Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, May 31st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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mzb:

but thanks for the suggestion anyway

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wagnerrp:

my video card is hosed

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wagnerrp:

overheating i presume

[00:28:46]

wagnerrp:

no, only running 70C

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wagnerrp:

its just arbitrarily corrupting the screen

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: theres an article on slashdot how even your city's homeless have more reliable internet than you

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clever:

lol

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clever:

iamlindoro: even if i get booted from the house, you wont be rid of me!

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jblack:

'can't find food, get soaked every time it rains. Showers are a distant memory.. but youtube, that I can do'

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basement-server:

If anyone has time. Could they please look at http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1441702 and let me know if they see something i am missing :(

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basement-server:

i know I'm connecting to the DB. I'm pretty sure I do correct settings in the mythtv-setup. I was able to scan for all the channels (using cable)

[01:01:27]

basement-server:

but going to "Watch TV" on the front end just causes blank screen, then back to main menu.

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basement-server:

Backend and Frontend on same computer.. connecting to localhost ..

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elmojo:

channel changes using trunk are now super fast... awesome!

[02:22:13]

elmojo:

went from around 5–10 seconds depending on source to around 1–2 seconds

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heyheyhey:

yeah elmojo when i am on anlog it 1–2 seconds when i use my dishnetwork threw pvr it 10 seconds

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Pontiac:

Gentz.

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phunyguy:

Pontz

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phunyguy:

How are you, sir..

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Pontiac:

Doing alright, how 'bout yerself?

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phunyguy:

decent.

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phunyguy:

backend died though

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phunyguy:

PS went

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phunyguy:

so it coulda been sorse

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** Pontiac just got finished watching Cars with his boys. **

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phunyguy:

worse too

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phunyguy:

i was watching hockey.

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Pontiac:

I love it when PSUs go..... ..... until it takes hardware out.

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phunyguy:

yeah i got lucky although with the replacement PS the network will not work anymore

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Pontiac:

seen it WAY too many times. I got lucky once. PSU died, but didn't take hardware. WORST 3 hours of my life.

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phunyguy:

i have another card though

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phunyguy:

this one has onboard so i think it took it.

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heyheyhey:

och

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** kormoc blinks **

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heyheyhey:

i hate when that happens

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kormoc:

The worse your life has ever been is the three hours without a computer?

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** kormoc blinks **

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heyheyhey:

i had one go south it took out my whole network

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Pontiac:

Well... No. Not that particular aspect...

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heyheyhey:

hard drive / motherboard

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Pontiac:

Its the worst 3 hours due to my worrying that I'd be out of a computer for MUCH longer than that.

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kormoc:

wow...

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** Pontiac does monthly capacitor checks on ALL his machines. **

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phunyguy:

:-/

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phunyguy:

yeah

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phunyguy:

i should

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phunyguy:

this is an old GX150... so the crappy part is – it only takes a certain Power Supply

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phunyguy:

others wont bolt in

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heyheyhey:

i let mine run till it is dead

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heyheyhey:

then buy a new one

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elmojo:

heyheyhey: so how much did channel change times improve for you with the latest trunk updates?

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Pontiac:

kormoc> That machine was a total of about $2,000 equipment new. ... although, its worth was at about 700–800 when she blew.

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phunyguy:

so i got this one inside the case in the front of the PCI cards

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phunyguy:

will prolly overheat

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phunyguy:

oh well.

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phunyguy:

its funny lookin – the power cable runs inside through the normal PS hole

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heyheyhey:

elmojo not much 1 -2 seconds off 10 seconds

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phunyguy:

then down to the other PS

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phunyguy:

err

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heyheyhey:

8–9 seconds

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phunyguy:

down to the replacement PS

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Pontiac:

One of the things I learned while working at a computer shop was that one should *always* stick with non-propritary equipment.

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elmojo:

heyheyhey: was much more of an improvement for me... probably since my backend is on a really slow system

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kormoc:

Pontiac, it's just shocking to me that it's that important. I mean, I'd put things like pets dieing, people getting hurt and waiting to see if they're okay or not, or stuff like that well before a death of a computer

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** kormoc shrugs **

[03:00:33]

heyheyhey:

are u using svideo inputs

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heyheyhey:

?

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elmojo:

no

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Pontiac:

{smirk} Ok, worst day of my life was when I had to put my dog down.

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Pontiac:

Then it was burying my car.

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Pontiac:

Well.. 3 of them in a day, that is.

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heyheyhey:

that probly why urs is faster

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Pontiac:

Then theres whole fiasco of my grandmother dying and my finding out many years later theres a rotting grape vine rumor about how she ended up somehow successfully disallowing my half of the family from seeing the other half of the family...

[03:02:13]

elmojo:

agreed

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basement:

from michigan?

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Pontiac:

Then theres finding out my Dad was in a car wreck while due to the driver falling alseep behind the wheel and totalling the van. Dad was in the hospital for 3 months, but now has to live life with a screwed up back.

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Pontiac:

Just things I'd prefer to not think about, and dwell on the non-important things I'd just much rather be amused about losing.

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Pontiac:

Then consider THOSE aspects the `worst` part of my life.

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basement:

was supposed to be amusing.. but kormoc ruined it

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basement:

:P

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Pontiac:

I *REALLY* need to find some electrical relays.

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Pontiac:

I lost a whole day of recording. :(

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** Pontiac puts Ribs in to eat. **

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wagnerrp:

weve lost a LOT of PSUs at work

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wagnerrp:

but they only time one has taken a system with it is when the fan burns out, and theres no longer sufficient airflow to prevent the processor from burning up

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wagnerrp:

by a lot, i mean ive probably replaced some 40–50 PSUs in the last year

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wagnerrp:

and these arent server grade, redundant supplies

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wagnerrp:

these are just cheap inwin SFF supplies

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Pontiac:

I've seen a few systems taken completely out just due to blown caps.

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Pontiac:

Well, maybe one or two, not many.

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wagnerrp:

we have boards go out on their own

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wagnerrp:

but invariably if we blow a PSU, we just swap it and the system is functional again

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Pontiac:

mmm.. 650g of yogurt.. gone... 3 thick chunks of BBQ ribs.. gone... Now, popcorn.

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phunyguy:

blown caps suck

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phunyguy:

because the PC will still run

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phunyguy:

but it will run like crap

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Pontiac:

... and its a wonder I gotta go grocery shopping every week.

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phunyguy:

got tickets at work ALL the time because we have such crappy power there

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Pontiac:

I have an old AMD board that still works with bleeding caps. problem is I can't find caps to replace them with. :/

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phunyguy:

really?

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phunyguy:

usually caps are pretty easy to come across

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Pontiac:

Yeah. They're an oddball type.

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phunyguy:

ahh

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Pontiac:

They're really tall and really thin, and VERY close together.

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Pontiac:

So I have to get the same kind in order to get 'em to fit half decently.

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phunyguy:

lol

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phunyguy:

could wire them all to a seperate board

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phunyguy:

:P

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phunyguy:

then size doesn't matter

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phunyguy:

what gen AMD?

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Pontiac:

Size doesn't, no. But I don't like having exposed wires hang'n around, and having bits just hang'n around prone to easy breakage.

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phunyguy:

i still have a tbird 900 in operation.

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Pontiac:

She's pretty old. Lemme see if i can dig her out.

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phunyguy:

i love free parts

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phunyguy:

got the CPU from my cousin

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phunyguy:

motherboard was part of a "if you can fix it you can have it" PC

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phunyguy:

then the wife blew the RAM on that board

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phunyguy:

the ram went bad.... and I was away on a 3 month navy trip...

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phunyguy:

so i walked her through replacing it

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phunyguy:

she JAMMED it in backwards :P

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phunyguy:

3 pins had the foil fried off

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Pontiac:

hmm.. Musta tossed it, r its somewhere I don't remember putting it. heh

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phunyguy:

lol

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phunyguy:

no biggie

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phunyguy:

was just curious

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Lexridge:

I have lost many MBs due to blown caps, and while they run like crap while bleeding, they will most certainly die eventually.

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phunyguy:

yessir.

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phunyguy:

i just pulled my old 550 out of operation about a year ago

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phunyguy:

was my gateway

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Lexridge:

I've replaced many caps too, even the tall skinny ones with larger ones. You should be able to make that work.

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phunyguy:

couldnt handle the active virus scanning of all the HTTP traffic though

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Pontiac:

None of the machines I've ever built, and that I've owned, have ever ended up with bleeding caps. However, I have replaced a cap or two, and finally gave up by telling customers its cheaper to get a new board than invest the $45/hr for me to do it `properly`. heh

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phunyguy:

lol pontz, yeah

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Lexridge:

Pontiac: It's cheaper for a new board, sure, but if your replacing an older mb, you also have to upgrade RAM and CPU. Now it's gonna cost more.

