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| [01:44:23] | dmz: | ok i can't remember how to setup a new myth box to know it has a via mpeg video decoder..any hints anyone? |
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| [01:47:39] | wagnerrp: | better to not try |
| [01:48:02] | dmz: | eh |
| [01:48:26] | kormoc: | Isn't it a XvMC flavor? |
| [01:48:35] | kormoc: | And isn't XvMC being removed from -trunk right now? |
| [01:48:44] | dmz: | yeah i have a bunch of htem running as diskless machiens |
| [01:49:05] | dmz: | but wife was going to mountians w/no cable or internet for a few weeks so i'm building a box w/a copy of stuff so she can at least watch movies & have music :) |
| [01:50:16] | dmz: | anyway i just don't recall what i setup before to have the mpeg video work right :) |
| [01:51:16] | dmz: | and any way i can disable all the TV functions? i don't want to have all the tv menu options if i'm not haivng that available |
| [01:51:30] | kormoc: | edit the menu theme |
| [01:51:46] | dmz: | that i can do |
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| [02:12:36] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you run into much trouble with people hacking on TF2? |
| [02:12:59] | kormoc: | not overly |
| [02:13:17] | wagnerrp: | i keep finding people with some speed hack |
| [02:13:24] | wagnerrp: | they press a button, they go really fast |
| [02:13:36] | Shadow__X: | i have seen the wall hacks |
| [02:13:36] | wagnerrp: | as in spooled up heavy running faster than a scout |
| [02:14:02] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,maybe he is being propelled by a rocket |
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| [02:14:11] | wagnerrp: | usually the people doing it are stupid and very overt about it |
| [02:14:28] | wagnerrp: | but i just went up against a spy that had to be using it, but i have no proof |
| [02:14:45] | kormoc: | ick |
| [02:15:04] | wagnerrp: | the only 'evidence' is that he died, and was back out in front of my base to stab me again in ~10 seconds |
| [02:15:08] | wagnerrp: | including the spawn wait |
| [02:18:45] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,what do you normally play as |
| [02:19:16] | wagnerrp: | none in particular, pretty much anything but spy |
| [02:19:20] | wagnerrp: | im no good as spy |
| [02:19:24] | kormoc: | I'm a engineer |
| [02:19:33] | kormoc: | give me a good ol' turret |
| [02:20:12] | Shadow__X: | yeah i am bad at spy as well |
| [02:20:34] | wagnerrp: | im a proficient engineer/heavy/medic |
| [02:20:42] | wagnerrp: | i used to be a damn good sniper, but im out of practice |
| [02:20:42] | Shadow__X: | i like being a sniper but i do better as a soldier and havnt done that well as an engineer |
| [02:21:01] | Shadow__X: | yeah heh maybe we should get a mythtv tf2 server going |
| [02:21:43] | wagnerrp: | ive already got one set up for L4D, but its not running at the moment |
| [02:21:54] | wagnerrp: | should be fairly simple to through up another for TF2 |
| [02:22:06] | wagnerrp: | actually, i think ill dump the files over now |
| [02:22:58] | Shadow__X: | heh i would play on it i dont attest to me being good but i do enjoy playing |
| [02:23:54] | wagnerrp: | ouch... 4MB/s |
| [02:24:18] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,why so slow |
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| [02:24:30] | Shadow__X: | is that your crazy samba setup |
| [02:24:35] | wagnerrp: | well, its bouncing betwen 4MB/s and 50MB/s |
| [02:24:39] | wagnerrp: | must be something with small files |
| [02:24:56] | Shadow__X: | thats a hell of a bounce stupid small files gumming up the works |
| [02:24:58] | sphery: | IME, CIFS/SMB hate small files |
| [02:25:14] | Shadow__X: | sphery,what doesnt hate smal files |
| [02:25:24] | wagnerrp: | jfs |
| [02:25:26] | sphery: | just goes really slow for small files |
| [02:25:38] | sphery: | and I'm talking even with windows->windows |
| [02:25:46] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,thats the fs not the tranfer medium |
| [02:26:21] | wagnerrp: | supposedly, JFS does really well with small files |
| [02:29:41] | Shadow__X: | tomorrow i think i may try and build this in garrys mod |
| [02:29:42] | Shadow__X: | http://wiki.garrysmod.com/images/9/9d/4x4ONE.jpg |
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| [02:30:02] | wagnerrp: | ive never tried garrys |
| [02:30:12] | wagnerrp: | its it just basically fun with physics? |
| [02:30:23] | Shadow__X: | yeah for the most part |
| [02:30:58] | Shadow__X: | you can also drop characters from the game in and create a game with guards and headcrabs though |
| [02:31:18] | wagnerrp: | only $10 now... might check it out later |
| [02:31:31] | Shadow__X: | you can spawn hundreds of combine and throw zombies headcrabs at em and see how they react |
| [02:31:54] | Shadow__X: | that vehicle has a fully working suspention |
| [02:31:54] | kormoc: | it's fun for a bit |
| [02:32:12] | Shadow__X: | yeah i havnt found it to be fun for long periods of time |
| [02:32:23] | Shadow__X: | but still fun nonthe less |
| [02:34:23] | wagnerrp: | bleh... 'kernel too old' |
| [02:34:40] | Shadow__X: | to run the tf2 server |
| [02:35:32] | wagnerrp: | well thats odd, the kernel identifier is high enough |
| [02:37:04] | wagnerrp: | i have (had) the server running under freebsd |
| [02:37:10] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [02:37:17] | wagnerrp: | its a linux executable, but freebsd has a binary emulation layer |
| [02:37:34] | Shadow__X: | and thats where its messing up? |
| [02:37:38] | wagnerrp: | only the normal kernel identifier is 2.4.something, while steam needs 2.6 |
| [02:37:44] | wagnerrp: | only its reporting 2.6 |
| [02:38:01] | wagnerrp: | and i havent changed anything from when it formerly worked |
| [02:38:05] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of anyway |
| [02:38:06] | Shadow__X: | what kernel does it really have |
| [02:38:09] | Shadow__X: | 2.6? |
| [02:38:12] | wagnerrp: | freebsd |
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| [02:38:36] | wagnerrp: | so... 7.2? |
| [02:38:38] | Shadow__X: | doesnt unix go by kernel versions or am i horrible mistaken |
| [02:38:43] | wagnerrp: | man, look how big those numbers are |
| [02:38:47] | wagnerrp: | linux is so far behind |
| [02:38:58] | dmz: | ok got the menus...ahh i remember now, i gotta go tune X; wife will be so happy with me :) |
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| [02:44:09] | wagnerrp: | ah hah! |
| [02:44:36] | wagnerrp: | i had set one of the boot files to set it properly at boot |
| [02:44:48] | wagnerrp: | only i had set it to "2.6.16" rather than 2.6.16 |
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| [02:45:04] | wagnerrp: | and steam apparently does not know what "2.6.16" means |
| [02:45:10] | wagnerrp: | it just knows that it is too old |
| [02:45:20] | tgm4883: | Is there a way to mass import all the videos in a directory into the recordings db table? |
| [02:45:36] | tgm4883: | I did something cool and hosed my db when reinstalling |
| [02:45:51] | wagnerrp: | no backup? |
| [02:46:15] | wagnerrp: | a 'scan' will import all the files back into the database |
| [02:46:23] | wagnerrp: | there just wont be any metadata to go along with it |
| [02:46:34] | wagnerrp: | if you want to batch download metadata |
| [02:46:45] | wagnerrp: | take a look at JAMU (just another metadata utility) |
| [02:46:57] | wagnerrp: | ive never used it, so i dont know what exactly the results of it are |
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| [02:49:49] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, yea thats how I hosed it. I backed it up to the same computer on accident |
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| [02:49:54] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [02:50:11] | wagnerrp: | you back up the database to a file, not another database |
| [02:50:29] | Hilikus: | i'm trying to install the frontend in a netbook. why does it need access to mythconverge?? |
| [02:50:38] | tgm4883: | yea, I backed it up to a file, then scp'd it to the same machine |
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| [02:50:50] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: because the frontend needs access to the database |
| [02:50:55] | cezium: | I have two dvb-t channels that I don't get any sound on on my regular frontend but on my laptop frontend there is no problem. Any suggestions? |
| [02:51:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not store any settings or informations outside the database |
| [02:51:33] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp so if i want to be able to run the frontend in a laptop that might sometimes be outside of the network i need to open my mysql server to the world? |
| [02:52:01] | wagnerrp: | no, you just dont run the frontend when youre not on the local network |
| [02:52:04] | Hilikus: | or is there a better way to watch tv without the frontend or something |
| [02:52:04] | sphery: | cezium: likely--assuming you get audio on other channels--those 2 channels are either using 32kHz audio or AC-3/DTS and you don't have your audio configured properly |
| [02:52:07] | tgm4883: | Hilikus, i'm surprised you have an internet connection fast enough for that |
| [02:52:25] | sphery: | cezium: if they're using AC-3/DTS, disable AC-3 and DTS passthrough |
| [02:52:29] | sphery: | (in myth) |
| [02:52:31] | wagnerrp: | what is your upload speed? |
| [02:52:40] | sphery: | if they're using 32kHz, you'll need to configure ALSA |
| [02:52:56] | Hilikus: | well, it would be pretty cool if there was some mythweb service that would stream and downsample on demand |
| [02:53:10] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: and yet... there is! |
| [02:53:13] | cezium: | sphery: will try but I think I will lose the sound on all the other channels if i dissable passthrough |
| [02:53:22] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp what is it? |
| [02:53:30] | wagnerrp: | part of mythweb |
| [02:53:35] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, so there is a scan utility to get all those shows into my db, or are you talking about the mythvideo scanner? |
| [02:54:07] | wagnerrp: | oh! you meant recordings, not videos |
| [02:54:08] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp what, the ASX stream? |
| [02:54:18] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: no, flash streaming |
| [02:54:20] | sphery: | cezium: some people have also said that there's a problem with mono channels (but I haven't seen any proof of that). You can always try "Independent Muting of Left and Right Audio Channels" if it's a mono audio stream and then mute a couple times until you find the right one. |
| [02:54:24] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, yea sorry, I thought I said that at the beginning |
| [02:54:29] | Hilikus: | i thought ASX was flash streaming |
| [02:55:00] | wagnerrp: | ASX streaming does no transcoding |
| [02:55:01] | Hilikus: | TBH i've never been able to stream using that ASX stream |
| [02:55:02] | cezium: | sphery: it is monochannels :/ |
| [02:55:17] | wagnerrp: | if you click on the subpage of a recording |
| [02:55:20] | Hilikus: | so how do i access the flash streaming |
| [02:55:22] | wagnerrp: | on the right side, there will be a window |
| [02:55:26] | wagnerrp: | containing a flash player |
| [02:55:34] | sphery: | cezium: if disabling passthrough makes it so that none of your channels give audio, then it just means your ALSA (and/or Audio Output Device--which basically chooses your ALSA config) is completely misconfigured |
| [02:55:38] | wagnerrp: | hitting play will cause mythweb to start up ffmpeg and start transcoding |
| [02:55:49] | wagnerrp: | hitting stop will cause mythweb to kill ffmpeg |
| [02:55:50] | sphery: | cezium: try the independent muting, then |
| [02:55:54] | wagnerrp: | this only works on recordings, not on livetv |
| [02:56:12] | cezium: | sphery: got sound on some channels but less then befor |
| [02:56:16] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp the window on the right is the one with the episode screenshot? |
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| [02:56:26] | cezium: | sphery: how do I do independent muting? |
| [02:56:33] | sphery: | and leaving the web page without hitting stop will leave the transcoding in progress for no purpose :) |
| [02:56:48] | Hilikus: | sphery that's good to know |
| [02:56:53] | wagnerrp: | well then you probably have to enable it in the mythweb settings |
| [02:57:06] | sphery: | cezium: check the box in audio settings in myth's frontend settings (probably somewhere under TV Playback) |
| [02:57:10] | wagnerrp: | search around and you should find some page that says 'warning! experimental! proceed at your own risk!' |
| [02:57:12] | cezium: | found it |
| [02:57:24] | sphery: | guess it's main General Settings |
| [02:57:31] | cezium: | no differens :( |
| [02:57:40] | sphery: | did you hit mute a few times? |
| [02:57:48] | sphery: | you have to mute to the one channel you haev |
| [02:58:18] | dmz: | doh, it was just as simple as changing the xorg.conf driver to openchrome — yeah wife loves me :) |
| [02:58:23] | sphery: | (i.e. mute right if the audio's on left--think it's a 3-way toggle both/left/right) |
| [02:58:32] | sphery: | no idea of order, though |
| [02:59:32] | Hilikus: | Enable this feature at your own risk, and don't expect too much official help until it has left the experimental phase. |
| [02:59:36] | Hilikus: | i found it |
| [02:59:55] | Hilikus: | worst thing is it wont work right? it cannot mess something up |
| [03:00:09] | sphery: | yay! you can watch your recordings in extremely low quality in a tiny window on a monitor! |
| [03:00:17] | wagnerrp: | pretty much |
| [03:00:33] | wagnerrp: | i wont say 'cannot', but it shouldnt |
| [03:00:50] | Hilikus: | ok, thats cool. but my original question was about the frontend for a laptop within my LAN. it says it can't connect to the mysql server |
| [03:00:55] | Shadow__X: | so wagnerrp its the freebsd execution emulation error causing the problem? |
| [03:01:03] | Hilikus: | thanks for the streaming stuff wagnerrp |
| [03:01:12] | cezium: | sphery: mythtv wont mute on that channel, if muting on a channel with audio I get osd feedback but no muting... |
| [03:01:20] | ** sphery hates Flash--especially after having just watched an episode of Eli Stone using ABC's "Full Episode Player" (a.k.a. Activex garbage that prevents GNU/Linux thieves from stealing our shows!) ** | |
| [03:01:44] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: its fixed... the problem is that i was running kernel version "2.6.16" instead of kernel version 2.6.16 |
| [03:01:48] | wagnerrp: | notice the quotes? |
| [03:01:54] | sphery: | cezium: I'm guessing it's an ALSA/Audio Output Device misconfiguration, then |
| [03:02:01] | wagnerrp: | steam didnt like the quotes |
| [03:02:05] | Shadow__X: | ah ok how did you fix that then |
| [03:02:07] | Shadow__X: | i am curious |
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| [03:02:37] | wagnerrp: | it set it properly, without the quotes |
| [03:02:39] | sphery: | cezium: start here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digital_Sound |
| [03:03:02] | sphery: | cezium: oh, and just to be safe, I should mention that if the system that's not working is running Pulse Audio, you need to get rid of Pulse |
| [03:03:05] | wagnerrp: | 'sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.26' |
| [03:03:11] | Hilikus: | lol, streaming (ffmpeg) is taking 96% of my cpu |
| [03:03:11] | wagnerrp: | err... 16, whatever |
| [03:03:17] | sphery: | Myth + Pulse and Bad Things happen |
| [03:03:25] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: what is your CPU? what type of content? |
| [03:03:41] | cezium: | how do I now if it's running Pulse? |
| [03:04:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: does the flash transcoding just run all out? or does just run at realtime? |
| [03:04:22] | Hilikus: | pretty crappy cpu. athlon XP 2100 and SD |
| [03:04:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: goes all out--my backend's can't transcode in real time (actually, can't even /de/code in real time), so I couldn't use it if I wanted |
| [03:04:59] | Hilikus: | sphery you mentioned that if you leave the page ffmpeg will continue running, how do i make it stop transcoding? i stopped streaming and it still runs |
| [03:05:08] | wagnerrp: | that should be able to do low resolution, low bitrate sorenson in real time |
| [03:05:28] | cezium: | sphery: got sound using /dev/dsp istead of ALSA:spdif |
| [03:05:33] | sphery: | j-rod was able to do flash on his quad-core Q<something-or-other> system |
| [03:05:35] | wagnerrp: | at least my backend (1.8 A64) will do SD in real time |
