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| [00:02:03] | ** superdump would like to set something up to transcode his recordings to h.264+aac in mp4 ** | |
| [00:06:01] | sphery: | psm321: and I'm a watch & delete guy |
| [00:06:26] | sphery: | so for a packrat, HDTV takes a lot of space |
| [00:09:22] | psm321: | yeah |
| [00:09:37] | psm321: | i'd just set it to transcode down like i do now but |
| [00:10:05] | psm321: | i want to figure out a way to autodetect all the different aspect ratios and cut out the black bars that stupid stations sometimes add on |
| [00:11:17] | psm321: | with analog it was pretty rare to have anything other than regular 4:3 |
| [00:11:50] | wagnerrp: | you can always just bind a button to 'zoom', and change it as needed |
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| [00:13:46] | kormoc: | or just install the auto-detect aspect ratio and zoom patch |
| [00:14:00] | wagnerrp: | oh? was unaware of such a patch |
| [00:14:06] | psm321: | good to know it exists |
| [00:14:13] | psm321: | i meant to save space on transcoding |
| [00:14:19] | psm321: | no point in encoding black bars |
| [00:14:25] | kormoc: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4872 |
| [00:14:41] | kormoc: | although it need some work for latest trunk |
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| [00:15:19] | psm321: | tho with digital i guess the black bars are probably pretty close to pure black so they'd probably compress down pretty well? |
| [00:15:26] | kormoc: | very likely |
| [00:16:26] | psm321: | hmm, this patch seems to address 16:9 content transmitted in 4:3 with black bars on the top and bottom... the problem i've run into more often is 4:3 content transmitted in 16:9 with black bars on the side |
| [00:16:40] | kormoc: | it detects that as well |
| [00:16:55] | kormoc: | well, perhaps not... |
| [00:17:34] | psm321: | a good starting poiint tho, thanks! |
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| [00:19:36] | psm321: | at least comcast gave lots of advance warning, i have until october to get this all up and running |
| [00:22:11] | jblack: | psm321: Yeah. Some stations are doing that. :( |
| [00:22:16] | sphery: | psm321: encoding black bars into the recording takes almost 0 space |
| [00:22:39] | sphery: | you won't save enough to make the danger of autodetection worthwhile |
| [00:22:48] | sphery: | test it manually on a recording |
| [00:22:53] | jblack: | psm321: Sometimes they double box here. There's nothing like a letterbox inside a letterbox. |
| [00:22:56] | psm321: | ok, good to know for sure... i figured it was probably close to zero but i didnt know for sure |
| [00:23:19] | sphery: | (the blacker the bars--or, technically, the more consistent the color of the bars over time--the less space they take) |
| [00:23:30] | sphery: | i.e. 0 change is very little space |
| [00:23:38] | psm321: | jblack: like doubleboxed straight from the station or double boxed because they messed up the ratio? |
| [00:23:56] | jblack: | Straight from the station. |
| [00:24:12] | jblack: | 720p encoding, letterbox in letterbox. |
| [00:24:15] | sphery: | I hate that--letter and pillerboxed content |
| [00:24:28] | psm321: | sphery: yeah thats what i figured, but then i've seen encodes of a constant slide take up way too much space so i thought maybe i didnt know enough about it |
| [00:24:34] | jblack: | be nice if transcode would strip those out. Then it wouldn't cause me any trouble. |
| [00:24:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | jblack: I think you mean "Letterboxed within a Pillarbox"... |
| [00:24:48] | jblack: | I know I mean "sux0rs" |
| [00:24:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | dang, sphery beat me... ;-) |
| [00:25:11] | jblack: | Let me show you something neat. Pick up a letter. |
| [00:25:16] | sphery: | only because I was typing it to express my hate before he described it |
| [00:25:20] | psm321: | sphery: i guess the spacial constantness along with temporal helps? |
| [00:25:24] | jblack: | Rotate it 90 degrees. It's sideways, but still a a letter. :) |
| [00:26:20] | sphery: | psm321: yeah... basically, a bunch of pixels in a row that are the exact same color take up virtually no space in keyframes and if it's constant over time, there's no intra-frame change/space |
| [00:27:20] | sphery: | so, if you have an analog recording with letterboxing, it will take space (because of the murky gray/black/purple colors in the black bars that change over time) |
| [00:27:32] | sphery: | but if it's a digital recording, it shouldn't take much space at all |
| [00:27:44] | ** psm321 tries to figure out what a good test would be ** | |
| [00:27:45] | sphery: | because there, black should be black |
| [00:27:53] | psm321: | yeah |
| [00:28:14] | sphery: | psm321: if you do up a real test, posting results to the wiki would be nice :) |
| [00:28:27] | sphery: | then I can just refer the next guy to your page |
| [00:29:47] | psm321: | well i'm trying to figure out what a good methodology would be... do encoders allow you to specify a target quality instead of bitrate? cuase with constant bitrate the thing to judge would be image quality and thats murky... but if i can get the encoder to give me a constant "quality" then i can compare file sizes |
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| [00:30:15] | sphery: | ahh, yeah... that's a good point |
| [00:30:31] | sphery: | I don't know enough about different encoders to say |
| [00:31:33] | psm321: | or i could watse way too much time and dig deep into the formats and actually figure out how many bits are being used to encode the bars :-P |
| [00:33:20] | sphery: | looks like MJPEG is quality based |
| [00:33:49] | sphery: | (just looking at avidemux2, selected Mjpeg, then configure and all I can set is the quality) |
| [00:34:02] | sphery: | so doing 2 at 90% or whatever and comparing size shuold be a reasonable test |
| [00:34:19] | sphery: | and--on the bright side--won't take long at all to encode :) |
| [00:35:42] | psm321: | cool, i'll try to do that at some point (probably wont be soon... got too many things going on) |
| [00:35:56] | sphery: | cool |
| [00:36:16] | sphery: | if I get a chance to, I will, but my parents are going to be visiting for 3 weeks, so... |
| [00:44:42] | wagnerrp: | how do you call user jobs from within the UI? |
| [00:45:14] | wagnerrp: | when writing that script, i just had assumed that was possible |
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| [00:45:39] | wagnerrp: | but i cant figure out where |
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| [00:46:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: in Watch Recordings, select a recording, then INFO (i), then Job Options. Is it there? |
| [00:47:07] | sphery: | (I don't have any user jobs enabled, so not seeing them does not indicate they're not there for people who have them.) |
| [00:47:35] | superdump: | is it possible to set manual command lines for transcoding jobs or does one have to write some script to be used? |
| [00:49:13] | sphery: | for running /at/ the command line? |
| [00:49:43] | Shadow__X: | hehe watching cbs hd on a p4 1.6ghz with a nvidia tnt2 causes fireballs to spit out of the case |
| [00:49:52] | Shadow__X: | and tears to pour out of the zip drive |
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| [00:50:00] | sphery: | should be able to do that. if for a user job, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Jobs |
| [00:50:47] | Shadow__X: | i have the fe set to slim |
| [00:52:35] | superdump: | sphery: thanks |
| [00:53:55] | Shadow__X: | nvidia 71 drivers |
| [00:54:01] | Shadow__X: | ohh yeah |
| [00:54:07] | Shadow__X: | i think i made clever jealous |
| [00:54:23] | wagnerrp: | ah... i |
| [00:54:32] | wagnerrp: | had been looking in the 'm' menu |
| [00:57:45] | sphery: | on the bright side, that's what gb ee is wanting to fix for 0.22 (i.e. both will be available through m) |
| [00:57:56] | sphery: | and I will give details (what's currently u) |
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| [01:26:29] | rushfan: | I installed mythtv from svn on fedora but I am getting this error: |
| [01:26:30] | rushfan: | 2009-07–01 21:25:55.547 Application binary version (0.22.20090424–2) does not match libraries (0.22.20090202–1) |
| [01:26:41] | rushfan: | I tried running make distclean and recompiling to no avail |
| [01:26:54] | wagnerrp: | did you have a previous installation? |
| [01:27:10] | rushfan: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [01:27:17] | rushfan: | Apparently it didn't get cleaned up properly? |
| [01:27:18] | wagnerrp: | try running 'make uninstall' and then install and build again |
| [01:27:30] | rushfan: | ok |
| [01:27:52] | wagnerrp: | did you have a previous package install? |
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| [01:28:22] | squidly: | how can I get myth to link channel info with what SD says shoudl be there |
| [01:28:33] | rushfan: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [01:28:38] | wagnerrp: | open up the channel editor, and manually set the xmlids |
| [01:28:42] | rushfan: | wagnerrp: I removed all of thos with yum remove /*myth*/ |
| [01:28:45] | wagnerrp: | you should uninstall that version as well |
| [01:28:47] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [01:28:59] | Shadow__X: | would a fx5200 make playback better than a tnt2 |
| [01:29:14] | sphery: | squidly: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [01:29:18] | squidly: | sphery: ty |
| [01:29:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: I would think so! |
| [01:29:27] | wagnerrp: | xv should be all you need |
| [01:29:38] | wagnerrp: | if the drivers support xv on the tnt2, thats sufficient |
| [01:29:42] | Shadow__X: | does xv work on a 5200 |
| [01:30:01] | wagnerrp: | however on a machine old enough to be running a tnt2, use of xvmc would probably be worthwhile |
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| [01:30:07] | wagnerrp: | in which case the 5200 would be better |
| [01:31:00] | sphery: | Shadow__X: likely it's the underpowered P4 1.6GHz that's the true bottleneck--you really need a 3GHz P4 for 1080i with deinterlace |
| [01:31:16] | sphery: | swapping to a 5200 won't make enough difference |
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| [01:31:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | 1080i? |
| [01:32:35] | sphery: | it is possible that the TNT2 doesn't support large enough surfaces for 1080i/p video, too, so if that's the case, the 5200 would be better (but still need to upgrade the processor--and possibly mobo/ram) |
| [01:33:26] | sphery: | 1080i = 1920x1080 interlaced @ 60 fields/sec for 30 frames/sec |
| [01:33:37] | sphery: | i.e. what he's getting from CBS |
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| [01:34:42] | Shadow__X: | yeah hd is not going to be an option with this box |
| [01:34:52] | sphery: | (normally I'd just agree with wagnerrp--that all you'd need is Xv, but with a card that old, it may not support "enough" Xv) |
| [01:35:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: A few years ago, I had 720P working with a PIII and XvMC on a 5200 ... But nobody else seems to have been that lucky. |
| [01:35:05] | Shadow__X: | but i think the tnt2 is way to old to be used on here i see each menu being drawn |
| [01:35:08] | Shadow__X: | its pretty bad |
| [01:35:25] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A,what should i select in play back then |
| [01:35:43] | sphery: | Shadow__X: purely out of curiosity, could you post the results of: xvinfo | grep 'maximum XvImage size' |
| [01:35:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Oh, and it was a 1Ghz PIII --- ^^ I don't remember specifically, it was a LONG time ago... |
| [01:36:07] | sphery: | Shadow__X: your doing so would save me a trip to the museum to run the test myself ;) |
| [01:36:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: One thing I did note is that the *higher* the resolution to true HD, the better it ran on 720p... (presumably because it didn't have to scale *down* much? I dunno) |
| [01:36:40] | Shadow__X: | apparently i am not allowed to still have old systems |
| [01:36:46] | Shadow__X: | ya know i do have newer systems as well |
| [01:37:09] | rushfan: | wagnerrp: I did that but I'm still having the same issue. |
| [01:37:16] | rushfan: | wagnerrp: Is there a better way to clean everything up? |
| [01:38:19] | sphery: | best way to clean up input connections/channels is the Delete all video sources method I linked |
| [01:38:45] | sphery: | any other approach can leave garbage and even if you get things working today, they may just stop working at some point in the future because of the other garbage |
| [01:38:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | rushfan: Before doing a 'make install' of a new version of myth, I usually clean up the myth libs manually via something like "rm /usr/local/lib/libmyth*" – then doing the 'make install'... |
| [01:38:51] | Shadow__X: | sphery,2046x2046 |
| [01:39:08] | sphery: | Shadow__X: so, all you need is Xv, then |
| [01:39:40] | rushfan: | J-e-f-f-A: ty |
| [01:39:42] | Shadow__X: | on the tnt2? |
| [01:39:50] | sphery: | Shadow__X: however, the OpenGL in the menu's may be an issue (set the Theme Painter to Qt, not OpenGL) |
| [01:40:16] | sphery: | Shadow__X: just saying that card can support 1920x1080p video |
| [01:40:39] | rushfan: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah that got rid of the old libraries ty |
| [01:40:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | rushfan: NP. ;-) |
| [01:40:51] | sphery: | slow menu redraw with Qt painter is due to the memory on the card and the memory bandwidth |
| [01:41:02] | sphery: | i.e. if it's still slow with Qt painter, then swap cards. |
| [01:41:34] | sphery: | rushfan: oh, sorry... you weren't the one cleaning up input sources... sorry for the noise. |
| [01:41:44] | sphery: | cleaning libs is important |
| [01:42:17] | Shadow__X: | Shadow__X,ah its 32 mb thats probably the problem huh |
| [01:42:35] | Shadow__X: | sphery,it was already on qt painter |
| [01:43:48] | sphery: | 32MB is enough for 1920x1080 screen at 32bit color (which only takes about 8MiB), but for cards with low RAM size, the RAM bandwidth is usually very low, so it takes a while to move data in/out (and has to happen more often because of the whole small amount of RAM thing) |
| [01:44:04] | sphery: | Shadow__X: yeah, so if it's still slow, it's worth swapping up |
| [01:45:12] | Shadow__X: | alright thanks for the help i remembered i had a fx5200 laying around |
| [01:45:30] | sphery: | I had a GF4MX440 with 128MB (IIRC) and it was OK at 1920x1080p60, but I had to disable the OpenGL effects in MythMusic/MythGallery and I had the occasional slow menu redraw |
| [01:45:40] | sphery: | 5200 should be good |
| [01:46:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: make sure to turn off the OSD fade, and expect stuttering while the OSD is displaying. |
| [01:48:04] | Shadow__X: | otay |
| [01:49:26] | Shadow__X: | i hate old ide hd's they are soooo slow |
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| [01:50:10] | Shadow__X: | using the same 71 driver its already loads faster |
| [01:50:59] | Shadow__X: | althoght i just tried to watch cbs hd and was then greated to a full blue screen |
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| [01:55:25] | Shadow__X: | i installed the 71 nvidia driver from their site |
| [01:55:31] | Shadow__X: | how do i uninstall it |
| [01:58:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Did you try installing the new (173.14.20) driver? |
| [01:59:09] | Shadow__X: | yeah doing that now |
| [01:59:33] | Shadow__X: | but its already more promising to get it useable |
| [01:59:45] | daum: | anyone able to help me troubleshoot why it seems my mythtv-setup keeps segfaulting? |
| [02:00:02] | Shadow__X: | daum, ogs? |
| [02:00:04] | Shadow__X: | logs* |
| [02:01:21] | daum: | Shadow__X, which log |
| [02:01:49] | daum: | the mythbackend.log says its starting up, connects to the master successfully |
| [02:01:50] | daum: | then nothing |
| [02:02:20] | Shadow__X: | the mythtv setup log |
| [02:02:33] | daum: | where does it put that? |
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| [02:10:33] | sphery: | daum: on the terminal from which you start mythtv-setup |
| [02:10:44] | sphery: | unless mythtv-setup is a script that calls the real mythtv-setup |
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| [02:10:54] | sphery: | daum: however, I have to ask, is this Fedora 11 |
| [02:12:16] | daum: | sphery, no gentoo |
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| [02:12:51] | daum: | sphery, http://myiawef.pastebin.com/d7f40100c |
| [02:12:53] | sphery: | ok... lots of people with F11 were having segfaults, so I thought it may just be the distro |
| [02:13:15] | sphery: | that's exactly like the logs from the F11 people, though |
| [02:13:16] | daum: | ah nah, gentoo, i'm a quad core processor and ir ead that makes sometimes some problems so i also tried taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup |
| [02:13:22] | sphery: | it's segfaulting on display |
| [02:13:33] | daum: | hm i got it to run once as root |
| [02:13:40] | daum: | but no luck since |
| [02:13:49] | sphery: | the taskset only works around the segfault during channel scans |
| [02:13:57] | sphery: | (but doesn't hurt to use it) |
| [02:14:19] | sphery: | that's what F11 people tended to say... worked once or a couple times, then segfaulted every time |
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| [02:14:51] | daum: | ah anyone figure out the problem? |
| [02:14:55] | sphery: | may be due to versions of dependencies (i.e Qt or something) |
| [02:15:11] | sphery: | no, no one has figured it out |
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| [02:15:31] | sphery: | and I can't reproduce it (I'm not using F11 or Gentoo), so I haven't spent any real time on it |
| [02:15:33] | daum: | bummers |
| [02:15:37] | sphery: | just got to look at some stack traces |
| [02:15:41] | sphery: | btw, what video card? |
| [02:15:41] | kormoc: | daum, run a strace on it |
| [02:15:57] | daum: | radeon x1550 pcie x1 (yeah my video card is very uh esoteric) |
| [02:15:59] | kormoc: | or gdb if you recompile with option nostrip |
| [02:16:21] | daum: | sec installing strace |
| [02:16:53] | sphery: | if you do the gdb, I'll bet you'll see it segfaulting with a tiny little thread trace at the top |
| [02:17:15] | daum: | so just so i can confrim what im'd oing i can actually do, i want to connect to a remote compute ron my network with the mythback DB that has the videos and all the info, and to play it on my local comp, that is doable right |
