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Friday, May 29th, 2009, 00:04 UTC

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wagnerrp:

theyve done it

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wagnerrp:

they ruined everything

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wagnerrp:

the #2 button on my car has gone and switched to country

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wagnerrp:

no warning or anything, just an unannounced format change

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: finding an app to reset that device fixed all my usb standby issues

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iamlindoro:

Oh comcast. ohhhhhhh comcast.

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malocite:

does anyone here use anything to spin down their harddrives in their mythboxes when not in use?

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kormoc:

just the default hard drive power management...

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wagnerrp:

last time i tried that, it caused data loss on my array

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malocite:

I've never managed to make that work. Its a project I seem to undertake that I loose interest about an hour in :)

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malocite:

at least I never lost data thoug

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malocite:

h

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wagnerrp:

offline for four and a half hours... what happened this time?

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, comcast has experienced about 10% uptime for a small part of my market sicne about Sunday

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iamlindoro:

And so I call them and reference the forum posts from people in my zip code explaining that they too are experiencing the exact same thing

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malocite:

that blows

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: looks like justinh's nicks have been merged, hes over double your lines

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iamlindoro:

and they guy does a reset from the headend and it comes back for a second

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wagnerrp:

you need to step it up

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malocite:

and of course they tell you its your router :)

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iamlindoro:

And then tell me it's *me*

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iamlindoro:

which I argue for a while and them ask for a transfer to a manager to force the issue

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iamlindoro:

and while on hold, the modem goes dead again

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iamlindoro:

then they disconnect me

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wagnerrp:

hopefully you have a real phone line

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heyheyhey:

time to reload again lol

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iamlindoro:

so now it's popped back again, who knows for how long

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Cell, but it'll do the job

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iamlindoro:

If I had six days of mostly-downtime in a major market, I would expect to get my ass FIRED

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wagnerrp:

also, apparently youre justinh's faithful follower

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iamlindoro:

I'm also the smiley-est person in the channel you know

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iamlindoro:

that's what everyone says about me-- that iamlindoro, he's sure always smiling

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wagnerrp:

well i got an HDMI cable in the mail, try shoving it through the floor, only to realize i had cut the hole rectangular and the round inductor was too wide to go through

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wagnerrp:

i guess i should try to get audio over that setup

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wagnerrp:

and pull the old DVI and 1/8" back through

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malocite:

ok

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malocite:

level 1 easy question.... how do you start the setup after the config make and install of the svn? :)

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-setup

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cesman:

level 1 answer

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cesman:

it is covered in the docs

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iamlindoro:

oh, sure, cesman, steal my standby answer

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cesman:

lol

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malocite:

jackass :)

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kormoc:

jackass?

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iamlindoro:

hrmmmmm??

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cesman:

oh?

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kormoc:

cause you don't want to bother reading the docs he's a jackass?

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iamlindoro:

he's not your help-bitch, you *should* read the docs

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malocite:

absolutely

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malocite:

:)

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kormoc:

it's not funny dude...

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malocite:

oh settle down, I've been reading lots of docs all day, and I was hoping for a quick answer

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kormoc:

you are certainly winning friends by insulting a active, contributor to the community...

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malocite:

sorry

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malocite:

not my intention

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_abbenormal:

lol

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malocite:

ive been using myth for like 2 1/2 years

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malocite:

i've even written some docs

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_abbenormal:

lmao

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malocite:

none of the official wikis but some guides none the less

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malocite:

just never used the svn

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kormoc:

running setup is the same...

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iamlindoro:

it's not "the" svn, and that step hasn't ever changed...

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_abbenormal:

hi iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

hello _abbenormal

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malocite:

Not to worry, I'm looking it up,

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malocite:

my last five installs have been through mythbuntu, I haven't done one from source in years.

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_abbenormal:

looks like your having fun

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malocite:

I usually just click on the mythbuntu control centre, which of course isn't there when you're just mucking about with the svn

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iamlindoro:

This is why I have used the ":)" more than anyone ever in this channel

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malocite:

:)

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_abbenormal:

oh b/s your just good lol

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iamlindoro:

3 x the nearest smiley

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iamlindoro:

which I also have the #1 standing in

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iamlindoro:

http://www.jmeyer.us/stats/

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iamlindoro:

:) 60992 iamlindoro

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jams:

i don't know, just updated it and you dropped off

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iamlindoro:

2 ;) 23974 iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

jams, :O

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: you do realize that's 'Last used by' not 'Most used by', right?

