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| [00:23:27] | gbee: | heads up for those of you in the UK, looks like they've shuffled some channels again, ITV4 isn't where it used to be |
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| [01:20:21] | Leop18: | Hi guys, I just managed to configure my rotor in mythtv but i noticed that mythtv doesn't stay on the last channel that i was watching it keeps switching to the first channel in the first video source |
| [01:22:13] | sphery: | Leop18: using a channel change script? |
| [01:22:25] | sphery: | Leop18: if so, put at the bottom: exit 0 |
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| [01:23:48] | Leop18: | it only happens when I get out to the main menu and when I select watch TV it'll go to the first channel |
| [01:24:29] | Leop18: | I'm not sure about the channel change script! |
| [01:25:20] | sphery: | note that each input stores its own start channel, so if you have multiple cards/inputs, you may just be seeing different ones in use |
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| [01:26:30] | Leop18: | yes you right, but what I did I created for each satellite a video source so video source1 default chan =1 video source 2 default chan = 30 |
| [01:26:37] | sphery: | though I have no idea how multiple inputs would work with a rotor (as, in theory, you could only turn the antenna one direction, so what channels are available would be dependent on whether another input is recording...) |
| [01:26:37] | Leftmost: | Does MythWeb allow playing music/video on the Myth frontend? The wiki says it allows browsing and downloading to the local machine, but is it possible to control Myth remotely through it? |
| [01:27:30] | sphery: | Leftmost: the closest thing to that would be using the MythWeb remote to jump to MythMusic and start a playlist |
| [01:27:37] | sphery: | you can set up playlists in MythWeb |
| [01:28:18] | sphery: | Leop18: I'll let you see if someone else who knows more about that stuff is around... I've never used any of it. |
| [01:28:49] | sphery: | Leop18: btw, if it's disecq stuff, you should mention that as it will likely help people to figure out what you're asking |
| [01:29:29] | Leop18: | it is Disecq 1.2 |
| [01:29:40] | sphery: | Leop18: and assuming it's DVB-S, you may want to see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S |
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| [01:29:46] | sphery: | kormoc's here! |
| [01:30:01] | ** SHADOW_V cheers ** | |
| [01:30:02] | Leop18: | it turns the dish when I select deferent channel on designated video source , but if I finished watching tv I put mythtv to the main menu then when go back myth automatically takes me back to video source 1 |
| [01:30:14] | spencer_: | does anyone know how to get harmony 880 working with usb-uirt?? |
| [01:30:19] | Leftmost: | Hmm. Is there any way to control the frontend remotely? Other than with a remote, obviously. I'm partially just looking for fine, quick control over playing video and music. |
| [01:30:30] | Leop18: | yes I had a look at the DVB-S wiki |
| [01:30:42] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [01:31:18] | sphery: | kormoc: did you notice the message "iPhone Frontend Issues"? It seems the dev came to the conclusion that MythWeb is a better idea than an iPhone-specific app--exactly what you told him when he started. :) http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387066#387066 |
| [01:32:05] | sphery: | Leop18: perhaps it's tuning other channels for EIT capture? (again, just wild guesses) |
| [01:32:26] | sphery: | Leftmost: mythweb remote |
| [01:32:29] | Leop18: | could be |
| [01:32:29] | kormoc: | sphery, Surprise! |
| [01:32:37] | cornell: | Good evening all... Just a couple of details.... working with channels scanned, there are a bunch that have labels like WCAU-DT, KYW-3. And there's a bunch labeled UNKNOWN#00, etc. Viewing the former, I see the appropriate shows Viewing the latter, it reports error and I get back to the menu. Are the UNKNOWN's just... well, junk, nothing useful? |
| [01:32:45] | sphery: | Leftmost: which is an implementation of the Myth frontend "telnet" control |
| [01:33:01] | cornell: | And should they be deleted, or is there hope for them in the future? |
| [01:33:23] | sphery: | cornell: likely the UNKNOWN's are either encrypted or VOD or PPV or ... |
| [01:33:49] | cornell: | VOD... PPV? |
| [01:33:56] | sphery: | (I'd guess the latter as Myth should have detected that they were encrypted and left them out--unless you unchecked the box saying to only add unencrypted channels during the scan) |
| [01:34:02] | sphery: | Video On Demand or Pay Per View |
| [01:34:07] | cornell: | Ah |
| [01:34:13] | Leftmost: | Alright. Thank you, sphery. |
| [01:34:38] | sphery: | i.e. channels that don't normally carry stuff, but then when someone orders something, the cable gives that specific STB the tuning info so it can play the show |
| [01:34:38] | cornell: | Now, later, to check for lineup changes, doing another scan would not be harmful? |
| [01:34:54] | sphery: | they don't include that info for everyone else, though --which is why tuning info is likely unknown :) |
| [01:35:01] | cornell: | Cool |
| [01:35:13] | cornell: | So I can just delete them, right? |
| [01:35:26] | sphery: | in theory you can rescan and it shouldn't break things |
| [01:35:31] | cornell: | Cool |
| [01:35:31] | sphery: | in the wild, however, ... |
| [01:35:42] | cornell: | Yes...? |
| [01:35:43] | sphery: | I never rescan without first clearing everything |
| [01:35:55] | cornell: | How does one "clear" everything? |
| [01:36:10] | sphery: | you /can/ delete the unwanted/unknown channels... Just go into mythtv-setup, channel editor, then select a channel and hit d |
| [01:36:20] | sphery: | clear everything: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [01:36:27] | sphery: | (which I think I had you do earlier) |
| [01:36:40] | Leop18: | Thanks sphery, I give it another go |
| [01:37:04] | ** kormoc thinks Beirdo should give sphery !URL programming permissions to MythLogBot ** | |
| [01:37:06] | cornell: | Cool.... Thanks |
| [01:37:20] | sphery: | Leop18: there are a /lot/ of other people who know something about DVB-S/DiSECQ/... Just so happens that none are around, now. Might want to check back later. Good luck. |
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| [01:38:30] | sphery: | kormoc: I actually laughed out loud when reading that message. It brought back memories of the long conversation you had with him when he was first trying to get the iPhone 3.0 app working. |
| [01:38:59] | cornell: | One more thing, I notice there's a "visible" flag on mythweb... A channel that appears to contain nothing of interest to me, and I want to not be bothered with, but may be of interest in the future, would it be useful to make it invisble? |
| [01:39:14] | sphery: | but, I guess sometimes the only way to convince someone is to let them do it the other way and figure it out themselves |
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| [01:40:05] | sphery: | cornell: if it's nothing of interest, but it's actually valid (i.e. not one that's lacking tuning info/returns you to the menu when you try to tune it), then perhaps |
| [01:40:19] | kormoc: | sphery, he's also likely not going to like the fact that the dashcode doesn't work with the android, and my skin does, and it seems absurd to have two skins for two devices so close together |
| [01:40:22] | sphery: | cornell: but note that if you have an xmltvid associated with it, you will be downloading the programming data for it |
| [01:40:50] | cornell: | When I look at the guide, do invisibles show up in the list? |
| [01:40:58] | sphery: | cornell: so if you make 300 unwanted channels invisible, but continue to download listings for them, you're wasting a lot of schedules direct bandwidth/resources |
| [01:41:06] | sphery: | no, they're not in the guide |
| [01:41:23] | sphery: | they're not /ever/ used to record--even if you do a manual schedule on that channel |
| [01:41:32] | sphery: | it's as if they don't exist |
| [01:41:40] | sphery: | with the exception that it will download listings for them |
| [01:41:41] | cornell: | Cool |
| [01:41:51] | cornell: | Sounds like what I want. |
| [01:43:21] | sphery: | just don't go crazy with it--downloading unnecessary listings for a few channels it's no big deal, but if you can be relatively certain you'll never watch them, either remove the xmltvid/take them out of the SD lineup or just delete the channel (from the SD lineup and from Myth) |
| [01:44:04] | cornell: | Well, there's only 34 channels, and about 4 are like this, apparently evangelical stuff. |
| [01:44:07] | sphery: | i.e. I do not have xmltvid's in any of the home shopping or spanish-language channels I get because I don't watch them |
| [01:44:16] | sphery: | if I ever decide to watch them, I can simply add xmltvid's |
| [01:44:48] | sphery: | yeah, 4 isn't too bad |
| [01:45:14] | sphery: | I'm only being persistent because I've seen people who did that for hundreds of channels. :( |
| [01:45:27] | sphery: | dinner time! |
| [01:48:40] | wagnerrp: | cornell: but if you cut out the evangelical channels, you'll miss Church Chat |
| [01:50:29] | cornell: | ;-) |
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| [02:26:01] | cornell: | Question... when I'm watching livetv, it's gettting recorded. I want to step away, and continue the recording but stop at the end of the hour, can I do that, how? |
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| [02:40:34] | wagnerrp: | press 'r' |
| [02:40:51] | wagnerrp: | as long as you have proper scheduling data, mythtv will cease recording at the end of the current show |
| [02:57:48] | spencer_: | does anyone know how to get harmony 880 working with usb-uirt?? |
| [02:58:09] | wagnerrp: | choose any remote to emulate with the 880 |
| [02:58:16] | wagnerrp: | and then record the codes on the usb-uirt |
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| [02:59:19] | spencer_: | ok.. the big question is actually to have a receiver for the 880.. coz my ir receiver just fried :( |
| [03:02:00] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [03:05:42] | spencer_: | my ir reciving piece of my capture card died :(.. so now i need to find another device to let me use my 880 :( |
| [03:06:11] | wagnerrp: | the 880 will transmit any standard IR code |
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| [03:06:20] | wagnerrp: | and the USB-UIRT will receive any standard IR code |
| [03:07:09] | wagnerrp: | you probably want to search the internet, find an lircd.conf profile for the usb-uirt, and then program the 880 with the matching remote |
| [03:08:39] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, do you have qam tuners |
| [03:09:26] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [03:10:32] | SHADOW_V: | which ones do you have i am trying to figure out if the hvr 1250's are as forgiving on cable quality as the pinnacle pctv 800 i is |
| [03:10:47] | wagnerrp: | i dont have any problem with my 1250 |
| [03:11:03] | wagnerrp: | although the HDHR is set as the primary tuner, and i rarely need to record 3 shows |
| [03:11:09] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok |
| [03:12:03] | SHADOW_V: | yeah because i have a hvr 1600 and a hvr 1800 and the 800 i works better on my line than the hvr's and i guess i should use my head as the hvr's share the same qam hardware unless i am mistaken |
| [03:12:45] | wagnerrp: | i believe the 1250 and 1800 use the same hardware, but the 1600 has a different tuner |
| [03:13:05] | wagnerrp: | bah.... apparently ive used the Amazon Prime trial before |
| [03:13:11] | wagnerrp: | no free 2-day shipping for me |
| [03:13:23] | SHADOW_V: | aww maybe next time |
| [03:13:24] | SHADOW_V: | or |
| [03:13:28] | SHADOW_V: | perhaps new email |
| [03:13:33] | SHADOW_V: | or do they use your address |
| [03:13:38] | wagnerrp: | not worth the effort, and i dont know |
| [03:14:03] | SHADOW_V: | not worth the effort of 2 more clicks and some typing :) |
| [03:14:21] | wagnerrp: | its free 5–9 anyway, and im not in any rush to get this new UPS |
| [03:14:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont expect to lose power any time in the near future |
| [03:14:46] | wagnerrp: | and my existing UPS will last a minute or so on battery |
| [03:14:47] | SHADOW_V: | does anyone ever reall expect to lose power |
| [03:15:18] | wagnerrp: | well theres no storms on the radar, and we dont have otherwise intermittent power |
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| [03:17:30] | wagnerrp: | ill need to pick up a usb/serial adaptor for that too |
| [03:17:57] | wagnerrp: | it has USB access, but its really just a built in usb/serial bridge, and there are no drivers for it |
| [03:18:07] | wagnerrp: | NUT only works with the serial interface |
| [03:18:31] | SHADOW_V: | thats always fun |
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| [03:24:03] | SHADOW_V: | apparently the pctv line has been bought by hauppauge but i cant find it on their site |
| [03:28:51] | wagnerrp: | damn you DB9 |
| [03:30:13] | wagnerrp: | the serial port on my firewall is male, the serial port on my modem and ups are female |
| [03:30:17] | wagnerrp: | so i cant just buy one type |
| [03:30:46] | SHADOW_V: | :) |
| [03:30:49] | SHADOW_V: | gotta buy em all |
| [03:32:18] | SHADOW_V: | i am just trying to find a card that uses the XC5000 chip |
| [03:33:25] | SHADOW_V: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116043 |
| [03:33:29] | SHADOW_V: | the new 800i |
| [03:33:47] | wagnerrp: | pricey |
| [03:35:18] | SHADOW_V: | that it is but it tunes better than the hvr 1800 |
| [03:35:49] | wagnerrp: | i have no experience to that, however its absolutely worthless for analog |
| [03:35:56] | wagnerrp: | (although so is the 1800 at the moment) |
| [03:36:12] | SHADOW_V: | if i would of known the 800i was better than the hvr's for qam i would of bought more |
| [03:36:23] | SHADOW_V: | yeah stoth is workig on the bug on that |
| [03:36:30] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt make any difference on QAM |
| [03:36:33] | SHADOW_V: | the 1800 works in linux there is just a driver bug |
| [03:36:42] | wagnerrp: | signal strength should be far more than adequate for any tuner card |
| [03:36:45] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, from my experince yes |
| [03:37:10] | SHADOW_V: | the 800i needs less of signal strength to work right than the 1800 needs |
| [03:37:21] | SHADOW_V: | i can lock and record streams better with it |
| [03:37:38] | wagnerrp: | but if youre splitting more than a couple times, you should be using an amp anyway |
| [03:37:47] | SHADOW_V: | on the 1800 i will have popping hissing and stream errors where the 800i chugs along nicely |
| [03:38:07] | wagnerrp: | spending an extra $30 per tuner to save on a $20 amp just doesnt make sense |
| [03:38:07] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, yeah but if the line going into your house is not the best quality even 2 amps wont help much |
| [03:38:37] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, i have a +16db amp and a +8db and that what has gotten most channels to work |
| [03:39:00] | SHADOW_V: | channels on hrc have issue on the 1800 where the 800i doesnt |
| [03:39:12] | wagnerrp: | thats a bit excessive |
| [03:39:50] | SHADOW_V: | actually if i only use one amp i can barely record anything |
| [03:39:55] | Dagmar: | You might want to call the cable company and complain you're getting a weak signal if you have an STB there youc an arrange to flak eout |
| [03:39:55] | SHADOW_V: | even the cable box has problems |
| [03:40:26] | Dagmar: | Okay yeah you *should* be getting a feed capable of being sent to at least two STBs if your cable company isn't complete a**holes |
| [03:40:30] | Dagmar: | Here it's four |
| [03:40:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i get four lines before i start to drop power |
| [03:40:51] | Dagmar: | Basically, they'll promise four splits before they ask money to give you your own signal amp |
| [03:40:59] | SHADOW_V: | Dagmar, yeah i have complained many times i havent had time as of late to get it fully resolved |
| [03:41:12] | Dagmar: | If youc an't get good signal to one, stop screwing around with amping a washed out signal and carp at the cable companu |
| [03:41:25] | Dagmar: | er company |
| [03:41:43] | SHADOW_V: | well i have the main line coming in one 2 way splitter one of the splits runs into the attic to a 4 way splitter than to my room to a 3 way splitter |
| [03:42:23] | SHADOW_V: | Dagmar, i have recording reliable now i was just saying the 800i is better in my experience than the 1800 |
| [03:42:27] | wagnerrp: | that +8 should give enough power to run all of that |
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| [03:42:35] | SHADOW_V: | but yeah they should fix it |
| [03:42:44] | wagnerrp: | assuming proper feed power |
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| [03:42:53] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, yeah i thought so too |
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| [03:43:12] | Dagmar: | understand from where we sit it sounds like you're having a lot of trouble getting the bullets out of your cheeseburgers that you get from the local McDonalds tho |
| [03:43:29] | Dagmar: | ...when cheeseburgers shouldn't have bullets in them to begin with. |
| [03:44:04] | Dagmar: | Like, both these problems might be solvable by you, but one of them isn't something you should even be having to deal with and it's causing the other |
| [03:44:15] | Dagmar: | Pick up de phone and start chewing butts |
| [03:44:21] | SHADOW_V: | Dagmar, no i fully understand where you are comming from and i do need them to come back |