| [03:05:41] | wagnerrp: | i havent actually tried HD |
| [03:05:53] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp you know how to make it stop transcoding? |
| [03:05:55] | sphery: | cezium: yeah, ALSA:spdif only takes 48kHz |
| [03:06:01] | sphery: | cezium: you need to configure ALSA |
| [03:06:06] | kormoc: | Hilikus, what's your setup (web server/perl modules)? |
| [03:06:11] | wagnerrp: | hit stop, ffmpeg will die after a couple seconds |
| [03:06:15] | sphery: | good luck with that--hope you're well versed in dark magic |
| [03:06:19] | cezium: | so using /dev/dsp is a bad idea? |
| [03:06:26] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp i did hit stop and it didn't die :( |
| [03:06:29] | kormoc: | my core2duo can do flash streaming well beyond realtime for SD |
| [03:06:31] | sphery: | /dev/dsp is using the analog output |
| [03:06:37] | wagnerrp: | so then kill it manually |
| [03:06:43] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, mine is all HDTV |
| [03:06:49] | cezium: | but I only have an optical toslink kabel? |
| [03:06:50] | wagnerrp: | 'kill' or 'killall', choose your poison |
| [03:07:00] | sphery: | kormoc: and my Athlon XP 2400+ and 2000+ just can't hack it :) |
| [03:07:06] | kormoc: | heh, fair 'nuff |
| [03:07:33] | sphery: | cezium: if you want analog output, /dev/dsp is fine (or ALSA:default, assuming you didn't redefine default) |
| [03:07:40] | Hilikus: | oh actually it's the opposite of what sphery said. it stops only when you leave the page |
| [03:07:52] | kormoc: | or when it gets to the end of the video |
| [03:08:48] | sphery: | it may look like the opposite of what I said, but when you find your system isn't responding well and see a transcode or 2 in progress, you may understand what I was saying :) |
| [03:08:55] | Hilikus: | so my problem is mythfrontend can't talk to the DB. i thought it was because of the binding in the mysqld listening just to 127.0.0.1. am i in the right track? |
| [03:09:03] | kormoc: | that would be an issue |
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| [03:09:22] | kormoc: | "But both systems can ping 127.0.0.1!" |
| [03:09:33] | Hilikus: | hehe |
| [03:10:09] | wagnerrp: | off... seems i dont have ffmpeg installed on the web server currently |
| [03:12:28] | sphery: | heh, #6683: "My Qt-MySQL drivers were compiled with a version of the MySQL C API that's incompatible with the MySQL server version I'm running, so Myth is broken." |
| [03:12:35] | Shadow__X: | ah i didnt know you could do that |
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| [03:14:56] | sphery: | just a guess, but since Myth /never/ touches the MySQL C API, it's either running incompatible versions of Qt-MySQL drivers/MySQL server or another bug in Qt 4.5's Qt-MySQL driver (which, as evidenced by my saying, "another," wouldn't be the first) |
| [03:15:56] | kormoc: | Think closed with the following works? "Recompile your Qt-MySQL drivers with a MySQL C API that is compatible with your MySQL Server version, or take the issue upstream to Mandriva. It's very likely not a mythtv issue." |
| [03:17:33] | sphery: | It is possible it may actually be another (related :) bug in Qt4.5's Qt-MySQL drivers... |
| [03:20:47] | sphery: | I really can't see any way for that to happen except with a change to the MySQL C API--and the Qt-MySQL drivers should detect/compile for the right version |
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| [03:21:04] | sphery: | (where right version = the version for which they're compiled) |
| [03:23:06] | sphery: | If it's Myth, it's only Myth exposing a bug at a lower level--like with the not-checking QSqlQuery::exec()'s return value. |
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| [03:26:56] | sphery: | kormoc: I'm thinking it's possible that it may be a bug in the Qt-MySQL 4.5.x driver, now... It /always/ tries to execute any statement using a prepared statement--even if the app didn't ask it to (yeah, right, why write an API that does what you ask it to?). |
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| [03:27:56] | sphery: | kormoc: seems that particular error occurs frequently when running a command using a prepared statement that MySQL doesn't support running as a prepared statement. |
| [03:29:24] | sphery: | kormoc: Though the driver notices the failure then tries again, but without the prepared statement. Although it doesn't reset the lastError(), the recent changes to always check exec() return values should have prevented our seeing the false lastError() as an error. |
| [03:30:34] | sphery: | However, the specific code that's being run should succeed as a prepared statement--and we actually told it to use a prepared statement ( INSERT INTO settings (value,data,hostname) VALUES ( ?, ?, ? ); ), so now I'm back to bug/bad compile/bad install of drivers. |
| [03:31:38] | wagnerrp: | ugh... built ffmpeg, and forgot lame |
| [03:32:16] | sphery: | kormoc: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=19694 interesting... Seems some optimization flags can cause corruption of data being sent... |
| [03:33:21] | sphery: | that particular one having been fixed, but could be a regression or the reporter has a build compiled with some other optimization flags that have similar effect |
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| [03:38:24] | sphery: | kormoc: I'm going with Qt-MySQL driver build/packaging/dependency failure of some sort. |
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| [04:31:53] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,so server runs no problem now |
| [04:33:10] | wagnerrp: | dont know... but 'steam' (update program) ran without problem |
| [04:33:16] | wagnerrp: | actually, it seems to still be running |
| [04:33:31] | wagnerrp: | 75% downloaded, out of some ~2GB |
| [04:34:09] | alakhia: | can anyone recommend a good small factor machine to setup for myth-tv? |
| [04:34:25] | wagnerrp: | alakhia: what do you want the machine for? |
| [04:35:15] | alakhia: | wagnerrp: should have wireless so i can watch youtube, tuner card so i can watch tv, have hdmi out |
| [04:35:26] | wagnerrp: | the intended purpose defines the required power and expansion capacity, which will determine the machine you can use |
| [04:35:27] | alakhia: | needs to be linux compatible of course |
| [04:35:55] | wagnerrp: | 'wireless so i can watch youtube'... you do understand mythtv needs internet access for other purposes right? |
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| [04:36:22] | alakhia: | ok, so that serves both purposes! :) |
| [04:36:35] | wagnerrp: | furthermore, mythtv can not play youtube directly |
| [04:36:49] | wagnerrp: | there *is* a 3rd party youtube plugin, but thats for trunk |
| [04:37:04] | alakhia: | ahhh, ok, that's fine, so it will have that support eventually |
| [04:37:07] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to get by with mythbrowser, but i dont know how its flash support is |
| [04:37:32] | alakhia: | i am fine with downloading content on usb drive and plugging that in also |
| [04:37:34] | wagnerrp: | you want a tuner card... meaning you want digital tv? |
| [04:37:43] | alakhia: | that would be a plus |
| [04:37:49] | alakhia: | not sure how practical that is |
| [04:38:09] | wagnerrp: | well there is no analog tv |
| [04:38:11] | alakhia: | i am pretty new to myth tv ... in case it wasn't obvious |
| [04:38:25] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, you seem to be a comcast user... so did you want to record cable? |
| [04:38:50] | alakhia: | no, i don't have comcast right now ... but it is good to keep options open |
| [04:39:04] | wagnerrp: | are you using someone else's internet? |
| [04:39:21] | wagnerrp: | namely... someone with comcast? |
| [04:39:35] | alakhia: | my neighbor's ... :-( |
| [04:39:56] | alakhia: | it's temporary until i get my dsl |
| [04:39:58] | wagnerrp: | anyway, broadcast TV is all digital |
| [04:40:28] | alakhia: | ok, so tuner card is useless? |
| [04:40:29] | wagnerrp: | meaning you need a digital tuner, and enough hard drive space for however many hours you want to record at ~2MB/s |
| [04:41:38] | wagnerrp: | youre going to average somewhere around 4–7GB/hr on HDTV, maybe 1.5GB/hr on standard definition stuff |
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| [04:41:58] | wagnerrp: | youre going to need a processor capable of decoding that, which means something better than an Atom |
| [04:42:10] | wagnerrp: | any mainstream amd64/core2duo will suffice |
| [04:42:19] | alakhia: | ok, so it won't be fanless either |
| [04:42:32] | wagnerrp: | you should really look at the Executive Overview on the wiki |
| [04:42:43] | wagnerrp: | why do you need fanless? |
| [04:43:02] | wagnerrp: | you can get a machine with large 92/120mm fans running at low RPM |
| [04:43:07] | alakhia: | ok |
| [04:43:07] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to hear them over the TV |
| [04:43:30] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you can put the computer in a different room and run long cables |
| [04:43:38] | wagnerrp: | a number of us do that |
| [04:43:52] | alakhia: | what about remote? |
| [04:44:21] | wagnerrp: | the mceusb2 compatible remotes are suggested |
| [04:44:43] | wagnerrp: | or you can pick up a usb-uirt2 which is a more generic receiver, and will require a separate remote |
| [04:44:54] | wagnerrp: | or you can build your own interfaced through a serial port |
| [04:46:23] | alakhia: | it is easy to get overwhelmed here |
| [04:46:52] | wagnerrp: | check out that executive overview, it will explain a lot of stuff |
| [04:47:27] | wagnerrp: | you need to read it, so you know what options you have available, and what you want to use now and may want to use in the future |
| [04:47:30] | alakhia: | off mythtv.org? I only see FAQ |
| [04:47:57] | wagnerrp: | knowing the capacity you want will let you size your machine appropriately, and then you can get to figuring out how to do it quietly |
| [04:48:20] | alakhia: | or "In detail" section? |
| [04:48:28] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [04:48:45] | alakhia: | i'm thinking 160MB is good enuf |
| [04:48:52] | wagnerrp: | GB? |
| [04:49:08] | alakhia: | ahh, yes, sorry |
| [04:49:22] | alakhia: | that will be about 100 hrs |
| [04:49:37] | wagnerrp: | the hell it will |
| [04:49:51] | wagnerrp: | that will be like 25 hours |
| [04:50:27] | alakhia: | oh, ok ... so maybe 320gb to 500gb is more like it |
| [04:50:56] | alakhia: | let me read the link you sent ... thanks for it |
| [04:51:15] | wagnerrp: | there is no reason to get anything less than 640–1000gb |
| [04:52:43] | wagnerrp: | the low end hard drives start at ~$40, and you basically get double the capacity for an extra $10 up to somewhere around 1.5TB drives |
| [04:53:11] | wagnerrp: | 1.5s can be frequently found for under $100, 1s can be found for ~$70 |
| [04:54:03] | wagnerrp: | 640s and 750s are usually ~$60 |
| [04:54:33] | alakhia: | wow, that's ridiculously cheap |
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| [04:55:14] | wagnerrp: | you dont really care about speed, just bulk, and most hardware is going to be fairly reliable with the kinds of loads mythtv is going to put on them |
| [04:55:36] | wagnerrp: | and the best price/gb right now is usually for the 1TB drives |
| [04:56:03] | wagnerrp: | somewhere around 7–8 cents/GB |
| [04:56:52] | wagnerrp: | below that, and theres just a minimum cost youre going to have for producing a hard drive |
| [04:57:09] | wagnerrp: | above that, and youre asking for newer technology thats going to call for a premium |
| [04:58:38] | wagnerrp: | looks like that overview on the wiki is a bit aged |
| [04:58:40] | alakhia: | ok, the exec summary is just talkign about a database running on a backend and a frontend that is driven by a remote |
| [04:59:04] | wagnerrp: | its saying the database, backend, and frontend are three completely independent parts of mythtv |
| [04:59:12] | wagnerrp: | they only need to be connected to network |
| [04:59:18] | wagnerrp: | you can have one or all of them on a single machine |
| [04:59:42] | alakhia: | right so now the question is what machine |
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| [05:01:06] | wagnerrp: | i should fill out that overview a bit more... it makes no mention of capture methods |
| [05:02:39] | wagnerrp: | well you want digital tv (since there is no other in the US any longer) so you want an ATSC tuner |
| [05:02:49] | wagnerrp: | one tuner? multiple tuners? |
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| [05:06:24] | alakhia: | i'm just starting out ... 1 is fine |
| [05:06:48] | wagnerrp: | thats not how you want to think about this |
| [05:06:57] | wagnerrp: | what *might* you want |
| [05:07:30] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to go buying some mini-itx system with one expansion slot, only to decide you want more a couple months down the line and cannot fit more tuners or hard drives |
| [05:09:34] | clever: | just use that as a diskless frontend |
| [05:09:45] | clever: | put all the drives/tuners in another room, in another box |
| [05:09:49] | alakhia: | ok, so with 2 i can have record two at the same time? |
| [05:10:30] | wagnerrp: | well if you just want recorded tv, i would suggest you get one of the low power AMDs, a decent microatx board from a name brand with an integrated 8200, and some antec or silverstone case |
| [05:11:21] | wagnerrp: | should give you 2xPCI and 2xPCIe to play with |
| [05:11:37] | alakhia: | ok |
| [05:11:39] | wagnerrp: | get a hard drive in the 640–1500GB range |
| [05:12:11] | wagnerrp: | tuner of your choice, ive got a HVR-1250, the pinnacle 800i's seem to be popular around here if you can find a deal on one |
| [05:13:00] | alakhia: | i have never built a machine on my own ... is it going to be easy to put this all together? |
| [05:13:12] | wagnerrp: | k-worlds work (except the 120 does not support QAM if you ever want to use digital cable), pchdtv cards work but tend to be pricey |
| [05:13:21] | alakhia: | all i have done is upgrade ram, swap hard drives |
| [05:13:55] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt be difficult, stuff that shouldnt go together wont fit together |
| [05:13:59] | wagnerrp: | just dont try to force anything |
| [05:14:04] | alakhia: | ok |
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| [05:15:01] | wagnerrp: | get an 80+ power supply, preferably one with a 120mm fan |
| [05:15:25] | wagnerrp: | dont go nuts on this, youll likely never draw more than 200W on this machine |
| [05:15:40] | wagnerrp: | 80%+ efficiency that is |
| [05:15:51] | wagnerrp: | look for ones branded '80 plus' |
| [05:16:23] | alakhia: | this is a lot of stuff to digest ... thanks for all your help |
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| [06:12:07] | juski: | since switching to an 80+ PSU I'm saving about 30W on a 2000XP system with Nvidia FX5200 & 3 HDDs :) |
| [06:12:24] | juski: | oh & 3 DVB-T tuner cards |
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| [06:58:32] | juski: | hmm. seems to be much more to this variable width button malarkey than first thought |
| [06:58:40] | juski: | deja vu! |
| [07:03:49] | anykey_: | juski: yeah, it's not as easy as I thought when I looked at it first. Did you make any progress? |
| [07:04:14] | juski: | not really |
| [07:04:44] | juski: | for some reason my code isn't making the size of the button the same as the text element width |
| [07:04:59] | juski: | the rest I can work around & figure out |
| [07:05:13] | anykey_: | so the button is too small/too big? |
| [07:05:48] | juski: | stays the same size no matter what, rather than making all the elements the same size |
| [07:06:43] | juski: | made a new method which iterates through a button's children & calls ExpandArea on em – which doesn't work |
| [07:07:08] | juski: | but if I reset the area to 0,0,0,0 it makes all the buttons' children 0 size |
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| [07:07:46] | juski: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/hack.diff |
| [07:08:34] | juski: | I might've just defined something the wrong way / in the wrong place I dunno. would help if I knew what I was doing |
| [07:08:46] | juski: | void MythUIType::CollapseArea(const MythRect &rect) |
| [07:08:52] | juski: | m_Area = rect; |
| [07:09:30] | mgisbers_away is now known as mgisbers | |
| [07:09:32] | juski: | if I change the line about to m_Area = MythRect (0,0,0,0); it'll successfully make the size of all buttons & their children 0 |
| [07:09:45] | juski: | at least as far as I can tell :) |
| [07:10:09] | juski: | so that bit seems to work |
| [07:10:51] | anykey_: | juski: m_Area is the right size? |
| [07:11:24] | juski: | should be, it's got from MythRect newArea = button->GetArea(); |
| [07:11:32] | juski: | button->CollapseArea(newArea); |
