06:29:37] | SHADOW_V: | yeah i said that too |
| [06:30:09] | wagnerrp: | it should be something like /<your recording directory>/7108_20081020163000.mpg |
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| [06:31:58] | SHADOW_V: | so how do i get it to do that |
| [06:32:46] | SHADOW_V: | btw $file = string(24) "10053_20090113224200.mpg" |
| [06:33:10] | phunyguy: | awesome – I am getting ripped off on ebay for my media center |
| [06:33:21] | SHADOW_V: | why do you say that |
| [06:33:32] | wagnerrp: | SHADOW_V: what file is that in? |
| [06:33:41] | phunyguy: | i shipped out my frontend that i linked you guys to a while back |
| [06:33:55] | phunyguy: | guy said he received an empty/busted computer case |
| [06:33:58] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, this one $file = basename($show->filename); |
| [06:34:00] | phunyguy: | i mean comon now |
| [06:34:03] | phunyguy: | i know what i sent out |
| [06:34:10] | wagnerrp: | what file... in mythweb... |
| [06:34:30] | wagnerrp: | what are you editing |
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| [06:34:41] | SHADOW_V: | recorded.php in mythweb |
| [06:34:48] | SHADOW_V: | as per http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Streaming_to_iPod_touch_or_iPhone |
| [06:34:56] | wagnerrp: | phunyguy: you have the shipping receipts? the shipped weight? |
| [06:35:15] | wagnerrp: | cases tend to be very light when empty |
| [06:36:06] | wagnerrp: | have him photograph everything that came in the box |
| [06:36:14] | wagnerrp: | find the weights of said components |
| [06:36:19] | wagnerrp: | compare them to the shipped weights |
| [06:36:24] | wagnerrp: | go to ebay with the information |
| [06:36:48] | wagnerrp: | you did get payment BEFORE shipping right? |
| [06:36:56] | wagnerrp: | or is paypal withholding the funds or something? |
| [06:39:34] | wagnerrp: | SHADOW_V: that seems to be considerably different from the files in trunk |
| [06:39:59] | SHADOW_V: | well my recorded.php is different than the one described on the page |
| [06:40:07] | SHADOW_V: | but i still managed to find the right spot to put it in |
| [06:43:00] | phunyguy: | yes wagnerrp – 27lbs |
| [06:43:17] | phunyguy: | paypal is holding the funds |
| [06:43:19] | phunyguy: | AGAIN |
| [06:43:29] | phunyguy: | they held it initially because its a high risk transaction |
| [06:43:37] | wagnerrp: | high risk? |
| [06:43:45] | phunyguy: | then when he disputed they reapplied the hold – only i had already transferred the money |
| [06:43:57] | phunyguy: | so now my paypal balance is a couple hundred in the neg. |
| [06:44:06] | phunyguy: | high risk – electronics |
| [06:45:24] | wagnerrp: | do they have a bad record? do you have a bad record? |
| [06:45:30] | phunyguy: | negative and negative |
| [06:45:36] | wagnerrp: | i mean at this point, its just your word against theirs |
| [06:45:41] | wagnerrp: | do they have any record? |
| [06:45:44] | phunyguy: | yes |
| [06:45:46] | phunyguy: | a very good one |
| [06:45:48] | phunyguy: | and so do i |
| [06:45:50] | wagnerrp: | huh... |
| [06:45:57] | phunyguy: | thats the odd part |
| [06:46:04] | wagnerrp: | is it full of bogus purchases? |
| [06:46:09] | phunyguy: | but he was also very rude to me about 10 minutes after delivery |
| [06:46:11] | wagnerrp: | ive seen that before |
| [06:46:17] | phunyguy: | could be – but they are well spaced apart |
| [06:46:26] | phunyguy: | over 6 years |
| [06:46:31] | phunyguy: | he sent me a nasty email |
| [06:46:35] | phunyguy: | "what the f..." |
| [06:46:41] | phunyguy: | cussing all over the place |
| [06:47:30] | wagnerrp: | i mean you have a record that everything was in there at the time of shipping |
| [06:47:38] | phunyguy: | just the weight |
| [06:47:40] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, how do pass directory to the if loop i cant figure it out |
| [06:47:43] | phunyguy: | i know i shipped a 27lb package |
| [06:47:57] | wagnerrp: | well is he going to say you shipped a slug of lead in there? |
| [06:48:01] | phunyguy: | if UPS picks it up and its less than 25lbs..... |
| [06:48:13] | phunyguy: | and in his claim he didnt say anything was added to make it 27lbs |
| [06:48:18] | phunyguy: | he said it was empty. |
| [06:48:30] | phunyguy: | less than 27lbs i meant* |
| [06:48:32] | wagnerrp: | so if its empty, either hes lying, or UPS removed the contents |
| [06:48:38] | phunyguy: | exactly |
| [06:48:40] | phunyguy: | that is my hope. |
| [06:48:43] | wagnerrp: | thats all there is to it |
| [06:49:00] | phunyguy: | and if he fills it with junk to make weight... i call him on it., |
| [06:49:04] | phunyguy: | due to initial claim. |
| [06:49:11] | wagnerrp: | if he didnt request shipping insurance, its up to him to take the claim with UPS |
| [06:49:36] | phunyguy: | it was included by UPS for free |
| [06:49:44] | phunyguy: | up to a certain amount i think |
| [06:49:46] | wagnerrp: | up to what amount? |
| [06:49:51] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, only $100 |
| [06:49:59] | phunyguy: | but it had a declared value of $220 (auction amount) |
| [06:50:05] | phunyguy: | thats the other thing that irks me |
| [06:50:10] | phunyguy: | the case alone was worth $200 |
| [06:50:15] | phunyguy: | Antec Fusion v2 |
| [06:50:46] | phunyguy: | i sold that PC at a HUGE loss. |
| [06:50:54] | phunyguy: | AND i am getting ripped off. |
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| [06:53:04] | SHADOW_V1: | how do i get this if loop to be like this if(file_exists(/mythweb/data/recordings basename($show->filename). '.mp4')) |
| [06:53:30] | phunyguy: | how much would you think a motherboard/cpu/ram/hard drive/CD drive/HD tuner would weigh? |
| [06:53:34] | phunyguy: | about 10 lbs? |
| [06:53:51] | SHADOW_V1: | about that |
| [06:53:51] | wagnerrp: | whatever the case doesnt weigh |
| [06:53:59] | wagnerrp: | im sure Antec has detailed specs on their site |
| [06:54:42] | wagnerrp: | 21.6lbs |
| [06:54:44] | phunyguy: | 21.6lb on Antec |
| [06:54:49] | phunyguy: | lol nice |
| [06:55:06] | phunyguy: | so at least 5 lbs |
| [06:55:07] | wagnerrp: | SHADOW_V: can we get a ruling on that one? |
| [06:55:32] | wagnerrp: | well beirdo says i won |
| [06:55:37] | ** wagnerrp throws up the horns ** | |
| [06:55:46] | phunyguy: | hah i love that name. |
| [06:56:26] | phunyguy: | ok i need to sleep for a few hours before work. |
| [06:56:30] | phunyguy: | cya |
| [06:56:35] | wagnerrp: | night |
| [06:56:52] | SHADOW_V1: | night |
| [06:57:21] | SHADOW_V1: | wagnerrp, you win at guessing computer component weight over me |
| [06:58:23] | SHADOW_V1: | eh so any ideas to fix my problem |
| [06:58:29] | SHADOW_V1: | it seems like thats the only thing left |
| [06:58:32] | wagnerrp: | well i *thought* i had found a bug |
| [06:58:38] | SHADOW_V1: | when |
| [06:58:50] | wagnerrp: | announcing a FileTransfer socket on an existing Monitor socket caused a crash |
| [06:58:59] | wagnerrp: | but i cant seem to repeat it |
| [06:59:23] | SHADOW_V1: | ah yeah dont you love it when that happens |
| [06:59:48] | wagnerrp: | just complains that im announcing multiple times in the logs |
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| [07:08:33] | SHADOW_V1: | how do i do this |
| [07:08:34] | SHADOW_V1: | if(file_exists(/in/this/dir . '.mp4')) |
| [07:08:42] | SHADOW_V1: | in php |
| [07:08:55] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
| [07:09:24] | wagnerrp: | the problem seems to be that mythweb no longer uses a direct filename to access the recordings any longer |
| [07:10:12] | wagnerrp: | or at least $show->filename is no longer the proper variable you want to use |
| [07:10:40] | SHADOW_V1: | wagnerrp, yeah i know but if i can find a way to have the if loop do this if(file_exists(/mythweb/data/recordings/$file . '.mp4')) |
| [07:10:42] | SHADOW_V1: | it will work |
| [07:10:50] | SHADOW_V1: | or atleast i like to believe it will |
| [07:11:05] | wagnerrp: | that path is the web path, you want the file path |
| [07:11:34] | wagnerrp: | the period just means 'concatenate strings' |
| [07:11:43] | SHADOW_V1: | wagnerrp, that webpath is linked to the recording dir |
| [07:12:05] | wagnerrp: | so do '/<your storage path>/' . $file . '.mp4' |
| [07:12:16] | wagnerrp: | but dont expect that to work if you have more than one recording path |
| [07:12:24] | SHADOW_V1: | no i dont |
| [07:12:26] | SHADOW_V1: | :) |
| [07:18:51] | SHADOW_V1: | wagnerrp, the var dump of $file is string(29) "4294967295_20080708045714.mpg" |
| [07:19:03] | SHADOW_V1: | does the string info showup as well |
| [07:19:05] | wagnerrp: | as far as i can tell, the absolute file path is now only available through the perl bindings |
| [07:19:25] | SHADOW_V1: | so i have to use perl pindings to make it work |
| [07:19:26] | SHADOW_V1: | ? |
| [07:19:41] | wagnerrp: | no, more that you cannot make it work trivially |
| [07:19:53] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm |
| [07:20:05] | SHADOW_V1: | there must be a way to get it to work |
| [07:20:13] | wagnerrp: | you would have to write a bit of php to go figure out the file path, in the same manner that the perl scripts are currently doing |
| [07:20:51] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm well i do not know much php but if someone could nudge me in the right direction i would do it and update the wiki |
| [07:21:16] | SHADOW_V1: | wagnerrp, why wouldnt this work if(file_exists('/mythweb/data/recordings/'. $file . '.mp4')) |
| [07:21:39] | SHADOW_V1: | if var_dump($file); gives string(29) "4294967295_20080708045714.mpg" |
| [07:22:10] | wagnerrp: | do you have a folder /mythweb/data/recordings? |
| [07:22:36] | SHADOW_V1: | yes |
| [07:22:49] | SHADOW_V1: | thats symlinked to my recording directory |
| [07:22:58] | wagnerrp: | meaning, you type in 'ls /mythweb/data/recordings', and it wont tell you that folder doesnt exist? |
| [07:23:19] | SHADOW_V1: | :/var/www/mythweb/data/recordings$ ls *.mp4 |
| [07:23:19] | SHADOW_V1: | 2113_20090709203000.mpg.mp4 7108_20081020163000.mpg.mp4 |
| [07:23:44] | wagnerrp: | so... you dont have a '/mythweb/data/recordings' then |
| [07:24:02] | SHADOW_V1: | why dont it |
| [07:24:04] | SHADOW_V1: | i* |
| [07:24:08] | SHADOW_V1: | its there |
| [07:24:24] | wagnerrp: | type in that command, and tell me what it says |
| [07:25:16] | SHADOW_V1: | within www root? |
| [07:25:27] | wagnerrp: | just run that command on the terminal |
| [07:25:32] | SHADOW_V1: | i get it |
| [07:26:01] | wagnerrp: | so you understand why it wont work now? |
| [07:26:05] | SHADOW_V1: | but when a webpage runs that it only access the browsers root directory |
| [07:26:40] | wagnerrp: | client-side scripting can only access files the browser makes available |
| [07:26:52] | wagnerrp: | server-side scripting runs across the full filesystem |
| [07:27:07] | wagnerrp: | or a limited filesystem if the webserver runs chrooted |
| [07:27:21] | wagnerrp: | but it is not limited to the web root |
| [07:27:44] | SHADOW_V1: | wagnerrp, so if i did /var/www/mythweb/data/recordings it would work |
| [07:27:47] | wagnerrp: | '/' in php is the same as '/' to any other program |
| [07:27:51] | wagnerrp: | yes, that would work |
| [07:27:59] | SHADOW_V1: | ah ok |
| [07:28:38] | SHADOW_V1: | F yeah it works |
| [07:28:39] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm |
| [07:28:49] | SHADOW_V1: | now i have to figure out a way so i can update it on the wiki |
| [07:28:53] | SHADOW_V1: | and have it work for others |
| [07:29:28] | wagnerrp: | IMO, the whole thing is broken |
| [07:29:48] | SHADOW_V1: | because of how it pulls the recording info? |
| [07:29:50] | wagnerrp: | if you wanted to fix it properly, you would write a perl handler which would pipe the file through |
| [07:30:03] | wagnerrp: | rather than have the server access the file directly |
| [07:30:09] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm right |
| [07:30:34] | wagnerrp: | because requiring people to link in the recordings folder limits them to a single recording disk |
| [07:30:35] | SHADOW_V1: | do you think i would get help if i did that because i am fully willing to do it but am going to need some help |
| [07:30:50] | SHADOW_V1: | right |
| [07:31:03] | SHADOW_V1: | if you use the built in way to handle files there is less fussing with that |
| [07:32:19] | wagnerrp: | im thinking the link would be a static link to the file |
| [07:33:17] | wagnerrp: | something like http://.../pl/stream/<chanid>/<recordtime>.mp4 |
| [07:33:40] | SHADOW_V1: | right |
| [07:34:00] | SHADOW_V1: | i think i may have some time to look into it tomorrow |
| [07:34:02] | wagnerrp: | the perl script would check for the file, if it existed, it would cat it through... if not, it would transcode on-the-fly like the flash stuff |
| [07:34:18] | wagnerrp: | you could probably copy-paste most of the asx streaming stuff |
| [07:34:27] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm |
| [07:34:28] | SHADOW_V1: | really |
| [07:34:48] | SHADOW_V1: | because all the solutions i have seen thus far need to have user jobs and do transcoding then stream |
| [07:34:50] | SHADOW_V1: | nothing on the fly |
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| [07:43:39] | wagnerrp: | so many perl dependencies for mythweb.... |
| [07:44:10] | wagnerrp: | including one that apparently does not exist, fantastic |
| [07:44:53] | SHADOW_V1: | :) |
| [07:45:04] | dan__t: | lirc makes baby jesus cry |
| [07:45:17] | wagnerrp: | anyway, just for kicks |
| [07:45:38] | wagnerrp: | copy the 'direct download' button, copy it into the address bar, and add .mp4 |
| [07:45:42] | wagnerrp: | see what happens |
| [07:47:18] | SHADOW_V1: | it works except the one that comes up is .mpg |
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| [07:51:11] | wagnerrp: | seems all you have to do is change the userjob to drop the ',mpg' from the filename |
| [07:51:29] | wagnerrp: | and then use the built in mp4 file stream capacity |
| [07:51:44] | wagnerrp: | make sure its in the same directory as the original recording and youre golden |
| [07:52:22] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm so it seems like with some mods to plstream itll work |
| [07:52:33] | wagnerrp: | no mods needed |
| [07:52:48] | wagnerrp: | just change the userjob to drop the '.mpg' from the filename |
| [07:52:57] | wagnerrp: | so its just <chanid>_<starttime>.mp4 |
| [07:53:02] | SHADOW_V1: | and how will it take care of transcoding it |
| [07:53:15] | wagnerrp: | the userjob will handle that like normal |
| [07:53:42] | SHADOW_V1: | itll do mp4 and h.264 |
| [07:53:44] | SHADOW_V1: | ? |
| [07:53:53] | wagnerrp: | whatever the userjob is programmed to do |
| [07:54:02] | SHADOW_V1: | could i give a resolution to do |
| [07:54:08] | wagnerrp: | whatever the userjob is programmed to do |
| [07:54:36] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm so using the user job i setup? |
| [07:54:36] | wagnerrp: | the perl streaming stuff in mythweb does nothing more than dump the file through the web server |
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| [07:55:08] | wagnerrp: | if you want to transcode on-the-fly, look into /mythweb/modules/stream/stream_flv.pl to see how it works |
| [07:55:22] | SHADOW_V1: | sweet yeah that would be great |
| [07:55:36] | wagnerrp: | copy/paste into stream_mp4.pl, and change the ffmpeg command as desired |
| [07:56:20] | SHADOW_V1: | great i cant wait to get started |
| [07:56:43] | dan__t: | Alright, Showgirls is on. |
| [07:56:52] | dan__t: | Hmmm, fight with lirc, or watch Showgirls. Gee. |
| [07:56:59] | SHADOW_V1: | lirc |
| [07:57:19] | wagnerrp: | you can probably drop most of that stuff, if you just set the width/height/bitrate statically |
| [07:58:04] | dan__t: | lirc is generally a pain in the ass, right? |
| [07:58:29] | SHADOW_V1: | right which i would do since i know what the itouch can handle |
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| [09:06:12] | juski: | back to my old adage. lirc is a bitch. you have to make it *your* bitch ;) |
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| [09:19:07] | dan__t: | This Hauppauge 1600 blaster just doesn't want to work. Period. |
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| [09:34:20] | juski: | hmm. that's worrying. our warehouse has absolutely no HDD mounting screws in stock |