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| [06:34:47] | jblack: | I think I found my next project. |
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| [06:52:53] | lnx-dude: | Is there anyone in here who can help me with dvb-c questions |
| [06:52:56] | lnx-dude: | ? |
| [06:53:21] | lnx-dude: | I'll Just state my question |
| [06:53:58] | lnx-dude: | I intend to start using dvb-c with alphacrypt in the not so distant future. |
| [06:54:46] | lnx-dude: | I want 2 tuners but I only have 1 pci slot. |
| [06:55:28] | lnx-dude: | Are there any good dvb-c usb tuners that do encrypted with a ci for myth? |
| [06:55:52] | lnx-dude: | marco? |
| [06:56:07] | lnx-dude: | anybody? |
| [06:56:09] | lnx-dude: | hello |
| [07:01:03] | sulx: | usb card reader + newcs + open-sasc-ng |
| [07:04:44] | pheld: | sulx & lnx-dude: you should discuss such things on a forum hosted under a jurisdiction where the DMCA does not apply, not here |
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| [07:11:22] | pheld: | lnx-dude: HW-CAMs are still open for discussion I guess, but that may change with the introduction of CI+ |
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| [07:12:36] | lnx-dude: | I want to use a HW cam. |
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| [07:13:10] | lnx-dude: | I want to pay for the service, I just don't want some ****** piece of ****** closed hardware to watch tv. |
| [07:13:51] | pheld: | same here, but it keeps getting harder to get hardware that works |
| [07:13:52] | lnx-dude: | I want to use mythtv to watch the channels I bought, I need some sort of CI to put my card in.. |
| [07:14:26] | pheld: | have you checked on the linux-dvb wiki? |
| [07:14:50] | pheld: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| [07:15:03] | lnx-dude: | Yes, but I can only find pci dvb-c tuners |
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| [07:15:54] | lnx-dude: | If I have a usb connected CI, will it work with any (working/supported) dvb-c card/dongle? |
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| [07:18:07] | pheld: | In theory yes, but I don't think there are any good drivers for standalone usb CIs under linux. The best bet is a card (PCI/USB/FW) with builtin cardreader |
| [07:20:00] | lnx-dude: | I found this one:http://www.terratec.net/en/products/TerraTec_ . . . ml?premium=1 |
| [07:20:25] | lnx-dude: | But I can't find out if linux/mythtv supports it. |
| [07:20:35] | lnx-dude: | It's the perfect device for my!!! |
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| [07:26:30] | pheld: | can't see it mentioned on the linux-dvb mailinglist, unfortunately |
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| [07:34:37] | lnx-dude: | pheld I know, it's frustrating! I wish HW companies would just have the guts to get behind linux.... |
| [07:34:52] | pheld: | It doesn't look like the H7 is able to handle multiple channels on a multiplex. A regular DVB-card supports simultaneous watching/recording of all channels on one multiplex (under linux). |
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| [07:37:02] | lnx-dude: | well I'll just have to look a bit further! |
| [07:37:22] | pheld: | vendors are getting more reluctant to linux-solutions in this area. With CI+, only those who can guarantee that there is no external access to unencrypted programs between CI and encrypted HDMI output will have certificates issued. |
| [07:37:26] | lnx-dude: | Thanks for the feedback |
| [07:38:08] | pheld: | Media-conglomerates are pushing for Ci+, as is MS because it's another weapon against open-source in the home |
| [07:38:11] | lnx-dude: | So CI+ is "yet another DRM" |
| [07:38:22] | pheld: | yes, output from CAM is encrypted |
| [07:38:41] | lnx-dude: | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [07:38:55] | pheld: | everything must be sealed, and only SD unencrypted outputs |
| [07:39:14] | pheld: | HD must be over HDCP or better |
| [07:39:41] | pheld: | not that there's no way around it, but such destructive use of technology is imhp counterproductive |
| [07:40:16] | lnx-dude: | users are being restricted more and more everyday. |
| [07:40:47] | lnx-dude: | So much more is possible but its just being restricted because companies like MS can't keep up with tech... |
| [07:40:48] | pheld: | some european regulators are however considering a ban on CI+, because they want to fight the MS monopoly |
| [07:41:19] | lnx-dude: | GOOD |
| [07:41:50] | lnx-dude: | I'm from Europe so, can you tell me who I should vote for?:-D |
| [07:42:35] | lnx-dude: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party |
| [07:42:37] | lnx-dude: | lol |
| [07:42:44] | lnx-dude: | thanks a bunch |
| [07:42:48] | lnx-dude: | I'm off now |
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| [08:03:33] | juski: | y'know if people who received cable & satellite TV would only stop sharing their warez maybe we wouldn't have to put up with all this DRM nonsense. Just a thought |
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| [08:07:26] | juski: | freeview channels reshuffled AGAIN? OH FFS |
| [08:07:45] | juski: | viewers are going to get bored with all the rescanning |
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| [08:13:32] | juski: | erm... whut? just went to run mythtv-setup on my backend and erm.. 'no database selected' |
| [08:16:43] | juski: | heh. I'd copied config.xml to mysql.txt to try that silly suggestions 'plugin' |
| [08:16:49] | Dibblah: | Don't most STBs auto-renumber? |
| [08:17:11] | Dibblah: | Also, aren't we following the "this station has moved" stuff? |
| [08:17:34] | ** Dibblah remembers a discussion of it not that long ago ** | |
| [08:17:40] | Dibblah: | (<2 years) |
| [08:18:00] | juski: | well, if we were would people need to rescan everytime freeview sneezes? |
| [08:19:25] | Dibblah: | Oh. That's a very valid point. :( |
| [08:19:47] | Dibblah: | Just put the command line scanner in cron. Job done. ;) |
| [08:25:50] | juski: | GAY RABBIT?! WTF |
| [08:26:10] | juski: | and WTF is TROVE? |
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| [08:29:23] | juski: | dating services on freeview. WTH is the world coming to? |
| [08:30:07] | juski: | well, I say 'dating' it's probably just send a txt & 'hook up with' syphilitic 'babez' |
| [08:32:00] | juski: | run by TELETEXT of all companies. Sheesh. Why can't they just die when analogue gets switched off? ;-) |
| [08:32:28] | juski: | people don't know what's good fer em, that's how these things continue to be in business |
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| [08:33:44] | Dibblah: | Meh. Different strokes... |
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| [08:37:54] | pak0: | hi all people, good morning |
| [08:38:08] | pak0: | its possible to use the scrappers from xbmc on myth? |
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| [08:38:16] | juski: | scrappers? |
| [08:38:44] | juski: | if you mean the metadata grabbers which break imdb.com T&Cs, NO |
| [08:40:46] | juski: | there are plenty of ways to get metadata into mythtv. there's tmdb.pl & even a script which will download metadata in bulk :) |
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| [08:56:48] | juski: | you're welcome pak0 |
| [09:00:43] | pak0: | thank you juski |
| [09:01:09] | pak0: | i like too much mythtv, for wath tv, but i like too xbmc for how can show my database |
| [09:01:24] | pak0: | watch* |
| [09:02:14] | pak0: | i only want on my htpc tv and videos, and mythtv is the best for watch tv i think, but, for order and show my database of films, xbmc is very good |
| [09:02:57] | pak0: | and i like too the on the screen menu of xbmc, i`m looking now how to do the same on mythtv, but with mplayer i think its no possible, with xine... |
| [09:03:14] | juski: | so go use XBMC then |
| [09:05:05] | pak0: | i`m using xbmc, but i want to mythtv for watch tv :P |
| [09:05:27] | juski: | XBMC ain't all that IMHO |
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| [09:06:16] | juski: | if you take the time-wasting animations away from it XBMC will not be superior to mythtv 0.22 in any way IMHO |
| [09:08:24] | pak0: | what its IMHO? |
| [09:08:30] | pak0: | apologize about my english |
| [09:08:32] | juski: | in my humble opinion |
| [09:09:11] | juski: | I've tried XBMC a few times & I honestly can't see what people rave about |
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| [09:10:21] | pak0: | i want to have 0.22 now, its possible to move from stable to test? |
| [09:10:38] | pak0: | adding repos or something? |
| [09:10:39] | sulx: | yes...tho I suggest taking backup first |
| [09:10:52] | pak0: | i know |
| [09:11:01] | juski: | database backup |
| [09:11:02] | pak0: | i have all my videos on another partition |
| [09:11:07] | juski: | *database* |
| [09:11:12] | sulx: | ye database |
| [09:11:13] | pak0: | and my database its empty |
| [09:11:26] | pak0: | no posters on it |
| [09:11:29] | juski: | it can't be empty or mythtv wouldn't work |
| [09:11:39] | pak0: | only the config of channels and few more |
| [09:11:44] | pak0: | no problem if i loss all :P |
| [09:11:53] | juski: | on your head be it then |
| [09:12:01] | pak0: | xD |
| [09:12:27] | sulx: | im struggling with EIT program data with trunk now...can't seem to get it working anymore =D |
| [09:12:46] | pak0: | hmm |
| [09:13:08] | pak0: | a problem, i use it but on spain the EIT sux, al channels dont have respect for the eit |
| [09:13:17] | pak0: | the war of audience i think |
| [09:13:58] | juski: | their own loss at the end of the day |
| [09:14:47] | juski: | viewers will get bored of slack scheduling eventually |
| [09:16:30] | juski: | ooo Torchpoo is back next week |
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| [09:17:15] | juski: | still has Mole Man at the helm though :-\ |
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| [10:33:15] | solv: | I've got an issue with recording overtime that I don't know if it's a bug or just some setting I don't know about: I have two tuner cards (both single tuner) and globally set overtime to record all programs over 10 minutes because shows here in Australia on commercial tele always go way over. Anyway if I have two programs that record from 7 to 7:30 for example and then just one program starts at 7:30, both tuners drop out at 7:30 instead of one dropping |
| [10:33:39] | solv: | hope that makes sense |
| [10:37:59] | at0m: | solv: makes sense – maybe offset one of them another minute? that'd maybe be a solution i can come up with, not being a dev.. |
| [10:38:47] | at0m: | but maybe they'd both still drop off, since their ending time in the EPG is still the same |
| [10:40:38] | sid3windr: | sounds like a bug? |
| [10:41:12] | solv: | yeah...although maybe its just too hard to implement...i mean i guess someone would want to choose which tuner goes off first |
| [10:43:42] | juski: | ruh? |
| [10:44:02] | juski: | ah now I get it |
| [10:44:23] | juski: | def .sounds like a bug |
| [10:44:37] | sid3windr: | this happens every time? |
| [10:44:41] | sid3windr: | i.e. reproducible? :) |
| [10:44:50] | solv: | I woulda thought someone would have come across it before me. |
| [10:44:53] | solv: | yeah everytime |
| [10:45:16] | solv: | and it's happened with knoppmyth and linhes which use different versions of myth.... |
| [10:45:19] | juski: | where you set hard padding to overrun recordings consecutive shows will always be cut to the guide end time |
| [10:46:10] | juski: | a way around it is to set each recording to overrun 10 mins yourself every time you set a schedule up |
| [10:46:17] | solv: | yeah that's cool....but one of the tuners should still go over while one cuts off |
| [10:48:50] | juski: | are we talking about actual tuners here? |
| [10:49:04] | juski: | as in hardware devices,not 'encoders' |
| [10:53:04] | solv: | juski...yep |
| [10:54:03] | solv: | two single tuner technisat airstar 2 cards....both have the ability to do multirec as well so i have 4 tuners...but only 2 real ones per se |
| [10:57:53] | juski: | FFS my inlaws have plans to spoil my birthday celebrations again this year |
| [10:58:24] | juski: | they go ahead & book travel/hotel stuff and THEN tell us they're coming. F***ERS |
| [10:58:48] | juski: | it's beyond rude not to ask first |
| [11:00:12] | gbee: | juski: so you calmly inform them that you've already booked a week away and won't be home? |
| [11:01:02] | solv: | juski, obviously you adore your inlaws |
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| [11:04:13] | rooaus: | juski: Tell them there was no need to book a hotel as you wont be home and they can house sit your place. |
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| [11:06:18] | solv: | rooaus, nice ;) |
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| [11:22:17] | Xell_: | Has someone an idea on how i can watch/record video over s-video, if have nothing connected to the tuner in (meaning no channel list, epg etc.)? |
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| [11:33:24] | juski: | svideo is just another tuner input :) |
| [11:33:38] | juski: | so make a 'video source' for it & assign it an input connection |
| [11:34:35] | juski: | of course, if your tuner is a framegrabber, it's audio is already connected to an input on your soundcard which kinda makes it pointless to even consider |
| [11:34:51] | gbee: | Manual Record can be used to record, but if you are looking to transfer some old VHS tapes to digital then myth isn't designed for that task |
| [11:35:33] | juski: | and if you're looking to use it to connect a games console, forget it unless your precognition skills are awesome :P |
| [11:36:05] | gbee: | if it's a security cam etc, well again myth isn't really designed for that, but you can fake some EPG data or setup a series of back to back manual recordings (did that recently) |
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| [11:38:52] | juski: | and if your tuner card is a digital one which happens to have video inputs, it will be tricky to set up but possible |
| [11:40:11] | juski: | gbee: for archival of VHS etc it wouldn't be too hard to make a plugin to do it, in theory but nobody has bothered yet :) |
| [11:41:21] | Xell_: | okay, thanks for the help. The problem is, i have an old analogue card but only satellite tv here. I thought of connecting the receiver to the s-video in |
| [11:41:42] | Xell_: | but then i'll just buy a cheap sat tuner card |
| [11:42:19] | juski: | ah |
| [11:42:33] | juski: | that's not quite what you intimated before |
| [11:42:42] | gbee: | Xell_: well you said you had no EPG so we assumed you didn't mean TV, but you can get EPGs for most countries so you probably won't have that problem |
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| [11:43:32] | juski: | recording digital TV directly is by far the best way to go |
| [11:44:05] | gbee: | mythtv supports that usage, in fact until the tipping point was reached with digital, I'd say most people use it that way with a STB connected to the s-video input of a PVR-150 or similar |
| [11:44:05] | juski: | then you get the video exactly as it's broadcast with no loss of quality |
| [11:44:53] | gbee: | but if you can use a DVB-S card (the satellite signal is unencrypted or there are legal cams available) then you probably should |
| [11:45:36] | juski: | basically all you need do if you *really* want to use the lame old tuner card is connect the STB to it, hook up the audio to your soundcard's line input & set up mythtv to use that input on the card. Oh and you'll definitely need a way for mythtv to change channels on the satellite box (i.e. an IR Blaster) |
| [11:47:07] | Xell_: | uh... thats far more curcuitious than i thought... and lots of useless decoding/encoding, as you pointed out |
| [11:47:32] | juski: | well not *lots* but certainly one more encode |
| [11:52:19] | Xell_: | gbee, making epg data for a security cam would make you look like an accomplice ;) |
| [11:52:49] | juski: | heh. got a 'plan B' for the inlaws visit. I'm going away that weekend. For real :D |
| [11:53:50] | juski: | my wife can entertain them instead. It's her fault after all |
| [11:59:23] | Xell_: | Okay, im off to my hardware dealer, thanks for the help |
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| [12:02:39] | juski: | oops. should've slipped in about the need to consult the linuxtv.org wiki first. D'oh |
| [12:05:18] | juski: | oh noes! TPB site has been sold :D |
| [12:06:38] | jduggan: | yea |
| [12:06:41] | jduggan: | thats such a waste of money |
| [12:06:57] | juski: | pays orf their fine rather nicely though |
| [12:07:03] | juski: | and leaves em with a rather neat profit |
| [12:07:13] | jduggan: | yea, i meant waste for that new gaming company |
| [12:07:22] | juski: | figured :) |
| [12:07:45] | juski: | becuzz all teh PB users will just switch to the new payment for warez model right? ;-) |
| [12:07:49] | jduggan: | not that i torrent, certainly not often.. but knowing that there's some commercial entity running tpb, no way would i risk using it now |
| [12:07:58] | jduggan: | yea exactly |
| [12:08:18] | juski: | bout time the ISPs stopped being hypocrites too IMHO |
| [12:08:31] | jduggan: | if they think all those people downloading movies for nothing are going to start paying... unless theyre super cheap i dont think that would be the case |
| [12:09:05] | juski: | cracking down on downloaders on the one hand, while on the other sending users emails proclaiming greater binary newsgroup retention & increased group population overall |
| [12:09:20] | jduggan: | yea |
| [12:09:30] | juski: | thats Virgin Media btw |
| [12:09:36] | honk: | jduggan: after getting bought out it'll change to be legal – like napster did ;P |
