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| [00:00:20] | kormoc: | that said, with a few changes to their pages, they could be telling google a bit more about the content so they could be a lot smarter |
| [00:00:24] | sphery: | yeah, but it works for "imdb <moviename>" 99% of the time, and when it doesn't it just takes you to another movie with the same name |
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| [00:00:45] | sphery: | Oh, BTW, you have to do "themoviedb.org 100 million bc"... forgot the org |
| [00:01:17] | kormoc: | so the real trick that IMDB is using is the following |
| [00:01:31] | kormoc: | <meta name="title" content="100 Million BC (2008) (TV)"> |
| [00:01:39] | sphery: | I use I feel lucky a lot for movie/tv lookups ("tv.com Lost" or "imdb Eragon") by just typing the query into the Firefox location bar |
| [00:02:27] | kormoc: | Google does prefer to link directly to a page that has a matching title, but it knows that the <title> attribute is often filled with things like, -Best tv site!, or what not |
| [00:02:43] | kormoc: | so they use the meta title as a bit of a 'The real title' |
| [00:02:49] | sphery: | So, looks like if I ask Travis about including such metadata... |
| [00:03:04] | kormoc: | combined that with some other hints (solid keywords, description, etc), it should get /a lot/ better about picking the right pages |
| [00:03:09] | sphery: | Oh, yeah, the page title at tmdb is "100 Million BC | themoviedb.org (TMDb)" |
| [00:03:17] | sphery: | sweet |
| [00:03:18] | sphery: | thanks |
| [00:03:18] | iamlindoro: | Oh that old movie |
| [00:03:32] | superdug: | quad shield bury grade coax makes my hands all sticky :-( |
| [00:03:45] | sphery: | yeah, your namesake on tmdb did some awesome metadata work on that movie |
| [00:03:48] | iamlindoro: | If that's what you kids are calling it these days |
| [00:03:57] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Ah, but he didn't create it :) |
| [00:04:16] | sphery: | don't let people know who created it |
| [00:04:26] | sphery: | gotta protect my rep |
| [00:04:27] | iamlindoro: | Some B movie fan |
| [00:04:30] | superdug: | iamlindoro: I just added an post-amp 8-way to my pre-amp directional antenna ... now all the rooms happily get all the channels |
| [00:04:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro: did you notice my comment about how they only went 70M years back in time? |
| [00:04:55] | sphery: | really confused me |
| [00:05:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery, no, haven't been to that page since I added the images |
| [00:05:08] | sphery: | comment was in here |
| [00:05:17] | iamlindoro: | ah, no |
| [00:05:26] | sphery: | I was confused until I realized that the movie just seemed to last about 30M years, so by then end, the title was accurate |
| [00:05:29] | kormoc: | you should let Travis know that with the meta keywords, really really don't duplicate them over all the pages if he can. having the keywords be "The Movie Database, Movie, Database, Title" for every page would hurt more then having "Movie, Title" |
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| [00:06:26] | ** sphery considers lending kormoc a tmdb bug database login ** | |
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| [00:07:01] | sphery: | kormoc: so recommend: <meta name="title" content="100 Million BC (2008) (TV)"> |
| [00:07:10] | sphery: | but do I recommend anything about keywords, too? |
| [00:07:20] | kormoc: | Aye, keywords are very important |
| [00:07:56] | kormoc: | I'll tell you what, after I finish up the SD contracts and get some free time, I'll do a SEO run over the site and give a list of suggestions |
| [00:08:03] | sphery: | keywords for 100M BC is empty... wondering if he's pulling them from the user-submitted keywords for the movie |
| [00:08:12] | sphery: | that would be /very/ nice |
| [00:08:34] | sphery: | I really want tmdb to outshine imdb by 0.22 so people embrace it instead of whining |
| [00:08:46] | sphery: | I think from a purely posters perspective, it already does |
| [00:09:12] | sphery: | but the info and web-based usability leaves something to be desired |
| [00:09:30] | kormoc: | It's too bad it's not more... open |
| [00:09:42] | sphery: | if we can get that to just info needing work, then we have all of Myth's users to help |
| [00:09:48] | sphery: | more open than imdb, though |
| [00:09:54] | iamlindoro: | If people didn't feel so entitled, it would be fine |
| [00:10:12] | iamlindoro: | They expect perfect data to be given to them, and expect to have nothing to do in return |
| [00:10:16] | kormoc: | Yeah, but changing the page usability is gonna be harder |
| [00:10:34] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, I have asked Travis a couple of times about a submission API |
| [00:10:36] | k-man: | sphery: cool – never heard of tmdb before |
| [00:10:41] | sphery: | I haven't even mentioned the DoS issues with it, either... |
| [00:10:43] | iamlindoro: | as I'd like to be able to set all the data in Myth, then submit it |
| [00:10:47] | kormoc: | yeah? |
| [00:10:51] | kormoc: | should be super simple.... |
| [00:11:00] | iamlindoro: | k-man, Get used to it, it's Myth's new movie grabber :) |
| [00:11:04] | walstib: | quick question – I have 3 tuners and I cannot switch between them in live tv, but I can set all 3 to record and they record correctly. I added an entry in the keybindings table mapping ~ to NEXTCARD in the TV Playback context. This worked for me in 0.21, but is not working in trunk – any ideas? |
| [00:11:10] | sphery: | On pages where there are multiple high-res backdrops, the JavaScript morphing locks up my Athlon XP-class systems |
| [00:11:11] | k-man: | well it looks good |
| [00:11:15] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Yeah, I think he is treading water sometimes just tracking down breakage |
| [00:11:25] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, I think maybe he doesn't have your level of expertise |
| [00:11:36] | iamlindoro: | (but who does, really?) |
| [00:12:02] | ** kormoc wonders if that's a complement or not :P ** | |
| [00:12:04] | sphery: | walstib: NEXTCARD should work |
| [00:12:18] | sphery: | walstib: NEXTINPUT should not |
| [00:12:21] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, it was |
| [00:12:22] | sphery: | are you sure you're using the right? |
| [00:12:23] | k-man: | walstib: can you switch to the other tuners using the menu? |
| [00:12:52] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, heh, okay, I just try to make sure I don't oversell myself, it's hard at times |
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| [00:13:15] | walstib: | k-man: yeah, I can switch using the menu |
| [00:14:01] | kormoc: | sphery, got a link to one set that really nails your box? |
| [00:14:10] | sphery: | one second |
| [00:14:19] | sphery: | (+ however long it takes to recover :) |
| [00:14:32] | kormoc: | heh, a title would work as well ;) |
| [00:14:49] | sphery: | gotta verify |
| [00:15:10] | sphery: | first guess is The Dark Knight |
| [00:15:19] | sphery: | (well-loved movies tend to get lots of backdrops) |
| [00:15:24] | kormoc: | Rgr |
| [00:15:43] | kormoc: | and it's the page load that's slow or the actual affect? |
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| [00:15:49] | sphery: | the effect |
| [00:16:04] | kormoc: | ath xp, linux? |
| [00:16:09] | kormoc: | firefox? |
| [00:16:29] | sphery: | not as bad for tmdb as some places (like my insurance co's website or even the usps.com home page) |
| [00:17:08] | sphery: | but when it's changing, my whole computer--including this terminal window running ssh to my irssi/screen o nanother computer--locks for about 1s |
| [00:17:23] | sphery: | and it causes things like out-of-order keystrokes "o nanather" |
| [00:17:43] | iamlindoro: | Good ol' O. Nanather |
| [00:17:47] | iamlindoro: | he's a nice guy |
| [00:18:04] | sphery: | it's GNU/Linux, Firefox (Minefield, actually), and absolutely no 3D/GPU accel other than what's in the 2D FOSS drivers (here nv) |
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| [00:18:38] | sphery: | kormoc: usps.com shows a really good DoS here |
| [00:18:44] | kormoc: | Minefield built yourself or from another source? |
| [00:18:50] | sphery: | myself |
| [00:19:01] | kormoc: | what config options are you using? |
| [00:19:02] | sphery: | potential cause, too |
| [00:21:08] | sphery: | hmmm... lost the mozconfig I was using in the Great Fileserver Recursive rm Event |
| [00:21:19] | ** kormoc winces ** | |
| [00:21:33] | sphery: | Guess I won't know until I finish my upgrade. |
| [00:21:39] | ** iamlindoro feels like there's a public service announcement in this ** | |
| [00:21:43] | sphery: | heh |
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| [00:22:19] | sphery: | the moral of the story, be careful with copy/paste when you're not certain what the CWD is in each terminal |
| [00:23:03] | sphery: | (even though the command wasn't supposed to affect CWD, my right hand slipped one to the right of the home key, so && became ** after an rm -r command |
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| [00:23:38] | kormoc: | So in short, the important ones are, you need to --enable-optimize, make sure you're not selecting a default toolkit anymore (and make sure to have cairo installed) |
| [00:23:59] | sphery: | I have cairo, I have --enable-optimize |
| [00:24:19] | sphery: | I don't remember, but I /think/ I removed the default toolkit selection when I moved from 2.5 to 3.0 |
| [00:24:46] | sphery: | kormoc: anyway, to see the "treading water" iamlindoro mentioned, check out the tmdb bug database: http://meticulo.lighthouseapp.com/ |
| [00:25:05] | sphery: | most are issues with individual movies on the site... :( |
| [00:26:47] | ** kormoc resists an urge to point out that it /is/ a rails app.... ** | |
| [00:26:53] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:26:58] | kormoc: | I guess I didn't resist that urge too well ;) |
| [00:27:24] | kormoc: | So, why doesn't he look for help? |
| [00:27:29] | sphery: | guess that's their advertising/PR campaign? Make a bunch of pages just randomly return, "Application error (Rails)" |
| [00:27:47] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [00:27:53] | kormoc: | cause it's the application error, not rails ;) |
| [00:27:53] | Dagmar: | Rails users really dig their error pages. |
| [00:27:54] | sphery: | Gets the Rails name out in the public eye :) |
| [00:28:19] | Dagmar: | kormoc: I thought the application was complaining that it was written with Ruby |
| [00:28:25] | kormoc: | ha |
| [00:28:52] | Dagmar: | Now you can decide faster than ever before, that just maybe, you picked the wrong damn language for the project. |
| [00:30:50] | kormoc: | sphery, about:buildconfig |
| [00:32:41] | sphery: | kormoc: so, as a precursor to your SEO, should I request that he go ahead and add: <meta name="title" content="<movie title> (<year>)"> kind of stuff? |
| [00:32:49] | sphery: | kormoc: and http://pastebin.ca/1471838 |
| [00:32:58] | kormoc: | Yeah, that should help out a lot |
| [00:33:11] | sphery: | ok. |
| [00:33:20] | kormoc: | he should also sign up with a google analytics and google web master accounts (all free) and they'll help track down some other hints |
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| [00:33:31] | sphery: | oh, and thanks for letting me know about about:buildconfig |
| [00:33:58] | sphery: | I'll let you recommend those (since I don't know anything about them and I know some people don't like/trust them :) |
| [00:34:13] | sphery: | you're probably better able to discuss any issues with him |
| [00:34:48] | kormoc: | heh, google webmaster is purely giving you google's view of your site, it's silly not to trust that one, but sure |
| [00:34:53] | kormoc: | does he hop on irc at all? |
| [00:35:01] | sphery: | don't know |
| [00:35:16] | sphery: | I think he popped into #mythtv for a short while to talk with gbee |
| [00:35:21] | sphery: | IIRC, travis |
| [00:36:39] | kormoc: | sphery, wanna run firefox with MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1 and see if you got hit with that bug? |
| [00:37:13] | sphery: | which bug? The JS locks up computer? |
| [00:37:33] | sphery: | guess I'm remembering wrong about his visiting #mythtv |
| [00:37:48] | kormoc: | Pango has been known to cause slowdowns on page reflows |
| [00:37:54] | sphery: | ohhh. |
| [00:37:56] | sphery: | interesting |
| [00:38:10] | sphery: | think a separate process is good enough? |
| [00:38:23] | sphery: | (don't want to close all my windows/tabs) |
| [00:38:26] | kormoc: | I'd imagine so |
| [00:40:20] | sphery: | still slow |
| [00:41:02] | sphery: | And, yeah, I'm sure it's a separate process (separate HOME, so separate profile, and using firefox -no-remote... It's actually my flash-enabled firefox, so I do this a lot) |
| [00:41:20] | sphery: | but, to be sure, I'll test it out tonight/tomorrow (gotta shut down when I swap out this computer, anyway) |
| [00:41:37] | kormoc: | kk |
| [00:42:15] | kormoc: | for what it's worth, this work box is a p4, and I'm getting 0 lag with ubuntu's default firefox build |
| [00:42:39] | sphery: | mine is also an old FF, so it may be improved |
| [00:42:54] | kormoc: | yeah, fair 'nuff |
| [00:43:00] | kormoc: | it's really odd tho |
| [00:43:27] | kormoc: | but what we could do as well is have tmdb do a quick js speed test and if it's over a certain amount, fall back to no effects |
| [00:43:30] | sphery: | I'm doing a major upgrade (really, just re-starting my upgrade since I took so long the first tiem :), and I'll compare the next firefox once it's ready |
| [00:43:39] | sphery: | that would be so cool. |
| [00:44:00] | sphery: | then we just have to convince every other JavaScript eye-candy developer to do likewise |
| [00:44:12] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [00:44:31] | kormoc: | a69ebs%@ |
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| [00:44:36] | kormoc: | aww shit... |
| [00:44:47] | sphery: | time to change that one, anyway |
| [00:45:33] | sphery: | as often as I do that, I /really/ wonder about all the companies I do work for that prevent changing passwords "too frequently" |
| [00:45:53] | kormoc: | yeah... I should be able to change it as often as I want |
| [00:46:49] | sphery: | Yeah. I think most limit frequency of changes just because they're trying to prevent all the "just changed my pw and can't remember it" help calls. But for security purposes, it seems really wrong. |
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| [00:49:44] | Dagmar: | I can tell you why they're doing it. |
| [00:50:15] | Dagmar: | Mallory is lazy. Mallory likes the password "passwort" which she feels is clever. |
| [00:50:41] | Dagmar: | Every sixty days the Mean Old System requires Mallory choose a new password which is not the same as her old password. |
| [00:51:02] | Dagmar: | Mallory got the idea that she could just add a number to the end of the password, and then change it back. |
| [00:51:20] | Dagmar: | Mallory changes her password to "passwert1" and then back to "password" |
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| [00:52:26] | Dagmar: | Alternatively, Mallory changes her password to "passwert1", then "passwert2", then "passwert3", until she's made nine changes to the password, causing her original password to disappear from the list of old passwords that aren't allowed, so that she can go back to using "passwert" as a password. |
| [00:52:56] | Dagmar: | You'd be effing astonished if you knew the trouble some of these people go to to avoid following proper procedures. |
| [00:52:57] | ** kormoc thinks Mallory is smarter then the average Mallory ** | |
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| [00:53:40] | Dagmar: | If 2/3 of the restrictions on passwords aren't annoying the users, it probably means they're using stupid passwords in violation of policy. |
| [00:54:06] | sphery: | So, why not a more appropriate old-password list? Rather than keeping the last 10, keep the last 2yrs. |
| [00:54:23] | Dagmar: | The "too many password changes" policy is generally to prevent people changing their passwords numerous times in a row so they can keep their original. |
| [00:54:43] | Dagmar: | sphery: Because dynamic-length lists and large user databases don't run that well |
| [00:55:14] | Dagmar: | That and there'd be some asshole who would hook up something to automatically change his password every minute and leave it running for months. |
| [00:55:52] | ** kormoc thinks that's experience talking.... ** | |
| [00:56:07] | Dagmar: | Keep in mind I used to do IT security for a living. |
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| [00:56:10] | Dagmar: | Had the certs and everything. |
| [00:56:24] | kormoc: | well, more wondering if you setup a auto password changer |
| [00:56:27] | Dagmar: | THen I decided that the vast and overwhelming majority of the users I was supposed to protect should DIE IN A FIRE. |
| [00:56:36] | Dagmar: | kormoc: That too |
| [00:56:39] | Dagmar: | hege |
| [00:56:58] | Dagmar: | ...but mainly it's a matter of the database issuwe |
| [00:58:40] | superdug: | ugh, I just found out with the new amplifier I can get a whole nother OTA market ... I wonder what I'm going to do now that I have 3 CBS channels |
| [01:00:03] | sphery: | well, they currently have 3 CSI series, so you'll enjoy 9x the CSI drama! |
| [01:04:09] | sphery: | kormoc: if you want to add comments/correct anything I said: https://meticulo.lighthouseapp.com/projects/1 . . . ticket-128-2 |
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| [01:45:23] | superdug: | seriously ... how hard is it to paint a tornado warning in HD |
| [01:45:25] | superdug: | ugh |
| [01:46:31] | wagnerrp: | that depends... HD mpeg2 transcoding on-the-fly is not a trivial process |
| [01:46:56] | wagnerrp: | but i find it hard to believe that any major local station doesnt already have the equipment for their news services |
| [01:47:38] | superdug: | if they can paint their logo up in the right hand corner ... |
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| [01:47:42] | jblack: | I have a major station overhere that's letterboxing sdtv. I bet they don't have the right equipment yet. |
| [01:47:50] | mistermocha: | hey all... I'm a little hard-pressed to find any good stuff online anywhere for using mythtv to handle AT&T uverse cable |
| [01:47:53] | mistermocha: | anyone here know any such successes? |
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| [01:48:19] | wagnerrp: | mistermocha: yeah, a receiver box and an analog capture card |
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| [01:50:27] | jblack: | whenever they have a scroller during a hdtv show, they double-letterbox |
| [01:51:03] | slam_: | random question for the average myth user, but perhaps still relevant.... |
