Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, June 21st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

at least that they can do something about themselves :)

[00:00:43]

RDV_Linux1:

I would tell them that Jamu can help with the mass update for meta data plus graphics.

[00:01:39]

sphery:

yeah, but if myth doesn't support it (banners and posters and covers and ... whatever new stuff iamlindoro showed off in his theme videos)

[00:01:56]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Well, myth *does* support it

[00:02:09]

iamlindoro:

doesn't support Season/Episode/Subtitle in mythvideo yet, but the images are all supported

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sphery:

ahh, yeah

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Woosta:

Hmm .. still no scanning log message that it's found anything .. and it's 40% done

[00:02:37]

sphery:

and mv can be themed for them already?

[00:02:48]

sphery:

thought it was just placeholders committed so far

[00:02:52]

iamlindoro:

Yes

[00:03:02]

iamlindoro:

no, not just placeholders, all the DB fields are there

[00:03:07]

sphery:

Woosta: wait 'til the end before you call it a failure

[00:03:15]

Woosta:

OK ..

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sphery:

cool... need to start up mv on my dev box to see

[00:03:35]

sphery:

with a good theme, that is

[00:03:38]

Woosta:

Would be really nice if this sort of channel scan data could be distributed somehow ..

[00:06:36]

** iamlindoro wonders how the channel groups got in without a MythUI screen **

[00:07:38]

laga:

iamlindoro: we have channel groups now? nice

[00:07:44]

iamlindoro:

laga, yar :)

[00:08:05]

laga:

so people can have their bouqets

[00:08:05]

iamlindoro:

Hmm

[00:08:19]

iamlindoro:

custom priority screen has a default clause called "avoid poor signal quality"

[00:08:34]

laga:

does it work?

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iamlindoro:

maybe we were all wrong about the question a bit ago not being possible?

[00:08:40]

iamlindoro:

dunno

[00:11:49]

sphery:

iamlindoro: IIRC, the screen needs to appear on top of mythui'ed screens and non-mythui'ed screens, so it can't be converted, yet

[00:12:12]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I'm speaking of the config screen for it

[00:12:31]

sphery:

yeah, I think it comes up on some non-mythui'ed screens, too

[00:12:47]

sphery:

because of editing groups while in tv or something

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iamlindoro:

hmm.. ok

[00:13:12]

sphery:

the avoid poor signal quality just prevents recording on the poor signal channel

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sphery:

(but I guess you were just joking?)

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iamlindoro:

wasn't joking, just didn't know anything about it-- over time it could sort of accomplish a good effect I guess

[00:14:31]

sphery:

what was the question a bit ago, then (or about when?)

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iamlindoro:

re: having myth tell you if a recording was bad due to poor signal quality

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sphery:

but that example just lowers priority of that channel

[00:16:18]

iamlindoro:

right, just pointing out that if myth can determine it and lower priority, you could hook in and add other notifications for same

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sphery:

cardinput.cardinputid = 1 AND channel.channum IN (3, 5, 39, 66)

[00:16:29]

sphery:

no, you determine it and list the channels

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iamlindoro:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

suck

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iamlindoro:

yeah, just fix the signal then

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sphery:

you had me worried when you said you might be wrong

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sphery:

I'm glad you were mistaken, though

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iamlindoro:

many people are when I'm mistaken ;)

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sphery:

well, the iamlindoro I know is never wrong, so I didn't want to ruin his record

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

you must just not be listening closely enough ;)

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sphery:

heh, maybe I only listen when you're right.

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laga:

which would be OK if everyone did that ;)

[00:19:15]

laga:

bed time for me, g'night ;)

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sphery:

really, it would save a lot of confusion

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iamlindoro:

so the shape widget is rullllllah slow

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sphery:

So, I'm watching a DVD of a sci-fi B movie (or worse), and all the previews are obvious rip-offs of big-name movies... Alien vs Hunter (guess what that ripped off), Monster (rip off of Cloverfield), War of the Worlds 2 (sequel to the Jun 28, 2005 rip off of the Jun 29, 2005 WotW with Tom Cruise), and I Am Omega (I Am Legend/Omega Man)

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sphery:

I just hope watching the movie is as entertaining as watching the previews

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Woosta:

Gah! Nothing!

[00:31:23]

Woosta:

No wonder people give up on myth and just use Kaffiene

[00:31:53]

iamlindoro:

Myth and Kaffeine don't even do the same thing

[00:32:05]

iamlindoro:

That's like giving up on dogs and having a building as a pet

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sphery:

Woosta: the user running mythtv-setup has proper permissions to the devices?

[00:32:37]

Woosta:

I want to watch TV.

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iamlindoro:

If you're it it to watch TV live, you should just go use Kaffeine

[00:33:58]

Woosta:

sphery: what permissions are needed?

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sphery:

rw on contents of /dev/dvb/adapter# and rwx on /dev/dvb and /dev/dvb/adapter

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sphery:

I mean rx on the dirs

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Woosta:

Hmm .. myth is in the right group, but my user isn't

[00:35:59]

Woosta:

I'm running setup from a console, so I guess it's running as me

[00:36:05]

Woosta:

and so doesn't have the perms it requires

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sphery:

usually you want to run it as the user who runs mythbackend

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sphery:

because there are config files put in $HOME/.mythtv that need to be there for the backend

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Woosta:

oh

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Woosta:

heh

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sphery:

so if you use a different user, that's just one more HOME you need to set up

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sphery:

on the bright side, this may mean that you can reduce your timeouts to defaults :)

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Woosta:

heheh

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sphery:

3000 and 5500 were defaults, in case you forgot

[00:38:27]

Woosta:

Hmm how does myth run as myth when display:0 is owned by me?

[00:39:18]

Woosta:

Actually .. looks like all the data is in my ~

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Woosta:

so I'm guessing it does run as me

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sphery:

probably mythfrontend runs as you?

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Woosta:

trying again with defaults now I'm in the video group

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sphery:

what distro?

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Woosta:

mythbuntu

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sphery:

doesn't mythbackend run as root on *buntu?

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Woosta:

I think so

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sphery:

either way, being in the video group should work

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sphery:

just remember you may need to set up ~root/.mythtv

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Woosta:

OK, there's now channels in the channel editor .. but I don't think it's from a scan, it's the ones I selected from the tv-grab

[00:53:31]

Woosta:

When I run front-end, and Watch TV, it flickers black and back to the menu

[00:53:37]

Woosta:

In the console I have: TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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sphery:

if they're not from the scan, you won't have enough info to tune them

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Woosta:

For which I find dozens of results on Mr Google

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sphery:

might want to reset it and start over: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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** Woosta looks **

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sphery:

just need to do the video source part

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Woosta:

OK, done .. but it still finds nothing

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sphery:

I'm out of ideas

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Woosta:

Yeah, I'm out of patience

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Woosta:

Two hours and nada

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Woosta:

Why can this sort of thing not just be distributed rather than scanned for by every user?

[01:04:50]

wagnerrp:

distributed to the 1–2 people that might get your same specific lineup?

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sphery:

and redistributed each time it changes :)

[01:06:54]

Woosta:

Obviously I'm missing something coz I mean the scan data. Surely everyone round here has the same channels available?

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sphery:

but how many people around there use Myth?

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wagnerrp:

OTA might not change frequently

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wagnerrp:

but cable certainly does

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iamlindoro:

I... think I finished all these freaking screens

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wagnerrp:

cablecos are likely to change channel layouts on a whim

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wagnerrp:

because their boxes get updated automatically

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sphery:

iamlindoro: did you do MythSudoku, yet?

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wagnerrp:

and they couldnt care less about people using QAM tuners in their computers or TVs

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iamlindoro:

D'oh!

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Woosta:

This is all for OTA .. here in .au OTA is the main source of TV

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wagnerrp:

i know my layout has changed half a dozen times since i started using digital cable about a year ago

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Woosta:

There's a pay tv provider, but hooking myth up via an IR to that would certainly be fairly unusual

[01:08:57]

wagnerrp:

with OTA, everyone is going to have a different scan

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sphery:

and mine--an OTA layout--has changed at least 2x (as I operated with it wrong for quite some time because I didn't care about the channels I lost)

[01:09:14]

wagnerrp:

your neighbor might have a bigger antenna, and might get a station from the next city over

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Woosta:

Not in .au

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wagnerrp:

maybe someone has a directional antenna, and just ignore stations behind them

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nambo:

my antenna is huge

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sphery:

antenna-gap

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nambo:

any women here wanna see?

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nambo:

hehe jk

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sphery:

(like missile gap or tunnel gap--for those Slim Pickens fans :)

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wagnerrp:

maybe there are just a handful of mythtv users in australia

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wagnerrp:

sphery fails

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Woosta:

If I can find a local myth user, is there anythin I can ask him/her for?

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** wagnerrp starts build up a mine shaft gap **

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Woosta:

a dump of the channels table?

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sphery:

need more than channels

[01:11:10]

sphery:

lots of interrelationships

[01:11:43]

sphery:

but they're all described at: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . fixes/mythtv :)

[01:12:24]

sphery:

If your initials are gcc, you should be able to parse it pretty well--with some help from your friends qmake and make

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wagnerrp:

that was almost as bad as the failed strangelove reference

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sphery:

OK, I don't get it. This movie is called 100 Million BC, but they only went 70 million years back in time.

[01:16:40]

wagnerrp:

yeah, and no raquel welch

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sphery:

guess I need to re-watch Dr. Strangelove, too. Tunnel/mineshaft--close enough.

[01:17:22]

sphery:

yeah, they went about 69M years too far, so they'll miss her

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wagnerrp:

is this one of the Sci-Fi channel made-for-tv films?

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sphery:

I think it may be a straight-to-dvd movie

[01:18:23]

sphery:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136683/ + http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/16123

[01:18:47]

sphery:

google really needs to get tmdb indexed like imdb (so that you can say themoviedb 100 million bc and go straight to the movie page)

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wagnerrp:

oddly, that search turns up the 'time travel' tag on tmdb

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I tagged it time travel, so it's on the time travel page

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wagnerrp:

thats a function of the robots.txt, not anything google does, isnt it?

[01:20:51]

wagnerrp:

i mean doesnt google have tools for web admins to program google?

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sphery:

don't know

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sphery:

robots.txt can say not to index certain parts, but didn't know of any other info it can provide

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wagnerrp:

i thought there was some way you could give google a layout of your site, and it would more intelligently spider it

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sphery:

(and I know very little of robots.txt, so it's quite possible there's more to it)

[01:22:47]

wagnerrp:

and provide other things, like the top imdb entry when you search for 'imdb.com

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sphery:

I should talk to xr is and/or kor moc--as they seem to know a lot about the inner googlings

[01:23:36]

sphery:

see if they know how to get it fixed up for tmdb

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I try to release Graphite and my hosting decides to act stupid, can't get to my ftp

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iamlindoro:

wonder if it's a sign

[01:23:57]

iamlindoro:

Can anyone else get to http://www.fecitfacta.com/green.png ?