| [12:09:49] | jduggan: | honk: yes, hence my second comment |
| [12:09:53] | honk: | you wouldnt have to fear prosecution – but you'd probably get ripped off ;P |
| [12:10:07] | juski: | wonder how much a 'CAM' of the latest blockbuster movie will cost then :D |
| [12:10:14] | jduggan: | juski: haha |
| [12:10:20] | honk: | lol |
| [12:10:32] | jduggan: | CAM of a workprint |
| [12:10:36] | jduggan: | :) |
| [12:11:27] | juski: | taking iTunes for example.. how much are movies on there.. £3.50 or something daft? you can go & see them for not all that much more |
| [12:11:42] | jduggan: | yea |
| [12:11:45] | juski: | and own a decent quality copy for not much more again |
| [12:12:28] | juski: | mmmmmm scam |
| [12:12:30] | jduggan: | yea thats it... you can get full experience of the cinema for maybe 1.50 more...... once you've seen the cinema you can afford to wait until its on 3 for 20 deal, or a fiver and have a decent hard copy |
| [12:12:55] | juski: | it's why I've only ever used PPV VoD about twice in my life |
| [12:13:49] | juski: | starting to come round to the £1 model way of thinking. I mean.. what's a quid? ;-) |
| [12:14:38] | gbee: | I watch a film a week on PPV VoD, maybe more if there is something else I want to see |
| [12:15:10] | jduggan: | ive used it once or twice |
| [12:15:24] | jduggan: | how much are VM charging these days? |
| [12:15:27] | juski: | I gave up on it ages ago – we got our wide telly & there was next to nothing in widescreen |
| [12:15:40] | juski: | they're not even in surround damnit |
| [12:15:48] | jduggan: | vm iirc was like 3.50 |
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| [12:15:53] | jduggan: | thats a one off watch |
| [12:15:57] | juski: | give the box digital audio out :) |
| [12:15:57] | jduggan: | :( |
| [12:16:16] | juski: | per movie watched it's still prolly better than Sky though |
| [12:16:25] | juski: | as in *worth* watching ;) |
| [12:16:48] | gbee: | jduggan: it's still between 2.50 and 4 depending on the film |
| [12:16:58] | jduggan: | 2.50 is reasonable |
| [12:17:06] | juski: | £3.99 ain't |
| [12:17:11] | jduggan: | 4 is pushing it to DVD costs |
| [12:17:18] | jduggan: | :\ |
| [12:17:29] | gbee: | can't say I've seen many DVDs I want for £4 |
| [12:17:47] | jduggan: | most of my collection came from either dvds for a fiver, or 3 for 20quid |
| [12:17:52] | gbee: | usually a 24hour window, so I've often watch half the following day if I fell asleep :) |
| [12:18:09] | juski: | now there's a sign of a film worthy of viewing ;) |
| [12:18:14] | jduggan: | lol |
| [12:18:19] | gbee: | jduggan: yeah, personally don't see the point in owning a physical copy of something I'm probably not going to watch again |
| [12:18:30] | gbee: | and which I've got to find storage space for |
| [12:18:55] | jduggan: | but it makes my epenis so much bigger :) |
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| [12:19:00] | juski: | of all the DVDs I own I think I've only ever watched a couple of things more than once |
| [12:19:19] | juski: | as for the box sets.. I wish to God they'd trim the opening titles off |
| [12:19:19] | jduggan: | i mean uh... thats true, but i like owning movies that i enjoy, i often recommend/lend to family/friends |
| [12:19:52] | gbee: | you'd laugh if you knew how small my DVD collection is, but every single one is a film I'd be willing to watch over and over |
| [12:20:06] | juski: | hell they could even make the menu code play the intro titles once & jump into the main bit |
| [12:20:37] | gbee: | well ok, not every one, I might have bought a couple on impulse ... |
| [12:21:06] | juski: | last DVD I bought for myself was 'Minority Report' & only cos it had a DTS soundtrack & I'd just got my AV receiver |
| [12:21:11] | gbee: | juski: I've rented some boxsets in the past that did exactly that, had the option to play back to back without titles |
| [12:21:23] | juski: | whee! about time! |
| [12:21:38] | juski: | somebody tell the Family Guy & American Dad DVD authoring company! |
| [12:22:30] | gbee: | first DVD I bought is my only double sided disk, 4:3 on one side, 16:9 on the other |
| [12:24:00] | juski: | wonder if we'll ever see bluray discs with unlockable features – which is allegedly meant to make titles 'cheaper' if you don't want extras guff |
| [12:24:21] | juski: | course now it's all wide open I doubt it |
| [12:26:32] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: hehe I have acouple of those :) |
| [12:27:36] | juski: | reminds me I could really do with a 16:9 copy of 'Communion' I refuse to watch 4:3 |
| [12:27:52] | juski: | in region 1 it was 16:9 (!) |
| [12:28:15] | juski: | last place I'd have expected it to be widescreen :D |
| [12:29:28] | juski: | TWENTY FIVE QUID?! **** off! |
| [12:37:08] | juski: | on the plus side, just found a double discwithf a classic 50s scifi flick on R2 for £5.99 :) |
| [12:37:50] | wagnerrp: | communion? never heard of it |
| [12:38:02] | juski: | probably crap, never seen it |
| [12:38:25] | juski: | not paying £25 for the privilege of owning an NTSC copy though |
| [12:40:36] | wagnerrp: | looks like it was called a couple other things over here |
| [12:48:56] | gbee: | Walken one? |
| [12:49:25] | wagnerrp: | christopher walken? no, hes not in it |
| [12:49:52] | gbee: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097100/ |
| [12:50:05] | gbee: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076150/ |
| [12:50:23] | wagnerrp: | oh, i came across the latter |
| [12:50:30] | wagnerrp: | didnt see the former |
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| [12:56:01] | juski: | he's in it |
| [12:56:07] | juski: | least the box says so |
| [12:57:07] | juski: | of the 2 imdb links it's the former |
| [12:57:18] | juski: | £25 though, they can stick it |
| [13:02:50] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to reliably tell recording file size from mythtv? |
| [13:03:28] | wagnerrp: | looks like the database has it... |
| [13:03:30] | juski: | bitrate x length of time :) |
| [13:04:10] | wagnerrp: | well then where am i supposed to find the bitrate?.. :P |
| [13:05:20] | juski: | I'd have thought recorded.filesize would be absolute |
| [13:05:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, recorded.filesize is absolute |
| [13:05:36] | juski: | (in bytes) |
| [13:05:51] | wagnerrp: | but QUERY_RECORDING returns a pair of signed integers |
| [13:06:06] | wagnerrp: | anything over 2GB is broken |
| [13:06:18] | wagnerrp: | and anything over 4GB, you have no way of calculating |
| [13:08:17] | juski: | seem to remember somebody else spotting that ages ago |
| [13:08:44] | juski: | 2GB? Oh we'll never have file sizes bigger than that, don't worry :D |
| [13:09:00] | juski: | 2GB is more than enough for users to store all their media needs |
| [13:09:13] | wagnerrp: | if anything file sizes have gone down |
| [13:09:29] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2 does considerably better than rtjpeg |
| [13:10:07] | juski: | maybe query_recording has a bug-ette ;-) |
| [13:10:32] | juski: | definitely think I remember somebody bringing the 2GB limit up ages ago |
| [13:10:59] | wagnerrp: | maybe theres a ticket somewhere... |
| [13:13:55] | juski: | wonder why it'd return 2 INTs anyway |
| [13:14:23] | wagnerrp: | from the perl binding docs, seems its the 'upper 32-bits' and 'lower 32-bits' |
| [13:14:58] | wagnerrp: | two ints, for a long |
| [13:15:18] | juski: | makes sense |
| [13:16:23] | wagnerrp: | guess i might as well put something into the bindings to properly convert that |
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| [13:21:06] | wagnerrp: | 'Killed'.... well thats certainly not a good response |
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| [13:23:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: right... 2 32-bit ints representing the file size. |
| [13:23:47] | wagnerrp: | why couldnt they at least be uints.... |
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| [13:26:44] | sphery: | did you see the bindings code for putting them together? |
| [13:26:47] | sphery: | it's in Recording.pm |
| [13:27:02] | sphery: | $self->{'filesize'} = ($self->{'fs_high'} + ($self->{'fs_low'} < 0)) * 4294967296 + $self->{'fs_low'}; |
| [13:27:41] | sphery: | so, it seems they are 32-bit unsigned values (because of the * 4294967296) |
| [13:27:44] | wagnerrp: | huh... hadnt thought to use a logical as a multiplier |
| [13:28:29] | wagnerrp: | nope, theyre signed |
| [13:28:56] | wagnerrp: | it just corrects it with that ($self->{'fs_low'} <0) bit |
| [13:29:17] | wagnerrp: | adds an extra 2^32 if its a negative value |
| [13:29:25] | wagnerrp: | and assumes fs_high will never go negative |
| [13:29:58] | wagnerrp: | oh the lack of foresight, thinking well never have files 2**61 bytes large... |
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| [13:31:16] | juski: | wonder how there could ever be recordings of *negative* size anyway! |
| [13:32:46] | sphery: | well, filesize is a long long in programinfo, so it's a 64-bit signed integer value. The fact that we split it in 2 means that the 2nd value (if represent as a signed value) will look like a negative if the end bit is 1 |
| [13:33:21] | juski: | pretty safe to assume that if it's negative, something is wrong :D |
| [13:33:33] | wagnerrp: | well its represented as a string value, produced as a signed |
| [13:33:34] | sphery: | so, since it's writing it as the tostring of an int, it writes it as negative |
| [13:33:44] | juski: | ah duh |
| [13:34:05] | sphery: | so why are we down to 61 bits? |
| [13:34:51] | sphery: | seems 63 from programinfo |
| [13:34:52] | wagnerrp: | if both integers are stringified as a signed int, they they can both go negative |
| [13:35:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah... 61, not 63 |
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| [13:35:06] | wagnerrp: | my bad |
| [13:35:28] | wagnerrp: | just saying theres correction on the low bits, but not the high bits |
| [13:35:39] | juski: | one would think that even 61 bits would be enough for a while though :) |
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| [13:35:53] | sphery: | yeah, cause we really used a signed value for filesize in programinfo |
| [13:36:02] | sphery: | but 63bits should last a while |
| [13:36:22] | wagnerrp: | but i already have some recordings pushing 5 exabytes! |
| [13:36:39] | sphery: | currently 1,290,555 times as large as my 6.5TB of available storage :) |
| [13:36:44] | juski: | ponder the storage device for that :D |
| [13:37:06] | wagnerrp: | ponder the drivel that would contain |
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| [13:37:11] | juski: | doesn't even bear thinking about :D |
| [13:37:42] | juski: | like asking my 11 year old self to imagine a 16GB microSDHC card existing in 2009 |
| [13:38:41] | juski: | amazing to think that things have come on so much in a relatively short space of time though |
| [13:39:01] | wagnerrp: | well they think theyre about at their limits for flash memory |
| [13:39:11] | juski: | "can mythtv record super-HDTV?" |
| [13:39:24] | juski: | "ok, what about Super-3D-Holovision?" |
| [13:39:33] | wagnerrp: | theyre getting close to the limit at which there are no longer enough atoms in a cell to maintain data integrity over its lifetime |
| [13:39:56] | sphery: | So, today is Stargate day at Amazon. SG-1 Complete Series (10 seasons) on DVD for $131.99 , then Lightning Deals all day long for various other Stargate stuff (currently Continuum for $7.99, next probably The Ark of Truth, then a bunch of Atlantis DVD's). |
| [13:40:05] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: ^^^^ |
| [13:40:05] | gbee: | I think I would have wondered at the idea of something half the size of a stamp capable of storing the equivalent of 11,000 3.25" floppies (@1.44Mb) |
| [13:40:53] | ** juski still remembers that April Fools edition of Going Live where flip schofield claimed to have a thing the size of a box of matches which held his entire music collection in superb quality ** | |
| [13:41:08] | juski: | must've been more than 20 years ago, that |
| [13:41:20] | wagnerrp: | supposedly flash is going to have to start stacking vertically, like hard drives currently do |
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| [13:41:36] | wagnerrp: | although at that point, i wonder how theyre going to manage heat in a solid state device |
| [13:41:38] | gbee: | I don't ... |
| [13:41:39] | sphery: | juski: the first experiments recording Super-3D-Holovision went awry and Moriarty came alive and started wreaking havoc |
| [13:42:07] | juski: | sphery: ah yes, I remember now |
| [13:42:18] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thats just because some dumbass engineer tried to program the computer to beat the computer |
| [13:42:23] | juski: | DAMN, I just gave myself away as the time-travelling cheat that I am |
| [13:42:30] | sphery: | heh |
| [13:42:41] | sphery: | so that's how you make these themes that are so far ahead of their time? |
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| [13:42:49] | juski: | lol |
| [13:43:09] | juski: | yeah in the future, I can code – but that ability didn't travel back with me |
| [13:43:13] | sphery: | much to be said for going to the future and getting a copy of the theme after you've already made it so you can save yourself the trouble of making it |
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| [13:44:38] | juski: | gbee: btw mythui still seems a bit segfaulty when stuff is missing/wrong in xml files. torn between pressing on or getting debug info to fix problems that should never appear |
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| [13:45:06] | juski: | I'll try getting a backtrace from the mythvideo segfault tonight |
| [13:45:18] | gbee: | yeah I haven't spent as much time on fixing those issues as I thought I would |
| [13:45:36] | juski: | catch-22 :) |
| [13:45:49] | juski: | if the xml was always right it wouldn't happen |
| [13:45:50] | sphery: | Sweet... The mobo I just got from newegg has been on 2 of the weekly specials since I bought it--and both times for exactly what I paid for it. :) |
| [13:46:37] | juski: | definitely going to need help with this size mangling code. I really have no idea what I'm doing :D |
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| [13:48:07] | gbee: | well I'll see if I can't drag myself out of this malaise to help |
| [13:48:48] | juski: | it's doing *something* cos my menu buttons & a lot of other buttons have gone invisible :P |
| [13:49:30] | gbee: | probably collapsing the areas to zero :) |
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| [13:49:44] | juski: | my 'coder' pals at work are no use. they look at even the simplest section of c++ & just shrug |
| [13:50:10] | juski: | yeah maybe, or possibly expanding them to wider than the display area |
| [13:50:28] | juski: | though that doesn't seem to be what the debug text says |
| [13:51:16] | gbee: | 13 credits left and I can't make up my mind which tracks/album to download ... choice is evil |
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| [13:53:25] | juski: | wtf? just accidentally found a page about Qt webkit & CSS3 animations |
| [13:56:52] | juski: | html5 canvas with SVG sprites? sheesh on a stick |
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| [14:06:54] | juski: | reminds me I need to make some HD background loops :) |
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| [14:17:33] | gbee: | someone did that recently, wasn't pretty, took a lot of memory :/ |
| [14:17:56] | juski: | I did it back in January |
| [14:18:18] | juski: | the background I used wasn't quite suitable & playback was a bit bitty |
| [14:18:26] | juski: | image loading etc needs threaded off IIRC |
| [14:18:58] | juski: | as a proof of concept though, did the job I think |
| [14:19:14] | gbee: | yeah, still does |
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| [14:28:34] | juski: | yeah definitely want to revisit concept & try some of the new tricks – masking etc :) |
| [14:30:14] | juski: | needs variable width buttons though or it'll fail |
| [14:31:10] | juski: | and if variable width buttons are doable, variable height buttons could be handy for junk like program details screens – roll that into variable sized scrollable areas even |
| [14:32:06] | juski: | running before I'm even alive, again |
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| [14:59:40] | Essobi: | And to everyone else, G'morning. :) |
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| [15:08:43] | superdug: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101079 |
| [15:08:59] | superdug: | do you think there would be enough horsepower in that guy to be a backend server? |
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| [15:14:03] | cesman: | the backend isn't where you need the horsepower |
| [15:15:11] | sid3windr: | depends if you're using framegrabber :> |
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| [15:19:25] | gbee: | even then, people were using framegrabbers on really old hardware even 5 years ago |
| [15:19:51] | gbee: | meh, should pay more attention to my typing |
| [15:20:03] | GreyFoxx: | My P3 650 was happily recording from my framegrabber and I bought that in 2000 |
| [15:20:19] | GreyFoxx: | it ALMOST had enough to receord and playback, but that wsa choppy |
| [15:20:33] | GreyFoxx: | a duron 1ghz recorded and played back without studdering |
| [15:20:51] | wagnerrp: | does the backend have to be restarted to reset job run allowances? |
| [15:21:11] | wagnerrp: | checking off "this backend can run this job" |
| [15:21:12] | GreyFoxx: | Something you edit in mythtv-setup ? |
| [15:21:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [15:21:18] | GreyFoxx: | then yeah |