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| [09:43:04] | stuarta: | morning! |
| [09:47:19] | dan__t: | Hi. |
| [09:49:23] | juski: | it's friday morning :D |
| [09:49:37] | stuarta: | \o/ |
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| [09:54:22] | juski: | eey Torchwood was pretty good last night..tempted to take back some of the bad things I've said about RTD |
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| [09:55:17] | stuarta: | i'm waiting till i have all 5 episodes, then i'll watch em |
| [09:55:55] | juski: | edit out the aerial (padding) shots ;) |
| [09:56:06] | juski: | then watch it as a 2 hour show :P |
| [09:59:04] | stuarta: | :) |
| [09:59:19] | stuarta: | much use will be made of skip -> 20s |
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| [10:04:14] | rah: | I have a bit of a problem compiling mythtv |
| [10:04:23] | juski: | myers? |
| [10:04:44] | juski: | I had a bit of a problem once but the doc gave me some tablets and it went away |
| [10:04:58] | rah: | yuv2rgb.cpp: In function ‘void (* yuv2rgb_init_mmxext(int, int))(uint8_t*, uint8_t*, uint8_t*, uint8_t*, int, int, int, int, int, int)’: |
| [10:05:01] | rah: | yuv2rgb.cpp:352: error: ‘mmxext_rgb16’ was not declared in this scope |
| [10:05:09] | rah: | http://pastebin.com/m2273e59 |
| [10:05:16] | juski: | ahh missing dependencies |
| [10:05:32] | rah: | erm |
| [10:05:41] | rah: | I don't think so |
| [10:22:16] | juski: | uhh, why the hell does every unit I get back from UL have internal power cables cut ffs? |
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| [10:23:11] | juski: | they've chopped the sata HDD power cables about 2mm from the connector body. C***s |
| [10:23:49] | juski: | and guess who doesn't have any spare cables :D Oh well. |
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| [11:31:37] | awalls: | dan__t: If you are still having problems with your HVR-1600, |
| [11:31:53] | awalls: | please send email to the ivtv-users list or the linux-media list |
| [11:32:21] | awalls: | IRC + pastbin is not good for things that need some analysis |
| [11:33:05] | awalls: | But I can tell you, that until you get the CPU (Capture Processing Unit) running, |
| [11:33:15] | awalls: | nothing is going to work. |
| [11:33:51] | awalls: | All diver to firmware API commands and all video buffer transfers are handled by the CPU |
| [11:34:10] | awalls: | Gotta go to work – bye. |
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| [11:38:17] | stuarta: | Capture Processing Unit??? what a stupid thing to call it |
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| [11:55:05] | juski: | aka video decoder |
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| [12:00:43] | juski: | maybe it really stands for "Core Picture Unit" :p |
| [12:04:53] | AndyCap: | so where is the HCPU? |
| [12:06:50] | juski: | oh crap. now what mythtv is playing is starting to appear as tweets |
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| [13:02:54] | juski: | this just isn't on. I mean,having to do real work |
| [13:03:48] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
| [13:03:53] | stuarta: | on a friday and all! |
| [13:04:45] | juski: | nearly done, though :) |
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| [13:11:42] | juski: | whee. Put a 'n-e-t-v-u i-n-f-e-c-t-e-d' label on the box, affix rubber pads for the feet.. and voila! |
| [13:13:12] | juski: | s/infected/connected ;) |
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| [13:16:29] | mazda01: | someone please help me with my PVR-350 ir recevier. it stoppped working after I upgraded to Jaunty |
| [13:17:53] | clever: | mine broke ages ago |
| [13:17:58] | clever: | i think when i left 6.06 |
| [13:18:33] | stuarta: | i never had one |
| [13:19:13] | clever: | my pvr150 is now in a closer where the ir receiver wont do much good |
| [13:19:40] | clever: | though ive now got a joystick hooked up to mythfrontend and its working alot nicer then a keyboard |
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| [13:21:09] | juski: | in the same way cheese is a lot nicer tasting than iron filings |
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| [13:22:16] | clever: | juski: the one thing it cant do, is control the volume with the throttle control |
| [13:23:07] | juski: | and you REALLY don't wanna sit on it by accident :P |
| [13:23:26] | clever: | i'm more likely to sit on a flat keyboard |
| [13:23:36] | clever: | then get analy penetraded by a joystick:P |
| [13:23:44] | juski: | just get a remote :) |
| [13:23:47] | juski: | s/remote/job |
| [13:24:07] | clever: | i have plenty of remotes, just nothing to receive them |
| [13:24:22] | mazda01: | what does it mean when irw won' |
| [13:24:32] | mazda01: | t show any input from my remote? |
| [13:24:40] | juski: | mazda01: generally means lirc isn't running |
| [13:24:49] | juski: | or lircd.conf is misconfigured |
| [13:24:50] | clever: | something between irw and the remote is broken |
| [13:25:35] | juski: | use 'mode2' to find out if the receiver is actually working when lirc is running |
| [13:25:49] | mazda01: | juski, i am using a PVR-350 ir receiver. it worked before I upgraded. lirc is definitely running, there is /dev/lirc0 /dev/lirc1 /dev/lircd0 and /dev/lircd1 |
| [13:26:19] | mazda01: | could it be a hardware.conf that got changed during upgrade. I just don't know what to look for? |
| [13:26:19] | clever: | i dont think i get that far |
| [13:26:29] | clever: | and im not shure if mode2 would work with the pvr receiver |
| [13:26:32] | juski: | stuff tends to work before people upgrade stuff for no good reason |
| [13:26:44] | juski: | mazda01: you likely lost the working config |
| [13:26:58] | mazda01: | heres my hardware.conf: http://pastebin.com/f747840d1 |
| [13:27:20] | juski: | hey you could restore the backup hardware.conf you took before you upgraded |
| [13:27:33] | mazda01: | clever, irw used to work with this exact setup in Hardy Heron |
| [13:27:47] | clever: | yeah irw will work more then mode2 |
| [13:28:17] | mazda01: | juski, funny. I unfortunately didn't create a backup. but you I am guessing you already assumed that. |
| [13:28:27] | juski: | hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge ... got that file? |
| [13:28:32] | clever: | i allways do the upgrades from console |
| [13:28:39] | clever: | and it asks what to do for every config file |
| [13:28:46] | clever: | and i back them up as it goes |
| [13:30:51] | mazda01: | yeap, it's in /usr/share/lirc/remotes/. http://pastebin.com/feea3363 |
| [13:31:28] | mazda01: | clever, it did ask me along the way what to do with changed config files but I don't remember seeing anything about lirc files? |
| [13:31:58] | mazda01: | my serial ir transmitter still works but the ir receiver stopped working. |
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| [13:37:04] | mazda01: | i wonder if jaunty mythtv is even using /etc/lirc/hardware.conf because i remember having to change a line in the hardware.conf to tell it to use the SAE8000 for TRANSMITTER but now it's back to saying Serial Port (UART) : Scientific Atlanta Cable box BUT the transmitter isn't waht I am having problems with>???????? |
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| [13:37:55] | clever: | check the lirc startup script to see what config it tells lircd to use |
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| [13:38:50] | juski: | is Jaundiced Jackoffalope the latest now? |
| [13:39:27] | Dibblah: | I think Kute Koala is in development. |
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| [13:39:51] | mazda01: | juski, the latest released version. Karmic Koala is the latest not released yet though |
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| [13:40:15] | juski: | I seem to always be about 10 releases behind :) |
| [13:40:23] | mazda01: | clever, http://pastebin.com/f2548972f |
| [13:40:34] | clever: | no mouse here, cant copy links |
| [13:41:05] | mazda01: | juski, yeah, they move fast. one every 6 months about. that's why I am not sure if it's good using mythtv with ubuntu if I am going to be upgrading that often! |
| [13:41:39] | juski: | if it don't broke... |
| [13:41:40] | clever: | mazda01: i just stoped upgrading |
| [13:41:50] | clever: | every upgrade seems to break shit |
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| [13:42:28] | juski: | I have so little 'fun' with my mythtv system it's believable :) |
| [13:42:52] | mazda01: | clever, these are the permissions on /dev/lirc*: http://pastebin.com/d1363be2b |
| [13:43:57] | mazda01: | clever, so you can't look at my lirc startup script? what should I paste from it to see what might be wrong? |
| [13:45:26] | mazda01: | clever, I see this in there: if [ -f /etc/lirc/hardware.conf ];then |
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| [13:45:49] | clever: | yeah, if the file exists, source it to include the variables |
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| [13:46:24] | clever: | where is your hardware.conf pastebin? |
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| [13:47:24] | mazda01: | clever, here: http://pastebin.com/f5bad0336 |
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| [13:56:57] | gbee: | iamlindoro: Fate of Atlantis, that brings back memories :) |
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| [13:59:22] | jams: | never did finish that game |
| [13:59:59] | gbee: | I hate to use a walkthrough after getting hopelessly stuck |
| [14:01:23] | gbee: | some of the puzzles fell into the "really, really obscure" category, not unlike many of the text adventures that proceeded/followed it |
| [14:01:30] | jams: | it's one of the few games I walked away from. I got stuck and it seemed to suck all the fun of it. |
| [14:01:49] | sphery: | what is it with clueless people building Myth with tons of unnecessary/unwanted --disable flags? |
| [14:02:06] | sphery: | (and then getting all confrontational/rude when people try to tell them not to) |
| [14:02:27] | gbee: | yeah I walked away for years, but when I was clearing out some old stuff I found it again and decided to give it another try (with the help of a walkthrough) |
| [14:02:43] | gbee: | sphery: I call it the Gentoo effect |
| [14:02:50] | sphery: | yeah, probably right |
| [14:02:57] | sphery: | "lean and mean" (and broken) |
| [14:03:01] | jams: | agreed |
| [14:03:16] | sphery: | (not always Gentoo, but the Myth builds with --disable-audio-oss, etc., definitely are) |
| [14:03:48] | jams: | what? someone was building with --disable-audio-oss |
| [14:04:20] | gbee: | sphery: some help text along the lines of "Do not use the following options unless you know what you are doing, broken builds caused by ignorance won't be supported" |
| [14:04:33] | jams: | i understand wanting to remove all traces of ALSA but oss .... |
| [14:05:22] | sphery: | jams: yeah, guy who got really rude to janneg/Dibblah in #mythtv |
| [14:05:48] | sphery: | He seems to be one of these power users who knows that OSS is deprecated, so he's using the newer/sexier ALSA |
| [14:05:51] | jams: | oh rah i have seen him around |
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| [14:06:04] | sphery: | i.e. someone who has no clue what OSS or ALSA are in the context of Myth |
| [14:06:06] | Dibblah: | Wasn't really rude, just unnecessarily confrontational. |
| [14:07:10] | sphery: | I thought the "I DON'T REMEMBER ASKING YOU A ********* THING" was flat out rude |
| [14:07:31] | sphery: | confrontational, too, but rude--to anyone reading the scrollback, even |
| [14:08:22] | gbee: | almost banned him, but I prefer to keep that a last resort |
| [14:08:24] | jams: | well Dibblah did ask him to be more confrontational =) |
| [14:08:40] | sphery: | Oh, yeah. Forgot that. |
| [14:08:54] | gbee: | aye, which is why I gave him the benefit of the doubt |
| [14:09:34] | gbee: | he's from the UK and without our sense of humour he might just have been having a joke |
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| [14:11:48] | Dibblah: | Shame. He's gone. |
| [14:12:25] | sphery: | looked like he was building with missing deps, right? (Some of his last errors) |
| [14:13:13] | sphery: | if so, perhaps better questions than "why the --disable* args" would be, a) why is he building it in the first place and b) why is he using trunk |
| [14:15:11] | sphery: | Hmmm... I thought the issue in #6708 was fixed, but I can't find any tickets/commits to indicate so. |
| [14:16:52] | iamlindoro: | gbee, heh, yeah, I love that game |
| [14:19:08] | jams: | sphery- Wasn't that problem with -fixes ? the first report of that type of bug |
| [14:20:03] | sphery: | yeah, it was reported there |
| [14:20:14] | sphery: | and a long time ago |
| [14:20:17] | sphery: | iirc |
| [14:20:32] | jams: | it was some time ago |
| [14:23:29] | sphery: | Yay! Today is July 10th, so "I am out of province," guy will return and his stupid mail server will quit sending vacation messages to the list! |
| [14:23:54] | sphery: | (at least he's getting the digest, so it's only one per day) |
| [14:23:58] | Essobi: | Morning |
| [14:26:34] | iamlindoro: | #6703 is bogus |
| [14:26:57] | iamlindoro: | "Also for the record: This problem did exist in the custom versions by Paul for 0.21 and 0.22 before the latest integration of ffmpeg into myth. The reason I'm reporting this now is I feel the support for dvb-t in Norway is now more or less "official"" |
| [14:27:20] | iamlindoro: | But since there is still no LATM support in Myth, it's not |
| [14:29:12] | gbee: | sphery: thought it had been fixed too |
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| [14:44:47] | wagnerrp: | well changeset 20797 broke freebsd support |
| [14:44:52] | wagnerrp: | after that, it no longer compiles |
| [14:44:59] | wagnerrp: | looks like that was the sync |
| [14:46:11] | wagnerrp: | this the birthday/death of Tesla? |
| [14:46:22] | wagnerrp: | ah, birthday |
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| [14:49:19] | rah: | the documentation tells me that I should use mythfilldatabase |
| [14:49:35] | rah: | I'm running subversion mythtv |
| [14:49:43] | rah: | do I need to use mythfilldatabase? |
| [14:49:53] | stuarta: | do you want guide data? |
| [14:49:54] | wagnerrp: | what is 'subversion mythtv'? |
| [14:50:18] | rah: | I was told in here that it isn't necessary to run mythfilldatabase and that the documentation is out of date |
| [14:50:18] | gbee: | an underground branch of mythtv |
| [14:50:30] | rah: | stuarta: yes, I want guide data |
| [14:50:33] | gbee: | dedicated to bring down the 'establishment' |
| [14:50:41] | wagnerrp: | i mean there are branches on subversion all the way back to 0.18 |
| [14:50:42] | stuarta: | you don't need MFDB if and only iff you use EIT data instead |
| [14:50:45] | wagnerrp: | what are you running? |
| [14:50:52] | gbee: | rah: mythfrontend --version |
| [14:51:15] | rah: | stuarta: can I have both? |
| [14:51:28] | rah: | gbee? |
| [14:51:29] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [14:51:48] | wagnerrp: | you do not want to mix listing providers on a single source |
| [14:51:53] | stuarta: | for different sources you can |
| [14:52:02] | stuarta: | because then it breaks |
| [14:52:09] | wagnerrp: | different listing providers will provide slightly different information about episodes |
| [14:52:11] | stuarta: | if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces |
| [14:52:16] | gbee: | rah: several different versions of mythtv are kept in the Subversion repo, so that doesn't tell us which version you are actually using |
| [14:52:20] | wagnerrp: | it will break the previous recording checking |
| [14:52:27] | rah: | gbee: trunk |
| [14:52:32] | stuarta: | it basically goes to shit |
| [14:53:00] | rah: | ok, it sounds like it doesn't cope well with using both |
| [14:53:05] | rah: | how do I use EIT data? |
| [14:53:19] | wagnerrp: | you can run mythtv with mixed providers if you only run 'new episodes only', but otherwise its broken (and cant really be fixed) |
| [14:53:43] | rah: | wagnerrp: I'd imagine it could be fixed |
| [14:54:06] | wagnerrp: | mythtv checks repeats based off the description string |
| [14:54:08] | stuarta: | not easily |
| [14:54:15] | wagnerrp: | different providers will change the description string |