| [01:51:16] | slam_: | would a mini itx board fit in a micro atx case??? |
| [01:51:18] | mistermocha: | wagnerrp: will I be able to control my cable via mythtv with such a setup? Or is that just for capturing? |
| [01:51:36] | mistermocha: | forgive me, I don't know a whole lot about mythtv... doing research before doing any investing in equipment |
| [01:51:37] | superdug: | jblack: so you get a box around the whole thing? lol that's all sorts of annoying |
| [01:51:42] | wagnerrp: | if nothing else, you can always use an ir blaster |
| [01:51:49] | jblack: | superdug: Yuppers. |
| [01:52:19] | superdug: | jblack: hack myth aspect to allow you to stretch and fill at the same time :-) |
| [01:52:39] | jblack: | I just re-record the show, usually |
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| [01:55:28] | mistermocha: | wagnerrp: ir blaster? or was that for someone else? |
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| [01:56:23] | jblack: | irblaster is the tool. |
| [01:56:48] | wagnerrp: | i cant seem to find any information on video capture sans STB |
| [01:56:57] | wagnerrp: | so i can only imagine its encrypted |
| [01:57:07] | wagnerrp: | and you have no choice but to use the uverse STB |
| [01:57:23] | wagnerrp: | which means analog capture using an IVTV card or an HDPVR |
| [01:57:28] | mistermocha: | slam_: mini ITX standard size is 6.7 x 6.7 inches |
| [01:57:32] | wagnerrp: | and control using an ir blaster |
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| [01:57:45] | mistermocha: | slam_: the smallest microATX boards are that size |
| [01:57:47] | mistermocha: | so yes |
| [01:57:47] | jblack: | I suppose he'll be stuck with svideo too. |
| [01:58:03] | mistermocha: | but the mounting posts may not fit |
| [01:58:08] | slam_: | mistermocha: i realize what the size is... but it's the location of the screw holes that will determine if it fits or not |
| [01:58:13] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR will capture component HD... under trunk |
| [01:58:33] | jblack: | there's cable boxes with component hd? |
| [01:58:48] | wagnerrp: | any HD STB will have component outputs |
| [01:58:58] | jblack: | I figured they'd all have a DVI or some encrypted cable thing |
| [01:59:09] | mistermocha: | slam_: what case are you planning on putting it into? |
| [01:59:12] | wagnerrp: | and at least in the US, they are not allowed to disable or degrade the video over them |
| [01:59:13] | wagnerrp: | yet |
| [01:59:31] | mistermocha: | cases are pretty malleable.. you could get slick and move the posts around |
| [01:59:46] | slam_: | mistermocha: an ultra microfly case |
| [02:00:11] | wagnerrp: | from www.mini-itx.com/faq.asp .... 'mini-itx is backward-compatible with both flex-atx and micro-atx' |
| [02:00:19] | wagnerrp: | so yes, it looks like they use the same standoff posts |
| [02:00:19] | slam_: | sweet |
| [02:00:25] | slam_: | thanks wagner |
| [02:00:27] | jblack: | I wonder how I could get component hdtv into something the pchdtv5500 would like |
| [02:00:58] | jpabq: | jblack: you use the HD-PVR instead of the pchdtv5500 |
| [02:01:19] | jpabq: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [02:01:22] | jblack: | I can't aford to throw away $250 worth of tv cards. |
| [02:01:26] | mistermocha: | slam_: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/general-hardw . . . uestion.html |
| [02:01:39] | ** nambo likes his pchdtv5500 ** | |
| [02:01:56] | jblack: | I have two of them that I use for broadcast. I like 'em. |
| [02:02:02] | nambo: | $250? it's just a $120 card |
| [02:02:03] | nambo: | heh |
| [02:02:33] | nambo: | i have a Hauppauge PVR150 and the pchdtv5500 in my box |
| [02:02:52] | nambo: | pchdtv5500 is a really nice card |
| [02:03:12] | jpabq: | The HD-PVR sells for ~$205. A little expensive, but it has not competition. It is the ONLY device which will record HD via component cables, and feed the result as H.264 via USB to your computer. |
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| [02:03:16] | lwizardl: | hi |
| [02:03:24] | lwizardl: | Dagmar, hey you there? |
| [02:04:08] | jblack: | jpabq: Hey, I'll be happy to take a pair if you're paying for 'em! ;) |
| [02:04:15] | nambo: | lol |
| [02:05:16] | nambo: | "only" is a broad term |
| [02:05:51] | lwizardl: | to anyone that remembers my issues with my computer killing connected hardware i found what was causing the issues. one of the wire connectors had a bare spot and when the case moved the wire made contact |
| [02:05:55] | jblack: | I don't think the hd-pvr is compatible with my front ends, so you'll need to buy me a couple replacement machines too. :) |
| [02:06:05] | lwizardl: | we was talking about it yesterday |
| [02:06:16] | jpabq: | I have a pair, but I won't give them up. I hate watching low-resolution (SD) shows. Well worth the money (to me), to get full HD with DD5.1 surround sound out of my Directv STBs. |
| [02:06:18] | nambo: | pchdtv5500 ftmfw |
| [02:06:26] | nambo: | heh |
| [02:07:27] | jblack: | Actually, hrmmmmmm. |
| [02:07:44] | nambo: | ok, well... i like mine |
| [02:07:50] | nambo: | :P |
| [02:07:59] | nambo: | to each their own |
| [02:08:26] | jblack: | Hrmmm. How does it work. Does it have a drive built into it or something? USB doesn't seem like it would have the throughput for streaming |
| [02:09:09] | jpabq: | The HD-PVR encodes it into H.264. It is the H.264 that is streamed to the computer via USB. |
| [02:09:30] | jpabq: | All the computer has to do, is write it to disk. |
| [02:11:00] | jblack: | Ahh, usb 2.0 is 480Mbit, well over what two hdpvrs would dump. |
| [02:12:33] | jblack: | maybe someday when I have money again. |
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| [02:14:36] | lwizardl: | not trying to start a flame war please, but what distro are people here using for their mythtv boxes? I'm going to be using Ubuntu like all my other desktop machines |
| [02:14:50] | jblack: | I'm not supposed to be using them anyways. |
| [02:15:07] | jblack: | lwizardl: use whatever you're most comfortable with. |
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| [02:15:56] | lwizardl: | jblack, i know that, I'm just trying to see whats the most popular. on the forums online seems to be knoppix |
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| [02:17:08] | Dagmar: | Unless Knoppix magically started coming with a canned MythTV install, you're better off with MythBuntu |
| [02:17:55] | sphery: | Perhaps he meant KnoppMyth (now LinHES?) |
| [02:17:55] | lwizardl: | i always thought they was just using this http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html |
| [02:18:12] | lwizardl: | sphery, yeah |
| [02:18:41] | sphery: | Yeah, the 3 biggies tend to be (in no particular order) LinHES, MythBuntu, and MythDora |
| [02:18:56] | sphery: | which are Arch, Ubuntu, and Fedora, respectively |
| [02:19:13] | sphery: | so if you know one of those 3 main distros, choose its Myth distro |
| [02:19:51] | superdug: | Is LinHES still a live cd |
| [02:19:54] | lwizardl: | yeah that what I was going to do was use the mythbuntu distro since my cards should be supported out the box |
| [02:20:36] | lwizardl: | i have hauppauge cards |
| [02:20:37] | sphery: | Yeah, MythBuntu is very popular. Should be a good choice--and it has its own channel for distro-specific Myth issues-- #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [02:21:00] | sphery: | superdug: I think it has a LiveCD and allows install from the CD |
| [02:21:39] | superdug: | isn't knoppix more or less a debian spinoff still? |
| [02:21:58] | jams: | sphery- thats correct |
| [02:22:37] | sphery: | I think LinHES was moving to Arch... KnoppMyth was originally Knoppix. jams knows more |
| [02:22:38] | superdug: | installing myth is pretty easy on any distro as well |
| [02:23:11] | sphery: | though Myth has certain configuration requirements that often require reconfiguring the distro |
| [02:23:21] | psm321_: | can i tell myth to shift captions by a bit? (watching widescreen program on 4:3 monitor, would rather see captions taking up some of the black bar space instead of covering program) |
| [02:23:21] | sphery: | so, if you use a Myth distro, you get one already configured for Myth |
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| [02:23:37] | sphery: | IMHO, /much/ better than trying to learn all the configuration requirements yourself |
| [02:24:18] | superdug: | sphery: heh, I got it working on OS X :-) |
| [02:24:55] | sphery: | psm321_: if you mean EIA-608 (NTSC) captions, no. If you mean EIA-708 (ATSC) captions, not yet. :) (By that, I mean that the spec says that renderers are encouraged to provide support for that kind of thing, but it's optional, and Myth doesn't yet allow it.) |
| [02:25:28] | psm321_: | well ok, then my second question: can i get the black background on ATSC captions? (thats the big reason i havent switched) |
| [02:25:31] | sphery: | then again, EIA-708 captions aren't too reliable (at least for me/with those transmitted by my broadcasters) in Myth, yet |
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| [02:25:46] | psm321_: | that and weird overlapping |
| [02:26:04] | sphery: | yeah, the weird overlapping is what I meant by , "not too reliable" |
| [02:26:22] | sphery: | Myth's parser/renderer needs fixing for EIA-708 captions |
| [02:26:26] | sphery: | just not high priority to anyone, yet |
| [02:26:39] | psm321_: | k |
| [02:26:44] | sphery: | I just use EIA-608 captions (on my ATSC recordings) |
| [02:26:54] | psm321_: | yeah thats what i've been doing |
| [02:27:03] | psm321_: | just would be nice to use that empty space :-D |
| [02:28:55] | sphery: | yeah, the problem is that captions actually specify location |
| [02:29:04] | psm321_: | ah |
| [02:29:27] | psm321_: | ok, i have another question about doing something that i'm sure is unsupported, so feel free to yell at me :) |
| [02:29:40] | sphery: | IMHO, when they make a letterboxed movie, they should always put the captions in the letterboxing, but they don't |
| [02:29:59] | psm321_: | but then what about people with widescreen tvs? |
| [02:30:47] | sphery: | if you zoom/cut off part of the broadcast image, your TV (or other renderer--like Myth) should (and Myth does) adjust the captions to still be on screen |
| [02:31:12] | sphery: | i.e. they're rendered at the specified location as if you hadn't zoomed |
| [02:32:10] | ** sphery is currently watching a zoomed-in letterboxed recording of Nova with captions enabled and they're on screen and the captions are in the same physical location on my TV whether zoomed or not ** | |
| [02:32:11] | psm321_: | my digital recording stuff is still in the experimenting with stuff stage, so i'm recording on a separate myth setup on a different box. but my main box is better for playback (higher res monitor). so last night i tried injecting a recording into the db (basically copying a row and changing parts of it) and it worked fine after rebuilding the seektable. today though, another recording is only showing up as 6 minutes even thoug |
| [02:32:11] | psm321_: | 20–25, even after a seektable rebuild |
| [02:32:24] | psm321_: | its fine on the box that originally recorded it |
| [02:32:32] | psm321_: | any ideas on what might be wrong? |
| [02:33:02] | sphery: | best bet is to use the (unmaintained, legacy, use-at-your-own-risk) myth.rebuilddatabase.pl script to bring in new recordings |
| [02:33:27] | psm321_: | ok21, i'll check that out |
| [02:33:57] | sphery: | for now, move the recording file, touch the original filename, delete the recording, then move the file back to its old name (<chanid>_<starttime>.mpg), then run myth.rebuilddatabase.pl --dbhost=<hostname or localhost> |
| [02:34:26] | sphery: | might have to specify a dir, too, but it will tell you about that one |
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| [02:41:44] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: i really like the new pop-up style that graphite uses |
| [02:42:33] | sphery: | psm321_: btw, other recommendations for EIA-708 captions include forced caption character color, character border color, background color, and background opacity. Feel free to implement any of them. (But, really, may make more sense to wait until the OSD is converted to mythui.) |
| [02:44:16] | psm321_: | neat, that worked. seeking is still ridiculously slow but i suspect that might be the file size (though shouldnt the seektable fix that?) |
| [02:44:20] | psm321_: | thanks sphery! |
| [02:44:44] | sphery: | seektable should fix it |
| [02:44:54] | sphery: | did you do the "yes run mythcommflag" on it? |
| [02:45:00] | sphery: | if so, that's likely the problem |
| [02:45:06] | psm321_: | i've been meaning to get into mythtv dev but its never gone beyond my own little hacks |
| [02:45:13] | sphery: | most all mpeg-2 requires mythtranscode --buildindex |
| [02:45:19] | sphery: | (except in trunk) |
| [02:45:19] | psm321_: | oh |
| [02:45:25] | psm321_: | i did not know about that |
| [02:45:31] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable |
| [02:45:34] | psm321_: | i assumed mythcommflag :) |
| [02:45:37] | sphery: | yeah, legacy script |
| [02:45:42] | sphery: | doesn't know any better |
| [02:45:54] | psm321_: | oddly, mythcommflag (run manually) did work for me yesterday |
| [02:45:55] | sphery: | just always say no, then run the mythtranscode line from the wiki page |
| [02:46:02] | sphery: | "most all" :) |
| [02:46:18] | sphery: | mythtranscode --buildindex will always work |
| [02:46:21] | sphery: | mythcommflag might |
| [02:46:24] | sphery: | or might mostly work |
| [02:47:09] | ** sphery hates Ctrl-Q in Firefox ** | |
| [02:47:30] | psm321_: | so does it actually transcode or its an auxilliary function of mythtranscode like mythcommflag's? :) |
| [02:47:47] | psm321_: | i.e. do i need enough free space for an extra temp copy? |
| [02:47:49] | sphery: | wouldn't be half as bad if Q weren't next to W, but I'm not switching keyboard layouts because of stupid FF |
| [02:47:57] | sphery: | it doesn't transcode |
| [02:48:04] | sphery: | just like mythcommflag --rebuild doesn't flag commercials |
| [02:48:18] | psm321_: | k |
| [02:48:19] | sphery: | just the program into which the functionality got stuffed |
| [02:48:36] | psm321_: | now i just have to find out what ctrl+q does :) |
| [02:49:41] | sphery: | Ctrl-Q in Firefox is quit |
| [02:49:48] | sphery: | I lost all my windows and tabs |
| [02:49:58] | sphery: | Ctrl-W is close window |
| [02:50:08] | sphery: | wanted one gone, but lost all of them |
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| [02:50:30] | sphery: | really, Ctrl-W is close tab, now, but for a window without tabs... |
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| [02:51:07] | jblack: | The firefox devs need to be kicked in the balls |
| [02:51:32] | sphery: | yeah, I was also very miffed at their changes to font size adjustments |
| [02:51:40] | psm321_: | interesting, ctrl+q does nothing for me |
| [02:51:44] | psm321_: | then again, i'm on ff2 |
| [02:52:01] | psm321_: | it doesnt prompt to save tabs or anything? |
| [02:52:11] | sphery: | 1) Ctrl-scroll wheel got switched around so what /was/ zoom in became zoom out (why, so now it's the same as the "reference implementation", a.k.a. Internet Explorer) |
| [02:52:37] | sphery: | 2) now when you zoom one page, it affects all pages on that site in all windows/tabs that are currently open |
| [02:52:57] | sphery: | psm321_: linux? In Windows they use the Windows shortcut keys (Alt-F4) |
| [02:53:29] | sphery: | though it's possible that ff2 (or 2.5) removed Ctrl-Q for exactly the reason I'm complaining about it |
| [02:53:46] | jblack: | Of all the things to refer to, internet explorer? |
| [02:53:47] | sphery: | think I remember it being there, then someone seeing the light, then someone obscuring the light |
| [02:54:10] | sphery: | jblack: yeah--especially since IE did the Ctrl+wheel thing /after/ Mozilla did it |
| [02:54:42] | jblack: | Now that you mention it, YEAH! |
| [02:55:26] | ** jblack wonders my his eeepc frontend crashes every 22 hours. ** | |
| [02:55:33] | jblack: | give or take. |
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| [02:56:25] | sphery: | frontend only? |
| [02:56:42] | sphery: | 22hrs could be about the mythfilldatbase recommended run time from SD |
| [02:57:15] | jblack: | Its frontend only, but I don't think it has to do with myth at all. My bet is OOM |
| [02:57:37] | sphery: | or maybe just some cron job--like building the locate database or prelink or ... |
| [02:58:06] | sphery: | updatedb (for locate database) |
| [03:00:25] | jblack: | I'm gonna make a swapfile on the flash device. |
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| [03:05:11] | jblack: | No.. I don't think it's anything cronned. |
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| [03:12:41] | Der_Thomas: | Hey all, looking at a new video card, but not much of a hardware guy. I'm looking at 2 sparkle geforce 9600s that are the same price. Once has 1gb of gddr2 and the other has 512 mb of gddr3. Is there an advantage to either for running a myth FE? |
| [03:14:09] | Dagmar: | If that's the ONLY difference, then no. |
| [03:14:20] | Dagmar: | Surely you can find a vendor better than Sparkle tho |
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| [03:15:15] | wagnerrp: | huh... wootoff with no BOC |
| [03:16:35] | Dagmar: | Yeah because everyone needs tiny monkey keychains |
| [03:16:55] | wagnerrp: | of course |
| [03:18:30] | jblack: | are us cable companies still trying to charge an extra $5/month for hdtv? |
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| [03:18:54] | wagnerrp: | digital cable was free for me |
| [03:19:05] | wagnerrp: | i just get charged STB rental fees |
| [03:19:17] | wagnerrp: | plus whatever digital tiers i want beyond the standard analog channels |
| [03:20:30] | jblack: | I'm thikning about that hdpvr. two of those, two cable boxes, and I'd be able to get everything I pay for on 720p |
| [03:21:28] | wagnerrp: | should probably wait until dell does there $150 HDPVR deal again |
| [03:22:06] | jblack: | I'm gonna wait until the wiki isn't asking distros to keep endusers away |
| [03:22:22] | wagnerrp: | well that wont be until 0.22 comes out |
| [03:22:44] | wagnerrp: | end users will always be advised against running trunk |
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| [03:23:52] | jblack: | I'm not interested in maintaining myth myself. I'm strictly an enduser for myth |
| [03:25:01] | wagnerrp: | well give it a couple months, and youll probably see both happening |
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| [03:26:00] | jblack: | that'll be sooner than I'm ready for it. I'd have to get a couple of those hd's, buy a couple cableboxes, get cable, etc. |