| [15:22:43] | GreyFoxx: | oooh, my LCD has been repaired |
| [15:22:50] | GreyFoxx: | wonder if I can get off early to go get it |
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| [15:31:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice work on the python bindings... |
| [15:31:28] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: did you see my mention of Amazon's Stargate day, today? |
| [15:31:31] | wagnerrp: | just a means to an end |
| [15:31:57] | wagnerrp: | about to throw up the end as well, if i can get it to run through the jobqueue properly |
| [15:31:59] | sphery: | well, I (a big proponent of scripts using the bindings) appreciate the means |
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| [15:32:07] | sphery: | cool |
| [15:32:31] | stoth: | sigh vdpau |
| [15:32:54] | wagnerrp: | it runs from the command line just fine, but errors out from the job queue |
| [15:33:24] | wagnerrp: | i need to learn how to use the myth logging functions to figure out where the problem is |
| [15:34:15] | cesman: | wagnerrp: tail -f /path/to/foo.log |
| [15:34:22] | cesman: | wagnerrp: start the job and watch the log |
| [15:34:56] | wagnerrp: | cesman: i have it set up to interface with the jobqueue table like how mythcommflag does |
| [15:35:15] | wagnerrp: | although i suppose now that i have an errored entry in the table, i can just run it off that from the command line |
| [15:35:47] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: No.... what is it |
| [15:35:47] | GreyFoxx: | ? |
| [15:38:16] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: SG-1 Complete Series (10 seasons) on DVD for $131.99 , then Lightning Deals all day long for various other Stargate stuff (you missed Continuum for $7.99, now The Ark of Truth for $7.99, then a bunch of Atlantis DVD's--probably also around $7.99). |
| [15:38:29] | sphery: | Gold Box deal for series. |
| [15:38:59] | sphery: | lightning deals are 2–3hrs long each |
| [15:39:18] | sphery: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/ref=xs_gb_logo |
| [15:39:51] | CyberKnet: | Why this inundation of Stargate ... is it some sort of anniversary? |
| [15:39:52] | stoth: | I'm using mplayer from mythtv to play mkvs, and the performance on my slowish system sucks. CPU is usually close to 100% and peaks then I have sync issues. I'm running 9.04 with a nvidia 8600 so I should have some mplayer vdpau options, right? – although, I may have to custom build mplayer. Anyone got any experience with this? |
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| [15:41:32] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Nice |
| [15:41:34] | JYA: | what distribution are you running ? |
| [15:41:42] | JYA: | to stoth.. |
| [15:41:57] | CyberKnet: | 8600 GT and 8600 GTS are supported |
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| [15:42:18] | JYA: | stoth: create a ~/.mplayer/config with the following line |
| [15:42:19] | JYA: | # Default to VDPAU output and codecs |
| [15:42:19] | JYA: | vo=vdpau,xv, |
| [15:42:19] | JYA: | vc=ffh264vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau, |
| [15:42:25] | GreyFoxx: | At one point you had to tell mplayer to use the VDPAU decoder... is that still true ? |
| [15:42:46] | JYA: | this will tell mpayer to use vdpau first, and if it can't it will go back to the default |
| [15:42:47] | wagnerrp: | does mainline mplayer have VDPAU support yet? |
| [15:42:55] | JYA: | GreeFoxx: that is still the case. |
| [15:43:01] | wagnerrp: | or do you still have to compile it manually using nVidia's patches and scripts |
| [15:43:15] | JYA: | no... vdpau support is now in ffmpeg |
| [15:43:33] | janneg: | GreyFoxx: I think so |
| [15:43:38] | JYA: | nvidia patches is what mythtv is based on... mplayer uses ffmpeg |
| [15:43:58] | janneg: | stoth: try mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffh264vdpau |
| [15:44:27] | CyberKnet: | stoth: I assume your nvidia driver is version 180.06 or later, as well... |
| [15:44:35] | janneg: | s/h264/vc1/ for VC-1 |
| [15:45:21] | GreyFoxx: | janneg: I don't suppose the beagle board guys gave yuo a sample to play with ? :) |
| [15:46:02] | janneg: | it should be possible to set preffered video out and decoders in mplayers config file. see man mplayer |
| [15:46:12] | janneg: | GreyFoxx: at least not yet |
| [15:46:27] | GreyFoxx: | janneg: hehe that would be a fun toy |
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| [15:47:16] | ** CyberKnet google beagleboard ** | |
| [15:47:42] | GreyFoxx: | janneg: I saw your patch and thought maybe they gave you one to try out |
| [15:47:50] | JYA: | janneg: I just posted what to put in ~/.mplayer/config |
| [15:47:52] | JYA: | vo=vdpau,xv, |
| [15:47:52] | JYA: | vc=ffh264vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau, |
| [15:48:05] | stoth: | janneg: I tried rebuilding mplayer last night after an hour of googling, but the build failed. Does the stock 9.04 have vdpau support (I'll be embarrased if this is the case). |
| [15:48:10] | JYA: | the end , is important |
| [15:48:21] | JYA: | stoth: no it doesn;t |
| [15:48:59] | janneg: | GreyFoxx: well, that was easily testable with --disable-mmx |
| [15:49:17] | JYA: | stoth: mplayer won't compile using stock 9.04 h264 libraries... Either recompiled those as well, or add --disable-x264 |
| [15:49:28] | stoth: | hmm, lemme check that. |
| [15:49:34] | JYA: | it will then build fine with 9.04 |
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| [15:50:25] | janneg: | stoth: I don't know if above command line works it has. otherwise check if the mplayer package has vdpau dependencies or suggestions |
| [15:50:42] | JYA: | alternatively, I've made mplayer packages , would be easier for you |
| [15:51:07] | stoth: | ooooo, yes please. |
| [15:51:16] | stoth: | these are my build instructons btw: http://blog.avirtualhome.com/2009/02/10/compi . . . t-on-ubuntu/ |
| [15:51:29] | stoth: | instructions that don't work. |
| [15:51:36] | JYA: | stoth: to compile mplayer with vdpau, all you need to do is install nvidia-libvdpau-dev , and compile with --disable-x264 |
| [15:51:57] | JYA: | that's with Ubuntu 9.04 |
| [15:51:57] | janneg: | GreyFoxx: I would probably build a kitchen frontend using the beagle board and a display |
| [15:52:19] | CyberKnet: | the beagleboard only has dvi-d, not hdmi out... right? |
| [15:52:32] | janneg: | stoth: try a plain mplayer checkout with --enable-vdpau |
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| [15:52:57] | janneg: | CyberKnet: yes, DVI-D using a HDMI connector |
| [15:53:15] | CyberKnet: | which means, no audio over HDMI using a beagleboard |
| [15:53:34] | janneg: | yes |
| [15:53:35] | wagnerrp: | depends, DVI-D can transmit audio just as well as HDMI |
| [15:53:36] | JYA: | --enable-vdpau isn't recommended , because it checks by default if vdpau libraries are there or not. If they aren't there, --enable-vdpau will force the build to compile with it, and it will fail at runtime |
| [15:53:48] | wagnerrp: | just depends on whether the TMDS transmitter supports it |
| [15:53:52] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Oh. Please excuse my ignorance. |
| [15:54:15] | janneg: | TMDS transmitter on the beagle board doesn't support it |
| [15:54:18] | wagnerrp: | most DVI hardware does not, but i recall someone in here a couple days ago saying their card did |
| [15:54:35] | CyberKnet: | aah.a shame. |
| [15:54:39] | wagnerrp: | now that could have been a complete lie... i dont know |
| [15:55:31] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: more of an unlicensed hdmi hack than dvi then. |
| [15:55:50] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: pretty much |
| [15:56:08] | JYA: | wagnerrp: the 9400M on my nvidia boards supports audio over the DVI port, but it has an HDMI port and it's just the same signal being sent to both |
| [15:56:48] | wagnerrp: | the last few gens of nvidia cards will all send an audio descriptor over DVI, whether or not they actually support sending audio |
| [15:56:54] | CyberKnet: | other than that, the beagleboard looks very nice, and native boot from SD seems pretty attractive. |
| [15:57:13] | wagnerrp: | it causes a problem with some TVs that dont let you select the audio input |
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| [15:58:43] | sphery: | janneg: speaking of the no-mmx fix, are we going to put either a warning or a just error the configure (possibly with a configure override) when someome builds on x86* without mmx? |
| [15:59:22] | wagnerrp: | in trac, how do you link to another ticket? |
| [15:59:22] | sphery: | on both the 0.20 and 0.21 releases, several distros began distributing builds without mmx and users complained about how much slower the new versions were |
| [15:59:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: only thing we can do now is just reference it--i.e. See #5267 |
| [16:00:02] | wagnerrp: | ah, just put a pound in front, ok |
| [16:00:04] | sphery: | I think gnome42 is looking into possibly getting a plugin that allows better linking |
| [16:00:30] | sphery: | Oh, yeah... # (pound/hash/number) for ticket number and [] around changeset number |
| [16:00:37] | JYA: | How can you start mythfrontend is it doesn't check where the backend is using upnp ? despite what I have set in ~/.mythtv/config.xml and mysql.txt, it keeps looking for another backend than the one I want to us |
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| [16:01:10] | janneg: | sphery: yes, not sure what exactly. |
| [16:01:21] | sphery: | --disable-autodiscovery |
| [16:01:42] | sphery: | janneg: cool... would be nice to prevent that problem for 0.22 |
| [16:01:44] | JYA: | thanks... was all in -h :( will teach me ... |
| [16:02:09] | JYA: | any reasons why the mythtv exe doesn't accept -v playback anymore? was very useful for doing simple tests |
| [16:03:02] | janneg: | sphery: I suspect that even a big fat warning wouldn't help. so it's probably an error |
| [16:03:50] | janneg: | and disabling the check with --i-am-using-disable-mmx-for-debugging |
| [16:05:55] | CyberKnet: | Well, I look forward to a potential future beagleboard with a bit more ram, and maybe hdmi support. That seems like a great project. |
| [16:06:10] | gnome42: | janneg: that sounds quite sensible (error or deliberately opt out) |
| [16:08:55] | gnome42: | --herd-of-turtles-through-a-pail-of-glue :) |
| [16:14:04] | wagnerrp: | bleh... forgot to put the proper component on the ticket |
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| [16:16:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] Helped a friend wipe his Winblows7 test box with Fedora 11 last-night – everything worked 'out of the box' except for his wireless and Flash... pretty impressed! (But I don't like KDE4!) |
| [16:17:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | (laptop btw... was quite impressed that *all* drivers worked 'out of the box' – just had to install firmware for the wireless [broadvox], the Nvidia binary driver and Adobe 64-bit flash...) |
| [16:17:24] | wagnerrp: | why do people keep wanting to run backends on hardware with no expansion slots and room for a single hard drive? |
| [16:17:40] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: beats me |
| [16:17:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: maybe they like USB? (ick!) |
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| [16:18:40] | wagnerrp: | like superdug's atom system above (and in #mythtv) |
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| [16:19:00] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt even have eSATA or firewire for decent external storage |
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| [16:20:57] | wagnerrp: | i suppose you could get a HDHR for a digital tuner, but any analog recording, or video capture off an STB is going to require a bunch of dongles hanging off the thing |
| [16:21:06] | wagnerrp: | so much for small or stylish |
| [16:22:22] | wagnerrp: | no digital capture either |
| [16:22:41] | wagnerrp: | you *can* get USB/firewire adaptors, but they cost as much as that whole Atom board |
| [16:23:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah, no kidding. I almost said it would make a good frontend – but Intel Atom?!? And what gfx chipset, Intel? EEK! |
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| [16:28:54] | GreyFoxx: | I'd use atoms as file servers, and ions as FE's |
| [16:29:31] | CyberKnet: | I'm curious though ... if we're eeking over even an N330 atom (don't know what superdug had, but let's suppose), would the OPAM3530 in the beagleboard really be any better? |
| [16:29:52] | CyberKnet: | s/OPAM/OMAP) |
| [16:31:15] | CyberKnet: | GreyFoxx: I hear concerns from folks about the atom cpu in an ion board being able to decode sd/hd video without vdpau assist if something in the video stream goes south and vdpau declines to decode... or something to that effect that I haven't expressed well. you don't have the same concern? |
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| [16:31:37] | GreyFoxx: | I don't |
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| [16:32:41] | GreyFoxx: | I've been running VDPAU for decoding of all my content for over a month only 1 video that gave me glitches |
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| [16:32:55] | CyberKnet: | GreyFoxx: So you think that ... for instance ... the intel N330 ATOM (dual core, at 1.6Ghz) could decode SD and HD video without vdpau? or you just have faith in vdpau? |
| [16:32:59] | GreyFoxx: | and it was not on purpose. I had just forgotten to turn the option off |
| [16:33:13] | janneg: | CyberKnet: SD is no problem for the atom, H264 HD is impossible. I got 4 fps on my netbook |
| [16:33:47] | GreyFoxx: | CyberKnet: I have enough faith in vdpau as from my experience it works very well |
| [16:34:01] | CyberKnet: | Interesting. |
| [16:34:07] | CyberKnet: | thank you for your opinion :) |
| [16:34:28] | CyberKnet: | janneg: Also thanks to you ... that's good to know. |
| [16:34:32] | janneg: | CyberKnet: high bitrate mpeg2 1080i is probably also too much for a dual core atom |
| [16:34:33] | GreyFoxx: | I have had more problems getting a popcorn hour to play mpeg2 recordings from a pvr card than I did with vdpau |
| [16:34:52] | CyberKnet: | a popcorn hour? |
| [16:34:59] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, my mother in laws "frontend" |
| [16:35:16] | GreyFoxx: | she uses a real FE on 1 TV, and a popcorn hour in her bedroom |
| [16:35:20] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: sure, and you would probably build your own using a board with a number of ports, and a case with space for multiple hard drives |
| [16:35:20] | tank-man: | H264 sd content is playable on an intel atom if youre interested |
| [16:35:25] | CyberKnet: | never heard of a popcorn hour |
| [16:35:50] | GreyFoxx: | CyberKnet: Nifty little hardware players. play just about anything and fairly well |
| [16:35:52] | CyberKnet: | (googling now) |
| [16:36:12] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: Of course I would build my own :) |
| [16:36:13] | tank-man: | another alternative to the popcorn hour is the wdtv |
| [16:37:11] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: which is my complaint about that thing... it has no room for expansion, and thats next to the only thing a backend needs anymore |
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| [16:37:50] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: I would generally want more PCI slots, but for a basic file server, an atom, + pci sata card gets me everything I need |
| [16:38:14] | wagnerrp: | that board has no PCI slot, and neither does the case |
| [16:38:27] | GreyFoxx: | I don't know what specific board you mean, nore which case |
| [16:38:35] | CyberKnet: | I suppose I'll keep waiting for something akin to the Acer Aspire Revo but with dual core and a dvd drive to come out in the USA. |
| [16:38:39] | GreyFoxx: | But every atom mother board we have in my office has a single pci slot |
| [16:38:43] | wagnerrp: | the one some guy came into #mythtv blabbering about |
| [16:38:45] | GreyFoxx: | or do you mean the ion ? |
| [16:38:49] | wagnerrp: | its some Shuttle barebones |
| [16:39:10] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: Ok, I didn't look at his URL :) I was referring to atom boards in general :) |
| [16:41:34] | wagnerrp: | it would be fantastic if they gave board makers maybe 8–12 pcie lanes to play with |
| [16:42:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/motherboards/1913_1.html w/ 7 PCIe x16 ports! |
| [16:42:42] | sphery: | (4 usable for SLI/Crossfire--for those Windows users) |
| [16:42:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont mean slots, i just mean lanes |
| [16:43:10] | sphery: | ahh |
| [16:43:12] | wagnerrp: | enough you could make an optional daughter/riser card with a couple pcie slots |
| [16:44:10] | sphery: | wonder if that's iamlindoro's mobo... has the 4x 1Gb LAN. |
| [16:44:21] | sphery: | Only has 6x SATA, though (and 2x SAS) |
| [16:44:27] | wagnerrp: | nah, his is a gigabyte |
| [16:44:27] | sphery: | I thought he said his had 10x SATA |
| [16:44:31] | sphery: | ahhh |
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| [16:45:31] | wagnerrp: | you know, if i got that board, the FIRST thing i would do would be take a pair of wire cutters to the PCIe slot clamps |
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| [16:46:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, GA-EP45-DQ6 |
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| [16:49:49] | kormoc: | I only see 6 sata ports on the picture of that board |
| [16:50:16] | wagnerrp: | of... which board? |
| [16:50:28] | wagnerrp: | the asus sphery posted only has 6 |
