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Wednesday, June 3rd, 2009, 00:02 UTC
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[00:07:18] dj_segfault: Hey. I just rebuilt my server with Ubuntu Jaunty. I have MythTV working just fine, but I'm having a problem with MythWeb. When I go to the localdomain.com/mythweb, I get a directory listing. It's like the rewrite rules aren't working. I have mythweb.conf symlinked into sites-available, so they should be in place. Any hints?
[00:09:20] dj_segfault: I noticed that /var/www/mythweb/.htaccess is symlinked to /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess, but /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess doesn't exist. What should be in there?
[00:10:14] xris: dj_segfault: mythweb no longer has an htaccess file (unless ubuntu is adding one)
[00:10:49] dj_segfault: Hmm. OK, maybe deleting the dead symlink will do it.
[00:11:04] xris: maybe
[00:11:11] xris: are you sure that php is installed/configured?
[00:11:16] xris: maybe you just need to restart apache
[00:12:22] dj_segfault: Yes, I'm using PMWiki and Wordpress (this is a busy box!).
[00:12:33] dj_segfault: Oh, and SquirrelMail.
[00:12:45] dj_segfault: Yes, I restarted.
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[00:13:53] dj_segfault: I tried clicking on the mythweb.php and got "Database Setup Error The database environment variables are not correctly set in the webserver conf or .htaccess file." Definitely smells like the conf file is not being fully processed. Time to poke at the log files a little. Still open to other ideas though.
[00:17:56] ** Ponty tries to use Mythfrontend in VirtualBox. **
[00:18:01] Ponty: Kids are watching TV. :(
[00:18:04] dj_segfault: I have log level = debug for apache. I wish it had "tell me everything you're doing" setting.
[00:18:35] dj_segfault: Ponty: Windows laptop?
[00:18:49] Ponty: Laptop?
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[00:22:14] dj_segfault: OK, desktop. Whatever. So you're running Linux as a guest OS under Windows and running mythtv in it?
[00:23:03] Ponty: Yep. To boot, I'm going to try running an xsession instead of installing the software in the VM.
[00:23:07] Ponty: <- Demented some days.
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[00:23:41] Ponty: I hate when I miss the buttons.
[00:24:54] dj_segfault: Ponty Likes Pain
[00:25:03] Ponty: hehe
[00:25:11] dj_segfault: It would be cool if it works, though.
[00:27:44] Ponty: Well, the pre-scaling screen came up.
[00:29:05] Ponty: First imressions, this ain't gonna work worth a shifter knob.
[00:29:15] ** dj_segfault cheers myth on **
[00:29:51] iamlindoro: Wait until you try to play video, it'll get much worse
[00:29:52] Ponty: LOL! The audio is being ported out through Distro, not my local machine.
[00:29:58] Ponty: And its skipping like crazy.
[00:30:08] Ponty: I guess I'm gonna have to try and just install Mythfront end on the local machine.
[00:30:20] wagnerrp: the chances of getting enough power in a VM under windows to play video is next to nil
[00:31:01] Ponty: {grin} Oh you're probably right. But it keeps me occupied, and makes me ignore the fact that the kids are jumping on the sofa.
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[00:33:28] dj_segfault: You could stream over mythweb into Windows without Linux
[00:33:41] wagnerrp: or just grab the files directly with samba
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[00:34:18] Ponty: Yes to both, but I get to watch commercials, or manually forward through the commercials.
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[00:45:54] Ponty: ... no.. not going to work. WAY to jumpy. *pouts*
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[00:50:47] Ponty: Sweet. You guys have a mythtv app for windows... and it werks!!
[00:50:55] Ponty: Now just to see if it really DOES skip commercials.
[00:50:57] wagnerrp: we do?
[00:51:09] wagnerrp: you *can* compile myth for windows, but its incredibly buggy
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[00:51:31] Ponty: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Windows_Watching_R . . . ythTv_Player
[00:52:07] iamlindoro: That's nothing to do with the MythTV project
[00:52:13] wagnerrp: mythtv player is infrequently maintained
[00:52:15] iamlindoro: third party, unsupported here, etc.
[00:52:31] Ponty: Understood. But it werks.
[00:52:44] iamlindoro: I could really do without the leet-spell
[00:52:50] wagnerrp: AFAIK, the 0.21 support is just a hackish recompile to ignore database schema and protocol versions
[00:52:55] iamlindoro: yep
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[01:14:36] dj_segfault: (reposting this part, please bear with) I just rebuilt my server with Ubuntu Jaunty. I have MythTV working just fine, but I'm having a problem with MythWeb. When I go to the localdomain.com/mythweb, I get a directory listing.
[01:15:07] dj_segfault: New info: WHen I try to run a hello world .pl program, it downloads. I think my perl handler is not set up right.
[01:15:20] dj_segfault: How can I set that up?
[01:16:26] wagnerrp: that all gets set up in your mythweb httpd.conf include
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[01:19:14] wagnerrp: you need to ask an ubuntu user how their vservers are set up
[01:19:38] dj_segfault: wagnerrp: Yeah, I know it's *supposed to*. I don't think the rewrite rules in that file are working either, so I have a feeling it's not loading at all. I may have to try to get server-status to work so I can find out.
[01:19:53] wagnerrp: well then youre missing some needed modules
[01:20:01] dj_segfault: Yeah, I can ask on that channel, too. Thanks.
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[02:49:12] Er1K: anybody out there have the analog mpeg encoder side of the hauppauge hvr1800 working with myth? Card works fine (ty, Mr. Toth).... works great in myth as a dvb device, and I can use ivtv-tune to set a channel and "mplayer /dev/video1" to view a crystal clear av stream....but mythtv-setup says "Failed to probe" if I try to setup /dev/video1 as an mpeg encoder
[02:49:43] wilturn: I just set the clock on my machine via ntpdate... mythfrontend video/audio sped up and now it has hard locked
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[02:50:00] wilturn: is there any good way of doing that?
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[02:50:06] Ponty: wilturn> Power button to the rescue.
[02:50:28] wilturn: I can shell in.. but is there no way to sync the time with myth running?
[02:50:29] wagnerrp: Er1K: theres some bug with the 1800 v4l drivers, causing it not to work properly with mythtv
[02:50:43] wagnerrp: wilturn: no, you should not sync the time with mythtv running
[02:50:55] wilturn: ok thanks
[02:50:59] wagnerrp: in fact, syncing the time on a linux system causes some number of programs to barf
[02:51:05] wagnerrp: you should use ntpdate once at boot
[02:51:17] wagnerrp: and then use ntpd to slowly slew the clock to keep things in sync
[02:51:39] dj_segfault: I think there's a way to adjust how fast ntpd changes the time
[02:51:52] dj_segfault: But doing it once at boot is a good compromise
[02:51:55] wilturn: ntpd never seems to keep in sync.. generally I have to turn down that service once every few weeks, run ntpdate on its own and get back 2 minutes (which is what just happened)
[02:52:04] wilturn: but, yea.. thanks for the info on myth not liking that
[02:52:26] wagnerrp: the only reason ntpd would fail is because it lost connection to the upstream servers
[02:52:55] wagnerrp: although i do admit that ntpd running on my firewall needs a good kick every couple weeks
[02:53:22] wagnerrp: the backend and frontend should behave just fine on a clock change, so long as its not currently recording/playing
[02:55:19] Ponty: It'd be interesting to get a script going that would verify that the BE and FE aren't doing anything, then update the time.
[02:55:28] wilturn: ntpd bedevils me.. I will have to turn up more debugging again on it and make sure im getting to be a high enough stratum.. thank you wagnerrp
[02:55:49] wilturn: if I can nail it here, I should be able to get at the issue with it running inside a vm as well
[02:56:05] wagnerrp: wilturn: anything above 16 is fine
[02:56:20] wagnerrp: although if youre using the ntp.org pools, you really should never be above a 4
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[02:57:37] Er1K: wagnerrp: Yeah, I figured that part out :) I've become ahhhhhum waaaaay more familiar with the v4l-dvb codebase than I *ever* intended/desired. I was more curious about any patches/dirtyhacks/etc anybody had
[03:02:11] aarcane: hai, I've got somewhat of an issue..
[03:02:17] Er1K: wagnerrp: I've gone so far as to make a nice little streamer 'hack' setup to try and make it look like a freebox.....the resulting m3u works GREAT with vlc/totem/etc...even changes channels properly, but myth gets stuck at "partial lock" no matter what I do
[03:02:59] aarcane: my wife can't read the green color in the video screen on the theme that we otherwise love.. but I've been digging through the theme in depth, and I can't figure out where to change it. I can't find the word "green" or the hex code for green in any of the xml files.
[03:04:28] Er1K: aarcane: which theme, and where/whatfor is the offending color being used?
[03:05:29] aarcane: Er1K, It's the pear-ody theme, and the offending green is used in the video listing view for the file name and the player of the selected video.
[03:08:46] Er1K: aarcane: I don't have that theme, where did you get it? I know a *bit* about myth themes, so I might be able to offer some insight if I could recreate your environment
[03:10:19] ** Er1K is a strong believer that karma is a two-way street that seems to be a loop arrangement of sorts. **
[03:11:02] aarcane: it's very near the bottom of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Themes , and is called: Pear-odyTV-wide
[03:12:51] aarcane: I've already edited ui.xml by replacing #33ff33 with #ffffff and #33FF33 with #FFFFFF.