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wagnerrp:

here we go... not robots.txt, but something similar... http://www.sitemaps.org/protocol.php

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sphery:

iamlindoro: got it (both from cache and from website)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, thanks

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wagnerrp:

works here... but thats not an ftp link

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iamlindoro:

DNS issue then

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sphery:

wow... protocol.php

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wagnerrp:

?

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sphery:

oh. thought that you used a file called protocol.php

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sphery:

I see it, now

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wagnerrp:

no, just seems to be a way to let you tune crawling frequence

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sphery:

I'll ask the mythweb gurus about it

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wagnerrp:

perhaps google themselves writes a custom search response

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wagnerrp:

for larger sites

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sphery:

That's what I had always assumed.

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sphery:

kind of like their "define:ebullient" or "movie:Cast Away" or whatever

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sphery:

but tailored to an existing site

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Woosta:

OK, so `scan` that creates a channels.conf works. But myth's import doesn't.

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, theres some issue with DVB channels.conf files and mythtv's importer

[01:35:10]

wagnerrp:

so apparently the US is at '60% broadband penetration'

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wagnerrp:

what does that even mean?

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Woosta:

I don't mean to harp on .. but it astounds me that myth is the media-center of choice for linux, but it's the only thing that seems to have trouble scanning.

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sphery:

I've never had trouble scanning with it.

[01:36:01]

sphery:

Could be misconfigured.

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wagnerrp:

i have to believe a large chunk of the population doesnt want broadband, or is perfectly happy with dialup

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wagnerrp:

or no internet at all

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sphery:

Could be a regional issue (for which you need to speak to some other people in your area/read posts in the archive or wiki pertaining to your area)

[01:37:19]

sphery:

archive: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ and wiki: http://wiki.mythtv.org/

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/graphite.tar.gz

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iamlindoro:

Get it while it's hot, trunk users

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iamlindoro:

GL PAINTER ONLY!

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sphery:

but chances are, when you figure out what it is, you'll realize that it has nothing to do with Myth :)

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Woosta:

possibly

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Woosta:

but whatever it is is handled by every other tuner

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wagnerrp:

well there is only one other tuner

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wagnerrp:

scanner, rather

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wagnerrp:

everything else just uses a channels.conf

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iamlindoro:

Can Someone running trunk do me a favor and test something?

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wagnerrp:

shoot

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->Info Center Settings->Weather Settings->Screen Settings. Select an Item in the "Active Screens" button list, press enter. Press Escape.

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iamlindoro:

Do you get a segfault?

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wagnerrp:

give me a bit, have to boot a machine to run mythtv on

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iamlindoro:

ah, ok, thanks

[02:13:16]

sphery:

iamlindoro: good idea posting about graphite to the list you used.

[02:13:33]

sphery:

oh, you did -users, too

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

And of course immediately find two more screens I hadn't themed :)

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wagnerrp:

looks like i should just go downstairs and check this

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wagnerrp:

this computer is out of sync with the backend revision

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wagnerrp:

same download link as before?

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iamlindoro:

Needn't be graphite

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iamlindoro:

in fact, better that it not be

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HRearden:

Wondering if anyone can help. Running svn trunk 20694. Having an issue with REALLY low volume on digital recordings. Don't think I saw this on .21

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iamlindoro:

how in the world did I get graphite down to 1MB?

[02:23:08]

iamlindoro:

can't remember anything I deleted...

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iamlindoro:

hope it still works

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HRearden:

Downmixing 5.1 to stereo.

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: for whatever reason, i cannot get mythweather to recognize my location

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wagnerrp:

so i cannot make any active screens

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Just city only in the search

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iamlindoro:

no state or nation

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iamlindoro:

For me, "San Jose"

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wagnerrp:

however hitting 'finish' in the 'source settings' will consistently crash, regardless of theme

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iamlindoro:

wonder if it's the same. Hrm.

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iamlindoro:

Oh well, thank you for trying

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wagnerrp:

yeah, city or zip code reveals nothing

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wagnerrp:

well... more general area gets a couple hits

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wagnerrp:

hitting 'esc' from that popup does cause a crash as well

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iamlindoro:

OK, that should be the same crash, thanks

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iamlindoro:

and the "released" graphite is at http://www.fecitfacta.com/graphite.tar.gz

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iamlindoro:

should differ substantially in completeness from any other you might have

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wagnerrp:

regardless of theme

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Just thought you might like a copy that is a lot closer to 100%

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wagnerrp:

well the one i grabbed was timestamped at ~8:30, so 2 hours old

[02:30:55]

wagnerrp:

oddly, there is one file in there listed as older that the tarballl itself

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iamlindoro:

Three slight fixes since then, and even so, it's in a new location

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iamlindoro:

which?

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iamlindoro:

ah, timestamped

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wagnerrp:

video-ui.xml is listed as 20:37, the tarball is 20:36

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iamlindoro:

but yeah, there are two fixes since then, just a screen in MythNews

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iamlindoro:

and a slight moving of text in the busy popup

[02:31:53]

iamlindoro:

nothing major

[02:32:38]

iamlindoro:

Got the archive down to 1MB, kinda disappointing to see that all that work only amounted to 1MB :)

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wagnerrp:

oof... mythtv failed to build on my spare box, looks like some sse2 optimizations for xvid decoding

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wagnerrp:

aww thats crap...

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wagnerrp:

i cant seem to get NWS alerts

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wagnerrp:

no zip code, no cities, neither of the two major cities, no airport call signs

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iamlindoro:

FWIW I only themed Current Conditions and 3 day forecast because it's all I can get

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wagnerrp:

even straight off the radio... 'the national weather service out of wilmington ohio has issued...'

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wagnerrp:

and wilmington picks up no results

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wagnerrp:

here we go... searching for 'KY' came up with a list of counties to choose from

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wagnerrp:

even though searching for the county itself didnt work

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iamlindoro:

Guess I should go test Graphite on an actual 1080p screen

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iamlindoro:

blah, don't want to move things pixel-by-pixel any more

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wagnerrp:

plugins can trigger livetv right?

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iamlindoro:

How do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

might be worthwhile adding a weather source that would jump to the weather subchannel on one of your local stations

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iamlindoro:

ah

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wagnerrp:

ugh... the ISC dhcp server changed to all new option names for ipv6

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iamlindoro:

ugh, well, Graphite looks great at 1080p if you ignore the menus

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wagnerrp:

heh... apparently there is no BOOTP/PXE equivalent for ipv6

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iamlindoro:

wow, really?

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iamlindoro:

That seems like a major oversight

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wagnerrp:

i suppose that will change when ipv6 actually starts to be common use

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wagnerrp:

seems gPXE has had several attempts over the years to make one

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wagnerrp:

but none have been of sufficient quality to merge into their main tree

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wagnerrp:

theres actually a slim chance my PS3 might ever need to pick up an IP (and actually have the capability to do so)

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iamlindoro:

Aren't you doing IPv6->v4 translation?

[03:35:07]

iamlindoro:

or did you go IPv6 at home?

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wagnerrp:

just doing independent networks

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wagnerrp:

just speculating that in the lifetime of the PS3, it might be worthwhile for them to write ipv6 for it

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iamlindoro:

I could swear a local NBC affiliate was playing a copy of a show they downloaded over the internet, it's so bad

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ben_:

hi @all

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iamlindoro:

hello

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ben_:

Anyone knows if the firedtv/floppydtv ci/cam is supported by current mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

MythTV (with very few exceptions) provides no support for tuner devices whatsoever

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iamlindoro:

if it is supported by v4l or v4l-dvb, it will almost undoubtedly work in myth

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ben_:

the driver is packed within in the current kernel and watching FTA Channels is fine with thos card, but i can't watch the enrypted channels

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ben_:

but it works with kaffeine

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iamlindoro:

I have no knowledge when it comes to CAMs, aside from the fact that you may need to crank your tuning timeout way up

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ben_:

well, tnx ^^ its already about 60 seconds...

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CyberKnet:

Geez. I dunno what I did, but I hosed up lirc somehow :|

[04:45:17]

CyberKnet:

Well, dumb statement. I know what I did, and I knew it was bad at the time.

[04:45:31]

CyberKnet:

yum upgrade is never a good proposition.

[04:46:27]

CyberKnet:

unfortunately, I can't figure out why irw doesn't show keypresses for my media center remote any more :(

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CyberKnet:

shows up in lsusb

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mazda01:

when I am in mythtvideo and I want to enter a manual IMDB number for a movie, I get to the little box where I can enter the number but when I try to type numbers, nothing appears in the box? I am using Ubuntu Hardy Heron with mythtv 0.21.0+fixes16838–0ubuntu3.1 and am running mythvideo version 0.21.0+fixes16838–0ubuntu2.1. Can anyone help with this?

[05:15:16]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like a theme issue

[05:15:26]

iamlindoro:

Use a core font and it will almost definitely work

[05:15:28]

iamlindoro:

er core theme

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: the worst part about ipv6 isnt the fact that you can no longer remember your addresses

[05:17:37]

iamlindoro:

Uh oh... :)

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mazda01:

iamlindoro, where do I get a core font? that my solve my other font issues.

[05:17:57]

wagnerrp:

its that when setting up reverse lookup, you have to type out each address, with all 32 digits, and with periods in between each digit

[05:17:59]

iamlindoro:

mazda01, core theme, not core font

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wagnerrp:

and hope you dont screw up

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iamlindoro:

GANT, Blue, Mythcenter

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, hehe

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wagnerrp:

BIND setup is a complete mess (more so than normal anyway)

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mazda01:

wagnerrp, yeah right! I got most everything the way I want it. just need to fix music library now. that won't be fun fixing 1,500 songs

[05:19:43]

wagnerrp:

mazda01: you dont get much information using the IMDB scraper anyway

[05:20:03]

wagnerrp:

does it even work at all anymore?

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iamlindoro:

music != imdb

[05:21:09]

wagnerrp:

anyway, IMDB got replaced by themoviedb.org, and the script is pretty much a drop in

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mazda01:

wagnerrp, i am using the imdb-bulk-updated.pl first. it doesn't set some of the movies so I am trying to do them manually/

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mazda01:

iamlindoro, music !=imdb. Well I have to fix the names and id3 tags first. that's going to be the fun part.