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iamlindoro:

poops

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, so it is

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_abbenormal:

lol good one kormoc

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iamlindoro:

:)

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iamlindoro:

;)

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iamlindoro:

:P

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iamlindoro:

:(

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iamlindoro:

;-)

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iamlindoro:

there

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jams:

hah it's not updated realtime

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iamlindoro:

jams, I blame you for that

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jams:

it's still a manual process

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iamlindoro:

Oh well, at least I'm still the #2 talky-talky

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kormoc:

:) ;) :P :( ;-) :D :/ :-) :p :-P

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Easy, #8

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jams:

it takes 6 + minutes to run through the log file each time

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iamlindoro:

jamiem, Well I *did* break a million words in-channel today

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jamiem:

iamlindoro: CONGRATS

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iamlindoro:

Yay me!

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jamiem:

... you just got me out of bed.

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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kormoc:

I knew a guy who's nick was 'GoMe'

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iamlindoro:

sorry, jamiem

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jamiem:

j/k

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jamiem:

I should be, though

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jams:

iamlindoro- if your curious greping the logs for your nick and :) returns 3576 lines

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iamlindoro:

jams, Hey, >5% ain't bad

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jamiem:

$ grep iamlindoro FreeNode-#mythtv-users.log | grep :\) | wc -l

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jamiem:

1324

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iamlindoro:

naw, I never use that one

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jamiem:

I must be new

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jamiem:

or absent

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jamiem:

it was escaping :/

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iamlindoro:

hmmm, let's see, now I'd like to know my incidence of using words like "manual", and "yourself"

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iamlindoro:

"slave", "JYA", "irritating"

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jamiem:

$ grep iamlindoro FreeNode-#mythtv-users.log | grep rtfm | wc -l

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jamiem:

0

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iamlindoro:

but especially "manual"

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jamiem:

you're not THAT mean!

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iamlindoro:

if you grep "manual" that ought to more or less have the same spirit

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jamiem:

oh wait; you did it twice in FULLCAPS

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iamlindoro:

grep -i

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jamiem:

$ grep iamlindoro FreeNode-#mythtv-users.log | grep -i the\ manual | wc -l

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jamiem:

48

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jamiem:

:)

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iamlindoro:

wiki probably has a fairly high incidence

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iamlindoro:

this is fun!

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jamiem:

342

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iamlindoro:

hmm, let's see

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iamlindoro:

"layabout"

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jamiem:

4

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iamlindoro:

100% of those are in reference to the same person

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jamiem:

should I script up a quick API for you

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iamlindoro:

heh

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jamiem:

you used the F word six times

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iamlindoro:

FWIW I meant it every time

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jamiem:

"Mar 18 20:23:44 <iamlindoro_> welcome to IRC, grow the fuck up"

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jamiem:

see: that wil now cause a false positive

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iamlindoro:

don't get yourself kicked on my account, now

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jams:

it's more like 226 times, and yes please don't get yourself kicked or muted

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jamiem:

soggy

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iamlindoro:

On that note, I am fairly certain the quoted instance above was well deserved

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jamiem:

jams has been here considerably longer than me

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jamiem:

you used the four letters version of posterior four times in my logs

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iamlindoro:

isn't that three letters?

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jamiem:

Mar 27 21:01:34 <iamlindoro_> if you configure its arse off the batteries will fall out

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iamlindoro:

oh, arse, that's not swearing-- and not a word I ever use

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jamiem:

LIES

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jamiem:

I have proof :)

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jamiem:

you used the donkey/horse hybrid word 257 times

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iamlindoro:

That last one was following justinh or gbee (UK folks) saying something about a remote IIRC

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iamlindoro:

now we're talking about words I use

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iamlindoro:

let's not get me kicked for past offenses

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jamiem:

you return zero for lots of very filthy words

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jamiem:

but the channel IS somewhat moderated !

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iamlindoro:

I was busy shouting those ones out loud

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jamiem:

oops

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jamiem:

I got my regex wrong: 14 donkey/horse in my logs

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jamiem:

Apr 01 19:23:06 <iamlindoro> IF my pathetic ass can get a bunch of code into myth, anyone can

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jamiem:

:))

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jamiem:

that's very encouraging talk

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iamlindoro:

That's still true

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jamiem:

and it was April Fools' Day

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** jamiem goes back to Engadget **

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iamlindoro:

anyway, when I started in the channel, it was not nearly as closely monitored as it is now

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iamlindoro:

It was like thunderdome!

