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[00:38:06] Pontiac: heh.. I love my kids;
[00:38:17] Pontiac: Kid> Daddy, I want juice.
[00:38:22] Pontiac: Me> Can I have juice?
[00:38:29] Pontiac: Kid> Yeah, you can have juice.
[00:38:34] Pontiac: Me> Can I have your juice?
[00:38:47] Pontiac: Kid> No. This is your cup. *points at cup on desk*
[00:38:58] Pontiac: I love it when my 3 year old tells me off. {chuckle}
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[00:46:22] th1: Pontiac, "mine" seems to be a very important word at that age ;)
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[00:46:57] Pontiac: heh. I've got two, and whatever becomes a "MINE" object becomes.. err.. mine?
[00:47:57] th1: "nonononononononono, it's MICE".. :)
[00:48:11] th1: what my daughter said when she was 1.5
[00:48:20] th1: now she's 2.5 and knows it's "mine", not "mice" ;)
[00:48:23] Pontiac: she's gonna be a vet?
[00:48:28] th1: lol
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[01:22:48] darkdrgn2k3: is mythbuntu good for a backend? or should i build a custom backend from like fedora?
[01:23:09] meshe: i use mythbuntu for all of my production myth systems
[01:23:33] meshe: and i swear by it, but my favorite distro is ubuntu
[01:23:48] darkdrgn2k3: i dont like the deb packages personaly.. but
[01:24:00] meshe: try mythdora
[01:24:25] darkdrgn2k3: well which one is better?
[01:24:39] meshe: i don't know, i don't use rpm based systems ;)
[01:24:46] darkdrgn2k3: lol
[01:24:47] cesman: neither, LinHES is the best ;)
[01:25:00] darkdrgn2k3: oh no... dristro religion war!
[01:25:04] meshe: don't listen to him, he wrote linhes
[01:25:11] darkdrgn2k3: lmao
[01:25:19] meshe: ;)
[01:25:26] ** cesman didn't do it alone :) **
[01:25:35] sphery: the best for you is probably the one that's closest to the distro you know best
[01:25:45] elmojo: anyone got opinions on CIFS versus NFS for your media storage?
[01:25:53] meshe: just sayin you may be a bit biased ;)
[01:25:57] darkdrgn2k3: nfs is more linux nativ
[01:26:02] sphery: so if you know Fedora, use MythDora, if you know Ubuntu, use MythBuntu, if you know Arch, use LinHES (did I get that last one right?)
[01:26:05] darkdrgn2k3: so perms and such :)
[01:26:12] elmojo: true
[01:26:15] darkdrgn2k3: i know deb and rpm
[01:26:17] cesman: meshe: no little about it
[01:26:26] meshe: hehe
[01:26:27] cesman: meshe: I can however back it up w/ facts ;)
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[01:27:33] cesman: sphery: yes, LinHES is derived from Arch
[01:27:33] pembo13: is there a way to run mythcommflag at a significantly lower priority?
[01:27:48] sphery: cool... wanted to make sure I'm keeping up with changes :)
[01:28:11] sphery: pembo13: you mean when it's run by the backend?
[01:28:27] pembo13: sphery: yes
[01:28:49] pembo13: it running while shows are being recorded and watched signifanctly increase my changes of a full systme freeze
[01:29:43] sphery: pembo13: in mythtv-setup, there's a setting, "CPU Usage: This setting controls approximately how much CPU jobs in the queue may consume. On 'High', all available CPU time may be used which could cause problems on slower systems." Set it to "Low."
[01:29:44] cesman: pembo13: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13614
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[01:30:01] pembo13: thanks guys
[01:30:18] cesman: you're welcome
[01:30:21] sphery: pembo13: Low will both renice to 17 /and/ will do sleep waits
[01:30:40] sphery: use cesman's approach to go nicer than 17
[01:30:42] pembo13: sphery: sweet, cool
[01:31:01] sphery: but, you may also want to ensure you're running with an appropriate kernel scheduling algo
[01:31:03] cesman: wasn't my approach...rather a KnoppMyth user
[01:31:14] sphery: well, the approach you mentioned :)
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[01:32:01] sphery: pembo13: if you have a misconfigured kernel, it will cause all sorts of problems: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Prebuffering_pause . . . onfiguration
[01:32:39] pembo13: sphery: if it's misconfigured, it's fedora's fault.. will check that link in a few mins
[01:32:57] sphery: I'm guessing that it should be OK... Most distros have figured it out, now.
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[01:36:37] sphery: pembo13: note, also, if you have CGROUP_SCHED (versus GROUP_SCHED and USER_SCHED), you can use a combination of it and inotify to reallocate CPU share at an /extremely/ precise level--i.e. on mythcommflag process creation (which you can determine using inotify and /sys) allocate a sufficiently-small cpu.share to the process... Actual scripts are left as an exercise for the reader. :)
[01:37:15] pembo13: sphery: hmm, i'll have to google that
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[01:43:26] sphery: pembo13: for the high-level overview (without the inotify stuff), see the end of /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/Documentation/scheduler/sched-design-CFS.txt
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[02:25:43] pembo13: suffered another freeze before i had time lower the priority
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[02:27:28] Wicked: hello all. ive currently got a pv5–150 and im using a sci atl digital cable box from comcast with svideo from the box to the card. im curious if i can get better picture quality from a different card?
[02:27:51] phunyguy: the quality isnt from the card
[02:27:56] phunyguy: its from the svideo.
[02:28:04] phunyguy: which is analog
[02:28:04] pembo13: sphery: i already have my settings to low
[02:28:13] phunyguy: digital cable is irrelevant
[02:28:36] Wicked: so whats the best way to go?
[02:28:47] phunyguy: if you are trying to get better quality?
[02:28:56] Wicked: yea
[02:29:01] phunyguy: what other plugs are on the cable box?
[02:29:21] Wicked: i think just svideo and normal old composite
[02:29:27] phunyguy: then you are hosed.
[02:29:38] phunyguy: quality wont get any better
[02:29:41] Wicked: yea. thats what i figured.
[02:29:44] sphery: pembo13: sounds like a hardware issue--like overheating when under extreme load... You should concentrate on fixing that
[02:29:48] Wicked: i just didnt know if i was missing something
[02:29:49] clever: enless he uses a true digital card, and skips the entire box
[02:29:52] pembo13: even with the CPU set to 'Low' mythcommflag consumes a large percent of CPU when it's running
[02:29:57] phunyguy: yes clever
[02:29:59] phunyguy: but
[02:30:04] phunyguy: what about encrypted channels
[02:30:06] Wicked: clever, then i wont be able to get premium channels
[02:30:06] phunyguy: :-/
[02:30:19] clever: Wicked: get the encrypted ones thru the low quality analog connection
[02:30:22] pembo13: sphery: i suppose i should... however the fans don't go any faster... normally when the machine is under load, i hear the fans rev up
[02:30:25] clever: and everything else in true digital
[02:30:33] sphery: pembo13: I had a backend that would do that (only once every couple of months)--was a mobo with a space heater for a chipset... replaced the mobo and it's been rock-solid stable ever since
[02:30:36] phunyguy: i, however have premium channels unencrypted thanks to the local smalltown cable company that loves me
[02:30:44] Wicked: lucky you
[02:30:52] phunyguy: cant switch to them yet
[02:30:59] phunyguy: 6 more months on my dish network contract
[02:31:04] phunyguy: then im golden
[02:31:04] Wicked: what kinda card is recomended for capping digital tv?
[02:31:06] pembo13: sphery: ok... i see your point.. just saying that i can normally tell when the CPU is getting hot as the CPU fan kicks up
[02:31:25] phunyguy: i had a DViCO Fusion 5 that was good
[02:31:32] phunyguy: that does HD
[02:31:33] Wicked: and will the quality be worth buying an additional card?
[02:31:43] phunyguy: probably not
[02:31:51] Wicked: ah
[02:32:46] phunyguy: it will still be 4:3 res
[02:32:49] sphery: pembo13: yeah, could be other things, too--like bad memory, or even bad power--hardware issues are the hardest to track down (and take a /lot/ of careful testing and a /lot/ of time)
[02:32:50] phunyguy: if its SD cable
[02:33:06] pembo13: sphery: ok
[02:33:19] sphery: anyway, your system shouldn't be locking hard ever
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[02:33:38] phunyguy: mine was cutting to black screen recently
[02:33:43] pembo13: sphery: the LOW setting doen't seem to have much effect on mythcommflag, CPU percentage wise
[02:33:44] sphery: if it is, the best results come from fixing that--if you can figure out why it's doing it :)
[02:33:48] phunyguy: and Video card fan would kick up
[02:33:57] phunyguy: ended up being that card
[02:33:58] jblack: running out of memory can do that, or if your swap partition is on a corrupted part of a hard drive, that can cause a hard death too.
[02:34:08] pembo13: sphery: yah well... i'm no kernel hacker, and the logs have little to no info
[02:34:10] Wicked: yea its just sd cable. i had tried hdtv and capping using firewire....but it was to sporatic...it would work somedays at 5pm-1am then other days it wouldnt work at all...somedays it would work at 1am-4am...so i dropped the hdtv
[02:34:25] phunyguy: yeah
[02:34:32] phunyguy: i got lucky here
[02:34:33] Wicked: most of the time ive hard locking up issues its been memory. run memtest overnight
[02:34:42] phunyguy: hopefully they stick with the unencrypted for a while here
[02:34:49] Wicked: yea
[02:34:55] Wicked: i have comcast.
[02:35:06] Wicked: so...yea...i was screwed before i even tried ;0
[02:35:13] sphery: pembo13: yeah, a lot of times I go with the easier (but more expensive) approach of just randomly replacing hardware (of course, it helps that I have tons of computers/extra parts around the house)
[02:36:00] pembo13: sphery: yah... my desktop rig is uncharacteristically old, for me, but i have some changes in priority these days
[02:36:22] sphery: yeah
[02:36:53] sphery: not much you can do to lower CPU usage from LOW, though, other than hacking the source and changing the sleep time to a larger value
[02:38:30] pembo13: sphery: aiight.. i'll have to set aside some time and take apart and dust out the rig.. been putting it off
[02:42:54] sphery: pembo13: looks like it sleeps for 10000 usecs between frames when using low, so if you cranked it to 20K or 50K, it might help... programs/mythcommflag/ClassicCommDetector.cpp line 390
[02:43:21] sphery: or, if you don't care how long commflag takes, 100K
[02:43:29] pembo13: sphery: thanks.. i'll attempt that if cleaning doesn't help
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[02:43:55] pembo13: sphery: it's nice to have... just not as useful when another program is interrupted because of a freeze
[02:44:40] wagnerrp: meaning commflagging runs at best 100fps?
[02:45:07] sphery: only if using low for "CPU Usage" (backend settings)
[02:45:53] sphery: If you put it at Medium, it will just run at nice 10 with no sleeps
[02:46:07] sphery: If you put it at High, it just runs at 0 nice with no sleeps
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[03:27:34] Pontiac: I can't get ENOUGH of watching TV on my PC. ..err.. well.. recorded stuff anyways, which is PERFECT for me.
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[03:31:45] SHADOW_V: J-e-f-f-A, you there
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[03:34:36] SHADOW_V: I plan to use a mbp as a windowed fe what processor should i get
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[03:40:17] SHADOW_V: would a 200mhz difference from a 2.8ghz c2d to a 3.06ghz make that much of a difference on demanding video
[03:40:27] SHADOW_V: on osx
[03:43:46] kormoc: Depends on the video and what's playing it back
[03:44:15] SHADOW_V: i plan on recording from either firewire hdpvr or qam
[03:44:37] SHADOW_V: i know for a fact i will be doing qam as far as firewire and hdpvr goes it all depends on what i can get over firewire
[03:45:36] SHADOW_V: aside from that i would be streaming the video to a mbp with a geforce 9400 and a geforce 9600 using mythtv frontend on osx
[03:45:54] SHADOW_V: am i missing something?
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[03:46:54] kormoc: I don't know if myth uses OSX playback software or not
[03:47:34] SHADOW_V: hmm ok i am trying to see if osx supports gpu h.264 acceleration
[03:47:36] SHADOW_V: it might
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[04:45:49] SHADOW_V: anyone with a mac here
[04:46:54] kormoc: Yes
[04:47:11] SHADOW_V: what gpu
[04:47:15] wagnerrp: im going to assume you get no hardware acceleration on a MAC
[04:47:41] kormoc: 8800gt
[04:47:50] SHADOW_V: wagnerrp, from what i have been reading the 9400 series and up support gpu acceleration
[04:47:59] wagnerrp: but its not going to be VDPAU
[04:47:59] SHADOW_V: and if not i am sure snow leopard will support it
[04:48:02] SHADOW_V: right
[04:48:04] wagnerrp: so myth will not know how to use it
[04:48:13] SHADOW_V: ok so then cpu is on for that
[04:48:30] wagnerrp: the quartz renderer may be updated in the future to support hardware decoding
[04:48:34] wagnerrp: but i doubt it has it now
[04:48:38] SHADOW_V: the reason why i am asking so much is because i am going to buy one and depending on what i hear here i might get the fastest cpu
[04:48:45] wagnerrp: otherwise, the Mac frontend would be getting a LOT more attention
[04:48:51] SHADOW_V: right
[04:49:11] SHADOW_V: 10.6 has a push to have much more things run on the gpu
[04:49:15] SHADOW_V: so who knows maybe
[04:49:22] SHADOW_V: but for the time being we are going with no
[04:49:29] wagnerrp: damn you five disk blade runner
[04:49:34] SHADOW_V: heh
[04:49:37] wagnerrp: i have to choose what editions i want to keep on disk
[04:49:40] kormoc: wagnerrp, there is a quartz output method on OSX, but I don't know if it's accelerated or not
[04:50:10] wagnerrp: kormoc: yeah, mentioned the quartz renderer
[04:51:09] wagnerrp: i just realized... theres no reason for me to be using the AnyDVD ripper
[04:51:21] wagnerrp: because the files are going to show up exactly the same in the drive itself
[04:51:28] SHADOW_V: hmm
[04:51:43] SHADOW_V: so should i go for 2.8ghz or 3.06
[04:51:50] SHADOW_V: its 300 more for 3.06
[04:52:10] SHADOW_V: i would go for 2.66 but i realized that the 9600 in there only has 256mb of ram i rather have 512
[04:52:27] wagnerrp: theres probably nothing a 306 could do that a 280 couldnt
[04:52:53] kormoc: I have 8x2.8 and it doesn't trip up on any video (so far)
[04:53:04] wagnerrp: well thats almost cheating there
[04:53:12] SHADOW_V: only 8 cores huh
[04:53:25] kormoc: Yeah, I know I wimped out
[04:53:39] SHADOW_V: ya know with snow leopard you can have 16tb of ram
[04:53:43] SHADOW_V: i know i need it
[04:53:54] kormoc: you can with all the 64 bit OS X's
[04:54:10] kormoc: now, getting the 4tb sticks is another problem
[04:54:29] SHADOW_V: right
[04:54:37] SHADOW_V: well i am going for 4gb of ram
[04:54:43] SHADOW_V: i dont really think i need more
[04:54:48] wagnerrp: what for? i doubt there will ever be a single snow leopard machine to run anywhere near 16tb
[04:55:06] kormoc: if it's a mac pro, go with the two and buy a set of 2 gb sticks, end up with 6 gb way cheaper then apple's 4
[04:55:08] SHADOW_V: maybe crazy movie stuff ?
[04:55:10] wagnerrp: there are no SSI implementations for XServes are there?
[04:55:17] kormoc: nope
[04:55:57] wagnerrp: so by the time snow leopard gets replaced, the max you will see in a Mac will probably be in the low hundreds of GB
[04:56:39] wagnerrp: i think there are some Dells that are basically 4 CPUs and a board full of memory slots, capable of taking 192
[04:56:40] SHADOW_V: its being replaced in september
[04:56:49] kormoc: I doubt that
[04:57:13] kormoc: if it's getting replaced in september, that's the fastest end of life ever
[04:57:34] SHADOW_V: hmm
[04:57:35] SHADOW_V: Built for smooth playback.
[04:57:35] SHADOW_V: QuickTime X is optimized for the latest modern media formats – such as H.264 and AAC – through a new media architecture that delivers stutter-free playback of high-definition content on nearly all Snow Leopard-based Mac systems. QuickTime X maximizes the efficiency of modern media playback by using the graphics processor to scale and display video. QuickTime X further increases efficiency by supporting GPU-accelerated video
[04:57:35] SHADOW_V: decoding of H.264 files.
[04:57:36] wagnerrp: when did it get released?
[04:57:41] kormoc: it's not out yet
[04:57:47] SHADOW_V: its not fully released
[04:58:08] SHADOW_V: http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/08/mac-os-x- . . . opard-users/
[04:58:15] kormoc: it's due for release in september iirc, so having it replaced the same month is absurd
[04:58:33] SHADOW_V: what do you mean by having it replaced
[04:58:48] SHADOW_V: as the most used?
[04:58:51] kormoc: being replaced with the next version
[04:59:14] SHADOW_V: ah ok
[04:59:23] kormoc: wagnerrp said by the time the next version of OS X after snow leopard is out, low hundreds of gb ram will be the max, and you said it'd be replaced this september...