| [03:26:40] | jblack: | I don't miss countdown enough to be in that big of a rush. |
| [03:27:17] | wagnerrp: | countdown? |
| [03:27:23] | jblack: | msnbc news show |
| [03:27:57] | wagnerrp: | not like news in achdee makes much difference |
| [03:28:24] | wagnerrp: | ooh, better off ted tonight |
| [03:28:29] | jblack: | Nah, it doesn't. But I'm OTA right now. |
| [03:28:47] | jblack: | Yup. I'm waiting for it to transcode. =) |
| [03:30:34] | jblack: | If I'm going to get cable to get countdown, daily show, etc etc, then go with current, rather than deprecated tech. |
| [03:34:02] | wagnerrp: | medieval fight club... this should be interesting |
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| [03:37:42] | deeemac: | i was just curious, is it possible to schedule a recording schedule to stop recording at a certian time, like say in 3 months? or do you just have to manually delete it |
| [03:38:11] | deeemac: | if it was a weekly or daily schedule |
| [03:38:47] | thedarkone: | hey all whatz best pre made mythtv distro? |
| [03:39:34] | deeemac: | thedarkone: I'm using mythbuntu personally, I've tried fedora, linuxmce also, linuxmce looks like it will be pretty nice when its out of alpha though |
| [03:40:00] | jams: | deeemac- manually disable it |
| [03:40:22] | thedarkone: | so far i found out ubuntu don't support my sound card |
| [03:40:45] | kormoc: | linuxmce is still around? |
| [03:40:58] | thedarkone: | yeah |
| [03:41:02] | deeemac: | that's what I was affraid of :P do you know if you can delete a recording schedule from command line? |
| [03:41:29] | deeemac: | thedarkone: give mce a try |
| [03:41:40] | deeemac: | it's based on archlinux |
| [03:41:43] | thedarkone: | mce? |
| [03:41:49] | deeemac: | linuxmce |
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| [03:42:38] | thedarkone: | they don't support my mce remote ir blasters |
| [03:42:53] | thedarkone: | so i am running into small problems |
| [03:43:01] | deeemac: | oh |
| [03:43:13] | deeemac: | and looking at their site, I think i have something confused |
| [03:43:28] | thedarkone: | they don't support mce remote ir blaster |
| [03:43:37] | thedarkone: | yeah |
| [03:43:39] | thedarkone: | i know |
| [03:43:41] | thedarkone: | i asked |
| [03:43:49] | thedarkone: | they said good luck |
| [03:44:04] | thedarkone: | they want u to buy a usb uirt |
| [03:44:11] | thedarkone: | witch is 70.00 |
| [03:44:30] | kormoc: | given the mce remote ir blaster is fully supported by lirc, I'd say you just didn't set it up right |
| [03:44:48] | thedarkone: | on linuxmce |
| [03:44:50] | thedarkone: | ? |
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| [03:45:04] | kormoc: | it's just another linux distro |
| [03:45:27] | kormoc: | compile and install lirc yourself if it's not packaged |
| [03:45:31] | thedarkone: | it ubuntu 7.10 |
| [03:45:56] | thedarkone: | kormoc on linuxmce it all pre done |
| [03:45:59] | thedarkone: | with it |
| [03:46:10] | kormoc: | doesn't mean you can't just install over it |
| [03:46:18] | thedarkone: | it would work on webadmin but soon as u tried to use it |
| [03:46:22] | kormoc: | the whole point of linux is freedom to do whatever you want... |
| [03:46:24] | thedarkone: | it would shut down |
| [03:46:31] | thedarkone: | yeah |
| [03:46:56] | thedarkone: | linuxmce sucks |
| [03:47:00] | thedarkone: | any way |
| [03:47:09] | thedarkone: | they use mythtv as tv |
| [03:47:15] | thedarkone: | .19 |
| [03:47:31] | ** kormoc wonders if there's a point in there somewhere ** | |
| [03:47:40] | thedarkone: | they don't even use .21 |
| [03:48:29] | thedarkone: | u can't recompile it or update it to 21 with out wacking it all out of wack |
| [03:48:41] | kormoc: | sure you can, it would just involve work |
| [03:49:58] | jams: | i beleive it was a custom .19 to make it work with the rest of their stuff |
| [03:50:20] | kormoc: | Sure, but noone is preventing anyone from doing the work to customize 0.21 or what not |
| [03:50:30] | jams: | that is true |
| [03:52:00] | thedarkone: | would love to know what hell is wrong with my sound card |
| [03:52:08] | thedarkone: | since it work when i installed os |
| [03:52:16] | thedarkone: | then rebooted now nothing |
| [03:52:48] | wagnerrp: | i seem to have cut off Ted early |
| [03:55:28] | iamlindoro: | Ah, the good ol' "please help" e-mail |
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| [04:05:23] | lwizardl: | sweet, mythbuntu installed and ready now to test out the settings and see if my comcast works |
| [04:07:43] | Lexridge: | xris: are you around 2nite? |
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| [04:11:22] | iamlindoro: | No he will not go out with you tonight ;) |
| [04:12:06] | wagnerrp: | $2 domains if anyone is interested |
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| [04:14:16] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: I wanted to ask him about the lack of response I'm getting from SD on a missing local channel. |
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| [04:16:24] | psm321_: | wagnerrp: where? |
| [04:16:36] | psm321_: | Lexridge: it takes a few days sometimes |
| [04:16:57] | Lexridge: | It's been two weeks. |
| [04:17:01] | wagnerrp: | http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=1415317 |
| [04:17:04] | psm321_: | oh |
| [04:17:09] | psm321_: | no response at all? |
| [04:17:16] | Lexridge: | none. not a peep |
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| [04:17:57] | psm321_: | wow, thats odd |
| [04:18:15] | Lexridge: | psm321: I have sent them 3 msgs over the past 2 wks with no response. It's a CBS affiliate for gosh sakes, it should be there. |
| [04:19:35] | Lexridge: | fortunetly, the PSIP EPG is there, but only four hours at a time, not many days like SD provides. :( |
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| [04:22:27] | lwizardl: | how much was sd again |
| [04:22:32] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: should i be expecting really slow fade transitions between the menu and watch recordings screen? |
| [04:22:39] | wagnerrp: | $20/yr |
| [04:22:44] | lwizardl: | i know its cheap |
| [04:22:51] | lwizardl: | thats right thanks wagnerrp |
| [04:23:48] | elmojo: | wondering if it's my hardware |
| [04:24:04] | Lexridge: | it's very reasonable in pricing. |
| [04:24:05] | wagnerrp: | elmojo: usually means poor opengl performance |
| [04:24:20] | wagnerrp: | either a very old card, or one without proper drivers (causing opengl to run through MESA) |
| [04:24:23] | elmojo: | i'm using a PCI 9400GT |
| [04:24:27] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, yes, you should |
| [04:24:35] | iamlindoro: | it's the shape widget, it's painfully slow |
| [04:24:40] | iamlindoro: | It's a known issue |
| [04:24:46] | wagnerrp: | ah, nevermind |
| [04:24:49] | elmojo: | oh i didn't know it was used on that screen |
| [04:24:53] | elmojo: | sorry |
| [04:25:05] | iamlindoro: | it's use on almost all my screens, some more than others |
| [04:25:10] | elmojo: | k |
| [04:25:13] | psm321_: | Lexridge: its weird that you havent heard anything... usually i'll get a reply in a few days. even if it's just to say that its been submitted to TMS and waiting on them |
| [04:25:27] | psm321_: | Lexridge: you did use report a lineup problem (and not the contact us?) |
| [04:25:30] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, but gbee is aware |
| [04:25:32] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: btw, i'm loving the latest changes |
| [04:25:43] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, nice, I'm glad |
| [04:25:44] | Lexridge: | yes, the report lineup problem page is what I used. |
| [04:25:55] | psm321_: | huh |
| [04:26:08] | psm321_: | i dunno, i've never had them not respond at all |
| [04:26:14] | lwizardl: | anyone still using a pvr-150? |
| [04:26:24] | Lexridge: | I didn't even get a message they had received my message. |
| [04:26:29] | psm321_: | well once, but that was a really stupid ticket and they did respond, just by closing it |
| [04:26:33] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: do ever experience any audio sync issues these days? |
| [04:26:54] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Yes, but give me a few minutes, I'm seeing a guest out |
| [04:26:55] | psm321_: | Lexridge: oh... theres supposed to be an automated confirmation... perhaps some system glitch means your messages arent going through? |
| [04:27:06] | psm321_: | Lexridge: or they have a different email for you than you think? |
| [04:27:15] | Lexridge: | psm321: I got the confirmation from the webpage, but not via email. |
| [04:27:15] | wagnerrp: | how ironic, someone edited the wiki with the reason 'corrected use of enlish' |
| [04:27:19] | psm321_: | or spam filter? |
| [04:27:32] | psm321_: | Lexridge: theres supposed to be a confirmation email (automated) |
| [04:28:01] | Lexridge: | psm321: humm, possibly. Lemme check an obscure email address. |
| [04:29:28] | Lexridge: | psm321: ah, that was it. I thought my account used my wdtv.com email, but indeed I had used my unchecked gmail account. Thanks for the tip. |
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| [04:31:47] | Lexridge: | wow, do I feel like an idiot! |
| [04:33:37] | wagnerrp: | 'whats with this guy, weve already tried to help him twice!' |
| [04:34:19] | iamlindoro: | "Geez, I hope he's not storming around the internet throwing temper tamtrums" |
| [04:34:20] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [04:35:22] | Lexridge: | never! ;) |
| [04:36:37] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, I do see some audio sync issues, but mostly manifesting as the video randomly stepping up to double frame rate and leaving audio behind, and a consistent 100 ms off on HD-PVR, which is easily correctable |
| [04:37:21] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, But from looking at it, I don't think I'm seeing exactly what you are |
| [04:37:23] | elmojo: | so video getting ahead of audio at times? |
| [04:37:36] | lwizardl: | how do i change channels on mythv its been awhile since i last used this |
| [04:37:42] | iamlindoro: | yes, more or less randomly switching to double framerate |
| [04:38:09] | elmojo: | actually it does sound similar |
| [04:38:33] | elmojo: | i assume you read my theory on the dev channel |
| [04:39:03] | iamlindoro: | Only very casually, haven't read carefully yet |
| [04:39:45] | elmojo: | and those repeats seem quite random in some of the videos i've looked at |
| [04:41:40] | iamlindoro: | Don't believe I've seen it in H.264, think it's mostly been my MPEG-2 source, but I will have to may more attention in the next few days and get back to you |
| [04:42:05] | elmojo: | basically a bunch of repeated frames could occur for some small interval and cause the audio sync to drift but it would sync back up when the repeats stopped |
| [04:42:21] | elmojo: | definitely MPEG-2 sources for me |
| [04:42:32] | psm321_: | Lexridge: np, i hope their response was helpful? |
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| [04:43:04] | Lexridge: | psm321: I was told to delete and re-add the locals, and sure enough, that did the trick. Thanks again! |
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| [04:46:40] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: cool. i wouldn't mind samples for analysis if you find any and have the time. |
| [04:48:17] | elmojo: | i can also provide a patch to see if it helps |
| [04:48:23] | elmojo: | i'm calling it a night |
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| [04:56:40] | Lexridge: | I have been on vacation this week, and so far, as of 10pm tonight (tuesday), I have been called 12 times!!! Can you believe that crap? |
| [04:57:13] | Lexridge: | I told them not to bother calling anymore, as I would not be answering the phone. |
| [04:57:57] | Lexridge: | work calling, that is. Guess I should have specified that detail lol. |
| [05:00:17] | kormoc: | just wait till you show up on Monday and they'll tell you that you shouldn't bother showing up anymore... |
| [05:01:00] | iamlindoro: | or your access card just seems not to work |
| [05:02:14] | kormoc: | At one of my old jobs, I setup the access card system to not work every other minute for the one guy, that was fun |
| [05:02:29] | iamlindoro: | note to self, kormoc is wrathful |
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| [05:03:06] | iamlindoro: | but only in real life, not in channel for some reason... hmmmmm |
| [05:03:28] | kormoc: | funny how that works... |
| [05:04:15] | iamlindoro: | That or... kormoc is secretly all the channel evildoers ;) |
| [05:04:29] | kormoc: | oh noes! My secret is out! |
| [05:04:35] | ** kormoc sets mode +b on iamlindoro ** | |
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| [05:05:05] | ** wagnerrp gets some crackerjacks ** | |
| [05:05:12] | wagnerrp: | that one's OUTTA HERE |
| [05:05:17] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
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| [05:06:11] | wagnerrp: | man... i just had flashbacks to 'Dinosaurs' |
| [05:06:14] | ** kormoc wonders who that not_lindoro is, he seemed familar... ** | |
| [05:06:15] | wagnerrp: | not_the_momma |
| [05:06:23] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [05:06:26] | kormoc: | that was a great show |
| [05:06:37] | not_lindoro: | HEY I NO CAN CONNECTS TO DURTABURS I SAY QT ERROR NO CONNECT |
| [05:06:42] | Lexridge: | Heck, if they would fire me, they would so screw themselves, not happening. Besides, if they did, it would probably be the best thing that's ever happened to me. lol |
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| [05:06:46] | not_lindoro: | SOMEONE CAN HELP? |
| [05:06:50] | not_lindoro: | HEL:::O? |
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| [05:07:06] | not_lindoro: | anyone??? |
| [05:07:07] | kormoc: | I can haz cheezeburgerz? |
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| [05:07:59] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: if you were a hotdog, would you eat yourself? |
| [05:08:40] | iamlindoro: | Notorious gangster Pizza the hut died this week as he locked himself in his limo and ate himself to death... |
| [05:08:56] | Lexridge: | damn, that's sad!!! I love Pizza the Hut! |
| [05:09:13] | wagnerrp: | you hear theyre changing their name to 'the Hut'? |
| [05:09:26] | iamlindoro: | heh, no |
| [05:09:56] | Lexridge: | they'd get more business if they just called themselves "the slut" |
| [05:10:24] | Lexridge: | I visit, but wouldn't want to eat there. lol |
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| [06:01:43] | jasonmchristos: | hi |
| [06:01:57] | jasonmchristos: | what is the best hardware to run with mythtv |
| [06:03:16] | kormoc: | Why does superman need a mythtv? |
| [06:05:22] | Lexridge: | everyone should need mythtv. |
| [06:05:27] | iamlindoro: | Well that was fun, never managed to crash a myth table so bad that mysqlcheck couldn't fix it before |
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| [06:06:42] | iamlindoro: | The answer to the above question is "my hardware," by the way |
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| [06:07:53] | iamlindoro: | jasonmchristos, surely you must realize what a braindead question that is, right? |
| [06:08:13] | iamlindoro: | (not to mention it cries out that you've done no research of your own and are looking for someone to give you a shopping list) |
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| [06:11:04] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, abqjp (never sure which to highlight): I like the idea of your new patch, hope it gets applied quickly, makes more sense that way |
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| [06:12:03] | abqjp: | iamlindoro, heh, one is my laptop, the other is myth mythbackend, so.... |
| [06:12:51] | iamlindoro: | I'll be a few weeks without an HD-PVR but I'm out of town next week so it shouldn't hurt too bad |
| [06:13:24] | mazda01: | anyone use myth2xbmc? |
| [06:14:03] | iamlindoro: | You'll need to seek help for that in an XBMC channel, it's off topic here |
| [06:14:27] | abqjp: | I am working on moving channel changes to their own thread. danielk can't use the HD-PVR signal monitor because is channel changes take over 15 seconds! So, moving the channel change to it's own thread will then allow that to become part of the signal monitor process. |
| [06:14:41] | mazda01: | iamlindoro, i am trying there. they suggest one solution that I have already tried. it's a darn database connection problem again. |
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| [06:16:25] | mazda01: | iamlindoro, it's so WEIRD. i already have myth2xbmc working on 1 xbox. i installed the same XBMC and the same myth2xbmc, settings and configs to the other xbox. Then I added the ip address for the second xbox to be able to access mythconverg but still I get connection errors |
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| [06:16:56] | iamlindoro: | mazda01, I understand, but by request of both their devs (who asked that we send people to their channel with XBMC questions) and ours, it's not on-topic here |
| [06:17:06] | iamlindoro: | And talking about it longer won't change that |
| [06:17:33] | iamlindoro: | another possible route for support is contacting the script's author |
| [06:17:52] | mazda01: | iamlindoro, ok. |
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| [06:18:26] | iamlindoro: | Their forums sem quite active as well, that might be another good place |
| [06:18:28] | iamlindoro: | er seem |
| [06:18:35] | mazda01: | iamlindoro, is there a mythtv frontend made for a Powerbook G4? |
| [06:18:52] | iamlindoro: | you could run the Mac OS frontend, or run linux on the G4 and compile myth natively |
| [06:19:12] | wagnerrp: | looks like you scared jason away |
| [06:19:13] | iamlindoro: | though the G4 will probably only ever manage SD playbak |
| [06:19:16] | iamlindoro: | back |
| [06:19:25] | iamlindoro: | guess so |
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| [06:19:43] | wagnerrp: | either that, or hes one of those people that asks a question and then leaves |
| [06:20:07] | iamlindoro: | eats\ shoots and leaves? |
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| [07:10:52] | mazda01: | can anyone provide me a screenshot of phpmyadmin mysql privileges for the mysql page as well as the mythconverg page? I have so many users and hosts in my privileges that I think this may be causing the problem. I tried to run mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -pqWDt7YiQ mythconverg and I get that darn error: mysqlcheck: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect. BUT I can enter m |
| [07:10:52] | mazda01: | ysql -umythtv -pqWDt7YiQ mythconverg and get in fine. Why is this? |