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jamiem:

...... Tom Cruise?

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jamiem:

May 11 19:28:25 <iamlindoro> ironing my ass off?

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jamiem:

zomg VIA Nano Shuffles?

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jamiem:

talk about getting into bed

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wagnerrp:

tom cruise beyond thunderdome?

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jamiem:

"I had that Richard Wagner in my cab the other day"

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jamiem:

May 19 19:02:15 <iamlindoro> Anyway, feel free to fork myth if you don't like the way patches are applied

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iamlindoro:

that can't be the only time I said that

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iamlindoro:

BTW, it comes as a surprise to no one that I have said inflammatory things ;)

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jamiem:

sounds perfectly reasonable to me

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kormoc:

it's reasonable that iamlindoro says inflammatory things?

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iamlindoro:

Why do I have a feeling I might get in trouble for things long since said?

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kormoc:

The interwebs never forget...

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iamlindoro:

yes, but there should only be one sentencing ;)

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squidly:

e/wib

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Pontiac:

Gents

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Pontiac:

Looking at mythrename, am I to understand that it takes all files recorded, then does the rename?

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wagnerrp:

all files existing at the time of running get renamed

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wagnerrp:

however thats not really how you should be doing it

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kormoc:

depends on the options, they don't even have to be renamed, just symlinked

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wagnerrp:

use the '--link' option to symlink to them in another directory

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wagnerrp:

prevents breaking things with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and gives you some more options

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Pontiac:

That is a good idea, but what happens if the original file gets deleted? The next time mythrename occurs, does it clean up the links?

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wagnerrp:

for instance, every halfhour, i run mythrename.pl twice, using two different name formattings

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kormoc:

Yes, it can

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wagnerrp:

Pontiac: as soon as it gets deleted, samba stops showing it as existing

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wagnerrp:

it will not list a bad link

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Pontiac:

But what about via the media player?

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Pontiac:

On the front end, I mean?

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kormoc:

'the'?

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Pontiac:

`the` being mplayer.

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kormoc:

you wouldn't be using mythvideo on them...

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Pontiac:

Alright, here's what I want to do...

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kormoc:

and really, using myplayer for mythvideo is silly, the internal player is better...

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wagnerrp:

if you want to use linux, just use mythtv

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Pontiac:

I've got a few things I've captured off the TV, movies, and want to archive them at the press of a button, or, have a flag set to run a job to do the rename, copy/move/whatever.

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wagnerrp:

if you want to use windows, use mythrename.pl and the player of your choice

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kormoc:

so use nuvexport, the official mythtv exporter

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kormoc:

it'll even cut commercials out if you wanted...

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** Pontiac reads up on that. **

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Pontiac:

hehe.. Export to XVid... Disabled... Export to DivX.. Disabled.. ASF.. Disabled.. PSP, Disabled.. MP4... disabled. Awesome. {smirk} *keeps digging*

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Pontiac:

... so this basically takes the NUV, re-encodes it... uhhh.. Wasn't I gonna get beat up last night for even suggesting such a thing? heh

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Pontiac:

I think I have found a bug with the upcoming list... Gimme a sec to take a screen shot...

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Pontiac:

http://i39.tinypic.com/2nimi6s.jpg

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Pontiac:

Notice the FORCED entry and the entry after that are set to record at the same time. I only have one tuner.

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Seventoes:

I'm looking into building a silent mythtv frontend, a guide I found said that ME6000 is a great motherboard to use but it's not available on newegg, should i buy it on a different site or find a different board? I'd prefer to have it all on one order on newegg

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wagnerrp:

the ME6000?

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Seventoes:

yeah, silent 600mhz tiny board

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Seventoes:

mini-atx* lol

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Seventoes:

itx**

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wagnerrp:

oh, so you found a guide saying it was a great motherboard 6–7 years ago

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Seventoes:

lol probably

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Seventoes:

no date on the article

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wagnerrp:

avoid VIA

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clever:

my master backend is a 400mhz P2 desktop

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wagnerrp:

backend doesnt need much power

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clever:

while it does work and is able to play recordings, its not that good

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clever:

wagnerrp: yes it does, it takes forever to reschedule

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wagnerrp:

and a 400MHz P2 is probably more powerful than a 600MHz VIA

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Seventoes:

why avoid via?

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Pontiac:

VIA blows.

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Pontiac:

Their worse than bottom of the barrol.

