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Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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sphery:

yay! batteries are charged. Back to watching TV the easy way.

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iamlindoro:

cerebral implant?

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sphery:

oh, that would be easier

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wagnerrp:

blink once to go up one channel, twice to call a hooker

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sphery:

that might work for Nancy Pelosi, but some of us blink normally while watching TV

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sphery:

(sorry to Jay Leno for stealing his material)

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iamlindoro:

Jay Leno kills good TV

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iamlindoro:

He is all that is evil and wrong

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iamlindoro:

Five hours of primetime TV that won't have anything worthwhile next year

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sphery:

but on this, the first weekday after the end of The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, I wanted to pay homage to his not-stomping-all-over-primetime show

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iamlindoro:

now if he'd just stop there...

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sphery:

well, it's quite likely he'll stop just after there... maybe around midseason next year?

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iamlindoro:

one can hope

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sphery:

but imagine how much NBC would be scrambling for replacements

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iamlindoro:

It's sad to think that the best thing NBC has managed in the past three years is Heroes

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iamlindoro:

so not much hope there

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sphery:

I don't know. 30 Rock is great (and this was its 3rd season). And Chuck--well, 'nough said.

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iamlindoro:

OK, chuck wins

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wagnerrp:

hes getting an hour ever night?

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sphery:

I have to admit I had to look up what shows were on NBC to remind me, though. (One of the perks of using Myth--no need to pay attention to which channel airs what.)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yep, 1-hr primetime show (10–11 Eastern) 5 days a week.

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wagnerrp:

well at least i didnt previously watch anything in that timeslot

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wagnerrp:

whats with the scheduling on The Tonight Show? 11:35–12:37?

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phunyguy:

hmmm

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phunyguy:

got the new backend going

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wagnerrp:

and how did they decide to replace Conan with Jimmy Fallon?

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wagnerrp:

Fallon sucks

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cesman:

wagnerrp: seems he sucked the right .... ;)

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phunyguy:

Conan is hard to replace...

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phunyguy:

so chances are it was going to be a step down regardless

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wagnerrp:

i used to watch conan years ago

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wagnerrp:

im at least going to pick up the next couple shows, under the asumption hes going to do something special with the start of the series

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wagnerrp:

maybe bring back the walker button or something

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phunyguy:

hmmm

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phunyguy:

guess my new backend isnt up

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phunyguy:

seems as though the binaries are compiled so that they will not run on a K6–2/500

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phunyguy:

so i must compile it myself.

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wagnerrp:

it may be due to the lack of SSE instructions

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heyheyhey:

wagnerrp i tried everything i could think of and still errors out on compile

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heyheyhey:

here is log of it

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heyheyhey:

http://pastebin.com/m5a04a5b3

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Dagmar:

o lewk, more weird -O values

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wagnerrp:

do you have a copy installed already?

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Dagmar:

But hey it wasn't like I didn't say non-developers should not attempt to build or use trunk days ago or anything

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sphery:

heyheyhey: are you using --enable-symbol-visibility?

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heyheyhey:

no

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wagnerrp:

no to what?

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Dagmar:

For a good laugh, ask him to tell you the entire ./configure and make commands he used.

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sphery:

yeah, sounds like that may be the problem

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heyheyhey:

configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-proc-opt --enable-firewire --disable-hdhomerun --disable-dbox2 --enable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-pro --disable-xvmc-vld --disable-xvmcw --disable-dvb --disable-iptv --disable-opengl-vsync --disable-hdpvr

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wagnerrp:

do you have a copy already installed?

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heyheyhey:

a older one

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wagnerrp:

my fbsd box gets weird linker errors if i have a previous copy installed

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Dagmar:

Was something changed to make the thing specifically link libXvMCNVIDIA now?

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heyheyhey:

change set 20610

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wagnerrp:

i havent gotten around to figuring out why

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Sloppy rpath afaik

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Dagmar:

A build shouldn't put things in the environment ahead of local objects

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sphery:

wagnerrp: if using some of the options, it does (as those options only work on NVIDIA)

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sphery:

I mean Dagmar ^^^

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Dagmar:

0.21-fixes has never explicitly linked that

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sphery:

heyheyhey: first svn up

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Dagmar:

You're not required to

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heyheyhey:

first svn up?

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Dagmar:

...at least on it's own it's never screwed that up and decided it needed to explicitly link it in

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wagnerrp:

'svn up'... you know what that means right?

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heyheyhey:

update it to newest changeset?

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sphery:

heyheyhey: simplify to: configure --prefix=/usr/local--enable-proc-opt --enable-firewire--enable-xvmc --disable-xvmcw

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sphery:

Dagmar: it does if you use --disable-xvmcw

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wagnerrp:

you mean youve been checking out a new copy of mythtv every time youve wanted to update?

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Dagmar:

So another caution against using superfluous build arguments then

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iamlindoro:

WHAPUSSHHHHHHH

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sphery:

Dagmar: and you use that so you can use certain functionality that only works on nvidia (and I don't remember which functioanilty that is)

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iamlindoro:

That's the sound of my palm meeting my forehead

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phunyguy:

this should take all night

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phunyguy:

compiling on a 500MHz

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Dagmar:

sphery: MIght be a VDPAu thing but it never caused a problem with XvMC

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wagnerrp:

phunyguy: takes about 2 hours for myth and a couple plugins on an 800 P3

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phunyguy:

yeah

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sphery:

phunyguy: that's why they make modern computers so cheap these days :)

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phunyguy:

so im looking at closer to 3

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phunyguy:

nothing is cheaper than free.

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phunyguy:

:P

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phunyguy:

i have no extra money to spend right now and hardware keeps friggin dying on me

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heyheyhey:

on mine it takes 10 mins to compile when it works right

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heyheyhey:

lol

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phunyguy:

well i have faster systems...

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sphery:

I'd wager a $150 new computer is cheaper than free hardware plus tons of your time trying to make something work, then eventually giving up and getting a new $150 computer

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wagnerrp:

thats because youre running antique K6–2s

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phunyguy:

like my Dell Poweredge 1750 (Xeon 3GHz)

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phunyguy:

and my dual core Opteron 1216

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sphery:

Dagmar: it really links to XvMCNVIDIA if you don't use the wrapper

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wagnerrp:

might as well trash that poweredge and replace it with a $150 new computer

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phunyguy:

and my athlon X2 5400B

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sphery:

(and you have nvidia proprietary drivers installed)

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Dagmar:

It didn't here.

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phunyguy:

so i have faster systems...

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Dagmar:

the nVidia library intercepts the calls to XvMC

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wagnerrp:

set up cross-compiling

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wagnerrp:

or just compile directly on the xeon, that should be 32-bit

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phunyguy:

hmm

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phunyguy:

the reason for the compile is i586

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phunyguy:

can i do that?

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phunyguy:

because i will cancel this one right now

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Dagmar:

You can but it would be amusing

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Dagmar:

Did someone go through and rewrite all the checks for the libavcodec bits?

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phunyguy:

i tried to specify --arch at configure and it failed...

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Dagmar:

...because they're both insane and innovatively horrifying

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phunyguy:

can you foils help me out with that? I will be forever in your debt...

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phunyguy:

folks*

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phunyguy:

lol @ foils

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phunyguy:

awesome :)

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Dagmar:

Specify --cpu= only and carefully scrutinize all the output around the section relating to libavcodec

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th1:

is it possible to have myth change the display mode depending on the format of what it's playing?

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Dagmar:

It's the only thing I know of that made those tests not go insane

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phunyguy:

hmm

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Dagmar:

Whenever I specified basically _anything_ other than just that, one or more of the tests in the private copy of that library would screw up

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phunyguy:

who are you talking to Dagmar?

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phunyguy:

me?

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Dagmar:

YOU.

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phunyguy:

OK.

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phunyguy:

thanks.

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phunyguy:

because i didnt touch anything called libavcodec

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phunyguy:

so that confused me

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phunyguy:

so if i specify --cpu and compile it on the Xeon... it should compile for the 500?

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phunyguy:

...just faster?

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Dagmar:

Look under libs

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Dagmar:

If you specify --cpu, there are rather specific bits of the included libavcodec library which will select for different optimizations.

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phunyguy:

ahh

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phunyguy:

i see

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phunyguy:

i will try this out asap.

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Dagmar:

...and don't forget to CAREFULLY read all the makefile output when it gets to the libavcodec parts

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Dagmar:

It's changed how it screws up once before, it may again

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Dagmar:

When I first had issues with it, I had to specify --arch only

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phunyguy:

ok.

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phunyguy:

what am i looking for?

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Dagmar:

One example, there's a difference in execution speed between Intel and AMD chips for the CMOV instruction (whatever TF that does)

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Dagmar:

One of them is natively fast, the other can be done faster by using other instructions, and gcc can work it fine, BUT...

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Dagmar:

The compiler has to know to avoid the slow CMOV

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Dagmar:

One of the fun things is that the tests were so broken they would gte it backwards

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sphery:

th1: under Appearance settings, the section called Video Mode Settings

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phunyguy:

wow

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phunyguy:

well i will hold my breath and hope for the best

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Dagmar:

Yeah I went through that section trying to fix the tests, but the stuf was brought in from ffmpeg libs, and it was broken there, and broken in hideous and unspeakable ways

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phunyguy:

lol

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Dagmar:

Like, some tests would set half of the things they needed to and expect that a different test later on would magically get the other things set correctly

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phunyguy:

configuring now (After installing deps on the Xeon)

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Dagmar:

Some tests were repeated multiple times

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Dagmar:

...each to set different things

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phunyguy:

oh yeah this is much faster

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Dagmar:

Some tests were actual _tests_ instead of heeding what the builder specified (wow this is bad)

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phunyguy:

fans should kick up any second now and make this thing scream bloody murder

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phunyguy:

wait, is there a way to compile this just for backend use?

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th1:

sphery, but that only allows one different mode. I want different modes for HD and SD playback

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phunyguy:

i see frontend stuff in there

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Dagmar:

phunyguy: Not sanely

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phunyguy:

ok.

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phunyguy:

thanks

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Dagmar:

You never want to mix and match those binaries anyway

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phunyguy:

lol this thing is cruisin

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th1:

sphery, or you are using 0.22?

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phunyguy:

yup there went the fans

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phunyguy:

its mad at me

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phunyguy:

i love the little 1U fans

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phunyguy:

they SCREAM

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phunyguy:

ahh sweet – i see the march=i586

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phunyguy:

so that is win

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sphery:

th1: I use -fixes

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basement:

I need a little bit of help still with a BT878 Mythtv setup, if anyone has experience getting the sound thru pci working.. I have found how to start driver.. and see device.. just can't get mythtv to record sound.

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basement:

and audio only work while watching live tv with the thru cable attached... (bad sound lag)

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sphery:

th1: there's a way to make it choose the X modeline that most closely matches the video resolution/frame rate, and I'm pretty sure it's in that area

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sphery:

it's been in Myth since at least 0.18 (though I think it was in Myth when I first started using it back in 0.13 days), so it's definitely not trunk only

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sphery:

th1: just search the list/google for xrandr

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wagnerrp:

basement: that lag is because the audio is playing directly, while the video is playing through a recording

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basement:

ah nice.. ok i can see that. But when I go back to my recordings i have no sound when I play them

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wagnerrp:

thats correct, you are not recording audio

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sphery:

what's with the resurgence in frame grabber usage?

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wagnerrp:

if you were, you would hear two copies of the audio

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basement:

so.. i cannot? Or there is another option for recording the sound? lol

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wagnerrp:

one from the thru cable, and one from the recording

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sphery:

basement: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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basement:

i see that

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basement:

thx reading

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phunyguy:

holy timeout

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phunyguy:

was that just on my end?

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wagnerrp:

timeout? no... netsplit

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phunyguy:

lol

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phunyguy:

whatever you call it, just didnt know if it was just me or not

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wagnerrp:

one of the irc servers disconnected from the others

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phunyguy:

ahh

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basement:

and the lesson goes on :) lol I thought I was close

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sphery:

basement: another option is a nice hardware encoder like a PVR-150... :)

[01:28:00]

basement:

true...

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phunyguy:

I'll sell you one cheap, basement

[01:28:07]

basement:

I will find one now

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basement:

how much?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: thats not an option

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phunyguy:

how much you got?

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basement:

lol

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wagnerrp:

thats the correct course of action

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basement:

ebay :P

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phunyguy:

have fun

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phunyguy:

im still using mine for now

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phunyguy:

but not much longer

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sphery:

basement: if NTSC, $20 + S&H for buy-it-now on ebay

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basement:

cool

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basement:

actually.. lol

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basement:

dunno prices so have to look :P

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phunyguy:

ahh crap – compile error

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sphery:

basement: http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150-F . . . 3A1|294%3A50

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basement:

well.. gotta get to reading about asla or whatever :)

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sphery:

stupid long ebay URI's

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phunyguy:

dvbtypes.h:23:6: error: #error "DVB driver includes with API version 3 not found!"

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phunyguy:

hmm

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phunyguy:

whiskey tango foxtrot

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sphery:

basement: if you're in the US, you can't buy one new (FCC says you can't sell analog tuners now), so ebay is the way to go

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basement:

i'll just come pick it up in greenfield :P

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basement:

actually.. that is probably far from me.. dunno even where it is!

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phunyguy:

anyone know what would cause that compile error?

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basement:

wow FCC..

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momelod:

greetings channel

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phunyguy:

greetings earthling

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phunyguy:

we come from france

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momelod:

:)

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momelod:

im getting very frustrated w/ ivtv DMA timeout errors

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momelod:

can anyone help?

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phunyguy:

narfle the garthok!

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momelod:

phunyguy: u a bot? or human

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phunyguy:

hooman? what's a hooman?