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| [02:17:43] | daum: | do you want the entire strace/ |
| [02:17:53] | sphery: | (btw, if using gdb, please do as http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 (and feel free to write up instructions for how to do the gdb backtrace for Gentoo at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [02:17:56] | kormoc: | the last 50 lines likely should do it |
| [02:18:17] | sphery: | daum: ATI proprietary drivers? |
| [02:18:27] | daum: | sphery, no, opensource |
| [02:18:28] | Shadow__X: | ok so i got the new driver and thats working except still no hd heh |
| [02:18:28] | daum: | http://myawefawef.pastebin.com/d2a96193d |
| [02:18:29] | sphery: | if so, there are a couple of environment variables you should set |
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| [02:18:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: for S&G, try using XvMC... |
| [02:19:14] | thedarkone: | is a amd althon 3000+ any good |
| [02:19:21] | thedarkone: | for doing mythtv |
| [02:19:23] | sphery: | /usr/kde/3.5/lib64/kde3/plugins/styles/ hmmm |
| [02:19:32] | kormoc: | daum, so it's something involving handle 9 |
| [02:19:35] | Shadow__X: | thedarkone,all depends on what you want to do |
| [02:19:40] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A,so cpu-- |
| [02:19:45] | thedarkone: | sd and some hd |
| [02:19:53] | kormoc: | look for something that has = 9 on the end of it, that should give you the idea of what handle 9 is pointing to |
| [02:19:55] | thedarkone: | i mean firewire |
| [02:20:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | thedarkone: My son's using a frontend with a 3200+ – barely sufficient for 720p (although it's a VIA chipset – asus pundit P2) |
| [02:20:21] | thedarkone: | okay |
| [02:20:34] | thedarkone: | this not good |
| [02:20:36] | sphery: | kormoc: wondering if this has something to do with the (rumored to be incompatible) kde modular thing.... |
| [02:20:42] | kormoc: | could be |
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| [02:20:54] | kormoc: | knowing exactly what FH 9 is should nail it down |
| [02:21:27] | sphery: | yeah, looks like it's something to do with kde 3.5 styles |
| [02:21:57] | sphery: | KDEmod |
| [02:22:05] | sphery: | daum: did you install KDEmod |
| [02:22:09] | daum: | kormoc, what am i searching for? sorry(no idea what to look for, web programmer here) |
| [02:22:27] | daum: | sphery, what package is it part of? |
| [02:22:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Speaking of F11, I just installed that on a friend's laptop, and everything seemed to be detected/installed right out of the box, just had to install the Nvidia binary drivers and firmware for his wireless... |
| [02:22:39] | sphery: | no idea... http://kdemod.ath.cx/ |
| [02:23:24] | daum: | sphery, uh don't htink so |
| [02:23:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... But he was having trouble today installing his hp network printer... color LaserJet 2600n... :-( |
| [02:23:36] | daum: | i haev hte basic kde package |
| [02:24:57] | wagnerrp: | something seems wrong, installing a commercial color laser, at a home, for a laptop |
| [02:25:01] | sphery: | alright, it may not have spread outside of Arch, yet |
| [02:25:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: bug you gotta have that duty cycle! |
| [02:25:37] | sphery: | s/bug/but/ |
| [02:25:52] | kormoc: | daum, grep for "= 9" |
| [02:25:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: commercial? I've got a 2605dn at my house... ;-) |
| [02:25:58] | daum: | ah ok sec |
| [02:26:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what... of 10k pages/month? |
| [02:26:53] | sphery: | heh, I've never actually used a whole inkjet cartridge before HP's profit-chip disabled the cartridge |
| [02:27:05] | daum: | open("/usr/kde/3.5/lib64/kde3/plugins/styles", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY|O_CLOEXEC) = 9 |
| [02:27:08] | daum: | might be it? |
| [02:27:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: — try 1500 pages/month recommended max. |
| [02:27:53] | wagnerrp: | didnt realize there was that much difference between the 2-series and the 4-series |
| [02:28:28] | sphery: | 1500pages/mo is still 50pages/day |
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| [02:28:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | I only paid $410 for mine a couple of years ago, my buddy got his for < $300 on a staples mis-price.. |
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| [02:29:01] | sphery: | guess he just stopped by to hear you say that one thing? |
| [02:29:38] | wagnerrp: | id like a nice color laser, but i just wouldnt use it |
| [02:29:57] | sphery: | daum: is this 0.21-fixes or trunk? |
| [02:30:08] | wagnerrp: | my current printer has pretty much been broken for the last three years |
| [02:30:18] | wagnerrp: | i can get it to work, but it has paper feed issues |
| [02:30:45] | wagnerrp: | i really only bought it for the scanner anyway |
| [02:30:47] | daum: | sphery, 0.21_p18314-r1 at the moment |
| [02:31:17] | sphery: | daum: My first recommendation would be to get rid of KDE, but then again, I'd probably recommend that even if everything were working for you. (Don't worry, I'm impartial--I'd say the same about GNOME, and if pressured, would say the same about xfce.) |
| [02:31:31] | daum: | sphery, ha what doy ou use? |
| [02:31:36] | kormoc: | daum, that'd be the one, care to find out what package that dir/file belongs to? |
| [02:31:36] | sphery: | it definitely looks like some Qt/KDE interaction gone wrong |
| [02:31:49] | wagnerrp: | if this is a mythtv-only box, there is no need for a window manager |
| [02:32:11] | wagnerrp: | if youre running all mythtv apps, there will be no focus issues |
| [02:32:13] | daum: | wagnerrp, it isn't, this is my workstation i have antoher comp that is just running the backend |
| [02:32:39] | sphery: | daum: For a dedicated MythBox, I recommend lightweight. Anything from Fluxbox (hard to configure, about 1MB incremental RAM usage) to RatPoison (easy to configure, about 300kB incremental RAM usage). |
| [02:32:58] | kormoc: | daum, equery b /path/to/file/or/dir |
| [02:32:58] | sphery: | actually, no need for a desktop environment |
| [02:33:05] | sphery: | you should have a window manager |
| [02:33:17] | sphery: | (even Myth uses multiple windows, so you really need something to manage those windows) |
| [02:33:20] | wagnerrp: | im running ratpoison or evilwm, dont remember which off hand |
| [02:33:21] | daum: | sphery, yeah this isn't a dedicated, i use this for all my work(its a dual monitor setup actually) |
| [02:33:38] | sphery: | yeah, ratpoison is a great choice |
| [02:33:50] | sphery: | I don't know much about evilwm, but I'd guess it's not a bad choice, either |
| [02:34:06] | sphery: | (basically, anything that's not a desktop environment is not a bad choice :) |
| [02:34:33] | rushfan: | mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.22.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| [02:34:43] | rushfan: | I am getting that error after building mythtv from svn |
| [02:34:56] | sphery: | I use FluxBox, but only because I /prefer/ it on all my desktop/workstation computers, so since it's lightweight, it works for my Myth frontend, too. |
| [02:35:14] | sphery: | rushfan: ldconfig |
| [02:35:29] | sphery: | if not that, then your install is broken |
| [02:36:30] | rushfan: | sphery: well my install is broken :( |
| [02:36:42] | rushfan: | sphery: I did everything according to the mythtv.org wiki |
| [02:36:50] | sphery: | any reason you're compiling and not just running packages? |
| [02:39:56] | rushfan: | sphery: because the packages are broken for me? |
| [02:40:17] | sphery: | :( |
| [02:40:36] | sphery: | unfortunately, I don't know your distro, so I probably won't be much help |
| [02:40:48] | sphery: | (don't know your distro = don't know any distros) |
| [02:41:26] | rushfan: | sphery: neither do I. I write device drivers, I don't worry myself with distro specific issues |
| [02:41:37] | sphery: | which drivers? |
| [02:42:28] | rushfan: | sphery: ahh I see. I fubared. My libs installed to /usr/local/lib and not /usr/local/lib64 |
| [02:42:53] | rushfan: | sphery: right now I'm working on fixing the pl2303 serial->usb driver |
| [02:43:17] | sphery: | cool |
| [02:43:23] | sphery: | and glad you found the issue, too |
| [02:43:39] | rushfan: | Note: x86_64 users will have to add --libdir-name=lib64 |
| [02:43:43] | rushfan: | I missed that note on the wiki |
| [02:43:44] | rushfan: | haha |
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| [02:50:25] | wagnerrp: | that depends on your system |
| [02:51:11] | wagnerrp: | mine has both lib32 and lib64, with lib64 symlinked to lib |
| [02:51:36] | wagnerrp: | its a 64-bit system, it only makes sense for your 64-bit drivers to be primary |
| [02:52:39] | sphery: | yeah, different distros had different takes on it |
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| [02:58:25] | wagnerrp: | looks like nvidia is prepping a new ION for the end of the year |
| [02:58:31] | wagnerrp: | die shrink and performance boost |
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| [03:37:44] | rushfan: | Is there a way to upgrade the database to the latest scheme in one step intead of going incrementally? |
| [03:38:21] | sphery: | no, why? |
| [03:38:34] | sphery: | it does it incrementally, but to the end user it seems like one step |
| [03:38:41] | rushfan: | sphery: not to me it doesn't :| |
| [03:38:45] | sphery: | it should |
| [03:38:50] | sphery: | what's happening? |
| [03:39:22] | rushfan: | sphery: everytime I load mythbackend it wants to upgrade my database says its at schema 1215 |
| [03:39:26] | sphery: | it should just be a bunch of lines in the same log file saying it got upgraded to 1215, 1216, 1217, ... up to whereever trunk is at |
| [03:39:39] | sphery: | that means it's failing the upgrade |
| [03:39:40] | rushfan: | Then I say yes upgrade but it doesn't get upgraded :-\ |
| [03:39:47] | rushfan: | Hmm, great |
| [03:39:48] | sphery: | 1215 is also a very important upgrade |
| [03:40:08] | sphery: | one one that can fail if you've done anything wrong with your old database |
| [03:40:14] | sphery: | did you say you were gentoo? |
| [03:40:29] | rushfan: | sphery: No fedora. Although I used to be gentoo. You must smell ricers out well haha; -) |
| [03:40:52] | sphery: | did you ever run with the mythconverg database on a Gentoo MySQL server? |
| [03:40:56] | sphery: | If so: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding |
| [03:41:04] | rushfan: | sphery: no |
| [03:41:17] | rushfan: | sphery: I could always jut delete my database and start anew |
| [03:41:26] | sphery: | do you get any errors in the log file about the upgrade? |
| [03:41:34] | sphery: | 1215 can take a while, too |
| [03:41:44] | sphery: | so if you stop it mid-upgrade, it can mess things up |
| [03:41:50] | rushfan: | sphery: oh ok |
| [03:42:00] | rushfan: | sphery: oh it is just taking forever. its going to 1217 now |
| [03:42:03] | rushfan: | so I'l just let it run |
| [03:42:27] | sphery: | yeah 1215–1216 and 1216–1217 are big |
| [03:42:48] | sphery: | the rest should be relatively quick |
| [03:43:01] | sphery: | anyway, good luck and enjoy... gotta get to bed |
| [03:43:02] | rushfan: | I also fixed my sound problems by purging pulseaudio from my setup |
| [03:43:06] | rushfan: | sphery: same. good night |
| [03:43:10] | sphery: | yeah, pulse is bad for Myth |
| [03:43:20] | sphery: | best thing is to get rid of it completely |
| [03:43:21] | rushfan: | sphery: its bad for my soundcard in general |
| [03:43:31] | rushfan: | And with hardware mixing I have no use for it |
| [03:43:48] | sphery: | yeah, IMO, it's only really useful if you want network audio |
| [03:43:59] | rushfan: | anyhow g'night |
| [03:44:04] | sphery: | and are willing to sacrifice response for it |
| [03:44:06] | rushfan: | And thank you |
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| [03:45:26] | wagnerrp: | well chances are, if youre using network audio, youre going to experience other latency anyway |
| [03:45:41] | wagnerrp: | so you dont really have anything to sacrifice |
| [03:45:47] | ** kormoc guesses daum gave up ** | |
| [03:46:51] | wagnerrp: | i need to figure out what to do about 'The Office' |
| [03:47:22] | wagnerrp: | SD lists it as 'The Office', but ttvdb lists it as 'The Office (US)' |
| [03:47:37] | wagnerrp: | so my script has no way of grabbing episode data, and fails horribly |
| [03:48:19] | wagnerrp: | i suppose i could just have season and episode numbers as optional input, and do those manually, as opposed to a user job |
| [03:52:54] | daum: | kormoc, hey sorry, i might not be able to get to it tonight, client just had a huge problem |
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| [04:09:47] | psm321: | sphery: thanks for that mysql corruption link. i'm on gentoo and had international character corruption like a year or so ago when i upgraded and nobody believed me :) |
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| [04:15:26] | psm321: | sphery: though i wish the wiki was more clear on whether the procdeure it gives is still the right thing to do if you've already gone past the r16789 |
| [04:16:49] | wagnerrp: | psm321: i presume youre running trunk? |
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| [04:32:18] | psm321: | wagnerrp: no, 0.21-fixes, from SVN . i used to run trunk but that was strongly discouraged around the time of my last upgrade |
| [04:32:38] | psm321: | r17152 |
| [04:32:54] | psm321: | from 2008-04–27 |
| [04:33:03] | wagnerrp: | that mysql issue should only happen once you make the switch to trunk |
| [04:33:25] | wagnerrp: | it becomes a problem when you try to update the schema |
| [04:33:31] | psm321: | oh no, back to people telling me i'm imagining things :( |
| [04:34:00] | psm321: | all my foreign characters (like upside-down question mark or accented chars) turned into 2 or 3 char garbage when i upgraded to that rev |
| [04:34:14] | psm321: | newly inserted foreign chars are fine tho |
| [04:34:16] | wagnerrp: | you may very well get corrupted characters, but myth will continue to function |
| [04:34:20] | psm321: | right |
| [04:34:39] | wagnerrp: | this is a problem that outright blocks upgrading |
| [04:34:45] | psm321: | but i want to fix those chars :) the wiki isnt clear whether the instructions it provides are what to use for that purpose |
| [04:34:58] | psm321: | hmm the wiki page seemed to indicate that it was for both, but unclear |
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| [04:44:06] | RyeBrye: | ooh. Nice. |
| [04:44:11] | RyeBrye: | HDHR Multirect was merged in today :) |
| [04:44:21] | RyeBrye: | err... multirec that is. |
| [04:50:03] | wagnerrp: | in trunk? |
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| [05:12:21] | wagnerrp: | ill have to try the updated HDHR support |
| [05:12:29] | wagnerrp: | maybe it fixed my freebsd issues |
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| [05:22:05] | sphery: | Depending on the characters, you could see character issues in -fixes and below. Having a misconfigured MySQL server with 0.21-fixes or below would mean that non-latin characters would /never/ work. |
| [05:22:48] | sphery: | That's why the CJK Gentoo crowd kept complaining that Myth was broken and didn't handle non-latin characters properly. |
| [05:23:38] | sphery: | TTBOMK, with latin characters, things should appear to mostly work while the data in the database is slowly corrupted. |
| [05:25:35] | sphery: | psm321: your description, however, sounds like a mixed-corruption issue (i.e. you ran for a while on a misconfigured server and for a while on a properly configured server so some old data was corrupt and new data wasn't or old data that wasn't corrupt was being corrupted by the misconfigured server while new data that was corrupt in the database was being uncorrupted when read through the misconfigured server) |
| [05:25:47] | sphery: | this time, really to bed |
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| [05:42:44] | wagnerrp: | getting a compile error i dont think i should be on current trunk |
| [05:43:05] | wagnerrp: | complaining about a missing 'xvmctextures.h' when i have --disable-xvmc set |
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| [06:13:09] | wagnerrp: | nope, built find the second time after a distclean |
| [06:13:15] | wagnerrp: | guess i just hadnt cleaned it out last time |
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| [06:48:50] | juski: | psm321: I've seen that I think, but AFAIK it was an xmltv grabber issue |
| [06:49:40] | juski: | and as for having mysql misconfigured – it's just the default install I got with ubuntu |
| [06:51:38] | juski: | speaking of which, going into 'watch recordings' seems to be taking longer & longer these days |
| [06:53:09] | juski: | wonder when the last time I optimised my database was |
| [06:53:31] | juski: | maybe I never got around to making that a cron job |
| [07:10:46] | juski: | nope, I never did. Heh |
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| [07:39:47] | alakhia: | when i google "usb-uirt2 receiver" i only find usbuirt.com which is selling a receiver for $55. Is that the only choice i have? |
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| [07:41:09] | juski: | USB remote transceivers other than the UIRT2 are available |
| [07:41:53] | juski: | if you can program a PIC yourself you can even build one yourself :) |
| [07:42:23] | alakhia: | i know nothing about programming a pic |
| [07:43:03] | alakhia: | i don't suppose that is something i can just pick up |
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| [07:43:48] | juski: | if you really need a receiver with built-in blaster then you don't have maany options unless you buy an MCE remote kit |
| [07:44:04] | alakhia: | built-in blaster? what does that mean? |
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| [07:44:42] | juski: | http://users.skynet.be/sky50985/prices.htm |
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| [07:44:58] | juski: | means it's an IR transceiver |
| [07:45:08] | juski: | i.e. it can receive IR AND transmit |
| [07:45:19] | juski: | e.g. for controlling STBs etc |
| [07:45:41] | alakhia: | oh, ok ... nah, i'm fine with just receiving |
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| [07:45:55] | juski: | and you don't want a remote control with it? |
| [07:46:05] | juski: | if you do, just buy an MCE remote kit for about $20 |
