| Sunday, June 7th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:23] | pizzledizzle: | how will mythtv know when to stop recording |
| [00:00:29] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [00:00:30] | wagnerrp: | if you are in livetv, and press record (default 'r'), it will create a record rule for that current show |
| [00:00:34] | kormoc: | how does it know to stop recording now? |
| [00:00:42] | wagnerrp: | and use the current record buffer |
| [00:00:45] | iamlindoro: | this all presumes you have listing info |
| [00:00:50] | wagnerrp: | it will record to the end of the show |
| [00:00:51] | iamlindoro: | if you don't have listing info, you are doing myth wrong |
| [00:00:55] | pizzledizzle: | i have no listing info |
| [00:01:04] | iamlindoro: | as you are in the US, there's no excuse for not having listings |
| [00:01:05] | wagnerrp: | if you dont have listing info, you probably shouldnt be using mythtv |
| [00:01:21] | pizzledizzle: | i only use mythtv for 1 channel |
| [00:01:31] | pizzledizzle: | scheduling is done manually. works better than a vcr |
| [00:01:57] | kormoc: | pizzledizzle, and then you're stuck, as without that manual schedule, myth won't know when to stop, there's no solution for you |
| [00:02:22] | pizzledizzle: | is there an equivalent of record button as in vcr |
| [00:02:27] | kormoc: | no |
| [00:02:48] | kormoc: | all the recording is designed around having listing information, which you don't have, so none of it will work for you |
| [00:03:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv was never intended to be used without schedule information |
| [00:03:20] | wagnerrp: | and so no one has bothered to make it easy to do so |
| [00:03:23] | pizzledizzle: | is listing info free? |
| [00:03:27] | kormoc: | no |
| [00:03:35] | kormoc: | pizzledizzle, http://www.schedulesdirect.org |
| [00:03:46] | kormoc: | you get a free two week trial, and then it's very cheap per year afterwards |
| [00:03:58] | pizzledizzle: | it requires an ir blaster, right? |
| [00:04:12] | wagnerrp: | why would it? |
| [00:04:23] | kormoc: | that depends on what you're doing, listings data itself doesn't |
| [00:04:26] | wagnerrp: | what does listings info have anything to do with controlling an external tuner? |
| [00:04:29] | GreyFoxx: | man I gotta remember to renew my subscription |
| [00:04:39] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I believe he has a cable box he's recording off of manually |
| [00:04:44] | pizzledizzle: | yeah |
| [00:04:54] | wagnerrp: | the point still stands |
| [00:05:04] | kormoc: | then yes, to get the benefit of using myth, you'll need a ir blaster |
| [00:06:41] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, without myth controlling the channel, it won't know what channel he's on anyway, and thus makes the data kinda useless... |
| [00:06:59] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: not if hes only ever on a single channel |
| [00:07:24] | wagnerrp: | unless that was poor wording of what hes doing |
| [00:08:41] | wagnerrp: | however if your tuner card IS actually tuned to a channel, youre once again doing it wrong |
| [00:09:19] | wagnerrp: | youll get much better capture over svideo than the rf modulator in your cable box |
| [00:10:51] | iamlindoro: | Heh, all the SD early adopters renew at almost exactly the same time each year :) |
| [00:11:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i renewed a couple weeks ago |
| [00:11:09] | iamlindoro: | Ayway, Schedules Direct is an amazing bargain for the two-movie-ticket price |
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| [00:11:28] | iamlindoro: | $20 a year to get all I get out of Myth is a trifle |
| [00:12:30] | wagnerrp: | well... plus the power, and hardware, and cable and satellite bills |
| [00:13:18] | wagnerrp: | but yes, compared to the other operating costs of mythtv, $20/yr for scheduling data is almost nothing |
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| [00:15:34] | bsl: | are the WinTV-HVR-2250 drivers complete enough to consider buying it? |
| [00:15:56] | wagnerrp: | for digital, they should work pretty reliably |
| [00:15:59] | wagnerrp: | but there is no analog support |
| [00:16:32] | bsl: | I still have digital cable now, but the plan is to end up using Over-air reception |
| [00:16:53] | bsl: | so both should be digital, correct? |
| [00:17:14] | wagnerrp: | both *should* be digital, but chances are that card wont be able to record a whole lot over digital cable |
| [00:17:15] | bsl: | wagnerrp: sorry man, i know you explained this to me before |
| [00:17:24] | wagnerrp: | not much more than you would get OTA anyway |
| [00:18:06] | wagnerrp: | you can check the list at silicondust to see what your area will get over clear digital cable |
| [00:18:08] | bsl: | regular cable coaxial is analog, correct? |
| [00:18:28] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [00:18:35] | bsl: | I've gotten some good information from the people over at AV Forums about my chances of reception |
| [00:19:06] | wagnerrp: | silicondust will have an up-to-date unadultered list for your area |
| [00:19:14] | wagnerrp: | assuming someone in your area has an HDHR |
| [00:19:46] | bsl: | thanks, im checking |
| [00:23:22] | bsl: | Can I use my DTV transition coupons on anything like the HD Homerun? |
| [00:23:30] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [00:23:58] | wagnerrp: | those are ONLY for authorized devices, and are limited to something that outputs using standard definition analog |
| [00:24:08] | wagnerrp: | either RF, composite, or svideo |
| [00:24:19] | bsl: | oh well |
| [00:26:25] | pizzledizzle: | hm i think im gonna get that sd listing. 20 a year and i dont have to deal with manual recordings sounds good |
| [00:27:32] | iamlindoro: | That's the spirit |
| [00:27:53] | jblack: | it's worth it. |
| [00:28:07] | wagnerrp: | well not if you dont even give myth control over the STB |
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| [00:28:07] | jblack: | 20? Didnt they get down to 15? |
| [00:28:18] | wagnerrp: | jblack: it started at 15... per quarter |
| [00:28:28] | wagnerrp: | or $60/yr |
| [00:28:34] | pizzledizzle: | what's an ideal remote control and ir blaster to use with mythtv? i got some generic $15 media center remote buts not configurable because it's basically a wireless keyboard |
| [00:29:07] | wagnerrp: | pizzledizzle: the suggested remote would be an MCEUSB2 compatible remote |
| [00:29:19] | wagnerrp: | comes with a USB attached receiver, and two ports for optional blasters |
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| [00:29:54] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, some tuner cards come with blasters ranging from good to bad support |
| [00:30:03] | wagnerrp: | ive heard getting the hauppauge blasters working is a bit of a hassle |
| [00:30:29] | wagnerrp: | or, you can just use your existing remote, and then check up instructions on the internet for building your own serial-attached blaster |
| [00:30:41] | wagnerrp: | you can do that for a couple dollars and a trip to radio shack |
| [00:31:18] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, did you have to configure r8168 for the EP45-DQ6 NICs? I thought I recalled you saying the most recent install/update might have had them working out of the box |
| [00:31:35] | iamlindoro: | s/configure/compile/ |
| [00:32:44] | wagnerrp: | is 8168 different from 8169? i know at least 8169s have been in the kernel for as long as ive been using linux |
| [00:33:03] | iamlindoro: | yeah, different |
| [00:33:57] | iamlindoro: | In fact, I have an r8169 taking up a PCI slot that I'd like to pull |
| [00:34:13] | iamlindoro: | last I checked, the onboard required the Realtek-written r8168 driver, though, and even that didn't work |
| [00:34:22] | iamlindoro: | jpabq recently mentioned he had gotten them working, though |
| [00:34:43] | iamlindoro: | And I've got an extra PCI QAM tuner that I can toss in if I can get to the bottom of it |
| [00:35:18] | wagnerrp: | because... you actually need to record a dozen things simultaneously? |
| [00:35:26] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [00:35:36] | iamlindoro: | might as well use what I've got |
| [00:35:49] | iamlindoro: | extra drops on the drop amp, QAM tuner sitting on the shelf |
| [00:36:15] | wagnerrp: | i know my 1250 goes largely unused with the HDHR sitting as the primary |
| [00:36:25] | wagnerrp: | but then again, i only get the local broadcast channels over cable |
| [00:36:38] | iamlindoro: | I actually only have 2 QAM tuners in there ATM |
| [00:37:03] | iamlindoro: | + 2 x STBs via firewire, and an HD-PVR on a third |
| [00:38:31] | wagnerrp: | oof... i meant to do a channel rescan today |