[05:22:02]

iamlindoro:

I can't wait to see the bizarre scripts people come up withwhen the new metadata types are available to them

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iamlindoro:

Lord knows all the thieves out there aren't going to want to hunt down fanart and banners for all their stolen stuff

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CyberKnet:

sure we will. I mean, ... uh ...

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CyberKnet:

*grin*

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iamlindoro:

not manually anyway

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mazda01:

iamlindoro, right

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wagnerrp:

because its not like it didnt take a long time to search for it and download it in the first place

[05:24:14]

wagnerrp:

although i guess bittorrent really took the 'difficulty' out of the process

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CyberKnet:

Somewhere along the lines I never picked up the 'how to figure out how the heck lirc is borked' webpage. :|

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why these things have to be typed backwards anyway...

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wagnerrp:

lets see if this works....

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CyberKnet:

Anyone know how to verify if your lircd.conf is good? irw isn't showing anything when I press buttons on my remote, but the receive light on the receiver lights up, and lsusb shows up my receiver as well – kernel module is loaded, etc.

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CyberKnet:

gah.

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CyberKnet:

Getting nowhere :|

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CyberKnet:

lirc has to be the most annoying, least helpful piece of software out there when it comes to why it isn't working.

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CyberKnet:

argh.

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Dassu:

:-| I have to agree. I have second receiver which I aint using atm just because lirc wouldn't work with it as it used be after kernel update

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iamlindoro:

Oooh, the new Ronald D Moore show is on Friday!

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iamlindoro:

(virtuality)

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CyberKnet:

I think my problem is lirc 0.8.5–2 ... I may need to downgrade to lirc-0.8.4a

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CyberKnet:

but, I'm not convinced it isn't selinux quite yet

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CyberKnet:

ok. not selinux.

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CyberKnet:

sonovagun

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CyberKnet:

it was lirc 0.8.5–2

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CyberKnet:

downgrade to lirc 0.8.4a-1 and no problems.

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CyberKnet:

WTG fedora repos.

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wagnerrp:

oh fancy... the ipv6 google logo bounces

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CyberKnet:

totally worth upgrading to ipv6 for.

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wagnerrp:

absolutely

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wagnerrp:

now i just have to get the dns server working

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wagnerrp:

at the moment, it just closes, no error, no anything

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wagnerrp:

regardless of debugging level

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wagnerrp:

but.... im going to bed

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CyberKnet:

I'm just glad I figured out that it was lirc upgrade that hosed things, and not some other weirdness

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CyberKnet:

ok. got my lircrc all back, and lircd.conf is fine again

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CyberKnet:

I think I'm set.

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp ... have a great time looking at your animated google logo ;)

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mazda01:

how could I manually tell a mythvideo movie metadata to look for a certain jpg for it's artwork?

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twois10:

is ATI TV Wonder HD 650 PCI compatible

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juski:

with what? Linux? look at the wiki at www.linuxtv.org to find out

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twois10:

with linux

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twois10:

not mentioned

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juski:

manufacturers seldom mention linux compatability

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juski:

but if it's not mentioned on the linuxtv.org wiki, chances are it's not supported & will not work

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twois10:

so which ATI HDTV Wonder works then

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juski:

who cares?

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twois10:

i do

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juski:

wouldn't buy anything ATI make :)

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twois10:

well my boad, cpu, gpu is all ati

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twois10:

amd

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juski:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards

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juski:

remember me mentioning the linuxtv.org site just now?

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juski:

probably not

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twois10:

am there, but does not mention which of the ati hd works

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twois10:

i was on that site befor coming here

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twois10:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_HDTV_Wonder

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juski:

rather than buy something ATI make specifically, just get one which is KNOWN TO WORK

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twois10:

it does not say which one thats why am here asking

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juski:

it has a nice picture of one right there

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twois10:

diffrent manufacturing produce diffrent design with the same chip so....

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twois10:

this is the card am looking to get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815306017

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juski:

looking at ATI's own product page I very much doubt it works in linux. nothing with their 'theater' chip onboard does

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twois10:

yeah i only saw driver for vista

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juski:

drivers for tuners generally aren't downloaded from manufacturer websites anyway. they end up included in the kernel

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Kevin`:

twois10: I wouldn't risk it unless you can find the 650 specifically listed. it might work, sure, but you can just as easily get a card you KNOW will work

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juski:

so it's not looking good for the 650

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juski:

forget all about it

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twois10:

Kevin`, you have a XC5000 ?

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Kevin`:

twois10: I have a card with the xc500 tuner chip, yes

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twois10:

its really about chipset, just need to find out the exact chip set on that ati before making final decision

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twois10:

the is the card next on my list http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116043

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juski:

suit yourself

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juski:

ignore good advice, just don't come crying in here when you buy a card that doesn't work

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Kevin`:

twois10: that's not a dual tuner card, why not get the cheaper hauppage one you linked before

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twois10:

juski, i did not ingore you advice, i wont get the card if there is no known working solution

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twois10:

i dont want the headache

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juski:

thing is, even when you read somewhere that card X has chipset Y, that's no guarantee

[08:55:20]

juski:

manufacturers have a habit of changing chipsets on cards of the same model

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juski:

so nothing is ever guaranteed :)

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Kevin`:

twois10: http://kwzs.be/~kevin/p6200065.jpg – my system and card. I brought it downstairs to test the new firmware/drivers for betterness

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juski:

blimey eighty dollars for an ATSC tuner?

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Kevin`:

twois10: ironically, it's PROBABLY somewhat similar to the one you just linked

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juski:

dvb-t cards, which amount to basically the same thing are dirt cheap over here

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Kevin`:

twois10: I don't see the one you linked listed in google though. is it supported?

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twois10:

with a single tuner, you wont be able to record and wathc another channell, so that s why i was looking at the ati

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juski:

dual tuner cards which work on linux can be counted on one hand, just about

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twois10:

the hauppage/pinnacle says its support

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juski:

hey look : http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards

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twois10:

Kevin`, looks like a system form year 2001–2003

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Kevin`:

twois10: pentium 4 1.8, 512 ram, 80gb laptop hard drive. not much needed to stream digital signals ;p

[09:03:08]

twois10:

looks like this has good support: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116007

[09:03:59]

juski:

yup, but still would only tune 1 digital source at a time

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Kevin`:

hardware encoding on the analog side is nice, but it's almost obsolete

[09:04:26]

Kevin`:

still useful for input from other boxes though

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juski:

now I know how the HDHR seems like such a good deal for you lot

[09:04:51]

juski:

with the price of ordinary digital tuner cards so high.. sheesh!

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Kevin`:

that's an above-ordinary one IMO

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twois10:

does not say if the remote is ir of rf, i prefer rf

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juski:

IR

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juski:

never seen a tuner that comes with an RF remote

[09:06:05]

twois10:

my aiw has rf remote

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Kevin`:

that's because the IR stuff can be done baseband by the computer's cpu if necessary ;p

[09:06:27]

juski:

no tuner made in recent times I've been aware of has come with RF remote ;-)

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twois10:

i like rf because it does not need to be pointed

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Kevin`:

which also means you can use ANY infared remote with some of those devices, btw

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juski:

certainly no tuner which would work in linux :)

[09:06:59]

Kevin`:

twois10: do you have a wii?

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juski:

I like IR because it enables me to have only one remote for 5 devices :)

[09:07:08]

twois10:

no wii

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Kevin`:

you can use the bluetooth controller from those for tv

[09:08:00]

juski:

heheheh I put everybody with backticks in their nick on ignore, wonder why I did that

[09:08:32]

juski:

hmmm remind me how many useful buttons a wiimote has..

[09:08:43]

juski:

I think an ordinary remote wins hands down on that score

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twois10:

i have to use pci also since i dont have a pcie1

[09:09:03]

juski:

considering how mythtv doesn't have lame playback transport controls onscreen :)

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Kevin`:

juski: the software that does that can use button combinations and also use the position/accelleration sensor

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Kevin`:

twois10: longer pci-e slots will work too

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juski:

you're lucky if you get more than 3 slots on a board these days :-\

[09:10:16]

twois10:

you can put a pcie1 device in pceix16 port?

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juski:

yup

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Kevin`:

twois10: right.

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twois10:

learn something new today

[09:10:46]

juski:

but not a pciex16 in a pcie1 slot :P

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twois10:

lol

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Kevin`:

juski: you can do that if the card physically fits. it usually will not though

[09:11:07]

juski:

though I heard you can if you chop the end off the socket

[09:11:25]

juski:

but wouldn't advise most mortals to modify sockets :P

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twois10:

sockets or pcb?

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juski:

either

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Kevin`:

twois10: either, although the socket modification is non-destructive

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juski:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway

[09:12:46]

juski:

beside the point..

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Kevin`:

i'm just gonna concentrate on the tuner stuff now since juski seems to know everything :)

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juski:

hadn't realised you lot were being robbed blind for 'hdtv' tuners :)

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juski:

$99 for a tuner which is basically the same as a Â£19.99 card. meh

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Kevin`:

the one he linked (that you commented on) has a hardware mpeg2 encoded

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Kevin`:

encoder

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twois10:

huh?

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twois10:

how so juski ?

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Kevin`:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;Order=PRICE

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Kevin`:

http://kwzs.be/~kevin/problem-1.png – any ideas what causes this? only happens on gentoo frontend so far

[09:31:58]

Kevin`:

and only some channels

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Sigi:

hi, i get a error when i try to listin music. "mixer unable to find control PCM"

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Sigi:

but i can watch TV or DVD's. and audio output is "standart"

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LiamT:

Hi all, Has anyone managed to get the Compro T220 running on myth?

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juski:

LiamT: if it's not listed on the mythtv wiki or the linuxtv.org wiki, then no it won't work

[10:05:42]

LiamT:

No problem mate

[10:06:31]

LiamT:

Is there any card you would reccomend???, preferably something that doesnt need too much intervention on the 2.6 kernel side of things (i made the jump from 2.4 kernel about a week ago)

[10:06:40]

juski:

at least not out of the box. it's entirely possible that it's been made to work in newer v4l-dvb drivers available from the linuxtv.org Hg repositories

[10:07:47]

juski:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#Compro says not supported yet, but those wiki pages are notorious for being out of date

[10:08:17]

LiamT:

Basically the issue that i'm having is that i cant tell whether the card wants to be known as a T200 or a T300

[10:09:05]

juski:

apparently it can be detected as a T200, but it won't work

[10:09:24]

LiamT:

yeah, i figured that one out :P

[10:09:55]

LiamT:

i just made the jump from redhat 6.2 to deb lenny... boy am i in over my head :P

[10:10:03]

LiamT:

but thanks

[10:11:17]

juski:

tried loading the saa7134-dvb module yourself?