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| [07:46:20] | alakhia: | i do ... i was impressed by those gyration ones |
| [07:46:35] | juski: | didn't think they made IR remotes |
| [07:46:56] | juski: | not that the daft accelerometer features gyration remotes have can even be used by MythTV |
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| [07:47:48] | alakhia: | ah ok ... let me search for mce remote kit |
| [07:47:59] | alakhia: | half the battle is just knowing what to ask google |
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| [07:48:39] | juski: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote |
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| [07:50:35] | alakhia: | nice |
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| [07:55:19] | juski: | http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=sear . . . ;x=0&y=0 |
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| [07:55:41] | juski: | think I might look for an auto URL shortening gadget for irssi |
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| [08:01:10] | alakhia: | i was just reading about pinnacle's mce remote kit and how it doesn't work with lirc_mceusb/2 drivers |
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| [08:06:47] | alakhia: | this one is supported by linux mce so i think myth tv should be fine too: |
| [08:06:48] | alakhia: | http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=sear . . . ;x=0&y=0 |
| [08:07:09] | alakhia: | http://www.amazon.com/PC-Remote-Control-Micro . . . ef=de_a_smtd |
| [08:07:15] | alakhia: | opps, try the 2nd one |
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| [08:18:54] | kaeles2: | Am I able to define new actions in the mythtv menu's or do I need to write a shell script and do the exec thing? |
| [08:20:45] | juski: | depends what you want to do |
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| [08:21:45] | kaeles2: | well, for now, I was just wondering if there was an easy way to just "define" the action instead of using the exec thing, or do I need to write a plugin to do somethign like that? |
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| [08:22:04] | juski: | depends what you want to do! |
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| [08:22:38] | kaeles2: | why? |
| [08:23:11] | juski: | what do you want to define a new action for anyway? |
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| [08:24:00] | juski: | anything that isn't already coded into mythtv needs an EXEC to run a command or a script in a menu item |
| [08:24:20] | kaeles2: | well, at some point I'm wanting to write a plugin to auto build a dvd::rip cluster and be able to use that as the transcoder for dvd imports. |
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| [08:24:44] | juski: | so you'd need to make an EXEC menu item to run that |
| [08:24:44] | kaeles2: | or just use the transcode itself and split up the jobs, either way. |
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| [08:25:18] | kaeles2: | Ok, so anything that is not explicitly defined inthe myth code itself is called via exec |
| [08:25:24] | juski: | yup |
| [08:25:30] | kaeles2: | okie doke, thanks |
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| [08:35:56] | kaeles2: | So basically, I'm just wondering where the action is defined so that I can look at it for a starting point, maybe I'm just blind, but I'm not a super linux guru either, just know enough to make stuff work most of the time. |
| [08:36:01] | stuarta: | kaeles2: sounds like you already know the parallizing side |
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| [08:36:40] | stuarta: | the simplest idea is to just use each FE in turn and just tell them to do a transcode |
| [08:36:51] | stuarta: | but i suspect you have grander ideas |
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| [08:37:11] | kaeles2: | Right, the only goofy part I think will be that the plugin may need to create a new user on each frontend and do some sort of ssh agent keygen, so that you can directly call the commands on each frontend |
| [08:37:26] | juski: | kaeles2: you mean you want to know where each <ACTION> is defined? |
| [08:37:29] | kaeles2: | right |
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| [08:38:02] | juski: | dunno what the point is in adding your own hard-coded action but anyway.... |
| [08:38:03] | kaeles2: | I'm pretty sure the dvd import thing is built as a plugin type function, so If i could look at that for a starting point, it would be pretty sweet action |
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| [08:38:17] | stuarta: | it's in mytharchive iirc |
| [08:39:03] | juski: | actions are defined in the main app IIRC |
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| [08:40:17] | kaeles2: | ah, I'll take a look there, at the moment I really should be going to sleep, work has been pushing 75 hours a week, but anyhow, I think I'll try to get some stuff done in this regard this weekend, I've got a few days off, and hopefully can take a look at doing some sort of job split on the input, transcoding something thats an mpeg2 should be pretty easy because avisplit should work on it, but I'm not sure how that would work on the vobs, but IIRC the |
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| [08:40:45] | juski: | myththemedmenu.cpp I think |
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| [08:41:30] | kaeles2: | thats what it looks like juski, the thing in the mytharchive is just an xml with the params for the transcode program |
| [08:42:15] | kaeles2: | well, I'll look into the source |
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| [08:42:33] | kaeles2: | thanks for the help guys, its time for me to crash out, gotta be up in 5 hours :P |
| [08:44:59] | stuarta: | np |
| [08:46:09] | juski: | kaeles2: see programs/mythfrontend/main.cpp too |
| [08:46:38] | juski: | from line 330 or so |
| [08:49:52] | juski: | been a long time since I messed with adding menu items properly :D |
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| [08:51:21] | juski: | need to find my laptop bag so I can bring the lappy to work & look busy while doing something useful :) |
| [08:57:30] | stuarta: | and a usb tv stick? |
| [08:57:46] | ** stuarta remembers juski is better at artwork ** | |
| [08:57:57] | juski: | nah I don't need actual telly signals to do what I need to do |
| [08:58:15] | juski: | besides, virtually no RF gets into the building here |
| [08:59:36] | juski: | the more i look at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/hack.diff the more I'm inclined to think I've just been stupid & not defined something in the right place |
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| [09:07:34] | juski: | hmm. with virtual void CollapseArea(const MythRect &rect); |
| [09:08:15] | juski: | gah, with that ^^ defined where it is in mythuitype.h would it even be able to use m_ChildrenList I wonder? |
| [09:10:32] | juski: | as usual it would really have helped if I knew JACK about these concepts |
| [09:13:09] | juski: | a virtual function is a function member of a class, declared using the 'virtual' keyword. Yeah yeah blah blah waffle wibble wibble |
| [09:13:23] | ** juski goes off to find an ENGLISH definition ** | |
| [09:14:55] | stuarta: | if a function is virtual you can call it on the base class and it'll actually run the one on the object of a derived class |
| [09:15:25] | stuarta: | amongst other things |
| [09:15:40] | juski: | see.. I don't even know what THAT means |
| [09:16:02] | juski: | :) |
| [09:16:10] | stuarta: | it's about replacing functionality in similar object |
| [09:16:47] | juski: | wish c++ was still flavour of the month – at least then I'd be able to find a night class so I could learn this shit properly |
| [09:16:57] | ** stuarta tries to think up a basic example ** | |
| [09:17:32] | stuarta: | i had a reasonable book which was called C++ Primer iirc |
| [09:17:34] | juski: | tried reading books & all of them seem to get carried away with jargon from the off |
| [09:17:42] | stuarta: | it was aimed at C programmers |
| [09:18:06] | stuarta: | i object to the dummies books on principle, but have you looked at any of them? |
| [09:18:16] | juski: | not yet |
| [09:19:19] | juski: | literally none of the locals have had any dummies books about c++ I could look at |
| [09:19:37] | juski: | though seeing as it's only a tenner I'll give it a punt |
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| [09:19:43] | stuarta: | you can sometimes read a chapter at amazon |
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| [09:21:27] | juski: | then again, back to thinking.. can't remember by fscking amazon password. grrr |
| [09:21:35] | juski: | s/by/my |
| [09:22:26] | juski: | should be ok, mythuibuttonlist is a member of mythuitypes & AFAICT the stuff I wanna use isn't exclusive or whatever.. I think |
| [09:22:46] | stuarta: | heh, i recokin i had the 2nd edition |
| [09:23:22] | juski: | hahaha not the wrong password. wrong email address |
| [09:23:36] | stuarta: | one warning |
| [09:23:47] | stuarta: | i haven't bought a c++ for about 15 years ... |
| [09:24:17] | juski: | tried a few & they all literally lead you by the hand gently at first & then jump off cliffs |
| [09:24:37] | stuarta: | unfortunately that's mainly the language |
| [09:25:11] | juski: | they really should use more analogies I think |
| [09:25:22] | stuarta: | you get to a certain point and you have to start on all the OO stuff like inheritance |
| [09:26:07] | juski: | I'm at the point where I can't do any more with coding until I understand things a little better. there's only so much random prodding can do |
| [09:26:24] | juski: | aka hitting it til it compiles |
| [09:27:56] | juski: | wonder if anybody in industry is concerned about the lack of teaching for 'proper' languages these days |
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| [09:32:00] | stuarta: | it's all that .net crap these days |
| [09:34:15] | juski: | back to my thought from the other day about the possibility of shoving some more VERBOSE in to see if the loop is actually iterating through children of the button |
| [09:34:32] | juski: | might not have to waste time understanding that bit yet |
| [09:38:40] | gbee: | OO blew my mind at first, I'd played with lots of procedural stuff as a kid and just couldn't understand what the benefits of OO were, none of the explanations I read managed to shed any light at all |
| [09:39:39] | juski: | I kind of get it but I keep forgetting the names of stuff |
| [09:39:52] | juski: | & what they actually mean in real terms |
| [09:40:14] | gbee: | in hindsight I think it's just one of those things where when working with OO suddenly you can see the light but you can't then explain to someone else :) |
| [09:40:31] | juski: | like the premise of inheritance makes sense & I can see why it's useful but actually applying it to things just blows my brains out |
| [09:42:08] | juski: | gbee: can you take a look at my diff please & see if you can shed any light on why it's not making the button children all the same size? I know the positioning code is all bollocks right now but there's no point in fixing that til the button area can be made to the size of the biggest child item |
| [09:43:35] | juski: | what I already know is if I reset m_Area to a MythRect of (0,0,0,0) it makes the buttons completely invisible – but whether that's because the children are all affected or not I dunno |
| [09:43:38] | gbee: | juski: give me half an hour or so? |
| [09:44:00] | juski: | sure gbee, no rush – I just need a break :) |
| [09:44:17] | juski: | break as in a leg up ;) |
| [09:46:03] | ** gbee grabs a sledgehammer ** | |
| [09:46:17] | gbee: | oh, read that as broken leg, sorry |
| [09:47:41] | juski: | lol |
| [09:48:18] | gbee: | had a quick look, from memory ExpandArea will literally only expand not collapse it |
| [09:49:09] | juski: | yeah so it won't reduce an area |
| [09:49:34] | juski: | so if the button width was 100 & the textual width ends up as 25px the width would stay 100 |
| [09:50:05] | juski: | that I can live with for now |
| [09:51:01] | juski: | once I know the method of CollapseArea is on a good footing I can do all sorts with it |
| [09:51:16] | gbee: | CollapseArea should look at the width/height of each child, find the maximums and then set the parent (button) to those values |
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| [09:52:15] | gbee: | if I remember correctly, the intent is to make the buttonlist button scale to the content? |
| [09:52:50] | juski: | or the way it's currently coded just expand the button size to fit |
| [09:53:29] | juski: | i.e. override the defined area if a child element (e.g. text) is bigger |
| [09:54:03] | juski: | but what seems to happen is that the parent size isn't changing |
| [09:54:40] | gbee: | yeah, you're not changing the parent size right now, you are telling it to expand the children to fit the parent ... so it's back to front |
| [09:55:36] | juski: | SetSize(size.expandedTo(childSize)); |
| [09:56:18] | gbee: | back in a bit, I'll come up with something then |
| [09:56:25] | juski: | ta |
| [10:05:48] | juski: | there's where copy/pasting gets yer. Back to front code |
| [10:06:36] | mzb: | my wooden aerial needs another can of magic black paint |
| [10:07:27] | juski: | why black anyway? wouldn't white be better? |
| [10:07:46] | juski: | thinking if it's left out in the blazing sun all the time... |
| [10:08:53] | mzb: | your confusing it with the pyramids ;) |
| [10:09:06] | mzb: | + nothing magic about white ;) |
| [10:09:24] | juski: | nothing magic about paint,I'd have thought |
| [10:09:33] | mzb: | heh ... sshhhh! |
| [10:09:46] | mzb: | (it's all in the black paint!) |
| [10:10:04] | mzb: | mind you, white might match the new house .... |
| [10:11:25] | mzb: | (trying to con SWMBO that instead of a white picket fence she'll be wanting a "white vertical weatherboard fence" to match the house ... don't think she's going to fall for it though ;)) |
| [10:16:02] | juski: | The $99 frontend is here thread... how many replies to it when all somebody needed say was "yes, it's too good to be true" |
| [10:17:55] | mzb: | sounds a bit dear ;) |
| [10:19:57] | mzb: | oh ... NEW! and $US ... probably a completely different story |
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| [11:31:32] | xmasterx: | hello :) ... I want to watch live tv over xbmc using mythtv ... I'm using xbmc native support of mythtv ... but instead of video I see just green screen .. other videos in xbmc works fine .. and also watching tv in mythtv frontend works well... I found on one forum that this is caused by Rtjpeg encoding and can be fixed by changing encoding to mpeg4 ... where can I change encoding ? ... I have Tv @nywhere master ... and ubuntu 9.04 .. |
| [11:32:44] | gbee: | Setup > TV Settings > Recording Profiles |
| [11:33:13] | gbee: | but if xbmc can't play RTJpeg then they need to fix that |
| [11:33:32] | juski: | I thought they did already |
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| [11:34:46] | gbee: | or just get yourself a better card (not a crappy framegrabber) |
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| [11:35:54] | xmasterx: | yeah It's working now ... thx :) |
| [11:36:10] | juski: | hrmph. even the posh booze shop in Stockton Heath didn't have any Cachaca. Very poor show |
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| [11:41:50] | juski: | xbmc source references rtjpeg headers, so maybe... they've just not got around to making it work yet |
| [11:42:35] | juski: | doubt they'd be in any rush to be honest |
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| [11:48:48] | juski: | nope, apparently rtjpeg *should* work. native support for .nuv has been there a while, it seems |
| [11:50:48] | juski: | btw gbee now I'm aware my awful code is topsy turvy it should give me more of a handle on what I should be doing. I'll have another stab at it tonight & see where I get with it. Haven't quite figured out how to rejig the button position calculation code yet but it'll involve a bit of a rip out |
| [11:51:35] | juski: | cos you can't calculate the number of visible items without knowing what size they all are first ;) |
| [11:52:49] | gbee: | oh yeah, I said I'd look at that ... my mind wandered |
| [11:53:03] | juski: | though that might tie up with being able to bring back a limit to the number of visible items like in the olden days |
| [11:53:19] | juski: | and that, tied in with centreing/balancing might be quite nice to have |
| [11:55:29] | juski: | gbee: well now I know where I went wrong I might be able to put it right – worth having a go & thanks for looking at it again :) |
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| [12:01:45] | gbee: | I'm not much use at the moment, haven't slept properly this week due to the heat and that's caught up with me today |
| [12:05:43] | juski: | know the feeling |
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| [12:32:16] | kaeles2: | hey juski, these books by bruce eckel are free and a pretty good way to learn OO and cpp at the same time. http://mindview.net/Books/TICPP/ThinkingInCPP2e.html |
| [12:32:30] | kaeles2: | oh, and free |
| [12:34:19] | juski: | think I've been recommended them before but prefer printed books |
| [12:35:02] | kaeles2: | understandable |
| [12:35:31] | juski: | wonder if our jazzy laser at work can collate that many pages at a time :D |
| [12:36:34] | AndyCap: | or some print on demand shop? |
| [12:36:48] | juski: | duh never thought of that |
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| [12:39:41] | juski: | heh planetpdf have it to buy in hard copy already |
| [12:40:00] | juski: | 40 dowwar?! |
| [12:40:49] | juski: | 878 pages though. hardly bedtime reading. unless you *want* your marriage to fail |
| [12:41:17] | AndyCap: | hehe. seems it is approx 40 dullars on amazon.com too. or used. |
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| [12:44:51] | kaeles: | WALL OF TEXT |
| [12:44:51] | kaeles: | lol |
| [12:45:32] | juski: | I'll have a read of the PDF, see how I go & if I think I can benefit I'll buy it in tree form |
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| [12:46:54] | kaeles: | did my giant blob of text even display? |
| [12:48:13] | xmasterx: | hello again :) .. I have another little problem ... It's sound ... I have Tv@nywhere master .. so I must connect my sound card and tv card by cable ... I tried to directly connect TV tuner with MIC in ... but I was listening to live sound from tuner and video from mythtv ... so a/v sync was terrible :D ... how can I configure mythtv to take audio from line in ? ;) ... my os: ubuntu 9.04 :) |
