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Saturday, May 30th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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vance4c:

what can I do to allow or force the bios to recognize it as a HDD

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iamlindoro:

I hate you, comcast. So very much.

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sphery:

so this wasn't your switching out routers?

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mchou:

vance4c: you dont

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casylum:

has anyone ever gotten 100's of frame sync errors while the backend was recording?

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mchou:

vance4c: you reformat the device to be usb-hdd

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Nope, just more downtime :(

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iamlindoro:

sphery, although I did order one of the Asuseseseseses

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sphery:

vance4c: based on the board name, I'm guessing it's an old one--Athlon XP era or so--and if so, a /lot/ of those don't boot from USB HDD's...

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sphery:

so it may just assume that any USB thing you try to boot from is a floppy

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mchou:

sphery: yeah, that too

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sphery:

iamlindoro: no way... Cool.

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sphery:

I haven't used one myself, but I heard a /lot/ of Open/dd-wrt users singing their praise

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mchou:

openwrt is da bomb

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sphery:

I'm an OpenWRT fan, myself

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Yes, seems like a nice bit of hardware

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sphery:

most others I know like the dd

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mchou:

enterprise features for fee :)

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mchou:

free*

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mchou:

I dont see what the appeal of dd-wrt is

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sphery:

it does have better integration of the web conf

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mchou:

bah

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mchou:

web conf

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mzb:

I use openwrt on an Asus wl500gp (v1) ... great little box

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vance4c:

I was afraid of that. So I have a theory is there a way to boot to a cd that has a kernel and some how switch to the usb drive

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mchou:

memory hog

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sphery:

I tried the built-in web conf on the new OpenWRT and it broke everything--had to reflash :)

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sphery:

I liked it better when it wasn't included.

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casylum:

Im having problems where the backend is hanging up because it is printing too many "frame sync error" messages to the log file

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mzb:

vance4c: you might want to triple check your BIOS settings, and try different combos of USB-ZIP, USB-HDD, ... etc ... they all have different requirements

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mchou:

sphery: served you right :)

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sphery:

casylum: what log level? IMHO, production Myth boxes should /never/ be run at higher than default (which is -v important,general or just don't specify any -v)

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casylum:

my log files went from 3mb to 216mb

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mzb:

(eg: to look like a ZIP disk you need a single partition as P4, rather than P1)

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casylum:

without any log level – just mythbackend &

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sphery:

casylum: otherwise, it's likely a very bad recording (signal issues on a digital capture card)

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vance4c:

mzb: thats my problem there is no setting anywhere with that distinction

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mzb:

take a look at some of the distros that have a USB-stick installer. syslinux also have some interesting docs on the matter

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mzb:

no "boot from usb" or similar?

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sphery:

casylum: so you'd need to find out what's up with your signal/capture card/...

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Pontiac:

I would look at the boot order in your BIOS and verify that it can boot from USB anything. If it can then you may be able to get your key to work. I do know that SOME keys will NOT work, period.

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casylum:

sphery: I use HD Homerun – ill run their configuration program and check it out

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vance4c:

mzb: no All I get is a line in the boot priority menu ans it calls it a floppy

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mzb:

if not, then you can use grub (for eg) to chainload. ie: boot from CD, chainload USB .... possibly

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sphery:

casylum: also--especially if in the US--do a new channel scan

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mzb:

so it recognises the usb-stick as a bootable device then?

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sphery:

lot of channels moving around with the "new, better--without any set schedule" digital TV transition

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Pontiac:

If there is no distinction, then your board will not boot from USB. I've got a P4B533 board, and she doesn't boot from USB, and she's only like 5 years old.

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mchou:

sphery: haha

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mchou:

sphery: there is a schedule

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mchou:

sphery: it just doesnt apply to cable

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mzb:

Pontiac: you've probably not waved your wand at the right time during the incantation ;)

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vance4c:

mzb: yes is also gets to grub and then freezes before the menu

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sphery:

Of 11 computers from the Athlon XP era, only 3 of mine actually boot from USB properly

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mchou:

sphery: 11??

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sphery:

mchou: tell that to my local CBS affiliate that just switched on some random day in May

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mchou:

sphery: you have too much HW

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mzb:

vance4c: ok ... try something like Ubuntu's boot from USB stick ... or perhaps Puppy Linux?

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sphery:

and /never/ even mentioned it in banners/scrollers/ads on the channel

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Pontiac:

mzb> My magic wand was broke that day, trying to get my other customers machines built and working virus free while trying to build that particular box. ;)

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sphery:

I did recycle a /bunch/ of them. Now I'm down to 6. :)

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mchou:

sphery: that's still too much HW

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sphery:

(I have 8 total, but 2 are actually newer :)

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mzb:

ah ... yeah. Reliable magic wands can be hard to come by ;)

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sphery:

yeah, my power bill agrees :)

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** mchou woud like to see sphery's electric bill **

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Pontiac:

Does anyone know how I can bump up the quality of the ASX stream?

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sphery:

I'm lucky that power is pretty cheap in FL

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sphery:

Pontiac: ASX is a text file that gives the URI to the original recording

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sphery:

so, bump the quality of the recording :)

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vance4c:

mzb: I have actually tried the Ubunt usb boot but I had better results with the mythbuntu install

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mchou:

sphery: I've consolidated 2 XP era machines into one c2d

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vance4c:

mzb: butI will try the puppy linux

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sphery:

Pontiac: though you may just need to enable deinterlacing in your media player

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mchou:

umm, make that 3 XP era

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sphery:

mchou: yeah, I'm considering doing that...

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vance4c:

sphery: thanks for that info

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Pontiac:

sphery> I'm talking about in the preview detail view within Mythweb.

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sphery:

in between right now.

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mchou:

sphery: best move I ever made

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sphery:

(in between big projects such as that)

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Pontiac:

The NUV is just fine, recording at 480x380 or whatever I set it to.

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vance4c:

thanks everyone for your help

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sphery:

Pontiac: for NTSC, you should use <something>x480. 720x480 for any PVR-x50/500 or--for lame grabbers--can do others, like 640x480 or 320x480

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sphery:

the PVR-xx0's don't really handle scaling well

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mchou:

bah

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sphery:

so 720x480 is the way to go

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mchou:

just go digital

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sphery:

or, that

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sphery:

digital is /much/ better quality

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mchou:

pvr-x50 tuners are lousy PQ

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Pontiac:

mchou> I'm still trying to decide on what tuner I want to get.

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mchou:

Pontiac: no need to decide. Pinnacle 800i

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waxhead__:

Pontiac: just buy whatever and punish yourself getting it working.. :)

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mchou:

best tuner on the market atm

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Pontiac:

waxhead__> LOL! Just what I need to do, is lose MORE hair. :P

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mchou:

xc5000 is da bomb

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Pontiac:

mchou> you got one?

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mchou:

I've got 4

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Pontiac:

Being used? heh

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waxhead__:

Pontiac: that's my excuse for the lack of it.. :)

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mchou:

yeah, being "used"

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waxhead__:

that and learning programming...

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sphery:

Pontiac: my solution: http://headblade.com/

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mchou:

Pontiac: alternatively, HDHR

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waxhead__:

my next thing to do is setup a mythtv frontend on an old laptop..

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mchou:

Pontiac: but stop dicking around

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mchou:

Pontiac: just go with one, you wont look back

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mchou:

Pontiac: meaning pinnacle/HDHR

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Pontiac:

sphery> Yes, I suppose that WOULD solve the losing hair aspect... But I'm rather fond of what I've got. :P

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mchou:

I'd recommend USB but I dont have experience with those.....

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mchou:

plus USB on mobos/chipsets are flaky

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mchou:

too many spontaneous usb bus disconnects

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sphery:

USB 3 should help

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Pontiac:

I'm trying to avoid USB.

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sphery:

no more polling by the CPU

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mchou:

usb is actually not a bad choice if it works

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mchou:

problem is most of the time it doesnt work

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mchou:

someone should make firewire tuners

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mchou:

I mean other than STBs

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mchou:

firewire tuners on a stick

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Pontiac:

Poop on a schteek.

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waxhead__:

hmm... I've lost all my scheduled recordings!

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waxhead__:

which is a bad thing..

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

waxhead__: netflix

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Pontiac:

Upcoming recordings, or recording schedules?

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waxhead__:

solves the problem with the conflicts on monday nights I spose...

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waxhead__:

upcoming recordings

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Pontiac:

(Via MythWeb anyways – Its my FAVORITE aspect of myth)

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waxhead__:

mythweb is pretty amazing....

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Pontiac:

You may have not lost everything. I ran into that.

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sphery:

waxhead__: nothing scheduled but rules enabled typically indicates a problem with the input connections

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waxhead__:

sphery: right...

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sphery:

did you just do the capture cards portion of that post?

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waxhead__:

sphery: that's what I'm looking at I suspect...

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sphery:

or did you do capture cards and video sources

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sphery:

or just video sources?

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waxhead__:

I can see recording schedules but nothing upcoming...

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waxhead__:

nope.. haven't touched that... all I did was reboot

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Pontiac:

Try editing one of the recording schedules, and re-apply it.

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waxhead__:

only because I changed a module option...

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Pontiac:

I had to do that tonight when I dropped my tuner and reconfigured it.

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sphery:

waxhead__: then I'd recommend doing the capture cards portion of it: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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Pontiac:

sphery> You got those bookmarked? heh

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sphery:

that one is in my browser history and bookmarks because I post it a /lot/ :)

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waxhead__:

sphery: do delete all and start again?

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waxhead__:

do I need to scan for channels though?

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sphery:

yeah, but just the capture cards

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sphery:

no, if you do capture cards, your video source and channels should stay in tact

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sphery:

if you do video sources, you'd lose channels

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waxhead__:

ok.. thanks...

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waxhead__:

just starting now

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waxhead__:

ok, when that's done, do I need to run mythfill?

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mchou:

nah

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mchou:

not unless the source ids changed

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mchou:

just see if futher recordings are scheduled

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sphery:

right

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waxhead__:

cooll.. they're back...

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sphery:

congrats

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sphery:

and your inputs should be 1–12, now

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waxhead__:

which now mean I can leave the house and I can watch the v8's tonight... :)

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waxhead__:

I'll have a look...

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sphery:

*smacks head* I should have watch the v8's

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waxhead__:

yep... inputs are numbers more sanely...

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waxhead__:

actually I can see where I got the inputs all screwed up... I deleted from hostname...

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waxhead__:

sphery: you in .au?

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casylum:

I updated the firmware on my HDHR and I rescanned the channels in mythtv-setup but my backend is still spitting out hundreds of "ac3 0x****** frame sync error" messages. I redirected the output by starting it as mythbackend > /dev/null but my system shot up to 100% cpu utilization and hung

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sphery:

yeah, only way to renumber is to delete all

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sphery:

nope, I'm in the US

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sphery:

(now the whole channel knows I'm one of those guys without a life who's sitting at home on a Friday night...)

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mchou:

haha

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sphery:

casylum: I'm out of ideas

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wagnerrp:

sphery: is that in addition to the users list already knowing that?... :)

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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casylum:

sphery: thanks anyways – I have never had any kind of problem like this before

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sphery:

I should change the Sent dates on my e-mails so that I have deniability

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sphery:

casylum: it may just be the broadcaster is having some serious problems right now

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waxhead__:

sphery: I'm at home on a saturday morning fixing up my mediacentre.. you're fine..

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wagnerrp:

bah, then youll be one of those annoying bastards whose emails are still at the bottom of the list house after theyre sent

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sphery:

might want to try just pluggin the antenna/cable into the TV

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sphery:

assuming you have a digital tuner in the TV

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jblack:

I wonder if casylum uses an amplifier, and if so, if he's overdriving the signal

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wagnerrp:

waxhead__: youre supposed to be home on a saturday morning... but youre supposed to still be in bed

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sphery:

yeah, unless you were home on Friday night and got bored and went to bed early

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waxhead__:

wagnerrp: well as pathetic as it is, I was fiddling with things in bed.. using the laptop....

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waxhead__:

so many things wrong with that...

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casylum:

in that case i will give it a few days and see what happens.

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mchou:

casylum: forget that

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sphery:

casylum: still worth asking in here again tomorrow or something--might actually find someone who has HDHR experience or who's in your local area

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waxhead__:

I've got to say though... things look pretty good at the moment.... means I can delay getting on to the roof and installing a the mast head amplifier...

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casylum:

jblack: i do have an amplifier right next to my antenna on the roof

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mchou:

casylum: there's no way all your channels will be screwed like that unless there's something wrong

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sphery:

that's true--I was assuming it's just one channel

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casylum:

the signal strength is 100% and the quality is around 75% on the readings on HDHR. I might be overdriving it but I dont think so. the odd thing is that mythtv still decodes and plays all the channels fine only it is generating an absurd about of these error messages

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sphery:

try turning off commflagging on the recording

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wagnerrp:

if your strength is 100%, you should be getting better quality than that

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mchou:

casylum: play back with mplayer

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sphery:

though commflag wouldn't do audio, so nvm

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mchou:

casylum: should also tell you about errors

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wagnerrp:

do you have a long coax lead off your antenna, or branch it multiple times?

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casylum:

this is my setup (ant) -> amp -> 35 ft coax -> 3 way splitter -> hdhr & tv

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mchou:

I dunno

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mchou:

3 way splitter

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waxhead__:

wagnerrp: yeah to both... it's a rental... the myth box is at the end of a long run, but it's split twice I suspect before it gets to the wall outlet, and I have a 4 way splitter out of the wall into the tuner cards in myth

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mchou:

casylum: I'd take out the splitter first

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mchou:

casylum: try that first b4 anything else

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mchou:

if life improves then you have your answer

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casylum:

sounds like i have some work to do

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waxhead__:

oh.. someone else has signal problems...

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mchou:

otherwise I suspect bad coax ciinectors

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mchou:

connectors*

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waxhead__:

my signal strength is reported at 50% on a good day.. nearly all channels are bewteen 48%-52%

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casylum:

yeah it seems like there is plenty to troubleshoot. I was just hoping to know why I could watch the channels fine but it was giving me a frame sync error?

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mchou:

waxhead__: splitters are not a good thing

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casylum:

waxhead__: with that signal strength that you have how well do your channels come in?

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waxhead__:

casylum: terrible some days... at the moment all channels aren't too bad...

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waxhead__:

hence, I'm going to put in the masthead amp

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waxhead__:

which means roof stuff, because in the house itself there are 4 outlets...

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mchou:

I dont think masthead amp is going to compensate signal loss on 4 way splitter

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waxhead__:

it's at the end of hte longest run that the myth box sits, and from the wall I have a 4 way splitter for my turner cards...

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mchou:

only way to compensate for loss on splitter is to get a powered amp/splitter

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waxhead__:

mchou: you don't think?

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waxhead__:

I'll tell you how it goes when I install it... I've already got the amp home... just need to install it...

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mchou:

waxhead__: look at sig strength w/o splitter first

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wagnerrp:

a masthead amp is intended to clean up and amplify the signal before a long coaxial run

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wagnerrp:

it probably doesnt have the power to drive a splitter

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waxhead__:

mchou: 50

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waxhead__:

%

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mzb:

I'm just rebuilding from trunk on 4 boxes, but one of them fails with: http://openpaste.org/en/14537/

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mzb:

any ideas?

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mchou:

waxhead__: how far are you from towers?