| [00:38:43] | wagnerrp: | but i doubt ill get everything done and cleaned up within an hour |
| [00:39:15] | wagnerrp: | especially with the new scanner giving all sorts of garbage |
| [00:39:38] | iamlindoro: | The SCTE-65 stuff has been a godsend here |
| [00:39:59] | iamlindoro: | nice to get a guaranteed set of channels that are named right, numbered right, and will *always* be the unencrypted stuff |
| [00:40:39] | GreyFoxx: | I should run that on my local QAM network. see what it finds |
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| [00:41:09] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, TTBOMK It's only Comcast thus far, and only in three or so markets |
| [00:41:17] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [00:41:22] | wagnerrp: | only for people with DTAs |
| [00:41:27] | iamlindoro: | (SF Bay Area, Seattle Area, Portland Area) |
| [00:41:30] | Pontiac: | ... what a freak'n day. |
| [00:41:36] | wagnerrp: | because that data is usually sent on an OOB frequency |
| [00:41:40] | Pontiac: | *kicks up his feet and looks at the user list to figure out who to harass* |
| [00:41:48] | wagnerrp: | normal tuners wont pick it up |
| [00:42:00] | wagnerrp: | but the DTAs omitted that extra hardware for cost savings |
| [00:43:02] | iamlindoro: | okay, off to try to reform my network hardware and make it straighten up and fly right |
| [00:43:24] | Pontiac: | Enjoy |
| [00:43:36] | wagnerrp: | i need to run a network line direct to the second backend |
| [00:43:52] | wagnerrp: | right now, its chained through a 10/100 router in the deskroom |
| [00:44:10] | wagnerrp: | and it just doesnt have the throughput for fast forwarding HD content |
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| [00:48:23] | Pontiac: | Time Warp freak'n KILLS ALL! B] |
| [00:48:38] | Pontiac: | I be needing one of those cameras. |
| [00:49:44] | wagnerrp: | seems it does have a direct line... well nevermind that |
| [00:50:03] | wagnerrp: | Pontiac: the guys down the street at work have a couple of those |
| [00:51:22] | Pontiac: | I'd love to see a couple of things done. |
| [00:51:28] | wagnerrp: | they use it for schlieren/PIV/LDV work |
| [00:51:41] | Pontiac: | PIV/LDV? |
| [00:51:55] | wagnerrp: | particle image velocimetry, laser doppler velocimetry |
| [00:52:12] | Pontiac: | Velocimetry... I love that word. |
| [00:52:53] | wagnerrp: | they actually have two |
| [00:53:02] | wagnerrp: | one is high quality/resolution for normal work |
| [00:53:22] | wagnerrp: | the other is considerably cheaper, but considerably lower resolution and grainier |
| [00:53:47] | wagnerrp: | quality on the second camera isnt really necessary for 3D work, since you dont need much more than depth cues |
| [00:54:50] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if theyve ever actually used it for 3D, since they bought the second one on a whim when we got our 3D projector setup |
| [00:55:06] | wagnerrp: | did a couple demo clips |
| [00:55:08] | Pontiac: | I've seen some stuff that Mythbusters has done, and thought it rather awesome. Then I found Time Warp, and its just absolutely fantastic. |
| [00:55:34] | wagnerrp: | its surprising how much an undergrad's face deforms when first hit by a super soaker |
| [00:55:42] | Pontiac: | LOL! |
| [00:55:47] | ** Pontiac is really laughing. ** | |
| [00:56:05] | Pontiac: | I saw where Adam Savage got slapped in the face in slow-mo. Funny as hell. |
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| [01:02:42] | iamlindoro: | Ah, well that was less difficult than I expected |
| [01:02:46] | iamlindoro: | Wish I hadn't waited months to do it now |
| [01:03:01] | Pontiac: | heh |
| [01:06:34] | wagnerrp: | well im rather disappointed by ubuntu so far |
| [01:06:53] | wagnerrp: | it boots up to a... text login? i through X and all was supposed to be automated |
| [01:06:53] | iamlindoro: | "Encoder 17 is local on Holmes and is not recording." Heh. |
| [01:07:09] | wagnerrp: | although this could be due to me using a pxe installer, rather than a standard cd/dvd |
| [01:07:10] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, ideally speaking, it *is* all automated |
| [01:07:17] | iamlindoro: | if you have a text login, something R broke |
| [01:07:27] | iamlindoro: | ah, can't speak for the PXE isntall |
| [01:08:33] | wagnerrp: | reinstalling my uncle's computer after my cousin wiped it with a linux install, ill advised by a 'friend' |
| [01:08:56] | wagnerrp: | its a 160GB disk, with windows drivers that only support 137GB |
| [01:09:05] | wagnerrp: | so i decided to go ahead and dual boot ubuntu with the spare space |
| [01:09:08] | Pontiac: | What version of Ubuntu did you get? |
| [01:09:11] | wagnerrp: | 904 |
| [01:09:33] | Pontiac: | Did you get the live CD or the alternate? |
| [01:09:41] | wagnerrp: | the... PXE |
| [01:10:00] | wagnerrp: | aka, the no-cd installer |
| [01:10:24] | Pontiac: | Ahh.. Yeah, that one is a text-based. Just install KDE or Gnome and you'll get a GUI. |
| [01:10:32] | Pontiac: | .. or xfe or whatever your falvour is. |
| [01:10:51] | wagnerrp: | well i understand the installer being text based, not a while lot you can shove into a 10MB initrd |
| [01:11:05] | wagnerrp: | just would have expected it to perform a standard install, rather than a minimal |
| [01:12:18] | Pontiac: | The perks of the no-cd installer is that you'll end up downloading the stuff ya want, and its update... Not install, wait the 15–30 minutes, then have to re-download everything anyways. |
| [01:14:29] | wagnerrp: | fortunately, it seems to have set up networking without requiring NetworkManager |
| [01:15:04] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: should i log a mythtv ticket even if the bug exists in ffmpeg code? |
| [01:15:06] | Pontiac: | Its usually pretty good with that, unless you got a brand-spanking new machine. |
| [01:15:18] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, In my opinion, yes |
| [01:15:33] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, We work around other ffmpeg "ideosynchracies," what's one more? :) |
| [01:15:34] | Pontiac: | It picked up the DLink GigE card I purchased. |
| [01:15:36] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: i've already submitted the bug to ffmpeg and provided a patch |
| [01:15:44] | wagnerrp: | and off apt-get goes.... |
| [01:15:55] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Ah, nice, yeah, if it gets fixed upstream then the next sync will fix it |
| [01:15:58] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: ok, thanks |
| [01:16:08] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [01:16:10] | elmojo: | that's what i was hoping |
| [01:16:16] | elmojo: | but the bug is in -fixes too |
| [01:16:30] | iamlindoro: | Nobody will blame you for opening a myth bug on it |
| [01:16:35] | elmojo: | ok |
| [01:16:47] | iamlindoro: | especially as you've done all the due diligence to get it fixed upstream too |
| [01:17:49] | iamlindoro: | (which is faaar more than most people do) |
| [01:18:17] | wagnerrp: | seems im down to 550GB with the last batch of movies |
| [01:18:31] | ** Pontiac submits a bug stating that the word THE is spelled wrong in a comment in some peice of code... just cuz. ** | |
| [01:19:31] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: on a seperate note... did you have the patch for #6605 applied when you hit the "Video buffering failed too many times" error |
| [01:19:55] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, I haven't applied that one, no |
| [01:20:03] | elmojo: | ok... i might help |
| [01:20:13] | elmojo: | err, it |
| [01:20:25] | iamlindoro: | ok, will give that a shot later on, thanks :) |
| [01:20:48] | elmojo: | np |
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| [01:21:26] | elmojo: | it would make gnome42 happy if it helped |
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| [01:40:40] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Will apply now, reproducing is a crap shoot, will need a few hours to determine if it really helped |
| [01:42:08] | iamlindoro: | Well, I mean, not *so* much of a crap shoot, if I don't fail out of half my playbacks then I will know it at least helped :) |
| [01:44:51] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Preliminary signs look very very good-- dozens of playback starts and no failures |
| [01:45:29] | iamlindoro: | gnome42's hack fixed the segfaults, this so far appears to have solved the video buffering failed bit |
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| [01:52:58] | GreyFoxx: | Ok.... can someone give me a sanity check here..... I have 1 samba share from Box A... it contains 2 nfs mounted directories from machines B and C. All items via the mount from the directory mounted from machine C work perfectly... but all files play that are on B fail. Eventually windows times out and bitches about an invalid directory |
