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Wednesday, June 10th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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sphery:

and, I'm 99.9999% positive that it is the reason that when my system is under load, X events occur out of order--i.e. I type "guess" and the app gets "guses" or whatever)

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darkdrgn2k:

arg how do i turn on tcp in mysql again?

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darkdrgn2k:

whats the line in my.cnjf

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sphery:

#skip-networking

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm dam not set

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clever:

sphery: i think the keyboard is more of a stream based 'file'

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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darkdrgn2k:

nm :)

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clever:

ive never seen any signs that keys can arrive out of order, but i often loose the 'ctrl key up' message, and then i cant click a damn thing and have to ctrl+alt+backspace

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darkdrgn2k:

lol forgot the qt ..

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darkdrgn2k:

arg

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darkdrgn2k:

why would i be getting

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darkdrgn2k:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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darkdrgn2k:

oo man i hate capitalization..

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** darkdrgn2k retracts all his quetsions **

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Mozz:

oh nice, i did pacman -R qt3-enhanced && pacman -S qt3

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Mozz:

kdemod seems to work with plain qt3 also

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Mozz:

iamlindoro: so many thanks to you

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darkdrgn2k:

whats the PVR150 cart type no?

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darkdrgn2k:

IVTV?

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troldrik:

yes

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darkdrgn2k:

dam i need firmware dont i...

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darkdrgn2k:

does the HVR 1600 work well if used for both DVB and NTSC?

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darkdrgn2k:

or should i leave it just dvb

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Shadow_v3:

yes it works for both

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iamlindoro:

the HVR-1600 isn't a DVB card, it's an ATSC/QAM card

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Shadow_v3:

yeah

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darkdrgn2k:

sorry DTV

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darkdrgn2k:

(to much time spenmt on DVB-s in the past:-P)

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Shadow_v3:

but under myth you have to set it up as a dvb card

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darkdrgn2k:

actually DTV

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iamlindoro:

actually, Shadow_v3 is correct

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darkdrgn2k:

o

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** Shadow_v3 is right every once in awhile **

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darkdrgn2k:

ok well

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darkdrgn2k:

"DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)"

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darkdrgn2k:

so we both right :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

okie.. for alsa output via HDMI do i pick DIGITAL output?

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darkdrgn2k:

i have default,spdif,sorround51,analog,digital,mixed-analog,mixed-digital

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darkdrgn2k:

which one is hdmi

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Shadow_v3:

try digital

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troldrik:

better to change the default alsa device. :p

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wilturn:

I would try telling it to do passthru and set it to default

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troldrik:

http://cbaoth.dk/~cbaoth/asoundrc.mythfail

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troldrik:

is my .asoundrc for hdmi sound.

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troldrik:

adjust hw:0,3 to fit your hardware obviously.

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darkdrgn2k:

howd o i know which hw :-P

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wilturn:

aplay -l

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wilturn:

mine is also 0,3

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darkdrgn2k:

card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: NVIDIA HDMI [NVIDIA HDMI]

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wilturn:

you want the card # followed by the subdevice #

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darkdrgn2k:

so is mine

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wilturn:

card 0: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI]

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm nothign

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darkdrgn2k:

any way i can test to see if it will play?

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wilturn:

yeah.. first off make sure you unmute your channels using alsamixer, but the test line is.. 1s

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troldrik:

it's .asoundrc in your homedir?

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darkdrgn2k:

ya

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troldrik:

And make sure anything with iec958 are not muted in alsamixer.

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troldrik:

Then play a mp3 or something.

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darkdrgn2k:

baa pulse is killing my alsamixer :-S

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wilturn:

I use speaker-test with some flags

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troldrik:

ugh.. pulse. :p

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darkdrgn2k:

removing.. hold on

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wilturn:

oh, pulse is awful

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wilturn:

mostly

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darkdrgn2k:

lol yes.. yes it is

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wilturn:

http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Speaker-test good alsa speaker test ref

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darkdrgn2k:

was muted :)

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darkdrgn2k:

i hear sound :(

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darkdrgn2k:

")

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darkdrgn2k:

dam mute

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wilturn:

I cant tell you how much time Ive spent debugging audio channels that were muted

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wilturn:

d0h

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wilturn:

now I have a new bug where firefox and mythfrontend seem to fight over alsa devices, and we wind up with no sound

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troldrik:

dmix?

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darkdrgn2k:

ok.. now how do i do the mixer :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

cant turn down the audio :-S

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troldrik:

straight digital signal.

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darkdrgn2k:

so i cant change audio on a digital signal?

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wilturn:

yeah you have to use your receiver or sound card mixer really if it's passthru

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troldrik:

Depends on the hw and sw implementation

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darkdrgn2k:

soundcard mixer?

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troldrik:

Control the volume at the receiver/tv end.

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm okie

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darkdrgn2k:

so can i turn of audio somehow in myth?

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wilturn:

yeah Im not sure what your frontend is.. I use a frontend on just a normal computer and use normal mixers there, otherwise I use a hardware receiver on the htpc

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darkdrgn2k:

oo i do HDMI->TV then TV->OPTICAL->5.1 RECIEVER

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darkdrgn2k:

oh yeh PC->HDMI->TV

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wilturn:

so you can turn your main up or down on the PC.. I think you can tell myth to move a different mixer slider for vol up down

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh

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wilturn:

or you can do it at the tv itself

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darkdrgn2k:

i have PCM or MASTER

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wilturn:

I liek to leave my channels set

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darkdrgn2k:

master gives error

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darkdrgn2k:

2009-06–10 04:54:07.135 Mixer unable to find control Master

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wilturn:

I get that error too

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wilturn:

I think its best fixed with definitions in .asoundrc but I havent gotten there

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darkdrgn2k:

pcm has no erro but no audio change

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wilturn:

there is something under the tv playback setup iirc

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darkdrgn2k:

there is a mixer selection but only between pcm and master

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darkdrgn2k:

now the big test

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darkdrgn2k:

will this work with a DVD :)

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k-man:

do you think this could be repurposed as a mythtv frontend? http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/lacies-lac . . . add-storage/

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k-man:

one day, i hope some manufacturer will build a device like that that can be used as a frontend

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darkdrgn2k:

ok what permissions doe mythuser need to play audio :-P

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clever:

read

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kormoc:

I'm constantly amazed by the lack of English in here...

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darkdrgn2k:

typos.. sorry

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clever:

Lazyness on my part.

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darkdrgn2k:

should i jsut put mythuser into the audio group?

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clever:

yeah that should do it

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clever:

and dont forget to login to that user again

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darkdrgn2k:

kool that worked

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darkdrgn2k:

now my dvds are still quite

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barbct5:

I'm new to this IRC channel, but had some questions about which TV Tuners work best in MythTv. Didn't know if this was the channel for such questions.

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darkdrgn2k:

via myth video

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darkdrgn2k:

exit

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darkdrgn2k:

yes

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barbct5:

Does anyone have any recommendations as to which TV Tuner works the best for Video Capture either over the air or from digital cable provider?

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Dagmar:

It's not really... that subject has been seriously pounded flat on the wiki in every way except a chart telling you "BUY X IF YOU LIVE Y AND USE Z"

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barbct5:

ok

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Dagmar:

There's nothing that'll let you tune digital cable directly.

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barbct5:

right, just the ClearQAM and QAM 64 channels

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barbct5:

but I will read more into the wiki. I was reading the documentation which gave some advise on what tuners NOT to use but wanted some info on which ones work the best. But thanks for the help

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Dagmar:

In NA it comes down to three things... PVR-150/PVR-500 for analog cable, HVR-1600 (probably) for ATSC (i.e., what's broadcast now) and *maybe* some QAM (but don't count on it), or the HD-PVR and a set-top box from the cable company if you want to record digital HD broadcasts

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darkdrgn2k:

barbct5: quality wise there is not much of a difference since its a DIGITAL signal

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darkdrgn2k:

also SOME cable boxes allow FireWire :)_

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Dagmar:

Basically, if it's made by Hauppauge the chances of it working are high.

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Dagmar:

If it's not, they drop rapidly.

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darkdrgn2k:

i have a pvr150 and an hvr1600 :)

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Dagmar:

Just do not buy a framegrabber card.

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Dagmar:

You don't want anything that requires the CPU do the work of compressing the video

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darkdrgn2k:

Dagmar: well pvr is good for analog

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darkdrgn2k:

Dagmar: as for digital.. it comes in compressed..

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Dagmar:

No really? I never knew that.

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clever:

lol

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kormoc:

It's not like he mentioned that already...

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darkdrgn2k:

kormoc: meh im trying to fix my dvd.. so my attention is split.. sorry

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darkdrgn2k:

ok umany one know why i cant hear audio in myth – audio?