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phunyguy:

I am just full of movie quotes today

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momelod:

lol

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phunyguy:

sorry, dont know enough to help with yoru error

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momelod:

yeah, me neither :P

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basement:

narfle the garthok!!

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basement:

when I get this BT thing set up correctly, I will not need the jumper cable, right?

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wagnerrp:

if your card supports internal audio capture, yes

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wagnerrp:

if not, run the cable through the line-in, and capture off that

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basement:

hum.. i should try to find this out... I hope that it does..

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basement:

but my frontend (on same computer) should have it's Audio output device set to /dev/dsp (onboard sound card).. ?

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basement:

ah, that would probably be the mic in!

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basement:

lol see, i don' tknow enough about this.. going back to the google :)

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sphery:

phunyguy: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19245/tr . . . mp;new=19245

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phunyguy:

not sure how to use a .diff....

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phunyguy:

in all honesty

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phunyguy:

never had to do it

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phunyguy:

oh i see what it does though

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phunyguy:

hmm interesting

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phunyguy:

so... what do i do with this .diff file?

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wagnerrp:

is it a patch?

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wagnerrp:

try 'patch < patchfile'

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phunyguy:

well, spherry just linked me to it

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phunyguy:

i dont know enough about this stuff to know if it is a patch...

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phunyguy:

and i see inside it references trunk/lib/myth.... etc

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phunyguy:

which is not in my source code directory for myth

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phunyguy:

or am i overthinking it?

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wagnerrp:

if you dont already know how to use a patch from previous experience, you shouldnt be using trunk

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phunyguy:

ik not using trunk

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phunyguy:

im*

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phunyguy:

i had an error compiling

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phunyguy:

and spherry sent me a link that i have no clue what to do with

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phunyguy:

-r

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wagnerrp:

oh, just compiling fixes for the other machine

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sphery:

phunyguy: from inside the mythtv directory: patch -Np2 -i <name of diff file>

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wagnerrp:

well in that case... http://www.linuxhq.com/patch-howto.html

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wagnerrp:

the 'p2' just means omit the first two referenced directories

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sphery:

ooohhh... wagnerrp is a fishing instructor!

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sphery:

technically, it means to omit everything before the 2nd "/"

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wagnerrp:

the first two levels, however you want to say it

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sphery:

(i.e. a patch that's "absolute" it would only omit the first directory :)

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sphery:

or a relative-to-current directory patch a -p0 and a -p1 would be the same

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dgs_:

i've got mythtv running on phillips lcd full hd tv. when I run it at 720p, the fonts are crisp and clear, but when I run it at 1080p, the fonts get jagged as though the resolution wasn't quite right. both the tv and x are pretty adamant they're running at 1920x1080 though. any one know what else might be causing this?

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wagnerrp:

oh? never actually used an absolute patch before

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sphery:

I'm only saying that because I was extremely confused by -p until I read somewhere to ignore directories and count only slashes

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phunyguy:

ahh good info

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phunyguy:

i now know how to patch

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, they're hacks that shouldn't ever exist, so that's a good thing :)

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phunyguy:

we will see how this works

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KungFuJesus:

Is there any way to make mythweb's remote plugin more minimo friendly? I get the dreaded unknown module error when browsing to it on my openmoko

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sphery:

KungFuJesus: are you sure the "unknown module" isn't a MythWeb/Apache error?

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KungFuJesus:

it works on other browsers in my house

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sphery:

I.e. if you go to http://<hostname>:<port>/mythwebroot/bob , you get "An unknown module was specified"

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KungFuJesus:

(the ones that seem to be not on my phone

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KungFuJesus:

well I'm navigating to http://hostname/mythwebroot/remote/ which works on other browsers

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sphery:

Yeah, the problem is there's no "lite" template for modules/remote/ --just modules/remote/tmpl/default

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KungFuJesus:

hmm, could I copy over the default and name it "lite"?

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sphery:

so, the fix is either a) change the lite template so there are no links to modules/remote

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sphery:

or b) make a template for it (but b is going to require you to write a server-side component such that the server can run the telnet code to connect to the frontend and submit commands since the lite template is created specifically to not use javascript

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sphery:

or c) don't use the lite template for your moko

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sphery:

I'd vote for c

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KungFuJesus:

how do you force it out of lite. I do like lite for viewing stuff, though

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sphery:

(and if I ever get time to play with my moko again, that's what I'd do :)

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KungFuJesus:

it's very compact

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KungFuJesus:

how do I force it to use the default template?

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sphery:

http://my.mythweb.tld/settings?RESET_TMPL=yes

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sphery:

perhaps?

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KungFuJesus:

one sec, typping urls on here is a pain, I have to hold down for each key, lol

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sphery:

but if you want to stick with lite, then option b would be the right one--how's your PHP?

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phunyguy:

well i guess that patch worked

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KungFuJesus:

eh, I'm more a C programmer than a web programmer

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phunyguy:

it made it past that spot

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sphery:

If you're interested in doing some work on the remote for the non-JS lite template, you should talk with kormoc... He's usually around (though not right now)

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KungFuJesus:

wow that didn't work at all, lol

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KungFuJesus:

brb

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Pontiac:

Oh my... English fail: http://game.uk.stne.net/Main.aspx?wf=81#content

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sphery:

KungFuJesus: I guess it doesn't really do as the README says (reset to "Default", but actually resets to the default for the device), so since the mobile-browser-detection is picking up minimo as mobile, it defaults to Lite

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Pontiac:

Damned thing is, I'm pondering on signing up. heh

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phunyguy:

lol its pontz

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Pontiac:

Moooornin

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KungFuJesus:

sphery: no I think it's trying to use the default template, because I'm getting "fatal errors" about header.php. The header only exists in in the default one

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phunyguy:

LOL

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phunyguy:

SpaceTrek!

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phunyguy:

win.

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phunyguy:

pure win.

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Pontiac:

Doubtful. I've seen graphics better than that in the 80s. :P

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phunyguy:

lol

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phunyguy:

complete star trek ripoff

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KungFuJesus:

man it'd be great to be able to control it from my phone as well as my remote :-p

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sphery:

KungFuJesus: yeah, just looked at the code, RESET_TMPL=lite sets lite and RESET_TMPL=<anything else> sets default

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basement:

I was going thru the http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.ht . . . ooting_Audio and got to the part "mute the line-in then run aplay /dev/dsp" and only hear static

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Pontiac:

KungFuJesus> I'm waiting for about a month before I delve into that myself. I'm gonna see about getting my phone working via BT.

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basement:

does that mean i don't have pci audio passthru? :)

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Pontiac:

LOL! Now THIS is a WIN! http://roflrazzi.com/2009/05/29/celebrity-pic . . . e-not-smart/

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KungFuJesus:

it's already badass to be able to see what's going to record tonight while I'm on the john :-p

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dj_segfault:

Pontiac: Golden

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basement:

haha got it ;)

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Pontiac:

What *I* need to do is figure out how to get the VPN host allow me to connect to it via port 83 and forward traffic to port 80 on the distro machine.

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dj_segfault:

ssh tunnel?

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xris:

KungFuJesus: the "unknown module" is probably because you're stuck in compact theme, which doesn't have a "remote" module.

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Pontiac:

dj> Was hoping not to. Its an extra step. What I'm fighting with is iptables.

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clever:

Pontiac: try DNAT or REDIRECT

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clever:

you can change the dest port with them, and probly the dest ip

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xris:

KungFuJesus: the "remote" stuff only works in default and ipod templates. compact will never get it. another mobile theme might if someone wants to help develop it and validate that it works (or works with the ipod theme)

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dj_segfault:

Pontiac: http://www.ramblingsofasysadmin.com/2006/07/i . . . rection.html

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clever:

exactly what i mentioned:)

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dj_segfault:

Pontiac: Which distro? (sorry, clever, didn't see that) Male Answer Syndrome, and all

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Pontiac:

Ubuntu

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heyheyhey:

sphery i simplafide and all still same error

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dj_segfault:

If you do end up going the ssh tunnel method, Ubuntu has a tool gstm Gnome SSH Tunnel Manager

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sphery:

heyheyhey: and you updated to current?

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fpsdavid:

hi

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heyheyhey:

yes

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sphery:

heyheyhey: if so, I'm out of ideas

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heyheyhey:

20661

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fpsdavid:

i have a HTPC, its running a Mythbuntu and all of a sudden when i decide to use it last week, no audio and no desktop the mythtv frontend program autostarts itself at boot, but if you quit it, all there is is a black background w/ a cursor no taskbar, no icons, no background, no right click menu

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heyheyhey:

it gota be something with xmltvparsel

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Merlin^:

Hiyas

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heyheyhey:

xmltvparser

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sphery:

heyheyhey: -fixes or trunk?

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heyheyhey:

trunk

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Merlin^:

what's the most popular distro to put mythtv on? (My goal is to have a myth server then use a mac mini hooked up to my TV.)

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sphery:

it definitely works as of r20661

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sphery:

so it's something on your system/environment/...

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

pulse audio failures in -fixes

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heyheyhey:

i will try installing xmltv parser

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wagnerrp:

Merlin^: probably LFS

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sphery:

Dagmar: compilation? Youve got [20433] or higher, right?

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basement:

SWEET! Finished :) Thx for all the help guys

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Merlin^:

wagnerrp: oh really? hmm I've never tried that.. I was thinking ubuntu, but apparently I screwed something up in my install because mythtv-setup won't launch

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Dagmar:

Actually yes

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wagnerrp:

'LFS' = linux-from-scratch

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iamlindoro:

!trout wagnerrp sarcasm is wasted on the clueless

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** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a sarcasm is wasted on the clueless trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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sphery:

Merlin^: MythBuntu or MythDora

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wagnerrp:

not something most people would ever want to use

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Dagmar:

I grabbed the source late last week, just now getting around to kicking the build script

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sphery:

Merlin^: if you know Ubuntu, use MythBuntu

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Merlin^:

wagnerrp: yeah I see =)

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Merlin^:

sphery: thanks

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sphery:

Dagmar: yeah, that would be new enough

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wagnerrp:

a first time myth user would probably use one of the pre-packaged installs, like sphery mentioned

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Dagmar:

Since it was like months ago when I last built, I had no mention of pulse. It looks like it *says* it's defaulting to off, but actually doesn't.

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Dagmar:

Yay

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sphery:

Merlin^: http://www.mythbuntu.org/

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Dagmar:

I'm seeing if it can be explicitly disabled now

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Merlin^:

sphery: I was wanting also to have this box do other things, like DNS and other file sharing

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Merlin^:

so as long as doing that won't affect it's ability to be a 'normal' linux box lol

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu is just an ubuntu install with mythtv pre-packaged

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Merlin^:

okay cool

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wagnerrp:

aside from having mythtv installed, its a normal ubuntu box

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sphery:

Merlin^: MythBuntu is regular Ubuntu already configured for Myth. Same repos work on it--they just did the hard stuff for you alread

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sphery:

y

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Dagmar:

shouldn't bother it much

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Merlin^:

thx wagnerrp and sphery

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wagnerrp:

i assume mythdora is the same thing

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fpsdavid:

anyone?

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basement:

it helps i think :)

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Merlin^:

*wanders off to download+install

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Merlin^:

thx again

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sphery:

fpsdavid: sounds like you're running mythfrontend directly in X (no Window Manager), which is an unsupported configuration and really useless to boot

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fpsdavid:

i didnt change anything from default

[02:41:48]

fpsdavid:

it was working like last week

[02:42:06]

sphery:

don't know, then

[02:42:30]

sphery:

but I'd start digging into the scripts that start X/session/mythfrontend

[02:42:40]

fpsdavid:

its a fresh install of Mythbuntu 9.04

[02:42:57]

sphery:

might want to ask in #ubuntu-mythtv , too

[02:43:02]

fpsdavid:

all was working well for a week or so, then when i turned it on a few days ago, no audio, no desktop

[02:43:07]

fpsdavid:

i did, its kinda dead in there though

[02:43:45]

fpsdavid:

mythfrontend starts up just fine (minus audio)

[02:44:02]

basement:

line in muted? lol :(

[02:44:25]

basement:

that was my problem... weird.. :)

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fpsdavid:

i dont think so, i ran alsamixer and everything was set to 100

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phunyguy:

hmm

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phunyguy:

another compile error

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phunyguy:

videooutbase.cpp:1046: error: call of overloaded ‘abs(int)’ is ambiguous

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phunyguy:

does that like 8 times then stops

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dj_segfault:

Hey. I'm rebuilding my server from scratch. Mythtv now works. Mythweb *did* work, but I did something stupid (but I don't know what), and now I get a 404 on /mythweb. Does anyone know the mechanism whereby the mydomain.com/mythweb gets mapped to the directory where the content exists?

[03:13:37]

Pontiac:

Where does the web page exist? /var/www?

[03:13:58]

dj_segfault:

Yeah, docroot is /var/www/html

[03:14:38]

Pontiac:

/var/www/html/mythweb is where the code lives?

[03:15:48]

** Pontiac checks his settings **

[03:16:23]

dj_segfault:

I think I see the problem. /var/www/mythweb -> /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb So I guess I need to alias that to that directory, or create another symlink to /var/www/html/mythweb

[03:17:14]

Pontiac:

On my ubuntu box, I have /etc/apache2/sites-enabled setup to point to /var/www/mythweb

[03:17:15]

dj_segfault:

But I would feel better if someone else could verify how it gets mapped on their system, since /var/www is *never* docroot.

[03:18:11]

Lexridge:

dj: Mine is located in /var/www/html/mythweb.

[03:18:40]

Dagmar:

Since when is it never DocumentRoot?

[03:19:25]

dj_segfault:

docroot is ususally *under* /var/www, like /var/www/html or /var/www/htdocs

[03:19:46]

dj_segfault:

OK, I'll add symlinks and see if it likes that.