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phunyguy:

besides

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phunyguy:

micro-soldering sucks

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phunyguy:

did it in the navy for 4 years

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Pontiac:

Lexridge> Yep. yer right. And when ya tell the customer that the machine I'm soldering is already out of waranty, and an upgrade of a few more bucks would DOUBLE the speed of the machine, it makes the diff.

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Lexridge:

Pontiac: agreed. I generally just let them decide how they want to do it. Some folks want it just fixed as cheaply as possible.

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Pontiac:

*nods* If they don't want a new board, I point 'em to another refurb.

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phunyguy:

i had a power supply go and i thought i had 2 head hard drives and a good pwer supply.

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heyheyhey:

well yeah but u can make a nice pc for 300.00

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phunyguy:

the 5v rail on the PS went

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heyheyhey:

dual core

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phunyguy:

i think it was 5V anyway

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phunyguy:

and my CD burner wouldnt burn anymore

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phunyguy:

it would go through the motions and eject a blank disc

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phunyguy:

:P

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phunyguy:

i was a noob then though

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Lexridge:

Pontiac: I hire a fellow to do it for me. I pay him $20 per board, and he can generally do 2–3 per hour.

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phunyguy:

i would do it for beer.

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Lexridge:

lol

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phunyguy:

ch33rs

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Pontiac:

i'd do it for a house.

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phunyguy:

hah!

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phunyguy:

btw my new fan is actually doing good

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Pontiac:

yeah, i'm a prick that way. heh

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phunyguy:

i think there was high load on the server the other day

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Lexridge:

I could do the work myself, by working a full time job, and running a computer shop on the side takes lots of time, and little for soldering. :(

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phunyguy:

because its cool as can be in there now with the door shut

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phunyguy:

a little warm right by the server, but its ONLY right by the server

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phunyguy:

still need to build my "rack"

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phunyguy:

so i can neaten it up a bit in there

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Pontiac:

get a woman?

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phunyguy:

hah my wife said the same thing

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phunyguy:

"You got a rack... :( "

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Pontiac:

hahaha

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phunyguy:

she gets nosey and watches me chat

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Pontiac:

Nice

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heyheyhey:

lmfao

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phunyguy:

she is a closet geek

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Pontiac:

peanut gallery

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Pontiac:

i like her heh

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heyheyhey:

3rd floor on the right

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heyheyhey:

lol

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phunyguy:

lol.

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phunyguy:

shes MINE

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heyheyhey:

lol

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Pontiac:

Sensitive

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Lexridge:

This is a wild story. Dish Network has a facility right behind the stations where I work. It's there to pickup local stations via antennas mounted on our tower, then sends that video via fiber to Montana. [more]

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Pontiac:

Lexridge | more

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** phunyguy tries to click for more **

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Lexridge:

The building is equipped with a lot of racks and equipment, an 18hr UPS and redundant air conditioning systems.

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heyheyhey:

that charlie for ya

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phunyguy:

jeeez – 18 hour UPS

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Lexridge:

Last sunday, I get a call from Dish wanting me to enter the building a check out a situation.

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basement:

going to try to install Mythbuntu fresh on new hd and see if I have better luck ..

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Lexridge:

When I entered, I discovered BOTH a/c units had failed, and the inside was 150 degrees F

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Lexridge:

!!!

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phunyguy:

LOL

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heyheyhey:

i had fun yesterday lol

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phunyguy:

sounds like my closet before the fan

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Lexridge:

The smell was awful....most of the equipment was toasted!

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phunyguy:

wow that is awesome

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Pontiac:

A `situation` eh?

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Lexridge:

They told me it was estimated to be 150,000 in damage!!

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heyheyhey:

i finally customized my mythbox to use a directtv remote for the frontend

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heyheyhey:

lol

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phunyguy:

i need to invest in some new hardware

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basement:

HOLY SH(*!

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phunyguy:

my old stuff is starting to fail.

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basement:

IT's working!

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basement:

lol awesome!

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Pontiac:

That was afast reload

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phunyguy:

PEBKAC?

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basement:

LOL.. it didn't like my threat of deleting it i guess :)

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basement:

cool

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Pontiac:

heh

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phunyguy:

hmm

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basement:

now i just gotta figure how to use it.. awesome! lol was so fustrated.. then boom.. it just works.. weird..

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phunyguy:

i could revive my 550...

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phunyguy:

as the backend

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phunyguy:

especially if i go the HD HomeRun route

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phunyguy:

not sure how the network would perform with 4 HD tuners writing to a Samba share though...

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phunyguy:

that 550 was solid though

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phunyguy:

i could theoretically put 2 more NICs in it

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basement:

now just need to get sound working ;)

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phunyguy:

have 2 directly attached to a HDHR each

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basement:

:-X

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phunyguy:

then the 3d as the regualr output to network

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Pontiac:

I have no problems with GigE. I routinely push 30meg/sec to the SMB share.

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phunyguy:

how would GigE do with the 550?

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phunyguy:

not sure if the 550 would handle the card

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phunyguy:

it wont run my DViCO fusion 5

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phunyguy:

POST fails with it plugged in

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Pontiac:

It would, you just wouldn't get a lot of high through-put, like 30meg/sec for instance.

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phunyguy:

exactly.

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phunyguy:

what it is 2MB one way for a HD feed?

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phunyguy:

/sec*

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phunyguy:

is it*

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phunyguy:

jeez

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phunyguy:

i can normally squeeze 10–11 MB/sec out of a 100 meg link

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phunyguy:

4 HD feeds is 8 MB

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phunyguy:

so that gets tough

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phunyguy:

has to be 8 coming in and then 8 going back out to Samba

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phunyguy:

almost makes it worth it to turn the fileserver into a backend

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phunyguy:

but its doubling as my desktop...

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phunyguy:

(the fileserver that is)

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rooter7:

Having a color problem; red swapped with green, and yellow with blue.

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phunyguy:

heh

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rooter7:

I thought I was running the VDPAU profile, but it turns out I was on Slim.

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Pontiac:

rooter7> Err.. sounds.. like ya managed to plug it in wrong?

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rooter7:

Also seeing the problem in mplayer.

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Pontiac:

<- Not a professional.

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phunyguy:

hah ponty i wasnt gonna say it

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rooter7:

HDMI.

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rooter7:

Color for the desktops and Myth menuing is fine.

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kormoc:

is your projector expecting HDCP?

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rooter7:

But when playing shows it's all swapped up.

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rooter7:

It's a new projector, and I assume all expect HDCP.

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phunyguy:

would that be an issue if regular desktop and myth menus are fine kormoc?

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wagnerrp:

are you still running the VDPAU backports remotely over ssh and NX?

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rooter7:

Nah, this is running locally on the HTPC.

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** Pontiac evil eyes the fridge to figure out what else it could possible dispense. **

[04:00:16]

phunyguy:

pig.

[04:00:22]

phunyguy:

not calling you one

[04:00:24]

phunyguy:

but

[04:00:26]

phunyguy:

you had ribs.

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phunyguy:

MOAR PIG.

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phunyguy:

or was it cow>?

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rooter7:

And here's the weird part: when I switch to the VDPAU profile, colrs are great!

[04:00:38]

Pontiac:

Pig.

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Pontiac:

Not to mention a tub of yogurt.

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phunyguy:

ok.

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phunyguy:

pig.

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Pontiac:

I should be feeling that at about 4am.

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phunyguy:

lol

[04:01:01]

Pontiac:

Then a bag of popcorn.

[04:01:04]

phunyguy:

*gurgle*...

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wagnerrp:

laced with pig fat?

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Pontiac:

Its fortunate I live in a house hold full of sound sleepers.

[04:01:26]

Pontiac:

... and keep a box of ear plugs handy.

[04:01:26]

phunyguy:

hah!

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rooter7:

Well, I see we're drinking tonight...

[04:01:39]

phunyguy:

i have had an beer.

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phunyguy:

thats right

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phunyguy:

an.

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Pontiac:

rooter7> I wish I could help, but I'm still in an analog world... .. and I am an analog man.

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Pontiac:

ahem

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phunyguy:

hmm

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phunyguy:

Analog Kid?

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phunyguy:

(Rush)

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rooter7:

cool. weird problem.

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Pontiac:

rooter7> Have you tried playing the flix on another machine?

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Dagmar:

I just want to point out something...

[04:03:36]

Dagmar:

There should be three colors, not four.