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[03:13:23] wilturn: I'm having trouble with the tuner I just added to capture analog cable.. I'm not sure if I've got a setting wrong in the capture card setup, or if there is some kind of cropping I can ask myth to do, but I seem to be capturing some data on top of the video and I'm not sure if it's the hardware or what.. old Hauppauge pvr-250 setup as an mpeg2 v4l device, screenshot here: http://antelope.hypa.net/myth/myth_pvr250_defect.png
[03:13:44] Er1K: aarcane: found it, I'll see if it's anything that jumps out at me shortly
[03:14:12] Er1K: aarcane: you blew away your old themecache, I assume?
[03:14:47] wagnerrp: wilturn: that frame is the proper aspect ratio for video off the 250
[03:15:02] wagnerrp: either the channel is broadcasting bad data, or your encoder is going bad
[03:15:30] wagnerrp: try using the direct framegrabber output on the 250, and see what you get
[03:15:37] wagnerrp: should be /dev/video24 or something like that
[03:16:08] wagnerrp: dont use mythtv for that
[03:16:15] wagnerrp: just do it quickly with vlc or tvtime
[03:17:27] aarcane: Er1K, I nuked Pear*, but nothing else.
[03:18:04] wilturn: thanks again wagnerrp, looking at it now I think I'm missing some of the bottom of the picture, so your call about bad hardware might be right on
[03:18:13] Er1K: aarcane: I've got the theme installed and have the offending green showing....I'll see if anything obvious jumps out at me
[03:18:18] wilturn: but Ill mess with those strange videoXs
[03:18:21] wilturn: you rock
[03:18:37] wagnerrp: your 250 is probably getting a bit old (purchased 2004?)
[03:18:44] wagnerrp: so i wouldnt be surprised by it going out
[03:19:01] wilturn: eh I just got it 2nd hand on ebay lately because I got tired of all the fighting with the 1800-HVR
[03:19:10] wilturn: so, yeah, unknown
[03:19:37] wagnerrp: the 250s stopped being produced sometime in 2004–2005
[03:20:20] wilturn: I figured it was in the sweet spot for linux compatibility ;p
[03:20:44] wagnerrp: the 150s are generally the recommended card, since they tend to be considerably newer
[03:21:11] aarcane: thank you for the help Er1K
[03:21:25] wagnerrp: but even then, i got my 150s coming up on 4 years ago
[03:22:30] Er1K: aarcane: found it :)
[03:23:16] ** Ponty is just LOVING this HTPC. Thank you thank you thank you! **
[03:23:24] Er1K: aarcane: in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/video-ui.xml ... there are several instances of <color>#33ff33</color>
[03:23:41] aarcane: Er1K, alright, thank you :)
[03:23:44] Er1K: not sure which is your target, cuz I just changed them all, but I made the green red as a result
[03:24:21] Er1K: now to pray that karma really works and somebody has a working freebox emulation example!
[03:24:52] wagnerrp: freebox? for old DOS games?
[03:24:56] Ponty: Freebox?
[03:25:11] aarcane: Er1K, I routinely support people in #archlinux and #apache, so one of them will use mysql, and one of them will use something dos-y, and will know freebox :)
[03:25:15] wagnerrp: no, i must be thinking of something else
[03:25:40] Er1K: no, emulating the french iptv-via-rtsp-via-m3u-via-special-prayers thing
[03:26:45] wagnerrp: aarcane: hes trying to get the analog output on a 1800 working, but setting up rtsp streaming over VLC
[03:26:51] wagnerrp: s/buy/by/
[03:26:54] wagnerrp: bleh
[03:27:25] Er1K: bingo....I've got it streaming, got it making nice m3u files....everything except myth loves 'em
[03:31:09] Er1K: on a related note.....anybody with charter digital cable who has managed to get more than a couple qam channels to work? I can get the 'musicchoice' crud and about 4 other channels....nothing else, not even the 'basic cable hdtv' channels like hd weather channel
[03:32:43] Er1K: (and yes, I've spent many hours with *scan to make channels.conf, etc.) Most of even the 'non-premium' channels do seem to be actually encrypted, but there is a bunch that I believe I *should* get (the qam tuner on my flat panel gives me the same results +/- 1 or 2 channels)
[03:32:51] wagnerrp: Er1K: you are guaranteed to get the local broadcast channels, nothing else
[03:33:18] wagnerrp: if you want confirmation, try a HDTV with a QAM tuner, or the community listings at schedulesdirectl.com
[03:33:23] wagnerrp: schedulesdirect.com
[03:33:30] wagnerrp: err... silicondust.com
[03:33:53] wagnerrp: i seem to be having trouble thinking tonight
[03:33:56] Er1K: wagnerrp: I have an hdtv with a qam tuner....same results, and NO local broadcast AT ALL....I would be perfectly happy with those alone
[03:34:02] Er1K: silicondust has nothing for my zip
[03:34:46] wagnerrp: in the US, you MUST get the local broadcast channels, or you complain to the FCC
[03:35:45] wagnerrp: i dont remember if they have to be in HD, but you have to get some form of them
[03:35:47] Er1K: so they are required by law to provide digital versions of those? what constitutes 'local'? my analog 'local' channels are a mix of portland and seattle, both of which are >100 miles away
[03:36:42] wagnerrp: thats a bit of a grey area, i dont know
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[03:42:52] ** Ponty smiles huge **
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[04:11:35] aarcane: thank you very much, Er1K, I just got to apply that change (kid was watching DVD) and it worked a charm.
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[04:44:32] Ponty: Watching Super Cars exposed.... I just saw an engine larger than my freak'n Sunbird.
[04:44:40] Ponty: *sigh*
[04:44:41] Ponty: I want.
[04:47:23] Er1K: wagnerrp: from my brief research, that only applies to 'ota' channels, and my local 'ota' channels are all low power repeaters that I do not think even fall under the 'dtv conversion' schedule.
[04:49:29] wagnerrp: so you got hosed...
[04:49:30] Er1K: Ironic....I live where catv was frigging invented
[04:50:36] Er1K: (debatable.... see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_television . . . ited_States, jump to "Leroy E. "Ed" Parsons")
[04:55:11] Er1K: wagnerrp: Looks that way.....I have DN, but nothing HD, nor would said be easy/cheap to integrate into myth (legitimately) without $$$ outlay. I only have catv as well since the price difference between tv+internet vs. internet alone basically makes the tv part free
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[07:17:32] wagnerrp: tsk tsk Iamlindoro... youre using first person... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Length_Script
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[09:56:43] OrEvA: Can I install myth-tv in ubuntu 8.04 through a repo?
[09:57:12] laga: yes
[09:57:24] laga: go to www.mythbuntu.org to find out more
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[10:36:50] th1: does anyone know a way to get the Sky EPG data in Myth? I know there is a plugin, OpenEPGToXML for ProgDVB so it should be possible..
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[10:39:19] spaceinvader: hi, seems one of my recordings has disappeared
[10:40:06] juski: th1: UK Sky or Sky Italia?
[10:40:11] juski: neither is possible, FYI
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[10:41:03] juski: your best bet is xmltv but that doesn't cover all the crappy channels
[10:41:08] psofa_: sorry for the offtopic but does anyone know how is this method of deinterlacing called : I want for each two fields to construct a frame from both of these without any blurring.I figured that if i output this frame twice on an nvidia tvout connected to an intelaced tv it would be the same as if i did output 1:1 interlaced
[10:41:16] spaceinvader: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1446042
[10:41:18] psofa_: i suppose that for each such frame the nvidia tvout will cut the even or odd fields and display them unaltered if i set the deflicker to 0
[10:41:58] juski: psofa_: I found the hardware deinterlacer/flicker filter to look better than any software deinterlacer
[10:42:31] juski: a teeny bit of blur is less annoying to me than juddering shit
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[10:42:59] psofa_: juski, the thing is i dont really want deinterlacing.im just searching for a way to pass the correct even/odd fields to my crt as if i had a true interlaced modeline
[10:43:05] juski: you can't
[10:43:23] psofa_: but consider this:
[10:43:27] juski: even if you got an interlaced mode to work there's no way to know which field is being output by the VGA card
[10:43:34] juski: but consider nothing
[10:43:36] th1: juski, it's sky UK
[10:43:47] juski: there's only a 50–50 chance you'll start playback on the right field
[10:43:54] juski: th1: you're stuffed. stick with xmltv
[10:43:58] th1: but I saw this: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2007-February/053277.html
[10:44:02] juski: but nothing
[10:44:46] th1: juski, I think I could stop the backend, run that program with that patch, and generate xmltv to use with mythfilldatabase
[10:45:01] psofa_: field 1 , field 2 -> frame12 ,frame12 (simply zipping 1,2) ->(tvout) frame 2 frame 1 or frame 1 frame 2 ..... hmm fuck you are right
[10:45:08] juski: th1: thinking isn't the same as ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO DO
[10:45:24] th1: ok well I will try it :)
[10:45:48] th1: of course *if* that works it would be nice to integrate it with the builtin EIT scanner
[10:45:59] juski: no dice, Sky encrypt their data
[10:46:10] psofa_: juski, both fields would be displayed but maybe with incorrect order :(
[10:46:21] th1: juski but I have a card for it and it works
[10:46:49] juski: th1: but by using a 3rd party CAM you're violating the T&Cs of your agreement with them
[10:47:04] th1: juski, well that's beside the point
[10:47:05] juski: and any reverse engineering of the streams to decrypt EPG data is naughty
[10:47:23] th1: if it's that "MHW" protocol it's hardly reverse engineering
[10:47:29] th1: but I'll try it and see if it works at all
[10:47:32] juski: it isn't AFAIK
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[10:47:45] th1: otherwise I'll just stay with xmltv it's just slow and sometimes screwed up
[10:47:58] juski: they go to a lot of trouble to obsfurcate stuff
[10:47:59] spaceinvader: anyone know why the recording i made isn't on disk? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1446042
[10:48:10] th1: when I'm used to the FreeView/FreeSat EPG xmltv seems a bit bad
[10:48:40] juski: a bit bad? considering you get more information with xmltv, and for a longer period of time...
