Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, June 23rd, 2009, 00:09 UTC

[00:09:28]

GreyFoxx:

heh that Planet Earth clip does shoot my CPU to 100% using VDPAU :)

[00:09:34]

GreyFoxx:

something about it is definitely off :)

[00:09:52]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, is it the VC1 version, or the H.264 one?

[00:10:13]

GreyFoxx:

dunno, whatever was on that page the guy linked in the email

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iamlindoro:

I wish they'd name it something that didn't make us look like retarded tools

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sphery:

name which?

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iamlindoro:

"killa.sampla"

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

AFD: InitVideoCodec() 0x9ca9070 id(H264) type (Video).

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, average bitrate?

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sphery:

wonder if it will play with software decode...

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iamlindoro:

would also be curious about reference pictures

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iamlindoro:

and how VDPAU handles too many

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GreyFoxx:

2009-06–22 21:09:32.527 AFD: Stream #0, has id 0x0 codec id H264, type Video, bitrate 0 at 0x0x9ca8ed0

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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iamlindoro:

ie, is it the sample that's a problem (actual blu ray Planet earth isn't here) or that some jackass re-encoded it with intentionally dumbass settings

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iamlindoro:

I suspect the latter

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GreyFoxx:

Tons of prebufering pause messages during playback

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iamlindoro:

As I have both VC1 (from HD-DVD) and H.264 Planet earth here, and it plays with aplomb on viddypoo

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iamlindoro:

(and with software with correct settings/hardware)

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iamlindoro:

It's also just a crazy complicated scene, you can't represent it properly without bitrate spikes

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iamlindoro:

Millions of independently moving objects

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sphery:

did you read about it at: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=36803

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iamlindoro:

no, dare I?

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sphery:

digging through the irrelevance to see what it's about

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iamlindoro:

ah, let me know when you've translated it

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sphery:

crazy bitrate spikes = badly encoded.

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iamlindoro:

That's just a massive oversimplification

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iamlindoro:

Some scenes *need* enough bits to represent them without turning to goo

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iamlindoro:

I imagine someone was thinking it was done one-pass or something

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sphery:

there's another link to one: BITRATE.........: 106 Mbps , RESOLUTION......: 1920x1080 , SOURCE..........: RAW input from HD film camera

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iamlindoro:

ie not bitrate optimized

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sphery:

yeah, just quoting what they're saying

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sphery:

actually, it's not a link to another one, but a mention of one

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iamlindoro:

106 Mbit is neat, if it's actually from the raw source

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sphery:

and by it's name, I'm guessing that you'd have to ask ye matey's where to find it

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sphery:

Ducks.Take.Off.1080p.QHD.CRF25.x264-CtrlHD

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

the very naming scheme contradicts it being raw from a camera

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iamlindoro:

unless they're using x264 as synonymous with H.264 (which as we know drives iamlindoro insane)

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sphery:

I thought the source they used when encoding w/ x264 was raw input

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sphery:

but the output was H.264

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iamlindoro:

haaaaaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahah

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wagnerrp:

well the fact that it was a 'film' camera would imply its not the raw source

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iamlindoro:

Ducks Take Off 2160p QHD CRF25 TEST DEMO x264-CtrlHD

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iamlindoro:

2160 god dang pee

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sphery:

yeah, they mentioned that one, too

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wagnerrp:

what would you even play that on?

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wagnerrp:

a trio of dual-link monitors in portrait mode?

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sphery:

or 4 1080p's

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wagnerrp:

well then you have to stack them... and no one likes doing that

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iamlindoro:

gonna need a bigger boat

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cornell:

Couple of questions... formatting a new drive for a soon-to-be-installed linhes, what fs would be optimal?

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sphery:

but really, there's a lot more info in a 1080p picture than you can display on a 1080p display

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sphery:

(assuming you have the processor to extract it)

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iamlindoro:

cornell, to be used for what purpose?

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iamlindoro:

recordings? Boot?

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cornell:

And I'm having a devil of a time finding info on linhes, can't seem to find anything past R5.5

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iamlindoro:

For boot drive, ol' reliabe ext3 IMO

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cornell:

Recordings iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

for movies/recordings I like XFS, but JFS and yes, even ext3 are fine

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cornell:

/myth/tv, and maybe /myth/video

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** wagnerrp cries with joy **

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iamlindoro:

cornell, Most of the linHES knowledge will likely be in their forums, and some can be gleaned here as we have their devs in fairly often

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wagnerrp:

a new user wanting to save video somewhere other than /var

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

agreed, wagnerrp

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cornell:

So, there's not a nice LinHES pamphlet yet, eh ? ;-)

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** iamlindoro pokes cesman **

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iamlindoro:

eh?

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iamlindoro:

I just work here, you'll need to speak to the manager

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cornell:

;-)

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cornell:

Well, I've been through several versions of knoppmyth, each a tad screwed up and gotten worse, and fouled up with upgrade. So I'm nuke and paving with LinHES.

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, this is definitely a re-encoded (badly) single sliced monstrosity

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wagnerrp:

what bitrate is this 'killa' clip?

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cornell:

I want to get this drive working, and copy the tv recordings off.

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cornell:

I've a small familiarity with ext3, never heard of XFS or JFS... They both ... mature, stable?

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wagnerrp:

relatively

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iamlindoro:

35 Mbit average

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iamlindoro:

it's *incredibly poorly re-encoded*

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wagnerrp:

at that bitrate, why bother re-encoding?

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wagnerrp:

i mean thats going to be at or above the original bluray source

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iamlindoro:

someone took the blu ray source and re-encoded it throwing every option in the book at it, and ended up with a harder to play sample that looks horrible

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iamlindoro:

It looks like garbage

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sphery:

nice

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wagnerrp:

so... theyre retarded

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

now I have to watch the real thing to feel better

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sphery:

more looking for a solution without a problem?

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sphery:

I could watch my 1970's Planet Earth (USA)

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sphery:

480i

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iamlindoro:

yeah, original source plays like a champ and looks astounding

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iamlindoro:

mommy, get the dirty thing off my drive!

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** iamlindoro nukes **

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sphery:

heh, [20739] turns on an option for VDPAU and XvMC that should be enabled on every Myth box

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sphery:

(save a few Via 200MHz ones)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: did you srm to be safe?

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iamlindoro:

no, but there's still time

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sphery:

guess the [20739] approach works better than user education, though--I've been trying to get people to enable "Extra audio buffering" for years, now

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

less of an uphill battle than trying to get them to use slim

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sphery:

true

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iamlindoro:

since at least it sounds like you get more

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sphery:

"But I'm a manly man. I smoke Marlboro's, not Virginia Slims, either.

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wagnerrp:

youre manly by smoking those womanly cigarette's?

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wagnerrp:

come on... theyre french

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wagnerrp:

real men smoke cigars

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

cigarettes just make you more likely to surrender at first sight of battle

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squish102:

i had lots ofr problems with mythbuntu and mytharchive giving all trypes of error with mythtranscode and dvdauthor. By issuing 'rm .ICEauthority' from my home directory, it fixed all my problems (for anyone searching logs ;)

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** cesman see someone rang... **

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cesman:

hi iamlindoro

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cesman:

cornell: #linhes

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iamlindoro:

yeah, pretty much for that

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cornell:

Hi cesman, long time no chat, how you doin' and all that stuff

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cornell:

:-)

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cornell:

Oh... wrong channel eh ;-)

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cornell:

I've given up on knoppmyth and upgrading and stuff, I figure I've got my machines way too screwed up.

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cornell:

Going to nuke and pave with linhes

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cornell:

Tried to do a backup on my master and even that failed :-(

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cesman:

ouch

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sphery:

cornell: myth db backup?

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cesman:

cornell: if you want to talk knoppmyth or linhes then please join the right channel

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cesman:

sphery: KnoppMyth has had a backup script for a long time now

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cornell:

The myth backup thingy

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cornell:

OMG

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nambo:

linhes is a good distro, i just can't get used to knoppix

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cornell:

I can't believe I've gone to the general mythtv channel and not knoppmyth...

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cesman:

sphery: something we used to facilitate easy upgrades, etc

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nambo:

heh

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nambo:

nothing personal cesman

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cesman:

nambo: LinHES isn't Knoppix

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cornell:

As an actual card carrying genius... I can be seriously .... dumb

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sphery:

cesman: ah... cool. You do know that the trunk backup was designed to allow packagers/distros to substitute their own backup/restore scripts into the backup-before-upgrade we have, right?

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** cesman wonders what that is all about... **

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nambo:

cesman: it isn't? looks similar

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nambo:

i like the setup on it, you did a great job on the install

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cesman:

sphery: no, but we've had a solution for years now ;)

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cesman:

nambo: thanks jams for the installer

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cesman:

nambo: no, it isn't

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** cesman wonders if nambo was the person that was going to give feedback... **

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cesman:

but didn't :(

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cesman:

welll

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nambo:

cesman: i'm thinking of building another box for upstairs, might throw it on that

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** cesman goes back to work work **

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nambo:

to connect to the remote front end

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cornell:

Thanks for stopping by cesman, I'm heading over to linhes

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cornell:

Thanks all.

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sphery:

cesman: yeah, but you should set up Myth to use your solution on your distro. For the novel: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4760 (or just set a global setting http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/DatabaseBackupScript with the full path to the script you use and myth will call it with an argument to a "database information file" which has info about the DB that can be used by the script).

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sphery:

heh, that global setting is just DatabaseBackupScript , but I copied it from a wiki page and it added the wiki link

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nambo:

well, it's nothing personal, i was working with several distros when we talked last, only thing i disliked about linhes was a personal preference

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nambo:

it's a good distro, and i like how you have it setup

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sphery:

cesman: anyway, something to think about for 0.22.

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cesman:

sphery: thanks for the links

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sphery:

hope it's helpful

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cesman:

nambo: no offense taken as we all have our perferences...

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cesman:

nambo: just would have been nice to hear back...

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nambo:

sphery: did i tell you i finally got my digi tuner working right?

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sphery:

nambo: no, what was the issue?

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nambo:

sphery: signal strength was crap

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nambo:

sphery: i added a 24 dB amplifier to the line

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nambo:

and getting another 4 port amp later

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sphery:

ah, cool

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nambo:

it was amazing, i picked up signals i couldn't before, and whalah, it worked

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nambo:

:P

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sphery:

I had a signal issue that disappeared, but it seems to be almost back

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sphery:

right on the line

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sphery:

least it went away through most of the season

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nambo:

sphery: cable companies won't tell you when they take bw from the tap to another tap

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nambo:

god, i was on the phone with Time Warner quite a bit

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sphery:

(and, yeah, I know the whole summer/leaves theory, but in FL we have leaves all year...)

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nambo:

here in Ohio it's wind

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nambo:

we get bad winds in the spring and fall, and it messes with their lines

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sphery:

yeah, a friend of mine had a huge problem with his cable (Brighthouse--formerly TWC) and had the hardest time convincing them it was a signal problem /before/ entering the house

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nambo:

the cable tech told me as much, when i was asking him what my signal level at the box is

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nambo:

they boosted me up to about 13dB at the box, but after all the splits in my house, i'm getting negative dB at the mythtv box

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nambo:

sphery: i didn't have any probs, they looked at my cable modem and sent a tech out the same day

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nambo:

TW is actually better than i remember

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sphery:

once they fixed it, though, his cable was actually usable (at least as usable as standard def is)

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nambo:

they're constantly plugging their same day service

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sphery:

that's cool

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nambo:

yeah, i was happy

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nambo:

guy they sent out was fresh out of an A+ class either

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sphery:

this was about 4 years ago, but it took >2 weeks to get them out (I'm thinking closer to 2 months)

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nambo:

hehe

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sphery:

when the tech showed up, though, he fixed it in no time (less than 5 minutes)

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nambo:

yeah, all they have to do is go up to the tap

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nambo:

turn it up a little bit

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nambo:

then test it at the box

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nambo:

another big issue i've had, is squirrels chewing on the cable line

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nambo:

seems like once every years or so they have to come back out to rerun coax to the pole

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nambo:

year*

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** nambo should invest in a pellet gun **

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nambo:

heh

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sphery:

I was using Dish at the time and my picture quality (digital to sat box, then S-Video to PVR-x50) was so much better than his (analog cable to PVR-x50). I eventually upgraded to OTA HDTV, and was at his house watching a show on his Myth box, and it was so embarrassingly bad quality that I bought him an antenna and set him up for HDTV.

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nambo:

i used to have a dog that could catch them, but she died

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nambo:

my pits are useless versus the squirrels

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sphery:

heh, we don't have a lot of issues like that. a) squirrels here are tiny and b) almost all the cables are buried (better for hurricanes)

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sphery:

(the squirrels in the midwest are like giants compared to the ones in FL)

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nambo:

sphery: i reported my old cable company to the FCC because of similar issues

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iamlindoro:

sphery, So are the people

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nambo:

sphery: i was losing internet connectivity to portions of the internet

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nambo:

it was a total pain in the a**

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nambo:

i'd traceroute lets say, google.com

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nambo:

and i'd see the same gateway router being down

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nambo:

but they'd change the ips within the same class-c, to throw people off

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nambo:

it was ridiculous, i called them up and they denied it, until i presured them on it, and they admitted it was affecting over 300 customers in central ohio

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sphery:

wow

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nambo:

that they were having their main uplink, backbone routers die

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nambo:

so i told them i wanted a full credit

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nambo:

no can do

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nambo:

heh

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nambo:

they gave it to me after i filed a written complaint with the FCC

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nambo:

cable companies tend to listen if you threaten them with the BBB or the FCC

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nambo:

i got a full credit, but they never did admit to what they were doing

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nambo:

i know ppl on WoW that had only half the internet for months

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nambo:

while WoW figured out how to setup their backbone routers

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nambo:

been with Time Warner since, and haven't looked back

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nambo:

BW on TW's top tier is quite phearsome for residential service

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nambo:

sphery: so where in Florida do you live?

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sphery:

central FL

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nambo:

Orlando area?

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sphery:

east coast, but yeah

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sphery:

just kind of ended up here

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nambo:

i go to Florida every year for Daytona Speedweeks

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kormoc:

phearsome? 20 mbit down 1 mbit up is phearsome?

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nambo:

Feburary down there is like nothing else

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nambo:

kormoc: for residential, sure

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nambo:

btw, it's 15mbit, burstable to 25mbit

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nambo:

hehe

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kormoc:

not really, my residental line is much better and I'm no where near top tear...

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kormoc:

I could get 50 mbit/50 mbit if I wanted...

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nambo:

well, you're a canuck, if i remember right

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kormoc:

Negative

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nambo:

where do you reside? :P

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kormoc:

Seattle, but FIOS is available most of new England and a lot of other places as well

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nambo:

AT&T fiber?