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** Pontiac puts on the safety glasses. **

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** phunyguy grabs the sword **

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** Pontiac grabs the nail clippers with the... small.. er. .. nail file.. **

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kormoc:

that is true... RGB, where's the yellow coming from?

[04:04:38]

Pontiac:

Doesn't green and blue make yellow? That'd mean RED isn't working.

[04:05:12]

Dagmar:

It would become remarkably simpler to diagnose if you'd hunt up a test clip of an NTSC bar chart.

[04:05:39]

Dagmar:

...but I suspect the issue is just that the color order has gotten broken somewhere and RGB are now GBR or something like that

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Pontiac:

http://images.google.com/images?oe=UTF-8& . . . amp;ct=title

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Pontiac:

... take yer pick.

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kormoc:

those are video files?

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** kormoc blinks **

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phunyguy:

excellent google work

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rooter7:

Pontiac yes, and all's well.

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Dagmar:

Pontiac: I've put NTSC charts on the wiki myself. Getting them in a video format that will cause the bug to manifest is not as easily available

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Dagmar:

...unless he's wrong he said the menus were fine.

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rooter7:

When I play movies I have the problem when not VDPAU.

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Dagmar:

That's just freaky

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Pontiac:

Kidding aside, my Myth is setup so that pretty much everything to do with the menuing system in Gnome is pretty much B&W.

[04:07:06]

kormoc:

Dagmar, it is JYA's build...

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rooter7:

Desktop is fine. The PJ has numerous color profiles, and it is set to Auto. Beginning to suspect that.

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Dagmar:

JYA?

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kormoc:

Dagmar, the VDPAU backport to -fixes

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Dagmar:

Oh

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Dagmar:

Ya think maybe he broke something in non VDPAU output?

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kormoc:

wouldn't be the first time

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rooter7:

Happens in mplayer as well.

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kormoc:

he's removed vdpau bug fixes because he doesn't believe them to be a problem with 'real' people

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kormoc:

god only know what's in htere

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Dagmar:

Oh wait the problem going on in mplayer too?

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Dagmar:

Time to pastebin the xorg.conf

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Pontiac:

Thats what he said.

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kormoc:

that's what she said.

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Dagmar:

That kinda rules out it being a myth big

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Dagmar:

s/big/bug/;

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, kormoc, he's also included about two *dozen* non-VDPAU patches in his patch

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iamlindoro:

which include various new features sitting in trac

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phunyguy:

oh great.

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Dagmar:

If MPlayer is screwing up there's probably some weird interatction going on with the video driver in X

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phunyguy:

its HIM.

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rooter7:

When I set the PJ color profile to rj701 I get the squirrelled-up colors on the desktop.

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Pontiac:

... your colour profile wears PJs??

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Yes, but do any of them apply to Mplayer?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, yeah, whee...

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rooter7:

everywhere.

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** Pontiac shuts up **

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Pontiac:

Been around my kids too much.

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Dagmar:

Like, if mplayers colors are swapped around, that somewhat vindicates Myth

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phunyguy:

hah Pontiac, it happens.

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, ISTR he also distributes an mplayer build, but can't speak to what that includes

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phunyguy:

i was playing Barbies with my daughter earlier, so dont feel bad.

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Pontiac:

Two boys.

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phunyguy:

1 girl.

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** Dagmar shuns the girlyman **

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rooter7:

Yes it does vindicate Myth. I am beginning to suspect general color profile in the PJ.

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phunyguy:

mommy was busy so i played.

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Dagmar:

PJ?

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rooter7:

(projector)

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Dagmar:

Oh

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Pontiac:

I get to play wif cars, baseball, soccer, and toss'em on the bed and tickle them till they manage to get away.

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phunyguy:

hay i was man enough to admit i played with barbies today

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Dagmar:

...and you're outputting HDMI to the projector?

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rooter7:

Yp.

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, Dagmar, aye, his mplayer build over-rides the system ones

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foobert:

yea. finally got my capture card driver issue figured out.

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rooter7:

Desktop is fine, which doesn't make sense for PJ color profile tho...

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, Dagmar, he also ships his own nvidia drivers, python replacements, and libx264 with custom patches

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, But it's not a fork, nosiree ;)

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

Time to go take your problem to the mad scientist responsible for those binaries then

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iamlindoro:

We mentioned that yesterday

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iamlindoro:

apparently he hoped we wouldn't be back tonight

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Dagmar:

...which is not washing my hands of it so much as that that person really *does* probably have an idea of what the common failure issue is

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Dagmar:

LOL

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rooter7:

I had no illusions...

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Dagmar:

wE ArE AlWaYs HeRe...

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syncmaster4:

hi everyone

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Dagmar:

ThErE iS No ReST FoR US...

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basement:

well, cool.. i have sound now.. but have to plug in the audio out to line in .. duh...

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Dagmar:

rooter7: The desktop being correct is actually pretty unimportant

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Dagmar:

rooter7: Video happens a much different way

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kormoc:

rooter7, but do you understand what we're saying, you're running versions of myth, mplayer, nvidia drivers, system files that are non-standard, we can't help you, you really need to talk to avenard

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rooter7:

It's happening in mplayer movies as well, so I suspicion a color profile problem.

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kormoc:

if he screwed up the nvidia driver, that would do it

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basement:

lol, super lag on sound ...

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Dagmar:

So you keep talking about a "color profile" problem, but guess what...\

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syncmaster4:

Looking for some advice from all the experts here

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rooter7:

Mplayer is bog-standard Debian.

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Dagmar:

NO ONE else actually sets anything like a color profile.

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Dagmar:

If Mplayer is definitely the debian binary, then the problem is in patches made to X or the nVidia driver build is just bad.

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rooter7:

The PJ has about six color profiles, and is set to Auto.

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Dagmar:

The routines that are used to draw "normal" desktop stuff simply don't come into play for video

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kormoc:

rooter7, are you sure, his packages are named the same as the ubuntu vanilla ones, just newer versions...

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rooter7:

Video must derive its color system differently.

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syncmaster4:

running mythtv-0.21–208.el5_bijou20090527 on CentOS 5.3, pvr350 – everything works fine except no sound playing dvd. Any hints?

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Dagmar:

rooter7: Well pick another one and stop trying to make your bad choise of binaries and someone else's lazieness our problem

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rooter7:

I am not using any of Jean's repos. I always patch manually.

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Dagmar:

rooter7: Okay, so you're even more screwed than usual

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rooter7:

Ahem, not making it your problem...

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rooter7:

... looking for input.

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Dagmar:

As to "video must derive it's color system differently" why don't you scroll up

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Dagmar:

I said that some time ago

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Dagmar:

...and no I'm not going to sit here and explain how video works.

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Dagmar:

Use unpatched standard binaries

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rooter7:

Not asking -you- to Dagmar.

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Dagmar:

No, you're irritating everyone with it

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kormoc:

I'm still not convinced that you turned off all your sshfs/ssh tunnels....

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Dagmar:

It's not appropriate to expect people to spend time solving problems of *this* complexity that are your own manufacture

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Dagmar:

Start over with a flipping pristine, clean, untampered with setup.

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Dagmar:

Add ONE patch at a time.

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Dagmar:

Test everything.

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Dagmar:

If it works, add another patch.

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Dagmar:

Rinse and repeat until something breaks.

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kormoc:

test before adding any patches too...

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Dagmar:

THAT is the correct way to troubleshoot this sort of issue anyway

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rooter7:

Tunnels are on, but not using them in this case, as the HTPC is putting out directly HDMI.

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Pontiac:

.. heh.. tunnels are on, but nobodys home?

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rooter7:

I think the fact that standard Debian mplayer has the problem indicates an X interaction with color.

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kormoc:

and it's not a shared x session being forwarded around or some other nonsense?

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rooter7:

And it's only on the projector, not on an LCD terminal or on remote machines.

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rooter7:

No, just a local X session.

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** Pontiac belches... ohhh.. *eyes roll back into his head* .. felt soooooo goooooood. **

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rooter7:

Somehow video's color is derived differently than desktop's.

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kormoc:

is myth setup to change the video mode on playback?

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rooter7:

Don't understand.

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kormoc:

there's an option in the frontend to change the video mode when you start playback

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kormoc:

if you're swiching to a bad mode, it might act like this

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kormoc:

but it shouldn't affect mplayer

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rooter7:

Have the VDPAU profile set, and color's OK. When I switch to Slim profile it's screwed.

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kormoc:

So then it's just XV that's screwed

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rooter7:

And when I play a movie in mplayer it's screwed.

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kormoc:

re-install your nvidia binaries

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kormoc:

downgrade versions/upgrade versions

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rooter7:

Good idea.