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kormoc:

the logs would

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nambo:

any suggestions on USB remote controls that work well in myth?

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kormoc:

The Microsoft MCE USB remote

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darkdrgn2k:

I concure

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darkdrgn2k:

as long as you have batteris in the remote

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** darkdrgn2k remembers emberassing moment **

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jblack:

Careful with the topseed one.

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nambo:

kormoc: got an idea on the pricerange?

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darkdrgn2k:

2009-06–10 06:00:20.113 NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: snd_pcm_open(iec958:{ AES0 0x02 }): No such file or directory

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darkdrgn2k:

??

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darkdrgn2k:

nambo:pritty cheap they come in all shapes and size

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darkdrgn2k:

s

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nambo:

pcm, just studying that tonight

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darkdrgn2k:

nambo: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121002 30 buck canadain

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nambo:

dark: coolness...

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darkdrgn2k:

thats one of the ones i have

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darkdrgn2k:

simple.. no blaster.. just ir receiver and remote.. small to

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nambo:

but i don't have canuck money

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nambo:

hehe

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nambo:

naw, that looks perfect

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nambo:

i'm wondering if Microcenter carries it

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darkdrgn2k:

fine

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nambo:

i'll go pick one up tomorrow

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darkdrgn2k:

replace ca with com and you get

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darkdrgn2k:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121002

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darkdrgn2k:

26.99 usd

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darkdrgn2k:

they work with any rc5 remote too :)

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nambo:

dark: i know, iknow, i'm just being silly

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nambo:

i appreciate your help

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darkdrgn2k:

they have a nice whiteone too

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darkdrgn2k:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121004

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darkdrgn2k:

dell sells them too

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darkdrgn2k:

(got me a dell and an HP one too)

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nambo:

seems like every 6 months i upgrade my mythtv box

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darkdrgn2k:

so any idea why i get this error:

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darkdrgn2k:

2009-06–10 06:00:30.696 NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: snd_pcm_open(iec958:{ AES0 0x02 }): No such file or directory

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nambo:

last upgrade was major, build a totally new box for it, added a Yamaha tuner, and spdif audio

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darkdrgn2k:

which dev is iec958?

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nambo:

looks like a driver issue

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darkdrgn2k:

(i just upgraded my board to do audio out)

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darkdrgn2k:

i think its actualy a permissions issue :-P

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nambo:

dark: yeah... Diamond card

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darkdrgn2k:

just dont knwo where

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nambo:

says no such file

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nambo:

if it was permissions it would say it couldn't read the file

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darkdrgn2k:

where would the file be?

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darkdrgn2k:

funyn thing is alsamixer shows it :)

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nambo:

spdif took me about 5 days to figure out... but now i can set it up in about 2 minutes

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nambo:

even having it default in linux to the spdif out

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darkdrgn2k:

nambo: ok ... so where is the iec958 file?

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nambo:

can you see the muted channel in alsamixer?

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darkdrgn2k:

nambo: alreayd fixed that

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nambo:

spdif by default comes muted

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darkdrgn2k:

lol problem is

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darkdrgn2k:

AudioOutput Error: snd_pcm_open(iec958:{ AES0 0x02 }): No such file or directory

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darkdrgn2k:

mythtv works find with it.. its juts playing dvds

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nambo:

i don't think you have the driver installed

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nambo:

hmm, that's weird

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nambo:

onboard spdif?

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darkdrgn2k:

ya

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darkdrgn2k:

HDMI actualy

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nambo:

that's your problem

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darkdrgn2k:

and mythtv actualy outputs fine

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nambo:

onboard is still experimental

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nambo:

there's issues with it

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darkdrgn2k:

but mythtv outputs fine

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nambo:

well... on most onboard spdif outputs

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darkdrgn2k:

remember this is HDMI :)

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nambo:

HDMI, in myth?

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nambo:

HDMI transmits sound and video through one interface

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darkdrgn2k:

yep

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darkdrgn2k:

and i got mythtv live tv to work find with it

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darkdrgn2k:

had to unmute iec958.. but lol

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nambo:

kormoc would know about HDMI support, i use spdif, toslink myself

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darkdrgn2k:

nwo tried dvd...

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nambo:

iec958 is toslink tho

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darkdrgn2k:

well i only have an HDMI cable.. no coax or optical

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darkdrgn2k:

i think hdmi just carries the spidf signal

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nambo:

interesting... i didn't even consider hdmi in my setup with myth, didn't think it supportedi t

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nambo:

my tuner supports it, as does my tv

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nambo:

oh well, not going to mess with something that works

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darkdrgn2k:

lol

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darkdrgn2k:

i want to see if my TV will pass 5.1 to the receiver

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darkdrgn2k:

i got

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darkdrgn2k:

computer->HDMI->TV->OPTICAL->RECIEVER

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nambo:

well, spdif bypasses the analog part of the sound card... it's straight digital

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nambo:

mine's computer->toslink->receiver

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nambo:

toslinke and optical are redundant

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nambo:

toslink

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nambo:

and i'm using RGP as my tv connection

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darkdrgn2k:

rgp?

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nambo:

monitor link

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nambo:

like in the back of your computer

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nambo:

720p

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darkdrgn2k:

oo

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darkdrgn2k:

RGB :)

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nambo:

my setup works well, i added speakers to my back porch, a few months ago

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nambo:

connected to my tuner

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nambo:

even set them up so i can move them inside

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nambo:

it's really all about the right tuner

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nambo:

got 2 TB drives in the box, it does the job well for what i designed it for

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clever:

i got a pvr150 and a 1tb sata, in a poor old P2 400mhz

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clever:

the only major problem is that mysql is a little bit too slow

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nambo:

1tb sata in a p2?! wow

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nambo:

you're hardcore

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nambo:

hehe

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nambo:

i know you had to do a bios flash or two to make that take

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clever:

nope

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clever:

pci board

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nambo:

ohh

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clever:

the board has sata, pata, and 4 usb ports

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nambo:

yeah, that's kinda old... you'd have to

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clever:

the onboard pata ports, cant read large drives

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clever:

the bios is too old:P

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nambo:

yeah

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clever:

i suspect the 3rd pata bus can handle the newer drives

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nambo:

they got 137gb, or 4gb size restrictions

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nambo:

probably the later

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clever:

8 0 976762584 sda

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clever:

8 16 30029328 sdb

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clever:

major minor #blocks name

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nambo:

well, no worries for you

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nambo:

you got a sata controller card

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clever:

onboard pata drive, and sata drive

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nambo:

i should of known that, sata postdates pIII technology, nonetheless pII

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clever:

the sata controler also has a pata interface, so i could put the large pata's in there if i wanted to

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nambo:

i got a K7 here that has probs with eide drives over 137gb

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nambo:

annoying stuff

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clever:

it also bearly even uses the internal drives for anything but data storage

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clever:

the rootfs is stored on NFS

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nambo:

clever: i first ran myth off an old eMachines K7

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nambo:

actually, it's the one i was just bitching about

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nambo:

heh

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i started with it on my 1.6ghz P4 server

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clever:

but then the lirc drivers crapped out, and then ivtv

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nambo:

the new E4400, 4GB DDR2 memory, 2 x 1TB Seagate Baracudas replaced it

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nambo:

xmas gift to myself

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clever:

and i got tired of rebooting the master server to fix mythtv

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clever:

so i gave it a dedicated box

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nambo:

yeah, mines dedicated as well

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nambo:

might be interesting to add a box upstairs, hmm... giving me ideas

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Shadow_v3:

clever: i say work a year atleast so you can buy all new hardware

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Shadow_v3:

lol

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sphery:

iamlindoro: best ... news ... evvvaaa! http://www.tv.com/story/15528.html

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Shadow_v3:

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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nambo:

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_res . . . t_id=0266048

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nambo:

this look good?

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Shadow_v3:

looks ugly

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nambo:

yeah, but i can buy it tomorrow without shipping, ugh, ok... i'll just order the new egg one

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nambo:

heh

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Shadow_v3:

whats the link for the newegg one

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nambo:

bought the Anywhere remote

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nambo:

the=that

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Shadow_v3:

that might not work

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Shadow_v3:

did you check if its supported

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nambo:

whoever linked it to me i thought was using it

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nambo:

https://secure.newegg.com/NewMyAccount/OrderD . . . ber=28767916

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nambo:

damnit

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nambo:

wrong url

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sphery:

looks like it's just a MCE remote

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sphery:

generic brand

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sphery:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121002

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nambo:

yeah

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nambo:

nothing fancy

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nambo:

kormoc suggested a MCE

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Shadow_v3:

that sure is alot of buttons

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sphery:

I'm guessing it's just a standard IR RC-5 or RC-6 remote, which should work well

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nambo:

yeah... basic ir blaster

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sphery:

assuming you have a receiver that works with that code

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nambo:

it comes with one

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Dagmar:

It's not the number of buttons that matters, but how well you can read em

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sphery:

actually, the best remote is the one you /feel/, not the one you read

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nambo:

in soviet russia, remote controls you!!