[04:59:39] SHADOW_V: oh ok
[04:59:43] SHADOW_V: right i was really wrong
[05:00:04] SHADOW_V: but according to what i posted snow leopard will support gpu accelerated h.264
[05:00:12] SHADOW_V: http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/#quicktimex
[05:00:35] wagnerrp: snowleopard will support it, but it is yet to be seen HOW it will support it
[05:00:49] SHADOW_V: right
[05:00:50] kormoc: so code up support and submit patches!
[05:00:56] wagnerrp: whether or not other applications will be able to tap into the quicktime decoding libraries
[05:01:05] SHADOW_V: kormoc, if i knew how to i def would
[05:01:06] wagnerrp: or if quicktime itself will use some generic decoding libraries
[05:01:31] SHADOW_V: if someone could assist me along the way i def would because it would benefit me and alot of others
[05:01:59] SHADOW_V: so what would you guys recommend 2.8ghz or 3.06ghz
[05:02:22] SHADOW_V: i am getting new toy excitement
[05:04:06] SHADOW_V: but i do want to help out which reminds me another email to stoth
[05:04:33] wagnerrp: worthless Transformers disk
[05:05:04] SHADOW_V: i will take em
[05:05:07] wagnerrp: the first disk has a teaser, and the trailer to iron man
[05:05:16] SHADOW_V: hmm
[05:05:40] wagnerrp: the second disk has.... i dont know because the 'user guide' has a picture howto of plugging your ethernet cable into your HDDVD player, followed by ads for other HDDVDs
[05:06:27] SHADOW_V: heh
[05:06:29] SHADOW_V: nice
[05:06:34] SHADOW_V: always useful
[05:06:36] wagnerrp: the blade runner insert has been the only one worth keeping so far
[05:06:47] wagnerrp: out of some 20 or so movies
[05:07:00] SHADOW_V: hmm hddvd are useless to me i have no bluray or hddvd player
[05:07:15] wagnerrp: but you have a hard drive, and mythtv
[05:07:21] SHADOW_V: yes i do
[05:07:38] wagnerrp: and soon possibly a computer actually capable of playing them
[05:08:00] SHADOW_V: well i have a good fe/be thats powerful enough
[05:08:03] wagnerrp: the hard drive space costs more than the movies themselves
[05:08:10] SHADOW_V: right
[05:08:28] SHADOW_V: so wagnerrp would you get 2.8ghz or 3.06ghz
[05:08:39] wagnerrp: and thats at ~$0.10/GB
[05:08:40] SHADOW_V: and yeah i want a laptop that i can stream recorded hd to
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[05:09:02] SHADOW_V: 10cents a gb is good stuff
[05:09:02] wagnerrp: well recorded HD is pretty trivial anymore
[05:09:20] SHADOW_V: triviall anymore?
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[05:09:50] wagnerrp: any normal processor built in the last couple years can decode broadcast mpeg2
[05:10:09] wagnerrp: thats not including very low power mobile chips
[05:10:23] SHADOW_V: hmm ok
[05:10:41] SHADOW_V: so i wont have a problem with any choice
[05:10:50] SHADOW_V: eh decisions decisions
[05:11:03] wagnerrp: just dont go below ~1.6GHz, and dont get an Atom
[05:11:28] SHADOW_V: no the slowest ill go is 2.8ghz
[05:11:29] wagnerrp: Ath64 and Core2 chips above that limit should have no problem
[05:11:37] wagnerrp: thats a bit fast for a laptop
[05:11:47] wagnerrp: somewhere around there, it stops being a laptop
[05:11:50] SHADOW_V: but i am debating wheather i should splurge and get the 3.06ghz
[05:12:03] wagnerrp: and becomes a SFF desktop with an integrated screen and UPS
[05:12:17] SHADOW_V: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ma . . . mco=NzUyMzg0
[05:12:22] SHADOW_V: 7hrs batt life
[05:12:24] SHADOW_V: :D
[05:12:53] wagnerrp: i call shenanigans
[05:13:03] SHADOW_V: why
[05:13:03] wagnerrp: not unless half the inside of that thing is battery
[05:13:07] SHADOW_V: yeah
[05:13:12] SHADOW_V: 73 watt hr battery
[05:13:26] wagnerrp: hell, thats tiny
[05:13:45] SHADOW_V: Built-in 73-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery
[05:13:48] wagnerrp: my laptop has a 60Wh battery, and i got that 8 years ago
[05:14:03] SHADOW_V: my 17inch dell 9400 has a 80wh
[05:14:10] SHADOW_V: i can easily get 4hrs with it
[05:14:19] SHADOW_V: 5 hours doing nothing
[05:14:21] wagnerrp: right, 80hrs
[05:14:23] kormoc: wagnerrp, it practically is half the laptop, http://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-content/upload . . . -580x435.jpg
[05:14:26] wagnerrp: err... 4 hrs
[05:14:44] wagnerrp: i mean my laptop, an old mobile P3
[05:14:45] kormoc: and that's the 17", the 13.3" is half the laptop
[05:15:01] wagnerrp: with wireless turned off, backlight down to nothing, spare parts removed, and idling
[05:15:06] SHADOW_V: i want a mbp 15
[05:15:06] wagnerrp: gets about 8–10W usage
[05:15:12] SHADOW_V: lol
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[05:15:19] kormoc: wagnerrp, yeah, but that's a cell based battery pack, much higher density with the lithium ion
[05:15:26] clever: wagnerrp: xset dpms force off
[05:15:28] SHADOW_V: how do you know its using 10 watts
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[05:15:30] SHADOW_V: what do you use
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[05:15:41] wagnerrp: windows, thinkpad gave me a batter monitor
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[05:15:50] clever: i use powertop under linux
[05:15:53] wagnerrp: in linux, i can access it in /proc/acpi
[05:15:58] SHADOW_V: in windows?
[05:16:16] SHADOW_V: i used to use nhc but it doesnt want to run under windows 7
[05:17:37] wagnerrp: anyway, a MUCH faster processor, 10x the memory, big ass hard drive, two video cards (the slower of which i know draws at least a couple watts idling)
[05:17:47] wagnerrp: i cannot believe they can get it down to 10W consumption
[05:17:56] wagnerrp: not unless the screen is completely off
[05:18:08] SHADOW_V: led screen helps lower consumtion
[05:18:12] SHADOW_V: and penryn too
[05:18:28] kormoc: wagnerrp, erm, they specify that it's brightness at 50%, in 'power savings mode' doing web browsing with safari or word proscessing with iword
[05:18:28] SHADOW_V: also i know someone with an older mb that easily still gets 5 hrs
[05:18:36] SHADOW_V: and thats with the smaller batter
[05:19:08] clever: i used to get several hours of battery life on my c600 laptop
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[05:19:13] clever: i dont even get 1 second now
[05:19:19] wagnerrp: seems nvidia claims 12W TDP on the 9400M
[05:19:23] clever: the age of the battery effects it alot
[05:19:32] wagnerrp: age, not so much
[05:19:34] wagnerrp: its the cycles
[05:19:42] SHADOW_V: new battery supports 1000
[05:19:44] SHADOW_V: :)
[05:19:44] clever: or lack of cycles?
[05:19:53] clever: wagnerrp: i left it on charge pretty much 24/7
[05:20:06] SHADOW_V: so whats actually better charging it every chance you get or power cycling it once a month or all the time
[05:20:18] SHADOW_V: let it go to 10percent or 0 then fully charging?
[05:20:21] wagnerrp: clever: technically, youre supposed to remove the battery at partial charge if youre going to put it in long term storage
[05:20:39] wagnerrp: SHADOW_V: letting a li-ion or li-poly go to 0% is VERY BAD
[05:20:42] clever: wagnerrp: what if i never store it and use it daily?
[05:20:51] wagnerrp: you damage the cells letting it go that low
[05:20:51] clever: and allmost never use it on battery
[05:21:16] SHADOW_V: wagnerrp, ok so what is the proper way to prolong the life of a li-poly
[05:21:27] wagnerrp: well then thats your fault for not taking proper care of your battery
[05:21:56] wagnerrp: same thing as li-ion, dont let it discharge beyond 10–15%
[05:22:12] wagnerrp: remove it if youre going to leave the laptop plugged in without cycling it for more than a couple days
[05:22:34] SHADOW_V: well i cant remove the battery in the mbp
[05:22:45] wagnerrp: anyway, i was stupid with my first battery, ran unacceptably low on juice after about 100 cycles
[05:22:49] SHADOW_V: but so if its 50 percent should i just charge it or let it go down
[05:22:55] wagnerrp: ive gotten 300–400 cycles out of the last couple
[05:23:04] SHADOW_V: yeah same thing with my first battery
[05:23:07] SHADOW_V: killed it
[05:23:20] wagnerrp: well just dont let it go empty
[05:23:32] clever: wagnerrp: the power plug on my d630 laptop is very loose
[05:23:38] clever: falls out if you look at it sideways
[05:23:41] wagnerrp: and if youre not going to be using the laptop for a while, turn it off and unplug it
[05:23:43] SHADOW_V: ok so charge it whenever i get the chance but dont let it dip lower than 20 percent and it should last along time
[05:23:50] clever: leaving the battery out with that isnt very safe:S
[05:23:51] SHADOW_V: alright sounds good
[05:24:07] SHADOW_V: clever, solder time
[05:24:37] clever: its the company laptop
[05:24:52] SHADOW_V: hmm decisions decisions 2.8 get it tomorrow save 300 bucks 3.06 spend 300 and get it most likely by the end of the week
[05:24:58] wagnerrp: basically, discharging a li-ion cell damages it... and since the cells wont all discharge evenly, youll get areas on some of the cells that are depleted while you still have a fair bit of total battery left
[05:25:15] wagnerrp: which is why you start damaging them once you get within a coupld %
[05:25:38] SHADOW_V: right according to the mac video they have some electronics that make it wear evenly
[05:25:39] kormoc: luckly apple has designed some intelligence into their batteries and they monitor that
[05:25:52] clever: but how does charging it for 2 weeks also damage it?
[05:26:03] Pontiac: SHADOW_V> Get the freebee and see if it does what you need. If it does, you save $300. If not, then spend the coin.
[05:26:03] SHADOW_V: heat kills batteries
[05:26:09] wagnerrp: because youre constantly topping it off, its always under load
[05:26:09] kormoc: because you're discharging and charging the same section?
[05:26:23] SHADOW_V: Pontiac, what freebee?
[05:26:28] kormoc: Pontiac, he can't upgrade post purchase
[05:26:34] Pontiac: I thought the 2.8 was free?
[05:26:38] SHADOW_V: nope
[05:26:40] wagnerrp: its not that youre really damaging it, youre just continuing to use it, even though youre on shore power
[05:26:44] Pontiac: Musta missed some of the scroll back. ;)
[05:26:56] Pontiac: Is 200mhz really worth $300?
[05:27:03] clever: wagnerrp: it would help greatly if i had a 2nd battery module
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[05:27:12] kormoc: 200 mhz isn't, but 206mhz is!
[05:27:18] clever: then i could switch back and forth between them, while plugged in
[05:27:19] SHADOW_V: Pontiac, yeah i am starting to think not
[05:27:20] clever: and cycle both modules
[05:27:25] wagnerrp: my second battery burns out very quickly
[05:27:33] SHADOW_V: kormoc, so dont spend the money your saying
[05:27:37] wagnerrp: because my computer lets it drain completely before switching over
[05:27:44] clever: ah
[05:27:46] clever: and kills it!
[05:27:52] SHADOW_V: wagnerrp, power cycling on ibm?
[05:28:02] clever: it would be better to not wire the cells in series
[05:28:11] clever: so the laptop can drain each cell selectively
[05:28:12] wagnerrp: SHADOW_V: whats the question?
[05:28:27] wagnerrp: clever: or just have the battery itself decide what is best
[05:28:39] SHADOW_V: get 2.8ghz cpu or spend 300 extra and get 3.06ghz
[05:28:40] clever: wagnerrp: yeah, either do that complex stuff in the battery or laptop
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[05:29:12] clever: seems simpler to not reproduce that part 2000 times though
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[05:29:48] wagnerrp: what percentage of laptop users do you think ever replace the battery?
[05:29:57] wagnerrp: when their battery craps out... oh, its time for a new laptop
[05:29:58] clever: ahh yeah:S
[05:30:11] Pontiac: The same people that leave their notebook plugged in 100% of the time?
[05:30:17] SHADOW_V: wagnerrp, unless they are dell owners and had to replace it in less than a year
[05:30:23] wagnerrp: especially mac users who have to disassemble their computer, and buy an aftermarket battery
[05:30:35] kormoc: meh, just take it to the apple store and have them replace it
[05:30:39] SHADOW_V: wagnerrp, you can buy a replacement battery from apple
[05:30:49] SHADOW_V: and if my battery died i would replace it
[05:31:00] wagnerrp: ah, didnt know they would do that
[05:31:16] Pontiac: SHADOW_V> Next question is, do you spend $300 on a new battery, or take that $300 and put some extra into a newer, faster machine?
[05:31:34] wagnerrp: $300? mine were less than half that
[05:31:36] kormoc: wagnerrp, for as much as Apple locks things down, they do actually help keep things in the field and going
[05:31:41] clever: if you put the complex part to spread the load evenly into the laptop, you could make the battery module cheaper
[05:31:59] SHADOW_V: Pontiac, i cant get a new battery the battery in built in and its can already get 7hrs and yeah i could use a new vid card on my desktop
[05:32:29] wagnerrp: clever: were talking about a $0.20 circuitboard and microcontroller on a $150 part
[05:32:36] Pontiac: I'm too tired to forumlate a rebuttle to that wagnerrp. heh
[05:32:38] clever: wagnerrp: ahh:S
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[05:33:35] kormoc: Every cent adds up!
[05:33:47] Pontiac: Since I'm too tired, I'm gonna hit the sack after a bag of popcorn.
[05:34:03] SHADOW_V: redesign circuitboard so it can be built for .10 cents!
[05:34:19] clever: SHADOW_V: but keep selling it for 20 :P
[05:34:27] SHADOW_V: yup
[05:36:52] SHADOW_V: anyone setup a fe on an appletv
[05:37:19] wagnerrp: SHADOW_V: i understand its a fruitless endeavor
[05:37:30] wagnerrp: not going to get you anything beyond standard definition
[05:37:32] SHADOW_V: hmm really that bad?
[05:38:12] wagnerrp: its a 1GHz chip derived off the original Pentium-M/Centrino
[05:38:36] SHADOW_V: hmm
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[05:38:47] SHADOW_V: but you can play hd on it
[05:38:53] SHADOW_V: just not 1080p
[05:38:59] wagnerrp: its good enough for the couple Mbps 720p clips that apple puts out
[05:39:25] wagnerrp: which use CAVLC, and some other options to reduce processor demand
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[05:39:42] SHADOW_V: hmm
[05:40:11] SHADOW_V: i can put something else on it and stream from the intertubes
[05:40:12] wagnerrp: the entire rest of the industry uses CABAC, which gives much better quality, at about 30–40% more processor consumption
[05:40:21] SHADOW_V: ah ok
[05:40:44] wagnerrp: so you might manage 3mbps CAVLC, or 2mbps CABAC (h264)
[05:40:55] wagnerrp: or maybe 8–10mbps mpeg2
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[05:41:41] wagnerrp: so you can do just about any SD, but youre limited to fairly low quality HD
[05:42:22] SHADOW_V: right
[05:42:38] SHADOW_V: i wanted to really test out boxee on there honestly
[05:42:55] SHADOW_V: i will use mythtv for production and rely on that
[05:43:05] SHADOW_V: its just something i want to test out
[05:43:11] wagnerrp: a minimac is supposed to make a fairly decent frontend
[05:43:22] wagnerrp: but you can get a lot more power in one of those
[05:43:41] SHADOW_V: yeah i am sure
[05:44:19] SHADOW_V: except if i dont spend the 300 i was going to spend on a cpu i can get a apple tv for about the same price and test out boxee
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[05:44:28] SHADOW_V: i already have a good frontend
[05:45:38] SHADOW_V: but very true a mac mini is pretty cheap and small
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[05:52:50] ServerSage: Will an AMD Bisbane 1.9GHz dual core + an NVidia 6600 video card play back HD content?
[05:53:01] ServerSage: Oops, Brisbane.  :)
[05:53:04] wagnerrp: depends on what HD content you want to play back
[05:53:51] ServerSage: wagnerrp: The HD I'm pulling off my DCT-6200 seems to be mostly 720P, and a few 1080i.
[05:54:12] SHADOW_V: all i know is maybe
[05:54:18] ServerSage: lol
[05:54:42] wagnerrp: anything youre going to pull off US tv will be mpeg2, peaking a little better than 19mbps
[05:54:49] wagnerrp: that chip will have no problem handling that
[05:55:53] ServerSage: Aaah, so if I switched at some point to something pulling down h264, then I might run into problems?
[05:56:27] wagnerrp: that chip could probably do ~7mbps h264 per core
[05:56:51] wagnerrp: which is going to fall far short of blu-ray h264
[05:57:14] ServerSage: wagnerrp: I assume by "that chip" you mean the CPU, not the NVidia?
[05:57:15] wagnerrp: it might be able to manage vc-1 once the ffmpeg-mt stuff gets finished up and added in
[05:57:29] wagnerrp: the 6600 will do partial mpeg2 offload, that is all
[06:01:37] ServerSage: Since it's simply mpeg2 stuff that I'm playing, a pretty slow PC should be able to play it, right? Currently I have an AMD XP 2600+ (2GHz) with an FX5200. Any chance?