| [01:53:24] | GreyFoxx: | the NFS mount options are identical |
| [01:53:34] | GreyFoxx: | the distros and versions of everything are identical |
| [01:53:40] | kormoc: | any output on dmesg? |
| [01:54:38] | GreyFoxx: | Nope, nothing in on all 3 except from the last boot (which was tonight trying to figure out what is up) |
| [01:54:44] | wagnerrp: | possible permissions issue |
| [01:55:18] | GreyFoxx: | The stuff on machine B all has 0777 |
| [01:55:34] | GreyFoxx: | and I can see the directory contents, but attempts to open the files fail |
| [01:55:39] | laga: | nfs version 2 which breaks for files > 2g? although i doubt that |
| [01:55:42] | GreyFoxx: | with nothing logged anywhere that I can find |
| [01:55:42] | wagnerrp: | but it might be squashing root |
| [01:56:05] | GreyFoxx: | /data/mythtv/ 192.168.0.*(rw,no_root_squash,no_all_squash) |
| [01:56:06] | wagnerrp: | and if samba is running as (and trying to access the files as) root, that could be your problem |
| [01:56:22] | wagnerrp: | well nevermind that |
| [01:56:40] | GreyFoxx: | same thing on machine C but with a different directory |
| [01:56:44] | GreyFoxx: | laga: hmmm |
| [01:57:01] | GreyFoxx: | I've not intenionally done anything to have it use any particular nfs version |
| [01:57:18] | GreyFoxx: | all have identical kernels, init scripts, and distro versions |
| [01:57:46] | laga: | try wireshark? :) |
| [01:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | no, not yet :) |
| [01:59:43] | GreyFoxx: | this is just weird |
| [02:01:28] | ** Pontiac 's getting grumpy with his MythTV box. ** | |
| [02:01:32] | Pontiac: | It keeps cutting video. >:[] |
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| [02:06:37] | ** iamlindoro isn't sure what that means ** | |
| [02:07:36] | Pontiac: | I'm watching the recordings from my main machine, not off the Myth box. For some reason, the video feed just stops for no reason. Happens with the ASX feed as well as with the MythTV Player. |
| [02:08:34] | iamlindoro: | So... no mythfrontends in that mix? |
| [02:08:50] | Pontiac: | None. The front end actually isn't running on the Myth box ATM. |
| [02:08:59] | iamlindoro: | Then you can't exactly blame your myth box |
| [02:09:01] | Pontiac: | Back end is busy doing a recording, and mythcommflag is running. |
| [02:09:14] | iamlindoro: | It's unlikely it's the backend's fault |
| [02:09:48] | Pontiac: | I doubt it as well. I'm just wondering if the NIC is flakey or I need to play with the driver configs, or something. |
| [02:11:00] | Pontiac: | The other thing thats odd is randomly if I transfer a file via the HTTP interface, randomly it drops the connection. Checking system load, I do notice that apache kicks up a snot. |
| [02:11:24] | Pontiac: | Right now, running MythTV Player, I don't see anything other than backend/commflag using ANYTHING. |
| [02:11:34] | Pontiac: | TOP is using more CPU than anything else. |
| [02:16:09] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: excellent! |
| [02:17:47] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Yeah, there's *one* last player segfault that I'm trying to track down, but between the two patches that solves the vast, vast majority of the player failures so far |
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| [02:38:52] | Pontiac: | Bed time for this old fool. |
| [02:38:54] | Pontiac: | L8r gents |
| [02:39:13] | iamlindoro: | There are ladies here too |
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| [02:47:57] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Lies. |
| [02:48:06] | iamlindoro: | truth |
| [02:48:30] | Dagmar: | Sims 3 came out MOnday. They're all still playin' it. |
| [03:38:35] | wagnerrp: | i thought it came out several weeks ago |
| [03:38:41] | wagnerrp: | or was that just the pirated version |
| [03:44:57] | Dagmar: | The pirated version was incomplete, which has resulted in some hilarious bug reports |
| [03:45:20] | wagnerrp: | why would you EVER issue a bug report on a pirated copy |
| [03:45:39] | wagnerrp: | i remember several dozen reports showing up for pirated copies of trillian |
| [03:45:58] | wagnerrp: | usually having something to do with not connecting to the server... because it was a pirated copy and they didnt have an account to connect to |
| [03:46:00] | Dagmar: | Oh because you want to be able to pirate the resulting patch |
| [03:46:09] | Dagmar: | It's not multiplayer at all |
| [03:46:34] | Dagmar: | ...but things like certain bits of story progression just bring the pirated version to a full stop because the code to handle it just isn't there. |
| [03:46:51] | wagnerrp: | because it was a development copy? |
| [03:47:00] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [03:47:06] | wagnerrp: | or because whoever got the release didnt get the full release? |
| [03:47:10] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [03:47:24] | Dagmar: | That and the copy-protection code wasn't fully awake either |
| [03:47:48] | Dagmar: | So these guys got the pirated version, installed it with a phony serial, which gets stored in the registry... |
| [03:48:14] | Dagmar: | ...then they'd install the retail version, the installer would go "OKay, there's already a serial number here" and then when they ran the game IT would see that the serial was bogus and call them on it |
| [03:49:00] | Dagmar: | THey'd post to the forums saying their copy was incorrectly saying it was pirated, and much hilarity ensues |
| [03:49:12] | wagnerrp: | oh, theyre issuing bug reports on legitimate copies |
| [03:49:16] | Dagmar: | I'm still waiting for an object edior |
| [03:49:20] | Dagmar: | er editor |
| [03:49:27] | Dagmar: | OH and pirated copies |
| [03:49:38] | Dagmar: | There's more than a few "common" crash bugs due to the incomplete copy |
| [03:49:59] | wagnerrp: | looks like a DRM success story |
| [03:50:13] | Dagmar: | Those guys have no way of knowing really that what they're seeing go wrong doesn't happen in the full retail version |
| [03:50:13] | wagnerrp: | it did such a good job preventing people from playing the game without buying it |
| [03:50:28] | Dagmar: | THe thing just uses StarForce or whatever now |
| [03:50:59] | Dagmar: | EA learned that the activation thing they were doing was just pissing people of |
| [03:51:18] | Dagmar: | It's not going to make people happy when a single player game won't run because there's no net connection on the machine |
| [03:51:34] | wagnerrp: | ive got a couple starforce games |
| [03:52:00] | Dagmar: | The only thing I don't like about that sucker is that it generally means there's going to be a short unskippable bit before the game starts |
| [03:52:16] | wagnerrp: | i dont like the idea of a ring0 driver for the purposes of controlling my lawfully purchased software, but i cant claim its ever given me stability problems |
| [03:52:20] | Dagmar: | ...and if you do something weird like unplug your USB headset while it's doing that, the whole machine will size |
| [03:52:24] | Dagmar: | er sieze |
| [03:52:24] | wagnerrp: | at least none that ive atributed to starforce |
| [03:52:45] | Dagmar: | I made that mistake the other night. |
| [03:52:58] | wagnerrp: | although one of my copies of Spliter Cell (i think Chaos Theory) will never run again |
| [03:53:07] | Dagmar: | ABout ten minutes of f4'ing and poking at the task manager later I managed to stop the thing so I could start it properly |
| [03:53:15] | wagnerrp: | cant get installed, because it cant install its 32-bit starforce on a 64-bit machine |
| [03:53:23] | Dagmar: | Ooof. Windows 7? |
| [03:53:31] | wagnerrp: | vista |
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| [03:53:49] | wagnerrp: | ive got a disk of 7, havent gotten around to installing it |
| [03:53:59] | Dagmar: | I actually had SIms working fine under Windows 7, but unfortunately it screws up and corrupts it's stuff so you can't save if you run it for more than a few hours |
| [03:54:02] | wagnerrp: | ive got an older copy sitting on a disk somewhere |
| [03:54:13] | wagnerrp: | hard disk that is |
| [03:54:42] | Dagmar: | I grabbed it and installed it so I could see whether or not Microsoft was going to perma-fry their rep |
| [03:54:50] | Dagmar: | Vista being a stinker was one thing... |
| [03:54:51] | wagnerrp: | my sister was really big into that game |
| [03:55:00] | wagnerrp: | had 1, 2, and all the expansions |
| [03:55:16] | Dagmar: | I'm peeved there's still not a 64-bit driver for Microsoft's own fingerprint reader tho |
| [03:55:41] | Dagmar: | When I get up in the morning, I can barely see at first, let alone figure out where the pointer is and put it somewhere useful so I can type in a password |