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nambo:

aww... FIOS

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kormoc:

Verizon

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nambo:

that's why

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nambo:

FIOS is one of the fastest in the country

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nambo:

straight fiber

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sphery:

nambo: yeah, Feb in FL is when I forget about days like today

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nambo:

you probably got fiber out to your box

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sphery:

(very hot lately--hotter than it's been in years--plus the normal humidity/high dew point)

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nambo:

AT&T is like that too, and i've known a few enterprising people that have installed fiber from the box to their internal LANs

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nambo:

sphery: that's why i perfer to come down there in winter

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nambo:

can't beat Florida weather in the winter

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sphery:

much better time

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nambo:

sphery: i'm coming down there for a month next year

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kormoc:

perhaps he could use your couch!

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nambo:

going to go to speedweeks in Daytona, then go to Miami to visit family, spend a week in the keys, then come back up for Bike Week

[01:22:32]

nambo:

hahah

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nambo:

naw... plenty of cheap hotels in florida

[01:23:15]

nambo:

and i'm going to advoid the Orlando area like a plague, that's Mouse country

[01:23:19]

nambo:

hehe

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nambo:

Mickey Mouse that is

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sphery:

my couch isn't one of them (regardless of what my parents seem to think)

[01:23:44]

superdug:

how does a USB 2.0 external drive fair as a direct save to media for myth?

[01:23:51]

kormoc:

of course not, your couch is a *free* hotel ;)

[01:24:01]

sphery:

heh

[01:24:04]

** kormoc wonders if he's used up all of sphery's good will towards him **

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sphery:

you may need to commit a couple more of my patches to get some back :)

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iamlindoro:

superdug, It's doable, but brings its own set of "gotchas" (like when certain USB chipsets like to randomly lose connection)

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nambo:

i know a nice little beachside hotel in St Augustine, that's only $49 a night, during the off season

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iamlindoro:

superdug, It's definitely not something I'd want to do if I could avoid it

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nambo:

you can't beat that

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I agree--does that affect USB-based capture cards, too?

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sphery:

(losing connection that is)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I've heard of it, yeah

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nambo:

USB 2.0 is pretty fast, still not as fast as a SATA hd

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nambo:

eSATA would be a better solution if you're going that route

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sphery:

wouldn't want that to happen. My fear of it is why i haven't bought any usb cards

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nambo:

sphery: i called TW today, and ordered another digi box

[01:27:16]

nambo:

i'm going to put my analog tuner on a switch, to switch between regular cable, and the digi box, when i want it

[01:28:38]

nambo:

i wish their was an easier way to decrypt all these encrypted channels

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nambo:

seems almost criminal with how much i pay for my service

[01:31:15]

sphery:

yeah, I loved canceling my pay TV service and going all OTA

[01:31:25]

superdug:

well looks like I'm getting a hitachi 1TB for $70

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: using your Graphite theme and it rocks!

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, Thanks! Enjoy! It's most useful with all the sexy images, which can take some time to accumulate

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iamlindoro:

but if you read the release notes then it should be fairly simple to get started

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iamlindoro:

and I'm dropping subtle hints that someone should write a brief perl script to do automated lookups and downloads for scheduled and current recordings

[01:42:05]

iamlindoro:

so that the Watch Recordings screen has all the sexy fanart/covers downlaoded automagically

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, Also, if you haven't done so (and I'm sure you have) make sure to install the font systemwide, it looks pretty bad here when it falls back to an installed font

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** elmojo hides **

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elmojo:

i installed it

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iamlindoro:

cool

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elmojo:

had a question for you about HD-PVR

[01:43:28]

iamlindoro:

Well I'm very glad you like it

[01:43:42]

elmojo:

yes, thanks for all the hard work!

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iamlindoro:

it will probably get a different menu and some more eye candy as more stuff is added, but it should mostly work for now

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iamlindoro:

go ahead re: HD-PVR

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elmojo:

do you force your set-top box to output strictly 720p or 1080i?

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iamlindoro:

Ah, I do neither. The previous problems with 1080i no longer exist, and the driver/myth code now mostly gracefully handles the res changes too

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elmojo:

oh, that's great to hear!

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elmojo:

looks like you are still giving VDPAU a chance :)

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iamlindoro:

I still play with it, it's all a matter of right tool for the right job IMO

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jeconti:

When I try to bring up the program guide while I'm watching live tv, it flickers and eventually the screen goes black. Has anyone experienced similar issues?

[01:48:35]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: it seems that the G98 based hardware got the most love in the beginning and that's what I used so my experience was rather positive than many that had other cards

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, TBH once the multithreaded stuff makes it into ffmpeg I will probably stop experimenting with it, I have a lot of reasons for loving software decode and with processor usage taken out of the equation that will have removed the primary (for me) reson for using VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, I know that some are enraptured by the VDPAU deinterlacers, but I personally prefer the high end software ones

[01:51:02]

elmojo:

unfortunately i can not run the high end software deinterlacers with my current hardware

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, and with mark working so hard ad multithreading those too, software decode and deinterlace is looking awful sweet right now, in light of its ability to weather stream breakage, and (shortly) multithread any and all codecs

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elmojo:

and Box 2X doesn't look that good anymore :)

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sphery:

ffmpeg-mt ftw!

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, heh, bob 2x never looked that great :)

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iamlindoro:

But Yadif 2x is awful sexy to me :)

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iamlindoro:

and greedy

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wagnerrp:

TBH, i was amazed at the video quality coming out of VDPAU when i first got the card

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iamlindoro:

sphery, So re: my latest comment on -commits, maybe this is an excuse to make Qt 4.5 the minimum :)

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wagnerrp:

of course then i stuck the card in a machine actually fast enough to decode ATSC in software

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wagnerrp:

and realized the video outputs were just significantly improved off my old 6200

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sphery:

iamlindoro: wouldn't it be 4.5.2 :)

[01:54:24]

iamlindoro:

sphery, yes!

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elmojo:

please don't make me upgrade my Ubuntu box again :)

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iamlindoro:

Think even *buntu is only 4.5.0 right now

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wagnerrp:

oh come on... dont complain about upgrading ubuntu

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sphery:

weird thing is that we (=not me, but people who know what they're doing) were actually fixing some of those errors

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wagnerrp:

a new Qt is just 3 minutes away

[01:55:36]

wagnerrp:

its several hour compile on some of my machines

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iamlindoro:

Hell, qt is a couple hour compile on great machines

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iamlindoro:

(assuming defaults)

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wagnerrp:

ok... its a couple hours for each of the modular parts

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wagnerrp:

better?

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sphery:

who needs all those modules?

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iamlindoro:

wasn't a correction, just an observation that Qt is ginormous

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wagnerrp:

i dont know, portage grabs them for some reason or another

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sphery:

lots of users seem happy to leave out some, like qt-mysql or qt-mt

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: how is av-sync for your HD-PVR recordings these days?

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wagnerrp:

and moc! who wants to just go moc'ing about... ill leave that one out thank you very much

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, generally very good, though I often have to correct it by 100 ms at playback-- but it's consistent

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: i forgot what are we waiting on before we merge ffmpeg again?

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wagnerrp:

really? i figured av-sync would be exact coming out of that thing

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, last time I heard, the HWAccel API to be finished and have VAAPI working with it, and h264 timestamps

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It appears to be more of a h264.c issue

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elmojo:

ah.. so the h264 timestamps should help with av-sync that we are seeing?

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iamlindoro:

the files themselves (allegedly, haven't done it myself) play well with something built against current ffmpeg head

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, I would just be conjecturing, TBH, I don't know-- probably

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iamlindoro:

h264.c has improved a *lot* since last sync

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iamlindoro:

IMO, though, the longer it takes us to resync, the more we get out of it

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iamlindoro:

so I would be totally satisfied if we got one two or three weeks before .22

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iamlindoro:

enough time to shake out bugs, and still get all that progress

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elmojo:

yep, i subscribed to the ffmpeg ML and it's quite busy

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iamlindoro:

yeah, they move fast

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iamlindoro:

and today, for example, I uploaded some samples to (hopefully) get Blu ray PCM audio working, so I'd love to see that in .22

[02:01:22]

iamlindoro:

and the longer the sync is from now, the more likely that is

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JYA:

i got ffmpeg trunk to work with trunk; i was rather disappointed at the end... didn't make much difference overall

[02:03:23]

JYA:

I have some bluray RIP that shows a tad less stuttering, but otherwise I didn't see much differences with before...

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JYA:

there is support for VAAPI as you said

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iamlindoro:

partial

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wagnerrp:

seems belcan is claiming gigabit speeds over powerlines

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Der_Thomas:

Hey all, been away from Mythtv for awhile, just using my box. I just had my video card die. Anyone have a suggestion for a good price/performance video card?

[03:25:23]

Der_Thomas:

I'm only running SD (S-Video) right now but do plan to upgrade in the future

[03:26:19]

superdug:

well I'm making my final commitment, the amplifier comes tomorrow, and the HD comes thursday

[03:28:12]

tmkt:

NVidia GeForce 9600

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tmkt:

was the answer to that question last night when I asked

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tmkt:

or 9500...or 8400

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Der_Thomas:

is there a huge diff between the 9600 and 8400

[03:29:21]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Have your trunk box booted?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: will be in about 30 seconds

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iamlindoro:

cool

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wagnerrp:

Der_Thomas: yes

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iamlindoro:

still have the link to the *old* Graphite spot?

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wagnerrp:

still even have xchat open with the PM

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Der_Thomas:

wagnerrp, which is better

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, OK, try that beta version, and go check out the information center

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iamlindoro:

I think you will like, have finally hit on a cool idea

[03:31:36]

iamlindoro:

anything except netflix, anyway

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wagnerrp:

wont bother me too much (dont have netflix)

[03:33:22]

iamlindoro:

I'm kicking myself I didn't think of it sooner, but it should only take me a couple days to convert the whole theme to this

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tmkt:

Der check this out

[03:33:51]

tmkt:

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=557&card2=529

[03:34:01]

tmkt:

not sure how useful that is in answering the question

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wagnerrp:

bleh... forgot it failed to compile on that machine for some reason

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wagnerrp:

lets give cygwin a shot

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superdug:

iamlindoro: netflix queue monitoring or instant watch?

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iamlindoro:

Myth can only view/edit the queue

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superdug:

on ... linux ... I wonder if there are any other myth mac users who'd want a polished netflix instant watch plugin

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iamlindoro:

depends on whether you'd want it included in actual myth code

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iamlindoro:

there are very few mac myth users, and a platform-specific plugin would need to be unsupported

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iamlindoro:

Could just work with the mono guys to get silverlight's DRM stuff working so that it could be cross platform

[03:40:03]

superdug:

ugh ... moonlight is such a mess right now :-(

[03:40:21]

wagnerrp:

not seeing what youre referring to

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, have you brought up a plugin?

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iamlindoro:

System status, web, etc?

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iamlindoro:

see PM

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Der_Thomas:

tmkt, thanks

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Der_Thomas:

looks like a 9600 is better then then 8400

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wagnerrp:

Der_Thomas: bigger numbers usually are

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Der_Thomas:

lol, yep

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Der_Thomas:

sometimes they try to trick you

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wagnerrp:

however for the purposes of myth, a 9600 isnt really any better than a 9500

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pembo13:

i seem to be having the problem described here: //www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdriver.org/msg00485.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdr . . . sg00485.html

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pembo13:

multiple devices on one IRQ

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pembo13:

and flickering on a tuner

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pembo13:

does anyone know how to force a device to it's own tuner?

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wagnerrp:

force a device to its own tuner?

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wagnerrp:

or IRQ?

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wagnerrp:

older BIOSs would allow manual IRQ settings

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SHADOW_V1:

th1, actually live tv does work

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wagnerrp:

something that is often lacking on modern boards

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: it's own IRQ.. .the message suggests that that would fix the problem

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pembo13:

let me paste my irq assocations

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wagnerrp:

however there is rarely the need to mess with that stuff anymore either

[04:36:41]

wagnerrp:

your best option would probably just be to move it to another PCI slot

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pembo13:

http://pastebin.com/m6bbd1250

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wagnerrp:

and see if that causes the motherboard to sort things out for yo

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: the prob is.. the only 3 pci slot is bad

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pembo13:

the only free*

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wagnerrp:

you have a bad PCI slot?

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: it's a PVR500, just put it in

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: yes, i have for awhile now, have been simply not using it

[04:37:54]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: i pulled a Wintv radio , and put in a pvr500

[04:38:03]

pembo13:

i already have a pvr 250

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wagnerrp:

usually one would replace hardware at that point

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: yah.. but that means replacing the CPU and memory as well

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pembo13:

and video card

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pembo13:

lot of replacements, so just stuck with what i have, and not use the pci slot

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pembo13:

haven't had any apperent IRQ related problems till now

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wagnerrp:

dafinately one would replace the hardware at that point

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: ok

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wagnerrp:

pre-PCIe stuff is getting a bit aged

[04:39:58]

wagnerrp:

anyway, you can go into the bios

[04:40:11]

wagnerrp:

and there is often stuff to manually tinker with the IRQ stuff

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pembo13:

yah well, my descretionary spending isn't going to allow for that any time soon

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wagnerrp:

aside from that, i dont know what to tell you

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pembo13:

ok

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benklop_:

hello everyone, I have a potential bug in mythtv...

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wagnerrp:

perhaps find an old machine somewhere, and toss the tuners in there

[04:42:08]

wagnerrp:

any old pentium or better could probably handle your PVRs

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pembo13:

i'll try swapping my NIC with th enew pvr

[04:42:50]

benklop_:

i've got a recorded episode of law and order that, when mythtv tries to load the preview of, causes mythtv to no longer load previews for anything, or play anything at all.

[04:43:21]

benklop_:

attempting to play after mythtv has tried to preview the episode results in "Couldn't find a matching decoder for: ......"

[04:43:24]

benklop_:

errors

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wagnerrp:

benklop_: what version of mythtv are you running?

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benklop_:

0.22

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wagnerrp:

doesnt exist

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benklop_:

YEAH

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benklop_:

SORRY

[04:44:03]

benklop_:

.21

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benklop_:

oop

[04:44:27]

benklop_:

svn rev 18314

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benklop_:

actually exists in later revs though, i just downgraded to see if it was a new bug

[04:45:22]

benklop_:

19961 is the latest I tested as it's the latest the has gentoo packages

[04:45:51]

benklop_:

wagnerrp: sorry about giving you the wrong version at first :) fat fingered it

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6356

[04:46:53]

wagnerrp:

looks like it has been encountered before, but a sample of the offending video is required for further investigation

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benklop_:

i'll post it then. just dd off the first 10 mb or do?

[04:48:04]

benklop_:

*or so

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wagnerrp:

that will do

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wagnerrp:

dont attach the video itself to the ticket though, too big for trac to handle

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benklop_:

wagnerrp: have you got someplace I should put it?