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clever:

2009-05–28 22:58:26.763 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 842 items in 41.5 = 0.64 match + 40.84 place

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wagnerrp:

because VIA doesnt make a chip with enough power for digital TV

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Seventoes:

ouch lol

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clever:

its gotten even worse since i turned on -v schedule

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Seventoes:

so what board should i go with? i would strongly prefer it to be silent

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kormoc:

Seventoes: wait a few months for a ion platform

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wagnerrp:

why need it be silent? your TV should be making considerable noise

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Seventoes:

so when my tvs off it won't be making noise, tv is right next to my bed

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wagnerrp:

its a frontend? put it in standby

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Pontiac:

I'd suggest going over to tomshardware.com and see if you can find something there if you're insistant on 100% silent. However, a small fan isn't going to be too much of a bother. Especially if you hide it well.

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Seventoes:

well

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Seventoes:

i guess fans wont be a big deal

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wagnerrp:

i have one of my old desktops doing duty as a frontend currently

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clever:

Pontiac: ive got 2–3 computers in my bedroom with the fans wirring all night long, doesnt keep me awake

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Seventoes:

since the HDD is what makes the most noise, and i'll be using a compact flash to IDE adapter for a silent drive

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Pontiac:

clever> Some people are sensitive to sound. My wife is sensitive to light and can't sleep when any light is on.

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clever:

ah

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wagnerrp:

it has a quiet PSU (300W w/ big 120mm fan), a quiet HSF (again big ol' 120mm), and a fanless video card

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wagnerrp:

it has no hard drive

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wagnerrp:

so the only noise it makes is from the puny NF400 NB cooler

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Seventoes:

it looked like the guide was saying that the ME6000 didn't even need a tuner card.. or was i just missing something?

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Pontiac:

clever> However, myself, I tend to enjoy the sound of the fans my computers make when I pass out in this chair. heh

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clever:

lol:)

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kormoc:

the guide?

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Pontiac:

Whats the URL Seventoes?

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Seventoes:

this is the one i found

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Seventoes:

http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/frontend/set-top/silent/howto.html

[02:04:19]

wagnerrp:

and since i have it cut to half speed, the NB fan is at acceptable levels, and inaudible once the TV is making noise

[02:04:22]

iamlindoro:

Some dimwit's blog from aught-one, no doubt

[02:04:26]

wagnerrp:

a frontend does not use a tuner

[02:04:30]

wagnerrp:

backends use a tuner

[02:04:30]

Seventoes:

no date on it, but the Digg It button on the last page was submitted in 2007

[02:04:44]

wagnerrp:

so if you are not running a backend on that machine, he is correct that you dont need a tuner on it

[02:04:53]

Seventoes:

ohh ok

[02:05:11]

kormoc:

you will need a backend somewhere tho

[02:05:19]

Seventoes:

yeah i plan on using this computer here as the backend

[02:05:21]

wagnerrp:

however mythtv is of little use with no tuner, or analog capture, or firewire capture, or iptv service

[02:05:33]

wagnerrp:

you want to use the VIA box as the backend?

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Seventoes:

nono

[02:05:42]

Seventoes:

this box im using right now

[02:05:56]

wagnerrp:

as long as you dont have any framegrabbers, the VIA box wouldnt make a half bad backend

[02:06:08]

wagnerrp:

you just have to content with painfully slow scheduling runs like clever up there

[02:06:09]

Seventoes:

im trying to keep it as cheap as possible too

[02:06:14]

Seventoes:

i don't have a via box, i'm still planning this out

[02:07:05]

kormoc:

well, you have a few conflicting goals then

[02:07:08]

Seventoes:

i didn't wanna come in here and be like "hay how can i make a cheap mythtv box" and sound like a noob so i tried to research :P

[02:07:11]

kormoc:

Noise is cheap, silence is not

[02:07:26]

Seventoes:

hrmm

[02:07:37]

Pontiac:

Standby makes cheap on electricity bill too.

[02:07:44]

wagnerrp:

buy a modern AMD or Intel board, with a fanless NB cooler

[02:07:55]

Pontiac:

Or, just get some huge honk'n low RPM fans.

[02:08:03]

wagnerrp:

buy a C2D or Ath64X2

[02:08:12]

wagnerrp:

buy a big ass heatsink

[02:08:15]

kormoc:

just move to to the artic and put it outside

[02:08:22]

Seventoes:

lol

[02:08:29]

wagnerrp:

and buy a nice, quiet PSE

[02:08:31]

wagnerrp:

PSU

[02:08:39]

Pontiac:

INVEST IN THE PSU!!!!