| [16:50:36] | kormoc: | http://tinyurl.com/mwqfmp |
| [16:50:44] | kormoc: | the GA-EP45-DQ6 |
| [16:50:48] | wagnerrp: | i see 10 |
| [16:50:58] | wagnerrp: | 6 vertical, 4 horizontal off the edge |
| [16:51:57] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [16:52:02] | wagnerrp: | if you zoom in, theyre even labeled SATA0–5 and GS0–3 |
| [16:52:05] | kormoc: | so where's the esata? |
| [16:52:08] | wagnerrp: | two different controllers i suppose |
| [16:52:32] | SHADOW_V: | planet earth hd dvd .99 |
| [16:52:35] | SHADOW_V: | http://store.discovery.com/detail.php?p=85669 . . . =AFF-7975437 |
| [16:52:59] | kormoc: | sold out |
| [16:53:00] | wagnerrp: | check the last image, theres a pair of IO brackets that have two ports each |
| [16:53:14] | kormoc: | ahh, fair nuff |
| [16:53:17] | wagnerrp: | no onboard esata |
| [16:53:20] | kormoc: | that's really tight |
| [16:53:37] | kormoc: | I'm not sure I like the horizontal sata connectors |
| [16:53:38] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [16:54:16] | wagnerrp: | they probably assume no one is going to want all 10 |
| [16:54:31] | wagnerrp: | so they gave you the option, depending on how you wanted to wire your system |
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| [16:55:34] | SHADOW_V: | 20 inch lcd monitor 95 dollars after mir 115 before |
| [16:55:37] | SHADOW_V: | http://store.discovery.com/detail.php?p=85669 . . . =AFF-7975437 |
| [16:55:53] | ** kormoc thinks SHADOW_V is shilling ** | |
| [16:56:00] | SHADOW_V: | shilling? |
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| [16:56:09] | ** wagnerrp thinks SHADOW_V should check his links ** | |
| [16:56:18] | SHADOW_V: | whoopsie |
| [16:56:28] | kormoc: | SHADOW_V, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill |
| [16:56:49] | SHADOW_V: | no its just dealigg.com |
| [16:56:51] | wagnerrp: | next thing, youll tell us you dont work for the discovery channel |
| [16:57:13] | SHADOW_V: | i am actually looking for employment |
| [16:57:16] | SHADOW_V: | so no |
| [16:57:29] | SHADOW_V: | http://dealigg.com/story-Samsung-2033SW-20-in . . . CD-Monitor-7 |
| [16:57:32] | wagnerrp: | while a $95 is a nice deal, the $115MIR is absolutely not |
| [16:57:43] | wagnerrp: | probably means its multiple MIRs that may or may not clash as well |
| [16:57:45] | SHADOW_V: | yeah |
| [16:57:53] | SHADOW_V: | its one mir but still |
| [16:57:57] | SHADOW_V: | \they can be a pain |
| [16:58:08] | meshe: | it's a $20 MIR |
| [16:58:12] | kormoc: | it's one $20 MIR, it's $115 normal |
| [16:58:26] | wagnerrp: | oh, misread |
| [16:59:08] | wagnerrp: | besides, id be more interested in the $200 eIPS Dell 22" if i were currently in the market |
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| [16:59:49] | meshe: | i've already got 2 20" widescreen samsungs on my desk |
| [17:00:11] | wagnerrp: | 1440 or 1680? |
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| [17:00:18] | meshe: | very nice deal though, half of what i paid for mine |
| [17:00:21] | kormoc: | I currently have 2 30" widescreen samsungs on my work desk... it's... pure gluttony |
| [17:00:26] | SHADOW_V: | i have a 26inch toc samsung |
| [17:00:37] | SHADOW_V: | kormoc, wheres the evil grin |
| [17:00:40] | kormoc: | I don't know what to do with all the space |
| [17:00:42] | meshe: | wagnerrp: 1440's |
| [17:00:52] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you should see the cluster where i work |
| [17:00:59] | meshe: | kormoc: nice, those 20's are on my desk at home |
| [17:01:29] | meshe: | my work setup is a dell laptop with a docking station and a 17" lcd :S |
| [17:01:30] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, as impressive as the 4x3 grid of them for monitoring? |
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| [17:01:44] | wagnerrp: | its completely ghetto looking, except for the 10 30"s spread between 6 machines |
| [17:01:48] | kormoc: | (this startup had too much money to start methinks) |
| [17:01:56] | kormoc: | ha, nice |
| [17:02:15] | kormoc: | three machines, 4 monitors each |
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| [17:04:05] | wagnerrp: | some mashed up metal wireframe arch stolen from campus, a front door that still has the heavy metal garage door on a chain, about $50 worth of 1/4" carpet over a single 20'x14' office |
| [17:04:25] | mgisbers is now known as mgisbers_away | |
| [17:04:33] | meshe: | nice |
| [17:06:35] | wagnerrp: | we were considering making some curtains out of the spare IDE cables, weve only got a couple thousand of those, and no IDE drives |
| [17:07:08] | wagnerrp: | we have more SATA cables, but they just dont go as far |
| [17:07:44] | meshe: | you could also use power cords |
| [17:08:06] | wagnerrp: | we only have a couple dozen of spare ones of those |
| [17:08:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Ooh, that MB is nice! ;-) But I'd have to sacrifice my 'analog' PVR tuners... unless I built a slave backend for their (temporary) use until I get a few HD-PVRs... ;-) |
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| [17:09:01] | wagnerrp: | you need those two PCI slots for something else? |
| [17:09:03] | sphery: | or go HVR-1600 |
| [17:09:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: And I'd use all 10 ports – I'm using the 6 on my MB now, plus 2 on a PCIe card, and have two 5-way hotswap cages, so 10 would be perfect for me. ;-) |
| [17:09:18] | sphery: | (or whatever the PCIe one is) |
| [17:09:32] | wagnerrp: | 1800 doesnt have analog support yet |
| [17:09:42] | sphery: | ohhh... so that wouldn't work |
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| [17:09:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | 1800? – But ^^ yeah, ;-) (I'm too slow) |
| [17:09:58] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: so, the Gigabyte that wagnerrp mentioned iamlindoro is using? |
| [17:10:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery Yeah, I was really seriously considering that one... ;-) |
| [17:10:22] | wagnerrp: | the drivers are there, and they work in linux |
| [17:10:31] | wagnerrp: | but theres some bug that prevents them from playing nice with mythtv |
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| [17:11:07] | sphery: | sure makes me glad that I've given up analog capture |
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| [17:11:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah, I wish I could do the same, but don't have the $$$ for 3x HD-PVRs, and no clear-QAM or Firewire here... :-( |
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| [17:12:33] | sphery: | giving up cable and going OTA will save you a lot of money--monthly, even :) |
| [17:13:06] | sphery: | plus you can get cheap HVR-1250's or A180's or whatever |
| [17:13:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah, I'm running Dish Network now – get ~25 channels (total, including sub-channels) with ATSC now, but still have a need (er.. WANT) for some of the 'cable' channels... Discovery, SciFi, TLC, etc... ;-) |
| [17:13:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Although, a working 'hulu' setup takes care of most of that too... |
| [17:14:35] | sphery: | my SciFi needs are fulfilled by amazon (they just shipped my Stargate Atlantis season 5 DVD's today!) |
| [17:15:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | I actually get one channel *worse* now that the digital transition has occurred.. signal strength shows like 50%, but it 'pauses' every few seconds – I think it's actually overdriving my HDHR, and it's reporting the strength wrong... |
| [17:16:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Before the transition it was 70–80%... I'm ~26 miles from the towers with a 75mi UHF Yagi... |
| [17:17:24] | ** J-e-f-f-A wishes he was still in touch with the guy who had access to the UHF Spectrum analyzer... ** | |
| [17:18:23] | sphery: | might be doing antenna work/shuffling |
| [17:19:00] | sphery: | I had one that went to a very poor signal for a while, but now is better |
| [17:19:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... I just remembered that I have an old-school RF Attenuator hanging around, I'll have to put that inline with the HDHR and see if FOX 25 comes in better with it attenuated... |
| [17:19:19] | sphery: | they reduced power for a while when shuffling antennas |
| [17:20:13] | wagnerrp: | so now i can transcode, clip commercials, export to mythvideo complete with metadata, and clip the recordings |
| [17:20:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Funny thing is that Channel 7 moved from UHF down to VHF 7 on the transition, and I get 54% signal strength without dropouts on my UHF antenna... ;-) |
| [17:20:44] | sphery: | not bad |
| [17:20:51] | wagnerrp: | man, with HTML5 and firefox3.5 now with built in video support, if only there were a way to edit the commercial clipping within mythweb |
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| [17:21:02] | wagnerrp: | i bet if mythweb were written in python, we'd have it already |
| [17:21:08] | sphery: | I know a lot of people who bought "HDTV" antennas are upset after one of our channels moved to VHF |
| [17:21:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you should tell kormoc to rewrite MythWeb in Python |
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| [17:21:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah, I yelled at more than one RatShack employee trying to sell me a special "HDTV" antenna.. |
| [17:21:42] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [17:22:01] | sphery: | yeah, HDTV antenna = UHF only antenna |
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| [17:22:17] | ** kormoc lights the channel on fire and locks everyone in ** | |
| [17:22:27] | sphery: | oh, the humanity! |
| [17:22:30] | ** CyberKnet stares at the pretties ** | |
| [17:22:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: More-or-less — but even the 'old-school' VHF/UHF antennas had 'HDTV Capable" stickers on them... ;-) |
| [17:22:34] | wagnerrp: | it burns! |
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| [17:22:40] | ** wagnerrp rides off to safety on a snake ** | |
| [17:22:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [17:22:53] | CyberKnet: | really. Riding on a snake? |
| [17:22:58] | wagnerrp: | 'import flee' |
| [17:23:02] | sphery: | I'm just glad that I'll be warm for the rest of my life... |
| [17:23:35] | sphery: | too many things on my myth TODO list to decide what to do... |
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| [17:24:03] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, to the lake? |
| [17:24:03] | wagnerrp: | did dailymotion post the code for their html5 video demo? |
| [17:24:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | If just 25 is too hot, I'll have to build/obtain a notch filter for channel 31 to attenuate it., but not the rest of the channels... ;-) Either that or switch to FiOS TV and pull them off the cable... |
| [17:24:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | (31 is the physical channel, 25 is the 'virtual' channel, old analog channel) |
| [17:25:13] | ** CyberKnet wishes cable companies would quit encrypting digital channels ** | |
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| [17:26:07] | sphery: | Previously Recorded in MythWeb, backend copy/move of files in storage groups with frontend UI, backend identification of orphaned files/DB records with frontend/MythXML UI, new job constraints with auto DB maintenance, or embedded MySQL |
| [17:26:23] | ** J-e-f-f-A agrees, but doubt it will happen... :-( (they do have to provide locals in-the-clear – but I'm sure you know that already) ** | |
| [17:26:24] | sphery: | oh, and moving preview pixmaps to their own SG |
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| [17:26:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: ^^ |
| [17:27:41] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: they HAVE TO encrypt digital channels |
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| [17:27:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | eh? |
| [17:27:53] | wagnerrp: | if you dont encrypt them, they are accessible to everyone |
| [17:28:04] | wagnerrp: | whether or not everyone has purchased access to them |
| [17:28:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Well, they don't *have* to... but they choose to.. |
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| [17:28:47] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, everyone on their network would have access to all channels, the only thing they wouldnt have is control over VOD or switched video |
| [17:29:02] | CyberKnet: | Dang it ... I just want to be able to get to everything I paid for. |
| [17:29:13] | CyberKnet: | without having to use something like an HDHR |
| [17:29:31] | GreyFoxx: | CyberKnet: basically tou want in the clear firewire access to all your subbed channels, or a dvb card with a cam of some sort |
| [17:29:33] | wagnerrp: | huh? a HDHR is just a QAM tuner |
| [17:29:42] | CyberKnet: | HDPVR |
| [17:29:45] | CyberKnet: | my mistake., |
| [17:30:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, clear firewire access, or functional CAM modules would be agreeable |
| [17:30:12] | CyberKnet: | functional CAM would be better imho |
| [17:30:35] | GreyFoxx: | I have clear firewire, but I will likely be moving to hdpvr's on a different service. I'd rather dvb cards with cams though |
| [17:30:41] | wagnerrp: | dont they usually charge you the same rental fee for a cablecard that they do a full cable box? |
| [17:30:47] | stoth: | CyberKnet: Firewire worked for me, I got everything I paid for. |
| [17:30:57] | CyberKnet: | stoth: aaah, the dream. |
| [17:31:37] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Perhaps ... but they run hot, and they take up a lot of space because of features that I wouldn't use if it was just feeding myth |
| [17:31:44] | stoth: | I never could get myth (or more likely) the firewire libs to deal with two stb's correctly, so I was stuck with a single STB and two qam cards (4 encoders for the networks). A sweet solution though. |
| [17:31:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | !trout stoth "just because you get clear firewire" |
| [17:31:56] | ** MythLogBot slaps stoth with a "just because you get clear firewire" trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... ** | |
| [17:32:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [17:32:02] | CyberKnet: | stoth: Not on Cox Cable, I take it? |
| [17:32:15] | stoth: | cablevision on long island |
| [17:32:20] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: what are you talking about? |
| [17:32:25] | stoth: | twc also works well for most stuff. |
| [17:32:32] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: STBs |
| [17:33:08] | stoth: | I's possible to do stuff via sat of you bend the law a little, as a dicussion it's usually frowned upon. |
| [17:33:08] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Or at least, the STB that my cable co provided me. It runs very hot, and is very large. |
| [17:33:12] | wagnerrp: | im saying a STB rental is usually $7–8/mo, dont companies usually change the same for a cablecard (CAM module) |
| [17:33:25] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: I agreed that yes they probably do |
| [17:33:25] | stoth: | cablecard is $2 a month from cablevision |
| [17:33:44] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: I then offered why I thought a CAM module would be better for me. |
| [17:34:03] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: If I didn't communicate that clearly, please accept my apologies. |
| [17:34:06] | wagnerrp: | you never said anything yes or no |
| [17:34:19] | wagnerrp: | or was that the 'perhaps' |
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| [17:34:26] | CyberKnet: | that was the perhaps |
| [17:34:48] | CyberKnet: | not strictly an agreement, I suppose, sorry. |
| [17:35:06] | CyberKnet: | I do think that working CAM modules would be better for me. |
| [17:35:33] | wagnerrp: | i was more asking, i have never used a cablecard, nor do i know anyone who has |
| [17:35:46] | CyberKnet: | I see. |
| [17:36:08] | CyberKnet: | I pay $5 a month for a STB, my friend has an S3 HD Tivo, and pays the same. |
| [17:36:17] | CyberKnet: | for the CAM module. |
| [17:36:27] | wagnerrp: | ah, ok |
| [17:37:04] | juski: | problem being that you can't just slot the CAM into a PC |
| [17:37:04] | CyberKnet: | I really wouldn't mind paying for the CAM, either. If I could just get to the content, and not have to have the content locked down onto the machine that recorded it. |
| [17:37:25] | stoth: | CyberKnet: In terms of the US, dream on. |
| [17:37:32] | CyberKnet: | Right. And Ceton Corp has that CAM card, but there will never be drivers for linux for it because of afore-mentioned lack of DRM |
| [17:37:35] | wagnerrp: | juski: well you can a windows PC |
| [17:37:42] | juski: | wagnerrp: ahh windows :) |
| [17:37:45] | stoth: | Ceton Corp has that CAM card, but there will never be d? |
| [17:37:53] | stoth: | got an url? |
| [17:38:03] | juski: | key exchange, or no decoding :D |
| [17:38:15] | stoth: | so take the key from a windows machine. |
| [17:38:19] | wagnerrp: | http://www.cetoncopy.com/ProductsVista.php |
| [17:38:24] | ** stoth reads ** | |
| [17:38:25] | juski: | got yer by the short & curlies! |
| [17:38:30] | ** J-e-f-f-A ponders the idea of controlling a Cam-capable Winblows maching be a 'slave tuner' to a Myth backend... ;-) ** | |
| [17:38:38] | stoth: | urls doesn't work for me. |
| [17:38:47] | CyberKnet: | stoth: Apparently it's still "Coming Soon" after a year of saying coming soon |
| [17:38:49] | CyberKnet: | http://www.cetoncorp.com/ProductsWMC.php |