[10:13:19]

LiamT:

yeah, retrieved/copied the firmware, recompiled all v4l (make all) with v4l-dvb-2899ad868fc6

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juski:

what does dmesg say when you load the module?

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LiamT:

sec

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LiamT:

i've got my bt878 card in the machine atm (not working either), i'l just go through my logs and find my output

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Kevin`:

LiamT: redhat 6.2? not fedora?

[10:17:00]

LiamT:

yes, i used to run redhat 6.2

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LiamT:

i know my way around a 2.4 kernel :P

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juski:

if you really need a low profile dvb-t tuner I've got an Avermedia AvertTV Super 007 which worked pretty much straight away with Hg driver & firmware :)

[10:18:08]

juski:

cost about Â£15 and came with a neat little (but unneccessary) remote

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Kevin`:

anyone know a fix/cause of this problem? http://kwzs.be/~kevin/problem-1.png

[10:18:57]

LiamT:

doesnt need to be low profile, i'm using my old coolermaster CM-Stacker case. To save me having to muck around for a few years, i may aswell buy a new card tomorrow. AverTV Super 007 your reccomendation?

[10:19:01]

juski:

looks like a video driver problem

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Kevin`:

juski: fglrx

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juski:

LiamT: it's a decent card. I don't use it in my production system though

[10:20:10]

juski:

it locks way faster than my other tuners though, and seems to be more sensitive

[10:20:29]

juski:

my other tuners are all leadtek LR6650 cards – basically the same as the DTV1000 card

[10:20:35]

LiamT:

the only reason i'm not just dropping XP on that box, is because i want to watch TV on my macbook. so i figured myth backend, XBMC frontend, and a supported card

[10:20:38]

juski:

Kevin`: precisely

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Kevin`:

:/

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LiamT:

no problem, heading to the shops tomorrow. Thanks guys :)

[10:22:11]

Kevin`:

mythtv frontend works nice on macosx btw

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juski:

xbmc absolutely sucks with mythtv IME. last tried it last night. just won't play anything back at all

[10:23:08]

juski:

sees all the recordings, even builds thumbnails but won't play back a jot

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LiamT:

i've been using XBMC for a while actually, i have a perl plugin which shows me how many tickets i have open, and uses OSD while watching movies to alert me when my phone is about to ring/an urgent ticket comes in

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LiamT:

if XBMC doesnt work with myth, i'l make the jump and port it over

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Kevin`:

i'd try it first if your used to it

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juski:

really blows on windows :)

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LiamT:

brb phone

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juski:

pfft. found out what the playback problem is after all. it won't work with IP addresses. WTF?!

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LiamT:

gotta run to the dc, ttyl

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juski:

well no, it wasn't that after all

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juski:

heh. that folder icons issue was the themecache after all

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LiamT:

anyone around?

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LiamT:

I managed to get my BT878a card working (sorta), with the settings on http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debi . . . 01/3236.html – Now i can successfully do a channel scan, but i'm being hit with green screen... suggestions???

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LiamT:

i'm seeing tons of

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LiamT:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE0: Device or resource busy

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LiamT:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE1: Device or resource busy

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juski:

mythbackend is running, no doubt

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juski:

stop mythbackend & run mythtv-setup on its own

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LiamT:

one sec

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LiamT:

ok, i've run mythtv-setup while mythtv-backend is stopped, scan goes through fine... i then start the backend, open the frontend, go TV -> watch TV, and get green

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juski:

look in mythbackend's log

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juski:

I suspect you've missed at least one step of mythtv-setup out

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LiamT:

3.6MB logfile... sigh

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LiamT:

http://mzkrew.org/myth/ if you know what you're looking for

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juski_:

tail the last 500 lines into a new file :)

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LiamT:

the last 500 lines are just VIDIOCMCAPTURE1: Device or resource busy

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LiamT:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE0: Device or resource busy

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juski:

got webcam software running or something?

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LiamT:

http://mzkrew.org/myth/mythbackend.log.txt <-- converted to txt so you can see it without having to download

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LiamT:

not that i'm aware

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juski:

or more than one TV viewing app?

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juski:

stop mythbackend & try lsof /dev/video0

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juski:

Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles. Assuming RTjpeg for now. – will not be helping you any

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juski:

those bloody plain english error messages get you lot every time!

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juski:

oh and you might want to check that the frontend & backend are the same ****ing version!

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juski:

MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 8 but we speak 40!

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LiamT:

hmmm, i compiled from the same gz...

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juski:

remembering a convo about XBMC.. AFAIK it won't work with framegrabber based recordings

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sphery:

LiamT: don't use the release tarballs

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sphery:

(in case you check the archives)

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ruskie:

hmm would people consider a dual core atom a usable thing as a media center pc?

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juski:

define 'usable'

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Essobi:

Happy father's day!

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ruskie:

primarily running SD content on it... emulators(pscx among others), at times playing some h264 encoded stuff

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juski:

happy Clinton cards day!

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juski:

happy Hallmark day!

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Essobi:

juski: lol

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juski:

tomorrow is Penultimate Monday of June Day – make sure you buy a card/gift before it's too late!

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tripppy:

hi, ive got two usb IR remote options, 'genunine' MCE remote, or a 'pvr' remote that came with DVB-T card. which should i use?

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nambo:

MCE remote is better

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nambo:

those pvr remotes are usually connected to the card itself

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nambo:

card goes, you lose your remote

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ekristen:

I am having some issues getting my s-video working, its all scrambled

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cornell:

I'm having a devil of a time since my upgrade to the last mythtv. I'm planning on going to linhes. (I've two boxes, master be and slave be) Slave currently is able to attempt to record, but usually gets 0B files. The partition is 90% full. Attempting to play back on slave from master abends slave's frontend.

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cornell:

One of the first steps to upgrade is to backup... Master backup fails.

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cornell:

Thinking of just nuke and pave both boxes.

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cornell:

Slave gives lots of: Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

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cornell:

In the past, rebooting has cleared that.

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cornell:

Is there a way that I can confirm that I am getting signal from the cable? Does cat /dev/video0 depend on ivtv driver?

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cornell:

the cat /dev/video0 is respoinding with Device or resource busy

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nambo:

backend up?

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cornell:

Yup

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cornell:

Both boxes up, as it were. As I indicated, there's some flakyness

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Sigi:

can someone help me with alsa error? i can watch tv no errors.

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Sigi:

but when i go to music, i get mixer unable to find PCM...

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cornell:

Anybody know offhand where I might find linhes iso and install instructions. Not having any luck with knoppmyth or knoppmythwiki sites.

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Sigi:

i put it on standaard ALSA:default and all other possibilities

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Sigi:

or can i try to clear the mysql tables? and the it all be default ??

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cornell:

He did rename knoppmyth, as of version 6, as I recall, to linhes, correct?

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laga:

cornell: http://mysettopbox.tv/

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Sigi:

how do i complete remove myth music and the settings ?

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cornell:

Been there laga, All I can find is knoppmyth 5.5. What am I missing?

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gbee:

cornell: ftp://knoppmyth.net/R6/Current/

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gbee:

first news item on the homepage

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cornell:

Shoot.... "Gift"

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cornell:

Silly me, I was looking for "download" or "LinHES" or something silly like that ;-(

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cornell:

Thanks gbee

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Sigi:

pls someone?

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ekristen:

correct me if I am wrong but since this is an NVIDIA chipset I should be ok using this card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814139165 in my media center?

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overclocked:

Hi all, I have a few issues, can anyone help? I have an 7 year old dell PC, P4 2.0Ghz, 512MB RAM. Mythbuntu 9.04. When I try to play SOME DVD's, it will stop at a certain point, I can not select a later chapter than this. This is does not happen on every DVD I play.

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overclocked:

I suspect it is to do with it being an old DVD drive not being able to play dual layer DVD's, but not sure.

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laga:

does it work in xine?

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overclocked:

No, same problem in xine

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overclocked:

Same DVD on other machines works fine.

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laga:

same OS on the other machines?

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overclocked:

I will probably get a new one, with Blue Ray playback, assuming this will work OK on an old machine.... I can play back HD (BBC HD recordings) via an nVidia 8400GS with VDPAU, so assume this will work. The other machines are Ubuntu 9.04

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laga:

yeah, but blu ray decryption support on linux is not that great

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overclocked:

OK, I assume it will take a while for libdvdcss to catch up. Might just get a standard DVD drive then until there is support, this drives will be cheaper bt that time.

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laga:

yeah, a normal dvd drive might be smarter and cheaper – unless you want to spend a lot of time mess with decryption. of course, that's probably illegal so never do that

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overclocked:

2nd issue, I can no longer record BBC HD channel. Tried a rescan of channels in myth, it picks the channel up, but when I try to record it fails, theh file is empty. I can record/watch live the SD chanells no probelm. HD was working fine for recording before

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laga:

where do you get BBC hd in germany?

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highzeth:

big enough dish, no problem

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laga:

nice

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highzeth:

I get it in Norway, needed a 2 meter dish tho

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overclocked:

90 cm dish. HVR4000

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highzeth:

live north in .de then? =)

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overclocked:

nope south!

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highzeth:

wow, would not think a 90cm would suffice then =)

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overclocked:

Bavaria

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highzeth:

ok

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weeverio:

still can't get any program information installed mythfilldatabase seems to run o.k. running mythubuntu 8.04

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weeverio:

ideas/

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weeverio:

?

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sidh:

greetings gentlemen

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sidh:

i'm choosing component for my future HTPC, and i'm wondering for the remote

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sidh:

IR will be the choice (RF is too expensive for me)

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sidh:

i bought the hauppauge nova TD 500 pci tv card

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sidh:

which is packaged with a remote

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sidh:

but i don't know if the remote will work

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XLV:

sidh, imon.. remote + usb vfd

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XLV:

if remote only, microsoft mce remote

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XLV:

about 15 euro here

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sidh:

because on the wiki they talk about a usb remote , and here , it is a jack IR receiver

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sidh:

soory

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sidh:

because on the wiki they talk about a usb receiver , and here , it is a jack IR receiver

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sidh:

XLV: sorry i don't understand what you said

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sidh:

usb vfd ??