| [07:15:42] | mazda01: | i never know whaat syntax is ok for adding users? is it grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"localhost" identified by "qWDt7YiQ";? Do I use quotes? do I use single quote? do I not use any? |
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| [07:38:40] | RyeBrye: | interesting a silicondust guy just commented on the hdhr multirec patches: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6138#comment:19 |
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| [07:52:46] | wombo: | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzM0NA |
| [07:53:10] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: not that surprising, i imagine mythtv users are a significant percentage of their owner base |
| [07:53:19] | wombo: | Leaked Nvidia 190.XX driver. improved VDPAU compatibility detection |
| [07:54:02] | wagnerrp: | im more interested about the OpenCL stuff |
| [07:55:13] | wagnerrp: | i think the biggest issue with current GPGPU adoption is that youre stuck in one product line |
| [07:55:24] | wombo: | yeah exactly |
| [07:55:55] | wagnerrp: | sure, youll have to tweek your implementations to get the best performance out of different architectures |
| [07:55:59] | wombo: | I will always buy something that supports standards, even if it is slightly slower |
| [07:56:08] | wagnerrp: | but tweaking code is a lot different than writing whole new languages |
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| [08:14:53] | AndyCap: | how long before someone comes in here with 190, myth 0.21 and a bucket of bugs? |
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| [08:19:42] | wombo: | haha |
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| [10:07:48] | juski: | pfft what is it with people asking for minimum HW recommendations on the ML? eejits |
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| [11:02:31] | gravisan: | hi all |
| [11:02:44] | gravisan: | i am having trouble with mythcontrols |
| [11:03:03] | gravisan: | when I set a key that has any modifiers in it ... it just puts a square block there |
| [11:03:17] | gravisan: | for e.g. is the key is ctrl-e ... it'll put CTRL+ [] |
| [11:03:30] | gravisan: | i cannot figure out why....i've checked with xev |
| [11:03:38] | gravisan: | and i get the correct key code / keysyms |
| [11:06:36] | juski: | sounds like your font is missing symbols :) |
| [11:07:07] | juski: | though I thought that it actually spelled out modifiers, e.g. 'CTRL' |
| [11:07:33] | juski: | ah |
| [11:07:55] | juski: | still sounds like a font snafu |
| [11:09:26] | gravisan: | hmm |
| [11:09:36] | gravisan: | i set "2" in jumppoints (mainmenu) |
| [11:09:37] | juski: | let me have a try here |
| [11:09:38] | gravisan: | and it works |
| [11:10:08] | gravisan: | but when I click this remote button .. mapped to ctrl+<something> |
| [11:10:11] | gravisan: | it doesn't |
| [11:10:14] | gravisan: | ok |
| [11:10:21] | juski: | oh yeah it's showing the square symbol here too |
| [11:11:07] | juski: | only seems to affect alphabet characters though |
| [11:11:21] | juski: | F keys & numbers work fine |
| [11:11:39] | juski: | well done, you found a bug nobody has reported yet :) |
| [11:11:58] | gravisan: | oh wow :) |
| [11:12:12] | juski: | though it might already be fixed in trunk, when mythcontrols was ported to mythui |
| [11:12:36] | gravisan: | ok ... the strange thing is .. typing ctrl+e on the key board works .. but when i do it from this cheapo MCE remote (that emulates a keyboard) |
| [11:12:49] | gravisan: | it comes up with the broken [] |
| [11:12:53] | juski: | well, I think all that's wrong is the _displaying_ of the character |
| [11:13:22] | gravisan: | juski: hmm ... i think its a bit more, because the binding doesn't work |
| [11:13:25] | juski: | looks like it's being stored correctly, just it's not stripping the non-printing part of the character off |
| [11:13:35] | juski: | really? hmmm |
| [11:13:39] | gravisan: | i am going to see what it says in the database |
| [11:13:41] | gravisan: | yea... :( |
| [11:14:36] | juski: | anyway, seems like you see the square character because it's a non-printing character |
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| [11:15:08] | juski: | I assigned my jump points using F keys :) |
| [11:15:54] | ** juski searches svn.mythtv.org for these symptoms... ** | |
| [11:16:36] | gravisan: | juski: i don't have a choice with this crap remote :( |
| [11:16:53] | gravisan: | unless i can figure out how to map ctrl+<key> to f<n> |
| [11:17:45] | juski: | course you have a choice. you can change the key it's bound to in the lircrc file :) |
| [11:18:33] | gravisan: | ah but i am using it straight through |
| [11:18:53] | gravisan: | it emulates an usb keyboard |
| [11:18:53] | juski: | eew |
| [11:18:53] | juski: | I see |
| [11:18:53] | juski: | xmodmap ftw :) |
| [11:19:19] | gravisan: | it is in the database as " Ctrl+? " |
| [11:19:28] | juski: | I dunno |
| [11:19:38] | juski: | I never advise anybody to mangle the database manually |
| [11:19:43] | gravisan: | xmodmap is mystery to me... |
| [11:20:22] | juski: | it's pretty easy |
| [11:20:22] | gravisan: | for e.g. wtf is the format after the equals part , xmodmap -e "keycode <n> = |
| [11:20:41] | gravisan: | juski: i know what i am doing ;) j/k |
| [11:20:49] | gravisan: | (i work on postgres databases all day) |
| [11:21:08] | juski: | heh |
| [11:21:25] | juski: | on your own head be it :) But make a backup first |
| [11:21:45] | juski: | right. I need to scoot into Warrington to get some things. Wife's birthday tomorrow |
| [11:22:32] | gravisan: | have fun |
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| [11:30:49] | gravisan: | i'm almost crying ... this is so trivial but i can't make it work |
| [11:32:25] | ** laga hands some tissues to gravisan ** | |
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| [11:37:02] | gravisan: | zomg |
| [11:37:06] | gravisan: | i got it working somewhat |
| [11:37:20] | gravisan: | by writing the value 'Ctrl+e' directly into the database |
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| [11:41:32] | gravisan: | hmm |
| [11:42:02] | gravisan: | where abouts are jumppoints stored? |
| [11:42:11] | gravisan: | i can't seem to find them in the db |
| [11:50:46] | mazda01: | i want to delete a signle channel from one of my lineups. mythtweb merely shows them as source 1 and source 2. how can I find out with source is digital and which source is analog? |
| [11:51:10] | gbee: | You could name the sources in mythtv-setup |
| [11:52:44] | mazda01: | gbee, they are named. digital and analog. in mythweb channel_settings or whatever screen it is, it only says source 1 and source 2 though. |
| [11:53:38] | mazda01: | gbee, phpmyadmin doesn't show which source number is which source name either? |
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| [12:04:20] | mazda01: | i hope the first source I created was the source labeled 1 in mythweb. I deleted the bad channel from that lineup so now my 1st tuner can't even try to record on that channel and it'll be recorded on 1 of the other 2 tuners that use linueup labled as #2. |
| [12:05:55] | gravisan: | ah interesting |
| [12:06:02] | gravisan: | jumppoints are stored seperately |
| [12:09:52] | GreyFoxx: | seperate from what ? |
| [12:10:01] | gravisan: | from the normal keybindings |
| [12:10:06] | GreyFoxx: | Ahhh |
| [12:10:24] | gravisan: | i'd have thought they'd just be a different context within keybindings |
| [12:10:28] | GreyFoxx: | I always use mythweb to edit my jumppoints, never had to look for them in the database. |
| [12:10:30] | GreyFoxx: | same here |
| [12:10:38] | GreyFoxx: | Wonder why |
| [12:11:28] | gravisan: | i guess the sematics for keybindings.action are too strict |
| [12:11:43] | gravisan: | so you can't make an action like "GOTO Main Menu" |
| [12:12:12] | gravisan: | seems wierd |
| [12:12:31] | gravisan: | i mean they could have just put anything in the action with the context = "jumppoint" |
| [12:12:32] | gravisan: | anyway |
| [12:12:35] | gravisan: | minor detail |
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| [12:24:29] | gravisan: | ... can anyone point me to how mythfrontend receives an xevent for a keypress and matches that against defined bind tables? |
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| [12:24:53] | gravisan: | i can see it is loaded in class KeyBindings: |
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| [12:56:41] | juski: | bah. Warrington was a waste of time. Means I have to visit the abominable Trafford Centre after work :-\ |
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| [12:57:57] | juski: | gravisan: surprisingly, jump points are held in the 'jumppoints' table :-P |
| [12:58:15] | juski: | but again, I reiterate the statement that direct DB mangling is *naughty* ;-) |
| [12:59:45] | juski: | and in theory it'd be simple to store jump points in the keybindings table but it'd need a bump of the db schema version & you'd have to change a lot of code. All easy changes but lots of them! |
| [13:00:52] | juski: | what kind of remote receiver emulates a keyboard device anyway? Can lirc not just work (tm) with it? |
| [13:01:49] | juski: | bored, so I'll dig in the source & see if I can find anything obvious that might point to why CTRL+ alpha keys don't work |
| [13:02:29] | gravisan: | i haven't tried lirc |
| [13:02:37] | gravisan: | i was hoping to 'get' away with this |
| [13:02:50] | juski: | might not even be an issue now mythcontrols is no longer a plugin – i.e. it's been built into mythfrontend for a while now |
| [13:02:56] | sphery: | Ctrl+alpha does work |
| [13:03:05] | gravisan: | juski: i was able to get it working by mashing the db with 'ctrl+e' or something like that |
| [13:03:11] | sphery: | I use Ctrl-Y and Ctrl-C and several others |
| [13:03:17] | sphery: | (with 0.21-fixes, though) |
| [13:03:23] | gravisan: | oh |
| [13:03:26] | gravisan: | i have the ubuntu versions |
| [13:03:31] | gravisan: | i'll check what they are |
| [13:03:31] | juski: | sphery: when I tried CTRL + a, I saw what gravisan described |
| [13:03:45] | juski: | I dunno if it was stored correctly, I'll check |
| [13:03:45] | sphery: | how long ago was the description? |
| [13:04:06] | gravisan: | juski: it stored ctrl+? for me in the db as well :o |
| [13:04:25] | juski: | sphery: when trying to define a jump point, CTRL + alpha keypresses appear as CTRL+ then a square (nonprinting I suspect) character glyph |
| [13:04:31] | sphery: | found it |
| [13:04:48] | gravisan: | mythcontrols 0.21.0+fixes19556–0ubuntu8, mythtv-frontend 0.21.0+fixes19961–0ubuntu8 |
| [13:05:00] | sphery: | hmmm... it worked for me |
| [13:05:05] | sphery: | but I defined them using a real keyboard |
| [13:05:22] | sphery: | MythControls generally doesn't do the right thing when you use a remote of any kind for defining keys |
| [13:05:24] | juski: | I was doing it with a real keyboard too |
| [13:05:51] | sphery: | I'll test again tonight, but it should still work--nothing has changed in that area. |
| [13:05:55] | gravisan: | phew thank god at least you can see it juski :) ... or people will think i was crazy |
| [13:06:49] | juski: | I'll take a screenshot |
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| [13:08:10] | gravisan: | this is really hacky, but how does the keylist get interpreted? |
| [13:08:36] | gravisan: | ctrl isn't a xsym of any kind |
| [13:08:55] | juski: | qt handles that stuff |
| [13:09:27] | gravisan: | because i am trying to hax my "Alt+Super+Return" (home key) to do something, but putting in the string "Alt+Super+Return" doesn't do uch |
| [13:09:28] | gravisan: | oh |
| [13:11:00] | juski: | m_label->setText(tr("Add key '%1'?").arg(key_name)); |
| [13:11:10] | juski: | maybe it's a qt issue then |
| [13:11:50] | juski: | http://yfrog.com/eacontrolsnj is what it says for me pressing CTRL and 'a' |
| [13:12:08] | juski: | key_name = modifiers + key_name; |
| [13:12:13] | sphery: | it's a Qt key name |
| [13:12:24] | juski: | so, key_name is getting messed up somehow |
| [13:13:01] | juski: | but it comes out of QString key_name = QString(QKeySequence(e->key())); so I reckon it's a qt issue |
| [13:13:27] | sphery: | http://doc.qtsoftware.com/3.3/qt.html#Key-enum |
| [13:13:38] | clever: | mod the code to log the character to stdout, along with the ascii value of it |
| [13:13:42] | juski: | wonder what versions of qt we have then... |
| [13:14:01] | clever: | maybe its just a + 128 or something, ive seen that when inspecting ctrl+key in console apps |
| [13:14:39] | sphery: | basically, whatever's after Key_ in the table I linked |
| [13:14:46] | sphery: | and /only/ those defined keys are usable |
| [13:15:01] | clever: | yeah you could use that too, but the code would feel a little more bloated |
| [13:15:09] | clever: | checking every single item in the enum |
| [13:15:10] | sphery: | that's the current code |
| [13:15:20] | sphery: | no, Qt interprets the keys |
| [13:15:20] | juski: | so only upper case CTRL alphabet ? |
| [13:15:30] | sphery: | it's all case insensitvie |
| [13:15:41] | sphery: | (the alpha part, at least) |
| [13:15:51] | gravisan: | the casing would be dependant on modifiers wouldn't it? |
| [13:15:53] | juski: | well, something is munging the alpha chars here |
| [13:15:57] | sphery: | no |
| [13:16:10] | sphery: | it's all changed to the upper or lower regardless |
| [13:16:19] | juski: | since key_name is coming from qt's key reading |
| [13:16:23] | gravisan: | ah ok |
| [13:16:26] | sphery: | but it's a /sequence/, so if Shift is in there, you use shift |
| [13:16:35] | juski: | & ending up as garbage – the square character thingy |
| [13:17:14] | juski: | oh wait. if I do SHIFT CTRL + a it works |
| [13:17:33] | juski: | uh? now CTRL + A is working |
| [13:17:39] | sphery: | I don't know for a fact that SUPER_L would work--the 2-part name part |
| [13:17:39] | clever: | :S |
| [13:18:11] | juski: | wtf? I've not changed anything since I took that screenshot & now it's working |
| [13:18:42] | sphery: | it only works once you understand the code |
| [13:18:47] | sphery: | even if you did things right before |
| [13:18:48] | sphery: | :) |
| [13:18:55] | juski: | lol |
| [13:19:13] | gravisan: | them gremlins |
| [13:19:31] | juski: | anyway by the look of the mythcontrols code, if there IS a problem it's with qt |
| [13:19:54] | juski: | oh wait |
| [13:20:03] | gravisan: | heh ... ? |
| [13:20:08] | sphery: | yeah, it relies heavily on qt |
| [13:20:50] | juski: | aha! if you release CTRL slightly too early, it messes up |
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| [13:21:15] | sphery: | like before releasing the other key/ |
| [13:21:23] | juski: | so gravisan you can get round the problem by using a real keyboard |
| [13:21:36] | juski: | (to enter the keybindings/jump points) |
| [13:21:38] | gravisan: | ah ... yes it works with a real KB fine |
| [13:21:45] | gravisan: | ah good idea :) |
| [13:22:00] | gravisan: | i was going to hack the DB ... cuz i just want to play with it now heh |
| [13:22:21] | gravisan: | thanks for looking into it everyone |
| [13:22:38] | juski: | looks like a symptom of how qt deals with keypresses & your remote receiver is prolly sending the key modifier release too early |
| [13:22:38] | sphery: | or, as juski suggested before, use a real remote-control capability of your remote (LIRC) and don't use the "we, the kernel module devs, decree that all users /must/ use the stupid key codes we assign to those remote buttons /and/ must edit /every/ application's keybindings to use them." |
| [13:23:00] | juski: | anyhow, an interesting problem for a change :D |
| [13:23:19] | gravisan: | sphery: ... can I use lirc with a er ... non infrared thingy |
| [13:23:19] | juski: | and some of us now understand mythtv a little better ;-) |
| [13:23:36] | juski: | gravisan: yeah it's not just for IR remotes ya know |
| [13:23:37] | gravisan: | juski: so do you think its a bug in the way qt processes keys |
| [13:23:39] | sphery: | I'm using it with an ATI Remote Wonder, RF remote |
| [13:23:45] | gravisan: | oh |
| [13:23:47] | sphery: | as long as there's a LIRC driver, you can use it |
| [13:23:57] | juski: | gravisan: maybe not a bug |
| [13:23:57] | gravisan: | i think i'll use lirc, more contol |
| [13:24:02] | sphery: | if no driver, you could write one :) |
| [13:24:14] | gravisan: | as it is ... this xmodmap thing is hidous, i'd rather maybe use lirc |
| [13:24:23] | juski: | I found xmodmap a piece of cake |
| [13:24:24] | gravisan: | sphery: i accept the challenge :D |
| [13:24:32] | juski: | but I remember the documentation was crap |
| [13:24:42] | sphery: | yeah, LIRC is better because you can assign all the per-application stuff in your lircrc instead of redefining each app's keybindings |
| [13:24:47] | AndyCap: | lirc has a input driver that you could you I guess |
| [13:25:10] | juski: | I had a t-online S100 box whose remote was basically a PS2 keyboard & it used ridiculous codes |
| [13:25:31] | juski: | I don't think I still have the .Xmodmap file anymore |
| [13:25:31] | AndyCap: | dev/input I guess it's called |
| [13:25:35] | gravisan: | lirc it is |
| [13:25:49] | sphery: | and, remapping keys with xmodmap may affect your real keyboard, too (depending on key codes you map) |
| [13:26:09] | juski: | doesn't matter so much if you don't have a real keyboard ;) |
| [13:26:19] | sphery: | true |
| [13:26:22] | gravisan: | juski: ... xmodmap -e "keycode n = a b c d" , i understand what a b are .. but what the heck goes after that? |
| [13:26:32] | juski: | gravisan: can't remember |
| [13:26:40] | gravisan: | ah n/ |
| [13:26:42] | gravisan: | n/w5 |
| [13:26:53] | juski: | I used xev to find out what the codes were first of all, I remember that much |
| [13:27:03] | gravisan: | oops, i mapped my shift 8 to 5 to try xmodmap lol |
| [13:27:48] | juski: | hmm reading source code has kinda reignited my desire to fettle some popup menus |
| [13:28:06] | juski: | I really should get around to that or I won't want to use 0.22 |
| [13:28:18] | sphery: | gravisan: a, b, c, and d (and e, f, g, h) are all keysyms... You can map up to 8 (though the last 4 are ignored by most (all?) X servers) |
| [13:28:21] | juski: | I've lived with minor annoyances for too long :) |
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| [13:28:30] | CyberKnet: | Now there's a word you don't see every day ... fettle |
| [13:28:40] | gravisan: | sphery: ah ... so what are c and d? |
| [13:29:04] | juski: | CyberKnet: when I change code, it's fettling :-P |
| [13:29:09] | gravisan: | for e.g. b is the keysym to trigger when the natural modifier is pressed |
| [13:29:27] | sphery: | first is no modifier, second is shift, third is mode_switch, and fourth with shift + mode_switch |
| [13:29:29] | CyberKnet: | juski: Oh, no doubt. The usage was impeccable, no criticism there. |
| [13:30:08] | juski: | the physical equivalent of using a large hammer to make something fit into a hole it wasn't designed for :D |