| [17:38:57] | wagnerrp: | http://www.cetoncorp.com/ProductsVista.php |
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| [17:39:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, sorry... typing it out manually |
| [17:39:10] | stoth: | np |
| [17:39:27] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: the problem is that there is no point on windows where the media is decrypted |
| [17:39:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah... Yeah, forgot about that... :-( |
| [17:39:47] | wagnerrp: | it just gets handed off from one security layer to another within the windows DRM framework |
| [17:39:48] | CyberKnet: | stoth ... as in steven toth? |
| [17:39:54] | wagnerrp: | even the stored file is still encrypted |
| [17:40:09] | wagnerrp: | you would have to hack through one of those |
| [17:40:11] | juski: | muhahaha |
| [17:40:12] | stoth: | Nothing to stop you taking your valid windows key from the ATI solution and building a linux driver around that. You still end up with DRM'd content, but you have the key to decrypt it also. |
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| [17:40:40] | juski: | and the little matter that circumventing DRM measures is contrary to the DMCA |
| [17:40:46] | wagnerrp: | stoth: thanks to the DMCA, thats illegal |
| [17:40:54] | juski: | and talking about it in a logged channel is pretty silly :) |
| [17:40:55] | stoth: | It's not illegal to do it yourself, only to tell people HOW to do it. |
| [17:40:56] | wagnerrp: | the only way it would be legal is if youre out of the country |
| [17:41:18] | wagnerrp: | in which case such a thing would be not-of-your-concern |
| [17:41:24] | stoth: | you're not stealing content and your not telling people how to remove security, it's not illegal when done personally. |
| [17:41:45] | juski: | has that actually been proven yet – as in tested in court? |
| [17:41:50] | CyberKnet: | If only we could all write drivers... |
| [17:41:54] | juski: | who wants to be the first? |
| [17:41:56] | stoth: | I've never seen the DMCA held up in court. |
| [17:42:01] | wagnerrp: | theres never been a court case where theyve gone after the individual user |
| [17:42:06] | stoth: | correct. |
| [17:42:09] | juski: | always a first time :D |
| [17:42:17] | stoth: | because, I think the courts would not favor the industry. |
| [17:42:25] | juski: | lol |
| [17:42:30] | wagnerrp: | if you ever publish your code to break things, or drivers capable of accessing encrypted content from that card, you would be taken to court |
| [17:42:30] | meshe: | haha |
| [17:42:52] | stoth: | wagnerrp: you're probably correct in this case. |
| [17:42:55] | juski: | all this for a few TV shows. I'd give up already |
| [17:43:00] | wagnerrp: | you cant 'explain' how to do it, and expect anyone to actually do it |
| [17:43:17] | wagnerrp: | people dont want to write their own code based off a pseudocode example anymore |
| [17:43:25] | stoth: | doesn't microsoft tell you how to insert the KEY into their DRM sdk? |
| [17:43:35] | stoth: | I think that's API is fully public/. |
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| [17:44:02] | CyberKnet: | Hmmmm |
| [17:44:39] | CyberKnet: | It would be different if Ceton or Cable Labs were to release an SDK along the lines of what you are saying, I think... |
| [17:44:40] | stoth: | beside, let me ask this another way..... |
| [17:45:04] | stoth: | That's an open spec, from cablelabs. |
| [17:45:33] | stoth: | all of the necessary pieces are in the public, with the exception of getting access to a private key – specially allocated to you – from your windows PC. |
| [17:45:52] | stoth: | oh wait, and the fear that people have about discussion certain topics. |
| [17:46:10] | stoth: | pffft, not exactly freedom of speach now is it – any more. |
| [17:46:34] | ** gbee assumes juski hasn't had a plane just drop in his garden ** | |
| [17:46:59] | gbee: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8127078.stm |
| [17:47:20] | CyberKnet: | stoth: I would be thrilled to see something like that released and know it was legal. |
| [17:47:31] | CyberKnet: | stoth: I think tons of people would be. |
| [17:47:35] | stoth: | Buy a windows machine. |
| [17:47:47] | CyberKnet: | I have several. |
| [17:47:59] | stoth: | build a windows myth backend to deal with the actualy recording. |
| [17:48:02] | stoth: | find key |
| [17:48:08] | stoth: | inser key via public api into drm slot |
| [17:48:10] | stoth: | turn key |
| [17:48:29] | CyberKnet: | this is presuming there was some framework in linux to insert said key? |
| [17:48:47] | stoth: | caveat, you have to buy a windows machine and cablecard tuner from dell, with the key installed on your machine. |
| [17:48:54] | stoth: | no, decrypt on windows. |
| [17:49:24] | CyberKnet: | I think that content goes into a protected pipeline the moment it is decrypted |
| [17:49:53] | stoth: | You can get in the way of that. |
| [17:50:12] | CyberKnet: | I don't know enough about that to comment intelligently. |
| [17:50:25] | CyberKnet: | (Not that I do about anything else, and that never stops me I suppose) |
| [17:51:07] | CyberKnet: | Well, should Ceton ever release anything for windows that they can sell to the public, perhaps I'll acquire a couple and send one your way |
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| [17:51:46] | stoth: | Or just buy a HDPVR today. |
| [17:51:52] | stoth: | That's a great solution for many people. |
| [17:52:38] | juski: | gbee: awesome |
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| [17:53:53] | SHADOW_V: | hey stoth |
| [17:54:25] | stoth: | hey SHADDOW_V |
| [17:58:07] | juski: | time to play with code :) |
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| [18:03:14] | juski: | duh. yes I was setting the buttonarea to 0,0,0,0 |
| [18:09:35] | ** J-e-f-f-A wishes a "5C enabled" firewire card were to materialize... But that will never happen... ** | |
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| [18:11:07] | CyberKnet: | aah, we all have wishes, don't we? |
| [18:12:23] | SHADOW_V: | do magic |
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| [18:25:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee... this looks like a 'micro' version of a HD-PVR, except no digital audio input... (dummies...) http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/vid . . . r/techspecs/ |
| [18:26:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | (not from Hauppauge... from Blackmagic design) |
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| [18:30:03] | gbee: | no HD either |
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| [18:32:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: Humm... I thought I read it at least did 720p... (/me re-reads...) |
| [18:33:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: Jeeze, you're right... |
| [18:34:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | (oops, I missed that... got it confused with their PCIe card – http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/techspecs/ <- but that seems to be only 720P... Unless I'm reading the specs wrong) |
| [18:34:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | (er UP TO 720p) |
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| [18:35:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | actually "1080HD selectable"... doesn't say if it's "i" or "P"... |
| [18:36:19] | sphery: | input or output? |
| [18:36:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... not reading enough I guess... it's 1080i.... "HD Format Support 1080i50, 1080i59.94, 720p50 and 720p59.94." |
| [18:38:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: both, but I suspect the output may just be a 'through'? — Although the small print says it won't capture HDCP protected streams, so that's no good either... |
| [18:38:44] | gbee: | $199 – how does that compare to the HD-PVR? Note that it's HDMI only, they won't offer component because it bypasses copy protection |
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| [18:39:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, seems the HDPVR is *the* only 'real' option for HD capture in our world... |
| [18:39:43] | CyberKnet: | It does seem that way. |
| [18:39:52] | SHADOW_V: | from time to time doesnt newegg have sales on the hd pvr |
| [18:40:02] | CyberKnet: | For each stream, two more boxes next to the myth box. phooey. |
| [18:40:05] | gbee: | begs the question, if you have the right to capture HD material then you've probably got the original so why would you need to capture it? |
| [18:40:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dell too... iirc |
| [18:40:51] | sphery: | HD-PVR is usually around $230 but sometimes goes for less |
| [18:40:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: Mount them internally like iamlindoro did with his... ;-) (well his one so far... ;-) ) |
| [18:41:02] | SHADOW_V: | its 204 right now at newegg |
| [18:41:07] | CyberKnet: | I haven't seen that. |
| [18:41:16] | SHADOW_V: | sorry 204.99 with free shipping |
| [18:41:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: He wrote an article on the wiki. ;-) |
| [18:43:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mounting_the_HD-PVR_Internally |
| [18:43:12] | CyberKnet: | reading it now |
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| [18:44:01] | sphery: | I'd trust the HD-PVR much better once it's USB 3.0 |
| [18:44:17] | CyberKnet: | They have plans for that? |
| [18:44:27] | SHADOW_V: | but then you need to get a compliant MB |
| [18:44:31] | SHADOW_V: | motherboard |
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| [18:45:03] | sphery: | Probably no plans, but once USB3 is out they'll eventually have to make a USB3 product |
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| [18:45:59] | kormoc: | sphery, cause 480 mbps isn't enough? |
| [18:46:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | usb3 is 5Gb/s... yowzers... ;-) |
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| [18:46:37] | sphery: | no, mainly the cpu polling in usb<3 |
| [18:46:45] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [18:46:52] | kormoc: | Didn't know they changed that |
| [18:46:53] | gbee: | fine if the device itself is that fast ... external drive/flash isn't |
| [18:47:18] | sphery: | I'm hoping that makes the usb-devices-disconnect-after-time much less of (or not) a problem |
| [18:47:38] | kormoc: | "A new major feature is the SuperSpeed bus, which provides a fourth transfer mode at 5 Gbit/s. The raw throughput is 500 MByte/s, and the specification considers it reasonable to achieve 400 MByte/s or more after protocol overhead." |
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| [18:48:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | varoom... |
| [18:48:37] | gbee: | 100 MByte/s for protocol .... |
| [18:48:47] | sphery: | http://www.everythingusb.com/superspeed-usb.html : "Furthermore, the signaling method, while still host-directed, is now asynchronous instead of polling." |
| [18:49:23] | CyberKnet: | what is the usb-disconnect-after-time problem? |
| [18:50:06] | sphery: | IME, when you run a computer for months at a time, USB devices get lost eventually. |
| [18:50:42] | CyberKnet: | requiring an unplug/replug? |
| [18:50:47] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:50:58] | kormoc: | Speaking of which, I need to take down my box and rebuild some drive arrays |
| [18:51:03] | sphery: | which is hard to do when you're traveling for business for a week :) |
| [18:51:06] | CyberKnet: | you build an arduino setup with a servo or two that can detect and fix it? :P |
| [18:51:11] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:51:38] | sphery: | I'll just stick to /PCIe?/ for now |
| [18:52:41] | CyberKnet: | Hmmm... maybe you can convince hauppauge to create a pcie version of the HDPVR. |
| [18:52:52] | CyberKnet: | They're nice folks, I'm sure they'd do that for you. |
| [18:54:39] | sphery: | I thought those things got pretty hot? |
| [18:54:53] | sphery: | pcie would likely be hard to cool |
| [18:55:45] | sphery: | then again, if iamlindoro mounted his inside the case...) |
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| [19:04:20] | juski: | disconnect or just crash & become invisible? ;-) |
| [19:07:47] | sphery: | might be the latter |
| [19:08:02] | sphery: | basically, I just don't trust USB as a long-term stable solution for stuff |
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| [19:26:14] | juski: | it was never really designed to be long term AFAIK |
| [19:26:38] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:27:25] | gbee: | I was under the impression that the HD-PVR was made an external device precisely because of the heat issues, |
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| [19:28:25] | sphery: | USB 3.0 sounds really cool, though. It's a lot more like PCIe than like older USB. |
| [19:29:09] | sphery: | gbee: we'll have to ask iamlindoro how the heat treated his (I know he had to send it in because he got an early one that had the power issues) |
| [19:29:36] | sphery: | of course, iamlindoro hasn't graced us with his presence for quite some time, so... |
| [19:29:48] | juski: | holiday? |
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| [19:30:27] | sphery: | Don't know. He didn't say anything. Maybe he wasn't planning on it, but got a real life. |
| [19:30:43] | gbee: | !seen iamlindro |
| [19:30:43] | MythLogBot: | iamlindro has not been seen here |
| [19:30:51] | gbee: | !seen iamlindoro |
| [19:30:51] | MythLogBot: | iamlindoro is here and has been idle for 2 days 23 hours 8 minutes 23 seconds |
| [19:31:11] | sphery: | wow, almost 3 days without him |
| [19:31:43] | gbee: | doesn't sound good if I were to say that I hadn't noticed ... |
| [19:32:17] | sphery: | gbee: so, I'm changing the restore script so that it has a /much/ better implementation for fixing channel data than before (where it only fixed xmltvid's). You had mentioned some things that you always have to fix after a new channel scan. Do you remember what they were? visibile, useeit. anything else? |
| [19:32:31] | SHADOW_V: | i am sure getting a life will grow tiresome |
| [19:32:43] | sphery: | just means you've been working so hard on Myth you didn't have time to notice |
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| [19:33:48] | GreyFoxx: | I think he mentioned being away for afew days |
| [19:33:55] | GreyFoxx: | going on either vacation or a work thing |
| [19:33:56] | ** sphery is considering actually fixing chanid's in record and recorded* tables so the "this channel" users won't complain (or edit the channel table) when they have to delete all and rescan ** | |
| [19:34:04] | gbee: | visible, useonairguide and xmltvid |
| [19:34:10] | GreyFoxx: | because it was gonna chew up most of the time his HDPVR was away being fixed/replaced |
| [19:34:14] | sphery: | gbee: cool |
| [19:34:25] | SHADOW_V: | http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-06-30/ |
| [19:34:29] | SHADOW_V: | anyone here do that before |
| [19:34:33] | sphery: | oh, yeah... now that you mention it, I remember his saying that |
| [19:34:33] | gbee: | new scan broke that again, it now losses the first two :/ |
| [19:35:13] | sphery: | yeah, it will always lose it for those of us doing a Delete all video sources, so even if the scanner's "minimal updates" is fixed, I'd like it in the restore script |
| [19:35:27] | sphery: | thanks for the reminder, though |
| [19:36:14] | sphery: | wonder if brightness/contrast are worth restoring. |
| [19:36:45] | sphery: | outputfilters? |
| [19:36:50] | sphery: | commmethod definitely is |
| [19:37:30] | sphery: | finetune? since it's probably not necessary in the first place if freq table is properly chosen |
| [19:41:47] | gbee: | sphery: yeah there are probably others, those are just the ones which I actually use, no commflagging or analogue here so it never occured to me |
| [19:42:54] | sphery: | yeah, just wanted to make sure I remembered the ones you specifically mentioned |
| [19:43:13] | gbee: | the commercial free flag, is that commethod? |
| [19:43:15] | sphery: | (for things like the onairguide--which is useful to you, but not to me :) |
| [19:43:21] | sphery: | yeah, commmethod, now |
| [19:43:49] | sphery: | used to be commfree, IIRC |
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| [19:47:45] | kormoc: | sphery, why do I feel that this new frontend is going to end up the same way as the iphone frontend? |
| [19:48:47] | sphery: | gbee: heh, libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp still has help text in a comment describing commfree... Should be updated to explain that commmethod specifies the per-channel commercial flagging method where commmethod = -2 = commercial free and commmethod = -1 = Use Global Setting and the others as described by SkipTypes in libs/libmythtv/channelutil.h |
| [19:49:00] | sphery: | kormoc: the new remote ui thingy? |
| [19:49:04] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [19:49:24] | kormoc: | just write a new mythweb template and call it good is my opinion on the matter... |
| [19:49:38] | sphery: | yeah... I'm getting that feeling, too |
| [19:50:15] | sphery: | especially if we get the multiple-files-per-recording feature and the backend-transcode-to-various-formats feature |
| [19:50:22] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [19:50:39] | sphery: | gbee: is that worth a patch/ticket? |
| [19:52:01] | sphery: | gbee: nvm... it's worth an update, but also needs a bunch of other changes. |
| [19:52:56] | sphery: | I'll look at it some other time (need to create a blank schema to get/update the list of tables and their keys and fix a few other description) |
| [19:53:56] | sphery: | kormoc: that UPnP suggestion would be terrible |