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XLV:

sidh, http://www.soundgraph.com/Eng_/Products/imon25.aspx

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XLV:

linux drivers http://venky.ws/projects/imon/

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XLV:

many htpc cases use those for their internal attached on case's faceplate vfds

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sidh:

XLV: is it expensive , such imon ? looks great

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XLV:

yeah.. about 75 euro here for the 5.25" vfd bay + remote

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XLV:

or buy a case that includes it, eg silverstone lc20m

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sark666:

hello, i've been using myth for a few years now, and it's always worked fine. I run it on ubuntu and it's always been fine but with the last ubuntu update (9.04) I started getting this issue where the field order is wrong

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iamlindoro:

The MCE remotes and receivers are USB, quite cheap, and easily the most common used by myth users

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote

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sark666:

i just use a basic framebuffer card. I even tried capturing at 320 x 240 so I shouldn't see any interlacing, yet it's there big time

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sark666:

i was curious if something ubuntu updated in regards to the kernel drivers affected bttv cards, so I tried tvtime and it's fine

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sark666:

and it's not a playback issue, as old recordings prior to my 9.04 upgrade play back fine in myth

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sark666:

it's only new recordings

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sark666:

is there a known issue with some framebuffers (bttv) and myth as of late?

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sark666:

or is there a way I can force field swap for recording?

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sidh:

thank you very much for the info iamlindoro , XLV

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wagnerrp:

well i figured out why no one has put together a network boot spec for ipv6

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wagnerrp:

it is against spec to index machines off the MAC address

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RDV_Linux1:

iamlindoro: Assuming Graphite is now officially released then congratulations. I have been running through the latest version (994.1Kb) version and it works great, Thanks

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux1, Thanks, and thanks-- it's sort of a tentative release as it still will get new stuff as more MythUI features get finished, but good enough to use, anyway

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iamlindoro:

And probably the closest to complete MythUI theme

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RDV_Linux1:

What exiting new MythUI features are planned?

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iamlindoro:

Notification widget (which should hopefully allow me to put the RSS placeholder at the top to good use, video widget (to hopefully turn the selected item in the "Watch Recordings" screen into a live preview), maybe some more random eye candy

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RDV_Linux1:

I wondered what the rss icon was there fore.

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iamlindoro:

Would really love to at least be able to make the menus scroll smoothly, but I don't know if that is in the cards for .22, gbee might be able to give some idea about that

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iamlindoro:

Also thought of putting the menu on a curve, think gbee has code for that too that just hasn't been checked in yet

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RDV_Linux1:

I thought I read about curve menus. What is that about?

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iamlindoro:

Just that the menu follows at arc instead of a line

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RDV_Linux1:

I look forward to the developments.

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iamlindoro:

Somewhat frustrating is that two resolutions with identical aspect ratios and different numbers of pixels can make it look so whacked out

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iamlindoro:

720p, the menus look perfect (as that is my working res), 1080p, they're a smooshed up disaster

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iamlindoro:

ought to go on another hunt through the frontend to see if there are any more screens that are totally unthemed, as my head is bound to be clearer today

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RDV_Linux1:

Yes I saw that. Even though I display on a 1080i HDTV I have set mythtv as a 1760x990 window to get around over scan issues. For the most part there are no issues with only a few text overlaps. Only one that even comes to mind.

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iamlindoro:

It *might* get solved if one of the many people attempting variable sized buttons in buttonlists succeeds at it

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iamlindoro:

but the underlying problem would still remain, that the scaling is not consistent

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sidh:

iamlindoro: great i found a shop to buy the imon vfd

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RDV_Linux1:

I selected the window dimension specifically as they are still 16:9 and was surprised that thinkings did not scale perfectly. I even tried changing the font sizes and or % but that still made no difference.

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iamlindoro:

The font sizes should no longer affect themes anyway

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iamlindoro:

they're all set at the themers discretion

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iamlindoro:

which would be great if it were possible to trust that it would look the same assuming the same aspect ratio

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sidh:

another thing , in my configuration , the media will be stored on a NFS server, so on the HTPC , i chose to use a SSD drive (8GB PATA one) for "no fan needed" and power shutdown

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RDV_Linux1:

That answers a lot.

[17:04:25]

sidh:

what do you think of this choice

[17:04:59]

iamlindoro:

sidh, I think that if it's an actual SSD drive instead of a compactflash card, it's a waste of money

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iamlindoro:

Once the frontend is loaded, there is nothing you gain from an SSD on a frontend-only machine

[17:06:14]

sidh:

whaow great , so i have to find a compact flash adapter to place in my ATX tower

[17:06:49]

highzeth:

if it supports usb boot, use a usb pen

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wagnerrp:

i keep forgetting this... whats the better way of moving stuff to a new machine, besides dumping the database, sed'ing the hostnames in the backup, and restoring it?

[17:09:33]

wagnerrp:

i guess you just to a find replace on the hostname within mysql

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wagnerrp:

looks like mythconverg_restore.pl already takes care of that

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, sphery has a DB script to handle it nicely

[17:15:29]

iamlindoro:

He should turn up momentarily with the wiki link :)

[17:15:56]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i found it

[17:16:16]

iamlindoro:

ah, sorry, missed your last line

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, mythconverg_restore.pl--the sed approach in the HOWTO is broken (for character encoding) and will corrupt some not-greatly-important data in your DB, but the script works

[17:17:23]

sphery:

and the script works for even "less-than-ideal" hostnames, like "myth"

[17:17:43]

sphery:

and, just to make iamlindoro happy: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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** iamlindoro is suddenly filled with an alarming sense of happiness **

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sphery:

note that the hostname change happens on an existing DB (not while restoring) and needs to be done before starting any Myth apps on the host with the new hostname

[17:18:33]

wagnerrp:

not for me... just responding to someone on the list

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wagnerrp:

does mythgallery need to scan the image directory before use? ive never used it

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iamlindoro:

nope

[17:22:04]

iamlindoro:

it's just a flat file browser

[17:23:32]

wagnerrp:

so i guess that might be worthwhile for a USB card reader

[17:23:53]

sidh:

iamlindoro: what i understand with using compact flash is that you must install minimyth

[17:24:03]

sidh:

that is a myth tv client

[17:24:06]

iamlindoro:

sidh, You understand incorrectly

[17:24:06]

wagnerrp:

sidh: why would you say that?

[17:24:11]

sidh:

i don't really understand

[17:24:26]

wagnerrp:

theres nothing 'special' about minimyth that makes it suitable for flash memory

[17:24:42]

wagnerrp:

minimyth is just designed to be able to fit into.... 256MB?

[17:24:43]

iamlindoro:

nor do you need it if you choose to use flash memory

[17:25:02]

iamlindoro:

You can very easily fit pretty much any distro you want on a $15 8GB thumb drive

[17:25:11]

sidh:

well

[17:25:16]

wagnerrp:

it was intended for years ago, when you could not buy multi-gigamabyte CF cards

[17:25:19]

sidh:

so another thing i wonder

[17:25:33]

sidh:

mythtv need MySQL backend right ?

[17:25:49]

wagnerrp:

it needs a single mysql server, yes

[17:26:07]

sidh:

considering I/O made through the database

[17:26:08]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt necessarily call it a backend

[17:26:19]

iamlindoro:

but doesn't need a SQL server on a frontend machine, just one, somewhere on the network

[17:26:27]

sidh:

would'nt it be better to have an external databse

[17:26:34]

iamlindoro:

uhh

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wagnerrp:

is inconsequential because all operations will be performed within memory

[17:26:40]

iamlindoro:

Myth *does* have an external DB

[17:26:42]

sidh:

i mean a mysql server running on the NFS server

[17:26:45]

iamlindoro:

it's MySQL

[17:26:46]

wagnerrp:

youre not going to have a database large enough that it will be spilling over onto swap

[17:26:50]

sidh:

for exemple

[17:27:06]

wagnerrp:

you can have your mysql server running anywhere you want

[17:27:08]

iamlindoro:

sidh, The Database has *nothing* to do with the frontend, besides the fact that the frontend must connect to it over the network

[17:27:18]

sidh:

so why dont use sqsllite instead of mysql in that case

[17:27:32]

wagnerrp:

sqlite does not have the required capability as mysql

[17:27:33]

iamlindoro:

because sqllite cannot handle the queries myth does, particularly the scheduler

[17:27:36]

wagnerrp:

it has been looked into

[17:27:47]

sidh:

ahh ok i see

[17:28:04]

iamlindoro:

Myth will eventually have MySQL embedded, and solve many users gripes

[17:28:06]

iamlindoro:

someday

[17:29:08]

sphery:

wish markeyb were here so I could have asked that -users question here

[17:29:11]

sidh:

iamlindoro: for other purpose , i use install openbsd on CF card on Soekris motherboard for firewall/router devices

[17:29:26]

** iamlindoro wonders what that has to do with myth **

[17:29:33]

sphery:

embedded MySQL ftw!

[17:30:06]

iamlindoro:

sphery, So it's 1:30PM local time for you now, when will the patch be done? ;)

[17:30:07]

sphery:

embedded MySQL for the when users won't break their DB's by direct editing data

[17:30:09]

sidh:

and i used MFS filesystem for mounting the card readonly and not break the CF with time use

[17:30:35]

iamlindoro:

You will die of old age before a frontend booting from CF wears out

[17:30:51]

sphery:

or the frontend will die of old age :)

[17:30:55]

iamlindoro:

indeed

[17:30:57]

wagnerrp:

sidh: who cares if it burns out anyway...

[17:31:05]

sidh:

iamlindoro: the link with Myth, is that if i chose CF, and Myth doest mount the CF read only, i wonder about the time the CF will live

[17:31:09]

iamlindoro:

Hell, netboot if it's that important to you

[17:31:10]

sidh:

because of I/O

[17:31:15]

wagnerrp:

it will take a couple years, at which point you toss in another $5 and buy another card

[17:31:21]

iamlindoro:

sidh, a long, long, long time

[17:31:45]

sidh:

ok

[17:31:48]

iamlindoro:

a frontend only system does approximately 0 writing to the disk

[17:32:07]

wagnerrp:

the only thing that would get written would be system logs

[17:32:10]

iamlindoro:

a netboot system does exactly 0 writing to the disk if you're that concerned ;)

[17:32:30]

sidh:

iamlindoro: sorry for annoying with openbsd CF install, it was to better explain my exemple

[17:32:53]

wagnerrp:

and you can log to a memory disk, or over the network if you want

[17:33:16]

sidh:

sure syslogng is my frined

[17:33:20]

sidh:

friend ;)

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** iamlindoro is naturally suspicious on anything that ends in "ng" **

[17:33:47]

wagnerrp:

well for your router, you really dont want it dependant on any other system on your network

[17:33:49]

iamlindoro:

s/on/of/

[17:34:03]

wagnerrp:

so netbooting and network logging is right out

[17:34:13]

sphery:

I did syslogng for a while, but switched to rsyslog and like it much better.