| [13:30:25] | gravisan: | ah ok |
| [13:30:28] | sphery: | mode_switch basically allows you to switch keyboard layouts, TTBOMK |
| [13:30:37] | gravisan: | (/me pulls his hair out!!! why isn't that crap documented anywhere) |
| [13:30:46] | sphery: | documentation is overrated |
| [13:30:50] | juski: | prolly is, in the source |
| [13:31:01] | sphery: | just wait 'til you start playing with LIRC |
| [13:31:07] | CyberKnet: | juski: there's a "that's what she said" somewhere in there... but I do believe I'll leave it right alone. |
| [13:31:38] | gravisan: | sphery: what if you wanted to remap ... say ctrl+a to emit 'e' (for some crazy reason) |
| [13:31:50] | juski: | whoah. I just stumbled upon speakerplans.com :D |
| [13:31:52] | gravisan: | you are scaring me :o |
| [13:31:58] | gravisan: | heh :) |
| [13:32:12] | sphery: | don't know how to do that... I avoid remapping keys like the plague |
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| [13:32:49] | gravisan: | juski: you didn't use the website stumble upon by any chance ;) |
| [13:32:59] | gravisan: | sphery: ok |
| [13:32:59] | sphery: | don't want to start t<F10>pin[ wron[ wor7s |
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| [13:34:29] | gravisan: | i better goto bed |
| [13:34:37] | sphery: | good luck with your lirc |
| [13:34:39] | juski: | gravisan: no, I don't. I see people on there who just stream out URLs I'm not remotely interested in, all day long |
| [13:34:51] | gravisan: | so i can go back to my boring programming job tomorrow (fake enthusiasm) |
| [13:35:07] | CyberKnet: | I'd hate to have a boring programming job. |
| [13:35:19] | CyberKnet: | An interesting programming job, on the other hand... |
| [13:35:20] | CyberKnet: | ;) |
| [13:35:25] | gravisan: | juski: yea ... people even do meta streams on those site :... shudder |
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| [13:35:46] | gravisan: | CyberKnet: ... gah, i'm trying to make it exciting |
| [13:35:51] | gravisan: | i call myself a framework slave |
| [13:35:55] | CyberKnet: | hah |
| [13:36:18] | CyberKnet: | It's always good to be the guy making everyone else's life easier though. |
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| [13:36:36] | CyberKnet: | Unless you create frameworks that have no purpose other than to be followed. But that's just evil :D |
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| [13:37:27] | gravisan: | well the guy that made this framework was a lone coder (almost cowboy-e... not quite) ... so there's hardly any docs ... or even rationale of why it was done the way |
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| [13:37:50] | gravisan: | it's all tcl actually |
| [13:37:56] | CyberKnet: | fun++ |
| [13:38:25] | gravisan: | i should just sit down a whole week (1 week time to read code, i am dreaming :) .. and just doc / fix it up |
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| [13:39:34] | CyberKnet: | gravisan: yeah... management almost never buys off on that though... shame. |
| [13:40:22] | gravisan: | yea.. back to the grind it is tomorrow |
| [13:40:33] | gravisan: | l8er all...thanks again for the input :) |
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| [13:50:08] | jams: | well this can't turn out good, only 40 minutes into the work day and I'm already bored |
| [13:50:41] | Huijari: | my work day is almost over ^_^ |
| [13:50:54] | Huijari: | it's 16:50 here |
| [13:51:29] | jams: | guess it's ok to leave a bit early then |
| [13:57:43] | wombo: | I thought it was nearly bed time |
| [13:58:01] | wombo: | Are you saying I have another 7 hours of work yet its already 10pm? |
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| [15:46:23] | thepeter_sk: | hello |
| [15:48:57] | thepeter_sk: | I was chceking out the docs on web and I didn't find a thing about support for NXP 18271 tuner |
| [15:49:53] | thepeter_sk: | I am going to build the system on Myth TV so I wana be sure I'll have supported HW ;) |
| [15:50:06] | wagnerrp: | i cant believe thats the actual product name |
| [15:51:25] | thepeter_sk: | nope product is gigabyte gt-p8000 |
| [15:52:18] | thepeter_sk: | but that is not so important I guess |
| [15:52:42] | thepeter_sk: | more important is tuner isn't? |
| [15:53:49] | squidly: | can someone do me a favor and tell me what a dig on stats.vdclan.net shows? |
| [15:53:52] | squidly: | thanks |
| [15:54:43] | _bradd_: | ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 871 |
| [15:54:58] | squidly: | thanks |
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| [15:56:35] | thepeter_sk: | ok so probably noone has a clue |
| [15:57:03] | Dibblah: | thepeter_sk: The tuner is not actually all that important, generally. |
| [15:57:12] | Dibblah: | The bridge chip tends to be more difficult. |
| [15:57:55] | thepeter_sk: | mhm okay than |
| [15:58:24] | wagnerrp: | thepeter_sk: check linuxtv.org: see if that product is listed as supported |
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| [16:05:11] | thepeter_sk: | well I found somebody asking for help cause having troble with kernel module in May but no response on that one – from that I guess it is not really good choice |
| [16:06:59] | sphery: | thepeter_sk: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_Devices |
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| [16:08:20] | sphery: | or, for more generic info (i.e. if you wanted the analog side): http://linuxtv.org/wiki/ |
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| [16:10:25] | thepeter_sk: | sphery thanks ;) |
| [16:10:45] | thepeter_sk: | unfortunately gigabyte is not event listed as branch :P |
| [16:11:29] | thepeter_sk: | but anyway this link will help me a lot in decisions :P |
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| [16:14:51] | sphery: | yeah, more useful as a guide for what to buy as opposed to how to make that one work :) |
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| [16:16:01] | thepeter_sk: | exactly :D |
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| [16:16:51] | thepeter_sk: | I guess I missed on net some doc what I should I care for sake of compatibility when building such system |
| [16:17:01] | thepeter_sk: | is there one? |
| [16:17:02] | thepeter_sk: | :D |
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| [16:25:32] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [16:25:58] | Hilikus: | when i start mythnews i see all the items in the list but i'm getting this error |
| [16:25:59] | Hilikus: | MythNews: NewsEngine: failed to set content from xmlfile |
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| [16:26:12] | Hilikus: | and when i try to open the news nothing happens |
| [16:26:39] | Hilikus: | AND, after that, i can never go back to the main mythtv menu, it gets stuck with just the background from my theme and no foreground objects |
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| [16:27:41] | Hilikus: | any ideas how to fix this? |
| [16:27:45] | Hilikus: | or what's the problem |
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| [16:28:34] | wagnerrp: | thepeter_sk: except for some rare cases like the HDHR which myth connects to directly, myth will use any V4l, DVB, or IVTV card listed as supported under linux |
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| [16:30:14] | thepeter_sk: | wagnerrp yop thanks seraching in wiki for something I can reach |
| [16:31:15] | wagnerrp: | WTF... converting the Ares launch system to metric would have cost NASA $370M |
| [16:31:41] | kormoc: | it's slightly more complex then a sed script |
| [16:32:03] | wagnerrp: | well yeah, they have to rework a bit of code to change units too |
| [16:32:36] | wagnerrp: | i guess this issue is that there stuff has to be checked and rechecked multiple times before use |
| [16:32:42] | wagnerrp: | s/there/their/ |
| [16:33:47] | Hilikus: | no one? |
| [16:34:02] | wagnerrp: | but even considering that, 370 sounds extremely excessive |
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| [16:41:14] | thepeter_sk: | in meantime it seems that asus mycinema-p7131 dual is closest one to be compatibile and reachable any sugesstions on this one? |
| [16:41:41] | wagnerrp: | just where are you that more mainstream cards are not 'reachable'? |
| [16:42:08] | thepeter_sk: | means on the shops I am buying :P |
| [16:42:31] | thepeter_sk: | Q is what is manstream and where ... Europe is mine place |
| [16:43:08] | wagnerrp: | T/S/C? |
| [16:43:31] | thepeter_sk: | ??? |
| [16:43:39] | FR^2: | terrestrial, sattelite, cable |
| [16:43:46] | thepeter_sk: | oh |
| [16:43:50] | thepeter_sk: | T |
| [16:43:51] | FR^2: | (oh god, am I that bad in spelling?) |
| [16:45:13] | wagnerrp: | that asus and a MSI card looks to just be rebrandings of a TwinHan card |
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| [16:46:02] | wagnerrp: | thats what i mean by 'mainstream' |
| [16:46:31] | thepeter_sk: | mhm if U say so, odn;t have a reasom not to believe you |
| [16:46:54] | laga: | wat |
| [16:46:59] | thepeter_sk: | don't ^ |
| [16:47:19] | wagnerrp: | ah, no... the MSI card is a clone of a LifeView card |
| [16:47:39] | thepeter_sk: | laga just talk about what means 'mainstream' |
| [16:50:39] | thepeter_sk: | wagnerrp alright I found straight two lifeview cards on the same shop as asus and none of them are in list |
| [16:51:13] | thepeter_sk: | (list of supported devices) |
| [16:51:14] | wagnerrp: | go ahead and buy the asus, it should be fine |
| [16:51:33] | thepeter_sk: | alright :) thx |
| [16:51:37] | wagnerrp: | im just saying asus is not typically thought of as a tuner manufacturer |
| [16:51:49] | wagnerrp: | im surprised you cant find one of the more common brands |
| [16:52:23] | thepeter_sk: | yop thats true :) asus does more less everything by cloning different manufacturers |
| [16:53:20] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt say that about motherboards, and to a lesser extent video |
| [16:53:40] | thepeter_sk: | yeah I just didn't know what are the common ones, btw what else I shall care about for biulding system like that? |
| [16:54:39] | thepeter_sk: | building ^ |
| [16:55:14] | wagnerrp: | frontend? backend? combo? do you have size requirements? what kind of content do you want to play? |
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| [16:55:36] | wagnerrp: | there is no guide to building a mythtv system |
| [16:55:47] | wagnerrp: | but there are suggestions that can be made for a specific role |
| [16:56:04] | thepeter_sk: | :P for playing and recording T signal mostly |
| [16:56:47] | thepeter_sk: | I guest by frontend U mean something to be put into living room – then yes frontend |
| [16:58:25] | thepeter_sk: | about size ... well that comes from ^ that it could be good to look like DVD recorder :D |
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| [17:00:20] | thepeter_sk: | oh gotta go |
| [17:00:30] | thepeter_sk: | later then |
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| [17:42:44] | _bradd_: | themoviedb.org is so slow |
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| [17:46:45] | kormoc: | _bradd_, wanna donate hardware? I'm sure that would help... |
| [17:47:56] | SHADOW_V1: | kormoc_ what hardware will you accept |
| [17:48:11] | wagnerrp: | server grade rackmount hardware |
| [17:48:34] | iamlindoro: | and an upstream connection capable of feeding > 1 MB of images per movie to people |
| [17:48:43] | SHADOW_V1: | oh ok |
| [17:48:44] | SHADOW_V1: | sure |
| [17:48:49] | SHADOW_V1: | how many |
| [17:49:08] | wagnerrp: | eleventy hundred |
| [17:49:27] | iamlindoro: | Really, though, TMDB is damn fast |
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| [17:49:47] | iamlindoro: | you have the details and images in seconds, and you're talking about 110x the amount of data you used to doqnload from IMDB |
| [17:49:48] | wagnerrp: | well their API cache servers are fast |
| [17:49:55] | iamlindoro: | er 100x |
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| [18:04:31] | iamlindoro: | plus, no scrapey scrapey |
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| [18:10:14] | ** Dibblah will never understand how people manage to get lost between #mythtv and #mythtv-users. ** | |
| [18:10:32] | Dibblah: | I mean, they've already typed /quit... How hard is /join? |
| [18:10:56] | kormoc: | actually, regebro did join the channel, just hasn't said anything |
| [18:11:36] | regebro: | kormoc Yeah, I got an idea in the meantime, so I'm gonna try that first. :) |
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| [18:19:00] | Finswimmer: | Hello, my /var partition was full as there the recordings are stored. Is there a way to tell mythtv to always keep 500mb free? |
| [18:19:05] | regebro: | aaaannnnnd for that I need a cable I can't find, so some other day. bye! |
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| [18:24:45] | iamlindoro: | Hrm. Wish google had a sports score API |
| [18:25:04] | Dagmar: | Finswimmer: Yes, it's in the setup menus. |
| [18:25:10] | iamlindoro: | might make a fun Myth Plugin project |
| [18:25:27] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: At least until ESPN drops a bomb on you for it |
| [18:25:48] | ** iamlindoro wonders how "google API" became "ESPN lawsuit" ** | |
| [18:26:07] | Dagmar: | Because that's the way business works now |
| [18:26:20] | Dagmar: | Companies just sue you when you come up with a competing product |
| [18:26:41] | Dagmar: | It's why I can't actually get NOAA data easily, although it's a public service, and paid for with tax dollars. |
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| [18:26:54] | Dagmar: | It would screw with the revenue model of sites like wunderground.com, so it's forbidden. |
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| [18:27:23] | Dagmar: | It's also a handy metric for knowing how well you're doing |
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| [18:29:10] | Finswimmer: | Dagmar: Can you tell me where in mythv-setup? |
| [18:29:30] | Dagmar: | "Somewhere" |
| [18:29:37] | Dagmar: | Make an effort to learn to use the app |
| [18:29:55] | gbee: | General settings most likely |
| [18:30:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | TV Settings -> General -> 2nd Page – "Extra Disk Space" --- would be best to setup a seperate disk or partition for your recordings though... |
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| [18:32:54] | Finswimmer: | J-e-f-f-A: Thanks. But I have 3 directorys where the recordings are stored. /var/lib/mythvt/recordings now ran out of space though the other directorys are free. |
| [18:33:11] | Finswimmer: | Therefore I need a way to limit it only for /var/ |
| [18:33:35] | kormoc: | there isn't a way |
| [18:33:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | Finswimmer: I don't think you can do that.... |
| [18:33:52] | Finswimmer: | Hmm. I expected that. |
| [18:34:05] | Dagmar: | Recordings should be on their own filesystem |
| [18:34:15] | Finswimmer: | So I need to move everything from /var to other partitions. |
| [18:34:18] | stefanj: | Recently my backend lost the recording schedules and refused to record anything. Looking into it I found a field had been dropped from the capturecard table. Added back the field and everything back up. Any ideas to why this might have happened. |
| [18:34:43] | kormoc: | if the table was corrupt and you just repaired it without checking things... |
| [18:35:44] | Dagmar: | fun! |
| [18:35:58] | ** iamlindoro is a big fan of optimize_mythdb.pl ** | |
| [18:36:19] | ** J-e-f-f-A runs it in a cron job daily. ;-) ** | |
| [18:36:20] | ** jams is a bigger fan of optimize_mythdb.py ** | |
| [18:36:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ that too, oops, I mean instead... |
| [18:36:50] | stefanj: | it has been runing for about three years, this is the first problem I have had with the database |
| [18:37:06] | Finswimmer: | If I now remove the /var/ directoy from Default storage group. Can I access the recordings? |
| [18:37:13] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [18:37:16] | iamlindoro: | jams, I tend to only recommend scripts people actually *have* :) |
| [18:37:32] | jams: | hehe i guess that one isn't in the wild yet |
| [18:37:40] | jams: | but it works well here |
| [18:38:15] | jams: | well i suppose some have, they just don't know it |
| [18:38:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | OOps, yeah, I'm with iamlindoro here... .pl.. ;-) |
| [18:38:30] | ** J-e-f-f-A does a locate... ** | |
| [18:38:30] | ** iamlindoro grumbles about people doubting him ** | |
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| [18:40:14] | jams: | i rewrote it cause the .pl script needed to use the bindings which needed a perl module which needed a module which needed module which needed a module... |
| [18:40:25] | kormoc: | welcome to perl! |
| [18:40:55] | jams: | got that right |
| [18:41:12] | iamlindoro: | whereas the python scripts was: |
| [18:41:17] | iamlindoro: | import fixdatabases |
| [18:41:20] | iamlindoro: | import mythtv |
| [18:41:25] | iamlindoro: | fix mythdatabases |
| [18:41:29] | iamlindoro: | the end! |
| [18:41:31] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [18:41:37] | stefanj: | I love Pearl, but getting tempted with Python |
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| [18:41:39] | jams: | your not to far off |
| [18:41:44] | kormoc: | nah, the spacing is way off |
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| [18:42:37] | stefanj: | tempted by the fruit of another! |
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| [19:23:47] | ** iamlindoro reminds strangers NOT to PM him ** | |
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| [19:24:12] | iamlindoro: | especially about questions asked 12 hours ago |
| [19:24:30] | iamlindoro: | And which they had ample opportunity to discuss in channel |
| [19:27:12] | squidly: | iamlindoro: come one.. it cant be that bad.. ;) |
| [19:27:16] | ** squidly ducks ** | |
| [19:27:29] | ** iamlindoro reloads ** | |
| [19:27:44] | laga: | ka-ching |
| [19:30:00] | ** kormoc adds 'For the fastest level of service, pm iamlindoro' to the wiki ** | |
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| [19:30:21] | iamlindoro: | I'll happily provide live or PM service... |
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| [19:30:27] | iamlindoro: | for a nominal fee |
| [19:30:52] | iamlindoro: | In the channel, the cost of free service is enduring my sarcasm, though :) |
| [19:30:57] | ** kormoc wonders if you can redirect a channel to a user... ** | |
| [19:31:01] | iamlindoro: | A fair trade, I think :) |
| [19:31:05] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [19:31:38] | iamlindoro: | for x in #mythtv-users; do cat $x > /msg iamlindoro; done |