| [19:54:04] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [19:54:13] | sphery: | as UPnP seems--to me, at least--to be neither Universal nor Plug 'n Play |
| [19:55:08] | gbee: | sphery: sorry, was afk |
| [19:56:08] | sphery: | no problems... I figured it out--just another thing on my todo list, now :) |
| [19:56:24] | gbee: | I don't really know what they want from this new frontend and why mythfrontend isn't suitable |
| [19:57:33] | sphery: | well, it's uglee :) |
| [19:58:11] | sphery: | I don't get the idea of putting the osd info on a remote--where you have to look away from the screen |
| [19:58:54] | sphery: | if they're so concerned about covering part of the pic, fix the renderer to allow scaling the video and put the OSD over the other L-shaped part of the screen |
| [20:01:45] | juski: | nah it's all about 'teh kewl' |
| [20:02:04] | juski: | look ma! ook wot I did with my otherwise useless gadget! |
| [20:02:27] | kormoc: | I do like the ability from my ipod to select the video and hit play |
| [20:02:50] | juski: | wouldn't like having to charge my remote every couple of days |
| [20:02:57] | kormoc: | Heh |
| [20:03:02] | kormoc: | I already have to do that, so it works out |
| [20:04:12] | sphery: | no wonder you can't afford a myth box--spending too much on power |
| [20:04:31] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [20:05:24] | kormoc: | speaking of which |
| [20:05:28] | ** kormoc leeches power from work ** | |
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| [20:07:21] | sphery: | now that's the way to do it |
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| [20:07:58] | sphery: | (and, it seems it's getting easier as more and more of my devices start charging from USB power, so I don't have to crawl around looking for an accessible power outlet:) |
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| [20:10:02] | juski: | bugger. this isn't gonna work this way. need to have a rethunk |
| [20:10:05] | kormoc: | just wait for the employeer perks, like having car charging as part of your salary plan |
| [20:10:27] | juski: | heh hopefully in future I won't have to drive to work! |
| [20:11:08] | sphery: | you know you're just faking your Perl-foo when you're trying to figure out how in the world the restore script you wrote is working. |
| [20:11:28] | laga: | sphery: no, that's working as intended. perl is write-only |
| [20:11:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:12:38] | ** juski pulls all of /libs down again ** | |
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| [20:15:46] | sphery: | Woah... I just found 2 things on my Myth TODO list that I've already done. Sweet! |
| [20:16:29] | juski: | heheh |
| [20:17:21] | juski: | damn English summer. no sunshine today but it's been hot & sticky all day. it rained earlier but it's still icky sticky |
| [20:20:05] | gbee: | hasn't rained at all here |
| [20:20:24] | xris: | barely any rain even in seattle this year |
| [20:20:26] | gbee: | don't think it's rained much in the last two weeks |
| [20:20:53] | gbee: | nor the two weeks I was on holiday, garden was pretty dry when I got back |
| [20:22:34] | sphery: | Heh, j-rod's post to the -users list is great: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387163#387163 |
| [20:24:19] | wagnerrp: | you cant damn a whole distro just because one user is off doing crazy crap |
| [20:24:24] | janneg: | we had just a thunderstorm with heavy rain, still raining now |
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| [20:24:34] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I blame the world for Ubuntu! |
| [20:24:45] | laga: | yep, thunderstorm here, too |
| [20:25:39] | wagnerrp: | thats because an ubuntu user's definition of crazy crap is hitting 'ctrl-alt-f1' |
| [20:25:44] | gbee: | janneg: send it my way, need something to break the heat (and water the plants) |
| [20:25:50] | wagnerrp: | OMG, a terminal without a graphical interface! |
| [20:25:59] | SHADOW_V: | what is this |
| [20:26:05] | wagnerrp: | sparta |
| [20:26:18] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, what can you really do with a terminal without a gui |
| [20:26:48] | wagnerrp: | everything i could otherwise do on a terminal with a gui |
| [20:27:01] | SHADOW_V: | obviously |
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| [20:27:12] | SHADOW_V: | xkill though? |
| [20:27:15] | janneg: | gbee: no, we need more rain to clean the sticky air |
| [20:27:22] | wagnerrp: | xkill? |
| [20:27:40] | SHADOW_V: | isnt that it its something like that |
| [20:28:04] | wagnerrp: | are you asking if 'ctrl-alt-f1' is like using xkill? |
| [20:28:09] | SHADOW_V: | no |
| [20:28:26] | SHADOW_V: | i was saying that you couldnt use xkill in a terminal without being in a gui |
| [20:28:29] | SHADOW_V: | isnt that correct |
| [20:28:33] | janneg: | sphery: I wouldn't call j-rod neutral in distro issues ;) |
| [20:28:56] | wagnerrp: | i imagine you could just define 'DISPLAY', and so long as you have file permissions to your magic keys, xkill would work just fine |
| [20:29:16] | kormoc: | SHADOW_V, you certainly can run xkill from a non-x term, just point it to which x server to connect to and do it's magic |
| [20:29:29] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok didnt know that |
| [20:30:26] | wagnerrp: | the only thing you cant easily do in the terminal is change settings in gnome/kde |
| [20:30:57] | wagnerrp: | most of the lesser window managers are just managed through simple text files anyway |
| [20:32:30] | meshe: | doesn't gconf handle that for gnome? |
| [20:32:57] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea |
| [20:33:52] | wagnerrp: | the only thing that makes a terminal painful is when you dont yet have the framebuffer set up |
| [20:34:08] | wagnerrp: | system administration at 80x25 is not fun |
| [20:35:21] | juski: | hmmm. it's Cachaca time |
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| [20:37:12] | xris: | juski: one of my favorite drinks |
| [20:37:50] | juski: | I was looking (casually) for it every time we went shopping, then happened to see some on a shelf while I was on holiday so I bought a bottle |
| [20:38:03] | juski: | now apparently Tesco & waitrose sell it |
| [20:38:12] | juski: | or I can buy it on the interwebs |
| [20:38:39] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, system administration was never ment to be fun! Kids these days.... *grumble*grumble* |
| [20:38:42] | juski: | haven't gone through as many limes in my life :D |
| [20:38:57] | xris: | I often grade bartenders based on how well they can make a caipirinha. or if they even know what one is. |
| [20:39:13] | juski: | xris: the guys at my hotel make a pretty mean one |
| [20:39:28] | xris: | nice |
| [20:39:35] | juski: | though I suspect they didn't use real lime juice for the last one |
| [20:39:43] | xris: | question is whether they do it the right way, or if they do something stupid like using a mix... |
| [20:39:57] | xris: | one place I ordered put lime margarita mix in. |
| [20:40:02] | juski: | bleugh! |
| [20:40:07] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:40:12] | xris: | I should have been less civil |
| [20:40:24] | kormoc: | I made a lime mix for my bbq |
| [20:40:26] | xris: | lime, sugar, muddle, ice, cachaca |
| [20:40:38] | kormoc: | 50/50 lime juice and sugar |
| [20:40:39] | xris: | nothing else, unless you're making a different flavor (blackberry is good) |
| [20:40:49] | juski: | I put more crushed ice on top |
| [20:41:18] | xris: | kormoc: caipirinha isn't supposed to be lime juice, though. just lime |
| [20:41:18] | juski: | first attempt was real bitter but I got the knack :) |
| [20:41:34] | xris: | leblon.com has some good recipes |
| [20:41:41] | juski: | what little juice is in it comes from the muddling ;-) |
| [20:41:56] | ** juski bookmarks leblon.com ** | |
| [20:42:04] | xris: | my fav brand, too |
| [20:42:24] | kormoc: | leblon sounds like lemon to me |
| [20:42:26] | xris: | oops, wrong domain. try http://www.lebloncachaca.com/ |
| [20:42:27] | wagnerrp: | mmmm.... |
| [20:42:31] | juski: | haha |
| [20:42:37] | ** wagnerrp finds the 'threading' option in squirrelmail ** | |
| [20:44:44] | juski: | rolling the lime first helps no end, I discovered |
| [20:46:25] | xris: | juski: yeah, that's a common chef/bartender trick. :) |
| [20:47:18] | juski: | I hope this drink never catches on over here :D |
| [20:48:54] | juski: | saw online you can buy caipirinha ready made in bottles. bet it's minging |
| [20:50:48] | juski: | xris: your brand is £30 a 70cl bottle here. Better be good |
| [20:51:13] | kormoc: | 70 cl? not 75 cl? |
| [20:51:34] | juski: | 70cl is euro size |
| [20:51:38] | kormoc: | huh |
| [20:51:42] | kormoc: | that's silly imho |
| [20:51:56] | xris: | juski: that's the same as it is here.. except that it's dollars instead of pounds |
| [20:51:58] | kormoc: | well, the fact that there's two sizes that close is silly, not the size itself |
| [20:51:58] | xris: | that's pricy |
| [20:52:07] | juski: | same size as average wine bottles |
| [20:52:09] | kormoc: | xris, and you get 1/14th more! |
| [20:52:32] | kormoc: | juski, in the US a average wine bottle is 75cl as well |
| [20:52:34] | juski: | the bottle I paid 9.98 Euro for isn't bad |
| [20:52:49] | xris: | the (54) stuff that's usually at bars is $20/75cl... leblon is worth $10/bottle more, but not double. heh |
| [20:53:06] | kormoc: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_bottle |
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| [20:53:23] | xris: | er, (51) |
| [20:54:04] | kormoc: | Mmmm... fifths and halves |
| [20:54:40] | juski: | 70cl is the most common wine bottle capacity here. had to check, was doubting myself for a minute there |
| [20:54:54] | kormoc: | xris, so I need to take pictures of the burnt tiki torches, the one was actually close to letting a flood of burning pain |
| [20:55:12] | xris: | ouch |
| [20:55:22] | xris: | you guys must have kept going after I left. heh |
| [20:55:29] | kormoc: | nah |
| [20:55:47] | kormoc: | just thin plastic + bamboo fire == not happy times |
| [20:56:31] | meshe: | ||= good youtube video |
| [20:56:58] | kormoc: | True enough |
| [20:57:22] | juski: | speaking of which, we found a good vid today following up on popping popcorn with mobile phones |
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| [20:59:03] | juski: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cboqOeuBd_8&NR=1 |
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| [21:09:19] | cesman: | juski: I'm taking a way a point for posting that link... |
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| [21:09:47] | SHADOW_V: | just one point |
| [21:10:07] | cesman: | SHADOW_V: he didn't have much to start with ;) |
| [21:10:32] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok |
| [21:10:42] | notlistening: | Hi, considering buying a homerun HD unit for use with a myth box on Ubuntu how is the integration of the homerun units going now? |
| [21:10:49] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [21:11:50] | xris: | notlistening: there's never been an issue with them |
| [21:12:04] | meshe: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mythtv+wiki+hdhr |
| [21:12:25] | notlistening: | Oh, just read on the website the mythTV wiku that the intergration was comming soon ;) |
| [21:12:32] | meshe: | sorry, but love that alias :) |
| [21:12:50] | [mbm]: | hdhomerun integration has existed for a few years now |
| [21:13:16] | notlistening: | meshe, thanks it is a very old historic thing |
| [21:13:36] | [mbm]: | should point out there's an #hdhomerun channel run by silicondust |
| [21:13:58] | meshe: | This page was last modified on 18 May 2009, at 15:08. |
| [21:14:00] | [mbm]: | tends to be the best place to ask questions |
| [21:14:16] | notlistening: | and can I be cheeky and ask if they are a good solution? |
| [21:14:29] | notlistening: | thanks mbm |
| [21:14:31] | juski: | cesman: so I'm on -199999 now :( |
| [21:14:38] | kormoc: | depends on what the problem is |
| [21:14:47] | meshe: | notlistening: yes, if you have clear qam or good ATSC OTA |
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| [21:15:15] | kormoc: | He's a co.uk guy, so he's likely not ATSC |
| [21:15:34] | meshe: | ahh, good point |
| [21:15:39] | juski: | dvb-t HDHR? wooo expensive |
| [21:16:10] | notlistening: | ;) |
| [21:16:14] | juski: | pretty pointless unless you *really* need a network connected tuner |
| [21:16:42] | juski: | a fugly one at that ;) |
| [21:17:24] | notlistening: | okay any suggestions on something better |
| [21:17:44] | ** [mbm] actually likes the hdhomerun ** | |
| [21:17:46] | juski: | pci dvb-t tuner cards |
| [21:17:55] | juski: | if you have enough free pci slots |
| [21:17:56] | sphery: | yay! janne fixed the blue-faces preview /and/ made Myth not compile for people who disable mmx on x86 |
| [21:18:16] | [mbm]: | looks a bit better in the american color scheme |
| [21:18:27] | meshe: | sphery: but, but, that means i won't be able to compile it anymore on my 486 :S |
| [21:18:44] | [mbm]: | (although tends to be hidden in the wiring closet anyway) |
| [21:18:49] | notlistening: | i can have two single untis or a dual I have 10 usb ports to space but only 1 pci-e low profile...hit me with it |
| [21:19:08] | sphery: | that should result in a slew of people writing to the list saying, "Myth won't compile. It says I'm disabling mmx, but I'm not. I'm just using configure args that I don't understand and shouldn't be using like arch/tune/cpu/..." |
| [21:19:13] | juski: | HDHR it is, then |
| [21:19:28] | sphery: | meshe: we may have to take up a collection to buy clever some newer hardware :) |
| [21:19:55] | meshe: | sphery: yeah, true, i did get rid of my 486 over 10 years ago |
| [21:19:58] | juski: | notlistening: if you can live with USB being crap, go with USB tuners |
| [21:20:10] | juski: | but sadly USB is a bit crap |
| [21:20:17] | ** [mbm] has heard of people using laptops and just streaming from the hdhomerun over wireless ** | |
| [21:20:49] | juski: | laptops? streaming? over wireless? :-O |
| [21:20:50] | meshe: | sphery: maybe iamlindoro will donate for clever's cause? |
| [21:20:53] | juski: | witchcraft! |
| [21:20:55] | sphery: | meshe: lightning got rid of mine for me... Was good and bad. It was a nice low-power firewall/gateway/router, but not worth the effort building a distro for it. |
| [21:21:13] | kormoc: | meshe, he'd happily donate some poison methinks |
| [21:21:34] | [mbm]: | juski: yeah, weird huh? no usb cables, no pci cards .. just a cheap netbook capable of playing video |
| [21:21:49] | juski: | [mbm]: no mythtv :( |
| [21:21:55] | [mbm]: | why not? |
| [21:21:59] | meshe: | kormoc: i knew he was a generous person |
| [21:22:15] | notlistening: | Last question :) if the UK starts to broadcast HD terrestrial contents will the homerun work with that in the future? |
| [21:22:18] | juski: | [mbm]: you didn't mention mythtv in your list :P |
| [21:22:27] | juski: | notlistening: not unless HDHR can do DVB-T2, which it can't |
| [21:22:33] | [mbm]: | juski: ok, no mythtv required either |
| [21:22:36] | juski: | there are currently NO dvb-t2 tuners on the market |
| [21:23:10] | meshe: | i'm sure that won't be very long for haupauge anyway |
| [21:23:18] | juski: | hell there's not even a dvb-t2 chipset yet |
| [21:24:06] | juski: | so you won't be watching the world cup in HD from freeview in mythtv :D |
| [21:24:12] | sphery: | help me remember... DVB-T2 is the metal and skin cyborg that's good and DVB-T is the metal and skin cyborg that's bad, right? |
| [21:24:16] | notlistening: | Slighty miss leading name then ;) |
| [21:24:35] | kormoc: | what's misleading? |
| [21:24:36] | juski: | notlistening: not really, certainly not as misleading as 'HD' TVs on sale :D |
| [21:24:36] | sphery: | wonder when they'll get the nanobot cyborg DVB-T3 |
| [21:24:58] | [mbm]: | sphery: yeah, t2 was the one made out of bits of scrap brought together to make this shiney new thing |
| [21:25:05] | notlistening: | freeSat are doing HD now but yours saying no card support that yet? |
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| [21:25:21] | juski: | notlistening: I didn't say freesat wasn't supported |
| [21:25:35] | notlistening: | ah just the t2 ;) |
| [21:26:41] | [mbm]: | nobody broadcasting t2 yet afaik |
| [21:26:51] | juski: | nope |
| [21:26:57] | juski: | nobody making boxes yet either |
| [21:27:09] | [mbm]: | well, box is useless without the broadcast |
| [21:27:11] | juski: | not til December this year at the earliest |
| [21:27:16] | notlistening: | Thanks for the adivse all, think i will stick with a t1 and cheap as chips usb for now |
| [21:27:26] | [mbm]: | notlistening: go with the hdhr |
| [21:27:38] | notlistening: | they ran a test late last year in London of t2 |
| [21:27:56] | juski: | [mbm]: you can buy about 20 USB DVB-T tuners for the price of a DVB-T HDHR |
| [21:28:02] | gbee: | still waiting for freesat to develop some proper HD muscle |
| [21:28:20] | [mbm]: | juski: usb tuners suck |
| [21:28:53] | gbee: | they ain't that bad |
| [21:29:08] | juski: | if you're around to replug em when/if they need it.. |
| [21:29:12] | meshe: | haha |
| [21:29:14] | ** [mbm] has yet to see one with a decent tuner ** | |
| [21:29:16] | meshe: | sorry, you guys are amusing |
| [21:29:41] | notlistening: | maybe a hd homerun for now and then invest in a T2 card if and when they arrive |
| [21:29:56] | gbee: | meshe: glad we could entertain |
| [21:30:10] | juski: | HDHR is what, like £180 ? |
| [21:30:14] | notlistening: | what's money after all huh? |
| [21:30:28] | juski: | depends |
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| [21:30:39] | notlistening: | £130 if you know where to look |