| [03:55:52] | Dagmar: | Mashing the Big Red Oval works great tho |
| [03:56:10] | wagnerrp: | im not so sure what got everyone is so pissed off about vista |
| [03:56:19] | wagnerrp: | granted i only picked up a copy a couple months ago |
| [03:56:21] | Dagmar: | Umm... it's buggy? |
| [03:56:33] | wagnerrp: | so i guess they had several years to iron out most of the bugginess |
| [03:56:33] | Dagmar: | Like, ME levels of buggy. |
| [03:57:23] | Dagmar: | Even the MS zealots at the office were surreptitiously asking out hardware vendor for downgrades back to XP on their new laptops |
| [03:57:43] | wagnerrp: | my video card likes to crap out on me, but ive not yet had an issue that has taken down the whole machine |
| [03:57:57] | wagnerrp: | and the video card issue seems to be more of a hardware problem |
| [03:57:59] | Dagmar: | If you were on an AD domain, you were cursed |
| [03:58:38] | Dagmar: | For a bit we had a problem with Vista machines not even wanting to associate properly |
| [03:58:58] | wagnerrp: | well i am running on a domain with roaming profiles, but its just on samba, so no AD |
| [03:59:09] | Dagmar: | ...which when your core business stuff involves Outlook/Exchange, that's a lot of stuff to just stop working based on the phase of the moon |
| [03:59:31] | Dagmar: | That's good because RP is the devil's work when AD is involved |
| [03:59:53] | Dagmar: | If you like your bookmarks, don't login on two machines at once, and definitely don't login on a machine you've never logged into before when you do it. |
| [04:00:13] | Dagmar: | I have to use X-marks to keep from losing them |
| [04:00:37] | Dagmar: | ...but on the plus side it means never having to say "Well, I have that bookmarked at *work*" |
| [04:01:18] | Dagmar: | I've also seen it start copying the personal files of *other users* into *my* RP space |
| [04:01:31] | wagnerrp: | theres too much crap stored in user account for it to be dumping back and forth on login |
| [04:01:55] | wagnerrp: | so the profile basically exists to redirect my profile to a separate share |
| [04:02:27] | Dagmar: | Yeah I had to try 2–3 times to get it to STOP undoing that little hack for me |
| [04:03:13] | Dagmar: | Bleh. Cafe is closing... gotta run |
| [04:03:27] | wagnerrp: | later |
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| [04:22:46] | newbie002: | hi having trouble setting up mythtv |
| [04:22:53] | newbie002: | I just did a yum install |
| [04:23:08] | newbie002: | setup a mythtv user in mysql, however getting connection problems to database |
| [04:23:39] | newbie002: | database seems to be qtsql? I'm not sure what that is, but it would seem that I added the user to mysql not qtsql ? |
| [04:23:54] | newbie002: | or qmysql3 |
| [04:27:35] | newbie002: | running "mysql -u root < /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.12/database/mc.sql" |
| [04:27:39] | newbie002: | didn't seem to add any tables |
| [04:28:20] | wagnerrp: | all that does is prep the database |
| [04:28:30] | wagnerrp: | tables are added as needed by individual parts of myth |
| [04:28:46] | newbie002: | ah, yes |
| [04:28:48] | newbie002: | thanks |
| [04:28:55] | newbie002: | sorry to bug you |
| [04:29:15] | wagnerrp: | if youre having database problems... theres a couple things to check |
| [04:29:27] | wagnerrp: | make sure ~/.mythtv/config.xml is correctly pointing to the database |
| [04:29:43] | newbie002: | the problem was that I created the database, so the script didn't run |
| [04:30:03] | wagnerrp: | so drop the database and run again |
| [04:30:15] | wagnerrp: | is this all on one machine? or are you setting up multiple myth boxes? |
| [04:30:18] | newbie002: | yeah, that's what did it |
| [04:30:46] | newbie002: | just one machine, back/front/desktop/et al machine |
| [04:31:01] | wagnerrp: | then you wont have to work around networking issues |
| [04:31:18] | newbie002: | yeah, that's a little but advanced for me |
| [04:31:24] | wagnerrp: | all you should have to do is run that mysql input file |
| [04:31:26] | wagnerrp: | add a user |
| [04:31:29] | newbie002: | litte bit* |
| [04:31:32] | wagnerrp: | and run mythtv-setup |
| [04:31:44] | newbie002: | thanks! |
| [04:31:50] | wagnerrp: | first run of mythtv-setup will create the config.xml file for you |
| [04:32:21] | wagnerrp: | depending on how your init scripts are set up, it may need to be copied somewhere else, like '/etc/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml' |
| [04:32:32] | wagnerrp: | but you would have to ask someone else who uses your distro about that |
| [04:33:44] | newbie002: | eek, I'm getting a "Failed to open" on the Capture Card Setup screen |
| [04:33:57] | wagnerrp: | probably a permissions issue |
| [04:34:23] | newbie002: | chown /dev/video0/ ? |
| [04:34:32] | wagnerrp: | assuming youre running mythtv-setup (and subsequently mythbackend) as user 'mythtv', you may have to add that user to the 'video' group |
| [04:34:38] | newbie002: | I have SElinux turned off |
| [04:34:59] | newbie002: | oh |
| [04:35:12] | wagnerrp: | chown'ing probably dont do it permanently, because those may get regenerated at boot from your udev rules |
| [04:35:16] | newbie002: | I created the user myself, (not using a mythtv distro) |
| [04:35:40] | wagnerrp: | did your mythtv package install an init script? |
| [04:36:18] | newbie002: | I didn't see one, I did a yum install mythtv* |
| [04:36:34] | wagnerrp: | you would have to ask someone who uses your distro |
| [04:36:48] | wagnerrp: | but it probably included an init script, to automatically run mythbackend on boot |
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| [04:36:49] | newbie002: | then I started mucking with the database, I guess I didnt get too far after that last step |
| [04:36:58] | wagnerrp: | and it probably uses mythtv as the user |
| [04:37:09] | wagnerrp: | either mythtv, or root |
| [04:37:50] | newbie002: | ok, yeah I'll look into it, I'm using Fedora 10 |
| [04:38:02] | wagnerrp: | never used any of the FCs |
| [04:38:46] | newbie002: | The mythdora distro worked really well, very few problems. (until I installed mono, wine, aptrpms, and a bunch of other garbage) |
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| [04:46:37] | newbie002: | do you know where I can find info on how to configure the mythtv user and/or groups ? |
| [04:46:55] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no internal users or groups |
| [04:47:15] | wagnerrp: | as for fedora users and groups.... thats something you would have to ask someone who uses it |
| [04:48:42] | newbie002: | I guess I just mean devices, I think I have the database covered, and the executables |
| [04:48:44] | basment: | I'm having a little problem with "cat /proc/asound/cards" does not show my bt878.. I am following instructions on: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Snd-bt87x |
| [04:49:52] | basment: | i do the "lsmod | grep 'snd[-_]bt87x'" and it shows modules.. but it won't show up in the "cat /proc....." even after I do the next step of "modprobe -r snd-bt87x; modprobe snd-bt87x load_all=1 |
| [04:51:10] | basment: | this happeneing on a fresh new install of mythbuntu |
| [04:52:48] | basment: | this may be the problem "FATAL: Error inserting snd_bt87x (/lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/kernel/sound/pci/snd-bt87x.ko): Operation not permitted |
| [04:52:48] | basment: | " |
| [04:53:51] | basment: | but my searches have not turned up anything :( ... |
| [04:54:22] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a kernel module not compiled against the current running kernel |
| [04:55:30] | basment: | it is very strange... i did not have this problem with Ubuntu, then did website upgrade of mythbuntu... |
| [04:55:46] | basment: | this is from a fresh mythbuntu install ... new problem :( |
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| [04:57:01] | basment: | wagnerrp: .. could ya give me and possible avenues to explore to fix this problem? |
| [04:57:17] | wagnerrp: | rebuild the module? |
| [04:57:20] | basment: | i'll try seraching for what you just said for staters lol |
| [04:57:34] | basment: | ah ok i'm getting you i think.. |
| [04:57:54] | basment: | the module it is finding ... is not a good module? |
| [04:58:08] | basment: | i do that "find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name 'snd[-_]bt87x*' " and it shows stuff |
| [04:58:18] | basment: | but you think they are broken? |
| [04:59:04] | basment: | i will go ahead and try the 'build it from the ALSA source code" .. lol don't think i've ever "built" anything .. another first :) |
| [05:04:27] | wagnerrp: | operation not permitted more likely means youre trying to load as non-root |
| [05:04:43] | wagnerrp: | or have linux in secure mode such that it will not accept new modules |