[04:49:18]

benklop_:

if not i'll find someplace

[04:49:21]

wagnerrp:

megaupload, rapidshare, etc...

[04:49:31]

benklop_:

yeah.. I hate those places

[04:49:34]

wagnerrp:

if you want some place a bit more permanent, i can host it

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wagnerrp:

~10MB wont be too bad

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benklop_:

its ok i'll host it

[04:50:17]

benklop_:

as long as it's not downloaded 10 zillion times I think my friens wont kill me over 10 mb

[04:50:38]

benklop_:

site is hosted using a friend's bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

na, trac is not usually subject to fly-by downloaders

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benklop_:

how can I determine if the problem occurs still after snipping the file size down?

[04:51:39]

wagnerrp:

replace the existing file with your new clipped one

[04:52:17]

wagnerrp:

the preview is taken shortly after the start of the video

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benklop_:

mythtv won't skip it because of a non-matchine filesize? or is that even recorded in the database?

[04:52:27]

wagnerrp:

so 10mb will probably be enough

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wagnerrp:

not recorded AFAIK

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benklop_:

ok

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wagnerrp:

your seektable will be invalid, but its not like that matters because myth cant play it currently anyway

[04:54:08]

wagnerrp:

your probably may have also been fixed already since the ffmpeg sync in trunk

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wagnerrp:

s/probably/problem/

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benklop_:

wagnerrp: mythtv contains its own version of ffmpeg?

[04:55:16]

benklop_:

i thought it used the system version

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wagnerrp:

sort of

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benklop_:

hmm... well i just recently upgraded my system to ffmpeg .5, I rebuilt mythtv after that

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt have made any difference

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benklop_:

ok, just checking.

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benklop_:

how does it sort of use the sysetm version?

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wagnerrp:

well it uses ffmpeg, it just uses one specific version that it carries around internally

[04:58:12]

wagnerrp:

there are some changes to the code needed to shoehorn it to mythtv's requirements

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benklop_:

ok I see. that's somewhat disappointing. does the abi/api for ffmpeg really change that often?

[04:58:24]

benklop_:

ah, so it's not quite stock

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wagnerrp:

no idea what all goes into a sync

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benklop_:

I'm doing that with a small part of kde for an app I work on

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wagnerrp:

but its generally worth about a week or two of someone's spare time

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benklop_:

It's a part that's not really in a library so i can't really get it from kde

[04:59:45]

benklop_:

that seems substantial

[05:00:16]

benklop_:

not something that a wrapper class could take care of i guess then

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benklop_:

otherwise i'm sure that would be done

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benklop_:

is there a way to test whether the ffmpeg upgrade would fix it?

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wagnerrp:

try trunk

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benklop_:

is there a way to try trunk but use the old gui so i don't totally confuse my wife?

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wagnerrp:

last sync was some time earlier this year, im thinking march

[05:04:09]

wagnerrp:

some of the core themes will work on trunk

[05:04:20]

wagnerrp:

but that is all

[05:04:29]

wagnerrp:

if youre not comfortable of switching completely

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wagnerrp:

better to just backup your database, upgrade, try out the file

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wagnerrp:

then flush the database, and restore it

[05:05:31]

wagnerrp:

i dont remember how, but theres some way in portage you can package your current install, and then install it later from the package

[05:05:38]

wagnerrp:

so you dont have to keep rebuilding it

[05:07:08]

wagnerrp:

wootoff time.... 800i for $13 if anyone is interested

[05:07:36]

wagnerrp:

i dont expect it to be up for more than another 10 minutes

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wagnerrp:

maybe not, it dropped to half stock in a couple minutes, and hasnt moved since

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, looks like woot is broken

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Hilikus:

hey guys

[05:21:02]

Hilikus:

i checked mythweb today from a blackberry and now it's all screwed from my desktop as well

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Hilikus:

how do i fix this?

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JYA:

wagnerp: the "couldn't find a matching decoder" was fixed in trunk, but isn't due to the updated ffmpeg... it took 3 changeset to finally fixed it, starting with http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/18965

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JYA:

not available on 0.21

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Hilikus:

anyone?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, awake?

[05:29:23]

Hilikus:

i even restarted apache and nothing

[05:29:38]

Hilikus:

another website i checked wasn't affected

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benklop_:

wagnerrp: given my upload bitrate I guess this is going to take a little while to upload to the server...

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benklop_:

wagnerrp: it appears the 10 mb file still kills my fe

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benklop_:

or at least makes it inoperable

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benklop_:

Hilikus: the way that websites work, what you're claiming is pretty much not possible. simply visiting a site with one client sohuldnt be able to affect any other client

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benklop_:

barring things like DOS

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Hilikus:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=809561

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Hilikus:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7610 . . . ight=mythweb

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Hilikus:

and

[05:37:12]

Hilikus:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/330637

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Hilikus:

i fixed it, but this is really weird

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benklop_:

that is qierd

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Hilikus:

i know

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benklop_:

Hilikus: ok, so it looks like it caches settings based on the login. I don't actually have logins in my mythweb so I wouldn't know

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Hilikus:

i didn't even know it had accounts. i do use authentication, but it's not from mythweb, i had to manually configure it in apache

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wagnerrp:

benklop_: well theres your answer

[05:45:59]

benklop_:

JYA, wagnerrp: shouldn't the fix be backported since it affects .21?

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benklop_:

or is such a backport even possible?

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JYA:

it's a lot of mods ...

[05:46:54]

JYA:

everything is possible, but if it affects you, why not use trunk?

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benklop_:

JYA: because my wife likes using mythTV and needs it to be stable

[05:47:29]

JYA:

the only time I've seen this error, is when someone applied this ticket...

[05:48:37]

JYA:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6406

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benklop_:

JYA: what do you mean by that?

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benklop_:

i've got a sample that breaks whatever version of .21 I've tried..

[05:49:14]

JYA:

that ticket is incomplete, and will break playback of some old recordings, particularly those that were mythtranscode

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JYA:

well, delete that sample then :) problem solved !

[05:50:00]

JYA:

I'd like a copy if possible to check if my last mods fix this problem...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, is this an ongoing problem? or a one time thing?

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JYA:

ftp.avenard.org , anonymous access in the Incoming directory

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JYA:

I think it's a one time thing... in 0.21 mythtv only checks the first 2kB to find out what codec is used.

[05:50:53]

wagnerrp:

i mean benklop_

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JYA:

if you have a very damaged stream, that may not be sufficient to determine what codec is actually used.

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JYA:

trunk extended this to the first 64kB (or 16kB not too sure now)

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wagnerrp:

if this was a single event, best action would probably just be to delete it and move on

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JYA:

just a dodgy recording in the first place...

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benklop_:

JYA, wagnerrp: I think i've encountered it once before, but since it's the first recording in one of the categories, and since it affects the FE even with just a preview, it makes it hard to watch things :)

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JYA:

can't expect myth to behave properly when the recording is made of too much garbage to start with

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benklop_:

JYA: i'd just like it to not affect aeverything else too

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JYA:

can you upload a sample please? like the first 30MB or so

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benklop_:

I have the first 10MB available at http://intellilinux.info/sites/default/files/test_corrupt.mpg

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benklop_:

it's enough to make my FE act screwy, but mplayer will play it

[05:54:02]

benklop_:

so will dragonplayer

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JYA:

let me try it

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benklop_:

it doesn't seem like it would be very damaged.. normally reception on that channel is quite good.

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benklop_:

ok, i just double checked, and a show that plays file before previewing that file will not play at all after preview and just hangs there with a black screen

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JYA:

that file displays absolutely nothing with latest trunk either

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JYA:

on my 0.21 copy I get lots of [dca @ 0x7f45421a92c0]Not a valid DCA frame

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benklop_:

me too

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benklop_:

and I get similar with files I try after that

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JYA:

yes, works with mplayer

[06:00:02]

JYA:

there's a lot of things to be desired IMO with the current playback engine in mythtv...

[06:00:14]

JYA:

don't like L&O criminal intent anyway :)

[06:00:53]

benklop_:

heh.. yeah me either really but my wife does...

[06:01:10]

benklop_:

and so I gotta fix it :-P

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JYA:

let me try trunk with the latest ffmpeg

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benklop_:

ok

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JYA:

nope, not there either

[06:06:05]

JYA:

definitely the mythtv code locating what codec is being used

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benklop_:

JYA: awesome, I broke it :-P

[06:07:14]

benklop_:

maybe I should keep an svn checkout of mythtv on a computer that has a monitor so I can look at this stuff

[06:07:29]

benklop_:

what file is that in?

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JYA:

you're better off checking the mythtv-commit

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JYA:

there are a few, the two main ones are libmythtv/NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp and avformatdecoder.cpp ; the function is "CanHandle"

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benklop_:

ok

[06:11:41]

benklop_:

it's amazing how much code makes up mythtv...

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JYA:

currently the way mythtv checks it doesn't even use an official API of ffmpeg (using an internal/private ffmpeg function)

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JYA:

it's a huge beast... it's amazing that so many people could work on it and manage to get all together nicely

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JYA:

you look at ffmpeg, much less people have commit access

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benklop_:

i can't even find those files. I actually want to get familiar with it's code so I can start to work on little things

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benklop_:

and work my way to larger ones maybe

[06:14:12]

benklop_:

ok I found em :-P

[06:15:00]

benklop_:

i realized you told me but I read over that

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benklop_:

JYA: why is there an avprobeinptformat and an avprobeinputformat2? the two would have different signatures even if they had the same name because the parameter list is different.

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JYA:

av_probe_input_format2 is an internal function of ffmpeg/libavformat

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JYA:

it allows to ignore some codecs with a score < at what was found before

[06:20:44]

JYA:

just speed up the search

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JYA:

mythtv starts with 2kB first, then 4kB, 8kB etc...

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JYA:

up to 65kB

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benklop_:

JYA: ok, got it... not supposed to be for public consumption. still seems like a confusing way to name it...

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JYA:

that's from ffmpeg

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JYA:

it's a crazy approach... ffmpeg will have a function say: av_open_file

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benklop_:

yeah

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JYA:

then they introduce av_open_file2 then av_open_file3 etc

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JYA:

after a little while, they obsolete the first version, making number2 the official way etc...

[06:22:53]

JYA:

as ffmpeg update, you get compilation warning that this call is obsolete, and one day they completely remove it

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benklop_:

... sounds like a barrel of fun

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JYA:

that's one of the issue you will face when updating ffmpeg to the latest trunk

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JYA:

most of the call to ffmpeg from mythtv (they were already marked obsolete for about 1 year) have been completely removed

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JYA:

so you have to change them all

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benklop_:

hm. wouldn't an ffmpeg wrapper that basically just remaps functions help?

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benklop_:

at least then the changes aren't sprinkled all over the place

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benklop_:

it could even check the ffmpeg version so it knows what to remap to or something

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JYA:

not always ... like now ffmpeg uses structures everywhere...

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JYA:

before used to be v(void *) on a buffer

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JYA:

there's more to it than just a wrapper.

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benklop_:

yeah.. i'm sure.

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benklop_:

just trying to get my head around it.

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benklop_:

so basically ffmpeg is incorrectly identifying this file? or is mythtv causing some of it?

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JYA:

that's mythtv.

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benklop_:

I don't see much that mythtv could be contributing here

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JYA:

well, mplayer uses the same ffmpeg and manages to play it :)

[06:29:30]

JYA:

there's more to it than just having the right ffmpeg, mythtv does a lot of work

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benklop_:

ok, i'll have to take your word for it. Honestly I'm not sure i could pick this code up and run with it until I had some kind of flow chart or something... umbrello, do your stuff...

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JYA:

yes, documentation on the code is rather "non-existent"

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benklop_:

When I write, I try to make sure I add enough comments to at least make it look like I tried

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benklop_:

JYA: so apparently the mythtv code makes an assumption that the mplayer code doesn't.

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JYA:

mplayer does things differently that's all

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benklop_:

JYA: it may be helpful, maybe not: at least once after previewing this file, I slected a different video and the preview played, but was very corrupt. after a few minutes, the frontend actually crashed. not sure if that is significant

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JYA:

i don't see how playing a file would have an affect on playing another one later

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JYA:

just a coincidence

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benklop_:

JYA: but normally previewing this file makes the frontend onable to play or preview any other files.. is that somehow differnt?

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JYA:

not sure what you're talking about...

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benklop_:

JYA: on my frontend, if I simply select that file in the recording list, mythtv tries to preview it. After it tries to do that, no other recordings will preview any more, and none will play either.

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benklop_:

JYA: every other recording will play and preview fine before

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Dibblah:

iamlindoro: Screenshots? :)

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juski:

Dibblah: even better than that, he has a video :)

[07:37:18]

Dibblah:

Of the most recent popups version?

[07:37:27]

juski:

hmmm maybe not

[07:37:37]

Dibblah:

Interested to see what that means.

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** Dibblah likes paradigm shifts :) **

[07:39:47]

juski:

heh. somebody whining about inconsistencies in mythbuntu's default theme & somebody thanked them for their contribution

[07:40:37]

juski:

http://bit.ly/14TbUN

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juski:

now, where the hell did I leave the movie times grabber script?

[07:45:04]

Dibblah:

Heh. I recognise bits of that theme, I think...

[07:49:25]

juski:

yeah I remember squeezing most of it out in 5 minutes

[07:49:44]

juski:

they changed the title graphic & little else AFAIK

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juski:

bastard google changing page layouts

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Dibblah:

Avoiding people who are breaking their terms of service? It just shouldn't be allowed.

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Dibblah:

Almost criminal, it is.

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Dibblah:

Data wants to be FREE!

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juski:

they're beginning to move towards putting movie stuff in their API by the looks of things

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah, I'll throw something together really quick, then it's off to bed (having trouble sleeping)

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iamlindoro:

Tried to get a video earlier but something about the popup version makes it go a little nuts, you'll probably get the idea though

[08:25:49]

** Dibblah has problems with your videos :( **

[08:25:57]

Dibblah:

I know why, you've explained before.

[08:26:21]

iamlindoro:

with their playback?

[08:26:26]

Dibblah:

Yeah.

[08:26:35]

iamlindoro:

I recenly tried gtkrecordmydesktop, it seems to behave slightly better

[08:30:18]

iamlindoro:

bah, still looks pretty bad

[08:30:41]

iamlindoro:

don't understand why it's such a flickery mess... presumably because it's GL, I guess

[08:30:58]

iamlindoro:

something about having multiple layers laid on top of each other seems to make it even worse

[08:31:39]

iamlindoro:

Bah, maybe you'll get the idea

[08:31:41]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/myth-theme-8.ogv

[08:32:12]

iamlindoro:

plays at insane frame rate, and there's a bunch of flickering, but you should at least get a hint

[08:35:37]

juski:

sounds like a job for the HD-PVR :D

[08:37:35]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/weather.png

[08:37:39]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/pbb.png

[08:37:42]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/videos.png

[08:37:53]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/vweb.png

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iamlindoro:

er

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/web.png

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/status.png

[08:38:04]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/movies.png

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iamlindoro:

ignore status, that's old

[08:39:22]

iamlindoro:

anyway, you get the idea, much better looking in practice, even the screenshot utility doesn't want to behave

[08:45:06]

juski:

I hate how that status screen works

[08:45:33]

superdump:

iamlindoro: why does having the screens as popups make them look better?