| [14:54:33] | stuarta: | you use EIT by configuring it as the data source |
| [14:54:36] | wagnerrp: | the only way to fix it would be to make mythtv actually able to understand the description it is reading |
| [14:54:43] | rah: | stuarta: and then what? |
| [14:54:51] | stuarta: | run it |
| [14:54:55] | rah: | run what? |
| [14:55:13] | stuarta: | the backend |
| [14:55:20] | rah: | I did that before |
| [14:55:29] | stuarta: | the it'll go and lurk on all your channels and collect EIT data |
| [14:55:31] | rah: | I didn't get any data |
| [14:55:39] | stuarta: | did you have any channels? |
| [14:55:43] | rah: | yes, of course |
| [14:56:00] | stuarta: | did you go through steps 1 – 6 of mythtv-setup in order? |
| [14:56:17] | rah: | I would imagine so |
| [14:56:29] | stuarta: | you should know |
| [14:56:37] | stuarta: | people have a habit of trying to skip items |
| [14:56:50] | stuarta: | this results in badly configured myth which won't work |
| [14:57:09] | stuarta: | you need 1. a data source configured for EIT |
| [14:57:25] | stuarta: | 2. that datasource connected to the input card |
| [14:57:37] | stuarta: | 3. scan for channels on that datasource |
| [14:57:57] | rah: | I did that |
| [14:58:03] | rah: | I didn't get any data |
| [14:58:19] | stuarta: | how long did you leave it? |
| [14:58:23] | rah: | days |
| [14:58:49] | rah: | I hope it works this time |
| [14:59:23] | stuarta: | sphery: isn't there something on the cardinput to turn on if you want EIT?? |
| [14:59:35] | wagnerrp: | how do you force an endline in a ticket on trac? |
| [14:59:42] | stuarta: | html |
| [14:59:45] | stuarta: | <p> |
| [14:59:57] | wagnerrp: | ah... tried <br> and it was ignored |
| [15:00:50] | wagnerrp: | nope, thats ignored too |
| [15:00:53] | sphery: | stuarta: there's a setting on the input connections page, IIRC (though I think it's stored in some dtv table or something...) |
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| [15:02:06] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, the 'code' block does what i need |
| [15:04:05] | stuarta: | okay there must be, its in capturecard in the DB |
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| [15:04:08] | sphery: | stuarta: also, mkrufky was playing with EIT (though US-style--probably from cable) and found it only worked after he enabled Open DVB card on demand) |
| [15:04:33] | stuarta: | thats card specific |
| [15:04:51] | sphery: | oh, seems it needs to be enabled for the HVR-1600 :) |
| [15:05:09] | stuarta: | rah: there should also be an option on the card configuration to allow EIT |
| [15:05:10] | sphery: | you're right, too--I think it's in the capture card page, not input connections |
| [15:05:22] | rah: | stuarta: yes, I seem to recall enabling such an option |
| [15:05:28] | stuarta: | please check |
| [15:05:42] | rah: | this isn't the setup I have now |
| [15:05:49] | rah: | it was a setup I gave up on before |
| [15:06:00] | rah: | the setup I have now isn't set up yet :) |
| [15:06:09] | ** stuarta bangs head against desk ** | |
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| [15:06:23] | ** gbee puts pillow on desk ** | |
| [15:06:32] | gbee: | can't have stuarta hurting himself, can we? |
| [15:06:33] | ** stuarta demands booze ** | |
| [15:06:56] | ** rah gives stuarta some Erdinger ** | |
| [15:07:06] | rah: | I just wanted to know how it should be done |
| [15:07:11] | rah: | because it isn't documented |
| [15:07:12] | stuarta: | hrm, weiss beer.... |
| [15:07:21] | rah: | which I recalled from when I gave up before |
| [15:07:33] | rah: | you've told me know |
| [15:07:39] | rah: | so I shouldn't have any problems |
| [15:07:42] | rah: | thank you |
| [15:07:44] | stuarta: | see i thought you were having trouble setting it up |
| [15:08:23] | ** wagnerrp loves weiss bier, admits beer isnt supposed to be that easy to drink ** | |
| [15:08:27] | sphery: | rah: just make sure you compile it properly--i.e. without --disable-audio-oss if you're building on GNU/Linux--otherwise, even if you get it set up, it will be broken |
| [15:08:31] | rah: | not yet, although no doubt I will :) |
| [15:08:45] | sphery: | OSS has to be enabled on GNU/Linux or you'll have breakage |
| [15:08:46] | rah: | sphery: why will it be broken with --disable-audio-oss? |
| [15:08:48] | stuarta: | weiss beer disagrees with me |
| [15:08:56] | gbee: | sphery: it shouldn't as it happens, since he's using DVB-T |
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| [15:09:02] | sphery: | because it won't be able to put sound in any software-encoded video--including transcodes |
| [15:09:12] | sphery: | mythtranscode will be broken |
| [15:09:19] | rah: | sphery: why does it need OSS for that? |
| [15:09:35] | sphery: | because the code for using the ALSA API to do that isn't in |
| [15:09:43] | sphery: | and note that it's /only/ the use of the API |
| [15:09:48] | rah: | O_O |
| [15:09:50] | sphery: | it has /no/ effect on what you need installed on your system |
| [15:09:56] | sphery: | i.e. you don't have to install OSS |
| [15:10:07] | ** wagnerrp gets lost in configure ** | |
| [15:10:10] | sphery: | (though, really, OSS4 kicks ALSA's but) |
| [15:10:34] | ** rah <- JACK developer ** | |
| [15:10:41] | rah: | OSS4 sucks, I'm afraid :) |
| [15:11:00] | stuarta: | feel free to fix myth's jack support then |
| [15:11:02] | sphery: | but aren't you disabling JACK, too? |
| [15:11:07] | stuarta: | that's spectacularly crap |
| [15:11:20] | rah: | I'd rather not |
| [15:11:28] | sphery: | even if OSS4 is bad, it's leaps and bounds above ALSA |
| [15:11:29] | rah: | myth's code doesn't agree with me :) |
| [15:11:45] | sphery: | Now, kernel OSS sucks, but OSS4 is very different |
| [15:12:11] | rah: | I suspect we have very different expectations |
| [15:12:12] | gbee: | and very much better |
| [15:12:28] | rah: | and different ideas about what constitutes sucking |
| [15:12:33] | jams: | heck OSS3 was better then alsa |
| [15:12:47] | rah: | define "better" :) |
| [15:13:11] | gbee: | rah: yeah I'd expect that someone who has a use for Jack would probably see things very differently from the general population, you have very different requirements |
| [15:13:49] | stuarta: | the howto documentation on EIT is basically non existant |
| [15:14:02] | rah: | http://pkl.net/~node/teasel/linux-audio-03.jpeg |
| [15:14:06] | sphery: | anyway, with http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3405 , you /might/ be able to configure without oss API usage, but as it's not even in trunk, I'm guessing that the owner has some planned changes before it will go in |
| [15:14:09] | wagnerrp: | gbee: at least theyre on the same side of things as far as pulseaudio |
| [15:14:20] | rah: | I woud be surprised if OSS was usable for that |
| [15:14:20] | gbee: | OSS4 is far superior to Alsa for users who just want audio which is easy to setup and use, Alsa is far from being that |
| [15:14:57] | sphery: | ALSA seems to be a lot like Compiz--a "because we can" kind of design |
| [15:15:38] | wagnerrp: | wait... 'Headphones input'? |
| [15:15:56] | rah: | sphery: actually, it was more "because OSS can't cut it" |
| [15:16:25] | rah: | wagnerrp: it's a bus; it has input but it's only used for output |
| [15:16:43] | sphery: | I'll agree that the OSS in the kernel--which was a snapshot of an old OSS--couldn't cut it |
| [15:16:51] | gbee: | I've never seen software which is as prevalent as Alsa and yet so obviously not designed to be user-friendly (myth comes close at times ;) ) |
| [15:16:52] | rah: | wagnerrp: that control allows you to adjust the input |
| [15:16:59] | sphery: | and, if licensing of OSS were different, there may have been more push to fix OSS in kernel |
| [15:17:08] | sphery: | but instead, a bunch of people decided to reinvent the wheel |
| [15:17:20] | gbee: | and here we're really talking about the userspace side of alsa, not the drivers |
| [15:17:26] | sphery: | and, OSS development continued, then it got GPL'ed, and now it's actually nice |
| [15:18:18] | rah: | sphery: bear in mind that, at the time ALSA was created, the only thing OSS could do was accept write() after open()ing /dev/dspX |
| [15:18:32] | gbee: | though the OSS4 drivers are nice from a user perspective too, i.e. they actually work when Alsa drivers sometimes don't |
| [15:18:36] | sphery: | yeah, when ALSA started, OSS was awful |
| [15:18:41] | rah: | I don't even know if it's capable of anything more now |
| [15:19:05] | sphery: | I just dislike the whole "start over from scratch" approach |
| [15:19:23] | wagnerrp: | any way in a config.ep to figure out what compiler its trying to use? |
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| [15:20:28] | rah: | think of it like this: you have 1000 nails to knock in, and someone offers you a pair of scissors |
| [15:20:34] | sphery: | rah: anyway, for now, either don't use --disable-audio-oss or apply the patch on #3405 (and cross your fingers and hope for the best), but if you have any problems with audio, don't report bugs if you used --disable-audio-oss :) |
| [15:20:49] | sphery: | instead, you could fix the patch on #3405 and submit an updated one |
| [15:20:55] | rah: | you look at the scissors and think "how the fuck is this supposed to help?" |
| [15:20:58] | sphery: | problems with audio would include transcodes without audio |
| [15:20:59] | rah: | then you go and buy a hammer |
| [15:21:26] | rah: | scissors = OSS, hammer = ALSA |
| [15:21:28] | sphery: | or get a committee of people to design a hammer which ends up being a pile driver |
| [15:21:43] | sphery: | :) |
| [15:21:53] | rah: | actually, there was one main guy and then another guy came along and started to help |
| [15:22:24] | rah: | because he realised, actually, if he did it Right, he could have a pile driver capable of banging in 1,000,000m nails |
| [15:22:32] | sphery: | ah, don't know it's dev history, but it just looked a lot like design by committee |
| [15:23:07] | sphery: | anyway, Myth uses ALSA for output without problems |
| [15:23:14] | sphery: | Myth only uses OSS API for input |
| [15:23:22] | sphery: | on GNU/Linux, that is |
| [15:23:29] | rah: | if you don't use --disable-audio-oss, go it, thanks |
| [15:23:35] | rah: | s/go/got/ |
| [15:24:05] | sphery: | yeah, with --disable-audio-oss, it uses nothing for audio input, so you get no sound if myth encodes/transcodes things :) |
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| [15:34:41] | iamlindoro: | gbee: The change you committed for the item detail screen-- trying to understand-- So now it can never be a popup on top of the video menu? I would have thought the popup stack would be better as one could either make it a popup (and show the screen behind it) or just add a background if they wanted it to be a different screen |
| [15:35:06] | iamlindoro: | I may just misunderstand the change, though |
| [15:37:57] | iamlindoro: | (actually fairly sure I'm misunderstanding it, but if you'd care to set me straight...) |
| [15:43:14] | gbee: | iamlindoro: which stack it is in doesn't affect how it appears, you can make any screen appear to look like a popup (less than fullscreen) |
| [15:43:56] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I see, thought it might be that-- So what does the change... erm... change? |
| [15:45:29] | gbee: | the different stacks are more practical, they allow the main screen to change or even continue to be used when a popup is on-screen i.e. the popups aren't modal, they don't block usage of the main window |
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| [15:45:46] | iamlindoro: | Ah-hah, that makes perfect sense, thanks for explaining it to me |
| [15:45:46] | jams: | sweet |
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| [15:46:16] | iamlindoro: | Guess I should replicate that change for the identical screen in mythgame |
| [15:47:39] | gbee: | that's less important for most menu popups, but for stuff like the miniplayer where you might want it to appear on screen all the time but without interfering with navigation through the frontend |
| [15:48:20] | gbee: | if that makes sense |
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| [15:48:29] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, looks like it's already in the main stack in MythGame, never mind that then |
| [15:48:30] | jams: | sure does |
| [15:48:47] | iamlindoro: | yes, it does, I appreciate your taking the time to explain it |
| [15:51:44] | jams: | nice, seems I can only start trunk mythfrontend once or twice. After that it segfaults, but trying in a different xterm works for another one or two tries. |
| [15:52:33] | iamlindoro: | well that's odd |
| [15:52:55] | jams: | yes it is |
| [15:55:51] | jams: | if anybody cares heres the output of from mythfrontend, http://pastebin.com/m1bb068f7 |
| [15:56:03] | wagnerrp: | well battlestar came in the mail, im officially in the red |
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| [16:04:00] | iamlindoro: | spacewise or monetarily? |
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| [16:04:18] | wagnerrp: | space |
| [16:05:19] | wagnerrp: | im about a dozen GB short on the RAID for both battlestar and heroes, plus im picking up about 60GB of reruns over the next two weeks |
| [16:05:28] | meshe: | hehe, jams' mythbox has the same hostname as my parents mythbox |
| [16:05:47] | wagnerrp: | replacing recordings from before i switched to digital |
| [16:06:22] | iamlindoro: | toldja HD-DVD was a great deal :) |
| [16:07:22] | wagnerrp: | for stuff made older than a year ago anyway |
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| [16:08:27] | SHADOW_V: | well thanks to the help of afew people it works streaming to itouch from mythweb works |
| [16:08:46] | wagnerrp: | you get the on-the-fly stuff working? |
| [16:08:57] | SHADOW_V: | except currently i am using a crude hack i had to throw together to get it to work which breaks if someone has storage groups |
| [16:09:12] | wagnerrp: | well *everyone* has storage groups |
| [16:09:15] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, nope i havnt gotten any farther then when i feel asleep |
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| [16:09:18] | wagnerrp: | do you mean multiple directories? |
| [16:09:28] | jams: | meshe- actually thats the desktop |
| [16:09:28] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, yeah i am going to be working on it today |
| [16:09:45] | SHADOW_V: | and getting it better i went to sleep shortly after i got it working |
| [16:09:49] | jams: | i rarely run myth on it, just compile & testing |
| [16:09:49] | SHADOW_V: | it was nearing 5 am |
| [16:09:54] | SHADOW_V: | i am allowed to sleep |
| [16:09:58] | SHADOW_V: | or atleast so i though |
| [16:10:20] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you might want to make a new script all together, name it stream_ipod.pl or something |
| [16:10:31] | wagnerrp: | and change handler.pl to grab off the .ipod extension |
| [16:10:56] | wagnerrp: | since the streamed filename is independent of the web path |
| [16:11:02] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, yeah after i eat i am going to start working on it so i can update the wiki make and make it more than a crude hack |
| [16:11:45] | wagnerrp: | then you just need to figure out the ffmpeg settings you need, and replace them in the existing stream_flv.pl |
| [16:11:57] | wagnerrp: | and then add a link somewhere on the webpage |
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| [16:13:04] | wagnerrp: | so apparently Nathan Ford is not up with the times |
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| [16:21:25] | sphery: | jams: several people have been having the "works one or two times then segfaults consistently thing" |
| [16:21:32] | sphery: | which Mesa do you have? |
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| [16:22:28] | sphery: | and which video drivers? |
| [16:22:34] | mkrufky: | does anybody use uPNP to use Windoes Media Player (yuck) to play content off a mythbackend? |
| [16:22:46] | wagnerrp: | i have in the past, why? |
| [16:22:53] | sphery: | jams: Have you tried setting LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT |
| [16:23:19] | mkrufky: | my WMP under Vista (yuck again) sees the recordings, but is unable to play them |