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sphery:

If I need to figure out what button I'm using to do something (to teach someone to use my Myth box), I actually have to look away from my remote to figure out which button to push, then look back at it to find out.

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nambo:

i just constantly need new toys to play with

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nambo:

i never hated myth, it frustrates me sometimes, but i don't hate it

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nambo:

it's a good project

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nambo:

i think there's some kinks that should be worked out in the mythbuntu upgrade package, as well, but that's not myth's fault

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nambo:

and it's always a pain to upgrade to a new version

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kormoc:

Riddle me this, if I've never seen Fringe before, can I jump into it?

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Shadow_v3:

i would watch it from the beginning

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Dagmar:

It's weird, right from the beginning.

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Dagmar:

It's best if you do into it *knowing* you shouldn't have a good idea of WTF is going on

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Dagmar:

Plus, Walter's hilarioud.

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Dagmar:

er hilarious.

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Shadow_v3:

he def is

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Shadow_v3:

is there going to be a seocund season

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Dagmar:

afaik yes

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Shadow_v3:

how about for doll house

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sphery:

yeah, Fringe is back

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sphery:

and Dollhouse is back

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Shadow_v3:

awesome

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sphery:

and Dollhouse may have a new treat: http://www.tv.com/story/15171.html?ref_story_ . . . f_name=story

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Shadow_v3:

one who talks to much huh

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lwizardl:

hi

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lwizardl:

i'm trying to figure out what hardware i'm going to need for my mythtv system build. anyone around that would like to help?

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kormoc:

"Summer said to me, 'I would like to play a normal girl before I die of extreme old age'"

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kormoc:

Ha!

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lwizardl:

This is what I have been thinking for my intended system usage.

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lwizardl:

I want to have a system that will playback pre-recorded videos (mostly for tv episodes and movie trailers). But I would also like to record/transcode shows on the same machine

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Shadow_v3:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hardware_Requirements

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lwizardl:

Shadow_v3, thanks for the link but I'm trying to have the one front end feed into about 10 TVs

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Shadow_v3:

i cant help there

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lwizardl:

yeah thats why i stopped typing my plans and started researching video distribution

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joako:

I am trying to use a PVR500 card, audio works but for video all I get is gibberish: http://www.bouncethem.com/8081

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sphery:

joako: what resolution are you using for capture (in the recording profiles)? Use 720x480 (for NTSC) or 720x576 (for PAL)

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sphery:

And, for playback, use the Slim playback profile group. And, you're probably going to need to upgrade your ATI video drivers

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Essobi:

Night all.

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joako:

sphery: The ATI driver I am using is 8.582_2.6.27.19_3.2–2.1, is there another version I should use?

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lwizardl:

joako, was you install saturn games?

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joako:

saturn games? I am not sure what that is. I just want to use mythtv to occansinally copy things from my DVR. I am not aware of any other linux app that works with ivtv cards

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lwizardl:

because your username looks familar

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lwizardl:

joako, ok nm wrong person then

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sphery:

joako: don't know what version you need, but the double image part of the corruption is from the ATI drivers--it may not even be fixed in newer ones, but using the Slim playback profile group will work around that part of the problem, even with the bad drivers

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joako:

sphery: The double playback on that screencap is due to something I pressed and later fixed

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joako:

the main issue is the gibberish

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sphery:

for that, my recommendation is to check your recording profile--720x480 or 720x576

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sphery:

I'll bet you're doing 640x480 or 640x576

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joako:

Yes, I already checked and all of them are 720x480

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joako:

This is what I am seeing now: http://www.bouncethem.com/8117

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joako:

the top before the rainbow lines start is the actuall current image on TV

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joako:

I am using the composite video input so I don't think it is an issue with tuning to the correct channel

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sphery:

I don't know what else to try

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sphery:

Have you gotten it working outside of Myth? That should probably be your first step.

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joako:

sphery: Is there a simpler app that lets me us an IVTV capture card?

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sphery:

v4lctl and cat

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joako:

v4lctl with an ivtv card??

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sphery:

this is way out of date and kind of focused on Fedora, but it gives the idea: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fc6myth.php#capture (the "For ivtv-based..."

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sphery:

looks like it's current enough

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joako:

sphery: says it should "Just work" lol

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joako:

.../usr/bin/v4l2-ctl -i 2; cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg; playback in VLC is still the same

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sphery:

-i 2 is S-Video, isn't it

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sphery:

v4l2-ctl --list-inputs

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sphery:

using the wrong input could do something like what you're seeing

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joako:

It says input 2 is "Composite 1"

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sphery:

OK... Mine's different

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sphery:

if it's not bad inputs (or cabling), then, it may be the card...

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sphery:

best way to test the card is to stick it in a Windows machine and test it out...

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joako:

Actually I just tried the 2nd tuner on the card and it works fine

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joako:

So either I have a really odd sofware issue or tuner #1 on the card is bad

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sphery:

I had heard some people talking about one tuner on a PVR-500 not working

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sphery:

never heard how/if they fixed it

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joako:

Hmm... that is the card I have

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joako:

Either way it's not a huge deal for me

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sphery:

but htere are lots of threads about it on the -users mailing list

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sphery:

in the interim, you can just set up one of the tuners in Myth (just make sure that you always get the same order for the video devices)

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sphery:

don't define any tuner for the 2nd one--Myth does /not/ like defined capture cards without connected inputs

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sphery:

joako: anyway, if you look through http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . re&mh=25 , you'll find lots of threads about only one tuner working

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joako:

Thanks for the help but I am not worred about having two tuners... I know it used to work on an ANCIENT linuxmce machine

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AnNahar:

help friends, upgraded to f11 and

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AnNahar:

2009-06–10 01:51:05.227 ERROR: ***Pulse Audio is running!!!!***

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AnNahar:

2009-06–10 01:51:05.227 ERROR: But MythTV has not been compiled with Pulse Audio disabling support. EXITING!

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kormoc:

so disable pulse audio

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AnNahar:

kormoc: i thought myth could use PA

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AnNahar:

i had been setting it to use PA

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kormoc:

nope

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AnNahar:

kormoc: ? ive had it set in myth sound options for a while

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kormoc:

we've dropped support for it, it can't do enough for us

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wagnerrp:

pulseaudio is very poor at maintaining low latency

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wagnerrp:

so if you try to use it for video, you invariably end up with lipsync issues

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kormoc:

and has no way to report real latency

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AnNahar:

oh

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AnNahar:

so you aren't expecting them to fix the issue, etc?

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kormoc:

they're not

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AnNahar:

are you planning to readd support for it later?

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt matter if they are going to fix it in the future, right now, it doesnt work

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AnNahar:

eek

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AnNahar:

kormoc: im confused as to when this happened. i was using pulseaudio with myth yesterday

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AnNahar:

i upgraded f11, that's all

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kormoc:

and you upgraded myth

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AnNahar:

righto, apparently i did

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AnNahar:

mythtv-0.21–19.fc11.i586

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AnNahar:

kormoc: ok, just so i can figure out what i'm going to do, would you say for the next several months, at least, myth will not work if PA Is running?

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kormoc:

I'd say that's likely safe

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AnNahar:

k

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AnNahar:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

i love reading journals, running into unknown acronyms, and having to check back to the front to figure out what they are

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wagnerrp:

its even better when i realize i use equally nonsensical acronyms

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wagnerrp:

DOC, NOC, CRP

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kormoc:

AnNahar, the problem really boils down to, we need use use non-pulseaudio 'safe' functionality to have the increased/descreased playback modes working correctly. PA is not going to support what we use, as it's not 'safe' for devices like bluetooth headsets, etc. it's a bit of a standstill

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kormoc:

We don't want to remove functionality to support yet another sound server, they aren't able to support what we need

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AnNahar:

kormoc: PA Is not safe for bt headsets?

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kormoc:

Notorious, Myth is not safe for BT headsets

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kormoc:

*no

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AnNahar:

oh ok

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kormoc:

AnNahar, here's pulse audio's lead dev's answer to myth's problems, https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudi . . . /003570.html

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AnNahar:

kormoc: i just want to make sure before i uninstall PA on this machine that there's no way to get myth to ignore it or something

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AnNahar:

which apparently there is not

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wagnerrp:

you cant force mythtv to use alsa directly, bypassing pulse?

