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Thursday, June 18th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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AnNahar:

hi

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AnNahar:

help friends

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SHADOW_V2:

iamlindoro, apparently 33 is the new 18

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AnNahar:

Couldn't find theme /usr/share/mythtv/themes/ProjectGrayhem

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AnNahar:

Destroying SipFsm object

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AnNahar:

the theme is there

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2, If I want a tongue lashing, I can pay for that kind of thing, no need to have amateurs do it for me on the internet ;)

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SHADOW_V2:

heh agreed

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iamlindoro:

AnNahar, It's very likely that the version of the theme you have is incompatible with the version of myth you are running

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AnNahar:

iamlindoro: ok

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AnNahar:

what do i do

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AnNahar:

mythfrontend ... what to use a generic theme?

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iamlindoro:

you can temporarily override the running theme with something like:

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iamlindoro:

mythfrontend -O Theme=G.A.N.T

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iamlindoro:

then go in and change it in the UI once you have a frontend started-- Utilities/Setup->Setup->Appearance

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AnNahar:

i did that

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AnNahar:

and changed to something else

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AnNahar:

and i restarted and it crashed again

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AnNahar:

Couldn't find theme /usr/share/mythtv/themes/MythCenter

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you have a whole bunch of incompatible themes

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iamlindoro:

I would reinstall your themes from an identical revision as your mythfrontend, personally

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AnNahar:

mythtv-themes-0.22–0.4.svn.r20488.fc11.noarch

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iamlindoro:

Why are you running trunk?

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AnNahar:

it seems im running mythtv-0.21

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AnNahar:

i wonder why they put that new one in the repos

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** SHADOW_V2 pulls up a seat **

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iamlindoro:

None of the trunk versions of themes are going to work on .21

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AnNahar:

yeah, i see that

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AnNahar:

i wonder why they did that

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AnNahar:

all my rpms are myth .21 and the themes is .22

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iamlindoro:

I really, really doubt that it's a packager error

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AnNahar:

well, i really, really know that when i put yum install mythtv-themes that this is the one it installed

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iamlindoro:

Especially as nobody else running fedora has complained about themes not working

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iamlindoro:

well, whatever, there's your answer, now you can fix it

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AnNahar:

ok, rpm -e mythtv-themes

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darkdrgn2k3:

"HDMI does work fine without using the alsa-base edit for me, you only need to set myth as under general where you set MYTH:spdif change to MYTH:hdmi and then on the next line from iec958 change to hdmi as well and go through the menu to finish. I DO NOT use an asound or asoundrc file on either of my machines, I have the bedroom machine connected to the TV hdmi input and no problems."

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darkdrgn2k3:

but when i look at the config i dont see "HDMI" as an option

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pizzledizzle:

wow still cant find the problem

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pizzledizzle:

it's so annoying. all i did was add serial ir blaster and now livetv doesnt work

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SHADOW_V2:

so figure it out

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SHADOW_V2:

people told you what you needed to do

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AnNahar:

mythtv-themes noarch 0.22–0.4.svn.r20488.fc11 rpmfusion-free-updates 55 M

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pizzledizzle:

SHADOW_V2 im trying to figure out. that's why im here. i did everything that was suggested and nothign helped

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darkdrgn2k3:

pizzledizzle: did you check your mythbackend and frontend logs?

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darkdrgn2k3:

pizzledizzle: usualy they tell you whats not working

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pizzledizzle:

darkdrgn2k, http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f502399a6

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SHADOW_V2:

hmm then you didnt just add a serial ir blaster

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darkdrgn2k3:

83.2009-06–17 18:29:44.434 External Tuning program exited with no error

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squish102:

can someone point me to a website that has supported tuner cards?

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iamlindoro:

squish102, linuxtv.org

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squish102:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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darkdrgn2k3:

http://www.lmgtfy.com?q=supported+mythtv+tuners

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pizzledizzle:

darkdrgn2k3, apparently the channel change script may be taking too long to change. gonna see if i can fix that

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sphery:

pizzledizzle: backgrounding stuff works

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sphery:

pizzledizzle: if you need to have delays that take longer than Myth allows, have the channel change script Myth calls call another script that actually does the channel change, but background it so from Myth's perspective, it changes immediately

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clever:

sphery: ive done that with my blast+check script

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clever:

it basicaly snaps a photo of the STB with a webcam and verifys the channel

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clever:

and then reblasts, if needed

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SHADOW_V2:

is there a way for mythweb to show wwhat tunner it recorded from

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sphery:

only the backend logs show which input is used to record

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sphery:

i.e.: 2009-06–07 19:59:41.508 Started recording: The Simpsons "How the Test Was Won": channel 1351 on cardid 1, sourceid 1

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clever:

and mythweb can show the logs, on one of the tabs

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sphery:

if you have enabled database logging, you may have some (small number of) those in the DB

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clever:

yeah db logging would have to be on

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sphery:

and it likely only keeps the last 100 messages or so

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sphery:

(many of which aren't Started recording)

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SHADOW_V2:

hmm

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SHADOW_V2:

for the first time with the current qam line up i think i will actually use recording multiple shows off of a multiplex

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pizzledizzle:

ok guys i fixed my problem. apparently the script took too long to change the channel (4 digits)

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pizzledizzle:

thanks for all the help

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linagee:

is there a way to get new shows on TV?

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linagee:

time machine +6 months into the future perhaps?

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linagee:

email TV networks and tell them they suck and have stale content?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, but step one involves billions of dollars, and step two involves owning a TV network

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sphery:

iamlindoro: now that Fox cancelled T:TSCC, perhaps we could get their time machine at a nice discount

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iamlindoro:

I hear it's one way, better get it right

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iamlindoro:

plus you have to work on your beach body first

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

and, for step 2, NBC ought to be going under soon, right?

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sphery:

could buy it up on the cheap

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SHADOW_V2:

nbc is going under?

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iamlindoro:

We could have a high school drama club do shows, the quality would go way up

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sphery:

isn't that Fox's Glee?

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iamlindoro:

That show will be good

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iamlindoro:

Kristin Chenoweth has a 4 episode arc in the first season, that's good

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: what with NBC's being the lowest-rated network and the Jay Leno experiment...

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SHADOW_V2:

jay leno experiment? apparnetly i am out of the loop

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sphery:

next season, NBC is airing a primetime "variety" show with Jay Leno. 1-hour episodes, 5 days a week.

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SHADOW_V2:

oh

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sphery:

first time anyone's dedicated 5hrs of primetime/week to the same show (at least in fairly-recent memory)

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SHADOW_V2:

how does he have so much money for just being a comedian

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SHADOW_V2:

he isnt even funny

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SHADOW_V2:

and he has a rediculous car collection

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sphery:

but Headlines was good

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iamlindoro:

I've never cared for Leno

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iamlindoro:

And giving up timeslots that ought to go to things that might actually be decent is a shame

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SHADOW_V2:

how do you guys control cpu throttling

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SHADOW_V2:

eh thats the problem with getting a 2350 sure its 45 watts but its so slow

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sphery:

I find that BOINC allows me to always know my CPU's state :)

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iamlindoro:

I don't touch/worry about it.

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iamlindoro:

Sigh, finally got *one* Blu ray season of Lost ripped

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iamlindoro:

and only 250 GB later

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iamlindoro:

+ 24 hours

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sphery:

is lost really worth 250GB + 24hrs?

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sphery:

especially since you've already seen them

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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iamlindoro:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Now I get to see them again in 1080p

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iamlindoro:

Plus, disk = cheap

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sphery:

so they've only released 2 seasons on Blu (or you're just waiting to buy others)?

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iamlindoro:

4 are out

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iamlindoro:

I own Season 4 already, bought 1–3 yesterday

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iamlindoro:

1–2 came out yesterday

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sphery:

ah... thought you said you were going to pick up 1 & 2, but I guess it was 1, 2, 3

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iamlindoro:

I did say that, just decided to finish off the set

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iamlindoro:

had enough Best buy gift cards that the whole shebang cost me $3.68 :)

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sphery:

argg! how can I get things straight if you're telling me lies?

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iamlindoro:

Confusion to the enemy!

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sphery:

I have a $50 BB gift card I have to use. Not sure what I'll buy, but I'm considering Red Faction: Guerilla

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sphery:

"We can quantify efficiency even better by considering the amount of energy used to render the scene." ... Ummm, only if you ensure that you power off the computer when it's not 100% loaded... ( http://techreport.com/articles.x/12616/13 )

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2 got me interested in reading about the BE-2350 (as I'm about to purchase an X2 5050e (2.6GHz dual core 45W TDP)

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sphery:

his slow comment made me worry for a moment

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, yeah mine is slow

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SHADOW_V2:

that newer one should be much faster

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sphery:

it's a single core 2.1GHz, right?

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SHADOW_V2:

it makes me sad

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SHADOW_V2:

no

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SHADOW_V2:

dual core 2.3

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

yeah, X2... Missed that

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sphery:

though the one in the techreport article is a 2.1GHz

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sphery:

(it was an early one)

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SHADOW_V2:

hmm i htough it was 2.3 where can i check that on the machine

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sphery:

cat /proc/cpuinfo

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** sphery thinks he's missing something important about the "new web" **

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sphery:

"Update 7/15/07: We have now tested the Core 2 Duo E4300 with integrated graphics, as well, and the results are intriguing. The full details are here ( http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/12872 )." ... But the link takes me to a page that just says that Intel asked them about it (like one of those Digg things or something). Anyone know how to get to the results?

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iamlindoro:

Quote trout!

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iamlindoro:

!trout sphery quote

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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a quote trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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sphery:

I deserved that...

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SHADOW_V2:

oh sorry its a be-2400

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SHADOW_V2:

model name : AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual Core Processor BE-2400

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SHADOW_V2:

stepping : 2

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SHADOW_V2:

cpu MHz : 2310.487

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SHADOW_V2:

cache size : 512 KB

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iamlindoro:

PASTE TROUT!

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SHADOW_V2:

nooooo

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iamlindoro:

!trout SHADOW_V2 paste

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** MythLogBot slaps SHADOW_V2 with a paste trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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sphery:

ah, explains the 200MHz

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SHADOW_V2:

but still i feel like it is slow

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SHADOW_V2:

but again the only other server i can directly compare it to is a intel 8400

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SHADOW_V2:

but even without using that as a scomparison i do feel as if it is a bit slugish

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sphery:

my 2.6GHz won't be much faster (but will still be fast compared to most of my systems--especially with how I'll use it)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ive got one of those in my backend

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sphery:

cool

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SHADOW_V2:

yeah i mean while comm flagging itll do over 300fps on sd

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wagnerrp:

cant quite manage the BR/HDDVD stuff

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wagnerrp:

but it doesnt everything else ive got quite nicely

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wagnerrp:

havent tested any of the HDPVR demo clips though...

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sphery:

I'm getting it primarily because my Living Room Computer (LRC) has an annoyingly loud CPU fan on it and since it's a Socket A Sempron, it's not even worth buying a better HSF for it.

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SHADOW_V2:

yeah

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, i have to say it is pretty quiet

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sphery:

good to know... Sounds like good performance.

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sphery:

quiet is good.

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SHADOW_V2:

and right now its comm flagging 2 sd qam records at over 400fps each while watching a sd wam recording

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SHADOW_V2:

so for being 45 watt and being atleast a year or 2 old its worth it

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sphery:

Though my TV shows will be so different without the sound of a truck in the background (yeah, it's really loud)

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sphery:

nice

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wagnerrp:

i was a bit disappointed by the HS/F that came with it

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wagnerrp:

its not bad.... but its not up to par with the one i got with my last AMD DC

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k-man:

sometimes, when i select a recording to watch, i just get a black screen for about 20 seconds and then it drops me back into mythfrontend to select a recording to watch. if i try again to watch the same recording it works – anyone else have that problem?

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sphery:

really? that's too bad. I've been very pleased with the HSF's I've gotten with all my 64-bit AMD's so far

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sphery:

k-man: likely you're "starting it too soon"

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k-man:

sphery: too soon after what?

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sphery:

k-man: you probably have live previews enabled (the little video in watch recordings)

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k-man:

yeah- i do

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sphery:

if so, let it start moving before hitting play

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wagnerrp:

its certainly adequate, and fairly inaudible next to the MBE/fileserver sitting right below it

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k-man:

oh... what happens if you don't?

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wagnerrp:

but the one that came with my opteron would have sold for $35+ after market

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sphery:

I'm guessing that it's just getting all hung up trying to read from the file (likely over a network?) and can't read it, so it just goes back to watch recordings

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sphery:

then when you try again, it reads it (thanks to caching)

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wagnerrp:

of course this is a $60 CPU, compared to the previous $330 CPU

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iamlindoro:

Hope we get the video widget someday soonish, that's one of those things I had in mind for Graphite

[02:12:22]

sphery:

yeah, I'd expect better quality HSF on a $330 CPU

[02:12:33]

iamlindoro:

To make the selected item in the recording grid the video preview

[02:12:36]

k-man:

sphery: frontend and backend are on same machine – so its not network, but thats interesting what you say

[02:12:46]

wagnerrp:

but i think the opteron was only 65W TDP

[02:12:51]

sphery:

k-man: just try going a little bit slower and see if it helps

[02:13:21]

k-man:

sphery: its still annoying. yeah – ill try that. would the frontend output any error message when that happens do you think?

[02:13:35]

sphery:

if so, my recommendation is to live with it for now (as 0.22 code is /very/ different, so will either not have the problem or will need a completely different patch, so it's not worth fixing 0.21-fixes)

[02:13:53]

wagnerrp:

anyway, any of the stock AMD coolers ive gotten with a64 systems would be perfectly fine in a quiet system

[02:14:10]

wagnerrp:

the only thing i have to worry about on my FE is a crappy NB cooler

[02:14:18]

wagnerrp:

and thats quiet enough running at half speed

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sphery:

k-man: don't know--I never looked

[02:15:33]

k-man:

sphery: ok – anyway thanks for the suggestion

[02:15:56]

sphery:

k-man: trying to reproduce it, but I've so far only gotten the corrupt video (gray screen with a few colored macroblocks)

[02:16:06]

sphery:

and there was no error for that one :)

[02:16:13]

k-man:

sphery: which version you running?

[02:16:42]

sphery:

0.21-fixes

[02:16:52]

k-man:

same here

[02:17:17]

sphery:

Anyway, I've found that giving it a slight delay works well

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sphery:

might get the same benefit without the delay if you disable live previews

[02:17:43]

sphery:

"slight delay" = ~1 or 2 seconds

[02:17:50]

sphery:

probably closer to 1

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k-man:

ok

[02:18:01]

k-man:

thanks

[02:18:34]

sphery:

oh, and you can get that delay without even thinking about it if you let your remote batteries get really low

[02:18:52]

k-man:

hehe

[02:18:53]

k-man:

thanks

[02:18:56]

k-man:

anyway bbl

[02:19:59]

sphery:

heh... I gave up trying to reproduce it, then went back to the show I was watching and accidentally reproduced it.

[02:20:05]

sphery:

You should see "NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times."

[02:20:17]

wagnerrp:

awesome... untested homeopathic medicine found to cause long term loss of smell

[02:20:20]

sphery:

a /bunch/ of those

[02:20:35]

wagnerrp:

damn hippies and their natural medicines

[02:20:50]

sphery:

k-man: so, yeah, there's an error in frontend logs ^^^

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[02:24:29]

sphery:

kormoc's name reminds me that I need to make a MythWeb patch to put themoviedb/thetvdb searches into the MythWeb Details page.

[02:25:11]

sphery:

kormoc: for that would you want them in additon to the "Search TV.com"/"Search IMDB" links?

[02:25:56]

kormoc:

Hrm... Would make sense to

[02:26:03]

sphery:

ok

[02:26:18]

sphery:

Can I put the "open" ones first, though? :)

[02:26:39]

kormoc:

Yes!

[02:26:44]

sphery:

sweet!

[02:26:51]

iamlindoro:

Loud noises!

[02:27:22]

iamlindoro:

Credit to anyone who got that reference

[02:27:31]

SHADOW_V2:

i get DSC over qam now but not HD :(

[02:27:34]

iamlindoro:

You hear that? Bears. You've put the whole station in Jeopardy.

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sphery:

only remaining question is how to capitalize themoviedb

[02:28:19]

sphery:

TheTVDB looks right (and is that way on their page/logo). themoviedb is all lower on their page/logo

[02:28:25]

wagnerrp:

did Brick yell 'loud noises'?

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iamlindoro:

Yep

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2, In most (all?) places Discovery is part of the basic lineup (which is what will end up being clear QAM after Comcast drops analog in a market) and Discovery HD is part of an upgraded digital package

[02:32:21]

SHADOW_V2:

aww shucks

[02:32:25]

iamlindoro:

now, if cable companies start breaking the mold and offering HD channels that aren't network TV in their basic tier, then you might have a shot

[02:32:33]

iamlindoro:

but I think that's a long way off

[02:32:35]

SHADOW_V2:

yeah

[02:32:43]

iamlindoro:

as in, when a channel being HD is the rule rather than the exception

[02:32:48]

SHADOW_V2:

guess i am going to add the box again try over firewire

[02:32:56]

SHADOW_V2:

right

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2, you got SCTE65scan to work?

[02:33:22]

SHADOW_V2:

no keeps giving me the error and no one responded in linuxtv

[02:33:30]

iamlindoro:

you could write Dennis Lou

[02:33:37]

iamlindoro:

His e-mail should be in the code somewhere

[02:33:43]

iamlindoro:

he's also on the users list and responds

[02:34:00]

SHADOW_V2:

on the mythtv user lists

[02:34:04]

iamlindoro:

yes

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SHADOW_V2:

ah alright i think ill do that

[02:34:41]

SHADOW_V2:

but i wouldnt want to give him a direct email dont want to bother the guy when sc65 may not be in my area yet

[02:34:55]

iamlindoro:

Well, the fact that the PID appers is compelling to me

[02:34:59]

iamlindoro:

er appears

[02:35:03]

iamlindoro:

and it pulls the system time

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SHADOW_V2:

ah ok so theres hope

[02:35:10]

iamlindoro:

which means (to me) that there *is* SCTE-65 info

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SHADOW_V2:

ah ok

[02:35:26]

SHADOW_V2:

yeah because it does find atleast one it just errors out

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iamlindoro:

Dennis has been pretty receptive and has made code changes to help people in the recent past, asking him would not hurt at all

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wagnerrp:

why would you put a 5MP webcam on top of a 2MP monitor?

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SHADOW_V2:

wagnerrp, because you like 3mp variances

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iamlindoro:

Is the monitor is question a cell phone?

[02:38:36]

wagnerrp:

na, webcam attached to a 24" monitor

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iamlindoro:

I can see the application, though, allow gramma to get a picture of the grandkid that's printable

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wagnerrp:

dell 20" widescreen for $89, if anyone is looking for a spare

[02:42:06]

kormoc:

new?

[02:42:43]

wagnerrp:

straight from dell... but it looks like the deal is over

[02:43:06]

kormoc:

sad

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iamlindoro:

Am hoping the next time they offer the $154 HD-PVR is sometime *after* the $100 gift card they owe me arrives

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iamlindoro:

Especially since the card is only good for 3 months

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sphery:

exactly how is it you get all these gift cards?

[02:44:53]

iamlindoro:

Bought a lappie at work, I keep the prizes :)

[02:45:03]

sphery:

wow

[02:45:05]

sphery:

nice deal

[02:45:11]

iamlindoro:

small work

[02:45:57]

iamlindoro:

Right now it's $214 there, if they run a 25% off coupon on peripherals that would get it right about the right place too

[02:47:08]

iamlindoro:

sigh

[02:47:11]

iamlindoro:

"The only downfall to this machine (for me) is that the machine must be turned ON for me to play my games! "

[02:47:17]

SHADOW_V2:

wagnerrp, if my Bit error is above 0 what does that mean my signal isnt as clean as it should be?

[02:47:20]

iamlindoro:

Thoughtful reviews

[02:48:03]

sphery:

newegg techies?

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wagnerrp:

SHADOW_V2: is that... sex panther youre wearing?

[02:48:21]

iamlindoro:

Dell review, so one step worse

[02:48:33]

iamlindoro:

It's got bits of real panther, so you know it's good

[02:48:59]

SHADOW_V2:

wagnerrp, yes made from bits of panthers

[02:49:03]

SHADOW_V2:

oh come on

[02:49:24]

iamlindoro:

My Anchorman-fu is strong

[02:49:39]

iamlindoro:

You are no match for my Burgundy Sword Style

[02:49:55]

SHADOW_V2:

but do you have a mustache to back it up

[02:50:08]

iamlindoro:

I don't know how to tell you this, but.. I'm kind of a big deal

[02:50:26]

wagnerrp:

if you want to throw down in fisticuffs, fine... ive got Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary waiting for ya

[02:50:53]

sphery:

I recorded Anchorman in Sept 2007 and still haven't watched it.

[02:50:56]

iamlindoro:

This is yet another moview thoughtfull purchased for $3.99 on HD-DVd :)

[02:51:02]

iamlindoro:

movie thoughtfully

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iamlindoro:

Mmm, Wes Mantooth

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iamlindoro:

My favorite scenes are the anchor throwdowns

[02:53:21]

iamlindoro:

Como Esta, B**ches?

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SHADOW_V2:

heh now i want to watch again

[02:54:33]

SHADOW_V2:

THANKS guys

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iamlindoro:

I had a trident!

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iamlindoro:

Yes, you're going to want to lay low or hide out somewhere, because you're probably wanted for murder

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k-man:

could you repurpose a myka as a mythtv frontend?

[03:19:44]

k-man:

the hardware looks kind of good and a good price too

[03:20:23]

iamlindoro:

in spite of what people on the users list think, the answer is "probably not"

[03:20:31]

iamlindoro:

at least, not without more or less rewriting myth

[03:20:42]

iamlindoro:

and reverse-engineering the video decode DSP in it

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k-man:

iamlindoro: so you can't just install linux on it?

[03:20:56]

k-man:

oh its always the video dsp that gets in the way

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iamlindoro:

It already runs linux, as I understand it, but yeah, the issue is no public API for the video decoder

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k-man:

iamlindoro: oh, i see – oh well

[03:21:25]

iamlindoro:

As it's just yet another Sigma Designs DSP based box

[03:21:39]

iamlindoro:

Same hardware as the Popcornhour, Sage HD extender, etc.

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k-man:

iamlindoro: ah, thats interesting

[03:22:20]

k-man:

is there any video hardware that is capable of playing back HD that has open drivers?

[03:22:20]

iamlindoro:

Which is admittedly a neat chip, but it would be even *more* neat if they would open source at least the API

[03:22:38]

iamlindoro:

Well, there's hardware with an open API-- nVidia's VDPAU

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k-man:

iamlindoro: yeah – i really don't understand why you wouldn't open the api

[03:22:46]

iamlindoro:

which Myth has support for in trunk

[03:23:11]

iamlindoro:

Which is why everyone is very excited about the ION boxes, which are tiny, low posered boxes that use VDPAU

[03:23:12]

sphery:

because they're locked in an ancient world of control

[03:23:23]

iamlindoro:

But for my money, software decode is still where it's at

[03:23:32]

iamlindoro:

especially with some awesome improvements coming soon to ffmpeg

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sphery:

software decode ftw!

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iamlindoro:

There's no hardware that can put up with the wonky, broken streams that broadcasters and users like to throw at their boxes-- ffmpeg does it with aplomb

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k-man:

i keep having this dream of setting up a company to make and sell devices like the myka but specificly for the free software world, so using hardware that is open

[03:24:37]

k-man:

iamlindoro: oh? whats happening with ffmpeg?

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iamlindoro:

We should see their generic multithreaded decode for all codecs merged sometime this year

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iamlindoro:

meaning all those multi-core boxes suddenly start to make mincement of stuff that has previously had to be encoded within very specific parameters to work right

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k-man:

iamlindoro: oh... i see – so we'd suddenly get a lot more use out of current cpus

[03:25:29]

iamlindoro:

Right

[03:25:39]

k-man:

yeah – that is cool

[03:25:50]

iamlindoro:

so a low to mid end core 2, which could be in a tiny case and nearly passively cooled, becomes capable of anything you throw at it

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k-man:

and i hear 6 core cpus are coming soon too

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iamlindoro:

and it does so while being many many times more resilient to broken streams

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sphery:

k-man: read up on OpenMoko before going too far down the open hardware road

[03:26:30]

k-man:

sphery: ok, sounds interesting

[03:27:07]

iamlindoro:

Plus, you could do it all on a box with 100% open source :)

[03:27:16]

sphery:

yay!

[03:27:20]

iamlindoro:

(ie a wisely chosen Intel GPU)

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k-man:

iamlindoro: do all what?

[03:28:08]

iamlindoro:

Which means my $200 2 year old Dell Hybrid becomes a more capable box than any ION box :)

[03:28:39]

iamlindoro:

decode any codec with ease, on a system that is silent, all open source

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iamlindoro:

Not locked into certain encoding pracitces, certain codecs, or closed source drivers

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k-man:

iamlindoro: right – yes, that would/will be really cool

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iamlindoro:

and a stream that renders VDPAU a mushy mess plays without a problem in software :)

[03:29:45]

k-man:

i am holding off upgrading my hardware until i get an hd capable tv – and I'm glad I'm waiting as things are really changing quickly

[03:29:52]

iamlindoro:

(examples being msot people's television feeds from time to time)

[03:30:25]

k-man:

so vdpau is very prone to problem streams?