[03:19:55]

Pontiac:

Depends on the setup. On a new install for a new web server, I typically delete everything in the /var/www.

[03:20:21]

Pontiac:

But then again, on my home box, what I have done is setup a /var/www/public directory, then symlink what I want in the public directory.

[03:20:22]

Dagmar:

There's no documented requirement that it *not* be /var/www.

[03:21:33]

beta_:

Is the quality of live TV directly related to the hardware it's running on?

[03:21:47]

Dagmar:

Partly.

[03:21:47]

beta_:

Or are there settings somewhere that I've missed?

[03:21:51]

dj_segfault:

Dagmar, you can set documentroot to /tmp if you want, but it would be a stupid thing to do. But most people have other things under /var/www like auth files, etc, so document root is a directory under it.

[03:22:12]

Dagmar:

If you have a horrible tuner card LiveTV (and all TV recorded through it) will probably suck

[03:22:30]

beta_:

I'm comming in on FW from my HD box

[03:22:47]

beta_:

I havne't ever tried HD channels yet :)

[03:22:50]

beta_:

even

[03:23:42]

iamlindoro:

If you're using Firewire, that's the absolute best quality it will ever be

[03:24:23]

dj_segfault:

>:o Symlink didn

[03:24:23]

beta_:

More background is I'm testing this on a 1.25GHz G4 Mac Mini just because it's already right next to the TV. I'm wondering if I move over to a 2.4GHz P4 and put a decent video card in it if I'll see an improvement. On the Mini it's choppy and pixilated

[03:25:01]

dj_segfault:

symlink didn't work. I got a directory listing, then if I click on mythweb.php I get a database setup error.

[03:25:21]

Pontiac:

The tuner is where its at for the most part, but a higher end box and a decent tuner ... mmm.

[03:25:24]

Dagmar:

beta_: You might, for sure you're not getting the mini to handle HD well

[03:26:40]

beta_:

No I havn't even tried since SD channels caused the system load to jump up over 2.5 and ran the CPU at near 100%

[03:26:49]

Pontiac:

I gotta go take out the trash, then go to bed.

[03:26:53]

Pontiac:

Been a long week.

[03:27:08]

Dagmar:

So, I'm a little confused

[03:27:22]

Dagmar:

Are you seriously unable to figure out where to put MythWeb so that Apache can see it?

[03:27:33]

dj_segfault:

Bye, Pontiac

[03:27:51]

dj_segfault:

OK, I see mythweb.conf has '<Directory "/var/www/mythweb/" >' But I don't see how a URL maps to it.

[03:28:24]

beta_:

iamlindoro: I would expect near 1:1 from the firewire interface or would it still not be fast enough? I'd assume it's not a tuner issue since the STB itself is able to display just fine

[03:28:54]

iamlindoro:

beta_, near 1:1 what?

[03:29:03]

beta_:

quality

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iamlindoro:

The STB has a licensed hardware decoder designed by someone with the spec... Open source software has a reverse engineered decoder by someone with only samples

[03:30:03]

iamlindoro:

It's quite likely that the decode on the STB will be much closer to the spec

[03:30:08]

beta_:

Eg, what the tuner puts out the FW interface transfers, no transcoding ect

[03:30:22]

iamlindoro:

it is a direct stream, no manipulation

[03:30:25]

beta_:

Is it not just a MPEG2 stream on the FW interface?

[03:30:33]

Dagmar:

dj_segfault: Well, the simple answer is "it doesn't"

[03:31:02]

Dagmar:

to keep from driving people crazy and just generally simplify stuff, those locations to Apache map to the filesystem directly.

[03:31:06]

iamlindoro:

beta_, Yes, so? The stream Myth and the STB get will be identical, but that's where the similarity ends

[03:31:09]

dj_segfault:

HAH: One thing I think I changed earlier is removed CGI stuff. It looks like the default document may be a .pl file. Maybe that's it.

[03:31:18]

iamlindoro:

beta_, There's still the decode and display process, which diverge significantly

[03:31:37]

Dagmar:

dj_segfault: Keep in mind a lot of this stuff is geared towards using the machine as an _appliance_. There's no need for a cgi-bin directory or any of that

[03:32:04]

beta_:

Ok, so a decent machine with a video card with HW MPEG decode would perform significantly better then the mini having to do it all in software?

[03:32:37]

iamlindoro:

beta_, No

[03:32:48]

iamlindoro:

In linux, the highest quality rendering is done in software

[03:33:15]

iamlindoro:

the two available hardware decode options are fairly intolerant to faults common in broadcast media

[03:33:30]

beta_:

Aye

[03:33:33]

Dagmar:

dj_segfault: Simply leaving /var/www empty and dropping mythweb into it and then setting DocumentRoot to /var/www will "make it go" but generally you're expected to know enough to change the setting in mythweb.conf because it will (rather understandably) be likely different _everywhere_

[03:33:42]

iamlindoro:

Where software decode might give you a perfect image, a slightly damaged stream would render hardware decode mush

[03:35:13]

Dagmar:

Bleh. Looks like I'm going to have to patch around the pulseaudio insanity

[03:35:49]

beta_:

iamlindoro: So how can one improve performance? Raw CPU power?

[03:36:02]

iamlindoro:

Yes

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Dagmar:

We like to phrase it as "MOAR MEGAHURTS"

[03:36:23]

Dagmar:

TEH CODECS, THEY R HUNGREE

[03:36:24]

beta_:

iamlindoro: Ok thanks :)

[03:37:01]

iamlindoro:

The most experienced myth users will tell you that in the limited cases where HW decode works properly, it's OK, but there's no substitute for powerful CPU and properly configured playback profiles

[03:37:02]

Dagmar:

...and OHAI I B IN UR CODEKS STEELIN UR CLOCKSYCLES

[03:37:52]

sphery:

Dagmar: what pulse failure are you getting?

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dj_segfault:

IM IN UR CPU STEELIN UR CYCLES

[03:38:30]

wagnerrp:

thats just so... random

[03:38:34]

Dagmar:

sphery That it's insisting on trying to use it regardless of that the configure test failed and regardless that I've smacked the configure script with a ruler and said in a stern voice, "NO! BAD MONKEY!"

[03:39:20]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: It's lolcats, which I can assure in the future will be hailed as a newer, simplified language for all internet users, much like that Esperanto fad.

[03:39:45]

wagnerrp:

obviously you didnt get the joke

[03:40:36]

wagnerrp:

random... /b/... bleh

[03:40:52]

Dagmar:

Ah

[03:40:57]

Dagmar:

That would be because I don't go to /b/

[03:41:10]

Dagmar:

I have "people" to just refer me to the URLs of the /b/chix

[03:41:19]

wagnerrp:

well /b/ is the home of all that crap, /b/ for random

[03:41:21]

Dagmar:

Much simpler and much less homocidal-mania-inducing

[03:41:38]

wagnerrp:

why they chose /b/ to be the random channel, i have no idea

[03:42:00]

wagnerrp:

maybe the japanese word for random in kanji starts with a 'b'

[03:42:00]

Dagmar:

Mob rule

[03:42:07]

Dagmar:

sphery: http://www.pastebin.ca/1444417

[03:42:33]

Dagmar:

Not that you likely need to be shown the exact madnes, but since I'm using the build system here I'm reasonably sure there's no stale objects causing that

[03:42:53]

Dagmar:

('cuz basically, it demolishes all working directories as the first step)

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mattwj2002:

boy oh boy

[03:43:33]

sphery:

Dagmar: you have an old pulse and you actually need [20433]

[03:43:39]

mattwj2002:

a 21.5 1080p LCD sure looks better than a CRT

[03:43:40]

sphery:

looks like it only went into trunk

[03:44:11]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20433

[03:44:25]

Dagmar:

Oh I have a better answer than that

[03:44:52]

Dagmar:

I have NO pulse audio installed at all

[03:45:22]

wagnerrp:

mattwj2002: thats just because youve never seen an HD tube tv

[03:45:23]

Dagmar:

That's from 20580 fixes by the way

[03:45:36]

mattwj2002:

good point :)

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wagnerrp:

Sony use to make a couple of them years ago

[03:45:54]

wagnerrp:

the image was amazing

[03:46:03]

Dagmar:

So was the price

[03:46:19]

wagnerrp:

i dont recall the price being that bad

[03:46:19]

mattwj2002:

was it 1080p though?

[03:46:28]

wagnerrp:

it was lower than the LCDs/Plasmas of the time

[03:46:40]

wagnerrp:

i believe it was

[03:46:44]

wagnerrp:

saw one in a best buy

[03:46:54]

Dagmar:

...which is to say "less expensive than a used SUV"

[03:47:01]

mattwj2002:

:P

[03:47:21]

mattwj2002:

this is my first lcd display

[03:47:45]

wagnerrp:

here we go... KD-36XS955

[03:47:47]

mattwj2002:

I am very happy with it

[03:47:58]

sphery:

Dagmar: yeah, that patch didn't go into -fixes , but you're saying that you don't have {,/usr{,local}}/lib/pulse/version.h

[03:48:01]

Dagmar:

sphery: Seriously tho I'll track down which bits need to be smacked with a hammer in a day or so

[03:48:28]

wagnerrp:

no, thats not it

[03:48:29]

Dagmar:

sphery: Yep. No pulse here at all. Configure script reports it won't use pulse, but fails there. I passed --disable-audio-pulse and still it fails

[03:48:33]

sphery:

does your configure output show PulseAudio support enabled or disabled?

[03:49:52]

Dagmar:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1444421

[03:49:54]

Dagmar:

Disabled.

[03:50:03]

Dagmar:

...which is why I find it so amusing. ;)

[03:50:19]

Dagmar:

I developed a strange loathing of pulse audio about a month ago for some reason

[03:50:20]

wagnerrp:

KD-34XBR970... native 1080i

[03:50:27]

Dagmar:

I suspect it was from trying to get other things (like GNOME) using it

[03:50:45]

mattwj2002:

that is cool

[03:51:00]

Dagmar:

That machine's never been tainted with it, and since it's a Slackware machine, I just grepped /var/log/packages for "pulse" to be sure

[03:51:09]

sphery:

Dagmar: --enable-symbol-visibility ?

[03:51:16]

wagnerrp:

seems they dont even bother listing contrast ratio on CRTs

[03:51:38]

Dagmar:

sphery: I can try that, but what's that going to solve when the code is doing things it just shouldnt?

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wagnerrp:

190lbs

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sphery:

Dagmar: actually, was asking if you're using that because there were some problems with it in the initial checking

[03:52:06]

sphery:

if you're not using that, don't

[03:52:14]

wagnerrp:

i think my roommate's 36" trinitron weighed about that much

[03:52:14]

pembo13:

is there any way to refresh the program listings from the UI?

[03:52:20]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20431 fixes symbol vis problems

[03:52:32]

pembo13:

i'm seeing advertisments for a program on June 10th that aren't showing up in my listings

[03:52:35]

sphery:

again, trunk only, it seems

[03:52:36]

Dagmar:

loggedcommand configure "./configure --prefix=/usr --cpu=$PKG_ARCH --enable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-opengl --disable-ccache --enable-ivtv --disable-distcc --enable-lirc --enable-mmx --with-bindings=perl,python --enable-opengl-vsync --disable-audio-arts --disable-audio-pulse"

[03:52:43]

wagnerrp:

if you have to refresh the program listings manually, that just means something is broken

[03:53:05]

wagnerrp:

usually you have to go to the command line at that point

[03:53:37]

sphery:

Dagmar: I'd be very interested in the pulse-related stuff in config.log

[03:53:41]

Dagmar:

Okay

[03:54:26]

sphery:

config.err , it seems, in myth

[03:55:26]

dj_segfault:

I was speaking to someone who worked on the docs for pulseaudio last weekend, and they said it was needed because much of alsa was moved into the kernel, but with some API changes. So a wrapper service was needed to handle the changes in API so all the existing programs would work.

[03:56:02]

sphery:

ah, symbol vis stuff did go into -fixes...

[03:56:23]

Dagmar:

OKay, I was going to say I seem to only have one line in config.log heh

[03:57:59]

sphery:

pembo13: likely when you pulled the schedule 2 weeks before June 10th, there was something else scheduled at that time. Then, the schedules changed. You'll get the updated schedule on Jun 9. I.e. Myth downloads tomorrow (+1) and +13 listings.

[03:58:37]

pembo13:

sphery: ok cool... except i wanted to schedule now while i still remember

[03:59:29]

Dagmar:

Whoops. Time to get ready to move some raid arrays around

[03:59:46]

wagnerrp:

whys that?

[04:00:23]

Dagmar:

Because we're going to have the rack they're in rendered into scrap and it probably would be a good idea to get that client's machines out first??

[04:01:05]

sphery:

pembo13: could do a custom rule, title search, or just force it to redownload

[04:01:15]

Dagmar:

I mean, they've got backups, but I think they'd still be a little pissed.

[04:01:23]

heyheyhey:

i wonder if i gota format this os

[04:01:29]

pembo13:

sphery: cool... mythfilldatabase, right?

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[04:02:12]

Dagmar:

Things like this are why my boss takes his little pills.

[04:02:42]

Dagmar:

That and jokes about corsican servers. "Watch! When I drop this 2U, the admin passes out while the server is unharmed!"

[04:03:25]

sphery:

Dagmar: the functions that are being called are supposed to be called whether there's pulse or not. With pulse support, they disable pulse. Without pulse support, they either do nothing or output an error and exit if pulse is running.

[04:03:36]

Dagmar:

Oh joy

[04:03:48]

sphery:

(i.e. "PulseAudio support" is more properly "PulseAudio disabling support"

[04:03:48]

Dagmar:

I'll slap that symbol bit in then

[04:04:06]

sphery:

no, the symbol-visibility thing won't help--for a while I thought it could be causing it (but it's not)

[04:04:09]

Dagmar:

What?