| [07:13:20] | juski: | I then pull it out into m_dWidth & spit it out of a VERBOSE but that is always reported as the button width as defined in the theme xml |
| [07:14:52] | anykey_: | maybe that is the problem? |
| [07:14:55] | juski: | the button positioning & calculation is visible items is all bollocks of course but those can be addressed when I fix the overall button width bit |
| [07:15:00] | juski: | that IS the problem! |
| [07:15:09] | juski: | but I don't know why it's happening |
| [07:16:34] | juski: | oh wait |
| [07:17:36] | juski: | if the area is reset to 0,0,0,0 in CollapseArea() first, then ExpandArea() *should* effectively expand the area to the biggest area of the child elements so maybe that part isn't working |
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| [07:19:06] | juski: | see CollapseArea() is just supposed to recursively call ExpandArea() on all the kids |
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| [07:22:09] | juski: | and in theory if a button is 100 pix wide but the (child) text element of the button is 150 wide, ExpandArea() should set the overall size to 150 wide |
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| [07:27:11] | juski: | wonder if I could cheat instead |
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| [07:29:59] | juski: | anykey_: you managed to work out how to mangle the textarea size.. surely you'd be able to work this out too :P |
| [07:30:58] | juski: | see if gbee has any ideas when he shows up |
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| [07:31:47] | anykey_: | surely I would, not now however, have to code for my employer ;) |
| [07:33:22] | ** juski never believes anybody who says 'not now, I'm at work' on *IRC* ;-) ** | |
| [07:34:40] | anykey_: | good point ;) |
| [07:38:58] | juski: | fis init |
| [07:39:03] | juski: | duh wrong window |
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| [07:41:19] | juski: | yet another unit that shat all over its own flash |
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| [07:46:31] | ServerSage: | juski: I'd argue, but I'm at work. |
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| [08:22:43] | mfar: | good morning, what qt package (debian/ubuntu) I need to compile mythtv? |
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| [08:24:26] | Dibblah: | use build-deps. |
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| [09:04:25] | juski: | whoah Disco Quest have listings today |
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| [09:05:26] | juski: | Ironside & mission impossible? WTF do they have to do with anything? LOL |
| [09:05:47] | juski: | old editions of MythBusters are worthy of having though :) |
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| [10:22:49] | dserban: | looks like ia32 libs doesn't provide libX11.so.6 anymore? |
| [10:23:09] | dserban: | if that's the case, how do I ... add it? for 32bit programs? |
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| [10:34:00] | laga: | ask your distribution |
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| [13:14:39] | gbee: | ugh, 30 in the shade |
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| [13:19:54] | jduggan: | gbee: ugh? you mean unF? |
| [13:19:57] | jduggan: | ;] |
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| [13:20:20] | thickinit: | I just installed mythtv in ubuntu, left all the passwords blank |
| [13:20:35] | thickinit: | now I go to run mythtv, and it can't connect to the database |
| [13:20:38] | thickinit: | what is wrong with this? |
| [13:23:56] | gbee: | jduggan: 86F :) |
| [13:24:17] | jduggan: | gbee: hehe |
| [13:24:28] | jduggan: | we moan when its cold, then moan when its hot |
| [13:24:28] | jduggan: | :) |
| [13:25:01] | gbee: | don't mind the cold too much, but the heat saps energy |
| [13:25:30] | juski: | don't mind the heat if it's sunny to go with it |
| [13:25:42] | juski: | (and I'm not stuck at work)( |
| [13:25:45] | gbee: | I'd be happy with a year round 21C, or upto 28C with a cool breeze |
| [13:26:09] | gbee: | actually it's the humidity that's the real killer atm |
| [13:26:24] | sphery: | gbee: are you still using Mandriva on any of your Myth boxes with trunk/Qt4.5? Seen #6683 ? |
| [13:26:51] | gbee: | sphery: aye, I've not seen that problem, no idea what he's broken |
| [13:27:03] | sphery: | did your versions look similar? |
| [13:27:07] | ** juski wonders how the hell these people keep managing to kill their DVR machines so expertly ** | |
| [13:27:23] | sphery: | he tried qt4-database-plugin-mysql 4.5.2 and 4.5.0 |
| [13:28:00] | sphery: | didn't say what Qt version, but I'm assuming it would do the same version as the Qt-MySQL drivers |
| [13:28:33] | sphery: | and is "mandriva-current" some development/testing repo? |
| [13:28:46] | gbee: | 4.5.2 isn't in the official repo, sounds like he's running the unstable cooker repos |
| [13:29:26] | gbee: | which are expected to be very broken most of the time |
| [13:29:41] | sphery: | heh, that must be it |
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| [13:32:33] | juski: | mnggggg the guy who keeps breaking his machine & bringing it back seems to think it's funny. I wonder how funny it'll be when he's suspended from the ceiling upside down & all he can hear is the revving of a chainsaw |
| [13:33:51] | jduggan: | if i kept breaking a product and taking it back i would probably find an alternative :) |
| [13:34:10] | juski: | he has no choice..he works here :P |
| [13:34:15] | jduggan: | ah |
| [13:34:16] | jduggan: | lol |
| [13:35:04] | juski: | oh but he didn't do anything,honest...so when I manage to look at the unit over FTP I find a failed upgrade attempt with the files in weird places... |
| [13:37:01] | thickinit: | why does mythtv respond to my mouse, but I cannot see the cursor? |
| [13:37:03] | thickinit: | is this a feature? |
| [13:37:20] | juski: | hides the mouse cursor by default |
| [13:37:41] | juski: | it's not meant to be a 'desktop' app really |
| [13:37:42] | thickinit: | what's wrong with a mouse cursor disappearing after a certain time |
| [13:37:50] | thickinit: | like most good video playing applications |
| [13:38:05] | juski: | because nobody coded it that way, that's why |
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| [13:38:13] | thickinit: | This is the most onerous setup process for any application I have ever used |
| [13:38:32] | juski: | nobody's forcing you to use it :) |
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| [13:41:13] | gbee: | because mythtv is not a desktop application ... not sure what's so hard to understand about that |
| [13:41:54] | gbee: | it responds to a mouse for touchscreen users mostly (although even then, not really until 0.22) |
| [13:42:03] | stoth: | thank you to all who helped yesterday with the 9.04 / vdpau questions I had. Long story short I ended up building mplayer from scratch, tweaking the ./mplayer/config and with a minor adjustment to the mythtv frontend media player command line my CPU went from 90+% to 3% playing 720p mkv's. Much happiness in the Toth household. Whether it's long term stable, well, thanks another matter but it certainly looks impressive so far. |
| [13:42:58] | gbee: | mplayer? not internal? |
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| [13:43:27] | gbee: | meh, too hot to care |
| [13:44:45] | juski: | time to set the vid for 'you have been watching' methinks |
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| [13:45:34] | gbee: | hmm, Outer Limits unfortunately has no re-watch value, it's whole appeal is the twist ending and when that's no longer a surprise you are just left with the cheap sets and dodgy dialog |
| [13:46:33] | juski: | oh noes it conflicts with Torchpoo. Oh well. Crank up the priority of 'You Have Been Watching' |
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| [13:53:16] | stoth: | gbee: mplayer is good enough, I'll switch to internal when .22 eventually hits the streets. |
| [13:57:11] | juski: | think I'd rather people desperate to get VDPAU use mplayer than some dodgy port or other ;) |
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| [14:11:11] | Shadow__X: | hey stoth |
| [14:11:28] | Shadow__X: | are the nag emails becoming too much i can wait longer inbetween em |
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| [14:12:55] | stoth: | no, I've actually started the work. |
| [14:14:04] | Shadow__X: | oh ok glad to hear i know you actually have a life so i dont want to become annoiying |
| [14:14:25] | stoth: | Oh, I never said you weren't annoying ;) |
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| [14:16:36] | Shadow__X: | of course |
| [14:21:55] | Shadow__X: | could someone tell me if i could get 2 dch 320's connected to each other |
| [14:22:18] | wagnerrp: | cable boxes connected to each other? for what purpose? |
| [14:22:26] | Shadow__X: | i found the firwire cable box compatibility on the wiki but it doesnt talk about 2 people having a 3200 |
| [14:22:47] | Shadow__X: | so i can record over firewire sorry missed that i think i am going braindead |
| [14:22:59] | stoth: | I had issues with 2 STB's and back to back firewire. |
| [14:23:10] | Shadow__X: | on which stb |
| [14:23:16] | wagnerrp: | oh, you mean daisy chaining through them |
| [14:23:27] | wagnerrp: | forgot firewire was designed to do that |
| [14:23:36] | stoth: | 4250's, daisy chaning on on different firewire hubs. |
| [14:24:03] | stoth: | daisy chaining _OR_ on different hubs. |
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| [14:26:02] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [14:26:27] | Shadow__X: | i know iamlindoro has 2 stb over firewire but i dont know how he has em connected |
| [14:26:32] | Shadow__X: | i would need to daisy chain |
| [14:27:50] | wagnerrp: | only one port? |
| [14:27:55] | wagnerrp: | no room for a card? |
| [14:28:40] | Shadow__X: | nope matx board |
| [14:29:02] | wagnerrp: | so this is a combined unit then? |
| [14:29:06] | Shadow__X: | yup |
| [14:29:12] | Shadow__X: | fe/be |
| [14:29:23] | Shadow__X: | i have one slot left but i rather daisy chain |
| [14:30:04] | Shadow__X: | i guess its not really upto me its upto the boxes if they decide to work |
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| [16:04:52] | bobodan: | hallo ;) , ist der channel generell englisch oder spricht auch jemand deutsch |
| [16:05:22] | gbee: | #mythtv-de |
| [16:05:44] | bobodan: | ok sorry hab ich übersehen |
| [16:06:43] | ** kormoc thinks bobodan's 'english' is better then half the people in here ;) ** | |
| [16:06:49] | CyberKnet: | word |
| [16:08:03] | bobodan: | ok also englisch ??? better english? |
| [16:09:36] | gbee: | english only here |
| [16:09:53] | kormoc: | Ich bildete einen Witz über, wie Leute nicht so gut innen hier schreiben |
| [16:10:21] | gbee: | kormoc: certainly better than my German, which is a language I've never learnt |
| [16:10:50] | bobodan: | ok ... i try .. ;) |
| [16:13:56] | CyberKnet: | That also is more than most do around here. |
| [16:15:47] | bobodan: | I'm using mythbuntu with a backendserver and fat clients as frontend ... for watching videos and listen music I'm using nfs for dataconnection ... so my question is why using nfs if the tv was transfered another way ... i like to transfer music video and pics the same way tv does ... is that possible ... and how does it work ... |
| [16:16:19] | sphery: | bobodan: not possible without your patches to add the functionality |
| [16:16:36] | sphery: | (actually trunk has the basics of streaming support for MythVideo, but it's not yet done) |
| [16:17:21] | sphery: | the plan is to eventually allow all music/videos/images to be streamed across the network, like TV can be |
| [16:17:48] | sphery: | until then, though, you'll need to use network file systems to make the frontend plugin data available on each frontend |
| [16:18:29] | gbee: | bobodan: simply, the feature has not been written yet, but it might be ready for 0.22 |
| [16:19:07] | bobodan: | ok thanks for your help ... ;) |
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| [16:37:12] | CyberKnet: | gbe: then again, holographic television capture and display 'might be ready for 0.22' :P |
| [16:40:03] | RDV_Linux: | meshe: I have release the script that downloads Scheduled and Recorded graphics which compliments iamlindoro's Watched Recordings screen of the Graphite theme. I added it as a new option of Jamu see (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu#Scheduled_and_Recorded) |
| [16:40:47] | gbee: | heh, well GreyFoxx had already done a lot of the work, but we've all been too busy lately to get any further |
| [16:41:44] | RDV_Linux: | gbee: Are you referring to my comment to meshe? |
| [16:44:51] | sphery: | I really wonder why #6621 is still open. It's not like we're going to libdvdnav to work with ISO9660 filesystems (as DVD's are required by the spec to use UDF filesystems). |
| [16:44:52] | gbee: | RDV_Linux: no, CyberKnet |
| [16:45:04] | sphery: | s/to libdvdnav/to patch libdvdnav/ |
| [16:45:22] | gbee: | sphery: so close it |
| [16:45:33] | sphery: | I have not permissions... |
| [16:45:39] | sphery: | s/not/no/ |
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| [16:45:50] | sphery: | I'm typing very poorly, now. |
| [16:45:52] | gbee: | bah, thought you had |
| [16:45:53] | sphery: | too much perl |
| [16:46:10] | RDV_Linux: | Good I would not want to waste any ones efforts. |
| [16:48:17] | gbee: | sphery: I might borrow that excuse |
| [16:48:22] | sphery: | gbee: if you were to change #6621 to the proper component/owner (MythVideo/anduin), I'll bet he'll close it really quickly. |
| [16:49:00] | sphery: | oh, and if you do, thanks... some tickets just bother me |
| [16:49:24] | sphery: | nvm... you closed it. thanks |
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| [16:54:22] | dustybin: | is it worth using RAID at home? RAID is _NOT_ backup, RAID is for redundancy, to keep a server online etc. is using RAID at home a waste of HD .ie. RAID 5 / 6 |
| [16:54:43] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [16:54:53] | kormoc: | What are you after? |
| [16:55:06] | dustybin: | well, i want to buy 4x 2TB HDs |
| [16:55:19] | dustybin: | if i use RAID 5, i will lose a HD |
| [16:55:32] | dustybin: | is there really any point in using RAID at home |
| [16:55:37] | kormoc: | Depends |
| [16:55:45] | dustybin: | i dont mind if my server goes offline |
| [16:55:46] | kormoc: | If you lose a drive, do you care if the data is safe? |
| [16:55:53] | GreyFoxx: | If you don't care about the data dont use raid |
| [16:55:53] | dustybin: | RAID is not for backup |
| [16:55:54] | kormoc: | if you lose two drives? what about three? |
| [16:56:01] | dustybin: | i will backup my data |
| [16:56:06] | GreyFoxx: | If I lost a TB+ of data I'd be pissed |
| [16:56:14] | GreyFoxx: | so I use raid |
| [16:56:21] | ** kormoc peers at his 3 way raid 1 ** | |
| [16:56:24] | GreyFoxx: | I'd rathdr loose a disk of space than the data |
| [16:56:25] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: do you not backup your data ? |
| [16:56:27] | sid3windr: | I use raid everywhere |
| [16:56:31] | gbee: | sphery: technically I suppose the correct component would have been DVD playback – skamithi |
| [16:56:35] | sid3windr: | dustybin: do you back up your TB's hourly? |
| [16:56:38] | kormoc: | I do backups + raid |
| [16:56:45] | GreyFoxx: | dustybin: Data yes, videos no |
| [16:56:51] | GreyFoxx: | it's just too big |
| [16:56:57] | dustybin: | so what is the problem with no RAID + backups ? |
| [16:57:02] | GreyFoxx: | and I'd be pissed if I lost it because I was cheap |
| [16:57:23] | GreyFoxx: | backups/restoration take a LONG time when you are talking terabytes of data |
| [16:57:24] | sid3windr: | a lot of lost time. |
| [16:57:32] | dustybin: | right ok |
| [16:57:33] | GreyFoxx: | The simple cost of a single drive is cheap |
| [16:57:50] | dustybin: | 2TB drives are not cheap.. |
| [16:57:54] | kormoc: | sure they are |
| [16:58:07] | kormoc: | compared to drives a few years ago, they're pennies per gig |
| [16:58:13] | sid3windr: | indeed |
| [16:58:14] | kormoc: | I remember when it was hundreds of dollars per meg |
| [16:58:20] | dustybin: | i want to buy this cage for my future server, it can hold 4 HDs |
| [16:58:21] | dustybin: | http://www.chilledpc.co.uk/shop/product_info. . . . ucts_id=1220 |
| [16:58:21] | sid3windr: | do you really need more than 6TB storage? |
| [16:58:22] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [16:58:38] | dustybin: | sid3windr: good point, but with upcoming HD, i might |
| [16:58:43] | kormoc: | sid3windr, he has a very boring pron collection |
| [16:58:49] | dustybin: | :P |
| [16:58:52] | sid3windr: | I use a similar cage (well more than one of them) |
| [16:58:55] | kormoc: | 300+ minutes of story, 10 minutes of action |