[03:30:29]

iamlindoro:

Per some conversations I've had with the ffmpeg guys, multiple big improvements that are relevant to myth coming, of which that one is probably the most exciting

[03:30:36]

iamlindoro:

VDPAU is great when it works

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iamlindoro:

and I don't want to diminish how nice/important it is

[03:31:01]

iamlindoro:

As I think it *does* encourage other companies to co-operate with the community

[03:31:26]

iamlindoro:

but yes, most of us have experienced streams that software decode plays without complain, only to find that with VDPAU, some random bit flip makes it soup

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sphery:

how often are the hard locks, anymore?

[03:32:00]

sphery:

did they get those ironed out, yet?

[03:32:10]

iamlindoro:

I think gbee had one a few weeks back, but I think they are largely resolved

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sphery:

cool

[03:32:29]

iamlindoro:

A lot of which are due to improvements in myth's code, too

[03:32:44]

iamlindoro:

Mark has swooped in and delivered for myth these past few months

[03:33:04]

iamlindoro:

the video out refactorization is great, but I'm also quite excited about his multithreaded software deinterlace stuff

[03:33:31]

iamlindoro:

the multithread deinterlace + generic multithreaded decode from ffmpeg, plus his ongoing improvement of the deinterlacers is a magic recipe IMO

[03:33:52]

sphery:

yeah

[03:33:58]

iamlindoro:

And with gnome42 knocking out player bugs right and left, well... it's an exciting time to be into myth

[03:34:22]

sphery:

all his parts are going in nicely... just need the ffmpeg part to get finished up...

[03:34:45]

iamlindoro:

Yeah... I'd be a bit surprised to see ffmpeg-mt make it in in time for .22, still

[03:36:06]

k-man:

wow – exciting stuff

[03:36:31]

k-man:

is there rumblings about when .22 might be released? (appart from when its ready yada yada yada)

[03:36:44]

iamlindoro:

Pure guesswork on my part says late summer

[03:36:57]

iamlindoro:

But most of the core devs have expressed a desire to get there soon

[03:37:13]

iamlindoro:

MythUI's basics are really more there than it appears when running trunk

[03:37:30]

iamlindoro:

I have *almost* gotten to the end of a theme I'm working on, and so I've figured out what's left to covnert, and it's not much

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k-man:

iamlindoro: right – thats interesting

[03:37:56]

iamlindoro:

Of course, that's just converting it to the basic framework-- most of the remaining eye candy stuff will go in from .22->.23

[03:39:14]

iamlindoro:

Beyond that, there's some stabilization that needs to take place, some people's pet projects, and an ffmpeg sync, and finishing Terra

[03:39:28]

k-man:

what is Terra?

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iamlindoro:

that's just my list of things I still expect for .22 off the top of my list, and is by no means definitive

[03:39:36]

iamlindoro:

The new default Myth theme

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k-man:

oh

[03:40:17]

k-man:

hmmm – looks quite nice

[03:40:36]

k-man:

god, i really need to get an HD tv

[03:40:42]

sphery:

definitely not Terra-ble

[03:41:22]

iamlindoro:

har har

[03:42:12]

iamlindoro:

k-man, yes, none of the in-progress themes are intended for SD or 4:3

[03:42:26]

iamlindoro:

old SDTV users may feel a bit left out come .22 :)

[03:42:39]

sphery:

or will they feel included in?

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sphery:

(i.e. included in the group of people who have work to do--in their case, designing new themes)

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iamlindoro:

Then there's Graphite, the theme written by sexy people, for Sexy people

[03:44:38]

SHADOW_V2:

wow i am getting channels over firewire that a year ago i wasnt

[03:46:06]

k-man:

hmm... thats interesting also

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, Drat! I can't use it then!

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** kormoc sulks **

[03:46:36]

iamlindoro:

Sexy people and kormoc

[03:46:41]

kormoc:

Yay!

[03:46:52]

sphery:

but only after you buy that bottle of bacon vodka

[03:47:03]

iamlindoro:

It's terrible! <drinks whole bottle>

[03:47:13]

kormoc:

It's on the list!

[03:47:24]

kormoc:

I've had homemade bacon vodka before, does that count?

[03:47:36]

iamlindoro:

Bacon in the left cheek, vodka in the right?

[03:47:56]

kormoc:

nah, just toss a few strips into a bottle of vodka, shake every few hours for a few days, drink

[03:48:23]

iamlindoro:

I have a big bottle of Poland's finest I brought back 5 or so years ago, it's been sitting sealed on the shelf for a long time

[03:48:43]

kormoc:

360 vodka is actually quite yummy and cheap

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iamlindoro:

I'm actually a little anxious about hosting Graphite, it could be a lot of download bandwidth-- and I hate sites like rapidshare

[03:51:58]

kormoc:

how large is it?

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iamlindoro:

Was 23 MB, now down to 3 or so after a cleanup :)

[03:52:13]

kormoc:

Hehe, nice

[03:52:20]

kormoc:

actually screw it, we'll host it

[03:52:23]

iamlindoro:

I had left a TON of junk in there over its whole evolution

[03:52:25]

kormoc:

it'll go into svn.mythtv.org

[03:52:49]

iamlindoro:

That'd be great, assuming no objections by the boss

[03:52:54]

kormoc:

We have a non-core theme directory, might as well toss it in there with the rest

[03:52:58]

iamlindoro:

(who doesn't like my use of negative coordinates)

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kormoc:

hrm

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** kormoc shrugs **

[03:53:24]

iamlindoro:

But they're used in Terra as well, so I say :P

[03:53:25]

kormoc:

He can bring it up if it's that big of a deal

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kormoc:

I'll take the heat :)

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iamlindoro:

Hehe

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SHADOW_V2:

was there a comcast push to open up alot of channels over firewire?

[03:53:44]

iamlindoro:

Well that would be mighty neighborly

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2, nothing publicized

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kormoc:

just let me know when you have something packed up, and from that point on, I'd ask if you'd just toss me patch files for changes, if that works for you?

[03:54:26]

iamlindoro:

Sure, that works

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SHADOW_V2:

i havnt encountered a channel yet that is encrypted

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kormoc:

snaz

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sphery:

and maybe when 0.22/mythui is done someone will finally do that Visor remake that world+dog have been screaming for

[03:54:36]

iamlindoro:

I have a feeling I'm getting pretty close to releasing it

[03:54:49]

kormoc:

I really need a mythbox

[03:54:52]

iamlindoro:

I'd like to see the MythGame UI port go in

[03:54:59]

iamlindoro:

and then maybe two more screens which I may hit tonight

[03:55:15]

iamlindoro:

and it should be good enough to release and I can do the rest of the ports as they go

[03:56:00]

iamlindoro:

Guess this means I'd have to GPL it instead of CC it :)

[03:56:20]

iamlindoro:

or, well, I guess the non core themes have classically been different licenses

[03:56:25]

iamlindoro:

Justins have been CC, I think

[03:56:41]

iamlindoro:

And Metallurgy is CC

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kormoc:

if Justin's is CC and in the non-core dir, you're fine

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Not that I'm opposed to GPLing it, but if I did, I'd want to be asked to make it a core theme

[03:58:15]

iamlindoro:

Haven't quite figured out how to tackle the Program Guide yet, either

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darkdrgn2k:

ok how can i test to see if my HDMI audio out is wokring?

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sphery:

play something, listen?

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: ok how do i play it i guess is what im trying to figur eout LOL

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sphery:

that's a much more involved answer :) (And depends a /lot/ on your ALSA config--which is an even more involved subject that only 3 ALSA devs may actually understand)

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darkdrgn2k:

sphery: *sigh* i know my dev3 is hdmi.. but i dont know how to see if it actually works

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SHADOW_V2:

only enough i have found about 3 channels that used to be available over firewire that are now encrypted

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iamlindoro:

Hahahaha, I love it when you do some random thing in a theme and it look awesome and you had no intention of it looking in any way like that

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SHADOW_V2:

i as well love it when that happens

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new2linx:

i had set the root password for phpmyadmin and then mythweb stopped working? I thought I could fix it by uninstalling mysql but that didn't work. Now I am getting this stupid error when running mythtv-setup: Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.0.3' (111)

[04:33:27]

new2linx:

i have set the root password for mysql to the same password that mythconverg database uses. what am i doing wrong?

[04:35:08]

sphery:

myth should not be using the root mysql account

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sphery:

so the root password shouldn't affect myth

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sphery:

but Myth's DB username/password are specified in ~/.mythtv/config.xml and/or mysql.txt files (where mysql.txt could be scattered around in several places on the filesystem)

[04:36:42]

sphery:

and make sure you can use the mysql command-line client to log in with the username/password you chose: mysql -u<username> -p mythconverg

[04:36:53]

sphery:

where mythconverg is the DB name and you specify the password when prompted

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new2linx:

sphery, i though I could but instead I get ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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new2linx:

all i know is that I can log into phpmyadmin using root and the password which I have noted from the mysql.txt files

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new2linx:

i can't get mythtv-setup to work??? please please help me.

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sphery:

new2linx: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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SHADOW_V2:

accord to the dta comcast channel you have to call a number to activate the "new channels"

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new2linx:

sphery, running mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql doesn't do anything?

[04:53:04]

sphery:

new2linx: below that in Modifying access to the MySQL database for multiple systems

[04:53:10]

new2linx:

sphery, if I try to run mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql, and enter the password I get nothing also.

[04:53:20]

new2linx:

sphery, i'

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sphery:

even if you have only one system, you need similar, just use localhost instead of "%"

[04:54:17]

sphery:

or: GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";

[04:54:36]

sphery:

(substitute whatever password (quoted) in place of "mythtv")

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new2linx:

sphery, i've done all that. here's a pic from phpmyadmin. http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3905/screenshot1unx.png

[04:57:07]

new2linx:

sphery, maybe phpmyadmin isnt showing correct privileges. how do I show all privileges from within mysql since I know I can get into it from the terminal

[04:57:12]

SHADOW_V2:

dang nabbit encrypted channels :( everything should be clearqam!!!

[04:57:25]

sphery:

since you have 192.168.0.3 and .6 and even celeron and core2duo in there, they'll take precedence

[04:58:14]

sphery:

you need to (as mysql root): DELETE from mysql.user WHERE user = 'mythtv' and host != 'localhost';

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new2linx:

sphery, oh really. I thought I needed to make sure that all my ip's from both machines as well as their hostnames should have access to mythconverg?

[04:58:27]

sphery:

then: FLUSH PRIVILEGES;

[04:58:38]

sphery:

if so, you need to change it from USAGE to ALL

[04:58:54]

sphery:

just start with the DELETE and then add others properly (with the GRANT ALL)

[04:59:04]

sphery:

make sure you FLUSH PRIVILEGES; too

[05:02:17]

SHADOW_V2:

sphery, do you use mythrename

[05:02:26]

new2linx:

SHADOW_V2, i do.

[05:02:33]

sphery:

SHADOW_V2: mythrename.pl --link, only

[05:02:58]

sphery:

but, yeah, I use it (5 times actually, to give 5 differently sorted views of my recordings--try that without --link :)

[05:03:04]

new2linx:

sphery, when my system works. I use the ink also

[05:03:18]

new2linx:

sphery, still no go! http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5880/screenshot2n.png

[05:03:28]

sphery:

cron job running at 2,32 minutes

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sphery:

new2linx: and you remembered to flush :)

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, yeah i know i am trying to see if i could get it to link into another directory so it would be /videos/show_name/Season /show_name S01E02

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: yep

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new2linx:

sphery, i used phpmyadmin to change from usage to all on all the users. where is the flush command in phpmyadmin?

[05:04:14]

SHADOW_V2:

thats the naming convention i like and helps keeps things neat for my eyes

[05:04:51]

sphery:

SHADOW_V2: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythlink.sh

[05:05:04]

sphery:

it uses subdir for title sort

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sphery:

and, IIDSSM, is a pretty nice way of creating a script that does all your desired links for you

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new2linx:

sphery, also. mythweb doesn't work after I changed the root password for phpmyadmin? http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8752/screenshot3r.png

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SHADOW_V2:

IIDSSM?

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sphery:

If I Do Say So Myself

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SHADOW_V2:

ah ok sorry i am not up on the lingo

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new2linx:

sphery, here's what I see when I run mythtv-setup. http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4544/screenshot4duh.png

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kormoc:

new2linx, come on dude, he's already given you the answer....

[05:09:42]

new2linx:

kormoc, i agree. this is a fluck problem? nothing is working.

[05:10:02]

new2linx:

kormoc, i have tried everything.

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sphery:

new2linx: select a language, then answer the questions about DB hostname, username, password

[05:10:49]

kormoc:

fluck?

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sphery:

I think something broke/deleted your config.xml/mysql.txt

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, so i can just run this and it will automatically link to the provided directory with not problems ? because it is going to take me afew times of runnning it to get the directory naming the way i want it

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new2linx:

kormoc, it was really weird. I started over after the mess I had the other night when I was here. I started with ubuntu hardy heron and then installed mythtv without mythbuntu. everything was working and then I realized that phpmyadmin root account could be accessed without a password so I set one up. then mythweb stopped working.

[05:11:28]

sphery:

SHADOW_V2: link to the provided directory?

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SHADOW_V2:

# The path in which the views ("pretty" links) will be created

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SHADOW_V2:

VIEWS_PATH=/srv/storage/mythtv/views

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new2linx:

sphery, if you look in the background at the black screen, it says it can't connect to database so it does me no good setting all that stuff.

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: set VIEWS_PATH to the top dir, then in your format, specify the subdirs to create on the fly using formatting

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new2linx:

sphery, all the config.xml files as well as all the mysql.txt files match!! I triple checked them all.

[05:13:01]

kormoc:

new2linx, other then the *next* screens is asking you for the correct db settings to use to store the settings from the next screens, and creating the config file that tells myth where the database is, but if you don't want to try it, why ask for help?

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new2linx:

kormoc, i have tried it. it just keeps repeating because it states that it can't connect to database if you read the back box. it just keep going over and over again and can't connect. I have tried more than 20 times.

[05:14:06]

SHADOW_V2:

also new2linx if you just use a myth distro all of this is done for you

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sphery:

so, on mine, I get /srv/storage/mythtv/views/title/The_Simpsons/<episodes by subtitle> , etc. which is <VIEWS_PATH>/<DIRECTORIES[i]>/<FORMATS[i]>

[05:14:16]

** iamlindoro grumbles about the program guide **

[05:14:27]

iamlindoro:

(and its impossible-to-themeyness)

[05:14:37]

sphery:

listings?

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new2linx:

SHADOW_V2, tried that also. mythbuntu didn't set up properly either. ask kormic I was here the other night.

[05:14:57]

sphery:

new2linx: gotta get it so you can do a mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg successfully first

[05:15:01]

sphery:

then all will work

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SHADOW_V2:

uh new2linx the only way mythbuntu doesnt setup properly is if you do the alternate install otherwise it works right

[05:15:26]

SHADOW_V2:

and so do the other distros thats what they are meant to do

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iamlindoro:

sphery, yes

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sphery:

hmmm... got ideas on how to make it themeable?

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new2linx:

sphery, i get ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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SHADOW_V2:

flying listings from all angles

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new2linx:

sphery, i've done all the commands on that page you linked me to I swear. I did them repeatedly.

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sphery:

new2linx: best I can give you, then, is http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/privilege-system.html , http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/accoun . . . ent-sql.html , http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/grant.html

[05:16:53]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I think gbee has some changes in mind, the the primary thing would be not to have the whole program unit be hardcoded to a given color

[05:17:03]

iamlindoro:

sphery, and instead have a statetype so you could use an icone, or nothing at all

[05:17:05]

iamlindoro:

er icon

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new2linx:

sphery, i did mysql -u root -p. i am now in the database.

[05:18:06]

sphery:

new2linx: and, especially, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/common-errors.html

[05:18:32]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/epg-live.png

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iamlindoro:

I'll probably go with something like that for now

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sphery:

iamlindoro: nice

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iamlindoro:

thx

[05:19:30]

sphery:

and gbee's ideas sound good, too

[05:20:02]

iamlindoro:

Even with just that one change I could do a lot more with it

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sphery:

new2linx: and http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/access-denied.html

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, sorry i am having trouble understanding this so for VIEWS_PATH=/srv/storage/mythtv/views then where does <DIRECTORIES[i]> go

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new2linx:

sphery, after I do, grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; I get Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)

[05:22:17]

new2linx:

sphery, so it's like it's not doing anything?

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: VIEWS_PATH is where you want all your directories containing links. Then DIRECTORIES is an array of directory names into which links are made for the respective FORMATS specified in the FORMATS array . My recommendation is to change VIEWS_PATH to /home/<username>/test_link_dir then mkdir ~/test_link_dir then run it to see what happens.

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SHADOW_V2:

iamlindoro, are there really that many ways to theme listings?

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sphery:

then, you can clear it with just an: rm -r ~/test_link_dir

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sphery:

new2linx: GRANTs always result in 0 rows affected

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SHADOW_V2:

ah ok thanks sphery sorry for having trouble kick starting my brain

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: no problem

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new2linx:

sphery, i guess I'll give it another go and do a fresh install. i tried to uninstall mysql and reinstall it but the root password is still set??? what file is keeping the root password for mysql set?

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new2linx:

sphery, oh. ok/

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: I complicated matters by throwing my script in the mix :)

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sphery:

new2linx: uninstall mysql does not delete the database data

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sphery:

new2linx: i.e. /srv/mysql (or, likely, /var/lib/mysql on a distro that's not yet up with the FHS)

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SHADOW_V2:

new2linx, i would suggest doing a gui install of a mythtv distro

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SHADOW_V2:

and not touching anything

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SHADOW_V2:

:)

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sphery:

and the database data contains all the permissions/security

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sphery:

new2linx: and I would second SHADOW_V2's recommendation... Start over with a mythbuntu install

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SHADOW_V2:

yup a mythbuntu gui install no alternate install for you mister

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sphery:

back up your mythconverg database first if necessary http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore (you can use root password)

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new2linx:

sphery, well thanks for trying. I hate to have to do a 3rd install!!

[05:28:14]

sphery:

you know what they say about the third time?

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sphery:

charming, isn't it?

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new2linx:

sphery, i just can't believe how hard mysql is to learn!

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new2linx:

sphery, and that phpmyadmin can't help me get mythtv user to access mythconverg

[05:28:48]

sphery:

yeah, it's a bear

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sphery:

I hope (very much) that part of Myth setup will be over before long

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sphery:

embedded MySQL ftw!

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** sphery is actually considering writing mythdataserver to make the automatic DB maintenance patch easier to write **

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kormoc:

You know, apartment hunting is so depressing when I look at what I can get back home for the same price, http://lancaster.craigslist.org/apa/1223949980.html

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sphery:

home = Seattle?

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kormoc:

I grew up in PA, I live in Seattle now

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kormoc:

I was looking at a 600 sqft apartment for $1500 earlier today, but then I could get that for $1300 back home :P

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

I was going to say, if Seattle is cheap in comparison, you must be going to a very expensive place :)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

something like that out here is multi-million easily, it's silly

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sphery:

yeah, that seems a pretty good deal

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sphery:

around about what my PITI is for my 4br house (but mine's a single story)

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sphery:

think I'm about 200 less, though

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iamlindoro:

Did I miss the strippers?

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, i get mythlink.sh: 30: Syntax error: "(" unexpected

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kormoc:

Sadly not, and clever is next on the pole...

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** kormoc laughs **

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SHADOW_V2:

:)

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: bash --version

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new2linx:

sphery, GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it was the my.cnf file and making sure mysql didn't bind to 127.0.0.1.

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iamlindoro:

back, had to wash my mind's eye out with soap

[05:36:09]

new2linx:

YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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new2linx:

MYTHWEB WORKS AGAIN AND I AM SOOOOOOO HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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SHADOW_V2:

3.2.39

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iamlindoro:

my ears hurt

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SHADOW_V2:

i told you not to get speak workign again

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, 3.2.39

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: did you edit the script at all?

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new2linx:

there was no way I was going to redo all that I had setup over again. we're talking about 48 hours of no sleep setting stuff up in Ubuntu.

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SHADOW_V2:

i changed the directory i will copy it over again just in case

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sphery:

if so, can I see it (pastebin)?

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sphery:

just views_path?

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SHADOW_V2:

si

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sphery:

I haven't tested it on bash 3.2, yet, but don't know of any changes to array specification in it

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SHADOW_V2:

hmm even more errors with the one i just copied over maybe it is me without me knowing it

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: and you're executing it in bash, right? not sh

[05:39:47]

sphery:

not dash

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iamlindoro:

you fail at shell

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sphery:

i.e. chmod 755 mythlink.sh

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SHADOW_V2:

aww whoopsie

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SHADOW_V2:

i do fail

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SHADOW_V2:

i was doing sh

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sphery:

ah... it won't work... many bashisms

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SHADOW_V2:

good call

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jblack:

Oh man, I found my lirc problem. This is _freaky_

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sphery:

I was lost, before, but now I'm a Bourne again shell user

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SHADOW_V2:

:)

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SHADOW_V2:

zsh is interesting

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sphery:

haven't tried that

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SHADOW_V2:

i only fiddled with it

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SHADOW_V2:

but had some interesting features

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iamlindoro:

I use the Bourne Identity Shell

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iamlindoro:

BISH

[05:41:53]

iamlindoro:

It only has one command, KILL

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sphery:

I just have bash (and its sh-emulation, which often actually allows bashisms, making portability hard to test) and tcsh

[05:42:03]

SHADOW_V2:

and how many special points do you get with that

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iamlindoro:

7

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SHADOW_V2:

very nice number

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iamlindoro:

#!/bin/stab

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sphery:

I think half of my Google searches are a result of trying to figure out iamlindoro's references

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jblack:

Apparently, my TV backlight is jamming lirc. If I set the backlight too low, the TV emits so much IR that it jams IR remotes

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SHADOW_V2:

i wonder how man stab would look

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SHADOW_V2:

:)

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iamlindoro:

well played

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** SHADOW_V2 dreams of ascii art **

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new2linx:

bye guys. thanks for your patience

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sphery:

enjoy

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iamlindoro:

sphery, My references don't become googleable until I've said them

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sphery:

iamlindoro: http://www.geocities.com/usmbish/scripts.html

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SHADOW_V2:

there could be a iamlindoro references wiki

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, -bash: ./mythlink.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory

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iamlindoro:

There is, they call it bash.org

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: which bash

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SHADOW_V2:

3.2.23

[05:45:33]

sphery:

and is bash in /etc/shells?

[05:45:44]

new2linx:

oh wait. one more thing. i am trying to set a registry DWORD and I am not sure what to enter. can anyone help me please?

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sphery:

no, I meant where is bash (using the which command :)

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SHADOW_V2:

/bin/bash

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iamlindoro:

What, whaaa?

[05:46:04]

** sphery doesn't remember any registry in Myth **

[05:46:56]

** kormoc doesn't believe there is any registry in linux or osx or bsd or.... **

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: is the script in DOS format? (if you open in vim, it should say [dos] at the bottom if it is) If not, I'd guess that bash isn't an allowed shell on your system (needs to be in /etc/shells)?

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sphery:

kormoc: what about Solaris? Did they leave it in there or take it out?

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** iamlindoro installs some new directshow filters into his myth install **

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kormoc:

I think after a long battle it's finally gone, but a lot of people keep installing it back, claiming it's the future!

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

And then I'll erm... start some services... and uh... put a shortcut in my startup folder

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new2linx:

ok. so i am guess that since it's not mythtv or linux no one will help. i understand it's just that I figured I'd ask since I am here and you seem the be smart computer people

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, it says mythlink.sh [dos] 75L, 2305C

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new2linx:

it's related to samba file browsing shares with gnome and nautilus. see here: http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5200/screenshotiyv.png

[05:49:46]

iamlindoro:

new2linx, It's notjust that it's off topic, though it helps, but many of use don't go near windows

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SHADOW_V2:

i downloaded it and edited it on a windows boxen gues my fault ill wget it

[05:50:01]

iamlindoro:

but mostly the fact that it has nothing to do with myth, yes

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iamlindoro:

s/use/us/

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new2linx:

i dont' know how to enter (REG_DWORD) = 0x11. it only accepts numbers.

[05:50:22]

jblack:

Cmon. somebody pretend to care. I've been chasing this problem for 2 weeks!

[05:50:32]

** iamlindoro beers jblack **

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SHADOW_V2:

jblack, yay congrats

[05:50:48]

SHADOW_V2:

stop buying pos tv's

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kormoc:

I'm glad you have problems to keep you busy! Nothing sucks like having enough time to relax!

[05:51:07]

iamlindoro:

though in truth, had you asked the magic question of "what can interfere with an IR receiver", my first answer would have been, "an LCD TV"

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iamlindoro:

which are notorious for blasting out random IR

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SHADOW_V2:

same thing with lcd monitors?

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sphery:

yeah, here's my view of the registry... A long time ago in an OS far away, there was win.ini, and MS put all sorts of config info in there /and/ included a nice API to allow app developers to do the same. Before long, win.ini grew so large and unmaintainable that MS decided they needed to do things differently. So, they extended the api to allow app-specific .ini files. Soon, the .ini's began propogating throughout the ...