[06:02:08] ServerSage: I'm not looking to play blueray bit rates or anything.
[06:05:42] wagnerrp: my sister's AthXP 1.4 is just on the edge of being able to play 17mbps 1080i recordings
[06:06:02] wagnerrp: but this is on windows, so i dont know how that compares to mythtv
[06:06:18] SHADOW_V: worse
[06:06:37] wagnerrp: but a 2GHz AthXP should have little trouble
[06:06:51] wagnerrp: my 2GHz Ath64 never had a problem
[06:07:10] ServerSage: Guess there is only one way to find out I guess. Thanks for the boost wagnerrp.
[06:07:45] wagnerrp: if nothing else, you can always try to get xvmc working on that FX card
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[06:08:32] SHADOW_V: whats the difference between xvmc and xv
[06:08:46] wagnerrp: Xv is basic video playback
[06:09:04] wagnerrp: processor handles decoding, hardware handles scaling and color conversions
[06:09:14] SHADOW_V: ok
[06:09:18] wagnerrp: XvMC ads motion compensation offloading
[06:09:32] SHADOW_V: ah ok so its preferable to use xvmc over xv
[06:09:37] wagnerrp: so it will take a good chunk of the mpeg2 decoding
[06:09:39] wagnerrp: not so
[06:09:48] wagnerrp: xvmc is very limiting in other ways
[06:09:57] wagnerrp: so if you dont need xvmc, its better that you dont use it
[06:10:55] SHADOW_V: hmm oh ok
[06:15:14] ServerSage: wagnerrp: You bloody genius. It wouldn't play at first (mythfrontend would use 100% of the CPU, and I wouldn't get any picture or sound). Enabling xvmc did the trick though.
[06:16:01] wagnerrp: im surprised that chip wouldnt play it directly
[06:16:41] ServerSage: wagnerrp: Perhaps I have a seperate issue. I selected something I knew to be 720P pulled off the firewire, and the screen went black, mythfrontend used 100% of the CPU, and it just sat there.
[06:17:22] ServerSage: wagnerrp: Does seem odd, with xvmc enabled it's only using 40% of the CPU to play the video.
[06:17:24] SHADOW_V: my 2.3ghz amd x2 45watt chip plays 720p fine
[06:17:43] ServerSage: SHADOW_V: Isn't the X2 dual core?
[06:17:47] SHADOW_V: yes
[06:17:53] wagnerrp: yes, its also a much newer core
[06:17:59] ServerSage: SHADOW_V: Thanks for a totally useless comparison. :)
[06:17:59] SHADOW_V: yup
[06:18:03] SHADOW_V: :)
[06:18:04] SHADOW_V: any time
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[06:18:24] ServerSage: Your X2 is about 3 years newer than my XP+. lol
[06:18:33] wagnerrp: mpeg2 decoding is single core, so on a frontend only machine, single core vs. dual core is largely meaningless
[06:18:46] wagnerrp: a backend may be doing other stuff in the background
[06:18:54] wagnerrp: like trying to commflag said recording
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[06:19:07] ServerSage: wagnerrp: Is there any reason to monkey with this to get it working without xvmc?
[06:19:40] wagnerrp: i know you have some OSD restrictions when you use xvmc
[06:20:32] ServerSage: wagnerrp: That doesn't bother me. For now, I guess I'll just live with it the way it is. I wanna get one of those tiny Atom based systems later this year.
[06:21:02] wagnerrp: an Atom system is worthless
[06:21:28] wagnerrp: a dual core chip may manage HD mpeg2 when ffmpeg-mt gets merged
[06:21:39] wagnerrp: but the single core wont do anything but standard definition
[06:22:01] wagnerrp: now the ION systems (atom + 9400M) do all the decoding inside the video card
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[06:22:20] ServerSage: wagnerrp: ION was actually what I meant. My bad.
[06:22:24] wagnerrp: all thats left for the CPU to do is audio decoding
[06:23:29] SHADOW_V: what if its 7channel
[06:23:31] SHADOW_V: can it handle that
[06:23:34] SHADOW_V: :)
[06:23:45] ServerSage: SHADOW_V: Yes.
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[06:24:48] wagnerrp: any P2 revision probably has enough power to decode any audio you may run up against
[06:25:08] wagnerrp: P1 would be a bit iffy on the newer high bitrate, multichannel audio
[06:25:32] ServerSage: wagnerrp: Thanks again man, I'm gonna go enjoy some HD goodness.
[06:26:00] SHADOW_V: thanks wagnerrp for the help as well
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[10:05:56] th1: if I have my slave backend use the same storage (via smbfs) and I have Master backend override enabled then will the master backend look in all its directories for the files?
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[10:44:18] rooaus: Hmmm, mouse keys seem like a great idea... especially if you know the feature exists and that is why your number pad has not been f'ing working.
[10:45:38] clever: i never knew it existed until i found the page in the win 95 manual by chance
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[12:59:05] messerting: hi, I'm giving the svn version a shot, but I'm not sure what -devel rpms I need to install in order to get any video out support
[12:59:14] messerting: I'm on Fedora 11
[13:00:03] messerting: for example, I assume I need x11 support, but ./configure .... says "x11 support no"
[13:00:55] messerting: hm, maybe xv is all I need – ignore this...
[13:01:32] Essobi: Morning all.
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[13:12:46] k-man: can i tell from the logs what file a particular recording was saved to?
[13:14:48] messerting: k-man: You might want to look at /usr/share/doc/mythtv-docs-0.*/contrib/mythrename.pl
[13:15:02] messerting: it will make sensible names for the files
[13:15:11] messerting: I suggest using the "--link" option
[13:15:27] k-man: messerting: ah, interesting, thanks
[13:15:33] messerting: np :)
[13:16:26] jarle: k-man: or http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythrename.pl
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[13:18:54] jarle: k-man: if you have enabled previews, after a recording is finished recording you will find a line similar to this in the backend log after the recording has finished, telling you the name of the file it was recorded to: Preview: Grabbed preview '/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/2508_20090609131500.mpg' 720x576@64s
[13:20:02] k-man: jarle, ok, interesting, thanks
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[13:23:50] superdump: what issues should the new channel scanner have addressed compared to the previous one? and what does it aim to achieve generally?
[13:24:37] superdump: besides the obvious
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[13:36:26] k-man: i have an hdhr, its working fine most of the time, but sometimes it fails to record, with no obvious error in the logs
[13:36:41] k-man: and as far as I can tell, it does not create the recording file.
[13:36:57] k-man: its not the same issue i sometimes get when the recording file is 0 in size
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[14:22:58] wagnerrp: messerting: ideally, you should never be using X11, since thats just a last fallback if Xv doesnt work
[14:23:15] wagnerrp: however it might indicate a problem that youre missing something more important
[14:24:44] messerting: wagnerrp: ok, thansk
[14:24:52] messerting: thanks*
[14:24:58] iamlindoro: superdump, The old channel scanner had numerous problems, not the least of which is it crashed frequently and missed lots of channels-- the new channel scanner will be much much more accurate and less crashy, but at the moment it's still extremely new and unfinished, and the person responsible for it has his hands full with some home issues, so you shouldn't expect it to be any better (and it may in fact be worse ATM)
[14:28:38] superdump: daniel fixed a crash bug i reported about it :)
[14:29:27] superdump: but noted
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[14:31:06] iamlindoro: superdump, yeah, things will get fixed, just wanted to note that the staus quo doesn't represent how nice the finished product will be
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[14:33:53] wagnerrp: well its somewhat of a lost cause trying to pull something off the second disk of blade runner
[14:34:21] wagnerrp: its video the length of about one and a third films, in some 20 files, mixes and matched into three versions
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[14:38:00] XCP: can you install mythtv without having that mysql server installed & running?
[14:38:28] wagnerrp: sure
[14:38:39] wagnerrp: but you cant USE mythtv without the server installed and running
[14:38:55] wagnerrp: you just need one, not one for each machine
[14:39:26] XCP: um, okay...
[14:39:35] Pontiac: <jingle> You just can't have one without the... other....</jingle>
[14:39:45] XCP: sounds a bit like overkill, but what do I know...
[14:39:55] Pontiac: Why would it be overkill?
[14:39:58] wagnerrp: everything gets stored inside the database
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[14:40:05] XCP: what happens if I want to install my own mysql server? can they coexist?
[14:40:11] Pontiac: Yes.
[14:40:26] wagnerrp: your 'own mysql server'?
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[14:40:48] wagnerrp: one mysql server can handle multiple databases
[14:42:46] wagnerrp: you can have multiple mysql servers running on a network, even multiple running on one machine
[14:43:09] wagnerrp: but you really want no more than one per IP
[14:43:15] wagnerrp: better to stay on the standard port
[14:43:48] XCP: alright
[14:43:50] ** XCP tries his luck **
[14:44:22] wagnerrp: but honestly, the only reason to have multiple mysql servers is because you need a specific version for something else
[14:44:50] wagnerrp: chances are youre not going to be doing anything intensive enough at home to need to load balance
[14:44:51] stuarta: and load
[14:44:58] XCP: the last time I tried to configure mythtv it took me 2 days to get my tv card working. compared to 30 seconds on Windows. the tradeoff between configurability and ease of use is high.
[14:45:12] stuarta: how long ago was that?
[14:45:19] XCP: half a year.
[14:45:33] Pontiac: 2 days? Well, if ya lose the machine, how long do you think it'll take next time since you know the procedure to get it to work?
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[14:46:19] stuarta: newer kernels improve card support all the time
[14:46:44] XCP: well, I "lost" my machine, that's why I want to reinstall it now :) but honestly I don't remember much... I don't know, is this my stupidity or is it normal that mythtv is difficult to configure?
[14:46:58] wagnerrp: i know the PVR cards are FAR FAR easier to set up now, than they were back in the 2.6.1x line
[14:47:15] wagnerrp: its not difficult, just complex
[14:47:20] Pontiac: Not difficult at all.
[14:47:20] wagnerrp: theres a big learning curve
[14:47:38] wagnerrp: once you know how to do it, you can pretty quickly stamp out a mythtv installation
[14:47:41] Pontiac: If you know linux you shouldn't have `too` much of a problem, especially if you stick with one particular disto.
[14:47:44] Pontiac: distro
[14:48:11] Pontiac: What i did was just download Mythbuntu and it was pretty much turn-key. There are other distros.
[14:49:06] XCP: I guess I'm just spoiled from Windows. wasn't more than a year ago that I still used windows most of the time.
[14:49:26] XCP: plus, my TV card is old.
[14:49:29] XCP: about 6 years
[14:49:31] Pontiac: I use both OS's, and both have their perks.
[14:49:33] stuarta: the 1 downside linux has is that driver support for new hardware is crap
[14:49:58] stuarta: manufacturers tend to make a card, slap together a windows drivers, and go job done
[14:50:27] stuarta: half the time they reuse a reference design so they don't even do that much
[14:50:43] wagnerrp: well why not... except for the server market, windows is their user base
[14:51:06] stuarta: yup. we have to wait for "keen" individuals to make one
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[14:57:25] XCP: btw, can you listen to FM radio with mythtv?
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[14:57:38] wagnerrp: kind of
[14:57:59] wagnerrp: theres no official support, but there is some plugin that can use those inputs
[14:58:03] wagnerrp: i dont know if it still works
[14:58:16] XCP: hmmm
[14:58:54] wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fm_radio
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[15:00:54] sphery: Someone really needs to fix those scripts to use EXECTV.
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[15:04:42] iamlindoro: Oooh
[15:04:51] iamlindoro: Newegg finally got the 2TB WD greens in
[15:05:04] iamlindoro: (as opposed to the non-green which they've had for a bit)
[15:05:07] XCP: 2TB? oh my...
[15:05:15] ** XCP wonders about their reliability **
[15:05:56] wagnerrp: well they bumped up the MTBF another order
[15:06:05] wagnerrp: which probably means that number is meaningless
[15:06:30] wagnerrp: and some number of years back, they just said... 'oh, lets use around 10TB, well never have to worry about that capacity'
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[15:08:19] iamlindoro: I may go in for the 8 port eSATA enclosure steve mentioned on the list, have been in the market for something like that for a bit
[15:09:12] wagnerrp: does it just function as a splitter? or is it eSATA-attached-RAID?
[15:09:30] iamlindoro: It's a port multiplier, but apparently plays nice in linux
[15:09:50] wagnerrp: have to make sure your controller supports multipliers
[15:09:59] iamlindoro: It does
[15:10:40] wagnerrp: apparently that drive is only $3 more, retail at best buy
[15:10:41] iamlindoro: And even if it didn't, the unit comes with an eSATA care
[15:10:45] iamlindoro: card
[15:11:46] sphery: so do the 8 ports just share the bandwidth that normally would be given to one drive?
[15:11:56] wagnerrp: correct
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[15:12:27] wagnerrp: but 300MB/s is far more than myth has use for
[15:12:59] wagnerrp: $250 at Fry's with in-store pickup
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[15:18:07] andy1411: sattellite dvb-s: i'm using mc2xml to fill the epg, but for some channels it's empty. is there a way to combine xmltv and EIT data in mythfilldatabase?
[15:19:27] iamlindoro: You can use EIT for certain channels, yes. Just turn on the "Use EIT for this source" for the source, then turn off the UseOnAirGuide for all the channels that have XML EPG
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[15:19:39] iamlindoro: you should under no circumstances try to combine them for the same channel, though
[15:19:47] wagnerrp: however you NEVER want to use both EIT and xmltv on the same channels
[15:19:49] Dassu: O_o Eh.
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[15:19:58] wagnerrp: it plays hell with the duplicate episode checking
[15:20:03] Dassu: My recordings directory is gone...
[15:20:12] Dassu: (again)
[15:20:15] wagnerrp: that is problematic
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[15:20:27] andy1411: do I have to scan the channels that I want EIT for, again in a new input-source?
[15:20:30] Dassu: yeah it is... like how did this happen
[15:20:37] ** wagnerrp takes away Dassu's root privileges **
[15:20:47] Dassu: My computer booted at night (to record) and now the directory is gone.
[15:20:55] Dassu: wagnerrp: Has nothing to do with me.
[15:21:00] iamlindoro: Is your recordings dir a USB drive?
[15:21:06] Dassu: nope
[15:21:06] iamlindoro: (or network mount)
[15:21:15] Dassu: IDE drive, local
[15:21:23] wagnerrp: andy1411: you go into the channel editor (setup or web), and check off the channels you want to use EIT
[15:21:25] Dassu: jfs filesystem.
[15:21:36] wagnerrp: is it its own file system?
[15:21:54] wagnerrp: try forcing a full scan
[15:22:00] wagnerrp: 'fsck.jfs -f'
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[15:22:17] wagnerrp: normally it just replays the journal at boot
[15:22:20] Dassu: wagnerrp: executing
[15:22:38] wagnerrp: but if something is seriously wrong, jfs requires manual intervention to repair
[15:23:03] Dassu: wagnerrp: nope still gone. :/ Funny that the whole directory is gone
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[15:25:41] Dassu: I seem to have autoexpires right after shutdown. Shouldn't this be certain indication that the drive was there ?
[15:26:21] Dassu: s/drive/directory
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[15:27:47] Dassu: wait a sec I post I'll post the mythbackend.log.
[15:31:55] Dassu: http://pastebin.ca/1453773 Lines: 1040-*
[15:32:32] Dassu: Imho pretty clear that the directory was there before the automated startup: at around 11:20-o'clock
[15:36:03] Dassu: Could this be a bug with auto-expire ?
[15:36:26] wagnerrp: is the directory gone? or just empty?
[15:37:01] Dassu: gone.
[15:37:08] Dassu: That's why I'm like "wat"
[15:37:15] wagnerrp: then its very doubtful autoexpire did it
[15:37:17] Dassu: Second time this has happened
[15:37:22] wagnerrp: are you sure the disk is mounted?
[15:37:45] Dassu: Yeah. it the directory is inside the disk
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[15:38:08] Dassu: or partition-root
[15:38:20] wagnerrp: i mean you can 'df' and confirm its there?
[15:38:30] wagnerrp: fsck should not have run with the partition mounted
[15:38:35] wagnerrp: at least it would have warned against it
[15:38:49] Dassu: wagnerrp: I didn't run fsck with partition mounted
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[15:39:05] Dassu: umount -> fsck -> remount
[15:39:17] wagnerrp: ok, and still missing.... dont know what to tell you
[15:39:27] wagnerrp: i never just 'lost' a directory before
[15:39:36] wagnerrp: do you have a bunch of crap in 'lost+found'?
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[15:40:22] Dassu: yeah
[15:40:52] Dassu: It might be important to note that sometimes my system doesn't see the disk at all.
[15:41:10] wagnerrp: if you mangled your FS such that the data is irrecoverable, the fragments will get shoved into lost+found
[15:41:27] SHADOW_V: J-e-f-f-A, you around
[15:41:46] SHADOW_V: and you get demoted from admin right wagnerrp
[15:42:17] wagnerrp: i got what?
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[15:42:34] Dassu: wagnerrp: dude. like over 380GB of data just gone...
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[15:42:52] Dassu: I'm really wondering how is this possible and this happened the second time..
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[15:44:07] wagnerrp: this drive is mounted at /mnt/tv?