| [16:58:55] | sid3windr: | but it does 5-in-3 |
| [16:59:06] | sid3windr: | that's more case space efficient ;) |
| [16:59:09] | laga: | 5-in-3 does not sound like boring porn |
| [16:59:13] | sid3windr: | of course it would mean a 5 port sata controller |
| [16:59:13] | gbee: | per gig sure, but total cost ... maybe I AM cheap or more likely I just don't value recordings that highly (music yes, but not recordings) |
| [16:59:18] | sid3windr: | which mean s8 port ;) |
| [16:59:20] | sid3windr: | laga: haha =) |
| [16:59:22] | dustybin: | is it possible to run 2x RAID configurations on the same box? (using linux RAID) |
| [16:59:25] | GreyFoxx: | One of the guys at work as 3 seperate file servers at home with 5x1.5TB in each |
| [16:59:26] | sid3windr: | yes. |
| [16:59:31] | dustybin: | oh ace |
| [16:59:32] | GreyFoxx: | and a 4th on the way |
| [16:59:38] | kormoc: | dustybin, yes |
| [16:59:43] | sid3windr: | linux does raid per partition |
| [16:59:46] | sid3windr: | so you can do whatever you want |
| [16:59:46] | sid3windr: | even 1TB in RAID5 and the rst without raid or whatever :) |
| [16:59:49] | kormoc: | and you can even next them, raid your raids |
| [16:59:57] | sid3windr: | raiders of the lost disk |
| [17:00:15] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [17:00:38] | dustybin: | i need to write some figures down |
| [17:00:50] | kormoc: | it's actually fairly common to do, it's how you get raid 1+0 / 5+0 / etc |
| [17:00:54] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [17:01:06] | sid3windr: | circle, triangle, cube, rectangle |
| [17:01:12] | sid3windr: | are thouse the figures you were looking for? |
| [17:01:12] | kormoc: | It's a plane! |
| [17:01:20] | kormoc: | No... it's a cow! |
| [17:01:32] | Essobi: | OH NOEWS! |
| [17:02:09] | dustybin: | this look juicy |
| [17:02:12] | dustybin: | http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product0 . . . ;ss_index=12 |
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| [17:03:26] | ** CyberKnet is not looking forward to the expense of upgrading his array from 4x250gb to 4x1.5tb ** | |
| [17:03:33] | dustybin: | i have 4 spare 5.25 bays on my box |
| [17:03:54] | dustybin: | lian li have a cage what takes up 2 bays, and can hold 3 HDs |
| [17:03:58] | dustybin: | maybe i should get 2 of those :D |
| [17:04:07] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, so that's why you upgrade to 4x2tb |
| [17:04:25] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: So that it costs even more still? |
| [17:04:32] | dustybin: | 6x 2TB = 12TB = RAID 5 = 10TB storage :D |
| [17:04:47] | laga: | dustybin: interesting use of the = operator |
| [17:04:54] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: Actually, I had considered going 2x2tb mirrored, and then later adding 2 more 2tb and converting to striped |
| [17:05:21] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: Only problem there is that my escalade 9500S-4LP doesn't support direct conversion from Raid 1 to Raid 5 |
| [17:05:34] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: So it's a 2 step process. |
| [17:05:45] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [17:05:53] | CyberKnet: | would be great if it did support converting directly from Raid 1 to Raid 5 |
| [17:05:57] | kormoc: | nor does it support growing online iirc? |
| [17:05:57] | dustybin: | my god, all i need is 2 of these |
| [17:05:59] | dustybin: | http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product0 . . . x=12&g=f |
| [17:06:33] | sid3windr: | get an areca then and sell the 3ware on ebay overpriced :p |
| [17:06:35] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: Yes, online raid expansion is supported by the 9500S |
| [17:06:47] | kormoc: | ahh, that's not too bad |
| [17:07:01] | sid3windr: | expansion yes, but not for a raid1 to a raid5 .. |
| [17:07:11] | sid3windr: | you can grow a 3 disk raid5 to a 4 disk |
| [17:07:17] | CyberKnet: | sid3windr: If I could get enough out of the 3ware card that I only had to put in a hundred or so, then I would think about it if the areca supported Raid1->Raid5 |
| [17:07:27] | sid3windr: | areca does online migration |
| [17:07:34] | sid3windr: | and does it beautifully :) |
| [17:07:34] | CyberKnet: | sid3windr: Yep, and I've done that with the 9500S-4LP before. It's slow, but it works. |
| [17:07:36] | GreyFoxx: | dustybin: I like the ICY-DOCK bays myself |
| [17:07:43] | sid3windr: | (icy box) |
| [17:07:46] | CyberKnet: | sid3windr: Areca does from 1 to 5? |
| [17:07:47] | sid3windr: | or what's an icy dock :) |
| [17:07:50] | sid3windr: | CyberKnet: yes |
| [17:07:53] | janneg: | linux md can create a raid5 with only 2 devices |
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| [17:08:00] | sid3windr: | or well I tink think it does |
| [17:08:01] | CyberKnet: | sid3windr: dang. That's compelling. |
| [17:08:03] | sid3windr: | i've only done 5–6 and 6–5 |
| [17:08:09] | sid3windr: | but I don't see why it wouldn't |
| [17:08:10] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [17:08:23] | CyberKnet: | what model? |
| [17:08:26] | sid3windr: | any |
| [17:08:29] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: i will take a look :D |
| [17:08:32] | sid3windr: | except the 2-port |
| [17:08:38] | sid3windr: | they all have the same driver/firmware/utils |
| [17:08:41] | CyberKnet: | pfst. Who wants 2 port? |
| [17:08:51] | sid3windr: | I do |
| [17:08:54] | sid3windr: | I have the 2-port in my desktop =) |
| [17:09:07] | CyberKnet: | I suppose. Only good for Raid 0 and 1 though, isn't it? |
| [17:09:10] | sid3windr: | it replaced a 9500S-4LP and blew it away in performance |
| [17:09:19] | sid3windr: | yea, obviously not enough connectors for a RAID5 ;) |
| [17:09:23] | CyberKnet: | right. |
| [17:09:32] | sid3windr: | also has the same firmware/utils/drivers as the rest |
| [17:09:39] | ** CyberKnet looks to find out what the 4 port arecas cost ** | |
| [17:09:39] | sid3windr: | they' re all swell :) |
| [17:09:39] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [17:09:54] | Dibblah: | 2 ports are plenty for RAID. |
| [17:10:04] | sid3windr: | I should really be getting money from areca |
| [17:10:05] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [17:10:21] | Dibblah: | 10 disks are too few for RAID10? |
| [17:10:45] | GreyFoxx: | dustybin: We use lots of these at work http://www.icydock.com/product/mb455spf.html |
| [17:11:47] | CyberKnet: | 499 for 8 port. 299 for 4 port. Cheaper than 3ware, but I don't think I'd get 299 for my 9500S-4LP, even overpriced on ebay |
| [17:12:09] | sid3windr: | heh |
| [17:12:12] | sid3windr: | I think I sold mine for 50 |
| [17:12:34] | sid3windr: | 2 port areca still was 110 :p |
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| [17:12:39] | sid3windr: | but I'm never by |
| [17:12:47] | sid3windr: | *buying 3ware again :p |
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| [17:13:18] | GreyFoxx: | my last array began as 2 drives in a "broken" raid 5 with a missing drive. then each pay I'd pick up another drive , grow the array and grow the FS |
| [17:13:38] | GreyFoxx: | made for an easier payout than buying all at once |
| [17:14:08] | sid3windr: | which fs do you use? |
| [17:14:12] | GreyFoxx: | xfs |
| [17:14:15] | sid3windr: | I like how xfs grows in 5s |
| [17:14:16] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [17:14:17] | sid3windr: | same here |
| [17:14:35] | kormoc: | I have two 500's and a t sitting on my desk, I need to start swapping out disks and migrating up |
| [17:14:55] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: I've gotta replace a lot of them that are way out of warranty |
| [17:15:07] | sid3windr: | why is that? |
| [17:15:11] | GreyFoxx: | So I'm gonna start a new box which will replace them all |
| [17:15:28] | sid3windr: | isn't it cheaper to buy a new one when one out of warranty dies? :p |
| [17:15:30] | GreyFoxx: | sid3windr: I want more space, and I don't like using drives that have been out over warranty for over ayear |
| [17:15:50] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [17:15:57] | GreyFoxx: | by replace I do not mean replace with an identical size :) |
| [17:16:00] | sid3windr: | I wish I could afford that luxury ;) |
| [17:16:03] | sid3windr: | yes |
| [17:16:08] | sid3windr: | it's still cheaper the longer you wait |
| [17:16:12] | sid3windr: | or at least more size :p |
| [17:16:16] | GreyFoxx: | everytghing is |
| [17:16:23] | GreyFoxx: | if I wait for cheaper forever I buy nothing |
| [17:16:39] | sid3windr: | I didn't say forever, I said wait until it actually dies =) |
| [17:16:40] | GreyFoxx: | you can always say it will be cheaper/faster/small in "a couple months" |
| [17:16:44] | GreyFoxx: | No way |
| [17:16:59] | GreyFoxx: | I'd rather replace not and either give away or kijiji it off |
| [17:17:05] | GreyFoxx: | s/not/now |
| [17:17:10] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [17:17:17] | sid3windr: | I'll send you my address for your old disks |
| [17:17:19] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [17:18:05] | GreyFoxx: | Hmm I think i shall take my kid to the museum |
| [17:18:09] | GreyFoxx: | later :) |
| [17:18:12] | CyberKnet: | later |
| [17:18:14] | sid3windr: | hah |
| [17:18:19] | sid3windr: | way to avoid! |
| [17:18:20] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [17:18:21] | sid3windr: | hf |
| [17:18:26] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [17:18:40] | sid3windr: | poor kid though, I didn't like museums when I was young(er). |
| [17:18:48] | GreyFoxx: | mineLOVES it |
| [17:18:53] | GreyFoxx: | and has been bugging me for weeks :) |
| [17:18:59] | sid3windr: | neato |
| [17:19:05] | ** GreyFoxx goes ** | |
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| [17:21:36] | Megaf: | hi all, id like some help please. Im attempting to rum mythtv-setup here, but im getting some errors. |
| [17:21:47] | Megaf: | illgive you the pastebin link |
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| [17:22:45] | Megaf: | http://pastebin.com/m1274bd0e |
| [17:22:47] | Megaf: | there you are |
| [17:23:07] | Megaf: | Dibblah, can you help me? |
| [17:23:23] | sphery: | So I'm sold on Amazon's preorder price guarantee. I preordered Stargate Atlantis season 5 on Apr 8 for $34.99. On the release date it was $32.49, but some time in between it was $31.99. So, I got it for $31.99. |
| [17:23:44] | kormoc: | snaz |
| [17:23:45] | sphery: | and since they don't charge until they ship it, there's no reason not to preorder if you know you're buying it from them |
| [17:23:49] | Megaf: | maybe you stuarta |
| [17:23:58] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [17:24:16] | kormoc: | sphery, add in amazon prime, and it's a win/win ;) |
| [17:24:43] | sphery: | Megaf: # |
| [17:24:44] | sphery: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [17:24:49] | Dibblah: | Megaf: Stop picking names. |
| [17:24:49] | sphery: | fix your mysql config |
| [17:24:58] | Megaf: | Dibblah, lol |
| [17:25:06] | Megaf: | stop bothering me |
| [17:25:07] | kormoc: | Megaf, it's not a laughing matter... |
| [17:25:10] | sphery: | Megaf: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [17:25:13] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [17:25:44] | ** stuarta wonders if it's a full moon again ** | |
| [17:25:45] | sphery: | kormoc: haven't signed up for prime... it's just the free fast shipping, right? |
| [17:25:47] | Megaf: | ill read sphery thanks |
| [17:25:51] | Dibblah: | Megaf: Yeah, that'll get you helped a whole lot quicker. |
| [17:26:24] | sphery: | he got his one freebie |
| [17:26:33] | sphery: | from now on, I'll be watching before answering |
| [17:26:34] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah, free 2 day shipping on any order size, rather then requiring the $25 min order, for single dvd's/book's, it's quite nice |
| [17:26:42] | sphery: | cool |
| [17:27:14] | sphery: | guess if the lowest price dropped to $24.99 and they charged me $5 shipping, I'd be rather upset |
| [17:27:15] | kormoc: | I bought a bike though them, free shipping on that too, that paid for itself :) |
| [17:27:24] | sphery: | nice |
| [17:27:57] | sphery: | I generally just wait until I want to buy enough stuff that it's > $25, but I never considered the possibility of the season of DVD's dropping below $25 |
| [17:28:17] | stuarta: | oh word of advice, don't use super saver delivery in the week before valentines day |
| [17:28:28] | kormoc: | 3 months later? |
| [17:28:28] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:28:33] | stuarta: | all i wanted was a fecking mysql book |
| [17:28:38] | stuarta: | took 2 bloody weeks |
| [17:28:50] | sphery: | stuarta: why? kormoc hangs out here and you don't have to use his index to find stuff |
| [17:28:52] | stuarta: | then someone else in the office ordered one |
| [17:29:12] | stuarta: | why what? mysql book? |
| [17:29:19] | sphery: | yeah, kormoc is my mysql book |
| [17:29:35] | stuarta: | this one is "High Performance MySQL" |
| [17:29:55] | stuarta: | i can already do the rest quite happily |
| [17:30:04] | ** kormoc is certified by MySQL in High Performance ** | |
| [17:30:20] | ** stuarta is running cross-replicated mysql masters :) ** | |
| [17:30:25] | sphery: | yeah, getting that from him may have required a lot of typing, so I understand buying it |
| [17:30:29] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [17:30:48] | SHADOW_V: | i have a high performance 5sp |
| [17:30:49] | stuarta: | which i'm getting sick of |
| [17:30:56] | kormoc: | I've always hated round-robin/multi master setups, way too flaky on handling recovery states on |
| [17:31:01] | stuarta: | yeah |
| [17:31:15] | stuarta: | i'll move to either drbd or gfs backed storage |
| [17:31:20] | stuarta: | and a single master |
| [17:32:22] | ** stuarta feeds the mice powering the restore more cheese ** | |
| [17:32:23] | kormoc: | stuarta, I have to say, everything I learned in the MySQL High Performance training program I already knew, or didn't apply to my last job, 22 tb of data, certain tables had over 1 billion rows in it, so while I hope it's not true, I wouldn't expect much from the book |
| [17:33:23] | stuarta: | it does explain quite well why you would or wouldn't use various options and how the affect your data integrity vs speed |
| [17:33:46] | kormoc: | True... I already knew most of then, but then, I may not be typical |
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| [17:33:57] | stuarta: | not many have DB's like that |
| [17:34:02] | stuarta: | on mysql anyway |
| [17:35:13] | stuarta: | we've only got a mere 50Gb |
| [17:36:41] | stuarta: | kormoc: isbn 978-0-596-10171–8 if interested |
| [17:37:37] | kormoc: | Ahh, the percona guys! You iirc, most of that stuff is covered in their blog :) |
| [17:38:38] | stuarta: | probably, in this case i felt the book was actually worth it |
| [17:38:43] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [17:38:51] | stuarta: | i don't normally bother as they are out of date when you get them |
| [17:38:53] | kormoc: | I like the blog, it's always good stuff |
| [17:39:14] | stuarta: | oh, and blogs tend to be blocked by the web filter :( |
| [17:39:19] | kormoc: | aww |
| [17:41:45] | stuarta: | i suppose you used a fairly recent mysql? |
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| [18:07:23] | jduggan: | win 13 |
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| [18:19:48] | wagnerrp: | does amazon prime work with all sales? or just those sold directly from amazon? |
| [18:20:07] | Shadow__X: | i like to believe only ones directly through amazon |
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| [18:21:33] | wagnerrp: | just wondering about that hddvdboxsets.com stuff, usually the shipping on those is $2-$4 and takes 1–2 weeks |
| [18:22:03] | wagnerrp: | but theyre all third party sellers through amazon |
| [18:22:32] | sphery: | The program is limited to products sold by Amazon.com and by third-party merchants participating in the Fulfillment by Amazon program. |
| [18:22:45] | sphery: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/displa . . . mp;#eligible |
| [18:23:26] | wagnerrp: | might have been worth it to look into that a couple weeks ago |
| [18:23:43] | sphery: | or if nothing else, tried the 30-day free trial :) |
| [18:23:49] | wagnerrp: | would have been really nice two days ago |
| [18:23:50] | sphery: | $79/yr seems steep to me |
| [18:23:59] | wagnerrp: | i would have to open a new account to get another free trial |
| [18:24:09] | sphery: | that's like 4 Schedules Direct subscriptions |
| [18:24:27] | wagnerrp: | i tried... bought a new UPS, and 2-day shipping was $45 |
| [18:24:41] | wagnerrp: | whereas the free shipping comes some time mid july |
| [18:24:48] | sphery: | wow |
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| [18:25:11] | sphery: | guess when you have to do $45 shipping, it's worth considering |