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kormoc:

if Pulse is actually running, it can intercept that with certain setups

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AnNahar:

i mean, mythtv, when i try to run it, bombs when it sees that pulse is running

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wagnerrp:

intentionally

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AnNahar:

right

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AnNahar:

so i was wondering if there's a way around that, otherwise im going to uninstall pulse

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AnNahar:

wagnerrp: so no way around it, then?

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wagnerrp:

never used pulse audio

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wagnerrp:

and not too versed in the voodoo that is alsa

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AnNahar:

ok

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juski:

mythtvfs? WTH?! :-)

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juski:

whoah. mp3fs is the dogs' danglies!

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juski:

no more pissing about converting files :-D

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peque:

Hey Guys. Running 0.22SVN – yesterday I've rebooted my Machine(MBE) and afterwards the config.xml isn't valid anymore – It cannot connect to MySQL – And will not start MythBackend! I deleted the .mythtv directory in /root and /home/myth/ and now its starting and says it's getting the info from Backend – and from there its runs perfectly – But moving .mythtv back -gives the same error again. Is mysql.txt or config.xml been changed or anything? I hav

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peque:

en't installed anything – since my last reboot for a little week ago

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juski:

pfft. running trunk & you don't know? lol

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peque:

Juski – what you mean? I've running trunk for a while – but without any changes on MBE ifind it strange suddenly after an reboot – it will not accept mysql.txt or config.xml ?

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juski:

well if the credentials contained in those files are wrong it's never going to work now is it?

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peque:

Juski:_ Agree – but since nothing in them have changed since last reboot – I have a problem figuring this out ?? how it suddenly changes ( havent been logged in to the MBE – only on the frontends

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peque:

So comprimised Server ??? cannot see any attacks and nothing is open to the outside

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stuarta:

morning all

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th1:

good morning

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** lyricnz starts updating to Fedora 11. Wish me luck :) **

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jab:

lyricnz: I've been running mythtv on F11 pre-releases for a couple of months, intel xorg drivers were verg good until final release then to fix a bug they're reintroduced the vertical tearing issue, I chose to disable pulseaudio due to buffering issues.

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** lyricnz _hates_ pulseaudio but hasn't got around to doing something aout it **

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jab:

i don't hate it, but I don't need it on my myth box (the only feature it adds is volume control of SPDIF outputs)

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lyricnz:

jab: which is what my stereo is for

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lyricnz:

I've been really unhappy with my myth box the last six months or so – jerky playback, high CPU, etc

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lyricnz:

Yet nvidia drivers appear installed okay

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jab:

can't speak for nVidia drivers, my myth boxes have all been Radeon or Intel

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lyricnz:

What's the simplest way to disable pulseaudio completely?

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jab:

yum remove pulseaudio

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lyricnz:

Will do, once fedora updates

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lyricnz:

I'm using the yum upgrade progress, because I can't be bothered writing a DVD, and the garage where the servers are is really cold :)

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lyricnz:

1399 RPMs to update ... 1GB

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jab:

then just make sure myth is set to output to relevant ALSA device (and maybe different device for AC3 passthru)

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** lyricnz uses spdif out to his stereo, so needs that to work. **

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jab:

using ALSA hwplug works fine for me over motherboard's SPDIF coax output, or HDMI's embedded audio.

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stuarta:

was it hard to identify the hdmi embedded audio?

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jab:

stuarta: aplay -L showed it up, but didn't identify which was onboard SPDIF and which was HDMI, a little expirimentation found which was which

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stuarta:

i might have to have a play when i get home

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jab:

stuarta: this is an Asus P5E-VM-HDMI so all on-board anyway

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stuarta:

yeah, dunno if i'll get audio out of mine

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jab:

on earlier ALSA (included with F10) there were problems, only one channel rather than stereo, some extra tickbox "buried" on a gnome mixer page that had to be enabled to get sound, and the sound would overrun the "data island" and corrupt the video, but all that seems fixed now. My TV won't extract stereo if I send 5.1 down the HDMI, and myth sends 5.1 unless you tell it to only do stereo, so it works out better to have stereo only to TV via analo

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lyricnz:

updating.... slow.

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lyricnz:

(1313/1399): gthumb-2.10.11–4.fc11.x86_64.rpm

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Essobi:

Morning!

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bobbob1016:

Is there any way I can get a GUI Graphical remote to my mythbox? I have a tablet I'd want to use as a remote.

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cesman:

bobbob1016: what tablet?

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andy14111:

bobbob1016 there exists indeed such thing, a webbased remote

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bobbob1016:

andy14111: Webbased is ok.

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bobbob1016:

cesman: A convertable, gateway m275

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cesman:

bobbob1016: http://www.google.com/search?q=mythweb+remote . . . nt=firefox-a

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cesman:

first hit

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bobbob1016:

cesman: Didn't think to search for webremote, I just did gui remote

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bobbob1016:

cesman: Is it safe to install that though? Not sure how to verify that

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bobbob1016:

Safe as in, how do I know there isn't anything malicious in it?

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** cesman has used it and included it w/ KnoppMyth for years **

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bobbob1016:

cesman: Ok, thanks.

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cesman:

you're welcome

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laga:

cesman: how's arch treating you? i'm running it on my laptop now and i like it

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cesman:

laga: very well thanks

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cesman:

laga: been using it on my workstation for some time now

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wagnerrp:

bobbob1016: the more important thing is *how* that web remote works

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wagnerrp:

if you were so inclined, a few days screwing around with python, tk or gtk, and the socket commands could produce a pretty nice looking menu

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wagnerrp:

as it stands, mythfrontend just exposes an open socket which accepts text commands

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wagnerrp:

i know someone was working on a similar interface for a nokia tablet

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bobbob1016:

wagnerrp: I wouldn't be that inclined to do one with python/tk/gtk, since I have a keyboard hooked up now that works fine, I just wanted to see if there was an already configured web-remote

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cesman:

wagnerrp: works really well!

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wagnerrp:

cesman: the nokia thing?

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cesman:

no, the web remote

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cesman:

works on my N800 as well

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cesman:

I've not tried the app for the NIT yet...

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wagnerrp:

i used it too, only i rarely have a computer actually near the mythfrontend for a remote keyboard to be of much worth

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rozon:

does the 0.21-fixes support tuning dvb-s2 transponders?

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iamlindoro:

no

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sphery:

I'm too slow... iamlindoro was faster with the don't mix EIT/SD response.

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sphery:

1min, 8 seconds too slow.

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iamlindoro:

Yeah ;)

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sphery:

did you see that Futurama is back?

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sphery:

http://www.tv.com/story/15528.html

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iamlindoro:

yeah! good news (everybody)

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sphery:

Now that's a Futurama I can believe in.

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** stuarta does a happy dance **

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iamlindoro:

Plus, on Comedy Central it doesn't need exceptional ratings to stay on

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

though since I don't get CC, I'll have to do the DVD thing.

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** stuarta goes home **

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iamlindoro:

sphery: ah, yeah, bummer

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wagnerrp:

you dont get CC? no cable?

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jams:

he does OTA only

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iamlindoro:

For Futurama he may climb to pole and run a line out to his shack in the swamp

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iamlindoro:

</floridajoke>

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iamlindoro:

er climb the

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wagnerrp:

watch out for them crocagators

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iamlindoro:

janneg: Congrats on getting the HD-PVR driver into 2.6.30

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rozon:

i want s2api in mythtv... can i use 0.21-fixes, or do I have to use 0.22?

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iamlindoro:

rozon: Neither, myth has no S2API support yet

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rozon:

iamlindoro, but there are patches that gives s2api, right?

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iamlindoro:

The patches no longer work/apply

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iamlindoro:

so no

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rozon:

so i'm stuck with either waiting or using an old revision then...?

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iamlindoro:

Using an old revision with those patches would be a very bad idea

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iamlindoro:

since it would almost definitely prevent you from even upgrading

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iamlindoro:

Those patches modify the DB schema and modify code that no longer exists, making it virtually impossible to ever update to the real branch, and leaving you with a broken database

[17:38:20]

iamlindoro:

so the only supportable choice is to wait

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rozon:

i've been waiting since october last year... :P

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iamlindoro:

I didn't say you would enjoy it, I just said that's what you would have to do

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** rozon grins. **

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rozon:

are we talking years of waiting, or weeks?

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iamlindoro:

Not years, but probably not weeks, either

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iamlindoro:

well, maybe weeks, anything's possible

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iamlindoro:

before .22, certainly, which ought to be sometime late this summer

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stuarta:

we hope

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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rozon:

anyway to help development?