[10:48:41] psofa_: juski, uhm so you say that the flicker filter looks better than any deint?By Using the software deints in xine motion looks pretty unnatural
[10:49:16] juski: psofa_: yeah the flicker filter, turned up to halfway or so, wasn't too blurry & looked sweet in terms of there not being any motion artifacts
[10:49:29] juski: only works with composite & svideo though, that's the rub
[10:49:36] psofa_: juski, cool ill try that :)
[10:49:44] th1: juski it's just the hassle of assigning xmltv id's to channels and all that
[10:50:00] th1: although I wroet a php script to help with that..
[10:50:03] psofa_: though im thinking of reviving my real magic card for a perfect interlaced modeline :)
[10:50:03] juski: hassle? FFS you only need do it once in a blue moon
[10:50:22] juski: psofa_: good luck getting myth to run on a framebuffer
[10:50:43] th1: juski, maybe you're right.. but I'll give this a go
[10:51:01] psofa_: juski, my question wasnt mythtv specific ,im using xine.I just asked here because its the best place to ask :)
[10:51:10] juski: spaceinvader: hostnames changed much recently?
[10:51:20] spaceinvader: juski: nope
[10:51:34] spaceinvader: juski: this was literally this morning, started recording ~10 hours ago
[10:51:35] juski: spaceinvader: all in one box?
[10:51:37] spaceinvader: but the file is nowhere to be seen
[10:51:38] spaceinvader: yep
[10:51:42] juski: dunno then
[10:51:47] psofa_: th1, if you are looking for sky uk epg stuff you could check the source of a vdr plugin that does it
[10:51:56] juski: what it looks like is the FE & BE hostnames are the same – which is bad for a remote FE
[10:52:24] juski: psofa_: that's not Sky UK. Sky Italia AFAIK. Different kettle of balls
[10:52:37] psofa_: i think it does both
[10:52:58] juski: hope murdoch sues their arses off
[10:53:21] psofa_: its called loadepg
[10:53:42] th1: psofa_, I will look after trying mhwepg-0.4.3
[10:54:17] juski: according to http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/Loadepg-plugin is won't work with Sky UK – least they don't say so specifically
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[10:55:30] juski: meh. another case of wikis being crap
[10:55:44] psofa_: http://lukkinosat.altervista.org/
[10:55:48] juski: my fave underground forum tells you all you need to know about stealing from Murdoch
[10:55:56] juski: should have known :-P
[10:56:06] th1: juski, it's probably based off that mhwepg program anyway
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[10:56:16] juski: well, happy theiving
[10:56:28] psofa_: lol
[10:57:24] juski: although if there was a bounty led project to crack Murdoch's encryption I'd happily pay, just out of spite
[10:58:03] XLV: murdoch's been bad?
[10:58:21] juski: newscorp not evil? on which planet? ;-)
[10:58:46] spaceinvader: i think people can already cardshare with NDS encryption
[10:58:54] psofa_: ....
[10:59:05] psofa_: :o they can? :P
[10:59:21] juski: that's not the same thing. you need a card in the first place
[10:59:28] spaceinvader: apparently the card works in a dreambox
[10:59:32] juski: aaanyway.. before anybody gets kicked/banned...
[10:59:47] spaceinvader: pfft, i don't even have dish, DVB-T is adequate..
[11:00:30] spaceinvader: haha i just noticed why the recording failed
[11:00:53] juski: woot! Blears has resigned
[11:00:55] spaceinvader: would help if the antennae was plugged in....
[11:01:08] juski: all we need now is for Brown etc to throw in the towel..
[11:04:15] purserj: aren't both sides nose deep in it?
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[11:05:38] juski: I have a thing about not allowing people from Scotland to have a say in English politics
[11:08:34] phunyguy: lol nice
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[11:21:24] gbee: there are plenty of reasons that Brown needs to go, whether it's fair that this is the nail in his coffin doesn't matter, like most of those who have gone in the last few days they should have been fired/resigned long before this latest scandal
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[11:38:09] XLV: still on the issue about MPs expenses? you should face the corruption here in greece
[11:38:22] XLV: eg with the siemens scandal if you know anything about it
[11:38:29] XLV: they had info on it from 2007
[11:38:32] gnif: Hi all, I have been using mythtv for a backend to XBMC for a while now, but ever since I have set it up, I have had issues with the backend crashing
[11:39:12] XLV: the two greek siemens representatives here, they didnt block the exit from country, and they didnt freeze their abroad accounts
[11:39:19] XLV: result, both escaped
[11:39:29] XLV: the 2nd one a week ago
[11:39:35] gnif: I am using a DVB-T card which seems to work fine with VDR, I have tried everything I can think of, even caught a crash in gdb
[11:39:57] XLV: and cause theres the euroelection now, they arrested his wife and 3 kids
[11:40:04] gnif: anyone else have the backend crash as regular as this?
[11:40:27] gnif: its bad enough that I have had to setup a cron job to check if it has crashed and restart it if it has
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[11:50:10] juski: gnif: without any info from the log nobody can help
[11:51:06] gnif: juski: Ill pastebin a log
[11:51:23] gnif: i have a feeling that the issue is due to poor reception, lots of errors in the stream
[11:53:06] juski: so sort the issues out :)
[11:53:58] gnif: i live in a remote area, its a little hard to just sort them out
[11:54:40] gnif: the errors dont bother me, the crashing does
[11:55:24] gnif: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1446108
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[11:56:39] juski: looks like you at least need to rescan your channels
[11:59:16] gnif: i did that a few days ago
[11:59:16] gnif: what makes you think that?
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[12:03:55] juski: program not found in PAT errors
[12:05:05] gnif: i have issues recieving a channel from time to time, could that cause those errors?
[12:06:17] juski: yup
[12:06:27] juski: and myth really expects good reception
[12:06:35] juski: it's not built to cope with fuzzies
[12:06:41] gnif: yeah, i figured that... :(
[12:06:45] juski: back to VDR you go
[12:07:17] gnif: I have a good antenna, mast head amp, and quad shielded rg6 though, but still dont get a stable enough signal :(
[12:07:39] gnif: espessially when the fog rolls in
[12:07:42] juski: maybe you need a better tuner
[12:07:56] gnif: nah, its pretty common here to have DVB-T issues
[12:08:47] gnif: I live in the blue mountains, lack of line of sight to even the city where the broadcast originates does not help, plus the kms of rock between me and there
[12:09:05] gnif: thanks for looking at the log, just confirmed my suspicions :)
[12:11:07] juski: being so far out in the sticks (rocks?) maybe you'd have been better off with dvb-s
[12:11:24] juski: or maybe the broadcasters will increase the dvb-t power output once analogue is gone
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[12:15:40] juski: whee amarok has crashed again
[12:16:21] gbee: power will be increased greatly once the switchover is complete in your region
[12:16:36] gbee: oh right, Australia, umm dunno about that
[12:18:08] ** juski shakes his fist at Amarok for crashing again **
[12:18:19] juski: might have to uninstall it & build it myself
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[12:53:28] th1: does anyone know how Myth assigns channel numbers when scanning DVB-S? and if there is any way to affect this (other than manually/sql script after tuning)
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[13:02:01] juski: uses the LCNs as far as I know
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[13:06:59] juski: channel numbers are a concept wedding to last century though, much like Live TV
[13:07:06] juski: s/wedding/wedded
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[13:27:17] gumpert345: hi, I run a opteron 165 backend server (2x 1,8ghz) for mythtv and as a fileserver, Id like to underclock and undervolt it, how deep may I go in Mhz, so mythtv still works?
[13:27:58] juski: depends
[13:28:13] juski: obviously clocking down to 1Hz may not be very good
[13:28:22] FR^2: haha
[13:28:34] laga: do you want to know how many MHz mythtv needs? or do you want to know how low you can go before it gets unstable?
[13:28:41] juski: if you do any commflagging or transcoding...
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[13:31:17] gumpert345: laga the first, the last will be something to find out by myself. It is a backend without frontend, and it shall serve dvb-s2 later on, I think this transcoding is done by the frontend, right? I dont know what commflagging is
[13:31:39] FR^2: Why don't you just try it out?
[13:33:12] juski: transcoding & commflagging are done by backends
[13:33:15] juski: not frontends
[13:33:20] juski: so you need MOARMHZ
[13:33:40] juski: if you want transcoding/commflagging to complete _quickly_ :-P
[13:33:50] gumpert345: what is it used for?
[13:34:01] juski: commercial flagging... HMMMM
[13:34:07] juski: transcoding... HMMM
[13:34:44] juski: commercial flagging is where mythtv looks in recordings for advertisment breaks
[13:34:51] juski: looks for patterns of images
[13:35:00] gumpert345: that will be useful
[13:35:10] juski: transcoding is where files of one video codec are transformed into another codec
[13:35:18] gumpert345: I wont need that
[13:35:34] juski: commflagging isn't as CPU intensive as transcoding
[13:35:46] juski: and commflagging isn't much use in Europe generally
[13:35:56] gumpert345: what cpu do you use for you backend?