| [18:25:24] | wagnerrp: | i opted for the free shipping |
| [18:25:25] | sphery: | since the rest of your orders for a year wuold get it |
| [18:25:32] | wagnerrp: | but getting it tomorrow would have been nice |
| [18:25:37] | sphery: | ahh... That's what I would have done. |
| [18:25:45] | sphery: | (well, except for getting an UPS :) |
| [18:25:55] | sphery: | which one did you get? |
| [18:26:07] | wagnerrp: | cyberpower 1250 |
| [18:26:13] | wagnerrp: | on sale for $100 |
| [18:26:24] | sphery: | all I've ever gotten have caused more problems than they've solved. :( |
| [18:26:52] | wagnerrp: | ive got a 900 sitting on my desktop currently |
| [18:27:02] | wagnerrp: | never given me problems, aside from the crappy annoying software |
| [18:27:02] | sphery: | and here--probably because of the number of power spikes/surges/dips--the batteries barely last a year |
| [18:27:05] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,will that get ruined after brownouts |
| [18:27:28] | wagnerrp: | ruined? |
| [18:27:51] | Shadow__X: | messed up |
| [18:27:58] | Shadow__X: | break |
| [18:28:18] | wagnerrp: | not that ive noticed, but i havent had any serious brownouts in years |
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| [18:28:57] | wagnerrp: | i think ive had maybe 3 blackouts since i installed these things years ago |
| [18:29:03] | MrDragon: | Hey |
| [18:30:12] | MrDragon: | I'm using WinDVR 3 with a crappy USB 2.0 TV Box adapter, I was having trouble finding a supported hardware list and was wondering if anyone could help |
| [18:30:34] | sphery: | supported capture card hardware for Myth? linuxtv.org |
| [18:31:34] | sphery: | basically, if it's supported in V4L, it's supported in Myth (with a couple of exceptions for extremely new drivers that still have some bugs, like the analog capture driver for the HVR-1800, IIRC) |
| [18:31:38] | juski: | mythtv doesn't support hardware as such :) |
| [18:31:48] | wagnerrp: | well it supports the HDHR |
| [18:31:49] | juski: | if it ain't worky in linux, it won't work in mythtv |
| [18:31:59] | sphery: | MrDragon: see http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page for easy access to what works... Under Hardware Device Information |
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| [18:32:31] | meloam: | hey all, did nvidia ever fix their TV-overscan stuff with the 180-series drivers? |
| [18:33:05] | wagnerrp: | there is nothing to fix, they just outright removed overscan controls |
| [18:33:20] | meloam: | I kinda found that to be a regression :) |
| [18:33:20] | RDV_Linux: | meloam: No |
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| [18:33:49] | wagnerrp: | my 8400 with no overscan control still looks FAR better than my 6200 properly sized |
| [18:34:02] | meloam: | pisses me off. I bought a new card to use vdpau with, then find out the drivers stripped out overscan, so I lose a ton of the screen |
| [18:34:02] | MrDragon: | Thanks |
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| [18:34:15] | wagnerrp: | meloam: use mythtv's overscan controls |
| [18:34:25] | meloam: | wagnerrp, I wouldn't mind it except I like to play emulators on it, and most (all) of them don't have overscan controls |
| [18:35:02] | RDV_Linux: | meloam: If you use Gnome, then you can create panels on all four sides scaled to the amount of your overscan. Works for me. |
| [18:35:27] | meloam: | RDV_Linux, wow, that's an amazing idea, I never thought of that before |
| [18:36:04] | wagnerrp: | you can also set up a custom modeline to reduce the used screen size to where you want it |
| [18:36:12] | wagnerrp: | but thats going to be quite a bit more difficult |
| [18:37:03] | RDV_Linux: | I have five panels, 4 for overscan and one for the gnome widgets. For me that meant two panels at the top of the screen. |
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| [18:39:27] | CGI213: | I am reading the mythtv wiki. If you want to use HDTV with over the air broadcast is there any option besides a getting a seperate playback card. Is there a video playback card the includes a digital tuner? Thanks. |
| [18:39:27] | juski: | hey did someone bust their brain making the GUI resizing wizzy thing for nothing? :-O |
| [18:39:41] | juski: | CGI213: in a word, no |
| [18:39:54] | juski: | in 2 words, no way |
| [18:40:14] | wagnerrp: | there is probably an ATI card with a digital tuner, but the ATI AIW cards never had functional linux support |
| [18:40:39] | wagnerrp: | and are going to end up costing more than a discrete video card and tuner anyway |
| [18:40:44] | juski: | 2 more words, still no :) |
| [18:41:06] | CGI213: | o.k. thanks for the answer. Just out of curiousity, back when dvrs were primarily designed for analog didn't the card do both functions. |
| [18:41:14] | cesman: | actually, AIW (older models, don't know about the latest) work with GATOS (gatos.sf.net). |
| [18:41:22] | juski: | only the PVR350 ever did |
| [18:41:35] | juski: | but that wasn't much cop for anything other than mpeg2 |
| [18:41:40] | cesman: | the problem is that no AIW card is supported w/ V4L/DVB |
| [18:42:05] | CGI213: | and then you need and addtional card if you want output to a computer monitor? |
| [18:42:19] | Shadow__X: | yes |
| [18:42:22] | cesman: | a video card outputs to your monitor |
| [18:42:22] | juski: | and that ^^ problem is caused by a lack of chipset information & a general lack of openness on the part of ATI |
| [18:42:41] | cesman: | a "tuner" card "captures" the "stream" |
| [18:42:49] | Shadow__X: | juski,is nvidia more open? |
| [18:43:05] | wagnerrp: | nvidia is actually less open than the current ati |
| [18:43:16] | wagnerrp: | but at least they have functional proprietary drivers and APIs |
| [18:43:19] | juski: | nope not at all, but then they didn't exactly go crazy with silly all-in-one VGA/tuner cards |
| [18:43:42] | juski: | which hardly even worked properly in windows damnit |
| [18:44:13] | cesman: | nvidia did have "all-in-one" cards (just a model or two), while the video would work w/ Linux, the capture component did not (last I looked... several years now) |
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| [18:44:44] | juski: | yeah they used some no-mark video capture chips or other |
| [18:45:41] | wagnerrp: | were they tuner cards? or just capture cards? |
| [18:45:53] | wagnerrp: | i remember the VIVO cards, but i dont recall any having tuners |
| [18:45:54] | juski: | anyway, ATSC/DVB tuners aren't what you'd call expensive if you shop in the right places.. and a decent PCIe graphics card won't set you back much |
| [18:46:13] | jams: | they had tuners |
| [18:46:23] | juski: | wagnerrp: think I saw one card with dual tuners but they weren't graphics as well |
| [18:46:50] | juski: | or maybe they had – I never looked closely since I felt they'd never be supported in linux :) |
| [18:47:19] | gbee: | thing to know about ATi is that they use a lot of third party gear/patents in their tech, stuff like the video capture chips isn't theirs and they therefore can't open the specs for driver developers – the same problem plagues their video cards but to a lesser extent |
| [18:47:38] | jams: | personal cinema line |
| [18:48:03] | Shadow__X: | whats the consensus on runing a fe/be recording non hd qam on 600mhz |
| [18:48:06] | Shadow__X: | painfull right |
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| [18:48:23] | wagnerrp: | recording should do just fine |
| [18:48:41] | CyberKnet: | sid3windr: So if a person bought an Areca 1222, where would they get the cable(s) that are needed to hook up to SATA drives? NewEgg doesn't seem to carry them. |
| [18:48:42] | Shadow__X: | but playing it back wont be good |
| [18:49:04] | gbee: | playback will work, but it's a tight squeeze |
| [18:49:13] | wagnerrp: | is the 1222 different from the 1220? |
| [18:49:26] | wagnerrp: | is the 1222 the DDR2 model? or the ML model? |
| [18:49:30] | gbee: | s/will/may/ |
| [18:49:35] | CyberKnet: | Yeah, it doesn't have the SATA ports in the card, it uses the single cable that splits out |
| [18:49:55] | wagnerrp: | so multilane |
| [18:50:01] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt come with a breakout cable? |
| [18:50:18] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: That's what I would call it, but I thought Areca used "multilane" to designate multiple rows of SATA connectors. |
| [18:50:30] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: The newegg product page doesn't indicate so |
| [18:50:55] | wagnerrp: | the plug is literally four SATA lines |
| [18:51:06] | wagnerrp: | all you need is a breakout cable to split it into four SATA cables |
| [18:51:12] | wagnerrp: | or a backplane that does it for you |
| [18:51:38] | sid3windr: | CyberKnet: ah, I dunno – I only have experience with the sata controllers :) |
| [18:51:47] | wagnerrp: | although $480 seems a bit high for the 8-port model |
| [18:52:10] | sid3windr: | the sata cards come with good sata cables |
| [18:52:19] | sid3windr: | so there is a small chance it comes with a multilane splitter |
| [18:52:23] | sid3windr: | but I wouldn't count on it :) |
| [18:53:09] | CyberKnet: | Well, and I would be concerned it was going to come with SAS cables – but the card description says SAS/SATA |
| [18:53:28] | sid3windr: | that's basically the same thing innit |
| [18:53:32] | CGI213: | Thanks for all the responses. I pissed everbody off here over the weekend,(I apologize) but I just didn't have the time or energy to properly formulate my question and I'd like to give it another shot..... I am have set up myth on a number of computers and as a guest on virtualbox and I'm having a problem accessing the program scheduling information. Other things in mythtv are working. The local weather- Shoutcast streams-what is sho |
| [18:53:35] | CyberKnet: | I didn't know that. |
| [18:53:36] | wagnerrp: | SAS and SATA cables are the same exact thing |
| [18:53:51] | sphery: | any suggestions on loose matches for callsign when comparing new channels to old? I'm thinking ignore all non-alpha-numeric characters (whitespace, periods, dashes, etc.), possibly look for matches without things like '-(DT|HD)\d?' (i.e '-DT' or '-HD2') |
| [18:53:52] | sid3windr: | sas controllers eat sata disks generally, other way around not :) |
| [18:54:12] | CyberKnet: | The cable connector is the same on both? |
| [18:54:26] | sid3windr: | yes |
| [18:54:30] | sphery: | CGI213: where in the world? |
| [18:54:31] | wagnerrp: | sometimes you will see SAS connectors that have the data and power bonded together |
| [18:54:39] | wagnerrp: | or you will see multilane cables like this card |
| [18:54:49] | wagnerrp: | but other than that, the physical format is identical |
| [18:54:57] | CyberKnet: | aah, thanks for the education :) |
| [18:55:02] | CGI213: | sphery: ? |
| [18:55:14] | sphery: | CGI213: where are you (for getting listings data) |
| [18:55:18] | wagnerrp: | the only real difference is that SAS offers an enhanced protocol |
| [18:55:33] | CGI213: | 65804 zipcode |
| [18:55:40] | sphery: | so, US |
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| [18:55:43] | wagnerrp: | more command calls, better support for splitters (multiple drives on a single channel), etc... |
| [18:55:56] | meloam: | wagnerrp, unfortunately, when using TV-out, the converter chip ignores modelines :( |
| [18:55:58] | CGI213: | It seems to be getting the movies and other local data correctly |
| [18:56:07] | sphery: | What issues are you having with listings? Did you get a Schedules Direct account (or trial account)? |
| [18:56:17] | Shadow__X: | CGI213,make sure eit isnt enabled |
| [18:56:42] | Shadow__X: | it could be trying to pull info over eit instead of schedules direct i would recommend rtm |
| [18:57:37] | sphery: | CGI213: and you may want to "reset" the channel/listings config: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [18:58:00] | sphery: | assuming you're using Schedules Direct, it should "just work" when you configure things correctly. |
| [18:58:14] | CGI213: | shery: I set up the trial account. I run mythfilldatabase and get connect 200 messages like it's downloading the information. I am just curious, Does it put it in the mythconverg database or does it work some other way? |
| [18:58:25] | sphery: | in the database |
| [18:58:27] | akv: | Are there any easy way of updating DVB channel info, my provider has changed a lot of settings and i lost all my channels. I have fixed a few manual, but there is a LONG way to go.... any scripts that can help me do this easily? |
| [18:58:49] | sphery: | but if you have incorrect input connections configuration, it may be putting it where it's useless... See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 --it will almost definitely fix the issue |
| [18:59:08] | CGI213: | so I could go int with a mysql client and see the data if if it was successful. Would it be in the programs table? |
| [18:59:43] | sphery: | CGI213: unless you understand the schema used by MythTV, seeing data in the database is /not/ going to help you determine if things are properly configured |
| [19:00:33] | sphery: | CGI213: /all/ the data integrity constraints are application-managed (not managed by the database), so it's easy to misconfigure things and get a ton of broken data into the database that looks "right" to someone who hasn't spent way too much time studying the Myth source code |
| [19:01:15] | sphery: | just follow the instructions at the link I gave you (at least the video sources portion) and I think things will work when you're done |
| [19:01:39] | CGI213: | sphery: I will check that ou. I am just trying this out one step at a time. Is it possible that it's showing up because I don't have it associated with a tunercard? |
| [19:02:10] | sphery: | that's one of the ways that you can have broken input connections |
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| [19:02:37] | sphery: | but, yeah, if you have not connected a video source to an input, you will /not/ see any listings info in Myth |
| [19:02:51] | sphery: | Myth only shows you listings for things it can actually record |
| [19:03:36] | sphery: | if you don't have a capture card, yet, you won't be able to continue configuring myth (nor will you be able to use any part of the TV stuff in Myth) |
| [19:04:43] | sphery: | if you're card-less and you're looking to just use the schedules direct listings information "manually" to decide what to watch until you get the card/myth configured, check out FreeGuide: http://www.artificialworlds.net/freeguide/Main/HomePage |
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| [19:05:17] | CGI213: | sphery: So the capture card is different than the tunercard? |
| [19:05:24] | sphery: | no, same |
| [19:05:52] | sphery: | (I just say "capture card" because there's no requirement to use a tuner that's in a card.) |
| [19:06:24] | sphery: | i.e. if using S-Video/Composite input or (with the HD-PVR) if using Component input |
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| [19:07:00] | CGI213: | sphery: bare with me a second, what is the card called that has a 75ohm connector which can out to a t.v. |
| [19:08:00] | CGI213: | maybe with digital broadcasts, those aren't available any more. |
| [19:08:17] | wagnerrp: | an rf modulator, they dont make one in your price range |
| [19:09:04] | sphery: | The card with a TV out? That would be your video card. (Unless using a PVR-350, in which case you're using the PVR-350's TV out in place of a video card and losing all the functionality a real video card provides just so you can "accelerate" decoding of standard-definition MPEG-2 that hasn't been a noticeable compute job for modern processors for the last 8 years). |
| [19:10:09] | sphery: | If you mean those old spade-type connectors, you're /much/ better off finding a TV with better inputs. :) |
| [19:10:11] | wagnerrp: | the threaded connector is RF, you are going to be hard pressed to find a card with an output for that, and it is likely to be very expensive |
| [19:10:39] | sphery: | and most likely any card you see with a threaded RF connector is using it as an /input/ not an output |
| [19:10:49] | wagnerrp: | if you mean the RCA-type plug or svideo, any video card you pick up with those will output through that |
| [19:11:24] | wagnerrp: | component outputs can be found, but are a bit less common |
| [19:11:30] | sphery: | CGI213: what hardware do you have? Video card, capture card? If none, what type of TV do you plan to record (over-the-air, analog cable, digital cable, etc.)? |
| [19:12:28] | CGI213: | I would like to do over the air digital that we are now getting in the u.s. |
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| [19:12:46] | sphery: | and usually the component outputs are done by splitting/converting signals output through a modified (i.e. 6- or 7-pin) S-Video cable with a card-specific "dongle" |