[05:51:45]

sphery:

... filesystem and became hard to manage. So, MS said, "We need one centralized location for all this config information," so they created a registry and an API to allow developers to use it. Before long, it grew so large and unmaintainable that, er, well people just live with it, now.

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SHADOW_V2:

that could explain why my ir receiver would always go nuts

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** iamlindoro wonders if sphery wrote that in another window first **

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2, LCD displays period, yes

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: in vim do (including colon) :set ff=unix

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new2linx:

sphery, that's good. funny.

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jblack:

Heh. I know that now, but I didn't even begin to consider that a TV could jam a TV remote.

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: then :wq

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jblack:

all my other traditional remotes work fine. Just the streamzap and mce remote fail.

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SHADOW_V2:

thanks

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: or if you have dos2unix...

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** sphery wonders how the file got dos-converted... **

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new2linx:

so none of you guys have a windows box around?

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iamlindoro:

it's like herpes

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iamlindoro:

someone gave it to that file, and then passed it around

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, i edited it on this windows laptop using wordpad

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new2linx:

i have been thinking about converting it to ubuntu and using virtualbox for XP.

[05:54:26]

iamlindoro:

new2linx, Seriously, it's off topic, trying to say it nicely

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: ahhh... thought my web server was misconfigured

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SHADOW_V2:

no its my fault :(

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SHADOW_V2:

this is my last windows box

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2 gave your script the herp

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SHADOW_V2:

tried to replace it with a shinny mbp 15 but cant afford it

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, ok. do you know of any irc servers, channels that help with xp?

[05:55:19]

SHADOW_V2:

when i get a job most likely the first thing ill do is get a mb

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kormoc:

new2linx, I certainly don't

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iamlindoro:

Not aware of any, though the primary open source IRC server isn't where I'd start :)

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SHADOW_V2:

:)

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iamlindoro:

It could be much worse, you could ask that question in ##linux

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SHADOW_V2:

new2linx, do /list and i am sure you will find one

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iamlindoro:

they're WAY smarter than us

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iamlindoro:

ooh, or #bash

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SHADOW_V2:

that will def end well

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iamlindoro:

yes, those would both be great places to learn what other people think is wrong with you

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, is it normal for it to require elevated permissions

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SHADOW_V2:

lol

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SHADOW_V2:

-bash: ./mythlink.sh: Permission denied

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: no... just needs write and execute access to the VIEWS_PATH and read and execute to the myth storage groups dirs

[05:58:18]

SHADOW_V2:

what am i doing wrong now

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: chmod 755 mythlink.sh

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SHADOW_V2:

apparently i am not thinking

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SHADOW_V2:

now i have to find mythrename.pl

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, now it cannot connect to database

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: that's mythrename.pl connecting to DB... it uses ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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sphery:

you /must/ have a valid one

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SHADOW_V2:

i wasnt aware that i didnt

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sphery:

(copy it from the user that runs the frontend)

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sphery:

you're probably running the script as a different user?

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SHADOW_V2:

no

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sphery:

or your system is configured with the old mysql.txt

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SHADOW_V2:

hmm yeah i think so how can i check

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SHADOW_V2:

the frontend is being run as my user according to ps aux

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sphery:

well, if the user running mythfrontend doesn't have a ~/.mythtv/config.xml , it must be using mysql.txt

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sphery:

just find/locate a config.xml on the system

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SHADOW_V2:

config.xml under my user account is empty

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SHADOW_V2:

so find / -name config.xml

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sphery:

if there is none, you'll have to make it (there's an example in the source distribution that I'm guessing a distro would put somewhere in /usr/share/doc/mythtv*/

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SHADOW_V2:

or should i look under var/www

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sphery:

probably will have to make one if your user runs the frontend

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sphery:

but worth checking ~root/.mythtv/config.xml just in case

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SHADOW_V2:

good call

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SHADOW_V2:

thanks sphery it worked now i am going to edit it to how i want it

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sphery:

enjoy

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sphery:

sorry it took so long :)

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SHADOW_V2:

atleast i was learning

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sphery:

learning is always good

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SHADOW_V2:

knowing is half the battle

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sphery:

When does that come out?

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SHADOW_V2:

have no idea

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sphery:

looks like Aug 7

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SHADOW_V2:

so i only left tittle in the DIRECTORIES array but how do i get another directory made under the show name with season information then to name the shows differentl

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SHADOW_V2:

y

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sphery:

that all goes in the FORMATS array

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sphery:

look at the titles one

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SHADOW_V2:

is that the one for the titles one currently

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SHADOW_V2:

'%T/%Y%m%d-%H%i-%eH%ei-%S'

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sphery:

it's actually: ${VIEWS_PATH}/title/The_Simpsons/Trilogy_of_Errors-...

[06:37:50]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

so just put / between the elements you want to use for dirs

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SHADOW_V2:

ohhh ok i think i get it now

[06:38:04]

SHADOW_V2:

yeah

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SHADOW_V2:

how would i get season information

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sphery:

that's not in the DB

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sphery:

:(

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SHADOW_V2:

oh

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SHADOW_V2:

episode number?

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sphery:

use mythrename.pl --help to see the format specifiers

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SHADOW_V2:

ok thanks

[06:39:30]

SHADOW_V2:

wouldnt schedules direct proivde season information

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sphery:

no, they don't

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SHADOW_V2:

hmm i guess i could dileniate by year

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sphery:

but I think TMS is trying to convince SD to buy/start providing some new service that would probably contain that info

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SHADOW_V2:

that would be great

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sphery:

SD /does/ provide good originalairdate

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SHADOW_V2:

i mean i know i am nip picking

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sphery:

and I think xr is wants to do it

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sphery:

(the new service)

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SHADOW_V2:

hmm

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: see the Original Airdate ones

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SHADOW_V2:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

./ttvdb.py -N 78901 "Monster Movie"

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iamlindoro:

S04E05

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SHADOW_V2:

?

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** iamlindoro polishes his fingernails **

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SHADOW_V2:

wait how does that work

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iamlindoro:

./ttvdb.py -M Lost

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iamlindoro:

73739:Lost

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iamlindoro:

./ttvdb.py -N 73739 "And Found"

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sphery:

what happens for 2-parters?

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iamlindoro:

S02E05

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sphery:

2-parters with the same subtitle, that is

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iamlindoro:

./ttvdb.py -N 73739 "Pilot (1)"

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iamlindoro:

S01E01

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sphery:

and I'd guess "Pilot (2)" would be S01E02

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iamlindoro:

./ttvdb.py -N 73739 "Pilot (2)"

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iamlindoro:

S01E02

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sphery:

so you'd have to add (#) to the subtitle used by Myth

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sphery:

and if you do "Pilot" ?

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sphery:

(I haven't installed ttvdb.py, yet :)

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iamlindoro:

./ttvdb.py -N 73739 "Pilot"

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iamlindoro:

S01E01

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iamlindoro:

S01E02

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sphery:

ahh

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SHADOW_V2:

hey i cant even use it

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SHADOW_V2:

i am not running trunk

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SHADOW_V2:

:(

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iamlindoro:

You need trunk to run a python script?

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sphery:

strange pause frame... was a scene transition with a "morph" and there's a truck running over a guy's head

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SHADOW_V2:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ttvdb.py

[06:48:02]

dustybin:

can a macbook pro 1,3 be upgraded with 4GB of ram?

[06:48:06]

iamlindoro:

You need trunk and a handful of my patches to use it *with mythvideo*

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dustybin:

whoops wrong chan

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SHADOW_V2:

dustybin, which gen

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dustybin:

erm. im not sure, it says 1.3

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dustybin:

1,3

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sphery:

heh, the specified required rev (and the previous changeset) has nothing in it that would affect ttvdb.py

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iamlindoro:

Fairly certain that's just the revision that he last verified it against

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iamlindoro:

but FWIW it work's with tonight's trunk

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iamlindoro:

as do my patches, though they're now old enough to drink

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SHADOW_V2:

so then how would i get to work with rename

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iamlindoro:

s/work's/works/

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sphery:

mmm... aged like fine wine.

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2, seriously???

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iamlindoro:

I just spent five minutes demonstrating its usage, and you ask HOW?

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SHADOW_V2:

yeah sorry about that

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sphery:

short answer: it would require writing code that uses mythrename.pl (or, better, just the Myth bindings) to get a name and leave within it a format specifier that is then replaced with season/episode info

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iamlindoro:

hell, a bash script could do it, easily

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SHADOW_V2:

yeah

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sphery:

or, I suppose you could hack a system call to ttvdb.py into mythrename.pl

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iamlindoro:

pass it the title, parse the id #, pass it the ID and subtitle, and dump the output in as your season/episode identifies

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iamlindoro:

identifier

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SHADOW_V2:

sphery, thats what i was thinking or more so modifying the script you gave me to pull the information then enter it in

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sphery:

getting the name from the bindings is easy enough, though

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sphery:

don't know how good the python bindings are, yet, but might be easier to use them (since ttvdb.py is a python script)

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SHADOW_V2:

i dont know how to do that though

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sphery:

the biggest problem, though, is everytime you run mythrename.pl, it deletes/recreates /all/ links, so you'd be slamming thetvdb.com

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iamlindoro:

yes, that would be rude

[06:53:56]

iamlindoro:

that said, you wouldn't be

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sphery:

to be polite, you'd really need to dump the looked up info somewhere and reuse it

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iamlindoro:

since ttvdb.py caches lookups :)

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sphery:

ah

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iamlindoro:

but still, it's sub-optimal to do it in mythrename IMO

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sphery:

do you remember if that new service xr is mentioned from TMS that they want SD to make available had season/episode info?

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iamlindoro:

SOMEONE could always work on code to movie a file between SGs

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

and then SOMEONE could help out finishing up the export code

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iamlindoro:

It's cool, it's only been MONTHS

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sphery:

someone has been way too busy trying to avoid doing anything productive on any of his projects

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iamlindoro:

anyway, no idea if it includes that info, but an SD/TVDB partnership could easily do that

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iamlindoro:

trade hosting for augmenting the data

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sphery:

yeah, wonder what will be decided about the whole copyright/licensing issue for ttvdb stuff.

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sphery:

(i.e. whether it's too gray for SD's taste)

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iamlindoro:

they are in the midst of a rewrite with proper DMCA takedown forms, etc.

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iamlindoro:

and I am not sure, but they have also been in contact w/ an attorney

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sphery:

nice

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iamlindoro:

they are also marking all current descriptions as "tainted" and doing a rewrite of the narrative parts

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iamlindoro:

requiring that if a load/save is done, the user verifies that it is not copyrighted information personally

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sphery:

and requiring login to edit?

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iamlindoro:

yes, they always have

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sphery:

cool

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SHADOW_V2:

why would they need dmca takedown forms

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SHADOW_V2:

sorry if that sounds stupid to you

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sphery:

because too many lawyers have too much time on their hands :)

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iamlindoro:

So that they can show good faith in instances if copyrighted material is uploaded

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iamlindoro:

And so they can immediately take action on it, which should be enough to protect them

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SHADOW_V2:

where would SD have something uploaded they just provide listing information afaik

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sphery:

You know how tv.com has a single frame from the episode that they use for the episode pages? Would that be legal?

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2, we aren't talking about SD

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SHADOW_V2:

oh

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sphery:

(I'm sure CBS/tv.com has permission to do it, but since ttvdb isn't so, er, powerful...)

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iamlindoro:

try to keep up

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SHADOW_V2:

i am trying

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SHADOW_V2:

but i am not on the west coast

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sphery:

I switched topics from the new service to thetvdb.com

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iamlindoro:

sphery, my understanding of fair use as pertains to that stuff is that as long as it can't be used to create a "sellable" product, it's defensible as fair use

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iamlindoro:

so a low res screenshot or poster is fine

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sphery:

iamlindoro gives me all sorts of information that I can then repeat to people so that I look really smart

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sphery:

cool

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iamlindoro:

I'm only repeating wikipedias interpretation

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iamlindoro:

whether it's accurate, *shrug*

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iamlindoro:

but I imagine they have all sort of good lawyers about that kind of thing

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iamlindoro:

and I mean I'm repeating wikipedia's fair use policy, not an aticle therein

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iamlindoro:

anyway, bed time

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sphery:

guess that means it was mine 3hrs ago

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iamlindoro:

depends on wakeup time

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sphery:

yeah, not going to be the 6:00am I planned :)

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SHADOW_V2:

thanks for all the help

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sphery:

enjoy

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sphery:

now it's my bed time (and probably should be yours, too :)

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SHADOW_V2:

yeah i guess 3 am here

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AndyCap:

no, no, it's time to get up.

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carl:

Hey,

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carl:

Is anyone here? This is my first time IRCing

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rooaus:

And last I guess.

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FR^2:

hehe

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oaf:

Hi I've got issues with playback of BBC HD, using mythtv-frontend-0.21–20.fc11.x86_64 from rpmfusion. Get error messages "[h264 @ 0x363a388700]number of reference frames exceeds max (probably corrupt input), discarding one"

[09:08:45]

oaf:

Playback stops briefly every few seconds. Some recordings appear to work fine but most don't.

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ddettman:

oaf: h264 is a resource hog, do you have a fast enough system ?

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oaf:

ddettman: 3GHz C2D with 4GB

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FR^2:

oaf: faaaaar too slow! ;)

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oaf:

right... OK :-)

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oaf:

I have Nvid9400 but no VDPAU, any other ideas?

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FR^2:

oaf: I was kidding. (Just to make sure I don't get misunderstood!) – That cpu should be quite performant enough.

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oaf:

I see mythcommflag options to reindex etc

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oaf:

yeah I know :-)

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oaf:

but I dunno if that would help

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oaf:

strange thing is that it works on some recordings but not others... I recording some kids' TV thing and it was really good, tried later in the evening and it was iffy

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FR^2:

cable tv?

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oaf:

FR^2: was that to me?

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oaf:

if so, no, it's via DVB-S

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oaf:

I'm trying to get BBC HD in the UK

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oaf:

The sat signal works nicely into the onboard DVB-S(2) tuner in my TV so I think signal is fine (I know it is)

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FR^2:

Okay.

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FR^2:

Then I'm out, can't help you – I'm not that experienced yet

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oaf:

FR^2: OK well thanks anyway.

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ddettman:

me too (not experienced enough yet). but we have gotten some of the basics out of the way :)

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oaf:

I was looking at some oldish posting on the lists re the "number of reference frames exceeds max" with h264 but I would have thought/hoped issues would have been resolved in -fixes rpm

[10:40:30]

oaf:

well maybe someone will chime in later :-) It's frustrating as when it works it looks really nice. The other (minor) thing is that timestretch doesn't work in HD either (audio goes nasty)

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oaf:

Don't know if that's a timebase thing?

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FR^2:

oaf: Wich version of the h264 codec do you have installed?

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oaf:

hmm there's a question?

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oaf:

fr^2: do you mean ffmpeg version?

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FR^2:

Hmm.

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FR^2:

Okay, another thing that I have to read up first – mythtv has no direct dependency on x264

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FR^2:

oaf: Forget my question.

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oaf:

fr^2: no worries :-)

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doc___:

hi there

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oaf:

stuarta: did you say yesterday that you have a DVB-S card and you're using it in the UK?

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new2linx:

trying to setup sbe. i am finding conflicting tutorials for which folders to share from the mbe and what they should be named on the sbe? can someone help pelase?

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stuarta:

oaf: yes

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oaf:

stuarta: OK, thanks... I've got BBC HD recording nicely now (along with 1500+ channels scanned!) but it doesn't always playback well. This is on 3GHz C2D.

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stuarta:

yeah, the ffmpeg behind 0.21 only decodes h264 using a single thread

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oaf:

stuarta: Oh, OK... any suggestions then? U/g to 0.22? Can I bump up ffmpeg or is it code within Myth?

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stuarta:

there have been perf improvments in head, and AFAICR it now does multithreaded decode as well

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stuarta:

it's integrated into myth

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oaf:

thought so

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oaf:

hmmm so 3GHz single thread too much for HD?

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oaf:

(or rather not enough)

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new2linx:

do I just export all the directories under mythtv? music, recordings, mytharchive, mythdvd, posters?

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stuarta:

new2linx: yes that's the best plan

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stuarta:

and mount it in the same location on the slave

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stuarta:

simpler that way

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stuarta:

oaf: honestly i've not paid much attention to that since my cpu isn't good enough for HD

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stuarta:

but in theory that should be able to do the job

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new2linx:

stuarta, an I should make the same directory names on the sbe with the same permissions on the folders?

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stuarta:

i think you are missing the point of nfs

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oaf:

stuarta: Hmmm, it's a bit frustrating :-) Strangely the BE will transcode to mythweb smoothly (and it's a lower spec than the frontend)!

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oaf:

I wonder if the atrpms mythtv packages are more capable than rpmfusion?(?)

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new2linx:

stuarta, i probably am. that's why I am asking. I have read on multiple threads that it's always smart to make the directories the same however not neccesary

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stuarta:

shouldn't be any difference

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stuarta:

new2linx: that's correct

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oaf:

stuarta: no, I wouldn't have thought so either...

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** stuarta thinks it might be time for an example **

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new2linx:

stuarta, i have multiple storage directories defined. so I would export that as well correct?

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stuarta:

say on your MBE you have /myth/a /myth/b /myth/c

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new2linx:

stuarta, using mythtv .21 storage groups.

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new2linx:

stuarta, yes

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stuarta:

you could export all separately and mount separately on the SBE

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stuarta:

or you could just export /myth and import that onto slave backend and it will automatically see a b & c

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stuarta:

(under /myth)

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new2linx:

stuarta, could I just export the higher level folder, /var/lib/mythtv/ only?

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stuarta:

yes, that's what i just said

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new2linx:

stuarta, ok. sorry I missed understood.

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new2linx:

stuarta, thank you. do you know of any settings for the sbe fstab entry that makes nfs better or worse besides what I have found here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.10

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stuarta:

use what is in the docs. it's there for a reason

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new2linx:

stuarta, for the mbe though, that guide is missing something that I found elsewhere. if I used this in my exports file is it ok for the mbe? /var/lib/mythtv 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)

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stuarta:

yes, that is fine as long as you are happy with root on the SBE being able to access files on the MBE as root rather than nobody

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new2linx:

stuarta, are there potential downfalls to what I am doing?

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stuarta:

not on a private network

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new2linx:

stuarta, i am sorry if I seem dumb. this is the first time I am setting this up and there are so many guides that contradict each other. Private network. got it. thanks

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new2linx:

stuarta, previously I had my sbe keeping it's recordings on it's local drive and then mythweb would work because it couldn't find the files.

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new2linx:

stuarta, when I tried to stream them.

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stuarta:

to be expected

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new2linx:

i get this message after I ran: sudo exportfs -a. exportfs: /etc/exports [1]: Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "192.168.0.0/24:/var/lib/mythtv". Assuming default behaviour 'no_subtree_check').

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new2linx:

stuarta, is that ok?

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stuarta:

the newer nfsd barf that error out

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new2linx:

stuarta, and it's ok?

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stuarta:

if you want it to be quiet add "no_subtree_check" to the export options

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new2linx:

stuarta, i don't really care if it's only a message and not going to affect anything.

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stuarta:

yes it's fine, some future release of nfsd will not assume anything and just barf

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new2linx:

stuarta, ok. thanks

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new2linx:

stuarta, when I do a ls -la on the sbe of /var/lib/mythtv/ some of the folders are owned by statd and some stayed the same. is that ok?

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new2linx:

stuarta, the mbe is sharing a direct link to recordings. 1 storage directories defined. /media/500gb/recordings/. and I am also sharing the highest level mythtv folder. /var/lib/mythtv/.

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stuarta:

you've a mismatch between the uid's on the MBE & SBE

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new2linx:

stuarta, this will cause a problem then or not?

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stuarta:

the wrong use will own the files

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stuarta:

which ends up causing permissions problems

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new2linx:

stuarta, actually I just checked with "id" and according to the output, they are all the same. uid=1000(daniel) gid=1000(daniel) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(pl ugdev),107(fuse),109(lpadmin),115(admin),124 sambashare),125(mythtv),1000(daniel)

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new2linx:

stuarta, will that create a problem if they are owned by a different user or will mythtv, mythweb (really all the plugins) still be able to access them

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new2linx:

stuarta, i ran id on both machines and the id's are exactly the same on both machines.

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new2linx:

stuarta, they both have a fresh install of Ubuntu Hardy Heron on them.

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new2linx:

stuarta, my sbe fstab entries look like this: 192.168.0.3:/media/500gb/recordings /media/500gb/recordings nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr

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new2linx:

stuarta, one place says to use no_root_squash and the other says insecure,all_squash,. again, does it matter?

[12:22:31]

stuarta:

if it's the same os it should be an issue as they normally setup the uid's the same

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new2linx:

stuarta, weird, when I tried (rw,async,insecure,all_squash,anonuid =1000,anongid=1000). NFS spit back exportfs: /etc/exports:1: syntax error: bad option list

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new2linx:

. so I guess that doesn't work

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stuarta:

well that will map everyone to uid=1000 if i'm reading that right

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new2linx:

stuarta, i'll back to just doing (rw,no_root_squash,async)

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new2linx:

stuarta, that doesn't work though is what I am saying. I tried it because you said there was a id mismatch.

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stuarta:

lets take a step back for a sec

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stuarta:

use the options (rw,no_root_squash,async)

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stuarta:

that you started with

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stuarta:

and find out which user owns the files from the MBE and the SBE

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stuarta:

they should be the same

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stuarta:

if not we dig some more

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new2linx:

stuarta, i am. it does work. I think anyway? is there a way to check to make sure the directory is writable by mythtv? something like touch -u mythtv /media/500gb/recordings/test.txt?

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stuarta:

if you are the user mythtv that check is valid

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new2linx:

stuarta, they aren't. here's a picture from the slave be. http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2087/screenshot1k.png

[12:28:23]

FR^2:

oaf: build mythtv from source ;)

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stuarta:

i can't see that from here. just tell me the owner from an ls -l

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new2linx:

stuarta, i am not that user. I am user daniel. i never know how to switch to user mythtv because I don't know his password. when I do su mythtv, it asks for a password.

[12:29:19]

stuarta:

so su -, the su mythtv

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stuarta:

then

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new2linx:

stuarta, when I su mythtv from the root account, all I get is a dollar sign. is that then using the mythtv account?

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stuarta:

id

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new2linx:

stuarta, here's the picture of the directories from the mbe. http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3628/screenshot2arq.png

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stuarta:

i can't see pictures from here

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stuarta:

cut n paste into a pastebin please

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Sigi:

hi, is it possible that when i run mythtv-filldatabase, that it doenst halt on my tv grabber ?

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Sigi:

because every time im changing settings i need to wait a few ourhs at least :(

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new2linx:

stuarta, ok. but back to making sure the directories are writable by mythtv user. when I try touch /media/500gb/recordings/test.txt is says: touch: cannot touch `/media/500ggb/recordings/test.txt': No such file or directory

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** stuarta spots an extra g **

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new2linx:

stuarta, ok. it is writable by mythtv user.

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new2linx:

stuarta, ok. after I mount the nfs shares to the sbe. i run ls -la /media/500gb/recordings/, here is what it returns. http://pastebin.com/m6b06d3b

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new2linx:

stuarta, but when I issue ls -la /media/500gb/recordings/ on the mbe, here's what I get: http://pastebin.com/d3b11af4d

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stuarta:

grep mythtv /etc/passwd on MBE

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new2linx:

stuarta, mythtv:x:114:125::/home/mythtv:/bin/sh

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new2linx:

stuarta, and from the SBE. mythtv:x:112:125::/home/mythtv:/bin/sh

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Sigi:

and when i add xmltvid's for the first time, is it important to excecute the tv_grab_py again?

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new2linx:

stuarta, ah ha! the uid's are different for mythtv user.

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new2linx:

stuarta, should I add statd user to the mythtv group so mythtv can write to those sbe directories?

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Sigi:

and is it posible to delete rows from my grabber.conf?? so it doesnt fetch those information?

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Sigi:

so i dont need to wait 4 hours :P

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stuarta:

new2linx: no, you really should make the mythtv user have the same uid and gid on both boxes

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new2linx:

stuarta, is that going to be hard?

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stuarta:

statd is a system user

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stuarta:

you shouldn't frig with it

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new2linx:

stuarta, ok

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stuarta:

not really

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new2linx:

stuarta, can you help me do it?

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new2linx:

stuarta, please.

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stuarta:

i'm surprised the distro doesn't use a fixed uid for the mythtv user

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nambo:

i'm loving having Digital cable finally working on this box

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nambo:

mpegs are huge tho... don't know how much i'll love that over the next few months

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nambo:

heh

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new2linx:

stuarta, yeah. I found this tutuorial. http://pastebin.com/m15242244. when I check the 2 things that they suggest to check before changing uid. the second one returns this: lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/daniel/.gvfs Output information may be incomplete.

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new2linx:

stuarta, so is ok for me to run those commands to change mythtv uid and gid on the slave backend to match the mbe?

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wagnerrp:

a tutorial in a pastebin?

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stuarta:

that skips the entire step of actually changing the uid of the user

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new2linx:

stuarta, . can you tell me how to do it then? I want to make the sbe mythtv uid 114.