| [12:50:01] | juski: | kaeles: kaeles2 [n=Kaeles@66.137.160.82] has quit [Excess Flood] |
| [12:50:07] | kaeles: | aww |
| [12:50:22] | kaeles: | the biggest thing about OO is learning to shift your thinking from functions to "methods", so instead of thinking, how do I write a function to display a rectangle on the screen, you think, what would draw a rectangle on the screen, and how would it do it, so you have instead of a function drawRect(myDimensions), you get something like shapeDrawer::drawRect(myDimensions) |
| [12:50:35] | kaeles: | so to look at inheritance, you just change the function to be shapeDrawer::drawShape(myShape) and you have a shape class, and you can inherit fromt that rect, circle, triangle shapes, and pass any of those into the shapeDrawer::drawShape(myShape) function, inside the drawShape function you could do something like myShape::draw(), and that would attempt to call the "base class" or shapes draw method, |
| [12:50:42] | juski: | xmasterx: shoulda read the official mythtvc docs which tell you how to set up audio :) |
| [12:50:52] | kaeles: | but since its the base class and that is defined as a virtual, it looks up in the vtable the correct draw method for the class type you passed in. But, typically you want to favor composition over inheritance, so you could also do something like have a "behavior" class, so if I have a duck class, and I want it to quack, I add a "behavior" class to it called quacker, and tell quacker to quack for the duck. It seems kinda silly like this, but once you |
| [12:51:00] | kaeles: | You should try to checkout "Head First Design Patterns" as well once you are used to OO because there are some shiney ass things you can do with it, like Factory Factories that you can auto register class types and all that jazz to so that you only have to define stuff once and can just create it over and over. |
| [12:51:02] | kaeles: | There |
| [12:51:12] | kaeles: | anyways, time for work |
| [12:53:01] | juski: | ooo I think I'm going to like this book. nice analogies |
| [12:53:16] | kaeles: | told you |
| [12:53:17] | kaeles: | :) |
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| [13:31:00] | cityLights1: | should the primary backend wake-up the secondry when a conflict occours |
| [13:31:01] | cityLights1: | ? |
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| [13:48:25] | juski: | roflmao. Universal acquires rights to make a movie from Atari's 'Asteroids' |
| [13:50:41] | cityLights1: | sphery: ping? |
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| [14:01:39] | cityLights1: | hi gre |
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| [14:01:58] | cityLights1: | greg: should the primary backend wake-up the secondry when a conflict occour? |
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| [14:16:05] | sphery: | cityLights1: regarding the master backend waking remote backends, that's only possible with trunk (and only after configuring it to do so). In -fixes it can't. |
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| [14:18:07] | wagnerrp: | i knew that was in the works, didnt know it was functional yet |
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| [14:18:37] | cityLights1: | min |
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| [14:21:36] | sphery: | Yeah, when I saw it go in, I thought it was cool. Then I started to realize all the ways that WOL can fail and decided that the extra $10/mo for power for running my 2nd backend is worth it for the reliability. |
| [14:24:15] | sphery: | (The majority of my NICs--even integrated NICs--will only do WOL if there has been no power failure since they were shut down--they need a tiny amount of power to keep in the WOL-capable state. Once there's a power blink, WOL won't work for that system. If, however, I just tell my system to run 24/7 and have it reboot on power restore, all is good.) |
| [14:24:44] | wagnerrp: | or... just have it boot on power loss |
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| [14:29:20] | sphery: | hmmm.... that might work |
| [14:29:35] | wagnerrp: | i mean you already have it set up that way |
| [14:29:37] | sphery: | was thinking that boot on power restore only worked if it were on when power was lost |
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| [14:29:48] | sphery: | I'll have to test. |
| [14:29:57] | wagnerrp: | theres usually on, off, and last state |
| [14:30:15] | wagnerrp: | obviously 'last state' would turn off, but 'on' should turn on |
| [14:31:03] | sphery: | So, newegg has the HDHR on sale for an extra $10 off (and free shipping) with promo code EMCLVLN43 (for $148.99) for anyone looking to buy an HDHomerun – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815327005 |
| [14:31:22] | sphery: | yeah, makes sense |
| [14:32:46] | wagnerrp: | well whatever the library update on the HDHR did, it fixed my problems |
| [14:32:58] | wagnerrp: | i can now use it on my freebsd MBE |
| [14:33:43] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I am having a problem with your patch "pyth.update3.patch" when trying use "getRecordings". Please see the details at: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1481902 |
| [14:34:36] | juski: | oh no now all the 'kewl' kidz will want freebsd backends |
| [14:34:50] | juski: | all virtual, of course (naturally) |
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| [14:39:33] | wagnerrp: | oh no! |
| [14:39:46] | wagnerrp: | now that i wrote something, i have to support it |
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| [14:41:31] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: yeah, i dont know what causes that, i was running into that intermittently too |
| [14:41:52] | wagnerrp: | if you try ".backendCommand('GET_RECORDINGS')", it wont work either |
| [14:42:48] | RDV_Linux: | It is odd as the routine "getUpcomingRecordings" never has that problem. |
| [14:43:08] | wagnerrp: | it would be QUERY_RECORDINGS, rather |
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| [14:44:46] | RDV_Linux: | Do you know why the db access method in MythVideo.py and MythTV.py are so different? |
| [14:45:19] | wagnerrp: | MythTV accesses the backend, MythVideo accesses the database |
| [14:45:27] | wagnerrp: | two completely different functions |
| [14:45:38] | wagnerrp: | one mythproto, one mysql |
| [14:46:28] | GreyFoxx: | hmmmm wonder if I should backport 20779 to -fixes |
| [14:46:32] | RDV_Linux: | For me MythVideo.py has no unicode string issues while MythTV.py is not returning the strings as they are now in trunk db scheme. That seems wrong. |
| [14:46:35] | GreyFoxx: | It's trivial enough |
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| [14:48:06] | jams: | GreyFoxx- if it's trivial then it seems like a good idea |
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| [14:48:32] | jams: | does that mean you have a popcorn hour |
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| [14:49:49] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, got one for my mother in law who feeds off my setup here(she lives next door) |
| [14:50:03] | GreyFoxx: | and it was one of the 2 problems I ran into with it |
| [14:50:24] | jams: | egads mother in law next door |
| [14:50:37] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [14:50:38] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [14:50:54] | jams: | hope that arrangement is working out |
| [14:51:10] | GreyFoxx: | yeah she's pretty cool. We get along really well |
| [14:51:21] | jams: | thats either great or a disaster |
| [14:51:25] | jams: | waiting to happen |
| [14:51:25] | GreyFoxx: | her and I went to see Star Trek , just our selves :) |
| [14:51:35] | jams: | haha thats cool |
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| [14:51:57] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: i can add a 'try' into backendCommand that when it times out, it just returns whatever it has accumulated so far |
| [14:52:08] | wagnerrp: | but i imagine that would open up all new problems |
| [14:52:23] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm... wonder if I have a checkout of -fixes here |
| [14:53:07] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Good luck fixing this issue. |
| [14:53:30] | wagnerrp: | anyway, like i said... one is direct access to the database, the other is processed data coming through the backend |
| [14:53:51] | wagnerrp: | if the backend sends garbled former-unicode characters, thats what we get |
| [14:54:21] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what its actually sending |
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| [14:55:58] | RDV_Linux: | I understand now. The issue is that you need to force each string to be encoded 'utf8' was retrieved. I do not know if anything is lost when the original data field was utf8 then you do a utf8->ascii->utf8. |
| [14:56:41] | RDV_Linux: | Until this is fixed in the back end I will continue to use my own direct DB calls. |
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| [15:00:06] | wagnerrp: | heh... the backend code for 'HandleQueryRecordings' is almost 700 lines |
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| [15:02:10] | RDV_Linux: | Seems excessive, but I have no clue on what it may be doing. Also thanks for looking into this matter and answering my questions. |
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| [15:07:20] | wagnerrp: | well default socket timeout is 10 seconds, i wonder if thats just not enough time for the backend to process the response |
| [15:08:00] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I doubt it as the other calls are not timing out. |
| [15:08:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, and theres no system load during the call |
| [15:08:35] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Also my front and back ends are on the same machine an overclocked quad, |
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| [15:29:49] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: found the problem (it was my fault) |
| [15:30:26] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Congrats:) |
| [15:30:58] | RDV_Linux: | I can retest for you when you have submitted the updated patch. |
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| [15:31:14] | wagnerrp: | give me a second to upload |
| [15:31:28] | wagnerrp: | turns out it had never worked, because 'query_recordings' is not the complete command |
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| [15:43:52] | tmkt: | finally solved a huge sound problem i was having with mythtv |
| [15:44:03] | tmkt: | could barely hear the voices of people on tv recordings |
| [15:44:09] | tmkt: | or anything else i listened to |
| [15:44:24] | tmkt: | after i installed mythbuntu 9.04 |
| [15:45:03] | tmkt: | had to do with an 18 month old kid playing with my receiver, and turning off my 2 front left/right speakers |
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| [15:45:54] | tmkt: | after hours of researching upmixing, stereo to 5.1, fidling with settings |
| [15:46:08] | tmkt: | one stupid button on the receiver, and all fixed again |
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| [15:46:38] | bobbob1016: | Is it possible to install .22 alongside .21? I want to play with terra, and the new interface. |
| [15:47:46] | tmkt: | that would be nice |
| [15:47:52] | wagnerrp: | its possible, but not recommended |
| [15:48:05] | wagnerrp: | you have to install them in isolated paths |
| [15:48:21] | wagnerrp: | and then play games with the PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to get them to load properly |
| [15:48:58] | bobbob1016: | I saw the roadmap, and it seems like .22 is a ways off still, so maybe I'll wait then. I just like the eye-candy that .22 has, guess I'll wait. |
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| [15:50:02] | bobbob1016: | Yes that was redundant. |
| [15:50:08] | wagnerrp: | you do understand that 0.21 and trunk need independent databases, right? |
| [15:50:37] | wagnerrp: | running trunk will update your database schema, and that is not trivially reversible |
| [15:50:52] | bobbob1016: | I could see why, but I didn't know that. I just said I'd wait though, so no big deal. |
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| [16:05:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: re: #6678 , QUERY_RECORDINGS takes a type parameter, where type can be Recording (shows that are /currently/ recording), or Play (all recorded shows in ascending order), or Delete (all recorded shows in descending order). I think you want either Play or Delete. |
| [16:05:44] | sphery: | (I know, it's completely non-intuitive, but...) |
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| [16:10:42] | gnome42: | sphery: I only peeked in that "LiveTV conflicts with scheduled recording – despite ..." thread and was wondering if they are aware of the "Allow live TV to move scheduled shows" option. |
| [16:11:05] | sphery: | I haven't mentioned it... It's trunk only, right? |
| [16:11:30] | sphery: | I considered mentioning it, but didn't know a lot about it. |
| [16:11:50] | sphery: | Guess it's also in -fixes. |
| [16:11:56] | gnome42: | Oh, is it? I've completely lost track of -fixes. TV Settings -> General bottom of first page. |
| [16:12:16] | sid3windr: | it is in fixes at least |
| [16:12:20] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [16:12:43] | gnome42: | let me explain the intentions and behaviour with that option. :) |
| [16:12:53] | sphery: | I'll mention it. |
| [16:13:53] | sphery: | A full description would be good, though--as I think a lot of people will misunderstand it. |
| [16:13:57] | sphery: | (and its limitations) |
| [16:14:56] | gnome42: | It is meant to "preserve" the livetv session if it's possible. Possible means that the scheduled recording can be moved to another encoder with out moving anything else. |
| [16:16:15] | sphery: | Heh, its name is actually /very/ descriptive of its purpose--LiveTVPriority... Tries to make LiveTV a priority over scheduled recordings. |
| [16:16:31] | gnome42: | So it will only move a scheduled recording if there is no trickle down effect. ie. it is not a full reschedule. |
| [16:18:13] | gnome42: | for example... watching livetv at 6:58, scheduled show starts at 7:00 ... |
| [16:18:14] | JYA: | What I should have explained more clearly in this thread, is that despite having "Allow liveTV to move recording .." and "Avoid conflicts" ... many times, even though all the encoder being available , I get a prompt about asking if I want to exit liveTV, watch the recordings, or record later |
| [16:18:40] | sphery: | I just mentioned it--I'm not comfortable going into details since I haven't played with it or seen the code for it. |
| [16:18:50] | JYA: | which I don't believe is the right behaviour according to your explanations |
| [16:19:17] | sphery: | I have no idea what happens when both are enabled... |
| [16:19:39] | JYA: | trust me, I have tried all combinations of those :) |
| [16:20:03] | sphery: | don't know if that changes things, but I know without "Allow live TV to move..." the "Avoid conflicts..." will pick the least-preferred tuner. |
| [16:20:27] | sphery: | If you have input priorities specified, though, things get /much/ more complex (and you could actually mess up "Avoid conflicts...") |
| [16:20:46] | JYA: | I have 5 DVB-T recorder, all with the same priority, so I'm not sure how it decides whch one has a lesser priority |
| [16:21:03] | gnome42: | JYA, if that option is enabled AND the scheduled recording could have been moved to another encoder without impacting anything. Then there could be a bug. |
| [16:21:10] | JYA: | but if I start watching liveTV and there are no recordings going on, it always pick up the first one |
| [16:22:38] | sphery: | JYA: cardinputid specifies most-preferred (in the absence of explicit input priorities) |
| [16:23:07] | JYA: | actually, I remember backporting a changeset, that improved greatly the problem compare to stock 0.21-fixes)... trying to find it |
| [16:23:57] | JYA: | the changeset allowing you to change channels across encoders |
| [16:24:16] | sphery: | if it's picking a more-preferred input even with "Avoid conflicts..." there's definitely a problem. Can you pastebin the output of: select cardinputid, cardid, inputname, recpriority from cardinput; |
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| [16:25:41] | gnome42: | JYA, sphery: I'm into putting a little bit of effort into the "Allow live TV to move scheduled shows" option. Well to find out if it broken. :) |
| [16:25:52] | JYA: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1482041 |
| [16:25:55] | gnome42: | but it's separate from that other option. |
| [16:27:11] | JYA: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19483 |
| [16:27:38] | JYA: | that's the one, I believe since I applied that changeset to 0.21, the issue has occurred far less than before |
| [16:28:23] | JYA: | I may be wrong however, as looking at it, I can't see much related to the scheduler |
| [16:28:42] | sphery: | JYA: so, your cardinputid's specify that card 5 has the most-preferred input and then card 1, 2, 3, 4. So, recodings should always try to use card 5, then 1, 2, 3, 4. |
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| [16:29:15] | sphery: | LiveTV--with "Avoid conflicts..." Should always try to use card 4, then (the 2nd concurrent LiveTV session) should use 3, then 2, then 1, then 5 |
| [16:29:27] | JYA: | watching livetv now (wimbledon, here is what I get |
| [16:29:39] | gnome42: | yeah, different issues. Let me know if you are into digging into the problem with "Allow live TV to move ..." option. |
| [16:29:51] | JYA: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1482047 |
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| [16:30:24] | JYA: | as you can see, it is on encoder 1 |
| [16:33:03] | sphery: | I haven't tested it with trunk, so it's quite possible it's broken in trunk |
| [16:33:13] | sphery: | I /know/ it works right in -fixes, though. |
| [16:33:15] | JYA: | let me check what settings I have checked |
| [16:33:20] | JYA: | this is fixes... |
| [16:33:39] | JYA: | because that issues keep bugging me, I keep trying different settings |
| [16:34:04] | JYA: | as it doesn't happen all the time, |
| [16:35:20] | sphery: | so, since you have "alternate" mappings of cardid/cardinputid, it's important to note that "encoder" means cardid in the backend status page. |
| [16:35:45] | JYA: | allright |
| [16:35:45] | sphery: | so, using encoder 1 means it's using cardinputid 2 |
| [16:35:59] | sphery: | which is very strange (as that's not the highest or lowest) |