[13:36:28] juski: Athlon 2000XP but I used to use a 800Mhz Athlon
[13:36:35] juski: worked fine
[13:37:06] juski: you can probably get away with far less, say 500Mhz if you don't expect much in terms of other performance
[13:37:16] gumpert345: I think I will try mine with 800 Mhz, too.
[13:37:26] juski: but FWIW you'd be better off and save more money with a more modern CPU
[13:37:37] spaceinvader: i use an athlon 64 x2 3600+, which does the backend, mysql, frontend with high quality profile
[13:37:40] juski: better for the environment in the long term aswell
[13:37:42] spaceinvader: about 20% usage on each core
[13:38:05] gumpert345: then Ill need a new mainboard, worse for my pocket
[13:38:27] juski: boo hoo
[13:39:24] laga: i dont think that "buying new hardware" is better for the environment – making that stuff is far worse than running it
[13:39:31] iamlindoro: MythTV, even though it runs on linux, is *not* intended for use on the slowest, cheapest hardware you can find
[13:39:57] juski: somebody been reading clever's blog again?
[13:40:07] iamlindoro: Unlix running some random DHCP box, Myth craves actual grownup PCs
[13:40:20] iamlindoro: s/Unlix/Unlike/
[13:40:33] juski: the merits of running routers etc in old hardware are long gone
[13:40:35] iamlindoro: Hmm, may have stumbled on a great distro name there...
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[13:42:05] gumpert345: a program where you can change powernowd to go power down even further, and undervolt more, would be great I think
[13:42:56] juski: a program to mix cocktails & serve them to me as I lie in my garden soaking up the sun would be great I think
[13:43:29] juski: or one which makes world peace & eliminates poverty. either or
[13:43:43] juski: by the end of the week. cheers
[13:43:44] gumpert345: try W.I.F.E by Human Fun Labs. ;-)
[13:44:01] iamlindoro: I want a pony
[13:44:02] juski: W.I.F.E. is nothing but a fun sink.
[13:44:03] iamlindoro: NOW
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[14:28:45] peque: Is it possible to set language and subtitles, so it remembers it? In my MBE I've chosen danish everywhere – but the DVB-S starts up with swedish speak and titles. I can manually change the language but not the subtitles
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[15:17:01] Zanthus: hi, just wondering if there is a spot on the Internet where you can download a keymap for a remote control?
[15:17:36] Zanthus: ie, a keymap that someone has made for a particular model of IR remote control
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[15:19:29] BadSector: Hello.. I need to make the "modprobe -r snd-bt87x; modprobe snd-bt87x load_all=1" start on boot (Mythbuntu) .. how do I do this?
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[15:23:56] peque: BadSector:_You add the lines to /etc/rc.local
[15:27:02] BadSector: thanks!
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[15:38:41] Zanthus: .
[15:39:25] laga: Zanthus: www.lirc.org
[15:39:41] laga: unless you're referring to .lircrc
[15:40:02] laga: which can sometimes be found in the wiki, but it needs to be tailored to your lircd.conf
[15:40:54] Zanthus: ah, okay; I'll have a look there
[15:41:15] laga: or use mythbuntu-lirc-generator or a similar tool
[15:43:36] Zanthus: hmmm
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[15:53:19] iamlindoro: Wow, Jeff Lu has been busy
[15:53:42] iamlindoro: The Windows Backend patches, even though I don't intend to run them, are a big deal IMO
[15:56:21] CyberKnet: iamlindoro: I haven't been following them... he have a blog, or are you just reading dev + commits?
[15:56:30] iamlindoro: The latter
[15:56:53] CyberKnet: Care to share the skinny version?
[15:57:38] iamlindoro: Patches to enable proper running of the backend, HDHR support, mythtranscode support, mythfilldatabase support
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[15:57:50] CyberKnet: HDHR?
[15:58:01] iamlindoro: HDHomeRun
[15:58:14] CyberKnet: Oh, that *is* a big deal.
[15:58:23] CyberKnet: notable things missing?
[15:58:40] iamlindoro: Go read the ticket if you're interested
[15:58:48] CyberKnet: Oooh, a ticket. That's the ticket.
[15:58:49] iamlindoro: 6597
[15:58:56] CyberKnet: awesome. thanks.
[15:59:01] iamlindoro: np
[15:59:15] CyberKnet: I am quite interested in this.
[16:00:10] laga: i think justinh is going to flip out
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[16:00:20] jduggan: lol
[16:00:38] iamlindoro: laga: Like I was saying, I may not intend to ever run a windows backend, but I can definitely appreciate good work on a neglected port
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[16:01:03] laga: iamlindoro: it's a port to a closed source platform, so i don't care. OTOH, nobody cares if i care.
[16:01:20] iamlindoro: laga: Heh
[16:01:30] laga: sad but true
[16:01:31] laga: ;)
[16:01:44] CyberKnet: Hmmmmm.... looks like only HDHR for sources.
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[16:02:30] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: Yes. Windows uses entirely different methods of handling capture cards, there's no way to "port" existing card support, someone will actually need to write an interface for windows capture APIs
[16:02:49] iamlindoro: Thus end user interest is basically useless, what's needed are people willing and able to actually *work* on it
[16:03:43] CyberKnet: Hmm... I've worked with DirectShow a little before, and it's not too difficult just to start streaming video into a file, but there's a lot more than that needed.
[16:03:51] iamlindoro: yes
[16:04:13] CyberKnet: But – and this is the big part – I've not worked with C++ really, all my DirectShow experience was from DirectSHow.NET
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[16:05:03] momelod: greetings channel
[16:05:16] CyberKnet: So even if I knew what it would take to get all the DirectShow stuff needed for good Win32 support – I don't code in C++
[16:06:31] CyberKnet: You'd think that given that I code in C# I'd have an interest in MediaPortal – but MythTV is so much better imho.
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[16:42:12] cesman: greetings momelod
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[17:20:17] iamlindoro: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-June/256929.html
[17:20:46] iamlindoro: So he's running what used to be stable, with backported VDPAU and HD-PVR, which means his DB is now broken and unupgradeable, and he's experiencing issues
[17:21:04] iamlindoro: San someone who is not me *please* explsin to him why he shouldn't expect help for this?
[17:21:22] iamlindoro: s/San/Can/
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[17:22:37] laga: "s there a way to get the backend to add this
[17:22:37] laga: option when it needs to load the hdpvr module?"
[17:22:38] laga: what?
[17:22:59] gbee: any distinct advantage to the 5050e vs the 4850e? we're talking about 2.6Ghz vs 2.5Ghz and just £1 difference in price ... seems like it should be a no-brainer, but I'm more interested in power consumption and I know the 2.5Ghz is fast enough for my purposes
[17:23:19] iamlindoro: laga: I expect he's probably added his hdpvr modprobe to rc.local instead of modifying the module options
[17:23:29] spaceinvader: gbee: surly it would be better to get the faster one
[17:23:36] iamlindoro: so the dev nodes are getting assigned before it gets to whatever he's added to rc.local
[17:23:37] spaceinvader: gbee: you can use speedstep anyway
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[17:24:47] gbee: spaceinvader: sure and I already do, but yet I feel like I must be missing something :) ah well, I'll get the 5050e, though not until after I get back now
[17:25:06] spaceinvader: gbee: compared cache sizes and stuff?
[17:25:48] gbee: laga: I think it's a similar suggestion to the one I made the other day for the Nova-T 500, adding sane parameters to the module options file
[17:26:10] laga: gbee: yers, but i doubt mythtv loads the driver ;)
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[17:26:41] gbee: spaceinvader: yeah, no differences I can see aside from the clock, although it might be in the architecture and supported features e.g. SSE4
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[17:27:16] gbee: laga: oh sure, it's a badly formed request, he doesn't appear to know how these things work – but valid all the same
[17:32:15] laga: gbee: i don't know why you'd need your hdpvr to show up as /dev/video1 all the time. it's probably a request for "provide proper udev support for v4l so my devices don't get swapped around"
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[17:46:31] pak0: hi all people, good affternoon
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[17:47:05] pak0: i have a little question, with mplayer, if i use vdpau, i have alot of tearing and movie breaks random time
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[17:47:35] pak0: with xv i dont have tearing, but low fps, and break less than vdpau with 1080
[17:47:47] pak0: what log i have to wath for look any error?
[17:48:20] mchou: logs wont tell you about tearing
[17:48:36] pak0: about break the movie  ?
[17:48:49] pak0: i have problems with 720p and 1080p
[17:49:00] pak0: and, if i use ktorrent more problems
[17:49:15] kormoc: first, torrents are not a topic welcome in here
[17:49:16] pak0: this computer is new and very good for hd, i think is a software problem
[17:49:22] pak0: apologize about my english
[17:49:26] kormoc: second, you'll want to talk to #mplayer about their software
[17:49:32] mchou: dude, this is not the ktorrent/mplayer support channel
[17:49:43] pak0: i use mplayer in mythtv, can i use another best?
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[17:50:15] kormoc: you can use the internal player, but if you're on -fixes, you'll be limited to xv/xvmc
[17:50:35] pak0: xv/xvmc is good for 1080p?
[17:50:57] kormoc: Depends on your processor
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[17:51:19] pak0: phenom 8650
[17:51:37] pak0: not is the best, but i think is good really?