[13:06:13]

stuarta:

since you slave be shows the user as statd, i'd be inclined to change the user on both boxes to a fresh uid

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new2linx:

stuarta, because the GID are already the same.

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stuarta:

first grep 114 /etc/passwd on the sbe

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** stuarta bets you'll get statd **

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new2linx:

stuarta, the slave backend is changing the UID only because I am using NFS.

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stuarta:

eh? no, you just said the uid is differnt on both boxes

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new2linx:

stuarta, yeap. statd:x:114:65534::/var/lib/nfs:/bin/false

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stuarta:

so you can't change it on the sbe to be 114

[13:08:47]

stuarta:

pick a new uid, say 12345

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new2linx:

stuarta, no. i meant to say that the folders are one thing on the MBE but once I mount them on the SBE, they change?

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stuarta:

yes

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stuarta:

on MBE, mythtv uid = 114

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new2linx:

stuarta, is that going to screw anything up with mythtv or any of it's plugin?

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stuarta:

on SBE, it sees files owned by uid 114, which it looks up and finds = statd

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new2linx:

stuarta, oh, i got ya!

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stuarta:

ah progress :)

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new2linx:

stuarta, so I can change the UID and the GID for mythtv on both machines to something else and it's not going to mess with mythtv or any of it's plugins?

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stuarta:

btw, you don't need to say my name on every sentence if we are the only 2 talking

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new2linx:

ok. sorry.

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stuarta:

you also have to change the uid in the passwd file, since the BE will pickup the uid when it starts

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new2linx:

i forgot to show you something else when I did grep 114 /etc/passwd in the SBE. gdm:x:106:114:Gnome Display Manager:/var/lib/gdm:/bin/false statd:x:114:65534::/var/lib/nfs:/bin/false

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stuarta:

your mythtv guid's are probably different too

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new2linx:

stuarta, ok. i am ready to change the UID and GID for user mythtv on the MBE and the SBE. The change the UID and teh GID in the passwd file. How do I do it.

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new2linx:

stuarta, no. they are both 125

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stuarta:

the 114 for gdm is it's gid

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stuarta:

well that's a start! \o/

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new2linx:

root@celeron:~# grep mythtv /etc/passwd

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new2linx:

mythtv:x:112:125::/home/mythtv:/bin/sh

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new2linx:

root@core2duo:/home/daniel# grep mythtv /etc/passwd

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new2linx:

mythtv:x:114:125::/home/mythtv:/bin/sh

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stuarta:

so shutdown all your backend processes

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new2linx:

so how do I change the UID for mythtv then? and tehn update the /etc/passwd file?

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stuarta:

edit the passwd file and change the 112 on celeron and 114 on c2d to something else like 12345

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new2linx:

i am a linux newbie. is there an easy way to do that? I am currently in gnome using xchat.

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new2linx:

and am ssh'd into the sbe.

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new2linx:

sbe also running gnome.

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stuarta:

normally /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

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new2linx:

oh, that's the only process that's using mythtv user?

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stuarta:

should be

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stuarta:

ps -ef | grep mythtv

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new2linx:

ok. on the SBE, that returned: root 9358 9151 0 08:16 pts/2 00:00:00 grep mythtv

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stuarta:

nada

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new2linx:

ok

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new2linx:

now what

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stuarta:

have you shutdown the MBE process as well?

[13:17:46]

new2linx:

yes

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wagnerrp:

any suggestions on a nice DNS server that DOESNT do any fancy crap?

[13:17:57]

nambo:

new2: you should consider getting a book, to learn the os

[13:18:03]

stuarta:

goodo, edit /etc passed as mentioned before

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new2linx:

stuarta, the MBE still shows 2 processes when I ran ps -ef | grep mythtv.

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nambo:

new2: linux bible is a good one

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new2linx:

should I just kill 22024 and kill 22025

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stuarta:

i've no idea what they are, up to you

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new2linx:

stuarta, weird, when I run ps -ef | grep mythtv on the slave it showed: root 9363 9151 0 08:19 pts/2 00:00:00 grep mythtv

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new2linx:

stuarta, but when I run the same command on the MBE, it returns nothing after I killed all the processes.

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new2linx:

stuarta, they were mythcommflag.

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new2linx:

stuarta, i killed them.

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** stuarta wonders why that is weird **

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new2linx:

if I killed all the processes running as mythtv user, then why does the celeron box return somthing but the core2duo doesn't?

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new2linx:

stuarta, the are both running BASH as root.

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stuarta:

that is left as an exercise for the reader as it's unix 101

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new2linx:

stuarta, i kill root 9382 9151 0 08:22 pts/2 00:00:00 grep mythtv. and then ps -ef again and it just returns a new process? Does this not matter? I am sorry I seem so ignorant. I am just learning linux.

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stuarta:

it isn't relevant to contining the work

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new2linx:

stuarta, ok. thanks and sorry for so many questions.

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new2linx:

stuarta, i am ready no.

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new2linx:

stuarta, I meant to say I am ready now.

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stuarta:

you already have your instructions above

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new2linx:

stuarta, oh. that tutorial I pasted in pastebin?

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stuarta:

that's part2

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stuarta:

<+stuarta> goodo, edit /etc passed as mentioned before

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new2linx:

stuarta, and you're saying that it doesn't matter what number I choose?

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stuarta:

so long as it's unique and in the range 2000–65535

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stuarta:

and not already used

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new2linx:

stuarta, how do I find all the UID's on the system?

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new2linx:

stuarta, i would rather be cautious than screw up my system.

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stuarta:

trust me, on a simple install just pick something with 5 digits like 12345 and you will be fine

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stuarta:

fyi, it's the 3rd field in /etc/passwd

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new2linx:

stuarta, ok. i'll try it.

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new2linx:

stuarta, since I don't need to run the GID change. I just need to run the first command right? find / -uid 112 -exec chown 12345 {} \

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christia:

does mythtv only work with Schedules Direct or does it also support XML scraper applications?

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stuarta:

new2linx: on the box where it's 112 yes

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new2linx:

stuarta, yeap. thank you.

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stuarta:

and again on the other box but using 114

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stuarta:

just make sure you get the right original number on the right box

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new2linx:

stuarta, i did it. a ">" returned?

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stuarta:

bad quoting

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christia:

does mythtv only work with Schedules Direct or does it also support XML scraper applications?

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stuarta:

christia: we heard the first time

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new2linx:

stuarta, did the command work? I did

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new2linx:

find / -uid 112 -exec chown 12345 {} \

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stuarta:

that doesn't agree with your own tutorial

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new2linx:

and it just returned a carrot, not back to the root command prompt?

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stuarta:

there's a ; missing

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new2linx:

stuarta, oh. ok

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stuarta:

christia: it works with the xmltv suite of grabbers

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christia:

so with mythtv basically I just need to automatic an xml scraper?

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stuarta:

yes, it'll work with any xmltv grabber supporting --capabilities

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new2linx:

stuarta, i got errors on the core2suo box.

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new2linx:

find: /home/daniel/.gvfs: Permission denied

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new2linx:

find: /proc/23670/task/23670/fd/4: No such file or directory

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new2linx:

find: /proc/23670/task/23670/fdinfo/4: No such file or directory

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new2linx:

find: /proc/23670/fd/4: No such file or directory

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new2linx:

find: /proc/23670/fdinfo/4: No such file or directory

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stuarta:

ignore

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new2linx:

stuarta, also on the celeron box.

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new2linx:

find / -uid 112 -exec chown 12345 {} \;

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new2linx:

find: /proc/9399/task/9399/fd/4: No such file or directory

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new2linx:

find: /proc/9399/task/9399/fdinfo/4: No such file or directory

[13:31:28]

new2linx:

find: /proc/9399/fd/4: No such file or directory

[13:31:28]

new2linx:

find: /proc/9399/fdinfo/4: No such file or directory

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new2linx:

find: /home/daniel/.gvfs: Permission denied

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stuarta:

ignore

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stuarta:

and please use pastebins in future

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new2linx:

stuarta, ok. just ignore those errors? great. I updated the /etc/passwd file so that it reads on both boxes now.

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new2linx:

mythtv:x:12345:125::/home/mythtv:/bin/sh

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stuarta:

\o/

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stuarta:

now hopefully when you look in /var/lib/mythtv they should all be owned by mythtv from both boxes

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new2linx:

stuarta, i tried to restart mythtv-status and I got this error.

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new2linx:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-status restart

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new2linx:

* Updating MythTV Status mythtv-status Sorry, failed to fetch http://localhost:6544/xml.

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stuarta:

how can you restart what isn't running?

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Sigi:

can someone help me with xmltvid grabber etc?

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new2linx:

stuarta, it was running. I had to kill it.

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Sigi:

it doesnt showup when i go to schedule

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stuarta:

you were meant to kill it before changing uid's

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new2linx:

stuarta, I did. there was no processes with mythtv when I ran ps -ef | grep mythtv

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new2linx:

stuarta, SHOOT!!!! now mythweb no longer works. please please help me fix this.

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Sigi:

i imported a sql file with all my channels :), and they work! then i searcht for the corerspodending xmlid in my conf, and also edited that

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new2linx:

stuarta, here's the error when I go to http://core2duo.getmyp.com/mythtweb/status. http://pastebin.com/d53785d02

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Sigi:

when i shutdown mythtv-setup, i do a mythfilldatabase, it takes very very long, and fetches all the data. but it isnt showed :(

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stuarta:

new2linx: is the backend running now?

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new2linx:

stuarta, yes

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Essobi:

Good morning!

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new2linx:

stuarta, i accidentally hit ctrl- on BASH while in nano and now my BASH text is barely readable also?

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stuarta:

that's a database error, not a myth error

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** stuarta suggests the view menu on the terminal **

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new2linx:

stuarta, well everything was working before! what happened. I didn't change anything else?

[13:44:57]

new2linx:

stuarta, oh sorry. I got the terminal view corrected but mythtweb still stopped working????

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new2linx:

stuarta, do you know what happened? all I did was change the UID for mythtv. it all worked before.

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new2linx:

stuarta, please?

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stuarta:

no, i've no idea

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stuarta:

try restarting mysql

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sphery:

new2link: you need to enable InnoDB engine in MySQL--not that you stuck around to find out

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sphery:

new2link: you need to enable InnoDB engine in MySQL

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new2linx:

stuarta, tried that.

[13:58:55]

new2linx:

sphery, how do I do that?

[13:59:02]

stuarta:

sphery: it was working for him a few moments ago

[13:59:05]

sphery:

oh, and that's just another thing that would have been taken care of if you used a Myth distro

[13:59:28]

sphery:

ah, if it was working a few moments ago, you need to rebuild the InnoDB data

[13:59:35]

stuarta:

eh?

[13:59:35]

sphery:

mysql docs talk about it

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new2linx:

sphery, mythweb just worked before I switched the mythtv UID.

[14:00:10]

sphery:

did you also switch the mysql UID?

[14:00:23]

stuarta:

sphery: you should have to do that

[14:00:27]

new2linx:

sphery, i changed the mythtv UID to 12345 on both machines so that my NFS share would be owned by the same user.

[14:00:29]

stuarta:

mysql runs under it's own id

[14:00:35]

new2linx:

sphery, no.

[14:00:38]

stuarta:

which you wouldn't change

[14:00:44]

stuarta:

that would be silly

[14:01:03]

stuarta:

shouldn't

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sphery:

after you switched UID's, did you recurse through the filesystems and ensure that all formerly-owned-by-mythtv files were changed to the new owner?

[14:01:40]

new2linx:

sphery, i ran find / -uid 114 -exec chown 12345 {} \; on the celeron box and find / -uid 112 -exec chown 12345 {} \; on the core2duo box.

[14:02:00]

new2linx:

sphery, no. how would I do that?

[14:02:09]

stuarta:

you just did

[14:02:12]

sphery:

yeah

[14:02:22]

stuarta:

that's what the finds are for

[14:02:36]

sphery:

sorry... I didn't read all of scrollback

[14:02:47]

** stuarta trouts sphery **

[14:02:56]

new2linx:

sphery, if I run grep mythtv \etc\passwd. the info is the same.

[14:03:12]

stuarta:

however for some reason mysql is bitching

[14:03:31]

stuarta:

sphery: see http://pastebin.com/d53785d02

[14:03:33]

sphery:

new2linx: start with running optimize_mythdb.pl and see if that fixes things

[14:03:47]

sphery:

yeah, I saw that one

[14:04:04]

sphery:

and since it was complaining about the .frm file for InnoDB tables, I thought it was InnoDB corruption.

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Dibblah:

stuarta: Isn't mythweather the only thing that uses... Umm... Thingy.

[14:04:30]

sphery:

InnoDB :), and yes

[14:04:56]

Dibblah:

Linked attributes?

[14:04:59]

stuarta:

http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?22,106192,106192

[14:05:03]

Dibblah:

Can't remember the feature.

[14:05:48]

stuarta:

foreign keys normally

[14:06:01]

sphery:

yeah, I think it's using foreign keys

[14:06:16]

sphery:

(though I haven't really looked at the MythWeather data/schema)

[14:06:22]

Dibblah:

Ah. Constraints on foreign keys.

[14:06:25]

new2linx:

so I run it as root?

[14:06:31]

new2linx:

sphery, ?

[14:06:44]

sphery:

run optimize_mythdb.pl as the user that runs mythfrontend

[14:06:57]

sphery:

or, if that doesn't work, as the user that runs mythbackend (if different)

[14:07:07]

sphery:

basically as any user with a valid ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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new2linx:

sphery, do I have to restart mysql or anything. because it still doesn't work

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sphery:

backend has to be running

[14:07:58]

sphery:

what error are you getting?

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new2linx:

sphery, i am getting the error on mythtweb. it looks like this. http://pastebin.com/d53785d02

[14:09:29]

sphery:

oh, did optimize_mythdb.pl run successfully?

[14:10:12]

new2linx:

sphery, yes. it didn't return any errors. it just said it repaired/optimized everything

[14:10:24]

sphery:

ok

[14:10:33]

sphery:

then I recommend: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/innodb . . . atadict.html

[14:11:12]

new2linx:

sphery, ah. my gosh. I just can't get ahead. all I was trying to do was make the UID's match on my slave BE and my master BE. DAMN IT!

[14:11:32]

stuarta:

which shouldn't cause this issue

[14:11:36]

sphery:

right

[14:11:39]

stuarta:

can you check for me

[14:11:49]

stuarta:

who owns the files in /var/lib/mysql

[14:11:53]

sphery:

it could be caused by a server crash, though

[14:12:09]

sphery:

or, if the find actually changed those files' ownership...

[14:12:22]

Dibblah:

Or if the log files no longer exist.

[14:12:40]

new2linx:

drwxr-xr-x 4 mysql mysql 4096 2009-06–18 09:07 mysql

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Dibblah:

The files.

[14:12:54]

Dibblah:

Please don't paste.

[14:12:55]

stuarta:

not the dir

[14:13:06]

Dibblah:

Pastebin it.

[14:13:28]

** stuarta wonders if a cuppa would help **

[14:14:13]

new2linx:

you want to know who owns mysqld file?

[14:14:22]

stuarta:

yes

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stuarta:

ls -l /var/lib/mysql/ -> pastebin

[14:14:55]

** stuarta goes to make cuppa **

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new2linx:

stuarta, http://pastebin.com/d69468e80

[14:16:31]

Dibblah:

Files in mythconverg?

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sphery:

Though I take no responsibility for the results of doing so... I /think/ you just need to shut down mysql server, then rm /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/weather*.frm then restart

[14:18:41]

sphery:

I'd back up the /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg directory somewhere, first, though (i.e. sudo cp -a /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg ~ )

[14:18:57]

sphery:

well, back it up after shutting down mysqld

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new2linx:

Dibblah, they are all owned by mysql and group mysql. i promise. just dont' want to pastebin all those files.

[14:19:13]

Dibblah:

:)

[14:20:08]

new2linx:

sphery, ok. will try. one second

[14:20:26]

sphery:

again, though, if things go wrong

[14:20:28]

new2linx:

sphery, only shutdown mysql and not mythbackend and or apache2?

[14:20:33]

** iamlindoro suggests we just drop Mythweather forever as a means of solving this problem **

[14:21:04]

sphery:

generally you should shut down anything using mysql before shutting down mysql, so at least myth programs (frontends and backends)

[14:21:15]

sphery:

if your apache uses mysql, shut it down, too

[14:21:18]

iamlindoro:

setting mythphone on fire was cathartic, let's get rid of more plugins!

[14:21:26]

iamlindoro:

MythZoneMinder and MythArchive top my list

[14:21:30]

sphery:

if not, just don't hit any mythweb pages while mysql is down

[14:21:40]

Dibblah:

Hmmm.. I can't find a command | pastebin script :(

[14:21:59]

stuarta:

iamlindoro: i use mytharchive

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sphery:

Dibblah: that would be cool! :)

[14:22:09]

stuarta:

mythphone however had to die

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iamlindoro:

stuarta, my condolences ;)

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Dibblah:

It has existed previously.

[14:22:20]

sphery:

stuarta: he just doesn't want to theme it--the lazy bum\

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iamlindoro:

That's me!

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stuarta:

!trout iamlindoro

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** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[14:22:49]

** stuarta chant bum bum bum!!! **

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stuarta:

chants

[14:23:08]

sphery:

if all our lazy bums were as productive as he is, we'd get a /lot/ more done

[14:23:28]

iamlindoro:

Many of my patches are borne out of my personal laziness

[14:24:01]

sphery:

I know how that goes... You could manually do a job in 10 minutes, but it's much easier to spend hours and hours writing code to do it automatically.

[14:24:12]

stuarta:

:)

[14:24:18]

stuarta:

i can relate to that

[14:24:28]

new2linx:

sphery, ok. i stopped mysql. backed up the /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/ directory. then deleted those weather files. now waht?

[14:24:37]

iamlindoro:

also, my addiction to pretty pictures

[14:24:39]

stuarta:

i'd be intruiged to know how the bloody hell he corrupted the mythweather innodb blobs

[14:24:50]

sphery:

restart mysql, give it a few seconds to rebuild, then start mythbackend and hit mythweb

[14:24:59]

new2linx:

sp ok

[14:25:05]

iamlindoro:

I'm interested in knowing why changing UIDs sounded like a good idea

[14:25:09]

sphery:

stuarta: yeah, should only happen if there's a crash

[14:25:26]

stuarta:

even then innodb isn't meant to get into that state

[14:25:31]

Dibblah:

iphone update came out yesterday. Busy server – Ended up scripting something to press the "try again" button. In the middle, my testing of the script stopped working and I was miffed. Until I realised it had stopped because it was getting a successful message :)

[14:25:33]

sphery:

actually, fixing a broken NFS config sounded like a good idea

[14:25:39]

new2linx:

iamlindoro, so that that the NFS shares would be owned by the same person. my sbe was showing them owned by statd user.

[14:25:40]

stuarta:

happens plenty with myisam

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Dibblah:

new2linx: Oh, wait.

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iamlindoro:

new2linx, Erm, you can just *map* those

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Dibblah:

Are you looking at the permissions on the server itsself that is running mysql?

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iamlindoro:

map_static=/path/to/file

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stuarta:

this was for the mythtv users

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Dibblah:

Or, with NFS4 mounts, it pretty much works.

[14:26:44]

new2linx:

Dibblah, already did and it worked. I can now use mythweb. but what did I do when I deleted those mythweather files? is mythweather not going to work now?

[14:26:47]

stuarta:

to be consistent across servers

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, i didn't know that.

[14:27:12]

stuarta:

new2linx: you forced mysql to rebuild them

[14:27:13]

iamlindoro:

that's why they make man pages :)

[14:27:18]

iamlindoro:

man exports

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stuarta:

meh

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new2linx:

so now mythweather will rework?

[14:27:35]

new2linx:

i mean work?

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** stuarta issues DILLIGAF **

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sphery:

new2linx: that was duplicate data that both InnoDB and MySQL keep. We deleted the MySQL version and kept the InnoDB version. The InnoDB version was used to rebuild the MySQL version. Now they're 'n sync. :) ls -l /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/weather*.frm

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iamlindoro:

YILLIGAFBOTL

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iamlindoro:

Where Y = Yes, and BOTL = Based on the logs

[14:28:07]

iamlindoro:

;)

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stuarta:

:-p

[14:28:27]

iamlindoro:

Guess it should be YILLYGAFBOTL

[14:28:37]

** stuarta re-issues DILLIGAF **

[14:28:52]

** iamlindoro beers stuarta cautiously **

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stuarta:

mmmm

[14:29:14]

stuarta:

T-3hrs till me

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stuarta:

T-3hrs till beer

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new2linx:

sphery, ok. thanks. i gotta go but I'll be back later. thank you ALL for your help

[14:29:50]

iamlindoro:

I am many hours from beer

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iamlindoro:

but half an hour from work, sigh

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stuarta:

where were you lot earlier then

[14:30:06]

sphery:

still curious how those files got corrupted based on the description of what had changed...

[14:30:19]

stuarta:

yeah, me too

[14:30:25]

Dibblah:

Meh. Cider slushy is where it's at, apparently.

[14:30:27]

stuarta:

it's pretty straightforward changing a uid

[14:30:40]

stuarta:

that's just wrong

[14:30:42]

oaf:

Hi all, can you give me some tips on improving h264 playback (DVB-S) I have a 3GHz C2Duo with myth from rpmfusion

[14:30:44]

stuarta:

cider slushy?

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Dibblah:

Cider and crushed ice.

[14:31:01]

sphery:

oaf: get a 6GHz C2D? :)

[14:31:08]

oaf:

yeah

[14:31:10]

oaf:

I did wonder!

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Dibblah:

Your taste buds don't notice the alcohol on the way down :)

[14:31:13]

stuarta:

turbo charger

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iamlindoro:

Crank up max CPUs, turn off deblocking pilter, disable deinterlacing, wait for ffmpeg-mt

[14:31:22]

oaf:

premium fuel?

[14:31:27]

iamlindoro:

s/pilter/filter/

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stuarta:

if you don't notice cider then you are drinking the crap mass manufactured stuff

[14:31:58]

sphery:

I don't even know enoubh about H.264 to know whether recommending Slim (with cheap deints) would be applicable.

[14:32:00]

stuarta:

proper cider cleans your tonsils on the way down

[14:32:12]

iamlindoro:

sphery, cheap deints are always applicable

[14:32:14]

oaf:

I had a go with all the playback profiles but it didn't seem to make much difference

[14:32:22]

sphery:

did you try Slim

[14:32:28]

oaf:

Frustration is that software playback of my blurays in mplayer works flawlessly

[14:32:36]

oaf:

yes, tried slim and all others

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sphery:

most "manly men" are too self-conscious to try it

[14:32:45]

iamlindoro:

for maxcpus==1; maxcpus++

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stuarta:

cpu++

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sphery:

but it's really the one that all men should use :)

[14:33:03]

** iamlindoro is a "slim man" **

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oaf:

yep, tried CPU++ and HiQ and normal and...

[14:33:16]

oaf:

have CPUs set to 2 already

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sphery:

likely the decoding, then

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oaf:

sphery: what do you mean?

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sphery:

what's the bitrate/resolution of the H.264?

[14:33:35]

stuarta:

bbchd

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oaf:

it's BBC HD

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iamlindoro:

$5 of "BBC-... yeah

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stuarta:

max(bitrate)

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iamlindoro:

s/of/on/

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Dibblah:

oaf: BBC HD is hard.

[14:33:58]

sphery:

oaf: meaning if you didn't see a difference, you're likely max'ed out long before the deinterlacing, etc. comes into play

[14:33:59]

oaf:

file sizes around 8GB/hour don't think it's quite 1080 (1440?)

[14:34:21]

iamlindoro:

20Mbit 1080i h.264, with naughty encoding options

[14:34:26]

iamlindoro:

yeah, it's hard :)

[14:34:26]

Dibblah:

They don't use slices, if I recall.

[14:34:36]

oaf:

right... slices = spread across cores, yes?

[14:34:36]

Dibblah:

So it's all currently on one core.

[14:34:41]

oaf:

there you go

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sphery:

so, how fast do they make C2D, now? :)

[14:34:43]

oaf:

pfff

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oaf:

how about transcoding? Would that be better – e.g. to xvid?

[14:35:16]

** iamlindoro suggests taking up a pool to pay a certain couple of fellows at ffmpeg to start the merge on the generic multithread stuff **

[14:35:40]

Dibblah:

... You'll need to save some for the local ffmpeg merge.

[14:35:50]

Dibblah:

Which is decidedly non-trivial this time round.

[14:36:06]

iamlindoro:

Heh, we've got people crawling out of the woodwork to do it on an amateur basis

[14:36:07]

iamlindoro:

;)

[14:36:14]

oaf:

Hmmm so Myth is using old code for playback? That's why mplayer works OK? More recent?

[14:36:19]

laga:

Dibblah: you being sarcastic?

[14:36:25]

Dibblah:

No.

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Dibblah:

oaf: We don't know.

[14:37:09]

oaf:

Hmmm, OK.

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iamlindoro:

oaf, While that surely helps, mplayer has infinitely lower overhead and does far less at any given moment than myth does

[14:37:51]

Dibblah:

There are sporadic people that report that myth is slower than mplayer – But noone does any oprofile work, etc that would help narrow it down.