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Dagmar:

So you're saying the configure output that says "no" means it's _not_ disabling PulseAudio support?

[04:04:30]

sphery:

I'm trying to see, though, why you wouldn't have those functions available.

[04:04:55]

sphery:

yeah, "PulseAudio support no" means, "MythTV exits if it detects pulseaudio is running"

[04:05:04]

Dagmar:

Freaky

[04:05:16]

Dagmar:

...but at least not the horrow show I was expecting for a moment there.

[04:05:21]

sphery:

"PulseAudio support yes" means, "MythTV will attempt to disable PulseAudio if it's running."

[04:05:47]

heyheyhey:

dagmar u have any suggestion how i can pass the error

[04:06:29]

Dagmar:

How you can pass what error?

[04:06:43]

heyheyhey:

http://pastebin.com/m5a04a5b3

[04:07:04]

heyheyhey:

xmltvparser.cpp:(.text+0x3178): undefined reference to `vtable for ProgInfo'

[04:07:04]

heyheyhey:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

[04:07:09]

Dagmar:

heyheyhey: Remove your existing Myth install before you try to build

[04:07:15]

Dagmar:

...or stop using trunk.

[04:07:25]

Dagmar:

I actually *do* know what I'm doing and I don't use trunk.

[04:07:36]

heyheyhey:

i see

[04:07:42]

sphery:

Dagmar: my best guess is you need a make clean (or distclean)

[04:07:50]

Dagmar:

sphery: Nope.

[04:07:55]

sphery:

I'm positive the code is right in -fixes

[04:08:17]

Dagmar:

This is probably Yet Another Makefile issue

[04:08:30]

Dagmar:

sphery: I'm doing this under the dropline build system.

[04:08:33]

Dagmar:

No make clean needed ever

[04:08:53]

Dagmar:

...because like I said a moment ago, the first thing it does is clears out any stale working directories and untars new source.

[04:09:05]

Dagmar:

It solves a lot of weird problems with unclean source that way

[04:09:34]

sphery:

Dagmar: if not that, then you need an: rm /usr/{,local/}include/mythtv/*.h /usr/{,local/}lib/libmyth*

[04:09:36]

Dagmar:

Lemme make certain there wasn't anything insane, like me getting someone object files from the SVN server or somethign

[04:09:41]

Dagmar:

sphery: SCrew that.

[04:09:44]

Dagmar:

I build _packages_

[04:09:51]

Dagmar:

I can just removepkg them for a reason

[04:09:55]

sphery:

Dagmar: which would be the broken, "uses installed headers/libs before new ones"

[04:10:08]

Dagmar:

Yeah, that's an issue I'm going to chase down and try to fix

[04:10:14]

Dagmar:

It'll just take some hours

[04:10:26]

Dagmar:

It shouldn't do that, it's bad practice.

[04:10:36]

sphery:

yeah, it shouldn't

[04:10:45]

Dagmar:

It's also heinously hard to freaking find at times when someone goofs that way

[04:11:06]

sphery:

and the discussion I've heard seems to indicate it's a Qt thing and no one has been able to figure out how to work around it, but if you can a lot of people will be happy.

[04:11:17]

Dagmar:

!@#!

[04:11:36]

Dagmar:

I'd have been happier (well, maybe) if you'd not reminded me of something I wrote in one of my little spiral-bounds about that

[04:11:37]

sphery:

don't know for sure if it's Qt or just Qt3, though

[04:11:45]

Dagmar:

It's Qt3

[04:12:22]

sphery:

if so, then on the bright side, it won't be a problem RSN (when 0.22 is released--given some license for the meaning of RSN)

[04:12:26]

Dagmar:

Dunno if it's in 4 or not but I did notice a few dumbass things in Qt3 when I was looking to solve some other problems (like why the hell you can't compile it in /usr/src or really anywhere under /usr)

[04:12:45]

Dagmar:

Basically, Qt3 screws you

[04:12:53]

Dagmar:

So... no point in looking further into that then

[04:13:08]

Dagmar:

Lemme shut down the backend and kick the build script again. It should work if that's what was breaking things.

[04:13:52]

sphery:

good luck

[04:25:14]

iamlindoro:

Hrm, wonder whether it's worth following up w/ the guy who wants a myth installer in my area

[04:25:28]

iamlindoro:

I could certainly use some extra dough

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sphery:

depends on how much post-install support is expected

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iamlindoro:

agreed

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iamlindoro:

I certainly wouldn't bankroll hardware purchases

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iamlindoro:

I'd probably propose a free consult, with free hardware purchase recommendations, then a contracted backend and network setup, and a per-frontend setup fee, w/ some small number of support hours included in that

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sphery:

wow... sounds all official

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sphery:

iamlindoro: if you do build it, make sure he comes onto this channel so I can tell him what a great deal he got (as I /know/ he won't be paying the rate he should for someone with your skills)

[04:39:06]

wagnerrp:

you spelled it wrong, it has a z

[04:39:16]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Heh, nice thing to say, thanks :)

[04:39:33]

iamlindoro:

sphery, He'll wonder how I managed to log in another screenname from FL

[04:39:37]

sphery:

oh, sorry, zkills

[04:39:58]

sphery:

it's that onion-router

[04:40:28]

iamlindoro:

Speaking of router, I've got that fancy Asus coming tomorrow, should be a fun distraction at work

[04:40:49]

sphery:

you taking it to work or hooking it to the home network and shelling in?

[04:41:16]

iamlindoro:

Delivering to work

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sphery:

cool

[04:42:30]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, I actually don't have any n clients but I guess it leaves the option open

[04:42:54]

sphery:

which one did you get?

[04:43:08]

iamlindoro:

erm.. have to check, something ending in W I think

[04:43:26]

iamlindoro:

WL-500W

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sphery:

does the n actually work as n in Open/dd-wrt?

[04:43:50]

iamlindoro:

*believe* so

[04:44:13]

mzb:

http://oldwiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs(2f)Har . . . )WL500W.html

[04:44:52]

mzb:

you _might_ find that 2.6 works ok on it by now

[04:45:12]

mzb:

(better iptables&qos iirc)

[04:45:20]

jroysdon:

Check the dd-wrt hardware database. It does have some N stuff in it.

[04:45:29]

iamlindoro:

The current install docs imply things work pretty well

[04:45:41]

iamlindoro:

jroysdon, It shows as operational in the hardware DB

[04:46:13]

jroysdon:

iamlindro – yup, looks good

[04:46:21]

jroysdon:

lindoro even

[04:46:30]

jroysdon:

nice router, 8mb of flash

[04:46:42]

iamlindoro:

yeah, plenty of room for the mega firmware

[04:47:00]

sphery:

mzb: I thought the 2.6 kernel didn't allow wireless with broadcom-based systems?

[04:47:43]

sphery:

yeah, it says it works well with kamikaze (the current OpenWRT)

[04:47:52]

wagnerrp:

so if 8mb is nice, whats 4GB?

[04:47:52]

sphery:

but they show using the 2.4 kernel

[04:48:07]

sphery:

which has 4GB?

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wagnerrp:

mine

[04:48:59]

wagnerrp:

just a little embedded Geode system

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wagnerrp:

havent gotten around to putting a wireless chip in it yet

[04:49:26]

iamlindoro:

Heh, then that 4 GB comes with some sacrifices

[04:49:27]

sphery:

cool

[04:49:56]

wagnerrp:

maybe money

[04:50:06]

iamlindoro:

size, power, and form factor?

[04:50:08]

wagnerrp:

but the 4GB means i dont have to make sacrifices on programming

[04:50:18]

wagnerrp:

power, not really

[04:50:27]

wagnerrp:

ive not actually checked it, but its running at a few W

[04:50:36]

wagnerrp:

and is the same size as your standard wireless router

[04:50:37]

iamlindoro:

You think a geode + wireless card takes less power than a purpose-built router?

[04:51:16]

wagnerrp:

im sure when you get down to systems running a couple W, the brick uses more power than the hardware

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Dagmar:

sphery: Yep. Evil evil Qt rpath bullshit alrigh

[04:52:01]

Dagmar:

t

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wagnerrp:

basically, the chip is sinkless, the brick heats up, the chip doesnt

[04:53:24]

clever:

wagnerrp: if you ran it directly off a dc->dc supply, you may save more power

[04:53:41]

wagnerrp:

and where would i get this DC source?

[04:53:50]

clever:

solar, wind, batterys

[04:54:09]

clever:

once you get down to such low power levels, you can allmost run the thing for free

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iamlindoro:

See, wagnerrp? There's no disagreement clever's stupidity can't make seem small ;)

[04:54:24]

wagnerrp:

how about i just tap the phoneline for power

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clever:

that too, i found a webpage about that just last night:P

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wagnerrp:

you do understand why that is a BAD thing.... right?

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clever:

yes

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clever:

if you draw too much current, it can falsely detect that as the phone being off the hook, which will get it stuck as a busy signal

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wagnerrp:

NO!

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wagnerrp:

you drawing current isnt a problem

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clever:

ive had that happen when the basement flooded a little and shorted out(and melted) a plug on the floor

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wagnerrp:

your and your 10 friends drawing current isnt a problem

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clever:

its all the power that the phone co is loosing?

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wagnerrp:

but everyone in your neighborhood starts doing it, and the system burns to a crisp

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

while it does work, its not right to do it

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wagnerrp:

even a small fraction of the neighborhood does it, and the system fails

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wagnerrp:

its designed to trigger ringers on phones, something that only happens a couple times simultaneously on the system

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clever:

the example i saw mentioned using it as an emergency light when the power goes out

[05:02:10]

clever:

showed how to hook a led lamp into the phone line

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wagnerrp:

yeah, bad idea

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clever:

just keep a damn flash light in the house

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clever:

there are plenty of battery-less ones out there now

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wagnerrp:

no such thing as a battery-less flashlight

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wagnerrp:

unless it runs off a spring

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clever:

there are ones with a sliding magnet

[05:03:41]

clever:

which charges a pair of watch batterys, that you never have to change

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wagnerrp:

yeah, and you jack off the flashlight to charge the battery

[05:03:47]

clever:

just a crude generator

[05:03:51]

clever:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

so it has a battery

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clever:

technicaly, it has batterys, but you never have to change them

[05:04:12]

wagnerrp:

so it has a battery

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sphery:

Dagmar: glad you got it

[05:08:16]

wagnerrp:

looks like nvidia and broadcom are trying to bring flash acceleration to their graphics chips

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wagnerrp:

but its a good year away

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wagnerrp:

hopefully by that time, we might have html5 with integrated video support

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iamlindoro:

hopefully by that time someone will have released the planet's first flash video worth watching

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wagnerrp:

well conan ran across the US to make it to LA in time to do the show

[05:16:07]

Lexridge:

wagnerrp: lol! conan is a running GOD! Just watched it. I thought he looked very uncomfortable throughout the show, imo.

[05:16:20]

clever:

wagnerrp: i think half the problem with flash videos, is that they cant use Xv, so they use more cpu

[05:16:45]

wagnerrp:

clever: thats not the problem at all, playback on windows is just as pathetically slow

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clever:

but can it use hardware overlay under windows?

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wagnerrp:

i play a flash video in flash, i use a good chunk of processor

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wagnerrp:

i grab said flash video out of my firefox cache, and playback takes a couple percent

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wagnerrp:

flash provides no hardware acceleration whatsoever

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sphery:

how does it use less after grabbing it out of the cache?

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sphery:

are you also transcoding?

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wagnerrp:

if i play it back using a normal video player

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sphery:

hmmm, so those video players use Xv with flash?

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wagnerrp:

no, they use Xv and play the flv files natively, rather than using flash

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sphery:

I meant flash as the file type, not the flash player

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sphery:

but cool

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wagnerrp:

mplayer will do flash (so i assume myth does as well), ffdshow on windows handles it

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clever:

but mplayer can do it with alot less cpu usage

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wagnerrp:

thats what im saying, the adobe flash video player is absolutely pathetic

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clever:

it doesnt need any hardware aid, the software just needs work

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wagnerrp:

without scaling, its about an order of magnitude more intensive

[05:23:28]

wagnerrp:

trying to go fullscreen on a WQXGA screen will bring any computer to its knees

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wagnerrp:

the 3GHz C2s at work manage about 4fps full screen

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clever:

heck, even the idle animations at the end of a youtube video can max the cpu

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clever:

get 5 tabs open with videos that are STOPED and your stuck at 100%

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wagnerrp:

well thats an animation, nothing to do with video playback

[05:24:22]

clever:

nothing is even moving half the time

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clever:

and its just minor fading, it would allmost go faster if you stored it as a video

[05:32:12]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, Mass Effect 2 looks goooood too

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wagnerrp:

conan pulled an 'oprah

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wagnerrp:

he ran past a car dealership, to buy the audience crap from a $0.99 store

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mzb:

sphery: I'm running 2.6 on a WL500GP

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mzb:

root@OpenWrt:~# uname -r

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mzb:

2.6.25.17

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mzb:

wagnerrp: the nice thing about v1 of the WL500GP is that it has a mini-PCI socket and dual USB2.0 ... I'm guessing when there's good support for N it would be easy enough to put an N card in

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wagnerrp:

so its like the original WRTs

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wagnerrp:

the WRTv1 had a socketed wireless card, rather than soldered in

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wagnerrp:

basically, a full system lets me run full applications, rather than the striped down alternates used on dd/openwrt

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wagnerrp:

i can run BIND and ISC-DHCP rather than dnsmasq

[06:22:39]

wagnerrp:

i can run cacti and mrtg without worring about perl memory usage

[06:23:19]

wagnerrp:

i can run a vpn server, and run a client tunnel to link up to campus (again, memory constraints)

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jon_:

anyone able to offer some help regarding mythfilldatabase --file usage?