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[18:00:25] wagnerrp: what is '1080p'
[18:00:29] wagnerrp: thats a meaningless statement
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[18:03:28] wagnerrp: well its not entirely meaningless
[18:03:36] wagnerrp: your video card and tv have to support that resolution
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[18:04:09] wagnerrp: but resolution is largely irrelevant towards decoding, it just affects the amount of buffer memory you need
[18:04:20] wagnerrp: and since its progressive, you dont have to worry about deinterlace performance
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[18:52:00] javatexan: anyone figure out how to play disney dvds from mythtv? My kids are having a time playing our disney dvds from myth, some seem to work but cars just fails. I am using mplayer dvd:// -dvd-device %d -cache 50000 -fs -quiet -zoom -vo xv at player settings.
[18:55:17] meshe: if you're using mplayer then it's mplayer failing, not myth
[18:55:47] opello: does the internal player do dvds? i don't remember
[18:55:51] meshe: yes
[18:56:02] opello: there's something to maybe try then :)
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[18:56:11] javatexan: yes...i couldnt get internal to play them either
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[18:57:39] javatexan: thats why i moved to mplayer today...hrrmmmmm what to try next
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[18:58:22] opello: xine?
[18:58:24] meshe: i still just use a hardware dvd player or rip them using clonedvd on windows and copy to myth
[18:58:37] opello: same, i only play files :/
[18:59:08] javatexan: i have clonedvd on windows but I get the flashing thing on some of the dvds
[18:59:17] javatexan: when they are finally in file form
[18:59:27] javatexan: the DRM flasing
[18:59:41] meshe: i've never seen that
[19:00:01] javatexan: i never saw it till the latest version of Anydvd and clonedvd2
[19:00:24] meshe: hmmm, did they sell out to the *AAs?
[19:00:52] wagnerrp: DRM flashing?
[19:00:53] opello: i moved to dvdfab a while back for such things, it works reasonably well — and i've never seen that
[19:00:58] javatexan: maybe...not sure...it goes picture, grey screen, picture, grey screen, etc
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[19:01:02] wagnerrp: you have macrovision that can cause flashing
[19:01:10] wagnerrp: but thats something generated by the player itself
[19:01:15] wagnerrp: not something on the disk
[19:01:26] javatexan: yeah
[19:01:34] javatexan: yep
[19:01:42] wagnerrp: you would only get that if you hooked up video capture to a dvd player
[19:01:53] meshe: i thought macrovision would die with VCR's
[19:01:55] javatexan: this is just windows xp
[19:02:08] javatexan: maybe its a windows update  :(
[19:02:11] meshe: but they've created a fake version of it for future models
[19:02:47] javatexan: sometimes smplayer for windows will do it with a ripped dvd just on the HD
[19:02:50] meshe: models/systems...
[19:02:51] javatexan: hard drive
[19:02:51] wagnerrp: well theyve added macrovision hardware to the outputs on dvd players
[19:03:03] wagnerrp: so the video output is garbled
[19:03:21] javatexan: yep...they are getting pretty evil with that stuff
[19:03:30] meshe: yeah, macrovision was just a way to exploit auto-tracking in vcrs and not let them lock on properly to the video signal
[19:04:03] javatexan: but they are simulating it in windows...
[19:04:32] wagnerrp: javatexan: ive not heard of that
[19:04:48] CyberKnet: This world would be a better place if there was a "Leave my video the heck alone, and quit trying to force me into using it in a specific way" law passed in every country.
[19:05:21] javatexan: yep
[19:05:51] ** CyberKnet glares in the general direction of Cable Labs **
[19:05:59] meshe: if if they just realized that it doesn't really matter what they do, people will use their media the way the want
[19:06:03] javatexan: its pretty new...i thought it was bad rips until i viewed on mplayer on linux...fine....went back to windows, macrovision flashing...weird
[19:06:23] javatexan: on smplayer on windows
[19:06:48] javatexan: not sure what version of smplayer, whatever was available about a week ago
[19:08:06] meshe: how does vlc handle it?
[19:08:40] javatexan: not sure...havent tried it in windows
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[19:15:00] laga: Winkie_: classy vhost
[19:15:26] mchou: hey anyone here familiar with directv? trying to help a friend upgrade to HD and not clear how much upgrade will cost
[19:15:45] mchou: conflicting reports from "free" to $199
[19:19:00] CyberKnet: I am not, sorry.
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[19:19:16] laga: you don't own any, you mean
[19:19:37] Winkie_: laga: thanks, i do get complaints occasionally
[19:19:52] laga: Winkie_: are they occasionally followed by a k-line? :)
[19:20:06] Winkie_: laga: i've yet to be punished :)
[19:20:09] dustybin: /join macosx
[19:20:11] CyberKnet: laga: directed at me? I meant "I am not familiar with directv"
[19:20:12] Winkie_: mostly because i sit on a network i have oper on most of the time
[19:21:15] laga: CyberKnet: ah, sorry.
[19:21:28] laga: CyberKnet: i thought you were referring to Winkie's "ur.fa.gs" host
[19:22:19] CyberKnet: laga: Ah, that makes sense. :)
[19:23:05] CyberKnet: I used to bnc for vhost a long time back. I find no reward in it these days.
[19:23:14] laga: yes
[19:23:21] laga: besides, my real host name is nice enough ;)
[19:23:40] CyberKnet: laga: heh
[19:25:09] ** CyberKnet wonders when putting Whois results in the active window became default for mIRC **
[19:25:12] CyberKnet: yick.
[19:25:59] Winkie_: :o
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[19:27:15] laga: well, mIRC.
[19:27:55] CyberKnet: I really like it as a client. Only OSS that came close to me was KVIRC, and it wasn't very close.
[19:28:03] kormoc: xchat 4 life yo
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[19:29:39] laga: irssi?
[19:29:55] laga: rock stable, lightweight, functional?
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[19:30:40] CyberKnet: This sounds really odd ... but I'm not a fan of text-mode IRC.
[19:31:29] ** kormoc wonders what other sort of irc there is **
[19:32:46] CyberKnet: Yeah, I know how it sounded :)
[19:33:20] kormoc: I use xchat on windows and os x, so I'm a fan of the program, just not of the developer per-cey
[19:33:24] CyberKnet: I prefer a GUI interface to it, is all.
[19:33:50] kormoc: and... xchat isn't a gui interface?
[19:33:59] CyberKnet: No, it is. I was referring to irssi
[19:34:03] kormoc: ahh
[19:34:05] spaceinvader: irssi == awesome
[19:34:06] CyberKnet: xchat isn't bad.
[19:34:21] CyberKnet: spaceinvader: everyone is entitled to their own opinion and preferences.
[19:34:59] laga: no
[19:35:03] laga: irssi really is awesome
[19:35:06] laga: that is a fact
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[19:35:07] laga: ;)
[19:35:08] CyberKnet: kormoc: I find something very appealing about MDI IRC though. That's what mIRC and kvirc bring to the table.
[19:35:13] CyberKnet: laga: heh. OK.
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[19:38:58] wagnerrp: MDI?
[19:39:21] kormoc: Model Dialog Interface, think ms word interface
[19:40:15] wagnerrp: TBH, its been 10 years since ive used mIRC, and i don see anything significantly functionally different from xchat
[19:40:32] wagnerrp: aside from difference in script programming
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[19:41:00] kormoc: wagnerrp, jailed subwindows, http://pepper.troll.no/s60prereleases/doc/images/mdi-example.png
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[19:41:35] wagnerrp: oh, i always ran it full screen anyway
[19:41:53] wagnerrp: im not a fan of subwindows in general
[19:42:10] wagnerrp: if youre going to have subwindows, just let them roam freely on the desktop
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[19:42:47] wagnerrp: thats my biggest complaint about excel, you have to forcefully start a second executable to get a second separate window
[19:43:08] kormoc: OS X baby :)
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[19:52:11] CyberKnet: My biggest complaint about gimp is that they're not contained within a parent window. I guess some people prefer different ways than others.
[19:52:36] wagnerrp: i assume you have a single monitor?
[19:52:47] CyberKnet: No, I have multi
[19:54:57] CyberKnet: Supposing I have distinct, free roaming windows, then I have to handle minimization/restore separately for each of the apps child windows. If they are jailed, then minimize the parent, the children are gone. Alt-Tab between parents, ctrl-tab between children. I like it. It's just personal preference though.
[19:55:28] CyberKnet: I realize that what I like is not what everyone else likes. My own reasoning for wanting it may indeed be the reason that other people can't stand it, even.
[19:56:01] wagnerrp: sounds about right.... i dont like it specifically because i want to control things individually
[19:56:12] CyberKnet: Yep, fair enough.
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[20:00:00] highzeth: anyone running -trunk with s2api & vdpau and care to share their experiences? Is it stable enough to pass the WAF yet? =)
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[20:03:38] wagnerrp: trunk does not have s2api support
[20:04:02] highzeth: I know, I was ref to the patch in trac
[20:04:16] wagnerrp: the patch in trac doesnt work with current trunk
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[20:06:56] highzeth: ok, so will -trunk in revision that s2api patches cleanly with work stable enough? Im not looking for the latest & greatest, I want to utilize the hd tuners thats currently running sd only..
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[20:10:49] highzeth: I have 5 backends running with 8 tuners(50/50 dvb-s/s2), and 5 frontends(non in combo), so I aint about to jump into it *just* for hdtv, looking for any hands on experiences with the above =)
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[20:11:13] wagnerrp: i dont know how far back you have to go for those patches to work
[20:12:11] Huijari: highzeth: dude... do you ever have time to actually watch the recordings? :P
[20:12:45] highzeth: I watch the few shows I follow, but Ive set this up on my home farm, so its shared on 3 houses, with kids & the lot. =)
[20:13:25] highzeth: my main reason to jump to hdtv was to watch WRC in a better Q.. I guess that says alot about my needs ;)
[20:13:47] wagnerrp: WRC? rally?