| [16:36:00] | gnome42: | Avoid conflicts ... is about what encoder livetv starts on. Allow live TV to move ... is about moving scheduled recording to different cards to allow a livetv session to continue. |
| [16:36:03] | sphery: | do you have multiple backends? |
| [16:36:05] | JYA: | currently I have "Avoid conflicts between liveTV and scheduled shows" unselected |
| [16:36:16] | JYA: | and Allow live TV to move scheduled shows selected |
| [16:36:33] | gnome42: | So, you guys are barking up da wrong tree. :)) |
| [16:36:45] | sphery: | with multiple backends--and card 1 on the local system, but card 5 on a remote system--it should do exactly what it's doing |
| [16:36:50] | sphery: | (without "Avoid ..." |
| [16:36:59] | JYA: | looks like it :) but again, I've played with those very recently as it keeps happening |
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| [16:37:53] | JYA: | is that setting specific to a frontend? or it's a global option ? |
| [16:38:00] | sphery: | global |
| [16:38:17] | JYA: | ok, because here I was looking at my macos frontend |
| [16:38:23] | JYA: | i use it rarely |
| [16:39:11] | JYA: | oh!, I remember why I had unchecked the "Avoid Conflicts" ... |
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| [16:39:56] | JYA: | I used to have an IPTV encoder, and if checked it would always go to that encoder... and I never want to start with IPTV |
| [16:40:24] | Shadow__X: | hey wagnerrp is your tf2 server up |
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| [16:41:18] | JYA: | but just reading the explanation for "Allow live TV to move scheduled shows" : If enabled, scheduled recordings will be moved to other cards (where possible) |
| [16:41:34] | JYA: | why would it prompt me to exit liveTV when there are other free tuners ? |
| [16:41:46] | gnome42: | JYA are you ignoring me? |
| [16:42:08] | JYA: | gnome42: not at all, why would you say that ? |
| [16:43:05] | gnome42: | because I've been trying to get you onto "Allow live TV to move scheduled show" IS the problem for a few minutes :) |
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| [16:43:30] | JYA: | ROFL |
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| [16:43:50] | JYA: | re-reading your previous posts |
| [16:44:35] | JYA: | "is about moving scheduled recording to different cards to allow a livetv session to continue." |
| [16:44:56] | JYA: | what can I do to help then ? :) |
| [16:45:04] | gnome42: | yepper! So, lets find out if it's busted? |
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| [16:45:35] | gnome42: | k, cool. Let me finish explaining how it's supposed to work first. |
| [16:45:42] | JYA: | was working on something else right now (supporting nvidia dynamic view refresh rates) ... |
| [16:46:32] | JYA: | found a bug in nvidia-settings too, |
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| [16:46:46] | gnome42: | for example... watching livetv at 6:58, scheduled show starts at 7:00 ... |
| [16:47:36] | gnome42: | at 6:59 the "preserve livetv" schedule will occur. ie. 1 minute before the scheduled recording starts. |
| [16:48:04] | JYA: | allright, i just created a manual schedule, record one minute at 2:50 (it's 2:47 right now) |
| [16:48:33] | gnome42: | it's not a full schedule, we don't want to impact any scheduled recordings in order to preserve livetv. |
| [16:48:55] | JYA: | i only created the schedule to go for 1 minute |
| [16:48:55] | gnome42: | ie. no trickle down effect allowed. |
| [16:49:48] | JYA: | and at that time of the night, on the other channels all there are ae commercial stuff trying to sell you a goduster, or a mobile sms get a song for $15 a week |
| [16:50:24] | JYA: | recording have started on encoder 2 as expected |
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| [16:50:56] | gnome42: | If there is another non-conflicting encoder available to record scheduled recording then the scheduler should move the scheduled recording to that encoder and the livetv session should continue and not see the OSD prompt. |
| [16:51:44] | JYA: | another thing I've noticed, even though it states "This recording will end at 2:51 AM", that recording will go on for quite a while |
| [16:52:04] | sid3windr: | do you have overtime recording set? |
| [16:52:23] | sid3windr: | it does indeed say it will end at $X, but I have 10min of overtime set so it actually only ends at $X+10min |
| [16:52:31] | JYA: | yes, but shouldn't it indicates that the recording ends later then? |
| [16:52:40] | sid3windr: | during those 10min it nicely keeps saying that it "will end at" .. while that time has already passed ;) |
| [16:52:54] | JYA: | i see... |
| [16:53:06] | sid3windr: | it's kind of a bug I guess |
| [16:53:09] | sid3windr: | not sure if one is open for that |
| [16:53:22] | sid3windr: | I bet someone will close it as fwap :p |
| [16:53:50] | JYA: | interestingly, when I record something on the h264 IPTV encoder, a 5 minutes program will be recorded for 20 minutes (overtime is set at 5) |
| [16:54:14] | gnome42: | JYA: so you did your test recording. Did the "Allow live TV to move .." option work? |
| [16:54:35] | JYA: | it did... as I mentioned earlier, it doesn't always occur. |
| [16:54:50] | JYA: | happened yesterday though |
| [16:55:33] | gnome42: | So the scheduled recording was moved to a different card and your livetv session went on ok? |
| [16:55:41] | JYA: | it did |
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| [16:57:33] | gnome42: | ok, then it basically works for you then. However, the schedule is done 1 minute before the scheduled recording starts so if you change channels in that 1 minute then it won't work. |
| [16:58:21] | JYA: | maybe that's what is happening |
| [16:58:28] | gnome42: | It is a best effort thing, there is no guarantee. |
| [16:58:49] | JYA: | i will pay closer attention the next time it's happening |
| [16:59:04] | sphery: | JYA: which kind of "overtime recording"? The status /only/ says what the scheduler knows and the "Time to record past end of show (in seconds)" global setting (versus the per-schedule end late) is /not/ seen by the scheduler |
| [16:59:48] | gnome42: | The scheduler takes a bunch of seconds to run and it can't read your mind either. At 6:59, it doesn't know if you are finishing a show or preparing to watch the upcoming show or are just in livetv for a quick check. |
| [17:00:05] | JYA: | I used the "manual recording schedule" in mythweb, not extra time was entered |
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| [17:00:39] | JYA: | e.g. "end late" is empty |
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| [17:01:04] | sphery: | sounds very much like that option could easily be broken by users who don't understand it--you watch a LiveTV show until it ends (near the top of the hour), then start surfing to see what else is on... Since you're doing that within the 1-minute, it breaks the option. |
| [17:01:31] | sphery: | Users would definitely need to know that they should use browse mode to surf when within that 1-minute of normal recording start times |
| [17:01:31] | gnome42: | yeah, best effort only. |
| [17:02:20] | sphery: | JYA: yeah, the global over-record is not scheduled, so it's not mentioned in the status--because Myth does /not/ promise that it will occur |
| [17:02:33] | gbee: | meh, lets just drop livetv, would free up so much developer time to work on things that really matter |
| [17:02:37] | JYA: | how do you expect user to know that? especially when programs always run late ... it's not reasonable for a user to understand the inner logic and the limitation of it |
| [17:02:40] | sphery: | gbee: +1 |
| [17:03:05] | JYA: | you would loose *a lot* of users ... |
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| [17:03:15] | sphery: | JYA: to know which? that the global over-record is not guaranteed? |
| [17:03:36] | sphery: | or to know to use browse mode when within the last minute of a show? |
| [17:03:50] | JYA: | the later |
| [17:06:54] | sphery: | well, as we're just figuring out the latter, probably /very/ few users knew it. :) |
| [17:07:07] | sphery: | So, now it's just a matter of educating them/documenting it. |
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| [17:10:25] | gbee: | I have to be careful how I say this, but more users doesn't help to improve a product, more developers would – despite years of complaints about livetv bugs and behaviour I can count on one hand the number of people who have been willing to step forward to work on the livetv code ... simply put, if it were really that popular I'd have expected more of an effort |
| [17:11:38] | gbee: | now we'll all grateful to gnome42 for taking on some of this work and hopefully that will mean we don't have to listen to so many complaints in future, but I know I'm not the only one who thinks that maintaining livetv is more trouble than it's worth |
| [17:11:39] | JYA: | maybe the people more likely to use liveTV aren't developers ... |
| [17:11:51] | gnome42: | It does seem to bring about a helluva lot of griping :) |
| [17:11:54] | sphery: | and, really--other than the work Chutt did to convert LiveTV to it's current form--more work has been done on LiveTV in the past few months than in the past few years--thanks to gnome42 . |
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| [17:13:11] | JYA: | thank you gnome42 ! |
| [17:13:13] | gbee: | lots of contributors aren't developers, they just took the time to learn to programme because having a feature interested them enough, can't think of many (any) examples where that's beent he case for livetv in recent times |
| [17:13:14] | sphery: | gnome42: btw, some of us--even though we may not use LiveTV, ourselves--very much appreciate the effort you've put into fixing up LiveTV (as users will always use it and it's nice to fix some of its problems so there are fewer complaints) |
| [17:13:41] | gnome42: | I think it will never be good enough ... well until the 10 foot UI, telepathic interface is implemented. :P |
| [17:14:31] | gnome42: | sphery: thanks, yeah. I was hoping it would reduce the load on the dev team. |
| [17:15:09] | sphery: | well, I expect it to reduce the load on this non-dev :) |
| [17:15:11] | meshe: | gnome42: are you working on that interface yet gnome42? ;) |
| [17:15:57] | gnome42: | meshe: gbee still won't even tell me what it is!? :) |
| [17:16:58] | JYA: | what are the new options of LiveTV in trunk not found in fixes? |
| [17:17:27] | gnome42: | sphery: yeah, you do a tonne of user support. Thanks for that too! |
| [17:18:53] | ** gbee wakes from his stupor, huh? ** | |
| [17:19:09] | gnome42: | gbee: just joking :) |
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| [17:21:56] | meshe: | once you guys have the libraries, I work on an iPhone port of the 10ft UI telepatic interface ;) |
| [17:22:40] | meshe: | s/I/I'll/ |
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| [17:29:55] | sphery: | meshe: Heh, 10ft UI on a 2.5" (touch) screen... Does that involve a long stick with a telescope on one end and a silicone finger on the other? |
| [17:30:12] | meshe: | sphery: he said telepathic |
| [17:30:19] | meshe: | :) |
| [17:31:19] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [17:31:52] | meshe: | beam the shows right into your head :) |
| [17:32:24] | sphery: | wonder if AT&T charges extra for telepathic minutes... |
| [17:32:37] | meshe: | i'm sure they'd figure a way out |
| [17:33:24] | meshe: | i paid T-Mo $1/MB on my iPhone yesterday |
| [17:33:30] | sphery: | wow... |
| [17:33:38] | sphery: | crossed the border? |
| [17:33:45] | meshe: | yeah, roaming prices suck |
| [17:33:59] | sphery: | especially int'l roaming :( |
| [17:34:16] | meshe: | actually, i had my iPhone and a blackberry with me, the iPhone hit T-Mo, the blackberry hit AT&T |
| [17:35:23] | sid3windr: | ooh $1/MB |
| [17:35:33] | sid3windr: | I wonder where I would have go to to get such a good price :/ |
| [17:36:00] | meshe: | I had to add a $10/mo package to my dataplan to drop it to that, it's regularly $6 |
| [17:36:27] | sphery: | pays for itself in 2MB |
| [17:36:34] | meshe: | yup |
| [17:37:12] | meshe: | and i needed google maps while i was there, so it probably already paid for itself |
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| [17:42:08] | cityLights1: | sphery: I forgot to thank you |
| [17:42:36] | cityLights1: | so infact I can patch 0.21 fixes to wake the backends on need |
| [17:43:03] | cityLights1: | leaving the second pc on, heets-up the living room |
| [17:43:20] | tmkt: | what language is mythtv in? |
| [17:43:40] | GreyFoxx: | Mostly c++ |
| [17:43:52] | GreyFoxx: | but the ffmpeg libraries are c/asm |
| [17:44:40] | cityLights1: | sphery: thnaks for the hdhomerun link |
| [17:44:47] | cityLights1: | I didnt know about it |
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| [17:45:06] | cityLights1: | is there like a weekly news in the myth community? |
| [17:46:53] | GreyFoxx: | I think there are a few blog like sites that do that sort of thing |
| [17:46:58] | GreyFoxx: | I've seen them over the years |
| [17:47:07] | GreyFoxx: | don't remember any of their names though |
| [17:47:12] | GreyFoxx: | mythtvnews.com or some such ? |
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| [17:48:14] | cityLights1: | ha? |
| [17:49:26] | cityLights1: | yet a pci card would be cheapper and "eat" less power – I think |
| [17:49:36] | sphery: | cityLights1: you backported the patches? |
| [17:49:54] | cityLights1: | I am just suggesting |
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| [17:50:51] | cityLights1: | I got home work at data structures first – when I need to insert data at O(log n) and pull data at O(1) |
| [17:52:08] | cityLights1: | see mythtv is used all over the world, some places are hotter (desert) some pay more for electricity |
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| [17:52:43] | Dagmar: | Is there a point? |
| [17:53:08] | cityLights1: | makes sense to backport wake secondary backends in 0.21 |
| [17:53:14] | Dagmar: | Some places pay more for strawberries, and some have a shortage of fresh chum. |
| [17:53:31] | cityLights1: | well, nevermind |
| [17:53:33] | Dagmar: | cityLights1: You forget that this is still 0.x |
| [17:54:13] | Dagmar: | ...not that I'm making an excuse for them or anything, but that somewhat eliminates the argument that devs should do something because it might be costing edge-case users a few pennies |
| [17:54:37] | Dagmar: | The primary focus should be on making the thing work, not backporting fixes that will reach those people eventually |
| [17:54:56] | cityLights1: | ok, I thought the master allready has the option to execute a command |
| [17:55:05] | cityLights1: | when it faces a conflict |
| [17:55:40] | laga: | cityLights1: i suggest an array of size 1 for your homework. |
| [17:55:48] | cityLights1: | I agree with that argument Dagmar |
| [17:56:11] | Dagmar: | I'm with Laga about that btw |
| [17:56:17] | cityLights1: | laga: its a bit more comlex , I am affraid |
| [17:56:29] | cityLights1: | I need to build two heaps |
| [17:56:34] | cityLights1: | a mx heap and min |
| [17:56:46] | Dagmar: | Seems like you've been handed a problem along the lines of "Solve this in less than np time" |
| [17:56:59] | cityLights1: | no |
| [17:57:08] | cityLights1: | its not that complex |
| [17:57:35] | cityLights1: | but some students spent 4hr figuring out this data structere... |
| [17:57:53] | Dagmar: | Whoa |
| [17:57:54] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [17:58:04] | Dagmar: | Are any of those students cute? |
| [17:58:14] | Dagmar: | This could be a good opportunity to do some tutoring |
| [17:58:19] | cityLights1: | any good irc channels to seek data stucture help? |
| [17:58:37] | jams: | if there are it's not this one |
| [17:58:39] | laga: | cityLights1: read cormen. |
| [17:58:41] | cityLights1: | hmmm, already taken..... |
| [17:58:56] | cityLights1: | ya coreman |
| [17:59:06] | laga: | no, cormen. :) |
| [17:59:14] | cityLights1: | he is too "stiff" imho |
| [17:59:27] | Dagmar: | http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~vernon/cs367/notes/10.23TREE.html |
| [17:59:40] | laga: | cityLights1: then use some other book ;) |
| [17:59:55] | laga: | cityLights1: do you need extraction of the first elment in O(1) or of any element? |
| [17:59:56] | wagnerrp: | bah... i just updated my frontends to 20744 instead of 20774 |
| [17:59:57] | ** Dagmar does the "Google Is Your Friend (Extended Remix)" dance ** | |
| [18:00:04] | wagnerrp: | theyre split across schema updates |
| [18:00:22] | Dagmar: | "We can guarantee O(log N) time for all three methods by using a balanced tree" |
| [18:00:28] | wagnerrp: | google sucks, real men use Bing! |
| [18:00:43] | Dagmar: | Your "real men" are polishing each other's maypoles |
| [18:00:44] | cityLights1: | sorry laga, I dont want to get baned here for speaking of other issues |
| [18:01:01] | cityLights1: | bing? |
| [18:01:03] | cityLights1: | hmm |
| [18:01:17] | Dagmar: | It's a search engine Microsoft is trying to get people to use |
| [18:01:20] | wagnerrp: | msn search got renamed to bing |
| [18:01:22] | laga: | cityLights1: good thing, 'cause i sat an exam about this crap on tuesday and i'd rather forget about it ;) |
| [18:01:22] | Dagmar: | It's also pretty retarded. |
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| [18:01:39] | cityLights1: | :-) |
| [18:01:42] | wagnerrp: | theyre doing some ad campaign about it, calling google 'search overload' |
| [18:01:44] | Dagmar: | SEriously, they are running ads that would represent that Bing solves a problem. |
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| [18:02:17] | Dagmar: | THe problem being that some people apparently spontaneously and uncontrollably begin speaking as if they were reading summary lines from a search query |
| [18:02:26] | cityLights1: | take care ppl |
| [18:02:42] | Dagmar: | Any time you have someone pretending to solve a problem that doesn't actually exist, you know they're lying to you. |
| [18:03:03] | laga: | Dagmar: so lennart poettering was lying about pulseaudio? ;) |
| [18:03:18] | cityLights1: | excelent, point |
| [18:03:29] | Dagmar: | laga: Just self-deluding. ;) |
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| [18:04:01] | wagnerrp: | looks like someone is a couple months late |
| [18:04:07] | Dagmar: | "I HAS FOUND A PROBLEM! HERE IS TEH SOLUTION" doesn't exactly mean they've got the *right* solution |
| [18:04:15] | wagnerrp: | slashdot is reporting some movie based off Asteroids |
| [18:04:24] | wagnerrp: | this isnt the beginning of April... |
| [18:04:33] | Dagmar: | how the hell could that have a plot |
| [18:05:20] | Dagmar: | "You're in space. No time to talk. Start shooting." |