| [19:14:27] | sphery: | So, for OTA digital, you can get a nice, cheap ATSC tuner card ( http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards or http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards ) such as the Hauppauge HVR-1250 or the Avermedia A-180 or can get an HDHomeRun (2-tuner capture device – http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Silicondust_HDHomeRun ) |
| [19:14:29] | CGI213: | I also want to make one for my parents who have a digital tv. so since it has S-Video output, I believe that would go straight into their t.v. |
| [19:15:02] | sphery: | If they have a digital TV, you'd get /much/ better quality with either DisplayPort/HDMI/DVI/VGA |
| [19:15:10] | sphery: | or if all those fail, Component |
| [19:15:30] | sphery: | I can't imagine a digital TV without at least a VGA input |
| [19:16:14] | sphery: | For an analog TV, S-Video is better than Composite, which is /much/ better than RF modulated input |
| [19:16:15] | CGI213: | Do these cards have HDMI interfaces for output? |
| [19:16:27] | sphery: | the video card would have the output |
| [19:16:48] | CGI213: | yes |
| [19:17:15] | sphery: | Myth uses a capture card to record the MPEG-2 encoded data it receives from the ATSC capture card to disk. Then, you play it back with mythfrontend (which is basically a media player type application) and output it through a video card. |
| [19:17:42] | sphery: | You can get video cards with HDMI output. Other people get video cards with DVI output and use a DVI->HDMI converter cable when their TV's only accept HDMI |
| [19:18:04] | CGI213: | I think I am getting a better picture of what's going on now. |
| [19:18:30] | sphery: | basically, when using MythTV, your fancy TV with the expensive ATSC tuner/decoder that Michael Powell made you purchase becomes a monitor |
| [19:18:45] | sphery: | it's does /nothing/ except display the output from your computer's video card |
| [19:19:31] | CGI213: | of course. I just want to be able to watch programs on my own schedule. |
| [19:19:47] | sphery: | yeah, once you get Myth set up, you'll never want to go back |
| [19:21:25] | CGI213: | I was wondering if I could use an old vga video card and output that to a tv. Is there an adapter for analog or digital t.v.s that you can think of for that? |
| [19:21:33] | sphery: | I have 900-some TV shows recorded that I have yet to watch (I watch and then delete shows). I can watch them when I want. Myth automatically finds commercial breaks, so I can skip commercials instantly. I can play back the recordings at faster than real time (so at 1.25x--which is not really noticeably different from 1.0x--you can watch a 1-hr show (assuming 42min content after commercials) in 34min; or at 1.5x, you can ... |
| [19:21:40] | sphery: | ... watch it in 28min; or at 1.75x, in 24min). |
| [19:22:07] | sphery: | Note, though, that at 1.5x you have to start concentrating on the show to catch everything. At 1.75x, you need absolute peace and quiet and extreme focus. |
| [19:22:23] | sphery: | what type of old vga video card? |
| [19:22:32] | sphery: | ATI/NVIDIA? |
| [19:22:51] | CGI213: | Yes something like that. |
| [19:23:51] | sphery: | as cheap as video cards are, it really doesn't make sense to use an off-brand card... NVIDIA is probably the easiest to set up, and ATI is getting pretty good. However, for both, you're probably best off with the proprietary drivers. Unfortunately, they quit supporting their old hardware. |
| [19:24:30] | sphery: | So, if you need a cheap video card for AGP, you should probably just get an NVIDIA GF6200. If PCIe, there are a lot of NVIDIA's you could choose. |
| [19:24:58] | sphery: | You could probably find a GF6200 for <$35 (I bought mine about 3 years ago for $35) |
| [19:25:38] | sphery: | And, the big benefit of just getting a relatively recent card is that they'll have TV out built in (i.e. S-Video and/or Composite out) |
| [19:25:46] | CGI213: | Did I get this correctly from what you said earlier, high powered video cards with a lot of onboard processing power are no longer important with modern cpus |
| [19:25:51] | wagnerrp: | except... you can find an 8400 for the same price now |
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| [19:26:09] | sphery: | is 8400 available in AGP? |
| [19:26:12] | wagnerrp: | the only reason to stick with an old card is if you have an AGP board |
| [19:26:24] | wagnerrp: | ah... seems that was you point |
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| [19:26:30] | wagnerrp: | ignore me... IGNORE ME!!! |
| [19:26:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | PCI perhaps, but not AGP... ;-) |
| [19:26:59] | sphery: | CGI213: actually, what I would say is that high-powered video cards with a lot of onboard processing power are not useful with Myth because software decoding is the way to go. |
| [19:28:02] | CGI213: | o.k. but you don't want to do software decoding with a pentium 111 and 256mgs of ram? |
| [19:28:06] | wagnerrp: | the only reason to go with hardware, is if you need someone extremely intensive like blu-ray, or need something no larger than a wii |
| [19:28:12] | sphery: | CGI213: unfortunately, you'll need a relatively recent processor to decode high-definition TV in software. Generally, you'll want some kind of Athlon X2 5000+ or better or Core 2 Duo around 2GHz or better. I /highly/ recommend low TDP (low power usage). |
| [19:28:50] | Shadow__X: | the amd 4850e is pretty cheap and relatively quick |
| [19:28:50] | sphery: | CGI213: and note that even if you're displaying the TV on a standard-definition set, if you're capturing ATSC, you'll be capturing a lot of high-definition--so you still need a pretty modern system |
| [19:28:51] | wagnerrp: | ... my old barton will do full bitrate ATSC |
| [19:29:11] | sphery: | Shadow__X: yeah, and I /love/ my new one... Think it's a 5050e, though. |
| [19:29:14] | sphery: | so quiet... |
| [19:29:54] | wagnerrp: | is that the chip i have....? what speed is that 5050? |
| [19:29:58] | Shadow__X: | yeah i ditched the idea of running a fe/be on a 600mhz amd i am goning to try a p4 1.6ghz see how that goes only 256mb of ram |
| [19:30:34] | sphery: | AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 5050e @ 2600.223MHz |
| [19:30:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats what i have |
| [19:30:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | I used to be able to play 720P on a PIII 1Ghz using XvMC ... barely.... But OSD made it stutter horribly. Had an occasional frame skip at 720P, but was barely noticable. |
| [19:30:59] | CGI213: | So the first step is getting the tuner. The hdhomerun looks interesting, but you need to buy a supply a hard drive, memory and a processor to get it running. |
| [19:31:28] | sphery: | CGI213: note that you /can/ run a backend on a resource-constrained computer--neither of my 2 backends can even decode the TV they record in real time |
| [19:31:36] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR needs nothing more than what it comes with |
| [19:31:37] | sphery: | CGI213: but since all they do is dump it to disk, they don't have to |
| [19:31:40] | wagnerrp: | but you still need a backend |
| [19:32:06] | sphery: | CGI213: HDHR is basically a "networked attached capture card" |
| [19:32:07] | ** J-e-f-f-A likes his HDHR. ;-) ** | |
| [19:32:41] | wagnerrp: | you can plug it into the network and use it from any windows or linux machine (do they have mac drivers?) |
| [19:32:45] | sphery: | i.e. instead of a PCI slot, you need an ethernet connection to it (which could be through a home network switch) |
| [19:33:44] | CGI213: | So you could capture the stream from the HDHR and put the mythbackend on a much lesser computer with a video out card? |
| [19:33:53] | sphery: | CGI213: better (for Myth) description of HDHR: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun |
| [19:34:36] | wagnerrp: | you need next to no power for a backend |
| [19:34:43] | sphery: | CGI213: yeah, or you could get a PCI-based A-180 and put it on a much lesser computer, but you still need a /different/ computer with a video card that can decode/play back the recording |
| [19:35:03] | wagnerrp: | framegrabbers use a lot of power, but mpeg encoders and digital tuners require little more than a stream capture |
| [19:35:22] | sphery: | i.e. for Myth with high-definition TV, you need a powerful frontend and you can skimp on your backend |
| [19:35:24] | wagnerrp: | you just need room for capture cards and hard drives |
| [19:35:49] | wagnerrp: | you DO need enough power for any commflagging/transcoding you want to do |
| [19:36:01] | sulx: | and enough I/O power... |
| [19:36:05] | wagnerrp: | but that can always be offloaded to a powerful frontend running the job queue |
| [19:36:13] | sphery: | and a relatively useful I/O subsystem--i.e. don't try making a backend out of a system with PIO disk access (minimum is probably UDMA/33, but I wouldn't try it without UDMA/66) |
| [19:36:21] | Pio: | eh? :) |
| [19:36:28] | sphery: | heh, sorry, not you :) |
| [19:36:35] | sphery: | your disk access is probably fine! |
| [19:36:39] | Pio: | hehe yeah it happens from time to time |
| [19:37:03] | sphery: | probably not too often, now that UDMA is even falling out of favor to SATA |
| [19:38:19] | sphery: | CGI213: Haven't read it myself, but I've heard a lot of people who were just starting with Myth comment on how helpful it was, so you may want to read through: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [19:38:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i was looking through that last night... theres nothing similar for tuner card purchase is there? |
| [19:38:55] | ** sphery considers removing the "Work is progressing on porting things to work with Postgres" part... ** | |
| [19:39:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I don't know of any, but it sounds like it would be /very/ useful. |
| [19:40:04] | meloam: | I'm anxious to get back to nashville and see what stations are broadcasting in HD near my place |
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| [19:41:34] | CGI213: | If I don't get a chance later. I want thank you for all the help and advice, especially sphery and wagnerrp |
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| [19:42:00] | sphery: | good luck |
| [19:42:40] | [1]Shadow__X: | i get to test out my luck using a nvidia tnt2 to display over composite |
| [19:43:56] | wagnerrp: | damnit shadow__x... clever doesnt even use hardware that old |
| [19:43:57] | sphery: | ouch |
| [19:43:58] | CGI213: | So if I setup a HDHR I start working with SD but, would the frontend have to run on another computer?\ |
| [19:44:20] | wagnerrp: | check the executive overview |
| [19:44:25] | wagnerrp: | there are three parts of mythtv |
| [19:44:27] | sphery: | if you have a sufficiently powerful computer, you can run both the frontend and backend on the same computer |
| [19:44:29] | wagnerrp: | database, backend, frontend |
| [19:44:37] | wagnerrp: | they are all connected over the network |
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| [19:44:47] | wagnerrp: | and can be in one machine, or multiple machines |
| [19:44:58] | sphery: | sufficiently-powerful in your case means powerful enough to decode high-definition MPEG-2 |
| [19:45:14] | CGI213: | sphery; What does the HDHR need a hard drive for? |
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| [19:45:22] | [1]Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,yeah its not for me its for a friend so what am i supposed to do make a 6200 apear out of thin air |
| [19:45:25] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR cannot use a hard drive |
| [19:45:33] | [1]Shadow__X: | i am already donating a machine i had to it |
| [19:45:34] | sphery: | i.e. at /minimum/ about a 3GHz P4, but you're /much/ better off with a nice dual core of a better architecture |
| [19:45:44] | [1]Shadow__X: | i rather not be using such old hardware |
| [19:45:49] | sphery: | CGI213: hard drive goes in the backend, not in the HDHR |
| [19:45:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | CGI213: HDHR is High-Definition BTW... HD HomeRun |
| [19:46:08] | sphery: | CGI213: I think the linuxtv.org page (which wasn't focused on Myth usage) confused the issue for you |
| [19:46:10] | CGI213: | sphery: Oh! |
| [19:46:11] | ** wagnerrp slaps J-e-f-f-A ** | |
| [19:46:26] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR is 'digital' by the way... no analog capture |
| [19:46:30] | [1]Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A, where are the printouts of how mythtv runs on osx |
| [19:46:39] | [1]Shadow__X: | i want the reports on my desk in 10 minutes |
| [19:46:48] | sphery: | CGI213: and note that in the US, high-definition capture will take between about 4 and 8GB/hr--averaging around 5–6GB/hr |
| [19:46:55] | sphery: | CGI213: so you'll want a lot of disk space |
| [19:46:59] | sphery: | (I have 6.5TB) |
| [19:47:10] | CGI213: | wagnerp: Roger on that! there is no more analog broadcast so I don't want that. |
| [19:47:11] | sphery: | but you can get by with a terabyte or so |
| [19:48:04] | sphery: | fortunately, a 1 or 1.5TB HDD is rather cheap these days |
| [19:48:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | [1]Shadow__X: hehe... ;-) I'll test when i get home, honest! ;-) |
| [19:48:12] | sphery: | (especially compared to when I started with Myth) |
| [19:48:42] | sphery: | CGI213: a 1TB HDD will likely allow about 165hrs of recording |
| [19:49:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehe... He mentioned "SD", so I thought I'd make it clear it was "HD"... ;-) |
| [19:49:15] | sphery: | so depending on how fast you watch/delete, it may be enough |
| [19:49:27] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: he was talking about Schedules Direct |
| [19:49:43] | sphery: | we should have a channel rule that "standard definition" must be abbreviated SDTV :) |
| [19:49:46] | [1]Shadow__X: | so how many hours would 40GB give me :) |
| [19:49:52] | CGI213: | sphery: I'm am just trying this out as a pilot project so 80 hours of recording would be sufficient. |
| [19:50:05] | ** J-e-f-f-A hangs his head in shame and stands in the corner for a few minutes... ** | |
| [19:50:06] | sphery: | Shadow__X: fewer than it takes to set up a Myth box :) |
| [19:51:38] | sphery: | heh, a 40GB HDD would likely be about the same as a VCR tape in EP mode--around 6hrs :) |
| [19:52:02] | sphery: | (much better quality than the VCR tape, though!) |
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| [19:53:50] | CGI213: | Does anyone have any better suggestions for saving this conversation for future reference than: select all and saving to notepad? |
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| [19:54:57] | [1]Shadow__X: | sweet so maybe i should setup 2 40gb drives in lvm? |
| [19:54:59] | sphery: | CGI213: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-07-01 |
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| [19:57:25] | ** J-e-f-f-A 's first 'real' myth backend was 2x 50GB 10K rpm SCSI drives... ;-) ** | |
| [19:57:40] | [1]Shadow__X: | would setting up a lvm accross 2 40gb drives be practical so in the future it could be upgraded to a 1tb drive |
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| [19:58:12] | sphery: | [1]Shadow__X: you'd be better off not using the LVM and using Storage Groups |
| [19:58:24] | [1]Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A,this system would be better if it was actually mine it started as setting up mythtv for someone but their hardware wasnt up to snuff to giving him one of my older systems |
| [19:58:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | ++1 for storage groups. |
| [19:58:33] | sphery: | i.e. just mount each HDD's filesystem separately and put both directories into the Default storage group |
| [19:58:56] | [1]Shadow__X: | sphery,really would that be easy to cp everything to the new drive and have everything jsut work |
| [19:59:07] | [1]Shadow__X: | because i would plan to have to upgrade it soon |
| [19:59:29] | sphery: | Shadow__X: yep... just copy to the new HDD, if you take out the 2 old ones, remove their directories from teh storage group directory list |
| [19:59:33] | sphery: | and all works as if nothing changed |
| [19:59:38] | ** J-e-f-f-A has "/mnt/sdc" through "/mnt/sdh" for his recordings... ;-) 5x500GB, 1x1TB MuWaHaHa... ** | |
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| [20:00:12] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A,pipe down i have a 1tb main and a 5tb raid 5 array on my main server |
| [20:00:28] | Shadow__X: | and my current mythtv server has a 750gbhd |
| [20:00:32] | Shadow__X: | gb hd* |
| [20:00:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Ah, so you did finally build a myth system, eh? ;-) |