[14:37:56]

sphery:

Myth is likely to get new code shortly after the code that will actually really help goes in

[14:38:06]

oaf:

So I guess it's transcoding or VDPAU (which is 0.22 and has its own problems)

[14:38:14]

oaf:

Is that pretty much it?

[14:39:58]

Sigi:

hi, if i put in my tv card, is it necessary to connect the yellow red and black flat cables ?

[14:40:05]

Sigi:

video is working, but got no sound

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iamlindoro:

Sounds suspiciously like a framegrabber to me

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iamlindoro:

Which I consider "personally unsupported"

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Sigi:

ok, its my first time myth tv :P, so dont realy know where to look for

[14:45:48]

Sigi:

i can play .mp3 files with a audio player

[14:46:04]

iamlindoro:

Sigi, what is your capture device?

[14:46:29]

Sigi:

a analoge one, the cheapest i think

[14:47:02]

iamlindoro:

So yes, that would likely be a framegrabber, which are notoriously evil to deal with, and of poor quality

[14:47:21]

sphery:

for US users wanting to see power usage, newegg has a Kill-a-Watt ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001 ) for $19.99 and free shipping with code EMCLTMW29

[14:47:24]

iamlindoro:

They often require an audio "passthrough" to the sound card and correct mixer setting to capture audio

[14:47:31]

Sigi:

02:02.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7134/SAA7135HL Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01)

[14:47:37]

Sigi:

i think thats my card...

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iamlindoro:

most likely

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Sigi:

but, how do i fix this ?

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Sigi:

or is that very hard ?

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sphery:

Sigi: getting a nice PVR-150 would fix it nicely :)

[14:49:06]

Sigi:

whahaha :P, y ofcorse other hardware...

[14:49:07]

sphery:

and you could then give iamlindoro your frame grabber so add to his bonfire pile

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sphery:

Sigi: start http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html , but note that it's a /lot/ more complex

[14:49:51]

sphery:

and it's very capture card specific

[14:50:05]

Sigi:

ok, thx for the link :)

[14:50:10]

sphery:

again, though, a $30 PVR-150 would fix it without your needing to spend hours figuring it out

[14:50:25]

iamlindoro:

Yes, framegrabbers are really really not worth it

[14:50:40]

iamlindoro:

And if you live in DVB land, any cheap DVB-T card will work leaps and bounds better

[14:50:56]

Sigi:

i realy dont know :P im dutch

[14:51:35]

iamlindoro:

I would expect you guys have DVB-T by now, but not sure

[14:52:12]

iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_televisi . . . _Netherlands

[14:52:42]

iamlindoro:

Looks like you were the second euro country to go all digital, so a real digital tuner is *especially* warranted

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sphery:

and they're generally rather cheap, too

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iamlindoro:

Looks like nearly everyone uses cable, though, and no CAM/CI

[14:53:39]

iamlindoro:

hmm..

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sphery:

ahhh

[14:53:57]

iamlindoro:

In which case, back to PVR-150s

[14:54:25]

sphery:

can't get to hauppauge's site, now, so I can't see how much they charge for the PVR-150 PAL

[14:54:28]

Sigi:

aha, but i didnt want to invest on it, had a old pc lying here with a tv card.

[14:54:41]

sphery:

you're going to invest

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sphery:

either time or money

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iamlindoro:

and as most of us here have long since forgotten our framegrabber-fu, you'll be re-re-re-re-reinventing the whell on your own

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iamlindoro:

wheel

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sphery:

we've forgotten it so much we don't even know how to spell it :)

[14:56:52]

Sigi:

whahah ok :P, well im gonna give it a try tough.

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Sigi:

i got time, not much money :D

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meshe:

pvr-150 cards are only $40 with an mce remote, but are NTSC

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Dibblah:

Oooh. http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl

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Dibblah:

NTSC / PAL are meaningless.

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Dibblah:

Unless you're using it for actual tuning, which I would highly recommend not doing.

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Sigi:

whooo got some sound:O

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new2linx:

sphery, are you still around?

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new2linx:

i am back. when I did ls -l /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/ | grep weather. didn't return anything. so do that mean mythweather wont work now?

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sphery:

new2linx: try it

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wagnerrp:

looks like comcast is going to start rolling out IPv6

[15:49:56]

Essobi:

Yup.

[15:50:00]

Essobi:

Just read that too.

[15:50:17]

wagnerrp:

so what will that do to embedded devices?

[15:50:39]

Essobi:

Umm.. Pwn?

[15:50:44]

wagnerrp:

will i be able to get a new firmware for my access points (now that i think about it, DDWRT probably supports it already)

[15:50:51]

wagnerrp:

what about my phone ATA or HDHR

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Essobi:

Anything that isn't IPV6 will be f'ed.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, won't change them, ipv6 to the comcast provided router and you're fine, cause from there on it's ipv4

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Essobi:

And you'll have to run IPV6->IPV4 NAT if you want to stay 4 on the inside..

[15:51:26]

wagnerrp:

i suppose some things i could run dual-IP internally, since they never need to access the internet

[15:51:35]

Essobi:

Ayup.

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stuarta:

ipv6 is goodness

[15:51:53]

kormoc:

it'll work fine for the majority of folks, it's fud to say that things just won't work....

[15:51:58]

Essobi:

FreeBSD has really good IPv6 to IPv4 already for a router.

[15:52:11]

kormoc:

As if everything else doesn't?

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Essobi:

kormoc: ... Excuse me?

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wagnerrp:

even windows has good ipv6 support now

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kormoc:

Linux, *.bsd, windows all do v6 to v4 just fine

[15:53:17]

kormoc:

and all shipping and shipped consumer grade routers have for years now

[15:53:40]

iamlindoro:

I'm leapfrogging straight to IPv8

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wagnerrp:

ive been considering switching internally for some time

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jblack:

All we need to do is give the internet to the FCC. They can hand out coupons for ipv4->ipv6 converter boxes. :)

[15:53:53]

iamlindoro:

where each device is addressed by its specific molecular structure

[15:53:56]

wagnerrp:

but AFAIK, it wont do the XP machines any good

[15:53:58]

kormoc:

when a $9.99 worknets router has ipv6 support, it's not going to be something to worry about...

[15:54:18]

wagnerrp:

not to mention there is next to no IP6 content

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kormoc:

ipv6.google.com!

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wagnerrp:

let me rephrase that... next to no ipv6 content that isnt available on ipv4

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jblack:

and actually, let's not worry about ipv6 until we've migrated to ipv5

[15:55:12]

wagnerrp:

not to mention i would have to route traffic through some tunnel

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Essobi:

Linux can still be quirky.. and I've still see lots of Cable modems that don't support V6 being shipped.

[15:55:24]

Essobi:

And Window/Mac got their network stacks from *BSD so obviously they're going to work. :)

[15:55:24]

Essobi:

jblack: AWESOME..

[15:55:25]

Essobi:

wagnerrp: There's a good bit of it.

[15:55:25]

Essobi:

wagner: That's true.

[15:55:46]

Essobi:

kormoc: You trust a router that costs $9.99? :)

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** kormoc thinks Essobi's ipv4 stack is lagging **

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kormoc:

Essobi, aye, they're fairly common these days

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jblack:

essobi: Which of my two sarcastic, arguably amusing, comments was awesome?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i saw that too

[15:56:30]

kormoc:

Essobi, that said, it's not something I'd use, but if others want to, why not, it's their loss

[15:56:43]

Essobi:

Fair enough.

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iamlindoro:

I think the only thing that irritates me about IPv6 is that it totally scraps my ability to memorize all devices addresses on my network

[15:58:14]

iamlindoro:

at least, with any ease

[15:58:34]

wagnerrp:

it just means you have to add a couple numbers

[15:58:45]

wagnerrp:

or use addresses where most of the numbers drop out

[15:58:52]

wagnerrp:

i.e.: all zeroes

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iamlindoro:

"just" is seldom just

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sphery:

but then you have to remember a bunch of colons

[15:59:16]

sphery:

looks like there are 2 root servers with ipv6 so far

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Essobi:

sphery: I thought there was 4..

[15:59:32]

sphery:

wonder when the other 11 will get their ipv6 support

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wagnerrp:

probably when the load picks up to necessitate it

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sphery:

I only see 2 (A & F)

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** iamlindoro fears the day he must connect to mythweb as http://[::1/128]:8080/mythweb **

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** wagnerrp hugs his DNS server **

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iamlindoro:

or, Hey, you moron, you left your master backend set to ::1/128!

[16:02:29]

iamlindoro:

or, "There's noplace like ::1/128"

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new2linx:

sphery, i don't even see mythweather anywhere in mythweb?

[16:02:38]

sphery:

new2linx: use mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

new2linx: mythweather wont show up in mythweb until you have at least one frontend set up to use it

[16:03:13]

wagnerrp:

that means installed and configured with sources

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, ol

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, ok i meant.

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sphery:

new2linx: if all else fails: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "DROP TABLE IF EXISTS weatherdatalayout, weatherscreens, weathersourcesettings; DELETE FROM settings WHERE value='WeatherDBSchemaVer';" ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/312941#312941 )

[16:07:41]

new2linx:

sphery, is it suppose to take a long time the first time a person opens mythweather in a frontend? it just says loading. http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5408/screenshot3u.png

[16:07:46]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, Looks like the Atom 330 1.6 Ghz's will overclock nicely to 2.1 Ghz with stock cooling

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new2linx:

sphery, how long should I wait before I try that solution?

[16:08:10]

iamlindoro:

Almost makes the ION 330s a viable ATSC software decoder with current ffmpeg

[16:08:30]

sphery:

new2linx: don't know. I haven't used MythWeather since the day I set it up shortly after the new version of MythWeather was written before 0.21 was released.

[16:08:47]

wagnerrp:

is that just from bumping the multiplier? i assume theyre not unlocked

[16:09:21]

wagnerrp:

err... FSB

[16:09:22]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I'm not sure, reading this: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2792/asrock_ . . . /index6.html

[16:09:34]

wagnerrp:

i assume the 945s dont even support changing the FSB

[16:09:39]

iamlindoro:

But it's ASRock's "EZ Overclock" feature, so I'd assume so

[16:09:48]

sphery:

isn't the atom a lot less efficient than C2 (clock-for-clock), though?

[16:09:54]

iamlindoro:

sphery: yeah

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wagnerrp:

that depends on how you view efficiency

[16:10:10]

new2linx:

sphery, ok. thanks

[16:10:13]

sphery:

but 2.1GHz atom would actually handle MPEG-2 decode in software?

[16:10:15]

iamlindoro:

All the same, even with Pentium-Mish efficiency, 2.1 ought to do nicely for most Television needs

[16:10:22]

sphery:

cool

[16:10:28]

wagnerrp:

sure it does less work per clock than even a P4

[16:10:34]

wagnerrp:

but it uses almost no power to do so

[16:10:55]

sphery:

P-M does more per clock than P4, right?

[16:11:23]

wagnerrp:

the the 1.6 Atom is generally considered to be equivalent to a 1GHz P-M

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iamlindoro:

Which is what's in the ATV

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iamlindoro:

which I will grudgingly admit manages to *barely* play ATSC content including HD material

[16:12:04]

iamlindoro:

though not with any sort of user experience I would recommend

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new2linx:

sphery, sure enough. I ran mythfrontend.real -v playback > mythfrontend.log and I see this in the log file Table 'mythconverg.weatherscreens' doesn't exist QMYSQL3:

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new2linx:

sphery, so I have to turn off mysqld first or not?

[16:14:11]

sphery:

I'm trying to decide if cheaping out and buying an ECS mobo for my new LRC is a bad idea. I tend to have good luck with PC Chips and ECS, but I've never had problems with Asus (which is about $25 more--an increase of 17% from the $144 PC price with the ECS)

[16:14:46]

sphery:

new2linx: shut off mythfrontends (and mythbackends if you really want) and then do the above mysql command (you /must/ run mysqld while doing it)

[16:14:56]

wagnerrp:

LRC?

[16:14:59]

** J-e-f-f-A steers clear of PC Chips... **

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sphery:

living room computer

[16:15:18]

sphery:

i.e. computer (not Myth box) that I use for browsing/email when in the living room

[16:15:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

... although it might be fine for a 'generic' "LRC"... I wouldn't use one for a myth frontend myself...

[16:16:03]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, I know PC Chips and ECS are terrible quality, but I've had some really stable ones (thanks to their use of older components :)

[16:16:18]

sphery:

yeah, my mfe is Asus

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new2linx:

sphery, ok. i'll try it. should I also do what that link said to do. UPDATE settings SET data='100' WHERE value='WeatherDBSchemaVer'; ?

[16:16:29]

sphery:

funny enough, both of my mythbackends are PC Chips :)

[16:16:36]

sphery:

(and rock solid stable!)

[16:16:42]

laga:

sphery: woah.

[16:17:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I tend to favor MSI the last few years – had some bad experiences with ASUS – conflicts and finiky about memory, etc...

[16:17:07]

sphery:

new2linx: no, that's the post above the one I linked

[16:17:09]

sphery:

and it's wrong

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sphery:

the mysql I gave you does everything

[16:17:18]

sphery:

then restart myth

[16:17:20]

wagnerrp:

ive found every machine i own to be rock solid stable once i stop using it as a desktop and tinkering with it

[16:17:34]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: interesting... wasn't even looking at msi

[16:17:43]

wagnerrp:

when i tinker, bad things happen

[16:17:53]

iamlindoro:

I Like my Gigabytes

[16:18:05]

sphery:

I thought you were into Terabytes, now. :)

[16:18:19]

iamlindoro:

yar har har

[16:18:20]

** J-e-f-f-A doesn't really use his myth boxes as 'desktops' – the frontends are 99.9% myth-only, the backend about 90% myth only 10% other... ;-) **

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new2linx:

sphery, so I need to run this also? DELETE FROM settings WHERE value='WeatherDBSchemaVer';

[16:18:33]

iamlindoro:

Besides, terabyte drives are so 2008

[16:18:37]

** J-e-f-f-A agrees with iamlindoro about Gigabyte too... ;-) **

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sphery:

new2linx: you need to read the mysql command I gave you

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall any significant issues with my gigabyte board

[16:19:03]

sphery:

no free shipping on msi

[16:19:10]

wagnerrp:

other than the multiplier was set through a bunch of DIP switches

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new2linx:

sphery, i am sorry. you gave me a command and also a link. just checking.

[16:19:23]

sphery:

link was further reference

[16:19:25]

wagnerrp:

and the temperature sensor was borked, read about 15C high

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new2linx:

sphery, ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

As soon as my tax return comes in, I think I'll buy a monster motherboard like iamlindoro's... ;-)

[16:20:18]

iamlindoro:

Actually built someone a backend with that same board last weekend, was reminded what a pleasure it is to build a backend with it

[16:20:39]

wagnerrp:

i dont recall that board being particularly monsterous... just having a bunch of ethernet ports

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iamlindoro:

10 x SATA, 4 x ethernet, lots of PCIe, a couple PCI, solid caps, and just nice general design

[16:21:44]

new2linx:

sphery, i am using xchat and when I right click it doesn't give me a copy choice so I can copy the code you gave me. any ideas?

[16:21:58]

new2linx:

sphery, will try ctrl_c.

[16:22:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: which model is it again? ;-)

[16:22:00]

sphery:

type? :)

[16:22:03]

iamlindoro:

USe ctrl-c like the cool kids do

[16:22:15]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: EP45-DQ6

[16:22:26]

wagnerrp:

new2linx: if you just highlight the text, it copies

[16:23:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Ah, yes... ;-) Guess I'll have to switch from AMD to Intel in the process too... ;-)

[16:23:10]

new2linx:

sphery, it's just returning a ">"? what does that mean. I am running mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "DROP TABLE IF EXISTS weatherdatalayout, weatherscreens, weathersourcesettings; DELETE FROM settings WHERE value='WeatherDBSchemaVer';

[16:23:17]

iamlindoro:

s/switch/upgrade/

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kormoc:

new2linx, add the ending "

[16:23:35]

sphery:

new2linx: you're missing an end of line "

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new2linx:

kormoc, i just say that. thanks

[16:23:46]

sphery:

ctrl-c (in terminal) to stop command

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sphery:

then redo with quote

[16:24:01]

sphery:

stop command entry, really

[16:24:50]

wagnerrp:

the two PCIeX4 is fairly rare

[16:24:57]

new2linx:

sphery, thank you! got mythweather working now!! thank you all so much for your patience and support. Mythtv is da bomb :)

[16:26:33]

sphery:

guess we should have waited for kormoc before trying to fix your innodb problems (as he's the MySQL guru)

[16:26:55]

new2linx:

sphery, i am using the gant theme and my text seems awefully big and it's not all visibile in the program guide and other places. is this fixable?

[16:27:06]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, kormoc just mentioned how depressed he was that he didn't get to fix some random mythweather problem. I hope you guys are happy

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sphery:

sorry for stealing your sunshine, kormoc

[16:27:54]

new2linx:

sphery, i am running Nvidia 6200 128mb with the NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 169.12 driver. I run in 1280x1024 mode. Is there a better theme I can be using?

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** sphery misses Len **

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kormoc:

I'll go mope in the basement for awhile now

[16:28:28]

wagnerrp:

the theme is all to your preference.... however why are you running SXGA?

[16:28:30]

new2linx:

sphery, you got me through it. i appreciate it so much. thanks to you also kormic.

[16:28:58]

new2linx:

wagnerrp, what is SXGA. sorry for the ignorance

[16:29:01]

sphery:

fonts are all controlled by theme

[16:29:06]

wagnerrp:

1280x1024

[16:29:58]

new2linx:

wagnerrp, i don't have a widescreen monitor. we'll actually I am running 2 seperate x-screens. one is on a 17" 4:3 and one is on a 17" 16:9. any theme you guys suggest?

[16:30:12]

iamlindoro:

Graphite!

[16:30:24]

wagnerrp:

so youre running on a 17" 5:4 and a 17" 16:9

[16:30:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ooh, it does have firewire, just not on the back panel... ;-)

[16:30:39]

iamlindoro:

or, if you don't have access to my hard drive, Metallurgy or Blootube

[16:30:44]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: yep

[16:30:48]

new2linx:

wagnerrp, i guess?

[16:31:12]

wagnerrp:

1280x1024 is a 5:4 resolution, and running it on a 4:3 monitor is going to result in stretching and skewing

[16:31:22]

new2linx:

now mythnews seems to be hung?

[16:31:27]

iamlindoro:

Not to mention G.A.N.T being teh suck

[16:31:41]

wagnerrp:

anyway, i was just curious because its far too high res for a SD tv

[16:31:47]

wagnerrp:

and any HDTV is going to be widescreen

[16:32:08]

new2linx:

wagnerrp, oh. what res should I run on a none widescreen 17" monitor?

[16:32:30]

wagnerrp:

17" monitors are usually 1280x1024, because theyre usually 5:4 aspect ratio

[16:32:45]

sphery:

is the physical aspect ratio really 5:4

[16:32:51]

sphery:

I thought they were just non-square pixels

[16:32:59]

** kormoc feel stabbed in the heart by the g.a.n.t hate... **

[16:33:17]

XLV:

1280x960 is the closest and most common 4:3 res

[16:33:18]

new2linx:

myth news gives me MythNews: Error in loading Sites from DB

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new2linx:

XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/news-ui.xml

[16:33:59]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: What will you do when it atrophies beyond its current appendix-of-a-theme state?

[16:34:33]

wagnerrp:

cant find any panel dimensions, its all dimensions with the bezel

[16:34:35]

sphery:

iamlindoro: He'll just be using the theme "default" and call it G.A.N.T

[16:34:37]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Remember, Graphite is for sexy people and kormoc!

[16:34:43]

iamlindoro:

It even starts with G!

[16:35:00]

** sphery goes to get his ruler and measure his 17" 1280x1024 **

[16:35:16]

jams:

GANTphite <= the solution

[16:35:29]

** iamlindoro throws up a little in his mouth **

[16:35:53]

iamlindoro:

Mostly because I just imaged what that would actually look like

[16:35:59]

new2linx:

iamlindoro, i can't find graphite in my themes. i'll try out blootube.

[16:36:22]

iamlindoro:

new2linx: I was just having a joke, Graphite isn't released yet and will only be for .22

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, oh.

[16:36:49]

new2linx:

iamlindoro, are you aware of how to fix that myth news error message I am getting?

[16:37:00]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, mine is 5:4 (about 13.25" x 10.625")

[16:37:00]

wagnerrp:

what would happen if he tried to run graphite? would it even show up in the menu? would mythfrontend barf and crash?

[16:37:06]

iamlindoro:

The only thing you've posted so far isn't an error message

[16:37:13]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: It'd crash

[16:37:18]

wagnerrp:

sphery: well there you go

[16:37:40]

peque:

Hey guys. Just updated my system allthough I didn't updated any mythtv apps – and getting this error http://pastebin.com/m77e49f27 when starting the backend – does anybody have a clue

[16:37:42]

iamlindoro:

waaaaaaait a second

[16:37:57]

iamlindoro:

new2linx: can you run mythbackend --version and pastebin the output?

[16:38:31]

** iamlindoro has a bad feeling about this **

[16:38:32]

wagnerrp:

yeah, looks like he could run graphite

[16:38:42]

sphery:

peque: looks like a broken Qt MySQL driver

[16:38:44]

new2linx:

iamlindoro, http://pastebin.com/m204e9d09

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iamlindoro:

Hm. Well you are running the correct version of myth, so that's good

[16:39:29]

sphery:

16838... that's from like forever ago

[16:39:31]

wagnerrp:

then whats with the 'mythbackend version: trunk [20138]'

[16:39:55]

iamlindoro:

something is very broken there

[16:40:02]

wagnerrp:

oh... different user

[16:40:04]

wagnerrp:

nevermind

[16:40:04]

iamlindoro:

as (as I recall) .21 should have default fallbacks

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iamlindoro:

Or does it?

[16:40:15]

iamlindoro:

Haven't been on .21 is ages

[16:40:16]

iamlindoro:

in

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jams:

it does

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iamlindoro:

Ah, well never mind then

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sphery:

0.21 was released almost 16 months ago and r16838 is 15months old

[16:41:17]

sphery:

he needs a much newer version

[16:41:25]

iamlindoro:

Yes, MOAR FIXES

[16:41:29]

sphery:

IIRC, there have been some fixes in -fixes

[16:41:34]

peque:

spherry: Well – using ArchLinux – so have allso tried reinstalling qt, but still just getting error – so hoped that some of you guys have been there

[16:41:52]

wagnerrp:

peque: if anyone had run into that error, it would have been fixed months ago

[16:42:06]

iamlindoro:

peque: You're not running that KDEmod thing, are you?

[16:42:12]

sphery:

peque: my recommendation would be to use LinHES (which is ARCH already configured for Myth)

[16:42:40]

sphery:

sticky shift key...

[16:42:46]

iamlindoro:

Some arch KDE package that a number of people are running for more eye candy ships a broken Qt that breaks myth DB access

[16:43:21]

peque:

iamlindoro: No just running this one as a Backend server without X

[16:43:21]

sphery:

on the balance, it seems that eye candy > myth DB access

[16:43:57]

sphery:

after all, what good is function if you don't have popups disappearing in a poof of flames, etc.

[16:44:12]

** iamlindoro rotates sphery on a cube **

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peque:

starts only x – when using mythtv-setup – and normally on the frontends I use Gnome.

[16:44:37]

peque:

spherry: What is LinHES – in this matte r

[16:45:05]

sphery:

peque: I'd recommend checking your Qt install carefully and verifying that your Qt mysql is the right version for your Qt

[16:45:06]

iamlindoro:

"sphery: peque: my recommendation would be to use LinHES (which is ARCH already configured for Myth)"

[16:45:17]

sphery:

(and for the Qt used to build myth)

[16:45:21]

sphery:

or, just use LinHES

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new2linx:

sphery, I am running whatever is in Ubuntu Hardy Heron repos.

[16:51:39]

new2linx:

iamlindoro, blootube is awesome on my 17" hdtv! thanks

[16:51:58]

new2linx:

now anyone aware of how to fix myth news error I am getting?

[16:52:33]

SHADOW_V2:

hey new2linx you are just full of problems lol

[16:53:01]

iamlindoro:

new2linx: np

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iamlindoro:

new2linx: Seriously, though, you're going to have to paste an actual error for us solve it :)

[16:53:20]

new2linx:

SHADOW_V2, i know. sorry.

[16:53:44]

iamlindoro:

As perviously mentioned, the one and only line so far is diagnostic, not error

[16:54:58]

SHADOW_V2:

also maybe your jumping the gun? maybe just have a fe/be and see how that goes

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SHADOW_V2:

baby steps

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, according to mythfrontend.real --verbose playback it says this: http://pastebin.com/m4d4d9d06

[16:56:36]

new2linx:

and I get this picture. http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3119/screenshot4oco.png

[16:56:53]

new2linx:

iamlindoro, how do I get more of an explaination for the error?

[16:57:09]

iamlindoro:

Appears you have another broken DB table

[16:57:12]

wagnerrp:

whoops

[16:57:32]

SHADOW_V2:

new2linx, did you do a mythbuntu install without touching anything

[16:57:32]

wagnerrp:

my firewall has not been tracking traffic totals since mid may, i forgot to install perl on it

[16:57:34]

iamlindoro:

Then again, you may just not have added any sites yet

[16:58:04]

iamlindoro:

Have you actually added any sites to MythNews? A blank page is expected until you do so

[16:58:14]

new2linx:

SHADOW_V2, no. i did an ubuntu install, then installed mythtv.