| [18:05:42] | wagnerrp: | its going to be the sequel to Armageddon |
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| [18:06:15] | dustybin: | does anybody here backup the mythtv tv recordings HD ? |
| [18:06:47] | wagnerrp: | anything i care to keep gets offloaded to my RAID and mythvideo |
| [18:07:10] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: is your mythtv recordings hd RAIDed ? |
| [18:07:16] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [18:07:28] | dustybin: | right thats what im thinking, i dont care if i lose tv stuff |
| [18:07:34] | wagnerrp: | and you cant 'raid' a single hard drive |
| [18:07:36] | dustybin: | it doesnt need to be raided or backup |
| [18:07:40] | dustybin: | nope |
| [18:07:57] | wagnerrp: | so that would be 'are your mythtv recordings hds...' |
| [18:08:06] | dustybin: | i have written a plan of my storage requirements |
| [18:09:02] | wagnerrp: | that movie will have an AWESOME sound track... boop boop boop boop boop |
| [18:09:41] | Dagmar: | BRAAAAAAK |
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| [18:13:12] | dustybin: | this is a rough draft of my storage requirements when i build my new server |
| [18:13:15] | dustybin: | http://paste.debian.net/plain/40832 |
| [18:13:36] | shesek: | While installing mythbuntu (I know I should ask there, but no one seems to be there) it asks for my remote control type, what should I select if I have iMON? |
| [18:13:49] | wagnerrp: | where are you getting this magical 512GB drive? |
| [18:14:03] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: i already have one in my server already |
| [18:14:07] | dustybin: | i will use that for the new box |
| [18:14:11] | wagnerrp: | a 512GB drive? |
| [18:14:22] | dustybin: | yes, seagate |
| [18:14:29] | GreyFoxx: | You can raid a single drive....a broken mirror with just 1 active drive ;) |
| [18:14:37] | dustybin: | i mean 500GB :-S |
| [18:14:48] | Dagmar: | shesek: You should read the LIRC docs and find out |
| [18:14:56] | GreyFoxx: | or raid 5 several partitions on 1 drive ;) |
| [18:15:07] | wagnerrp: | theres hardly any purpose to RAID5'ing 3 drives |
| [18:15:28] | dustybin: | do you guys think i should just do one big RAID 5 array |
| [18:15:31] | wagnerrp: | 3 is an odd number, youre better of with 4+ |
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| [18:15:40] | dustybin: | let me add up the storage |
| [18:15:59] | dustybin: | 6TB storage required |
| [18:16:09] | dustybin: | so i could use, 4x 2TB drives RAID 5 |
| [18:16:10] | laga: | personally, i'd just use storage groups support in myth. unless you really need redundancy (which probably only helps with uptime) |
| [18:16:19] | laga: | or if you need really big file systems |
| [18:16:37] | wagnerrp: | 100GB for full games (and disk images) is going to be too little, but for game saves is too much |
| [18:16:43] | dustybin: | laga: i did think that myself |
| [18:16:54] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: thats only for mame, nothing else |
| [18:17:04] | wagnerrp: | similarly 100GB each for personal usage, fonts, clipart... a bit excessive |
| [18:17:15] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: it is, i done that on purpse |
| [18:17:34] | wagnerrp: | and 1.5TB for music? |
| [18:17:45] | dustybin: | yep, again, im making room for the future |
| [18:17:48] | dustybin: | remember i use flacs |
| [18:18:10] | wagnerrp: | that makes little difference, youre looking at 200MB/disk |
| [18:18:16] | dustybin: | is it pretty easy to expand a RAID array with a new disk if i run out of room? |
| [18:18:18] | wagnerrp: | thats enough for 7.5k albums |
| [18:18:41] | Dagmar: | Expanding the array is not your problem.\ |
| [18:18:44] | dustybin: | i will have 6 spare HD trays on my server |
| [18:18:50] | Dagmar: | Expanding the filesystem is the problem. |
| [18:18:54] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:19:39] | dustybin: | i will use a mixture of linux raid and lvm |
| [18:19:40] | wagnerrp: | there just no point in spending $500 on hard drives that will largely go to waste |
| [18:19:46] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:20:07] | wagnerrp: | better to find a deal on 640GBs or something |
| [18:20:08] | dustybin: | if i can expand as needed, that sounds more logical |
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| [18:21:05] | wagnerrp: | also, youre going to mirror AND backup those drives? |
| [18:21:08] | dustybin: | 3TB for HD blue-ray rips will give me roughly 120 movies? |
| [18:21:18] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: not all of them |
| [18:21:46] | dustybin: | i dont need to backup blu-ray rips as i will own the originals |
| [18:21:48] | wagnerrp: | somewhere around there, maybe a bit less |
| [18:22:03] | wagnerrp: | i mean the personal storage array |
| [18:22:04] | dustybin: | same with sd dvd rips |
| [18:22:15] | dustybin: | oh yes, that needs backing up |
| [18:22:24] | wagnerrp: | mirrored and backed up? |
| [18:22:29] | dustybin: | yes |
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| [18:22:46] | dustybin: | i will backup onto external disks |
| [18:23:06] | wagnerrp: | unless you need high reliability uptime, theres no reason to mirror if youre doing frequent backups |
| [18:23:15] | dustybin: | right ok! |
| [18:23:19] | dustybin: | i get mixed messages from that |
| [18:23:34] | wagnerrp: | similarly, if you are mirroring, you may want to consider finding something that does snapshotting |
| [18:23:35] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx believes in RAID |
| [18:23:42] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:23:46] | wagnerrp: | rather than backups |
| [18:23:50] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:23:53] | GreyFoxx: | yes, because my time is more valuable than a disk |
| [18:24:03] | dustybin: | aye there you go |
| [18:24:04] | GreyFoxx: | and copying back from backups/reripping is time |
| [18:24:09] | dustybin: | yep |
| [18:24:27] | dustybin: | this is going to be tricky getting it right |
| [18:24:29] | wagnerrp: | i thought ext4 was supposed to do snappshotting, but i cant find any information on that |
| [18:24:39] | rushfan: | Hello. My HDHomeRun isn't getting a lock on any channels, and I have like an 83% signal |
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| [18:25:46] | quantum__: | somestimes dvdrip doesn't seem to work, it starts running, looks like it is working then evenutally it must abort and deletes the already started rip file. does anyone know if there is a way to fix this? |
| [18:26:28] | laga: | quantum__: check the logs |
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| [18:31:31] | wagnerrp: | ah, brtfs was the one that offered copy-on-write |
| [18:35:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you around? |
| [18:35:27] | dustybin: | i think this is a cleaner solution: |
| [18:35:27] | dustybin: | http://paste.debian.net/40834/plain/40834 |
| [18:36:09] | wagnerrp: | as per your comment around noon, the current patch on track uses 'QUERY_RECORDINGS RECORDING', which returns all of my existing recorded shows |
| [18:39:06] | wagnerrp: | actually, as far as i can tell, 'RECORDING', 'DELETE', and 'PLAY' all return the same list of recordings |
| [18:39:39] | wagnerrp: | they may differ in order, but they all have the same number of programs |
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| [18:40:29] | wagnerrp: | you lost a hard drive |
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| [18:50:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: well, it's not supposed to work that way... If it doesn't understand your token, it would default to QUERY_RECORDINGS Play... In programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp: if (type == "Recording") thequery += "AND recorded.endtime >= NOW() AND " "recorded.starttime <= NOW()"; |
| [18:50:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . er.cpp#L1212 |
| [18:50:58] | wagnerrp: | thats probably why its behaving that way |
| [18:51:10] | wagnerrp: | im using 'RECORDING' rather than 'Recording' |
| [18:51:19] | wagnerrp: | so it doesnt know what to do and uses 'Play' |
| [18:51:22] | sphery: | ahhh... sorry, I didn't see that |
| [18:51:37] | wagnerrp: | i used it once, saw that it worked the way i wanted it to, and left it at that |
| [18:51:44] | sphery: | yeah, it is case-sensitive and must be either Recording or Delete (anything else defaults to Play) |
| [18:52:53] | wagnerrp: | well its working the way it should for now... if perhaps for the wrong reasons |
| [18:53:02] | sphery: | That's the fun of the custom/built-with-patches-from-many-people protocol |
| [18:53:21] | sphery: | true... though leaving it will confuse the next guy :) |
| [18:53:24] | wagnerrp: | ill put up a fixed patch later when i have a couple other additions for the bindings |
| [18:53:34] | sphery: | cool. thanks. |
| [18:53:48] | wagnerrp: | i dont like flooding it with a bunch of patches with minor little differences |
| [18:54:44] | sphery: | For some reason, when I look at something in my browser window, I don't pay attention to case. When I'm in vim, I do. (Maybe because that's how their searches work?) Guess if I had downloaded the patch, I would have seen that your RECORDING was all caps. :) |
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| [18:55:07] | sphery: | yeah, and likely it will be a while before anyone reviews it, so you have time to collect a few changes. |
| [18:55:11] | wagnerrp: | no worries |
| [18:55:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, there are two other similar patches up that havent been touched in months |
| [18:59:16] | juski: | really can't concentrate in this heat. bah |
| [19:01:06] | juski: | my 'free' (£4.95) 3G modem came though :) |
| [19:02:02] | juski: | def. gonna find my laptop bag & take the machine to work tomorrow so I can bash some codings |
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| [19:02:27] | juski: | least it's air conditioned there :) |
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| [19:12:05] | kshots: | Is there a known issue with channel scanning in revision 20769 of the trunk? |
| [19:12:33] | kshots: | I can scan digital channels, but analog channels scans about 50 successfully, then stops in mid-scan (waited hours for a timeout which never came) |
| [19:14:22] | kshots: | As an alternative, how does the "import existing scan" option work? |
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| [19:15:28] | juski: | get a schedulesdirect account, then no need to scan analogue |
| [19:15:34] | meshe: | kshots: there was a merge of a new channel scanner a month or two ago, I'm unsure what known issues there are, but I would get there are some |
| [19:16:41] | juski: | if you don't get an SD account how are you going to get EPG data anyway? :D |
| [19:17:07] | kshots: | I have an SD account, I had always thought you had to do both to be functional |
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| [19:17:40] | meshe: | no, you don't need to do a scan for analog when you have SD |
| [19:17:46] | juski: | so then you don't need to scan analogue :) |
| [19:17:53] | kshots: | ok, sounds like a good alternative to me, then |
| [19:18:17] | juski: | use the "import channel lineup from listings provider" option :) |
| [19:18:52] | meshe: | kshots: i thought the same thing until i was also told to stop scanning for analog channels in this room |
| [19:19:32] | kshots: | ok, thanks... I'm trying that now |
| [19:19:43] | juski: | otherwise how else would you associate EPG data (i.e. xmltvids or whatever) with scanned channels? |
| [19:19:48] | dustybin: | i think ive got it, this sounds like a ideal solution, i can add in 1.5TB drives as i need them: http://paste.debian.net/plain/40842 |
| [19:20:25] | meshe: | juski: actually, you just need to run mythfilldatabase with a certain option, it's how i used to do it |
| [19:20:39] | meshe: | (can't remember the option though) |
| [19:20:46] | juski: | assuming your channels end up with correct names/callsigns yeah |
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| [19:21:04] | juski: | anyway SD takes all that pain away for you |
| [19:21:22] | juski: | thank God analogue is dying out |
| [19:22:08] | meshe: | 2 more years here in Canada |
| [19:22:24] | kshots: | Analog's likely to stick around until providers either offer us decoders for the PC or more unencrypted channels |
| [19:22:48] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what this analogue stuff you have to deal with, but im glad we recently got rid of our analog tv |
| [19:23:13] | meshe: | you think the providers care about us being able to record on our computers? |
| [19:23:27] | juski: | yes |
| [19:23:28] | kshots: | no, which is why I'm hoping analog sticks around |
| [19:23:35] | juski: | I think they want to prevent it at any cost |
| [19:24:14] | meshe: | well, the content owners do, I don't think the cable co's give a hoot other then keeping the content owners happy |
| [19:24:24] | juski: | bing! |
| [19:25:19] | gbee: | need to rethink my choice of primary drive, 5400 is way too slow when you are trying to backup files and use the machine at the same time |
| [19:25:31] | gbee: | stuck in IOWait hell |
| [19:25:50] | meshe: | time for SSD |
| [19:26:00] | kshots: | not for recordings, it's not |
| [19:26:18] | kshots: | besides, the SSD market is flooded with bad drives atm |
| [19:26:27] | meshe: | it didn't sound like gbee was talking about recordings |
| [19:27:05] | kshots: | If you get stuck with a drive with a JMicron controller, you'd be faster using a floppy drive with the same capacity |
| [19:28:47] | gbee: | I'm not, all my media is on 7200 3.5" drives, but the case is out of space so it seemed like a good idea at the time to use an old 120Gb 2.5" drive that I had lying around for / and /home ... normally it's not a problem but tonight it is |
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| [19:29:52] | kshots: | ah... in that case, SSD probably isn't a problem for you, and may speed you up (even with JMicron controller) |
| [19:29:53] | gbee: | SSD is fine but it's still not at the point where I feel the benefits justify the cost, soon I hope |
| [19:30:17] | kshots: | I've had some odd experiences with it myself... I dual-boot, and the SSD was intended to be my 'vista' drive... BAD IDEA |
| [19:30:21] | gbee: | I guess it's been a month or two since I looked at SSD prices |
| [19:30:32] | kshots: | 15–30 minutes to boot in vista |
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| [19:30:38] | kshots: | makes a good /usr drive, though |
| [19:30:39] | meshe: | ouch |
| [19:30:54] | meshe: | haven't you RMA'd it? |
| [19:31:06] | kshots: | How? It works fine, it's just painfully slow |
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| [19:31:20] | meshe: | that doesn't count as "working fine" to me |
| [19:31:23] | kshots: | (and it works fine under linux, for whatever reason) |
| [19:31:46] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: RAID will not protect your time from fs corruption! |
| [19:32:02] | kshots: | Besides, it's a design problem... RMA it for another drive, get the same problem |
| [19:32:18] | gbee: | netbook is SSD, no complaints there even though it's a comparatively slow Intel thing |
| [19:32:22] | gnome42: | gbee: bleeding edge kernel is much improved in responsiveness with high disk IO. |
| [19:32:40] | gbee: | gnome42: cool, worth knowing |
| [19:32:41] | CGI680: | sphery: Are you there? |
| [19:33:07] | gnome42: | yeah, it's quite good now. |
| [19:33:11] | gbee: | killed the rsync for now, couldn't wait |
| [19:35:12] | gnome42: | I use rsync for backups as well. Very handy with hardlinks. |
| [19:35:34] | gnome42: | space and time efficient. |
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| [19:36:33] | CGI680: | sphery: I want to continue thinking about this mythbox in theory before buying random parts because it needs to be small and quiet and sit in the livingroom. I was look at this Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1500 Notebook Express Card and linuxtv.org where you sent me yesterday it says it works with a small patch |
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| [19:40:57] | meshe: | <sphery>: build a big and noisy box, put it on the other side of the wall and run the cables through the wall to the tv, It'll be very quiet |
| [19:41:01] | meshe: | ;) |
| [19:41:15] | kshots: | heh |
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| [19:42:14] | kshots: | I used to experiment with that with the mini-itx boxen... built one for my father a few years ago, but that box has no hope of playing HD content back |
| [19:42:34] | kshots: | Are there any mini-itx solutions nowadays that can do HD? |
| [19:43:02] | meshe: | i just keep a desktop case beside my tv, between the fridge, furnace/AC I can't hear the computer fans |
| [19:43:29] | sphery: | heh, I wasn't here, but meshe covered for me |
| [19:43:42] | sphery: | CGI680: what meshe is what I would have recommended |
| [19:43:50] | meshe: | sphery: i hope you don't mind :) |
| [19:43:56] | kshots: | heh... what if the "other side of the wall" is outside? :) |
| [19:44:26] | kshots: | I suppose there's always the attic... |
| [19:44:34] | meshe: | or downstairs |
| [19:44:52] | sphery: | My 3 Myth boxes are big and ugly boxes (2 are the ugliest of the 8 cases I have in use now) that make a ton of noise. But, there's no noise in my viewing room |
| [19:44:53] | meshe: | or another wall |
| [19:45:00] | kshots: | Personally, I've moved my mythtv backend into the garage |
| [19:45:12] | sphery: | don't mind at all--I appreciate your answering :) |
| [19:45:52] | sphery: | kshots: and also 3 other walls (because if you only have one wall--and it's not circular--you're already outside) |
| [19:45:55] | CGI680: | what about installing mythtv on this? It that possible? http://usa.aopen.com/products_detail.aspx?ctg . . . p;mdstl=309# |
| [19:46:06] | kshots: | sphery: Good point :) |
| [19:46:23] | Dagmar: | If you have to ask then the answer is an automatic NO. |
| [19:46:40] | Dagmar: | ...because if you can't tell, then you don't have the skills necessary to make it happen. |
| [19:46:46] | Dagmar: | It's as simple as that. |
| [19:47:18] | sphery: | CGI680: I'm definitely not the guy to help. I build big and ugly with no regard to noise because none of my myth boxes are in the viewing room. |
| [19:48:00] | meshe: | CGI680: there's lots of discussion on "small and quiet" mythboxes on the mailing list |
| [19:48:03] | kshots: | CGI680: The only important thing to look for in those specs is the video... and I have no experience with an "Intel GMA X4500 MHD" |