| [20:00:49] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A,yeah i have had one for over a year already |
| [20:00:57] | Shadow__X: | now i actually have 2 |
| [20:01:06] | Shadow__X: | i had it setup one at home one in my dorm |
| [20:01:48] | sphery: | Shadow__X: the only downside to Storage Groups with 40GB HDDs and no LVM is "resolution"--i.e. if you have 36GB used of the 40GB HDD and a recording starts and is put on that drive, it may not fit, so Myth will delete another recording. Whereas if you had 72GB used of an 80GB concat'ed drive, another 1-hr recording should fit without a problem. |
| [20:02:22] | sphery: | however--especially since it's temporary--I wouldn't worry about it... Myth will balance filesystem usage (assuming both are local) pretty well, too. |
| [20:03:14] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [20:03:15] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [20:03:48] | sphery: | When you're talking about 1TB or 1.5TB HDD's, a few gig's is not a big deal. It's a much larger percentage of a 40GB HDD, though. |
| [20:04:06] | Shadow__X: | so whats smarter having 3 partitions on the main 40gig one maybe 10 gig partition for boot 800mb swap and the rest for storage groups? |
| [20:04:10] | sphery: | and your performance will be much better with storage groups |
| [20:04:20] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: does this friend have *NO* money? |
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| [20:04:44] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,yeah basically he got a shoulder injury and is on workmans comp |
| [20:05:17] | Shadow__X: | heh i wish he was like here build a system out of 500bucks or something |
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| [20:06:08] | sphery: | Shadow__X: I'd keep the MySQL database on a separate partition at minimum (ideally on a separate HDD). So 3 partitions on the HDD with the distro install is a good plan. The other can be just a single partition all for recordings. |
| [20:06:57] | wagnerrp: | im just thinking your average computer consumes $60-$100/yr |
| [20:07:07] | wagnerrp: | so saving on a hard drive isnt really worth much in the long run |
| [20:07:09] | Shadow__X: | sphery,yeah is that more ideal or just use one main partition and one swap |
| [20:07:26] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,yeah agreed ill ask him what he wants to do |
| [20:07:27] | sphery: | Shadow__X: definitely don't put recordings on the root partition |
| [20:07:37] | sphery: | when it runs out of space, bad things happen |
| [20:07:42] | Shadow__X: | sphery,right i forgot about that |
| [20:07:46] | sphery: | mysql db will be corrupted |
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| [20:07:56] | Shadow__X: | whats a good size for root 10 gigs? |
| [20:07:59] | sphery: | and you have to work to clear space to reboot |
| [20:08:28] | juski: | what's a good size for a length of string? |
| [20:08:41] | sphery: | I generally always make my root 16GiB. My distro takes about 4GiB. I've had occasions where "things" took way more space than they were supposed to |
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| [20:09:11] | juski: | if you plan to keep /home in the root, maybe allow more if you're a veracious torrenter |
| [20:09:13] | sphery: | (i.e. mythcommflag got hung on a recording and was spewing millions of log messages and 2 1/2 weeks later, the computer crashed--due to a full root filesystem) |
| [20:09:53] | Shadow__X: | ok so 16gig root it is |
| [20:10:06] | Shadow__X: | should i do jfs or just keep to normal ol ext3 |
| [20:10:10] | sphery: | wasn't expecting that because I had run mythbackend for >8mos at a time with log files of a couple hundred megs... |
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| [20:10:31] | Shadow__X: | nice |
| [20:10:43] | sphery: | now I actually manage the myth logs properly :) |
| [20:11:05] | Shadow__X: | how is that |
| [20:11:06] | sphery: | I'll leave choice of filesystem to you and suggestions to others. |
| [20:11:24] | sphery: | rotating them/storing them in a partition where they cannot cause a full root filesystem |
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| [20:11:27] | Shadow__X: | sphery,what file systems do you tend to side with |
| [20:11:31] | sphery: | (they were in /home/mythtv) |
| [20:11:36] | sphery: | I use ext3 for everything |
| [20:11:39] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [20:11:46] | sphery: | most people will tell you I'm crazy to use it for recordings |
| [20:11:55] | aBs0lut30: | got a question, I have a box that is streaming recordings from my backend, its a 3.2 GHZ p4d 4gb of ram and a gig network connection to the backend. all of my recordings are 720p from a hdpvr, I have compiled myth with vdpau (gf 8400GS) but playback is choppy and mythfrontend is using all of the cpu it can get... what should I do to try to fix this? |
| [20:11:57] | Shadow__X: | normally i do ext3 for boot and xfs for recording drive |
| [20:12:23] | Shadow__X: | aBs0lut30, what version of mythtv |
| [20:12:48] | sphery: | Shadow__X: a lot of people do likewise for filesystems |
| [20:13:07] | Shadow__X: | sphery,yeah iamlindoro pointed me towards that option awhile back |
| [20:13:33] | juski: | aBs0lut30: obviously vdpau ain't working then :) |
| [20:13:48] | aBs0lut30: | shadow: trunk 20743 |
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| [20:14:07] | juski: | aBs0lut30: mythfrontend -v playback log in a pastebin will help people help you |
| [20:14:08] | aBs0lut30: | juski: yeah, that i know ;) |
| [20:19:24] | aBs0lut30: | k, pastebin.com/m344b5152 |
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| [20:27:02] | juski: | Using ffmpeg for video decoding |
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| [20:27:15] | juski: | big clue there. try changing the video playback profile |
| [20:27:16] | gbee: | not vdpau |
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| [20:27:52] | gbee: | as in, you need to tell it to use vdpau, it can't just guess |
| [20:28:59] | Shadow__X: | but i thought mythtv was smarter than the others |
| [20:29:45] | aBs0lut30: | well, thats the thing, I have a profile setup to use vdpau |
| [20:29:52] | juski: | only as smart as its user I'm afraid :) |
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| [20:30:26] | juski: | aBs0lut30: ah yes, but is that the profile you're actually using? ;-) |
| [20:30:54] | Shadow__X: | anyone want to recommend a qam tuner thats under 80 bucks and is pci |
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| [20:32:25] | aBs0lut30: | arrrr, < and > look way to much alike... |
| [20:32:37] | aBs0lut30: | and, arrrr stupidity be a cruel mistress |
| [20:32:45] | juski: | not in the font I use here :) |
| [20:33:09] | kormoc: | They look strikingly different to me, but then left and right are age old concepts :) |
| [20:33:16] | aBs0lut30: | well, i have lost my glasses and am still trying to do stuff... so thats fun ;) |
| [20:33:28] | juski: | kormoc: explain them to my wife please :D |
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| [20:33:38] | aBs0lut30: | plus being stupid and tired and dislexic helps |
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| [20:33:50] | juski: | I SAID LEFT! (as she turns right) |
| [20:34:09] | aBs0lut30: | thats SOOOOOOO much better, 6% >:D |
| [20:34:32] | juski: | ruh? Project-Whatnow-wide works in trunk still? damnit |
| [20:34:59] | ** juski hurries up the dying process some more ** | |
| [20:34:59] | aBs0lut30: | well, thanks guys |
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| [20:37:25] | juski: | gawd I wish this damn heat/humidity would let up |
| [20:37:38] | juski: | starting to run out of ice to put in drinks |
| [20:39:53] | Dubstar_04: | does anyone know what the h/w requirements will be for receiving hd freeview? |
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| [20:45:08] | sphery: | Shadow__X: until hauppauge comes out with their single-tuner pci HVR (i.e. PCI version of the HVR-1250), the Avermedia A180 is my go-to inexpensive, PCI, ATSC capture card (about $50) |
| [20:48:47] | Shadow__X: | ah thats why i couldnt find it |
| [20:48:48] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [20:48:56] | Shadow__X: | theres only one left on newegg and its open box |
| [20:49:06] | Shadow__X: | sphery,is that the only one to goto thats inexpensive |
| [20:49:20] | Shadow__X: | also does it work well or do all qam tuners work about the same |
| [20:49:44] | sphery: | IME, they're all about the same |
| [20:50:09] | Shadow__X: | the only difference i have noted was on a sub par cable line |
| [20:50:22] | sphery: | assuming, of course, you're not comparing one that's only an ATSC receiver with one that's an ATSC and ClearQAM receiver |
| [20:50:37] | Shadow__X: | no no i like to believe i know better |
| [20:50:38] | juski: | so Quest have EPG data but no *actual* broadcast yet |
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| [20:51:48] | sphery: | yeah, the a180 is one that's best bought on sale. Seems none have it on sale, now, so it's about $80. :( |
| [20:52:03] | Shadow__X: | sphery,http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . amp;Tpk=a180 |
| [20:52:19] | Shadow__X: | yeah thats the issue it seems like i can easily get one for about 80 but non are cheaper |
| [20:52:47] | sphery: | yeah--probably about 57 with shipping... better than 80 (and I don't generally mind the open box thing) |
| [20:53:00] | sphery: | but if you do |
| [20:53:02] | dustybin: | juski: are you still using your CRT |
| [20:53:33] | Shadow__X: | sphery,no i d ont at all i just want the card although whats interesting is i could get a wintv hvr 850 for 68 and i can get it today |
| [20:53:50] | sphery: | is that USB? |
| [20:54:05] | sphery: | I'm not a fan of USB |
| [20:54:09] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [20:54:15] | Shadow__X: | isnt usb fine? |
| [20:54:29] | sphery: | I just don't trust it for long-term reliability. |
| [20:54:43] | Shadow__X: | sphery,really? how come |
| [20:54:58] | sphery: | and I like my Myth box to just run for months without any care |
| [20:55:00] | juski: | disconnects needing a replug-in to fix for one |
| [20:55:06] | sphery: | yeah, that ^^^ |
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| [20:55:38] | Shadow__X: | so one a reboot it would have to be taken out and put back in? |
| [20:55:44] | sphery: | are there drivers for the Hauppauge HVR line of USB capture devices? |
| [20:56:14] | sphery: | Shadow__X: usually either a reboot or a re-plug |
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| [20:56:32] | Shadow__X: | sphery,yes according to linuxtv its supporte |
| [20:56:33] | Shadow__X: | d |
| [20:56:48] | sphery: | I'm holding out hope for USB 3, though... Think it might fix the issue. (fingers crossed) |
| [20:57:10] | sphery: | ah, yeah, now I see them listed. |
| [20:57:23] | sphery: | note that one of the HVR-850 models has no QAM support. |
| [20:57:33] | sphery: | (with the LG DT3303 demod) — http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_USB_Devices |
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| [20:58:24] | juski: | nobody leaves a windows DVR on for months on end & expects it to stay up so why worry about USB devices staying online? :D |
| [20:58:28] | sphery: | I /love/ when 2 differently-capable products are sold with the same model number |
| [20:58:54] | Shadow__X: | oh whoops it doesnt do qam |
| [20:58:56] | Shadow__X: | eh |
| [20:58:56] | sphery: | juski: yeah, you only have to make the hardware more reliable than the OS, so ... |
| [20:59:04] | sphery: | Shadow__X: one of them does, one doesn't :) |
| [20:59:26] | juski: | oo like the two types of Nova-T500 TD. One worky, other she no worky |
| [20:59:32] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:00:19] | juski: | other she no worky.. ever (in linux) apparently. I do like a good game of roulette |
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| [21:10:14] | Dubstar_04: | Hulu coming to the UK!! |
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| [21:12:09] | wagnerrp: | amazing... |
| [21:12:39] | wagnerrp: | since the gov't has been mandating increased fuel economy, theyre feeling the hurt from reduced tax income from gasoline |
| [21:12:55] | wagnerrp: | so theyre going to try to force GPS tracking and per mile taxation |
| [21:13:02] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [21:13:41] | sphery: | nice |
| [21:14:21] | sphery: | Dubstar_04: funny they should announce that, now--shortly after the first talk of changing Hulu to a for-pay service |
| [21:14:39] | Dubstar_04: | ahh! |
| [21:14:49] | Dubstar_04: | maybe no so interesting!! |
| [21:16:04] | sphery: | for me, Hulu has been an option that ranks just below, "or miss the episode," in my list of ways to watch shows for nearly all shows. The in-browser flash player garbage is /so/ slow--my Athlon X2 6000+ can't keep up with it in fullscreen and I get terrible tearing. |
| [21:16:17] | Dubstar_04: | are there any themes in trunk make use of mythui and can be used from day to day? |
| [21:16:18] | dustybin: | what is the cheapest way to backup 10TB worth of data? |
| [21:16:33] | wagnerrp: | a bunch of 1.5TB hard drives |
| [21:16:35] | sphery: | I've only watched a couple of episodes using Hulu (or other network equivalents) and /only/ for "can't-miss" shows. |
| [21:16:44] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: serious? there isnt a cheaper solution? |
| [21:17:13] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what the cost of tape systems are off hand, but i know theyre not cheap |
| [21:17:14] | sphery: | Dubstar_04: I've found that I can store a /lot/ of info in /dev/null--which comes free with any computer. |
| [21:17:28] | sphery: | oops,,, sorry Dubstar_04 that was for dustybin ^^^ |
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| [21:17:38] | wagnerrp: | and while single layer DVDs would technically be cheaper. the cost of time is just too much |
| [21:17:40] | Dubstar_04: | i did wonder!! |
| [21:18:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: sure! but retrieval can be problematic sometimes |
| [21:19:22] | sphery: | yeah, I found I can get about half of the data--but not in order--from /dev/zero |
| [21:19:30] | sphery: | I haven't found a /dev/one, yet, though :) |
| [21:19:51] | sphery: | (actually, there is one, but it's a joke and the definition of 1 is very ambiguous) |
| [21:20:20] | sphery: | Dubstar_04: http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/06/04/would-you . . . ubscription/ and http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/06/hul . . . riptions.ars |
| [21:21:13] | wagnerrp: | here we go... $0.14/GB for Sun's tape media, not including the drive cost |
| [21:21:27] | sphery: | wow... that is more expensive than HDD's |
| [21:21:40] | sphery: | (around $0.08/GB) |
| [21:22:02] | wagnerrp: | not to mention an insanely expensive drive |
| [21:22:10] | Dubstar_04: | sphery: that will certainly put a dampener on that! |
| [21:22:18] | sphery: | yeah, but you already said expensive (Sun :) |
| [21:23:10] | sphery: | Dubstar_04: yeah... if they start the requirement for subs before going to the UK, maybe they'll give a free trial so you can see why it's not worth paying for :) |
| [21:23:58] | kormoc: | just use a us proxy/tor exit node |
| [21:27:04] | Dubstar_04: | Ive been using a heavily modified version of the mythvodka plugin to watch iplayer programmes and I am getting addicted to video on demand |
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| [21:31:37] | juski: | wagnerrp: oh is that the GPS where the satellites might fall out of the sky due to lack of funding? |
| [21:31:50] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:32:00] | sphery: | but the air force said there are no problems |
| [21:32:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you dont drop satellites due to lack of funding... that just happens when you run out of station keeping fuel |
| [21:32:46] | wagnerrp: | anyone who says otherwise is retarded |
| [21:33:08] | sphery: | yeah, the funding was for building/launching replacements |
| [21:33:25] | sphery: | but the air force thinks they can make them last long beyond their design lifetime |
| [21:33:55] | sphery: | It's really my fault, though. That whole thing came out less than a week after I purchased my first GPS. |
| [21:34:01] | wagnerrp: | well you can, you can dip into the fuel reserves and probably get another 5+ years out of them |
| [21:34:36] | gbee: | well it happened like this Mr President, since we had to reduce operators due to budget cuts they were overworked ... well in short ... he fell asleep on the console and the self-destruct button sir |