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iamlindoro:

superdump, (IMO) makes them much more integrated feeling

[08:49:32]

iamlindoro:

Also helps that it's never been possible before

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iamlindoro:

so it's something new to try

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superdump:

:0

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superdump:

:)*

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iamlindoro:

But I rather like it, anyway, makes the smaller plugins feel more widgetlike

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juski:

starting to dislike the way some of the stuff is going but not being prepared to do anything about it, it's only worthy of a shrug

[08:52:10]

juski:

can always stay on 0.21 :)

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iamlindoro:

juski, which stuff?

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juski:

html widgets

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iamlindoro:

ah... well, I'm not using any of those, anyway

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iamlindoro:

Everything in Graphite is all actual MythUI stuff

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iamlindoro:

and now, to sleep

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juski:

yay fixed the googlemovies grabber script AGAIN

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juski:

though it might just be easier to let somebody else break the T&Cs & translate http://hurwi.net/map/parser2xml.php?loc=m40 instead

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juski:

hmm. seems msdn has an api for grabbing movie time data etc

[10:06:59]

JYA:

benklop: I tested with your video ; and you're right. once you try playing it ; none of the other video will play anymore.. very weird

[10:12:19]

juski:

hardly. VDPAU is known to cough its guts up on some corrupt streams

[10:12:47]

JYA:

this isn't with VDPAU ...

[10:13:05]

JYA:

the player isn't even started as it can't find a decoder

[10:14:46]

JYA:

what benklop was reporting, is that if move the cursor to this particular recording, premiew doesn't show up and mythtv won't play any more videos until you restart... which I just experimented and was able to reproduce

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JYA:

as for VDPAU "known to cough its guts", that may have been true with older nvidia drivers, but from my experience, with recent drivers, it's almost as good as software decoding...

[10:19:02]

sid3windr:

almost!

[10:19:12]

sid3windr:

= not as good

[10:19:12]

sid3windr:

:>

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JYA:

because I can't be certain ... I'm yet to see a video that plays with ffmpeg but not with vdpau

[10:19:42]

JYA:

so I use "almost" :P

[10:20:18]

JYA:

I'm not sure I understand the usual hatred we can read here about VDPAU ...

[10:20:28]

juski:

still not holding my breath. I'd love it to be the silver bullet everybody else wants it to be

[10:21:14]

juski:

JYA: I can live with squiggles & artifacts. I'd be pissed if a slight glitch in a stream meant I had to reboot the box

[10:21:39]

JYA:

Been using exclusively VDPAU for several month ; it's been rock solid ... and all the latest issues seen like video artifacts and corruptions, ended up being a problem in the mythtv code, not vdpau itself

[10:22:02]

sid3windr:

:)

[10:22:12]

** sid3windr hasn't used it yet, but would be very happy if it worked **

[10:22:21]

juski:

so it's not hatred as such

[10:22:26]

juski:

doubt, is all

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JYA:

don't use 185.14.18 : this one is a nightmare, had to reboot few times a day, complete freeze

[10:22:28]

sid3windr:

don't have a need for HD at the moment yet

[10:22:48]

juski:

aka we'll believe it when we see it :)

[10:22:59]

JYA:

even without HD, you could use the software decoding, and the VDPAU rendering

[10:23:05]

juski:

true

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juski:

assuming your CPU is fast enough :)

[10:23:27]

juski:

which is why I'd probably not put all my eggs in an Ion basket

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sid3windr:

:)

[10:23:41]

JYA:

the deinterlacers are great... Even with Yadif 2X, I get a slight flickering on some videos (like watching the tennis)

[10:23:44]

sid3windr:

I'm not even sure vdpau works with my video card

[10:23:49]

JYA:

the white marking flickers a tad

[10:24:05]

sid3windr:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400 GS (rev a1)

[10:24:10]

JYA:

with VDPAU it's almost as good as what the build-in tuner of my TV does

[10:24:12]

sid3windr:

any idea from the top of your head? :P

[10:24:29]

JYA:

that's fine, that card can do it. you'll be limited to Temporal 2X in HD...

[10:24:45]

JYA:

any 8xxxx and 9xxx can do VDPAU

[10:25:02]

juski:

still can't find any comparison of heat/power consumption between VDPAU & CPU decoding

[10:25:10]

juski:

be interesting to know :)

[10:25:10]

JYA:

however, for Advanced 2X (aka Temporal Spatial), you need at least a 8600GT or a 9500GT

[10:25:52]

JYA:

there were some reports on the mythtv distribution list; overall, not much difference, around 5W to 10W less with vdpau

[10:26:20]

JYA:

I bought a E8500 (3.16 dual core) a week before vdpau came out, just so I could do HD

[10:26:29]

JYA:

bummer..

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sid3windr:

I get shudders when hearing temporal and spatial

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sid3windr:

these are the things that completely fuck up my tv viewing on my windows box!

[10:27:36]

sid3windr:

I get motion blur on my pvr150

[10:27:57]

sid3windr:

a bit like the "pointer trails" in windows 3.1, but then with people's heads

[10:28:17]

juski:

sid3windr: like an acid trip ?

[10:28:18]

JYA:

:) it's just a method of deinterlacing..

[10:28:39]

juski:

or in the case of the PVR card, a method of denoising by averaging the video signal

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JYA:

some explanations there: www.100fps.com

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sid3windr:

juski: dunno – never did do drugs; am I getting the same effect thanks to hauppauge now?

[10:29:03]

juski:

yeah

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sid3windr:

woah thanks!

[10:29:11]

sid3windr:

the card comes from my myth box where it worked perfectly btw

[10:29:11]

juski:

I dunno why ivtv defaults to having those on

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sid3windr:

nono, I didn't have a problem with ivtv

[10:29:27]

sid3windr:

I replaced the 150 with a 500

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sid3windr:

and put the 150 into my windows box

[10:29:41]

sid3windr:

where it replaces a 11-year old "wintv pci"

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sid3windr:

I suddenly have things like ((STEREO SOUND))

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juski:

so disable the DNR.. or can you not do that in the windows driver? :-P

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sid3windr:

I have not found a way yet

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sid3windr:

you have to "edit" the "directshow graph" for the "driver"

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sid3windr:

but this only lasts until you reboot

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sid3windr:

it gets better then, but still not like it should be

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juski:

eew

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sid3windr:

my thoughts exactly. :P

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th1:

JYA, I guess you had some problems with the "bleeding" build? do you have any idea when you'll put it up?

[11:49:24]

JYA:

Mark Kendall found how to solve a problem with VDPAU, so I was experimenting with that

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JYA:

it's building now

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th1:

great

[12:00:06]

th1:

so it will include Mark's fix too?

[12:00:42]

JYA:

yes, though this is not the complete fix, Mark hasn't committed it yet, he wants a nicer solution

[12:00:55]

th1:

I must say your packages really rock. I was looking for how to get framerate matching, then I found the patch, and then I realised that it is already included in your build so it workd straight away for me after I put the customrates file...

[12:01:17]

th1:

ubuntu should use your packages as default ;)

[12:01:53]

juski:

debatable

[12:01:55]

th1:

of course it would be nice, for the framerate fix, if it could automatically detect what the nvidia pseudo framerates are.. in case I change my xorg.conf I also have to change customrates

[12:03:02]

JYA:

yes, that's a downside ... there is a possibility to make this process automatic, but the solution as it is now works for my usage and to be honnest, I can't be bothered ...

[12:03:28]

th1:

well it works for me as well. I just did "xrandr -r xxx" for each of them and wrote down which one is what..

[12:03:41]

th1:

and I don't change my config very often since I have all the important modes there now

[12:04:07]

JYA:

there's an utility to do so already provded by nvidia

[12:04:27]

th1:

ok, I didn't find that :)

[12:04:37]

JYA:

was suggested by the nvidia engineers to look in the source code of it ...

[12:05:00]

JYA:

but it can only return the refresh rate after switching to that rate... it wouldn't be very elegant

[12:05:14]

th1:

if it has to switch to it anyway it doesn't help much

[12:05:21]

JYA:

imagine, rotating for all the available xrandr, and then check the real refresh rate

[12:05:30]

th1:

then you can just tail the xorg logfile while you do xrandr -r ...

[12:05:40]

JYA:

you don't need the customrate file if you have dynamic twincview disabled

[12:05:40]

th1:

yes especially if all modes are enabled

[12:06:00]

th1:

really?

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th1:

is it enabled by default?

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JYA:

the customrate is only necessary if the xrandr rate doesn't match the real rate

[12:06:30]

JYA:

like 50 = 50Hz, 51 = 60Hz etc

[12:06:49]

JYA:

if you disable dynamic twinview then 50 = 50, 60 = 60, 24= 24

[12:06:50]

th1:

yeah that's how it is for me: 1920x1080 50.0* 51.0 52.0 53.0 54.0 55.0 56.0 57.0 58.0 59.0 60.0 61.0 62.0 63.0 64.0 65.0 66.0 67.0 68.0

[12:07:02]

th1:

well then it still won't work with the non-integer rates

[12:07:09]

JYA:

but then you can't have a difference between 24Hz and 23.976Hz, in case (like me) you're pedantic

[12:07:18]

th1:

yes

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th1:

I'm still quite happy with the customrates solution

[12:07:34]

JYA:

me too :)

[12:07:55]

JYA:

need to update it for trunk, lots of things have changed , won't work with vdpau or opengl anymore

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th1:

now if only myth would play all my mkv files. there are some that have corruption in internal player but play fine in mplayer

[12:08:56]

th1:

then I would not need mplayer anymore

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JYA:

it should with my new package ...

[12:09:16]

th1:

well I can't wait to try it :)

[12:09:20]

JYA:

i'd be interested to know if there's a package that doesn't play

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th1:

I will try all my problem files and let you know

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JYA:

17.5MB of patches :)

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k-man:

anyone experiencing sporradic segmentation faults in mythfilldatabase?

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honk:

I do =)

[12:40:07]

k-man:

honk: so its not just me then?

[12:40:14]

honk:

guess not ;P

[12:41:11]

honk:

I get a few segfaults each week :]

[12:41:21]

k-man:

yeah, me too

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honk:

cba to do anything about it though

[12:41:34]

honk:

highlight me if you happen to find a solution ;P

[12:41:49]

k-man:

honk: i'm thinking to run it through strace to track it down

[12:42:00]

k-man:

i only know because cron lets me know it segfaulted

[12:42:21]

honk:

it shows in dmesg for me ;P

[12:42:46]

k-man:

honk: me too not that you mention it

[12:43:00]

k-man:

maybe i should make a ticket

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honk:

*shrug* gather some information first

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k-man:

honk: yeah – i just don't know where to start

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honk:

a "my application segfaults once in a while" bugreport is pretty useless =)

[12:44:06]

k-man:

yeah

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k-man:

agreed – but what sort of info is more useful?

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purserj:

what you were doing at the time, what error messages are being shown at the time, system configuration and so on

[12:45:23]

honk:

get a coredump and use it to get a backtrace :)

[12:45:48]

honk:

recompile mythtv with debug symbols first though

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k-man:

purserj: its run from cron

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k-man:

honk: ok – now i am in the cba category

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honk:

^_^

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honk:

aw cmon, it's not that much work, really ;P

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k-man:

i'll think about doing it

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k-man:

i might do it

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k-man:

i use the debian-multimedia .debs

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honk:

use=debug emerge -1 mythtv

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honk:

then add ulimit -c unlimited to the cronjob

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honk:

and wait for the segfault =)

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th1:

k-man, you have by any chance multicore/multi cpu machine?

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th1:

I got lots of segfaults in my mythbackend on my 2x2 core server but when I fix it to a single CPU with taskset the problems go away. Not sure if mythfilldatabase is multithreaded but if it is that could be the problem too.

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honk:

doesnt look like a race condition to me

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honk:

most of the time the segfault occurs the same address

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honk:

whatever ^_^

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k-man:

th1: no

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th1:

ok

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th1:

well I always run mythfilldatabase with --update --file <x> input.xml and that never crashes

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th1:

could be bad grabber data?

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k-man:

any idea how to enable debug symbols when compiling .debs of mythtv?

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th1:

k-man, uncomment this line in debian/rules: #CONFIGURE_OPTS += --compile-type=debug

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th1:

you probably have to comment out the one with --compile-type=profile as well

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JYA:

this line isn't in the default mythbuntu package

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JYA:

I added it. If you want to create a compile you also need to comment out the dh_strip line

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k-man:

th1: don't have that line in the mythtv-backend package

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JYA:

change the CONFIGURE_OPTS += --compile-type=profile into CONFIGURE_OPTS += --compile-type=debug

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JYA:

and comment out dh_strip

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k-man:

thanks JYA

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squish102:

if nuvexport is not working for me to convert recordings to divx, is there any other tool that I can use?

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wagnerrp:

well of course nuvexport wont encode to divx, only the divx encoders will do that

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wagnerrp:

but i assume thats not what you mean, what is your specific problem?

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cesman:

squish102, there are any scripts around to convert to various formats... Check the wiki or archives

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squish102:

wagnerrp, i run mythbuntu and so i have not compiled ffmpeg myself and i guess mythbuntu got the compile wrong as it complains about a couple things with the paramaters being passed to it (i have been working in debug mode)

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squish102:

thanks cesman, i'll look around

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wagnerrp:

but most of them are going to rely on ffmpeg or mencoder

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iamlindoro:

and it's very very unlikely that mythbuntu "got the compile wrong" and more likely they a) cannot distribute ffmpeg with the distro with certain codecs turned on or b) as happens several times a year, ffmpeg changed command line options

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iamlindoro:

or c) both of the above

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squish102:

ahh, ok

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wagnerrp:

either way, ffmpeg has no 'divx' encoder

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squish102:

i have similar problems using xvid

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squish102:

there should be no limit to using xvid, should there?

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squish102:

that is open sourced?

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** cesman needs to get on the ball and add/test more transcode scripts w/ LinHES... **

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iamlindoro:

xvid and divx are both implementations of MPEG-4 part 2, ASP

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iamlindoro:

but as I mentioned before, in january the argument could be -vcodec xvid and by march it could be -vcodec libxvidsexypants

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iamlindoro:

which is why it is essential that your nuvexport and ffmpeg revisions be matched

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iamlindoro:

as nuvexport is only known to be working with whatever version of ffmpeg it was last tested against

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squish102:

i guess i was putting too much faith in a 'sudo apt-get install nuvexport'

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wagnerrp:

if you cant trust your package manager, what can you trust...