| [19:48:23] | meshe: | kshots: or a *lot* of cpu power per core |
| [19:48:36] | kshots: | Usually not found in the tiny boxes |
| [19:48:43] | ** meshe nods ** | |
| [19:49:12] | meshe: | my husbands 3Ghz C2D would probably play anything thrown at it even with a cheap video card |
| [19:49:42] | meshe: | though he also has a GTX 275 |
| [19:49:52] | kshots: | Hmm... doesn't appear to come with a CPU... simply supports Socket P Core 2 duos |
| [19:50:14] | CGI680: | I was also looking at the dreambox made in germany. How come all of these are run with such low powered cpus. sphery: so how do you watch the video on a computer. Do you use a remote control with any of your boxes? |
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| [19:50:29] | meshe: | CGI680: heat |
| [19:50:35] | Dagmar: | ...because of the people who clearly want the low-powered CPUs |
| [19:50:37] | kormoc: | power usage |
| [19:50:43] | kshots: | CGI680: Heat, power efficiency, etc |
| [19:50:54] | kormoc: | form factor |
| [19:51:13] | kshots: | The old C3–2's with the CLE-266 video chipsets were great for that on SD streams |
| [19:51:38] | kshots: | Next to no CPU power, but the video chipset knew exactly how to handle video streams |
| [19:51:54] | kshots: | (just couldn't do jack with HD) |
| [19:51:57] | CGI680: | HD changed a lot of this I guess. |
| [19:53:02] | juski: | dreambox & other linux STB platforms use hardware MPEG decoders |
| [19:53:28] | juski: | just like propriatary cable/satellite boxes do |
| [19:53:37] | CGI680: | ah hardware decoders! |
| [19:53:48] | kshots: | That's essentially what the CLE-266 was |
| [19:53:55] | juski: | which is how they're ace for playing video but their UIs are generally really very sucky & slow |
| [19:54:45] | juski: | your typical STB CPU is something akin to a 200MHz ARM chip which would be utterly useless even for SDTV |
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| [19:55:17] | CGI680: | I haven't found any barebones system designed for mythtv. Can anyone recommend where to look for one. |
| [19:55:19] | kshots: | Ok... I've got a question: I've just gone in and deleted all my channels in mythtv-setup (channel editor->Video Source(ALL)->Delete), then run a digital channel scan... how is it that I get conflicting channels? |
| [19:55:44] | kormoc: | CGI680, there really aren't any, least none associated with the project |
| [19:55:59] | kormoc: | *least none officially associated |
| [19:56:00] | juski: | kshots: because scanned digital channels can't be automagically lined up with your SD lineup. See the wiki or maybe somebody here will chime in |
| [19:56:18] | XLV: | CGI680, yeah, any pc will do, state your requirements of it and maybe we can pinpoint something out |
| [19:56:31] | CGI680: | Juski. The speed of the UI isn't important as long as it plays the video well. |
| [19:56:50] | kormoc: | UI speed is important with large collections |
| [19:56:55] | juski: | CGI680: basically buy as much CPU & RAM as you can afford & buy tuner(s) which are known to work in linux (see linuxtv.org) |
| [19:56:57] | kormoc: | I don't want to spend 10 minutes finding a show to play |
| [19:57:22] | kshots: | That's more a function of your mysql database than your UI |
| [19:57:23] | XLV: | as much cpu.. any c2d 2.5Ghz and upwards is enough |
| [19:57:44] | juski: | CGI680: oh but it is, since most cable./sat companies' software sits on top of middleware & even a simple grid based now/next display is slow as hell. (HELLO Virgin Media!) |
| [19:57:44] | CGI680: | my requirements are a small noiseless box that wouldn't cost more than $400 or $500 to build tops. |
| [19:58:01] | juski: | small AND noiseless could be tricky on a low budget |
| [19:58:16] | kormoc: | kshots, not really, if the ui is slow (as CGI680 is saying he wouldn't care about), say it takes 15 seconds to switch between videos.... |
| [19:58:20] | juski: | esp. if you want it to look nice |
| [19:58:55] | juski: | CGI680: some smart folks have gone all out & just built big fugly boxes but they hide them away in a closet & run cables to the TV/hifi |
| [19:59:08] | juski: | cheaper in the long run if you can feed cabling about |
| [19:59:12] | meshe: | it's much cheaper that way |
| [19:59:35] | CGI680: | O.k. but what about running it with a remote control? |
| [19:59:45] | jduggan: | ir extender |
| [19:59:46] | jduggan: | :) |
| [19:59:49] | meshe: | that's one of the cables you run |
| [19:59:50] | juski: | CGI680: RF, or use a USB IR receiver |
| [20:00:01] | juski: | or use an IR extender-bobby |
| [20:00:30] | juski: | btw remember folks, if it wasn't for slow cludgy STB UIs there probably never would've been a MythTV :D |
| [20:00:46] | jduggan: | heh |
| [20:01:21] | ** juski ponders. was mythtv about the 1st software PVR anybody could take seriously? ** | |
| [20:01:35] | meshe: | i have a feeling my mythbox is unhappy right now |
| [20:01:36] | juski: | neglecting the damn awful software shipped with TV tuners |
| [20:02:00] | juski: | came along even before MCE too IIRC |
| [20:02:10] | CGI680: | You like too see that lights responding on it like you do with your p.c. How are you going to see that when it's in a closet? |
| [20:02:25] | CGI680: | sorry? |
| [20:02:26] | juski: | CGI680: flashing lights? sod that I'm watching my stories! |
| [20:02:43] | kormoc: | I like it as dark as can be |
| [20:02:51] | kormoc: | nothing to district from the video |
| [20:02:57] | juski: | if you need to worry about whether the HDD led is flashing, you probably shouldn't have a computer |
| [20:03:13] | meshe: | build a box with a mATX case and put a quiet cpu fan and quiet power supply and quiet hard drive and you're done |
| [20:03:27] | juski: | and if the system power LED goes out, I'll bet it won't still be playing your media |
| [20:03:32] | juski: | :D |
| [20:03:57] | juski: | meshe: wants it on the cheap |
| [20:04:02] | CGI680: | meshe: so I'll google mATX case and see what comes up. |
| [20:04:18] | juski: | even 'quiet' PC components don't really cut it unless you spend decent money |
| [20:04:45] | juski: | anyway buy a cheap case & you can shoot the noise level right up for starters |
| [20:04:51] | meshe: | well, the cpu fan can be replace for under $20, it won't be silent, but it's way better than most stock ones |
| [20:05:52] | juski: | I messed around with a few options before settling down with my current frontend box. Even 25dB 'quiet' wasn't enough in my LC02 case |
| [20:06:16] | juski: | you could still hear it if you really listened |
| [20:06:20] | kshots: | I still remember the problem that box I built for my father had... it had a power LED that looked like a halogen spotlight (super-bright blue LED). Made watching TV very uncomfortable, as the box was next to the TV |
| [20:06:41] | juski: | and my sound level meter didn't think the fan was only 25dBA either |
| [20:06:58] | kshots: | Took 4 layers of black electrical tape to "dim" the thing |
| [20:07:02] | juski: | lol |
| [20:07:06] | meshe: | i don't really understand the need for silent, just crank up the home theatre *shrug* |
| [20:07:09] | CGI680: | That's what I want to be able to do, is build one for my father. |
| [20:07:22] | kormoc: | meshe, I don't like hearing it when it's not playing tv |
| [20:07:25] | juski: | kshots: not heard of *resistors* ? |
| [20:07:39] | juski: | meshe: what kormoc said |
| [20:07:41] | meshe: | CGI680: hehe, my parent's myth box is bigger and uglier than mine |
| [20:07:45] | kshots: | juski: Took more work to do that :) |
| [20:07:54] | juski: | aim for quieter than an xbox :D |
| [20:08:09] | juski: | and if it's louder than an xbox 360, buy some earplugs |
| [20:08:23] | CGI680: | My father won't stand for ugly, he if fucking particular and an awarding winning architect. |
| [20:08:39] | kormoc: | Language... |
| [20:08:40] | juski: | CGI680: there's your $500 budget gone already then |
| [20:08:45] | meshe: | hehe |
| [20:08:57] | kormoc: | and buy a (current gen) mac mini |
| [20:09:07] | kormoc: | Install Linux, call it good |
| [20:09:22] | meshe: | CGI680: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ma . . . ?mco=MTE3MDM |
| [20:09:28] | CGI680: | kormoc: what about the tuner? |
| [20:09:32] | juski: | USB or HDHR tuners would be your only option then of course |
| [20:09:38] | meshe: | what juski said |
| [20:09:38] | kormoc: | or firewire |
| [20:09:40] | juski: | or a remote backend |
| [20:09:55] | juski: | duh always forget the firewire option since it's but a dream in the UK ;) |
| [20:10:27] | CGI680: | the mac mini is a good thought. A friend of mine just bought one for $300 and they're quiet. |
| [20:10:42] | XLV: | CGI680, i'd try some mobile on desktop too ( mobile cpus on a atx ( micro or full ) motherboard.. a mobile c2d is at 25W ( p series ) or 35W ( t series ) and they should be sufficient if they are more or equal than 2.5GHz |
| [20:10:45] | meshe: | make sure it's one of the current gen ones, with the C2D |
| [20:10:49] | juski: | remote backends can be in big fugly noisy boxes in a different part of the house, and you ain't as limited to HDD space as with a mac mini |
| [20:11:04] | XLV: | CGI680, those you can even cool them fanless with a nice heatsink |
| [20:11:19] | kormoc: | http://www.arstech.com/item-SSI2-PCI-card-ssi2_pci.html |
| [20:11:26] | kormoc: | usb to pci card adapter |
| [20:11:33] | kormoc: | also available in 3 slot style |
| [20:11:48] | juski: | altogether the single best thing about mythtv is its distributed architecture. None of that 'all in one box or else' junk like some other linux PVR programs |
| [20:11:54] | kormoc: | oh crap |
| [20:11:55] | XLV: | CGI680, also check dell hybrid |
| [20:12:07] | meshe: | wow |
| [20:12:07] | kormoc: | it's just isa to usb, pci is a daughter card :( |
| [20:12:12] | juski: | oof |
| [20:12:25] | XLV: | CGI680, you can build a 2nd pc with all the tuners somewhere else, use the dell hybrid only for front end |
| [20:12:28] | juski: | did dell hybrids take hold much? |
| [20:13:42] | XLV: | juski, take hold much? |
| [20:13:54] | juski: | doesn't look like dell uk sell em anymore |
| [20:14:31] | XLV: | juski, dont know about that.. here i have seen a nice offer for one with 2.1Ghz c2d mobile, 2GB, 250GB hdd etc for 280 euro |
| [20:14:51] | XLV: | for a frontend should be sufficient ( maybe a bit more cpu ) |
| [20:14:57] | juski: | ah they're found by using search.. not really linked to from the store directly |
| [20:15:45] | juski: | 'from £429' ouch |
| [20:15:50] | juski: | sooner have a mac mini |
| [20:16:26] | juski: | the £429 model is only a Celeron 570! |
| [20:16:52] | XLV: | juski, it was an offer from saturn ( dont know if its still valid ) |
| [20:16:56] | XLV: | probably not |
| [20:17:08] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:17:31] | juski: | surprised the Apple deal is better :D |
| [20:17:47] | juski: | if I had £500 in my back burner.. you betcha! |
| [20:17:58] | XLV: | yeah, a price search engine shows prices here too from 490 euro too.. shit |
| [20:18:37] | juski: | maybe I should get back into theming, crank up a paypal donate page & start saving up |
| [20:18:47] | CGI680: | the dell hybrid would fit the ticket form wise. Would it have enough horse power to run the both the frontedn and the backend? |
| [20:19:07] | juski: | CGI680: backend doesn't take much CPU if you're using digital tuners or firewire |
| [20:19:17] | juski: | it's *playback* of HD you need CPU grunt for |
| [20:19:38] | kshots: | (unless you're commercial scanning) |
| [20:19:49] | kshots: | (or transcoding) |
| [20:19:51] | wagnerrp: | the only thing the backend does anymore on a standard installation is commercial scanning |
| [20:20:00] | XLV: | CGI680, you'd need to use usb tuners, but if you use a 2.5Ghz c2d mobile you'd be ok.. ebay.hk has some nice prices on those ( ~200 euro for a 2.4GHz t7700 |
| [20:20:02] | juski: | ugh. the dell studio only has intel 3100 graphics too |
| [20:20:06] | wagnerrp: | and from what i understand, commercial scanning doesnt do too well in the UK |
| [20:20:11] | juski: | aren't the new minis now shipping with nvidia? |
| [20:20:27] | juski: | as in.. VDPAU capable nvidia chips? |
| [20:20:37] | XLV: | juski, yeah, though i believe most still use software decoding.. vdpau is limited to dxva/L4.1 isnt it? |
| [20:20:47] | juski: | I dunno |
| [20:21:03] | wagnerrp: | DXVA is something completely different |
| [20:21:25] | wagnerrp: | its a directx api, that the last several generations of cards are compatible with |
| [20:21:29] | CGI680: | I notice that the dell hybrid has a hdmi out put. Would you be able to get a myth comptible usb tuner and expect it to work resonably well. |
| [20:21:43] | XLV: | wagnerrp, yeah, but dxva is limited to L4.1 too |
| [20:21:49] | juski: | CGI680: assuming you have a fast enough CPU to play back HDTV yes |
| [20:21:51] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU will *try* to play whatever you feed it |
| [20:22:05] | wagnerrp: | and while DXVA will refuse to play anything better than 4.1 |
| [20:22:32] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU will at least attempt, and usually succeed because the videos were arbitrarily set to 5.1 because the encoder didnt know what they were doing |
| [20:23:00] | juski: | mac minis have nvidia 9400M apparently, which can do vdpau – but to what extent I have no idea |
| [20:23:03] | XLV: | wagnerrp, i thought vdpau was as limited too.. good to know |
| [20:23:17] | wagnerrp: | XLV: VDPAU is limited to true 4.1 content |
| [20:23:36] | wagnerrp: | however it will play any content that falls below 4.1 requirements |
| [20:23:45] | juski: | wth is 4.1? |
| [20:23:49] | wagnerrp: | regardless of the level set in the header |
| [20:23:57] | wagnerrp: | 4.1 is just a performance level |
| [20:24:05] | XLV: | wagnerrp, yeah, got it, but it doesnt crap out if it sees a l5.1 thats actually 4.1 but the encoder messed up |
| [20:24:05] | juski: | more to the point, where are you likely to encounter such streams? |
| [20:24:08] | wagnerrp: | defined as so much throughput, and so much memory for reference frames |
| [20:24:49] | wagnerrp: | you are likely to never see anything above 4.1, except for stuff you download off the internet where the encoder cranked it up to 16 reference frames because they could |
| [20:25:00] | juski: | heh |
| [20:25:34] | wagnerrp: | and why software decoders will just increase their buffer memory and push right through, hardware decoders dont have that option |
| [20:25:49] | juski: | dunno if a 2.0Ghz C2D is any cop for BBC HD on its own. prolly not quite |
| [20:26:13] | juski: | still looking for an excuse to finally get one of them buggers |
| [20:26:24] | wagnerrp: | probably not, that hits up to ~25mbps doesnt it |
| [20:26:37] | juski: | up to ~18mbps I thought |
| [20:26:53] | wagnerrp: | well the US is 19, but i thought DVB allowed higher throughput |
| [20:27:01] | meshe: | probably shouldn't be a problem once ffmpeg goes multithreaded |
| [20:27:09] | juski: | wagnerrp: yeah ALLOWED sure ;) |
| [20:27:16] | wagnerrp: | meshe: h264 decoding is already multithreaded |
| [20:27:16] | juski: | not what they actually broadcast |
| [20:27:26] | meshe: | wagnerrp: oh |
| [20:27:31] | wagnerrp: | assuming they broadcast multi-sliced video |
| [20:27:49] | juski: | which seemingly everybody but ITV HD do :) |
| [20:28:07] | wagnerrp: | and if they didnt broadcast multi-sliced video, theres no stock processor in the world that could decode at that bitrate single threaded |
| [20:28:34] | juski: | massive WAF on the mac mini too. wife saw it & asked "when are we getting one?" |
| [20:28:53] | meshe: | hehe |
| [20:28:55] | juski: | that basis alone should be all the goahead anybody needs |
| [20:29:34] | kormoc: | That's my plan |
| [20:29:35] | meshe: | definately the nicest looking FE out there |
| [20:29:43] | juski: | so £499 for the 1GB ram model. invalidate the warranty immediately, upgrade the ram & save £150 or so |
| [20:29:44] | kormoc: | mac mini + hdpvr + usb drives == win |
| [20:29:57] | wagnerrp: | im still partial for one of the 1U silverstones |
| [20:30:15] | meshe: | kormoc: what about using the firewire for the drives? |
| [20:30:30] | juski: | the *only* snag with the mini is that its audio out is either analogue or digital – can't do both at the same time |
| [20:30:41] | kormoc: | that could work too, the drive enclosure I have in mind is both firewire and usb |
| [20:31:14] | juski: | so we'd always need our AV amp on to get sound but that I could live with |
| [20:31:19] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: no separate backend? |
| [20:31:38] | kshots: | If you use it as a frontend... does mythtv have a mac port for just the frontend? |
| [20:31:39] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, for just me? Nah, no need right now |
| [20:31:46] | kshots: | better hardware support that way... |
| [20:31:51] | juski: | buh, could just use USB audio & hide it |
| [20:32:09] | juski: | ding dong. sold to the man lying on the couch sweating his bits off |
| [20:32:13] | meshe: | juski: i can't stand the quality of sound that comes out of most tvs, I always turn on the home theatre |
| [20:32:14] | kormoc: | kshots, it can build in os x sure, but hardware support is about the same, it's all fairly standard |
| [20:32:27] | wagnerrp: | single firewire port... you would have to make sure all your hardware played nice in a chain |
| [20:32:59] | kshots: | k, figured I'd ask :) |
| [20:33:03] | kshots: | gotta go |
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| [20:33:06] | kormoc: | I wouldn't chain them, only one firewire device ;) |
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| [20:33:54] | juski: | now, where am I gonna get £500 from? Hrm... |
| [20:34:06] | juski: | hey I've got two kidneys.. |
| [20:34:19] | XLV: | the dell hybrid for 280 euro was a great deal.. and ebay.hk got some great bargains for c2d mobile cpus.. 230$ for 7700 2.6GHz 4Mb cache eg |
| [20:34:23] | wagnerrp: | man pulled over on the west side of cincinnati for having bad plates |
| [20:34:49] | wagnerrp: | he proceeded to inform police that he owned 49 states, was on his private property, and thus did not need plates |
| [20:35:01] | ** juski sniggers ** | |
| [20:35:03] | wagnerrp: | he then proceeded to inform them that he was also Jesus |
| [20:35:27] | juski: | and the police officers proceeded to beat him repeatedly & taser him for good measure? |
| [20:35:37] | wagnerrp: | if only.... |
| [20:38:56] | kormoc: | 49? skipped out on Hawaii eh? |
| [20:39:48] | meshe: | http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Jesus-Do . . . q4OOsxA.cspx |
| [20:40:11] | wagnerrp: | hey! i know that call sign! |