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iamlindoro:

Writing an S2API patch that is cleaner than the old one and applies to current code might help

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iamlindoro:

but outside of that, there's no end-user way of helping

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dustybin:

rozon: write a patch what makes the menu pointers move smoothly

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stuarta:

definitely making sure that there is a patch against head that works with whatever s2 api has been blessed as the kernel api for dvb-s2

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rozon:

are there anyone currently working on that?

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wagnerrp:

seems freenode is cleansing their systems tomorrow

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iamlindoro:

rozon: There is a myth dev who has done some work towards getting S2API working, but the original patch didn't meet his standards and the channel scanner has been scrapped and replaced since then. He has stated that he intends to get S2API in for the next release, but as with everyone, he too has a real life and responsibilities that come first

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iamlindoro:

As hard as it might be to do, the best choice (outside of writing a new patch from scratch yourself) you can do is wait patiently

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iamlindoro:

s/you can do/you can make/

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** sphery bets that the reporter in #6619 has a listings provider that doesn't provide categories **

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rozon:

i'll take a dive into the source and do some thinking.... i do to have a real life, but strangely it sometimes asks for the HD channels... :P

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** stuarta beers self **

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rozon:

thanks for the good answers... :)

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sphery:

#6621 looks completely invalid as the user copied the contents of the mounted DVD filesystem to HDD and then used mkisofs, rather than ripping the DVD

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iamlindoro:

rozon: Sounds good, it might be worth pinging janneg if he pops in at some point to see how much of the work he has finished, and if you can coordinate any of that work with him

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scientes:

how are recordings stored in mythtv?

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scientes:

also is there a way to import from a comcast drv

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scientes:

anyone know the format

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kormoc:

nuv container with mpeg-4 or rtjpeg, mpeg container with mpeg2, mpeg container with h264

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kormoc:

and no

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** iamlindoro grumbles about kormoc answering while he was composing something witty **

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** kormoc laughs **

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michael__:

hullo

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kormoc:

Continue, I don't mind some extra wit!

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iamlindoro:

The spirit has left me

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scientes:

me neither

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kormoc:

AWw

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michael__:

can anyone see me?

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kormoc:

I'll make sure not to answer next time

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kormoc:

michael__, no

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iamlindoro:

yes, we see you

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scientes:

michael__, no but we can hear you

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iamlindoro:

well, we can read your message, anyway

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scientes:

wait, we cant do that either

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iamlindoro:

I like that lacy pink thing you're wearing

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michael__:

well, first thing that has gone right today i suppose...

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michael__:

the question is can you read me?

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iamlindoro:

like a book

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kormoc:

Not really, I don't know russian

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michael__:

so i have some moronic questions that I hope you guys might can answer

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iamlindoro:

sphery: agreed on #6621, that ain't right

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stuarta:

we've plenty of moronic answers we can give back :)

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michael__:

first... i have scoured the net looking for resolutions to one specific problem... my remote frontend (mythbuntu 9.04) can see and preview recordings on the backend, but can't play them

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, I actually posted a comment to the ticket and told him to use MythDVD to rip

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iamlindoro:

cool

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scientes:

kormoc, and where are the files stored?

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sphery:

Trying to find verification that some listings providers don't have categories and that Myth doesn't make them up, now

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michael__:

i have both nfs and samba running on the back end... i mounted the recordings directory from the backend to the same location on front and and still no dice

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scientes:

database, filesystem?

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iamlindoro:

scientes: filesystem

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iamlindoro:

and "wherever you set them up to go"

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sphery:

see mythtv-setup Storage Groups

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michael__:

yeah, the recordings are in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

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michael__:

it is ext3 filesystem i think

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sphery:

heh, /var... guess that's all short-term data :) (I know, that's how your distro does it, but...)

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michael__:

so i mounted the backend to /var/lib/mythtv/recordings and still no dice

[18:00:02]

iamlindoro:

michael__: Yours are, but it's purely individual, so there's no single answer

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scientes:

sphery, only /var/cache is explicitely shot-term data

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scientes:

and /var/tmp

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michael__:

the backend plays them fine... it is a combo backend/frontend

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sphery:

scientes: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEVARHIERARCHY

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scientes:

then why would dpkg keep its database there sphery ?

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** kormoc has his recordings stored in /usr/local/etc/x11/conf/var/tmp/cache/videothingy/stuff/ **

[18:01:18]

iamlindoro:

michael__: Pastebinning backend and frontend logs for an attempt to play back would probably be helpful

[18:01:34]

sphery:

scientes: because distros are behind/don't care about FHS

[18:01:44]

scientes:

sphery, NO, your wrong

[18:01:48]

sphery:

kormoc: I think that's the recommended approach

[18:01:50]

scientes:

its not shot-term

[18:01:56]

scientes:

only /var/tmp

[18:01:57]

stuarta:

yum keeps it's data under /var too

[18:02:29]

kormoc:

scientes, it might do you good to read the doc, by the standards body, before telling us that they're all wrong and you're right...

[18:02:37]

scientes:

i have read it

[18:02:49]

sphery:

scientes: if nothing else, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html# . . . EINFORMATION ... Myth recordings are /not/ "data that programs modify while they run, and that pertains to one specific host."

[18:02:51]

stuarta:

anyway, quite frankly i don't give a flying f*&^"$! about what distros do with the fhs

[18:03:04]

sphery:

State information is generally used to preserve the condition of an application (or a group of inter-related applications) between invocations and between different instances of the same application.

[18:03:08]

michael__:

ok, can you guys give me the short list of ways to make the logs. all i have been doing so far is to try to play the recordings.

[18:03:10]

scientes:

var is explicitely variable data, not anything about length of storage, except for /var/tmp

[18:03:21]

michael__:

and i will have to move to that system later on

[18:03:24]

scientes:

and of course /var/cache can aso be deleted

[18:03:30]

** kormoc sighs **

[18:03:37]

iamlindoro:

nom nom nom

[18:03:39]

kormoc:

whatever, it's not worth arguing about

[18:03:40]

michael__:

is that sigh for me?

[18:03:43]

stuarta:

shall we move on from the fhs?

[18:03:44]

stuarta:

please

[18:04:11]

iamlindoro:

michael__: For the frontend, you can just run mythfrontend from a terminal and capture the output to a file (mythfrontend > output.log)

[18:04:22]

iamlindoro:

michael__: For the backend, it takes a -l or --logfile option

[18:04:32]

iamlindoro:

or you can kill the backend and run that from a terminal too

[18:04:35]

scientes:

sphery, but thats /var/lib not /var

[18:04:41]

** stuarta starts a sweepstake and goes for "permissions" **

[18:04:42]

michael__:

ok, i can do that

[18:04:46]

iamlindoro:

ie mythbackend -l backend.log

[18:05:13]

michael__:

i checked permissions, i can actually play the recordings in vlc on a windows machine

[18:05:23]

kormoc:

scientes, we're done with that topic, please move on...

[18:05:27]

michael__:

it is only when i try to actually play through the interface

[18:05:50]

michael__:

the myth interface that is

[18:05:51]

stuarta:

how are you mounting the recordings to the remote fe?

[18:05:51]

scientes:

OK, but sphery is going against common practice which is not against the FHS

[18:06:12]

stuarta:

scientes: give up the fhs

[18:06:14]

kormoc:

What part of move on don't you understand? Kids these days...

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michael__:

on the frontend i used: mount -t nfs <IPaddr>:/var/lib/mythtv/recordings /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

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stuarta:

okay

[18:07:21]

stuarta:

what user runs the frontend where the problem is

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** iamlindoro /silences *@#mythtv-users **

[18:07:38]

michael__:

i was on a live cd

[18:07:45]

michael__:

so i believe user was ubuntu

[18:07:54]

michael__:

is the stupid live cd my whole problem?

[18:07:58]

kormoc:

/kickban *@*.*

[18:08:07]

stuarta:

not necessarily

[18:08:20]

** iamlindoro needs logs. For serious. **

[18:08:28]

michael__:

ok ok

[18:08:30]

michael__:

logs

[18:08:39]

stuarta:

see if the user in this case = root, then nfs security will punt that to nobody on the backend, which may not have permissions to read the file

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[18:10:14]

michael__:

ok... let me switch to the backend pc

[18:11:54]

sphery:

stuarta: is it true that categories aren't always specified in listings data (by some providers or by some EIT)? I was wondering if the reporter on #6619 just has no categories...

[18:12:11]

stuarta:

entirely possible

[18:12:49]

stuarta:

the only thing you can safely assume you will get is a title, and maybe a few words of description

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sphery:

cool... thanks. I made a comment on the ticket.