[15:44:18] SHADOW_V: wagnerrp, i was saying if he ruined his fs so that he cant recover it he should have his root priveledges revoked
[15:44:38] Dassu: wagnerrp: yes
[15:44:50] wagnerrp: and youre recording to /mnt/tv?
[15:45:04] Dassu: nope..
[15:45:06] Dassu: wait.
[15:45:15] wagnerrp: thats what it looks like
[15:45:24] Dassu: The drive is mounted at /mnt. and the drive has a direcotory "tv"
[15:45:25] wagnerrp: i dont remember why, but i know thats bad
[15:45:30] wagnerrp: oh, ok
[15:47:26] SHADOW_V: wagnerrp, whats bad
[15:47:43] wagnerrp: recording to the root mount is bad
[15:48:09] Dassu: wagnerrp: I aint recording to the root of mount. The root is /mnt and the directory is tv
[15:48:13] wagnerrp: i know if you record there, and your disk is not mounted, you will end up recording to the parent partition, which may fill very quickly
[15:48:22] wagnerrp: but i think there were other issues than that
[15:48:23] sphery: if you record to the root of a filesystem (versus a subdirectory under the root), then Myth has no way of knowing if the filesystem is mounted or not. So, if you mount the filesystem at /mnt/tv and record to /mnt/tv, there would be a /mnt/tv dir regardless of whether the filesystem is mounted.
[15:48:28] wagnerrp: but thats not the problem here
[15:48:48] sphery: If you record to /mnt/tv/some_subdirectory , then when the filesystem isn't mounted, /mnt/tv/some_subdirectory won't exist, so Myth won't record to it
[15:50:07] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: Yeah, but at work – I didn't get around to installing the new version and testing it last-night --- Although I did download it... ;-)
[15:50:52] Dassu: sphery: as I said /mnt/tv wont exist if partition isn't mounted because the drive is mounted to /mnt
[15:51:04] SHADOW_V: no problem because one i dont have mythtv setup and 2 apparently i was fed incorrect info so i have to wait till tomorrow for my shiny new mbp
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[15:52:43] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X has links to weekly builds.  ;-)
[15:53:30] SHADOW_V: J-e-f-f-A, ok thanks thats great now just need to see what i have to do to stream over wireless n
[15:54:25] Dassu: I think If I don't manage to recover the recordings dir I will change the fs to someting which is very easily recoverable (by directory)
[15:54:28] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: If you've got a strong signal it will probably work ok, but latency might cause some stutters... I use all wired nowadays. ;-)
[15:54:57] wagnerrp: Dassu: how long did it take to run fsck? seemed to only take a couple seconds
[15:55:08] SHADOW_V: J-e-f-f-A, yeah if it comes to it i can swap my access point and i dont want to use wires because its a laptop
[15:55:10] Dassu: wagnerrp: yeah, couple of seconds
[15:55:18] Dassu: wagnerrp: doesn't it just check the journal ?
[15:55:43] SHADOW_V: J-e-f-f-A, i am going to be moving around too much to justify a long cable
[15:55:52] wagnerrp: yes, you seem to have run the check to just replay the journal
[15:56:00] J-e-f-f-A: Dassu: I have 6 recordings disks, and mounted them all under a directory named /MythTV ... So my mount points are /MythTV/sdc through sdh, and then the disks have directorys of "recordings" and "videos", etc... I use Storage groups, not a raid or LVM.
[15:56:06] wagnerrp: i want you to do a full check, but '-f' didnt seem to do it
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[15:56:29] Dassu: oh
[15:56:32] danmiddle27: Hi there, I am writing a bash script to run overnight on my mythtv recordings. Is there any way of getting a script to 'skip' any files that haven't finished recording yet?
[15:56:48] wagnerrp: yeah, '-f' should have run a full scan, rather than just a journal playback
[15:57:58] SHADOW_V: danmiddle27, why wouldnt you just put the script on the backend as a user script and tell it to run after a recording has finished recording
[15:58:03] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: I suspect "N" might be ok as long as you've got a strong enough signal. ;-)
[15:58:25] SHADOW_V: yeah its not like i have that big of a place
[15:58:33] SHADOW_V: so lets see hopefully it works well
[15:58:38] danmiddle27: it's a fairly low spec backend box... so I want to batch the jobs overnight in essence
[15:58:52] SHADOW_V: if not i am going to have to buy a time machine or something so i can get 10MB/sec
[15:58:56] danmiddle27: so I make cron do the work at 2am instaed
[15:58:58] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: I don't think you'd have any problems with SD, but HD might be touchy...
[15:59:25] SHADOW_V: J-e-f-f-A, right so thats why i am saying i might have to get a apple access point to get higher n speeds
[15:59:37] wagnerrp: danmiddle27: either learn mythproto (or use the perl/python bindings) or access and process the backend status page
[16:00:04] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: It's not the speed so much, as the latency. When I changed my wired network from 100Mbps to 1Gbps, it didn't make any difference with playback, but the frontend responsiveness went up quite a bit.
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[16:00:35] SHADOW_V: J-e-f-f-A, ah ok how many milisecounds are acceptable
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[16:01:12] wagnerrp: J-e-f-f-A: you should have gone from a fraction of a millisecond, to a smaller fraction of a millisecond
[16:01:19] wagnerrp: not something you would have noticed
[16:01:27] danmiddle27: @wagnerrp is there no way I can do a simple mysql command from a prompt to list "currently being recorded files"?
[16:01:46] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: I have no idea TTYTT! ;-) But on 100Mbp network, it would take 2–3 seconds for playback of a program to start with my 100mbps link, but just 1/2 a second with the same computers on gigabit, even without jumbo packets.
[16:02:15] wagnerrp: well thats actually throughput
[16:02:29] wagnerrp: although it shouldnt have taken a couple seconds to buffer enough that myth would start playing
[16:02:32] danmiddle27: everything else is being done through the bash script... and everything else already works... I am just missing that one commmand to identify which files are currently being recorded
[16:03:00] wagnerrp: danmiddle27: access the backend status page
[16:03:06] wagnerrp: if any tuners are in use, try back in half an hour
[16:03:26] J-e-f-f-A: danmiddle27: Perhaps use a script to cat the filename into a 'queue' after each recording finishes, then an 'overnight' script that takes that file, moves it off to the side, then processes it?
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[16:04:10] SHADOW_V: wagnerrp, so your saying i should be able to do hd over wireless n
[16:04:41] wagnerrp: SHADOW_V: i said no such thing, i was commenting on J-e-f-f-A's claim of latency over wired network
[16:04:48] SHADOW_V: ah ok
[16:05:00] SHADOW_V: well the best way for me to know is to try it
[16:05:01] wagnerrp: however, since HD playback over G is marginal, it should be fine over N
[16:05:15] wagnerrp: i just have no experience with N, or the speeds you may get with N
[16:05:25] SHADOW_V: issue is i have mixed performance over n depending on adapter i use
[16:05:26] wagnerrp: i just know that G is pretty pathetic
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[16:05:48] SHADOW_V: wagnerrp, whats the avg speed over g
[16:05:52] SHADOW_V: 3MB/sec?
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[16:07:05] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: Well, yeah, latency vs thruput... It takes longer for database lookups over a 100mb network than a Gb network... So I just mis-used the term 'latency' I guess... DOH!
[16:07:42] wagnerrp: SHADOW_V: that might me a maximum would would ever see
[16:08:06] wagnerrp: J-e-f-f-A: i dont see why it would
[16:08:18] SHADOW_V: wagnerrp, i have seen around 6MB/sec depending on the adapter i use
[16:08:26] wagnerrp: lookups should be WELL below the available bandwidth
[16:08:36] wagnerrp: SHADOW_V: 6MB/s on G?
[16:08:40] wagnerrp: megabytes?
[16:08:56] SHADOW_V: on n
[16:09:08] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: I wonder if the access point you're using isn't capable of multiple speeds at once? I know older "G" routers would drop down to "B" speeds if there was even one "B" device being used... Maybe that's what your current "N" router is doing? (dropping to "G" speeds?)
[16:09:09] wagnerrp: ok, N i could believe
[16:09:56] SHADOW_V: J-e-f-f-A, no because i was the only one using it i believe its more of a incapatability between 2 pre n devices
[16:10:35] SHADOW_V: because on one wireless adapter i can easily pull 6MB/sec over n even peaking at 8 MB/sec where as the other one hits 5MB/sec infrequently
[16:11:00] danmiddle27: @wagnerrp is there a way I can get the backend status page to display the real filename instead of the human filename from the database?
[16:11:09] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: Well... broadband is faster than dialup, right? So pulling up "google.com" is much faster on a broadband connection than a dialup connection. No matter how fast 'google.com' is, the network is the bottleneck. Same with my myth network.
[16:11:31] wagnerrp: danmiddle27: i have no idea... what is this processing youre doing?
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[16:12:36] wagnerrp: J-e-f-f-A: im saying unless youre doing bulk data transfers, 10/100 will rarely be a bottleneck that gigabit will solve
[16:12:57] danmiddle27: wagnerrp: well the script creates several file-types from the recordings. an mp4 which it makes available over an RSS stream for the PSP to download automatically, a 3GP file which it makes available over an RTSP stream to watch on a mobile phone and a few other bits and pieces
[16:13:44] wagnerrp: do you have framegrabbers that otherwise need the power? why cant you just run this as a user job?
[16:13:51] danmiddle27: wagnerrp: the 'only' issue I have is if something is recording, it transcodes part of a file... but never comes back to retranscode it... can be very annoying
[16:13:58] SHADOW_V: i said user job from the beginning
[16:14:06] wagnerrp: i know
[16:14:16] SHADOW_V: !trout danmiddle27
[16:14:16] ** MythLogBot slaps danmiddle27 with a trout on behalf of SHADOW_V... **
[16:14:22] danmiddle27: user jobs really slow the machine down (it's used for other things)
[16:14:46] wagnerrp: so make them play 'nice'
[16:14:58] SHADOW_V: you could do user job with a script that poitns to another machine to then start doing that
[16:15:00] SHADOW_V: blam done
[16:15:19] wagnerrp: SHADOW_V: actually, you would limit which machines the user job could run on
[16:15:30] SHADOW_V: hmm
[16:15:36] SHADOW_V: i am mistaken then
[16:15:38] wagnerrp: alternatively, you can specify that the job queue only remain operational during certain times of the day
[16:15:38] SHADOW_V: :(
[16:16:11] danmiddle27: wagnerpp: would it not then skip lots of recordings, or would it queue them?
[16:16:12] wagnerrp: for instance, the job queue only starts processing jobs at 10pm, and stops adding new jobs after 6am
[16:16:27] wagnerrp: it would queue them, until the queue started running jobs
[16:17:21] wagnerrp: the only problem there would be that commflagging would no longer run in real time
[16:17:27] GreyFoxx: Hrm, I'm suprised the XML GetRecorded doesn't include the filename
[16:17:31] wagnerrp: but would instead wait until the jobqueue to open up
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[16:18:11] th1: sphery, the fix of adding the default_authority manually in the channel table for the FreeSat channels worked, and now it is correctly detecting duplicates on the FreeSat chans
[16:19:47] danmiddle27: some things to try... thanks for the help. I will have a reshuffle of what I am doing and try to tie down the schedule of when the jobs run as you suggested
[16:20:28] wagnerrp: GreyFoxx: is 'GetRecorded' something from mythproto?
[16:20:40] GreyFoxx: wagnerrp: Nope, one of the upnp/xml calls you can make
[16:20:53] GreyFoxx: simple webget returns details of all recordings
[16:20:58] GreyFoxx: just not the filename
[16:21:34] wagnerrp: danmiddle27: you might want to check out that too.... but youre still going to have to do XML processing in bash
[16:21:42] wagnerrp: have fun with that one
[16:22:41] danmiddle27: ok, I'll have a play... thanks again
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[16:45:10] sphery: th1: glad it worked
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[16:48:15] DGMurdockIII: im in need of some help
[16:48:25] DGMurdockIII: i cant get myth frontend to start
[16:48:42] DGMurdockIII: and i cant get any sound
[16:48:57] DGMurdockIII: my sound is comming throug a ati all in wonder HD
[16:49:03] DGMurdockIII: HDMI
[16:54:14] sphery: danmiddle should look at the already-written myth_upcoming_recordings.pl, which would tell him which shows are recording with: myth_upcoming_recordings.pl --plain_text --seconds 1 (and would give filename using: --text_format '%c_%Y%m%d%H%i%s.mpg\n' )
[16:54:20] sphery: but guess he didn't want to stick around to find out
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[17:10:08] Dassu: Is there any any difference in file names of the recordings between "deleted" and existing ones ?
[17:10:41] wagnerrp: that depends
[17:10:51] wagnerrp: normally, 'deleted' recordings dont exist
[17:11:01] wagnerrp: unless you have it set up to auto-expire instead of delete
[17:11:11] wagnerrp: in which case the only place you can tell a difference is within the database
[17:11:19] Dassu: Eh. Yes I have them up to auto-expire :P didn't know I had a choice
[17:12:05] Dassu: wagnerrp: hmmm. jfsrec seems have support for regular expressions so hmm wonder if I can tell it somehow to recover only the non-deleted ones. O_o
[17:12:46] DGMurdockIII: i cant get myth frontend to start im using mythdora
[17:13:12] Dassu: Guess I dont really have choice. Because I would have to add it all in one regular expression :P
[17:13:43] Dassu: Only way to do this is to recover ~ 250GB of data to the directory and then just mv back to record dir. Damn :/
[17:14:02] Dassu: Of course first check wether or not I was able to recover everything needed
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[17:19:16] DGMurdockIII: anyone around
[17:20:41] SHADOW_V1: !ask
[17:20:46] SHADOW_V1: !question
[17:20:49] SHADOW_V1: !help
[17:20:58] SHADOW_V1: !list
[17:21:16] SHADOW_V1: DGMurdockIII, ask your qeustion
[17:21:23] DGMurdockIII: i cant get myth frontend to start im using mythdora
[17:21:28] DGMurdockIII: and i cant get any sound
[17:21:38] DGMurdockIII: my sound is comming throug a ati all in wonder HD HDMI
[17:21:39] SHADOW_V1: look in logs
[17:21:51] DGMurdockIII: ican get it to load
[17:21:55] SHADOW_V1: that should point you in the right direction
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[17:22:01] SHADOW_V1: look at the logs
[17:22:02] DGMurdockIII: and it start the setup
[17:22:08] SHADOW_V1: see why it doesnt fully load
[17:22:09] J-e-f-f-A: DGMurdockIII: I don't use ATI or HDMI, so i'm afraid I can't help you much...
[17:22:14] DGMurdockIII: then says error loading backend
[17:22:44] DGMurdockIII: qould it hafe somthing to do with the password
[17:22:54] SHADOW_V1: DGMurdockIII, again look at the logs
[17:23:09] SHADOW_V1: that should point you in the right direction
[17:23:10] DGMurdockIII: i want help not logs
[17:23:31] DGMurdockIII: but
[17:23:37] DGMurdockIII: i'll look at them
[17:23:47] DGMurdockIII: but i dont now where they would be
[17:23:59] Pontiac: pepsi101
[17:24:16] Pontiac: ignore that
[17:24:26] Pontiac: ... really... ignore that. {smirk{
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[17:25:14] DGMurdockIII: i'll look in logs if someone tells me
[17:25:48] DGMurdockIII: where to find the log file
[17:26:05] DGMurdockIII: (SHADOW_V): where do i find the log file
[17:26:05] DGMurdockIII: (SHADOW_V1): where do i find the log file
[17:26:15] J-e-f-f-A: DGMurdockIII: Check the mythdora documentation – but usually log files in linux are in /var/log
[17:26:57] DGMurdockIII: it says cannt log in to database
[17:27:10] DGMurdockIII: i dont need a database
[17:28:00] wagnerrp: why dont you need a database?
[17:28:37] DGMurdockIII: im not goijng to be recording aything
[17:28:42] J-e-f-f-A: DGMurdockIII: You do if you want to run mythtv... It doesn't store all the program listings and recordings info in memory...
[17:28:54] iamlindoro: Even if you're not recording, Myth still requires a DB
[17:28:55] wagnerrp: EVERYTHING is stored in the database
[17:29:00] J-e-f-f-A: DGMurdockIII: Then MythTV isn't for you... That's what MythTV is for...
[17:29:12] wagnerrp: all your settings, all your configurations, all your media lists
[17:29:42] wagnerrp: the ONLY thing not stored in the database is a small file telling mythtv where the database is
[17:29:53] DGMurdockIII: ok
[17:30:16] DGMurdockIII: oh i did notr now that
[17:30:35] DGMurdockIII: if you guys can help me figer out why it wont log in to the db
[17:30:50] DGMurdockIII: then i think i can do ever thing else
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[17:32:26] J-e-f-f-A: DGMurdockIII: How about looking at their wiki page? http://www.mythdorawiki.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[17:36:02] SHADOW_V1: :)
[17:36:12] SHADOW_V1: DGMurdockIII, maybe mythtv isnt for you sir
[17:36:43] SHADOW_V1: if your not going to record than the fundamental thing mythtv was designed for isnt being used
[17:36:50] SHADOW_V1: you wont get the full experience
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[17:38:52] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: I'm about 99% sure I'm going to switch to FiOS TV... ;-) I called yesterday, and I can get 3 HD receivers and my Internet bundled for $116/month guaranteed for 2 yrs. (That'll save me at least $40/month, plus the receivers are HD)
[17:39:10] SHADOW_V1: J-e-f-f-A, what speed internet
[17:39:11] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: I'll just need to invest in HD-PVRs soon to take advantage of the HD!!!