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rooter7:

Runnning 185.18.10.

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rooter7:

I'll try 180.??

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rooter7:

Thx.

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kormoc:

I'll laugh if that fixes it

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basement:

of course recording has no sound at all :( lol

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heyheyhey:

has anyone ever setup a postfix email server before in here?

[04:26:19]

kormoc:

try #postfix

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Pontiac:

basement> Check your audio properties.

[04:26:51]

Pontiac:

Make sure A> You're recording from the correct device and B> That the device is set to record.

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syncmaster4:

worked w/ postfix a little, whats your question?

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phunyguy:

i have heyheyhey

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phunyguy:

got one now

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basement:

well.. i managed to get sound to play during "watch TV" by plugging the audio out of tuner card to the line in of computer..

[04:28:58]

basement:

audio all i see is this dsp/dsp0

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basement:

something like that :)

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Pontiac:

Lemme see if I can find the URL....

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phunyguy:

hmmm

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Pontiac:

Install the alsa mixer tools.

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basement:

humm i think i found audio settings

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basement:

i will try to set to dev/dsp.. was other..

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phunyguy:

if that doesnt work for you, there may be a header on the card to plug into the sound card internally

[04:30:16]

phunyguy:

like cdrom-style

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basement:

cool.. checking more... sometimes i just type to think lol.. need to do that in a note pad ;)

[04:30:55]

phunyguy:

naah its cool

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phunyguy:

we are here to type/chat

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Pontiac:

And make fun of the phunyguy

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phunyguy:

speaking of thinking aloud

[04:31:27]

phunyguy:

i need to spackle my fan still

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phunyguy:

some broken ceiling exposed

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phunyguy:

not to mention it will help seal out the attic

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phunyguy:

:P

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phunyguy:

lol spackle my fan – sounds kinky

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syncmaster4:

[syncmaster4] running mythtv-0.21–208.el5_bijou20090527 on CentOS 5.3, pvr350 – everything works fine except no sound playing dvd. Any hints?

[04:32:09]

syncmaster4:

[syncmaster4] running mythtv-0.21–208.el5_bijou20090527 on CentOS 5.3, pvr350 – everything works fine except no sound playing dvd. Any hints?

[04:32:09]

syncmaster4:

no sound on dvds, everything else works fine – ideas?

[04:32:26]

phunyguy:

ac3 passthrough?

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Pontiac:

... i .. think yer outta sync, syncmaster4.

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syncmaster4:

sorry bout that...

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phunyguy:

is it output to a TV or reciever?

[04:32:57]

phunyguy:

via what type of connection?

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syncmaster4:

pvr350 to sound card to tv

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syncmaster4:

all analog

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phunyguy:

i meant the DVD playback

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phunyguy:

:P

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syncmaster4:

I don't understand

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phunyguy:

may be more of an #alsa question.

[04:34:13]

phunyguy:

"except no sound playing dvd"

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phunyguy:

???

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syncmaster4:

yea, the most recent references I can find date back to 2007

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phunyguy:

or are you inputting a DVD player to the 350?

[04:35:15]

phunyguy:

(shrug)

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syncmaster4:

recordings work fine, dvds play but no sound.

[04:35:24]

phunyguy:

right

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phunyguy:

DVDs from your DVD drive on the PC?

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syncmaster4:

just playing in the dvd player (in the computer)

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phunyguy:

right.

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phunyguy:

DVDs are AC3 audio

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phunyguy:

digital.

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phunyguy:

which is why i blame alsa.

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syncmaster4:

I'm 99% confident its something I don't have set correctly but I can't seem to figure it out...

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Pontiac:

RELOAD!

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Pontiac:

.. oh.. wait.. not using windows. *shuts up... again*

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phunyguy:

syncmaster4> I'm 99% confident its something I don't have set correctly but I can't seem to figure it out... <--- lol?

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phunyguy:

most likely so!

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syncmaster4:

Just rebuilt it, this is the only thing not working correctly

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syncmaster4:

:)

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syncmaster4:

don't you just love obvous statements :)

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phunyguy:

:D

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basement:

oblivious or obvious? :)

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phunyguy:

can you play DVDs in another player like Xine?

[04:39:51]

syncmaster4:

since I haven't had any luck searching I thought I'd ask the experts here

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phunyguy:

with sound?

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syncmaster4:

let me check...

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Pontiac:

... ya know.. i gotta be at work in 7 hours. :/

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phunyguy:

why are you still awake? lol

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basement:

lol, get some sleep :)

[04:41:12]

Pontiac:

"Around The World in 80 days" is ALMOST over.

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basement:

definatly nothing to lose sleep over

[04:41:18]

basement:

omg.. i watched that

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phunyguy:

lol OLD

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phunyguy:

wait new or old version?

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basement:

jackie

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Pontiac:

With Jackie Chan.

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phunyguy:

ahh

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phunyguy:

thats not old then

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phunyguy:

the old one was 1956

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basement:

i c

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basement:

omg it takes so long to figure this stuff out when ya know nothing .. oh.. and drinking.. so... lol

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Pontiac:

Drinking and compputing... been there, done that, and what a wonderful crash that was... .. i mean me in bed.

[04:50:32]

Pontiac:

I think Windows was more stable than I was that particular day.

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basement:

lol, dunno what it was.. but didn't have to sudo it...

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Pontiac:

sudo + drinking =.. danger will robinson, danger.

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basement:

;)

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phunyguy:

also

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phunyguy:

"su -" + drinking is even worse.

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phunyguy:

lawl

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basement:

but i'll wipe this whole damn HD w/o thinking twice lol.. remember.. it apparently fears me.. i will play on that ;)

[04:51:56]

phunyguy:

sudo rm -rf /

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Pontiac:

su – rm -r...nevermind

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phunyguy:

i winned.

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Pontiac:

i losed.

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basement:

so.. what do you think i should set the "Audio Output Device" to? :)

[04:52:52]

phunyguy:

i noticed this whole room stays cooler with that fan in the closet...

[04:52:56]

Pontiac:

... oh so many answers.

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basement:

lol\

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phunyguy:

it pulls air from this room

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basement:

i thought so!

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phunyguy:

this room was always the hottest because the sun beats down on it

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basement:

my head likes to explode..

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phunyguy:

most of the day

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Pontiac:

My eyes want to shut. So going to go sleep with the wife now.

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phunyguy:

ok ninite

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basement:

later

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phunyguy:

ouch, 7.3 quake in honduras

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phunyguy:

that'll rattle yer bones.

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phunyguy:

biggest i felt was like a 5.2

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phunyguy:

good old california

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phunyguy:

was at work and the racks were swaying

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basement:

arrg! ok..sleep soudning good

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basement:

well.. i will go kill people on wolf: ET to let out aggressions...

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syncmaster4:

phunyguy – no sound but I don't think the test is valid since it doesn't display the video right either – too slow. Through myth video plays fine (internal player) but no sound.

[05:01:03]

syncmaster4:

I do have vol control when playing dvds but even turned up there is nothing. I'll go back over my settings, again.

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brett__:

I'm having a problem whereby one of my frontends cannot playback recordings

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brett__:

The error i get is "Error: File '' is missing"

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wagnerrp:

frontends shouldnt even need file access to play recordings

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brett__:

My desktop can play them back

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brett__:

but not this other frontend

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brett__:

whats weird is the empty quotes

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brett__:

almost as if it is looking for the wrong file

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abstortedminds1:

on my mythtv frontend on a client machine the media library doesnt show the same content the frontend on the server does

[08:48:12]

abstortedminds1:

there is no videos of music listed at all

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abstortedminds1:

how can i allow them to view the videos like avi's and mp3's that the server sides frontend can

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clever:

you need to mount the directory with the media to the same location on every system

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clever:

probly using NFS

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abstortedminds1:

ahhh

[08:48:55]

abstortedminds1:

ok

[08:50:46]

abstortedminds1:

trying that now

[08:52:35]

abstortedminds1:

i was kinda hoping it would stream

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abstortedminds1:

without direct access :\

[08:52:46]

clever:

mythvideo cant stream yet

[08:54:21]

abstortedminds1:

hrm so on the server side frontend, /media/caps/movies works

[08:54:32]

abstortedminds1:

i have the same NAS mounted on my client

[08:54:45]

abstortedminds1:

yet i still dont see the extra menu icons for teh videos

[08:54:46]

clever:

it has to be mounted to the same path

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abstortedminds1:

on the client side frontend

[08:55:04]

clever:

on both ends

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clever:

for example, mount theP4:/media/mainlv /media/mainlv/

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abstortedminds1:

yea, both the server and the client have /media/caps/movies mounted

[08:56:15]

abstortedminds1:

if thats what you are asking

[08:56:44]

clever:

you may also need to set that path in mythvideo config, at both ends

[08:56:51]

abstortedminds1:

Media library only contains Watch Recordings on the client side, whereas teh serverside(frontend) has Listen to music, movies etc

[08:58:11]

clever:

ahhh

[08:58:17]

clever:

then you dont have mythvideo installed

[08:58:22]

abstortedminds1:

i see

[08:58:38]

abstortedminds1:

installing now

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abstortedminds1:

i thought that was included in teh plugins :\

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clever:

it should be

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abstortedminds1:

installing now :P

[08:59:37]

abstortedminds1:

my 15 minute impulse crash course on mythtv, decided to take a break from the asm programming for a bit

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abstortedminds1:

:p

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clever:

ive been spending the past 20minutes trying tto close firefox

[09:00:09]

abstortedminds1:

pkill firefox

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clever:

its using over 300 mb of ram

[09:00:29]

abstortedminds1:

yea goto terminal

[09:00:30]

abstortedminds1:

type that

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clever:

and i dont want to improperly close tabs i had open

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abstortedminds1:

lol

[09:00:59]

clever:

and it would be simpler to just ctrl+c it

[09:01:17]

clever:

allready gave it a few ctrl+z hits to let other programs settle down

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abstortedminds1:

hehe

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abstortedminds1:

its just the terminal do a pkill -9 firefox

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abstortedminds1:

that will set you good

[09:01:40]

abstortedminds1:

before firefox blows up in flames

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abstortedminds1:

no pun intended

[09:01:45]

clever:

and loose everything i had open!

[09:02:00]

abstortedminds1:

hopefully it restores, and you have history :p

[09:02:44]

abstortedminds1:

great it works with mythvideo thx

[09:03:04]

clever:

i need to figure out where the memory leak is

[09:03:11]

clever:

its been getting worse this past week

[09:03:29]

laga:

over 300MB of ram? i thought that was normal

[09:03:41]

clever:

laga: its also using half the swap partition

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laga:

mine is using 200M and i've been using it for two hours or so

[09:04:08]

clever:

clever 1049 24.4 75.5 752136 387868 pts/4 Tl May29 611:58 /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox

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abstortedminds1:

my god

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abstortedminds1:

glad i have 6 gigs of ram

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abstortedminds1:

firefox is getting out of hand imo

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abstortedminds1:

bloated beast

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clever:

i think it may be more from references in js that im not deleting

[09:08:32]

abstortedminds1:

is there something like mythtv that allows for streaming of mp3's and movies, with a similar interface as mythtv

[09:10:36]

abstortedminds1:

Jinzora

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clever:

closing the final tab!

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abstortedminds1:

lol

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clever:

Debug2: window unload!

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clever:

FTS0: *********************** SHUTDOWN JSD NULL

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clever:

and still, the ram hasnt budged

[09:12:52]

Dibblah:

abstortedminds1: You need to configure the plugins in the frontend so they point to paths on the backend. NFS shares, etc.

[09:13:16]

abstortedminds1:

Dibblah, do i still need to mount the drives locally (on client)

[09:13:20]

Dibblah:

At the moment, Myth only streams recordings.

[09:13:36]

Dibblah:

Don't understand.

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abstortedminds1:

If i configure my settings correctly: on server /media/caps/movies is where my movies are stored

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abstortedminds1:

on the client do i need to also mount that?

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abstortedminds1:

or just setup the path the client

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Dibblah:

You mount the drives physically on the backend, then mount an NFS share of that directory on the client.

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abstortedminds1:

right

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abstortedminds1:

ok thanks

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Dibblah:

There are plans to enable streaming for all media, but it doesn't exist at this time.

[09:15:22]

abstortedminds1:

ok, sounds nice :)

[09:15:40]

clever:

firefox is still closing!

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Dibblah:

Oh – Has this become the random support channel now? ;)

[09:16:11]

abstortedminds1:

lol

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clever:

just talking about random shit:P

[09:16:31]

Dibblah:

Yes, I noticed.

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laga:

one of these days, i'll give clever a working computer

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clever:

ok, what the heck, mythtv just started to record the weather network

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gbee:

Dibblah: that's how I treat it, as my own personal support chan ;)

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brett__:

is there anyway to get a frontend to not stream but to use the nfs files?

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gbee:

brett__: yes, there is a setting to disable streaming if the files are available locally

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gbee:

thought I don't see the point

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brett__:

streaming is not working

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brett__:

and I have to nfs the video files anyway

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** laga curses java **

[10:02:20]

brett__:

gbee, any idea why I would be getting "Error: File '' missing" when attempting to playback a recording?

[10:03:34]

clever:

that sounds more like a timezone problem

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brett__:

how do I check if the backend and frontend are in sync?

[10:05:02]

clever:

run 'date' on each

[10:05:41]

brett__:

yep, ones in UTC, thanks for the pointer.

[10:13:29]

brett__:

yep that fixed it, thanks clever

[10:18:01]

brett__:

anyway for me to add that fix to the troubleshooting wiki?

[10:18:39]

clever:

the problem is that when converting times back and forth, your incorrect timezone shifts it by a couple of hours

[10:18:52]

clever:

so it cant find the right row in mysql(or finds the wrong one)

[10:18:58]

clever:

which then gives it the wrong path

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clever:

the latest version will refuse to even run if it detects the problem

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brett__:

okay

[10:20:29]

brett__:

i'm guessing thats latest version, compiled from source, not the release on ubuntu's jaunty

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clever:

its in trunk atleast, maybe 0.21, dont know

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gbee:

brett__: sure, just register an account and edit, shouldn't take a couple of minutes

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gbee:

0.22 will warn when the frontend and backend clocks don't match

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brett__:

okay

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Jasa:

Hey, quick question ... is it normal that mythbackend uses the satellite card constantly on some random channel and blocks usage from frontend, when trying to watch television it throws back into menu.

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laga:

the backend is not blocking the frontend, your setup is incorrect

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Jasa:

Yeah seems bit odd really ... i have channels scanned and looks nice on channel list, also the card starts up doing things and now even when i have the frontend closed the backend is still messing around. Guess i should check some settings.

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laga:

the backend is scanning for EPG data, that is correct behavior

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laga:

you probably have timezone issues or your time is not correct

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laga:

or you have no EPG

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Jasa:

Hmm, i have gotten bit further now ... it was small hickup on wrong mysql point at begin i would guess. var/run instead of var/lib .... but ....

[11:58:17]

Jasa:

Now it seems to try to watch channel and still same issue "2009-05–31 14:55:50.347 Using NV NPOT texture extension", does load nvidia seemingly indeed ... GetEntryAt(-1) still.

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Dibblah:

Jasa: You don't have guide data.

[12:10:47]

Jasa:

Hmm, some solutions some folks seems to give at fast searching would try checking tuners ... yeah.

[12:11:02]

gbee:

laga: I'll debug it later, but the BBC weather scripts seem to be broken with mythbuntu, maybe a missing perl module or similar

[12:11:16]

Jasa:

If i need to totally erase myth database how can i do it btw ?

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gbee:

laga: oh and you might want to consider adding the "force_lna_activation=1" parameter to mythbuntu module option config – the Nova-T 500 is useless without that

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Jasa:

Heh, even worse ... i have hvr-4000. =p

[12:14:28]

laga:

gbee: i think we've had a bug open against the kernel for ages

[12:15:14]

mr_claus:

can please anybody give me a hint how to build minimyth with openchrome trunk instead of release 0.9.203?

[12:15:23]

Jasa:

I would still assume the card was actually scanning the EPG data indeed to the web interface.

[12:15:45]

Jasa:

But does it block it from watching live, would doub that.

[12:16:18]

Jasa:

Aren't there few already made distros for myth usage ?

[12:16:18]

laga:

mr_claus: get the minimyth build system, replace openchrome, build it?

[12:16:45]

gbee:

laga: ok, I didn't check for existing tickets, sorry

[12:17:10]

Jasa:

I have to admit in usage this totally looses into normal media players. -.-

[12:17:27]

Jasa:

Well on configuration part atleast. =)

[12:17:32]

laga:

gbee: hey, no worries. didnt mean to patronize you ;)

[12:17:48]

gbee:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/140272

[12:19:24]

mr_claus:

laga: i think i have to change the line @$(call FETCH_SVN, http://$*, $(GARVERSION), $(DISTNAME))

[12:19:43]

Jasa:

Hmm, i think i might have some type of guessing on thing already now on my issue.