| [16:23:23] | jams: | sphery nvidia 185.18.14 mesa 7.4.4–1, and no I haven't tried that setting |
| [16:23:28] | jams: | just ran into it today |
| [16:23:29] | sphery: | mkrufky: according to stuarta, the requirement to use "Open DVB card on demand" for EIT to work is card-dependent |
| [16:23:29] | AndyCap: | mkrufky: worked beautifully with ivtv mpeg and my PS3. dunno about wmp |
| [16:23:45] | wagnerrp: | mine would play anything off of my digital and encoders cards |
| [16:23:47] | SHADOW_V: | mkrufky, in my expereience aslong as there are drivers windows 7 is less yuck than vista |
| [16:23:48] | sphery: | jams: hmmm... don't think it's the issue I was hoping it was if you're on nvidia |
| [16:23:55] | jams: | biab |
| [16:23:56] | mkrufky: | sphery: very strange ... its working for me now that i enabled that functionality |
| [16:24:05] | sphery: | that's cool |
| [16:24:15] | mkrufky: | AndyCap: ok ... i bet it would work with a PS3 — i gotta try to find one here and test that |
| [16:24:17] | sphery: | don't know why, but it seems it's a known requirement for some cards |
| [16:24:28] | sphery: | and, now, some know that it's required for the HVR-1600 :) |
| [16:24:47] | AndyCap: | mkrufky: what do you record in? |
| [16:24:53] | wagnerrp: | because theyre bothering to use EIT in the US? |
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| [16:25:06] | mkrufky: | sphery: thats good to know, but makes little sense..... especially since the description of "open DVB card on demand" directly conflicts with the description of "allow EIT scans on this device" |
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| [16:25:47] | mkrufky: | AndyCap: right now im strictly recording transport from VSB ... i'll add some qam tuners and some analog encoders, but i want to keep it simple for now |
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| [16:25:54] | sphery: | mkrufky: well, EIT opens it when required |
| [16:26:03] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: A common problem w/ WMP is that windows doesn't come with a mpeg-2 decoder |
| [16:26:06] | sphery: | but, generally, it's "more available" for other apps than without that option :) |
| [16:26:09] | mkrufky: | AndyCap: ...and this is not a real server that ill ever use to watch tv — im using it for testing only |
| [16:26:24] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: lacking mpeg-2 --- that's the problem then |
| [16:26:24] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i thought starting with Vista, they did |
| [16:26:25] | mkrufky: | wow |
| [16:26:29] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: But there are a fair number of free-to-download ones that may make the difference |
| [16:26:42] | mkrufky: | umm... i can play mpeg2 in graphedit |
| [16:26:44] | AndyCap: | hehe, I'd have thought WMP11 would have gotten mpeg2 |
| [16:26:47] | wagnerrp: | im fairly sure 7 has a decoder at least |
| [16:26:48] | sphery: | or install any DVD player app |
| [16:27:04] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, i will test that for ya |
| [16:27:05] | AndyCap: | since dvd is pretty common now in the days of XP SP3 and WMP11 |
| [16:27:13] | iamlindoro: | I had this same discussion with the ffmpeg folks 6 months or so ago.. let me see if I can find the KB article |
| [16:27:14] | wagnerrp: | or ffdshow... veritable swiss army knife |
| [16:27:15] | sphery: | why would they put in an MPEG-2 decoder? They can just continue to require WMV |
| [16:27:28] | mkrufky: | is microsoft denying the need for mpeg2 ?? all of us StupidAmericans use that as the digital tv standard!! |
| [16:27:50] | AndyCap: | but, but,but SMTPE said VC-1 was cool |
| [16:27:55] | sphery: | well, for TV you need Windows Media Center edition |
| [16:28:06] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: do you recommend any particular download? |
| [16:28:09] | sphery: | like someone should be allowed to watch TV on a computer |
| [16:28:12] | iamlindoro: | I expect it has more to do with not wanting to pay the license fee when you can charge for it |
| [16:28:19] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:28:30] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: ffdshowis proably the gold standard |
| [16:28:37] | sphery: | I remember seeing a page on the WMP "site" that allowed buying the MPEG-2 decoder |
| [16:28:39] | mkrufky: | ok.... here's the same problem from a different angle..... |
| [16:28:39] | iamlindoro: | ugh, bad type me do |
| [16:28:43] | sphery: | was a while ago, though |
| [16:29:08] | wagnerrp: | http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow-tryout/files/ |
| [16:29:14] | mkrufky: | mythtv itself has uPNP server built in......... from what i have seen in OTHER upnp servers, the server transcodes on the fly if needed, in order to satisfy a renderer |
| [16:29:21] | mkrufky: | iss there a plan for that ? |
| [16:29:30] | sphery: | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia . . . x#DVDDecoder |
| [16:29:31] | mkrufky: | thanks wagnerrp & iamlindoro :-) |
| [16:29:38] | mkrufky: | ...and sphery :-) |
| [16:29:42] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [16:29:43] | sphery: | Seems Vista Home Premium and Vista Ultimate have DVD playback |
| [16:29:53] | sphery: | Vista Ultimate includes MCE |
| [16:30:03] | sphery: | surprised they put it in VIsta Home Premium |
| [16:30:05] | wagnerrp: | ive not heard of anyone planning to write in transcoding support for the upnp server |
| [16:30:07] | AndyCap: | is there a good protocol for negotiating transcoding in upnp? |
| [16:30:23] | gbee: | the active EIT scan makes a mockery of "open on demand" but that's just the way it is, both settings have different aims, the lock exists to prevent another application using the DVB device when mythbackend is expecting to start a recording |
| [16:30:23] | SHADOW_V: | is there a way to vew programs in mythweb by category |
| [16:30:24] | mkrufky: | i believe that there is, i am just not personally familiar with it |
| [16:30:31] | mkrufky: | (protocol) |
| [16:30:47] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, the client device is supposed to rattle off a list of capable formats |
| [16:30:48] | AndyCap: | everything I know of upnp comes from the I hate dlna and upnp blog post. :P |
| [16:30:56] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [16:31:22] | gbee: | the active EIT scan can at least be disabled (some drivers are too unstable to support 24/7 use of the device and constant channel changes |
| [16:31:26] | wagnerrp: | although i believe standard convention is just to transcode everything to mpeg2 as a lowest common codec |
| [16:31:42] | rah: | O_o |
| [16:31:48] | rah: | I don't like the sound of EIT scanning |
| [16:32:38] | AndyCap: | http://gxben.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/why-do- . . . col-so-much/ |
| [16:33:12] | gbee: | mkrufky: there have been plans for realtime transcoding etc for a while, but so far they haven't got very far because those involved were too busy – Captain_Murdoch and xris both have an interest |
| [16:34:23] | gbee: | xris' wants it for the flash player in mythweb, Captain_Murdoch started working on it and thinks he'll have some free time in about a month |
| [16:34:47] | wagnerrp: | gbee: i suppose that instead of using ffmpeg directly? |
| [16:35:07] | gbee: | wagnerrp: yeah, that was only ever done as a proof of concept |
| [16:35:40] | mkrufky: | gbee: that effort would benefit iphone streaming, too |
| [16:35:43] | wagnerrp: | penny-arcade is bugged... two comics on one page |
| [16:35:54] | mkrufky: | ...or *could* |
| [16:36:27] | SHADOW_V: | mkrufky, i am working on iphone streaming |
| [16:36:41] | SHADOW_V: | i currently have a crude hack that i got working from the wiki |
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| [16:36:50] | SHADOW_V: | but it works |
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| [16:37:29] | SHADOW_V: | in a bit i will start working on it again to get it to a better state thanks to wagnerrp for his help |
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| [16:39:45] | mkrufky: | moce. SHADOW_V — i wanna hear alla bout it when i get back |
| [16:39:51] | wagnerrp: | impressive... thief in minneapolis reaches through open window and steals laptop out of owner's hands |
| [16:39:54] | mkrufky: | as soon as im in a good conversation, we all go to lunch |
| [16:40:04] | mkrufky: | sorry for leaving so quick — ill be back in about an hour |
| [16:40:18] | SHADOW_V: | mkrufky, yup enjoy |
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| [17:02:26] | wagnerrp: | anyone looking for usb-serial adapters? |
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| [17:10:10] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: you got a bag full? |
| [17:11:08] | wagnerrp: | no, found some site selling prolific adapters for $2.99 each |
| [17:11:40] | AndyCap: | that is nice. |
| [17:13:05] | wagnerrp: | ironically, they have bulk rates for orders over 3 units |
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| [17:13:27] | AndyCap: | O_o so what's the catch? |
| [17:13:28] | wagnerrp: | but since free shipping does not apply for bulk orders, its cheaper not to go with the bulk rates |
| [17:15:17] | AndyCap: | so who are the people practically giving away serial converters? |
| [17:18:11] | gbee: | some poor sap who got stuck with a crate-load and found that demand for serial adaptors is pretty low |
| [17:18:53] | ** AndyCap just bought 4 for 40$ but could use a couple more. ** | |
| [17:19:49] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Does it matter which BE the Jamu's scheduled and recorded (option -MW) runs on or should the graphics only be downloaded for the specific tuners/recorders of a specific BE? Right now if you ran jamu's -MW on more than one BE identical set of graphics would be downloaded. |
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| [17:21:32] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: Good question, the Watch Recordings Fanart/etc. *only* work using the local setting at the moment |
| [17:21:42] | Spida: | wagnerrp: from where do they ship? |
| [17:21:44] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: It does not hunt the storage groups |
| [17:22:08] | iamlindoro: | (though ultimately I would like it to do so) |
| [17:22:40] | RDV_Linux: | Yes but if you ran Jamu on your master BE but the recorded program was on a slave BE would you still get the graphics? |
| [17:23:40] | iamlindoro: | I don't know, as I'm not familiar with Jamu's internals-- guess it depends on what you're parsing to get current/upcoming recordings |
| [17:23:44] | wagnerrp: | Spida: US only im guessing |
| [17:24:02] | wagnerrp: | it seems my MBE once again has a purpose |
| [17:24:09] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: Minimally for any Watch Recordings graphics to *work* on a frontend they need to be locally mounted |
| [17:24:19] | Spida: | ok, wrong continent. |
| [17:24:19] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR patches partially fixed recording on freebsd |
| [17:24:25] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: Whether Jamu parses all the backends to pull in graphics, I don't know |
| [17:24:58] | wagnerrp: | i can record just fine, but if i try to change channels in livetv, i get a couple frames before it freezes, and complains about too many buffering retries |
| [17:25:08] | RDV_Linux: | Jamu is getting ALL Scheduled and Recorded regardless of which BE the recording will ultimately be stored on. |
| [17:25:51] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: In that case, it shouldn't matter where the recorded program is at all, right? |
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| [17:26:23] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: you mean dealextreme? |
| [17:26:29] | iamlindoro: | It'll download the images to the local setting, and for those images to work in Watch Recordings, no matter where it may be, they must currently be locally mounted |
| [17:26:33] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: yeah |
| [17:26:37] | sid3windr: | :) |
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| [17:27:07] | iamlindoro: | *ultimately* I would love to see the download stuff moved into libmythtv so that it could be used all over, and see it done as part of recording/scheduling |
| [17:27:14] | sid3windr: | searching "prolific" does not yield results, wagnerrp :p |
| [17:27:21] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Locally mounted on the BE or FE? |
| [17:28:13] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: For it to display, it must be locally mounted in the location matching the Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->video Settings->General fanart/etc. location on the frontend |
| [17:28:29] | iamlindoro: | for it to download, I expect the same is true for wherever Jamu is being run |
| [17:29:33] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: pl2302, pl2303... fairly well supported under linux |
| [17:29:43] | wagnerrp: | those happen to be pl2303 devices |
| [17:30:09] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [17:30:50] | RDV_Linux: | Thanks I thought it might have been from the "local" perspective of the BE and the graphics got streamed. That means that it does not matter where jamu -MW is run as long as the FE has access and settings to the graphics directories. |
| [17:31:11] | wagnerrp: | and if theyre not... well i wasted $12, or the cost of four new movies |
| [17:31:20] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: Correct |
| [17:31:37] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: At least, until all the pieces fall together such that it's possible to do the hunt in Storage Groups |
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| [17:32:11] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: But that may be a while as nobody but me seems to have the time/interest in making the whole experience consistent :) |
| [17:32:18] | RDV_Linux: | Are the SG groups for graphics just placeholders at this point and not used in any actual processing BE or FE? |
| [17:32:26] | iamlindoro: | They work |
| [17:33:00] | iamlindoro: | DB info needs to be properly formatted, though, and the file browsers for them can't use SGs yet, so they might as well not exist |
| [17:33:35] | iamlindoro: | so what I'm saying is, if you manually edit your records to make them relative paths (relative to the root of the SG dir) and they exist on the host for that record, they'll stream |
| [17:34:00] | iamlindoro: | but that's an extremely user-unfriendly way of working, so for all intents and purposes, one might as well consider them not to work |
| [17:34:03] | wagnerrp: | manually editing usually amounts to a single 'string/replace' command in mysql |
| [17:34:23] | RDV_Linux: | I asked as even when I had SG's for all graphics the download metadata function only put absolute paths in videometadata. |
| [17:34:35] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: correct |
| [17:34:48] | iamlindoro: | Nothing but loading them uses SGs |
| [17:35:06] | iamlindoro: | so getting them into the DB w/ proper formatting is an exercise left to the user... which is bad |
| [17:35:11] | RDV_Linux: | Thanks very much. You have clarified allot, |
| [17:35:25] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [17:35:55] | wagnerrp: | i thought JAMU did all database insertion manually, outside of myth's grabber routines |
| [17:35:59] | iamlindoro: | IMO if it doesn't get fixed in time for .22 (and I expect it won't) I think the creation of those SGs should be disabled for the release |
| [17:36:09] | sphery: | I agree |
| [17:36:23] | sphery: | as it will cause more problems than "the old way" |
| [17:36:27] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [17:36:56] | sphery: | Though, really, people could manually define them |
| [17:37:28] | iamlindoro: | yes, but that at least requires a user that knows that they're doing (and so are not a problem) or one who thinks they know what they are doing (in which case they get ridicule) |
| [17:37:29] | sphery: | (only difference between a normal SG and a "special" SG is that the special one is defined by code, so can be overridden on a slave even without first defining it on the master) |