[17:39:23] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V1: I currently have 15/2, will be going up to 20/5
[17:39:32] SHADOW_V1: wow thats very tempting
[17:41:02] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V1: The main two reasons I was hesitating are: 1) I have Vonage phone service, so saw no need for the triple-package of Inet/TV/Phone (the phone would have gone un-used), and 2) with SD receivers, I would have had fun setting up multiple LIRC instances...
[17:41:41] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V1: But by going with HD receivers, I can just control them all with firewire, completely eliminating my IR setup... (except for the occasional frontend use via receiver...)
[17:43:02] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V1: I currently have 3x Dish Network SD receivers with 1 instance of lirc as the receivers can be set for different IR code sets. The Verizon units can't be setup that way, so the firewire channel change feature fixes that... (I wish I could *capture* via firewire, but oh well... ;-) )
[17:45:47] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V1: yeah, I already have FiOS internet – But the TV wasn't available when I got it. It only became available in my area until about a year ago.
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[17:48:19] SHADOW_V1: J-e-f-f-A, right i have a kinda similar issue i am most likely going ot be moving to a cablevision area where the triple play is 100 a month and upgrading internet and adding afew receivers will get be around 125 a month but ill have 30/5 most likely record over firewire and get to see movies for free tuesday nights at clearview cinemas
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[17:50:46] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V1: Same deal basically with FiOS bundle of Inet/TV/Phone – $99/month – but that's for SD, 1 STB, 10/2 inet and phone. So by dropping the Phone, and upgrading to 3 HD receivers and 20/5, $116 isn't bad IMHO... I pay about $140/month now for FiOS Inet & 4 Dish SD receivers. ;-)
[17:51:41] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V1: Initially I'll just be capturing from them via S-Video, but will look to buy some HD-PVRs soon... ;-)
[17:52:14] J-e-f-f-A: (But that also means I'll either have to upgrade my frontends or set them up for VDPAU...  ;-) )
[17:52:46] SHADOW_V1: right
[17:53:03] SHADOW_V1: J-e-f-f-A, see for 100 i get one hd box 15/2 and phone
[17:53:18] SHADOW_V1: i dont need phone but by keeping it it brings down the cost due to discounts
[17:53:28] SHADOW_V1: then i get other perks like the free movies at the theaters
[17:53:52] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V1: Give them a call — you may be able to save even more without the phone bundled...  ;-)
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[17:54:09] SHADOW_V1: yeah but then i cants gets the free movies in the theaters lol
[17:54:19] J-e-f-f-A: hehe
[17:54:19] SHADOW_V1: or discounted tickets
[17:54:38] SHADOW_V1: but yeah i would def want to save
[17:54:45] SHADOW_V1: i still have other things to worry about
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[17:58:44] J-e-f-f-A: Humm... the HD-PVRs are down to $204.99 on NewEgg with free shipping... Too bad I don't have $614.97 to buy three of them!!! ;-)
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[18:00:29] SHADOW_V1: J-e-f-f-A, yeah niether do i
[18:00:53] SHADOW_V1: i would def want to get atleast one to play around with but would rather rely on firewire i dont really want to run trunk on a production system
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[18:02:36] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V1: I'll probably just use S-Video for now until the prices come down more and/or I have some money to spend... right now it's quite tight...
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[18:03:22] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V1: And I will still have my locals in HD via the antenna (and probably via the FiOS cable perhaps? That would be cool...)
[18:07:07] iamlindoro: J-e-f-f-A: Yes, the FIOS stuff broadasts the locals via ClearQAM from what I've heard
[18:08:05] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: Cool. Have you been working on your theme lately btw?  ;-)
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[18:08:45] iamlindoro: Haven't worked on it too much in a while, it's mostly usable for me, but needs at least a few days of polish on some screens I don't use, plus I need to figure out how I want to do the menus
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[18:11:03] iamlindoro: Plus there's the stuff that still hasn't been MythUI'd that needs doing
[18:11:20] iamlindoro: MythGame, and even though it's partially ported, I haven't touched mythmusic yet
[18:11:53] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: Understood. ;-) One of these days when I don't have 1-zillion things going on, I'll dedicate more time to Myth development – haven't been able to do anything for a couple of months now.
[18:12:36] iamlindoro: Most of the stuff I'm neglecting is the 10,000 manage recordings screens, which I never use because I don't schedule w/ the frontend
[18:13:03] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: you use MythWeb for that too?  ;-)
[18:13:09] iamlindoro: yep
[18:13:51] J-e-f-f-A: me <3's mythweb!
[18:14:46] laga: you guys have so much in common ;)
[18:15:22] J-e-f-f-A: HA! I doubt iamlindoro has an 18-year old son that just [barely] graduated High school...  ;-) hehehe
[18:15:38] iamlindoro: We are, however, both devilishly handsome
[18:15:47] iamlindoro: and have roguish charm
[18:16:05] ** J-e-f-f-A laughs **
[18:17:36] ** meshe gets pushed out the door by the oversized egos **
[18:18:10] laga: not used to that from geeks?
[18:18:19] meshe: i'm jk
[18:18:39] meshe: thinking highly of yourself is a wonderful thing in my opinion
[18:19:02] iamlindoro: Hey, I work hard to keep myself in top shape, I get to be proud of me ;)
[18:19:15] dubstar_04: iamlindoro: whats the status of mythmusic?
[18:19:28] iamlindoro: dubstar_04: partially ported to MythUI
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[18:21:07] J-e-f-f-A: Oh, how cute. The fleabay 'remaining time' counter now counts down in 'real time'...
[18:23:46] laga: iamlindoro: geez, now i feel guilty for having that chocolate bar ;)
[18:24:03] iamlindoro: laga: High in iron!
[18:25:03] laga: iamlindoro: weee
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[18:26:24] meshe: ported? or rewritten? ;)
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[18:28:26] snarkster: hey have any of you heard of gmote?
[18:28:55] snarkster: its a server that allows you to control media players and such from your g1 phone..
[18:29:06] juski: heh. talk about limited appeal
[18:29:18] snarkster: ive been wondering do you think it could be modified for mythtv?
[18:29:58] juski: maybe it'd be easier to write a web app instead
[18:30:03] meshe: check the mythtv-users mailing list archives, theres been a *bit* of discussion on it
[18:30:34] snarkster: thank you
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[18:31:05] ** sphery doesn't understand touch-screen remotes (i.e. remotes you have to /look/ at to use) **
[18:31:18] kormoc: someone just needs to write the ui for the mobile webkit remote interface for mythweb, and that's done
[18:31:34] kormoc: sphery, I like smart remotes, I can select a show and say, play on all frontends, and off it goes
[18:31:46] kormoc: no multiple key-presses or even looking at the tv to read the details...
[18:32:33] sphery: I, personally, like dumb remotes and smart receivers.
[18:32:36] xris: heh
[18:32:41] xris: I like my harmony remote.  :)
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[18:34:15] snarkster: hmm mythremote
[18:34:26] snarkster: very very nice
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[18:51:15] SHADOW_V1: everyone should get this
[18:51:16] SHADOW_V1: http://dev-scene.com/NDS/MythRemote
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[18:51:54] kormoc: yeah, cause I have a nintendo DS?
[18:52:04] laga: "everyone"? talk about attitude
[18:52:05] SHADOW_V1: you know you have 3 in your closet
[18:52:22] kormoc: given I've never even seen one, I'd say that's a negative
[18:52:41] SHADOW_V1: okkkk
[18:53:47] juski: havent got used to my harmony remote yet. finding it slow
[18:54:14] juski: messed with the inter-key delay to as low as possible & it's still sluggish compared to my OFA-6
[18:56:16] GreyFoxx: kormoc: I think that other than in commercials... I've never seen one IRL either :)
[18:56:57] kormoc: I can't think of a single person I know who's even expressed interest in owning one
[18:58:36] GreyFoxx: A friend of mine collects games of all sorts. has just about every console from the last 25 years, and all games
[18:58:43] GreyFoxx: so I know he'd have 1
[18:59:06] wilturn: I love the DS, I own a pair
[18:59:38] GreyFoxx: http://www.thegameconsole.com/videogames80.htm I've been using that for a foot rest for the last week :)
[18:59:45] GreyFoxx: I haven't taken it home from work in years :)
[19:00:10] GreyFoxx: (the Vectrex)
[19:00:12] wilturn: oh wow GreyFoxx, does it turn on at all?
[19:00:25] GreyFoxx: wilturn: works great and I have a bag full of the original carts for it
[19:00:43] GreyFoxx: I haven't turned it on in 6 months, but I have no reason to think it doesn't currently work
[19:00:44] wilturn: man they were built like a tank
[19:01:27] wilturn: awesome foot rest dude
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[19:07:42] snarkster: thank you for your suggestions.. good bye
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[19:10:53] GreyFoxx: wilturn: It still works :) http://phaze.org/IMG00208.jpg
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[19:12:31] peque: Just rebootet my MBE and suddenly it cannot connect to localmachine (IP) and will not start mythbackend – keeps on askin g for details about the Database
[19:13:02] wilturn: oh man, I am so nostalgic for that monochrome display.... awesome pic putting it next to that beautiful samsung GreyFoxx :)
[19:13:22] wilturn: we just gotta get the game up on MAME lol
[19:14:07] GreyFoxx: I have a pair of those samsungs at my desk, I'm spoiled for screenspace at work
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[19:19:48] wilturn: not to snoop but xfce and bitchX for the win man :)
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[19:35:26] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: I have a Vectrex too... ;-)
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[20:16:14] stuarta: evenin'
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[20:17:16] iamlindoro: hi stuarta
[20:17:32] wagnerrp: wow... comcast is now blocking the use of 3rd party DNS servers
[20:17:37] stuarta: anything interesting happen lately?
[20:18:13] juski: dunno, unless you count Sultana sports looking likely to go titsup interesting :)
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[20:18:49] stuarta: juski: nah, not really. although they were carrying some of the sport from aus
[20:18:53] iamlindoro: stuarta: Don't think so, mostly quiet on the Myth front-- mark_k breaking out the VDPAU renderer, gnome42 doing lots of helpful work on player crashes
[20:18:58] stuarta: good thing i never subscribed just to see it
[20:19:10] stuarta: iamlindoro: goodo
[20:19:32] juski: hopefully it'll free up some mux space for some improvements that aren't extra channels
[20:19:33] ** stuarta ponders bashing on some code **
[20:19:43] stuarta: fat chance of that
[20:19:52] juski: then all we need is TUTV to go titsup :)
[20:20:10] stuarta: i would have expected that before sentanta
[20:20:31] stuarta: however the weren't stupid in paying silly money for that stupid game
[20:21:33] iamlindoro: I'd love to be able to follow Aussie football from here
[20:21:43] iamlindoro: I've enjoyed watching the games that I have
[20:21:44] stuarta: define football
[20:21:56] stuarta: that means different things in different states
[20:21:57] iamlindoro: Aussie not-soccer football :)
[20:22:06] stuarta: still leaves 3 choices
[20:22:32] iamlindoro: AFL, I believe
[20:22:33] baffle: How do I set up wich Audio Track is default when I watch a DVB TS? It always selects the first one, but I want it to have a priority.. I.e. "pri 1:no/Norwegian pri 2: en/English" or something..
[20:22:33] stuarta: aussie rules football aka AFL?
[20:22:50] iamlindoro: As above, yes :)
[20:22:57] stuarta: :)
[20:23:07] iamlindoro: baffle: Change the guide language preferences in general settings
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[20:23:22] iamlindoro: They also affect audio preferences
[20:23:25] iamlindoro: yes, this setting is poorly named
[20:23:27] juski: guide language preferences change default audio track? meh
[20:23:30] stuarta: it defaults to azerbejan or summink stupid
[20:23:40] iamlindoro: Afar
[20:23:43] iamlindoro: (IIRC)
[20:23:54] ** stuarta nearly went for aardvark :) **
[20:23:58] juski: where is Afar anyway? Somewhere near Notclose ?
[20:23:58] stuarta: biab
[20:24:10] baffle: iamlindoro: That is ISO639Language0 or ISO639Language1 in MySQL, right?
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[20:24:32] wagnerrp: juski: i thought it was a region of Ethiopia
[20:24:44] juski: heh & I thought it was a made up place
[20:24:44] ** iamlindoro provides no help in direct DB twiddling, because direct DB twiddling is stupid **
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[20:25:05] juski: there's a bloody good reason mythtv has a GUI for changing settings
[20:25:17] baffle: iamlindoro: Why is it stupid? I have a lot of frontends.
[20:25:32] gom: Hi all
[20:25:45] iamlindoro: because I have yet to see someone who thinks they are too smart for the GUI not break things
[20:26:03] iamlindoro: It's not just my opinions, it's more or less an unwritten channel policy
[20:26:04] juski: baffle: it's stupid because there's a high likelihood users break stuff they know FA about
[20:26:29] stuarta: if you really must fiddle
[20:26:35] stuarta: change 1 through the gui and copy it
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[20:27:33] juski: arghhh so much for my mp3 conversion script preserving tags :(
[20:27:35] stuarta: that however is left as an exercise for the reader
[20:27:52] iamlindoro: I also only have seting table values memorized for those things which I have directly altered the code for
[20:28:04] iamlindoro: I is not a DB schema
[20:28:08] juski: wish I'd ripped everything to mp3 anyway now. bloody smartass
[20:28:34] baffle: stuarta/iamlindoro: Thanks. :-)
[20:28:38] iamlindoro: np
[20:28:41] juski: muh, flac is better.. muhhhh. Yeah, til you need to actually use the ****ing files on something. grrr
[20:28:51] stuarta: iamlindoro: you don't look like a DB schema either :-p
[20:29:15] iamlindoro: Probably for the best
[20:29:31] gom: I'm trying to get the Analog MPEG2 part of an hauppauge HVR-1300 running, I think I'm having trouble setting it up
[20:29:44] gom: I'm getting a "Can't enable VBI recording (3)" error when I try to watch it
[20:29:59] juski: so disable VBI recording then
[20:30:12] juski: maybe that bit isn't worky in the driver yet
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[20:30:48] gom: mmmh I don't even know what vbi is actually
[20:30:57] gom: going to check my mythtv-setup again
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[20:31:02] juski: Closed captions etc
[20:31:45] juski: CC, Teletext ... all hidden away in the Vertical Blanking Interval
[20:31:45] gom: I guess if /dev/v4L/videoX and /dev/v4l/vbiY were in sync it would be nicer
[20:32:03] gom: K thx, I don't need that
[20:32:21] juski: ahh udev
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[20:32:41] th1: how can I get MythTV to mark all shows on specific channels as being in HD? currently it only shows for BBC HD and not for any of the xmltv listed chans
[20:33:01] iamlindoro: The HD flag is set by your listings data
[20:33:06] juski: or not ;)
[20:33:19] iamlindoro: in .22, the specific resolutions will be flagged following a recording
[20:33:30] iamlindoro: and will have handsome littel 720p, 1080i, etc. icons
[20:33:34] th1: ok but this is .21-fixes
[20:33:34] iamlindoro: little
[20:33:39] wagnerrp: juski: theres some FUSE program that provides transcoded-on-the-fly mp3s on your file system
[20:33:40] stuarta: it will?
[20:33:49] ** stuarta wonders how he missed that commit **
[20:33:51] iamlindoro: stuarta: Already does, technically, minus the UI part
[20:33:56] juski: wagnerrp: too late. done most of them now
[20:33:59] iamlindoro: stuarta: You may be tuning out those I write :)
[20:34:01] th1: iamlindoro, I guess I could tweak the listings data but the grabber doesn't add it
[20:34:09] wagnerrp: well do you still have the FLACs?
[20:34:11] juski: besides my 2000XP might choke a bit on that
[20:34:18] juski: wagnerrp: of course
[20:34:31] juski: does it handle the tags properly?
[20:34:38] wagnerrp: dont know
[20:34:44] juski: that's the clincher
[20:35:01] wagnerrp: its just intended to keep the FLACs on disk, and access the mp3s on demand
[20:35:05] iamlindoro: stuarta: the resolution flags are now saved in the DB for recordings, but gbee was in the midst of revising the PBB so he's going to do the UI part slightly different than how I wrote it, by .22
[20:35:18] juski: at the rate I add music to my collection I can easily maintain two directories like this
[20:35:19] stuarta: ah ISTR that now
[20:35:26] wagnerrp: yeah, ID3 2.4 and 1.1 tags are supported
[20:35:32] th1: I don't understand why they transmit in 1080i instead of 1080p .. surely that would give better picture at the same bitrate and all LCD tv's are just going to deinterlace it anyway
[20:35:35] wagnerrp: taken from the vorbis comments
[20:35:50] juski: ahh mp3fs :)
[20:36:15] iamlindoro: The standards were formalized long before you could purchase a 1080p display
[20:36:25] iamlindoro: think mid-nineties
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[20:36:47] juski: there are still arguments FOR interlacing believe it or not
[20:36:59] wagnerrp: i thought the ATSC spec allowed for 1080p
[20:37:04] gom: juski: could you tell me where I toggle vbi pls ?