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laga:

maybe if you ask a real question :)

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jonau:

laga: I thought I would check first since I usually ask and nobody knows :)

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jonau:

It seems the mythfilldatabase command works since when I check, the programs are listed in the database, but they don't show up on my guide? I have a channel 100 set for that xmltvid, but nothing shows?

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laga:

did you specific the correct source id?

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jonau:

yeah, I only have one working source, which is 1

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jonau:

i assume that is the videosource sourceid, correct?

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laga:

yep

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jonau:

laga: Maybe I am going about this the wrong way? Let me explain what I am trying to achieve. I have a satellite feed via settop box into av input of the tuner card. This means I can watch it, but can't record as there is no EPG and therefore has no start and stop times or program details to record. How do people normally overcome this problem?

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jonau:

I can get a csv for the one channel that I am interested in and can convert it to xmltv. It validates okay and seems to import, but does not show in the channel of the guide?

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laga:

do you have a way to change channels on the settop box?

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jonau:

laga: yeah

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jonau:

It comes with a remote

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laga:

okay. do your channels have an xmltv id assigned?

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jonau:

All my standard tv channels work fine, and I created an optional channel specifically for this one satellite channel. The xmltvid in the xmltv file matches that in the tv_grab_au channel list, if that helps?

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laga:

and does it match the one in the xmltv file you generated from that CSV source?

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jonau:

laga: yeah

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laga:

and do you have that video input assigned to the AV input of your capture card?

[08:28:41]

jonau:

no, but the guide is not tied to a specific input is it?

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jonau:

laga: easy enough to do though, as I have a separate videosource to try that with as well.

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laga:

if you have not assigned a video source to an input, it wont show up AFAIK

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jonau:

laga: I have a video source assigned, but there is no channel information as there is no guide

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TUplink:

im having a prob with mythvideo.... when i open a vid it plays the audio and the screen stays in the mythvideo screen only way i can get it to unfreze is to kill mplayer is there maybe some flaw where mplayer isnt showing up just running in the background

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jonau:

laga: The problem seems to be that the only list of grabbers I can use in my videosource is standard commercial tv, and not a custom xmltv list. How do I define channels for my av input feed?

[08:41:33]

jonau:

laga: OK. I have set a channel in the channel editor to my satellite video source feed. This is not a real channel as such though, so is there anything else I need to consider?

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TUplink:

n/m.. i changed the player settings command to play from -vo xv to -vo x11

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jonau:

laga: well, it now seems I have 2 of the same channel listed in the guide, one for the first source, and one for the second source, but still nothing displayed in either of them?

[08:50:56]

laga:

jonau: sorry, running out of ideas – need to hunt down some breakfast first

[08:51:41]

jonau:

np. I have no more ideas, which is why I will be waiting here :)

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lipatden:

Hi all

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lipatden:

I'm looking for info in cards that can support DVB-T for pay channels (ie with a CI module)

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laga:

jonau: in case you're waiting for me – i've got work now, i'm sorry

[09:57:13]

jonau:

laga: Just trying out a few things. One last question I hope will be simple – how do I call up the EPG for a specific videosource? Both seem to bring up the same guide, or do the channels from both show up in the one EPG?

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** laga scratches head **

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laga:

i can tell you what you need, and then you can check to see if you have that stuff

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jonau:

sure!

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laga:

you have two different inputs. one is cable or whatever, one is the sat receiver over AV input. thus, you will need to make two video sources in mythtv-setup. one video source holds the EPG and the tuning information for your cable tuner, the other one holds that one channel for satellite

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laga:

then you connect one video source to the tuner of your card

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laga:

and the other one to the satellite input

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laga:

and don't forget to use the correct source id when using mythfilldatabase --file

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jonau:

laga: All exactly as I have done so far :(

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laga:

okay, and each channel has the correct channel id assigned?

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jonau:

yep

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jonau:

The av videosource channel I defined has the option to use listing grayed out though in the channel definitions? This seems to relate to the grabber defined in the videosource, but any grabber wants to load standard tv channels and not what I define?

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mzb:

jonau: what are you using as your grabber?

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jonau:

mzb: The only two that seemed to make sense (in the video source) was tv_grab_au or tv_grab_combined, but both of these want to configure tv channels from Australia, whereas I want to define my own channels and populate them with xmltv data

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mzb:

so you have DVB and satellite, and using standard grabber on 0.21-fixes?

[10:49:44]

mzb:

(I'm .tas.au)

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laga:

jonau: you can also select "no grabber"

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mzb:

if you want to retain your sanity I suggest you get hold of shepherd

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jonau:

laga: Yeah, I tried that too without any success. The only difference seemed to be in the channel where it uses the xmltvid. You can add the xmltvid, but the option before it is greyed out?

[10:51:19]

mzb:

the only issue there is that you will have to use different users for each video source

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jonau:

mzb: I use shepherd. The standard tv channels are not an issue, it is the free satellite ones which don't have any EIT

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mzb:

yep

[10:52:19]

mzb:

separate users for each video source (step 1)

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jonau:

separate users?

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mzb:

eg: usually you would run shepherd as the "mythtv" user, and allow shepherd to run hourly with the "--daily" option

[10:54:02]

mzb:

however, if you have more than one source, you will need to create another user (eg: "mythtvSAT" ) and run shepherd for source "2"

[10:54:27]

mzb:

this also allows you to perform some funny tricks with timezone correction

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mzb:

(TZ)

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mzb:

are you using C1 FTA (encrypted) or D1 FTA (unencrypted?)

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mzb:

?

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jonau:

mzb: So you have a different user for each video source?

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mzb:

yes

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jonau:

how does shepherd fit into this setup when it is not an official au channel?

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jonau:

It is optus d2 using the FTA channels

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mzb:

shepherd is just a grabber, but it's not capable of multiple sources

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mzb:

ok

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mzb:

eg: I have video source 1 = analogue, video source 2 = digital (DVB), video source 3 = satellite (D1 FTA)

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mzb:

for _each_state_ (kinda) I have a user that grabs the FTA data for that region, adjusts the timezone and then inserts into the mythtv database

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jonau:

How is your satellite connected into your mythtv setup though? Through a DVB-S card or via AV?

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mzb:

1 x DVB-S card

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mzb:

doesn't really matter how it gets there

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jonau:

mzb: ok. I am willing to try anything at the moment :)

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mzb:

I'll paste a script (if I can find it;)

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jonau:

so you run shepherd 3 times, one for each source? How do you use the guide? Is it one guide containing all the details, or do you see three different guides?

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mzb:

err ... actually no. I run shepherd once each for analogue and digital (dvb) and then once for each region (satellite)

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mzb:

http://openpaste.org/en/14615/

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mzb:

it's one guide with everything adjusted to my local timezone

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mzb:

eg: even though "Doctor Who" is on at 7:30pm in all states, that time == 9:30pm locally if the show is in WA

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mzb:

the script shown also automatically compensates for daylight savings

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mzb:

(assuming the guide data is correct in the first place;))

[11:06:26]

mzb:

this is the *only* way of using shepherd with multiple sources (afaik). Suggest you join the shepherd mailing list.

[11:06:42]

jonau:

I see the line /usr/local/bin/mythfilldatabase --update --file 3 "$OUTPUT" 2>&1

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mzb:

yep

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jonau:

Where are the other sources for 2 and 1, or is that done differently?

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mzb:

Now that the mailing list has moved you might even find a nice long thread about "multiple sources"

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mzb:

they are run under different users!

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jonau:

I use that form of line to update my guide, but it is not showing, that is why I am trying to work out what is wrong

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jonau:

mzb: Hmmmm... okay. So I take it they produce a different output file (/home/user/.shepherd/output.xmltv), but it is all merged into the mythconverg db?

[11:09:43]

mzb:

yes ... each channel has a different (aka custom) xmltv id

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mzb:

eg. abc2.wa.shepherd.au

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mzb:

once you get your head around the concept it's quite simple, and although a bit of a fiddle to setup it's rock solid

[11:11:47]

mzb:

ps: good idea to stagger your crontab's ;)

[11:12:21]

mzb:

(with so few channels each instance only takes about 3 minutes per day)

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jonau:

mzb: Well so far I think it is all setup similar to yours, just the concept of different users for different sources is where I am out here. I am trying that now to see what it does

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mzb:

ok ... can assure you that the method I've described is the *only* way you can get shepherd to do multiple sources.

[11:13:33]

mzb:

strongly recommend joining the shepherd mailing list

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mzb:

gtg .. good luck

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jonau:

thanks

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jonau:

mzb: thank you! I simply ran the same command I had been running under a different user, and it is all working as expected!! That should be an FAQ somewhere.

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PaulWay:

Now that's freaking weird – I can use the mysql client to connect to the server but I cannot get a database response using the mythfrontend client even with the same IP address.

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PaulWay:

Ah-hah – something's obliterated my QMYSQL driver.

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PaulWay:

Yay :-(

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JEDIDIAH__:

it sounds like your mysql client and mythfrontend are using different logins

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AlmightyOatmeal:

if someone deletes a symlinked recording via smb/cifs, will that automatically delete the original recording?

[14:50:37]

GreyFoxx:

no, just the symlink

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i was afraid of that

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iamlindoro:

"Thank you for the information, I'm sorry it's not what I hoped for"

[15:06:32]

iamlindoro:

There, got that for him

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GreyFoxx:

I ended up backing from 185.18.14 to 180.60 ... Anytime I used the VDPAU renderer all subsequent XVideo rendering is blue shifted :)

[15:08:57]

GreyFoxx:

Wonder if others see the same problems

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: I note that when using VDPAU, I need to adjust the picture control Hue to 100% to look correct

[15:10:22]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: But when switching back to Xv, I have to go back into picture controls and set back to 50%

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GreyFoxx:

With 180.60 both XV and VDPAU output look the same colour, but with the latest driver Xv is way off. I didn't think to play with the hue setting though

[15:13:31]

iamlindoro:

Yes, I also noticed it when moving to the 185.xx series

[15:14:06]

sphery:

iamlindoro: did you know this: http://ideas.4brad.com/

[15:14:42]

sphery:

see link-through to Brad's home page, which has a MythTV section--is that the same one from the -users list

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Wow, EFF Chair?

[15:15:24]

sphery:

it does have TV Wish on there

[15:15:25]

sphery:

yeah

[15:15:33]

sphery:

No wonder he got too busy for the list

[15:15:43]

iamlindoro:

Heh, you keep confusing your Brads

[15:15:52]

iamlindoro:

DerManoulian ran off, not Templeton

[15:16:04]

sphery:

oh

[15:16:06]

iamlindoro:

And the former because the list is people almost exclusively with dickweeds

[15:16:10]

iamlindoro:

peopled

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sphery:

couldn't remember which

[15:16:36]

sphery:

but we haven't seen Templeton in quite some time, and now I think I know why

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sphery:

I just say his name and EFF Board Chairman in an EFF newletter and thought, I wonder if that could be the same one that was on the list...

[15:19:16]

sphery:

saw that is

[15:20:08]

iamlindoro:

"I also have a blog called Brad Ideas"... sounds a lot like "www.creedthoughts.gov.www/creedthoughts"

[15:20:16]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

if you're interested in the article about Brad's latest struggles with copyright: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/05/when-fair-use-fairly

[15:23:22]

iamlindoro:

Can't recall if he got involved in the Boxe debate of '09

[15:23:25]

iamlindoro:

boxee

[15:24:29]

iamlindoro:

Or "The Boxee wars"

[15:24:31]

iamlindoro:

or

[15:24:36]

iamlindoro:

"The Boxee Rebellion"

[15:25:45]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv and click on "Show user's posts" to see his posts

[15:26:14]

sphery:

but he's never said boxee in any of his e-mails

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sphery:

I stand corrected--he has been on the list recently--Apr 29 last post

[15:28:22]

sphery:

So, are you going to be the first to mention his title in a reply to one of his posts (or a reply to a reply...) on the -users list?

[15:29:37]

iamlindoro:

Nope

[15:29:56]

iamlindoro:

People deserve their privacy, even if it *is* out there on the interwes

[15:29:58]

iamlindoro:

webs

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sphery:

makes sense

[15:30:53]

sphery:

heh: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6559#comment:6

[15:31:26]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[15:31:32]

** iamlindoro fights the urge to respond "You must be new here." **

[15:31:57]

sphery:

wow, #6591 (MSqlQuery::exec() return values) might actually get applied before needing 100 updates...

[15:32:07]

sphery:

*fingers crossed*

[15:33:13]

sphery:

heh, another wondering about timelines: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/384317#384317

[15:35:20]

sphery:

Worst wiki article name, ever: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Highly_Technical_Details

[15:36:18]

iamlindoro:

Could have been worse, could have been Etcetera, Errata, and Various Sundry Facts

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

"Video tuner cards with hardware-accelerated compression that are affordable are somewhat new to the personal computer market, but they're absolutely wonderful now that they're here."

[15:37:03]

sphery:

Should be Highly Outdated Details

[15:37:46]

sphery:

Just thought it should have more info about what details are contained.

[15:38:06]

iamlindoro:

I definitely want to link everyone with two week old tickets complaining about getting them fixed to my many-months-old tickets with actual working, tested new features

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sphery:

The problem with the wiki, though, is that everything gets outdated and there's no cleaning crew coming along behind.

[15:38:23]

iamlindoro:

But then I would just get linked in turn to patches which are years old, so who needs that arms rave

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iamlindoro:

race

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sphery:

I think reynaldo should get commit privs for translations... He could be the new Oscar.