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squish102:

haha

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iamlindoro:

Yourself, and only yourself. That's what I always say

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I tried the Graphite pop-up version and like the changes. The changes seem to leave more context to where you are and how you got there. These are aesthetic improvements more than anything else. Being able to make these changes so quickly I assume attests to the power of inheritance in the new MythUI.

[16:06:22]

RDV_Linux:

Is there a graceful way of backing out when you get the message that a section has not been themed? I tried enter, esc and all I get is a background screen with no menu. I have to eventually kill the frontend processes and restart the frontend. This only happens when I am exploring updates to Graphite.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: I assume you mean the "RECORDING_OPTIONS does not exist" error, right?

[16:07:37]

iamlindoro:

That's a non-MythUI screen that I recently figured out appears not to be in any of the fallback themes either... probably chokes everywhere (self included)

[16:08:15]

iamlindoro:

any other missing screen (and there shouldn't be any others) should fall back to default (but there shouldn't be any of those either)

[16:08:16]

RDV_Linux:

In a few of places I have received a not themed. contact the themer pop-up which I cannot back out from.

[16:08:34]

iamlindoro:

It's accessible from multiple spots, but always the same screen

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RDV_Linux:

yes

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iamlindoro:

like selecting an item in teh program guide

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RDV_Linux:

YES

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iamlindoro:

It all refers to the same myth window... yeah, it's the think above

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iamlindoro:

er thing

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iamlindoro:

I keep meaning to go back to a legacy theme and steal it until it gets mythUI'd, but all themes likely exhibit the same breakage ATM

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RDV_Linux:

Thanks for the explanation. Again, it does not effect my daily use of Graphite.

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

The changes are less inheritance and more of a combination of cut and pasted headers and me having left plenty of empty space I didn't know what to do with on most screens :), was easy to shorten windows by 100 pixels, move the buttons up 100 pixels, and have it work

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gbee:

my headers etc are all inherited, though there is no particular advantage unless I wanted to make a change to it

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: There are a couple of screens that I haven't finished the popup conversion for that are going to take a bit more thought (List View and Browse view in MythVideo) but people should at least get the idea. I'm fairly happy with the idea

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Yeah, I should have done it that way from the start, one of many things I learned to make use of too late

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RDV_Linux:

When watching your comments on how labour intensive theme creation can be. it seems there should be an easier way. Especially when most people probably only use a small number of screens. If I was to theme I would probably only do the screens that I use.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: That would make you common among themers :)

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: And there are a couple I have no intention of touching, but mostly my obsessive compulsiveness got the best of me

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gbee:

the majority of existing themes only themed the menu and changed the background colour everywhere

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iamlindoro:

Heh, look at the "Mythbuntu-wide" themes

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iamlindoro:

They are... erm... "familiar"

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RDV_Linux:

With Graphite being the most complete in the use of MythUI I would not be surprised that it becomes the reference standard for the variations like I mentioned above. In that way the other (not of interest) screens are also covered.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: god help us all ;)

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: I'm sort of loosely figuring out what I want to do with it as I go-- I am so far very fond of the popup variant of the screens, and while things are a bit rough yet, I think it will turn out pretty good

[16:19:56]

iamlindoro:

My idea if for "second-level" popups to darken the screen and pop up over everything, which I've tested in the Import DVD screens, and I like

[16:20:04]

RDV_Linux:

But I though except for Kormoc we where automatically sexy for using Graphite?

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gbee:

whatever you do, don't paint yourself into a corner, consider how a particular style would be applied throughout and not just on that first screen ...

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Didn't think I had done so

[16:21:14]

** gbee mumbles something about Terra and monkeys **

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iamlindoro:

heh

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gbee:

iamlindoro: general comment for aspiring themers

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iamlindoro:

ah

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iamlindoro:

yes, Definitely very different from my initial implementation on many many screens

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iamlindoro:

I actually *finally* have an idea on Browse view in MythVideo with this recent change

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iamlindoro:

Also got rid of the red version of the background as it was not calming at all

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iamlindoro:

And replaced all of my old image box backdrops with the shape widget

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iamlindoro:

for better or for worse-- the shape widget is painfully slow some places

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gbee:

hmm, yeah, I'm concerned about that

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RDV_Linux:

I agree about dropping the red background as I did not think it worked as well as the other backgrounds.

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gbee:

was fast enough when rendered using opengl, but now it's all drawn with QT :/

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iamlindoro:

Makes the program guide ponderous under certain conditions

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gbee:

might not release my other theme for 0.22, really want to make use of a re-written guide widget

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iamlindoro:

I look forward to anything you do with that-- it's *really* tough to deal with ATM

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gbee:

and I've already promised to port metallurgy :/

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iamlindoro:

Thoughts on what to do about core themes that have nothing but a menu-ui.xml?

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sphery:

svn del :)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

It might actually be the easiest way to get people to bring them up to snuff

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iamlindoro:

delete them, then if people are really all that in love with them, they'll be force to fix it

[16:38:35]

sphery:

yeah, it worked for Visor

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sphery:

which, despite all the people who claimed love of the theme, was unloved

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dubstar_04:

does anyone know how to pass myth.rebuilddatabase.pl all the arguments it needs without user interaction?

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dubstar_04:

nevermind

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dubstar_04:

sorted

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Nothing reads "Microsoft Outlook" like a cloud background

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sphery:

heh

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dubstar_04:

if i want to automate myth.rebuilddatabase.pl and pass the arguments to it what do you need to pass as a plain 'enter' eg --answer ?

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mattygabe:

i have a question... im using a strictly atsc-only tuner... is there any way that I can manually add channels that aren't discovered during a scan, but I sometimes have reception for?

[17:11:24]

mattygabe:

when I attempt to add a channel manually, it doesn't give me the option of ATSC as the type, only NTSC and NTSC-JP, and all of the PAL options of course

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sphery:

you need a lot more info for digital channels, which is why you scan for them

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sphery:

best bet is to scan when you have reception

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sphery:

though telling Myth when you don't have reception will be an issue

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mattygabe:

ok... so it's just so complicated to add it that they didn't even bother giving the user that option

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sphery:

so, a better bet is to make sure you always have reception or just don't use that channel in Myth

[17:13:11]

sphery:

(i.e. switch over and watch it Live through the TV's tuner, instead)

[17:14:37]

mattygabe:

i see

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sphery:

why only sometimes reception?

[17:14:57]

mattygabe:

for some reason I was under the assumption that with digital-only, adding channels would be a little less complicated

[17:15:14]

mattygabe:

im not sure... i know that in the area I get certain channels like 21.1 2 and 3, yet it never shows up

[17:15:25]

mattygabe:

i have dish network and I hook my antenna up to it, too, and it doesn't find them

[17:15:41]

mattygabe:

they may have removed the signal altogether, but I think antennaweb shows it still in the area... haven't researched it all that much

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sphery:

sounds like if the Dish receiver doesn't pick it up, either, it's either not transmitting or transmitting garbage (lacking all the tuning info)

[17:17:06]

mattygabe:

yeah, the dish hardware seems pretty straightforward that way

[17:17:54]

mattygabe:

in terms of a 24-hour timespan, are there any times that are best to scan for? or are weather conditions more indicative of better reception, do you know?

[17:18:45]

sphery:

around here, at least, just scanning during the daytime is best as some channels go off-air during parts of the night

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sphery:

Of course, when you finish setting up your digital-only Myth box at 3:00am, you can scan, but just clear it ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 ) and rescan again the next day. (That's exactly what I did.)

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mattygabe:

i see

[17:22:13]

mattygabe:

myth does seem to add new channels and disregards deleting channels it didn't find in subsequent scans

[17:22:30]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

if you know all your channels are transmitting, though, it's often better to clear the old and scan all at once to ensure consistency

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WiiN64:

i am thinking of replacing my dreambox with a mini-itx system, any thoughts? cccam support, is this part of mythtv or totally different?

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iamlindoro:

That kind of talk is unwelcome here

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WiiN64:

sry them

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WiiN64:

*then

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GreyFoxx:

cccam ?

[17:37:05]

GreyFoxx:

Some sort of softcam ?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

(so sayeth google)

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_bradd_:

does anyone know what the fanart/tv episode ticket numbers are to download the patches?

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laga:

ls

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laga:

oops

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_bradd_:

6346 and 6242?

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gunni:

Hi. Now running trunk, i got one question: I heard it should be possible to stream video files from backend without the need to create a network share. How does it work? I created the "video storage group" in mythtv-setup. What now?

[18:44:12]

iamlindoro:

now unmount any local mount and scan your videos

[18:45:34]

gunni:

iamlindoro: How do i do the scan?

[18:45:43]

iamlindoro:

M->Scan for changes

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iamlindoro:

then exit mythvideo, count slowly to 10, then reenter

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_bradd_:

hmmm...getting this errors in mythweb/video:Could not find a value in the database for the MythVideo directory for this hostname (b).

[18:47:09]

_bradd_:

b is the first letter of the hostname

[18:47:22]

_bradd_:

strange

[18:47:29]

iamlindoro:

Mythweb has no storage group support

[18:47:36]

CyberKnet:

Hmmmmm... thinking of upgrading my 4x250GB array to 4x1TB

[18:47:37]

iamlindoro:

You need to manage from a frontend

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_bradd_:

not using storage groups

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iamlindoro:

_bradd_: ah, wasn't paying attention to nicks

[18:48:05]

iamlindoro:

my mistake

[18:48:06]

gunni:

iamlindoro: Does not work ... there is one .avi and one .mp4 file in the folder.

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iamlindoro:

gunni: You've set something up wrong, then

[18:48:32]

iamlindoro:

As that's all it takes

[18:48:46]

gunni:

k, i will see if i find a mistake.

[18:49:26]

** iamlindoro wonders when someone will write a dbcheck conversion to convert existing local entries, and gut the localmount stuff **

[18:49:48]

iamlindoro:

I think it will confuse the hell out of people if it's not done for .22

[18:50:23]

_bradd_:

VideoStartupDir is set in the database

[18:51:34]

gunni:

iamlindoro: Do i need mythvideo on frontend and backend?

[18:51:50]

iamlindoro:

No

[18:52:06]

iamlindoro:

Just the SG set up on the backend

[18:53:29]

gunni:

Hmm, then i dont know. folder is correct, files are 777, and did a "scan for changes"

[18:53:45]

iamlindoro:

and you left mythvideo, waited 10 seconds, and re-entered?

[18:53:49]

gunni:

Ahhhh, they are there now

[18:53:50]

_bradd_:

even if i create the symlinks myself its not working properly. getting no cover art or plot for my videos(which is all setup in the frontend). was working till i switched to graphite and the fancy fanart stuff...

[18:54:06]

gunni:

dont know why they were not there at last try

[18:54:21]

gunni:

Maybe i should have counted to 11 :)

[18:54:23]

_bradd_:

oh wel

[18:54:35]

CyberKnet:

You think I could get away with 5400RPM drives for my RAID array, or are 7200RPM needed? PVR-500 and a HVR-2250 are the recording sources.

[18:54:58]

CyberKnet:

If I can eliminate some extra heat that wouldn't be a bad thing.

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iamlindoro:

_bradd_: mythweb videos working fine here using all of the same

[18:55:27]

laga:

not sure wh you'd need a raid in the first place ;)

[18:55:32]

_bradd_:

hmmm

[18:56:03]

CyberKnet:

laga: redundancy – I like my TV ;)

[18:56:07]

_bradd_:

how recent is your version of trunk?

[18:56:09]

** iamlindoro wagers he has the MythTV community's largest fancy metadata collection ;) **

[18:56:13]

iamlindoro:

very recent

[18:57:28]

_bradd_:

im using older versions(fairly recent but not the latest) of the fanart/tv stuff patches..maybe thats the problem

[18:57:39]

_bradd_:

its working fine in the frontend though

[18:58:09]

iamlindoro:

That stuff has no bearing on mythweb

[18:58:14]

gunni:

iamlindoro: Thx for your help

[18:58:15]

iamlindoro:

It's going to be unrelated

[18:58:19]

iamlindoro:

gunni: np

[18:58:22]

_bradd_:

thats kind of what i figured

[18:59:08]

iamlindoro:

kormoc or xris might have an idea about the message, though

[19:00:10]

sphery:

_bradd_: look at your mythweb.conf

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_bradd_:

ive looked at it

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_bradd_:

ahh..manually setting the hostname variable did seem to fix it

[19:03:44]

iamlindoro:

sphery's a clever one

[19:04:41]

iamlindoro:

_bradd_: how are the TV series stuff and Graphite working for you?

[19:04:42]

_bradd_:

fwiw it had been working without that for years

[19:04:52]

_bradd_:

its working good

[19:05:02]

iamlindoro:

good

[19:05:41]

_bradd_:

now that mythweb is working the only thing i see that is a "problem" is that none of the tv series season/episode/subtitle data shows up...

[19:06:07]

iamlindoro:

What view are you using in graphite?

[19:06:16]

iamlindoro:

oh, you mean mythweb

[19:06:18]

_bradd_:

yea

[19:06:23]

iamlindoro:

yeah, all of that is unsupported in mythweb

[19:06:24]

_bradd_:

it works great in the frontend

[19:06:40]

_bradd_:

i think im using gallery

[19:06:49]

iamlindoro:

Gallery is my fave in Graphite

[19:08:23]

_bradd_:

i am having some mythweather issues but i dont really think its related to graphite

[19:08:28]

iamlindoro:

It may be

[19:08:38]

iamlindoro:

2/3rds of the weather screens aren't themed yet

[19:08:59]

iamlindoro:

3 day forecast, current conditions, and the settings screens are the only finished screen

[19:09:00]

iamlindoro:

s

[19:09:15]

iamlindoro:

So if you do radar map, or 6 day, that will likely look like poop

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_bradd_:

ahh..that may be part of the problem..i just think mythweather in general in broken for me though..havent had a lot of time to look into it

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iamlindoro:

Real problem is that my development system can only use those screens, so theming the others means going downstairs and doing it on the TV, which sounds not fun

[19:19:12]

iamlindoro:

Plus, Mythweather is an unholy pain to theme

[19:19:25]

iamlindoro:

And I can only stomach so much at a go

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sphery:

there's always ssh -Y

[19:20:20]

sphery:

of course, that requires Qt painter, which may not work so well for you

[19:20:23]

Dagmar:

I'd code backends for it if the thing were just a tool for calling scripts to give it weather info

[19:20:49]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, for mythweather it'll work, though

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iamlindoro:

sphery: only the PBB, MythVideo, and Mythgallery are really affected by the thing than needs the GL painter

[19:21:23]

sphery:

cool

[19:21:42]

iamlindoro:

Would like to see support for negative coordinates with the Qt painter, though :(

[19:22:01]

sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

gbee, have you given any thought to those painter clipping issues? I know there is some light use of negative coordinates in Terra too

[19:23:07]

gbee:

no ...