[12:19:57]

mr_claus:

laga: i know that i have to replace openchrome but a more detailed information would be nice

[12:20:06]

Jasa:

I used the adapter1 on scanning and it would seem that mythsetup is using actually adapter0 for some reason.

[12:20:09]

gbee:

it's not considered to be a kernel bug, although I'd argue strongly that the option should be enabled by default in the module, at least populating the options file gets around it a little

[12:20:38]

gbee:

janneg: do you think there is any chance of the default state of the lna being changed?

[12:20:59]

laga:

gbee: we try to use distro defaults as much as possible, and we'd need a way to reliably add it to the options file in both cases of install: from Cd and via packages.

[12:21:16]

laga:

gbee: so adding a button in MCC might be the "solution" :(

[12:21:41]

gbee:

:(

[12:22:46]

laga:

gbee: or let me put it another way: to us, it is a bug in the kernel because the default options are part of the kernel ;) not talking about vanilla here, i'm referring to the complete ubuntu kernel, um, stack

[12:23:20]

gbee:

might have more luck petitioning the dvb devs, though I fear we'll hit resistance (common sense doesn't always prevail)

[12:23:32]

gbee:

laga: sure

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Jasa:

Hmm, figurement

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laga:

meh. using vim with big files sucks

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juski:

using most editors with big files sucks

[12:59:02]

laga:

true.

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laga:

less is so much nicer. but it's not an editor ;)

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juski:

unless there's a command-line option to load the file piecemeal...

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laga:

probably should disable the swap file in vim

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juski:

hmmm. wine o' clock!

[13:06:06]

laga:

yay

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laga:

hum. my machine learning tool just choked on a typically german greeting from 70 years ago. interesting ;)

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** juski ponders taking a portable bbq to work .. if the weather keeps this up it'd make a very nice 2 hour lunch-break **

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laga:

hum, bbq

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juski:

wish Manchester had a beach

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juski:

with wifi :D

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** laga has a couch with wifi ;) **

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** juski has a sunlounger with wifi **

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juski:

sadly, no waitress service today though

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laga:

too bad

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XLV:

is there any tool for non destructive conversion of ext3 to ext4?

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RDV_Linux:

XLV: I am very sure I saw a process for non-destructive move to ext4 by googling.

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laga:

there is a caveat, though – not all data structures are converted to ext4 immediately, existing data stays in ext3 format AFAIK. so the only clean way is to create a new file system

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XLV:

RDV_Linux, //www.mail-archive.com/plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/msg10030.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/plug-discuss@list . . . sg10030.html ?

[13:45:19]

juski:

XLV: cp, rsync.. and lots of free space is the safest way by far ;-)

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RDV_Linux:

I use Ubuntu Jaunty and I think it was in the Ubuntu forums. Sorry ended up not using the method as the benefits did not seem important enough, I do use ext4 on new drives and it works very well so far.

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juski:

FWIW I wouldn't trust _any_ process which converts FS on the fly. YMMV ;-)

[13:50:18]

clever:

lvm can help too sometimes

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clever:

one time, i shank a fat32 by ~2gig

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clever:

then formated the free into lvm/ext2

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clever:

moved data over

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clever:

shrank fat32, and expanded the ext3(fragmenting it more), and repeated

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clever:

its ugly and slow, but doesnt need a 2nd drive with shitloads of room

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clever:

and in theory, can be done with any fs you can shrink/grow

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laga:

sounds like a waste of time

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clever:

depends on how much time it would take to get another drive in to do it normalt

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xand:

you can convert ext3 to ext4 using tune2fs

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xand:

ext4 is designed to be compatible with/migratable from ext3

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xand:

like ext3 is with ext2

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juski:

arghh! ENOBEER!

[14:55:04]

laga:

juski: oh noes!

[14:55:13]

laga:

juski: how could you let that happen?

[14:55:43]

juski:

panic over, beers found & put in the fridge

[14:56:00]

juski:

hey if I get made redundant I can do this every day!

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laga:

awesome

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juski:

course if I really wanted a career as a jobless bum I'd have to update my wardrobe

[15:05:56]

laga:

at least the beard will come with time

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hexa:

hello

[15:21:41]

hexa:

i got this issue with a skystar 2 pci dvb-s device (europe)

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hexa:

2009-05–31 16:36:58.783 DVBSM(0), Warning: Can not count Uncorrected Blocks

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hexa:

eno: Function not implemented (38)

[15:22:06]

hexa:

so i cannot playback any tv at all

[15:23:19]

Dibblah:

hexa: That's a warning.

[15:23:26]

Dibblah:

It's not the cause of your issue.

[15:23:57]

hexa:

#

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hexa:

2009-05–30 17:42:35.446 Preview Error: Previewer file '/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1012_20090530174231.mpg' is not valid.

[15:25:05]

Dibblah:

hexa: Stop pasting random sections of the log into the channel ;)

[15:25:11]

hexa:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/m6cec4930

[15:25:15]

Dibblah:

I would suggest pastebinning the entire output :)

[15:25:19]

Dibblah:

Like that. ;)

[15:25:25]

hexa:

was just on my way.. :)

[15:25:39]

Dibblah:

First Myth install?

[15:25:52]

hexa:

yes

[15:26:20]

Dibblah:

2009-05–30 17:43:37.541 DTVSM(0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(161) desired(160)

[15:26:29]

Dibblah:

Your channel configuration is wrong. Rescan.

[15:26:45]

hexa:

i did a complete transports scan

[15:27:28]

Dibblah:

How long ago?

[15:27:35]

Dibblah:

And could a channel have gone offline?

[15:29:09]

Dibblah:

Try running the backend with -v channel,record

[15:29:21]

hexa:

like an hour ago

[15:29:25]

hexa:

i suppose not

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Dibblah:

And then pastebin the mythbackend.log

[15:31:06]

hexa:

so i should try and watch tv now?

[15:31:09]

hexa:

or scan?

[15:33:58]

hexa:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/m546bbab3

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hexa:

this is me trying to watch tv

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wagnerrp:

AMAZING!

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juski:

if you've not scanned yet.... meh

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Gwayne:

Good morning/evening etc, how do I set VideoStartupDir for the backend server ?

[15:39:55]

wagnerrp:

insteam of Pushing Daisies, i recorded an hour of the god damned weather last night

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wagnerrp:

the entire recording, 10–11PM, the local ABC channel broadcast the weather instead of their regularly scheduled programming

[15:41:01]

** Gwayne chuckles **

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clever:

wagnerrp: i forgot to check what mine did

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GreyFoxx:

gwayne that's set by the mythvideo frontend plugin

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clever:

it worked:)

[15:43:28]

GreyFoxx:

run the FE, go to the video setup and it will be set

[15:43:51]

GreyFoxx:

It's the location where mythvideo is to look for content

[15:44:08]

wagnerrp:

sphery's got nothing on this one

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wagnerrp:

all he gets are annoying tickers

[15:44:27]

Gwayne:

GreyFoxx, Thanks I will gtry that, although I dont want a frontend

[15:44:40]

GreyFoxx:

you are not required to leave it running

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wagnerrp:

why do you need to set it for the backend?

[15:45:14]

GreyFoxx:

upnp video streaming

[15:45:19]

wagnerrp:

ah, right...

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Gwayne:

GreyFoxx, arg it complains about pulseaudio

[15:46:00]

wagnerrp:

anyone know what the implications of running 'mythtv' directly are?

[15:46:24]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, it doesn't really work right as it's a debug binary?

[15:46:36]

GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: It's just a debug tool. With no arguments starts livetv, with argumens will play the file passed

[15:46:56]

wagnerrp:

well last night i was considering using it instead of 'Internal'

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GreyFoxx:

no

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laga:

did you drink last night?

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GreyFoxx:

that would be bad :)

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kormoc:

what would it give you over Internal?

[15:47:29]

hexa:

Dibblah: are you still around?

[15:47:34]

wagnerrp:

specifically, i ordered a bunch of HDDVDs, and none of my chips are actually capable of decoding them in real time

[15:47:43]

Gwayne:

GreyFoxx, is there a otherway then to log in the frontend ?

[15:47:56]

GreyFoxx:

Gwayne: Edit the SL database directly ?

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wagnerrp:

if i could run mythtv, i could make some wrapper script that went into the database, and flipped the playback profile to one that used VDPAU

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GreyFoxx:

SQL

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wagnerrp:

and use that to play that filetype

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** Gwayne nods **

[15:49:05]

wagnerrp:

although it seems the more sensible option would be to try to modify mythvideo to do that internally

[15:50:23]

GreyFoxx:

I've ben happily suprised with vdpau lately. I've had it as my main profile for aweek so far with no problems

[15:50:31]

GreyFoxx:

my main problm rght now is dvd seeking/menus

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Gwayne:

GreyFoxx, Got it, thanks for the help ;)

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wagnerrp:

if only someone would invent a technology that would let you broadcast both the show and the weather at the same time...