| [20:40:39] | kormoc: | Booked under "False Statements"? That might be hard to prove... |
| [20:41:20] | juski: | bit cooler now, might be able to concentrate on MangleArea now :) |
| [20:42:04] | juski: | oh but it's Caipirihna time again. Bum |
| [20:42:19] | kormoc: | you sound bummed... |
| [20:42:34] | juski: | good job little Jimmy doesn't need this patch for his dialisis machine eh |
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| [20:44:31] | shesek: | hmm.. I'm putting video (avi) files in /var/lib/mythtv/videos/ (which is configured as video directory), but I don't see them at all from mythtv's interface (from Media library->Watch videos) |
| [20:44:43] | shesek: | how come? |
| [20:44:50] | wagnerrp: | shesek: have you rescanned mythvideo? |
| [20:45:19] | shesek: | nope. how do I do that? |
| [20:45:30] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo is not intended as a file browser |
| [20:45:39] | wagnerrp: | it will only show you videos present in the database |
| [20:46:00] | wagnerrp: | if you go into the video manager, under utilities/setup, it will automatically scan for new content |
| [20:46:09] | wagnerrp: | and then ask if you want to delete entries for missing files |
| [20:46:20] | shesek: | great, it works :) |
| [20:46:27] | juski: | not bummed kormoc just hot & bothered. no a/c – generally no need of it here in rainyland |
| [20:46:52] | shesek: | well, time to close up the computer and connect it to my 50" ^_^ |
| [20:47:08] | shesek: | oh, one more thing |
| [20:47:31] | shesek: | the iMON PAD controller |
| [20:47:59] | shesek: | oh, wait |
| [20:48:49] | meshe: | but i wanna go home! |
| [20:50:03] | shesek: | no, I didn't get it to work |
| [20:50:14] | shesek: | well, I'll fix that damn pad later, ain't that important |
| [20:50:21] | shesek: | thanks, wagnerrp |
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| [21:00:31] | kormoc: | And thank you ubuntu for renaming lsb_release to lsb-release... way to break any distro detection scripts... |
| [21:01:06] | juski: | underscores confuzzle noobies |
| [21:02:44] | Dagmar: | Where does "lsb-release" appear? |
| [21:02:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but at least you can be sure youre not trying to perform arithmetic |
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| [21:03:07] | kormoc: | /etc/lsb-release vs /etc/lsb_release |
| [21:03:29] | Dagmar: | Either I'm missing something or this is much simpler than that |
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| [21:03:33] | juski: | how do you get that sideways slanting thingy again? ;-) |
| [21:03:38] | Dagmar: | Doesn't the LSB define something about that filename? |
| [21:03:50] | kormoc: | yes, that it should be a _ |
| [21:03:57] | kormoc: | they just renamed it in a update today |
| [21:04:07] | wagnerrp: | how do you make the long 'l'? |
| [21:04:11] | Dagmar: | http://linux.die.net/man/1/lsb_release |
| [21:04:13] | sphery: | kormoc: sounds like a job for a Schwartzian Transform! |
| [21:04:30] | Dagmar: | That page says lsb-release |
| [21:05:07] | kormoc: | hrm, fair 'nuff |
| [21:05:07] | Dagmar: | The command `lsb_release` has underscores apparently but hte file in /etc doesn't |
| [21:05:15] | sphery: | guess though, if you're looking for a file, the Schwartzian isn't so helpful... |
| [21:05:38] | Dagmar: | The who? |
| [21:05:46] | Dagmar: | Jewsiwhatsis? |
| [21:05:48] | pizzledizzle: | anyone know what could cause my whole system to freeze when running mode2? i just installed a usb receiver |
| [21:07:25] | Dagmar: | ...not having configured lirc's kernel module |
| [21:07:32] | Dagmar: | ...using the wrong kernel module |
| [21:11:52] | pizzledizzle: | hehe, i run lircd, then irw.. and the minute i start pressing buttons on the remote, the system freezes |
| [21:12:20] | Dagmar: | Okay, so you can be sure mode2 has nothing to do with the problem then |
| [21:12:25] | Dagmar: | That's at least progress |
| [21:12:48] | Dagmar: | REboot the machine, and then pay attention to what gets written to syslog when the kernel module to drive your IR reciever gets loaded |
| [21:12:50] | Dagmar: | It might be a hint |
| [21:13:05] | pizzledizzle: | when i run mode2, the system freezes even if i dont press anything |
| [21:13:17] | Dagmar: | If the system freeze just from you pressing buttons without actually running anything more than lircd, that's another "hint" |
| [21:13:35] | Dagmar: | kernel module, kernel module, kernel module. |
| [21:14:02] | pizzledizzle: | are there any configuration files for lirc other than /etc/lircd.conf |
| [21:15:02] | juski: | sometimes in /etc/lirc/* |
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| [21:19:22] | shesek: | should imon (the one with the pad thingy) work out of the box? |
| [21:19:34] | shesek: | the wiki is a bit confusing :S |
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| [21:25:12] | Dagmar: | Try reading hte LIRC documentation |
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| [21:39:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | b |
| [21:39:58] | pizzledizzle: | still cant get it working. it's a "Microsoft Corp. eHome Remote Control Keyboard keys" remote that uses mceusb module, which is compiled and loaded. |
| [21:40:10] | pizzledizzle: | this same ir receiver works fine on mythbuntu |
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| [21:44:01] | Dagmar: | Then use MythBuntu |
| [21:44:37] | Dagmar: | You know what causes the *most* LIRC problems? |
| [21:44:46] | Dagmar: | Hands down, it's the user refusing to read the LIRC documentation. |
| [21:46:08] | pizzledizzle: | what's there to read? it just says run setup.sh, choose driver, then do ./configure, make, make install |
| [21:46:32] | pizzledizzle: | after that it tells you to test it with mode2... which i did and it obviously isn't working |
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| [21:48:28] | Dagmar: | Ah yes, clearly if it's not in the tarball it must not count as documentation. You have fun with that. |
| [21:49:07] | Dagmar: | I no longer participate in the "Read A Webpage To A Newb" internet reading program |
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| [21:51:17] | pizzledizzle: | dagmar, please stop assuming what i read and didn't |
| [21:51:24] | pizzledizzle: | if you dont want to help then stfu |
| [21:51:27] | shesek: | should imon (the one with the pad thingy) work out of the box? the wiki kinda confuses me |
| [21:51:32] | Dagmar: | I don't have to assume. |
| [21:51:38] | Dagmar: | You've already said enough that I know what your problem is. |
| [21:51:51] | pizzledizzle: | which is...? |
| [21:51:57] | Dagmar: | I'm just sick and tired of having to read the internet to people twnety times a day because they're too lazy to read for themselves. |
| [21:52:14] | Dagmar: | I'm under no obligation to help anyone with anything just because they ask. |
| [21:52:15] | pizzledizzle: | read lirc's documentation that's in tarball and on their site |
| [21:52:25] | Dagmar: | I help out with problems with MythTV, which is *not* LIRC. |
| [21:52:26] | kormoc: | pizzledizzle, Is it the MCE USB Keyboard that comes as part of the MCE keyboard, remote, and usb receiver package? |
| [21:53:02] | pizzledizzle: | kormoc, there's no keyboard. it's just hp receiver + rc6 remote |
| [21:53:35] | kormoc: | So why are you using mode2? |
| [21:53:52] | Dagmar: | I would say it's got a lot to do with not reading the docs |
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| [21:55:50] | kormoc: | Ooh, so given it freezes with irw as well, why not look into dmesg/kernel outputs and see what's going on? |
| [21:56:04] | kormoc: | hopefully you get a panic? |
| [22:01:08] | pizzledizzle: | gonna check that now. i just ran irw, pushed a button on the remote and it went thru. irw displayed it, but then the system froze |
| [22:01:10] | pizzledizzle: | heh |
| [22:05:47] | Dagmar: | If you have a neighbor, and you're still using the lirc_mceusb module, you should go to them and ask them to slap you one while saying "READ" |
| [22:05:58] | Dagmar: | lirc_mceusb != lice_mceusb2 |
| [22:06:08] | Dagmar: | s/lice/lirc/; pfft |
| [22:06:08] | kormoc: | You know, I was just wondering about that |
| [22:06:28] | Dagmar: | The moment he said the identifier string, I just pasted it into Google and lo and behold... |
| [22:06:41] | Dagmar: | I'm somewhat sure lirc_mceusb carps about it too |
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| [22:07:49] | ** superdump is trying to figure out if it's possible to run a user job on previous recordings ** | |
| [22:08:06] | superdump: | without doing it manually |
| [22:08:15] | kormoc: | emaning not a button? |
| [22:08:18] | meshe: | superdump: click the user job in mythweb |
| [22:08:18] | superdump: | (manually being from the command line) |
| [22:08:26] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I tried your patch4 and it works for me now. Unfortunately the backend is returning ascii text rather than the utf8 strings in the data base. Thanks for the fix. |
| [22:08:26] | Dagmar: | Umm... probably (?) but I've no way to do it as a batch thing on a bucnh of them at once unless you can select them as a group in the recordings guide |
| [22:08:48] | superdump: | i've changed the options in my schedules |
| [22:08:49] | superdump: | that's ok |
| [22:08:59] | superdump: | but i'd like to run the job on previously recorded content |
| [22:09:00] | Dagmar: | Something about the way that was phrased leads me to believe he wants to do it on a bunch of things at once |
| [22:09:13] | superdump: | yup |
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| [22:09:54] | superdump: | though if i have to go through each recording and do something to make it run the user job on that recording, that wouldn't be the end of the world |
| [22:10:19] | meshe: | then :) click the userjob on the recording page in mythweb :) |
| [22:10:21] | superdump: | maybe i'm blind but i don't see it at the moment |
| [22:10:30] | superdump: | i don't have mythweb set up |
| [22:10:33] | superdump: | maybe i should |
| [22:11:03] | meshe: | at the very least for scheduling recordings |
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| [22:11:33] | meshe: | but you can also run a user job in the frontend, start the recording, hit I or M (can't remember which) and there should be a user job menu there |
| [22:11:57] | superdump: | i looked through the menu, but i only saw the transcode job |
| [22:12:00] | superdump: | nothing about user jobs |
| [22:12:02] | superdump: | :/ |
| [22:12:08] | superdump: | i'll look into mythweb |
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| [22:15:22] | pizzledizzle: | still not working. no mceusb2 no mceusb |
| [22:15:59] | gbee: | can anyone else confirm that recent recordings from Five* (UK) on Freeview are being mis-detected as progressive? |
| [22:16:53] | superdump: | i have a recording running at the moment, but if i remember, i'll have a go in a bit |
| [22:17:15] | superdump: | only recordings, not during playback? |
| [22:20:37] | pizzledizzle: | Dagmar, ur 3rd assumption failed agani |
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| [22:21:06] | gbee: | playback of recordings/livetv, at least I'd assume the latter since I don't use it myself |
| [22:21:14] | Dagmar: | They can't "fail" because it's not my damn problem. |
| [22:21:16] | Dagmar: | Read the docs. |
| [22:21:46] | pizzledizzle: | dagmar, read them. |
| [22:21:47] | Dagmar: | ...and it's not an "assumption" that you should be using mceusb2. |
| [22:21:54] | Dagmar: | Oh well, looks like LIRC doesn't support your hardware then. |
| [22:21:59] | pizzledizzle: | Dagmar, it's not mceusb2 |
| [22:22:25] | pizzledizzle: | it's mceusb. its the same module used on another computer with mythbuntu |
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| [22:24:19] | Dagmar: | So copy MythBuntu to both machines, since you can't apparently figure out how to copy it's configuration |
| [22:25:53] | pizzledizzle: | dagmar, no offense but you are probably the most useless person on this network. if you're going to try to help someone, at least know what you're talking about beforehand |
| [22:26:08] | pizzledizzle: | and dont get snappy when someone tells you that you're full of shit |
| [22:28:14] | Dagmar: | Bite me. |
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| [22:29:38] | Dagmar: | You're being a jerk to a stranger because they won't help you with a problem you would rather bug people with questions that belong in another channel than do any research yourself. |
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| [22:30:14] | Dagmar: | This isn't grade school anymore. Skimming over a document looking for keywords to make the public school teacher happy won't cut it in the real world. |
| [22:30:19] | Dagmar: | Read it like you actually want to learn something. |
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| [22:31:11] | Dagmar: | Look into WHY it's supposedly working with a module that is documented on LIRC's site to be the wrong one. |
| [22:32:52] | Dagmar: | Everything including Google searches indicates you've got a problem with the kernel module driver, but you want to whine and insist that can't be the problem. |
| [22:32:59] | Dagmar: | I'm sure that'll work out great in the long run. |
| [22:33:14] | Dagmar: | ...and crap like this is why I don't "do" LIRC problems. |
| [22:33:33] | Dagmar: | The idiot on the other end always wants to argue that what they're doing is "right" even though it _does not work_ |
| [22:33:58] | pizzledizzle: | dagmar, this isn't your personal blog |
| [22:34:04] | Dagmar: | ...and this isn't @LIRC. |
| [22:34:17] | pizzledizzle: | dagmar, if you want to help, i would appreciate it. if not, stop blogging into my window |
| [22:34:22] | Dagmar: | Stop acting like the world owes you something |
| [22:34:30] | Dagmar: | It's not your window. |
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| [22:35:54] | pizzledizzle: | im going to go get some chinese food and then continue working on this problem. i need the remote working by today |
| [22:36:51] | pizzledizzle: | ps, i know this isn't #lirc. #lirc is dead, which is why i asked for help here. its ok if you dont want to help. i dont expect you to. BUT if you can, i would appreciate it |
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| [22:41:08] | psm321: | pizzledizzle: i think you would get more help if you weren't openly hostile to somebody just because they happen to have a gruff attitude towards helping people. note that Dagmar, amongst the criticism, did tell you something pretty important |
| [22:44:17] | psm321: | pizzledizzle: the correct response to "<Dagmar> Hands down, it's the user refusing to read the LIRC documentation." would have been "I'm sorry, I did read what I thought was the documentation: here ____, here ____, and here. I probably missed something though, could you please point out what I should be looking at?" |
| [22:45:04] | psm321: | see also: http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| [22:48:58] | laga: | oh god |
| [22:49:13] | laga: | every day is smart questions day in #mythtv-users |
| [22:50:09] | psm321: | ? |
| [22:50:17] | dustybin: | pizzledizzle: you make me look intelligent |
| [22:50:18] | psm321: | has this been brought up before recently? |
| [22:50:53] | Dagmar: | Probably not in the last week or so |
| [22:51:48] | laga: | psm321: no, just annoyed that we have a meta-discussion about user behavior every so often ;) |
| [22:52:44] | psm321: | laga: sorry, but how else do you expect to educate new users? somebody needs to tell them what's expected |
| [22:53:04] | Dagmar: | What I'd like is if the LIRC guys would write some documentation for the completely clueless |
| [22:53:29] | Dagmar: | ...so that people don't necessarily _have_ to think carefully about what they're reading and how it compares to what they're seeing on the screen. |
| [22:53:32] | psm321: | and I must say, lirc's documentation is pretty obscure |
| [22:53:36] | psm321: | :) |
| [22:54:15] | psm321: | i would probably also come in here or into #lirc asking questions, given that it's hard to find things in the docs, but i would also ask politely and be happy to take pointers :) |
| [22:55:42] | Dagmar: | Whatcha wanna bet the mythbuntu is using an older install of lirc that had support for that reciever hacked into mceusb |
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| [22:56:15] | psm321: | i wouldnt know, i dont use any flavor of ubuntu, or mce remotes |
| [22:56:54] | ** sid3windr rofls a bit at dustybin 's "you make me look intelligent" =) ** | |
| [22:57:10] | sid3windr: | (and I had to agree, dammit) |
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| [23:05:01] | jduggan: | wow |
| [23:05:04] | jduggan: | any brits/ |
| [23:08:43] | gbee: | ? |
| [23:08:54] | jduggan: | heh |
| [23:09:04] | jduggan: | i just randomly got invited to big brother eviction night |
| [23:09:08] | jduggan: | vip entry |
| [23:10:17] | laga: | wow |
| [23:10:23] | laga: | you must be proud. |
| [23:10:35] | jduggan: | nah, its big brother... i didnt watch it after season2 |
| [23:10:42] | jduggan: | but i get to meet davina mccall |
| [23:10:43] | jduggan: | and she's hot |
| [23:10:43] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [23:11:45] | Dagmar: | You can console her after she's evicted. |
| [23:11:53] | jduggan: | heh |
| [23:11:58] | jduggan: | she's the presenter |
| [23:12:08] | Dagmar: | You can console her anyway. |
| [23:12:08] | Dagmar: | :) |
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| [23:15:51] | pizzledizzle: | hello sirs |
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| [23:31:31] | superdump: | bah |
| [23:31:34] | superdump: | gbee went |
| [23:31:59] | meshe: | it's past midnight where he is :) |
| [23:32:40] | Dagmar: | Lightweight. |
| [23:32:58] | superdump: | it's past midnight where i am |
| [23:33:02] | ** superdump is also in the Uk ** | |
| [23:33:04] | superdump: | UK* |
| [23:33:20] | meshe: | well off to bed then, its late there ;) |
| [23:38:25] | jduggan: | superdump: so ur jealous right ;/ |
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| [23:40:45] | superdump: | i used to watch big brother and in fact i watched most 'seasons' |
| [23:41:03] | superdump: | but i haven't watched it this year, or last year |
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| [23:41:26] | superdump: | it's cool and should be an interesting experience |
| [23:41:31] | superdump: | but i can't say i'm jealous :) |
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| [23:45:18] | jduggan: | lies |
| [23:46:19] | jduggan: | ;p |
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