[15:42:50]

janneg:

sphery: yeah, I'll try apply them today

[15:43:22]

sphery:

janneg: yeah, was just thinking that you have enough to do already, so it would be nice if he were able to do them himself

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Think he means your MySQL query fixes

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** iamlindoro fades back into the drapes **

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sphery:

oh...

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sphery:

janneg: cool... If that's the case, I'll see about working on the mythplugins one--only 115 locations and none "important" (none rely on lastError() and ignore exec() return value)

[15:45:20]

sphery:

but don't feel like you have to wait for the mythplugins part :)

[15:45:56]

janneg:

btw I accidently committed the warn_unused_result attribute for msqlquery::exec

[15:46:22]

sphery:

iamlindoro: buy 2 get one "DVD's" (DVD's and Blu-Ray) at B&N with coupon code C3A8D8E (on any disc with the buy-2 logo)

[15:46:44]

janneg:

sphery: I've started looking at the first patch

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wagnerrp:

barnes and noble? they sell movies?

[15:47:01]

sphery:

yeah, that's what I was using to find them. If we don't want to check all of them, there were quite a few where I just added logging.

[15:47:38]

sphery:

the first, the "important" one should be applied, though--they rely on lastError() and ignore exec(), so we'll get spurious error messages in the logs without that one applied

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iamlindoro:

B&N Used to be astonishingly overpriced for movies, is that still true?

[15:47:44]

sphery:

could well be

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sphery:

might be that b2g1 makes them "normally" priced for other stores

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iamlindoro:

yeah, exactly

[15:49:06]

meshe:

just got all 5 seasons of Quantum Leap for $15/season at BB on friday

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iamlindoro:

Oh boy

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meshe:

lol

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sphery:

not a lot of choice, either: http://video.barnesandnoble.com/collection.as . . . nkid=1405877

[15:49:57]

sphery:

that's the blu-ray's that qualify

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iamlindoro:

meshe: A lesser fan wouldn't have gotten it ;)

[15:50:37]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, everything on that that I care to own, I own already

[15:50:38]

meshe:

sticker prices were $45 S1, $50 S[234], $55 S5

[15:51:01]

sphery:

guess the show got better in the latter seasons :)

[15:51:25]

meshe:

i went in to grab S3 of 4400 and ended up buying all of quantum leap

[15:52:50]

iamlindoro:

sphery: The Reynaldo thing is especially true when you consider he is an ffmpeg dev, and their standards for anything getting committed

[15:52:54]

wagnerrp:

there was an actress for ziggy?

[15:53:05]

wagnerrp:

i thought ziggy just made boop/beep noises

[15:53:19]

iamlindoro:

sphery: but AFAICT Chutt simply began to ignore him after telling him he could have commit access

[15:53:40]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: There was a two-episode arc where he got home temporarily

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iamlindoro:

Where the computer was voiced if I recall

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wagnerrp:

but shes listed for 38 episodes

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iamlindoro:

It's entirely likely that I'm failing to remember some other instances, that's just what I remember

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wagnerrp:

and AFAIR, the boop/beeping handheld thing Calavicci carried was in every episode

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, I think Chutt's been busy

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iamlindoro:

Mmm

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janneg:

sphery: patch one committed

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meshe:

Captain Archer, ziggy says that there's a 99.7% chance that you've screwed up the timeline

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GreyFoxx:

I loved that show

[15:57:58]

sphery:

janneg: thanks... That's really the only cases that could have undesired effects, so if we get rid of the warning, feel free to ignore the other 2.

[15:58:02]

GreyFoxx:

I still see Bakula and think Sam not Archer

[15:58:04]

iamlindoro:

Trouble was they got more and more into the "stunt leaping" the later it got

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janneg:

sphery: libmythtv patch is already stale

[15:58:13]

sphery:

wow...

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iamlindoro:

Women, celebrities, Lee Harvey Oswald, etc.

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sphery:

janneg: I can fix it for you if you like

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meshe:

GreyFoxx: yeah, i think of him as Sam too

[15:58:46]

meshe:

and i've still never seen the final episode

[15:58:47]

janneg:

sphery: it's daniel's programdata.cpp change

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iamlindoro:

meshe: The final episode was the ultimate stunt leap

[15:59:07]

janneg:

sphery: I'll commit all but programdata.cpp

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meshe:

i hear that they actually ended it well, i'm looking forward to it

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iamlindoro:

meshe: I don't know I was always unhappy with it, YMMV

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meshe:

and no spoilers please

[15:59:44]

iamlindoro:

(The ending, not the show)

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iamlindoro:

Of course, I wouldn't

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meshe:

we are hooked on the 4400 right now and i hear they ended it with a huge cliffhanger

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GreyFoxx:

I'm in the middle of a Stargate rewatch. up to Season 4 of SG1, then gonna hop to Atlantis before SG Universe startts

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GreyFoxx:

Recently did yet anothe rFarscape marathon :)

[16:03:17]

GreyFoxx:

That I would love to get in widescreen (and or hd)

[16:03:36]

wagnerrp:

farscape was just too... weird

[16:03:41]

meshe:

we're bouncing between Red Dwarf, The 4400 and Quantum Leap

[16:03:43]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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wagnerrp:

of course it had nothing on Lexx

[16:04:17]

GreyFoxx:

Lexx was cool :)

[16:04:27]

wagnerrp:

Lexx was disturbed

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iamlindoro:

With the Angelina-Jolie looking chick, right?

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GreyFoxx:

Plus the fact that I met the cast several times (they filmed it here and we hosted Xenia Seeburgs site) was cool

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iamlindoro:

s/-/ /

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Ava Haberman at first, replaced by Xenia Seeburg

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: all three of 'em?

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GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: and the guests heh

[16:05:40]

iamlindoro:

Although I guess she looks more like Octomom, really

[16:05:41]

GreyFoxx:

I use to hang out with a few people that worked on the sets of various shows and movies

[16:06:46]

janneg:

sphery: "Note that the last error for this query is reset when exec() is called." from http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qsqlquery.html#exec

[16:08:54]

GreyFoxx:

haha tv_play.cpp is too big to view in trac

[16:08:56]

sphery:

janneg: yeah, but the thing is that the MySQL driver for Qt actually attempts to do most (all?) queries using PreparedStatements--even if you don't ask it to. It submits it as a prepared statement, and if it gets an error, it tries again as a not prepared statement. When it does, it leaves the lastError() from the unsuccessful prepared-statement execution.

[16:09:11]

sphery:

it's actually an annoying design for the driver, IMHO

[16:09:34]

sphery:

even if they reset the lastError(), it's still doing something you didn't ask it to do.

[16:10:01]

sphery:

janneg: BTW, it looks like danielk fixed all the calls in programdata.cpp, so you can just take that whole section out of the patch.

[16:10:58]

GreyFoxx:

Is it possible to search changesets ? I'm looking for any changeset that in anyway referenced certain keybwords

[16:11:09]

GreyFoxx:

other than the manual search that is :)

[16:11:29]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: if you go to the search page in trac, it will allow you to unselect wiki and tickets

[16:11:42]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm

[16:11:54]

GreyFoxx:

Thank you for leading the blind to water :)

[16:12:59]

sphery:

it's still not ideal as it doesn't allow much in the way of search smarts--like grouping with quotes or + or – or ...

[16:13:22]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm I just want to find all changesets that reference in anyway "TeardownPlayer"

[16:13:31]

janneg:

sphery: any reaon why you left the isActive calls? they should be equivalent

[16:13:32]

sphery:

that may work

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh It's just changeset descriptions

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GreyFoxx:

not the diffs themselves

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sphery:

janneg: only because I wasn't positive that it's unnecessary

[16:14:32]

sphery:

I took out those locations where size() was used but didn't add anything, but I left the isActive() stuff

[16:14:35]

sphery:

I can fix if you like

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: git log -STeardownPlayer

[16:15:50]

janneg:

I'll paste the results in a minute

[16:15:58]

GreyFoxx:

Thanks! :)

[16:16:08]

sphery:

janneg: only 4 locations in the libmythtv patch. want an updated patch with them removed?

[16:16:29]

sphery:

(I just edited the patch)

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sphery:

oops... that was the wrong patch (that was the progdata portion)

[16:17:47]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: only three commits http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1445030

[16:18:18]

janneg:

revision 60, 491, 19417

[16:18:20]

sphery:

yeah, lot of locations in libmythtv

[16:18:32]

janneg:

the last one is the mythtv-vid merge

[16:20:10]

janneg:

I don't have mythtv-vid as branch in git but you'll see the important changes only there

[16:22:54]

janneg:

sphery: I'll edit the patch

[16:26:23]

sphery:

janneg: I have it edited...

[16:26:29]

sphery:

just testing

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GreyFoxx:

Thanks :)

[16:28:29]

sphery:

janneg: Uploaded a new one that removes isActive() and the programdata stuff to the ticket

[16:28:39]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . thtv.3.patch

[16:29:55]

sphery:

janneg: anyway, for the description of the bug (Qt4.5+ only), you can go to http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/task-tracker and enter 248078 for bug id. For some reason, the "direct" URI won't work unless you've previously done a search.

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sphery:

janneg: also uploaded an updated programs patch: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . rams.2.patch

[16:40:42]

sphery:

after applying those patches that remove unnecessary isActive() calls from the locations where we didn't check exec() return values, we still have 300 locations where we use isActive() (probably all unnecessary, too)

[16:45:29]

janneg:

sphery: I'll already removed a couple of isActive calls, but getting rid of all unnecessary is very, very low priority

[16:45:48]

sphery:

yeah, just found it interesting.

[16:46:02]

sphery:

I don't think it's really worth hunting them down.

[16:46:09]

janneg:

but if the lines are touched there's no need to keep them

[16:46:31]

sphery:

yeah, makes sense

[16:46:58]

sphery:

I'll check for both unnecessary isActive() and size() calls when doing the plugins patch, too

[16:47:00]

janneg:

sphery: applied my on own edited patch, blame me if something broke

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sphery:

janneg: I'm sure you did just as well as I did (or better :)

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mtnbkr:

can someone offer me a quick (perhaps mysql query) to remove ALL known recording from the database? I lost a drive, so the database is pointing at a bunch of missing files. Thanks

[16:48:01]

sphery:

mtnbkr: the best bet is to make a bunch of empty files and then delete through the frontend or MythWeb

[16:48:13]

iamlindoro:

mtnbkr: You can just use the myth.find_orphans.pl script to fix it

[16:48:24]

iamlindoro:

or sphery's suggestion, that's fine too

[16:48:33]

mtnbkr:

sphery: I have (had) 1TB of recordings. That method will take me all day. :)

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mtnbkr:

iamlindoro: ahh k checking.

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sphery:

mtnbkr: echo "SELECT CONCAT('touch ', basename) FROM recorded;" | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg > touch_files

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clever:

no need for echo, mysql has a -e

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mtnbkr:

iamlindoro: arg... 0 valid recordings, 644 missing recordings not fixed I had 644 recordings... looks like that script WILL fix my problem THANKS

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sphery:

then cut the top line off the file, go to the directory that should contain the recordings (i.e. one directory in your Default storage group), then bash /path/to/touch_files

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mtnbkr:

bye bye Family guy... Bye Bye Reno 911 lol

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iamlindoro:

mtnbkr: no problem-- make sure to read the help, but --dodbdelete is likely the argument you want

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sphery:

mtnbkr: then go to mythfrontend, Watch Recordings, All Programs, MENU button, Add this group to playlist, MENU, Playlist Options, Delete, then "Yes" or "Yes and allow re-record"

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mtnbkr:

iamlindoro: yep... Already done. THANKS for the fast help guys

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** iamlindoro wonders why sphery is angry at find_orphans ;) **

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** sphery trusts the orphans script as far as he can throw it **

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iamlindoro:

It's just bits, you can throw it prety far

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iamlindoro:

pretty

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sphery:

no, can't throw it at all--unless I print it to paper

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** meshe burns it to a cd and mails a frisbee to sphery **

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mtnbkr:

the "zeros" are light, but the "ones" can be pretty heavy

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clever:

burn it to a cd, and it can fly pretty far

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janneg:

I think the orphans script is ok, but someone should remove the --do*delete switches

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sphery:

anyway, the find orphans script is a legacy script written before storage groups, not at all maintained, and never converted to use the perl bindings

[16:57:42]

clever:

i find that it goes nuts if you do use storage groups

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sphery:

so I'm not a fan--if it were converted, I wouldn't have a problem with it, though (but I'd rather just put the functionality into the backend/frontend, so I'm not converting it)

[16:57:54]

clever:

all the junk on another group is 'missing' and it wants to delete it

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sphery:

and I do plan to put the functionality in the backend/frontend

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mtnbkr:

I only had one storage group here so it seemed to work flawlessly for my minor (well, if you call losing 644 shows, 1TB of data minor) issue. :)

[16:59:00]

sphery:

I also think that it doesn't delete properly...

[16:59:08]

sphery:

I think it just deletes from recorded and leaves orphans.

[16:59:20]

sphery:

so in your case, TRUNCATE TABLE recorded; would have worked the same

[16:59:49]

sphery:

eventually the orphans will go away, but I keep my DB clean all the time

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clever:

also, what would it actualy do with the shows next time, rerecord?

[17:00:10]

sphery:

yeah, with my approach (touch/playlist/delete), you can specify whether to allow re-record or not

[17:00:26]

clever:

but have to manualy delete and rerecord each item

[17:00:45]

clever:

which causes a reschedule, which takes 30+ seconds on my craptastic hardware:P

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sphery:

yep, deletes from recorded, leaves all entries in oldrecorded untouched (so you can't re-record)

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clever:

:(

[17:01:27]

sphery:

all this discussion just makes me hate the script even more

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iamlindoro:

so write it in to housekeeping ;)

[17:02:06]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I am putting into mythfrontend/backend

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iamlindoro:

When will it be done, bearing in mind that it's 1:02 for you now? ;)

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sphery:

It can't be done in housekeeping--only orphaned files can be done in housekeeping. Orphaned DB entries have to be done manually because of the potential for offline storage.