[19:24:32]

gbee:

sure I can come up with a solution though

[19:24:40]

iamlindoro:

:)

[19:25:17]

iamlindoro:

Lord knows I'd like to have Chutt stop hating me for causing clipping issues :)

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cityLights1:

hi folks when I run myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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cityLights1:

I get this error: DBI connect('database=mythconverg:host=whitey','mythtv',...) failed: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'whitey' (111) at /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/myth.rebuilddatabase.pl line 191 Cannot connect to database ()

[19:42:51]

cityLights1:

I used the server name and not the IP address

[19:43:12]

cityLights1:

when I do mysql -h whitey -u root -p

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cityLights1:

I get ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'whitey' (111)

[19:43:35]

cityLights1:

so, what is worng in mysql ?

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sphery:

use the --dbhost argument to the script

[19:44:43]

sphery:

what's wrong is that the script is old, legacy code that's generally unmaintained :)

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cityLights1:

I am running the script on the same machine the mysql lives

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sphery:

still, use the --dbhost=localhost

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cityLights1:

ok

[19:45:56]

cityLights1:

works thanks ,

[19:46:03]

cityLights1:

I love 0.21 fixes

[19:46:12]

cityLights1:

so glad the ati issue was solved

[19:46:33]

cityLights1:

oh ya btw, you guys know hardware, I just got this question:

[19:46:34]

sphery:

yeah, stable is a good feature for a DVR system

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cityLights1:

still wish I had a clound help with 0.22

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GabrielDS_:

Hi can anyone tell me if creative infra cd rom work with mythtv?

[19:53:28]

iamlindoro:

Well there's a new one

[19:53:49]

iamlindoro:

Someone asking if their CD drive will work

[19:53:57]

Dagmar:

So long as you don't have too many infra LEDs near it

[19:54:12]

iamlindoro:

GabrielDS_: Myth doesn't have anything to do with hardware compatibility-- if it works in linux, it'll work in myth

[19:54:16]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: That's called "so lazy they won't even think for themselves"

[19:54:44]

cityLights1:

ok, assume you got a finat some of moneay, and you are building a "gamer pc"

[19:55:06]

cityLights1:

would you invest more in to a gtx260 graphics card

[19:55:15]

cityLights1:

or a amd 955 X4 cpu?

[19:55:28]

Dagmar:

Ask a ricer.

[19:55:33]

Dagmar:

Try in #Gentoo.

[19:55:39]

cityLights1:

:-)

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cityLights1:

infact this is a no related to os question

[19:56:05]

cityLights1:

the reason I am asking here is

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Dagmar:

Because you're too damn lazy to look for tha appropriate place?

[19:56:34]

Dagmar:

Neither of those bits of hardware is very suited to MythTV.

[19:56:40]

cityLights1:

that I want to know how good a reaslut an the nvidia guys do, compared to classic cpu charm

[19:56:52]

iamlindoro:

...

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cityLights1:

o

[19:56:55]

cityLights1:

sorry

[19:56:56]

iamlindoro:

Now my head hurts

[19:57:00]

iamlindoro:

from trying to translate that

[19:57:01]

Dagmar:

...and you don't speak English worth a damn so you don't get the hint.

[19:57:14]

cityLights1:

thought that VDPAU sutff is related somehow

[19:57:29]

Dagmar:

How the hell should we know

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laga:

cityLights1: can you please try to spell properly? i find it very hard to read your.. whatever you're writing

[19:57:44]

Dagmar:

Your last statement didn't make any sense.

[19:57:56]

cityLights1:

sorry again

[19:58:13]

cityLights1:

thanks for the mythtv related answers

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cityLights1:

off

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iamlindoro:

mm, reaslut

[19:59:03]

iamlindoro:

I think that's like an extra filthy slut

[20:00:33]

iamlindoro:

or at least one with a gastrointestinal problem

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AndyCap:

conslutants.

[20:13:45]

dserban:

lol

[20:14:25]

dserban:

I wanna know if a black htpc case will make my computer cooler/faster/... cooler? if I put myth on it, the VDAP will shine like charming!

[20:14:44]

laga:

need a geforce r-type as well

[20:15:16]

CyberKnet:

aah, the old Type-R sticker trick.

[20:15:20]

CyberKnet:

Almost as good as Speed Holes

[20:15:41]

iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc

[20:15:45]

iamlindoro:

That... is... awesome

[20:16:21]

iamlindoro:

So I watch the first half of that and, HTPC geek that I am, I think.. "Hey, that's a ReplayTV remote!"... but watch what happens with the remote

[20:17:15]

laga:

dude

[20:17:19]

laga:

what the FUCK

[20:17:28]

laga:

please never ever post something like that again

[20:17:52]

iamlindoro:

I think it's hilarious

[20:17:59]

iamlindoro:

What a spoiled brat

[20:18:16]

dserban:

hahaha

[20:18:21]

CyberKnet:

fake?

[20:18:22]

iamlindoro:

This is why I don't play MMOs

[20:18:38]

iamlindoro:

CyberKnet: I sorta wonder, it seems awfully well timed

[20:18:45]

CyberKnet:

Yeah

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iamlindoro:

I don't doubt for a SECOND that similar freakouts happen in real life all the time w/ canceled Xbox Live/WoW/etc.

[20:20:42]

** juski cues up another cachaca based drink :D **

[20:21:00]

iamlindoro:

juski: Lots of Latin themed beverages at your house lately

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juski:

I blame the humidity

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juski:

my wife doesn't believe it's worth going to all the effort of crushing the ice etc

[20:22:24]

juski:

I should book a day off work & make a whole pitcher

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AndyCap:

heh, makes the same noises as the dying terminator in T2

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laga:

juski: just take the pitcher to work

[20:23:46]

juski:

not when I have a 35 mile drive to get home

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iamlindoro:

laga: In a thermos? Or complete with paper umbrellas?

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juski:

anyway I don't want to get sacked. I'm just sitting quietly waiting for the end

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iamlindoro:

alcoholo distilled from sugarcane is good times

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iamlindoro:

alcohol

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juski:

rrrr. bloody youtube crappiness on my broadband

[20:25:51]

juski:

iamlindoro: yeah, safe to say I'm pretty much in my happy place at this point :)

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juski:

iamlindoro: shit. only got 1/3 of the way into that vid you linked. what happens next – does he go around & delete themes off of his web server?

[20:27:00]

iamlindoro:

juski: LOL

[20:27:42]

iamlindoro:

It's watching videos like that makes me happy I was beaten to an appropriate level as a child

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thedarkone:

anyone have a good link on making a serial ir blaster?

[20:28:04]

juski:

www.lirc.org

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Dagmar:

There's a few on the wiki

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laga:

i just ordered mine off ebay

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juski:

doesn't tell you which brand of blu-tack to use to stick the wires on though

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iamlindoro:

irblaster.info

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iamlindoro:

Or even better, sober up and realize that a nice mceusb is a much better idea

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juski:

holy cachaca batman. never known 50ml of any liquid to have such an effect, even on a work night

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juski:

mmmmkay. I really can't bear to watch any more of that vid. kinda makes 'angry german kid' look balanced

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Dagmar:

The angry german kid we at least know was pretending

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thedarkone:

iamlindoro i just need it for a backend

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iamlindoro:

thedarkone: What provider?

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thedarkone:

dish

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thedarkone:

dishnetwork

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iamlindoro:

Ah, bummer, with DTV you can use USB, and with Comcast you can almost certainly use firewire control, but Dish is tougher

[20:37:28]

iamlindoro:

IMO the mceusb (at 30 buckish) is worth the slight price premium for amount of hair saved in setup

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Dagmar:

Absolutely

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thedarkone:

well i just need it for backend

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thedarkone:

to change channels

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Dagmar:

Unless your spare time is nearly infinite, it's barely worth it to build one yourself unless you're _already very familiar_ with building them

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iamlindoro:

thedarkone: That's what I'm saying mceusb does both

[20:38:05]

iamlindoro:

receiver and blaster

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iamlindoro:

but serial will work fine, I have just always had less fortunate experiences with it

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thedarkone:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Though in truth the many tools to make lirc easy to set up did not exist the last time I had to use serial

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thedarkone:

i see

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dserban:

hmm, though I understand this is not about distros, I just want a yay or nay. Going from vanilla debian w/myth... is it worth saving the "setup" hassle going to mythbuntu?

[20:59:13]

iamlindoro:

Yes

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dserban:

Thanks. Had to kill the LVM I set up originally with 0.20... still haven't upgraded so I'm looking for something simpler. Took me months to get it "just right"

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dserban:

So I figured it's prime time to move to something simpler.

[21:01:03]

iamlindoro:

I would say that I know more bout the ins and outs of myth than the average user, and I have used (and will continue to use) mythbuntu to get the drudge work out of the way fast

[21:01:49]

iamlindoro:

Just because I can compile and set up LIRC/config files/DB backups/housekeeping stuff/minimal desktop from scratch doesn't mean I enjoy it :)

[21:02:03]

dserban:

good to hear, thanks! now, I'm perusing the site, do you know if mythbuntu has the latest .21 fixes?

[21:02:10]

kormoc:

and then there's folks like me, who use Gentoo...

[21:02:31]

dserban:

hah me neither... compile/set udev/automount settings/wireless ... wow the list is massive ... hated the setup

[21:02:37]

dserban:

and it had nothing to do with myth

[21:02:48]

iamlindoro:

dserban: Yes, there's also a repository that updates fixes weekly

[21:02:51]

dserban:

ricer? heh ... haven't used gentoo in ages

[21:03:04]

dserban:

iamlindoro: wow, stable?

[21:03:05]

** kormoc sighs **

[21:03:08]

dserban:

or ish?

[21:03:20]

iamlindoro:

dserban: fixes builds are always from the stable branch

[21:03:21]

dserban:

kormoc: heh no offence but after a while, it gets painful

[21:03:22]

kormoc:

When will people understand, Gentoo isn't about ricing out, it's about control...

[21:03:25]

iamlindoro:

so it will always be bugfixes

[21:03:34]

dserban:

iamlindoro: aye

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dserban:

nice

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kormoc:

dserban, it's only been 8 years for me, hasn't been painful yet (compared to other distros...)

[21:04:13]

kormoc:

My new job has me on a Ubuntu box, took me forever to set it up.... It's still broken in weird ways...

[21:04:26]

dserban:

kormoc: I actually respect that you have that kinda time ... I don't these days... writing letters to tenants and work gets in the way .. I just want my kid to be able to pop in a dvd... grab the remote... and watch the damned thing :)

[21:04:55]

kormoc:

Heh, I don't have the time for anything other then Gentoo, the other ditros just get in my way and slow me down...

[21:05:20]

dserban:

kormoc: aye, its is certainly about control, that's why I still use debian over ubuntu... it's too dumbed down at times, though that's what I want for the htpc... dumbed down simple

[21:06:02]

iamlindoro:

All a matter of taste and personal preference, as always

[21:06:04]

dserban:

kormoc: there's always burn out I find. I get tired of them all eventually :)

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wagnerrp:

being on a computer with no speakers probably took some of the effect of that video out

[21:06:21]

kormoc:

which is why I tend to use OS X more and more these days ;)

[21:06:22]

dserban:

as always yes, I don't mean to start anything :D

[21:06:27]

iamlindoro:

I compile myth and most of its deps too, but even doing that I find that I save a bunch of time by starting with mythbuntu

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dserban:

iamlindoro: yep and that's what I want.

[21:07:08]

dserban:

oooh... old guy in a wheelchair just got pulled over by the cops... in front of my office

[21:07:43]

dserban:

ooh eff... here come the handcuffs...

[21:08:06]

wagnerrp:

was he speeding at a break-neck 8mph?

[21:08:33]

dserban:

oh nope! cops are leaving

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kormoc:

he was running coke

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dserban:

hah no idea

[21:08:57]

wagnerrp:

i almost got a ticket the other day

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if it pisses cops off when they see a car nosedive, and then the laser reads out 54mph

[21:09:56]

dserban:

hah... nah, they just get the next guy

[21:10:12]

dserban:

funny though, I haven't seen a speedtrap around here in say about 5 years

[21:10:54]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt call it a speedtrap, so much as cop sitting on the side of the highway because hes got nothing better to do... like fight crime

[21:10:55]

dserban:

the provincial government changed and the quotas disappeared...

[21:11:26]

wagnerrp:

you know, ohio is one of the worst rated states for highway assistance

[21:12:16]

dserban:

highway assistance? what's that? :) I'm in canada though, so there aren't any "highway police" type units 'round here.

[21:12:44]

wagnerrp:

people around here think its great that CVS (a pharmacy) sponsors a 'good samaritan' program where they go around and help motorists

[21:13:17]

wagnerrp:

they dont realize that they wouldnt need such a thing if the highway cops stopped to help, rather than just sit on the side of the road with their radar

[21:13:36]

dserban:

I'm distracted... by the beach in the corner office... lots of bikinis out today

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wagnerrp:

bikinis in canada?

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dserban:

hah well ... it's all opinion though, i'm glad our cops stay out of it... though people just stop to help regardless around here.

[21:14:30]

wagnerrp:

the local polar bear club?

[21:14:33]

dserban:

dude... hotties too

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dserban:

haha, typical

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dserban:

currently 78F (had to convert that for ya)

[21:17:07]

wagnerrp:

i understand celcius

[21:19:23]

wagnerrp:

well... i dont care about C/F too much, but engineering is so much easier in a system that has a commonly used unit of mass

[21:20:12]

wagnerrp:

pound-force? pound-mass? whats this gravitational constant crap?

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dserban:

hah

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wagnerrp:

i would 78F (what is that, 25C?)... its mid 90s here

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meshe:

it's ~20C here in Vancouver

[21:23:13]

wagnerrp:

hot enough that people put clothes back on and go back inside to the air conditioning

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wagnerrp:

erm... i would love 78F

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laga:

meshe: ugh

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gbee:

it's mid-late 20s inside here, despite having all the windows/doors open, and it's dark already

[21:24:48]

meshe:

ugh? that's about the perfect temp for me

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laga:

meshe: oh. i read that as -20Â°C

[21:25:25]

meshe:

hah, we see -20C once every couple of years here

[21:25:30]

wagnerrp:

the tilda is usually longer than the minus, even if your font is so small that its a flat line

[21:25:58]

wagnerrp:

hell... even we see -20C every couple years here

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laga:

i can read the tilda just fine, i just didn't interpret it correctly

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gbee:

feels warmer, but then I spent the last two weeks in the Scottish highlands where it's considerably cooler

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** kormoc thinks that -20C isn't that often found in vancouver **

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meshe:

kormoc: i think we hit it this past winter at least once

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: thats only ~0F, thats not too cold

[21:26:46]

meshe:

it got friggin cold

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wagnerrp:

we got low single digits a couple times this year

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meshe:

-20C is cold on the coast

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kormoc:

on the west coast ;)

[21:27:47]

meshe:

the wet coast?