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waxhead__:

mchou: and that's a problem too... but one thing at a time...

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casylum:

waxhead__: just make sure if you are using a splitter that all of the outputs are terminated to prevent reflections on the line.

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wagnerrp:

mzb: clear your ccache and try again

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waxhead__:

thanks...

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casylum:

waxhead__: this page talks about what to consider when dealing with signal levels http://www.swhowto.com/VideoLoss.htm

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mzb:

wagnerrp: ok, thanks (might be an idea to include that in my "clean, build and install" script)

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wagnerrp:

if you ever run into problems compiling with ccache or distcc, thats the first thing to try

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waxhead__:

casylum: thanks...

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waxhead__:

ok outer ear... bbl

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mzb:

wagnerrp: clearing the cache didn't work

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wagnerrp:

you just have the one machine that wont build?

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mzb:

that's correct

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mzb:

oops, gtg bbl

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xanderp:

anyone know if there's a way to make mythphone's callerid stay on the screen longer? I made mythphone an extension on my asterisk pbx, and told it not to answer the phone, just to get callerid on the screen, but it pops up and fades away REALLY FAST...

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k-man:

is there a networked application for mythtv that will let you use the normal mythtv keys to control mythtv across the network?

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xanderp:

k-man, you mean like a 'widget' or something? You can control it with telnet if you want... not sure about the widgets though...

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Pontiac:

k-man> http://pastebin.ca/1440437

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Pontiac:

SSH/Telnet to your machine, run that script (perl remctrl) and you have control.

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xanderp:

k-man, actually, I do remember an app that was like a webpage remote control... not sure what it was called though...

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xanderp:

k-man, i'm sure if you google mythtv web remote control you will find tons of stuff...

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wagnerrp:

xanderp: mythphone has been abandoned, and dropped from trunk

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xanderp:

wagnerrp, :( crap.

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xanderp:

it's a REALLY easy way to show callerid from asterisk...

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wagnerrp:

k-man: you can control it with an open socket (like xanderp mentioned), mythweb has this built into a website

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xanderp:

just didn't know how to slow down the popup.

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wagnerrp:

xanderp: there is mythvosd which can be scripted to show callerid

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wagnerrp:

however you can only use that when video is playing

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xanderp:

wagnerrp, true dat...

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wagnerrp:

i believe there will be new capability in the new mythui which can make popups anywhere

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xanderp:

but if i'm not playing a video of some sort, i'm not having the mythtv on anyway...

[01:23:02]

wagnerrp:

dont quote me on that

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wagnerrp:

well what if youre scrolling through the menus, or using mythmusic or mythweather

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k-man:

Pontiac: bloody awesome!

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k-man:

Pontiac: did you write that?

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Pontiac:

No. Someone in here gave it to me.

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xanderp:

I have it on good authority that wagnerrp said "If there's not the capability in the new mythui to make popups anywhere I will personally not sleep until I have coded every line myself."

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xanderp:

WOW! that's awesome wagnerrp!!!

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xanderp:

;)

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wagnerrp:

erm...

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k-man:

Pontiac: that person deserves a medal and this script should be part of mythtv proper imho

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Pontiac:

IIRC, its somewhere on the WIKI as well, but not 100% sure. I can check the URLs in my history.

[01:25:05]

Pontiac:

I know it was a copy/paste from the web.

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k-man:

Pontiac: ill have a search around for it

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xanderp:

I further have it on good authority that wagnerrp said "And I will refuse to bathe or brush my teeth until this problem has been resolved!"

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wagnerrp:

i dont see any reason why such a script wouldnt be dumped into contrib

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Pontiac:

... and this is why we have a polution crisis?

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xanderp:

LOL!! I crack my sh*t up! :)

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k-man:

wagnerrp: yes, maybe it is in contrib already?

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sphery:

Isn't there a remote control web page in MythWeb?

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Pontiac:

There is, but its a lil' bit of a pain.

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wagnerrp:

the one in mythweb is point and click, this one pulls keyboard commands directly

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sphery:

ah, yeah, wagnerrp already told xanderp it was in MythWeb...

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wagnerrp:

certain buttons anyway

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wagnerrp:

but that can be easily modified

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sphery:

someone didn't read all his scrollback

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sphery:

now if only kormoc would actually convert MythWeb to Python, then Pontiac's script could be used in it...

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jamiem:

ew

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k-man:

that remctrl script is the most obvious way to control myth over a network

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Pontiac:

I can't help but pick up on the fact that promises have been made, but nothing has been delivered, and theres people teasing about it....... Not sure why i sense that. {smirk}

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k-man:

using the same keys as default

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sphery:

yeah, I agree... Having such a squirrel-ly setup for webmail was bad enough--I'd hate to have Python for MythWeb

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wagnerrp:

wait... squirrelmail switched to python?

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sphery:

maybe not

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sphery:

was it PHP?

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wagnerrp:

mine is a couple years old, but its php

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sphery:

It's been years since I set it up (and I leave it disabled--having only used it 2x in the last 5 yrs)

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sphery:

I knew it was one of the P languages

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k-man:

squirrelmail feels quite old and clunky to use nowadays imho (even though I still think its great)

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sphery:

Is there a better one?

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sphery:

I never liked Horde back when I set up Squirrel

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jamiem:

until their relatively recent muy-hack I'd have said Roundcube

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sphery:

don't know what Horde is called, now

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k-man:

i seem to recall an ajaxy webmail client that was free, but iirc at the time it was still very beta

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wagnerrp:

still horde groupware

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sphery:

I think most people are just switching to gmail

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sphery:

hmmm... thought horde changed their name

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sphery:

Oh, I'm thinking of IMP

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sphery:

heh, DIMP and MIMP :)

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wagnerrp:

we used to use IMP at school

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wagnerrp:

i enjoyed that program

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sphery:

from wikipedia: "The Internet Messaging Program or IMP is a popular[citation needed]..." Where would you get such a citation? Does anyone actually measure FOSS webmail program popularity?

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wagnerrp:

even had a text entry to choose from what address to send from

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wagnerrp:

then they changed to a new system that automatically used your login address

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wagnerrp:

ruined all our fun

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sphery:

why does that roundcube logo look familiar?

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sphery:

kind of XBox 360 familiar

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wagnerrp:

cant say it resembles anything for me

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wagnerrp:

muy-hack?

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sphery:

Guess I'll have to play all my XB360 games to see if I notice whatever I'm thinking of...

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Pontiac:

... oh... poor you. heh

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Pontiac:

Such a sacrifice. ;)

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

jamiem: what did you mean by that?

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jamiem:

wagnerrp: meh; it had a vulnerability last year or something

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jamiem:

but it was pretty bad

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sphery:

I thought you meant a big refactoring or something... bad vulnerability is much worse

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wagnerrp:

well that depends

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wagnerrp:

if nothing ever links to that page, there is no vulnerability

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wagnerrp:

rather hard to attach the darkweb

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wagnerrp:

s/attach/attack/

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wagnerrp:

i mean most of the crap on my website has never seen the light of a spider

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wagnerrp:

including whole subdomains

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wagnerrp:

although a subdomain would be simpler to target than an unreferenced subfolder

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sphery:

I've been quite surprised that I never seem to get any hits on unreferenced subfolders

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wagnerrp:

unless you can do a directory listing somehow, the only way to find them would be through random chance

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sphery:

guess it's not as fun to find hidden parts of the web as to find open ssh accounts or whatever--cause it wouldn't be that tough to run a dictionary attack on a web server

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

who has the time to bother on someone's personal webserver

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sphery:

but that's what they seem to do with ssh

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sphery:

that's true, too--mine is not a high-traffic (or, particularly interesting) web\ server

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wagnerrp:

unless someone has a personal grudge against you, all theyre ever going to try to do is botify you

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sphery:

though it is funny how many hits you get when you post a link to Trac

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sphery:

I'm still getting tons of hits for links from years ago (mainly robots)

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Pontiac:

if anyone were to go to my IP on port 80, they just get booted to google. heh

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wagnerrp:

i housed a website for my senior design project several years ago

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wagnerrp:

it as an RC heavy lift project, and i had a bunch of airfoils on the website

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wagnerrp:

most of my traffic is from google continuously scraping that directory

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

its just a bunch of ~1KB text files containing 2D coordinates

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sphery:

one of these days, I'll do up a real robots.txt and tell it not to index the miscellany

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wagnerrp:

but google just cant get enough of them

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wagnerrp:

seemingly random numbers! this must be important!

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sphery:

probably throwing the page rank calculator into fits... "It's just a bunch of numbers!"

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wagnerrp:

indeed, you search what google has on my site and you get those files, their computed polars (performance points WRT angle of attack), and a couple mathcad worksheets

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wagnerrp:

a bit of fortran source, more airfoil coordinates...

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sphery:

I heard the guy who figured out the pre-commercial pictures in Fringe was trying cryptanalysis on the numbers on your site.

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wagnerrp:

oh? those things actually have meaning?

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sphery:

yeah

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jblack:

everything has meaning, except for the stuff that don't.

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sphery:

http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/04/07/solut . . . lyph-cipher/ http://www.juliansanchez.com/2009/04/08/a-qui . . . r-follow-up/

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wagnerrp:

jblack: i dare say thats one of the things that 'dont'

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jblack:

I'm bored. Tongiht would be a good night for an alien invasion, or a zombie attack, or armageddon....

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wagnerrp:

you need some Bad Taste

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jblack:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092610/ ?

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wagnerrp:

its MST3K quality, and it knows it

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jblack:

Actually, that sounds like a cool flick. "A team from intergalactic fast food chain Crumb's Crunchy Delights descends on Earth, planning to make human flesh the newest taste sensation".

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sphery:

people got popplered?

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cesman:

lol

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jblack:

I'd retrieve that from backup if myth were working (I'm still stuck with that pitch problem), or if ubuntu would get around to fixing the DRI problem.

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wagnerrp:

it was done on a minuscule budget

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sphery:

jblack: intel vid card?

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jblack:

Toxic avenger bad, or "Stranded Bad".

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jblack:

The ubuntu issue with the laptop? Yeah. i845. They decided to skip jaunty and fix it in karmic. I could backport the kernel, but too much effort just to watch video

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wagnerrp:

more along the lines of Toxic Avenger

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wagnerrp:

dont know what 'stranded bad' is

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jblack:

the pitch problem is more annoying on the mythfrontend box is more annoying, and I haven't even come close to figure out what that is yet.

[02:00:05]

jblack:

Took me a while to realize it wasn't the audio controller burning out.

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sphery:

yeah, I totally understand why intel drivers are messed up in jaunty--they were a mess upstream

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jblack:

yeah. And there's fixes upstream now, but that would require bumps in some pretty heavy packages that they'd rather avoid.

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jblack:

they knew about it for three months before jaunty's launch. I think they should have downgraded until intel got in gear.. but hindsight's 20/20.

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sphery:

yeah--more work than it's worth

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jblack:

Yeah. That would have been a big pain. I'm completely empathetic. Understanding, but bored to hell. :)

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sphery:

yeah, and the older libdrm really wouldn't have been that bad for the distro

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jblack:

I'm sure there's good reasons they didn't downgrade prior to jaunty. that said, they could have said "If you have i845 video controllers, stay at intrepid".

[02:06:25]

jblack:

anyways, like I said, it's the myth box that's driving me crazy. That one was fine until a recent intrepid upgrade, and now the audio for myth is at far too high of a pitch.

[02:07:13]

sphery:

sounds like you have 32kHz audio and a sound card that only plays 48kHz audio

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sphery:

if so, you just need to set up a the (rate, among other things) conversion plugin, plug

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digita . . . .2C_Properly

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jblack:

I couldn't find that setting in mythfrontend, and mp3s work fine. In fact, all audio outside of myth is fine, including the same xvids, tv shows, etc.

[02:08:38]

sphery:

yeah, you have to configure ALSA

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sphery:

so either specify a "plug'ed" audio device string for your Audio Output Device in Myth or--better--create a logical device name in the ALSA conf and specify the logical device name in Myth

[02:09:45]

jblack:

that could make sense, if alsa used to have sane defaults, then after an upgrade, it no longer has sane defaults. Surprised that it would have different behaviours between discrete applications.

[02:10:09]

sphery:

And--really you should do this no matter what and if you do it, you might not even care to fix Myth for other rates--you probably want to change your recordings to use 48kHz audio

[02:10:37]

sphery:

is it an analog capture card?

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jblack:

two hdtv cards on a seperate back end that's been running a couple years. And like I said, it plays fine, on the same box, outside of myth.

[02:12:14]

sphery:

if it's HDTV, it's most likely 48kHz audio...

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sphery:

can you do an ffmpeg -i /path/to/some/recording/that/doesnt/play/right and see what it says for audio sample rate?

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jblack:

I'd check the frontend right now, but I'd have to go all the way across the room to turn it on.

[02:14:03]

jblack:

You do get, "all recordings/'backed up movies'/mp3s/etc" work fine outside of myth, and the pitch is only off within myth, right? (sorry if the redundancy is bothering you)

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sphery:

Also, you'll want to make sure you don't enable, "Use video as timebase: Use the video as the timebase and warp the audio to keep it in sync. (Experimental)," since it doesn't work

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jblack:

Perhaps I flipped that on on accident.

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** jblack boots up the front end. **

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sphery:

yeah, I get that--Myth does audio differently (kind of strangely) compared to most

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jblack:

if I'm lucky, this is the on in 10 boots in which the mce remote works. :)

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sphery:

and make sure you /en/able: "Extra audio buffering: Enable this setting if MythTV is playing 'crackly' audio and you are using hardware encoding. This setting will have no effect on MPEG-4 or RTJPEG video. MythTV will keep extra audio data in its internal buffers to workaround this bug."

[02:16:27]

GreyFoxx:

man I think I need to sit down and ready through the dvd+dvdnav code.... these dvd menu and playback issues are bugging me :)

[02:16:51]

sphery:

and /dis/able: "Aggressive Sound card Buffering: If enabled, MythTV will pretend to have a smaller sound card buffer than is really present. This may speed up seeking, but can also cause playback problems."

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: your doing so would make a /lot/ of users very happy :)

[02:17:51]

GreyFoxx:

for me it's been unstable since he last dvdnav merge...before that it was solid and minor menu glitches

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wagnerrp:

well roundcubemail is off doing something intensive on first login

[02:18:09]

wagnerrp:

i guess thats what i get for never deleting email

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jblack:

darn. no mce remote this time. I'll check those options and come right back

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jblack:

disabling "use video as timebase" resolved the problem. =)

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jblack:

I must have flipped it on accident.

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jblack:

Thank you, sphery.

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jblack:

no only if they'd backport a kernel so that I could get a working driver for the remote.

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jblack:

s/no/now

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Pontiac:

Oh this is going to be so freak'n NICE being able to watch my TV shows at work with ease.

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** iamlindoro frowns. A lot. **

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Pontiac:

?

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wagnerrp:

you switched to dial-up yet?

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Pontiac:

It'd probably be more stable.

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iamlindoro:

might as well, dialup 24/7 would still be more bits per day

[03:30:38]

iamlindoro:

but now I have a hot date with a comcast technician

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Pontiac:

... and you're frowning because............

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wagnerrp:

a big burly comcast technician

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iamlindoro:

never mind I talked with all the neighbors and we're all experiencing it and AVSforums is up in arms, takes a beating over the head to explain that it's regional

[03:31:26]

Pontiac:

Well, if thats the way he swings.....