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wagnerrp:

oh JFS how you annoy me

[18:14:45]

michael___:

ok guys

[18:14:49]

michael___:

here is my backend log

[18:14:56]

michael___:

i don't have the frontend going right now yet

[18:15:00]

stuarta:

in a pastebin please

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[18:16:26]

wagnerrp:

whenever one of my systems gets crashy on boot, it invariably corrupts whatever directory it is writing to at the moment in such a manner the journal replay does not fix it

[18:17:06]

deeemac:

I was trying to find some information on it, but can you have more than 2 backends in one setup? like 1 master and 5 secondary backends ?

[18:17:15]

wagnerrp:

yes

[18:17:57]

wagnerrp:

you can run as many backends as your network, database, and power hookup supports

[18:18:13]

sphery:

and you wallet (for paying for parts/power)

[18:18:22]

deeemac:

lol

[18:18:23]

deeemac:

nice

[18:19:06]

sphery:

My (2) backends cost me about $10/mo to run at $0.10/kWh

[18:19:10]

sphery:

each, that is

[18:19:10]

deeemac:

I added 1 master and 1 secondary, everything worked, then I added another secondary and it broke the connection to the 1st and the 2nd does not work either :(

[18:19:11]

wagnerrp:

the database (and specifically the routines scheduling all those tuners) is probably going to be the first thing to tap out

[18:19:40]

wagnerrp:

you probably did something like change the IP of the master backend

[18:20:06]

sphery:

or one of the systems still has localhost or 127.0.0.1 specified somewhere

[18:20:23]

deeemac:

didn't change any of the ips, they are all static, they can see the master, but the master is not connecting to the recorders

[18:20:23]

wagnerrp:

well that should just break that one system, not the whole setup

[18:20:59]

deeemac:

when you try and sechdule a recording it just gives a recorder offline for both secondary backends channels

[18:22:14]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, mine are somewhere around there

[18:22:21]

wagnerrp:

one a bit more, one a bit less

[18:22:34]

wagnerrp:

s/bit/lot/g

[18:22:37]

deeemac:

and watch live doesn't go anywhere, just stays on the main page

[18:22:45]

deeemac:

when it worked with just 1 secondary on

[18:23:01]

deeemac:

not sure how a 2nd secondary would break the first :(

[18:23:02]

wagnerrp:

deeemac: does your primary backend not have a tuner?

[18:23:16]

sphery:

yeah, the best way to save on power costs is to shut down when not in use... 0.22 will help with that (with WOL for remote backends) for those who trust it.

[18:23:16]

deeemac:

wagnerrp: it does not, was just going to have the database on it

[18:23:27]

sphery:

I don't trust, so I pay the $20/mo

[18:23:56]

michael___:

idiot question number 2

[18:23:58]

sphery:

backends without capture cards are not supported, yet

[18:24:00]

michael___:

what is a paste bin

[18:24:14]

wagnerrp:

sphery: if i could just get my HDHR running on my FBSD backend, i would trust it

[18:24:25]

wagnerrp:

the two tuners record most of what i watch

[18:24:26]

deeemac:

sphery: it worked with just one secondary backend connected

[18:24:37]

wagnerrp:

but for some reason, trunk broke that, and i havent gotten around to getting it working again

[18:24:46]

wagnerrp:

michael___: see the topic

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deeemac:

was going to have the master just run a frontend and the master database

[18:24:59]

sphery:

deeemac: if nothing else, you need to create a "test" PVR-x50 capture card that points to an MPEG-2 file (instead of a video device) and and connect it to a video source that has one channel and No Grabber

[18:25:10]

sphery:

deeemac: better would be to just use the master as a real backend

[18:25:13]

sphery:

with capture card

[18:25:28]

sphery:

search the list archives for info on configuring test capture cards

[18:25:34]

wagnerrp:

the backend does not specifically *need* a capture card

[18:25:42]

wagnerrp:

however mythtv was not designed to operate that way

[18:25:53]

wagnerrp:

and there may very likely be unknown bugs that pop up as a result

[18:25:54]

sphery:

deeemac: the database need not be on the master backend

[18:26:03]

sphery:

i.e. the database server can be on any computer on the network

[18:26:16]

sphery:

so just make the system a dedicated DB server that only runs mythfrontend

[18:26:23]

sphery:

and make one of your real backends the master backend

[18:26:51]

wagnerrp:

if you want, you can still run mythjobqueue on it to continue running commflags and transcodes

[18:26:58]

sphery:

true

[18:27:01]

sphery:

good point

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deeemac:

wagnerrp: yeah, I have another that wasn't going to have a tuner to run transcoding jobs also

[18:27:42]

wagnerrp:

if you have no tuners, there is currently very little purpose to running a backend

[18:28:06]

deeemac:

I have 4 with tuners

[18:28:24]

wagnerrp:

maybe with that WOL for SBEs in 0.22 (its not yet in trunk is it), a tunerless MBE might get more interest

[18:28:45]

deeemac:

doesn't it need to run something to be able to process transcoding jobs?

[18:29:05]

wagnerrp:

"<wagnerrp> if you want, you can still run mythjobqueue on it to continue running commflags and transcodes"

[18:29:43]

michael___:

ok then

[18:29:45]

michael___:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1455658

[18:30:24]

deeemac:

I geuss I'm just in the mindset of this mythbuntu roles, gives you the master, secondary backends, and then front end options

[18:30:35]

wagnerrp:

failed to bind to port 6543.... youre already running one instance of the backend, and its conflicting with the new one youre trying to start

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[18:31:23]

michael__:

i saw in there that it says also that i don't have an ip address for the backend configured, and i can assure you i have it and checked it several times, and it isn't 127.0.0.1

[18:32:18]

michael__:

ok, so i guess i tried to re run mythbackend while it was still running

[18:32:33]

michael__:

what is the flag to shut it down? or just kill it's process?

[18:32:48]

wagnerrp:

killall mythbackend

[18:33:01]

wagnerrp:

unless this is ubuntu/mythbuntu

[18:33:08]

stuarta:

michael__: did you use an ip or a hostname?

[18:33:10]

michael__:

mythbuntu

[18:33:10]

wagnerrp:

in which case it would be killall mythbackend.real (i think)

[18:34:19]

deeemac:

mythbackend.local for me

[18:34:34]

deeemac:

is the process

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the WOL for remote backends is in trunk, now

[18:35:47]

wagnerrp:

oh? ill have to look into that then

[18:36:12]

wagnerrp:

about the same time i get that HDHR moved back to the MBE

[18:36:51]

clever:

sphery: can each backend wakeup and shutdown seperately?

[18:36:56]

michael___:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1455667

[18:36:59]

michael___:

reran it

[18:37:26]

wagnerrp:

so its running now... whats the problem?

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michael__:

backend always works, it is connecting with remote frontend that breaks

[18:38:21]

michael__:

however, i am rapidly running out of time, so i will have to log that and come back again

[18:38:46]

wagnerrp:

well with that other error where it said the backend IP was not set, both the backend and frontend would have defaulted to 127.0.0.1

[18:38:57]

wagnerrp:

a frontend running on the backend would work

[18:39:21]

michael__:

i checked the backend after that error and it is set to that private ip addreess in the log

[18:39:24]

wagnerrp:

but the backend would not have been listening on the network for remote frontends, and the remote frontends would not know where to find the backend anyway

[18:39:33]

sphery:

clever: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20084

[18:39:35]

michael__:

the frontend on the backend does work, it is the remote ones that are giving me fits

[18:39:51]

wagnerrp:

and as mentioned, the backendip not being set would do that

[18:39:53]

sphery:

firewall?

[18:40:03]

wagnerrp:

but that error didnt show up in the second log

[18:40:08]

clever:

sphery: sweet :)

[18:40:10]

wagnerrp:

so it seems to be set now

[18:40:28]

michael__:

dlink home router, but all the machines are on the internal network side with appropriate addresses

[18:40:34]

sphery:

michael__: note, also, that there are often tons of different mysql.txt files scattered around and you need to make sure /every/ one of them is correct.

[18:40:57]

michael__:

that sounds... complicated...

[18:41:08]

sphery:

michael__: I meant software firewall on the hosts

[18:41:11]

wagnerrp:

however in order for a different mysql.txt to not cause complete brokenness, that means you would have to be running two separate databases for mythtv data

[18:41:54]

sphery:

or be running in a different environment (different HOME/MYTHCONFDIR)

[18:42:15]

sphery:

i.e. the part that works has a good env, but the frontend doesn't

[18:42:18]

th1:

michael__, check if "nc IP_OF_BACKEND 6543" gives an error on the frontend

[18:42:37]

michael__:

i am not a complete computer or even linux newb, i have completed CCNA and hope to take CCNP courses this fall, so this is really frustrating....