[17:03:22]

sphery:

So, you'll be able to send a backend protocol command or XML request to get a list of all orphaned DB entries. THen you can act on them as desired (i.e. FORCE_DELETE_RECORDING and FORGET_RECORDING)

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sphery:

The orphaned files will just appear in a "Found Programs" recgroup.

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sphery:

but it won't be done until at least 3:00... ;)

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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meshe:

2009?

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sphery:

meshe: I'm not sure about that part

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meshe:

:)

[17:04:55]

sphery:

Actually, I think I'm going to take out some of my frustration toward the script on the road... Time for my run.

[17:05:00]

meshe:

why did i come to work today?

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mtnbkr:

sphery, does this mean that after I ran that scrit I still need to do something to allow mythtv to re-record the shows that I lost and then deleted from the database?

[17:05:07]

laga:

meshe: just go home.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Ugh, if you go being active today I'll have to go for a bike ride + run and then where will we be?

[17:05:40]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Just sit down so I can be lazy today

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mtnbkr:

lol

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sphery:

iamlindoro: you do have the "lost a toe last night" excuse...

[17:06:06]

sphery:

I've used that one about 12 times so far.

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meshe:

i took yesterday of on bereavement leave, but for some reason i came to work today

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Oh? Pretty soon you'll run out of toes at that rate

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sphery:

heh

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laga:

meshe: sorry to hear that :(

[17:07:34]

meshe:

thanks laga, it was my grandpa, he was 89

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sphery:

Don't worry, though, iamlindoro. You don't have to do much activity today. I have a cold that's kicking my b***, so I'm doing a short run.

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laga:

meh. wish i had time for a ride :(

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sphery:

heh... "no.no.cox.net" That's not very good for their advertising

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sphery:

should have "no.no.comcase.net", too

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sphery:

comcast

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I set a goal for 200 miles between run/swim/bike this week, but I'm already feeling "meh" about it

[17:12:34]

sphery:

With this cold, I'll be lucky to get 18miles this week.

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sphery:

and this time, I'm really going.

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wagnerrp:

didnt JVA do a HDPVR backport?

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abqjp:

wagnerrp, not originally, although he may be "supporting" it now.

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wagnerrp:

ok, i knew someone did, i thought it was him

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wagnerrp:

i just found it odd his request on the -users list for a 1080i sample recording

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abqjp:

I think it was MrGandolf (or whatever his alias is)

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iamlindoro:

Yes, MrGandalf wrote it, JYA includes it

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wagnerrp:

i was going to say check the wiki, but it seems those are only 720p

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wagnerrp:

either way, HDPVR is well defined, VDPAU is well defined

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wagnerrp:

you should just be able to take someone's word that it works

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iamlindoro:

HD-PVR material works great on VDPAU, but I haven't tried whacked-out forks either

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wagnerrp:

i need to figure out WTF is wrong with my (windows) desktop

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wagnerrp:

i used to do 35–55MB/s transfers over samba, but now im lucky to get 10

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sid3windr:

mouse ate cable, went to 100M? ;)

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meshe:

what version of windows?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I get mixed results with HDPVR material and vdpau.

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JEDIDIAH__:

a newer copy of trunk would probably help.

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JEDIDIAH__:

HDPVR material works fine with non-vdpau frontends (just too slow sometimes)

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jpabq:

I have not tried HD-PVR with VDPAU in a few months. Last time I tried, it worked fine as long as I avoided using timestretch. Since my frontend is fast enough to do max-bitrate HD-PVR without VDPAU, the only reason I would want to use VDPAU is for timestretch. Unfortunately, VDPAU got the video way out of sync with the audio, when I tried to use timestretch.

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JEDIDIAH__:

my interest is in low profile frontends. I try to avoid the franken-pc look.

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

Can someone help me get my hauppauge 250 working, I tried it with myththv, vlc, and tvtime, doesn't work

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

is anyone here?

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sphery:

mib_gd2kp0k2: people are here, but you're far more likely to get a response if you ask a question that's not so open-ended

[18:58:54]

sphery:

i.e. explain the specific errors you're encountering

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sphery:

then people will be likely to contribute information to solve that particular problem, then rinse and repeat

[18:59:38]

sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: franken-pc's work great as long as you keep them in another room/run cables through the wall

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sphery:

(and without any of the low-profile/low-resource/underpowered frontend problems)

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JEDIDIAH__:

I would rather not not destroy my walls. Plus you don't always have a floorplan that allows for something like that.

[19:02:40]

JEDIDIAH__:

House 280K

[19:02:47]

JEDIDIAH__:

HTPC $600

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

sphery: well the problem is in mythtv – i press tv or w.e. and nothing happens, in tvtime – it can't see an input says no input, vlc if i manually put the device in because it doesnt have it in list – it's white static

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

sphery: so it's definitly not app problem

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

i used the card on windows little over week ago so it's not a problem with card

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JEDIDIAH__:

when debugging a card, it is best to work the problem outside of myth.

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: the way I see it: spackling compound: $2/4oz, plaster of paris: $5/lb, or if you really mess up, wallboard: $20/sheet

[19:06:15]

JEDIDIAH__:

something like cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg should generate a file you can play in xine or mplayer.

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

JEDIDIAH__: done it :p all it does is play the white static i mentioned

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JEDIDIAH__:

that's assuming a simple "line of sight"... and that you don't destroy anything else in the process.

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sphery:

yeah, use the cat approach for hardware video cards

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JEDIDIAH__:

once you have static, try to tune in different channels or hook up something like a VCR.

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sphery:

and if you have a frame grabber (i.e. not a hardware encoder card--which is what I meant when I said hardware video card), I'd recommend getting a hardware encoder

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JEDIDIAH__:

a file full of static is actually a degree of progress.

[19:08:15]

sphery:

mib_gd2kp0k2: it sounds like you may be using the wrong frequency table or you just haven't tuned a channel, yet

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sphery:

mib_gd2kp0k2: what capture card, anyway?

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

JEDIDIAH__: see the thing is I have a tv tuner box so all I need to do is get it in auxilary or line u know what i mean because it's connected with an S-video plug

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sphery:

if it's an ivtv-based on (like PVR-150), then use ivtv-tune to tune a channel

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sphery:

if it's a frame grabber, get an ivtv-based card, instead :)

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

sphery: it's a Hauppauge 250 i beleieve

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sphery:

cool, so ivtv-based

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

yeah I checked websites and everything and saw it was compatible that's why im amazed at why it's not working

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sphery:

mib_gd2kp0k2: one of the best "how to get a Hauppauge PVR-x50 working" guides is (the outdated and focused on Fedora) http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fc6myth.php#capture

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sphery:

but if you ignore the fedora stuff and just concentrate on the how to test that it's working part, it's good

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sphery:

if you find it works outside of Myth, then you have your Myth config broken and need to do http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

the video sources portion, at minimum, but I'd recommend doing both the capture cards and the video sources portions

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GreyFoxx:

yay a popcorn hour just showed up at my office.

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GreyFoxx:

I love new toys

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lots of butter, please! (Well, imitation butter!)

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

[ 13.280307] ivtv0: Initialized card #0: Hauppauge WinTV PVR-250

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

ok cool

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

:D

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

now i just need to see how i can change the input

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J-e-f-f-A:

mib_gd2kp0k2: mythtv-setup is your friend... if you haven't been in there, then it ain't gonna work within myth...

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

any idea how i can change the input i mean I've found the input i need

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

well id like to try it out of mythtv first

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J-e-f-f-A:

mib_gd2kp0k2: The pages that sphery linked answer your questions ^^

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Guest93779:

What causes a recording of 1/2 hour to show up as 37 minutes?

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mib_gd2kp0k2:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm looking, can't find how to change the source to use S-video instead of like composite

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J-e-f-f-A:

Guest93779: You didn't set it up to start 2 mins early and end 5 mins late, did you?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mib_gd2kp0k2: It's on Jared's page – trust me, I setup a few backends with that page 'in the day'... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mib

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J-e-f-f-A:

mib_gd2kp0k2: Look at the "v4l2-ctl" commands...

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Guest93779:

J-e-f-f-A, No, and as I watch the recording in progress, the time was precisely kept. It was only after the recording completed that it changed from appearing to be a 29:56 recording to a 37 minute recording. (commercial detection and transcoding jobs are off)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Guest11870: I dunno – I don't see that issue on my 0.21-fixes setup. Are you running trunk perhaps?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Guest93779: oops ^^^

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Guest93779:

I'm using 21-fixes also (gentoo -svn ebuilds).

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Guest93779:

I think I may have a clue though.... Perhaps I may be having commercial detection performed by the masterbacked.....

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Guest93779:

And there could be some problem with that changing timecode or something... so I'll look a little deeper into before I can actually report something useful :)

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aarcane:

is there some tool I can use in mythtv or on linux to calibrate my television for optimum picture, or at least a set of test images available I can use ? I can't find anything decent on google :(

[19:30:02]

javatexan:

wow, has anyone else noticed that their are no dvds these days that play in mythtv without some goofing around....very frustrating. :(

[19:30:17]

sphery:

Guest11870: there's an issue with updating the seek table when a recording-in-progress finishes while being watched... Just exit (saving bookmark) and re-enter.

[19:31:03]

sphery:

Guest11870: if it's not right after exit/re-entry, it's because of the shortcut Myth is taking in determining the recording length (which assumes constant framerate, but is not always the case in the wild)

[19:31:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: a few secs too late... 93779 left about the same time you hit return...

[19:31:23]

sphery:

oopss... too many guests

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe

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sphery:

sorry for the beeping, 11870

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: The only reason I noticed is that I did the same thing a few lines above! ;-)

[19:33:15]

sphery:

heh, yeah, I see

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sphery:

guess if he comes back, I can repeat, but the hard part will be recognizing him...

[19:34:39]

** JEDIDIAH__ is ripping DVDs constantly without trouble. **

[19:34:47]

JEDIDIAH__:

...don't use myth for it though (mplayer)

[19:36:47]

javatexan:

well that is what i end up doing.. :)... just **wish** i could just play it. :)

[19:37:16]

JEDIDIAH__:

Disney cured me of that inclination long ago.

[19:37:18]

JEDIDIAH__:

'-)

[19:38:41]

JEDIDIAH__:

...on the subject of crappy build quality of DVDs... I can't imagine the typical n00b being in a good position to deal with these DVD sets that like to all use the same name for every disk in the unlikely even that real jukeboxes become cheap and plentiful

[19:39:09]

kormoc:

they'll just buy new better jukebox disks!

[19:39:33]

JEDIDIAH__:

that assumes the lazy publisher will go to the trouble of remastering stuff.

[19:40:31]

JEDIDIAH__:

one recent acquisition had typos in the disk names

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JEDIDIAH__:

in one set, half were right and the other half were borked.

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javatexan:

lol...yep

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aarcane:

anyone? tools to help adjust the monitor ?

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javatexan:

JEDIDIAH: are you ripping on linux? I had to go to windows for it to work consistently....what are you using

[19:47:58]

javatexan:

if you don't mind my asking

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** JEDIDIAH__ rips with mplayer **

[19:48:19]

JEDIDIAH__:

I have a small post-it-note with the real problems.

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JEDIDIAH__:

sometimes there's an issue with disk speed, or a dying drive or bad media.

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JEDIDIAH__:

perhaps the dumpstream option in mplayer sidesteps a lot of the usual attempts of publishers to screw with dvd drives treating the disk as "data".

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javatexan:

ah

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javatexan:

i will have to try that tonight when I get home

[19:53:05]

javatexan:

I never thought about doing it that way....duh

[19:53:43]

javatexan:

sometimes you get too used to solving all problems with a particular type of tool and don't think about others...

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wagnerrp:

apparently some man in washington in on trial for having sex with his dogs

[20:02:33]

wagnerrp:

he was arrested after a couple of his furry friends witnessed him doing so

[20:02:39]

kormoc:

but the ban we put in place three years ago!

[20:02:42]

** kormoc is shocked **

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wagnerrp:

seems even the furries draw the line at some point

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kormoc:

or they were just jealous

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meshe:

i'm sure most forries draw the line way before that

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meshe:

*furries

[20:04:29]

wagnerrp:

sounds like the fan in my laptop is starting to give out

[20:07:08]

wagnerrp:

might as well take it apart and clean it

[20:07:12]

wagnerrp:

its been about 2 years

[20:18:17]

Dibblah:

Vacuum cleaner.

[20:18:22]

Dibblah:

On the outlet.

[20:18:34]

Dibblah:

It'll spin the fan up and remove all the dust.

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wagnerrp:

it will also overspeed it, and probably destroy an already failing fan

[20:19:08]

Dibblah:

Of course, you have to take static precautions – Since wind of that velocity will cause significant charge.

[20:19:13]

Dibblah:

Nah.

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wagnerrp:

this thing has the nicest heatsink surface ive ever seen

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wagnerrp:

its a mirrored finish

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iamlindoro:

So you can do your makeup in the heatsink?

[20:55:52]

JEDIDIAH__:

does it give off light too?

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kormoc:

della!

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wagnerrp:

i could if my face were about an inch wide

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wagnerrp:

well i hear no sound... but then the fan isnt running either

[21:01:16]

wagnerrp:

i cant tell if thats a bad thing yet

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meshe:

start up a compile ;)

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wagnerrp:

its at 60C and rising

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kormoc:

60C and no fan is bad imho

[21:03:06]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what the active trip point is

[21:04:09]

wagnerrp:

70C, still rising

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iamlindoro:

in my pants

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JEDIDIAH__:

what no smoke rising from this thing yet?