[20:37:05] juski: in the absense of higher frame rate progressive stuff anyway ;)
[20:37:09] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: It does
[20:37:12] juski: gom: tuner card setup
[20:37:31] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Just not the early drafts, and people got set in their ways... we'll see it, it just may be a bit
[20:37:35] juski: your precious sports might end up looking juddery
[20:37:47] juski: but then on many HD sets they already do anyway :P
[20:38:37] ** juski looks fwd to some nicer deinterlacers one day, though can't complain about whatever I use now **
[20:38:49] ** iamlindoro thinks the VDPAU deints are overrated **
[20:39:10] iamlindoro: especially with Mark K hammering away at multithreaded software deinterlacers
[20:39:13] gom: juski: but the vbi line disappears when the type of tuner is set to ivtv...
[20:39:35] juski: dunno then
[20:39:42] th1: juski, but even with good deinterlacing it still does weird things to horizontal detail at times
[20:39:49] juski: been a while since I wasted a PCI slot with an analogue tuner
[20:40:13] juski: th1: can't say I've noticed :)
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[20:40:25] darkdrgn2k: what version of lame doe mythtv need
[20:40:27] juski: think I still use greedy 2X or something
[20:40:46] darkdrgn2k: i have 3.98 insatlled but it doesnt like it
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[20:40:53] gom: juski: hvr-1300 is dvb-t + S-vid/comp MPEG2 HW encoding in the same slot ;-P
[20:41:13] kormoc: darkdrgn2k, I'm assuming you're compiling?
[20:41:18] th1: even the tv's built in deinterlacer does it .. especially on the lower bitrate channels
[20:41:30] th1: I wonder how mpeg format can cope with interlacing really
[20:41:37] th1: because it's like 2 separate images
[20:41:42] darkdrgn2k: +kormoc: sory yes, stable
[20:41:43] kormoc: I doubt that the tv's deinterlacer is better then greedy 2x or the like...
[20:41:44] juski: wagnerrp: thanks for the headsup about mp3fs, I'll give it a spin
[20:41:44] darkdrgn2k: svn
[20:41:58] juski: my inlaws' Sony TV's deinterlacer is shite
[20:42:02] kormoc: darkdrgn2k, you need lame-dev or lame-devel or the like
[20:42:13] darkdrgn2k: yeh...
[20:42:15] juski: my dad bought some 'crap' make set & it's miles better
[20:42:21] wagnerrp: ive been meaning to get it set up at home
[20:42:27] darkdrgn2k: i have
[20:42:27] darkdrgn2k: lame-libs-3.98.2–3.fc11.x86_64 lame-3.98.2–3.fc11.x86_64 lame-devel-3.98.2–3.fc11.x86_64
[20:42:30] janneg: th1: it encodes fields
[20:42:42] wagnerrp: i used to stream mp3s to work
[20:43:00] wagnerrp: i swapped some of those out FLAC, and found my upstream bandwidth woefully inadequate
[20:43:28] juski: wouldn't care but my new portable player copes with FLAC & ogg just fine – only you don't get many albums into 8GB ;)
[20:43:46] darkdrgn2k: so any one?
[20:43:54] darkdrgn2k: why does it not like my lame version
[20:44:02] juski: maybe they broke something
[20:44:15] juski: wrong include path maybe?
[20:44:20] darkdrgn2k: hmm..
[20:44:33] darkdrgn2k: dont see much in config.err
[20:44:55] darkdrgn2k: http://pastebin.ca/1454324
[20:45:10] darkdrgn2k: seems to be complaining about ffmpeg
[20:45:19] darkdrgn2k: well nto comlaining but thats the last entries
[20:46:08] wagnerrp: that seems like something that should have been picked up with configure
[20:46:13] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: 64 bit? If so, on my FC8 system I had to add the 64 bit library path to one of the files...
[20:46:28] darkdrgn2k: J-e-f-f-A: hmmm any idea which one :-P
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[20:48:09] darkdrgn2k: is it "--extra-ldflags" ?
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[20:48:30] kormoc: I wonder if we should clean out our banlist too
[20:48:46] stuarta: kormoc: for this channel?
[20:49:01] kormoc: Yeah
[20:49:13] kormoc: a lot of them have been around for months/years
[20:49:23] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: umm... still looking... I just had to add /usr/lib64 to a file iirc...
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[20:49:50] ** sphery guesses the only file you'd ever add /usr/lib64 to would be /etc/ld.so.conf **
[20:50:01] iamlindoro: kormoc: NO, needs MOAR BANLIST
[20:50:42] iamlindoro: actually, for all of our safety, just hand over the banlist right now and I'll set her right
[20:50:43] janneg: 31 entries
[20:51:09] stuarta: there's 1 i'd definitely keep
[20:51:43] kormoc: Yeah?
[20:51:50] janneg: *mythtv*!*@*?
[20:51:54] darkdrgn2k: =)
[20:51:56] stuarta: yup :)
[20:52:14] juski: *root&!*@* too, for their own good
[20:52:33] juski: *root*!*@* too, for their own good even
[20:52:55] juski: though nobody's done that since I first logged in here I bet ;)
[20:53:06] stuarta: you would be surprised?
[20:53:10] darkdrgn2k: hmm
[20:53:12] darkdrgn2k: enabled lamemp3 && has_library libmp3lame && has_header lame/lame.h ||
[20:53:30] darkdrgn2k: and i have /usr/include/lame.h
[20:53:41] juski: stuarta: when I ran on gentoo I logged in as root as a matter of course. soon learned not to do that
[20:54:12] juski: heh see LRL are doing another gig. one day only this time.. and still in Wolverhampton
[20:54:30] ** stuarta lobs the holy hand grenade of antioch **
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[20:55:24] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: /etc/ld.so.conf  — added "/usr/lib64" to the top of the file. That's what did it for me...
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[20:56:01] darkdrgn2k: yep look slike that did it..
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[20:56:17] darkdrgn2k: thanx jeffa
[20:56:24] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: NP! ;-)
[20:57:25] darkdrgn2k: XvMC pro support is not important right?
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[20:58:08] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: I think that's only for VIA chipsets...
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[20:58:34] stuarta: channel maint
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[20:58:45] darkdrgn2k: what about XvMC OpenGL sup.
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[20:59:34] darkdrgn2k: thats a long list :-P
[20:59:41] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: If your video card is an Nvidia 8xxx or newer, XvMC isn't even supported on it. I haven't used XvMC since my PIII 1Ghz... ;-)
[20:59:42] janneg: not anymore
[20:59:45] janneg: done
[20:59:49] darkdrgn2k: LOL
[21:00:01] darkdrgn2k: really???
[21:00:02] darkdrgn2k: wow
[21:00:06] darkdrgn2k: so whats suported on a 8200?
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[21:01:19] darkdrgn2k: not htat xvmc was any good..
[21:01:23] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: VDPAU support is being worked on in trunk, and there are 'third party' backported patches for 0.21-fixes out there...
[21:01:53] darkdrgn2k: meh... i dont have hdtv sources :'( only avi (or mvk or whatever)
[21:02:01] darkdrgn2k: i could use the patched mplayer right?
[21:02:49] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: since mplayer is standalone from myth, it probably already has the support in it... But I'm not sure about that, so don't take that as gospel! ;-)
[21:03:28] darkdrgn2k: J-e-f-f-A: thats what i figured.....
[21:03:33] darkdrgn2k: i wish i had HTDV sources..
[21:03:39] darkdrgn2k: but my atsc antenna not picking up ANAYTHING
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[21:04:11] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: Humm... I get 22 channels (well, all-inclusive of the sub-channels) with my antenna pointed at Boston... (I'm 26 miles from the towers)  ;-)
[21:04:36] darkdrgn2k: J-e-f-f-A: yeh i used to get 10 channels. i moved 2 blocks away i get BARELY a buffalo channel
[21:04:47] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: Do you have a 'real' antenna, or some cheap amplified 'rabbit-ear' style thing in your house?
[21:04:48] darkdrgn2k: J-e-f-f-A: not a SINGLE toronto transmission (which i live in)
[21:05:00] darkdrgn2k: J-e-f-f-A: the "arrow" like indor antenna
[21:05:30] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: Do you own your home?
[21:05:38] darkdrgn2k: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=2767
[21:05:44] darkdrgn2k: no condo
[21:05:45] darkdrgn2k: 13th floor
[21:06:07] darkdrgn2k: (3 floors higher then my previous apt)
[21:07:34] kormoc: there's your problem
[21:07:36] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: Humm... I was gonna say to get the low-end cable TV, then they have to provide the locals... but not for you up in Canada...  :-(
[21:07:38] kormoc: 13 is unlucky
[21:07:44] J-e-f-f-A: HA!
[21:08:05] darkdrgn2k: J-e-f-f-A: i have analog cable.. just wanted the local satations
[21:08:08] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: Here in the US, they don't have a 13th floor, or if there is one, it's numbered 14...
[21:08:26] darkdrgn2k: J-e-f-f-A: there are like 7 channels being transmitted in the city
[21:08:33] darkdrgn2k: J-e-f-f-A: but they are all under 20wats!!!!
[21:08:44] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: just for giggles, do a clear-qam scan on the cable and see if they broadcast them on the cable like they do in the US.
[21:08:58] darkdrgn2k: J-e-f-f-A: i did... all encrypted..
[21:09:03] J-e-f-f-A: DOH!
[21:09:05] darkdrgn2k: J-e-f-f-A: CRTC are a-holes
[21:09:13] darkdrgn2k: J-e-f-f-A: they need to regulate it..
[21:10:10] darkdrgn2k: yeh allot of buildings here dont have the 13th floor but thast soo retarded
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[21:11:24] darkdrgn2k: the funny par tis..
[21:11:35] darkdrgn2k: im 12 km away from the tower...... thats DRIVING not strait line
[21:12:09] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: maybe you're overdriving the tuner? Can you turn the gain down on that antenna?
[21:12:16] darkdrgn2k: nop
[21:12:23] darkdrgn2k: im also facing the wrong way
[21:12:30] darkdrgn2k: facing north instead of 110
[21:12:58] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: So, 3 floors up, and on the opposite side of the building...
[21:13:02] darkdrgn2k: nop
[21:13:05] darkdrgn2k: not even
[21:13:05] darkdrgn2k: lol
[21:13:12] darkdrgn2k: the old unit was facing West..
[21:13:15] darkdrgn2k: this one is facing North
[21:13:18] darkdrgn2k: the tower is south east
[21:14:02] darkdrgn2k: remmeber.. the towers strenght is only like 7 wats
[21:14:59] darkdrgn2k: lol here: http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/
[21:15:00] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: time for a weather baloon with gyro-aligned hidden antenna... ;-)
[21:15:17] darkdrgn2k: LMAO... nice..
[21:15:29] darkdrgn2k: time for the tv company to crank up the wattage!
[21:16:21] juski: nobody would suspect a remotely controlled balloon!
[21:16:38] darkdrgn2k: lol
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[21:16:55] darkdrgn2k: helium costs are worst then gass :(
[21:17:04] juski: so use hydrogen
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[21:17:18] darkdrgn2k: there go my electricity bill..
[21:17:23] darkdrgn2k: as i seperate hydrogen from H2O
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[21:17:44] kormoc: just borrow the neighbor's power via a shared outlet?
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[21:18:00] darkdrgn2k: femon shows aboutt 8a to the bets of ad
[21:18:13] J-e-f-f-A: (or the maintence company with a cord plugged into a light socket in the hallway?)  ;-)
[21:18:19] kormoc: yeah!
[21:18:51] darkdrgn2k: think a diff antenna would help?
[21:19:08] darkdrgn2k: like a powered antenna?
[21:19:21] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: It might... Is that antenna amplified?
[21:19:26] darkdrgn2k: no
[21:19:31] juski: an outdoor antenna would help :)
[21:19:37] juski: or just a proper antenna full stop
[21:19:44] darkdrgn2k: ?
[21:19:56] darkdrgn2k: full stop?
[21:20:12] juski: i.e. not anything with a plastic base & wiggly bent bits of metal on top designed to look neat on top of a TV
[21:20:25] darkdrgn2k: ooooo
[21:20:27] juski: y'know, a *REAL* antenna
[21:20:33] darkdrgn2k: yeh i gave that oen to my sister
[21:20:39] darkdrgn2k: i had a nice 4 bay antenna...
[21:20:51] darkdrgn2k: but i'd settle for like the local news channel in hd
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[21:21:29] juski: there's no substitute for real aerials unless you live in the shadow of the mast
[21:21:34] darkdrgn2k: but the bloody tv compoany
[21:21:34] J-e-f-f-A: Problem is you're facing away from the towers... You *might* be able to pick up something with a better antenna and perhaps an amplifier. I dunno though... Or may be able to pick up an 'echo' off of a building...
[21:21:39] darkdrgn2k: 23 kw.. like wtf?
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[21:22:10] darkdrgn2k: wnlo transmists at 1000 kw!
[21:22:29] stuarta: you could fry burger in the next county with that
[21:22:33] stuarta: burgers
[21:22:34] darkdrgn2k: 1000 kW from 994' i can pickup (just bearly
[21:22:36] juski: less power is needed for ATSC/DVB
[21:22:42] darkdrgn2k: (thats from buffalo)
[21:22:51] juski: mmm frying buffalo
[21:22:56] stuarta: mmm
[21:22:56] juski: beefs!
[21:23:06] darkdrgn2k: wow i was wrong!!!!
[21:23:09] laga: sounds like a belgian steak house
[21:23:16] darkdrgn2k: CITY TV is broadcasting at only 2.2 kW from 1690'
[21:23:29] ** stuarta is off to a brazilian steak place in a few weeks mmmmmmm :) **
[21:23:36] darkdrgn2k: hey are gonna bring it up to 23...
[21:23:59] juski: hope they have nice steaks in Salou
[21:24:23] J-e-f-f-A: darkdrgn2k: good luck... I've got to head out for the day... ;-)
[21:24:24] stuarta: i'm only off to north london...
[21:24:43] darkdrgn2k: lol they are all running at liek 10% their final
[21:24:47] darkdrgn2k: no wondfer i cant pick anythign up
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[21:24:54] darkdrgn2k: thanx for the help jeffa
[21:25:04] J-e-f-f-A: np darkdrgn2k  ;-)
[21:25:35] stuarta: ah, test power output, so the engineers can get near the equipment without frying
[21:25:44] darkdrgn2k: LOL
[21:26:12] juski: god, why are there so many different versions of albums these days ffs?
[21:26:27] juski: Sam's Town – 4 versions, all with different numbers of tracks
[21:26:29] darkdrgn2k: hmm fried engenear..
[21:28:41] juski: I CAN HAZ CHEEZ WIF INGENEAR?
[21:28:50] juski: AND TEH KETSHUPZ?
[21:29:14] laga: oh hai juski
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[21:30:04] juski: hai :)
[21:32:25] juski: argghh. people on forums must know sending me PMs annoys the hell out of me
[21:32:37] laga: heh
[21:33:00] ** kormoc PMs juski to say he's sorry bout all the PMs... **
[21:33:22] sid3windr: swamped in project managers :/
[21:33:41] sid3windr: and before noon it's all account managers :/
[21:34:57] ** laga forwards some PMs to sid3windr **
[21:36:27] juski: when I get back from my holiday the lab at work might be a good deal quieter
[21:39:01] laga: did you leave some poison?
[21:39:27] juski: nope
[21:39:40] kormoc: just a bomb or two
[21:39:52] juski: latest round of cuts. less managers too
[21:40:20] juski: nobody knows what criteria people were chosen on yet, but we all suspect salary
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[21:42:06] Dibblah: Salary / sleepwithableness, depending on sex / orientation.
[21:42:23] juski: lol. at our place.. must be kidding
[21:42:28] Dibblah: So if you're still there – Be afraid ;)
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[21:42:57] juski: I'll make sure to keep some Hellerine in my desk then
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[21:45:32] juski: hrm. might transcode Ashes To Ashes to watch by the pool
[21:45:50] juski: then again if I've not bothered to watch any up to now...
[21:46:28] juski: guy at work looked at me really strangely when I said I wasn't taking my laptop on holiday. weirdo
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[21:51:55] th1: how can I get rid of this "MythTV wants to record XXXX" .. I want it to ALWAYS let me watch tv even if all tuners are busy.._
[21:52:11] th1: it just killed what I was watching because it had been paused and then I lost a big chunk
[21:52:18] ** juski sighs **
[21:52:21] th1: it is so godd*** annoying
[21:52:28] kormoc: don't use all the tuners for recording?
[21:52:37] th1: well
[21:52:46] th1: is there an option "NEver record on this tuner"?
[21:52:49] juski: or do, and just record everything in advance & waste less of your life waiting for crap to come on
[21:52:52] wagnerrp: if youre using all the tuners for recording, and still want livetv.... stop recording so much, or buy more tuners
[21:52:53] kormoc: go watch the show you were watching in the livetv group if it's less then 24 hours?
[21:53:02] th1: I have 5 tuners
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[21:53:08] wagnerrp: mythtv has no capability to dedicate a tuner to livetv
[21:53:31] wagnerrp: well it seems you obviously need moar
[21:53:32] th1: is there an option to automatically answer "Don't record this program I want to watch TV" always?