| [17:37:33] | sphery: | right |
| [17:37:45] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Jamu was meant to emulate the grabber / metadata download processing on a mass scale. |
| [17:38:06] | sphery: | so that's what I mean, comment the names in kSpecialGroups and anyone wanting to use it can do it manually--after some research |
| [17:38:24] | iamlindoro: | sphery: exactly what I had in mind |
| [17:38:32] | iamlindoro: | leave what functionality exists, just prevent their creation |
| [17:38:36] | sphery: | yep |
| [17:38:39] | sphery: | good plan |
| [17:38:40] | iamlindoro: | at least, through the UI |
| [17:38:55] | sphery: | U(and)I are on the same page |
| [17:39:17] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: right, what im saying is that youre not using the mythtv metadata insertion stuff |
| [17:39:27] | wagnerrp: | so you could support using the storage groups independently if you choose |
| [17:40:08] | wagnerrp: | in the export script, i just do a quick lookup for a 'Videos' SG |
| [17:40:27] | wagnerrp: | if it exists, i set the filename to the relative path... if not, i use an absolute path |
| [17:42:11] | wagnerrp: | if the video SGs do get disabled for the release, then they just wont exist in the table, and you know to use the old method |
| [17:43:58] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Exactly I have a design change that can dynamically recognize the use of SG groups and absolute paths and deal with any of Jamu's current processing without recking anything. The limitation is if you wanted to use Jamu to do nightly maintenance then you need to run it on each of your backends as Jamu will ignore video files that are not on the BE it is running on. |
| [17:45:34] | RDV_Linux: | I wonder what percentage of mythtv users actually have multiple BEs. |
| [17:45:51] | iamlindoro: | probably fairly sizable but certainly not the majority |
| [17:46:03] | iamlindoro: | I'd wildly guess at 15–20% |
| [17:46:53] | RDV_Linux: | That would mean the limitation would not hit too many users, |
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| [17:49:52] | ** iamlindoro grumbles about getting collection calls for "Luong Pham" ** | |
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| [17:50:47] | SHADOW_V: | well did you order and recieve this luong pham |
| [17:51:09] | iamlindoro: | Oh noes, someone has replaced SHADOW_V with an elizabot |
| [17:51:16] | iamlindoro: | How does that bot make you feel? |
| [17:51:17] | ** kormoc thinks that sounds like a medical condition ** | |
| [17:51:53] | meshe: | Thats interesting, please continue |
| [17:52:26] | iamlindoro: | Am I the only one who, every single time, ends up insulting Eliza/Dr. Sbaitso/etc. and trying to get him/her horribly offended? |
| [17:52:35] | wagnerrp: | y'all are crazy |
| [17:52:39] | SHADOW_V: | eh i have to search just to be able to keep up in this channel |
| [17:52:44] | ** wagnerrp quits (Escaping with sanity intact) ** | |
| [17:52:54] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, its too late |
| [17:53:15] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA |
| [17:53:34] | meshe: | iamlindoro: my elizabot would have told you to F off and quit your whining eventually ;) |
| [17:53:43] | SHADOW_V: | yeah i found that |
| [17:53:49] | iamlindoro: | At least there woudl be some satisfaction in that |
| [17:53:59] | iamlindoro: | because that's the kind of thing you can respond to |
| [17:54:12] | meshe: | hehe |
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| [17:54:43] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [17:54:47] | iamlindoro: | Chatbot::eliza |
| [17:54:53] | iamlindoro: | Oh, Perl |
| [17:55:01] | meshe: | that's what mine was based off of |
| [18:01:16] | ** sphery thinks #6406 should be closed wontfix ** | |
| [18:01:43] | sphery: | since 0.21-fixes isn't the focus |
| [18:02:03] | iamlindoro: | seconded! |
| [18:02:11] | iamlindoro: | That's how we do it, right? Everything's a vote? |
| [18:02:23] | iamlindoro: | That's what the users list leads me to believe |
| [18:02:29] | SHADOW_V: | can we vote to expose the secret dev's? |
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| [18:02:53] | iamlindoro: | The devs aren't a secret, only their communication |
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| [18:03:02] | iamlindoro: | It's like eyes wide shut |
| [18:03:22] | iamlindoro: | But I will say that kormoc looks great in an eagle mask |
| [18:04:31] | kormoc: | Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit... |
| [18:04:49] | gbee: | kormoc: yeah |
| [18:04:54] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [18:06:10] | iamlindoro: | I still have nightmares about Nicole Kidman peeing on the toilet |
| [18:06:19] | iamlindoro: | but am intrigued by skanky leelee sobieski |
| [18:06:27] | sphery: | gbee: is #6372 still an issue (sounds like the problem from before previews were cached locally) |
| [18:06:48] | sphery: | was Leelee in Eyes Wide Shut? |
| [18:07:07] | sphery: | don't answer that--I like Leelee and don't want to ruin it |
| [18:07:20] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:07:37] | gbee: | == young Helen Hunt |
| [18:07:53] | iamlindoro: | In that case, nope, it is definitely not implied that she hits it with a large group of japanese businessmen |
| [18:08:13] | sphery: | gbee: exactly |
| [18:08:39] | sphery: | I wonder how long to leave that /ignore on iamlindoro |
| [18:08:47] | iamlindoro: | forEVER |
| [18:09:03] | ** sphery likes living in his little world of naivete ** | |
| [18:10:12] | gbee: | sphery: no idea about #6372 |
| [18:12:09] | gbee: | "It's really a kernel problem, but it only arise when using MythTV." Yeah, but it's STILL a kernel problem and doesn't belong in Trac |
| [18:12:26] | sphery: | So, someone opens #6348 because the other tickets that reported the same issue were closed invalid and someone "got his ... whacked" for reopening old tickets... Now, kormoc has a plan that will actually fix the issue, so the guy who just opened a new invalid ticket will feel he did the right thing. *sigh* |
| [18:13:10] | sphery: | I think kormoc should close #6348 as invalid/feature request without a patch and then fix the issue without ref'ing the ticket :) |
| [18:13:26] | ** kormoc likes this evil sphery ** | |
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| [18:14:29] | sphery: | I wonder if I should ask someone to close #6338 as wontfix/focusing on 0.22 at the reporter's request (Update 0.21-fixes to use tmdb.plgrabber) |
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| [18:18:44] | SHADOW_V: | yay thumbnails again |
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| [18:19:56] | sphery: | kormoc: can you think of any reason other than UPnP being disabled or time zone misconfiguration for #6700 |
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| [18:24:37] | kormoc: | sphery, yes, I broke it by always going to the master for thumbnail request rather then detecting which backend has it and going there |
| [18:25:00] | sphery: | oh... |
| [18:25:17] | kormoc: | the getThumbnail code needs to talk directly to slave backends, I was under the mistaken impression that if the MBE couldn't do it, it'd ask the sbe and pass it around |
| [18:25:24] | sphery: | but it worked before, so I guess you changed it in the classes conversion or something? |
| [18:25:28] | kormoc: | Yeah |
| [18:25:33] | sphery: | I see |
| [18:25:34] | kormoc: | I missed that detail |
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| [18:26:23] | ** sphery changes #6700 from red to blue ** | |
| [18:26:38] | kormoc: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ram.php#L526 |
| [18:26:45] | sphery: | (red = not right, blue = something I might be willing to work on a patch for) |
| [18:27:03] | sphery: | guess I get a bit out of date when not running my production systems on trunk |
| [18:27:05] | kormoc: | All we need to do is add in the SBE hostname as a parm fo MythBackend::find($sbe_here) |
| [18:27:52] | sphery: | and the code that asks for the preview has a programinfo with the hostname, already? |
| [18:28:06] | sphery: | i.e. code that calls get_preview_pixmap() |
| [18:28:08] | kormoc: | nah, it uses chanid/starttime |
| [18:28:30] | kormoc: | we just need to query the record(ed?) table to see which be has it |
| [18:28:41] | sphery: | ok |
| [18:29:00] | sphery: | query recorded versus GET_RECORDING in proto? |
| [18:29:05] | kormoc: | whichever |
| [18:29:25] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [18:29:27] | kormoc: | actually |
| [18:29:35] | kormoc: | just change it to |
| [18:29:43] | kormoc: | MythBackend::find($this->hostname) |
| [18:29:47] | kormoc: | that should do the trick |
| [18:29:52] | sphery: | cool |
| [18:30:10] | kormoc: | If you can test and let me know if it works or not, I'll commit that today |
| [18:30:29] | sphery: | I don't have multiple backends available on my trunk/dev system... |
| [18:30:30] | sphery: | I' |
| [18:30:39] | sphery: | ll see if I can find someone else to test, though |
| [18:30:54] | sphery: | Guess I could post your patch and ask the submitter to test |
| [18:31:45] | kormoc: | well, if it works with a single backend, it should work with multiple |
| [18:31:51] | kormoc: | you do have one more be then I do at the moment ;) |
| [18:31:58] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:32:55] | SHADOW_V: | kormoc, if you dont mind me asking what did you use to serve up the .mp4 files to the itouch did you throw a link to them in mythweb |
| [18:34:07] | kormoc: | SHADOW_V, if you were using trunk, it has a ipod mode that will serve them up |
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| [18:34:26] | SHADOW_V: | damn you trunk! |
| [18:35:10] | iamlindoro: | can't trust kormoc, he doesn't even use Myth ;) |
| [18:35:29] | SHADOW_V: | kinda makes me feel like the hours i spent making this work was useless :( |
| [18:35:48] | SHADOW_V: | right |
| [18:37:26] | kormoc: | sphery, as we get more MVC style, with real models, things should get simplier like that :) |
| [18:37:49] | sphery: | kormoc: I'm getting: [10/Jul/2009:14:35:46 -0400] "GET /mythtv/tv/get_pixmap/1232/1159759800/100/75/64/1232_20061001233000.mpg.100x75x6 4.png HTTP/1.1" 200 20 |
| [18:37:58] | sphery: | note the 20byte size |
| [18:38:01] | sphery: | nothing displays |
| [18:38:15] | sphery: | PHP Fatal error: Using $this when not in object context in /srv/www/htdocs/myth/modules/tv/classes/Program.php on line 532 |
| [18:40:00] | sphery: | that's with: return MythBackend::find($this->hostname)->httpRequest('GetPreviewImage', array('ChanId' => $chanid, ... |
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| [18:41:16] | sphery: | kormoc: if I take out this-> it seems to work: return MythBackend::find($hostname)->httpRequest('GetPreviewImage', array('ChanId' => $chanid, ... |
| [18:41:24] | sphery: | so, just using $hostname |
| [18:41:43] | sphery: | (which isn't passed in, but seems to be available because of the Program object?) |
| [18:42:31] | sphery: | don't know how much that breaks the PHP/MythWeb coding guidelines, though |
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| [18:43:52] | xris: | sphery: not supposed to use it as a singleton |
| [18:44:06] | sphery: | ahh, get_preview_pixmap() is static... |
| [18:44:18] | sphery: | yeah, so we need to pass it in |
| [18:44:33] | mkrufky: | so, SHADOW_V .... u have transcode on the fly working for iphone streaming? |
| [18:44:43] | SHADOW_V: | no not on the fly |
| [18:44:50] | mkrufky: | lol, okay then |
| [18:44:50] | SHADOW_V: | but streaming yes |
| [18:45:10] | SHADOW_V: | i was going to work on onthefly but then i was told trunk has support for that |
| [18:45:14] | SHADOW_V: | then i got sad |
| [18:45:15] | mkrufky: | ?!? |
| [18:45:21] | ** mkrufky just got HAPPY ** | |
| [18:45:22] | kormoc: | xris, hrm? that's how it's used now |
| [18:45:34] | kormoc: | xris, although, it's a multiton |
| [18:45:53] | SHADOW_V: | kormoc, the itouch streaming is on the fly or is it a userjob |
| [18:45:57] | kormoc: | userjob |
| [18:46:03] | SHADOW_V: | mkrufky, nvm |
| [18:46:11] | kormoc: | but if it has a .mp4 that's iphone compatable, you can just stream it right in |
| [18:46:20] | kormoc: | I'm hoping to get the on the fly in soon, but we'll see |
| [18:46:36] | SHADOW_V: | right well i was planning on doing some work on it |
| [18:46:46] | SHADOW_V: | should i get trunk and work on that ? |
| [18:46:54] | SHADOW_V: | or get it working with .21 |
| [18:46:57] | kormoc: | trunk |
| [18:47:01] | kormoc: | 0.21 is useless at this point |
| [18:47:25] | SHADOW_V: | alright if i upgrade to trunk will my system explode ? |
| [18:49:58] | kormoc: | $hostname is likely null, thus the same as missing, thus defaulting to the MBE |
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| [18:50:46] | ** iamlindoro fires up a nice pile of framegrabbers to throw .21 on ** | |
| [18:52:35] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, is it naive to think i could upgrade totrunk and have recording chug along nicely |
| [18:53:14] | iamlindoro: | tough question-- if you know exactly what you're doing there's no reason it wouldn;t |
| [18:53:26] | iamlindoro: | but if you run into any issue, and you might, then of course you might have issues |
| [18:53:41] | SHADOW_V: | of course |
| [18:54:04] | iamlindoro: | My recordings work nicely, I use trunk in production (NOTE: DON'T DO THAT!) |
| [18:54:17] | SHADOW_V: | right |
| [18:54:35] | iamlindoro: | Well, you can do it, you're just personally responsible for any issues you have |
| [18:54:36] | SHADOW_V: | i am thinking of throwing trunk on a spare box i have and throw a hvr 1600 in it and see how that goes |
| [18:54:41] | SHADOW_V: | right |
| [18:54:43] | iamlindoro: | no reason not to try that |
| [18:54:47] | iamlindoro: | Nothing to lose |
| [18:54:50] | SHADOW_V: | yup |
| [18:55:03] | iamlindoro: | And we seem to be vaguely within sight of .22 anyway |
| [18:55:29] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: simply installing ffsdhow wasnt enough for wmp to play myth via upnp |
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| [18:55:38] | mkrufky: | im still investigating |
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| [18:55:49] | SHADOW_V: | yeah i mean i would love to help out and maybe do something with itouch on the fly encoding |
| [18:56:07] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: Sorry :( Does VLC work? |
| [18:56:08] | SHADOW_V: | alright mythtv trunk i go any distro you recommend |
| [18:56:16] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V: Whatever you're comfortable with |
| [18:56:17] | ** mkrufky forgot about vlc ... brb ** | |
| [18:56:30] | SHADOW_V: | mkrufky, you could use mythtvplayer |
| [18:56:46] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, i am comfortable with ubuntu but then all the real distro users will laugh at me |
| [18:56:47] | mkrufky: | mythtvplayer exists? |
| [18:56:50] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V: Further streaming hacks will probably be superceded by Captain_Murdoch's multiple file work in the next month or two |
| [18:56:55] | user_: | how can i make a simbolic link for /home/user/video/action/ and /media/action/? if i do ln -s when i enter on /media/action i see another folder named action in with the content of /home.... its possible to watch all content in only one folder with a simbolic link? |
| [18:56:57] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V: Why? I use it |
| [18:57:10] | SHADOW_V: | mkrufky, http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/index.php?page=home |
| [18:57:16] | mkrufky: | hot |
| [18:57:17] | SHADOW_V: | this is something i can help with |
| [18:57:48] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, oh alright so then dont do anything then until Captain_Murdoch does his magic |
| [18:57:59] | mkrufky: | im going to try that out... meanwhile what im trying to prove out is that mythbackend can stream to a upnp renderer |
| [18:58:03] | SHADOW_V: | mkrufky, yeah it works even has support for commercial skipping |
| [18:58:23] | mkrufky: | awesome |
| [18:58:26] | SHADOW_V: | i believe i got music to work through mythbackend before |