[02:08:53]

kormoc:

I invested in a PSU, it hasn't paid out yet...

[02:08:55]

** kormoc grumbles **

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Seventoes:

lol

[02:09:00]

wagnerrp:

you dont need to invest much in the PSU, because you dont need power in a PSU

[02:09:16]

wagnerrp:

if youre running over 200W in your frontend, youre doing something wrong

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Seventoes:

so is this guide complete crap then? http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/frontend/set-top/silent/howto.html

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wagnerrp:

if theyre recommending VIA machines, yes

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u19809:

my all, how can I use mouse gestures in mythtv

[02:09:49]

u19809:

Also how can i bulk-update my video collection (avoid having to reenter each and every movie by hand ?)

[02:09:53]

Seventoes:

boo.. are there any more recent higher quality guides?

[02:09:54]

wagnerrp:

5 years ago, those were alright, now theyre just antiquated

[02:10:11]

kormoc:

u19809: you can't

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kormoc:

u19809: and you shouldn't have to

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Pontiac:

Seventoes> Have you ever built a machine before?

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Seventoes:

Pontiac: regular computers i build all the time, this is my first shot at a mythtv box

[02:10:46]

u19809:

kormoc : can't use gestures and should have to bulk-update ?

[02:10:58]

Pontiac:

Seriously, its no different.

[02:10:59]

wagnerrp:

kormoc isnt quite right

[02:10:59]

Pontiac:

Its a PC.

[02:11:06]

wagnerrp:

silence is expensive, quiet doesnt have to be

[02:11:20]

Seventoes:

i guess i'd be fine with quiet

[02:11:23]

kormoc:

u19809: right, no gestures

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Seventoes:

but i'm lost on requirements for both the frontend and the backend

[02:11:43]

kormoc:

u19809: and for bulk updating, just use the grabber scripts to update once and you shouldn't have to re-grab the data ever again

[02:11:53]

Pontiac:

What I would suggest is go to a computer shop (NOT Bestbuy or Future Shop or what have you) and ask a rep for a low end board and CPU thats easy on heat.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: that doesn't conflict with anything I said

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clever:

Pontiac: http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/IonCooler/Overview.aspx

[02:12:07]

u19809:

grabber scripts ?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: sorry, seems i misread

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clever:

Pontiac: while a little huge and alot of custom work, it has no moving parts and is fully silent

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kormoc:

u19809: yes, like tmdb.pl

[02:12:33]

Seventoes:

Pontiac: i heard somewhere onboard MPEG decoding is good for the frontend?

[02:12:36]

Pontiac:

That way ya get up to date equipment, and ANYTHING built today will work as a front end, even with a Celery chip.

[02:12:58]

Pontiac:

It'll save ya on perhaps system load, but, your bottle neck is going to be at the NIC, not the video processing.

[02:13:05]

u19809:

kormoc : i have been using freevo before and have all the imdb info locally. Also all posters are locally present too...

[02:13:18]

u19809:

700+ movies

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Seventoes:

Pontiac: i was planing on using my local wifi network, would that work?

[02:13:34]

Pontiac:

Pushing it.

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wagnerrp:

u19809: you may be able to write a script to copy all the freevo data into the mythtv database

[02:13:42]

kormoc:

for HD or SD?

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Pontiac:

What kind of wifi? G?

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Seventoes:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

but thats the only way youre going to automate this

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Pontiac:

Really really pushing it. Chances are not.

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Seventoes:

hrmm..

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kormoc:

G is fine for SD

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u19809:

wagnerrp : that is what I was looking for ... any samples I could use as basis ?

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kormoc:

200–800 kbit/sec is doable on G without a problem

[02:14:28]

kormoc:

HS on the other hand...

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kormoc:

*HD

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Pontiac:

Try copying a movie, or a 300–600 meg file, from one machine to the other and time how long it takes.

[02:14:49]

wagnerrp:

check out the mythvideo schema pages on the wiki, the tmdb.pl script as a guide, and the freevo documentation for their data structures

[02:15:42]

Pontiac:

kormoc> Not exactly true, no. With wireless, you've got latency, quality, and distance to deal with. G may be good to get that kinda speed, but if you're going through walls, its going to drop in signal strength.