| [05:05:01] | wagnerrp: | incorrectly compiled modules usually say something along the lines of 'incorrect symbols' |
| [05:05:32] | basment: | ok, thanks for infomation! following this train :) |
| [05:06:20] | basment: | gives me that even when I do "sudo" before it though |
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| [05:15:08] | basment: | it is VERY strange that whenever i complain (trying to find what I did wrong) about something in MythTV... i get some help... change nothing and run again... and it WORKS.. wtf.. I have changed nothing... and now everything works.. lol |
| [05:15:37] | basment: | crazy.. but it whatever it takes :) |
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| [05:29:33] | leftler: | Hello |
| [05:33:34] | leftler: | I got a question, and I don't know if this is the correct place to ask it. I am trying to use rtpg-www (a web gui for rtorrent) however mythTV is allready bound to port 80, so when i try to connect i just get the mythTV config page. I think i can fix that problem. The problem I am having is that after I change the rtpg.apache.conf file and i do a a2ensite i get a "Invalid command 'SCGIMount'" error when I try to restart apache |
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| [05:38:32] | leftler: | Sigh, #ubuntu is so nosy noone can hear you, #mythtv-users is so quiet it takes a long time for a responce. I still think i like #myhthtv-users better. |
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| [06:08:56] | RyeBrye: | leftler: I got a question, and I don't know if this is the correct place to ask it. I am trying to use rtpg-www (a web gui for rtorrent) however mythTV is allready bound to port to port 80... |
| [06:08:57] | oobe: | leftler, you problem isnt really *myth or *buntu specific you need to put "NameVirtualHost *:80" in apache2/ports.conf and configure each instance of a site as a virtual host |
| [06:09:32] | RyeBrye: | leftler: does rtjpg-www run on apache? if so you just need to have separate dirs for them or use virtual hosts or something |
| [06:10:12] | RyeBrye: | On my home lan? I don't use virtual hosts, I just use directories... eg /mythweb for myth or /cacti for cacti graphs or /showercam for the showercams of the motel I run |
| [06:10:13] | RyeBrye: | err.... |
| [06:10:18] | RyeBrye: | forget that last part |
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| [06:47:51] | pizzledizzle: | anyone up? |
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| [08:33:18] | yianni: | Can someone please clarify this for me: I have the s2api drivers from the liplianin repo, mythtv (of course), compiled with the s2api patch on a debian box. Due to recent changes the s2api patch (#5882) doesn't compile beyond commit 20427. |
| [08:34:43] | yianni: | Do I NEED #5882 patch? Can you tune to DVB-S2 channels without it? Please clarify because I don't dare update my mythtv sources in fear of breaking things. |
| [08:34:47] | yianni: | Thank you. |
| [08:35:48] | yianni: | Sorry to ask twice, but last time I didn't get a clear answer. |
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| [09:56:30] | hot_wheelz: | just curious anyone from Australia in here and using a Shuttle M2000 for a front end? |
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| [10:20:04] | hot_wheelz: | anyone tried a DigitalNow TinyTwin Dual Digital USB Tuner |
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| [10:39:37] | tuntun: | Does mythtv have a channels.conf? |
| [10:39:44] | pat_: | no |
| [10:40:04] | pat_: | but you can (or used to be able to) import your channels from one |
| [10:41:07] | tuntun: | can I export to a channels.conf? |
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| [10:44:36] | pat_: | I don't know, but why would you want to? |
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| [10:45:34] | tuntun: | So I can use it in another program than needs a channles.conf but can't scan |
| [10:45:44] | pat_: | dvb? |
| [10:45:53] | tuntun: | yep |
| [10:46:01] | pat_: | it's easy enough to generate one |
| [10:46:07] | tuntun: | how |
| [10:46:10] | tuntun: | ? |
| [10:46:20] | tuntun: | :) |
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| [10:47:39] | pat_: | don't know off the top of my head but google will surely help you http://www.google.com.au/search?q=channels.conf+generate |
| [10:47:58] | tuntun: | thanks |
| [10:48:04] | tuntun: | bye. |
| [10:48:39] | pat_: | tzap and szap |
| [10:48:54] | pat_: | depending if it is dvb-t or dvb-s |
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| [11:04:36] | Phreique: | Anybody out there experienced blank pages with mythweb-0.21 when trying to access through a router? The local php pages load, but the pages will not pass through a router even with port 80 enabled. |
| [11:05:22] | pat_: | no, haven't noticed anything like that |
| [11:05:36] | pat_: | so the apache access log shows the pages being accessed? |
| [11:05:43] | Phreique: | It's strange... |
| [11:05:45] | Phreique: | yeah. |
| [11:06:30] | Phreique: | If I try to access it from outside of my local network – I just get a blank page that looks like it's loading forever. |
| [11:06:30] | pat_: | is it just mythtv, or other php applications as well? |
| [11:06:40] | Phreique: | I've got archlinux here. |
| [11:07:17] | Phreique: | No... I managed to find it for *any* php pages... so I'm thinking that it's got to be an issue with the LAMP. |
| [11:07:26] | Phreique: | But I can't seem to pin-point the issue. |
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| [11:08:06] | Phreique: | php test pages won't pass through the router either. |
| [11:08:22] | pat_: | but they'll display fine locally |
| [11:08:30] | Phreique: | yep. |
| [11:08:52] | pat_: | neat, is it a basic configuration or with virtual hosts and the like? |
| [11:09:07] | Phreique: | very basic. |
| [11:09:56] | pat_: | well, you've got me beaten. do static pages work through the router? |
| [11:10:08] | Phreique: | yeah... static pages work great! |
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| [11:11:02] | pat_: | I'd try the apache support guys |
| [11:11:58] | Phreique: | That's what I was thinking too but I thought this might not have been an isolated issue... although I have googled for weeks to try to see if anybody has seen the same thing. |
| [11:12:11] | Phreique: | and nothing. |
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| [11:12:39] | pat_: | is it just this host? |
| [11:13:05] | pat_: | have you tried another machine with php dynamic pages and your router? |
| [11:13:14] | pat_: | that'd probably be my first bet |
| [11:13:44] | Phreique: | That's a good idea... like try a different computer with a clean install? |
| [11:14:08] | pat_: | even a live distro and just install some php stuff and apache to test |
| [11:14:31] | Phreique: | cool! I'll give that a shot! |
| [11:14:33] | Phreique: | Thanks! |
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| [11:48:29] | orly_owl: | Would I run into problems using two identical tuners? |
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| [11:54:18] | pat_: | I don't, and I run 3 identical ones |
| [11:54:43] | orly_owl: | OK |
| [11:55:08] | orly_owl: | I assume GNU/Linux just calls them tuner0, tuner1 etc |
| [11:55:35] | pat_: | yeah, something like that (I use dvb-t cards) |
| [11:56:05] | orly_owl: | PCIe? |
| [11:56:12] | pat_: | pci |
| [11:56:20] | pat_: | I've got a 4th but it is a different brand |
| [11:56:32] | orly_owl: | There's enough PCI bandwidth for all 4 cards? |
| [11:56:50] | pat_: | I couldn't get the 4th of the same brand to work because of irq conflicts |
| [11:56:57] | pat_: | yeah, no problems |
| [11:57:03] | orly_owl: | oh, cool. |
| [11:57:10] | orly_owl: | even with HDTV? |
| [11:57:21] | pat_: | what is the bandwidth of 1080p? 22 mbps or something I seem to recall. |
| [11:57:33] | orly_owl: | dunno |
| [11:57:36] | orly_owl: | good qn |
| [11:58:01] | pat_: | pci bus is some sort of megabytes per second, not megabits |
| [11:58:05] | pat_: | so it isn't a problem |
| [11:58:14] | pat_: | go visit wikipedia and do the maths |
| [11:58:18] | orly_owl: | 150mbytes/s for PCI iirc |
| [11:58:47] | pat_: | I even used to have a raid controller as well, that all the data got written to |
| [11:59:04] | pat_: | and never had a problem pulling multiple streams from each of the transports |
| [11:59:12] | orly_owl: | what cards are they? |
| [11:59:42] | pat_: | leadtek dvb-1000t x 3, twinhan something x 1 and an intel srcs16 raid card |
| [12:01:21] | orly_owl: | cool |
| [12:01:34] | orly_owl: | i have a winfast DTV1000T, so that's a start. |
| [12:03:14] | pat_: | winfast is leadtek |
| [12:03:19] | orly_owl: | oh right |