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wagnerrp:

dun dun dun...

[03:31:47]

wagnerrp:

... another one bites the dust

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iamlindoro:

The particularly frustrating part is having to tear out the gear and hang it off a wall jack pre emptively to prove it's not just my complicated setup

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squidly:

ok this is wierd. I can play a mkv (blue ray) with the Internal Play, but I dont get sound. I use mplayer and I get sound.

[03:33:45]

squidly:

I'ave had prpblems with mplayer and myth before

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squidly:

any ideas?

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iamlindoro:

Since you say it's a blu ray and we *know* you must therefore own the blu ray, sounds like you should re-encode it using a different tool

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iamlindoro:

since of course you have the source material, I'm sure this will be easy

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squidly:

iamlindoro: I had to a get a friend to encode it for me, I think I'm just missing the codec in the Myth but I'm not sure where it would be.

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iamlindoro:

It's not windows, you don't just add codecs

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wagnerrp:

well whats the codec in the file?

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iamlindoro:

yes, what was the original codec, on what film, and what is the encoded codec?

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wagnerrp:

myth and mplayer both run off the same libavcodec decoders

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squidly:

wagnerrp: I know.. i'm trying to remember how to look at the codec my self

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iamlindoro:

What film?

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squidly:

wall-e

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg -i, mplayer --identify, midentify

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg -i yourfile.mkv

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iamlindoro:

and pastebin the results

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GreyFoxx:

I think it's time I pick up on of those LG HDVD+BR dvd drives

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, got one a few months back, *fantastic* drive

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GreyFoxx:

Remember the model ?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, flashed the firmware to get the VIDs for HD-DVD too

[03:38:46]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, GGC-H20L

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GreyFoxx:

col

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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iamlindoro:

can even flash the ROM with WINE

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wagnerrp:

are HDDVDs still common enough to worry about grabbing the AACS codes?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, a fair number of blu ray disks without BD+ too

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, And I guess it depends on you, I'm still buying a dozen or so a month at 3$ a piece

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squidly:

http://pastebin.com/d57f8a81f

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GreyFoxx:

yeah and some sites have them from less than $2

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GreyFoxx:

http://hddvdboxsets.com/

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iamlindoro:

tons of which still aren't out on Blu

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

8193 is DTS?

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squidly:

ok wtf.. my desktop can play the audio but not my frontend?

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iamlindoro:

plus, you can buy the HD-DVD for a few bucks, and get the Blu ray on the trade-in for the slipcover for a $5

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Pontiac:

squidly> You thought about looking at the softwares volume control?

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iamlindoro:

So for ~$8 you can own both the HD-DVD and the Blu ray for a ton of titles

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GreyFoxx:

nice

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squidly:

Pontiac: yea I did

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GreyFoxx:

hadn't heard about that

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wagnerrp:

HAHA... transformers special edition for $1.97

[03:42:44]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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squidly:

let me try again just for s&n

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squidly:

s&g's

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wagnerrp:

son of a bitch, you hit my impulse buy limit

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, http://red2blu.com/

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** wagnerrp slaps GreyFoxx around a bit **

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squidly:

wagnerrp: lol

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Thanks

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, So you buy the HD-DVD for $2–3, then you send in the slipcover and $5

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squidly:

Pontiac: yea it's up, cant play mp3's either though

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GreyFoxx:

I'll likely do that for a few of them

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wagnerrp:

thats only on Universal films right?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, np, it's also a flat shipping fee so it pays to get multiple done at once

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, WB

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wagnerrp:

ah

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iamlindoro:

It still came out to about 2 dozen disks for me

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wagnerrp:

mallrats on HDDVD hardly seems worthwhile

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squidly:

lol

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linagee:

did TV run out of shows again or something? :-/

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, but the fortune teller would look so much better in HD!

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wagnerrp:

all three of 'em?

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squidly:

linagee: tv alwyas is out of shows ;)

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, exactly

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linagee:

squidly: it makes me wonder what's in the listings. nothing but repeats most likely. :(

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm that drive might be discontinued?

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squidly:

linagee: yea pretty much

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GreyFoxx:

for some reason I also thought the drive was closer to $100 heh

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squidly:

iamlindoro: wagnerrp did you guyes see my pastbin?

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linagee:

squidly: I can't belive how crappy sci-fi channel fridays have become. LOL

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Still at newegg

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136154

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squidly:

linagee: sci-fi-channel? You mean comcast didnt try to kill it again?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, $97

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linagee:

squidly: their website still exists anyway. lol

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squidly:

linagee: heh

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linagee:

squidly: maybe that's why they have no shows. no funding. hah

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, $65 open box

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linagee:

no writers, no funding, no shows.

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GreyFoxx:

Nice

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squidly:

grr

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GreyFoxx:

yeah this looks good

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squidly:

I really need to fix my gentoo box (ie wipe it and install xubuntu on ti)

[03:49:05]

wagnerrp:

aww... Apollo 13 is $7.50

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squidly:

linagee: heh

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linagee:

squidly: it wasn't worth it compiling all of your binaries from scratch? ;)

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wagnerrp:

you know... this last 750GB isnt going to last very long

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Pontiac:

Apollo 13... Free. Recorded off my framegrabber.... err... $7.50 is worth it. heh

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squidly:

linagee: you mean breaking all my stuff on me, the only reaon I have not been cracked is my desktop is beind a server where the only access to it is via Console or vpn, and I have been unable to update for about a year thanks to protage breakage

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wagnerrp:

Pontiac: ive already got it on DVD

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iamlindoro:

SD is for sucka

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iamlindoro:

s

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squidly:

iamlindoro: hah

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squidly:

iamlindoro: yea it is.. now that I have ssen the difference between HD and SD

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squidly:

Dark Knight in 1080p.. better then the movies!

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wagnerrp:

well that depends on what 'movies' you went to

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kormoc:

cinarama!

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Pontiac:

Dark Knight in IMAX would be pretty damned cool.

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squidly:

heh

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wagnerrp:

not to mention they released it in 4K cinemas too

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Pontiac:

grrr.. the ASX stream keeps crashing... and I CAN'T fast forward. {grumbles}

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Pontiac:

Bed time anyways.

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kormoc:

the asx stream isn't really a stream so much as just sending the file raw over

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iamlindoro:

Dark Knight on blu *is* the IMAX print in fairly substantial chunks

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but at considerably lower quality

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iamlindoro:

I saw digital projection, but must say that I enjoy it more on the big projection screen at home

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Pontiac:

Ahh.. So that would explain a few things. Sometimes just downloading the file craps out on the LAN side of things.

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squidly:

wagnerrp: is correct

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wagnerrp:

batman begins is still $10.40

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squidly:

wagnerrp: is it ok for me to past 4 lines in here?

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iamlindoro:

no

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squidly:

ok

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wagnerrp:

rules say 2 max

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squidly:

thus why I asked before pasting :D

[03:58:09]

squidly:

http://pastebin.com/d56331b94 that is my mythfronend log when I open up wall-E

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wagnerrp:

blazing saddles in HD... another one that i doubt the film copy is quite up to spec

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It's not too bad

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Looks pretty watchable... spartacus on HD-DVD is definitely a bit rough

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iamlindoro:

the fact that it's a telecine instead of a scan is quite evident

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wagnerrp:

oh? why'd they do that?

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iamlindoro:

shovelware, I'd imagine

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wagnerrp:

no good quality film original left?

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iamlindoro:

Think they were just going for sheer mass of releases, it was an early release, no real "mastering" to speak of

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wagnerrp:

i presume theres no need to worry about FS/WS

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iamlindoro:

nope, no need to worry

[04:01:46]

wagnerrp:

2001 still at full price...

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iamlindoro:

I got 2001 for $3ish

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squidly:

wagnerrp: 2001 will always be at full price

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iamlindoro:

hddvdboxsets is more or less a clearinghouse for multiple amazon sellers

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iamlindoro:

so you're just seeing the lowest available from the various sellers, sometimes you just need to keep watching a title

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wagnerrp:

the Departed is $4, the DVD/HDDVD combo pack is $2.82

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iamlindoro:

1 of 2001 – A Space Odyssey [HD DVD], $3.98

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iamlindoro:

(from my receipt)

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wagnerrp:

theres a couple of these where the combo packs are cheaper than the HDDVD only version

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squidly:

i think i know where to look now ty all for listening to me :D

[04:06:03]

wagnerrp:

the shinnin'... i should get that for my sister

[04:06:22]

wagnerrp:

aww... $14.50 for Sahara

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why that movie did so poorly

[04:07:05]

wagnerrp:

its just a fun action movie

[04:08:24]

wagnerrp:

ooh, girls gone wild: sexiest moments ever, volume 2!

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iamlindoro:

Unfortunately a lot of the HD-DVDs online have been picked over a bit now

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iamlindoro:

There are still *thousands* in a row at the local Fry's

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its not worth a 2hr drive for me

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iamlindoro:

No guarantee they'd be there anyway, they started here so I think we see a fair amount of merchandise that never makes it to the nationwide stores

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iamlindoro:

There are 8 of them < and hour from here

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iamlindoro:

er an hour

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wagnerrp:

last i checked, the nearest one was in indianapolis

[04:12:09]

iamlindoro:

Why oh why are their 4,000 stargate series and we can't get a Farscape followup?

[04:12:42]

iamlindoro:

Look, all I'm asking for is a second Farscape series, written by Joss Whedon, and starring Jewel Staite, is that so hard?

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wagnerrp:

so 20 movies plus i have to get a drive... i guess thats good for now

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iamlindoro:

Hehe, at last my harping on cheap HD-DVDs has borne fruit :)

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wagnerrp:

anydvdhd should handle the disks, modded firmware or not

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iamlindoro:

yep

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robbins61:

you think myth will incorporate the new hulu desktop app?

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iamlindoro:

And you don't need to mod the firmware in linux, it just adds convenience

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robbins61:

that would be sweet

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wagnerrp:

how could it?

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iamlindoro:

robbins61, The one with no linux version?

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Pontiac:

L8r folks.

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robbins61:

iamlindoro, yes sir

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iamlindoro:

20 GOTO LAST THING WAGNERRP SAID

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linagee:

iamlindoro: farscape is too expensive. ;) it's all about cost

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wagnerrp:

my can incorporate the hulu desktop app right now, assuming it runs under wine

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iamlindoro:

30 FAIL

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linagee:

iamlindoro: moving muppets around is costly! lol

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wagnerrp:

myth

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robbins61:

wagnerrp, i'm not having much luck with it in wine

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iamlindoro:

myth will *never* incorporate anything that requires WINE

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robbins61:

I meant using their servers/technology

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iamlindoro:

it's about as likely to get included as MS Office

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: thats not to say you cant added a cheap little mod to the menu to call an external program

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iamlindoro:

robbins61, Not unless they reverse course on allowing outside apps and make an API available

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linagee:

myth confirmed! :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, of course, but you could do that for MS Office too

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wagnerrp:

sure, but then you have to type everything out with the remote

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iamlindoro:

And the way the question was phrased, sounded like asking if Myth as distributed would include it, which is a no

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iamlindoro:

between Myth not being willing to scrape/violate ToS and Hulu being antagonistic to outside viewers, that's a pretty big "no"

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robbins61:

MythVODKA looksl ike it will stream hulu

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wagnerrp:

it did, before, kinda

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iamlindoro:

a) it's broken, b) it'll never be an official plugin

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wagnerrp:

but thats as broken as boxee

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linagee:

MythHulu module? :)

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robbins61:

lame

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robbins61:

hulu desktop looks awesome

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robbins61:

how well does mythfrontend work in windows?

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iamlindoro:

it limps along, allegedly, but has a few major problems

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linagee:

robbins61: why would you want to run windows though?

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wagnerrp:

buggy, but recently updated

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robbins61:

linagee, i don't.

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wagnerrp:

so then why pose the question?

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robbins61:

because hulu desktop only runs in windows ATM

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linagee:

does it run in wine?

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robbins61:

linagee, i'm having no luck

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wagnerrp:

does it run any faster than hulu: the website?

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linagee:

lol

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iamlindoro:

hulu: the dessert topping? Hulu: The Flame thrower (the kids love this one)?

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kormoc:

hulu desktop is os X as well

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wagnerrp:

can get get liquid hulu?.... may the hulu be with you....

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linagee:

iamlindoro: I don't get it... Why not put TV content on youtube or something? lol

[04:25:11]

linagee:

iamlindoro: what is hulu actually bringing to the table? hah

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kormoc:

Legality?

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iamlindoro:

Turns out Myth has a DVR built in

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iamlindoro:

and I can record in much higher quality pretty much everything on Hulu

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linagee:

kormoc: and this is something youtube can't copy?

[04:25:50]

kormoc:

right now, nope

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iamlindoro:

So for me personally, no interest in Hulu

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wagnerrp:

looks like that drive is the cheapest HDDVD on newegg anyway

[04:27:12]

iamlindoro:

i'll watch my 8 GB/h copies of dollhouse rather than the 360p (yay for making up resolutions!) on Hooloo

[04:27:22]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, If you are down for it, the open box is a best buy

[04:27:26]

iamlindoro:

$65

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wagnerrp:

i like my warranties

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wagnerrp:

8GB/hr eh? my local FOX does like 4.5

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iamlindoro:

Fox and the CW are great bitrate of late

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iamlindoro:

ABC, NBC and CBS are a little less so

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sphery:

yeah, my fox up'ed their bitrate

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wagnerrp:

my NBC and CBS do pretty well, ABC less so

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iamlindoro:

yeah, ABC is the worst of the networks for me

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sphery:

and my CW dropped theirs a bit (to add a 2nd subchannel that's basically all movies)

[04:29:08]

sphery:

but it's still very good bitrate

[04:29:16]

sphery:

yeah, ABC hasn't up'ed theirs

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wagnerrp:

sphery: THIS TV?

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sphery:

must be the whole Disney thing

[04:30:27]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah

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wagnerrp:

my local FOX carries that one

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sphery:

I hadn't yet watched any of the shows on it, but I've recorded a buncyh

[04:30:53]

sphery:

just started one and it's this

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sphery:

wonder why it's on my CW station and on your Fox

[04:31:44]

iamlindoro:

My local ABC affiliate just added an HD subchannel recently, that's an odd one

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wagnerrp:

its an independent

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iamlindoro:

it's this odd lifestyle channel

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iamlindoro:

http://www.livewellhd.com/index

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iamlindoro:

Appears to also be an ABC-owned channel, but interesting to see the HD subchannel

[04:33:25]

wagnerrp:

expensive month... $200 in parts, $200 for movies

[04:33:29]

linagee:

Why does everyone pay cable companies to take satellite broadcast and package it into one wire? Couldn't you just receive the satellite broadcasts yourself and cut out the middle man? lol

[04:33:31]

sphery:

at least they're actually using the bandwidth. Mine jnust has a /very/ low-quality/low-bitrate 24-hr weather channel

[04:33:35]

wagnerrp:

which reminds me, its the end of the month, i need to pay my CC bill

[04:34:29]

linagee:

how much content do cable companies load from tapes/etc versus just restreaming from satellites?

[04:34:36]

iamlindoro:

linagee, Network television syndicates via Ku-band, which means a 3 meter dish

[04:34:53]

linagee:

iamlindoro: 1 3 meter dish for 1 neighborhood. doesn't seem that bad.