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iamlindoro:

-20 is a number I only see in my bank account

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gbee:

and people think the weather in England isn't great, never known it get into negative double digits

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kormoc:

on the East Coast, -20C isn't that cold at all, it's common

[21:28:23]

meshe:

the air is still damp at that temperature

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wagnerrp:

gbee: its not really cold, just dreary

[21:28:37]

sphery:

-20C would surprise a /lot/ of people in FL

[21:28:38]

iamlindoro:

It gets down to 40F here sometimes ;)

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kormoc:

%s/surprise/kill/

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sphery:

yeah, and the oranges, too

[21:29:01]

iamlindoro:

Makes a fella need a sweather or sweatshirt or something

[21:29:06]

iamlindoro:

sweater

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meshe:

when i was in Santa Clara last year I decided i could live there

[21:29:42]

** kormoc shoots firefox with a kill -9 **

[21:30:04]

kormoc:

Evidently rendering a 1.2gb html page takes a fair bit of time/memory

[21:30:15]

sphery:

heh

[21:30:19]

meshe:

lol

[21:30:20]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Just one town away-- Santa Clara is nice, but a little further up the bay is even nicer

[21:30:23]

sphery:

is that 1.2gb of JavaScript?

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iamlindoro:

meshe: Menlo Park, Palo Alto, Woodside, etc.

[21:30:37]

sphery:

(the JS proliferation on the 'net is killing my firefox)

[21:30:40]

iamlindoro:

Need $$$ for that though

[21:30:59]

kormoc:

sphery, nah, just a backtrace in cakephp's framework

[21:31:02]

gbee:

if by dreary you mean it has no extremes like those in many other regions – e.g. no ice storms, hurricanes, 40 degree scorchers, twisters, biblical floods etc

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sphery:

wow

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meshe:

iamlindoro: i flew down to SF and took the caltrain down to Silicon Valley and rode the LRT's down to Santa Clara, was a nice trip, lots of nice areas

[21:31:21]

juski:

good if you love rain though :-)

[21:31:27]

wagnerrp:

sphery: hopefully the proliferation of underpowered netbooks will curb that

[21:31:33]

meshe:

stayed at the Hilton beside Great America

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iamlindoro:

yep, midpenninsula is probably the nicest bit of that

[21:31:39]

sphery:

kormoc: that would even be a pain to open in vim ... I'm still trying to find the right args to open large files in vim.

[21:31:40]

iamlindoro:

which is where those towns I mentioned are

[21:31:47]

iamlindoro:

Heh, Great America

[21:31:56]

iamlindoro:

used to be "the place" to go all summer as a kid

[21:31:56]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, right, perhaps something good will come out of netbooks afterall

[21:32:01]

gbee:

think services.mythtv.org is aiming for similar page sizes

[21:32:22]

sphery:

1.2gb of channel icons :)

[21:32:39]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i know my laptop hasnt been usable on the internets for several years

[21:32:45]

iamlindoro:

I would love to get a big collection of channel icons with alpha going

[21:32:50]

dserban:

heh it's comfortable here, 25 ish now, though it was way colder couple days back and hot for 2 weeks prior to that... low 30's high 20's...

[21:32:58]

iamlindoro:

would be sooooo much nicer to design a theme around icons that weren't white boxes

[21:33:21]

kormoc:

Supporting channel icons only encourages the live tv idea

[21:33:25]

iamlindoro:

Moxi seems to have a source, their channel icons are all w/ alpha too

[21:33:34]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Or viewing the program guide :)

[21:33:37]

juski:

remind me what 'channels' are again...

[21:33:49]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Or using them nicely in the PBB

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I tend to baby my laptop--reducing heat strain as much as possible--so I ssh to a "real" computer for the heavy-duty work (compiling, etc.) and just use my laptop for web/mail/SDTV playback on the road. Anywmore, the web stuff is becoming a strain on it.

[21:34:02]

iamlindoro:

or using them in MythVideo with TV material

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laga:

sphery: i'm using my laptop as main dev box ;)

[21:34:21]

kormoc:

heh, I only really use the 'Search for *, filter will record, recorded, previously recorded, group by program name, subtitle'

[21:34:26]

juski:

our UK icons are all silly aspects

[21:34:30]

gbee:

kormoc: I dunno, it helps when scheduling with the guide, having a visual que is easier than reading the channel names

[21:34:38]

juski:

putting them in a square container frizzles them up

[21:34:45]

meshe:

with the advent of official iPhone tethering, my laptop has become a decent dev box again

[21:34:52]

dserban:

my laptop's an amd k6–2 475 \o/ maxed out at 192mb!! running debian happily...

[21:34:55]

meshe:

my 1000HE i should say

[21:34:56]

sphery:

laga: wow... I burned out 3 heat pipes on my first laptop, so I baby them, anymore :)

[21:35:18]

laga:

sphery: then the maker of your laptop undersized the cooling..

[21:35:39]

wagnerrp:

yeah, my laptop is basically a X-terminal anymore

[21:35:43]

sphery:

yeah, that was true

[21:35:51]

iamlindoro:

I would like to do video and audioflag parsing of MythVideo stuff

[21:35:53]

laga:

sphery: right now, i'm working on my core 2 duo box, ssh'ed to my laptop which is doing the real work – which does not produce much heat, granted :)

[21:35:55]

iamlindoro:

maybe for .23

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sphery:

and it's probably better now, but when I have a houseful of real computers just an fwknop/ssh away...

[21:36:11]

iamlindoro:

to allow MythVideo to display resolutions/codec info/etc.

[21:36:22]

juski:

I should get distcc going for my next compile trick

[21:36:38]

laga:

sphery: problem is i also need a mysql DB which happens to live on the laptop, so i just use that

[21:36:48]

wagnerrp:

ive been meaning to do that for a while now, to offload from my lower end machines

[21:36:55]

wagnerrp:

but all my higher end ones are 64-bit

[21:37:04]

wagnerrp:

and ive never gotten the cross-compile stuff to work proprly

[21:37:09]

juski:

problem is, all my boxes are running different distros :(

[21:37:17]

juski:

more work :-\

[21:37:28]

dserban:

I've been down sizing... ebay helps :) so does my local classifieds site

[21:37:39]

sphery:

I just got my brand new living-room computer--a 45W TDP processor/all-integrated mobo/4GB RAM (more than I need, but...)--and can't wait to put it in place

[21:37:40]

juski:

unless I build the same version of distcc on all the boxes. heh

[21:37:52]

meshe:

myth takes sub 15 minutes to do a full compile on my desktop/dev machine

[21:37:58]

dserban:

"Dual core Pentium III, excellent college computer $400.00" heh

[21:37:59]

juski:

and assuming I ever compile anything ever again

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i built one of those a couple weeks ago

[21:38:13]

sphery:

Will be interesting to see what TV/movies sound like without the 110dB ;) CPU fan on my current one

[21:38:17]

wagnerrp:

dual core P3 huh?

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juski:

sphery: lol

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dserban:

yep old server board

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meshe:

i thought you just put your myth boxes in another room sphery

[21:38:55]

wagnerrp:

but a dual core P3?

[21:39:04]

sphery:

meshe: yeah, all myth boxes are in another room

[21:39:08]

dserban:

The core "lingo" is in style these days it seems.

[21:39:14]

sphery:

I still have to have a "real" computer next to the couch, though :)

[21:39:24]

dserban:

Yeah it's a multi-processor board with matched p3's 1.13 ghz each

[21:39:38]

sphery:

I can't watch TV/movies without having access to the internet to look up obscure references/info on some subject/...

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wagnerrp:

i mean ive got an old dual P3 1Ghz that i use as a build box for 32-bit stuff

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sphery:

and browsing on the TV is going too far (about 8 feet too far)

[21:39:58]

wagnerrp:

but i would never call it dual core

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meshe:

sphery: that's what i use old laptops for

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dserban:

hah means the same thing ... two cores in this box :)

[21:40:18]

dserban:

imho

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meshe:

1 cable too, just power

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wagnerrp:

means two cores on one CPU package

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dserban:

Yeah I guess... never really thought it through that far ...

[21:41:32]

sphery:

yeah, I have an area rug whose sole purpose is to allow me to run the power strip/ethernet to the LRC (Living-Room Computer) and the monitor/keyboard/mouse cables all tuck in nicely between the computer case and the coffee table

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dserban:

so when you have two quad opterons in a box how many cores is it?

[21:41:52]

iamlindoro:

Dual quad core

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sphery:

(Yeah, I have wired keyboard/mouse... Won't use a wireless keyboard on any computer into which I type my password until I can control the encryption. :)

[21:42:04]

meshe:

8 cores

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meshe:

sphery: lol

[21:42:20]

dserban:

So I should list it as Dual single core?

[21:42:28]

laga:

dual cpu

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iamlindoro:

You shouldn't number the cores at all

[21:42:34]

meshe:

dual cpu or dual processor

[21:42:37]

iamlindoro:

Dual Pentium III

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dserban:

aye

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sphery:

Don't call it a Pentium III Duo, though :)

[21:42:59]

meshe:

lol

[21:42:59]

dserban:

i guess it is misleading isn't it

[21:43:04]

dserban:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Only call it that when youre posting to forums

[21:43:37]

dserban:

Show a pic of the r-type sticker on the side of the case?

[21:43:48]

iamlindoro:

Show them the spoiler and the racing stripe

[21:43:54]

iamlindoro:

and the modified exhaust

[21:43:56]

meshe:

if you want to laughed at for not knowing computer terminology ;)

[21:44:19]

dserban:

well I know the lingo, just munged it up...

[21:44:34]

dserban:

"Check out my 140mm exhaust.. this baby ggggrrrrooowwwwls"

[21:45:10]

iamlindoro:

Make sure you show on the NO2 injectors

[21:45:13]

iamlindoro:

er show off

[21:45:16]

Dagmar:

Tell 'em you have an engine cooler from a cessna cooling it

[21:45:23]

juski:

ahhh baked bean tin exhaust extensions :P

[21:45:25]

sphery:

iamlindoro: "Mythweb – Videos Scan Collection button" on -users list (2 copies of videos in MythVideo scan)... Think trunk?

[21:45:29]

meshe:

speaking of that, just got a vehicle today, haven't had one in 2 years, time to continue work on the carputer

[21:45:32]

juski:

they go well with blue LED rings too

[21:45:38]

laga:

meshe: jealous.

[21:45:51]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I looked at it for a long minute wondering that same thing, then realized if it is and if they didn't pay attention, I don't care

[21:46:00]

sphery:

heh

[21:46:24]

meshe:

laga: it's a camperized van, picked it up in great running order and cheap

[21:46:27]

sphery:

other than an ln -s . data, I don't see how one could do that in -fixes

[21:46:33]

laga:

meshe: even more jealous.

[21:46:42]

dserban:

cessna hehe..

[21:46:53]

dserban:

meshe: molestervan!

[21:47:02]

meshe:

funny thing, it's a year younger than me

[21:47:04]

meshe:

'77

[21:47:18]

** sphery feels old **

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iamlindoro:

Anyone see the Daily Show episode a few weeks ago with the "Pontiac Molester?"

[21:47:35]

kormoc:

Yeah

[21:47:40]

laga:

sphery: i'm '87. feeling older now? :)

[21:47:44]

dserban:

i'm working on an atom board for my truck... what a pain in the ass... i ripped up the truck and I lost interest... gotta get back to it heh

[21:48:00]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: I cracked up at that-- love that show

[21:48:06]

sphery:

laga: eh? What's that, sonny?

[21:48:12]

Dagmar:

I'm still looking for a *simple* digital potentiometer with a 20K limit

[21:48:16]

meshe:

i'm *half* tempted to use an iphone 3g for it ;)

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Dagmar:

meshe: Not actually a bad idea

[21:49:04]

iamlindoro:

The iPhones really do do most of what people would expect from a carputer

[21:49:05]

meshe:

already has gps, internet, phone, speakerphone, music, touch interface...

[21:49:08]

sphery:

meshe: could use an Openmoko FreeRunner. Now that the idea's basically community owned, they could use all the help you could give them :)

[21:49:08]

Dagmar:

I've got a scooter so I'm using an Arduino

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meshe:

now if i didn't pay $6/MB when i was in the states...

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sphery:

at that rate, it's almost cheaper to get 2 accounts--one in each country

[21:50:56]

meshe:

yeah, and they did just unlock the 3G on 3.0.... good point sphery

[21:51:13]

meshe:

either that or 2 iphones...

[21:51:46]

sphery:

Why Openmoko needs your help: http://www.h-online.com/open/Openmoko-involve . . . /news/113328 / http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2009-May/000193.html

[21:52:07]

meshe:

i'll look into that

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laga:

sphery: do you regularly reed h-online.com?

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phunyguy:

lol age..

[21:52:33]

phunyguy:

since it was brought up

[21:52:37]

phunyguy:

<--- '80

[21:52:39]

laga:

s/reed/read/

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phunyguy:

1980 that is

[21:52:50]

sphery:

laga: no... just got that from a google for the announcement

[21:53:13]

sphery:

is it worth reading?

[21:53:17]

laga:

sphery: ah, k. it's the english branch of one of the best german It web sites

[21:53:30]

sphery:

interesting

[21:54:01]

laga:

so it might be worth following. i usually just read the german equivalent ;)

[21:54:11]

sphery:

I was a Reg reader, then followed McGee to the Inq, but it's changed a lot (especially lately)

[21:54:12]

laga:

for non-equivalent values of equivalent

[21:54:19]

meshe:

ala slashdot.org/theregister.co.uk?

[21:54:24]

sphery:

so I've been kind of just ignoring it all

[21:54:39]

laga:

meshe: more like thereg

[21:54:50]

juski:

el reg has got very Zzzzz

[21:55:08]

sphery:

yeah... I stuck with it for a while after the great split, but lost interest.

[21:55:36]

wagnerrp:

why exactly is the reg so biased against nvidia?

[21:55:38]

meshe:

my reg rss feed is more interesting than my slashdot feed, imo

[21:55:39]

sphery:

The Inq seems to be suffering a lack of writers/editors--likely due to a lack of money

[21:56:04]

juski:

never read /.

[21:56:24]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Probably because their reporters are ATI fans

[21:56:28]

sphery:

the biggest problem with reg/inq is figuring out what's real and what's just bias/agenda

[21:56:34]

meshe:

i still like /.