| [19:32:15] | iamlindoro: | or rather do /msg iamlindo $x |
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| [19:36:56] | _bradd_: | anyone know how long after you've added a movie to tmdb before it will show up in a tmdb.pl -M search? |
| [19:37:24] | Dagmar: | Days |
| [19:37:36] | _bradd_: | really? |
| [19:37:43] | Dagmar: | Wait and see |
| [19:38:24] | iamlindoro: | the site is synced to the API every four hours |
| [19:38:30] | gbee: | _bradd_: a few hours |
| [19:38:40] | _bradd_: | thanks |
| [19:39:13] | gbee: | the site uses a bunch of caching to keep the load down |
| [19:39:47] | _bradd_: | cool |
| [19:52:39] | kormoc: | So my FIOS was just upgraded, 20x5 is now 25x15 |
| [19:53:16] | _bradd_: | ive got the 20x20..wonder if they upgraded me |
| [19:53:48] | kormoc: | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/ . . . -uploads.ars |
| [20:04:58] | gbee: | upstream sucks in the UK |
| [20:05:31] | SHADOW_V: | hows download |
| [20:05:53] | SHADOW_V: | also arent download caps normal in the uk |
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| [20:19:23] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/browse.png |
| [20:19:27] | iamlindoro: | new browse view on Graphite |
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| [20:20:35] | SHADOW_V: | good stuff |
| [20:20:53] | SHADOW_V: | whoa what happened to your 1080p |
| [20:20:54] | iamlindoro: | thanks |
| [20:21:07] | iamlindoro: | I work on the upstairs system |
| [20:21:12] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok |
| [20:21:12] | iamlindoro: | the 1080p display is downstairs |
| [20:21:32] | iamlindoro: | not comfy to develop in front of the projection screen, and would need a wireless keyboard anyway |
| [20:21:38] | SHADOW_V: | i am out ofr now |
| [20:21:43] | SHADOW_V: | for* |
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| [20:25:39] | ** iamlindoro thinks this screen would dearly love some smoothly scrolling lists ** | |
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| [20:26:17] | iamlindoro: | gbee, what if I promise to buy you an entire case of your favorite beer if smooth scrolling buttonlists makes .22? 100% serious. :) |
| [20:26:25] | iamlindoro: | make |
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| [20:36:39] | deeemac: | does anyone know how to communicate to mythtv through netcat (nc) command line or if it is possible? It never gives me an option to enter the protocol commands |
| [20:36:58] | kormoc: | you have to be really really really fast at typing... |
| [20:37:09] | deeemac: | lol |
| [20:38:09] | meshe: | it's not expecting a person to be sending commands so it's not going to give you a prompt |
| [20:38:26] | kormoc: | I'm serous, there is a rapid timeout if you don't announce yourself fast enough |
| [20:38:43] | meshe: | ahh |
| [20:39:08] | deeemac: | can you send a command with the initial connection? when you do nc ip port it just goes to the next line and never connects or antying have to cancel out of it |
| [20:39:22] | kormoc: | erm |
| [20:39:25] | kormoc: | that is connected likely |
| [20:39:38] | kormoc: | as meshe said, there's no prompt saying welcome or what not |
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| [20:39:53] | iamlindoro: | Whatever this is sounds ill advised |
| [20:41:05] | deeemac: | oh wait nevermind it works lol |
| [20:41:14] | deeemac: | the next line was waiting for a command |
| [20:41:16] | meshe: | you probably want to check out the perl/python bindings to see how they deal with the protocol (that is if you don't want to dig into the cpp code |
| [20:41:37] | deeemac: | nc 127.0.0.1 6543 |
| [20:41:37] | deeemac: | 21 MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 40 |
| [20:41:37] | deeemac: | 13 ACCEPT[]:[]40 |
| [20:41:42] | deeemac: | got a accepted response |
| [20:41:58] | ** kormoc eyes deeemac with his fingers on the op button ** | |
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| [20:42:27] | sphery: | Wow... My new 45W TDP CPU system replacing my old Sempron system (with crazy loud CPU fan) in the living room is /very/ quiet. Now, the refrigerator in the kitchen is the loudest thing I hear when in the living room. |
| [20:42:31] | deeemac: | ? |
| [20:42:48] | kormoc: | deeemac, you should read the channel FAQ... |
| [20:42:49] | meshe: | deeemac: no pasting |
| [20:43:08] | deeemac: | oh, my bad |
| [20:43:20] | sphery: | If not for the incomprehensible names used for specifying the pins on the front-panel audio header, I'd have all the functionality I did before, but quiet. |
| [20:43:21] | iamlindoro: | I struggle to think of a scenarion where netcatting mythproto commands would be a good way to do it |
| [20:44:04] | kormoc: | I'd say it's very certain not to be a good way to do it |
| [20:44:05] | sphery: | deeemac: why not use the perl bindings |
| [20:44:22] | iamlindoro: | versus using the bindings, that is-- and if the binding don't do what you want, improving them is *extremely* welcome |
| [20:44:36] | sphery: | well, the triangular wheel has many benefits, so I didn't want to stick with the round ones |
| [20:44:51] | iamlindoro: | sphery, doesn't roll backwards down a hill? |
| [20:44:52] | deeemac: | I could play with the perl bindings, was just looking for a way to communicate through the command line |
| [20:44:52] | sphery: | and, since the bindings have a generic backend_command function |
| [20:44:55] | ** kormoc patents the triangular wheel ** | |
| [20:45:04] | sphery: | you can do /anything/ you need to do with the bindings |
| [20:45:26] | sphery: | (though you can also /improve/ them by putting your post-command processing into the bindings rather than doing it in your script) |
| [20:45:45] | kormoc: | deeemac, but why? it's a complex set of hoops to do anything worthwhile... command line interaction seems worthless... |
| [20:45:55] | sphery: | deeemac: the bindings are only a script away from the command line |
| [20:46:46] | ** sphery wonders if deemac uses imtest to read his mail ** | |
| [20:46:53] | kormoc: | nah, nc for that too! |
| [20:46:57] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:46:59] | deeemac: | kormoc just making some custom stuff for myth, looking for a good way to communicate through command line |
| [20:47:01] | deeemac: | lol |
| [20:47:04] | sphery: | yeah, guess imtest makes it way too easy |
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| [20:47:25] | meshe: | telnet is the best for mail and irc |
| [20:47:38] | kormoc: | heck, it'd be better to just write bash bindings for myth rather then using netcat by hand... |
| [20:47:50] | sphery: | bash bindings... heh. |
| [20:47:58] | kormoc: | at least bash gives you programmatic access to the tcp stream.... |
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| [20:48:20] | sphery: | though, really, we should probably make them as sh-portable as possible. Then we'll just need sh bindings and csh bindings |
| [20:48:28] | kormoc: | heh |
| [20:48:28] | meshe: | ./crash_mythbackend.sh |
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| [20:49:06] | sphery: | meshe: the big problem with telnet for mail is the lack of TLS support |
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| [20:49:30] | meshe: | bah, what's wrong with sending your password unencrypted? |
| [20:49:35] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:49:52] | sphery: | wouldn't that be a "free-pass" word |
| [20:50:00] | sphery: | free pass for anyone to get into your mail |
| [20:50:49] | meshe: | yeah, just run tcpdump on port 25/143 on any hotspot you attach to |
| [20:51:02] | sphery: | So, the more implementations of Intel HDA I see the more I hate it. |
| [20:51:26] | kormoc: | exec 3<> /dev/tcp/backend_ip/port; echo "MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 40" 1>&3; echo 1>&3; while read 0<&3; do echo $REPLY; done |
| [20:53:08] | sphery: | meshe: Yeah, Earthlink uses SMTPAuth, but does /not/ use SSL/TLS, and since 99% of hotspots redirect all port 25 requests to their own mail server, Earthlink users tend to send their Earthlink e-mail credentials to wrong mail servers. Just set up your hotspot mail server to log all the credentials, and you've got yourself a spam network. |
| [20:53:30] | sphery: | at least with SSL/TLS, the client would notice it's not the same server |
| [20:53:54] | sphery: | Of course, then you'd have to teach users to swap between their ISP's and their "open hotspot" SMTP configuration. |
| [20:54:29] | sphery: | kormoc: are you committing that in mythtv/bindings/sh/ ? |
| [20:54:35] | meshe: | there was a perl developer that used to just sniff people's passwords while he was on the perl whirl cruise. He'd drop off a postit note with their password to them later, usually suprising them |
| [20:54:47] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:55:19] | meshe: | sphery: you could also actually authenticate them with their credentials and fill their email client with information about plain text passwords |
| [20:55:36] | sphery: | heh, that would be funny |
| [20:56:03] | sphery: | and if you send from a wifi hotspot--with a mac address spoofing, of course--you could keep it pretty anonymous |
| [20:56:09] | kormoc: | sphery, totally, it's a good start! |
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| [20:56:28] | kormoc: | sphery, well, it'd have to be bash/ as it *is* bash specific |
| [20:56:34] | meshe: | i love the transparent squid proxy that flips all images if your ip matches X, great if you have an open wifi router |
| [20:56:43] | ** iamlindoro wonders when the bash bindings will be finished ** | |
| [20:56:50] | sphery: | oh... too bad. Guess those dash users are out of luck. (ha, ha!) |
| [20:56:54] | iamlindoro: | and more importantly, if I can control the python mythweb with them |
| [20:57:14] | sphery: | meshe: flips images? |
| [20:57:18] | kormoc: | of course, we'll just require all the other bindings to shell to bash to do their stuff, that way all the bindings use a unified binding! |
| [20:57:39] | kormoc: | sphery, http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
| [20:57:40] | meshe: | sphery: http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
| [20:57:45] | meshe: | haha |
| [20:57:48] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:57:50] | sphery: | just found it |
| [20:57:53] | sphery: | funny |
| [20:57:55] | meshe: | it's such a great idea |
| [20:58:26] | sphery: | should mess with the text, too |
| [20:58:49] | meshe: | actually, should run all the images through a caca filter |
| [20:59:03] | sphery: | the blur 4 one looks a lot like what hollywood is trying to do with DRM |
| [20:59:10] | sphery: | ohhh... sweet. |
| [20:59:15] | sphery: | that would be great |
| [20:59:31] | sphery: | getting all ascii art images |
| [20:59:50] | kormoc: | these pages are lightning fast! |
| [21:00:14] | meshe: | hehe |
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| [21:01:11] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, speaking of which... In today's Word of the Day, the first usage example is great: http://www.dictionary.com/wordoftheday/archive/2009/06/24.html |
| [21:01:39] | sphery: | how I long for 1997 |
| [21:01:51] | kormoc: | ha |
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| [21:03:20] | iamlindoro: | why? It's still september 1993 |
| [21:04:27] | ** kormoc sets mode +b on *!*.aol.com ** | |
| [21:05:15] | ** kormoc also buys yahoo stock and setups a buy for google stock in the very far future ** | |
| [21:05:43] | kormoc: | "Trust me! There will be a company named google, buy it all!" |
| [21:06:33] | iamlindoro: | I would never buy software with such a ridiculous name! Now OS/2, that's where it's at! Get me a million more IBM shares! |
| [21:06:58] | iamlindoro: | s/software/stock/ |
| [21:07:09] | iamlindoro: | oh look, I just invented regexp! |
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| [21:07:37] | kormoc: | Whoops, I seem to have killed Ruby before it ever existed... whoops ;) |
| [21:07:51] | laga: | iamlindoro: regular expressions are older than '93 ;) |
| [21:08:00] | iamlindoro: | so's your mom! |
| [21:08:11] | laga: | yes. yes, she is. |
| [21:08:33] | kormoc: | some folks with way too much time on their hands should do a programming language terminator youtubez video |
| [21:08:52] | kormoc: | "I was sent back in time by ruby to kill of ph*SYSTEM ERROR: OUT OF MEMORY*" |
| [21:09:08] | iamlindoro: | The secret is you have to kill him while he's prebuffering |
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| [21:13:36] | darkdrgn2k3: | LOL figured out why evernthying is lagging on my mythbox.. |
| [21:13:48] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [21:13:51] | darkdrgn2k3: | seems its only running at 1800 |
| [21:13:58] | darkdrgn2k3: | LOL how the hell do i get it up to full speed |
| [21:14:09] | Dagmar: | You configure it correctly. |
| [21:14:09] | kormoc: | once again... language... |
| [21:14:19] | darkdrgn2k3: | sorry.. |
| [21:14:31] | kormoc: | and if it's so funny, why not keep it the way it is so you have something to laugh at? |
| [21:14:43] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: *sigh* |
| [21:14:52] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: never fails on irc does it? |
| [21:15:02] | Dagmar: | I think it's better he keep it funny. |
| [21:15:16] | darkdrgn2k3: | :-S of course you do |
| [21:15:28] | Dagmar: | ...because it neatly avoids us having to explain why he's so far off the mark you can't even get GPS reception. |
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| [21:16:35] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k3, well, there is the whole you get what you ask for part of the irc process |
| [21:16:55] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc:oh i know, i join in when i can its fun :-P |
| [21:17:09] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: but sadly i come to you asking how to throttle my cpu back up to speed........ |
| [21:17:20] | meshe: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux disable speedstep |
| [21:17:51] | darkdrgn2k3: | meshe: thats http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+disable+speedstep |
| [21:17:51] | iamlindoro: | Graphite users who were unable to schedule recordings because of the missing (non-MythUI) recording_options screen, this is now fixed, same spot as always |
| [21:18:10] | darkdrgn2k3: | graphite? |
| [21:18:10] | Dagmar: | It's highly doubtful you need to do ANYTHING unless you've already been in there manually telling it to throttle down. |
| [21:18:12] | meshe: | darkdrgn2k3: yeah, that too |
| [21:18:21] | darkdrgn2k3: | meshe :-P |
| [21:18:31] | Dagmar: | ...but on the other hand, actually reading the documentation about the powersaving stuff WILL PROBABLY SOLVE THE REAL PROBLEM. |
| [21:18:37] | darkdrgn2k3: | speedstep.. that would be the word :) |
| [21:18:43] | meshe: | i haven't updated my alias to switch the spaces, copy and paste it into your browser it will work |
| [21:18:44] | kormoc: | only if it's an intel |
| [21:18:49] | kormoc: | but we don't know that |
| [21:19:09] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc:hmm true.. i never told you its AMD |
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| [21:20:21] | meshe: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+disable+PowerNow |
| [21:20:22] | ** kormoc thinks you're doomed then... DOOMED he says! DOOOMMMMEEDDDD! ** | |
| [21:20:25] | meshe: | better? |
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| [21:20:52] | darkdrgn2k3: | meshe: much thanx |
| [21:20:56] | darkdrgn2k3: | and im back to 2200 ... |
| [21:20:59] | meshe: | or |
| [21:21:00] | ** darkdrgn2k3 claps ** | |
| [21:21:04] | Dagmar: | Disabling it is the wrong solution. |
| [21:21:11] | meshe: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+disable+cool'n'quiet |
| [21:21:36] | darkdrgn2k3: | yay |
| [21:21:37] | darkdrgn2k3: | load average: 0.81 |
| [21:21:40] | laga: | meshe: can't you just urlencode the search string using perl? |
| [21:21:41] | darkdrgn2k3: | im below 2 again1 |
| [21:21:51] | meshe: | laga: yeah, i could |
| [21:21:56] | ** kormoc wonders why load average matters ** | |
| [21:22:05] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Because the user has no idea what they're doing |
| [21:22:08] | ** iamlindoro restarins load average jokes ** | |
| [21:22:11] | iamlindoro: | restrains |
| [21:22:19] | Dagmar: | ...which is why I kept hinting that disabling speedstep/powernow/etc was a dumb thing to be doing. |
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| [21:22:35] | Dagmar: | It's the wrong damn solution to the wrong problem. |
| [21:22:42] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dagmar: ok ... why was it a BAD idea? |
| [21:22:46] | Dagmar: | ...which just makes a bigger mess. |
| [21:22:49] | Dagmar: | READ THE DOCS |
| [21:22:52] | meshe: | why hint at why it's the wrong solution and not just hint towards the right solution? |
| [21:23:00] | Dagmar: | I'm not sitting here and explaining how the hell that works over IRC. |
| [21:23:03] | darkdrgn2k3: | meshe: ok whats the RIGTH solution |
| [21:23:07] | Dagmar: | That's a complex system. |
| [21:23:19] | darkdrgn2k3: | fine fine .. docs |
| [21:23:24] | darkdrgn2k3: | can you point me to the docs |
| [21:23:30] | meshe: | darkdrgn2k3: that's was i was asking *shrugs* |
| [21:23:31] | darkdrgn2k3: | (never had problems with cpu scaling before) |
| [21:23:57] | Dagmar: | Yes, I can just about guarantee you that once you actually learn what those powersave modules are doing, you will realize that you never *actually* had a problem, or that you had a different problem than what you thought. |
| [21:24:25] | kormoc: | well really, a load average of 2 isn't a problem on a dual core system, especially if there's io waiting involved... |
| [21:24:34] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dagmar: well lets see. scaled my cpu up to 2200 and my video/audio anomolies disabpeared |
| [21:24:48] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: i dont have a duel core system |
| [21:24:56] | Dagmar: | darkdrgn2k3: Doesn't. Make. Any. Difference. |
| [21:25:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ |
| [21:25:20] | kormoc: | I keep forgetting I'm ahead of the curve... |
| [21:25:27] | darkdrgn2k3: | 2009-06–18 22:18:04.891 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! ? |
| [21:25:33] | darkdrgn2k3: | thats not a cpu issue? |
| [21:25:39] | kormoc: | typically not |
| [21:25:42] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [21:25:46] | Dagmar: | I'm just going to ignore him |
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| [21:26:03] | darkdrgn2k3: | :( |
| [21:26:17] | Dagmar: | ...because he's basically going to keep asking dim questions as if this is somehow going to mean I'm not actually having to type out all this COMPLETELY DOCUMENTED STUFF to him on IRC one line at a time. |