[04:35:05]

iamlindoro:

or just be a human being and put up an antenna

[04:35:15]

iamlindoro:

and it's illegal to rebroadcast

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sphery:

linagee: you do realize that's exactly how cable companies got started

[04:35:23]

linagee:

iamlindoro: that's true... with ATSC..... who needs cable. lol

[04:35:26]

iamlindoro:

which means BUDs for everyone, plus a several thousand dollar IRD

[04:35:30]

iamlindoro:

plus a remodulator

[04:35:47]

iamlindoro:

So a $10k investment in watching what I can get with rabbit ears seems... ill advised

[04:35:48]

linagee:

sphery: how did they morph into the hideous monster we know them as today? lol

[04:35:59]

sphery:

a group of homeowners set up a shared antenna on a huge tower and each paid a portion for installation/maintenance, then they added satellite dishes, then they expanded

[04:36:18]

sphery:

(vastly oversimplified, but that's the gist of it)

[04:36:18]

linagee:

iamlindoro: $10k on a 5 year loan divided by a dozen neighbors. that seems like a buck or two a month compared to $30+

[04:36:28]

iamlindoro:

linagee, *illegal*

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iamlindoro:

and check your math

[04:37:27]

linagee:

iamlindoro: rough estimates.

[04:37:43]

sphery:

yeah, anymore if you want to rebroadcast, you have to license content--they've come a long way in enforcement since the '80's

[04:37:49]

iamlindoro:

very rough

[04:37:50]

linagee:

iamlindoro: I'm saying in large enough quantities it's possible to get it down to a buck or two a month

[04:38:16]

iamlindoro:

It's still illegal and stupid, given ATSC

[04:38:17]

wagnerrp:

thats $1K over 60/mo, plus whatever your loan interest is, hardly a buck or two

[04:38:20]

linagee:

sphery: damned layers

[04:38:22]

linagee:

lawyers

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sphery:

in large enough quantities, you have to get a billing department, collections department, maintenance department, ... then it's no longer a couple bucks a month

[04:38:54]

linagee:

sphery: ew no way. web based system

[04:39:09]

** iamlindoro sighs **

[04:39:10]

linagee:

sphery: billing department = billing.php (or your favorite language)

[04:39:15]

wagnerrp:

web programmers, system operators

[04:39:17]

sphery:

but, for those who are happy with OTA (and the $0/mo bill), how much cable companies charge isn't a concern :)

[04:39:29]

iamlindoro:

it becomes all too clear very quickly who has never handled a large scale commercial operation

[04:39:34]

wagnerrp:

a couple CPAs to actually manage the billing and tax code

[04:40:04]

sphery:

and a contract with an off-shore tech support call center

[04:40:32]

wagnerrp:

a lawyer to prevent you from going to PMITA prison

[04:41:17]

iamlindoro:

a few hundred thousand in permit applications and FCC license fees

[04:42:12]

wagnerrp:

well if youre setting up cable, you just have to pay the linesmen and the local township

[04:42:30]

iamlindoro:

Still need a permit to operate from the FCC

[04:42:48]

wagnerrp:

for cable?

[04:42:55]

iamlindoro:

I worked in a small headend in the northeast and we needed FCC licensing to operate the *in-building* headend

[04:42:59]

wagnerrp:

oh wow! $62 S&H

[04:43:17]

sphery:

not to mention the whole money to fight the incumbent monopoly's trying to prevent your entry into the market

[04:43:20]

linagee:

how many "home run" cables does a typical neighborhood have? just one really good cable, or several home run cables?

[04:43:51]

linagee:

(home run in this case meaning from the pole all the way back to the cable company)

[04:44:00]

iamlindoro:

depends on the neighborhood and the services offered, but more than one

[04:44:25]

iamlindoro:

and it's not *quite* straight back to the cable co, but to the node, which in turn would go back to the Cable co

[04:44:48]

linagee:

iamlindoro: and what is a node? just a fancy cable splitter? lol

[04:45:11]

iamlindoro:

sort of like a substation

[04:45:27]

iamlindoro:

http://www.cablelabs.com/news/primers/cable_system_primer.html

[04:45:57]

iamlindoro:

In network terms, it's a lot like where you would put a switch

[04:46:04]

linagee:

wow that doesn't say much at all. lol

[04:46:14]

linagee:

iamlindoro: so a splitter? some sort of fancy splitter with an amplifier?

[04:46:20]

iamlindoro:

No, not a splitter

[04:46:26]

iamlindoro:

like I said, more like a switch

[04:46:42]

iamlindoro:

prevents the need to broadcast everything to everyone

[04:46:55]

iamlindoro:

and leaves space open on a per-node basis for internet and VOD

[04:47:16]

iamlindoro:

6 Mhz = 1 channel = 38 Mbit

[04:47:25]

iamlindoro:

125 channels on a system

[04:47:27]

linagee:

iamlindoro: cable modem head end equipment is located at nodes?

[04:47:34]

iamlindoro:

if you had to run everyone's internet and VOD off of that, you'd be screwed

[04:47:50]

iamlindoro:

linagee, some of the equipment is located at the node, some in the headend

[04:48:17]

iamlindoro:

node will include QAM modulators, fiber receiving equipment, an uplink to the headend, and what's called a BMS

[04:48:38]

iamlindoro:

as well as various pieces of equipment for the upstream peer for your cable modem

[04:48:42]

linagee:

iamlindoro: why are some of the houses darker than others? is this diagram trying to be racist or something? hah

[04:48:53]

** iamlindoro sighs **

[04:49:02]

iamlindoro:

back to doing something interesting, like watching paint dry

[04:49:22]

sphery:

I'm watching Numb3rs, which is almost as interesting.

[04:49:52]

linagee:

sphery: do they solve the crime every time at the end? :)

[04:50:06]

kormoc:

yes, with a random formula none the less

[04:50:13]

iamlindoro:

Not true

[04:50:15]

kormoc:

the killer will strike here!

[04:50:18]

iamlindoro:

sometimes it's a two-parter ;)

[04:50:21]

** kormoc laughs **

[04:50:47]

linagee:

I love how numbers *tries* to be real sometimes. lol

[04:51:25]

linagee:

I think numbers is guilty of the "non-existant IP address" crime. We traced down the criminal! He's at 345.21.5.10!

[04:51:28]

sphery:

the best part is watching all their experiments--like when one of them is riding a (stationary) bike in an office with a fan blowing on him to do aerodynamic/wind-tunnel testing

[04:51:50]

wagnerrp:

sphery: wasnt he tilting it side to side?

[04:51:54]

sphery:

yeah, I think they do those IP's for the same reason they do 555 phone numbers

[04:52:19]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, something like that--just remember it being a very bad experiment

[04:52:27]

wagnerrp:

so use a local address

[04:52:33]

wagnerrp:

like a 127 or 192.168

[04:52:43]

linagee:

numbers is good in theory, but exaggerated by hollywood. in theory, you can probably get a bunch of mathematicians in a room and solve crimes faster. but it's hollywoodized that they're able to solve them so fast and with such consistency. LOL

[04:52:46]

kormoc:

"He's at 127.0.0.1"

[04:52:46]

iamlindoro:

OH GOD! He's in the house!

[04:52:56]

kormoc:

He's you!

[04:53:01]

sphery:

lol

[04:53:05]

linagee:

He's in your computer!

[04:53:07]

sphery:

but even a set-aside might get you a real computer on the network

[04:53:25]

sphery:

sure, you're hacking your own network at that point, but...

[04:53:28]

wagnerrp:

in practice, they dont have the budget or the time to be wasting those genius mathematicians on individual cases

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sphery:

It will be interesting to see what they do with IPv6 addresses once we've all switched

[04:53:47]

linagee:

wagnerrp: unfortunately crime solving is a business like any other. lol

[04:54:03]

linagee:

wagnerrp: spending $100,000 trying to find a criminal that stole $1,000 does not make sense. hah

[04:54:13]

wagnerrp:

i was flipping through the channels and came across The Marine

[04:54:30]

wagnerrp:

one of the cops was driving a car with the bumper sticker, 'contributed by your local drug dealer'

[04:55:57]

linagee:

have you ever noticed on numbers that they never go too deeply into what the father does all day long or for a living? (or what he did do for a living if he's retired)

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iamlindoro:

Sure they have

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linagee:

he plants in the garden? lol

[04:56:23]

iamlindoro:

he started retired, and then in the course of the series mentioned he was doing some architecture consulting

[04:56:48]

sphery:

and he was a civil(?)/mechanical engineer

[04:56:49]

linagee:

iamlindoro: I suppose you can infer that he was an architect, but not necessarily assume that

[04:57:02]

iamlindoro:

linagee, except for the parts where thye've *actually said so*?

[04:57:07]

mzb:

wagnerrp: back now (my presence required for house hunting;) ... now about the build problems?

[04:57:21]

jblack:

I figured out how to get this topseed remote work. The trick is to unplug it before boot, and then plug it in during boot

[04:57:28]

linagee:

iamlindoro: he just seems so useless. :)

[04:57:35]

iamlindoro:

He's the moral compass

[04:57:46]

sphery:

Former L.A. city planner.

[04:57:51]

linagee:

I thought he was the comedic relief. :)

[04:57:53]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Eppes

[04:57:56]

mzb:

hmm ... only one of the frontends built without issues. 1st & 2nd ones failed :(

[04:58:06]

iamlindoro:

Don listens to his father, Charlie listens to Viggo the carpathian's bitch

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linagee:

lol

[04:58:23]

iamlindoro:

they both serve the same purpose to a different brother

[04:58:34]

wagnerrp:

earlier tonight, i was looking at that article about the code in Fringe

[04:58:45]

mzb:

#2 didn't do a distclean .. will start that one again

[04:58:56]

wagnerrp:

and the author mentioned using some code from some professor Eppstein from some school in California

[04:58:59]

linagee:

wagnerrp: did you compile the code? :)

[04:59:14]

wagnerrp:

and for a moment... i thought wait, isnt he a fictional character on a TV show

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linagee:

wagnerrp: fiction + fiction = good profit. :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, when I read that article, I didn't even notice the closeness to Numb3rs

[05:00:14]

iamlindoro:

god help me, I think Fox is my network of choice for this year

[05:00:23]

iamlindoro:

They kept the most of my shows

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linagee:

wouldn't it be hilarious if they flashed some code on a show and if you actually tried to compile it, it turns your computer into a botnet or something? lol

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iamlindoro:

and ABC is on my naughty list

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sphery:

I've heard that ABC is having a sci-fi frenzy next season

[05:00:49]

iamlindoro:

linagee, Are you related to clever or dustybin perchance?

[05:00:51]

kormoc:

cause botnet code is only a few lines?

[05:01:00]

iamlindoro:

distant cousin?

[05:01:07]

iamlindoro:

long lost brother?

[05:01:07]

mzb:

wagnerrp: so after a ccache -C, I'm still getting: http://openpaste.org/en/14542/

[05:01:12]

linagee:

kormoc: it only takes a few lines to initiate a download of one.

[05:01:31]

linagee:

kormoc: and if such a download command was obfuscated, you'd never know

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sphery:

sudo apt get linagee-botnet

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Seriously, this doesn't seem familiar to you?

[05:01:55]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, it totally does

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linagee:

who is dustybin anyhow

[05:02:18]

iamlindoro:

you probably know him as "cousin ____ from the UK"

[05:02:53]

rooter7:

Just installed a new projector, but colors in Myth are all messed up. Red is swapped with green, and yellow with blue. The KDE desktop is just fine, as is the preview pic in Myth.

[05:03:05]

sphery:

mzb: -fixes or trunk?

[05:03:13]

mzb:

trunk

[05:03:13]

rooter7:

-fixes

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sphery:

mzb: best advice I can give, then, is if you're compiling with --enable-symbol-visibility , try compiling without (make distclean; configure ... ; make)

[05:04:26]

mzb:

no, not specifying that

[05:04:48]

sphery:

rooter7: before installing the projector (whatever you were connected to), were colors messed up? or did you try with anything other than the projector?

[05:05:17]

sphery:

rooter7: it sounds like you have a broken build (i.e. one where someone messed with cpu/arch/tune options and broke the build so it doesn't have MMX support)

[05:05:29]

rooter7:

It'd been a while since I've had a PJ, but that one was fine.

[05:05:33]

mzb:

doing $ make distclean && ./configure && make (with a script)

[05:06:06]

sphery:

rooter7: actually, that's backwards... The preview window would be messed up but Xv code shouldn't be...

[05:06:09]

rooter7:

I did compile it over NX on a remote desktop.

[05:06:35]

linagee:

mythtv over nx? lol

[05:06:41]

sphery:

rooter7: so I'd guess it's a problem with your video card/video driver configuration or the projector settings/EDID info.

[05:06:46]

rooter7:

nah, just the compile

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iamlindoro:

rooter7, You're not running any alternate repository of myth, are you?

[05:06:55]

iamlindoro:

or any patches?

[05:06:58]

iamlindoro:

if so, which?

[05:07:00]

rooter7:

I watch Myth through a reverse SSH tunnel remotely.

[05:07:11]

wagnerrp:

that sounds painful

[05:07:29]

linagee:

what is a "reverse SSH tunnel"?

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rooter7:

nah, transparent. Ehm, running with VDPAU patches of course.

[05:07:44]

wagnerrp:

you SSH in, and send X back

[05:07:45]

iamlindoro:

linagee, the grownups are talking

[05:07:54]

wagnerrp:

awkward way of saying things

[05:07:55]

iamlindoro:

remove the VDPAU patches

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linagee:

wagnerrp: sounds like a normal SSH tunnel to me

[05:08:07]

wagnerrp:

linagee: it sure does

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iamlindoro:

try with clean myth

[05:08:14]

rooter7:

Good point. I can also just try Slim first..

[05:08:42]

iamlindoro:

in any case, you need to get your support from Jean-Yves Avenard if you have his patches applied, we can't provide any support for myth with them here

[05:08:44]

sphery:

ah, yeah, my comments were only applicable to a -fixes build, not a trunk-that-some-call-fixes build

[05:08:48]

rooter7:

Odd thing is that on the remote machine colors are fine with same saveset.

[05:09:20]

kormoc:

rooter7, in short, the -fixes branch with vdpau support isn't actually done or maintained by myth developers, we don't really have any control over the code quality or any real knowledge of what might be included or missing

[05:09:24]

rooter7:

Client on the remote is fine against same backend.

[05:09:47]

rooter7:

Understand it's not supported. Didn't think to eliminate that.

[05:10:39]

rooter7:

A reverse SSH tunnel is where the remote client orders the servver to set up a tunnel to it.

[05:11:09]

rooter7:

This allows you to make the server serve its ports to the remote, to be used as if they're local.

[05:11:26]

rooter7:

On my remote Myth looks like it's local.

[05:11:43]

wagnerrp:

are you actually using myth over the internet? or just local network?

[05:12:20]

rooter7:

The client hits the Myth &MySWL ports locally, it reaches into its own bellybutton, theough the tunnel,, and is actually serviced by the server and it never knows it.

[05:12:33]

rooter7:

LAN – WiFi.

[05:12:52]

wagnerrp:

so why are you bothering with tunnels?

[05:13:13]

rooter7:

I have Wifi set to 5GHz 802.11n, so I don't pollute my neighbors' bandwidth with all my TV.

[05:13:35]

rooter7:

I don't trust nothin'.

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kormoc:

and yet you're on irc...