| [12:04:24] | pat_: | anyway, that lot works without any special fu, straight out of the box with ubuntu 8.04 |
| [12:05:40] | pat_: | pat@chook:~$ ls /dev/dvb/adapter |
| [12:05:40] | pat_: | adapter0/ adapter1/ adapter2/ adapter3/ |
| [12:05:51] | pat_: | so no problems |
| [12:06:34] | orly_owl: | that's great |
| [12:06:59] | pat_: | I've had a hardware reshuffle due to a hardware failure |
| [12:07:10] | pat_: | so they now live in an old p4 |
| [12:07:45] | pat_: | and all data is written via nfs |
| [12:08:04] | pat_: | on 100 mbps lan |
| [12:09:34] | orly_owl: | what failed, the mobo? |
| [12:09:44] | pat_: | yeah |
| [12:09:59] | orly_owl: | did the tuners have any overheating issues? |
| [12:10:04] | pat_: | it was an athlon xp 2400 |
| [12:10:20] | pat_: | yeah, they get hot. |
| [12:10:26] | pat_: | I got an icute case to solve it |
| [12:10:37] | pat_: | one died, but I'm not sure if it was heat or otherwise |
| [12:11:19] | pat_: | http://umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtm . . . mp;sid=24172 |
| [12:11:19] | orly_owl: | which case exactly? |
| [12:11:49] | pat_: | and the front was loaded with 3in2 and 4in3 sata bays (total of 10 drives) |
| [12:12:12] | orly_owl: | 3in2? |
| [12:12:57] | pat_: | http://www.firewire-1394.com/3-drive-sata-backplane.htm |
| [12:13:01] | pat_: | that kind of thing |
| [12:13:15] | pat_: | 3 drives in 2 5.25 bays |
| [12:13:18] | orly_owl: | hold on my web browser just crashed |
| [12:13:59] | orly_owl: | oh, that's a big case |
| [12:14:09] | pat_: | nah, it's just a regular atx case |
| [12:14:18] | pat_: | not a full tower or anything |
| [12:14:42] | orly_owl: | i want a HTPC case |
| [12:15:10] | pat_: | ok, this is for my servers which are downstairs in the laundry |
| [12:15:30] | orly_owl: | ah you have sep backend |
| [12:15:57] | pat_: | yeah, my frontends are junky sff dells which I've picked up cheap around the place |
| [12:16:11] | pat_: | and some use cf-ide adapters and some boot minimyth |
| [12:16:45] | orly_owl: | no spinning disks then |
| [12:16:54] | pat_: | yeah, that's right |
| [12:17:07] | pat_: | s/boot/netboot/ |
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| [12:17:40] | orly_owl: | nice |
| [12:18:10] | pat_: | interestingly I asked my wife what were the mission critical apps our computers did and in her order were 1.backups 2.email 3.mythtv 4.fileshare |
| [12:18:11] | orly_owl: | can you still buy DTV1000T? |
| [12:18:18] | pat_: | no, I don't think so |
| [12:18:23] | orly_owl: | :/ |
| [12:18:23] | pat_: | they replaced it with the 1000s |
| [12:18:37] | pat_: | and I"m not sure of the linux support of that |
| [12:23:08] | ** sid3windr does 5-in-3 instead of 3-in-2 ** | |
| [12:25:13] | pat_: | the chenbro 5in3 are nice, but are spensive |
| [12:25:22] | pat_: | the ones I've got are cheep |
| [12:26:45] | orly_owl: | is that SCSI RAID? |
| [12:27:09] | pat_: | sata raid |
| [12:27:33] | pat_: | although now I've moved it to the new machine I'd prefer to use software raid |
| [12:27:35] | orly_owl: | ah |
| [12:28:04] | pat_: | but didn't want to migrate the disks, so they're still hardware raid |
| [12:28:17] | orly_owl: | what's active antenna? my dtv1000t has a jumper setting for it |
| [12:28:22] | ** sid3windr uses supermicro ones, +- 100 eur/piece ** | |
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| [12:28:41] | pat_: | dunno, mine is in the default position |
| [12:28:59] | pat_: | maybe it provides power for an amplifier in the antenna, like a masthead amplifier |
| [12:29:05] | orly_owl: | oh ok |
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| [12:30:23] | orly_owl: | do you have mythtv set up to dl from iView? |
| [12:30:26] | pat_: | when the next thing dies or I get a bonus or something hdhomerun dvb-t will support multirec and I'll buy a couple of them |
| [12:30:37] | pat_: | I don't even know what iView is |
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| [12:31:31] | pat_: | aah, cool |
| [12:31:40] | orly_owl: | ABC iView is like the BBC iPlayer, it lets you watch and dl tv shows from ABC |
| [12:31:40] | pat_: | now I know what it is I'm still not sure if I need it |
| [12:31:50] | pat_: | I can't watch everything that is recorded now |
| [12:31:55] | orly_owl: | lol |
| [12:32:08] | orly_owl: | its good if you forgot to record a show. |
| [12:32:37] | pat_: | I transcode to mp4 to save disc space, and have over a years recorded tv in 1TB |
| [12:33:07] | orly_owl: | is transcoding done during recording or later? |
| [12:34:26] | pat_: | after |
| [12:34:59] | pat_: | I cleaned it out recently and deleted a bunch of stuff I'm never going to watch |
| [12:35:19] | pat_: | only to see what was there that I hadn't watched |
| [12:35:32] | orly_owl: | are ads cut automatically? |
| [12:35:52] | pat_: | no, but that doesn't worry me. fast-forward on the remote jumps in 30 second blocks |
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| [12:36:01] | pat_: | I've not tried commflagging |
| [12:36:40] | orly_owl: | im wondering if archived recordings include ads |
| [12:36:57] | pat_: | yeah, and 1 minute before and 10 minutes after. |
| [12:37:04] | orly_owl: | :/ |
| [12:37:05] | pat_: | they're not archived, they're just there |
| [12:37:08] | orly_owl: | oh |
| [12:37:19] | pat_: | ready for autoexpire to kick in |
| [12:37:36] | orly_owl: | ah right |
| [12:38:39] | orly_owl: | is there any support for FM/AM/digital radio? |
| [12:38:52] | pat_: | nah, I've got a radio for that :) |
| [12:39:26] | orly_owl: | bleh |
| [12:39:54] | pat_: | why would you bother recording it? it's always the same crap |
| [12:40:05] | pat_: | not like any radio show is worth recording |
| [12:40:26] | orly_owl: | some people still like radio |
| [12:40:36] | pat_: | yeah, I listen to it in the car |
| [12:40:45] | pat_: | and usually when I'm at my computer |
| [12:41:07] | pat_: | sometimes I listen to albums, but I wouldn't pre-record it |
| [12:45:19] | pat_: | back when I was at uni I set up a system to keep a few hours of radio recorded so I could grab a song off it in mp3 format if I liked it |
| [12:45:32] | pat_: | but it was unweildy so I stopped doing it after a while |
| [12:46:02] | pat_: | and a couple of years later broadband appeared and napster was king |
| [12:47:02] | pat_: | and a few years after that I realised that I liked full albums, so deleted all the crap and bought a bunch of actual cds with my pay (since I was now working) |
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| [13:00:37] | oobe: | does any one use avenard's mythtv repo i am using this repo and i have one small problem /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend does not restart |
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| [14:34:14] | kieran491: | Hello |
| [14:38:23] | kieran491: | I am having a strange issue with my mythtv setup |
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| [14:39:17] | kieran491: | i try to get the details of the card using mythtv-setup this worked the first time but after a restart i find that mythtv cant get the details anymore which stop me from getting channel listings |
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| [14:47:34] | juski: | heh. solution everybody seems to have missed on the -users list about gmane.. just ignore the mailing lists altogether. I mean – what do you _really_ lose? |
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| [15:21:53] | phunyguy: | in case anyone is interested – bid – or not. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 250439327411 |
| [15:22:17] | phunyguy: | its the frontend i mentioned before that i was selling |
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| [15:51:33] | wagnerrp: | why do people say 'Fatal1ty teamed up with a development group to bring you this product' |
| [15:52:00] | wagnerrp: | why dont they just say 'some gamer lent us his name in exchange for a crapton of cash' |
| [15:53:07] | wagnerrp: | i fail to believe this 'Fatal1ty' characters knows anything about hardware design, much less hardware design over the wide range of parts he is supposed to have helped develop |
| [15:53:54] | orly_owl: | What hardware? |
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| [15:54:15] | wagnerrp: | now its some 80GB PCIe SSD card |
| [15:54:32] | wagnerrp: | before, a creative sound card |
| [15:54:55] | wagnerrp: | i know hes slapped his name on some other stuff, but its not coming to mind |
| [15:55:03] | laga: | abit mainboards? |
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| [15:57:16] | wagnerrp: | hah... 'Coming Soon: Fatal1ty Gaming Cookies! Provide extra boost to get that extra frag!' |
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| [16:01:25] | aku: | is there any TV software (to watch TV with a video card) that is easier to configure than MythTV and supports recording? |