[18:42:47]

michael__:

but, i have to get going, my son needs me

[18:43:22]

michael__:

thanks for trying

[18:43:33]

michael__:

maybe i will be able to get some better logs tonight

[18:43:48]

deeemac:

wagnerrp: so you think that having no tuners in the backend is causing it to break? i think this is the error in the log http://pastebin.com/m1b2828af just does this when trying to watch live tv

[18:44:06]

wagnerrp:

deeemac: i have no idea, and thats the problem

[18:44:12]

wagnerrp:

running a backend with no tuners is untested

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[18:45:15]

deeemac:

k

[18:47:34]

deeemac:

and you say you can run just mythtvjobqueue with out anything else on the box to do the transcoding?

[18:47:44]

wagnerrp:

correct

[18:48:24]

wagnerrp:

now i doubt that is causing the problem

[18:49:14]

deeemac:

its just strange the mbe w/frontend and no tuners works with one secondary, but not two :/

[18:49:15]

wagnerrp:

check the status page on port 6546

[18:49:25]

wagnerrp:

on the MBE

[18:49:37]

wagnerrp:

does it say the remote tuners are connected?

[18:49:44]

th1:

deeemac, there is a dummy tuner module in v4l-dvb, you could always load that module and define a dummy tuner although it won't be able to tune anything ;)

[18:49:50]

wagnerrp:

check your backend logs when your SBEs set up

[18:50:02]

wagnerrp:

it should list off when the SBEs connect to the MBE

[18:50:08]

wagnerrp:

and you might find some errors there

[18:50:27]

wagnerrp:

the SBEs dont have the same names do they?

[18:50:50]

deeemac:

nope, two different names, although they are similar just one has a 1 and the other has a 2 at the end

[18:51:18]

wagnerrp:

that should be all thats necessary

[18:51:32]

wagnerrp:

and they are set to the correct IPs in mythtv-setup?

[18:52:26]

deeemac:

yes, both are set to their external ip

[18:52:33]

deeemac:

they show that they are connecting just fine

[18:52:43]

deeemac:

a couple errors though

[18:53:33]

deeemac:

Unable to query list of Jobs in Queue.): was one

[18:54:29]

deeemac:

wait I see a localhost ip in here, but there is none in the config

[18:54:46]

deeemac:

maybe this is before it was configured

[18:55:17]

wagnerrp:

yeah, it might be worthwhile to shut down everything, delete the logs, and start everything back up

[18:55:21]

wagnerrp:

just to give you clean logs

[18:56:20]

deeemac:

2009-06–09 19:57:30.200 Connecting to master server: 127.0.0.1:6543

[18:56:40]

wagnerrp:

thats a definate problem... except thats yesterday

[18:56:44]

deeemac:

things in the log before it have the correct ip though

[18:57:07]

deeemac:

yeah

[18:57:30]

deeemac:

it's connecting to the right db not the right master backend it looks like

[18:58:10]

deeemac:

2009-06–09 19:48:47.781 Connecting to master server: 10.20.6.10:6543

[18:58:11]

deeemac:

2009-06–09 19:48:47.782 Connected successfully

[18:58:31]

deeemac:

this one was before it, before the 2nd secondary was connected

[18:58:57]

clever:

check the master backend ip in mythtv-setup

[18:59:01]

wagnerrp:

where did you get mythtv?

[18:59:08]

deeemac:

mythbuntu

[18:59:19]

wagnerrp:

well then mythbuntu may be to blame for this one

[18:59:27]

deeemac:

maybe so :(

[18:59:37]

wagnerrp:

when you set up a new backend, it may have reset the master ip to default, 127.0.0.1

[19:00:03]

clever:

check the master backend ip in mythtv-setup

[19:00:12]

wagnerrp:

on any machine, thats a global setting

[19:00:22]

wagnerrp:

individual SBE ips have to be set on the specific machine

[19:01:05]

deeemac:

running mythtv-setup its set to the correct ip

[19:01:11]

deeemac:

the first one is set to the external

[19:01:36]

wagnerrp:

they should both be set to an external IP

[19:01:47]

deeemac:

the 2nd is set to the master backend ip

[19:01:58]

deeemac:

localbackend, masterbackend

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wagnerrp:

close everything and fire it back up, IP changes require a restart of mythbackend

[19:02:39]

deeemac:

oh

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deeemac:

that may be it

[19:02:44]

wagnerrp:

the backend might just not be listening

[19:03:32]

deeemac:

I just rebooted all 3 comps

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deeemac:

heh

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deeemac:

be back in a little bit going to grab some food

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th1:

I made a patch for 0.21 to add an option for default action when backend wants to record on the tuner you're watching on.

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th1:

it shows "Default option when watching Live TV on a tuner needed for recording" and "Time before default option (0 to always use default)"

[20:11:36]

th1:

then if it shows the annoying window it will default to the selceted option or if it's 0 it will not even show the annoying popup

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kormoc:

snazzy

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th1:

yeah but I wonder what to do with it since its for 0.21

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kormoc:

toss it into trac as a patch and see if someone ports it to 0.22 or port it yourself?

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th1:

at least it doesn't change the db schema :)

[20:13:43]

th1:

yeah I guess I'll clean it up and post it

[20:14:02]

th1:

then if I ever find an extra machine so I can play with trunk I will port it

[20:14:12]

th1:

I think it should be easy to port anyway

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th1:

it's not rocket science ;) but was a good start to edit the source

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deeemac:

wagnerrp: it just seemed to start working after the reboot heh

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wagnerrp:

would have probably worked by just restarting the backend

[20:34:16]

deeemac:

probably lol, just the local backend on that server?

[20:34:36]

wagnerrp:

all backends started before the IP change

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deeemac:

k

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wagnerrp:

although a backend without a master would have probably just shut down

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wagnerrp:

all frontends too

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wagnerrp:

those all only check that IP setting once on startup

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deeemac:

the only issue I'm running into is channel changing, because they are composite inputs, it's giving a warning asking for a external script or something

[20:37:52]

wagnerrp:

yes, you need a external channel change script, either controlling an ir blaster, or controlling the STB directly over firewire or serial

[20:38:49]

deeemac:

The thing is I do not need to change the channel, it's currently on the right channel

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wagnerrp:

so you only ever want to record a single channel?

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deeemac:

wagnerrp: yeah

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wagnerrp:

then add a empty script for it to execute

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deeemac:

alright, didn't know it was that easy!

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wagnerrp:

just what are you recording from that you dont need to change the channel?

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wagnerrp:

whoops!

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deeemac:

wagnerrp: well, it's not exactly what mythtv was inteded for :P but it works just fine

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wagnerrp:

im working on some management program for the cluster at work

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deeemac:

wagnerrp: I'm using it to record rooms

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wagnerrp:

and it seemed to be working fine, but segfaulted last night at around midnight, after some 9hrs of operation

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wagnerrp:

i started it up again this afternoon, and just checked it to see it using some 4GB virt

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deeemac:

what do you use yours for at work?

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wagnerrp:

use as far as what?

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kormoc:

recording rooms sounds like something from a sleezy motel...

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i stayed at one of those!

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deeemac:

kormoc: nope

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wagnerrp:

we went down to gatlinburg for my cousin's wedding

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iamlindoro:

/bin/true

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iamlindoro:

the world's simplest channel changer

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wagnerrp:

they had a CCTV camera on the pool/hottub area, run through the hotel's cable system

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wagnerrp:

presumably for watching your kids while youre back in your room

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wagnerrp:

except they had some of what i can only assume to be 'paid entertainment' one night

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clever:

list it under 2 services, both you have to pay for

[20:48:01]

clever:

1 for watching your kids

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clever:

and 1 for the perverts:P

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wagnerrp:

took the staff far too long to respond after some woman decided to go skinny dipping

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kormoc:

and yet, you didn't change the channel...

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** clever lables wagnerrp PERVERT! :P **

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wagnerrp:

even better... my grandma's words

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wagnerrp:

'turn out the lights so they dont see us'

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kormoc:

ha

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wagnerrp:

this was after she had informed us about this man on tv late at night who brings all these naked women onto his show

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kormoc:

when you get to a certain age, all you care about is makin the youngins squirm!

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deeemac:

wagnerrp: http://wiki.cali.org/calicon07/index.php?n=Sessions.346 the university of washing school of law is using mythtv for a recording system for their classes, I'm testing this out to see how it works.

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deeemac:

wagnerrp: so far it works quite well and highly customizable for how you can get video outputs, I have it setup to transcode to flv for web streaming and mp3 for podcasts

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iamlindoro:

Heh, so I have a bit of myth consulting this weekend

[21:15:17]

iamlindoro:

I really should have found out the address before giving the quote

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iamlindoro:

The house is three doors down from Larry Ellison

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wagnerrp:

who is Larry Ellison

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jduggan:

lmfao

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: some sailo

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AndyCap:

r..