[21:53:37] th1: because this would solve the problem
[21:53:38] wagnerrp: MOAR I SAY
[21:53:41] ** juski submits a patch to rename "watch TV" to "Test Tuner(s)" **
[21:53:48] th1: yeah
[21:53:56] GreyFoxx: th1: No, but that would be a simple code mod
[21:54:17] iamlindoro: Anyone want to respond to the users list message where the guy says that .22 isn't coming out anywhere in the near future, to the guy who was going to wait for VDPAU so long as it came out in the next six months?
[21:54:28] iamlindoro: And instead he's now off to patch his .21?
[21:54:33] juski: define 'near future'
[21:54:47] kormoc: Who cares?
[21:54:49] juski: ;-)
[21:55:03] juski: let them eat Aventard
[21:55:10] SHADOW_V1: buy 7 cards
[21:55:18] th1: well live tv is an important feature for when you just discover something is on that you want to watch. I don't understand why there is resistance to adding a few convenience features to make livetv much better..
[21:55:39] GreyFoxx: Who said there is resistance ?
[21:55:39] SHADOW_V1: iamlindoro, clearly devs need to cater to people who havnt dont anything for the project
[21:55:40] kormoc: th1, erm... resistance? you haven't submitted a patch to fix it...
[21:55:43] juski: no resistance as such
[21:55:48] iamlindoro: th1, Nobody is resistant to new features, they just aren't obliged to do it themselves for a function they don't use
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[21:55:54] GreyFoxx: Lack of interest is NOT resistance
[21:55:57] wagnerrp: th1: largely because mythtv is coded by people writing stuff they want to use, and few devs use livetv
[21:56:10] kormoc: %s/few/no/
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[21:56:43] th1: well, why is "Watch TV" the main option when you start myth then ;)
[21:56:47] GreyFoxx: In the last year (not including just testing stuff) I've actually intentionally watched livetv for an hour during the Obama election results
[21:57:12] kormoc: th1, that's actually been up for debate as to if it should be moved to a sub menu or just removed outright...
[21:57:33] th1: well
[21:57:45] th1: I am sure a lot of people use the Live feature if not the devs
[21:57:56] th1: and I'm even sure that many wives of devs use it too
[21:57:58] kormoc: in my theme, it's 2 submenus deep
[21:58:13] kormoc: nah
[21:58:26] kormoc: just think ahead a few minutes and it's all covered
[21:58:42] GreyFoxx: th1: You'd likely be wrong :)
[21:58:44] iamlindoro: th1, The fact remains that none of the devs are interested in working on Live TV, and as such aren't obliged to improve it
[21:58:46] th1: doesn't help when you come home from work and discover there's something on you want to watch
[21:58:55] GreyFoxx: My wife for example HATES livetv cause she can't skip commercials :)
[21:59:02] stuarta: i wouldn't mind it not being crap
[21:59:10] th1: or if you just want to watch the news.
[21:59:13] iamlindoro: We have this conversation at least biweekly, for at least a few years, and yet nobody doing the bitching has ever done any of the work
[21:59:14] stuarta: but i have no time to spend on it
[21:59:15] kormoc: th1, I'd just hop on mythweb and ask it to record it when it's next on, patience is a virtue
[21:59:15] Dibblah: Neither would I.
[21:59:26] kormoc: th1, nah, I'm a online news guy, local news sucks imho
[21:59:31] stuarta: if i want to watch live tv, i use my tv
[21:59:48] th1: well in UK we have a fair number of commercial free stations and also some decent news programmes
[21:59:50] Dibblah: The odd thing is, recording and watching 5 seconds behind works just fine.
[21:59:54] GreyFoxx: I'm ALL FOR improving it. I just am only willing to test it not do the coding as I don't actually use LiveTV
[22:00:05] ** Dibblah wonders about stripping out the livetv code completely ;) **
[22:00:17] GreyFoxx: hide he menu item :)
[22:00:20] th1: well tbh it does work reasonably well except for a few things that could easily be improved
[22:00:21] kormoc: th1, well, the short of it is, submit some patches to make it better and enjoy it
[22:00:45] kormoc: or pay someone to do it for you, that's been done in the past as well
[22:01:44] th1: kormoc, that would be an option if 0.22 was out .. but paying to have someone fix livetv in 0.21 would be silly
[22:01:59] th1: also fixing it myself in 0.21 would be somewhat silly..
[22:02:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[22:02:06] GreyFoxx: so fix it in trunk
[22:02:18] GreyFoxx: then it will be thre for 0.22(or whateveri gets called)
[22:02:20] th1: I would move to trunk if WAF reports were slightly better
[22:02:21] kormoc: the changing of the default option is a few line fix, if not a single line
[22:02:59] Dibblah: I love these "easily be improved" people.
[22:03:09] th1: if only there was a way to work with trunk and then convert the db back to use 0.21-f for production
[22:03:26] iamlindoro: The effective range of an excuse is 0 meters
[22:03:27] kormoc: such as backups?
[22:03:39] GreyFoxx: o run it all in a vm
[22:03:40] sid3windr: such as maps.
[22:03:47] GreyFoxx: trunk be/mysql/fe
[22:03:54] GreyFoxx: use the mpeg2 dummy recorder for the tuner
[22:04:03] th1: vm, backups, either way it doesn't fix that I only have a fixed number of tuners
[22:04:11] ** kormoc laughs **
[22:04:14] th1: I have 2 backends and one frontend
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[22:04:27] kormoc: you scared juski away!
[22:04:43] th1: nah he probably just went to bed
[22:04:43] kormoc: so you don't want to fix it because it won't help, so then how would fixing it help?
[22:05:14] highzeth: seriously? Has it been up for debate to ditch live-tv?
[22:05:18] th1: it would help if 0.22 was stable
[22:05:35] th1: I think if live tv was ditched it would be very bad for the project
[22:05:44] kormoc: highzeth, aye, noone wants to spend the time coding on it, so sure, it's been talked about
[22:06:04] kormoc: the fact that there's noone that wants to put the time/effort into it says a lot, no matter what other people might say imho
[22:06:41] stuarta: i run both production and dev setups on the one box
[22:06:53] th1: stuarta, how do you deal with tuners?
[22:07:02] highzeth: kormoc: ok, I dont know what to say to that, Im stumped
[22:07:08] Dibblah: Core Myth is almost 750,000 lines. It takes _years_ for someone to understand a codebase that large.
[22:07:14] stuarta: either 1. run only one type at a time
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[22:07:27] stuarta: 2. have enough tuners that you can spread them around
[22:07:55] GreyFoxx: the longer one runs myth the rarer you find a reason to use livetv
[22:07:56] wilturn: well.. if you always want to watch what you are watching, why not just hit the record button and be sure that takes higher priority (defaults to 1 I think)
[22:08:02] GreyFoxx: IT's a remnant of the past
[22:08:15] wilturn: not a great answer but its how I handle it
[22:08:32] highzeth: GreyFoxx: My family must be reaaaal slow then, used it for many years, and live tv is on for hours on several nodes on this farm
[22:08:41] th1: yeah
[22:08:46] GreyFoxx: highzeth: Then you are the rarity
[22:08:53] GreyFoxx: Not saying it's bad or anything
[22:09:00] highzeth: ok, time to check out options then :/
[22:09:01] GreyFoxx: just not the usage pattern most seem to fall into
[22:09:06] th1: GreyFoxx, the fact is I'm sure many people feel likkee that
[22:09:16] GreyFoxx: but bh I do not xpect to see livetv go away :)
[22:09:19] meshe: the more commercials they add to a show the less i want to watch live tv
[22:09:24] kormoc: th1, then they can start submitting patches and making it better
[22:09:38] th1: kormoc, apparently it's not the coder types who use live tv ;)
[22:09:47] highzeth: meshe: why? you just pause the fawker, make yourself a cup of tea & skip forward when you are back..
[22:10:00] kormoc: th1, and thus the issue with a volunteer based project...
[22:10:03] th1: highzeth, yeah thats what I do
[22:10:26] meshe: or i could record what i want to watch and watch it commerial free at my convenience
[22:10:35] th1: kormoc, yes you have a point but many devs actually do things not *only* because they want it themselves
[22:10:49] th1: but because it improves the product overall
[22:10:56] meshe: my husband pretty much gave up on watching on the cable co's schedule about 2 years ago
[22:10:56] highzeth: GreyFoxx: I hope you are right, I'd hate to change "team" at this stage, even my old man has learned the way of the frontend
[22:10:57] Dibblah: Myth is not a product.
[22:11:23] iamlindoro: th1, The fact remains, none of the *myth* devs are interested in LiveTV, so if someone wants something done, they can do it themselves, or pay to motivate someone
[22:11:49] iamlindoro: Saying "some devs etc. etc. etc." is disingenuous, the *myth* devs want to enjoy their work on myth, and they aren't interested in LiveTV.
[22:11:58] highzeth: since non are motivated from the start, that price tag I fear is more than I can afford iamlindoro ;)
[22:12:08] meshe: i only forsee livetv being removed if it becomes way too much of a hassle to keep working
[22:12:11] iamlindoro: Money is highly motivating
[22:12:21] Dibblah: Money is also overrated.
[22:12:22] iamlindoro: lots of money is very highly motivating
[22:12:24] kormoc: highzeth, there's been pools done in the past where a few dozen folks each tossed a few bucks to get a feature
[22:12:25] th1: iamlindoro, I am sure many devs are interested in many end users liking Myth and using it
[22:12:39] Dibblah: As compared to the amount of time / effort involved in even the smallest task.
[22:13:02] Dibblah: ie $500 goes _nowhere_ towards a proper livetv rework.
[22:13:11] highzeth: presicely..
[22:13:17] iamlindoro: th1, one last time, none of the myth devs are interested in Live TV, none of them are going to do it for you, and while I'm sure many of them are interested in other people's experience, NONE OF THEM WANT TO WORK ON LIVE TV
[22:13:32] th1: Dibblah, what is so bad about LiveTV at the moment? There are just a few annoyances it basically works.
[22:13:46] mchou: lol
[22:13:54] Dibblah: At the moment, in trunk, there is some serious breakage.
[22:14:02] mchou: th1: seems like you're the one complaining
[22:14:03] kormoc: personally, I don't really care, if people like my code and it's useful for them, enjoy, else I'm still enjoying my code, and that's all that matters to me
[22:14:46] meshe: Dibblah: what kind of breakage in trunk?
[22:15:01] mchou: Seriously, if you have myth, why you you even want to use livetv?
[22:15:08] meshe: my trunk install seems to work fine in "Test Tuner Cards" mode
[22:15:18] mchou: s/you you/would you
[22:15:23] Dibblah: Probably just me, then ;)
[22:15:24] kormoc: There's been certain things I've just avoided, adding multiple dir support to mythweb's mythvideo, I have no interest in it at all, and it's sat there unfixed, someone wrote a patch and it was going to get fixed, but then a bunch of folks changed how it was on disk anyway
[22:15:38] Dibblah: And there's a MEMORY LEAK in MYTHBACKEND! ;)
[22:15:43] iamlindoro: Dibblah, hahahah
[22:15:50] iamlindoro: Dibblah, ps -aux proves it!
[22:15:51] highzeth: mchou: watching things *live* not a good enough reason?
[22:16:02] meshe: well, there is in mtd, but i'm not going there
[22:16:13] mchou: highzeth: you wanna watch live, use the tuner on your TV
[22:16:30] meshe: or record it and play it in watch recordings a few seconds later
[22:16:31] highzeth: mchou: what tuner on my tv? You assume we have analogue tv here still?
[22:16:47] th1: mchou, my tv tuner doesn't have DVB-S and DVB-T all rolled into one in the channel layout I like and with pause/skip/rewind feature
[22:16:57] mchou: highzeth: lol. QAM tuner, sat tuner, whatever
[22:17:04] highzeth: I can buy 8 new tuners, so all the family can get live tv as they get now, but thats really not a good option imho ;)
[22:17:52] mchou: th1: well, you're just gonna have to suffer with the rest of the Europeans
[22:18:02] kormoc: highzeth, have them pick the shows they like, take them on a vacation, when they come back, there's a week backlog of tv, they'll never get though it...
[22:18:13] highzeth: would also need to redo 200 meters of coax thats been pulled between houses & dishes.. ;)
[22:19:07] meshe: my parents use the live tv portion of myth all the time, they are getting more used to recording everything though
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[22:19:55] highzeth: kormoc: they record when they are away, but thats really not the topic ;)
[22:20:05] mchou: again, why would anyone want to use myth for livetv? Use the tuner ON YOUR TV
[22:20:36] mchou: or uae any tuner, just not myth for live TV. End of story
[22:20:36] troldrik: Because I don't have an cable in me bedroom?
[22:20:42] mchou: use*
[22:20:47] highzeth: mchou: then *we* would need to buy 8 new tuners.. we have spent that money in building up the 5 backends with 8x tuners..
[22:21:13] laga: just don't upgrade?
[22:21:17] mchou: highzeth: no, you dont get it. You can use any tuner. JUST NOT MYTH
[22:21:34] mchou: highzeth: use mplayer for all I care
[22:21:41] mchou: for liveTV
[22:21:46] highzeth: ffs, yeah, great advice, met my old man?
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[22:22:06] mchou: your old man aint paying any myth devs
[22:22:07] Dibblah: What's the point in this argument? ;)
[22:22:19] laga: no, seriously, never touch a running system :)
[22:22:20] highzeth: but sure, I'll def look into alternatives
[22:22:22] ** stuarta sticks head in sand cause it's quiet in there **
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[22:22:48] Dibblah: If you have the tuners attached to a Myth box, liveTV isn't too bad on 0.21.
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[22:23:41] highzeth: Dibblah: I know, there is perty much 6 tuners constantly on here.. we have used myth for years, but to say that most of my family gotta learn how to use mplayer is just silly
[22:23:44] stuarta: it sucks in later versions
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[22:24:06] Dibblah: stuarta here is our marketing guy! ;)
[22:24:07] mchou: highzeth: there is nothing to learn regarding using mplayer
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[22:24:17] stuarta: :)
[22:24:24] mchou: highzeth: you fire it us just like any other app
[22:24:33] mchou: s/us/up
[22:24:54] mchou: hit escape to quit
[22:25:00] highzeth: mchou: Im not up for debating the technical level of my family, just trust me when I say, *THAT* is *NOT* an alternative for them
[22:25:14] kormoc: highzeth, just ignore him
[22:25:18] highzeth: but thanks for your brilliant inputs!
[22:25:25] highzeth: kormoc: wilco, added to ignore ;)
[22:25:25] th1: lol, you guys could probably have fixed LiveTV support in half of the time you spent arguing against it ;)
[22:25:39] kormoc: th1, and you could have as well
[22:25:43] Dibblah: th1: Again, you underestimate the task.
[22:25:46] mchou: no, if it were that easy it would have been fixed already
[22:25:47] th1: kormoc, not quite I don't think
[22:25:49] troldrik: And I'm sure mplayer integrates just perfectly in mythfrontend.
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[22:26:03] Dibblah: It's not a simple problem and it _has_ been looked at in-passing.
[22:26:16] highzeth: Im *very* happy with myth as-is, granted I miss being able to use my hd cards fully, but hey, I'll stick to live-tv and use a diff solution for them if it comes to that =)
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[22:26:47] th1: what makes me think it ought to be simple is, when watching liveTV it's just like recording whatever is currently on TV and then just watching it as it records.. if that works, then it ought to be fairly simple?
[22:26:50] stuarta: i happen to agree, telling people to use mplayer for livetv is crap
[22:26:59] stuarta: but livetv is crap
[22:27:11] stuarta: ergo, everything is crap
[22:27:21] Dibblah: th1: Saying it's simple doesn't make it simple.
[22:27:29] mchou: stuarta: go take a crap outside then
[22:27:30] highzeth: it works, I aint complaining as long as it works =)
[22:27:40] stuarta: :-p
[22:28:17] mchou: stuarta: you dont like mplayer use xine
[22:28:33] stuarta: it's not what app, it's the principle
[22:28:48] stuarta: me, a dev, would like livetv to not suck in hea
[22:28:57] stuarta: s/hea/svn
[22:29:05] stuarta: i however have no time to work on it
[22:29:15] mchou: no, the overriding principle is if you have myth, why would you use myth to watch livetv
[22:29:17] stuarta: if i see patches then i'll review them
[22:29:26] stuarta: testing :-p
[22:29:34] stuarta: that's all i use it for
[22:29:47] troldrik: Your use case != everyones... how hard is that to get?
[22:30:10] stuarta: i get it
[22:30:10] th1: fact is that some want livetv and I for one, would be more likely to use trunk if it was working there
[22:30:11] mchou: troldrik: dude, you havent even supplied a use case
[22:30:17] ** stuarta insults troldrik **
[22:30:22] th1: and if I used trunk I would be more likely to bother to write patches
[22:30:31] th1: because I don't want to write patches for 0.21 that nobody will use but me
[22:30:43] laga: th1: problem is, your opinion doesn't matter if you don't contribute patches
[22:30:52] th1: well
[22:30:57] mchou: troldrik: I've been asking why you'd use livetv with myth and still havent gotten an aswer
[22:31:02] mchou: answer*
[22:31:12] th1: I can't contribute a big patch to fix every livetv in trunk can I .. that would be a bit of a big starting task eh?
[22:31:22] troldrik: mchou: you have gotten at least 2 from people.
[22:31:27] mchou: troldrik: "no cable in me bedroom" doesnt count
[22:31:38] th1: mchou, there are good use cases for livetv but you refuse to acknowledge them ;)
[22:31:59] ** stuarta sighs **
[22:32:00] th1: one *major* use case is as a bridge for people beginning to use MythTV
[22:32:10] stuarta: i agree
[22:32:12] th1: suddenly they can pause and replay etc.