| [18:58:33] | sphery: | kormoc / xris : is this close to right? It works. If so, I'll upload to the ticket. |
| [18:58:33] | iamlindoro: | mythbackend can definitely stream to a uPnP renderer |
| [18:58:39] | mkrufky: | i put a central backend here so i can deploy that app on everybody's desktop |
| [18:58:40] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [18:58:43] | sphery: | kormoc / xris: oops forgot the link: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythweb-u . . . ixmaps.patch |
| [18:58:56] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: im having a hard time proving that out :-/ |
| [18:59:10] | iamlindoro: | Have had it working with xbox 360 and PS3, and I have done it on windows before, but no windows boxen to prove that with |
| [18:59:30] | mkrufky: | ok |
| [19:00:11] | mkrufky: | u say VLC does upnp ? |
| [19:01:08] | iamlindoro: | It does, think it's a plugin though |
| [19:02:05] | sphery: | kormoc / xris: nvm... I'll just upload it and you can comment, there. :) |
| [19:04:33] | sphery: | gbee: thx for closing #6338 |
| [19:05:20] | mkrufky: | is there any reason i should be afraid of installing mythtvplayer on my windows devbox? |
| [19:05:54] | mkrufky: | actually ... thats exactly the stupid question that i hate when others ask |
| [19:05:55] | mkrufky: | brb |
| [19:05:58] | ** mkrufky crosses fingers ** | |
| [19:06:01] | iamlindoro: | It's third party, and doesn't properly respect the protocol |
| [19:06:06] | sphery: | it's already got windows on it, how much worse could it get? |
| [19:06:07] | iamlindoro: | But it should work |
| [19:06:24] | sphery: | (but who knows what it will do to the myth systems :) |
| [19:06:43] | iamlindoro: | By not respecting the protocol I mean it lies about its protocol until myth lets it in |
| [19:06:47] | iamlindoro: | protocol #, that is |
| [19:07:25] | sphery: | isn't that the definition of "forward compatible"? |
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| [19:08:46] | sphery: | i.e. forward compatible meaning that at the time the program was written, the devs thought of every possible change that could ever happen to the Myth protocol and have handled it appropriately |
| [19:09:01] | sphery: | kind of like quantum electrocomputing |
| [19:10:32] | iamlindoro: | riiiiiiight |
| [19:11:03] | mkrufky: | AWESOME |
| [19:11:06] | mkrufky: | it works |
| [19:11:12] | mkrufky: | its very easy to make me happy today |
| [19:15:16] | kormoc: | :) |
| [19:19:25] | iamlindoro: | gnome42: Unfortunately applying scheduler patches has a 90% chance of resulting in death or dismemberment ;) |
| [19:20:38] | gnome42: | yep, pretty hard to get consensus. :) |
| [19:23:44] | kormoc: | 1 out of 10 to survive? I like them odds! |
| [19:23:53] | ** kormoc commits his scheduler patches and dies ** | |
| [19:24:16] | iamlindoro: | unfortunately, you'd need to find a few more myth devs to be able to kill 9 ;) |
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| [19:34:11] | gbee: | kill 9, ho ho ho |
| [19:37:28] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
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| [19:45:43] | janneg: | iamlindoro: http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/MYTHTV/s . . . ;to=20090710 disagrees, commits from 11 devs in the last 30 days ;) |
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| [19:46:13] | iamlindoro: | janneg: Hehe, I stand corrected, let me know when you've picked the two who get to live ;) |
| [19:47:35] | janneg: | iamlindoro: in a moment, I have to do some commits. then the top two by commit count ;) |
| [19:47:45] | iamlindoro: | hahaah |
| [19:48:04] | iamlindoro: | You other guys will be missed |
| [19:48:14] | iamlindoro: | We'll say nice things, though |
| [19:55:26] | gbee: | hey, no fair! I was on holiday for two of those four weeks! |
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| [19:57:08] | iamlindoro: | If you really want to survive I have a dozen or so tickets that may help :) |
| [19:57:30] | iamlindoro: | They make myth do neat and pretty things |
| [19:57:40] | iamlindoro: | If you ask really nicely I'll let you commit them |
| [19:57:47] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [19:59:06] | gbee: | heh |
| [20:01:00] | iamlindoro: | janneg: Think #5940 can be safely closed due to improvements brought in in the latest sync |
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| [20:01:31] | shadash: | woohoo |
| [20:01:57] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I prefer the stats for the last 12 months – http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/MYTHTV/s . . . ;to=20090710 |
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| [20:03:17] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Soo.... does that mean I should expect letters, flowers, and gifts asking if you can commit my patches? |
| [20:03:25] | iamlindoro: | s/should/shouldn't/ |
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| [20:06:07] | iamlindoro: | Wow... Graphite took 7 months |
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| [20:09:02] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: Just going through my tickets-- not sure if you still intend to get at the TV episode handling stuff before .22, but if you do, let me know and I can generate one more patch that applies cleanly against trunk |
| [20:09:22] | iamlindoro: | (although the existing should apply fine with some offsets, I think) |
| [20:09:39] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: Is there a firm .22 date? |
| [20:09:52] | iamlindoro: | Don't know, but seems like "soon" |
| [20:10:04] | iamlindoro: | possibly "real soon" |
| [20:11:11] | Anduin: | I've made a point of reading the secret dev list but haven't tracked -dev or IRC, I'll see what I can do this weekend, no need for new patches though. |
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| [20:11:47] | iamlindoro: | OK, just thought I'd offer as I didn't want additional work sorting out stale patches to prevent it :) |
| [20:11:49] | iamlindoro: | Thanks |
| [20:12:20] | iamlindoro: | Wow, it (mostly) does still apply, in fact |
| [20:12:30] | iamlindoro: | Just one xml hunk fails |
| [20:12:55] | Anduin: | Well if you want you can, I generally don't require people to do work because I'm too slow though. |
| [20:13:07] | iamlindoro: | Sure |
| [20:13:25] | iamlindoro: | Seems like a trivial bit to apply, happy to do it, thanks |
| [20:17:59] | gbee: | Anduin: no firm date, Isaac just wants to push forward, no feature freeze yet |
| [20:19:24] | gbee: | jams: one small problem with the about dialog, it requires libmythui be link to libmythupnp and it doesn't in trunk (nor is it likely to) |
| [20:19:52] | gbee: | but that's merely because version.cpp is in libmythupnp for reasons I can't remember |
| [20:26:26] | jams: | not being able to poll the version does pose a problem with the about dialog |
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| [21:01:25] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: Patch all updated, thanks for the touch-base |
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| [21:04:07] | FR^2: | Horray! Finally I got a dvb-c card :) |
| [21:04:31] | FR^2: | But alsa gives me a headache – I can't get output to digital sp/dif |
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| [21:07:52] | gbee: | see! I didn't even have to pay a shill to prove that alsa's a pain |
| [21:14:12] | ** iamlindoro checks the ip addresses to be sure ** | |
| [21:16:04] | FR^2: | hehe |
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| [21:22:54] | Dibblah: | gbee: Uhm... Because OSS handles S/PDIF how? |
| [21:22:57] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [21:23:32] | FR^2: | *shrug* I don't know |
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| [21:26:25] | AndyCap: | Dibblah: through /dev/dsp_ac3 and /dev/dsp_multich it seems |
| [21:26:43] | jams: | or spdout |
| [21:27:00] | jams: | even those are links to each other |
| [21:27:16] | AndyCap: | anyhow that's probably not in the mainline kernel. :P |
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| [21:39:20] | mkrufky: | so, its all my fault that i couldnt get mythtv uPNP to play on WMP11 |
| [21:39:41] | mkrufky: | its my fault, because i didnt read the wiki page — i was missing a key component — the matroska splitter |
| [21:39:44] | mkrufky: | it all works now :-D |
| [21:42:36] | kormoc: | mkrufky, so from your earlier reaction, I guess you own a iphone/ipod? |
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| [21:47:53] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky, cool, glad you got it working |
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| [21:49:07] | mkrufky: | kormoc: yes, i have the ipod touch |
| [21:49:20] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: yeah it worked — im happy now... i wasnt ENTIRELY useless today |
| [21:49:45] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [21:50:25] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like Mark has done some recent work on uPnP controls, too, am very very curious to see what he comes up with |
| [21:50:30] | kormoc: | mkrufky, are you on -trunk? |
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| [21:51:09] | mkrufky: | no |
| [21:51:14] | kormoc: | ahh, kk |
| [21:51:22] | mkrufky: | i should be, though |
| [21:51:24] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [21:51:49] | mkrufky: | id imagine it should be somewhat stable nowadays ... maybe i'll set that up on an alt partition next week |
| [21:52:10] | kormoc: | Heh, you might be surprised when you go to mythweb on the touch after you do ;) |
| [21:52:17] | iamlindoro: | It's definitely starting to inch towards more stable |
| [21:52:56] | jams: | the itouch has wifi? |
| [21:53:10] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [21:53:30] | jams: | oh man it just moved up a notch on the list of gadgets i don't need but will buy |
| [21:53:33] | mkrufky: | ooooh really? so the whole iphone transcode stream task ..... it becomes a moot point in trunk ? |
| [21:53:35] | rah: | my svn trunk compilation seems to have no XMLTV video source |
| [21:53:44] | rah: | has XMLTV support been dropped? |
| [21:53:55] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [21:53:56] | jams: | nope |
| [21:54:25] | kormoc: | mkrufky, well, right now there's a iphone themed interface, and hopefully very shortly, yes, I'll have the 'live' transcoding done and in, so it'll 'instant' on without pre-encoding :) |
| [21:54:29] | rah: | why would it have no XMLTV source then? |
| [21:54:42] | iamlindoro: | misconfiguration |
| [21:54:50] | rah: | of what? |
| [21:54:53] | mkrufky: | kormoc: thats exciting :-) |
| [21:54:54] | iamlindoro: | mythtv |
| [21:55:07] | rah: | I don't understand |
| [21:55:07] | iamlindoro: | (or xmltv) |
| [21:55:11] | rah: | I'm trying to configure it |
| [21:55:12] | mkrufky: | all i need is ssh tunnelling on my iTouch and then i can watch my recordings ANYWHERE |
| [21:55:26] | rah: | perhaps I didn't make myself clear |
| [21:55:38] | rah: | there is no way to select an XMLTV source |
| [21:55:44] | rah: | there is no XMLTV option |
| [21:55:48] | kormoc: | mkrufky, one of the current features which I *love* is with the current ipod interface, it supports the telnet stuff so you browse to a recording, hit play on frontend, select the frontend, and boom, there it is, playing away :) |
| [21:55:59] | rah: | why is there no XMLTV option? |
| [21:56:11] | kormoc: | I'll be adding in a full remote before 0.22 if all goes according to plan :) |
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| [21:56:37] | mkrufky: | kormoc: awesome .... im guessing commercial skip on ipod wont work, tho |
| [21:56:40] | jams: | rah..when mythtv-setup runs do the logs mention anything about failed to run tv_find_grabbers |
| [21:56:54] | sphery: | rah: you need to have xmltv installed--including tv_find_grabbers in the PATH |
| [21:56:55] | kormoc: | mkrufky, well, I *might* be able to get it in, given how the streaming works... |
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| [21:57:06] | rah: | hmm |
| [21:57:12] | sphery: | and you have to use right/left in the combo box to find the appropriate selection |
| [21:57:17] | rah: | I see |
| [21:57:25] | rah: | they're appearing now |
| [21:57:48] | sphery: | weren't using right/left? |
| [21:57:59] | mkrufky: | kormoc: well, that would make it all that much more attractive |
| [21:58:00] | rah: | didn't have XMLTV installed |
| [21:58:10] | mkrufky: | kormoc: also, commercial skipping over uPNP would be soooooo hot... |
| [21:58:14] | mkrufky: | :-D |
| [21:58:16] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [21:58:45] | mkrufky: | just have the uPNP server pretent to transcode, but the result is missing a commercial |
| [21:58:52] | mkrufky: | pretenD |
| [21:59:16] | shadash: | anybosy know when we're going to start seeing more NVIDIA ION devices? |
| [21:59:41] | kormoc: | Yeah, the fun with the ipod/iphone is how insanely easy it is to crash the device with a 'bad' video stream, so that'll be fun :) |
| [22:00:04] | meshe: | aren't there already like a dozen ION devices out there? |
| [22:00:26] | meshe: | kormoc: oooh, system crash or just player crash? |
| [22:00:26] | shadash: | nothing good yet |
| [22:00:33] | kormoc: | shadash, as the days go by under the full blood moon, more ions will appear as the solar winds interact with the upper ionosphere... |
| [22:00:40] | kormoc: | meshe, I've managed to do both :) |
| [22:00:44] | meshe: | sweet |
| [22:00:56] | mkrufky: | is the myth stuff in trunk streaming to ipod stuff — is it slicing the stream into many many tiny files? |
| [22:00:58] | shadash: | ahh makes sense |
| [22:01:00] | kormoc: | meshe, I even managed to get it to the point where I had to let it fully discharge before it'd come back... that was a bit scary |
| [22:01:02] | meshe: | maybe they execute video metadata like they do with SMS's |
| [22:01:14] | mkrufky: | (thats how apple wants it to be done) |
| [22:01:34] | kormoc: | mkrufky, aye, that's what's going in, right now it's just streaming video.mp4's correctly |
| [22:01:45] | kormoc: | (including skipping and all that jazz) |
| [22:02:04] | kormoc: | meshe, that's a very scary thought |
| [22:02:47] | sphery: | careful or you 2 will be excommunicated from the Apple fold |
| [22:02:49] | meshe: | yeah, i love the fact that some random person can text message me a hack and there's nothing i can do about it ;) |
| [22:03:10] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [22:03:12] | kormoc: | sphery, nah, we have money, that's all they really care about ;) |
| [22:03:19] | AndyCap: | meshe: nah, executing video metadata is microsoft patented technology. |
| [22:03:20] | mkrufky: | sphery: this stuff is no secret |
| [22:03:24] | mkrufky: | i dont thin it is, at least |
| [22:03:32] | meshe: | AndyCap: lol, nice |
| [22:03:45] | ** kormoc waits for the job police to take mkrufky away ** | |
| [22:04:01] | rah: | I'm configuring my chosen xmltv provider |
| [22:04:15] | sphery: | I just thought all Apple device owners had to always say good things about Apple. |
| [22:04:19] | meshe: | sphery: so far i only buy iphones, but that 13" macbook pro is looking pretty sweet |
| [22:04:20] | sphery: | the money thing makes sense, though |
| [22:04:32] | rah: | the text has been printed beyond the bottom of the screen |
| [22:04:36] | rah: | and I can't seem to scroll |
| [22:04:46] | ** kormoc owns a ipod touch, a mac pro, is drooling over a mini and 13" macbook pro... ** | |
| [22:04:58] | ** iamlindoro suspects someone lacks the requisite myth experience to run trunk ** | |
| [22:05:09] | meshe: | the brainwashing has worked well on you kormoc :) |
| [22:05:09] | kormoc: | %s/myth/gdb/ |
| [22:05:20] | kormoc: | meshe, I blame xris! |
| [22:05:24] | jams: | my wife wants a macbook |
| [22:05:28] | meshe: | %s/gdb/gcc/ |
| [22:05:41] | jams: | she is trying to get her work to purchase an iphone and macbook for her |
| [22:05:41] | rah: | how can I scroll the text window? |
| [22:05:45] | meshe: | %s/gcc/bash/ |
| [22:06:08] | kormoc: | rah, you might not be able to until you or some one else fixes the bug |