| [21:30:41] | meshe: | i'm buying a HDHR for the comcast switchover for my place in the US |
| [21:31:13] | meshe: | less wires running to the mythbox |
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| [21:31:53] | [mbm]: | yep, avoids the whole rf cabling mess around the server |
| [21:32:18] | juski: | 2 tuners ain't enough anyway :D |
| [21:32:22] | meshe: | it'll save me one split on the coax |
| [21:32:36] | meshe: | it is for our vacation property |
| [21:32:51] | meshe: | we only run 2 pvr-150's there now |
| [21:33:12] | meshe: | er, 350/150 |
| [21:33:15] | ** [mbm] likes the fact they openly support mythtv ** | |
| [21:33:53] | juski: | AFAIK only one other tuner manufacturer are as on the ball |
| [21:33:59] | juski: | that'd be Hauppauge |
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| [21:35:09] | [mbm]: | usually you just get the 'visit our website for the linux driver' and they hang up on you |
| [21:35:34] | [mbm]: | and that's assuming the company even has an official linux driver |
| [21:36:04] | SHADOW_V: | meshe, does multi rec work on the hdhr now |
| [21:36:22] | [mbm]: | SHADOW_V: yeah, there's a patch to add it but it hasn't been merged yet |
| [21:36:28] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok |
| [21:36:39] | [mbm]: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6138 |
| [21:36:56] | [mbm]: | supposed to be merged any day now |
| [21:37:01] | SHADOW_V: | because with the recent switching over to clearqam on comcast i actually use multirec on my qam tuners now |
| [21:37:43] | [mbm]: | yep; all of the comcast markets are switching over to digital |
| [21:38:03] | meshe: | yeah, switchover is happening in sept in our area |
| [21:38:04] | SHADOW_V: | yep |
| [21:38:16] | SHADOW_V: | it seems like mine is done |
| [21:38:22] | SHADOW_V: | well |
| [21:38:28] | SHADOW_V: | the putting channels on qam part |
| [21:38:33] | [mbm]: | meshe: odd; thought they planned it so all markets switched on june 12th with the ota transition |
| [21:38:53] | SHADOW_V: | analog still works here |
| [21:38:58] | [mbm]: | (intentionally causing confusion) |
| [21:39:21] | [mbm]: | here analog only works for select channels below 30 or so |
| [21:39:26] | meshe: | this is our vacation property, up a mountain (yes with broadband and cablevision) we probably aren't all that important to them |
| [21:39:30] | [mbm]: | everything else is digital |
| [21:39:46] | SHADOW_V: | meshe, cablevision? |
| [21:39:53] | meshe: | cable tv |
| [21:40:06] | meshe: | comcast tv shows through coax :) |
| [21:40:08] | SHADOW_V: | meshe, i would try firewire on the stb |
| [21:40:29] | meshe: | we are just going to get the free stb's |
| [21:40:31] | ** [mbm] needs to figure out what to do with a now ueless analog tivo ** | |
| [21:40:33] | SHADOW_V: | i have heard good things with cablevision and firewire |
| [21:40:52] | meshe: | sorry, i forgot that cablevision is a brand name in the US |
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| [21:41:00] | meshe: | it's comcast |
| [21:41:07] | SHADOW_V: | ah |
| [21:41:13] | SHADOW_V: | meshe, where do you live normally then |
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| [21:41:21] | meshe: | Vancouver Canada |
| [21:41:27] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok |
| [21:41:35] | SHADOW_V: | yeah cablevision is a brand name here |
| [21:41:53] | meshe: | yeah, i just heard they won a court case that rocks for the consumer |
| [21:42:07] | SHADOW_V: | did not know that |
| [21:42:11] | SHADOW_V: | what does it give |
| [21:42:26] | meshe: | and the supreme court denied the **AA apeal |
| [21:43:09] | meshe: | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/29/224021 . . . m?art_pos=1\ |
| [21:43:13] | meshe: | er |
| [21:43:14] | meshe: | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/29/224021 . . . em?art_pos=1 |
| [21:44:09] | meshe: | basically they will store the shows for you and allow you to access them when you want |
| [21:44:27] | SHADOW_V: | hmm |
| [21:44:33] | SHADOW_V: | i like to do things on my own |
| [21:45:32] | meshe: | me too, but it's a good win nonetheless |
| [21:45:37] | honk: | meshe: yeah – and they'll charge you for that.. again :] |
| [21:45:58] | [mbm]: | had one of those comcast pvr boxes, found out it didn't work when the cable went out |
| [21:46:07] | meshe: | i just love the fact that the **AAs lost that one |
| [21:46:10] | [mbm]: | even though the concent was stored locally |
| [21:46:14] | meshe: | ouch |
| [21:46:45] | SHADOW_V: | [mbm], what does it need authorization to give you the content you recorded |
| [21:47:07] | meshe: | probably for each show :S |
| [21:47:10] | kormoc: | because you might have taken it to a buddy's home and they don't have the rights to watch it |
| [21:47:14] | [mbm]: | SHADOW_V: not sure what the deal was, I couldn't get to the menu to watch recorded content |
| [21:47:42] | [mbm]: | think it's more that the ui doesn't work without cable system |
| [21:47:54] | SHADOW_V: | ah even better |
| [21:47:56] | kormoc: | if you take it to another house that has comcast, it still won't work |
| [21:47:57] | meshe: | i've written an authentication system like that before, but I cached the auth for 14 days and renewed the auth daily |
| [21:48:20] | kormoc: | it requires the same line for the content to be there, or at least it used to |
| [21:48:23] | SHADOW_V: | kormoc, really is setup like that but you pay |
| [21:48:33] | kormoc: | what? |
| [21:49:03] | SHADOW_V: | that you cant bring it to watch somewhere else or it wont work if the cable goes out |
| [21:49:16] | [mbm]: | now I just have a cheap comcast box which they gave me for free as part of the digital transition .. absolutely useless and standard def only, only real feature is that it supports ondemand |
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| [21:49:48] | meshe: | if you're on the same drop (not sure what they call it) the box should work |
| [21:49:53] | [mbm]: | output was so horrible I'd just use the box to order something and watch it on the hdhomerun |
| [21:50:54] | kormoc: | When we tried it, we were on the same CO but likely different drops |
| [21:51:01] | meshe: | yeah, we are going to take the free comcast boxes, but hook up an HDHR |
| [21:51:34] | [mbm]: | meshe: can't – output of the box is analog; hdhomerun requires an ATSC/QAM feed |
| [21:51:42] | meshe: | our cable co here Shaw i had a digital box actived in one city and it worked in another |
| [21:51:51] | SHADOW_V: | [mbm], you can order something and watch it on the hdhr |
| [21:52:04] | meshe: | [mbm]: i'm not hooking up the boxes at all except to configure the HDHR |
| [21:52:08] | [mbm]: | SHADOW_V: yep, in some areas where the vod system isn't encrypted |
| [21:52:26] | SHADOW_V: | [mbm], once they switch to encrypted they dont switch back to they |
| [21:52:32] | [mbm]: | the ondemand stuff shows up just as another QAM channel |
| [21:52:35] | SHADOW_V: | i do remember the time when it wasnt encrypted |
| [21:52:41] | SHADOW_V: | yeah i know it used to work like that here |
| [21:52:44] | SHADOW_V: | no longer |
| [21:52:48] | [mbm]: | yeah, it's encrypted here now |
| [21:52:55] | SHADOW_V: | hmm |
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| [21:53:06] | [mbm]: | although they did do a free preview weekend of hbo/max not too long ago |
| [21:53:11] | [mbm]: | and I was able to get that on the hdhr |
| [21:53:30] | kormoc: | SHADOW_V, slicerdicer convinced his cable co to remove the encryption they had |
| [21:53:40] | [mbm]: | kormoc: how? |
| [21:53:43] | kormoc: | !last slicerdicer |
| [21:53:44] | SHADOW_V: | [mbm], yeah i read that but it didnt work out too well |
| [21:54:02] | kormoc: | [mbm], by being very persistent |
| [21:54:02] | [mbm]: | SHADOW_V: what didn't work out? |
| [21:54:22] | [mbm]: | kormoc: so, no logical argument behind it, just annoyance? |
| [21:54:42] | kormoc: | I'm sure he had lots of logical argument behind it, I just don't know it offhand |
| [21:54:53] | kormoc: | you'd have to talk to him directly |
| [21:55:29] | [mbm]: | here they're paranoid that you'd order a premium movie and then record it |
| [21:56:21] | meshe: | i honestly don't think the cable company cares about that, just that you pay for what you get and that the **AA's stay off their backs |
| [21:57:07] | [mbm]: | yeah suppose; if they were really paranoid they wouldn't have unencrypted the 1080i hbo feed for the free preview |
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| [21:58:17] | meshe: | i think the cable co's are only jerks about encryption becuase the content providers require it |
| [21:58:25] | SHADOW_V1: | yeah |
| [21:58:42] | [mbm]: | I thought it was so they could make money off renting set top boxes for every damn tv in the house |
| [21:59:11] | meshe: | heh, you're lucky if you can rent them, we have to buy them here at $450/each |
| [21:59:30] | SHADOW_V1: | meshe, if you keep the service long enough its cheaper |
| [21:59:31] | [mbm]: | one free, forgot what it costs to get another .. |
| [21:59:57] | SHADOW_V1: | i think 6–8 bucks extra each one |
| [21:59:58] | meshe: | at $10/mo that's still almost 4 years |
| [22:00:06] | [mbm]: | paying something like $120/mo for extended basic cable and internet .. |
| [22:00:08] | gbee: | $450 seems pretty steep |
| [22:00:24] | SHADOW_V1: | yeah that is something aorund 200 sounds better |
| [22:00:34] | [mbm]: | soon as I can get fios I'm dropping comcast |
| [22:00:50] | meshe: | if they were $200, i'd have 2 of them right now and i'd be paying for cable |
| [22:00:51] | SHADOW_V1: | [mbm], why you will get less qam and less firewire |
| [22:00:52] | janneg: | sphery: not really fixed since it's disabled in trunk |
| [22:01:02] | [mbm]: | SHADOW_V1: not true |
| [22:01:11] | SHADOW_V1: | oh? |
| [22:01:21] | meshe: | our HD boxes have firewire enabled for all but 5 channels |
| [22:01:28] | [mbm]: | I'd get a internet connection with 20Mbps each direction and about 200 QAM channels |
| [22:01:29] | SHADOW_V1: | i havnt heard good things about qam and firewire over fios |
| [22:01:35] | SHADOW_V1: | yeah |
| [22:01:38] | SHADOW_V1: | encrypted qam |
| [22:01:44] | [mbm]: | SHADOW_V1: unencrypted |
| [22:01:57] | janneg: | meshe: the check can be disabled with --enable-disable-mmx-for-debugging |
| [22:02:02] | SHADOW_V1: | that goes against everything i have read and have heard on here |
| [22:02:18] | meshe: | janneg: i was just kidding earlier |
| [22:02:28] | [mbm]: | SHADOW_V1: I know people with it – http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . ineup_374081 |
| [22:02:29] | meshe: | i don't have anything slower than a 1.6 Ghz celeron |
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| [22:03:27] | gbee: | meshe: are these DVRs or STBs? |
| [22:03:45] | meshe: | gbee: STB's, the dvr is another $200 on top of that |
| [22:04:09] | SHADOW_V1: | [mbm], it seems like over 70% of that is music channels |
| [22:04:17] | meshe: | gbee: http://www.shaw.ca/en-ca/ProductsServices/Tel . . . Hardware.htm |
| [22:04:41] | meshe: | i was wrong: $448 for the STB and $648 for the DVR |
| [22:05:14] | [mbm]: | SHADOW_V1: well, look at the other cable lineup for that area and you see what time warner is offering |
| [22:05:16] | gbee: | that's insane, you can get decent Freesat STBs over here for less than $100 and less for Freeview (well no HD) |
| [22:05:41] | meshe: | yeah, that's just the cost to double your monthly bill too |
| [22:06:21] | meshe: | my basic cable is included in my rent, i'm sticking with that for now until i check out our OTA reception |
| [22:06:58] | SHADOW_V1: | [mbm], honestly it seems like the other service provider offer more channels |
| [22:07:06] | SHADOW_V1: | more useful channels that is |
| [22:07:09] | cpwp: | Is there a patch for MythTV that will let me switch between DVB-S and DVB-T on a multiproto card? Required support is in my kernel. |
| [22:07:16] | SHADOW_V1: | unless having like 50 music channels is useful for you |
| [22:09:07] | kormoc: | SHADOW_V, you seem to keep missing words when you type... |
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| [22:10:05] | SHADOW_V1: | kormoc, i appoligize i think some parts of my brain oozed out in my sleep |
| [22:10:36] | sphery: | janneg: good point--but when we have live previews, it will be fixed :) |
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| [22:15:59] | gbee: | alright, alright, I will fix it soon |
| [22:16:30] | sphery: | heh, not necessarily you |
| [22:16:46] | sphery: | I think mark_k was looking into it, too |
| [22:16:58] | gbee: | yeah well I'm the one who removed the old code, so the responsibility falls to me first |
| [22:17:36] | gbee: | but I was hoping to take advantage of the offers of help in creating the video widget |
| [22:22:15] | sphery: | gotta wonder what library he's using and for what purpose |
| [22:22:49] | sphery: | as most of the libraries I'd see as being reusable are from outside of myth--with the slight exception of the commflagging stuff |
| [22:28:50] | janneg: | sphery: if the new video widget uses the normal playback code problem would be solved too |
| [22:29:31] | sphery: | that's true, too |
| [22:29:56] | sphery: | and I hope the new widget does use "real" video playback |
| [22:30:03] | janneg: | the video renderer are obviously fine and Xv supports yuv and hardware scaling |
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| [22:38:59] | cpwp: | Is is possible to switch between DVB-S and DVB-T on a dual standard card like the HVR4000? |
| [22:44:03] | sphery: | don't know anything about the cards, but if the cards/driver modules themselves allow it, in Myth you could probably set up the card twice as 2 different capture cards and specify that they're in the same input group to prevent Myth from ever using the 2 "cards" at the same time |
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| [22:48:28] | cpwp: | hi sphery – the card appears as /dev/dvb/adaptor0/ – under which I find frontend0 and frontend1 |
| [22:49:45] | cpwp: | I can't see an option to specify "frontend" in capture card setup |
| [22:50:14] | sphery: | yeah, pretty sure Myth has frontend0 hardcoded |
| [22:51:26] | cpwp: | I wonder whether I could do a messy hack with symlinks |
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| [22:52:12] | sphery: | might work... like some /dev/dvb/adaptor1 type thing with frontend0 in it |
| [22:52:24] | sphery: | looking at the code now to see if there's a way to specify |
| [22:52:43] | cpwp: | Thank you. |
| [22:53:16] | sphery: | in CardUtil::GetDeviceName(): if (DVB_DEV_FRONTEND == type) return QString("/dev/dvb/adapter%1/frontend0").arg(cardnum); |
| [22:53:19] | sphery: | looks hard-coded |
| [22:54:58] | cpwp: | Yep – I just spotted that, too. I could try to write a patch to enable frontend selection. |
| [22:55:03] | sphery: | if you're feeling /really/ motivated, I, personally, would /love/ to see someone submit a patch that allows proper usage of any device names (even udev-created, human-readable names, like hd3000–1/frontend# or a180–2/frontend# |
| [22:55:30] | sphery: | for the dvb ones, that is (as I'm pretty sure we're all good with the analog capture ones) |
| [22:55:49] | sphery: | even if you just get a patch to allow frontend selection, it would be a good start |
| [22:56:02] | cpwp: | I think it's something that could prove useful – there must be other people who would use it. |
| [22:56:15] | sphery: | if you do work on the code, you probably want to talk with stuarta (and possibly danielk and/or janneg) |
| [22:56:30] | sphery: | they may have some ideas about where we should take the code |
| [22:57:34] | cpwp: | Okay, I will get in touch. I have some time free in the evenings – might as well put it to some use :-) |
| [22:57:58] | sphery: | in the short term, though, try out a new /dev/dvb/adapter# directory with a symlink frontend0 -> ../adapter0/frontend1 and then set up 2 cards and use an input group so they're not used together. If that works, it would be /wonderful/ if you wrote up a wiki page about how to do it at http://wiki.mythtv.org/ :) |
| [22:58:38] | sphery: | oh, and you'll probably also have to enable "Open on demand" for both cards |
| [22:58:45] | cpwp: | Right – feeling motivated now but have to get some sleep. Will certainly try that out tomorrow. |
| [22:58:50] | cpwp: | Thanks for the pointer. |
| [22:58:54] | sphery: | I have a feeling that we'll soon be seeing others that have similar cards |
| [22:58:55] | sphery: | thanks |
| [22:58:59] | sphery: | good luck |
| [22:59:12] | cpwp: | Will report back soon. All the best. |
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| [23:06:43] | gbee: | sphery: it was certainly my intention that the video widget should be 'proper' video, i.e. xv etc rather than the frame by frame rendering used previously |
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| [23:10:16] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, I was mainly sold on the benefits of that approach when I read your comments about the plan a while back, but I realize that time and the desire for a 0.22 release may mean that approach has to wait |
| [23:10:56] | gbee: | the problem has always been allowing elements of the UI to render above the video, but that might just have to wait for the OSD to be ported, at which point a solution might present itself |
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| [23:30:28] | wagnerrp: | somehow i managed to delete the background image |
| [23:31:17] | wagnerrp: | i decided to try MythMovies, got impatient of waiting after a minute or so and started hitting 'escape' |
| [23:31:35] | wagnerrp: | and the background just dropped out to leave a back screen behind the menu |
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