[17:34:31]

sidh:

no to be honnest , after your explannation , i think i will make the sacrifice of a CF per 3 years use

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iamlindoro:

If a CF only lasts you 3 years, I'd be very surprised

[17:34:58]

iamlindoro:

for a frontend only, anyway

[17:35:11]

iamlindoro:

It should outlast the rest of the hardware IMO

[17:35:37]

wagnerrp:

the only thing that might kill it would be continual use of swap

[17:35:52]

wagnerrp:

but swap should really only be used in the event that something is broken

[17:36:53]

sidh:

ok then let's see the wiki what size of CF is needed, i really thank you for your advices

[17:40:48]

wagnerrp:

a 4GB card will be a bit cramped

[17:41:10]

wagnerrp:

especially if youre going to have swap and do local compiles on the card

[17:41:20]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, when are you going to break down and commit your pet patch, anyway? :)

[17:41:38]

iamlindoro:

Although I guess with the video out refactor it might need a rework...

[17:41:48]

wagnerrp:

but youll never have any problem with an 8GB

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: in case you were wondering, its really no problem to remember ipv6 addresses

[17:43:22]

wagnerrp:

the only problem is that you can no longer use the keypad to type them in

[17:43:39]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Wasn't really wondering, figure I'll cross that bridge when I'm dragged kicking and screaming over it :)

[17:43:56]

wagnerrp:

well you mentioned something about that yesterday

[17:44:43]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, when I get a mythbox and can update it again :P

[17:44:56]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, What's the deal with no Mythbox for so long, anyway?

[17:45:10]

iamlindoro:

plugins don't python themselves you know

[17:45:33]

** kormoc laughs **

[17:46:01]

sphery:

kormoc: Was that you I saw panhandling on the corner of the street in Seattle with a hat and a sign that said, "Need new Myth box"

[17:46:08]

kormoc:

Totally

[17:46:38]

kormoc:

that lack of money plus working 70+ hours weekly, plus no faith in current living arrangements == no real purchases

[17:47:01]

sphery:

I hear they have cheap housing in Pennsylvania

[17:47:22]

wagnerrp:

the commute will be a bitch

[17:47:27]

kormoc:

Heh, yeah, there is that... ;)

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** iamlindoro starts the "buy kormoc a mythbox" fund **

[17:49:04]

** SHADOW_V1 donates a p3 system to the org **

[17:49:04]

iamlindoro:

He's such a good developer, he doesn't even need the hardware or software to do it!

[17:49:07]

sphery:

Re: "Minimum hardware recomendation" on -users list--recommendation is /don't/ get minimum hardware

[17:49:34]

** sid3windr folds kormoc a mythbox **

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iamlindoro:

Just like all those aspiring devs who want to discuss design decisions before downloading or even running Myth

[17:50:40]

iamlindoro:

linuxguy? linuxfan? What was his name?

[17:50:42]

sphery:

heh

[17:50:44]

iamlindoro:

linuxfan I think

[17:50:49]

kormoc:

heh

[17:50:52]

kormoc:

such a wonderful nickname

[17:51:02]

sid3windr:

linuxboi!

[17:51:15]

iamlindoro:

sid3windr, Didn't he get married to linuxgrrl?

[17:51:50]

sid3windr:

he was a linuxboi, she was a linuxgrrl, he wasn't good enough for her!

[17:52:04]

SHADOW_V1:

uh oh

[17:52:14]

sid3windr:

blame canada, eh

[17:53:34]

iamlindoro:

I actually heard that linuxboi went to canada and came back linuxgrrl

[17:53:42]

iamlindoro:

Sssh, s'a secret

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sid3windr:

:>

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, if it's a matter of getting it installed, or if you get "Cannot connect to database" or something, we're happy to help ;)

[17:55:47]

kormoc:

I'll keep that in mind ;)

[17:56:35]

SHADOW_V1:

if you arent looking for bleeding edge i have afew p3's you can have also a 1.2ghz celeron

[17:56:56]

SHADOW_V1:

i dont know if thats good enough

[17:57:02]

kormoc:

Nah, it's gonna be a HD Box, which makes it fairly high end

[17:57:19]

kormoc:

I'm gonna get a mac mini likely, cause that + a hdpvr will be solid, it's just getting things settled down

[17:57:21]

SHADOW_V1:

right psh even my current fe/be isnt the happiest with hd

[17:57:23]

kormoc:

and I'm moving again...

[17:57:30]

SHADOW_V1:

amd x2 be 2400

[17:58:11]

iamlindoro:

*sigh*, just six more episodes of Lost Season 2 to rip from blu

[17:58:27]

iamlindoro:

3 Seasons of TV on blu ray = weeklong ripping project

[17:58:28]

SHADOW_V1:

kormoc, do you like to be moving all the time

[17:58:32]

iamlindoro:

and that's without transcoding

[17:58:35]

kormoc:

Nah, I don't

[17:58:51]

kormoc:

but I quit my job and I'm renting from my ex-boss, that's a bit... awkward

[17:59:03]

iamlindoro:

He's moving to be closer to his butcher, they have a mutual love of bacon

[17:59:10]

kormoc:

hehe, that's true!

[18:00:05]

SHADOW_V1:

that sounds perfectly normal

[18:00:22]

SHADOW_V1:

kormoc, good luck finding another job hope you find one quickyl

[18:00:30]

kormoc:

Already have one ;)

[18:00:38]

SHADOW_V1:

great

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SHADOW_V1:

now its my turn tomorrow i try the job hunt any recommendations of places to look

[18:01:12]

kormoc:

where in the world?

[18:01:16]

SHADOW_V1:

usa

[18:01:17]

iamlindoro:

outside home depot

[18:01:19]

SHADOW_V1:

nj

[18:01:21]

nambo:

sex industry is always hiring

[18:01:30]

nambo:

heh

[18:01:36]

SHADOW_V1:

i am not going to whore myself out or be a day laborer

[18:01:45]

nambo:

naw, just gay porno

[18:01:48]

nambo:

heh jk

[18:01:55]

SHADOW_V1:

they do pay more

[18:01:56]

SHADOW_V1:

but no

[18:02:00]

kormoc:

SHADOW_V1, what field/dicipline?

[18:02:14]

nambo:

kormoc: my next, non-joking, question

[18:02:28]

nambo:

kormoc: sorry about yuor job, sounds likes you're on top of it tho

[18:02:36]

SHADOW_V1:

IT most likely entry level i mean i can do some administration stuff but dont have experience

[18:02:48]

SHADOW_V1:

the only experience i have with it is doing my own projects

[18:03:01]

kormoc:

Hrm... that's a hard area right now, you're likely gonna want to look into commuting into NYC

[18:03:04]

nambo:

shadow: projects? networking?

[18:03:13]

nambo:

yeah, entry level IT is hard to get into

[18:03:20]

nambo:

unless you like doing phone support

[18:03:21]

SHADOW_V1:

especially now?

[18:03:30]

SHADOW_V1:

yeah there are alot of help desk stuff open

[18:03:38]

SHADOW_V1:

other than that i havnt really seen anything else

[18:03:54]

SHADOW_V1:

is it because of the economy or entry level in general is hard to get into

[18:03:54]

nambo:

you got certs or degrees?

[18:03:59]

kormoc:

both

[18:04:04]

SHADOW_V1:

and yeah i would be willing to go nyc

[18:04:06]

iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V1, you're just out of college, right? There are probably a lot of opportunities if you're willing to move somewhere where there's not a lot of talent

[18:04:16]

SHADOW_V1:

uh no certs and i am not finished with my degree yet

[18:04:19]

nambo:

kormoc: i figured you did, but whatabout shadow?

[18:04:40]

nambo:

kormoc: you put your role in myth on your resume? just curious

[18:04:41]

SHADOW_V1:

iamlindoro, no didnt graduate yet there was a problem with that

[18:04:43]

kormoc:

SHADOW_V1, craigslist is very important, most staffing firms are worthless, but might help out right now

[18:04:51]

nambo:

i know i would, it's a good project

[18:05:19]

SHADOW_V1:

so i am moving out and saving money to go back to school

[18:05:20]

iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V1, ah... well anyway, once you do, midwestern places and souther cities might be a good thing to think about for a few years, just to get the experience you're looking for (and have an easier time of finding a job)

[18:05:27]

iamlindoro:

southern

[18:05:33]

SHADOW_V1:

hmm

[18:05:34]

kormoc:

nambo, I was answering his question, I personally don't have a degree, it's worthless, just a cert for advanced mysql performance tuning, and yes, it's one of my volunteer projects I list

[18:06:04]

kormoc:

Seattle just hit 9.6% unemployment, so now's not a good time here unless you have a solid resume

[18:06:05]

iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V1, New England is good for that as well, lots of IT jobs in NH/ME/northern Mass if you like being a bit more rural

[18:06:13]

nambo:

i got my A+ years ago, and started a repair business with a buddy of mine, going to get my ECT degree here shortly, studying for the CCNA as well

[18:06:17]

nambo:

then going back for EET

[18:06:20]

SHADOW_V1:

yeah moving outside of nj isnt really a good possibility right now

[18:06:43]

kormoc:

SHADOW_V1, check bank of america, they tend to hire entry level folks a lot

[18:06:44]

nambo:

kormoc: for what you do, i couldn't agree more.... electronics is a big different tho

[18:06:59]

nambo:

only programming i do is programming pic and plc microcontrollers

[18:07:09]

nambo:

big=bit

[18:07:22]

SHADOW_V1:

hmm

[18:07:35]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Had a coupe of buddies who were mid-high level IT/IT Management at BofA, banking IT is rough, they are so controlled

[18:07:45]

SHADOW_V1:

ok because i mean i learn quickly and know more than just being a normal help desk but i am not sysadmin level yet

[18:07:51]

kormoc:

it's all experience, degrees are just a way to get 2–4 years of experience without a lucky break, but any career path can be done without a degree if you get the lucky break

[18:08:01]

iamlindoro:

probably a great job, but I think it would make me neurotic

[18:08:28]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, it's true, but it's something. I did contract with them for a few months where we went a updated banks that they just bought to the BoA it system, and after that... I don't trust them at all with security

[18:08:38]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, heh

[18:08:45]

nambo:

kormoc: problem is the equiptment... good o-scopes and function generators are expensive

[18:09:16]

kormoc:

you can always build your own

[18:09:30]

kormoc:

we got to this point somehow without having them, you can do it too if you're dedicated enough

[18:09:45]

nambo:

that's like recreating the wheel

[18:09:51]

nambo:

new o-scopes are sweet

[18:10:04]

kormoc:

At times, recreating the wheel is more impressive then using a pre-built one...