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linagee:

lol

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wagnerrp:

you think someone is going to break into your 5GHz N network, and start using your X server?

[05:14:40]

wagnerrp:

and you dont have your wireless clients connected through a VPN?

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rooter7:

Yes. I do.

[05:15:03]

rooter7:

No need for VPN. SSH is military grade.

[05:15:06]

linagee:

rooter7: do you have double deadbolts on all your doors at home? lol

[05:15:15]

linagee:

rooter7: and not military grade by a long shot

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mzb:

triple bolted, steel reinforced front door (and mail slot!), but the back door still wide open? ;)

[05:15:25]

rooter7:

Nope, I live in the forest.

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wagnerrp:

but SSH is only between your machines

[05:15:29]

wagnerrp:

what about web traffic?

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kormoc:

so wait

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linagee:

rooter7: are you afraid a deer will come along and hack0zr your intertvs?

[05:15:50]

wagnerrp:

people can capture everything youre doing on the internet

[05:15:52]

iamlindoro:

If you live in the forest, how can there be wifi pollution?

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kormoc:

you live in the forest but think some random hiker will stumble onto your network and steal your X session to watch tv?

[05:16:04]

iamlindoro:

cantennas pointed in all directions?

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rooter7:

All I can do browsing is surf through Squid anonymizinf headers and masquerading as a Googlebot.

[05:16:17]

linagee:

wagnerrp: where people = ATT

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rooter7:

Yes kromac. I do.

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wagnerrp:

all that crap anonymizes you on the internet side, not the local network side

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iamlindoro:

weren't those the bad guys on sliders?

[05:17:03]

** kormoc sighs **

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rooter7:

Why question this?

[05:17:30]

kormoc:

let's leave the tin foil hat wearing guy alone, it's not gonna get any better...

[05:17:37]

rooter7:

Who has the energy?

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linagee:

the government

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** mzb keeps pedaling **

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kormoc:

rooter7, you are on irc after all... If we had a life, we wouldn't be here...

[05:18:07]

rooter7:

Maybe security is an intellectual exercise.

[05:18:19]

iamlindoro:

plus, it's okay to apply totally broken patches to myth, but not okay to watch Tv across your own network

[05:18:23]

iamlindoro:

!seen logic

[05:18:23]

MythLogBot:

logic has not been seen here

[05:18:26]

iamlindoro:

yes, true!

[05:18:31]

kormoc:

there's a difference between security and excessive

[05:18:54]

kormoc:

I for one will ignore any bug reports you submit given your network layout is massively non-standard

[05:18:56]

** kormoc shrugs **

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rooter7:

I use reverse SSH tunnels and sshfs for everything, OK? That way I don't have to ever worry.

[05:19:59]

wombo_:

Just a sec let me get in my tin foil suit before I join the conversation

[05:20:02]

rooter7:

My only problem is mesed up colors. I'll try Slim, and if that doesn't fix it I'll try without Jean-Yves' patch.

[05:20:09]

wombo_:

Ahh dammit it ripped again (

[05:20:17]

wagnerrp:

like i said, why not just use a VPN and have everything taken care of without tunneling through SSH

[05:20:25]

linagee:

the colors are the government hacking your myth box. :)

[05:20:27]

iamlindoro:

any submitted bug reports would be closed anyway as he's not running MythTV

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wagnerrp:

then everything looks like a proper network

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rooter7:

Oh... anti-intellectual hm?

[05:20:35]

iamlindoro:

He's running JYATV

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iamlindoro:

rooter7, It's all moot, you need to seek help from Jean Yves Avenard, we can't help you here

[05:21:02]

linagee:

iamlindoro: JYATV?

[05:21:15]

wagnerrp:

mythtv with JVAs backports

[05:21:16]

iamlindoro:

My affectionate name for Jean Yves fork of Myth

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rooter7:

You mean I don't have to stay here and be picked on?

[05:21:33]

iamlindoro:

nope, watch the door on the way out

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linagee:

rooter7: if you're trying to solve problems, why aren't you running the released binary versions? you don't trust them? rofl

[05:22:03]

wagnerrp:

well that was fun

[05:22:06]

iamlindoro:

Well I think that went well

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wombo_:

Can I get out of my suit now?

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iamlindoro:

shiny!

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sphery:

at least nobody said any disparaging words about cmbx

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iamlindoro:

You'd think someone so insane would mask his IP...

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linagee:

wombo_: the ironic part is that a tin foil helmet and/or suit would do little to actually sheild you from the real brain wave beam. :)

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wombo_:

hehe

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sphery:

^^^ cleverly disguised name to prevent their insult bot from catching the comment

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sphery:

iamlindoro: but he uses a proxy that anonymizes him as the google bot, so he doesn't have to worry...

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** iamlindoro yawns, scratches **

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sphery:

I think the first thing you learn in security classes is: step 1: set up perfect security, then never worry

[05:24:55]

linagee:

so rooter7 is from seattle? is that where all the nut jobs live?

[05:25:11]

wagnerrp:

well kormoc?

[05:25:11]

iamlindoro:

and he's named carl

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kormoc:

hrm

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sphery:

or he's the 12th car--right after car k

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wagnerrp:

id say hes a nutjob... sticking with that antiquated php

[05:25:38]

kormoc:

I wonder if I know him...

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iamlindoro:

I wonder if people we turn away for that fork ever do go back looking to JYA for help

[05:26:11]

sphery:

kormoc: when some guy comes up and decks you at the seagl meeting, you'll know why

[05:26:15]

kormoc:

he's a clearwire user!

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** kormoc laughs **

[05:26:29]

kormoc:

Talk about insecure, clearwire doesn't encrypt their communications

[05:26:31]

linagee:

what is clearwire?

[05:26:40]

iamlindoro:

a wire you can see through

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kormoc:

It's a wimax based ISP here in seattle

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iamlindoro:

he really ought to be on opaquewire, I hear they're great

[05:27:05]

kormoc:

Seattle wireless has a long history with using their connections for free

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mzb:

perfect security == power switch permanently off

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linagee:

kormoc: is it fast?

[05:27:56]

mzb:

(and IR goggles for the terrorists breaking into your house;)

[05:27:58]

kormoc:

linagee, not really, 128kb/sec is common, upto 2 mb/s iirc

[05:28:11]

linagee:

?! 128kb/s? yuck

[05:28:23]

wagnerrp:

mzb: usually the ATF are not considered terrorists

[05:28:23]

linagee:

that's like slow speed internet

[05:28:31]

mzb:

heh

[05:28:44]

iamlindoro:

Not a lot of options if you live in an unincorporated area

[05:28:49]

mzb:

sphery & wagnerrp: I've tried "ccache -C && make distclean && ./configure && make" with same result

[05:29:04]

mzb:

any more suggestions to try?

[05:29:06]

sphery:

mzb: are you sure you have a good checkout?

[05:29:09]

linagee:

kormoc: hooking clearwire to a voip box to an analog phone. ROFL. can't you just simplify that whole mess with a cellphone? :)

[05:29:12]

sphery:

svn status

[05:29:34]

mzb:

ah

[05:29:37]

mzb:

M programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp

[05:29:38]

mzb:

??

[05:29:44]

mzb:

uh oh

[05:29:48]

iamlindoro:

modifieeeeed

[05:29:51]

sphery:

svn diff programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp

[05:29:58]

mzb:

reverted

[05:30:01]

sphery:

if you don't want diffs, revert

[05:30:04]

sphery:

as you just did

[05:30:17]

mzb:

k, thanks

[05:30:35]

mzb:

wonder what I did to it? nm

[05:30:51]

kormoc:

anyone offhand know what return code 2 is for make?

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mzb:

thanks for that sphery, now I can continue attempting to get all the FE's running again before swmbo comes home ;)

[05:31:55]

kormoc:

ooh, that's handy, just any errors == 2

[05:32:00]

sphery:

kormoc: means errors were encountered

[05:32:06]

sphery:

didn't know off hand, but I knew off man

[05:32:11]

kormoc:

heh

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wagnerrp:

that sounds about like one i came across a while back

[05:32:31]

wagnerrp:

i was debugging some socket code

[05:32:46]

wagnerrp:

so i loaded in the error codes, linked in error handling

[05:33:06]

wagnerrp:

only to find out the error was something along the lines of 'failed to open socket'

[05:33:28]

wagnerrp:

of course it failed! thats why the program crashed

[05:34:54]

kormoc:

sadly that means 2.6.28.7 to 2.6.28.10 just don't compile right with everything set to modules...

[05:35:01]

kormoc:

guess I'll need to dig by hand

[05:37:27]

kormoc:

33,481 modules compiled in 24 hours, not bad

[05:37:51]

linagee:

kormoc: wtf? "how much does clearwire cost? it depends on where you live." <--- is that true? i don't get it.

[05:37:59]

kormoc:

it's true

[05:38:08]

kormoc:

Seattle city limits is cheaper then just outside

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linagee:

kormoc: they charge you more if you're in a rich area or something? lol

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wagnerrp:

building every module for every 2.6 kernel or something?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, 2.6, 2.4, 2.2, and 2.0

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kormoc:

least, if the auto-compile scripts don't break :)

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wagnerrp:

2.4 i can understand, 2.2 maybe, but you still have 2.0 machines to support?

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wagnerrp:

wasnt that back in the 90s?

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linagee:

kormoc: that's kind of weird.... I guess if they have to run an OC3 or something to each wimax antenna, it would cost them more to get an OC3 out to BFE....

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, nah, it's for a side project of mine, modinfo.org, I'm planning to have a very large historical database of linux kernel modules, have stats on them, params, etc

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sphery:

and module of the day RSS feed?

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kormoc:

yes!

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sphery:

sweet

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linagee:

linux 2.0??

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kormoc:

a lot of it is I'm very courious as to the stats I'll be able to generate and I hope it'll prove a useful resource

[05:41:30]

kormoc:

Look up a module, I'll tell you what kernel it showed up in and it's params, etc

[05:41:42]

clever:

and when a param was added or removed

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kormoc:

have a device id, I'll give you the modules that match it

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sphery:

and when it was deprecated and what replaced it?

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linagee:

kormoc: if you wanted to know a module's parameters, can't you just look at the code?

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sphery:

I'd love that

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kormoc:

sphery, I'm looking into it, aye, but that's a tad harder to do automated :)

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clever:

linagee: that should work

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kormoc:

sphery, but the database has the relationships for that to work already, so it might end up being user submitted information

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clever:

the module params are basicaly C++ precompiler macro's

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sphery:

yeah, that would require some moderation

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linagee:

clever: who can't read C++ precompiler macros? hehe

[05:42:55]

clever:

if you trick the compiler into using your own header, it would run your own macros

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clever:

which then lets the compiler handle the parsing of whatever tricks they may be using

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sphery:

but it would be /so/ nice when I load up a new kernel and some hardware isn't working because the module I had been using isn't there and I have to dig around to find what the new one is :)

[05:43:51]

** kormoc nods **

[05:43:55]

linagee:

sphery: what type of hardware? USB? there's already a website with a database for that. ;)

[05:44:24]

linagee:

there might be one for pci as well. not sure

[05:44:46]

kormoc:

sphery, the device id information might be enough, as you can click on the device id and it'll show you what other modules register that device, it just might work... we'll have to see :)

[05:45:05]

sphery:

oh, yeah... that's cool

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sphery:

I can't wait to see the site

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clever:

lets go find the code for Dagmar's favorite capture card!

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clever:

module_param(bttv_verbose, int, 0644);

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clever:

MODULE_PARM_DESC(bttv_verbose,"verbose startup messages, default is 1 (yes)");

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clever:

ahh, here it is

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clever:

MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE(pci, bttv_pci_tbl);

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clever:

a struct array with all the pciid's it handles

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clever:

static struct pci_device_id bttv_pci_tbl[] = {

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kormoc:

so rather then just compile and use the tools to pull it out, a process that took me a hour to write, you'd think a better solution is to try to partially compile it, outsite of the intended envirnment, and then rip it out with a pile of regexes, and you think that'd be better?

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clever:

kormoc: instead of using regex to rip it out

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clever:

i would replace those macro's with custom functions, that simply print it out

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kormoc:

if you think it's better, why don't you do that and we'll see how many moudles you have built by tomorrow

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clever:

thinking about it, i may need to use the original Makefile to put the right files together into a module

[06:16:29]

clever:

not shure how id automate that while tricking it into using different headers, and the linking to a userspace app

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kormoc:

it also has to support multiple architectures

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clever:

not shure how id trick it into compiling code for an ARM on the x86, and then run it, though i wont use any of the functions

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clever:

while greping for MODULE does find most of the info, the bttv driver atleast, has alot of #define's for its pciid's

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iamlindoro:

You always know you're on the right track when clever proposes the exact opposite of whatever you're doing

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clever:

and some of it is inside #ifdef's that may change things when you change a compile option

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, he's at least starting to understand why it's harder then he thought it was :)

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Shadow____X:

and starting to know is half the battle

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Shadow____X:

no wait thats not right

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laga:

the sqlite web site is interesting. "Seek forgiveness for yourself as you forgive others. And just as you have received SQLite for free, so also freely give, paying the debt forward." o_O

[10:13:29]

clever:

damnit

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clever:

mythfilldatabase killed things again

[10:14:01]

clever:

wait, not that this time, but same end result

[10:14:13]

laga:

OOM on that 486?

[10:14:35]

clever:

nope

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clever:

all the tables in mysql are locked

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clever:

so nothing can get done

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clever:

my frontend wont even start

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clever:

/media/mainlv/root/8.04/bin/mythbackend --generate-preview 0x0 --chanid 1120 --starttime 20090530020000

[10:15:42]

clever:

thats locked up on read(7)

[10:16:04]

clever:

though that may have been the sql connection

[10:16:17]

clever:

yeah, that was one of the victims, not the cause

[10:16:41]

clever:

laga: do you know how to find out which process is locking the tables?

[10:18:20]

clever:

killing one of the IDLE connections to the master solved it

[10:18:31]

clever:

but the whole thing has been braindead for hours

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clever:

not even the jobqueue was working

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clever:

[10:19:14]

clever:

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clever:

the damn thread locked every table and then went idle for 4 hours

[10:20:12]

clever:

mythtv 838 4.0 8.4 86272 18864 pts/2 S 07:17 0:05 /media/mainlv/root/8.04/bin/mythfilldatabase

[10:20:19]

clever:

that wasnt there a minute ago...

[10:22:29]

clever:

ok, now its recording an infomercial.....

[10:23:15]

clever:

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

[10:23:50]

clever:

that infomercial was probly just it retuning the box on startup

[10:24:00]

clever:

still doesnt explain mysql locking for 4 hours

[10:26:08]

clever:

#1 0xb7becf6c in DTVChannel::GetSuggestedTuningMode (this=0x8222058, is_live_tv=false) at dtvchannel.cpp:132

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clever:

laga: this backtrace doesnt make any sense..., i dont have a digital card

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linxeh:

would an atom pc suffice for a mythtv backend for a twin tuner dvb-t system ?

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wombo_:

is it the 330 or 230 model?