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hexa:

would anybody mind helping me? http://mythtv.pastebin.com/m546bbab3 (this is mythbackend -v channel,record)

[16:06:34]

hexa:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/m6cec4930 this is a complete paste of all logfiles

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Loto:

anyone know if lirc+usbmce2 recieves only rc6 protocol or can it recieve any protocol?

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phunyguy:

#lirc

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Loto:

indeed,but its dead over there

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Loto:

just seeing if a idler knew

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Yeah, that's bad. At least when my channels decide the weather is more important than their regularly-scheduled programming, it's not /important/ shows (stuff like CSI: Miami, which is much better to miss than Daisies)

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sphery:

now I'm hoping I didn't tempt fate too much (as I haven't actually checked my Daisies recording, yet)

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joe-mac1:

anybody successfully getting audio from a CX28835 chip? i'm on the hvr-1800, compiled the latest drivers to be able to see video and that's working, but no tv apps will play sound. there are no special device nodes in alsa for this, so not too sure what to do about it

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squidly:

wagnerrp: can you remind me how I can check a files codec?

[17:28:15]

squidly:

mplayer --identify does not work (tyvm gentoo)

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kormoc:

ffmpeg --identify

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squidly:

kormoc: ty

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toma:

hello, in my mythweb i see some programs from the past that are still marked as 'currently recording', when i try to edit it, it says that the program does not exists. in which table do i look to remove them?

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wagnerrp:

squidly: it should work if you have that compiled in

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember if gentoo does by default

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stuarta:

toma: just restart the backend

[18:07:55]

toma:

stuarta: that worked, awesome, thanks a million

[18:11:08]

gbee:

stuarta: you are using radeon, or radeonhd?

[18:12:55]

gbee:

swapped fglrx for radeonhd the other day and the xvideo quality is noticeably worse

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sphery:

gbee: what chipset? the 780G takes a whole new approach and Xv is new to it (Mar 13 or so)

[18:13:53]

sphery:

780G requires DRI support to get Xv

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sphery:

and since that's the first one like that, they probably still have a lot of kinks to work out in the FOSS drivers

[18:14:30]

sphery:

(might be the same with other new chipsets, too)

[18:15:54]

gbee:

690g

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gbee:

RS690 to be precise

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sphery:

don't know that one, but I think it's the more traditional Xv...

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gbee:

sphery: I don't know for sure that the quality issues aren't due to the workaround I'm having to use just to get the frontend to render with mythbuntu – could be the case, which is why I'm wondering what quality is like for stuarta (since I can trust he knows the difference between a good and bad image)

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sphery:

Actually, looks like it's also a textured Xv chipset ( http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature )

[18:18:25]

sphery:

though it does have EXA

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gbee:

EXA is enabled atm, but I can try with XAA

[18:19:56]

gbee:

thanks for the link, first time I've seen that chart, although I was poking around the xorg website a lot this past couple of days

[18:20:15]

sphery:

And you're sure you've got Xv support in there (DRI properly setup)? If not, that would explain the poor vid quality

[18:20:24]

sphery:

yeah, I found that chart when trying to make my 780G work

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sphery:

xvinfo gives adapter information, right?

[18:21:21]

clever:

ive got some minor Xv problems here too

[18:21:39]

clever:

if i switch to the normal X server, Xv sucks alot of cpu

[18:21:43]

clever:

and xvinfo does show support

[18:21:56]

sphery:

gbee: it actually looks like the radeon driver may be better for that chipset, too

[18:22:40]

sphery:

(they're "backporting" a lot of the radeonhd code into radeon and rhd may actually get abandoned, so radeon isn't a bad thing)

[18:22:45]

gbee:

sphery: yeah, but it doesn't support HDMI audio

[18:23:30]

sphery:

ah...

[18:23:44]

gbee:

xv is definitely working btw, just that the picture quality sucks

[18:24:06]

sphery:

that's too bad... means my laptop is likely to have bad video once I get it upgraded

[18:24:38]

gbee:

and HD is currently out of the question for some reason, causes audio choppiness (even with the non-hdmi audio)

[18:24:57]

sphery:

(I can't do catalyst/fglrx driver, either, unless I hack it or AMD releases a "pure" 64-bit version :( )

[18:25:05]

gbee:

sphery: well I've not yet found anyone else complaining of poor quality, so it might just be me

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[18:25:28]

sphery:

at the rate I'm going on my upgrade, though, they may have all the bugs worked out before I finish. :)

[18:25:54]

gbee:

can't do catalyst since they dropped support in March, if I want to use a current distro/kernel/xorg etc I need to use radeon/radeonhd

[18:26:10]

sphery:

I'm guessing many people with the newer chipsets use catalyst

[18:26:16]

sphery:

who dropped which support?

[18:26:28]

sphery:

catalyst drivers dropped support for your chipset?

[18:26:29]

gbee:

but if I don't get the kinks worked out then I might just have to downgrade everything

[18:27:01]

gbee:

sphery: aye, in March they dropped support for a whole bunch of 'old' chipsets, not that my board was all that old >:(

[18:27:18]

sphery:

yeah, that's what I was thinking--that's not very old

[18:28:07]

sphery:

at least they're making specs available... Guess that just means you need either really new or really old (no intermediate) for AMD/ATI graphics.

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stuarta:

gbee: radeon

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, abqjp: You ever notice the timestamp/skipping screwups on HD-PVR with in-progress recordings?

[19:09:06]

iamlindoro:

jpabq, abqjp: Like, let a recording start, and watch it to the first commercial, and attempt to skip forward, and you'll find yourself several minutes back, but the timestamps displayed show time *later* than the point in the video

[19:09:15]

iamlindoro:

However, a completed recording skips properly

[19:09:33]

iamlindoro:

wonder if it might ring a bell with you since you've been working on the H264 parsing stuff

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abqjp:

iamlindoro, I have seen that behavior, but not in several months. Sounds like the position map is not being processed correctly when it has not been flushed to the DB yet.

[19:14:42]

gbee:

stuarta: I take it that the video quality is not noticeably worse than other systems, e.g. the Mac Mini?

[19:15:04]

stuarta:

not that i can tell, but it's hardly a fair comparison

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, OK. Well, will maybe give it a look sometime this week if I have a chance

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stuarta:

mini was connected to 37" tv, vs radeon to 19" 4x3 monitor

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stuarta:

btw. i _always_ use the open source drivers

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abqjp:

iamlindoro, I don't fully understand how that code works myself, but I have looked at it for other reasons. I have to send my "rev c1" back to Hauppaug, but if I can find some time when I am not recording anything, I will try and make it happen.

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, cool-- C1 still running strong for me

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gbee:

this would probably be noticeable, maybe ... ok, I'll do what I should have done before now, try mplayer or something without using the skip argb visuals stuff

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abqjp:

iamlindoro, Mine works okay 99% of the time, but I have had it lock up on me now 3 times. Each time, my office had reached 80F --- when I am not home and running the evaporative cooler. Decided it is time to get that rectified.

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, Understood. I've only re-introduced it to production again recently, so mine has been under much less stress than yours

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abqjp:

iamlindoro, I am running the latest beta firmware. I have not noticed any problems.

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abqjp:

Damn, but HD-PVR preview generation sucks the life out of my backend. The load on the machine is not that high, but a "--generate-preview" process will cause the frontend to complain that the backend has died. The backend is still running, so I assume the thread the feeds the frontend program info is just being starved out.

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gbee:

laga: any suggestion on how I should go about recommending additional packages for mythbuntu? e.g. libtime-format-perl – required for myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

[19:24:13]

laga:

gbee: file a bug report against mythbuntu

[19:24:25]

gbee:

k

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, I'm happy to only need to fall back to the HD-PVR, I'm really only using it for the premium channels, and mostly later at night stuff, so the backend has all the time in the world during the night to generate previews

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Redhammer_the_Ol:

hi, short question how can I find out what the analog capture device is that needs to go into the backend configuraion ? I have an analog capture card that will be fed by composite and need to provide an audio source, I have managed to record the line-in audio with the sound recorder but cannot find the device to hack into the box

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Redhammer_the_Ol:

oh I have just found that there is a ticket for 0.22 to do it via alsa

[20:05:22]

Redhammer_the_Ol:

looks like I have to try and configure oss capture I guess

[20:05:58]

Redhammer_the_Ol:

btw does anybody have a good recommendation for a capture card that works well with myth and linux, preferrably with SCART type input

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stuarta:

i'd be surprised if you find anything with a scart input

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Redhammer_the_Ol:

yes I fear so

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iamlindoro:

and that ALSA input ticket is like three years old... think it's mostly been left by the wayside as most people have moved away from using framegrabbers

[20:13:31]

iamlindoro:

(and those that haven't, should)

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stuarta:

modern masochism eh?