[18:10:06]

nambo:

serial hookups to your computer, so you can save your traces in excell

[18:10:12]

** kormoc blinks **

[18:10:17]

nambo:

yeah, but i'm not going up on hp like that

[18:10:19]

kormoc:

excell? ugh...

[18:10:20]

nambo:

heh

[18:10:40]

nambo:

well... sure you can do it in oo too, but my engineering laptop runs windoze

[18:11:09]

SHADOW_V1:

so craigslist is a good place to look

[18:11:28]

SHADOW_V1:

i was trying there but i got a scam company call me

[18:11:33]

kormoc:

SHADOW_V1, way better then most of the other job sites out there, much higher hit ratio imho

[18:11:51]

nambo:

you know, there are some contracting firms you might consider

[18:11:59]

SHADOW_V1:

thats good to hear then i will use a combo of all of them together

[18:12:05]

SHADOW_V1:

more places to apply

[18:12:07]

nambo:

they just hire people for small gigs, when they're available

[18:12:19]

kormoc:

yeah, IT Temp agencies do exist and some people enjoy that...

[18:12:23]

nambo:

i used to work for one years ago

[18:13:00]

SHADOW_V1:

if i couldnt get a regular job i would do that i just rather have more stable employment

[18:13:14]

nambo:

i used to love basic IT support, now i find it very mind numbing

[18:13:16]

SHADOW_V1:

a want a fulltime job without bouncing around from place to place

[18:13:27]

SHADOW_V1:

nambo, yeah tahts the problem

[18:13:58]

nambo:

i do support for a bunch of different small companies, and some of them make me want to go off

[18:14:10]

nambo:

i mean, just too many dumb people, not enough big animals to eat all of them

[18:14:15]

nambo:

they pay well, very well

[18:14:26]

nambo:

but it's annoying as hell sometimes

[18:14:54]

nambo:

i got this bar down the street i support their POS and their POS software

[18:15:10]

nambo:

every time one of those f***** units goes down, they blow up my phone, like 20 calls in a row

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nambo:

they can't call anyone else, i'm one of the only ppl in town that supports it. Point of Success just tells them to call me

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nambo:

heh

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thedarkone:

has anyone used Intel Corporation 82801I audio?

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kormoc:

that doesn't tell us much of anything....

[18:18:50]

wagnerrp:

chances are its either AC97 or HDA

[18:19:01]

thedarkone:

hda

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wagnerrp:

and have you tried the HDA driver?

[18:19:21]

thedarkone:

yeah

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thedarkone:

some reason i can't get any sound out of it

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kormoc:

did you unmute/increase the volume?

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thedarkone:

yes

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kormoc:

of all of the outputs?

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thedarkone:

i spent till 5 am this morning on it

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kormoc:

that doesn't really mean much...

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thedarkone:

all out puts no sound

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, Bitstream Vera Sans is truly an ugly font

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thedarkone:

i tried digital output and anlog out puts

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thedarkone:

no sound

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kormoc:

might want to try #alsa then

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thedarkone:

okay

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, means that if you want to use a specific font, your users will need to install it normally :( No real way to distribute them. I even looked into ways of "installing" the font locally for the app with Qt, but didn't find anything.

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sphery:

Guess just make sure you specify the font as a pre-req loudly and clearly (where packagers will see :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, ugh, bummer :(

[18:26:54]

sphery:

Yeah. If you can find something to make it work from a specific font, I'd be very interested.

[18:27:08]

sphery:

Though I did a pretty thorough search, it was by no means exhaustive.

[18:27:22]

sphery:

actually, specific font file, I should say.

[18:28:07]

iamlindoro:

That is a major pain, it looks all wrong without the correct font

[18:29:22]

iamlindoro:

And of course all core fonts look like garbage

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sphery:

http://lists.trolltech.com/qt4-preview-feedba . . . 00073-0.html + http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2008-10/msg00424.html don't give much hope

[18:30:05]

sphery:

(note the qrc approach just puts the file into an app, then you have to somehow install it onto the system)

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sphery:

i.e. just a glorified tar file :)

[18:30:37]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Whatever the system falls back to for Graphite, it's awful

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux1, and anyone else using Graphite, see above, you'll need to install the included font in your system

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sphery:

might actually be worthwhile putting in a nice statement about, "Theme requested font 'iamlindoro-bold-wide' but got 'kormoc-sexy-thin'. Theme fonts may not appear correctly. Please install the requested font."

[18:32:43]

sphery:

in the logs, that is

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sphery:

what font do you use for graphite?

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sphery:

wonder if we could do better by allowing themers to specify font characteristics, rather than just font names...

[18:35:22]

kormoc:

characteristics?

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iamlindoro:

Sans Serif, etc.

[18:35:54]

iamlindoro:

Maybe even font family

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iamlindoro:

then again, if I said I wanted a Humanist Sans Serif font on an OSS system, it would probably have so few choices that it would be something truly rotten

[18:37:09]

iamlindoro:

Appears it falls back to Bitsream Vera Sans in absence of the included Frutiger knock-off, which functions, but is in no way pretty

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superdug:

awesome sauce ... I have a fully functioning mythtv system on my HTPC running macos

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sphery:

I meant things like QFont::StyleHint , QFont::Weight , QFont::Style , QFont::Stretch , QFont::Capitalization , etc... http://doc.qtsoftware.com/4.4/qfont.html

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kormoc:

superdug, you mean FE and BE?

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kormoc:

what capture cards work on os x?

[18:39:53]

superdug:

yuppers

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superdug:

kormoc: HDHomeRun

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kormoc:

ahh

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superdug:

I use myth for OTA HD, boxee for most everything else, and amazon/itunes for movie rentals

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superdug:

I got tired of dropping $160 a month for 90% of channels I didn't watch or care about

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superdug:

so I made my own alacarte programming :-)

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superdug:

I wish HBO and Showtime would put their episodes on amazon/itunes more quickly though :-/

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superdug:

because I already get Starz through netflix streaming

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walstib1:

anybody using trunk with an hdpvr?

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iamlindoro:

a fair number of people are, yes

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iamlindoro:

but you'll likely need to ask a specific question as this channel is not strong on volunteerism

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walstib1:

mythfrontend is failing to play livetv – AFD Error: Could not open codec 0x7f584c08adb0, id(AAC) type(Audio) aborting. reason -1

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walstib1:

anyone have ideas?

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sphery:

I volunteer iamlindoro to answer--even though I don't think he's using his HD-PVR

[18:49:42]

iamlindoro:

He is, but does not volunteer for anythign without knowing the question

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iamlindoro:

thanks for ratting me out, sphery

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superdug:

what's an hdpvr?

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kormoc:

The google knows

[18:50:06]

sphery:

the PVR-150 for high definition TV

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superdug:

hauppage

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iamlindoro:

walstib1, Sounds like you have not compiled libfaad support into your copy of myth

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iamlindoro:

ie you have a recording with AAC audio, and a copy of myth not compiled to play it

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walstib1:

checking...

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sphery:

probably tells if you do: mythfrontend --version

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iamlindoro:

It was not a "maybe," it's a yes :)

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sphery:

(though --version would tell by omission)

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walstib1:

so libfaad doesn't show up in results from mythfrontend, so I guess it's not compiled in...Is there a command line parameter for the configure script for it?

[18:55:04]

iamlindoro:

--enable-libfaad

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iamlindoro:

though you need all the libfaad dev stuff installed, and some distros seem to have trouble with libfaad even then

[18:55:37]

iamlindoro:

for my money, use optical and just capture the raw AC3

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walstib1:

yeah I think I had it emabled like that before, but the build failed – trying again

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walstib1:

I'm on 64 bit Ubuntu 9.04

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iamlindoro:

walstib1, are you using packaged myth, and if so, who provides your packages?

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walstib1:

I'm compiling myself

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iamlindoro:

and actual trunk, not any backport patches, right?

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walstib1:

right – I updated my source from trunk yesterday

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iamlindoro:

If you are using trunk and can't get libfaad in properly, the mythbuntu trunk packages should provide a precompiled version that included libfaad

[18:59:02]

iamlindoro:

As they are one of the distros that is hit or miss with libfaad IIRC

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walstib1:

ok, thanks. I'll try that of this compile fails :)

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iamlindoro:

some broken mp4ff package as I recall, though it might have been all cleared up by now

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walstib1:

I didn't realize anyone packaged trunk

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iamlindoro:

Mythbuntu, linHES, mythdora, all have trunk packages

[19:00:40]

iamlindoro:

also, I hear all the cool kids are trying that new theme that makes evryone look more attractive

[19:00:47]

iamlindoro:

what's it called again, sphery?

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iamlindoro:

That one that's only for sexy people and kormoc and sphery?

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iamlindoro:

Way to be there when I need you

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iamlindoro:

It's called Graphite, and is by far the coolest trunk theme that makes you manually install fonts

[19:02:31]

iamlindoro:

In fact, of all themes only for trunk, it is by far the best of those which require terminal intervantion

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iamlindoro:

intervention

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sphery:

sorry... looked away at the wrong time.

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sphery:

It's Graphite!

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iamlindoro:

Yay!

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walstib1:

I'll have to check it out if/when I get everything working again

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: and here I thought it was melanotan.

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iamlindoro:

AndyCap, That's like a theme for your skin!

[19:12:23]

iamlindoro:

where spray on tan is the GANT of body modifications

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walstib1:

iamlindoro – thanks for the help -gotta run

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Sigi:

can someone help me? when i try to start MythMusic i get a error in console. Alsa cant find my PCM :S, i tryd different settings in the music settings default/standaart/ALSA:default/ALSA:hw:0,0/ /dev/dsp etc...

[19:32:29]

Sigi:

but non work

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bsdwarrior2:

I have a mythubuntu box hooked up to my tv. I have vertical lines that scroll on the screen and its blurry. how do you fix this. Its a brand new video card and I tried multiple tvs

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iamlindoro:

bsdwarrior2, laga's advice in the other channel is probably a good start, sounds like a ground loop indeed

[19:45:44]

bsdwarrior2:

I only have coax running to the tv currently. if it goes away how do you fix it?

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iamlindoro:

by grounding your coax

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bsdwarrior2:

I unplugged the coax. that is the problem.

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SHADOW_V1:

thanks guys for the job advice

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bsdwarrior2:

my other problem, I set the res to 1024x768 and some of the config menus still go off the screen. What settings do I change? I have gone threw all everything several times

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iamlindoro:

Use the appearance wizard

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->Screen Wizards (ish)

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iamlindoro:

bye, you're welcome

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jams:

the screen "wizard" wouldn't help that problem

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iamlindoro:

jams, Does it not affect Qt menus?