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wagnerrp:

ah... hes #4

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wagnerrp:

pricey neighborhood, i guess thats why theyre hiring someone called a 'consultant', rather than 'geeky kid down the street' to install mythtv

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jams:

it's a trap

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

It will certainly be the most expensive house I've even been in, that's for sure

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wagnerrp:

is anyone recording an episode of better off ted tonight?

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wagnerrp:

im set to record an episode on the 23rd

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wagnerrp:

however the episode on the 23rd says it originally aired the 10th

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wagnerrp:

but instead, i have tow hours of Wipeout

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iamlindoro:

I don't have any Better off Ted in my listings at all

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wagnerrp:

shows up on my last day of data

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wagnerrp:

just... odd

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iamlindoro:

ah, I'll likely see it tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

epguides lists it as airing the 23rd as well

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wagnerrp:

and its a tuesday show, not a wednesday show

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why it would say its original air date was the 10th

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wagnerrp:

although that reminds me

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wagnerrp:

i have quite a backlog of crap to clip and store

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iamlindoro:

I recorded a bunch of random stuff in the past few weeks because there's no decent TV right now

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iamlindoro:

mostly to test a few screens on the theme

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kormoc:

Futurama!

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iamlindoro:

Testing certain things is hard when you only ever tend to hav 2 or 3 recordings

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kormoc:

Back from the dead once again!

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Not till next year, heh

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im just recording reruns of stuff i have bad copies of

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wagnerrp:

annoying tickers, bad recordings, weather interruptions...

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iamlindoro:

I think I'll find lots of bugs in the theme triggered by having > 15 recordings

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iamlindoro:

since I never do, I'm not entirely certain how certain layouts look when they fill up :)

[21:44:47]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i was going to ask if thats where you start having to scroll

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, it fills at a dozen

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iamlindoro:

From a cursory look last night, it seemed to be looking correct, but I need to check more closely

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: have you noticed getting a bunch of duplicate special weapons in TF2?

[21:47:21]

kormoc:

Aye, and it's by design

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kormoc:

they mentioned in a blog post that eventually they'll add in a way for you to trade/give your extra special weapons to friends/etc

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ben:

yo guys

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wagnerrp:

ah, i was wondering why in the update two days ago, they added an option to 'discard' weapons, instead of just fixing what i thought was a problem

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Guest21984:

is it perhaps a known issue where you can't view TV until you run mythtv-updates or whatever script the backend setup calls?

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kormoc:

I wonder if discarding will make them pick-upable by others?

[21:49:09]

kormoc:

I haven't played for a little while

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** kormoc wonders why Ben renamed himself to Guest21984 **

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iamlindoro:

He didn't, he used an owned nick

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Guest21984:

kormoc: nickserv lameness

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kormoc:

ahh

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nambo:

kormoc: because he has nick protection enabled, and didn't identify himself within 30 seconds

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kormoc:

I thought nick protection did a kline, oh well

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nambo:

nope

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nambo:

forces you to change your nick to Guest902384902384

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nambo:

whatever

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nambo:

hehe

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Guest21984:

:)

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Guest21984:

i don't get why i have to run mythupdating script tho

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Guest21984:

altho i did have a power failure earlier today

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iamlindoro:

I think you mean mythfilldatabase

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iamlindoro:

and it's likely you're looking at a frontend message and misinterpreting it, pastebin backend logs if you want useful advice

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wilturn:

The situation between schedulesdirect and cable co's QAM listings on cable is pretty cruddy.. I'm not sure how to map these channels without a lot of hand-work.. then of course they just seem to move them around to screw with me

[22:08:07]

iamlindoro:

You can blame the cable co, they intentionally don't signal PSIP data on anything except what they are required to, and won't share the info with Schedules Direcy

[22:08:08]

iamlindoro:

Direct

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iamlindoro:

That said, people are working on various clever solutions to imrpvoe that

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Guest21984:

iamlindoro: cool, rebooting now to see if i can reproduce the problems

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wilturn:

egh the more I read it sounds like it's the cable co as you said.. not surprising I guess.. They are going out of their way to make this clear QAM as crappy as possible it seems

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Guest21984:

anyhow: http://www.gibbed.org/~ben/mythtv.txt

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meshe:

the babelfish just translated to "Buy our STB"

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wilturn:

I buy their STB and everythign about it sucks a fat one. WORST DVR scheduler ever. Seems like the only real answer is a tivo with cablecard (the only palatable cablecard option I can find)

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darkfrog:

Hey guys, I've been having this problem for a very long time and haven't been able to figure out the cause. For some reason when I leave the myth box alone often I come back to it and it's watching tv, in some random screen, or even listening to music. I've formatted and this problem persists....can someone give me a better explanation than my mythbox is possessed? :o

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darkfrog:

I've tried searching google, but unfortunately I'm not even sure what to search for. :o

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wilturn:

hrm.. any irblaster going on darkfrog? maybe a keyboard attached that gets hit somehow?

[22:29:29]

wilturn:

otherwise Im going with ghosts

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meshe:

i didn't say it was a good option, i'm saying that's why they screw with the QAM so much, so you get frustrated and spend $$$ on their STB

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darkfrog:

wilturn: the keyboard, mouse, and remote are all RF

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meshe:

my dog does that to my myth box

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darkfrog:

I have no animals and the keyboard sits on the mythbox when not in use

[22:30:44]

meshe:

could be rf interferance, someone else my have a similar keyboard

[22:30:45]

clever:

darkfrog: get a webcam and start running motion

[22:30:51]

clever:

see if somebody is in the room:P

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wilturn:

oh.. sometimes when my old RF keyboard would wakeup/go to sleep I would get strange input

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darkfrog:

hehe

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nambo:

my dogs don't go near my computers

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darkfrog:

hmmm, maybe I'll remove the RF keyboard/mouse and see if that solves it

[22:31:28]

darkfrog:

thanks for your help

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wilturn:

you could either remove them or just try to dump the data if you wanna check it out

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meshe:

my dog just ends up sitting on the remote ;)

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nambo:

thank god the one just got out of her couch eating phase

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wilturn:

otherwise.. Idk, stock up on garlic and silver bullets

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nambo:

my dogs are very very lazy

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nambo:

until the school down the street gets out, and they have to run outside to bark at the kids going home

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mchou:

wilturn: who is you cable provider?

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mchou:

your*

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wilturn:

I am one of the unfortunate TimeWarner horde in Los Angeles

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mchou:

wilturn: umm, that's too bad

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nambo:

i have timewarner too, it's awful cable

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nambo:

good internet

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wilturn:

lol, here it is all around bad

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mchou:

maybe you still ought to give sctescan a shot though

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mchou:

no, it is not bad all around

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nambo:

i can't get a digital signal right to my box, i'm tired of messing with it

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nambo:

i'll just buy a god damn amplifier

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mchou:

nambo: that's more like due to your incompetence

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mchou:

likely*

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nambo:

i did everything mythtv.org suggested

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nambo:

the documentation is rather complete

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kormoc:

language...

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mchou:

nambo: imagine the # of complaints they'd get from all their customers if they call had no digital reception

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nambo:

my incompetence? i did the scans and got no avis to save

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mchou:

all*

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nambo:

mchou: i just said what it was, before you jumped down my throat

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mchou:

nambo: what did you use to scan?

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wilturn:

I probably shouldn't get my hopes up on QAM getting any better after the dtv transition, but OTA ATSC might get better

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nambo:

never mind, you figure out why i can't get a digital signal on 3 – 4 splits coming into my house

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mchou:

nambo: that's simple

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nambo:

it's pretty obvious

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mchou:

attenuation

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nambo:

very good

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mchou:

we've had this conversationa already

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mchou:

quit yer whining

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nambo:

<yawn>

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nambo:

welcome to the ignore list

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nambo:

egotistical jacka**, pay attention, i know what the problem is and how to solve it, and they have been having issues in my area with signal quality

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nambo:

due to the recent storms, i've had them out here twice

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kormoc:

Guys... it's a head horse, stop beating it...

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nambo:

kormoc: aye... i'm done... heh

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nambo:

just irritating, i have to live with the cable reception i get :P

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nambo:

not that big of a deal though

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mchou:

yeah, your sure done whining like a lil girl

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mchou:

you're*

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XLV:

http://www.dell.com/hybrid nice frontend

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XLV:

i can find it here for 288 euro with 250GB hdd/4GB ram/t5800 2GHz cpu/dvdrw

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quantum__:

I just did a yum update and now I get this error whenever I try to start mythfrontend AudioPulseUtil, Error: Failure to suspend: Invalid argument

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quantum__:

anybody know how to fix this

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quantum__:

yo man anyone out there

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