[20:15:20]

iamlindoro:

I wouldn't wish framegrabbers on anyone

[20:15:41]

iamlindoro:

So at the very elast it's not sadism :)

[20:15:43]

iamlindoro:

least

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gbee:

think the mythbuntu guys might just wish I'd never tried it, started writing down a few suggestions ;)

[20:17:33]

laga:

gbee: keep 'em coming.

[20:17:52]

gbee:

one or two are really ones for mythbuntu devs generally, the lack of basic GUI configuration tools that other distros such as Mandriva have had for years hurts the distro generally IMHO

[20:18:06]

gbee:

s/mythbuntu/ubuntu/

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gbee:

might even be persuaded to write some additions for the mythbuntu control centre

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laga:

\o/ :)

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gbee:

laga: the autologin checkbox in mcc is broken, is that a known problem?

[20:19:32]

laga:

gbee: AFAIK not

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gbee:

somehow I broke autologin and it's done entirely differently in mandriva so I'm not sure where to look, thought that mcc option would fix it but it hasn't

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laga:

gbee: auto login is a combination fo gdm config – /etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf or something like that? – and mythfrontend autostart is handled by ~/Desktop/Autostart AFAIK

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laga:

gbee: please file a bug report..

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laga:

gbee: this release was not as well tested, and i blame the users :)

[20:21:29]

gbee:

the dropdown for username only lists [disabled], applying the enabling of the checkbox does nothing and after a refresh it's unchecked again

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laga:

ew

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laga:

can't check right now, my myth box is in my other place

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laga:

s/in/at/

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gbee:

I'll open tickets tomorrow maybe, right now I'm still getting things working

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** laga still busy working as well **

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Redhammer_the_Ol:

hey ho thanks for the motivation on the frame grabbers

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stuarta:

ugh, damn virgin1 and their scrambling of shows across 4 different series

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Redhammer_the_Ol:

but what can you do when your local lovely cable company decides to scramble left right and centre with nds videoguard

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Redhammer_the_Ol:

and forces you back to screen capture

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Redhammer_the_Ol:

btw the hauppage pv 350 has scart in

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iamlindoro:

Redhammer_the_Ol, Use a hardware encoding capture device?

[20:25:44]

Redhammer_the_Ol:

nope

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iamlindoro:

uh.. yup

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Redhammer_the_Ol:

not at the moment

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Redhammer_the_Ol:

I am considering getting additional hardware though

[20:26:20]

Redhammer_the_Ol:

would really prefer if I were allowed to watch the content I pay for the way I want to

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stuarta:

s/scrambles/runs show from various different series....

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gbee:

laga: ~/.config/autostart/mythtv.desktop for the record, grep found it

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laga:

gbee: thx :)

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gbee:

mythfrontend was actually autostarting, so that bit I didn't need to modify, but I've slipped the XLIB_SKIP stuff in there for now

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laga:

gbee: ah, that can go into /etc/mythtv/*settings which is sourced by the wrapper

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gbee:

laga: ah, well wherever it works I guess :)

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laga:

;)

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beta_:

Hello all

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beta_:

Anyone know where I might find 6200ch.c compiled for OS X?

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stuarta:

it should just compile

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stuarta:

the whole of myth compiles on osx

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beta_:

I grabbed packages from thesnyderpad.com, so I wasn't sure I'd have the headers/libs to compile

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stuarta:

the osx-packager script d/l and compiles what you need

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iamlindoro:

6200ch relies on libavc1394

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stuarta:

once you have perl installed of course

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iamlindoro:

which is a linux only package AFAIK

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iamlindoro:

s/package/library/

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wagnerrp:

stuarta: could be worse... they could decide to just broadcast the weather instead

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iamlindoro:

ABC bitrate locally is kinda lowish, made last night's PD a little mushy looking

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iamlindoro:

2.9 GB/hr is not happy times

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iamlindoro:

Though admittedly moreso than an hour of weather :)

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th1:

quick question. If I write a script to renumber the channels in my database, (so each satellite starts on a specific offset etc), is it going to mess up something or is chan number only used for tuning in LiveTV?

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wagnerrp:

the channel number you see on screen is only used for your convenience

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wagnerrp:

as long as you change that identifier (and not the database index) youre fine

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th1:

wagnerrp, thanks a lot. do you know how it determines the numbers when I do a scan on a sat? some of them are completely mad like 18445 ;)

[22:07:47]

th1:

is it some encoding in the DVB tuning data?

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** gbee dreams about installing claymores along the roadside, to be detonated every time a deafening speeding motorbike goes past **

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iamlindoro:

This seems an ill advised time to mention that I had the extra-loud after market pipes put on my motorcycle

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kormoc:

and he has a need... a need for speed...

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iamlindoro:

talk to me, goose

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kormoc:

I love the low rumble of a good engine

[22:14:01]

kormoc:

Every time I start my current car, I get a smile, she's a low rumbler, 3.9l v6

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laga:

hum. allocating 1.8G on a desktop box with 2G of memory will result in *lots* of swapping

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kormoc:

laga, not if you turn off swap

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laga:

yeah.

[22:16:29]

laga:

i killed the app and turned swap off so things can swap back in ;)

[22:18:22]

laga:

now i'm waiting for firefox to be back so i can order more ram..

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gbee:

I know this isn't #git, but anyone know how to determine the current revision of a checkout/local repo?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, probably not exactly right, but git log -n 1

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iamlindoro:

?

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iamlindoro:

(which shows the last commit)

[23:32:07]

iamlindoro:

I can't wrap my head around the non-numeric revision thing, personally

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gbee:

neither can I

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gbee:

really need to learn git, trying to build some kernel modules but I haven't a clue what I'm actually doing with it

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gbee:

why are features I need always so new? I mean they only added hdmi audio support for the RS690 two weeks ago :/ Of course that's too late for it to be in the current release of any distro

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gbee:

does Ubuntu provide kernel updates? Probably not :/

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iamlindoro:

only within the same kernel

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gbee:

yeah, so no hdmi audio in Ubuntu until October at the earliest, I could wait a couple of weeks, but not 4–5 months, so build I must

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troldrik:

uhm... I'm using hdmi audio on jaundiced right now.

[23:48:42]

troldrik:

oh... ati.

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gbee:

with an RS690 based ATI?

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gbee:

yeah, exactly

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gbee:

works with fglrx, but fglrx dropped support for this chipset a couple of months back and thus doesn't work with Jaunty

[23:49:40]

gbee:

if that makes any sense

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iamlindoro:

ATI discontinuing support for a modern chipset will never make any sense

[23:50:28]

gbee:

yeah, I lost some of my goodwill towards them with that gesture

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gbee:

had they done it after the OS driver was complete, then fine, but to do it before then ...

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GreyFoxx:

hahaha Nice, so after 8 hours of dicking around in the DVDNAV code

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iamlindoro:

Sheesh, released barely 2 years ago

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GreyFoxx:

I change a 0 to a 1 and now I can't reproduce my seeking hang

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GreyFoxx:

It can't be this simple

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gbee:

hmm, so the date on this fresh git checkout of the drm repo is 11th May ... yet the mailing list clearly says that the change was pushed on the 18th ... so what damn branch am I looking for? :(

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iamlindoro:

guess it largely depends on which 0->1

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: heh yeah

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iamlindoro:

bool makeItWork = 0;

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GreyFoxx:

if (relativetime <= 1)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

changed it from a 0 to a 1

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GreyFoxx:

an so far no one lockup which I was able to reliably reproduce

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GreyFoxx:

we were getting our selves into a 1 second seeking loop

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gbee:

doh, maybe I don't need these modules, looked at the patch and it's to the userspace driver

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sphery:

iamlindoro: did you hear about Summer Glau/Dollhouse? http://www.tv.com/story/15171.html?ref_story_ . . . f_name=story

[23:59:26]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Hahaha, I totally called that a few weeks back

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GreyFoxx:

No way!

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet

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gbee:

since I'm already using that, the problem lies elsewhere and a howto I've found suggests it's just config related – as GreyFoxx said, it can't be this simple ;)

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sphery:

really... I had seen some people talking about Jewel Staite, but hadn't seen mention of Summer.

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: heh

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