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| [16:01:55] | wagnerrp: | maybe VLC, or a handful of things on windows |
| [16:02:56] | aku: | oh, I should add, I only use Linux... |
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| [16:10:15] | mroe: | anyone know of a hardware upnp client that also has a dvd player? |
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| [16:10:53] | wagnerrp: | xbox, playstation,.... |
| [16:11:38] | mroe: | true, but both are big overkill for just those two features |
| [16:12:14] | wagnerrp: | you can get a TV with UPNP playback |
| [16:12:25] | wagnerrp: | and then a separate DVD player |
| [16:12:36] | mroe: | so the product I am looking for doesn't quite exist? |
| [16:12:50] | wagnerrp: | or an AV receiver with UPNP |
| [16:13:28] | wagnerrp: | a quick check to the mythtv wiki shows the 'I-O DATA LinkPlayer2' |
| [16:14:02] | wagnerrp: | and the 'Buffalo PC-P3LWG/DVD' |
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| [16:14:39] | kormoc: | mroe, no, the product you are looking for does exist, but you've already dismissed it as overkill |
| [16:15:09] | wagnerrp: | those last two devices mentioned are DVD players with UPNP capability |
| [16:15:16] | XLV: | mroe, www.egreathd.com |
| [16:15:31] | XLV: | they got one.. dont know though if it plays dvd menus |
| [16:15:35] | mroe: | kormoc, the feature list was meant to be a ceiling not a floor |
| [16:15:47] | XLV: | it takes a slim dvd or bd |
| [16:16:29] | XLV: | http://www.egreathd.com/index.php?option=com_ . . . mp;Itemid=59 |
| [16:16:32] | wagnerrp: | someone on the UPNP page is claiming the xbox360 will actually stream myth's recordings |
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| [16:16:38] | wagnerrp: | when did that happen? |
| [16:17:23] | wagnerrp: | heres another one... 'D-Link DSM-320RD' |
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| [16:18:22] | mroe: | XLV, that looks pretty good |
| [16:18:43] | wagnerrp: | its so big... |
| [16:18:51] | XLV: | mroe, just make sure it plays dvd menus ( or its bluray menus it cant play? dont remember ) |
| [16:19:04] | mroe: | I'm not worried too much about blu-ray |
| [16:19:06] | XLV: | bluray menus its certain it cant play them |
| [16:19:14] | XLV: | no OSS can do it atm |
| [16:19:27] | XLV: | but i dont remember about dvd menus, should play them |
| [16:19:31] | mroe: | ok |
| [16:19:38] | XLV: | quite old stuff for OSS by now |
| [16:20:00] | wagnerrp: | oh wow! |
| [16:20:12] | wagnerrp: | it has a cooling fan 'for heat disappear' |
| [16:20:17] | mroe: | the application is to stream a movie collection (from myth) but also support the use case of, "hey, I brought over this dvd, lets play it" |
| [16:20:37] | XLV: | ahh, i remember, the problem is it cant play region locked dvds |
| [16:20:54] | XLV: | even with a rpc1 dvd |
| [16:21:05] | wagnerrp: | well thats almost worthless |
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| [16:21:38] | wagnerrp: | the only thing you could play is homemade DVDs, which you dont need to because you can stream them, or play them off the internal drive anyway |
| [16:22:19] | XLV: | true.. but you can always rip & store a dvd to some pc on the network, or even to the hdd in the nmt |
| [16:22:42] | XLV: | +10mins (?) before viewing a region locked dvd |
| [16:22:43] | wagnerrp: | but that negates the purpose of having a DVD player in such a device |
| [16:22:51] | XLV: | wagnerrp, true |
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| [16:26:29] | panfist: | hi, i'm trying to install mythtv on jaunty and i keep getting errors..."unable to connect to master backend server" when i try to launch the frontend. The frontend and backend are on the same machine. i have configured a mysql user mythtv with password mythtv which is what's set when i dpkg-reconfigure mythtv, yet i still get "access denied for user mythtv@localhost in my /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [16:27:31] | wagnerrp: | if youre getting that error, you didnt add the user to mysql properly |
| [16:28:02] | wagnerrp: | should be doing a "grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by 'mythtv';" |
| [16:28:36] | wagnerrp: | you may need a "flush privileges;" as well |
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| [16:56:36] | iamlindoro: | Silly users list thinks things are a democracy |
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| [17:00:56] | sid3windr: | how do you solve the problem that in mythgame, your joystick doesn't have a "quit emulator" button and you don't have a keyboard connected? |
| [17:01:01] | sid3windr: | mednaven does not listen to lirc ;) |
| [17:01:02] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, oh? |
| [17:01:24] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, "Yeah, I think this list should be on GMane!" "Yeah, I second that!" |
| [17:01:28] | kormoc: | sid3windr, you map a key on your remote to escape? |
| [17:01:49] | sid3windr: | hm. |
| [17:02:38] | sid3windr: | I didn't know lirc could simulate keypresses |
| [17:02:43] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, silly users, thinking they're empowered... |
| [17:02:48] | sid3windr: | that would, of course work :) |
| [17:03:50] | clever: | sid3windr: you can use lircmd i think, to tie a button to 'killall mednaven' |
| [17:03:52] | sid3windr: | I mean keypress to a program not supporting lirc |
| [17:03:53] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr, I don't think esc will actually kill most emulators, but I used to use irexec w/ the back key on my remote to run a script that killall'd the names of all my emulators |
| [17:04:05] | clever: | ahh, irexec! |
| [17:04:05] | sid3windr: | that's what I had in mind heh |
| [17:04:10] | sid3windr: | irexec is what I was indeed looking for |
| [17:04:18] | sid3windr: | esc kills mednaven btw ;) |
| [17:05:01] | iamlindoro: | never used it, but I used multiple emulators so I had to do it the way I described above |
| [17:05:58] | sid3windr: | mednaven is a fork of fceu it seems, and one that works better too :] |
| [17:07:19] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, not sure if you are the person who filed the Sofdec ffmpeg/myth bug... I've noticed that if you post the patch/problem description to the ffmpeg dev list, it will get attention much quicker than a bug |
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| [17:07:58] | iamlindoro: | and preface it with [PATCH] |
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| [17:15:53] | elmojo: | yep... i'm the one who submitted it |
| [17:16:55] | elmojo: | if i can find a few moments this evening i'll try and get that done |
| [17:17:01] | elmojo: | thanks |
| [17:17:52] | iamlindoro: | np, I didn't look at the patch but assuming it meets with their (notoriously tough) review process, you will see it committed quickly via the list |
| [17:19:54] | sid3windr: | kill-emulators.sh works <o/ |
| [17:20:28] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: it should have been a one-liner patch but i was juggling too many things yesterday |
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| [17:55:01] | superdump: | does anyone here use or know much about mythbrowser? |
| [17:55:07] | superdump: | from trunk |
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| [18:20:01] | meshe: | superdump: the keybindings for trunk's mythbrowser are in the README file http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . owser/README |
| [18:23:16] | iamlindoro: | superdump, I know a bit, can do my best |
| [18:24:20] | superdump: | it's supposed to support flash if using trunk and qt 4.5, right? |
| [18:24:29] | meshe: | correct |
| [18:24:36] | meshe: | and it does |
| [18:24:41] | superdump: | ok, i'll try that out |
| [18:24:48] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [18:25:10] | iamlindoro: | I did have to move the flash lib into a couple of different spots to have it work IIRC |
| [18:25:27] | superdump: | when entering text using a keyboard into some form box or the 'enter url' box, pressing backspace doesn't delete characters |
| [18:25:45] | superdump: | i guess because it's bound to 'back' |
| [18:25:52] | iamlindoro: | superdump, does the on screen keyboard come up? |
| [18:25:52] | meshe: | i've had annoying issues where I haven't been able to get a flash video to stay fullscreen, but that's probably jaunty/gnome/compiz |
| [18:26:13] | superdump: | iamlindoro: it does when i try to press space when in the UI widgets, but not in form boxes |
| [18:26:26] | iamlindoro: | superdump, Then that's probably a legit bug |
| [18:26:41] | superdump: | ok |