| [22:06:10] | meshe: | jams: nice, i tried, and all i got was this crappy dell |
| [22:06:19] | kormoc: | meshe, that should be a tshirt |
| [22:06:25] | meshe: | lol |
| [22:06:26] | jams: | hahaha |
| [22:06:38] | jams: | think she will end up with the iphone, not for sure about the macbook |
| [22:06:41] | meshe: | dude, you're getting a dell... sorry to hear that |
| [22:06:50] | kormoc: | "I asked for a macbook and all I got was this crappy dell" |
| [22:06:58] | ** kormoc eyes cafe press ** | |
| [22:07:01] | jams: | and a bag of weed |
| [22:07:04] | wagnerrp: | dude, you're getting arrested for possession |
| [22:07:20] | sphery: | Just don't get an iPhone 3GS that you can't use when the temp is > 35C (95F)--oh, no, wait, that's not it! It's not overheating. It's just the plastic used to make the white ones discolors. They're Apple iPhone 3GS with Mood ring tones |
| [22:07:26] | rah: | kormoc: you mean someone comitted a broken patch to redirect the xmltv configuration? |
| [22:07:39] | rah: | why the hell would they do that? |
| [22:07:51] | kormoc: | rah, no, more like the UI code is under a large amount of re-work and noone checked that section |
| [22:08:06] | kormoc: | rah, it's part of the whole 'unstable branch to do development' process |
| [22:08:13] | rah: | kormoc: there has never been a UI for this |
| [22:08:23] | rah: | kormoc: someone had to create, and commit, a UI |
| [22:08:41] | rah: | if the UI they committed is broken, so are they |
| [22:08:56] | kormoc: | rah, you're free to use something else then |
| [22:08:57] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [22:09:06] | kormoc: | I don't really care for your attitude... |
| [22:09:14] | rah: | kormoc: what am I free to use? |
| [22:09:19] | kormoc: | rah, anything else you want |
| [22:09:39] | rah: | kormoc: there don't seem to be any other options for UK video sources except xmltv |
| [22:09:59] | sphery: | I think he means you're free to use the supported/stable version of Myth |
| [22:10:00] | kormoc: | rah, I ment more you don't have to use myth if the devs and the code is so broken in your oh so esteemed opinion... |
| [22:10:04] | sphery: | or Freevo or LinuxMCE |
| [22:10:13] | kormoc: | windowsMCE... |
| [22:10:17] | sphery: | or TiVo |
| [22:10:25] | sphery: | oh, wait, not in the UK :) |
| [22:10:25] | iamlindoro: | SageTV |
| [22:10:31] | iamlindoro: | EyeTV |
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| [22:10:43] | iamlindoro: | anything but us would be lovely |
| [22:10:44] | sphery: | AppleTV? |
| [22:10:45] | meshe: | mplayer |
| [22:10:48] | kormoc: | xine |
| [22:10:53] | meshe: | vlc |
| [22:10:56] | juski: | rah: you can use over the air programme guide data |
| [22:10:57] | iamlindoro: | cat! |
| [22:11:06] | kormoc: | dog! |
| [22:11:08] | rah: | juski: I know |
| [22:11:10] | iamlindoro: | foo! |
| [22:11:12] | meshe: | cat /dev/video | caca |
| [22:11:15] | sphery: | sh--execute the video like an iPod Touch! |
| [22:11:35] | kormoc: | exec `cat /dev/video0` |
| [22:11:43] | ** kormoc wonders what that'd actually do ** | |
| [22:11:45] | iamlindoro: | dd if=/dev/video0 of=myrec.mpg |
| [22:12:06] | sphery: | Isn't there some Perl version of Myth that's only like 470lines of code? |
| [22:12:10] | juski: | hey why not just use MediaPortal? |
| [22:12:15] | iamlindoro: | I heard that, myth is such a crappy waste |
| [22:12:16] | jams: | sphery- it was 15 |
| [22:12:21] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:12:33] | jams: | i was just typing that out, but you beat me to it |
| [22:12:51] | juski: | if anybody here gets the impression that nobody is really gunning to win the world over & become the most used DVR app.. you got it :) |
| [22:12:57] | rah: | kormoc: just out of morbid curiousity, why did you commit this new UI? |
| [22:13:03] | iamlindoro: | in short, don't use trunk if you need a grownup's help |
| [22:13:05] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:13:10] | wagnerrp: | because the old UI was very limited |
| [22:13:22] | juski: | rah: 1. it's TRUNK. nobody can be expected to test every frickin option |
| [22:13:27] | sphery: | What's the point of world domination? Then--when everyone else is running Myth--we're no longer special. |
| [22:13:34] | rah: | the old UI was less limited than the new UI |
| [22:13:39] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:13:41] | juski: | rah: oh shhh |
| [22:13:42] | ** iamlindoro snickers ** | |
| [22:13:47] | kormoc: | rah, cause, you are such a expect eh? |
| [22:14:03] | rah: | O_o |
| [22:14:04] | rah: | eh? |
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| [22:14:07] | juski: | rah: arguing here is futile anyway. If you don't like it – don't use it |
| [22:14:22] | juski: | you're not going to get the answer you want to hear |
| [22:14:23] | rah: | I didn't |
| [22:14:24] | kormoc: | rah, if you know so much about the new UI to know that it's 'less limited' then the new own, why do you need our input? |
| [22:14:42] | rah: | someone said the UI was being overhauled for the latest release |
| [22:14:52] | iamlindoro: | indeed it is |
| [22:14:52] | kormoc: | Which is true |
| [22:14:54] | juski: | it's *development* code. stuff gets broken |
| [22:15:02] | ** sphery thinks kormoc uses a bit too much NIST code ** | |
| [22:15:03] | rah: | when is it getting overhauled? |
| [22:15:12] | kormoc: | rah, it's in the middle of it right now |
| [22:15:20] | kormoc: | rah, it's a multi-quarter project |
| [22:15:21] | iamlindoro: | DON'T USE TRUNK |
| [22:15:22] | sphery: | guesing "expect" was meant to be "expert" |
| [22:15:28] | kormoc: | ahh, yes, expert |
| [22:15:37] | rah: | kormoc: there don't seem to be any changes |
| [22:15:41] | iamlindoro: | go use a release if you want to make comments about how things are |
| [22:15:55] | juski: | in the middle of – as in – there are too few people working on it.. because there aren't enough contributors |
| [22:15:57] | rah: | (from the last time I used myth) |
| [22:15:59] | kormoc: | rah, there are plenty, you just don't see them cause the theme you are using hasn't been re-done yet (and is likely broken) |
| [22:16:20] | kormoc: | rah, keep in mind, there are no fully working themes shipping with -trunk right now |
| [22:16:27] | iamlindoro: | or, alternately, are on a qt screen on a too-small monitor |
| [22:16:41] | iamlindoro: | s/monitor/resolution/ |
| [22:16:42] | rah: | kormoc: what will the theme change? |
| [22:16:48] | juski: | qt painter still on holiday eh? heheh |
| [22:16:58] | kormoc: | rah, everything? nothing? Up to whomever writes it |
| [22:17:06] | rah: | "everything"? |
| [22:17:13] | kormoc: | yes, could very well be |
| [22:17:18] | juski: | yes, as opposed to letting qt make everything look fugly |
| [22:17:28] | rah: | I don't understand |
| [22:17:40] | juski: | i.e. plain nasty looking widgets in the setup screens. that's qt |
| [22:17:52] | kormoc: | current themes are likely going to get deleted unless someone decides to update them |
| [22:17:53] | juski: | (before they get ported to mythui) |
| [22:17:54] | rah: | "everything" would include the help text of every option |
| [22:18:01] | kormoc: | I doubt the text is a theme |
| [22:18:02] | sphery: | rah: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Demo_Theme gives good examples of how to completely change everything with the new themes |
| [22:18:11] | rah: | I can't imagine each theme for mythtv contains help text for each option |
| [22:18:16] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:18:33] | kormoc: | rah, I thought you knew all there was about the UI! Themes define bounding boxes for the text! |
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| [22:18:48] | rah: | what else do themes define? |
| [22:18:52] | kormoc: | Look and feel! |
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| [22:19:00] | juski: | positions of onscreen objects.. yada yada yada yada |
| [22:19:11] | sphery: | and, with mythui, we now define the smell and taste in the theme |
| [22:19:11] | kormoc: | you could, you know, look into it rather then having us give you a point by point explanation |
| [22:19:12] | rah: | right |
| [22:19:19] | rah: | positions of on-screen objects |
| [22:19:22] | rah: | that's one thing |
| [22:19:25] | juski: | and stuff |
| [22:19:28] | rah: | do they define anything else? |
| [22:19:32] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_XML_Examples http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development |
| [22:19:32] | juski: | plenty |
| [22:19:39] | sphery: | there's /tons/ of good docs on it |
| [22:19:43] | juski: | ffs, where is this going.. and for what? |
| [22:19:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ^^^ |
| [22:19:58] | rah: | good question |
| [22:20:08] | rah: | it sounds like the UI is going to be prettier |
| [22:20:11] | iamlindoro: | sphery, thx :) |
| [22:20:23] | kormoc: | rah, someday, perhaps |
| [22:20:31] | juski: | because some dolt who shouldn't be running trunk has decided to run trunk and has forgotten that it's *development* code in constant flux so MAY be broken in places.. ahh |
| [22:20:33] | sphery: | getting back on topic, if you're in mythtv-setup and running at a resolution < 1024x768, things will likely be cut off on some pages |
| [22:20:46] | sphery: | and if you're at or over 1024x768, things can still be cut off on some pages |
| [22:20:46] | rah: | which is a very long way from the way in which the human user interacts with the program being overhauled |
| [22:20:59] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:21:09] | wagnerrp: | any way to force firefox to open a link with an external program? |
| [22:21:11] | sphery: | because very few people care to put tons of time into mythtv-setup because once it's set up, it's set up |
| [22:21:13] | kormoc: | rah, that's not true, and if you bothered to read the bloody links given, you'd understand that |
| [22:21:19] | rah: | one of^W^W the biggest problem with mythtv is that its UI is ridiculously bad |
| [22:21:29] | juski: | oh shut up |
| [22:21:53] | sphery: | rah: http://freevo.sourceforge.net/ |
| [22:22:20] | sphery: | or, I've heard the UI on this one rocks: http://www.xbmc.org/ |
| [22:22:25] | kormoc: | rah, like we all said, feel free to go use something else if it is so ridiculously bad |
| [22:22:30] | sphery: | (assuming you don't care about functionality :) |
| [22:22:33] | juski: | rah: and with attitudes like yours, people who've bothered contributing to the project are supposed to feel motivated HOW? |
| [22:22:39] | rah: | kormoc: the links given do not comment on the UI; they comment on themes |
| [22:22:44] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:22:51] | ** iamlindoro blinks ** | |
| [22:23:01] | kormoc: | the themes define the UI positions and such, imagine that! |
| [22:23:08] | juski: | rah: yeah *UI* themes |
| [22:23:10] | kormoc: | we have *UI* themes! amazing |
| [22:23:17] | juski: | somebody give the guy a damn good kickban |
| [22:23:25] | sphery: | eewwwwieeeee |
| [22:23:32] | ** kormoc eyes rah ** | |
| [22:23:32] | jams: | the easiest way to scroll that text window is with the mouse scroll wheel |
| [22:23:45] | juski: | go into #ubuntu, they might actually thank you for insulting them |
| [22:24:05] | rah: | you have the ability to paint the same attrocious dialogue boxes in different colours and rearrange the same unneeded buttons around the screen |
| [22:24:12] | rah: | whoopie doo |
| [22:24:26] | kormoc: | this is worthless and if you continue, you will have a -v |
| [22:24:28] | iamlindoro: | How obscenely wrong |
| [22:24:31] | juski: | rah: okay, where the hell are YOUR contributions? |
| [22:24:42] | rah: | juski: I forget |
| [22:24:43] | juski: | or did you just come here to troll? |
| [22:24:43] | sphery: | he's an idea man |
| [22:24:50] | rah: | juski: I stopped sending patches |
| [22:24:54] | sphery: | and how we need more idea men |
| [22:24:57] | rah: | a long time ago |
| [22:25:05] | juski: | yeah yeah, whatever |
| [22:25:50] | juski: | aanyway.. wonder how the last part of Torchwood went.. can't watch it yet :-\ |
| [22:25:58] | mkrufky: | gotta go .... tty later |
| [22:26:02] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [22:26:11] | rah: | juski: play button won't work? |
| [22:26:18] | ** rah runs ** | |
| [22:26:20] | ** kormoc evil eyes rah ** | |
| [22:26:34] | sphery: | woah, not only the eye, but he pulled out the /evil/ eye |
| [22:27:43] | juski: | iamlindoro: y'know I said it was a bit poo? well on the 4th episode it cranked up things a notch. I may yet take back what I've said about RTD |
| [22:27:59] | iamlindoro: | juski, Hehe.. will have to decinde in a week or so |
| [22:28:02] | iamlindoro: | decide |
| [22:29:01] | juski: | not surprised it's been as successful looking at what it's up against :P |
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| [22:29:21] | ** kormoc wonders when Eureka will be back ** | |
| [22:29:22] | jams: | hah decinde is a romanian word |
| [22:29:35] | meshe: | $(good laugh on a friday afternoon)++ |
| [22:29:42] | jams: | meaning "beyond" |
| [22:29:55] | juski: | rah: no it wasn't that the play button won't work. mythtv doesn't have tiny little onscreen transport controls like some 'media center' programs cos it works with a remote :P |
| [22:30:02] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you know thats tonight, right? |
| [22:30:07] | kormoc: | nope! |
| [22:30:12] | rah: | juski: what is this "work" you speak of? |
| [22:30:12] | ** kormoc is happy ** | |
| [22:30:19] | juski: | not watching it yet cos SWMBO is out :P |
| [22:30:23] | kormoc: | oh christ... |
| [22:30:35] | wagnerrp: | looks to be 2.5hrs away |
| [22:30:56] | juski: | .. which means it's friday night & I've not had a frickin drink cos I'm playing taxi later |
| [22:31:24] | juski: | rah: now you've just trolling. bye bye |
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| [22:31:57] | iamlindoro: | s/now you're/since you walked in you've been/ |
| [22:32:24] | ** iamlindoro should be the official channel rabble dealer-wither ** | |
| [22:32:47] | awalls: | rabble, rabble, rabble! |
| [22:32:59] | ** iamlindoro polishes the banhammer gently ** | |
| [22:33:05] | rah: | MythTV is asking me to select which individual channels out of a list of 318 that I want to recieve |
| [22:33:10] | rah: | it's asking me sequentially |
| [22:33:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the current channel scanner sucks |
| [22:33:27] | meshe: | lol |
| [22:33:37] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, the old channel scanner would leave out a number of channels |
| [22:33:37] | meshe: | rah: use 0.21-fixes |
| [22:33:44] | juski: | paris hilton sucks. I've seen that video |
| [22:33:46] | iamlindoro: | Nobody is interested in helping you. What you are seeing is well discussed on the dev and commit lists. You should know all about it. Use the release. |
| [22:33:49] | gbee: | it's not MythTV, it's XMLTV – we have no control over xmltv's configuration routine |
| [22:33:50] | rah: | meshe: this isn't the channel scanner |
| [22:34:01] | rah: | gbee: actually, you do |
| [22:34:04] | kormoc: | rah, you're just missing the mental line, take the power cord, strip off the ends, take one side and put it in your left ear, and one side into your right, then think really hard about what you want it to do... |
| [22:34:05] | gbee: | it's a third party set of apps |
| [22:34:15] | kormoc: | cause rah says so! |
| [22:34:15] | iamlindoro: | seriously, NEED OPS |
| [22:34:33] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o kormoc | |
| [22:34:37] | ** Dagmar sets mode #MythTV-users +o iamlindoro ** | |
| [22:34:46] | iamlindoro: | yay! |
| [22:34:56] | iamlindoro: | My the power of greyskull... |
| [22:35:01] | iamlindoro: | s/My/By/ |
| [22:35:02] | wagnerrp: | my? |
| [22:35:08] | ** meshe is looking forward to numerous vodka's tonight ** | |
| [22:35:13] | rah: | gbee: that doesn't stop you modifying local version |
| [22:35:17] | kormoc: | *My* power of Greyskull! |
| [22:35:17] | Dagmar: | Whoo. Narrowly escaped a suprise ferret here |
| [22:35:20] | rah: | gbee: and sending patches |
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| [22:35:35] | kormoc: | meshe++ |
| [22:35:38] | wagnerrp: | and the batter points to deep left field |