[16:58:25]

SHADOW_V2:

why

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, how do I add sites to it?

[16:58:32]

** iamlindoro has a feeling he is troubleshooting the "hasn't bothered to read the manual" error **

[16:59:06]

iamlindoro:

new2linx: In all honesty, it's not cool to ask usage questions on IRC when that kind of info is all in the docs and wiki

[16:59:10]

SHADOW_V2:

me and sphery both told you to do a mythbuntu install because like iamlindoro is pointing out you prob havnt read the manual and arent the most comfortable setting up myth on your own

[17:00:03]

iamlindoro:

Generally speaking, almost all myth screens have context menus activated by I or M, but you really need to figure out basic *basic* stuff like this by reading documentation and now expecting people to talk you through stuff like that

[17:00:11]

iamlindoro:

s/now/not/

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new2linx:

SHADOW_V2, because I wanted to go with a LTS release. ALso, I first tried Hardy Mythbuntu but I was having such difficulty with it. then I went to jaunty mythbuntu, that didn't work either. then I went to hardy with mythtv installed seperately.

[17:02:40]

new2linx:

iamlindoro, ok. i googled and only found how to install it but nothing about configuration. one place i looked was here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-21.html

[17:03:00]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index

[17:03:04]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Plugins_and_Addons

[17:03:10]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNews

[17:03:30]

iamlindoro:

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&am . . . amp;oe=UTF-8

[17:03:35]

iamlindoro:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythNews

[17:03:45]

SHADOW_V2:

i have to say that its incredible when people in here have been patient for days no one is around to see that

[17:03:47]

new2linx:

i am also getting weird boxes in myth movie times. http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4125/screenshot5.png why is that?

[17:03:51]

wagnerrp:

safari?? bringing up that 2% eh?

[17:04:15]

iamlindoro:

Because the author of that theme (understandably) doesn't care about MythMovies

[17:04:20]

iamlindoro:

since it doesn't work in his country

[17:05:08]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Makes for a nice work environment :)

[17:06:14]

new2linx:

SHADOW_V2, and I totally appreciate your help. if I knew how to get the answers on my own I would certainly do that. sorry about the news question. i got it sorted.

[17:07:10]

SHADOW_V2:

no thats not the point the point is people in this channel can be "nice" and patient if things are asked a certain way and not demanded

[17:08:15]

iamlindoro:

new2linx: note he's not saying you were demanding, merely that we are being nice :)

[17:08:25]

SHADOW_V2:

:)

[17:08:53]

SHADOW_V2:

so my box is acting up again last night i could record no problem now i cant even use broadcast channels

[17:08:56]

iamlindoro:

As some (Myself included) are known for holding some people to a high standard of research before wasting channel time

[17:09:16]

iamlindoro:

But I recognize that you are doing your best (though I still advise a proper mythbuntu install if it continues to be problematic)

[17:09:20]

SHADOW_V2:

which is rightfully so

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SHADOW_V2:

firewire tester wont fix a connection to even network channels

[17:09:53]

SHADOW_V2:

eh stb

[17:10:24]

iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2: tried -p, -B, and -b options?

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SHADOW_V2:

firewire_tester -B -n 0 -r 10

[17:10:47]

SHADOW_V2:

thats what i am currently doing

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, i just need to go through mythfrontend and set everything up and read the WIKI and mythtv website. thank you all

[17:10:50]

SHADOW_V2:

but i will add those

[17:10:59]

iamlindoro:

new2linx: you are welcome

[17:11:13]

iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2: one of them at a time, of course

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cityLights1:

iamlindoro: hi

[17:11:19]

iamlindoro:

cityLights1: hello

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SHADOW_V2:

right

[17:11:40]

cityLights1:

I got some questions I have been wanting to ask

[17:11:49]

SHADOW_V2:

eh keeps on failing even on fox

[17:11:59]

new2linx:

iamlindoro, the blootube theme for mythweather doesn't show the temps either, the text is white and really huge. I just need to go through the themes I guess and keep trying. but what if it works for one plugin but not another?

[17:12:07]

cityLights1:

1. is there a way to stop mythtv from readjacting the volume upon skiping ahead?

[17:13:46]

wagnerrp:

i was under the impression the multirec/telnet stuff wasnt so much a 'bounty' as 'contracted work'

[17:13:50]

cityLights1:

2. sometimes when I hit watch live tv OR play a recording two instances are executed and I hear the audio twice

[17:14:10]

cityLights1:

hi wagnerrp

[17:14:22]

GreyFoxx:

multirec was a bounty, telnet was "anyone wanna do this we will pay" so Captain_Murdoch did the work

[17:14:25]

SHADOW_V2:

iamlindoro, even after -b because its a dch3200 still wont work i was having troubles with this box before i am thinking my best bet is to return it thoughts?

[17:14:44]

iamlindoro:

new2linx: Then you figure out which one you can live with, or learn theming and fix it

[17:15:07]

iamlindoro:

new2linx: Or you think about the fact that all the existing themes are getting scrapped or rewritten for the next release anyway

[17:15:27]

SHADOW_V2:

either or

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2: I doubt that a new box would behave any differently

[17:15:51]

iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2: since the behaviors are established by a profile loaded into the box from the headend

[17:16:04]

SHADOW_V2:

but last night it works fine

[17:16:14]

SHADOW_V2:

and now i cant even get local broadcast over it

[17:16:20]

SHADOW_V2:

s/works/worked

[17:16:20]

iamlindoro:

5C is per program, not per channel

[17:16:39]

iamlindoro:

It's entirely possible for a given channel to be fine for one hour, and 5C the next

[17:16:45]

SHADOW_V2:

iamlindoro, i understand that but arent local broadcast need to be open

[17:16:49]

SHADOW_V2:

right i know that

[17:16:52]

iamlindoro:

Not via firewire

[17:17:02]

iamlindoro:

they don't have to give you anything but an active port via firewire

[17:17:07]

SHADOW_V2:

hmm

[17:17:12]

iamlindoro:

which could mean as little as channel changing

[17:17:18]

SHADOW_V2:

right

[17:17:40]

SHADOW_V2:

but your sayins its probably to have over 100 channels accesible at 4 am and now at 1pm nothing

[17:17:57]

SHADOW_V2:

firewire_tester -b -n 0 -r 10

[17:17:57]

SHADOW_V2:

even that fails

[17:18:41]

SHADOW_V2:

whoops nvm i am an idiot

[17:18:47]

** SHADOW_V2 sits in corner with dunce cap **

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** iamlindoro looks sternly at SHADOW_V2 **

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iamlindoro:

What did you do, young man?

[17:20:08]

SHADOW_V2:

told it to record on a channel and when it didnt work i kept trying to use firewire tester when i still had the backend incontrol over the connection

[17:20:11]

SHADOW_V2:

be stupid

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SHADOW_V2:

atleast i caught it :)

[17:21:20]

SHADOW_V2:

not early enough though

[17:21:54]

SHADOW_V2:

new2linx, and thats why most people get yelled at they dont think and use their head before they ask questions

[17:22:09]

** SHADOW_V2 grumbles about my generation **

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SHADOW_V2:

s/my/his

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thedarkone:

i went out and bought a new pc

[17:22:36]

SHADOW_V2:

i woke up 30 mins ago

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SHADOW_V2:

how could i get firewire_tester to prime a channel after a channel change has been made but before its recording or is that unecessary

[17:24:16]

Sigi:

hi, there i am again, i read on the internet that if you plug a cable from my (low budget) tv card to my motherboard

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Sigi:

sound will be fixd on line in...

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sphery:

SHADOW_V2: don't know if it's necessary, but it's only possible (from a Myth perspective) by using an external channel changer script

[17:24:49]

Sigi:

but wich color should i plug it into on the tv tuner card? red, yellow or black ?

[17:25:21]

sphery:

if RCA connectors, red and white are typically audio

[17:25:30]

sphery:

yellow is typically video (composite)

[17:25:30]

iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2: It's largely unnecessary, but it *is* wise to use firewire_primer.pl from trunk to prime twice an hour or so

[17:25:58]

iamlindoro:

Use that script as it determines whether there is a recording in progress *before* priming, saving you from killing your recording

[17:25:59]

SHADOW_V2:

ok i will need to find that as i am not running funky fresh trunk

[17:26:12]

SHADOW_V2:

that would be nice

[17:26:15]

Sigi:

ok, and what about red or black ?

[17:26:15]

iamlindoro:

You don't need trunk to run it, just pull it from the contrib dir in the trunk source

[17:26:48]

new2linx:

what theme has been around the longest?

[17:26:48]

SHADOW_V2:

thanks iamlindoro you are so helpful

[17:26:53]

iamlindoro:

np

[17:27:14]

iamlindoro:

new2linx: Blue, GANT, and to a lesser extent, Mythcenter

[17:27:39]

iamlindoro:

more or less, all core themes have been around for ages (and due to be rewritten or tossed)

[17:27:59]

iamlindoro:

metallurgy may be the most current while still being the most complete

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thedarkone:

is a 1024 nivida hd card any good

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sphery:

Sigi: best bet is to look at the manual for your card

[17:29:18]

sphery:

as colors aren't necessary standard

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iamlindoro:

That is not any nvidia product number that I am familiar with

[17:29:21]

sphery:

so anything I say is just a guess

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new2linx:

thanks

[17:30:03]

sphery:

which isn't any more likely to help than just randomly plugging stuff into different jacks and testing

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new2linx:

not one theme works for mythweather. the temperature text is to big and even when I change the font to small it still isn't visible. http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4125/screenshot5.png

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new2linx:

and http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3415/screenshot7t.png

[17:39:25]

iamlindoro:

Let us know when it's all fixed up ;)

[17:39:44]

SHADOW_V2:

occasionaly firewire_tester while using -B says

[17:39:44]

SHADOW_V2:

Broadcast: Testing...Dropped 120586240 packet(s). is that anything to worry about

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2: I don't ever see that, so I don't know

[17:40:04]

SHADOW_V2:

hmm

[17:40:08]

iamlindoro:

I imagine it's not a *good* thing

[17:40:12]

SHADOW_V2:

right

[17:40:21]

new2linx:

turns out mythweather in mythweb doesn't work. it's a blank page and i did go through the setup within frontend. http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5389/screenshot8w.png

[17:41:17]

iamlindoro:

Does not work *for you*

[17:41:34]

iamlindoro:

Be careful about making statements to the effect that things don't work at all, that generally tends not to be the case

[17:41:55]

SHADOW_V2:

i have gotten it to work so there

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[17:42:27]

iamlindoro:

Yes, he just hasn't configured it

[17:42:28]

iamlindoro:

again

[17:42:34]

iamlindoro:

Now it's kinda starting to get old

[17:43:01]

iamlindoro:

You still have to add active screens to the mythweb setup

[17:43:07]

SHADOW_V2:

new2linx, i would suggesst a thorough reading over of the manual before the dark side rises they can only keep it at bay for so long

[17:43:58]

Sigi:

sphery, i got a very cheap basic one, cant find a datasheet for that one :-/

[17:44:34]

sphery:

Sigi: user manual?

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, so there's additional setup required for it to work with mythweb?

[17:44:43]

sphery:

quick-start guide

[17:44:48]

sphery:

something less technical?

[17:45:11]

** SHADOW_V2 waits for it **

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new2linx:

SHADOW_V2, ok. hopefully I won't be back. thanks again so much for everyones patience and time.

[17:45:30]

SHADOW_V2:

yup

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new2linx:

SHADOW_V2, but as far as the mythweather and not being able to read the temperatures because the font is too big, is that in the manual?

[17:46:26]

SHADOW_V2:

it might be check or just switch themes i am sure there is a theme that works all around

[17:46:27]

sphery:

likely means you don't have the right fonts installed

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sphery:

(something which would be done with a nice Myth distro :)

[17:46:57]

Sigi:

sphery, also nothing, isnt it common to have those connectors or what ? :P

[17:46:58]

new2linx:

sphery, ok. i'll look into the fonts for mythtv also. thanks again and bye

[17:47:39]

iamlindoro:

MythWeather is *really* odious to theme

[17:48:06]

iamlindoro:

I've spent at least a little time on it for Graphite and after changing a tag or two, just give up and push it off

[17:48:33]

sphery:

Sigi: may be common, but for those of us who have never used a framegrabber (who instead used PVR-x50's before switching to digital capture), I couldn't tell what they mean

[17:48:46]

sphery:

usually if they're mini-jacks, they have little pictures next to them

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sphery:

or words/abbreviations

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sphery:

may be the same for RCA (but RCA usually uses red/white for audio and yellow for video)

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sphery:

don't know what black would be

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SHADOW_V2:

iamlindoro, if firewire_tester -B -n 0 -r 2

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SHADOW_V2:

returns a success the channel should work correct or am i mistaken

[17:50:04]

sphery:

iammistaken?

[17:50:14]

iamlindoro:

If the success is consistent, then yes, in theory you ought to be able to capture

[17:50:18]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Frequently!

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Sigi:

sphery, ok im just conna try a bit, thx :(

[17:50:41]

Sigi:

:( = :)

[17:50:45]

Sigi:

:P

[17:52:01]

SHADOW_V2:

ok because it is consistent but fe cand do live tv on it and the backend doesnt want to record even though its stable according to firewire tester so thats why i htink something is up i had this problem a while ago with this box it would shut off by itself

[17:53:02]

new2linx:

Sigi, after you test the channel with firewire_tester, i found that it also had the tested with test-mpeg2

[17:53:32]

iamlindoro:

Whoaahhhh easy there

[17:53:47]

iamlindoro:

test_mpeg2 doesn't do *anything* besides stream data, which is just what myth does

[17:53:59]

iamlindoro:

does nothing to stabilize the connection, and is utterly unnecessary

[17:55:05]

iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2: would need backend logs of a record attempt on the stable channel to know anything

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SHADOW_V2:

ah ok

[17:55:23]

iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2: Have you cranked you tuning timeouts way up and (if necessary) disabled firewire bus reset in mythtv-setup?

[17:55:32]

SHADOW_V2:

will do that i want to try and figure out whats going on

[17:55:35]

SHADOW_V2:

will do that now

[17:56:54]

sphery:

all I'm seeing in this discussion is, "OTA ftw!"

[17:57:21]

sphery:

glad I don't have to deal with cable boxes

[17:57:23]

iamlindoro:

"So long as all you want to watch is on netowrk TV!"

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iamlindoro:

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sphery:

hey, the scrollers would happen whether OTA or cable--it's just the local broadcaster that messes that up

[18:01:14]

SHADOW_V:

sphery, i rather deal with this stb business any day compared to ota

[18:01:22]

sphery:

and now that the transition is complete rescanning shouldn't need to be done

[18:01:41]

sphery:

and I get good reception from 33miles away

[18:01:45]

sphery:

with an antenna in my attic

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SHADOW_V:

but how many channels do you get

[18:02:42]

SHADOW_V:

what if one wants to record lets say the discovery channel

[18:02:46]

iamlindoro:

Hey, he likes both of those channels

[18:03:00]

sphery:

all of them :) (NBC, CBS, ABC, CW, Fox, MyTV, and multiple PBS channels)

[18:03:02]

iamlindoro:

And I can't even get an *ugly* picture where I live

[18:03:03]

SHADOW_V:

in his defence those are great channels

[18:03:29]

sphery:

iamlindoro: if they'd just flatten your state like we did ours...

[18:03:34]

SHADOW_V:

whoa sphery dont watch all of those at once

[18:03:53]

iamlindoro:

I could get two tuners and record everything twice!

[18:04:03]

iamlindoro:

;)

[18:04:05]

SHADOW_V:

yipee

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sphery:

on the bright side, Discovery only has new shows once every 6 months ("Walking with Dinosaurs," "Walking with Gorillas." "Walking with Snakes," etc.), so I only miss 2 shows a year.

[18:05:39]

SHADOW_V:

mythbusters?

[18:05:50]

iamlindoro:

Ice Road truckers! Deadliest Catch!

[18:06:02]

iamlindoro:

Though admittedly I don't really watch Disc

[18:06:05]

SHADOW_V:

iamlindoro, you clearly forgot their best one

[18:06:07]

SHADOW_V:

pitch men

[18:06:12]

sphery:

And The Learning Channel is now "The Home Fashion and Remodeling Channel"

[18:06:26]

iamlindoro:

Discovery HD Theatre is pretty kick ass

[18:06:34]

SHADOW_V:

that it is

[18:06:43]

iamlindoro:

If you like gorgeous travel and nature channels, anyway

[18:06:43]

sphery:

MythBusters is interesting when I'm in the mood for bad science with a Hollywood spin

[18:06:58]

sphery:

but not worth the cost

[18:06:59]

highzeth:

Dirty Jobs .. nuff said

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SHADOW_V:

sphery, are you sure you arent jealous you dont get paid to do that

[18:07:29]

sphery:

I wouldn't mind getting paid to do it.

[18:07:37]

GreyFoxx:

highzeth: hehe I love that show :)

[18:07:54]

highzeth:

=)

[18:08:16]

sphery:

Really, the only cable channel I would likely be interested in is SyFy (though now that SG-1, SGA, BSG, ... are all ending, maybe not)

[18:08:39]

sphery:

Oh, and I'll be slightly jealous of you all watching new Futurama episodes since I don't get Cartoon Channel

[18:08:55]

iamlindoro:

Caprica coming up, and if they ever got off their butts maybe the farscape webisodes (which still aren't done) could lead to a Farscape spinoff

[18:08:55]

sphery:

but that's why they release DVD's of all those things--so I can watch them a year after you all :)

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sphery:

forgot about Caprica

[18:09:12]

iamlindoro:

So we can all wonder what old man sphery is talking about

[18:09:15]

iamlindoro:

?

[18:09:23]

iamlindoro:

Is he... talking about last season?

[18:09:28]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

that way I don't accidentally give out spoilers like I may or may not have with T:TSCC season 2

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Yeah I've been watching for info on those webisodes for 2 year and so far nothing

[18:10:01]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: yeah, depressing :(

[18:10:15]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Hope it was just delayed by the strike, rather than a casualty altogether

[18:11:35]

GreyFoxx:

I think it's toast

[18:11:43]

GreyFoxx:

and I reallty hope I'm wrong on that

[18:11:54]

iamlindoro:

Hope so too

[18:11:58]

GreyFoxx:

it was delayed by the strike originally

[18:12:06]

GreyFoxx:

but it's been so long without a hint of progress

[18:12:29]

SHADOW_V:

my box froose and now doesnt display my channels i really think its the box thats messed up

[18:12:32]

iamlindoro:

"On 10 June 2009, Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune announced via Twitter, "Farscape webisodes are 'still in play.' they're still being developed but not yet at script stage.""

[18:12:41]

iamlindoro:

So that's a good thing

[18:12:54]

GreyFoxx:

hahah not at the script stage

[18:12:56]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[18:13:08]

GreyFoxx:

"we've got ideas and are still considering it"

[18:13:11]

GreyFoxx:

that means nothing :)

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[18:13:17]

Dagmar:

"We're no idea where we'll get the money from"

[18:13:25]

Dagmar:

s/We're/We've/;

[18:13:26]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: It means as of June 10th they're not canceled outright

[18:13:34]

Dagmar:

That's the bit you *should* be worrying about

[18:13:34]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[18:14:36]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar: They've already signed with the sci Fi channel for the webisodes-- not that things can't still fall through, but who would pay for them is not any more pressing an issue than ever before

[18:14:37]

Dagmar:

That show was hellishly expensive to produce because it had about a million rubber monsters

[18:15:16]

Dagmar:

It'll likely be 999,999 short of that if they can't secure a large budget for costuming and sets

[18:15:56]

Dagmar:

One of their episodes they *literally* cast the entire Lucasfilms warehouse.

[18:15:58]

iamlindoro:

Stargate Episode Budget: 2.2 Million. Farscape Episode Budget: 2 Million

[18:16:08]

sphery:

I'd love to see a Simpsons episode where the pimple-faced teen is shown bouncing off a trampoline at the bottom of Geezer Rock, saying, "What, they brought Futurama back?" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudcast_News )

[18:16:17]

iamlindoro:

11 Seasons of stargate and three spinoffs, and more expensive

[18:16:21]

Dagmar:

Everything they had that wasn't nailed down got dressed up and shipped over to the Farscape studio

[18:16:25]

sphery:

2.2M for SG-1 eps? Wow.

[18:16:32]

sphery:

(worth every penny, though)

[18:16:54]

Dagmar:

Including the Nostromo, and all the models from the Dark Crysstal

[18:17:11]

iamlindoro:

Point being, you have probably 20 seasons worth of Stargate shows, and four of farscape, and it was less expensive and a better show

[18:17:16]

sphery:

maybe the episode 200--where SG-1 had to use that Farscape stuff--gave them enough cash to get the show going again?

[18:17:36]

Dagmar:

Might be

[18:17:43]

jblack:

screw all that. I want Firefly back.

[18:18:00]

Dagmar:

...but I don't see how that would help since the cost more than Stargate did

[18:18:19]

sphery:

Just gotta get Nathan Fillion onto Dollhouse and then we'll be part way to Firefly

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Again, they cost *less* than Farscape

[18:19:03]

iamlindoro:

by 200 thousand dollars

[18:19:05]

iamlindoro:

er

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iamlindoro:

sorry, less than stargate

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iamlindoro:

2.2 Mil per episode Stargate

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iamlindoro:

2 Mil per ep Farscape

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SHADOW_V:

thats alot of money pershow

[18:20:03]

peque:

Well – I've tried everything about my QT-driver but still getting the same error

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[18:20:58]

dustybin:

do you guys keep your desktop computer on 24.7?

[18:22:03]

iamlindoro:

And the ratings for both shows are near-identical, 1.2–1.9

[18:22:08]

new2linx:

I AM SORRY BUT THIS IS REDICULOUS. now for some reason my slave I am trying to add won't connect. i get the mythtv@celeron denied access to database. i'll goggle it for awhile but according to phpmyadmin, everyone and there grandma has access to the damn database. also, all the mysql.txt files all have the same info in them on the celeron box. there is noconfig.xml on the celeron box.

[18:22:33]

iamlindoro:

So a cheaper show with near identical ratings got cut, and instead the world is subjected to eight thousand stargate series

[18:23:18]

sphery:

lay off the stargate negativity... Best series ever!

[18:23:33]

** iamlindoro looks at sphery quizzically **

[18:23:37]

iamlindoro:

You *must* be kidding

[18:23:43]

sphery:

no

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GreyFoxx:

I'm a huge fan of both series

[18:24:00]

GreyFoxx:

I've seen every episode of both at least 3 times

[18:24:00]

sphery:

I'm a bigger fan

[18:24:13]

sphery:

but not as active a fan, it seems :)

[18:24:22]

iamlindoro:

If you think it's better than Farscape, Firefly, Pushing Daisies, Lost, et al, we need to re-evaluate our relationship

[18:24:28]

iamlindoro:

sometimes I feel like I don't even know you any more

[18:24:31]

GreyFoxx:

I just finished rewatching farscape and am rewatching SG1 now :)

[18:24:37]

iamlindoro:

I'll be at my mother's!

[18:25:03]

GreyFoxx:

Lost has well... dragged on too long. I still watch and will next season but I want answers and closing of story lines :)

[18:25:15]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Which is just what you shall get

[18:25:21]

GreyFoxx:

pushing daisies was really good. Sad to see it go

[18:25:26]

sphery:

iamlindoro: sorry, but I can't change who I am

[18:25:26]

dustybin:

did you guys used to watch Twin Peeks

[18:25:45]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I'm hurt

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GreyFoxx:

dustybin: back in the day yeah. Messed up final episode

[18:25:57]

GreyFoxx:

you guys need counciling?

[18:26:01]

dustybin:

haha yeah, was that the one with the toothpaste

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dustybin:

'hows annie, hows annie..'

[18:26:58]

dustybin:

[you guys can continue now]

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Coded1:

I'm at my first stages (research) of putting together a HTPC system. I'm fine with building it myself but from other linux based projects I know it will work as long as I get the right hardware ;) I'm first looking for a case (HTPC stryle) that has a led and front ports that will actually work with myth any suggestions ?

[18:28:33]

Coded1:

as well as volume knob

[18:28:56]

Coded1:

is there a page that shows compatible cases with myth?

[18:29:21]

SHADOW_V:

uh

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SHADOW_V:

mythtv wiki?

[18:29:38]

** iamlindoro ponders the notion of Myth Case Compatibility **

[18:29:46]

iamlindoro:

anyway, Antec Fusion Black, next question?

[18:29:47]

GreyFoxx:

I'm confused.... compatible case?

[18:29:56]

GreyFoxx:

any old PC case will do

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XLV:

compatible VFD

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** AndyCap only buys cases from MythTV Certified vendors list **

[18:30:08]

GreyFoxx:

It's the components where you need to check for drivers

[18:30:12]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

[18:30:12]

SHADOW_V:

if its not compatible mythtv will seg fault DUH

[18:30:18]

dustybin:

Coded1: the first question is, will your box be the backend/frontend combination box?