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linxeh:

I dont have it yet :p

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linxeh:

it could be anything

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linxeh:

I was intending on dual core

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wombo_:

it could probably work but dont expect it to be very fast at transcoding or scanning for add's

[11:08:15]

wombo_:

Have a look at the Nvidia ION platform that uses the ATOM 330

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linxeh:

it was more just for recording and playback

[11:08:37]

linxeh:

atm I've got a digihome twin tuner pvr, but want something that I can watch the recordings from multiple rooms

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wombo_:

If you choose that in the next release of mythtv you should be able to use the VDPAU

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linxeh:

so i want something lowish power as a backend if its being left on 247

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linxeh:

cool

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linxeh:

for transcoding etc?

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wombo_:

VDPAU basically offloading all the graphics processing to the GPU

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linxeh:

yeah

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wombo_:

if you dont have that you will easily overload you ATOM cpu

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wombo_:

if you are show High Definition

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linxeh:

I want this just for a backend

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wombo_:

You should be able to play SD fine

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linxeh:

frontend will be on different boxes

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wombo_:

ahh ok

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wombo_:

I guess it should be ok then

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linxeh:

so it should just be demuxing and recording the stream

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linxeh:

and doing the db management

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wombo_:

I normally just put a big box in the corner for the backend, then little machines for frontends

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wombo_:

yeah

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linxeh:

yeah, I want to minimise power consumption – it's getting expensive in the uk

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wombo_:

hehe

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wombo_:

Well the next release will also have some improvements with regards to putting systems to sleep

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linxeh:

cool

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wombo_:

it will probably be awhile off yet

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linxeh:

well, I can spin the hdds down

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linxeh:

and if its an atom its not going to consume much when idle anyway

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linxeh:

will be lower than the PVR I've got already anyway

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Dibblah:

VDPAU does NOT offload anything to do with transcoding or commercial flagging.

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wombo_:

no that is correct

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wombo_:

it is just playback

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sid3windr:

but theoretically you could use cuda to do transcoding, or not?

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wombo_:

yeah probably, it just requires someone who is interested enough to do the work

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sid3windr:

or actually also vdpau for commflag

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sid3windr:

if someone codes it

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Dibblah:

Not as far as I am aware.

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Dibblah:

Since the decoded frame is not passed back to the host.

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sid3windr:

oh hmm

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sid3windr:

it can only output it?

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sid3windr:

I thought it did pass it back :[

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wombo_:

I would have thought you could at least with CUDA

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Dibblah:

On a purely theoretical level, yes.

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sid3windr:

can you do cuda on linux anyway?

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AndyCap:

yes. and nvidia did do some demo of encoding with cuda a while back.

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AndyCap:

haha, I guess this is more than you want to spend. :P http://www.elementaltechnologies.com/Products/Server

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sid3windr:

nice

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sid3windr:

what's that, 4x GX280 in a rackmount? :)

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mr_claus:

hi, i try to use the asx streaming with mythweb, but all the time mythweb.pl takes all system memory and dies

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gbee:

ok, so I've fubar'd my production box and since I don't have the time to restore it to a working state with Mandriva I figure I'll just give in and install mythbuntu, what would be the correct steps?

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laga:

gbee: download mythbuntu iso. burn it. install.

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laga:

gbee: save ~ first?

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laga:

gbee: btw, ubuntu uses wrappers around mythfrontend and mythbackend. the real thing is called myth{backend,front}.real. just fyi.

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gbee:

ok, worth knowing

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laga:

these wrappers do things like stopping and starting the backend when running mythtv-swetup

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laga:

uh, come to think of it, there is no wrapper for the backend, just for setup and frontend

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gbee:

install etc is obvious, just want to double check what needs backing up (because I _always_ forget something)

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laga:

your database

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laga:

your home

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laga:

your /etc – just in case

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laga:

and your recordings

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gbee:

so I haven't forgotten anything this time then :)

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laga:

/opt/ maybe and /usr/local/bin

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gbee:

nah, nothing worth saving in either I suspect

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gbee:

install won't insist on formatting the /home and media drives I assume? backing up the recordings would be impossible since I don't have drives large enough, formatting /home isn't a big issue but I can save time if it can be avoided

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laga:

yeah, that can be avoided. just make sure you dont let it auto partition things

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gbee:

cool

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laga:

how did you fubar you production box?

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gbee:

hmm, does the ubuntu build include the h.264 deblocking filter patch?

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laga:

yes

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laga:

you need to enable it in the playback profiles

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gbee:

aye

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gbee:

that's great, saves me building from source (today)

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gbee:

want this thing back up and operational ASAP

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gbee:

thanks for the hand holding, I'll let you know how it goes ;)

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laga:

:)

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gbee:

no guarantee that I'll stick with mythbuntu, right now it's expedient, but unless it gives me a reason to change I probably won't

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mr_claus:

hmm, asx streaming works with vlc but not with wmp

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laga:

gbee: no guarantee i'll stick with myth. ;)

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gbee:

;)

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laga:

heh. just imagined someone somewhere in the UK.. "quick, nurse! hand me the mythbuntu cd! we need to be up and running as quick as possible"

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Rigolo:

question: the field "visable" in the channel table .. what does that mean?/what does it do?

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gbee:

pcworld's now advocating film piracy ... whole 60 second advert, featuring Christian Slater, telling people to download movies off the internet then play them back on their TV with hardware bought from PC world ...

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Rigolo:

mmm guess how many films he will be starting in from now on :-)

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gbee:

not sure if he's aware of the context in which he's placed by the advert, he's not actually on screen for very long and says only a couple of words

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gbee:

need to see the ad again, I wasn't paying much attention the first time, takes a while to get to the point with a guy saying how much he likes movies

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gbee:

then reveals he downloads them from the net, at which point you expect it to be an anti-piracy campaign, but no ... the big reveal is that PC World are selling media streamers and will help you to install them so that you can stream your illegal content to the TV!

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gbee:

of course they don't mention the 'i' word

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Rigolo:

well ... you can download legal movies from the internet ...

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Rigolo:

(although I have no idea where .. but I keep hearing that it is possible :-) )

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gbee:

not the sort described by the add, blockbuster war films etc

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gbee:

s/add/ad/

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k-man:

is there a way to watch a recording and automaticaly skip the ads once I have marked the ad locations?

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th1_:

Hi, I have a problem with MythTV trying to tune DVB-S, it hangs when I try to do a tuned scan after entering the freq etc. on the "Scanning" screen, and nothing happens after that. nothing in syslog, mythtv-setup output shows lines like these: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3

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sphery_:

k-man: Automatically Skip Commercials: -Off; -Notify, but do not skip; -Automatically Skip; "Automatically skip commercial breaks that have been flagged during Automatic Commercial Flagging or by the mythcommflag program, or just notify that a commercial has been detected."

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gbee:

laga: that old chestnut of the database password? Where can I find out what it's used?

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sphery_:

k-man: in TV Playback settings

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sphery_:

k-man: though I /highly/ recommend Notify and having the skip commercials (forward and back) keys mapped to your remote

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sphery_:

even the guy who wrote the commflagger doesn't use auto-skip

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sphery_:

th1_: is that 0.21-fixes? If not, I recommend using 0.21-fixes. Only think to know about 0.21-fixes channel scan is if you're running it on a multi-core/multi-proc system, start mythtv-setup with: taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup

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sphery_:

th1_: and if it is 0.21-fixes, try doing a full scan, instead

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sphery_:

gbee: need the root password?

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sphery_:

if the myth one, shouldn't it be in a mysql.txt (and/or config.xml) somewhere?

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gbee:

sphery_: yeah, figured out that the root password is set to the first configured users

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gbee:

from there I can change the mythtv user passwor

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sphery_:

ahhh.

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gbee:

newbie again

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gbee:

wonder what the name of the control centre is

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sphery_:

don't you just love going from a knowledgeable user of one distro to a newbie on another?

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scubidoo:

hi all

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sphery_:

hi

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scubidoo:

hi sphery

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scubidoo:

any one have a vfd soundgraph 0036???

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sphery_:

not I

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gbee:

does ubuntu not have some gui tool for configuring mount points?

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CoreDump|cf-18:

yeah, it's called "vi" ;)

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gbee:

huh, and they call Ubuntu the newbie friendly distro :)

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gbee:

right, mount points fixed up (with emacs :p)

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CoreDump:

I was kidding. Never used Ubuntu for any serious length of time.

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th1_:

sphery_, it's the one from ubuntu 9.04 I think it's 0.21 fixes

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th1_:

however I think it's just my satellite aim that's off because I can't get it with dvbtune either :) so I'll mess with that until it works in dvbtune

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gbee:

CoreDump: googling doesn't suggest there is such a tool, can't find anything to help with creation of an x config either etc

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wagnerrp:

someone is requesting that JVA reinstate someones 'IPs open source access'

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wagnerrp:

apparently hes been blacklisted, or maybe he just has broken internets... but WTF does that have anything to do with open source

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foobert:

howdy folks — so, after doing the minor update of Centos 5.3 (from 5.2), I'm no longer getting my PCHDTV 5500 card recognized by the DVB: Can't open DVB frontend (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)

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foobert:

Any thoughts on what's up?

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wagnerrp:

youre missing drivers somehow

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foobert:

did V4l and DVB merge recently?

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wagnerrp:

if they did, it wouldnt make a bit of difference because Centos runs off a several year old kernel

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wagnerrp:

the last update was at the last major revision, the start of the 5.x line

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iamlindoro:

v4l-dvb has always been a part of the v4l project, there's nothing to merge

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wagnerrp:

i assume he was asking if stuff got moved from /dev/dvb to /dev/v4l

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gbee:

oh, that's no good ... the net connect is only started on login and the moment you logout or kill the X server it drops the connection >:(

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laga:

gbee: yay for networkmanager?

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gbee:

makes remote admin pretty damn impossible

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laga:

gbee: configure it in /etc/network/interfaces – or AFAIK, you can make the interface static in the networkmanager gui

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kormoc:

60 kernels, 136,487 modules built, 33 hours

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gbee:

laga: starting to feel homesick :/

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gbee:

laga: ok

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laga:

gbee: aww. *hug*

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gbee:

problem I'm trying to solve now is that the vid driver ain't working

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laga:

gbee: do you need a tool to create an xorg.conf for you? cause X is supposed to be configless these days – of course, you can use an xorg.conf if you want to

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wagnerrp:

laga: it is?

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gbee:

laga: only if the configuration it uses actually works – I can't start the frontend atm, spews tonnes of X errors

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laga:

gbee: using the free radeon driver?

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gbee:

yeah

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laga:

wagnerrp: it is.

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laga:

gbee: wait a second..

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gbee:

seems to be using Radeon, but radeonhd should be a better fix from what I've read

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laga:

gbee: this might be relevant? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/341898

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laga:

gbee: you should still be able to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to generate a new xorg.conf

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laga:

and choose the driver etc

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gbee:

looks like the same issue

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laga:

XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" – should work?

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gbee:

I'll find out, off to work on that machine directly again (since I can no longer ssh to it )

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gbee:

need radeonhd for hdmi audio though, so ...

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sphery_:

gbee: regarding Network Manager: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/370643#370643

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laga:

gbee: next time, just get arch ;)

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phunyguy:

hello.

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gbee:

so in the end, this hasn't saved me any time at all

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foobert:

wagnerrp (et al): from my limited understanding, I should be finding cx88-dvb to run the HD5500 card. Yes?

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foobert:

> ls /lib/modules/2.6.18–128.1.10.el5.centos.plus/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx 88

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foobert:

cx8800.ko cx8802.ko cx88-alsa.ko cx88-blackbird.ko cx88xx.ko

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gbee:

oh dear, does Ubuntu not package radeonhd?

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laga:

i assume it does?

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laga:

gbee: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ra . . . ;section=all

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laga:

gbee: it is in universe, which should be enabled on an mythbuntu install

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gbee:

laga: ok, the wiki is out of date then, goto the article on RadeonHD and it implies you need to build from source (even mentions Jaunty)

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laga:

gbee: i try to avoid the ubuntu wiki

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laga:

their search engine is *horrible*

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th1_:

I've got my dish aligned now and it works in dvbtune but when I start scanning in mythtv-setup it crashes after adding a few chans (or none depending on which freq I scan), with this error: Fatal IO error: client killed

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joe-mac:

anybody here slick with getting cable tv going on leenuckz? i've got the same static output across apps that can play tv, i'm guessing i need to muck with some sort of frequency setup. the cable line works fine on my tv, and when i first got the computer about a year ago, out of the box it worked fine in WMC, so I know the hardware is good. the card is an Hauppauge computer works Inc. Device 7801 using module cx23885.

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gbee:

could use stuarta right about now, he has myth working with radeon drivers

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gbee:

got video playback working, but the picture quality is awful, grainy and washed out

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gbee:

which can probably be attributed to the disabling of argb

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ron_:

Hello I am having a problem with Mythbuntu 9.04. Have a 800i and followed all instructions to get it working. It scans the channels just fine but when I go to watch tv nothing happens. link to log http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/fe86ee3c

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laga:

sphery_: argh, that java OutOfMemory problem is haunting me now :)

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zmotok:

hello everyone, i'm having a problem compiling lirc on a newish kernel (2.6.29), it's complaining about not finding asm/semaphore.h; anyone know about this?

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sphery_:

laga: sounds like fun--trying to work around the limitations of the platform and all

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laga:

sphery_: sure. it is kinda fun. too bad i have deadlines and stuff :)

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sphery_:

yeah, deadlines and actually having a life are 2 things that can ruin the fun...

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laga:

i gave up the life part in favor of deadlines

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sphery_:

heh

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sphery_:

So, I'm learning that doing a boring, tedious job on a FOSS project isn't nearly as fun as one might think...

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laga:

oh really?

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kormoc:

Your ideas interest me, do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

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sphery_:

heh

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sphery_:

Cleaning up some of the MSqlQuery::exec() calls that ignore return value. Don't seem to be any that are critical, the 10 "important" ones will just print out an error message when no error occured, and all the 199 others are places where errors weren't considered important enough to even log.

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sphery_:

that's in mythtv, BTW--haven't looked at plugins

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kormoc:

Heh, I'm enjoying my project. I'm upto 5 kernels an hour right now :)

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laga:

kormoc: git-bisect?

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sphery_:

5kph, not bad :)

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laga:

right now, i'm trying to find out why a BufferedReader in java will die due to OutOfMemory even though i'm reading from it

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kormoc:

laga, Nah, finally doing modinfo.org, I"m going to maintain a database of all the kernel modules I can find, their params, pci ids, etc

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laga:

kormoc: nice

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kormoc:

so I wrote a pile of automated build scripts and they're just building away

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kormoc:

I'm hoping I remembered enough kernel-foo for the 2.2 and 2.0 kernels, it's been a long while

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wagnerrp:

who started this whole 'energy consumed on a task' benchmark?

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

as in electric?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

someone is trying to argue that a 2.7GHz 95W chip is better for mythtv than a 2.6GHz 45W chip

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wagnerrp:

because the faster chip will get the task done faster meaning it uses less power for the task

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wagnerrp:

first off, hes a dousche and even if you go by his benchmark, the math doesnt work out that way

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, that's easy to argue, yo uhave a 3% increase in task speed to a 110% increase in power usage

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wagnerrp:

and second, either you leave myth on all the time and idle usage becomes the deciding factor, or you put it in standby and load usage becomes the factor

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wagnerrp:

but both systems are going to be under load for the same amount of time

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wagnerrp:

heh... within 15 minutes, there have been four posts slamming this guy

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kormoc:

I don't miss the mythtv-users list

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sphery_:

and if you run BOINC, then max power becomes the deciding factor

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laga:

neither do i

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sphery_:

and, since TDP is /not/ real-world max usage (and often far overstated for even "average" usage), until you've got the 2 chips and you measure power usage at the wall, it's all a theoretical argument

[17:42:18]

wagnerrp:

well in this case, its not far off

[17:42:36]

wagnerrp:

the chip with a 50W larger TDP uses 40W more than the other under load

[17:43:03]

wagnerrp:

for 5–20% better performance

[17:43:48]

wagnerrp:

so when youre talking the average frontend which is going to run at under 100W, the performance gain isnt worth it even for his benchmark

[17:45:43]

sphery_:

yeah, a 210% increase in TDP means that the chip will /definitely/ consume a significant amount more power (otherwise AMD would sell it as a lower-TDP chip for more money), but when you're talking $0.10/kWh, the real-world differences make a large impact on the final result.