| [21:26:22] | darkdrgn2k3: | ill keep quite :-S |
| [21:26:38] | iamlindoro: | quite what? |
| [21:26:44] | iamlindoro: | quite silent, quite loud? ;) |
| [21:26:52] | ** darkdrgn2k3 keeps his mouth shut ** | |
| [21:26:55] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [21:27:03] | laga: | iamlindoro: cool & quite? |
| [21:27:07] | iamlindoro: | ha |
| [21:27:10] | CyberKnet: | Dagmar: What is MythTV??? |
| [21:27:13] | ** CyberKnet ducks for cover ** | |
| [21:27:20] | Dagmar: | pfft |
| [21:27:21] | ** darkdrgn2k3 rolls his eyes ** | |
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| [21:27:26] | meshe: | can it play tvs? |
| [21:27:32] | CyberKnet: | is it the intarweb? |
| [21:27:33] | ** meshe also ducks ** | |
| [21:27:42] | darkdrgn2k3: | aww common.. im not THAT bad... |
| [21:27:43] | CyberKnet: | or is it more for the intertubes? |
| [21:28:05] | darkdrgn2k3: | CyberKnet: better get the detergent out and clean your computer's pipes!!! |
| [21:28:21] | darkdrgn2k3: | CyberKnet: while your doing that you might as well wind your Real Time clock. |
| [21:28:42] | meshe: | oooh, i had to do that on a myth box |
| [21:28:51] | meshe: | (the mobo battery died) |
| [21:29:05] | Dagmar: | Set up _correctly_ (which is generally the default) those power-saving modules *don't* sacrifice computing power |
| [21:29:18] | ** CoreDump|cf-18 ran out of /dev/random on his server once... ** | |
| [21:29:34] | meshe: | CoreDump|cf-18: that musta been aweful |
| [21:29:35] | ** darkdrgn2k3 puts Power Saving on his To-Read list ** | |
| [21:29:43] | iamlindoro: | What were you doing in /dev/random in the first place? |
| [21:29:44] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [21:29:51] | darkdrgn2k3: | LOL You Random! |
| [21:29:58] | CoreDump|cf-18: | you have no idea... |
| [21:30:18] | darkdrgn2k3: | hey do you think that i can play 1080p movies on my myth box seeing how SD is struggling? |
| [21:30:19] | ** darkdrgn2k3 ducks ** | |
| [21:30:21] | iamlindoro: | I bet you were sitting in there seeding your random number generator like always |
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| [21:30:34] | CoreDump|cf-18: | I always thought "my /dev/random is empty" was one of these jokes |
| [21:31:00] | CoreDump|cf-18: | it isn't |
| [21:31:12] | darkdrgn2k3: | hmmm interesting |
| [21:31:15] | kormoc: | that's why there's /dev/urandom |
| [21:31:27] | jduggan: | heh |
| [21:31:27] | ** CyberKnet watches darkdrgn2k3 get his smack on ** | |
| [21:31:56] | CoreDump|cf-18: | indeed, I had to symlink random tu urandom |
| [21:31:59] | darkdrgn2k3: | LOL yeh.. ok.. anywa enough noobish questions from me |
| [21:32:14] | CyberKnet: | Are you sure you don't want to ask if you can ask a question? |
| [21:32:31] | darkdrgn2k3: | Umm... Can i Ask to ask a question? |
| [21:32:49] | kormoc: | meh, just cat /dev/urandom to /dev/eth0 for awhile, and hope nothing on your network goes down ;) |
| [21:33:06] | laga: | kormoc: /dev/eth0 does not exist |
| [21:33:09] | darkdrgn2k3: | umm ..eth0.. |
| [21:33:13] | darkdrgn2k3: | dam laga beet me :-p |
| [21:33:13] | CyberKnet: | I haven't seen the esr smart questions link thrown at someone in a while |
| [21:33:45] | kormoc: | heh, where ever the raw net socket is |
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| [21:34:29] | meshe: | cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp |
| [21:34:48] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: once i piped chargn into echo on my school's completly unsecure marks containing AIX box :-P |
| [21:35:06] | darkdrgn2k3: | uhh chargen even |
| [21:35:12] | Dagmar: | That's nice. |
| [21:35:19] | Dagmar: | Doesn't do anything but generate load. |
| [21:35:31] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dagmar: from 500 lan computers :) |
| [21:35:38] | Dagmar: | Why don't you prank call 911 from a pay phone for a follow-up |
| [21:35:41] | darkdrgn2k3: | generages ALLOT of laod :-P |
| [21:35:51] | jduggan: | lul |
| [21:35:53] | Dagmar: | darkdrgn2k3: Don't make up things to tell people who KNOW HOW TO HACK. |
| [21:35:54] | kormoc: | meshe, afaik only certain pci devices are used for /dev/random generation |
| [21:36:17] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dagmar: actually im not making it up :-P |
| [21:36:28] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dagmar: we actualyt had an AIX box with all simple services enabled, |
| [21:36:39] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dagmar: the box contained ALL the marks for the whole city... |
| [21:36:54] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dagmar: and the techs didng listen to use cause "we were just kids" |
| [21:37:05] | Dagmar: | Dude, I was hacking before you even knew girls have different "equipment" |
| [21:37:12] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dagmar: probably... |
| [21:37:24] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [21:37:29] | kormoc: | let's stop this train |
| [21:37:38] | ** darkdrgn2k3 agreas ** | |
| [21:37:43] | kormoc: | onto better trains... such as the dc metro commuter ones! |
| [21:37:47] | ** darkdrgn2k3 cant spell ** | |
| [21:37:48] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [21:37:50] | laga: | darkdrgn2k3: can you please try to spell properly? thanks |
| [21:38:09] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: too soon? |
| [21:38:13] | kormoc: | evidently |
| [21:38:19] | CyberKnet: | Maybe next time. |
| [21:38:52] | CyberKnet: | Who wants to ask when 0.22 will be out? That will make for a nice tirade ... |
| [21:39:07] | kormoc: | how about 1.0? |
| [21:39:17] | CyberKnet: | Or better yet, refer to trunk as 0.22 |
| [21:39:28] | darkdrgn2k3: | CyberKnet: actually i just compiled and installed trunk... still a little rought around the edges but all in all its really nice |
| [21:39:30] | CyberKnet: | 1.0 ... wasn't that supposed to come out after 0.9? |
| [21:39:36] | kormoc: | ooh! Let's ask when XBMC will get 0.22 support! |
| [21:39:43] | CyberKnet: | Oooh yes! |
| [21:39:45] | ** iamlindoro wonders when laga became the spelling... erm... fascist ** | |
| [21:39:49] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [21:40:06] | Dagmar: | Whassamatta? Can't spell n-a-z-i? |
| [21:40:12] | CyberKnet: | lol |
| [21:40:17] | kormoc: | godwinned! |
| [21:40:19] | iamlindoro: | no, I just think that a german probably wouldn't appreciate it |
| [21:40:32] | CyberKnet: | Kormoc: No way, there was no comparison made! |
| [21:40:32] | laga: | iamlindoro: i'm just annoyed by it. see, i've been building a state machine for a lexer for a few hours now and i don't need any more syntax errors |
| [21:40:38] | ** kormoc fails ** | |
| [21:40:40] | iamlindoro: | laga, heh |
| [21:41:00] | kormoc: | well, what's sad is how many people I mistake for ESL who just can't/won't type right |
| [21:41:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | ugh... called about FiOS TV just now... price went up $10/month, and the package I was looking at doesn't have any movie channels (ie: Starz and Encore) included like Dish does... I dunno.. |
| [21:41:13] | iamlindoro: | yay public school system! |
| [21:41:34] | CyberKnet: | waht yu meen mitstaake fro ers? |
| [21:41:39] | darkdrgn2k3: | so on a differnt note... iamlindoro hows your skin comming along? |
| [21:41:40] | CyberKnet: | els |
| [21:41:42] | kormoc: | I always thought I was a horrible speller... |
| [21:41:49] | iamlindoro: | darkdrgn2k3, theme, not skin :) |
| [21:41:51] | iamlindoro: | and it's released |
| [21:41:57] | CyberKnet: | what what what? |
| [21:41:58] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/web.png |
| [21:42:01] | th1: | iamlindoro, where are you from if you don't mind saying? |
| [21:42:02] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/browse.png |
| [21:42:02] | kormoc: | his skin still has this odd red color and weird patterns... |
| [21:42:04] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: im sorry Theme |
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| [21:42:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: I think you spell real nice! |
| [21:42:10] | iamlindoro: | etc. |
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| [21:42:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [21:42:19] | thepeter: | hello |
| [21:42:21] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, I'm using my topical cream |
| [21:42:30] | iamlindoro: | th1, The US |
| [21:42:34] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: What? He got some ointment for it, the doctor said it's not contaigious, and it should be gone within a week .... right? |
| [21:42:39] | CyberKnet: | RIGHT? |
| [21:42:45] | iamlindoro: | but you should probably all get tested |
| [21:42:49] | CyberKnet: | gah! |
| [21:42:52] | iamlindoro: | just to be safe |
| [21:43:02] | ** CyberKnet gets his bits checked out for infection ** | |
| [21:43:04] | th1: | iamlindoro, ok, it makes sense :) |
| [21:43:14] | CyberKnet: | You know ... I meant 1's and 0's ... but that looks awfully suspicious. |
| [21:43:17] | iamlindoro: | th1, heh, what makes sense? |
| [21:43:17] | th1: | the tv system is pretty different in US and Europe |
| [21:43:18] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: honestly i cant wait till you release it :-P it looks AWSOME |
| [21:43:27] | thepeter: | still (as this afternoon) I am looking for TV card to buy into frontend I am inteding to build |
| [21:43:27] | th1: | :) |
| [21:43:35] | iamlindoro: | darkdrgn2k3, "<iamlindoro> and it's released" |
| [21:43:39] | darkdrgn2k3: | ooo |
| [21:43:44] | darkdrgn2k3: | sorry missed that. |
| [21:43:46] | iamlindoro: | My theme, she out |
| [21:43:55] | iamlindoro: | release notes and link on the users list |
| [21:43:57] | iamlindoro: | trunk only |
| [21:44:01] | kormoc: | thepeter, tv cards go into backends |
| [21:44:07] | CyberKnet: | is it in trunk, or just runs against trunk? |
| [21:44:15] | iamlindoro: | runs against |
| [21:44:19] | darkdrgn2k3: | CyberKnet: i pulled trunk yesturday and it wasnt there |
| [21:44:23] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, so when you going to port it to 0.19 for the linuxmce folks/ |
| [21:44:35] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, hahaha, we have people who handle that kind of tomfoolery |
| [21:44:39] | darkdrgn2k3: | LMAO @ kormoc |
| [21:44:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: oooh!!! I should get my trunk test box back out... ;-) |
| [21:44:43] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: Which occult group do I need membership in to be part of the inner circle this theme was released to? |
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| [21:44:59] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet, Ye Olde users List? |
| [21:45:10] | CyberKnet: | no wonder |
| [21:45:13] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, it's not worth it ;) |
| [21:45:19] | jduggan: | LUL |
| [21:45:20] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: I heartily agree |
| [21:45:26] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-June/258300.html |
| [21:45:51] | CyberKnet: | I haven't read the users list in many, many years. The S/N ratio just got too much. |
| [21:45:54] | ** darkdrgn2k3 runs off to install it ** | |
| [21:45:59] | thepeter: | leadtek 3100H – it is not listed in supported devices list but I found on wiki that chipsed used is supported |
| [21:46:03] | iamlindoro: | note that it includes a font that you *must* install systemwide for it to work |
| [21:46:05] | CyberKnet: | Is it redundant to write S/N ratio? |
| [21:46:07] | iamlindoro: | properly, anyway |
| [21:46:10] | darkdrgn2k3: | LOL @ S/N comment |
| [21:46:18] | thepeter: | can you somebody advice if there would be som trouble or not? |
| [21:46:52] | iamlindoro: | cp Graphite/*.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype |
| [21:46:54] | iamlindoro: | fc-cache -f |
| [21:46:58] | CyberKnet: | I ran Terra for a few weeks – that was reasonably nice. Hoping Graphite will rise above. |
| [21:46:58] | iamlindoro: | (for reference) |
| [21:47:00] | meshe: | what are you trying to record? DVB-T|S|C ? OTA? |
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| [21:47:32] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet, people seem to like it so far-- it's much better once you start to accumulate fanart for stuff IMO |
| [21:47:35] | kormoc: | So there gbee was on the beach with a graff... oh hi! |
| [21:47:39] | CyberKnet: | "MythUI is the first theme that (hopefully!) has themed all current MythUI converted screens." heh. |
| [21:47:53] | thepeter: | kormoc then what is purpose of frontend ? |
| [21:47:54] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet, Bah, me no english good |
| [21:47:56] | thepeter: | thre |
| [21:48:05] | CyberKnet: | what you say? Somebody set us up the bomb! |
| [21:48:14] | kormoc: | thepeter, the backend records and the frontend plays back |
| [21:48:48] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: re fan art – Only if you use MythVideo / MythMusic, yes? |
| [21:48:51] | ** iamlindoro starts every ZIG ** | |
| [21:48:57] | thepeter: | kormoc oki and having it in one system laying in living room acting like a DVD recorder? |
| [21:48:58] | meshe: | thepeter: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [21:49:08] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet, read the whole message and you'll see there are other places it is used |
| [21:49:13] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: Deploy every zig, not start. |
| [21:49:23] | CyberKnet: | I have to *read*? aaah geez. |
| [21:49:27] | kormoc: | thepeter, you can run the backend and the frontend on the same box, you just will need both pieces |
| [21:49:34] | CyberKnet: | I thought I could stop at the first grammar error. |
| [21:49:36] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet, Your enjoyment will be much higher if you do |
| [21:49:39] | jduggan: | iamlindoro: not that ive even thought about running trunk/.22 but do you have screenshots, id like to see what mythui is going to be capable of =] |
| [21:49:43] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet, And it's "take off every ZIG" ;) |
| [21:49:47] | thepeter: | kormoc |
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| [21:49:51] | thepeter: | kormoc okay |
| [21:50:12] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: just installed it.. yay |
| [21:50:13] | CyberKnet: | oooh. correction fail. |
| [21:50:35] | darkdrgn2k3: | ok sorry if this is a stupid question but why does fanart take like a second to load? |
| [21:50:39] | thepeter: | kormoc so I told it wrong way than ... it in server/client architecture ... anyway that card I am talking about |
| [21:50:47] | iamlindoro: | jduggan, http://www.fecitfacta.com/web.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/browse.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/weather.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/pbb.png |
| [21:51:07] | thepeter: | what could be the problems since chip is supported but I haven't find card? |
| [21:51:07] | iamlindoro: | darkdrgn2k3, Please make sure to read the message from the list carefully, and install the font systemwide as described a moment ago |
| [21:51:20] | darkdrgn2k3: | 10–4 |
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| [21:52:01] | Paladine_: | anyone using an Ion system for mythtv yet? |
| [21:52:13] | iamlindoro: | darkdrgn2k3, It takes a second to load the first time |
| [21:52:14] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: No custom MythWeather weather images? |
| [21:52:19] | jduggan: | wow finally some `bling` =] |
| [21:52:30] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet, I despise mythweather, it was enough of a sacrifice to theme it :) |
| [21:52:49] | CyberKnet: | quitter :P |
| [21:53:14] | iamlindoro: | And you'll never see a Graphite MythArchive either ;) |
| [21:53:40] | meshe: | what about mythphone? |
| [21:53:52] | iamlindoro: | Haha, especially not the now-deceased mythphone :) |
| [21:53:59] | darkdrgn2k3: | oooo eye candy! |
| [21:53:59] | jduggan: | heh |
| [21:53:59] | CyberKnet: | yeah, I've never gotten MythArchive or MythDVD to work correctly. |
| [21:54:18] | iamlindoro: | MythDVD is themedish, but not done |
| [21:54:42] | CyberKnet: | To be clear – I am not blaming MythArchive or MythDVD for that circumstance. |
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| [21:58:06] | ** kormoc yawns ** | |
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| [21:59:30] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: So is the "install this font globally" issue here to stay, or something that will turn into a "leave this font in the theme directory"? |
| [21:59:45] | CyberKnet: | I say issue .. but not like it's a huge problem to install it. |
| [21:59:45] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet, I hope the latter, but for the time being it's the former |
| [22:00:04] | iamlindoro: | There's hope for the latter, anyway, it just hasn't been looked at yet |
| [22:00:07] | CyberKnet: | Hopefully everyone that is installing a theme for MythTV has root access :) |
| [22:00:15] | thepeter: | so the the specs of the card I wana use are Chipset Conexant CX23418 + Intel CE6353 Tuner Xceive Silicon tuner = PCI DVR3100H Hybrid FM LP DVR3100 H |
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| [22:00:28] | thepeter: | that chipset seems supported |
| [22:00:45] | thepeter: | from http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Conexant_CX2341x |
| [22:00:52] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Something I really like in Graphite's browser view is less coverage of fanart. The top half of fanart is usually the most important. Well done, |
| [22:00:55] | CyberKnet: | thepeter: I would suggest you go the opposite direction. Find a card from the wiki that is supported that has the features you are after, rather than finding a card and then seeing if the chipset is supported. |
| [22:01:11] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, thanks, was trying to find a happy medium that could expose a bit more of it |
| [22:01:24] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, and if people want a fuller view they can go to the "movie info" screen |
| [22:01:49] | thepeter: | CyberKnet that I already tryed ... that cards I wan not able to find :P |
| [22:02:09] | thepeter: | anyway there is only one listed with HW encoding support if Iam right :D |
| [22:02:22] | CyberKnet: | I don't think you are reading right. |
| [22:02:30] | meshe: | thepeter: what are you trying to record? DVB-T DVB-C DVB-S OTA? |
| [22:03:06] | meshe: | analog? |
| [22:03:15] | thepeter: | meshe DV-T |
| [22:03:21] | thepeter: | DVB-T |
| [22:03:29] | thepeter: | + analog |
| [22:03:45] | ** iamlindoro suggests two cards ** | |