| [22:35:40] | iamlindoro: | chick-CHICK |
| [22:35:40] | kormoc: | rah, and you could asl well... |
| [22:35:46] | iamlindoro: | that was one going into the chamber |
| [22:35:50] | rah: | "asl"? |
| [22:35:52] | Dagmar: | Mom just called because some b*****d abandoned a white ferret at the vet's office she takes her dogs to |
| [22:35:54] | kormoc: | *as well |
| [22:36:08] | gbee: | what local version? We don't package xmltv and we don't want to maintain it either |
| [22:36:28] | Dagmar: | They don't do exotics there, and needed someone to take if off their hands. My mom knows, I know ferrets. Heh |
| [22:36:38] | gbee: | no, bad gbee, don't feed the troll |
| [22:36:47] | rah: | gbee: you wouldn't need to maintain a fork if your patches were accepted |
| [22:36:59] | Mode for #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc : -v rah | |
| [22:37:02] | meshe: | head -> desk |
| [22:37:09] | iamlindoro: | Ssssh, quiet now |
| [22:37:11] | kormoc: | hrm, that's not the same as the quiet sadly |
| [22:37:13] | iamlindoro: | it'll all be over soon |
| [22:37:20] | iamlindoro: | don't struggle |
| [22:37:28] | dustybin: | anybody have a link for the .21.1 changelog? |
| [22:37:31] | juski: | I love open source, me |
| [22:37:40] | wagnerrp: | there was a 0.21.1? |
| [22:37:40] | kormoc: | dustybin, erm... no such thing? |
| [22:37:44] | Dagmar: | the what? |
| [22:37:55] | gbee: | wow, schooled on OSS |
| [22:37:58] | dustybin: | aye ok, i just wanted to see what changes have been made |
| [22:38:00] | juski: | dustybin: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.21 |
| [22:38:19] | iamlindoro: | svn.mythtv.org |
| [22:38:25] | kormoc: | gbee, You just don't get OSS! Just like that kormoc fellow |
| [22:38:31] | Dagmar: | I wanna replace the sound card in my myth box, but with Eureaka coming back in a couple hours, I don't dare mess with it |
| [22:38:31] | iamlindoro: | Browse Source->Revision Log |
| [22:38:36] | dustybin: | aye thanks |
| [22:38:40] | Dagmar: | Why is there not a patch for this |
| [22:38:55] | gbee: | dustybin: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-21-fixes |
| [22:38:55] | wagnerrp: | a patch to replace your sound card for you? |
| [22:39:03] | ** Dagmar posts nastygrams to the dev list ** | |
| [22:39:05] | wagnerrp: | what, would it patch arms onto the sides of your computer? |
| [22:39:16] | dustybin: | there is soooooo much detail to mythtv |
| [22:39:24] | dustybin: | half of this stuff i never even see |
| [22:39:37] | rah: | funny |
| [22:39:42] | rah: | I never see any TV |
| [22:39:45] | Dagmar: | dustybin: No kidding man. When I tried to build it up the first time I was asea about what was going on |
| [22:39:58] | juski: | in an app with over a million lines of code and people are surprised there's a lot of detail.. according to ohlo... |
| [22:40:07] | Dagmar: | dustybin: It was the reason I put that overview page in just to try and get it spread out so I could really look at it |
| [22:40:15] | dustybin: | ok |
| [22:40:34] | dustybin: | mythtv is like a os |
| [22:40:43] | iamlindoro: | juski, Then again, Ohloh thinks myth is written in XML :) |
| [22:41:01] | juski: | hahahaha |
| [22:41:20] | juski: | yeah it pulled me down for not commenting my xml enough |
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| [22:41:29] | meshe: | iamlindoro: are you planning on having graphite in myth's main themes? |
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| [22:41:54] | iamlindoro: | meshe, Haven't been asked, so ATM no |
| [22:42:30] | ** meshe nods ** | |
| [22:43:34] | Dagmar: | <innocent>Gosh I don't know why they'd get the idea there's not enough comments</innocent> |
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| [22:47:53] | ** meshe points the ops that away (#mythtv) -> ** | |
| [22:48:18] | ** iamlindoro notes that the reaction is to someone being a dickhead, not the criticism ** | |
| [22:48:50] | iamlindoro: | And further notes that we suggest freevo because we'd rather not have to have them around :) |
| [22:49:25] | ** meshe nods ** | |
| [22:49:52] | juski: | I spent a bit of time with a guy who said he was a freevo dev a couple of years ago. he started out being a bit of the last kind of person you'd want to meet at an expo but after 90 mins or so he came around |
| [22:50:01] | meshe: | i sometimes with that my /stfu alias worked on this network |
| [22:50:55] | juski: | 90 mins of "wah! mythtv sucks! wahhh!", then I showed him it working.. and he eventually said "wow we need some of that". LOL |
| [22:51:22] | dustybin: | juski: did her wear long socks and sandles? |
| [22:51:27] | dustybin: | *he |
| [22:51:32] | Dibblah: | The initial setup does scare people. |
| [22:51:32] | awalls: | Why are those two quotes necessarily mutually exclusive? |
| [22:51:34] | juski: | dustybin: no |
| [22:51:43] | Dibblah: | And the "waaaaay too many twiddlables" too. |
| [22:52:13] | juski: | Dibblah: yeah but plenty apps are untunable. take MCE for example ;) |
| [22:52:27] | juski: | we're still waiting for that SoC guy to finish the settings revamp innit |
| [22:52:34] | juski: | hem |
| [22:52:43] | Dibblah: | Things like extra audio buggering are going the right way. Automatic when it's needed. |
| [22:52:49] | Dibblah: | Err... Buffering. |
| [22:52:57] | ** meshe laughs ** | |
| [22:53:11] | juski: | had enough of the front speakers? ;) |
| [22:53:13] | iamlindoro: | internalizing the DB will help a lot, and card autodetection |
| [22:53:34] | Dibblah: | Not with the 13 pages (!) of playback settings it won't. |
| [22:53:39] | iamlindoro: | between those thigns and making the scanner more intuitive, -setup could become as simple as setting up the SGs and doing the scan |
| [22:54:04] | juski: | I started mapping out the settings screens the other day, then work landed on my desk :-\ |
| [22:54:23] | Dibblah: | Actually, I need to dismantle my front speakers. |
| [22:54:43] | meshe: | i still say that software should have simple and expert modes and you need to take an IQ test to get to Expert |
| [22:54:45] | Dibblah: | I think I may have wired one internally with a speaker reverse polarity :( |
| [22:54:57] | juski: | whoops |
| [22:55:29] | juski: | meshe: an argument against that would be xine's 'master of the known universe' setting. yikes |
| [22:55:49] | meshe: | hehe |
| [22:55:53] | meshe: | never seen that one |
| [22:56:02] | juski: | have a look. I dare you |
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| [22:56:17] | juski: | I don't think even myth has as many configurables as that |
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| [22:57:41] | juski: | at least there's a GUI.. I've seen pvr apps where you had to hand edit text files to configure em :P |
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| [22:59:58] | iamlindoro: | and even more sadly, there's plenty of people who ask for them in myth |
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| [23:01:30] | juski: | yeah, those bastards who want mythtv-setup to work on a teletype machine.. |
| [23:01:52] | gbee: | I find it interesting that people think they can tell us something we don't know about MythTV's failings |
| [23:02:22] | juski: | make em use a standalone PVR for a week |
| [23:02:26] | awalls: | Perhaps it's just users hypothesizing that the setup would be less difficult/complex if it were in a text file |
| [23:02:33] | kormoc: | gbee, I'm especially sorry he associated all your hard work with me, I'd love to take the credit for it all, it's lovely :) |
| [23:02:56] | awalls: | Not that that's necessarily true |
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| [23:03:32] | rushfan: | I'm running the latest mythtv snapshop, and the channel scanner no longe ras the channel separator option. How do I set it to a period now? |
| [23:03:33] | awalls: | It just indicates the person probably finds setup too daunting |
| [23:03:34] | juski: | awalls: last time I checked, editing a text file with a remote control was a bit of a bitch ;) |
| [23:03:52] | awalls: | Well yes. |
| [23:04:13] | awalls: | I usually use MythTV in a window on my desktop. |
| [23:04:28] | awalls: | I guess I'm not the normal use case. |
| [23:05:18] | AndyCap: | awalls: heh, me too |
| [23:05:20] | juski: | not sure there's any such thing |
| [23:05:37] | awalls: | juski: probably true. |
| [23:05:42] | iamlindoro: | If there is a normal use case, it's not someone running a homebrewed DVR on linux :) |
| [23:05:58] | AndyCap: | a normal head case. |
| [23:06:54] | juski: | ruh? www.mythtvbook.com |
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| [23:07:46] | AndyCap: | Practial MythTV? |
| [23:08:20] | AndyCap: | there's even a video? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6641045817693171683 |
| [23:08:23] | juski: | apparently adapted & updated from that |
| [23:10:24] | iamlindoro: | Sooooooo they've gone and made their own parallel myth wiki |
| [23:10:33] | iamlindoro: | There's actually something to be said for that, I guess |
| [23:11:03] | AndyCap: | hmm, only one mention of his name on the mythtv.org wiki |
| [23:12:41] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [23:12:48] | sid3windr: | I just read you died a few days back, iamlindoro |
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| [23:13:11] | iamlindoro: | I'm feeling much better now |
| [23:14:12] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [23:18:34] | juski: | I preferred my talks, as bad as they were but then I'm biassed :) |
| [23:18:35] | rah: | gbee: what makes us think we can tell you is that these failings never change |
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| [23:20:04] | iamlindoro: | thought we solved this problem already? |
| [23:20:15] | rah: | for example, as noted, there are serious problems with the user interface |
| [23:20:25] | iamlindoro: | jesus effing christ |
| [23:20:43] | rah: | rather than deal with this problem, a great deal of time and effort has instead been invested in making buttons shiny |
| [23:20:46] | Dagmar: | rah: So fix some bugs |
| [23:21:12] | rah: | Dagmar: I would if other people stopped making buttons look shiney and fixed some problems instead |
| [23:21:18] | Dagmar: | Bullshit. |
| [23:21:23] | rah: | O_o |
| [23:21:26] | rah: | Dagmar: I would if other people stopped making buttons look shiney and fixed some problems instead |
| [23:21:31] | Dagmar: | YOU have the problem, *you* get to fix it |
| [23:21:43] | Dagmar: | You dont' have any right to go middle management telling other people what they should or should not be doing. |
| [23:21:44] | rah: | I have sent patches in for mythtv in the past |
| [23:21:52] | Dagmar: | So send in more or shut the hell up man |
| [23:21:54] | Dagmar: | This is tired |
| [23:21:58] | rah: | I'm not telling them what they should do |
| [23:22:11] | Dagmar: | Then why are you talking |
| [23:22:12] | rah: | I'm explaining why I won't help |
| [23:22:17] | juski: | what problem? |
| [23:22:21] | rah: | becaus gbee is reasonable |
| [23:23:19] | juski: | oh, that problem |
| [23:24:43] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [23:24:56] | juski: | there's really no point trying to explain how OSS works to some people, is there |
| [23:25:22] | kormoc: | rah, this isn't a normal company, people don't get paid to do it, if someone wants to use their free time to make buttons look shiny, they should be allowed to, without seeking the permission of the dictator Mr. Rah.... |
| [23:25:24] | rah: | yes, of course, the problem is that I don't understand software freedom.. |
| [23:25:32] | juski: | people scratch their own itches, do their own thing off their own bat. no reason they should do anything else but if they do it's their own prerogative |
| [23:25:50] | rah: | kormoc: I'm not telling them what they should do, I'm explaining why I won't help |
| [23:26:03] | juski: | so if you won't help, stop moaning :) |
| [23:26:13] | kormoc: | rah, no, you're trying to black mail us by saying you won't help until others do x or y or z... |
| [23:26:25] | Dagmar: | ...which is basically giving other people marching orders. |
| [23:26:42] | rah: | I'm pointing out that the community has problems |
| [23:26:50] | kormoc: | the community's only problem is you |
| [23:26:52] | rah: | which are manifested in problems in the software |
| [23:26:54] | juski: | yeah it has people like you in it |
| [23:26:57] | kormoc: | really, we're quite happy with how it is |
| [23:27:02] | juski: | people who whine but do nothing |
| [23:27:03] | rah: | kormoc: no, the community's problem is not me |
| [23:27:03] | kormoc: | and we're more of the community then you are |
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| [23:27:16] | rah: | kormoc: perhaps, then, you are the problem |
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| [23:27:35] | dustybin: | rah: are you a troll? |
| [23:27:36] | iamlindoro: | adios |
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| [23:27:37] | kormoc: | I'm done with this |
| [23:27:50] | juski: | I'm glad to say it's been a hell of a long time since I saw one this bad here |
| [23:28:23] | Dagmar: | I just stunned that he was still back after I went and took a shower, shaved, gussied up, etc |
| [23:28:33] | Dagmar: | er I was just stunned |
| [23:28:50] | kormoc: | well, I was hoping a short quiet would do the trick, he didn't |
| [23:29:14] | kormoc: | *it didn't |
| [23:29:35] | juski: | oh its the 'no, it's not a missing dependency' but it was a missing dependency from earlier today |
| [23:30:01] | iamlindoro: | or the "why doesn't myth work properly with xmltv" when XMLtv isn't installed |
| [23:30:05] | ** knowledgejunkie wonders about the fun and games he missed earlier ** | |
| [23:30:25] | kormoc: | knowledgejunkie, it's all logged |
| [23:30:35] | ** kormoc frames <rah> kormoc: perhaps, then, you are the problem on his wall ** | |
| [23:30:40] | iamlindoro: | except for the part in #mythtv where he was ranting and raving early this AM :) |
| [23:30:42] | knowledgejunkie: | knowledgejunkie: still on beirdo? |
| [23:30:53] | juski: | hey, this is great though. one of them, and there are no veins sticking out of my head |
| [23:30:56] | juski: | :D |
| [23:31:01] | juski: | wow, well done me! |
| [23:31:59] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: er, no good asking myself i guess! |
| [23:32:16] | kormoc: | Heh, yeah it's still on beirdo bot |
| [23:32:47] | juski: | I have to say, you guys are a whole load more patient than I could be :) |
| [23:33:03] | iamlindoro: | "<rah> Dibblah: I DON'T REMEMBER ASKING YOU A GODDAMNED THING" |
| [23:33:11] | ** kormoc missed that ** | |
| [23:33:14] | iamlindoro: | That happened before I woke up |
| [23:33:18] | iamlindoro: | in #mythtv |
| [23:33:28] | kormoc: | What's that really soft lead like metal? |
| [23:33:29] | iamlindoro: | predisposed me to think/know he was a douchbag |
| [23:33:31] | Dagmar: | Stamina troll has stamina |
| [23:33:41] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Gold? |
| [23:33:44] | Dagmar: | Pewter? |
| [23:33:52] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: probably a mantra of his. :) < rah> laga: I don't remember asking you a god-damned thing! |
| [23:33:53] | ** kormoc rules with a pewter fist ** | |
| [23:33:59] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, heh |
| [23:34:01] | juski: | douchebags are kinda useful though, if you need to douche |
| [23:34:26] | juski: | ruh roh. sleepwalking into bash.org again |
| [23:35:14] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, just give a fella ops, I'll happily rule with a lutetium fist |
| [23:36:08] | ** kormoc grins ** | |
| [23:36:29] | kormoc: | you know, juski used to have the top spot in number of bans, but then he gave up his ops! |
| [23:36:50] | juski: | dont ever remember banning anyone |
| [23:37:06] | kormoc: | ooh? I thought you were a lot? |
| [23:37:29] | juski: | *angry* yes, not banning |
| [23:38:55] | juski: | god, I'm so tired now but have to wait for SWMBO to make the drunken booty call |
| [23:39:04] | juski: | erm.. taxi. ahem |
| [23:40:02] | juski: | took doggy to his 1st ever 'fun agility' class tonight. He loves them jumps & tunnels.. apparently |
| [23:41:09] | kormoc: | heh, fair 'nuff |
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