[17:46:09]

sphery_:

but I do agree with you--the argument on the list makes no sense, even factoring in the roughness of estimating from published numbers

[17:46:42]

wagnerrp:

the guy was an idiot anyway, he thought the OP was saying the faster chip was 2.6–2.7x faster

[17:46:52]

wagnerrp:

rather than 2.7/2.6x (4%) faster

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sphery_:

heh

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wagnerrp:

im undecided... which less deserves to be on EPSN

[17:51:19]

wagnerrp:

the 2009 National Spelling Bee, or the International RPS Tournament?

[17:51:44]

jblack:

Golf.

[17:52:15]

wagnerrp:

golf, is a sport... you go outside and hit a ball

[17:52:33]

wagnerrp:

but spelling and rock-paper-scissors.... while i at least respect the spellers, neither of them are a sport

[17:52:37]

kormoc:

so then gymnastics isn't s port?

[17:52:47]

kormoc:

*sport

[17:52:53]

kormoc:

or basketball?

[17:53:11]

wagnerrp:

youre still doing physical activity

[17:53:22]

jblack:

Golf is where rich people talk about how to screw poor people, as poor people cart them around and bring them iced drinks. It's not a sport. It's the "IWIN" part of the day.

[17:53:39]

kormoc:

RPS involves throwing your pick, that's physical!

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jblack:

And haven't you ever seen a spelling bee, contact style?

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joe-mac:

anything really can be a 'sport', since oneo f the definitions is diversion or recreation

[17:57:19]

joe-mac:

had this talk with someone the other day

[17:57:35]

joe-mac:

claimed nascar wasn't a sport

[17:57:42]

joe-mac:

i disagreed

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wagnerrp:

anything can be a 'game', but 'sports' should require physical skills

[17:58:24]

joe-mac:

the definition of sport is so ambiguous that that statement is invalid

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kormoc:

there's pyhsical skills involved in spelling bees and RPS

[17:58:34]

kormoc:

you have to stand for spelling bees

[17:58:43]

wagnerrp:

standing up and pounding your fist into your hand?

[17:58:45]

jblack:

And there's plenty of tongue action

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kormoc:

you have to throw your pick for RPS, on the mark at the same time

[17:59:31]

wagnerrp:

synchronized fist pumping!

[17:59:38]

joe-mac:

i have no clue wht RPS is, but you can drink beer for sport. you can get with fat chics for sport. you can also play chess for sport, pool, fish, and baseball

[17:59:44]

laga:

tongue action? synchronized fist pumping?

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joe-mac:

though baseball i would argyue is less of a sport than picking up fat chics

[17:59:52]

wagnerrp:

rock-paper-scissors

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** joe-mac tries to GBTW **

[18:01:32]

wagnerrp:

drinking beer, not a sport

[18:01:38]

wagnerrp:

but you could make a good argument for beer pong

[18:01:49]

kormoc:

We all know that RPS isn't actually a good one, but RPSSL is!

[18:02:43]

wagnerrp:

so what are the other two?

[18:02:52]

wagnerrp:

sharks and lasers?

[18:02:53]

kormoc:

Lizard and Spock

[18:03:04]

kormoc:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . Spock_en.svg

[18:03:07]

wagnerrp:

that off the big bang theory?

[18:03:10]

kormoc:

Aye

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joe-mac:

i've never watched that show

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kormoc:

it's geektastic fun

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joe-mac:

though i did watch the original big bang, i was screwing around with some chemicals, and out came this mess

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joe-mac:

i am a fan of this rock paper scissors spock lizard

[18:04:33]

joe-mac:

i may play this *sport* in the near future

[18:06:40]

jblack:

Hmmm. If sports requires the usage of muscles, and should have a ball... where does that leave masturbation?

[18:08:50]

iamlindoro:

Depends on gender

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wagnerrp:

i guess that rules out hockey too

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kormoc:

and boxing, MMA, diving, swimming, scuba, badmitton...

[18:12:46]

wagnerrp:

well badmitton has half a ball

[18:13:47]

sphery_:

kormoc: on #6185 , I think he has a timeslot recording. In Upcoming Recordings, it's shown as "Not Listed" to alert him that the show isn't airing in the timeslot he thinks it is.

[18:14:24]

kormoc:

hrm

[18:14:37]

sphery_:

kormoc: There's no reason for him to do a "Don't Record"--actually, MythWeb shouldn't list that because it's not recording, anyway

[18:14:39]

kormoc:

I'm fairly sure mine doesn't do that

[18:15:01]

wagnerrp:

it does if you enable the two middle options

[18:15:01]

kormoc:

I need to get mine up and running... ugh...

[18:15:13]

** kormoc pokes dual core ion platforms **

[18:15:16]

sphery_:

I don't think he's doing a "delete" as he claims, but trying to do a one-time override with the Don't Record

[18:15:26]

wagnerrp:

its probably the 'ignored' box that picks it up

[18:15:30]

sphery_:

the schedule delete makes sense (and should be available), but Don't Record doesn't

[18:15:55]

** sphery_ goes to look at the MythWeb code... **

[18:16:22]

wagnerrp:

i remember burn notice used to show an error like that

[18:16:32]

wagnerrp:

i dont remember why, but i had it record a time slot

[18:16:44]

kormoc:

huh

[18:17:45]

sphery_:

trying to convert mythtv names to mythweb names is fun... :)

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scubidoo:

hi all

[18:18:45]

scubidoo:

any one have a vfd soundgraph 0036???

[18:19:39]

sphery_:

kormoc: I think it's because we never check for rsNotListed = 6 in modules/tv/tmpl/default/upcoming.php in the switch on line 176, so it uses default

[18:19:50]

kormoc:

ahh!

[18:20:10]

wagnerrp:

some completely unanticipated mode?

[18:20:11]

sphery_:

can't find the MythWeb name for rsNotListed

[18:20:29]

sphery_:

kormoc: that is just a guess, though--and totally untested

[18:20:30]

kormoc:

I actually saw that in the docs awhile back but when I asked about it, noone seemed to know what it was for

[18:20:37]

sphery_:

(so the most useless help a person can give :)

[18:20:45]

sphery_:

ahhh

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sphery_:

so for rsNotListed, it should /not/ have dontrec/activate --probably just $commands[] = 'Not Listed' (or 'Not airing in timeslot this day' or something)?

[18:22:43]

sphery_:

kormoc: ^^^

[18:23:09]

kormoc:

I'd use the latter, aye

[18:23:29]

sphery_:

kormoc: the funny thing about that ticket is that I marked it orange (something feels fishy, but I can't figure it out, so look at it later) in my e-mail, but I never figured out what was fishy until you closed it.

[18:26:38]

sphery_:

kormoc: I'll do up a patch and test it.

[18:27:03]

kormoc:

snazzy :)

[18:28:22]

sphery_:

hmmm... I'm not seeing Not Listed in Upcoming Recoridngs

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sphery_:

nor in listings

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[18:31:46]

kormoc:

whoops!

[18:32:30]

laga:

i'm amazed that the flash plugin *still* is a piece of shit

[18:33:02]

JEDIDIAH__:

Hello

[18:33:15]

JEDIDIAH__:

Has anyone else had any troubles running an intel ICH10 based board?

[18:33:50]

JEDIDIAH__:

mine doesn't seem to get along with the hauppauge 121

[18:33:52]

JEDIDIAH__:

mine doesn't seem to get along with the hauppauge 1212

[18:36:48]

Dagmar:

What leads you to believe this?

[18:37:23]

gbee:

laga: have to say that I'm impressed and very happy with the myth bits of mythbuntu, e.g. the control centre

[18:37:33]

laga:

gbee: :)

[18:37:44]

laga:

gbee: let me know when you need to set up -diskless ;)

[18:37:50]

gbee:

heh

[18:38:30]

laga:

gbee: the control centre is getting a major overhaul, so it should be even better next release or so. it's going to support plugins so you can add new tabs easily

[18:40:00]

gbee:

slowly getting to the stage where I have a working machine, but I've had to build the radeonhd driver from source (ok, so that bit wasn't so much Ubuntu's fault)

[18:40:18]

laga:

sorry to hear you're having so much trouble :(

[18:40:39]

laga:

"user friendly" sometimes means "need to mess around with things to get it *really* working" ;)

[18:42:29]

sphery_:

Got it... Set up a timeslot recording, then modify record.starttime by 1 minute.

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sphery_:

kormoc: is there a CSS class that prevents the recording title in Upcoming Recordings from being a hyperlink (since the program doesn't show, the user can't click on it to go to the show details)

[18:52:49]

sphery_:

at one point I actually knew where the translation stuff was...

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sphery_:

ah... modules/_shared/lang

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nurettin_:

hello i hav sound problem

[19:10:55]

nurettin_:

my mythtv recording mic in line sound

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nurettin_:

how can i change line in

[19:12:48]

nurettin_:

my tv card aver tv

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nurettin_:

my sound card on board realtek alc 662

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sphery_:

one less orange ticket in my tickets folder :)

[19:24:57]

foobert:

nurettin: Just a hunch, but, in mythsetup, select the audio device of your capture card instead of your sound card

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nurettin_:

foobert: mythtv backend setup ?

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foobert:

yes

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scubidoo:

hi all

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scubidoo:

any one have a vfd soundgraph 0036???

[19:30:04]

nurettin_:

foobert: ok i am controlling

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nurettin_:

auido devices dsp or dsp1 ?

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nurettin_:

or where ?

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scubidoo:

i have a problem whit lirc_imon

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scubidoo:

and a soundgraph 0036

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scubidoo:

any one can help me??

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laga:

no

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scubidoo:

thanks laga

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nurettin_:

laga lafÄ± yedin mi?

[19:34:25]

laga:

no one can help you because you did not provide a specific question and/or logs. you should also go ask the lirc people if you have a problem with their software

[19:35:24]

scubidoo:

the problem is i can use the ir but not the lcd

[19:35:41]

scubidoo:

i have alway on syslog packet failed -32

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laga:

nurettin_: i don't speak your language

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scubidoo:

and the lcd show what i send but whit lags and not fine

[19:37:04]

scubidoo:

i have already put a email on lirc mails

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scubidoo:

but not responces

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nurettin_:

foobert: ?

[19:38:05]

foobert:

dunno. most likely /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 are the same thing.

[19:38:30]

foobert:

I'm not familiar with that card.

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nurettin_:

foobert: yes i changed dsp to dsp1 npt happened

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nurettin_:

i cant understand Just a hunch, but, in mythsetup, select the audio device of your capture card

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Dagmar:

1. Stop using OSS.

[19:44:14]

Dagmar:

2. The wiki tells exactly how to set that card up.

[19:44:23]

Wicked:

hello all. anyone here been using VDPAU? ive set up mythtv with VDPAU and it works...but the 1st time i used it...it ended up locking up my computer and i had to hard reset the computer. im using the latest beta nvidia drivers(as of 2 days ago)

[19:44:24]

laga:

i dont think mythtv can capture from ALSA

[19:44:29]

laga:

so part 1 of your advice would be wrong

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Dagmar:

Where'd you get that idea

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laga:

from my head. which might be full of weird ideas.

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nurettin_:

Dagmar: did you say to me ?

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nurettin_:

Dagmar: if you say me i m using alsa

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laga:

Dagmar: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3405 – not committed

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Dagmar:

Either way the wiki still tells hos to set it up

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gbee:

there is a way to define which sound card to use but I can't remember what it was, something like ALSA:default:1 ?

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Dagmar:

ALSA's syntax for that stuff suxks

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gbee:

agreed

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Dagmar:

"hw:0,0" was the syntax I last saw, but I can't really say what ties which of those zeroes to what

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Dagmar:

ALSA seems to make that up as it goes along

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sphery_:

better would be to change your ALSA config

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gbee:

sphery_: don't want to do that, this is an overnight fix until I get HDMI audio working again in the morning

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gbee:

Dagmar: first zero would be card, second device on that card

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Dagmar:

That much I know

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sphery_:

hw:0,0 is an ALSA thing, but there's the Myth syntax (ALSA:<devname>:<extra params>) and the MPlayer syntax (ao=alsa:device=<devicename>=<extra params>[...])

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gbee:

the hw syntax will probably work, I'd love to remember what the 'default' syntax was though

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sphery_:

and the xine syntax and ...

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gbee:

right, audio is working through a pair of usb laptop speakers ... picture quality is pretty bad but watchable

[20:00:11]

gbee:

clearly the OS driver isn't doing the auto-gamma/level adjustment that the proprietary one did, gamma is way too high

[20:00:26]

sphery_:

pretty sure there's no way to do a default device and specify which card since there's only one ALSA default, which is associated with card 0 (by default) or whatever you've specified in overriding the default with pcm.!default in ALSA conf

[20:00:44]

sphery_:

so you'd have to make a new logical device name--or just change pcm.!default to use the other hardware

[20:01:03]

laga:

time for pulseaudio ;)

[20:01:06]

sphery_:

or specify the ALSA hardware/plugin/... directly in Myth

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gbee:

sticking a big ugly hairy dude in a dress doesn't make him Jewel Staite

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gbee:

Alsa would be the guy, pulse the dress in that strained analogy

[20:04:11]

gbee:

ALSA needs flushing

[20:04:45]

laga:

ah, i remember. you liked OSS ;)

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gbee:

OSS4 ;)

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laga:

heh

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laga:

looked into it briefly.. but i decided that my sound just works right now.

[20:08:56]

laga:

if ignore the flash player ;)

[20:09:05]

laga:

tried pulseaudio, it didn't add anything so it had to go

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gbee:

alsa's generally great if you don't want anything other than stereo sound from a single installed card/device, the moment you have to start screwing around with alsa configs and device names ...

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** laga curls up in a ball **

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joe-mac:

i am getting tuning failed when i try to dvbscan, any thoughts?

[20:25:59]

laga:

is the backend running?

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joe-mac:

laga: i am doing this from the command line

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laga:

yes, the backend might still be running

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joe-mac:

oh- i get ya, let me stop it

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joe-mac:

same thing :-(

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darkdrgn2k3:

Hey everyone

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sphery_:

laga: while out on a run, I started to wonder if the java mem limit is in the JVM or not--as it seems to dynamically detect OS-level capability. Therefore, I was wondering what would happen if you compile the kernel with CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM set to 4GB or 64GB. I think the kernel should boot that way on any Pentium Pro or newer, so it may be worth a "quick" try.