| [22:03:51] | iamlindoro: | PVR-150, Nova-T PCI |
| [22:03:57] | thepeter: | and in the list I found FlyDVB-T Hybrid MCE PRO |
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| [22:04:23] | meshe: | +1 on the PVR-150 |
| [22:04:36] | meshe: | and they're dirt cheap |
| [22:05:04] | thepeter: | meshe have hw encoding? |
| [22:05:11] | gbee: | hybrids are tricky, if you've got the space I'd tend to recommend two cards for now, but that doesn't mean there aren't working hybrids out there |
| [22:05:14] | darkdrgn2k3: | meshe: out of curiosity what bitrate did you set your pvr150 to record on? |
| [22:05:32] | meshe: | darkdrgn2k3: not sure, probably whatever the default is |
| [22:05:44] | thepeter: | cause thinikng about putting quiet mainboard with integratec CPU |
| [22:05:52] | darkdrgn2k3: | meshe: hmmm.. ok cause my recordings dont look that great :-S |
| [22:05:55] | meshe: | mythbuntu plug'n'play'n'forget ftw |
| [22:06:13] | iamlindoro: | integrated CPU sounds an awful lot like VAI or Geode |
| [22:06:14] | thepeter: | just correct me If Iam thinking about something impossible :D |
| [22:06:15] | iamlindoro: | AVOID |
| [22:06:16] | meshe: | darkdrgn2k3: it's analog, of course they don't :) |
| [22:06:20] | iamlindoro: | er VIA |
| [22:06:38] | darkdrgn2k3: | meshe: the TV's tuner lookes better though with the same signal :-P |
| [22:07:23] | CyberKnet: | recommend PVR-150 over PVR-500? |
| [22:07:24] | meshe: | i honestly haven't tweaked anything on mine, and it does ok picture quality, my tv does tune better though |
| [22:07:49] | CyberKnet: | I love my -500... very nice card. |
| [22:08:08] | meshe: | 500 is just a 150x2 |
| [22:08:18] | CyberKnet: | Yes, it is. |
| [22:08:39] | CyberKnet: | I guess the 500 is more than 2x$ of 150? |
| [22:08:52] | CyberKnet: | I'm space limited, so 500 was the only way to go. |
| [22:08:56] | meshe: | i paid $35 for each of my $150s |
| [22:09:18] | CyberKnet: | aaah. back when I got my 500, I paid $130-ish ... but that was quite a while ago |
| [22:09:21] | ** meshe scrubs that last $ ** | |
| [22:09:25] | thepeter: | ehm ehm :P |
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| [22:09:43] | thepeter: | so the idea is no good I guess yeah? |
| [22:09:44] | CyberKnet: | 150's were selling for ~50–60 back then. |
| [22:09:44] | thepeter: | :P |
| [22:10:24] | CyberKnet: | later folks |
| [22:10:30] | meshe: | i have a mythbox running 0.21 that still uses the tv-out of a 350 ;) |
| [22:10:43] | darkdrgn2k3: | hmm does 1920x1080 actualy have overscan areas? |
| [22:11:02] | gbee: | iamlindoro: atom boards aren't being sold as integrated? |
| [22:11:05] | iamlindoro: | the resolution and overscan are unrelated |
| [22:11:12] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Ah, guess that's true, just didn't think of it |
| [22:11:32] | iamlindoro: | darkdrgn2k3, Overscan will be a joint factor of your video drivers and your display device |
| [22:11:47] | iamlindoro: | (at any resolution) |
| [22:12:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: hmm i see.. is there sopposed to be overscan? |
| [22:12:18] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: ie should i be looking into why there is overscan |
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| [22:12:28] | iamlindoro: | like I said, depends on your display device (TV) and your video drivers, but very often, yes |
| [22:12:36] | iamlindoro: | you can correct for overscan easily in myth, though |
| [22:12:43] | darkdrgn2k3: | using the screen wizard |
| [22:12:49] | iamlindoro: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->Screen Setup Wizard |
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| [22:13:07] | darkdrgn2k3: | ok is the WHITE + sopposed to be visible at all? |
| [22:13:09] | Dagmar: | It's great that we never bother to document any of this on the wiki |
| [22:13:11] | darkdrgn2k3: | (in screen wizard) |
| [22:13:28] | iamlindoro: | I dunno that a WHITE + is |
| [22:13:38] | darkdrgn2k3: | white crosshair on screen wizard |
| [22:13:45] | kormoc: | Didn't juski write that? |
| [22:14:02] | iamlindoro: | you put the upper left corner at the absolute far upper left of the visible space, the the lower right arrow at the lower rigth visible corner |
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| [22:14:24] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: but is the cross hair sopposed to be visible, if so all of it? |
| [22:14:41] | iamlindoro: | There is no cross hair |
| [22:14:47] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_development_ . . . scan_and_You |
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| [22:14:51] | iamlindoro: | there are two movable arrows |
| [22:14:59] | Dagmar: | ...whish has http://scanline.ca/overscan/ in the first line |
| [22:14:59] | darkdrgn2k3: | ok sorry the top left movable arrow |
| [22:15:03] | iamlindoro: | You put the edge of each on the appropriate corner |
| [22:15:11] | iamlindoro: | so yes, you want to see the whole thing, barely |
| [22:15:24] | jpabq: | sphery, iamlindoro : newegg is now selling a 2TB Seagate. No idea how it compares to the WD. |
| [22:15:40] | ** kormoc wouldn't get it ** | |
| [22:15:46] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Have been satisfied with the WD 2 TBs so far, no failures yet |
| [22:16:11] | jpabq: | I have been waiting for the WD RE4-GP |
| [22:16:15] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: by barly you meen 1 pixel of the white arrow.. or the whole white arrow is to be visible |
| [22:16:28] | iamlindoro: | "<iamlindoro> so yes, you want to see the whole thing, barely" |
| [22:16:37] | darkdrgn2k3: | ok sorry just makeing sure |
| [22:16:40] | ** iamlindoro wonders if that made less sense than it seems to him it did ** | |
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| [22:17:07] | iamlindoro: | lord know you could just... you know, *try it* |
| [22:17:17] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: i have been.. |
| [22:17:20] | ** darkdrgn2k3 LOLs @ "chedule recording" ** | |
| [22:17:24] | Dagmar: | Aelobin: Make sure it can keep up. Give it a nice glass of water, or maybe something with some electrolytes in it like Gatoradae |
| [22:17:43] | ** iamlindoro lols ate darkdrgn2k3 not doing the two things he was asked to do ** | |
| [22:17:44] | ** thepeter leaves hw choices for later ** | |
| [22:17:47] | iamlindoro: | at |
| [22:18:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: i actualy did put GL mode AND the ttf file in the right place |
| [22:18:22] | iamlindoro: | darkdrgn2k3, putting the tef in the right place isn't the only step to installing a font |
| [22:18:27] | darkdrgn2k3: | yes |
| [22:18:31] | iamlindoro: | I *gave* both steps, however |
| [22:18:38] | iamlindoro: | (the second might require sudo) |
| [22:18:39] | darkdrgn2k3: | and making the folder... AND the cache |
| [22:18:49] | ** darkdrgn2k3 appologieses ** | |
| [22:18:51] | darkdrgn2k3: | i didnt restart X |
| [22:18:53] | iamlindoro: | if you did it properly, then schedule recordings will be fully visible on a 16:9 display |
| [22:18:59] | iamlindoro: | I didn't tell you to restart X |
| [22:19:00] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: I suspect that by now you know you've committed yourself to explaining to him how to install TrueType fonts to the system, right? |
| [22:19:09] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: no you didnt.. but i had to to see the new font |
| [22:19:10] | iamlindoro: | Nope, I already did so |
| [22:19:17] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: might have just been mythfrontend that needed restarting.. |
| [22:19:17] | Dagmar: | ...because he's going to keep coming back with "just one more little problem" until you've told him everything, one question at a time. |
| [22:19:37] | iamlindoro: | Well mythfrontend isn't going to pick up font changes unless you restart it, of course, just like any application |
| [22:19:48] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: yeh.. i figured... so as i said |
| [22:19:50] | darkdrgn2k3: | my appologies |
| [22:19:52] | iamlindoro: | ok |
| [22:19:57] | darkdrgn2k3: | and thank you very much for the awsome theame! |
| [22:20:00] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [22:26:47] | ** kormoc is spoiled by OS X ** | |
| [22:26:51] | ** thepeter is anyway currious what is wrong on having box with integrated CPU and HW encoding card being used as one box DVD recorder ** | |
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| [22:27:38] | Dagmar: | Monopolists will want their cut. |
| [22:28:13] | iamlindoro: | Myth is also not designed as a do it yourself DVD recorder, though you can (in a slightly kludgy way) create DVDs of recordings |
| [22:28:32] | iamlindoro: | and Atom (which is bearable) is about the only integrated CPU worth running myth on |
| [22:28:41] | iamlindoro: | VIA stinks, and Geode is even worse |
| [22:29:06] | Dagmar: | So that means Atom will run full bitrate h.264 at 1920x1080 without a stutter? |
| [22:29:16] | Dagmar: | Why of course it does |
| [22:29:17] | thepeter: | iamlindoro mhm |
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| [22:29:54] | thepeter: | thx so the only coice on this to have silent system all in one is bouling it on atom? |
| [22:30:06] | Dagmar: | :D |
| [22:30:06] | jduggan: | if you combine it with viddypow =] |
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| [22:30:16] | iamlindoro: | The preferred method would be to put worthwhile hardware in a closet, and run cables to a TV |
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| [22:31:39] | kormoc: | vdpau, the std everyone wants! |
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| [22:31:49] | jduggan: | heh |
| [22:31:59] | iamlindoro: | and few realize the side effects of that one, either |
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| [22:32:49] | thepeter: | iamlindoro means the only way how to have silnet living room with good performance myth TV is to put box into different room yeah? |
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| [22:33:43] | jduggan: | that depends how silent is silent... you can build a decent low noise frontend |
| [22:33:48] | jduggan: | there are people using mobile cpus |
| [22:33:50] | jduggan: | diskless |
| [22:33:52] | iamlindoro: | thepeter, If all you want is Standard definition, an Atom box will do fine and should be near silent. If you want a system that will play High Definition material and don't want to deal with the many limitations of hardware decode, then a more powerful ssytem placed somewhere else is nice |
| [22:33:53] | jduggan: | low noise psus |
| [22:34:19] | iamlindoro: | of you can spend more, as quite and powerful is not cheap |
| [22:34:32] | iamlindoro: | anything is doable, but you can only have two of quite, small, and cheap |
| [22:34:34] | iamlindoro: | er quiet |
| [22:34:39] | jduggan: | heh |
| [22:34:59] | iamlindoro: | (x2) |
| [22:35:09] | thepeter: | heh make sence |
| [22:35:23] | kormoc: | if anything is doable, I want all three! |
| [22:35:46] | thepeter: | I just can't imagine how big it should be to be enought quiet and cheap :D |
| [22:35:48] | iamlindoro: | It's a variation of "anyONE is doable, with enough alcoholo" |
| [22:36:06] | jduggan: | how is all the work in ffmpeg getting on with multithreaded h264 |
| [22:36:06] | kormoc: | ahh, alas, I've found that to be lacking in truth as well... |
| [22:36:06] | iamlindoro: | alcohol, gosh, my typng has gone downhill since I started drinking |
| [22:36:12] | jduggan: | i dont follow these stuff any more |
| [22:36:21] | jduggan: | i should =] |
| [22:36:29] | iamlindoro: | jduggan, The aim isn't to multithread a single codec, but all of them |
| [22:36:41] | jduggan: | ah |
| [22:36:41] | iamlindoro: | and the work has been done in a forked branch, and works well by all accounts |
| [22:36:54] | iamlindoro: | the aim is (last I heard a week or two ago) to get it merged late this summerish |
| [22:37:02] | jduggan: | oooh |
| [22:37:07] | jduggan: | is that likely to sync into trunk |
| [22:37:08] | iamlindoro: | which renders most of the draw of hardware decode moot IMO |
| [22:37:15] | jduggan: | or is .22 expected to be released at this point |
| [22:37:28] | iamlindoro: | jduggan, Yes, once it gets into ffmpeg, myth will gain support for it int eh next sync thereafter |
| [22:37:36] | jduggan: | excellent |
| [22:37:40] | iamlindoro: | though it might/probably won't make .22 (though that's just my guess) |
| [22:37:41] | kormoc: | int eh? |
| [22:37:47] | kormoc: | you really are slipping today |
| [22:38:03] | iamlindoro: | it ypet oo fastfor my on good ;) |
| [22:38:38] | kormoc: | although, I'm upto twice typing a password into the channel... this saddens me... |
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| [22:41:47] | jduggan: | could be worse |
| [22:41:48] | jduggan: | =] |
| [22:42:49] | jduggan: | my biggest f***k up thus far happened last week and i snipped a fiber strand for a customer transit feed, not good |
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| [22:45:26] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, abqjp: Just made your requested program guide change, selected program now shows start and end time-- plus, added that missing scheduling screen. |
| [22:53:41] | kormoc: | heh |
| [22:56:18] | phunyguy: | hmm @ 2TB seagate |
| [22:56:22] | phunyguy: | 5900RPM |
| [22:56:28] | phunyguy: | slow... |
| [22:56:44] | phunyguy: | and $24- bux |
| [22:56:44] | sphery: | phunyguy: the WD has free shipping, so is cheaper |
| [22:56:45] | phunyguy: | err |
| [22:56:47] | phunyguy: | $240 |
| [22:59:42] | kormoc: | the WD is a 7200 RPM |
| [23:00:06] | phunyguy: | yeah |
| [23:00:09] | phunyguy: | interesting |
| [23:00:13] | phunyguy: | i cant find that on WDs site |
| [23:00:19] | phunyguy: | i was looking for that number |
| [23:00:26] | phunyguy: | looks like a faster drive, but cheaper |
| [23:00:31] | kormoc: | amazon and newegg have it |
| [23:00:34] | phunyguy: | i have always had bad luck with WD though |
| [23:00:45] | phunyguy: | loud and the diue |
| [23:00:46] | phunyguy: | die |
| [23:00:56] | phunyguy: | but last WD i had was a 40 gig |
| [23:01:03] | kormoc: | I've always had bad luck with Seagate, dieing and dieing and dieing... |
| [23:01:08] | phunyguy: | lol |
| [23:01:23] | phunyguy: | i have 2 seagate 400 gig IDE drives |
| [23:01:28] | phunyguy: | had them for a while now |
| [23:01:32] | phunyguy: | quiet / cool / solid |
| [23:01:37] | kormoc: | I have a 1 tb and a 500 gb, they've been rmaed at least 6 times each |
| [23:01:47] | kormoc: | the WD's keep on chugging without a complaint |
| [23:01:51] | phunyguy: | lol you got them sealed up tight in cement or something? |
| [23:01:58] | kormoc: | nah |
| [23:01:59] | phunyguy: | (heat) |
| [23:02:04] | kormoc: | no hotter then the WD's |
| [23:02:19] | phunyguy: | odd |
| [23:02:41] | pat___: | all drives die |
| [23:02:50] | kormoc: | smart on the seagates show 41C, min 37, max 41, currently 41 |
| [23:02:58] | kormoc: | pat___, 6 times in a year? |
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| [23:03:25] | pat___: | kormoc, some batches from all manufactures have had problems |
| [23:03:43] | kormoc: | meh, I keep getting different batches from the RMA's and they keep dieing |
| [23:04:01] | kormoc: | plus the fact that Seagate doesn't follow SMART Standards gives me a bad taste in my mouth |
| [23:04:17] | pat___: | anyway, you should bank on a drive failing. that's their nature. |
| [23:04:33] | kormoc: | it's still an absurd amount |
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| [23:09:19] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/game.png |
| [23:09:26] | iamlindoro: | Ask me about LOOM! |
| [23:09:46] | ** kormoc waits for scummvm for the iphone ** | |
| [23:09:56] | iamlindoro: | it's long since out, no? |
| [23:10:20] | kormoc: | So it is! |
| [23:12:21] | iamlindoro: | Think that just about finishes converting the old versions of Graphite screens to the new ones |
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| [23:22:05] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, and there goes any wireless productivity I might have had... |
| [23:22:21] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Heh, what do you mean? |
| [23:22:45] | iamlindoro: | oh, scummvm for iphone |
| [23:22:46] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [23:22:48] | kormoc: | yeah |
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| [23:30:58] | cire: | I get tons of "b2c master_xfer failed" errors. No other errors are shown, but dmesg explodes (+20 errors per second) |
| [23:31:12] | sphery: | sounds like a problem with your drivers |
| [23:31:15] | cire: | Do you have any suggestions? |
| [23:31:16] | sphery: | capture card drivers? |
| [23:31:31] | cire: | these errors are on 2.6.26, 2.6.29 and 2.6.30 |
| [23:31:59] | sphery: | well, Myth doesn't do any i2c, so that leaves other stuff in your system |
| [23:32:07] | cire: | okay, great. |
| [23:32:08] | sphery: | several tv capture cards use i2c for various things |
| [23:32:20] | cire: | driver problems are better than hardware problems... |
| [23:32:21] | sphery: | but all i2c is done through the driver |
| [23:33:02] | cire: | I do not know what i2c is, but I believe what you are saying ;) |
| [23:33:08] | Dagmar: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/B2C2_FlexCop |
| [23:33:16] | sphery: | wait... Ijust noticed it says b2c, not i2c |
| [23:33:32] | Dagmar: | Yeah it's cool like that |
| [23:33:33] | sphery: | but still, myth doesn't do b2c (whatever that is) |
| [23:33:38] | Dagmar: | It uses I2C anyway |
| [23:33:41] | kormoc: | he said i2c in #mythtv |
| [23:34:15] | cire: | yes |
| [23:34:19] | cire: | this was a typo |
| [23:34:22] | cire: | sorry for that |
| [23:34:27] | cire: | it is i2c |
| [23:34:30] | sphery: | guess if it really was i2c on the error message, it's a good thing I can't read/read what I expect to see |
| [23:34:41] | Dagmar: | Answer is still the same tho |
| [23:34:43] | Dagmar: | Driver is boned. |
| [23:34:48] | sphery: | yeah, not myth--likely some driver |
| [23:36:09] | cire: | I'll try mythbuntu again... I was using that for a long time and it worked fine. Now I switched to debian lenny and got all the problems. |
| [23:36:50] | cire: | But I do not think the drivers in debian- and ubuntu-kernels differ much |
| [23:37:18] | iamlindoro: | They differ *vastly* |
| [23:37:32] | iamlindoro: | Ubuntu kernels bear no resemblance to debian ones |
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| [23:37:50] | cire: | didn't know that |
| [23:38:09] | cire: | so I'll get back to mythbuntu |
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| [23:38:33] | cire: | thanks for your help |
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