[21:05:05]

JEDIDIAH__:

got a fire extinguisher or a box of arm & hammer handy?

[21:05:24]

wagnerrp:

70C, still rising

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wagnerrp:

wrong window...

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wagnerrp:

well its up to 75C, fan is running, but it seems to be in low power mode

[21:06:22]

** iamlindoro wonders how many channels wagnerrp is informing :) **

[21:06:47]

kormoc:

No more then 6 I'd guess

[21:06:58]

wagnerrp:

no... i hit 'up, enter' to check /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature

[21:07:08]

wagnerrp:

only i did it in xchat, rather than xterm

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adamjseed:

Hello,

[21:16:15]

adamjseed:

Does anyone know why BBC HD channel on my mythtv is stop/start?

[21:16:30]

adamjseed:

the stream is jittery

[21:17:21]

wagnerrp:

are you doing software decoding?

[21:17:28]

wagnerrp:

what speed is your processor?

[21:18:00]

RDV_Linux:

Some of the SciFi fans may be interested in this web site that keeps track of SF/Fantasy TV Series and their start dates. For example I just noticed that the series Virtuality has its pilot moved from July 4th to June 26th. http://community.netflix.com/group/wormholext . . . -start-dates

[21:19:05]

adamjseed:

its a core 2 duo and a i dont know about software decode how do i find out?

[21:19:51]

wagnerrp:

what clockrate? go into your recordings folder, run

[21:19:59]

wagnerrp:

'ffmpeg -i <filename>

[21:20:08]

wagnerrp:

', and pastebin the results

[21:21:09]

iamlindoro:

It's BBC HD, it's going be be 19ish mbit h.264

[21:21:16]

adamjseed:

sorry its a celeron dual core E1200 775 1.6ghz

[21:21:23]

iamlindoro:

in that case, not a chance

[21:21:36]

iamlindoro:

That machine is *way* too underpowered for BBC-HD

[21:21:46]

adamjseed:

wagnerrp whare is the recordings folder?

[21:21:49]

wagnerrp:

figure that chip will do maybe 6–7mbps per core

[21:22:07]

wagnerrp:

and if the stream is 19mbps, you just need moar powa

[21:22:26]

iamlindoro:

with beastly encoding options last time I looked, too

[21:22:34]

adamjseed:

i have had smooth playback in kaffeine....

[21:22:42]

** LanUser wishes BBC would broadcast OTA in NA **

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iamlindoro:

Then it'd be called "ABC", and they do!

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wagnerrp:

what have they picked up besides LOM?

[21:23:44]

LanUser:

ABC is not Scottish so it's CRAP!

[21:23:48]

wagnerrp:

NBC took The Office

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adamjseed:

would the hardware decode help anything?

[21:24:05]

adamjseed:

i have got a nvidia 9400

[21:24:13]

wagnerrp:

i guess ABC did Whose Line Is It

[21:24:33]

wagnerrp:

adamjseed: if you use trunk, you can use your video card (VDPAU) to decode that stream

[21:24:45]

wagnerrp:

but thats not a recommendation to use trunk

[21:25:16]

LanUser:

I want Skins, Doctor Who and Torchwood

[21:25:18]

wagnerrp:

not unless youre comfortable building codes and working around bugs on your own

[21:25:27]

jduggan:

how is the vdpau support these days, ive not followed any myth stuff for ages since my system has worked fine for the last 12months or so ;O

[21:25:28]

iamlindoro:

LanUser: We have BBC America HD coming

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jduggan:

back when i was following the list there were quite a few issues

[21:25:42]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: broadcast?

[21:25:54]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Not OTA, but broadcast, yes

[21:25:59]

LanUser:

iamlindoro: say wha?! OTA ATSC?

[21:26:09]

adamjseed:

no im quite new to linux so ill stay away from that, taken me over a month to get my setup working

[21:26:12]

iamlindoro:

cable is still a broadcast medium

[21:26:22]

adamjseed:

so really... its get a new cpu

[21:26:25]

wagnerrp:

bleh

[21:26:30]

adamjseed:

what do you think would do it?

[21:26:50]

wagnerrp:

mid 2GHz or better would handle it

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LanUser:

I'd imagine it wouldn't be clear QAM on cable though

[21:26:53]

wagnerrp:

or anything quad

[21:27:16]

wagnerrp:

get a mainline chip, not a celeron or pentium dual core

[21:27:18]

iamlindoro:

LanUser: Very unlikely that it would be, right

[21:27:40]

iamlindoro:

LanUser: Now, Lucky folks will likely be able to capture via firewire, and anyone should manage it with an HD-PVR

[21:28:37]

wagnerrp:

the local PBS stations play a bit of BBC fare

[21:29:02]

wagnerrp:

i remember seeing old dr who reruns on there years back

[21:29:56]

wagnerrp:

they were reruns of the 4th doctor

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iamlindoro:

I am really anxious about the new doctor

[21:30:43]

iamlindoro:

But I was the same when Eccleston left, so I'll keep an open mind

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jduggan:

heh

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wagnerrp:

looks like SciFi plays them occasinally (not OTA obviously)

[21:33:38]

wagnerrp:

i remember they ran a marathon about a year ago

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wagnerrp:

so my foot is currently in my mouth

[21:36:34]

wagnerrp:

dailymotion has a flashless html5 video player demo

[21:36:51]

wagnerrp:

uses most of a core for DVD resolution playback

[21:37:22]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Only FF 3.5 beta supports it so far, right?

[21:37:28]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[21:37:34]

iamlindoro:

I wouldn't expect that the be representative of the final solution

[21:38:05]

iamlindoro:

They've mostly just grabbed libav* and not done anything to optimize it yet AFAIK, there's been some noise on the ffmpeg list, think it only really went in in the last few weks

[21:38:07]

iamlindoro:

weeks

[21:38:32]

iamlindoro:

I'd tentatively expect it to get better

[21:38:37]

wagnerrp:

well the dailymotion demo is just apng

[21:38:43]

wagnerrp:

which *should* be fairly trivial to decode

[21:39:36]

iamlindoro:

Come to think of it, the messages I was thinking of referring to Chrome/Chromium, so ignore me

[21:39:58]

iamlindoro:

though I'd still imagine irefox intends to use libav* for the video stuff

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laga:

i'm wondering how often *that* will crash firefox ;)

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Arlong:

anyone willing to help me setup up my mythtv... im having no luck so far =(

[21:48:05]

kormoc:

Asking specific questions will likely get them answered, assuming they're not covered in the docs

[21:48:15]

iamlindoro:

or wiki

[21:48:20]

iamlindoro:

or users list archives

[21:48:22]

iamlindoro:

;)

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wagnerrp:

wiki, sure... but mailing list archives are a bit much to expect

[21:48:56]

wagnerrp:

some are not strong with the google-fu

[21:49:09]

iamlindoro:

some need to learn

[21:49:31]

iamlindoro:

anyway, the users list archives are linked on the troubleshooting section of mythtv.org IIRC

[21:49:33]

kormoc:

all I have to say on the subject is, 'Tunafish'.

[21:49:43]

Arlong:

i have tried just about every version of mythtv distro and one 1 even comes close to working and thats only the linux part

[21:49:58]

Arlong:

only*

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kormoc:

that's not a very specific question...

[21:51:22]

iamlindoro:

Arlong: As kormoc mentioned, you *really* need to ask specific questions if you are to have any hope of getting answers-- getting a walkthrough from the channel is fairly unlikely

[21:55:09]

Arlong:

oh well back to linux chat...

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iamlindoro:

...uh...

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** kormoc shrugs **

[21:55:37]

iamlindoro:

Did he really just leave because we asked him to ask specific questions?

[21:55:44]

kormoc:

Yes

[21:55:52]

iamlindoro:

weak

[21:56:58]

jamiem:

wth

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Arlong:

no i dont know linux.... and havent even got that to boot corectly let alone the mythtv part

[21:58:26]

Arlong:

but atleast in linux chat they did try to help

[21:58:37]

Arlong:

weak my .....

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laga:

weak^2

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iamlindoro:

weak again

[21:59:08]

iamlindoro:

And if it don't boot, it ain't my problem

[21:59:20]

** iamlindoro waves at log-checkers **

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iamlindoro:

If he were still here, I'd probably explain that we don't troubleshoot distros, and try to aim him at the correct channel for whatever myth distro he's trying to run, but alas...

[22:04:47]

** laga probably just wouldn't care. **

[22:05:31]

iamlindoro:

I just got yelled at for saying that someone's program was broken because they need to run it as root

[22:05:55]

** laga has been debugging c++ code for 3 hours now **

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meshe:

what's it do that it needs to run as root?

[22:07:40]

iamlindoro:

I probably shouldn't have exclaimed, "That's not linux's fault, that's just that someone doesn't know anything about linux"

[22:08:05]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Access USB ports (just needed adding to the right group)

[22:08:12]

meshe:

heh

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gbee:

fwiw BBC HD is up around 22 Mbps these days

[22:11:16]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Ooh, I'm jealous

[22:11:46]

meshe:

wonder how that would look on my 720p tv ;)

[22:12:28]

sphery:

gbee: and that's 22Mbps H.264?

[22:13:34]

gbee:

sphery: aye, well 21.5 – of which maybe 750k is audio/subtitles

[22:14:23]

gbee:

two audio tracks, 256Kb/s stereo mp2 and 384Kb/s AC3

[22:15:34]

gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/1445477

[22:16:21]

sphery:

nice... 22Mbps MPEG-2 would be amazing. 22Mbps H.264 is incredible.

[22:17:06]

meshe:

is that ota?

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gbee:

FTA DVB-S, due to launch OTA in the next couple of years, but no-one knows what the bitrate will be like for that, I suspect it won't be as high

[22:19:50]

gbee:

it's also on Cable, but not FTA, just FTV and I've no idea of the bitrates

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gbee:

actually I suppose nothing is FTV on cable, you don't pay the bills and you get cut off – it's only a technicality that you aren't actually paying for BBC stuff as part of your cable subs

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meshe:

heh

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meshe:

my cable is included in my rent

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meshe:

for now anyway

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Exposure:

anyone know a good source for themes, besides the wiki?

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Exposure:

most I can find don't work with recent release

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iamlindoro:

There hasn't been a recent release

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iamlindoro:

what version of myth are you running, and which themes aren't working?

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iamlindoro:

Trunk includes the one and only actual MythUI theme (Terra) and the podged-together leftovers of the legacy themes

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iamlindoro:

other people have themes in progress that are not public yet

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iamlindoro:

So I hear

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iamlindoro:

Also, feel free to use the new MythUI documentation to write a theme, everyone will sing your praises

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gbee:

if you mean 0.21, which themes have you tried/know about?

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phunyguy:

hmm @ brownout

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phunyguy:

had my microwave going and all of a sudden this god awful screech came from it as the light inside was dimming to almost nothing

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phunyguy:

thought something was wrong with the microwave but 2 computers were also off.

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** Ponty wants a C64 theme. **

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wagnerrp:

usually computers are fairly good at weathering brownouts

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wagnerrp:

so did Exposure just ask and leave?

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wagnerrp:

or has he accepted the answer and just not responded

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Exposure:

oh sorry I just wasn't paying attention ;)

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Ponty:

So can *ANYONE* explain why when I connect to my VPN server, I can't ping/ssh/telnet my HTPC, yet, from my main machine (Of which I'm hooked to via LogMeIn ATM) I can telnet/ssh/ping the HTPC?

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wagnerrp:

are you talking about trunk, or 0.21?

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Exposure:

trunk

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wagnerrp:

yeah, no themes publicly available for trunk except the Terra theme that comes with it

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Exposure:

most unofficial themes get missing themeinfo.xml error

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wagnerrp:

there was a complete overhaul of the UI code between 0.21 and current

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wagnerrp:

old themes will not run without considerable work, period

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Exposure:

ok

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Ponty:

... theres a new release?

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wagnerrp:

there is trunk

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wagnerrp:

so no, no new release

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Ponty:

Ahh.

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Ponty:

I'm so close to trying to compile from source, but, the machine is working so well ATM I don't wanna sneeze wrong to break it. heh

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iamlindoro:

Which means there's still time for people to write some themes before .22

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iamlindoro:

get to work

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** Ponty starts to think about that C64 theme. **

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wagnerrp:

well theres not much you can do to break updating from 0.21 to 0.21-fixes

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iamlindoro:

If you expect that trunk will work better for a production machine than .21, that would be a baaaaaaad idea

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laga:

never touch a running system *shrug*

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wagnerrp:

most binary distros use some 0.21-fixes revision rather than tha 0.21 release

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wagnerrp:

but yeah, unless its broken or theres some new feature you want, dont touch it

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Ponty:

There a place to tell what version is running?

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iamlindoro:

mythbackend --version

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wagnerrp:

myth<anything> --version

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Ponty:

Fixez.

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wagnerrp:

so you VPN into your network, and access your desktop, from which you can access your mythbox... but you cannot VPN into the network and access the mythbox directly?

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iamlindoro:

hrm?

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wagnerrp:

Ponty's OT issue

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wagnerrp:

hah! gizmodo is borked

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Ponty:

wagnerrp> Sort of. I am using LogMeIn to talk to my main machine, which doesn't rely on the VPN.

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wagnerrp:

so in other words, your VPN is broken

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Ponty:

I open up a VPN connection to the machine I call vmLAMP. I successfully connect, and can SSH to it.

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Ponty:

While on vmLAMP I cannot ping DISTRO, which is my HTPC.

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Ponty:

However, while in LMI, I can SSH to DISTRO without an issue.

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Ponty:

Both are on the same subnet.

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Ponty:

From vmLAMP I can SSH to another Linux machine without an issue.

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phunyguy:

routing issue

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phunyguy:

well, you say both are on the same subnet?

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Ponty:

Yep.

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