[20:13:52] highzeth: yeah
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[20:14:35] highzeth: ofc the others on the farm are also looking to get <whatevershowtheylike> in hd.. but thats not what got me to replace the 4 sd tuners
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[20:18:28] highzeth: janne's comment in ticket 5882 lead me to believe its been merged into the tree, I guess that didnt happen then. Anyone know why or whats stalling it?
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[20:21:34] wagnerrp: well maybe it is supported
[20:21:48] wagnerrp: but i was under the impression it was not currently
[20:22:04] javatexan: how do i get the numbers on my remote to emulate number pad keys instead of [0–9] keys?
[20:22:06] sphery: it's not even in trunk, yet
[20:22:15] sphery: if you mean the S2API stuff
[20:22:44] sphery: javatexan: if you're using LIRC, it's not a keyboard, so there's no concept
[20:22:44] highzeth: yessir
[20:22:59] javatexan: doh
[20:23:03] sphery: javatexan: with LIRC, remotes don't send key presses--they send strings to apps
[20:23:27] sphery: it just so happens that the strings Myth uses happen to correspond to the key names used for key bindings
[20:23:47] javatexan: well yeah...I am asking how to send the "numeric key pad" instead of "keyboard 0–9" key strings
[20:23:52] javatexan: :D
[20:23:59] highzeth: So I take it there are problems with the patch/approach then? Since janne's comment is from 3 months ago =)
[20:24:15] sphery: javatexan: and, really, Myth can't tell a difference between number keys and numpad keys, so what app are you trying to affect?
[20:24:20] javatexan: for mplayer they use the numeric for dvd menus...regular 0–9 key codes are not working
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[20:24:30] sphery: for mplayer you use commands
[20:26:01] sphery: javatexan: mplayer -input cmdlist
[20:26:13] sphery: and forget everything you know about keys
[20:27:52] javatexan: k... where do i tie in the pressing of the 5 button, to the appropriate cmd for mplayer
[20:29:25] sphery: the things listed by -input cmdlist are the commands you put in config = <command> lines in your .lircrc
[20:30:57] sphery: best bet is to try to find someone else's lircrc for mplayer (or any other DVD-playing media player)
[20:31:14] sphery: I don't do DVD's on my Myth box, so I can't help
[20:35:25] iamlindoro: SD Media is for the poors
[20:35:29] iamlindoro: ;)
[20:39:55] wagnerrp: what? SD media is more expensive than HD
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[20:40:05] wagnerrp: cheapest i ever bought a DVD for was $5
[20:40:53] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: God bless you, the max most people have paid for blu ray media is $0
[20:40:57] iamlindoro: THIEVES!
[20:41:41] wagnerrp: well thats the most ive ever spent on my blu-ray media
[20:42:01] wagnerrp: but thats because it came for free with my PS3
[20:45:13] wagnerrp: its hard to find cheap, simple parental control software
[20:45:26] kormoc: other then the wetware the parents are themselves?
[20:46:03] wagnerrp: everything is overly expensive software designed for overprotective parents to control their children
[20:46:44] wagnerrp: theres nothing designed for children to curb their Alzheimers afflicted parents' solitare addictions
[20:49:23] kormoc: there's all the timer softwares out there
[20:49:44] dustybin: iamlindoro: do you use WD greens?
[20:50:15] dustybin: am i right in thinking that WD greens do not operate at 7200RPM?
[20:50:22] dustybin: they run at a slower speed
[20:50:27] wagnerrp: dustybin: they run at both speeds
[20:50:34] wagnerrp: the spin up or down based on need
[20:50:41] dustybin: both ?
[20:51:06] wagnerrp: kormoc: windows has built in capability to limit user access to certain times of the day
[20:51:17] dustybin: would one notice a performance difference?
[20:51:32] wagnerrp: but i cant find anything for under $30 to prevent a program from running for longer than a preset time limit
[20:51:49] highzeth: dustybin: yes, you wouldnt use green drives when perfomance is important
[20:51:59] dustybin: aye ok
[20:52:23] dustybin: to hell with saving earth, performance ftw
[20:52:23] wagnerrp: however on a mythbox, a green will have more than enough performance for just about anything you want to do
[20:52:32] dustybin: aye ok
[20:52:36] kormoc: wagnerrp, http://stopgame-home-edition.askmesoft.qarchive.org/
[20:52:46] dustybin: WD greens for server and linux software RAID will be excellent
[20:53:17] dustybin: for desktop use, once might want a WD with a bit more grunt
[20:53:19] highzeth: I got 3min extra on one of my ups's when I swapped an array to GP drives, so yes, it def has its pros
[20:53:36] dustybin: bloody heck
[20:54:18] highzeth: WD 500G -> WD 1TB drives, 6 drive raid5
[20:54:31] dustybin: highzeth: software RAID?
[20:54:36] highzeth: yah
[20:54:40] dustybin: niceee
[20:56:06] dustybin: its time to watch The Apprentice
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[21:20:08] th1: does anyone have a db script to import the xmltvid's for Sky UK?
[21:20:17] th1: or willing to do a db query to dump them?
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[21:55:11] wilturn: wagnerrp, you might have already found this, but it sounds like you might be able to schedule out something to call this after X time running: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896683.aspx I use a small bash script to kill programs after the machine goes 20 minutes idle through the MS scheduler.. wrap your target exe in some sort of script that timestamps a file on startup maybe if you just want some number of
[21:55:11] wilturn: minutes?
[21:55:51] wilturn: ah jeez, not bash.. BAT
[21:58:08] wilturn: Im tired of fighting with Hauppauge cards.. the HDHomeRun is a good pick for people wanting clearQAM/ATSC on mythtv?
[21:59:00] gbee: wilturn: I've heard no complaints
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[22:00:04] sidh: greetings gentlemen
[22:00:14] sidh: i'm looking for requirements for having mythtv with FreeBSD and OSS , but for the moment i have an (old but working) PAL/NTSC TV,
[22:00:17] wilturn: you really cant say that about any other hardware I find.. I guess I'll bite the bullet, thanks gbee
[22:00:21] sidh: as this HTPC would display movies, music and pictures
[22:00:38] sidh: i would like to know if mythTV can resize on the fly pictures before displaying them
[22:01:05] spaceinvader: does the freebsd cx88 driver work with mythtv?
[22:01:25] sidh: because pal tv can not display very well native pics taken with 12Mpix camera
[22:02:56] sidh: space invaders, i will buy Hauppauge WinTV-NOVA-T-500 – Carte TV PCI double Tuner TNT
[22:03:35] sidh: seems to work with bktr driver
[22:04:03] wagnerrp: wilturn: ive had no troubles with my HDHR
[22:04:39] wagnerrp: some people report that it will lock up occasionally, but i think ive only had that happen once over 7 months of use
[22:05:01] sidh: does someone here hase good results in using mythTV with a PAL TV ?
[22:05:16] sidh: s/hase/have
[22:06:16] wilturn: sidh: the gallery seems to handle scaling/transitions very well: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythGallery
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[22:08:23] sidh: wilturn: thanks for the url , i hope with PAL TV it will works enough good
[22:08:41] wilturn: yeah sorry I dont know much about PAL, but I see plenty of options for it.. I think you should be all good
[22:09:59] highzeth: afaik it shouldnt matter.. pal/ntsc all it has to deal with is the resolution of its output and act accordingly
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[22:20:09] TUplink: wow.... my frontend froze so i had to cycle power... now the backend thinks its still watching TV how can i stop it?
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[22:20:35] cesman: restart the backend
[22:21:07] cesman: if your system frozed and you force a restart the hard way, it is probably a good idea to check the db for damage...
[22:21:41] clever: it sounds like he only hard-reset the frontend
[22:21:53] clever: and the master+db kept on recording without a clue
[22:22:26] TUplink: yea i reset the frontend
[22:22:43] TUplink: im reseting the backend now
[22:22:48] TUplink: |(
[22:23:32] sphery: check/repair db by running optmize_mythdb.pl
[22:23:42] cesman: ah...seperate FE
[22:23:45] TUplink: cant i just use mythweb to do that?