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** sphery_ needs to get better things to think about while running **

[21:08:30]

bobbob1016:

For some reason, on certain videos, mplayer won't play them. I installed coreavc, and added it to my mythvideo config line, which is "mplayer -vc coreserve, -ao alsa:device=spdif -ac hwac3,hwdts,alsa, -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %". When I play the file via command-line without the -vc coreserve, it plays fine, with coreserve it says too many packets in the audio buffer. I need coreserve for some things still though, any

[21:08:30]

bobbob1016:

ideas?

[21:11:09]

laga:

sphery_: it's not my box, unfortunately. i can set -Xms=2G, but not 3G. in any case, i can reduce memory usage a *lot* if i just do things smartly. right now i'm running a query against a database, putting the results in a LinkedList and returning them at once. just using threads and chunking the data would be a lot better

[21:11:21]

joe-mac:

sphery_: no that won't work

[21:11:28]

joe-mac:

the JVM needs to be able to access contiguous RAM

[21:11:44]

joe-mac:

on 32 bit platforms generally the most you'll get is a couple of gigs

[21:12:52]

laga:

the interesting thing is that it is running out of heap space when creating a new String object in BufferedReader.readLine(). which is done a lot :)

[21:13:08]

laga:

i wonder if a different garbage collector would help

[21:13:11]

joe-mac:

laga: increase the size of the eden space then

[21:13:16]

joe-mac:

if that stilld oesn'

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joe-mac:

t help, look at the code to fix it

[21:14:02]

laga:

i really need to read up on garbage collection and memory management

[21:14:36]

joe-mac:

yea, i am in operations, but i have to know this to troubleshoot java apps

[21:15:06]

joe-mac:

IMO java has a pretty elegant memory management setup... thena gain i am not a programmer so maybe it sucks for them lol

[21:15:13]

laga:

;)

[21:15:22]

jno:

Hi I'm pretty new to both IRC and MythTV... just curious if someone here has been successful in getting a Hauppauge HVR-1300 card working well with MythTV? Have been looking for answers all over the place without finding any really good ones.

[21:16:04]

laga:

i think the problem is with garbage collection which needs to be run more frequently. it is creating a lot of new objects in a short amount of time..

[21:17:15]

joe-mac:

laga: minor garbage collections send objects to survivor space from eden usually on the first run...

[21:18:22]

joe-mac:

if you can't create objects, then eden is what's out of space

[21:18:32]

laga:

joe-mac: so, survivor space is for objects which are longer-lived than eden space?

[21:20:17]

joe-mac:

pretty much... objects that get created get created in eden, then when they survive a minor garbage collection, they get bumped to survivor space

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laga:

okay. i'll try the scavenge garbage collector

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laga:

meh, i forgot to set -Xmx=2G for this run, that's why it didn't work ;)

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basement:

oh i'm soooo close lol

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meshe:

to becoming <mainfloor> ? or maybe <sub-basement>

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basement:

lol, basement backend :)

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basement-server:

just got to get the frontend to connect to the backend

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basement-server:

if anyone has the time... could they please look thru my log and see what could be my problem? I have backend running, did channel scan and found channels, updated db.

[22:02:42]

basement-server:

http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f5a073a12

[22:02:58]

basement-server:

when I click watch TV... screen goes blank, then right back to main menu

[22:03:47]

** meshe mumbles the word "permissions" before reading **

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basement-server:

i thought i have this user set up on the mythtv users...

[22:04:54]

meshe:

mythbackend: No capture cards are defined: Please run the setup program.

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basement-server:

argg... thought i just did that.. called it LiveTV... checking again :)

[22:05:47]

meshe:

make sure you go through all the steps in mythtv-setup

[22:06:01]

meshe:

video sources, capture cards...

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basement-server:

ok, trying again.. lol.. i thought I was gold when I finally got the thing to scan all the channels and come back w/ good ones

[22:06:30]

meshe:

and make sure you let the scanner finish

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basement-server:

ok trying again

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basement:

for the grabbers, i made one called LiveTV and get grabbers to NONE.. that is ok, right?

[22:08:27]

basement:

get=set

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meshe:

not sure, i use schedules direct for my listings

[22:09:02]

basement:

then i set input connections... V4L (Television) to LiveTV

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kormoc:

so wait

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kormoc:

why are you using myth if you're not going to use a grabber?

[22:09:39]

meshe:

sounds like it's for "LiveTV"

[22:09:41]

basement:

well.. i just want to get it set up first for just broadcast.. i define date/time

[22:09:46]

basement:

for a recording

[22:10:10]

basement:

I will buy the subscription to that XMLGrabber thing if this pans out

[22:10:16]

kormoc:

a grabber source like SD will actually eliminate the need for the channel scanning...

[22:10:29]

meshe:

there's a free trial for SD

[22:10:42]

basement:

but it scan's the channels fine.. you think this still might be the problem?

[22:10:48]

meshe:

it makes setting up myth, much, much easier

[22:11:43]

basement:

well.. i will try that.. but seems like the backend sets up ok.. but my frontend can't see it..

[22:12:19]

meshe:

frontend logs ftw

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GlemSom:

wow I REALLY hate it when providers changes channelnumbers around... I just spend the last hour re-scanning my DVB-C channels – and re-adding xml-id and channellogos :/

[22:13:20]

basement:

ok.. i'll try re-reading and seeing if i can figure out that part..

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meshe:

i'm probably going to set up at least 1 new frontend this weekend

[22:15:29]

meshe:

repurposing and old laptop with a dead lcd

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laga:

meshe: clever?

[22:18:17]

meshe:

O.O

[22:18:37]

meshe:

that just wasn't very nice

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laga:

;)

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laga:

don't worry, we all have those moments

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meshe:

the laptop is just sitting in a drawer doing nothing and i only use SD so it will perform fine

[22:21:02]

laga:

i have one of these, too..

[22:21:15]

laga:

i was going to integrate it into my couch table, but that's not easy

[22:22:13]

laga:

meh. debugging some code i wrote and it takes 6 minutes for every run

[22:23:00]

meshe:

i hate long turnarounds like that, code i was working on at work last week had a 57 minute turn around :S heavy database ETL

[22:23:11]

laga:

heh

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laga:

i guess i could run a faster query..

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meshe:

i was transforming 37m rows of data

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kormoc:

a hour?

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** kormoc blinks **

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meshe:

yeah, fast hardware and mysql

[22:25:16]

meshe:

give mysql 8 cores, 8GB ram and a raid 10 with sas drives and it will fly

[22:26:36]

kormoc:

that's still fairly solid, I'm guessing it wasn't a intensive transforming?

[22:27:21]

meshe:

not too bad, about 10 queries, all of the work was done in the database

[22:27:33]

kormoc:

snazzy

[22:28:02]

kormoc:

We just had one of our production tables hit 1 billion rows, I shudder when I have to process that into subtables...

[22:28:32]

meshe:

ouch, i thought ours was big with > 300m

[22:29:01]

meshe:

with indexes and innodb we still get results off it in seconds

[22:29:34]

meshe:

quite a few seconds, but still sub minute

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

luckly for us, it's a really light table, right around 64 bytes per row, so it's fast

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meshe:

nice

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meshe:

ours is about 6 int fk's, 1 date field and 1 ip int field

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kormoc:

uint, uint, uint, ubyte, + indexes

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wagnerrp:

just what would you have in a table that large?

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kormoc:

many years of monitoring things :)

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laga:

wee, looks like i'm done debugging for the night

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kormoc:

it's not unusual for us to insert 20–50 million rows in certain tables daily

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sveakex:

do i start the mythtvfrontend in a X session with kde for example?

[23:24:49]

sveakex:

and it occupies my entire screen?

[23:24:50]

** laga stabs the java garbage collector **

[23:24:50]

kormoc:

you can, yes

[23:25:11]

sveakex:

because i want to maybe use a pc for not only media center purposes

[23:26:27]

sveakex:

kormoc: if i exit the frontend would it still record my shows?

[23:26:42]

kormoc:

yes, the backend handles all recording

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sveakex:

ok

[23:27:21]

sveakex:

do you know how large files can become if i use a hd resolution?

[23:27:32]

wagnerrp:

no more than 19mbps

[23:27:55]

wagnerrp:

and you dont 'use a hd resolution', you capture the video stream they provide

[23:28:03]

wagnerrp:

you have no choice on the size or bitrate

[23:28:12]

kormoc:

(8.3 gigs per hour)

[23:28:15]

sveakex:

aha

[23:28:16]

k-man:

i have this video that plays fine in mplayer, but in the mythvideo player it seems to keep pausing as though the cpu can't keep up

[23:28:33]

kormoc:

k-man, and you checked the logs and found?

[23:28:57]

k-man:

kormoc: good question, ill have a look

[23:29:02]

sveakex:

8.3 gigs per hour if it is hd? but since wagnerrp said it is not possible to do it in hd how large could they become if you know

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k-man:

kormoc: which logs? the backend logs?

[23:29:52]

kormoc:

sveakex, no, that's not what he said. When you're doing a digial stream, unless you use a device like the HDPVR, you get the stream direct from the broadcaster, so you don't have any choice in the matter

[23:29:54]

kormoc:

k-man, frontend

[23:30:10]

iamlindo`:

No more than 8.3 gigs an hour, but you have no choice on whether it will get that large or not, both answers you ahve gotten are correct

[23:30:11]

kormoc:

sveakex, but yes, the 8.3 gigs per hour is the max broadcast rate

[23:30:22]

iamlindo`:

The stream is in HD, or it's not in HD, you have no choice in the matter

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k-man:

kormoc: lots of lines like this: 2009-05–31 09:30:07.352 Audio 16207 ms behind video but already 75 video frames queued. AV-Sync might be broken.

[23:30:43]

wagnerrp:

what happen? you go into work just to get internet access?

[23:30:45]

sveakex:

kormoc: 8.3 hd broadcast rate?

[23:30:52]

sveakex:

8.3gb*

[23:31:15]

iamlindo`:

wagnerrp, Heh, I'm just having a lucky hour, I guess ;)

[23:31:32]

wagnerrp:

im commenting on the abnormal name

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kormoc:

that's not even a question...

[23:31:39]

iamlindo`:

sveakex, The bitrate and the resolution have little to nothing to do with one another

[23:31:46]

kormoc:

he's jsut screwing with jams' stats

[23:31:54]

iamlindo`:

you could have 8 GB/hr SD if the cable company engineered it that way

[23:31:58]

kormoc:

he wants the top 10 to be all iamlindo clones

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sveakex:

but if i have hd quality

[23:32:22]

sveakex:

is it 8.3gb per hour?

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iamlindoro:

sveakex, The point is the max bitrate you will get will equate to no more than 8 or so GB an hour

[23:32:31]

iamlindoro:

NO

[23:32:45]

iamlindoro:

it is variable bitrate, so one more time, all together now

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sveakex:

ok

[23:32:52]

iamlindoro:

SOME SIZE NO LARGER THAN 8.3 GB AN HOUR

[23:32:53]

kormoc:

sveakex, there might be other channels in your native language if that's the problem...

[23:33:33]

iamlindoro:

over which you will have (in most cases) no control whatsoever

[23:33:46]

k-man:

it says the AV-Sync might be broken howerver the video plays fine in mplayer

[23:34:00]

wagnerrp:

you will need eleventy bajillion bits for HD recordings

[23:34:19]

kormoc:

1.86 giggawatts!

[23:34:26]

sveakex:

so whatever resolution my provider gives me the max size is 8.3gb?

[23:34:32]

wagnerrp:

its jigga

[23:34:35]

wagnerrp:

jigga!

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iamlindoro:

1.21 jigawatts? why, the only way that would even be possible would be a bolt of lightning!

[23:34:42]

kormoc:

sveakex, yes

[23:34:55]

sveakex:

kormoc: do you know what is average?

[23:35:04]

kormoc:

sveakex, there is no average

[23:35:08]

sveakex:

ok

[23:35:18]

iamlindoro:

7

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iamlindoro:

I can't tell you what it's seven of

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iamlindoro:

but an average of seven somethings

[23:35:35]

iamlindoro:

or maybe 15

[23:35:41]

iamlindoro:

yes, definitely 15 thingies

[23:35:49]

wagnerrp:

so 7 bjorts?

[23:35:49]

iamlindoro:

no, wait, 23

[23:35:59]

iamlindoro:

23 furlongs per hectare

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kormoc:

sveakex, providers even do evil things like change bit rates depending on the time of day or channel...

[23:36:05]

iamlindoro:

squared

[23:36:08]

kormoc:

so there really is no way to say

[23:36:18]

wagnerrp:

length per area? how does that work?

[23:36:39]

wagnerrp:

sveakex: ive had recordings anywhere from 1GB to 8GB/hr

[23:36:40]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I dunno, I could be talking about the linear distance I will walk within a given area

[23:37:10]

sveakex:

kormoc: hm.. but it can't be that high considering i have a pvr at 160gb and i have many hours of recording

[23:37:28]

iamlindoro:

ohhhhhhhhh dear

[23:37:33]

kormoc:

it's likely re-encoding down to a lower bitrate

[23:37:34]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Yeah, kormoc, *you* must be wrong

[23:37:45]

kormoc:

it's true

[23:37:58]

kormoc:

I'm untrustable

[23:38:03]

iamlindoro:

totally

[23:38:34]

sveakex:

hm

[23:38:40]

sveakex:

i will buy a 2tb hdd

[23:38:43]

sveakex:

or something

[23:38:50]

sveakex:

shouldn't run out so fast

[23:39:05]

kormoc:

books are nice, something I wish I had time for...

[23:39:54]

mzb:

newspapers help to light the fire

[23:40:29]

iamlindoro:

mzb, We've discussed this

[23:40:44]

mzb:

no fires in #?

[23:40:44]

iamlindoro:

When the voices say to burn things/people, you have to tell us

[23:41:04]

mzb:

ah ... my amnesia is playing up again

[23:41:05]

kormoc:

Meh, as long as the whole death thing is involved with the fire, I'm for it

[23:41:17]

iamlindoro:

GDIAFOIP?

[23:41:22]

kormoc:

yes!

[23:42:57]

wagnerrp:

when the voices inside your head tell you to do something, stab them to put them back in their place

[23:43:07]

kormoc:

in the face?

[23:43:17]

mzb:

for the last few months I've been getting a weird error during playback ... every now and then playback stops, screen goes blank for about 20 secs and then a popup something like "video buffering failed too many times"

[23:43:42]

mzb:

(ie: last few months in trunk, despite updates)

[23:44:41]

mzb:

sometimes I can play livetv for a complete day without the error occurring. Others it can happen every 20–60mins.

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mzb:

playback appears to be normal (aka perfect) prior to the error

[23:47:19]

mzb:

any hints for tracking/fixing? (that don't involve replacing all the hardware!;))

[23:48:24]

mzb:

ps: sorry to have interrupted the fun ;)

[23:48:52]

iamlindoro:

There's a ticket for the "failed to many times" issue IIRC

[23:49:07]

iamlindoro:

It clocks in just shy of a million words

[23:49:25]

iamlindoro:

but snce you're running trunk, you of course know this from your careful study of the commits and dev list ;)

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mzb:

heh

[23:49:51]

mzb:

thanks for the obvious ;)

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iamlindoro:

when you find the ticket where your scroll button finger hurts before you get to the end of the description, you've found it

[23:51:15]

mzb:

ahh

[23:51:26]

mzb:

thank you

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mzb:

not #6583 then I guess (too small)

[23:59:32]

mzb:

hmm ... searching tickets, mythtv-dev, nor the ticket system give me the result you speak of

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