[22:32:21] th1: and then they realise how easily they can record also
[22:32:30] mchou: so?
[22:32:39] mchou: mplayer has the same functions
[22:32:59] th1: mchou, its like you are refusing to see the obvious here
[22:33:05] mchou: in fact mplayer is better for livetv
[22:33:19] th1: well its not integrated with the rest of myth is it
[22:33:27] th1: do you just press "Record" and exit, and then it will record the rest in myth?
[22:33:35] mchou: integrated?
[22:33:43] th1: does it have a consistent UI with what you are used to for watching moveis and recorded programmes?
[22:33:43] mchou: wtf? it's livetv
[22:34:00] th1: mchou, livetv is no different from watching recorded tv
[22:34:21] mchou: you were watching live Tv before we had computers, for god's sake
[22:34:24] th1: that's one of the major benefits of myth
[22:34:41] th1: you still want a single interface for all your TV use
[22:34:50] th1: not mplayer for live, myth for video, and some 3rd crap for dvds or wahtever
[22:34:56] th1: thats the whole idea of myth integrating everything
[22:35:01] mchou: yeah, I'm sure mythtv devs agree
[22:35:02] th1: including livetv
[22:35:17] kormoc: th1, just ignore him...
[22:35:19] mchou: which is why they havent worked on livetv
[22:35:23] stuarta: mchou: he's got a valid use case, so unless you have something better than "use mplayer" please shutup
[22:35:30] stuarta: +to say
[22:35:34] th1: ty
[22:35:45] GreyFoxx: v
[22:35:59] mchou: stuarta: what use case?
[22:36:10] mchou: stuarta: he's babling about integration
[22:36:16] mchou: babbling*
[22:36:33] mchou: integration ain't a "use case"
[22:36:35] Shadow_v3: iamlindoro: hows your dog doing
[22:36:36] th1: mchou, you seem to have selective hearing and trollish tendencies ;)
[22:36:37] stuarta: watching tv, pause rewind, like the heavily advertised STB by a major broadcaster here
[22:36:44] mchou: myth allows you to watch dvds
[22:36:56] mchou: he brings up a bunch of non-sequiturs
[22:37:00] iamlindoro: Shadow_v3, She's in trouble, she's been escaping her pen
[22:37:37] kormoc: Is it me or is the first two weeks and the last two weeks of any job the best?
[22:37:38] mchou: stuarta: which part of mplayer has that didnt you get?
[22:37:43] Shadow_v3: no good ground her with the others who misbehave
[22:37:53] stuarta: mchou: mplayer isn't part of mythtv
[22:38:02] Shadow_v3: kormoc: yes aslong as you have another job lined up :(
[22:38:16] kormoc: Which I do
[22:38:17] stuarta: mythtv as a whole should be able to support what he wants to do, and guess what, it does...
[22:38:18] mchou: stuarta: so? I never said it was.
[22:38:33] stuarta: it just happens to suck at it
[22:38:38] mchou: stuarta: and like I said, you dont like mplayer, use xine
[22:38:44] Shadow_v3: hmm i have failed to get another job as of yet
[22:39:24] stuarta: mchou: you don't get it do you?
[22:39:40] mchou: stuarta: ahh, now you're complaining mplayer "sucks" at live tv. So it aint about the integration, is it?
[22:39:57] th1: ... troll alert ...
[22:40:00] stuarta: no, i said mythtv svn version sucks at livetv
[22:40:08] stuarta: now stop pissing me off
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[22:40:32] sphery: really... he just finished cleaning up the ban list--no sense in cluttering it up, again :)
[22:40:45] stuarta: i'm willing to start
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[22:40:55] mchou: stuarta: you're only pissing yourself off since you cant play dodgeball
[22:41:10] kormoc: I like asking chanserv to quiet folks, that's fun
[22:41:29] _abbenormal: lol
[22:41:50] ** stuarta sighs **
[22:42:05] ** iamlindoro beers stuarta **
[22:42:11] stuarta: ta
[22:42:13] ** stuarta drinks **
[22:42:17] iamlindoro: We've all been there, deep breaths
[22:42:28] _abbenormal: not you iamlindoro
[22:42:36] stuarta: i seem to remember an old description of mythtv
[22:42:43] Shadow_v3: iamlindoro: i am proud of you
[22:42:47] Shadow_v3: you didnt get involved
[22:42:50] kormoc: "By developers, For developers"?
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[22:43:15] stuarta: "Mythical Convergence. Do everything in one place. watch tv, record, play dvd's etc"
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[22:43:21] iamlindoro: Shadow_v3, I figure those who wieldeth the bandhammer can defend themselves :)
[22:43:28] stuarta: _convergence_ that's a key point in there
[22:43:34] iamlindoro: _abbenormal, You're right, I'm more the cool, calm, collected type :)
[22:43:49] _abbenormal: i know lol
[22:43:50] stuarta: everything together, not by assembling lots of other apps together
[22:43:54] _abbenormal: lmao
[22:44:02] Shadow_v3: :)
[22:44:41] highzeth: stuarta: yeah, thats what got me into mythtv, and kormoc dont blame us for you guys making such a nice product even non-devs want to use it ;)
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[22:45:22] kormoc: highzeth, don't get me wrong, I'm happy it works for you all, it's just not my primary motivation for working on it, tis all :)
[22:45:50] mchou: stuarta: apparent you're missing the irony. It's called "myth"
[22:45:51] highzeth: fully understand..
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[22:46:54] sphery: mchou: the mythical part was the promises by the cable/satellite companies
[22:47:04] sphery: mythtv brought it
[22:47:30] mchou: umm...
[22:47:41] highzeth: speaking of cabl/sat companies, did I hear right that tivo boxes calls home stats on usage?
[22:47:41] mchou: cable has "triple play"
[22:47:54] kormoc: Aye
[22:47:58] mchou: internet, tv, phone....
[22:48:02] iamlindoro: highzeth, yeah, have for a long time
[22:48:04] sphery: and in 2001, they had, what?
[22:48:10] mchou: that's what convergence means to them
[22:48:12] iamlindoro: highzeth, As do most (if not all) Cable Co DVRs too)
[22:48:12] highzeth: O'Really ... sneaky bastards collecting valuable data there ;)
[22:48:51] highzeth: iamlindoro: I have not reay any Norwegian provider doing that, but thats def something I will dig into and check
[22:48:55] kormoc: Myth just reports everything to datamine.kormoc.co.... erm.... nowhere.... I promise!
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[22:48:56] mchou: sphery: "convergence" didnt mean they were gonna offer those things on "one box"
[22:49:06] highzeth: s/reay/heard of/
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[22:49:32] iamlindoro: highzeth, IMO I don't mind sharing my usage with the cable co's at all if it meant my watching influenced the ratings, and it were properly anonymized
[22:49:44] mchou: sphery: if that's what you thought they meant by "convergence" you were mistaken
[22:50:01] ** kormoc launches www.iamlindoroJustWatched.com **
[22:50:07] iamlindoro: kormoc, hehe
[22:50:20] sphery: I thought that was already out there--twitter.com or something
[22:50:33] kormoc: oh true! Always late to the party...
[22:50:35] iamlindoro: kormoc, too late! http://twitter.com/iamlindoroMyth
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[22:50:38] Shadow_v3: iamlindoro: did that for himself
[22:50:39] Shadow_v3: yeah
[22:50:50] highzeth: iamlindoro: well, its prime steak in directed ads.. Im not sure Id like any to know my watching patterns. ...apart from myself ofc ;)
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[22:51:05] iamlindoro: The hilarious part is after I wrote that script, I waited a week or two and now you can find dozens and dozens of myboxes twittering using my script
[22:51:12] iamlindoro: When I wrote it as a joke
[22:51:25] Dagmar: Joke's on you
[22:51:34] Dagmar: There's no such thing as "not important enough" for twitter people
[22:51:34] kormoc: you know, if you get enough folks using it, you'll summon the fail whale
[22:51:47] Dagmar: THey'll twitter when they're taking a whiz if they can find an iPhone app for it
[22:51:51] kormoc: (super news for the win)
[22:52:02] Shadow_v3: fail whale?
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[22:52:40] kormoc: Shadow_v3, youtube search for "SuperNews Twitter"
[22:52:42] iamlindoro: Shadow_v3, A failure message on twitter
[22:52:54] iamlindoro: ISTR it's a whale falling through the air?
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[22:53:18] kormoc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN2HAroA12w
[22:53:33] kormoc: it's a whale being lifted by tweets
[22:53:58] iamlindoro: Ah, I was close-ish
[22:54:01] kormoc: what's really scary is http://www.geeked.info/wp-content/uploads/200 . . . il_whale.jpg
[22:54:23] kormoc: Fail Whale Tattoo
[22:54:35] iamlindoro: Goes down in history with the tux and apple tattoos
[22:56:19] iamlindoro: oh, and the zune tattoo guy!
[22:56:21] iamlindoro: That has to be the worst
[22:56:31] iamlindoro: partly for the tattoo, mostly for the guy
[22:56:39] Shadow_v3: just shows how pathetic people are
[22:56:41] iamlindoro: http://www.pmptoday.com/wp-content/uploads/20 . . . e_tattoo.jpg
[22:56:53] Shadow_v3: lol ther should be a twitter db
[22:56:57] Shadow_v3: where it rates twitters on how pathetic people are
[22:57:10] kormoc: "Welcome to the social" is a zune marketing message, no?
[22:57:24] Shadow_v3: sounds like it
[22:57:28] iamlindoro: yar
[22:57:39] kormoc: so not just one, but two eh?
[22:57:41] ** kormoc sighs **
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[22:58:17] iamlindoro: three, there's more on the other arm
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[22:58:30] kormoc: obsessive a tad
[22:58:38] iamlindoro: "and I'm a PC"
[22:58:38] iamlindoro: heh
[22:58:55] Shadow_v3: didnt he get it removed because he hates zune now
[22:59:12] iamlindoro: I don't know, I just work here
[22:59:33] jpabq: iamlindoro: you are FAR from PC
[22:59:45] kormoc: http://www.engadget.com/tag/zune+tattoo+guy/
[22:59:52] iamlindoro: jpabq, Thank you for saying so, but I meant the Zune tattoo guy :)
[22:59:53] kormoc: he did get it removed
[23:00:46] iamlindoro: Wonder what his response is to the new Zune, then
[23:01:27] laga: "welcome to the social"
[23:01:28] laga: oh god
[23:01:28] iamlindoro: He may be in the chair somewhere right now :)
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[23:01:57] kormoc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBbOBc-L720 <-- his 'last' message
[23:02:57] iamlindoro: With friends like him, the Zune needs no enemies
[23:03:07] laga: heh
[23:03:15] laga: he wanted to change his name?
[23:03:22] laga: must be an attention whore
[23:03:23] kormoc: Aye
[23:03:41] Shadow_v3: :)
[23:04:01] laga: lol
[23:04:03] laga: "It's a new form of marketing... steve jobs is a fricken genius "
[23:04:09] Shadow_v3: i love this video as if america is getting let down
[23:04:16] iamlindoro: "I can kind of smell when a company is slowly pulling out of a product"
[23:04:19] Dagmar: Amazing!
[23:04:22] Shadow_v3: oh no so sorry to see you go what will happen if you dont like it
[23:04:23] Dagmar: Who taught a walrus to speak?
[23:04:27] iamlindoro: This was a year ago, note that there is a new Zune right now :)
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[23:05:56] iamlindoro: he needs to get some posters on those walls
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[23:06:15] iamlindoro: But the chinet paper dishes in the background are classy
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[23:16:49] Dassu: 7040_20071207082843.mpg.png.new <- THis indicates that the recording was made in year 2007 ?
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[23:18:30] iamlindoro: yes
[23:19:31] Dassu: Thanks! O_O
[23:19:36] iamlindoro: np
[23:23:45] Mozz: any arch linux users online?
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[23:25:20] iamlindoro: I should hope so, they have a network stack too
[23:25:50] iamlindoro: But this channel is not strong on volunteerism, so it would be wiser just to ask the question
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[23:28:42] ** laga using arch. **
[23:29:31] iamlindoro: Well now you've done it, you are his assigned support person. FOREVER.
[23:29:34] iamlindoro: ;)
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[23:30:03] Mozz: iamlindoro: :D
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[23:31:50] Mozz: im just curious what i should do with this error: http://pastebin.com/m727ec19f
[23:31:57] Mozz: am i missing some package or something
[23:32:01] sphery: Dassu: use mythrename.pl --link ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythrename.pl )
[23:32:11] iamlindoro: See? Don't need to be running arch to know what that is
[23:32:20] iamlindoro: could have cut out the whole last 5 minutes
[23:32:34] iamlindoro: You need a qt3 mysql driver installed
[23:32:34] Mozz: i can log to mysql prompt with user mythtv and password
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[23:32:48] sphery: Mozz: #
[23:32:49] sphery: QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
[23:33:02] sphery: i.e. the Qt MySQL driver
[23:33:07] iamlindoro: echo
[23:33:08] iamlindoro: echo
[23:33:08] iamlindoro: echo
[23:33:09] sphery: part of Qt, not part of Myth
[23:33:20] sphery: and not part of MySQL
[23:33:38] Mozz: i have searched for it, but there is not any package in package management
[23:33:43] sphery: so, what? I'm a little late to the party :)
[23:33:56] darkdrgn2k: you need to install qt3 mysql (or qt4 mysql if using trunk)
[23:34:12] darkdrgn2k: mozz: what distro?
[23:34:15] Mozz: arch linux
[23:34:33] iamlindoro: http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/myt . . . linux-3.html
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[23:34:42] iamlindoro: Curse you, google, with your correct answers on the first page!
[23:34:49] darkdrgn2k: :-P
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[23:34:58] darkdrgn2k: i know now we cnat get spoon fed!
[23:35:20] darkdrgn2k: ARG compiling myth takes sooo long
[23:35:35] darkdrgn2k: Btw you guys might want to add Xmu to the config checklist.... my config passed but that was still missing :-P
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[23:36:14] Mozz: iamlindoro: yes, i have googled and googled and missed that
[23:38:10] darkdrgn2k: yay myth just finished compiling
[23:38:18] Mozz: but it's sad if i had to remove kdemod3
[23:40:11] sphery: I thought removing KDE was a good thing.  ;)
[23:40:32] iamlindoro: an upgrade, if you will
[23:42:35] darkdrgn2k: is there anythign special i need to do to get hdmi audio out?
[23:42:40] darkdrgn2k: or is it on by default?
[23:42:46] darkdrgn2k: (using hdmi for video right now)
[23:43:44] iamlindoro: new enough ALSA to support your HDMI audio hardware, properly configured alsa out line in myth
[23:44:07] darkdrgn2k: hmm any docs?
[23:44:29] darkdrgn2k: (using brand new Fedora 11 :))
[23:44:38] iamlindoro: www.alsa.org and wiki.mythtv.org, presumably
[23:44:51] ** darkdrgn2k sighs for the lack of spoon fed answers **
[23:44:52] darkdrgn2k: LOL
[23:44:57] darkdrgn2k: thanx ill go look
[23:45:15] iamlindoro: There's nothing to document, it's just like any audio out device
[23:45:33] iamlindoro: need new enough audio drivers that they have support for it, then you change the audio out device in myth just like you would with any audio out device
[23:45:44] darkdrgn2k: aa 10–4
[23:47:54] Mozz: maybe i try compile qt-enhanced with mysql support using abs
[23:49:35] iamlindoro: Maybe I'll clap loudly and proclaim that I too believe it fairies
[23:49:42] iamlindoro: er in
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[23:50:12] iamlindoro: anyway, there is a whole distro built around Myth and Arch, so if you're having to perform any sort of acrobatics, odds are you are doing something wrong
[23:50:38] iamlindoro: and if you've installed another package that includes a broken qt3, that counts as wrong
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[23:51:34] Mozz: yeah, but i think that is kdemod's developers fault
[23:51:43] sphery: LinHES ft(Arch)w
[23:51:43] iamlindoro: indeed
[23:52:16] iamlindoro: but it also means that to end up with a supported system, you are going to need to make a choice between myth and kdemod
[23:52:24] iamlindoro: and ideally, file a bug with them too
[23:52:44] Mozz: i would use some dedicated myth distro if i had dedicated computer to myth
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[23:53:24] Mozz: but this is my desktop (testing myth now, if it is great maybe i would buy dedicated computer)
[23:53:36] iamlindoro: It's great
[23:53:43] iamlindoro: there, look at how much time I saved you!
[23:53:47] sphery: <idle-wondering>Hasn't arch been around for years? Why's it getting so popular now?</idle-wondering>
[23:54:09] Shadow_v3: iamlindoro: *known for saving people time*
[23:54:37] iamlindoro: sphery, Because linux users are a bunch of whiny narcissists who can't deal with the slightest difference in approach?
[23:54:44] Shadow_v3: talk of the tickless kernel and omg its faster
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[23:59:57] sphery: the tickless kernel is starting to annoy me... It makes a lot of scripts I have not work. (I.e. script that starts a bunch of terms and passes a name for each that encodes the workspace on which it should be placed, then devilspie moves it, but the name changes before devilspie's rule executes, so it doesn't switch workspaces)

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