[22:24:50] sphery: assuming that the DB is in sufficiently-good state to run mythweb
[22:25:01] TUplink: it is
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[22:41:15] th1: my frontend freezes often with vdpau
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[22:42:00] th1: I had to add to my .lircrc, "prog = ircexec button = power config = /home/th/killmythtv"
[22:42:10] th1: to get usable WAF
[22:42:24] TUplink: it freezes when i go into the programing guide.... the quide FLASHES over the vid its wierd
[22:42:40] th1: TUplink, mine freezes when I change channels or do everything with subtitles
[22:42:55] th1: mostly the video just gets choppy around the show/hide of subtitles
[22:42:59] th1: its dead annoying
[22:43:38] TUplink: yea..... anyone had the prob with the Guide Flashing
[22:43:51] th1: for some reason when I switch to another source e.g. DVB-S <> DVB-T it's more likely to freeze
[22:44:19] iamlindoro: If WAF matters, DON'T RUN TRUNK
[22:44:22] th1: maybe because they are on different backends
[22:44:33] th1: iamlindoro, I am running 0.21-fixes-avenard
[22:44:49] iamlindoro: th1, In that case, you're not running mythTV at all, and we don't provide any support for you
[22:44:51] highzeth: th1: so am I, no issues with freezes or anything you describe
[22:45:03] iamlindoro: So seek help from JYA
[22:45:20] th1: iamlindoro, I have 3 different myths, trunk, 0.21-fixes and avenard ;)
[22:45:42] iamlindoro: th1, sure
[22:46:06] iamlindoro: too bad by running that fork, anyone here who knows what they're doing will be ignoring *all* your help requests from here on out
[22:46:09] th1: but honestly 0.21+vdpau should be supported until 0.22 is more stable because it just makes it feasible to run myth hd on reasonable hardware
[22:46:24] iamlindoro: th1, That's not the way it works
[22:46:31] th1: you just said the WAF thing
[22:46:47] iamlindoro: th1, No, *you* said the WAF thing
[22:46:48] th1: it's not really possible to use 0.21 with HDTV without the vdpau fixes
[22:46:55] th1: and you said "if WAF matters dont run trunk"
[22:46:58] iamlindoro: Uhh... it most certainly is
[22:47:11] th1: sure if you have a quadcore pentium something expensive ;)
[22:47:22] iamlindoro: buy adequate hardware, or wait for .22, those are the *only* options that will get any support here
[22:47:30] th1: not if you have an Athlon 3000+ with Geforce 9400
[22:47:41] TUplink: whats the ETA 4 2.2?
[22:47:45] iamlindoro: VDPAU backported to .21, especially given the hodgepodge of other garbage he has added to his packages, are totally unwelcome here
[22:47:45] TUplink: 0.22
[22:47:57] th1: iamlindoro, if 0.22 is getting more stable I'll opt for that
[22:48:06] iamlindoro: th1, .22 doesn't exist
[22:48:13] th1: but if you are saying it's not ready for WAF-critical apps yet then .. ;)
[22:48:42] iamlindoro: th1, I imagine you're being clever, but what you are running is *not* MythTV, it's a fork, and requests for help with it will not be honored here
[22:49:04] iamlindoro: People who aren't writing myth don't get to decide which features are supported
[22:49:19] iamlindoro: and "because I need it" is not a reason to break the current release
[22:49:23] th1: there's a difference between a fork and backports of bleeding edge features to stable versions
[22:49:30] th1: debian-backports is a fork iyo?
[22:49:34] TUplink: LMAO iamlindoro what was your first clue?
[22:50:01] iamlindoro: th1, debian backports is *nothing* like hacking on stable code and turning it into unstable code
[22:50:24] th1: sometimes, it is
[22:50:24] TUplink: NEWS FLASH peopl that dont code mythtv decide what features will be in the next release
[22:50:40] th1: the main thing is, vdpau is becoming sort of a "critical" feature
[22:50:46] iamlindoro: .21 with a bunch of half-finished backports is no longer a stable release, and is considered a fork, especially given the *dozens* of extra patches he has applied having nothing to do with VDPAU
[22:50:52] th1: lots of the other stuff in trunk isn't
[22:51:05] th1: ok..
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[22:51:12] momelod: hello again
[22:51:15] iamlindoro: and those dozens of extra patches aren't even applied to *trunk*
[22:51:27] th1: I'd take a clean 0.21-fixes with a pure vdpau patch any day over some dozen patches I dn't know what do
[22:51:48] th1: but I'd even rather have a 0.22 soon even if there are still features that can't be included ;)
[22:51:49] RyeBrye: Maybe buy a TiVo?
[22:51:51] iamlindoro: th1, Neither case would get any support here
[22:52:01] RyeBrye: I hear it doesn't have an issue with drivers
[22:52:03] iamlindoro: neither random patches nor VDPAU backports will *ever* get answers in this channel
[22:52:07] momelod: some1 here mentioned that the new ivtv drivers were now built directly into the kernel. how can i check if my system is using the correct drivers?
[22:52:26] th1: iamlindoro, why is a vdpau backport bad when everyone agrees that trunk is not stable yet?
[22:52:31] iamlindoro: momelod, ivtv has been in kernel for several years
[22:52:41] cesman: th1: I can give an example
[22:52:53] th1: yes pls
[22:52:55] RyeBrye: th1: vpdau ITSELF isn't stable
[22:53:13] th1: RyeBrye, but it's better than the alternative = not being able to playback on my hw
[22:53:13] cesman: th1: I patched -fixes w/ VDPAU. commercial flagging no longer works
[22:53:17] momelod: iamlindoro: i ask b/c i upgraded my distro and now get DMA errors and cannot watch/record livetv.
[22:53:30] RyeBrye: th1: what did you do before?
[22:53:32] th1: cesman, vdpau is a frontend feature, cf is a backend feature
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[22:53:34] cesman: th1: any attempt to work w/ said author of patch has been _futile_
[22:53:44] th1: RyeBrye, I didn't have HD channels and those I did I couldn't watch
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[22:53:46] momelod: everything was hunky dory before the upgrade. so i wonder if its the drivers in the updated kernel
[22:54:02] iamlindoro: th1, VDPAU is a feature pertaining to DECODE, it is NOT just a frontend feature
[22:54:03] cesman: th1: w/o patch, commercial flagging works w/o issue
[22:54:10] iamlindoro: th1, VDPAU changes alter libav*
[22:54:15] th1: iamlindoro, it is only needed for playback though
[22:54:19] iamlindoro: which is used by *every* element of the frontend and backend
[22:54:41] th1: iamlindoro, my frontend runs on a separate machine. my backends are mythtv-0.21-fixes unpatched
[22:54:51] iamlindoro: th1, But the hacked-up changes *exclusive to JYAs backport* break commflagging by incorrectly modifying libav*
[22:55:03] th1: I'll believe that
[22:55:17] th1: and I bet that it breaks other stuff too
[22:55:19] iamlindoro: th1, You are missing the point-- do what you want, but you will not receive *any help here* with your Myth install
[22:55:39] iamlindoro: you can seek help from Jean Yves with your install from here on out
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[22:56:08] th1: iamlindoro, you're almost making it sound like if it was closed source or something
[22:56:19] th1: it's just a patch to add some much needed features to the 0.21 branch
[22:56:24] iamlindoro: th1, Not even remotely, don't be disingenous
[22:56:28] th1: not some evil plan to derail myth development
[22:56:55] iamlindoro: Open source says you can do what you want with the source-- it does *not* say that the core project has to support someone's broken modifications
[22:57:15] th1: I don't think youre being fair to avenard
[22:57:20] th1: he's doing a lot of people a favour
[22:57:25] iamlindoro: And it's the policy of this channel and the project in general that those changes are unofficial and not supported, so the official channel will provide no support for them
[22:57:45] th1: in true open source spirit...
[22:57:53] iamlindoro: That's great, so you guys can support it somehwere else-- it just won't be here
[22:57:55] th1: anyway I won't labour my point but I think it's a bit one sided
[22:58:11] iamlindoro: I say do what you like with the code, put boobies on every page if you like, it just won't be supported
[22:58:19] th1: lol
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[22:58:44] sphery: and I don't see how it should be iamlindoro's responsibility to get and run and learn all the issues associated with the JYA build which contains tons of untested/not-yet-accepted code--we have a hard enough time keeping up with the official version of Myth
[22:58:50] th1: now that would be a theme,not a patch iamlindoro ;)
[22:58:51] RyeBrye: if the boobies were openGL animated, I might help support that fork
[22:59:08] iamlindoro: th1, Actually, it could easily be patched into existing themes
[22:59:21] th1: lol yeah
[22:59:28] th1: WAF<0
[22:59:37] iamlindoro: guess you need a cooler wife
[22:59:51] jduggan: lol
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[23:00:00] pat_: my wife wouln't disapprove, she'd be bemused.
[23:00:09] iamlindoro: That's the kind of wife we like here
[23:00:24] th1: you mean sluttier? no thanks ;)
[23:01:00] RyeBrye: you should patch your wife
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[23:01:04] RyeBrye: backport some patches
[23:01:18] th1: anyway iamlindoro just to sum up I understand you don't like avenard's patch and I shall refrain from asking questions about it in here for the future
[23:01:32] RyeBrye: avenard himself doesn't understand his patch
[23:01:40] iamlindoro: th1, My feelings on him or his patches are immaterial, it's jsut policy
[23:01:48] RyeBrye: he admits on the email list that he doesn't know much and just hacked it together
[23:01:50] th1: as I said I accept the policy
[23:01:55] iamlindoro: It's not myth code, it's broken, and it won't be supported, ever
[23:02:09] sphery: iamlindoro: did you see the post on -users getting the same jumping-past-the-end-of-flaglist error? He says 0.21-fixes with DVB-S (I'm assuming H.264, though he didn't say).
[23:02:16] th1: but I will be looking strongly forward to a stable MythTV release with vdpau support :)
[23:02:18] meshe: i am the wife, the HAF factor in our place is awesome, if Holly isn't working right, hold down the power button for 5 seconds, wait a couple seconds, press the power button, Holly works again
[23:02:20] AndyCap: th1: besides, he says if you donate 1 million dollars, he'll come visit you.