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| [18:26:53] | iamlindoro: | Paul Harrison is the mythbrowser guru, but he's not in the dev channel right now or I'd bounce it off of him |
| [18:27:03] | iamlindoro: | (paulh) |
| [18:27:12] | superdump: | noted, thanks |
| [18:27:15] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [18:27:26] | newbie002: | In mythtvsetup, I'm getting Probed Info: failed to open. Also there is no /dev/video |
| [18:27:34] | ** superdump continues poking it to see how easy it is to use for browsing purposes ** | |
| [18:27:34] | newbie002: | did I miss a step? |
| [18:29:39] | iamlindoro: | newbie002, Sounds like you've missed the "get your card working in linux first" step |
| [18:29:51] | newbie002: | yeah |
| [18:30:05] | newbie002: | I have ivtv installed and I believe the firmware is correct |
| [18:30:29] | newbie002: | any ideas? |
| [18:31:40] | kormoc: | running dmesg should give you some clues |
| [18:31:45] | iamlindoro: | the dmesg output is likely to be informati... dangit |
| [18:31:46] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [18:31:55] | kormoc: | heh |
| [18:32:44] | iamlindoro: | I think ABC is trying to be absolutely sure people don't prove that they're idiots in the ratings of the last three episodes of Pushing Daisies |
| [18:33:04] | iamlindoro: | by putting 3 mins of program, 4 mins commercial, 4 mins program, 3 mins commercials |
| [18:33:11] | superdump: | iamlindoro: minor consistency issue – the 'Show bookmark' button in the BookmarkManager menu doesn't have a capitalised 'b' whereas all the other buttons do |
| [18:33:27] | iamlindoro: | superdump, That's likely a theme issue |
| [18:33:31] | iamlindoro: | hang on |
| [18:34:37] | iamlindoro: | oh, yeah, code issue |
| [18:34:40] | iamlindoro: | hang on, patching |
| [18:35:16] | newbie002: | iamlindoro: I found a line in dmesg "pci 0000:01:05.0: Boot video device" |
| [18:35:33] | iamlindoro: | newbie002, That's not a tuner card message |
| [18:36:05] | newbie002: | oh |
| [18:36:54] | newbie002: | iamlindoro: what should I be looking for? |
| [18:37:06] | iamlindoro: | newbie002, dmesg |grep ivtv |
| [18:37:11] | iamlindoro: | should give you something more useful |
| [18:37:47] | newbie002: | iamlindoro: no not finding anything |
| [18:38:03] | iamlindoro: | newbie002, Then you don't have ivtv loaded |
| [18:38:16] | iamlindoro: | modprobe ivtv |
| [18:38:27] | iamlindoro: | or if you=buntu, sudo modprobe ivtv |
| [18:38:49] | newbie002: | iamlindoro: I've entered that command before, it doesn't seem to do anything |
| [18:38:56] | newbie002: | I'm on fedora 10 |
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| [18:39:06] | iamlindoro: | newbie002, It doesn't give text output, it just loads the module |
| [18:39:17] | iamlindoro: | now run dmesg and look at the last bit of it |
| [18:39:47] | iamlindoro: | superdump, ticket opened, patch added, thanks |
| [18:40:09] | superdump: | and thank you for the quick turnaround |
| [18:40:11] | newbie002: | iamlindoro: my bad, I ran modprobe again and got this: "FATAL: Module ivitv not found." |
| [18:40:12] | superdump: | :) |
| [18:40:22] | newbie002: | oh |
| [18:40:31] | newbie002: | spelling |
| [18:42:09] | iamlindoro: | superdump, As the cost for that, any chance I could ask you whether the ffmpeg-mt stuff looks good for sometime this year? |
| [18:42:15] | newbie002: | I have three new entries now: Linux video capture interface: v2.00 ; ivtv: Start initialization, version 1.4.0 ; ivtv: End initialization |
| [18:42:33] | iamlindoro: | superdump, I lurk in ffmpeg-devel, just wondered if you and astrange had had any off-list/IRC discussion about it |
| [18:43:15] | iamlindoro: | newbie002, Ideally we would want to see something more verbose than that (regarding loading firmwares, etc.), check to see if you have a /dev/video node now. If not, I'd guess you're missing the firmwares |
| [18:44:13] | newbie002: | no I don't |
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| [18:45:26] | newbie002: | iamlindoro: the reason I thought that I had the firmware loaded was that at some point I needed to move some .fw files, when I went to move them I saw that they were already there |
| [18:46:05] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: sent the e-mail to the ffmpeg-devel list... hopefully it makes sense to someone... seems fairly trivial to me |
| [18:46:18] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: thanks for the tip |
| [18:46:27] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, np |
| [18:46:33] | superdump: | iamlindoro: no news currently but i should know better very soon what's going on with it |
| [18:47:12] | iamlindoro: | newbie002, To be honest, it's been quite some time since I used an analog card, #v4l might be a better channel to troubleshoot that part of it |
| [18:47:28] | newbie002: | iamlindoro: I was following directions at http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware |
| [18:47:33] | iamlindoro: | superdump, Cool, needless to say we're eager on this side to play with it (as I am not as enraptured with VDPAU as some) |
| [18:47:43] | newbie002: | iamlindoro: thanks, I'll give them a shout |
| [18:47:47] | iamlindoro: | newbie002, np |
| [18:48:18] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: someone already responded! |
| [18:48:24] | superdump: | i have an nvidia 7800gt and a core i7 920 so ffmpeg-mt is more interesting to me also, i guess |
| [18:50:00] | newbie002: | it might be a conflict with sata |
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| [19:07:38] | superdump: | MOUSEUP Move mouse pointer up 2 |
| [19:07:38] | superdump: | 102 MOUSEDOWN Move mouse pointer down 8 |
| [19:07:47] | superdump: | ^ that's kind of weird |
| [19:08:00] | meshe: | look at your number pad :) |
| [19:08:01] | superdump: | 2 should be down and 8 should be up |
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| [19:08:20] | superdump: | meshe: exactly... |
| [19:08:26] | meshe: | sorry, i mean on a remote |
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| [19:08:41] | superdump: | aha |
| [19:08:43] | superdump: | ok :) |
| [19:08:54] | meshe: | you can swap those in the keybindings |
| [19:08:58] | superdump: | my remote has arrow keys so i didn't think of that |
| [19:09:02] | superdump: | but a good point :) |
| [19:09:49] | superdump: | ok, i think i'm done prodding mythbrowser for the moment |
| [19:09:56] | superdump: | flash worked well by the way |
| [19:10:01] | pizzledizzle: | im having problems scheduling recordings. there is this show that goes on every day and i want to record it. i select it in EPG and tell it to record on every showing. when i go to upcoming recordings, all of that shows are there but only one of them is gold (will record) and others grey (will not record). why is this? |
| [19:10:59] | meshe: | pizzledizzle: it's checking for duplicates, either the episode ids are the same and/or the show descriptions are the same |
| [19:11:14] | meshe: | i think you need to set the rule to allow redcording duplicates |
| [19:11:29] | pizzledizzle: | yeah the descriptions are all the same |
| [19:11:33] | meshe: | and you probably also want to set it to record one showing per day |
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| [19:19:19] | pizzledizzle: | yeah fixed it. thanks guys |
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| [19:29:21] | samsoom: | hello |
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| [19:42:35] | basment: | sphery: I did a fresh install of mythbuntu this time... but I still cannot schdule a recording :( |
| [19:43:00] | basment: | It has to be something I'm doing, of course :) .. but I can't see what I am missing |
| [19:44:13] | basment: | if anyone else can help, would be appreciated :) I get LiveTV (it records while it plays), I have full schedule... when I try to use Program Guide or Manual Recording, and make sure rule active, and hit save... it does not seem to save |
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| [21:21:41] | basment: | get LiveTV (it records while it plays), I have full schedule... when I try to use Program Guide or Manual Recording, and make sure rule active, and hit save... it does not seem to save |
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| [21:55:06] | jblack: | When did 3 gigs become such a small filesystem/ |
| [21:55:26] | iamlindoro: | 1997 |
| [21:56:10] | jblack: | yeah, that sounds about right. |
| [21:57:33] | sid3windr: | lol |
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| [23:41:40] | Sikander: | When using mythweb, and I click on the asx stream, the file is sent with Content-Disposition attachment; this way, firefox can't open it with a plugin. Where should I configure it so as not to send it as attachment? |
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