[18:30:21]

Coded1:

compatibilty with the lcd display on the front :)

[18:30:25]

XLV:

how about those usb imon? they look nice, do they work?

[18:30:26]

GreyFoxx:

Gotcha

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** iamlindoro points at his above answer **

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sphery:

Wow. I put together some panoramic photos (using hugin) of my recent vacation to WA/OR and then stuck 3 of them into a single image perfectly-scaled for printing at 16"x20" and got it printed for free (instead of $14.99) with Kodak Gallery's special. It turned out great. Now just need to get out the razor blade and straight edge.

[18:30:52]

sphery:

put together to get 3 for the price of 1

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Coded1:

it will likely be a 'beefy' box, BluRay + quad core + decent vid card

[18:31:17]

dustybin:

would the new mac mini with the nvidia 9400 chip make a perfect mythtv .22 frontend box?

[18:31:23]

iamlindoro:

Hope you realize the realities of blu ray in linux

[18:31:28]

iamlindoro:

notably the lack thereof

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Coded1:

how bad is it?

[18:31:38]

GreyFoxx:

very

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Coded1:

ouch

[18:31:49]

iamlindoro:

You can rip the disks in windows and play the raw video files with new enough myth

[18:31:50]

XLV:

Coded1, http://venky.ws/projects/imon/

[18:31:58]

Coded1:

how about ripping the blu ray and re-encoding?

[18:32:07]

iamlindoro:

No menus, no decryption, no special features whatsoever in linux

[18:32:11]

XLV:

Coded1, so i would recommend you a silverstone lc20 with the vfd ( which is an Imon )

[18:32:16]

iamlindoro:

Coded1: Windows only

[18:32:39]

iamlindoro:

The *only* part of a blu ray you can play is a raw video file which you have first ripped in windows

[18:32:49]

Coded1:

is the linux project getting any 'love' ?

[18:32:57]

Coded1:

does it look like its being worked on?

[18:32:58]

iamlindoro:

Linux what project?

[18:33:05]

Coded1:

bluray :)

[18:33:13]

iamlindoro:

There are efforts to create an open source lib, but thy are very very early

[18:33:20]

XLV:

Coded1, roomy, relatively cheap, trapdoor for the optical

[18:33:40]

iamlindoro:

we are nowhre near being able to do it, probably several years out before you can *start* to think about building Blu ray into linux programs

[18:33:44]

sphery:

"very early" meaning when it's ready, you won't need a beefy box to play it back :)

[18:34:14]

AndyCap:

hehe. and no creative BXR cards in sight

[18:34:23]

sphery:

DXR, right?

[18:34:30]

iamlindoro:

hink he's making a pun

[18:34:33]

iamlindoro:

re: Blu

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sphery:

oh, for Blu-Ray

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Coded1:

sphery, hopefully in the next year we get some real support from ATI/AMD / Nvidia

[18:35:02]

GreyFoxx:

It's not about decoding the video

[18:35:10]

GreyFoxx:

It's about decryption the content

[18:35:13]

iamlindoro:

And we already have hardware decode from nvidia

[18:35:23]

AndyCap:

and parsing the blueray extra stuff.

[18:35:35]

iamlindoro:

You can play the *content* easily, you just can't get at it, or use the extras

[18:35:38]

AndyCap:

took a while for dvdnav to get up to snuff

[18:35:40]

GreyFoxx:

we can play/decode it now. menu stuff aside the problem is on the fly decryption

[18:36:04]

AndyCap:

assuming nobody authors advanced mode discs

[18:36:04]

GreyFoxx:

we need a lib-bluray equivalent of libdvdcss :)

[18:36:23]

Coded1:

GreyFoxx, we can decode ... bluray?

[18:36:36]

iamlindoro:

Coded1: Yes

[18:36:47]

iamlindoro:

decode = interpret the compressed video and audio

[18:36:48]

sphery:

decode != decrypt

[18:36:51]

iamlindoro:

decrypt = remove encryption

[18:36:56]

Coded1:

ahhh

[18:37:06]

dustybin:

does VDPAU require 512MB of video ram ?

[18:37:12]

Coded1:

so basically we have the codec to view decrypted content

[18:37:28]

GreyFoxx:

dustybin: I've heard reports of people using 256, personally I've only used 512

[18:37:34]

GreyFoxx:

Coded1: Pretty much

[18:37:38]

iamlindoro:

As mentioned several times in several ways, yes

[18:37:39]

dustybin:

aye ok

[18:37:48]

GreyFoxx:

with some audio glitches, but mostly there

[18:38:02]

GreyFoxx:

it's live decryption that is the problem

[18:38:11]

Coded1:

i guess running a decypter under wine is a lost hope eh :)

[18:38:16]

GreyFoxx:

cause ripping to disk anytime you want to watch one is no fun

[18:38:24]

GreyFoxx:

Coded1: If you are ripping it would work

[18:38:25]

iamlindoro:

Coded1: Not possible. Will work in a VM however

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iamlindoro:

nope, AnyDVD won't work in WINE

[18:38:42]

GreyFoxx:

but if I rent a BR disk from blockbuster I don't wanna waste the time ripping before I can play :)

[18:38:49]

iamlindoro:

VMWare/Virtualbox will, though

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Coded1:

I was guessing that if I could start ripping the content I could make that my buffer and read the file via myth(no Fast forward I would guess though)

[18:40:05]

XLV:

iamlindoro, xen on a VT enabled cpu? that can run windows just fine

[18:40:09]

GreyFoxx:

just put the ripped video under mythvideo

[18:40:13]

GreyFoxx:

and play like a normal video

[18:40:30]

GreyFoxx:

don'y go trying to trick myth into thinking it's a tv recording or something

[18:40:30]

iamlindoro:

XLV: Haven't personally tested that scenario, have personally tested all of the above

[18:40:50]

iamlindoro:

XLV: So yeah, might be fine that way

[18:41:06]

iamlindoro:

Might fail utterly :)

[18:41:23]

Coded1:

GreyFoxx, I guess im just getting too complicated right now but my idea was to use a windows vm to decrypt the file to a linux partition then use that to play under myth

[18:41:35]

AndyCap:

Hmm, seems there are tools that do the dirty under linux

[18:42:20]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap: As previously mentioned, they are in absolute infancy and for most/all current blu ray disks, useless

[18:43:03]

AndyCap:

hmm, now If only I had a drive.

[18:43:04]

iamlindoro:

They'll work for some/many AACS only disks, and will work on a *couple* BD+ enabled disks, but the lion's share of the content is unrippable with DumpHD/bdplus

[18:43:33]

Coded1:

I was also thinking about a digital / HD (1080i) sattelite feed anyone have it going ?

[18:44:18]

iamlindoro:

Since you appear to be in Canada, that won't be possible

[18:44:33]

AndyCap:

you'd need a card and a CAM.

[18:44:49]

Coded1:

Blame Canada!

[18:44:52]

Coded1:

lol

[18:45:00]

AndyCap:

or something unencrypted that's worth your time to watch. :P

[18:45:17]

Coded1:

those damn cannuks

[18:46:11]

Coded1:

maybe I'll just settle for a computer that will make beer and pemeal bacon sandwiches

[18:46:15]

Coded1:

;)

[18:46:41]

AndyCap:

http://www.beermachine.com/

[18:46:49]

Coded1:

but does it run linux?

[18:46:52]

AndyCap:

dunno about the bazonz.

[18:47:11]

Coded1:

half way there though

[18:47:34]

Coded1:

I'll open up a project on source forge for the bacon

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iamlindoro:

AndyCap: CAMs being unavailable in North America

[18:50:23]

** sphery wonders if MythPhone feature requests should be removed from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Feature_Wishlist_(Plugin_Addons) **

[18:50:33]

iamlindoro:

Do it!

[18:50:42]

sphery:

or at least a comment that MythPhone is dead. (Long live MythPhone!) be added

[18:51:25]

SHADOW_V:

a recording lost the seek table what mythtv program rebuilds the seek table

[18:51:57]

iamlindoro:

mythcommflag

[18:52:06]

SHADOW_V:

ah ok thanks

[18:52:11]

SHADOW_V:

coudlnt remember what did it

[18:52:18]

iamlindoro:

mythtranscode, too

[18:52:35]

sphery:

SHADOW_V: though if it's MPEG-2, you'll need to use mythtranscode, unless you're running trunk

[18:52:41]

iamlindoro:

I tend to use mythtranscode --buildindex -c chanum -s starttime

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sphery:

SHADOW_V: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable

[18:53:14]

sphery:

but actually read it rather than just use what comes first on there :)

[18:53:16]

SHADOW_V:

thank you good sir

[18:53:54]

sphery:

(not a comment at you, but at the tons of other people to whom I've linked that page who try mythcommflag, then it doesn't work, then they make me explain all the details that are already explained in the page)

[18:54:55]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I don't know what you mean, that page already shows no more mythphone

[18:55:00]

iamlindoro:

Stop drinking at work

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XLV:

iamlindoro, http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=119099&postcount=65 do you think it could work?

[18:58:50]

iamlindoro:

XLV: Since you need to have already ripped the disk to make that work, why bother with the acrobatics?

[18:59:13]

SHADOW_V:

stay in shape just incase zombies come

[18:59:52]

iamlindoro:

You still have to rip the disk, and still can't play menus or special features, so might as well just do it right once :)

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Coded1:

iamlindoro, from that post it looks like anydvd will work provided you aren't copying from the drive directly, so if I '#dd if=/dev/bluray of=/dir/file' then use anydvd + wine to decrypt it, it might work?

[19:02:53]

iamlindoro:

I think I already just responded to that

[19:02:59]

iamlindoro:

"iamlindoro: You still have to rip the disk, and still can't play menus or special features, so might as well just do it right once :)"

[19:02:59]

GreyFoxx:

Coded1: I think most run it in a VM

[19:03:14]

GreyFoxx:

you could always write it out to a file share which is actually on the mythbox

[19:03:37]

iamlindoro:

Which is what I do :)

[19:04:16]

Coded1:

GreyFoxx, the only problem I could see with that is if I want it automated wouldn't the vm/Win32/64 fight with linux for control over the drive?

[19:04:33]

Coded1:

I would need the vm/windows for Bluray but not dvd's

[19:04:48]

GreyFoxx:

How would it fight for it?

[19:05:48]

iamlindoro:

I want to know why we're looking to try worse ways to do something

[19:05:56]

GreyFoxx:

Letting a VM directly access a drive wont give it exclusive access to it

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iamlindoro:

"Hey, you know what would be even MORE screwed up??"

[19:06:22]

GreyFoxx:

For example on my work desktop here I havea WinXP VM which has direct access to my DVDRom.

[19:06:31]

GreyFoxx:

but that doesn't stop me from accessing it via the linux host

[19:06:32]

Coded1:

lol

[19:06:52]

Coded1:

i guess I'm getting over my head right now

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: your desktop is windows xp?

[19:07:50]

GreyFoxx:

dustybin: No, my desktop is a slackware box, but I have a WinXP VM running in VMware

[19:08:02]

GreyFoxx:

I also have multiple other linux/OpenBSD VM's

[19:08:10]

dustybin:

ohhhh

[19:08:23]

GreyFoxx:

My desktop is a busy machine :)

[19:08:29]

dustybin:

GreyFoxx: would it be better for you to build another vmware esxi box for all your testing

[19:08:36]

GreyFoxx:

nah

[19:08:53]

GreyFoxx:

much more convienient to have it all right here under my finger tips, literally

[19:08:59]

SHADOW_V:

where do i find chanid

[19:09:10]

dustybin:

i have vmware fusion running windows xp on this os x desktop, i can flip fullscreen to it using os x desktop spaces

[19:09:39]

SHADOW_V:

dustybin, i had something similar on my linux desktop

[19:09:44]

dustybin:

aye ok

[19:09:58]

dustybin:

now this is what you call 'cool'

[19:10:04]

dustybin:

Snow Leopard takes up less than half the disk space of the previous version, freeing about 6GB for you — enough for about 1,500 more songs or a few thousand more photos.3

[19:10:11]

SHADOW_V:

yup

[19:10:12]

iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V: The first four digits of the file

[19:10:13]

Coded1:

what do you guys prefer xen/vmware/virtualbox?

[19:10:21]

GreyFoxx:

vmware

[19:10:24]

iamlindoro:

Depends on what for

[19:10:27]

dustybin:

vmware are the creators

[19:10:29]

Coded1:

really?

[19:10:33]

GreyFoxx:

hell yeah

[19:10:34]

SHADOW_V:

iamlindoro, but i dont know it

[19:10:40]

iamlindoro:

If you need USB access, VMWare, if you just need AnyDVD, Virtualbox

[19:10:55]

SHADOW_V:

iamlindoro, virtualbox will do usb access

[19:11:01]

Coded1:

xen = the suxors ?

[19:11:02]

iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V: Not the free version

[19:11:15]

SHADOW_V:

yeah i have gotten it working

[19:11:17]

dustybin:

GreyFoxx: are you running gnome with slackware?

[19:11:19]

iamlindoro:

Not passthrough

[19:11:19]

SHADOW_V:

just cant be the ose version

[19:11:25]

iamlindoro:

Exactly

[19:11:37]

iamlindoro:

think I just freaking said that

[19:11:39]

GreyFoxx:

dustybin: no, slackware dropped official gnome, and to be honest I never liked it anyway

[19:11:50]

GreyFoxx:

my WM is xfce, previously I use to use IceWM

[19:12:01]

dustybin:

yep xfce is nice, my favourite

[19:12:02]

SHADOW_V:

virtual box is free though virtual box and ose are 2 different things

[19:12:07]

SHADOW_V:

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

[19:12:10]

highzeth:

Coded1: OpenVZ & Xen.. in that order =)

[19:12:16]

iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V: No, you misunderstand what free means

[19:12:21]

SHADOW_V:

oh

[19:12:22]

iamlindoro:

OSE = Open Source Edition

[19:12:25]

SHADOW_V:

right

[19:12:27]

SHADOW_V:

i gotcha

[19:12:30]

SHADOW_V:

yeah my mistake

[19:12:32]

dustybin:

linux is 3 distributions, redhat, debian and slackware

[19:12:41]

** iamlindoro blinks **

[19:12:46]

iamlindoro:

Uhhhh

[19:12:48]

iamlindoro:

no

[19:12:49]

Coded1:

gentoo?

[19:12:56]

dustybin:

forget the rest

[19:13:01]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[19:13:10]

GreyFoxx:

that was true a long time ago

[19:13:11]

iamlindoro:

ignore all advice given by dustybin is rule one

[19:13:12]

GreyFoxx:

but not anymore

[19:13:24]

SHADOW_V:

gotta bust out the ol time line

[19:13:26]

SHADOW_V:

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/wp-content/uplo . . . line-7.2.png

[19:13:33]

** J-e-f-f-A runs Fedora... ;-) **

[19:13:36]

dustybin:

read this: http://futurist.se/gldt/gldt93.png

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GreyFoxx:

ahh ok, you mean the originators from which all others came

[19:14:26]

GreyFoxx:

then yeah

[19:14:29]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: Except that's *wrong* and omits dozens (if not more) base distros

[19:14:37]

dustybin:

i use debian on for home server / multimedia boxes, centos is used on my VPS, all i need now is a slackware install

[19:14:54]

iamlindoro:

Something using apt or RPM does not mean it's derived from Red Hat or Debian

[19:14:56]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: the rest are copy cats, always stick with the orginators

[19:15:22]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: Do you remember the talks we used to have about how obnoxious it is when you present your uninformed opinion as fact?

[19:15:27]

iamlindoro:

And how actively harmful it is?

[19:15:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

SHADOW_V: holy bleep... ;-) That's a huge tree!

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dustybin:

yes :(

[19:15:41]

tmkt:

hello people

[19:15:44]

SHADOW_V:

heh

[19:15:45]

tmkt:

when using the channel guide

[19:15:49]

tmkt:

how do you go to the show?

[19:15:51]

iamlindoro:

So unless you'd like to return to the dark ages of my making comment every time you open your mouth, DON'T DO THAT

[19:16:02]

dustybin:

ok :(

[19:16:09]

tmkt:

when I hit OK it brings up show info..recording options

[19:16:12]

iamlindoro:

tmkt: Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Setting->Program Guide

[19:16:24]

tmkt:

I mean..I'm watching a channel

[19:16:27]

tmkt:

I get to the program guide

[19:16:29]

iamlindoro:

On one of the first two pages, there's an option called (more or less) "Use select to change channel"

[19:16:36]

tmkt:

ah

[19:16:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

tmiw: ^^ exactly as iamlindoro says... ;-)

[19:16:45]

iamlindoro:

and be more patient in IRC

[19:16:56]

iamlindoro:

answers often come in multiple lines ;)

[19:17:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

SHADOW_V: hey.. that timeline stops at early 2007... ;-)

[19:18:28]

SHADOW_V:

yeah i think the dustybin timeline was better

[19:18:41]

iamlindoro:

If by better, you mean "more wrong"

[19:18:52]

tmkt:

ok..that works

[19:18:52]

SHADOW_V:

so mine is less wrong

[19:19:03]

tmkt:

now how do I get to the record options

[19:19:17]

iamlindoro:

It at least more accurately depicts what other from-scratch distros exist

[19:19:21]

XLV:

fork the forks

[19:19:45]

iamlindoro:

tmkt: You read the everyday use section of the manual

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GreyFoxx:

It doesn't show the fromscratch distro a buddy and I did

[19:20:07]

XLV:

GreyFoxx, yeah.. inaccurate

[19:20:08]

GreyFoxx:

but then since we were the only ones to ever use it ...

[19:20:09]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[19:20:11]

kormoc:

nor kormux

[19:20:11]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Sure it does, "LinuxFromScratch"

[19:20:17]

tmkt:

yeah...just spent a week fighting with the harder stuff, like getting my video card to work properly

[19:20:19]

iamlindoro:

LFS again!

[19:20:22]

GreyFoxx:

no, we didn't use linux from scratch :)

[19:20:35]

GreyFoxx:

I mean, made from the base ingredients, not follow a howto :)

[19:20:37]

iamlindoro:

and what about iamlindebian?

[19:20:48]

kormoc:

post it on distro watch!

[19:21:04]

SHADOW_V:

ill install it

[19:21:04]

iamlindoro:

or SpherSE?

[19:21:16]

iamlindoro:

dyne:bolic always sounds like a porn company to me

[19:21:23]

kormoc:

OS Kormoc!

[19:21:42]

iamlindoro:

OS/Kormoc Warp

[19:22:51]

SHADOW_V:

besides filename how can i find chanid

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iamlindoro:

in the recorded table

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SHADOW_V:

on the db?

[19:23:14]

iamlindoro:

no, in your kitchen

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SHADOW_V:

which drawer

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iamlindoro:

top drawer, under the cockroaches

[19:23:52]

SHADOW_V:

sorry sir no cockroaches my drawers are clean

[19:23:56]

iamlindoro:

but above the four year old box of Juicy fruit your mom thought everyone would love

[19:24:19]

iamlindoro:

No, the other drawer, near the sink

[19:24:22]

iamlindoro:

left

[19:24:27]

iamlindoro:

LEFT

[19:24:31]

iamlindoro:

your other LEFT

[19:24:37]

iamlindoro:

yes, that on

[19:24:38]

iamlindoro:

one

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SHADOW_V:

yeah but

[19:24:49]

SHADOW_V:

thats where the pot holders are

[19:25:18]

SHADOW_V:

also the drawer behind that one has my drawer server box

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iamlindoro:

You're hopeless

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SHADOW_V:

:(

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new2linx:

sphery, i just set up the sbe. when I exit mythtv-setup, it asks me if I want to run mythfilldatabase. I click no because i read somewhere that I don't want to run that on a slave. but when in mythfrontend, the other 2 tuners from the PVR-500 aren't there? What gives?

[19:45:31]

SHADOW_V:

as a side note firewire seems to be working on its own

[19:45:53]

new2linx:

and yes, I have read all the docs about setting up a slave backend

[19:46:04]

kormoc:

lies

[19:46:18]

kormoc:

There's more docs then you can possibly imagine!

[19:46:57]

iamlindoro:

Also, don't single people out with your questions just because you notice them being helpful

[19:47:03]

iamlindoro:

it's a quick way to make them not helpful

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cityLights1:

sphery?

[19:48:12]

SHADOW_V:

in the recordings directory how can i figure out which video is which does the program id have anything to do with it

[19:48:25]

new2linx:

iamlindoro, sorry. i guess i'll keep trying to struggle a couple more hours through it.

[19:48:31]

cityLights1:

I am tring to add the pda transcode .pl script as job #4

[19:48:55]

cityLights1:

I ran the --install-job and the name changed to pda transcode from job #4

[19:48:57]

iamlindoro:

new2linx: It's likely that in mythtv-setup on the SBE, you have the wrong address set for "Master Backend" in general

[19:49:06]

cityLights1:

yet the command is empty

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iamlindoro:

new2linx: After you have all the settings double checked, resart *both* backends

[19:49:17]

cityLights1:

what do I need to put there for it to work?

[19:49:54]

cityLights1:

iamlindoro: can yu help me regarding the job #4 issue?

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iamlindoro:

Had no idea what "--install-job" means

[19:50:38]

iamlindoro:

er have

[19:50:59]

iamlindoro:

Also have no idea what "the command is empty" means

[19:51:26]

new2linx:

iamlindoro, nope. it's correct. it's 192.168.0.3 which is my mbe. i ran mythfilldatabase on the mbe after I mythtv-setup on the sbe and then i restarted both backends. i'll keep trying i guess.

[19:51:47]

cityLights1:

I mean that when I run mythtv-setup I go in to the general , there next until I get to the jobs meanu

[19:51:47]

iamlindoro:

Adding user jobs involves running mythtv-setup on the backend you want them to run on, going through general, ticking the checkbox that says "Allow User Job #whatever on this backend" and inserting the name and command a few pages later

[19:52:13]

iamlindoro:

new2linx: What is it you think mythfilldatabase does?

[19:52:26]

cityLights1:

right I ticked the allow, and double checked it last night after asking you

[19:52:44]

new2linx:

iamlindoro, populates the database with my recording schedules and other database stuff

[19:52:46]

cityLights1:

the command job #4 is to run is an empty line

[19:52:53]

iamlindoro:

new2linx: nope

[19:53:03]

iamlindoro:

The only thing mythfilldatabase does is download listings

[19:53:15]

iamlindoro:

it's never necessary unless you need to do just that

[19:53:33]

iamlindoro:

cityLights1: So input the command there

[19:53:44]

iamlindoro:

and any necessary arguments

[19:54:13]

cityLights1:

right , I run /usr/local/bin/pdatranscode.pl --install-job-name

[19:54:30]

cityLights1:

and it did change the name to "PDA Transcode"

[19:54:54]

iamlindoro:

uhh, user jobs don't install themselves

[19:54:58]

cityLights1:

when I run pdatranscode.pl from the shell I need to add

[19:55:10]

cityLights1:

--file 1704_20090612003000.nuv

[19:55:15]

iamlindoro:

you need to input the command as you would like it to run on a given recording

[19:55:20]

cityLights1:

how can I do this in the setup screen?

[19:55:31]

cityLights1:

/usr/local/bin/pdatranscode.pl --file 1704_20090612003000.nuv

[19:55:34]

iamlindoro:

read the user job page, input all necessary variable names

[19:55:42]

cityLights1:

is there a %file% argument?

[19:55:54]

iamlindoro:

have you been to the user job wiki page?

[19:56:09]

cityLights1:

let me check myself

[19:56:15]

iamlindoro:

yes, check yourself

[19:56:47]

cityLights1:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . tion_Backend

[19:57:07]

cityLights1:

but you mean I c http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Jobs

[19:57:09]

cityLights1:

ok

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cityLights1:

thanks

[20:03:41]

SHADOW_V:

ls

[20:04:30]

cityLights1:

now here is this issue: when I record from certain three channels I get no audio

[20:04:45]

cityLights1:

I can hear them , when in live-tv

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cityLights1:

I am using a frame buffer which has a sound device on it /dev/dsp1

[20:05:35]

cityLights1:

how should I check to see what is wrong?

[20:05:39]

SHADOW_V:

well

[20:05:48]

jpabq:

iamlindoro: did you buy a second HD-PVR? Or, are you just going without for three weeks?

[20:05:54]

SHADOW_V:

if you have 3 frame grabbers going to the same sound device

[20:05:59]

SHADOW_V:

that could be the issue

[20:06:03]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: I still haven't heard from Hauppauge :(

[20:06:10]

iamlindoro:

I'll likely tough out the couple weeks

[20:06:23]

cityLights1:

no I got only one card and one backend

[20:06:49]

SHADOW_V:

iamlindoro, gl through your treturs time

[20:07:01]

iamlindoro:

english?

[20:07:15]

squish102:

is there an easy way to rebuild all the stuff based on all the recordings? stuff= indexes

[20:07:30]

cityLights1:

I thought I can run sox to copy from /dev/dsp1 -> /dev/dsp and hear if audio is produced when th recording starts

[20:07:39]

SHADOW_V:

i wish you good luck through your rough wait

[20:07:53]

iamlindoro:

ah

[20:08:07]

iamlindoro:

It's the least used of my tuners, but still important at the moment

[20:08:07]

cityLights1:

wish I had HD....