[23:02:27] iamlindoro: sphery, Yeah, I've been tracking it but haven't had any time to work on it in the past few days
[23:02:28] th1: lol
[23:02:31] iamlindoro: sphery, it's a heavy training week
[23:02:41] sphery: iamlindoro: just wanted to mention it's not a trunk-specific thing
[23:02:54] iamlindoro: sphery, yeah
[23:03:06] sphery: wow, my recollection of the error message was way off
[23:03:16] iamlindoro: sphery, The percentage of recordings I watch that are a) in progress and b) h.264 are relatively low so I'm not stung badly
[23:03:20] sphery: but at least you knew what I meant
[23:03:24] iamlindoro: yeah
[23:03:49] th1: would it be possible to run a trunk frontend against a network of 0.21 backends?
[23:04:03] gbee: np
[23:04:05] gbee: no
[23:04:06] sphery: yeah, not saying you should fix it--you just happen to have the broadest knowledge of the issue so far, so I was making sure you had that, too... :)
[23:04:28] iamlindoro: sphery, thanks :)
[23:04:36] sphery: dangerous typo, gbee ... np=no problem, which is really different from no :)
[23:04:50] jams: sphery- i was thinking the same thing
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[23:05:43] momelod: anyone wanna help me fix my ivtv dma errors?
[23:05:48] sphery: Well, my patch for Myth is done, so it's now dinner time!  :)
[23:06:14] sphery: I didn't think ivtv cards had DMA issues since 0.10 versions of the driver
[23:06:35] th1: so realising that I need to move to trunk eventually.. are there any plans for a semistable alpha release or whatever?
[23:06:36] momelod: sphery: yeah it was working perfectly for over a year
[23:06:41] momelod: now im getting them all the time
[23:08:09] momelod: i added a sata drive to the box, and shortly afterwards i started to notice these errors.. could that have anything to do w/ it
[23:08:16] mr_claus1: i'm fighting with an ex15000 to get tv out working with minimyth, somebody can give me a hint how to configure it?
[23:08:27] momelod: its hard to pinpoint when it stopped working, b/c i wasnt watching live-tv for a long period
[23:09:54] momelod: i put in the new drive, and then updated my distro
[23:10:01] momelod: so either one could have caused the problem
[23:10:25] momelod: i've googled the issue to death and i dont know where else to turn
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[23:14:43] sphery: momelod: I'd guess a hardware issue--something related to specific configuration of your system/components in your system
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[23:15:13] sphery: might want to try removing the SATA drive (and/or other hardware) to see if you can stabilize it
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[23:15:26] sphery: once you figure out what's causing it, then you'll be better able to plan a fix
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[23:15:40] highzeth: also smells like a psu issue to me, man all the odd errors that can give
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[23:15:54] sphery: very good point
[23:15:58] momelod: psu? power supply unit?
[23:16:03] sphery: and, if getting a new PSU, go 80 PLUS!
[23:16:09] highzeth: added drive.. more strain.. result unstable system
[23:16:14] momelod: hrmmm
[23:16:16] sphery: yeah power supply unit
[23:17:06] sphery: why getting an 80 PLUS PSU could actually pay for the PSU itself in only a couple years (20mos for me): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/371460#371460
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[23:17:36] sphery: saving me $1.50/mo (per myth backend)
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[23:17:41] momelod: what can i do to my system so that it uses more juice, i wanna see if i can trigger an ivtv dma error
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[23:17:54] sphery: max the CPU out
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[23:18:02] sphery: (though that could trigger it for other reasons)
[23:18:03] highzeth: write & read alot of data on the drives
[23:18:05] sphery: plug in a bunch of drives
[23:18:29] momelod: right on, thanx guys ill give it a try
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[23:18:48] highzeth: best of luck
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[23:18:58] th1: iamlindoro, either way with mr. A's patches being bad or not, the latest nvidia beta driver fixed my stuttering issue ;)
[23:20:29] mchou: momelod: hint: cat /proc/interrupts
[23:20:33] th1: so probably a vdpau issue
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[23:20:54] mchou: momelod: bet you've got something going on there
[23:21:28] meshe: momelod: my favorite min the cpu task is to to a make -j <cpus>+1 on a kernel compile
[23:21:40] meshe: er max*
[23:22:13] momelod: mchou: http://pastebin.ca/1446913
[23:22:39] mchou: dude man
[23:22:53] mchou: change the pci slot the ivtv card is in
[23:23:13] momelod: why whats u[
[23:23:14] mchou: firewire, ivtv, video
[23:23:16] mchou: lol
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[23:23:24] mchou: all dma heavy stuff
[23:24:10] mchou: ivtv1 too
[23:24:20] mchou: ethx is all dma
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[23:24:27] momelod: i dont use firewire.. but i suppose ivtv would compete with the video driver
[23:24:38] meshe: and eth0 and eth1
[23:24:42] momelod: ill try that thanks mchou
[23:25:13] mchou: your system is too overloaded anyways
[23:25:22] momelod: how do u mean?
[23:25:36] mchou: why are there so many disk controllers?
[23:25:40] momelod: 19:25:25 up 26 min, 2 users, load average: 0.25, 0.26, 0.24
[23:26:08] mchou: no, overloaded as in interrupt distribution
[23:26:14] momelod: ahh
[23:26:36] clever: ive had IRQ problems before when my sata controler was sharing with the ethernet
[23:26:40] mchou: if you dont use firewire turn that stuff off
[23:26:44] clever: and the whole thing was network booting
[23:26:47] momelod: well i have ide for 1 disc and 1 cdrom, then there is a sata controller
[23:26:58] clever: caused masssive timeouts on the drive and threw the clock off by maybe 20minutes
[23:27:09] clever: cat /proc/interrupts
[23:27:14] clever: is anything sharing an irq?
[23:27:18] mchou: momelod: any why are all frigging usb ports on anyways?
[23:27:49] momelod: mchou: ill try disabling it in firewire in the bios, would that help
[23:28:16] mchou: anyways, I'd move ivtv to a slot that has irq 22 (with the sound chip)
[23:28:22] clever: if its like my problem, you could 'fix' it by just rmmod'ing one of the 2 drivers
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[23:30:02] mchou: and sata_via is lightly loaded (0 interrupts)
[23:30:40] mchou: move ivtv such that ivtvx and sata_via share an interrupt
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[23:31:08] mchou: why are you using ivtv anyways?
[23:31:28] momelod: cause i have a hauappauge
[23:31:34] mchou: havent you heard of the digital transition?
[23:31:48] momelod: oh, u mean a digital tuner
[23:31:50] clever: mchou: ive heard that sata_via hates sharing its irq
[23:32:06] clever: and mine did go hay-wire when i did that
[23:32:13] mchou: clever: maybe, but it's not processing any interrupts
[23:32:17] momelod: lol. i get an analog signal here so thats what i connect to
[23:32:27] jams: the analog tuners will still be useful to many after the "switch"
[23:32:32] clever: mchou: it allmost looks like he doesnt have any sata drives
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[23:32:48] momelod: i believe my system has two sata controllers
[23:33:00] momelod: i will diable the via one and try to move the ivtv card there
[23:33:03] clever: yeah i can see sata_via and sata_promise
[23:33:21] momelod: im going to try that right now.
[23:33:29] momelod: thanks for the new hope
[23:33:36] momelod: i thought i was going crazy :D
[23:33:54] clever: so was i when i got the new controler and 1tb, and couldnt even read a 5mb file
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[23:35:12] clever: each pci slot is given a set of 4 IRQ's
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[23:35:24] clever: the 1st slot has irq a, b, c, and d
[23:35:30] clever: 2nd has b, c, d, and a
[23:35:37] clever: and it cycles thru them like that
[23:35:59] clever: most cards only use the 1st irq line, so the cards will end up using irq a b c and d
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[23:36:19] clever: but the 5th card, has the same lines as the 1st card, and will have to share
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[23:36:34] clever: and the number that a is assigned to, may be sharing with an onboard device
[23:36:52] clever: moving a card 1 slot over, will change its irq easily
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[23:54:56] th1: clever, with apic each one has its own pin and apic aware software can switch them around
[23:55:08] clever: ah
[23:55:19] clever: maybe the P2 system i had trouble on lacked that
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[23:55:54] th1: probably and even then apic is/was complex enough that many systems didn't support it properly
[23:56:13] th1: hence the "noapic" kernel options etc.
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[23:56:57] clever: [ 0.000000] ACPI: BIOS age (1999) fails cutoff (2000), acpi=force is required to enable ACPI
[23:57:00] clever: [ 0.000000] ACPI: Disabling ACPI support
[23:57:06] clever: from that P2 box that had the irq trouble
[23:57:14] clever: [ 0.000000] Local APIC disabled by BIOS — you can enable it with "lapic"
[23:57:25] th1: did you try with acpi=force or lapic?
[23:57:30] clever: dont remember
[23:57:39] th1: it might just have crashed and burned if you did ;)
[23:57:40] clever: but playing musical chairs with the pci slots solved the problem
[23:57:45] th1: ok
[23:57:57] th1: p2 systems were in the early days of acpi
[23:58:11] th1: it first became really important with multiprocessor systems
[23:58:16] clever: one of my bigger irq problems that i still havent solved
[23:58:20] th1: because it's nice to be able to load balance the interrupts between cpus
[23:58:30] clever: one of my laptops with i think a P1, seems to be missing the 'irq routing table'
[23:58:40] clever: so linux cant figure out what IRQ the pcmcia slot is at
[23:58:56] clever: so it falls back to legacy mode, which cant handle irq or pci like features
[23:59:19] th1: most likely it can be fixed with a laptop specific kernel option or config option
[23:59:32] th1: if the laptop is popular enough for anyone to have bothered ;)
[23:59:56] clever: i opened the source code for the pcmcia driver and hard-coded the irq for the card

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