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jams:

nope

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jams:

only thing you can do for those is change the font size

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iamlindoro:

Or convert them all to MythUI :)

[20:00:46]

jams:

or use a different font all together

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jams:

or different qt style

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sphery:

or run mythtv-setup or mythfrontend temporarily smaller than normal with -geometry

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jams:

i bet those screens would still have text pushed off the edge

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sphery:

I'll bet that one of the config's he's talking about is the Playback Profiles group editor

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sphery:

you're right...

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sphery:

So, temporarily larger (and on a different monitor) with ssh -Y and -geometry :)

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jams:

there ya go that would work

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sphery:

I--like iamlindoro--was thinking overscan, but then I started mentioning the screen that requires large size...

[20:07:46]

sphery:

guess I fried my brain this morning at beach volleyball

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kormoc:

too many ladies eh?

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iamlindoro:

Sheesh, how is mythcontrols still a plugin?

[20:12:34]

gbee:

it ain't

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jams:

it isn't

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iamlindoro:

well. OK then. ;)

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jams:

oh hey welcome back gbee

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iamlindoro:

Seems like I had done a fresh check out more recently than that, but it's still sitting in my plugins dir somehow

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kormoc:

So... who knows debian?

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sid3windr:

I met her once or twice

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sid3windr:

wouldn't say I know her

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iamlindoro:

sid3windr, She said she was over 18?

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kormoc:

I'm trying to figure out the packages in http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/debia . . . i-alpha-2.6/

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro: they always do, don't they

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kormoc:

I have no idea if there's any sanity to those names or not

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sid3windr:

what are you trying to figure out?

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sid3windr:

not that I know about debian installer udebs though ;)

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kormoc:

how those files map to packages

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sid3windr:

they don't, they're installer parts

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sid3windr:

other than that, filename = package name + version + arch

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kormoc:

fine, how do they map to installer versions?

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sid3windr:

no clue

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kormoc:

cause there's some with larry/etch/etc but then there's ones with no code names at all...

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nambo:

through apt probably

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nambo:

lenny

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nambo:

Debian downloads updates automatically on install

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nambo:

based upon what you tell it to install

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kormoc:

Yeah, well, not actually using debian, so....

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sid3windr:

nambo: not for the installer parts :p

[20:18:12]

nambo:

kormoc: it's been pissing me off lately, i'm about to go back to gentoo

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sid3windr:

wouldn't be able to without the network drivers udeb anyway ;)

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nambo:

sid3windr: sure, it lets you pick what kind of install you want

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nambo:

well... some of those are part of the system

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sid3windr:

I don't think you're following ;)

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nambo:

i don't think i am either

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sphery:

iamlindoro: the plugin .so remains until you delete it--make install doesn't delete a former plugin :)

[20:19:24]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I don't mean the .so

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iamlindoro:

sphery, still have the code in both places

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

maybe svn was unable to delete it

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sphery:

ah, but you thought you did a fresh checkout...

[20:20:27]

iamlindoro:

yeah, not that it matters, just saw it there and got confused

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sphery:

I did a checkout when we first switched to svn and haven't done one since

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iamlindoro:

am documentint random bits of MythUI while bored

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iamlindoro:

s/documentint/documenting

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sphery:

but making that possible requires tar'ing up the svn up each time (to have a pristine/never-used copy)

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sphery:

because regarless of what people say, SVN checkouts get borked

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kormoc:

it's true

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sphery:

(and actually, I rm -r the dirs, then untar the last pristine tar file, then svn up, then tar for next time)

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iamlindoro:

There, the need to document has left me again

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cityLights1:

sphery: are you alive?

[20:30:02]

sphery:

yep

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cityLights1:

great

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jams:

cityLights1- do you know something we dont?

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cityLights1:

well , I found your answer regarding the EXPORT needed for ati users to run mythtv 0.21 fixes

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jams:

should sphery be concerned

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cityLights1:

I found your anser in the begining of the month here in the channel

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iamlindoro:

You should probably get tested

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sphery:

did it help?

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cityLights1:

jams: guess not....

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cityLights1:

yes it solved the problem

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cityLights1:

but now I want to migrate all the stuff I recorded using trunk to 0.21fixes

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cityLights1:

how can I do that?

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sphery:

that's a much more challenging issue... :)

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cityLights1:

iamlindoro: hi dear

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cityLights1:

aint it just a matter of sql magic?

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** iamlindoro prays that is a translation error **

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iamlindoro:

Hello darling

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sphery:

You can a) move the files in place and use (the legacy, not-well-maintained, use-at-your-own-risk) myth.rebuild_database.pl to "import them", but you'll have to type in title/subtitle/description for most/all shows

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sphery:

or b) put the recordings into MythVideo and watch them there (what I would do)

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cityLights1:

I guess I should see sasha baron cohen movie

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sphery:

or c) wait for reruns :)

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cityLights1:

hmm what is mythVideo....

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cityLights1:

google?

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sphery:

pulling the right info out of the new-schema-format database is way more challenging than it's worth (even if I could be guaranteed we'd never again change the tables that store the info, I still wouldn't make a "backport" functionality for recordings)

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sphery:

MythVideo is what you could use to watch your DVD rip of Sasha Baron Cohen movies

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo

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Kindar:

I've been trying to get an Avermedia M150-D card working on my rather old debian box, and I've got the drivers installed and the firmware cooperating (or so it all says), but when I try to open the video device in mplayer, I get static and garbage. The wiki doesn't even mention the problem, so anybody have any suggestions?

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kormoc:

try in #linuxtv?

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cityLights1:

o ok

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cityLights1:

I just want to say that actually writing psedo code in the data stuctures assigments are time consuming

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sphery:

Even if you're not a watch & delete person, you can throw the episodes into MythVideo, then let your system record the reruns for the TV section (and, once it does, delete the copy from MythVideo)

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sphery:

cityLights1: have you uninstalled trunk, yet?

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sphery:

There's also some kind of "native export" thing in MythArchive that might work

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sphery:

I don't know a thing about it, though

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sphery:

basically, do the export, then downgrade, then there's a native import in MythArchive

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cityLights1:

no I didnt uninstall trunk yet

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cityLights1:

got some shnitzel

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cityLights1:

piece of chicken breast

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mytharchive#To_cre . . . chive_backup

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sphery:

cityLights1: ^^^

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cityLights1:

sweet

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cityLights1:

btw the trunk I am using has many things-went-wrong that used to work fine

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cityLights1:

20721

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sphery:

that's why they call it the development branch instead of the stable branch :)

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cityLights1:

still I can report some issues

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sphery:

yeah, if they're confirmed bugs, report them

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sphery:

but if it's just stuff that's not finished

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cityLights1:

too bad I can't run bath

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cityLights1:

both

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sphery:

or stuff that's known to be broken (i.e. because of other development)

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cityLights1:

think I will another schnizel

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cityLights1:

ok

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cityLights1:

off

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cityLights1:

thanks

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gbee:

if it's chicken, wouldn't Goujan be a better description?

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cityLights1:

ha?

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gbee:

maybe that's not important right now

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cityLights1:

bye

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cityLights1:

tommorow

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** iamlindoro checks his meds **

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iamlindoro:

OK, most/all of the low hanging fruit in MythUI is documented now, but recordings-ui.xml, schedule-ui.xml and music-ui.xml make me crazy, I just don't see myself documenting them

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laga:

bah. now running eclipse over ssh -X and it's still dog slow. i wonder if i'm seeing this bug in xcb some people were talking about

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iamlindoro:

Unless I get *really* restless at some point

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gbee:

100cc of Vodka, 1000cc of beer ... meds seem correct

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iamlindoro:

and "showcategories" in the guidegrid widget weems not to do anything at all

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iamlindoro:

er seems

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iamlindoro:

presumably it should suppress the category colors when set to true, but it doesn't

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iamlindoro:

er when set to false

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sphery:

laga: are you sure the "Xcb bug" people were talking about isn't just that Xcb now expects clients to be correct and will terminate the app if they're not. That's "fixed" by telling Xcb to work like before (i.e. allow broken clients): export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1

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laga:

sphery: no, they used the nagle aglrotihm on remote apps which made them slow

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sphery:

Oh.

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laga:

my spelling tells me i need to go to bed ;)

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sphery:

Just wondered--haven't seen any discussion of eclipse (or, it seems ssh) and Xcb, but I've seen a lot of people blaming Xcb now that it defaults to killing broken clients (when in fact the bug is in the app).

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laga:

sphery: no, i would have noticed if eclipse got killed ;)

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** laga is not that braindead yet when working **

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chris__:

Hi guys, wonder if someone can help?

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ben_:

Hi @all, perhaps any Floppy- or FireDTV users around?

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chris__:

I have my macmini connected to my TV via composite.

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chris__:

frontend doesn't start up (only XFCE)

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chris__:

I think it's using the wrong screen or something

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chris__:

as x11vnc doesn't work either

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chris__:

Can someone suggest why, or point me to which logs to check?

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mazda01:

how could I manually tell a mythvideo movie metadata to look for a certain jpg for it's artwork?

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laga:

there. patched my libxcb with https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=26071 and now eclipse is flying over remote x11

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Evil_Ether:

is it possible to continuously record the last 15 minutes of a channel?

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Dibblah:

Evil_Ether: No.

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*, some weird interaction between my hardware and samba causes hangs during heavy use-- not really myth related, but a bummer :)

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Evil_Ether:

Dibblah do you know if is it a technical restriction or just no ones been that interested in that feature?

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iamlindoro:

There are numerous reasons you wouldn't want an ongoing ringbuffer

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Dibblah:

It's a silly feature, so it's not implemented.

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Dibblah:

;)

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iamlindoro:

not the least of which is hammering the hell out of your drives

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Dibblah:

20mbits/s is hardly hammering ;)

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iamlindoro:

drastically increased power requirements, increased noise, conflicts with the scheduler, and of course, the limited usefulness that has already mentioned

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah, 24/7 writing is

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Evil_Ether:

this is for a security camera on the front door and not tv

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iamlindoro:

Myth is the wrong app for a security camera, use zoneminder

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Evil_Ether:

could the out put of that be inported to myth live?

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iamlindoro:

No, but myth has its own ZoneMinder plugin, and zoneminder has its own management/review functionality

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Evil_Ether:

cool thanks for the help

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superdug:

zoneminder is kind of clunky ... I've found motion to be absolutely perfect

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superdug:

simple design ... easy to setup ... and it does everything a security camera is supposed to

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edoceo:

After installing on my xubuntu machine do I just set mythtv as the front end some place?

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mazda01:

how could I manually tell a mythvideo movie metadata to look for a certain jpg for it's artwork?

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