[21:56:59]

meshe:

i take the reg with a few grains of salt

[21:57:11]

sphery:

yeah... quite a few

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sphery:

I liked it because it was a different perspective, but you still have to read it with the same discriminating eye as any other media

[21:58:28]

sphery:

though kind of the opposite discrimination that you have to use with US (paid-for-by-our-sponsors) media :)

[21:58:42]

meshe:

yeah, if something i read anywhere online is important to me i find other sources to get a bigger picture

[21:59:14]

juski:

funny, but this channel is very pro-nvidia :P

[21:59:39]

wagnerrp:

well linux users in general who arent caught up on the whole 'open source' thing are very pro-nvidia

[21:59:47]

iamlindoro:

I'll happily recommend Intel once ffmpeg-mt gets merged if all goes as planned

[22:00:08]

iamlindoro:

In fact, if all you need is to play broadcast, intel works great

[22:00:14]

meshe:

and i'll still buy nvidia

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sphery:

I think 3dfx is the way of the future

[22:00:30]

wagnerrp:

sphery: so that would be... nvidia again?

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sphery:

no, I mean classic Voodoos

[22:01:04]

phunyguy:

out of my limited experience, nvidia is and always will be win.

[22:01:06]

juski:

need to know how cool/quiet H.264 player boxes can be – e.g. GPU vs CPU decodering

[22:01:15]

phunyguy:

lol i still have a voodoo3 in use

[22:01:17]

juski:

*without* water cooling

[22:01:20]

** meshe realized the other night that her desktop couldn't handle an 8800 GT :S **

[22:01:39]

sphery:

caps in the way or something?

[22:01:41]

wagnerrp:

juski: all depends on what you want to play

[22:02:06]

meshe:

PCIE 1.0 system bus PCIE 2.0 card

[22:02:07]

juski:

wagnerrp: duh I know :)

[22:02:23]

juski:

wagnerrp: for the sake of argument, say stupid high bitrate bluray junk

[22:02:25]

meshe:

my mobo has both AGP and PCIE slots

[22:02:31]

sphery:

the GPU is probably lower-power, but as for cool/quiet... well, what cooling is being used for the GPU/CPU?

[22:03:16]

wagnerrp:

juski: you could probably make something fairly quiet on a C2Q

[22:03:16]

juski:

GPUs would generally be talking about fanless boards

[22:03:16]

sphery:

meshe: ahhh. and 2.0 won't fit in a 1.0 (working as 1.0, obviously)?

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sphery:

that should be quiet

[22:03:26]

wagnerrp:

undervolt it a bit, get a big heatsink and 1/2 slow fans

[22:03:31]

wagnerrp:

maybe some fancy ducting

[22:03:33]

meshe:

they fit, the system just won't power up

[22:03:39]

juski:

and with the CPU depends on what kind of case you put it all in I guess

[22:03:41]

sphery:

interesting

[22:03:48]

meshe:

put my old 7950GT back in and it fires up fine

[22:03:49]

sphery:

I figured they'd make it backwards compatible

[22:03:53]

wagnerrp:

i would probably be inaudible, but i doubt you could do it with one of those slim cases

[22:03:56]

phunyguy:

you can get those big round heatsink with slow moving 120mm fans in them

[22:04:03]

meshe:

2.0 is backwards compatible to 1.1

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meshe:

not 1.0

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sphery:

ah

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phunyguy:

again – not in a slim case though

[22:04:21]

sphery:

so, like AGP--which, IIRC, split at 4x

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meshe:

yeah i think so

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juski:

maybe I'll just build a big fugly box & run cables into the lounge

[22:05:01]

sphery:

other room ftw!

[22:05:04]

iamlindoro:

juski: Works surprisingly nicely :)

[22:05:05]

juski:

cheaper than trying to make a small attractive, quiet box

[22:05:15]

meshe:

oh well, building a new gaming system next year, i'll throw a GTX 275 in

[22:05:21]

iamlindoro:

Especially if you run through the wall and put in sexy wall plates

[22:05:24]

juski:

since there may as well be no length restriction on HDMI cables

[22:05:26]

sphery:

an invisible case is /so/ much prettier than any other out there

[22:05:30]

iamlindoro:

very "pro install" looking

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juski:

15 metres :)

[22:05:32]

phunyguy:

wall plates rule

[22:05:39]

phunyguy:

i did one for my srround setup

[22:05:46]

juski:

make my own wallplates :)

[22:05:49]

phunyguy:

speaker wires

[22:06:03]

phunyguy:

with a wallplate at each speaker

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phunyguy:

(in back)

[22:06:19]

juski:

not enough hollow walls in my house to make it worthwhile

[22:06:25]

juski:

until we rewire

[22:06:30]

phunyguy:

in front they are snug up to the plasma TV with the wires running behind the TV and into the same hole in the wall that the TV cables go through

[22:06:30]

wagnerrp:

meshe: next year, there will probably be cheaper/better options than 275

[22:06:50]

meshe:

i just stapled the wires to the walls ceiling for my surround setup

[22:06:51]

phunyguy:

but one big wallplate for the speaker wire inputs

[22:06:59]

meshe:

wagnerrp: yeah, probably

[22:07:11]

phunyguy:

yeah i was thinking abotu that, but then started thinking – this is MY house

[22:07:14]

phunyguy:

not renting anymore

[22:07:24]

meshe:

my husband has a 275, seems he can play pretty much everything he throws at it

[22:07:27]

phunyguy:

so i just hopped in the attic and ran the cables using fishtape

[22:07:28]

wagnerrp:

as it is, dont the ATI cards actually have the edge on perf/price?

[22:07:41]

phunyguy:

in linux wagnerrp?

[22:07:42]

meshe:

phunyguy: i don't rent either

[22:07:56]

meshe:

wagnerrp: i'm more of a fan of nvidia

[22:08:01]

wagnerrp:

phunyguy: well no one bothers to benchmark in linux

[22:08:11]

phunyguy:

i always have the worst of luck in linux with ATI

[22:08:18]

phunyguy:

runs like molasses in january

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phunyguy:

with the proper drivers

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meshe:

got my husband the GForce 3D Vision Steroscopic thing so he needs to stick to Nvidia

[22:08:49]

wagnerrp:

of course theres the question of what are you doing trying to game in linux

[22:08:56]

wagnerrp:

its almost as bad as gaming on a mac

[22:08:56]

phunyguy:

in fact – i had a GeForce 8600 in here that died, stuck a temp ATI 128 meg PCI card in to get me going....

[22:09:03]

phunyguy:

expected that to be bad....

[22:09:12]

phunyguy:

it was...

[22:09:21]

phunyguy:

then stuck a 64 meg old GeForce MX-type card in

[22:09:26]

phunyguy:

runs 1000x better

[22:09:36]

phunyguy:

and as for gaming in linux

[22:09:41]

meshe:

hehe

[22:09:45]

phunyguy:

i refuse to use windows...

[22:09:47]

wagnerrp:

its a shame those 3D monitors are still ridiculously expensive, i dont much like shutter glasses

[22:10:02]

phunyguy:

and wine plays most games quite well.

[22:10:11]

phunyguy:

anything i play anyway

[22:10:13]

wagnerrp:

phunyguy: a PCI card?

[22:10:17]

phunyguy:

but i am more of a quake3 fan

[22:10:22]

phunyguy:

yes wagnerrp

[22:10:26]

phunyguy:

regular old PCI

[22:10:27]

meshe:

the shutterglasses work amazingly well at 120hz

[22:10:29]

phunyguy:

its all i had on hand

[22:10:37]

wagnerrp:

and youre expecting any amount of performance with that?

[22:10:38]

meshe:

but i'm not spending $700 on it for me

[22:11:38]

meshe:

yet i'm spending about that on the new iPhone next week for me *shrugs*

[22:12:17]

wagnerrp:

weve got one of these at work... http://www.pcworld.com/article/117303/sharp_s . . . monitor.html

[22:12:27]

phunyguy:

i at least expect 2 stuff to work /OK/

[22:12:33]

wagnerrp:

works better than even our polarized dual-projector system

[22:12:34]

phunyguy:

2D*

[22:12:44]

phunyguy:

like small youtube videos

[22:12:48]

wagnerrp:

shame that its so resolution though

[22:12:48]

phunyguy:

or the like

[22:12:54]

phunyguy:

but with the ATI card its like 1FPS

[22:13:03]

phunyguy:

MAYBE 2

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phunyguy:

runs fine with the geforce

[22:13:27]

wagnerrp:

so low resolution

[22:13:35]

phunyguy:

with half the video ram

[22:13:42]

phunyguy:

and still a PCI card

[22:13:57]

meshe:

wagnerrp: i can't wait to see that tech in big tv's

[22:14:35]

meshe:

hows the viewing angle on it?

[22:15:01]

wagnerrp:

terrible

[22:15:12]

wagnerrp:

well... you can see it from an angle just fine

[22:15:25]

wagnerrp:

but the 3D effect only works in a couple well defined areas

[22:15:35]

meshe:

yeah, i figured

[22:15:40]

meshe:

basically straight on

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wagnerrp:

in both angle and distance

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wagnerrp:

an inch or two in either direction and it throws off the effect

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meshe:

that's a good benefit of the shutter glasses, they work in my husband's setup at over 60 deg angle ie: from my desk

[22:17:52]

wagnerrp:

apparently its set up in some refraction pattern, there are 5 areas where you can pick up the effect

[22:18:22]

meshe:

makes sense

[22:18:49]

meshe:

those new LED tv's are looking nice 240Hz :)

[22:19:37]

wagnerrp:

i think games should just be programmed with autostereogram output

[22:20:30]

meshe:

i think that's sortof how the nvidia system "just works" on most 3d games, the 3d data was already available

[22:20:43]

wagnerrp:

im sure it works nothing like that

[22:20:46]

wagnerrp:

magic eye FTW

[22:21:03]

meshe:

magic eye?

[22:21:18]

wagnerrp:

ever seen mall rats?

[22:21:24]

meshe:

yes

[22:21:36]

meshe:

ahhhhh

[22:21:38]

wagnerrp:

you know the schooner... aka sailboat? same thing

[22:21:45]

meshe:

yeah

[22:21:52]

meshe:

hmmm

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meshe:

I was pretty sure they were able to get the data from Direct3d, i'd heard something to that effect somewhere before

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Dagmar is now known as Your

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wagnerrp:

IRC does not like spaces

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Your is now known as Dagmar

[22:27:48]

Dagmar:

It likes them fine

[22:28:01]

Dagmar:

You forgot the preceding colon.

[22:28:58]

wagnerrp:

is that some kind of 'ass' reference?

[22:29:18]

Dagmar:

Depends on whether or not you read the RFC

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wagnerrp:

seems he has escaped to the real world

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iamlindoro:

Does anyone in UK land have a screenshot of their EPG? Any theme is fine, but trunk would be better

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iamlindoro:

Heh, Graphite's weather with all these other screens isn't too far off...

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superdump:

iamlindoro: i can make one

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iamlindoro:

superdump, That'd be appreciated, thanks

[22:54:01]

iamlindoro:

superdump, Trying to ascertain where the fundamental channel naming differences are so I can figure out what liberties I can take in the guide

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superdump:

iamlindoro: http://www.swains.plus.com/superdump/images/mythtv-guide.png

[22:58:44]

iamlindoro:

superdump, Awesome, thanks, that means my "cheat" while the new program guide is unfinished will work. Thanks a ton

[22:59:14]

superdump:

do you check your changes into trunk or are you maintaining them elsewhere at the moment?

[22:59:20]

superdump:

i'll try it out if you like

[22:59:40]

iamlindoro:

I host them-- you are running trunk, right?

[22:59:45]

superdump:

yup

[22:59:57]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/graphite.tar.gz

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iamlindoro:

Only things to know are you will need to install the included font systemwide, and you will need to use the GL UI painter

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jpabq:

One thing that has always bugged me about "the guide", is it does not show the start/end times for the currently selected show. If I used the guide more, I would have to fix that.

[23:01:48]

iamlindoro:

jpabq, All the pginfo should be available in the guide, so it's likely just a theme thing

[23:02:53]

jpabq:

could be. Although I have not seen a single theme which includes it.

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iamlindoro:

I'll get it in there and let you know

[23:05:04]

jpabq:

iamlindoro: on the PBB, I remember you explaining why the "1080p", "DD" icons where not grouped with the others (at the bottom), but now I can't remember the reason....

[23:05:40]

iamlindoro:

jpabq, Partially a space thing, partially a taste thing

[23:05:55]

iamlindoro:

status of the recording is in the bottom, it's audio and video properties at the top

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jpabq:

ok. I was afraid of it being a space thing. I would like to squeeze a recording groups list on that screen, but the only place I see any extra space is in the description area between the subtitle, and channel/date/time info. Vertically squeezing that box is an option, but would probably ruin the aesthetics.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, When you brought it up last time, my plan was to make it a vertical list parallel to the group list

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iamlindoro:

probably just above it, with the title list moving down

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iamlindoro:

and probably the recordings moving down a bit too

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iamlindoro:

but likely it'd be something I'd play with a bit before I was happy

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iamlindoro:

you could push someone to commit it for you and then I'd be forced to solve the problem :)

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jpabq:

I would be nice if it was committed, but it does not look likely. gbee tagged it for 0.23.

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jpabq:

Even if it was committed, you would not be forced to do anything. When I wrote it, I made sure that it worked even if the theme did not support it.

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iamlindoro:

I'll try to support as much as my patience allows :)

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jpabq:

If the theme does not support it, you just don't get any visual indication of which rec group you are in.

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iamlindoro:

I may not get to it this week, and am out of town next week, but when I get back I'll take a look

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iamlindoro:

Trying to polish off the rest of the popup-style conversion before the end of the week, then I'll get more ambitious when I come back (and maybe I'll be playing catch-up with MythUI commits)

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jpabq:

Cool. Hopefully gbee is rejuvenated, and feels like working on MythUI again.

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** kormoc writes myth-popup-blocker **

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jpabq:

LOL!

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iamlindoro:

Heh, that'll never work, Mythbrowser is a popup :)

[23:56:19]

iamlindoro:

(joke0

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iamlindoro:

)

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sphery:

MythBrowser has blocked a popup window (itself).

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sphery:

hey, kormoc , as you seem to know a thing or two about Google...

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** kormoc gets out his dusty tome of all goowledge **

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sphery:

Do you know how we could get them to do the site-specific search/"I feel lucky" capability they have for things like "imdb Castaway" or "wikipedia MythTV" but for themoviedb.org and thetvdb.com?

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sphery:

I'm assuming they have done site-specific functionality for that

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sphery:

but if you do something like, "themoviedb 100 Million BC" the top hit/"I feel lucky" gives you the "time travel" page

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kormoc:

So "I'm feeling lucky" is purely hitting the first search result

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