| [21:34:58] | wagnerrp: | but after that runs out, you start dropping precision, since the satellites no longer follow a precise path, and you now have a bit of garbage thats going to get left up there for 10000 years until it eventually re-enters |
| [21:35:06] | sphery: | so my latest post to the -users list was probably a bit too concise and sounded a bit mean, but I didn't feel like explaining all the ways his post was wrong, so... |
| [21:35:54] | gbee: | mean? you? |
| [21:35:58] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:37:31] | sphery: | gbee: for trying to determine which new/post-rescan channels match up to previously-configured channels (from old backup), I'm using callsign first. After that, I plan to use channel number, then channel name. Would that work well for the UK? |
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| [21:38:17] | juski: | sphery: channels play musical frickin chairs too often to rely on channum here IMHO |
| [21:38:31] | sphery: | would name be better than channum for you? |
| [21:39:02] | wagnerrp: | broadcast channels jump around over there? |
| [21:39:02] | sphery: | either would work well in the us |
| [21:39:20] | juski: | reshuffles :) |
| [21:39:59] | juski: | every few weeks some new channel has come along, or channels have decided to swap numbers.. |
| [21:40:11] | sphery: | oh, and channum (assuming digital) will be the logical channel number, not the frequency |
| [21:40:22] | kormoc: | it's how they prevent one channel from taking over the entire viewing audience |
| [21:40:23] | sphery: | but if they'r actually swapping numbers... |
| [21:40:34] | juski: | yeah LCNs shuffle about a bit |
| [21:40:44] | sphery: | kormoc: sounds like something NBC should lobby to do in the US |
| [21:40:46] | juski: | they might settle down post switch-over though.. I bloody hope so |
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| [21:43:34] | sphery: | plan is to "automatically" compare callsigns and find (high-priority) exact match and (low-priority) close match and prompt the user what to do (restore <list of fields>, ignore, restore for all). Then do the same for channum, then name. Then, any not-yet-matched up channels it would prompt the user what to do (restore <fields> from <select channel>, ignore). |
| [21:43:37] | beta_: | Hello all |
| [21:44:01] | sphery: | so, in theory, even if nothing can automatically determine which are the same, the (patient) user would be able to restore the desired info from the old config. |
| [21:44:14] | beta_: | I'm having some problems setting up mythtv on mythdora |
| [21:44:53] | ** sphery wonders if MythDora ever had a release codenamed, "The Explorer" ** | |
| [21:45:14] | beta_: | I've gone through the backend config, got my channel listing ect, but when I load the frontend on the same box and goto Watch TV it goes blank for a second then returns to the main frontend menu again |
| [21:45:33] | sphery: | beta_: where are you? US? |
| [21:45:40] | beta_: | I'm connected to a motorola dct-6200 over firewire |
| [21:45:45] | beta_: | Canada |
| [21:46:07] | sphery: | in your backend log files, do you see any error messages? |
| [21:46:15] | beta_: | sphery: That would be interesting :) then the could release MythDiego as well :) |
| [21:46:22] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:46:26] | CyberKnet: | spherry: And has it ever had a data loss problem named Swiper? |
| [21:46:27] | CyberKnet: | :P |
| [21:46:47] | CyberKnet: | No Swiping! |
| [21:47:13] | wagnerrp: | when did ff3.5 get released? |
| [21:47:25] | CyberKnet: | yesterday, I believe |
| [21:47:28] | sphery: | wow... didn't notice it had |
| [21:48:05] | beta_: | I only noticed because FF3 bugged me to upgrade.... |
| [21:48:31] | wagnerrp: | ive been using 3.5b/rc for some time |
| [21:48:39] | wagnerrp: | just surprised i never saw an update notice |
| [21:48:51] | beta_: | The only error ish messages in the backend I see is |
| [21:49:00] | beta_: | 2009-07–01 17:19:10.881 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor |
| [21:49:00] | beta_: | 2009-07–01 17:19:10.884 adding: MythBox as a client (events: 0) |
| [21:49:00] | beta_: | 2009-07–01 17:19:10.913 Unknown command: CLEAR_SETTINGS_CACHE |
| [21:49:11] | beta_: | and AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min |
| [21:50:03] | wagnerrp: | oh wow... its listing as an order of magnitude faster than 2.0 |
| [21:54:35] | beta_: | http://fpaste.org/paste/17111 is the frontend log |
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| [22:01:26] | sphery: | beta_: can you pastebin the (full) backend log? |
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| [22:05:59] | beta_: | One sec |
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| [22:07:48] | beta_: | http://fpaste.org/paste/17112 |
| [22:08:01] | beta_: | Just noticed another error while doing that |
| [22:08:07] | beta_: | Says no valid capture devices |
| [22:08:20] | beta_: | Which confuses me since it's there in myth-setup |
| [22:10:08] | sphery: | this is worrisome as it's a standard part of the protocol: 2009-07–01 17:19:10.913 Unknown command: CLEAR_SETTINGS_CACHE |
| [22:10:29] | sphery: | ok, if no valid capture devices, it's likely: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [22:10:35] | beta_: | There's also a few other errors there that I don't know if they're safe to ignore, or signs of a bigger problem |
| [22:10:52] | sphery: | since you're North American, I'm assuming you're using Schedules Direct |
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| [22:11:37] | beta_: | Yes I am |
| [22:11:56] | beta_: | I really didn't like the idea of having to label all the channels I get from my cable provider :) |
| [22:12:41] | beta_: | I honestly could care less about the guide, altho very nice :) |
| [22:17:40] | beta_: | could it be because I used scheduals direct to setup the channels? |
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| [22:22:02] | beta_: | and the next silly question, in the directory I setup for the Default group I have mythconverg--20090701015137.sql.gz |
| [22:22:06] | beta_: | Why? :) |
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| [22:24:09] | kormoc: | beta_, it's a automated database backup |
| [22:24:16] | kormoc: | happens on schema updates |
| [22:24:40] | beta_: | ok :) |
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| [22:28:10] | sphery: | beta_: I'm pretty sure you can delete that backup (since it has no schema version, it's probably a backup of nothing) |
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| [22:29:59] | sphery: | beta_: sorry, got distracted with another conversation... anyway, Sched Direct + Firewire, you set up as if you're doing analog--Fetch channels. However, the button in mythtv-setup won't work. Instead, where it says to hit the button, you need to run: mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels --do-channel-updates --do-not-filter-new-channels |
| [22:30:13] | sphery: | beta_: that's based on the info at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
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| [22:35:39] | beta_: | Ok :) |
| [22:35:53] | beta_: | I'm trying to compile 6200ch now as well |
| [22:36:10] | beta_: | But can't find librom1394 for fc10 :( |
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| [22:38:14] | beta_: | Well, apparently it's part of libavc1394 :) |
| [22:40:45] | beta_: | Hum... |
| [22:40:57] | beta_: | Wonder if this has anything to do with it, 6200ch won't work either |
| [22:43:22] | Shadow__X: | what driver works on a tnt2 |
| [22:45:59] | kormoc: | You need to talk to the Internet monks to gain that widsom |
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| [22:46:07] | kormoc: | *wisdom |
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| [22:48:45] | Shadow__X: | i shall bring a sacrafice |
| [22:49:16] | beta_: | lol |
| [22:49:28] | beta_: | nv will work on a tnt2 |
| [22:49:40] | ** laga cues AC/DC ** | |
| [22:49:43] | Shadow__X: | with tv out? |
| [22:50:00] | beta_: | dunno, try it :) |
| [22:50:08] | laga: | there is nvtv |
| [22:50:08] | beta_: | or google it |
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| [22:51:43] | beta_: | http://fpaste.org/paste/17113 |
| [22:52:00] | beta_: | That's what I'm getting from plugreport re my firewire interface |
| [22:52:13] | Shadow__X: | beta have you tried firewire tester |
| [22:52:25] | beta_: | nope |
| [22:52:39] | beta_: | where can i find that? |
| [22:54:23] | Shadow__X: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire#firewire_tester |
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| [22:59:56] | Shadow__X: | i thought my be2400 was slow |
| [23:00:05] | Shadow__X: | this p4 1.6ghz makes it seem like a rocket |
| [23:00:27] | beta_: | Still getting the same errors |
| [23:00:44] | beta_: | P2P: Testing...libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output: Failed to get the oPCR[0] plug for node 2. |
| [23:00:47] | beta_: | iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output failed |
| [23:01:03] | Shadow__X: | is firewire enabled on your box |
| [23:01:07] | beta_: | I've also tried broadcast |
| [23:01:12] | beta_: | On the STB? |
| [23:01:18] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [23:01:30] | beta_: | Yeah, but it's not showing as active in the STB's debug menu |
| [23:01:37] | beta_: | It's enabled tho |
| [23:01:50] | beta_: | And I've had it working, tho horribly, on my mac mini |
| [23:02:21] | beta_: | I've tried switching the STB to a non-digital channel for giggles, still no love |
| [23:03:22] | beta_: | Looks like my provider has encrypted most of their digital channels :( |
| [23:03:39] | sphery: | wow, sounds more like the US than Canada :) |
| [23:03:57] | beta_: | Hehe |
| [23:04:20] | beta_: | The three big providers in Canada are all jerks :) |
| [23:04:46] | beta_: | Rogers, Shaw and Cogeco are much more interested in selling me a DVR |
| [23:04:53] | sphery: | I think GreyFoxx's provider up there leaves basically everything unencrypted over firewire. |
| [23:05:55] | beta_: | AFAIK the US has laws that protect your ability to record off firewire |
| [23:06:00] | beta_: | We have no such laws |
| [23:06:15] | kormoc: | Rodgers and Shaw suck |
| [23:06:35] | beta_: | Yup they do |
| [23:06:51] | beta_: | I regularly refer to rogers as the anti-Christ |
| [23:07:06] | beta_: | Bell is starting to get that one too from me |
| [23:07:45] | beta_: | Ticked some woman off who came door-knocking trying to sell me rogers stuff by telling he she worked for the anti-Christ :) |
| [23:07:48] | laga: | you should not use the same name for two entities, that's confusing |
| [23:07:48] | beta_: | her |
| [23:08:12] | ** laga ;) off to bed ** | |
| [23:08:16] | beta_: | :) |
| [23:08:17] | beta_: | nite |
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| [23:08:39] | beta_: | how about calling Bell the Devil-incarnate? |
| [23:08:40] | sphery: | beta_: actually the laws only require that upon request you're given an STB that has firewire enabled... It doesn't prevent the cable co from encrypting content sent via firewire (except, perhaps, for local stations). |
| [23:08:52] | beta_: | Aye |
| [23:09:16] | beta_: | Or child of Saten? |
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| [23:17:44] | beta_: | Just noticed I don't have a /dev/raw1394 |
| [23:19:29] | beta_: | I just installed libraw1394, will I have to reboot to get it up? |
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| [23:25:58] | beta_: | Why do I have a feeling I would have been better off to install Slackware on this box and take care of it all myself.... :) |
| [23:26:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Any sql experts hanging around? ;-) I found a tool to analyze MySQL performance called 'mysqltuner', and it seems to recommend some changes – any reason to not do what it suggests? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1481312 |
| [23:29:54] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: not a MySQL expert, but for the "Run OPTIMIZE TABLE" suggestion, I recommend just setting up a cron job to run optimize_mythdb.pl (which does OPTIMIZE/ANALYZE and (if necessary) REPAIR) |
| [23:31:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah, I've got that running every day at 3:35am – I should check that it's completing successfully though... ;-) |
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| [23:34:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Seems to be running fine... I guess I've just got alot of data... ;-) (583MB) |
| [23:35:35] | psm321: | hah, thats nothing :-P |
| [23:36:15] | Shadow__X: | there are 2 commands in terminal to take you how much space is being being used what is it |
| [23:36:25] | Shadow__X: | i forgot it |
| [23:36:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: Yeah, I figured as much, given us crazy guys (and gals) here... ;-) |
| [23:36:42] | Shadow__X: | i think i am going back to my linux desktop i forget too much |
| [23:37:10] | Shadow__X: | nvm |
| [23:37:14] | Shadow__X: | df -H du |
| [23:37:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: That's ok, after playing with Linux most of the weekend, I go into work to our Tandem mainframes, and keep typing "cd" and "ls" and "cat" and "su"... None of which work on a Tandem... ;-) |
| [23:37:59] | Shadow__X: | i dont even know what a tandem is |
| [23:39:02] | psm321: | J-e-f-f-A: actually i think it's pretty rare... most people think i'm extremely crazy when i talk about the size of my db and how many recordings i have |
| [23:39:50] | Shadow__X: | how can i tell how big my db is |
| [23:40:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Funny thing is, most people don't... but most use them nearly every day... AOL (AIM), Target, Home Depot, Many ATM networks, etc use them... |
| [23:40:55] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, the joins without index is a non-issue, the count is low enough, the slow query log isn't worthwhile for non-devs, the rest, likely won't have that much of an impact, but worth playing with |
| [23:41:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: I just did a locate on mythconverge, then did a "du /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg" ;-) Perhaps some of that is 'white space', but it's a good guesstimate... ;-) |
| [23:41:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: thanks! ;-) |
| [23:41:37] | psm321: | # du -sh /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg |
| [23:41:37] | psm321: | 2.2G /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg |
| [23:41:39] | psm321: | :) |
| [23:43:19] | Shadow__X: | aww mine is so little |
| [23:43:56] | psm321: | probably means you're sane |
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| [23:44:10] | Shadow__X: | or that this server was done for along time |
| [23:44:12] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [23:44:52] | psm321: | ? |
| [23:46:31] | gbee: | 2.2Gb?? |
| [23:47:02] | psm321: | see :) |
| [23:47:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: So, you're probably 3 or 4x what I've got: 1062 programs, using 2.8 TB (1 month 12 days 21 hrs 1 min) out of 3.4 TB (747 GB free). |
| [23:47:48] | psm321: | probably around 4x in disk space |
| [23:47:53] | psm321: | but not in # of recordings |
| [23:48:04] | psm321: | i compress my recordings down to about 120MB/half hour |
| [23:48:14] | gbee: | ouch |
| [23:48:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: Ah, all HD I take it? Yikes! |
| [23:48:36] | psm321: | ? |
| [23:48:42] | psm321: | the opposite of HD |
| [23:48:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: I was thinking you had less recordings in 4x the space... |
| [23:48:56] | psm321: | really low D |
| [23:49:02] | psm321: | no, more |
| [23:49:17] | psm321: | i wont say the number for fear of being kicked out of the channel for insanity |
| [23:49:29] | sphery: | heh, mine: 876 programs, using 4.1 TB (1 month 7 days 16 hrs 45 mins) out of 6.5 TB (2.4 TB free). |
| [23:49:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: Whaddaya doing, hosting videos for cell phones? yikes. |
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| [23:50:36] | psm321: | all of which reminds me, i need to install my new hard drive soon |
| [23:50:55] | psm321: | sphery: see, i fear that's hwat digital/HD is going to do to me if i dont force myself to compress |
| [23:50:56] | ozatomic: | There there a updated list of supported hardware mpeg2 capture cards anywhere that will support RCA cables from my cable settopbox? |
| [23:51:04] | psm321: | J-e-f-f-A: no, i''m just a packrat |
| [23:51:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: Me too, but dang! |
| [23:51:59] | psm321: | i will say, it pushes myth to interesting limits |
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