[20:08:15]

SHADOW_V:

yeah

[20:08:54]

cityLights1:

so, any idea why when I setup myth to record from ch A then from ch B

[20:08:55]

SHADOW_V:

how can i tell which recording is which in the recordings directory i know the first 5 digits are the chan id then rest is the starting time

[20:09:07]

cityLights1:

I get audio from B and not from A?

[20:09:22]

cityLights1:

sure

[20:09:30]

cityLights1:

I can also tell by the ch logo

[20:09:38]

cityLights1:

I can hear all channels

[20:09:43]

cityLights1:

in live tv

[20:09:56]

cityLights1:

I want to report it if I can

[20:10:01]

cityLights1:

it is trunl

[20:10:06]

cityLights1:

I am using trunl

[20:10:09]

cityLights1:

trunk

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SHADOW_V:

why would you be using trunk

[20:10:30]

cityLights1:

20721

[20:10:44]

SHADOW_V:

there is no need to run trunk

[20:10:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

SHADOW_V: For matching up the recordings – have you looked at mythrename.pl ? Or is that not what you're looking for? (I use the --link option to create links for a media player)

[20:10:55]

cityLights1:

cause I have an ATI card, and there is an issue with 0.21 fixes

[20:11:23]

sphery:

iamlindoro: so it does... Guess I was just imagining things.

[20:11:32]

SHADOW_V:

J-e-f-f-A, no thats not what i am looking for sphery helped me out with that before i am just trying to rebuild the seek on a recording

[20:11:37]

cityLights1:

hi sphery!

[20:11:41]

iamlindoro:

sphery: hrm?

[20:12:02]

SHADOW_V:

cityLights1, its really ati drivers have the problem

[20:12:13]

cityLights1:

right shadow

[20:12:14]

sphery:

iamlindoro: MythPhone is gone

[20:12:20]

SHADOW_V:

also i would check updates you really shouldnt use trunk

[20:12:22]

cityLights1:

I just wanted it to work

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I changed it after ;)

[20:12:29]

iamlindoro:

was just teasing you

[20:12:31]

sphery:

yeah, I see that

[20:12:34]

sphery:

was playing along

[20:12:37]

iamlindoro:

ah, you knew that

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sphery:

sheesh

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iamlindoro:

stop making me seem dense!

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sphery:

cityLights1: which ati driver issue?

[20:13:35]

cityLights1:

so guys, how can I debug why recordings on a certain channel has no audio , while all is fine in live tv?

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cityLights1:

sphery: I asked about it here a few times. reported the trace

[20:14:43]

cityLights1:

figured I can't fix the modules, and went along to use trunk which work

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cityLights1:

no big deal as long as it workd

[20:15:19]

sphery:

isn't that the one that just requires you to set an environment variable to fix?

[20:15:41]

sphery:

the only Qt3-only ATI driver issues I know of are fixed with an env var

[20:16:03]

cityLights1:

maybe, but I have allready tried to change to 0.21 and it requires a db change and import of all recordings

[20:16:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

SHADOW_V: Are you trying to find a filename for a specific recording, or the other way around? Are you comfortable with mysql?

[20:16:29]

cityLights1:

also the encoding in mysql changed to utf-8 in trunk – which is better for me, a gentoo user

[20:17:02]

SHADOW_V:

i am trying to find a filename for a specific recording by comfortable i can do some stuff i wouldnt consider myself a master by any stretech i guess above novice

[20:17:08]

cityLights1:

also, I hope to contrib when reporting bugs

[20:17:31]

cityLights1:

like I found the bug in scanning using a frame buffer

[20:17:57]

cityLights1:

now I hope this audio issue is not a bug.... but it maybe is

[20:18:07]

iamlindoro:

It's not

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cityLights1:

so , what can I do to test/

[20:18:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

SHADOW_V: Ok, then something like this within mysql: select title,subtitle,basename from recorded where title like "24%" ;

[20:18:13]

iamlindoro:

and if it were, it would never be with myth

[20:18:23]

cityLights1:

hmm

[20:18:37]

iamlindoro:

since myth just accesses the driver API to do tuning

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J-e-f-f-A:

SHADOW_V: basename is the physical filename. ;-)

[20:19:00]

cityLights1:

wish I could set the audio level for each channel, as some channels are louder

[20:19:31]

cityLights1:

iamlindoro: ok , so how come other recording are fine?

[20:19:43]

cityLights1:

they use the same card

[20:19:46]

cityLights1:

odd

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iamlindoro:

cityLights1: Because your driver is only sometimes broken?

[20:20:22]

cityLights1:

its the saa7134

[20:20:29]

iamlindoro:

didn't ask

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iamlindoro:

For my money, dump the garbage card and get something reliable

[20:20:48]

cityLights1:

should I check the mailing list and just report this?

[20:21:01]

iamlindoro:

It's not a myth bug, so don't open a myth report

[20:21:12]

cityLights1:

is cost 50 euro!

[20:21:20]

iamlindoro:

checking the mailing list is presumably osmething one does *before* coming to IRC

[20:21:33]

iamlindoro:

cityLights1: If you paid 50 Euro for a framegrabber, you have been seriously cheated

[20:21:34]

cityLights1:

I ment a report at the saa mailing list

[20:21:51]

Dagmar:

Bullshit

[20:22:07]

Dagmar:

Regardless of what people *should* do, they come here first becasue they want answers NAO NAO NAO!

[20:22:21]

cityLights1:

ok, iamLindoro I will google the saa

[20:22:56]

Dagmar:

..although my favorite is when tehy decided based on the pretty words on the retail boxes that they need a framegrabber card because "it's teh best deel!" and then expect us to figure out everything about it

[20:23:04]

Dagmar:

Those people should be skinned alive.

[20:23:05]

cityLights1:

yet even that simple one line from iamLindoro , now regaring job #4 – made it work for me

[20:23:26]

Sigi:

is it possible to set videoscan standaard to prograsive?

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cityLights1:

also, dvb was NOT avail untill recently

[20:24:29]

cityLights1:

this card does have dvb-t.. which will be offered soon – I hope

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[20:24:37]

Dagmar:

Sig1: Where?

[20:25:04]

cityLights1:

Dagmar: how can I ask to add the volume feature?

[20:25:24]

Dagmar:

Using English.

[20:25:51]

cityLights1:

and also allow a skip while watching a recording with out the volume jumping to the preset in the frontend setup?

[20:25:55]

iamlindoro:

cityLights1: Myth doesn't really do feature requets

[20:25:56]

Sigi:

when i watch tv i most set videoscan every time to progressive, i want that as default

[20:25:59]

iamlindoro:

requests

[20:26:15]

iamlindoro:

cityLights1: Generally, if someone wants a new feature, they are expected to code it themselves, or pay someone to do so

[20:26:18]

cityLights1:

so I must hand in a patch?

[20:26:22]

iamlindoro:

yep

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cityLights1:

so I need to study myth?

[20:26:42]

cityLights1:

just to add this >

[20:26:43]

cityLights1:

?

[20:26:57]

iamlindoro:

yes

[20:26:58]

Dagmar:

ONOEZ IT R SO UNFAIR

[20:27:05]

cityLights1:

well I am a computer seince student

[20:27:07]

cityLights1:

1st year

[20:27:26]

iamlindoro:

It would be a good project for a computer science student who wanted some extra experience

[20:27:29]

cityLights1:

know some java... some avl trees..

[20:27:38]

cityLights1:

:-)

[20:27:55]

iamlindoro:

If you know basic logic and can think critically, you can add features to myth and fix bugs

[20:28:00]

cityLights1:

btw, I must find a way to earn $$ soon

[20:28:04]

iamlindoro:

no direct code knowledge is required to get started

[20:28:43]

cityLights1:

I have been followig the change list in trunk

[20:28:57]

cityLights1:

and look and patchs between versions

[20:28:57]

Dagmar:

If you can figure out WTF they're doing in the code and comment it correctly, you can probably win the Nobel

[20:29:13]

sphery:

if volume is jumping to the preset in the frontend setup when you skip, you don't have things set up correctly

[20:29:22]

cityLights1:

well, I will try to do that this weekend

[20:29:34]

cityLights1:

should be productive

[20:30:05]

cityLights1:

sphery, where to check it?

[20:30:26]

cityLights1:

in the forntend setup I set the volume to alsa and pcm device

[20:30:35]

cityLights1:

to 10%

[20:30:48]

sphery:

there are about 100 different settings involved in audio configuration for Myth

[20:30:49]

cityLights1:

and this what it changes when ever I hit the skip

[20:31:00]

sphery:

plus all of ALSA config

[20:31:07]

sphery:

so start with those :)

[20:31:08]

cityLights1:

no in the frontend setup

[20:31:26]

cityLights1:

what to check in alsa?

[20:32:11]

sphery:

really, there are tons of settings and I don't know which specifically is wrong

[20:32:19]

sphery:

but all I can say for sure is that is should not do that

[20:32:26]

cityLights1:

ok, my girl is asking me to close the pc and come to sleep

[20:32:27]

sphery:

(and doesn't for many people)

[20:33:35]

cityLights1:

so I hope you guys will be here tomorrow to help if I need when trying to add the volume per channel feature

[20:33:59]

cityLights1:

thanks sphery and iamlindoro

[20:34:06]

cityLights1:

take care

[20:35:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

"volume per channel feature" ? ... Humm....

[20:36:03]

sphery:

think he means set initial playback volume based on tuned channel

[20:36:11]

sphery:

(or, presumably, recorded channel)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, but that doesn't exist now, right? Jeepers, the volume can change per-program, nevermind per-channel...

[20:36:49]

sphery:

right, doesn't exist

[20:36:56]

iamlindoro:

Someone just finishing off normalization would be nice

[20:37:12]

iamlindoro:

ISTR someone did lots of work towards that ages ago

[20:37:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, didn't think so. ^^ humm... wish I had the time/know-how to do that.... ;-)

[20:37:18]

iamlindoro:

and then it just didn't get done

[20:37:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

I mean, I know *techically* how it's done, just not how to do it in code. :-(

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sphery:

I find that the volume button on my remote is /much/ easier than coding an "automatic" adjustment (that I wouldn't really trust, anyway)

[20:38:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Yes, agreed... ;-)

[20:38:08]

iamlindoro:

sphery: It *would* be helpful for live TV commercials, though

[20:38:21]

sphery:

what's this "live TV" you speak of?

[20:38:26]

iamlindoro:

yeah yeah

[20:38:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Did you just say "Live TV"? WOAH!!!

[20:38:29]

sphery:

and are commercials those things that I never see?

[20:38:55]

sphery:

All my TV is dead--just the way I like it.

[20:39:04]

iamlindoro:

I figure if gnome42 wants to put in the effort working to improve it, I can support it at least as far as considering how things might be improved by certain features

[20:39:38]

iamlindoro:

Besides, I quite often start a program as it records, and commercials are sometimes an unavoidable consequence

[20:40:05]

iamlindoro:

as either commercial flagging hasn't finished, or you start too early

[20:40:05]

squish102:

will "mythcommflagg -all" rebult all indexes and cutlists?

[20:40:16]

iamlindoro:

it *does* happen, even when doing things "properly"

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squish102:

doing a "mythcommflag -all" shows me lots of errors. is that normal?

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tmiw:

J-e-f-f-A: wait, what?

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squish102:

like "ac-tex damaged at 15 19" and "00 motion_type at 3 21" and "invalid mb type in B Frame at 5 16"

[20:43:36]

tmiw:

J-e-f-f-A: oh, you meant tmkt

[20:44:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

tmiw: Sorry... guess I didn't check the auto-complete that well... ;-)

[20:46:20]

iamlindoro:

squish102: That means your stream is broken, whether severely or mildly

[20:46:24]

iamlindoro:

usually due to poor signal

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Sigi:

is it posible to make progressive scan default ??

[20:48:41]

sphery:

squish102: --all is not designed to be used for rebuild, only for commercial flagging

[20:48:51]

sphery:

and mythcommflag has nothing to do with cutlists (only flag lists)

[20:49:18]

sphery:

and --all requires specific other args, as specified in --help

[20:50:48]

sphery:

and, yeah, like iamlindoro said, bad stream

[20:51:24]

sphery:

Sigi: nope... Myth always does automatic deinterlacing--i.e. if your video says that the frame is interlaced, myth deinterlaces

[20:51:50]

sphery:

Sigi: so, if your video is broken, fix it (i.e. report the issue to the broadcaster so they can do things right)

[20:52:04]

sphery:

and if it's content you've ripped, re-rip it right

[20:52:26]

Sigi:

sphery, you mean that my signal is poor?

[20:52:29]

sphery:

and if it's content from sources that I can't talk about here, don't use it

[20:52:40]

sphery:

Sigi: no, the video is incorrectly encoded

[20:53:37]

sphery:

if you're saying that you want Myth to never deinterlace, even for properly-interlaced/properly-described interlaced content, then just configure your playback profile with none for a deinterlacer

[20:54:03]

sphery:

though due to scaling and many other things, not deinterlacing interlaced content is generally a bad idea

[20:54:39]

Sigi:

those profiles, are they also for mythvideo ?

[20:54:48]

Sigi:

or only for tuner part

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iamlindoro:

They are for any time myth uses the Internal player for playback

[20:55:09]

iamlindoro:

so if you use the internal player with mythvideo, then yes

[20:55:16]

iamlindoro:

if you are using (as many do) mplayer, then no

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Sigi:

ok

[20:55:35]

iamlindoro:

If you don't know which you are using, then you are probably using mplayer in mythvideo

[20:55:42]

iamlindoro:

which you should switch to internal

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Sigi:

i think its set to iternal.

[20:56:23]

Sigi:

internal*

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iamlindoro:

Only if you manually did so yourself

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sphery:

I set mine to Infernal and it plays videos with a background of fire

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Now that's the kind of UI people will pay for

[20:59:56]

Sigi:

ok, and what video rendering is the best? opengl?

[21:00:02]

iamlindoro:

I set it to Eternal, but now it won't stop looping my video

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iamlindoro:

Sigi: Unless you know what you are doing and have a darn good reason for doing it, your playback profile should be "Slim"

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sphery:

iamlindoro: how I miss him--and the quality themes I thought he'd provide

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iamlindoro:

Alas

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Dagmar:

'leet' video rendering is best

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Dagmar:

Below that 'eleet', 'awesomesauce', and 'mp4' respectively

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sid3windr:

I would have thought OVER 9000 was bestest.

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SHADOW_V:

very sneaky comcast hiding some channels under hrc

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you don't know as much about frequency tables as you think you do.

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SHADOW_V:

never claimed i knew anything

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SHADOW_V:

but what did you mean

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Dagmar:

I mean I don't believe for a second that any Comcast francisee is "hiding" analog broadcast channels by using a different freqency table.

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SHADOW_V:

its not analog

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SHADOW_V:

its over qam

[21:35:01]

SHADOW_V:

a regular cable scan brought me all network shows except for nbc and abc

[21:35:06]

SHADOW_V:

those 2 where under cable hrx

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SHADOW_V:

hrc*

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SHADOW_V:

thats what i mean by hidding them

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SHADOW_V:

because compared the the majority of other channcels over regular cable less than 10 are on hrc

[21:36:18]

Dagmar:

The others are on?

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SHADOW_V:

qam265 104–1 where as the ones that where "hiding" where on 32 hrc-5

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SHADOW_V:

in the mythtv scanner its called cable and cable hrc

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SHADOW_V:

unless i am reading it wrong

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Dagmar:

So I was right hten

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SHADOW_V:

i was kidding though as to why they wouldnt just keep all of them under the same freeq table instaead of putting a select few on hrc

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Dagmar:

Because the frequency tables are much less special than you've been led to beliece.

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Dagmar:

s/beliece/believe/;

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SHADOW_V:

oh ok

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SHADOW_V:

so then freq table doesnt mean anything?

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SHADOW_V:

i should just scan everything

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Dagmar:

When the range is populated by analog broadcasts, ghosting and harmonics are things you eliminate by sticking with one of the frequency tables

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Dagmar:

Because ghosting of channel x which is broadcast at frequency y will happen at varying strengths at multiples of y/2 y/3 etc etc

[21:40:51]

Dagmar:

Digital channels are more tolerant, in that a bit more noise in the signal doesn't affect the overall quality so long as packets arrive

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SHADOW_V:

that happens over digital qam as well?

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SHADOW_V:

non of these are analog though

[21:41:09]

SHADOW_V:

its digital

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SHADOW_V:

but yes i get how freq table doesnt really mean that much

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Dagmar:

It basically far less important for a cable provider to have to worry about picking one table or the other with digital transmissions

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SHADOW_V:

so they do have reason to put the bulk of channels on regular qam256 and some are on hrc

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Dagmar:

They have to worry about what the equipment they're renting customers can pick up, and that's about ti

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SHADOW_V:

ah ok

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Dagmar:

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE MAN

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Dagmar:

They're ALL within the same patch of EM spectrum

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SHADOW_V:

ok

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Dagmar:

\The only difference is how far the center frequencies are spaced from one another

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Dagmar:

Thank back to that old AM radio your parents had in the car

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SHADOW_V:

yeah

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Dagmar:

Looking at it, those notches on the dial are IRC

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SHADOW_V:

idid not know that

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Dagmar:

Take a piece of tape, draw new notches slightly closer together. Put the tape over the old dial. Now you have HRC.

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SHADOW_V:

oh ok

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Dagmar:

Do the same thing again with evenly spaced markers all the way across, you have "standard"

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SHADOW_V:

so its more of a descripter for the spaces inbetween channel freq

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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SHADOW_V:

i gotcha now

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Dagmar:

Some of the freuencies are _very_ close together so it just isn't useful to scan all the freqs from all the tables

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SHADOW_V:

right

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Dagmar:

They're also basically not allowed to drift like analog transmissions do, so there's no need to fine tune "around" 76.874Mhz for example. Devices should tune to 76.874Mhz if that's the slot they're using, and equipment should broadcast from that frequency

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SHADOW_V:

yeah

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Dagmar:

If you scanned "all" the tables, you'd get a few hits for some channels under more than one table, and one of them would be subject to a lot of packet loss becasue it wouldn't be centered on the right freuency, merely close enough to get a partial signal

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Dagmar:

...plus it would take a lot longer

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SHADOW_V:

oh ok that explains what some of my scans brought up

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Dagmar:

Now you know more than you did hours ago. :)

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SHADOW_V:

yes i do

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SHADOW_V:

thank you Dagmar

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Dagmar:

No problem

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squish102:

"mythtranscode --mpeg2 -v 2 --buildindex --allkeys --showprogress -c 2118 -s 2009-01–11T20:19:00" does this look like a good idea to run on some videos to try fix some corruption?

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Dagmar:

squish102: Transcoding is unlikely to fix file corruption

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Dagmar:

Best you can do is just hope that the transcoder can guess it's way through the mangled parts

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iamlindoro:

squish102: A seektable rebuild will do nothing to fix corruption

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iamlindoro:

d'oh, too slow

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squish102:

ok thanks, i have quite a few recordings that may be corrupt

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squish102:

or i seem to have problems putting them onto dvd

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iamlindoro:

Your average ATSC/QAM recording is not anywhere near DVD format

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iamlindoro:

aside from sharing codecs in common

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squish102:

ok thanks

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iamlindoro:

They're in the wrong container format, and frequently don't meet the DVD bitrate specifications either

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sphery:

and don't have DVD nav packets :)

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sphery:

kormoc: there are several places in MythWeb Videos section where you make a URI: <a href="http://www.imdb.com/Title?'.$this->inetref.'"> . Does that even work? I'm getting a not found when I use it. Seems that now it should be <a href="http://www.imdb.com/Title/'.$this->inetref.'"> (where instead of a GET param, it uses a "virtual directory")

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sphery:

kormoc: can I just replace it with the tmdb equivalent?

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kormoc:

Sure, works for me, as we're dropping the imdb grabber anyway

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sphery:

Not even sure where that's used in the UI, though.

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sphery:

yeah, this returns a link for browsing to the IMDb page

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sphery:

so not using the grabber

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kormoc:

well, there's no sense in browsing to a page you don't grab data from imho

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sphery:

Do you know where they come into play? It's in classes/Video.php and modules/video/handler.php (makeImdbWebUrl()) and modules/video/tmpl/default/video.php (makeImdbWebUrl())

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kormoc:

no idea actually

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kormoc:

ooh!

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sphery:

ah, wait... I'm looking at a 0.21-fixes MythWeb right now. Probably not in there.

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kormoc:

when you search the grabber and get multiple results, we give a list with links there

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

I see it now

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sphery:

heh, now it's redirecting to the properly-formatted URI

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sphery:

iamlindoro: you wouldn't happen to know of a way of going directly to a movie in themoviedb.org by using an imdb inetref, would you? :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Nope

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iamlindoro:

Need to go through the API's IMDBnum search first AFAIK

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sphery:

kormoc: I think I'll leave the video portion there until we work out the using imdb inetref stuff...

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kormoc:

rgr

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sphery:

and, btw, is #6639 really a bug? Isn't it a feature request without patch? (or didn't you and/or xris fix that not long ago in trunk)?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, trunk has a link to fix it on all pages

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iamlindoro:

Invarrid!

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sphery:

plus I thought they improved it/made it so that it would auto-revert back when mobile devices aren't detected

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kormoc:

Right, it's fixed in -trunk

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kormoc:

BELETED!

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iamlindoro:

Buuhhhhhleeted

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iamlindoro:

Heh, someone attached their entire settings table to a ticket

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iamlindoro:

Probably some fun info in there

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kormoc:

whee!

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iamlindoro:

The standard security pin of 0000, heh

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sphery:

actually that's the disable security pin pin

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sphery:

default is unset

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iamlindoro:

sphery: What I mean is it's the one the average user chooses to use

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sphery:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

I know it's the disable pin

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sphery:

do most myth distros preconfigure that?

[22:16:53]

iamlindoro:

Probably

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iamlindoro:

Someone ran that retarded auto-parental SQL query on this DB too...

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iamlindoro:

so we know they've been mucking about in the DB

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iamlindoro:

yay, the fun things you can learn

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sphery:

Submission rejected as potential spam (Maximum number of external links per post exceeded)

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sphery:

arghh!

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sphery:

kormoc: sorry about the gzip'ed patch. Trac spam filter (too many external URI's in patch)

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kormoc:

heh, no worries

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michthom:

Hi folks. Mythbuntu 9.04, weekly trunk build, PVR350 analogue tuner. I can tune with ivtv-tune and record video off the /dev/video0 device. Problem in mythtv-setup – it hangs in the channel scan at the first frequency it tries. Any ideas what I can do?

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Dagmar:

Read the documentation so you'll know you don't scan for channels with NTSC tuners

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michthom:

It's a PAL tuner – UK based.

[22:31:04]

Dagmar:

You also might consider not running trunk anymore.

[22:31:08]

Dagmar:

Doesn't matter.

[22:31:24]

Dagmar:

Those cards can't detect signal strength. Scanning with them is useless.

[22:31:30]

Dagmar:

Read the documentation.

[22:31:51]

Dagmar:

If you're the type of person who doens't read docs you REALLY don't want to run trunk.

[22:32:02]

Dagmar:

You might as well just chuck the computer out the window and spend a week in a coma.

[22:32:07]

Dagmar:

Your time would be better spent.

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michthom:

Thanks Dagmar. Problem is my production system is DVB-T. I'd forgotten about the analogue stuff.

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TUplink:

and i exit mytharchive and it will keep going till its done?

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michthom:

Thanks again Dagmar – all sorted now.

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iamlindoro___:

sphery, Can you link me to that retarded thread that I've never needed to date to set up encoders in such a way that consecutive liveTV sessions don't get locked into the one multiplex?

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Dagmar:

hehe

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** iamlindoro___ grumbles about consulting **

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sphery:

iamlindoro___: what is this "liveTV" of which you speak?

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iamlindoro___:

It's the thing the guy paying me expects to make me work, and I don't know anything about :)

[23:40:47]

iamlindoro___:

er expects me to

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sphery:

iamlindoro___: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/369358#369358

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iamlindoro___:

thanks

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squish102:

can i ask a dumb question, in archive files -> create dvd, how do i remove recordings from the selection if I added by mistake?

[23:42:03]

iamlindoro___:

sphery, And thanks for not saying "And read the whole thread!!!"

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iamlindoro___:

;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro___: basically, Delete all capture cards, then create capture card, connect most-preferred input /and/ set it to 1 max recording, then connect 2nd most-preferred input (on 2nd card) with 1 max, then 3rd... Then go to first and increase to 2 max, then second to 2 max, then... then go to first to 3 max...

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iamlindoro___:

yeah, makes sense, thanks

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sphery:

you can create all capture cards at once

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iamlindoro___:

sure

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squish102:

it only has 'add recording' 'add video' and 'add file', and I cannot seem to find a screen or place to remove anything

[23:42:43]

sphery:

just connect inputs and make only one virtual tuner at a time

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iamlindoro___:

only one multirec card, but it's the first, so should be a quick fix

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sphery:

squish102: just a guess, but D?

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squish102:

i tried that :(

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sphery:

if not, there's a single post from about 2 1/2 years ago where Paul explained how to do it :)

[23:43:37]

** sphery doesn't feel like looking that one up **

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squish102:

i checked the manual and it didnt help, but i will use Paul in the google

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squish102:

it is the wierdest problem...

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