[02:15:44]

Seventoes:

yeah i wont be doing hd

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Seventoes:

guess i can figure out network stuff later and run a cord if i have to.. im trying to spec some hardware atm

[02:16:37]

Seventoes:

for the backend, can i just slap a tuner card in my pc and get the software running?

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u19809:

wagnerrp. kormoc : why does the release nots of 0.20 state 'Added mouse support in menus, including gestures'?

[02:17:06]

kormoc:

Pontiac: given G gives you 6.75 megabytes per second at 100%, even with signal loss you still can do SD at fair signal levels

[02:17:07]

Pontiac:

Hardware wise, avoid VIA, for certain. I suggest going to a computer shop, asking about the hardware, indicate your requirements (Prefer silent, but will be OK with a low RPM fan).

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kormoc:

Pontiac: and with latency, that's why the BE's streaming includes buffering

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: like hell it does

[02:17:44]

kormoc:

54 megabits per second == 6.75 megabytes per second

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Pontiac:

Theoretical, sure.

[02:18:03]

Pontiac:

Real time? Chances are close to 4meg/sec.

[02:18:08]

Pontiac:

Maybe 5.

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kormoc:

which is still plenty

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wagnerrp:

thats theoretical bitstream rate, but no one claims you will ever get that in useful data rate

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: you also believe that a 200 kbit stream is not doable on G eh?

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wagnerrp:

4MBps is optimistic

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Pontiac:

Yeah, at 100% singlal strength. How far are you going from router to end point? Whats in the walls?

[02:18:39]

wagnerrp:

3 is more likely

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kormoc:

you guys have amazing signal loss...

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Seventoes:

Pontiac: 10 feet maybe, and 2 walls

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Pontiac:

I've seen G systems not be able to connect because of crap in the walls.

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wagnerrp:

but 3 should still be plenty for SD

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Seventoes:

my signal strength is 90% most of the time

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Pontiac:

For SD, should be OK, but don't have full faith in it.

[02:19:52]

Pontiac:

I HATE wireless.

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kormoc:

whatever

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Seventoes:

<3 wireless

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kormoc:

it's not like people use it all the time or something...

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wagnerrp:

wireless has its uses, i just dont think one of those should be a box that never moves

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kormoc:

It's why I got N

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kormoc:

for my HD streams

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Pontiac:

Theres no issues with clones being in here, is there?

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kormoc:

only the standard dna digression issues

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Pontiac:

heh. Well, since PCs only have DNA from dinosaurs, I think I'll be alright.

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Seventoes:

what about this board? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121342

[02:23:25]

wagnerrp:

a clone of a clone... its never quite right

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wagnerrp:

hey steve! that board will work fine for standard definition

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Seventoes:

sweet and it's cheap

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wagnerrp:

but its inadequate if you ever intend to start using digital tv

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Pontiac:

70 bucks? Nice.

[02:25:13]

Pontiac:

... shoot... I'm outta ethernet cables...

[02:25:15]

Pontiac:

I think.

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Pontiac:

I might might have to use wireless. {shiver}

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Seventoes:

digital tv meaning what? i'll be plugging in the cable line outta my wall

[02:25:44]

wagnerrp:

digital tv meaning digital tv

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Seventoes:

"I'm ready already with comcast!" Is that digital tv? lol

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wagnerrp:

youre not one of those people who have been living in a closet and unaware of the digital tv switchover are you?

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** Pontiac isn't looking forward to that. **

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kormoc:

Do you use a cable box?

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wagnerrp:

if you use a cable box and analog capture, youre fine

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Seventoes:

not on the tv i plan on putting the mythtv box on, but the comcast commercials tell me i should be all right? >.<

[02:27:13]

wagnerrp:

if you use an analog tuner card, comcast will be dropping most of youre analog lineup, and you have to get a digital tuner

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mchou:

Seventoes: dont worry about comcast

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wagnerrp:

now that box will handle standard definition digital

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mchou:

Seventoes: they are taking advantage of people's confusion to upsell digital tv tier

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Seventoes:

yeah i know about that.. sucks..

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wagnerrp:

i believe all the standard cable channels being moved to digital are standard definition

[02:28:20]

wagnerrp:

but anything HD, that chip will not work

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u19809:

wagnerrp : though I am not a perl specialist, i cannot find in that tmdb.pl program any reference to update into myth db. It only fetches and prints info of a movie based on its ID. It looks as if its input in read and parsed by the mythfrontend ...

[02:28:29]

Seventoes:

yeah im not worried about hd for my first box yet

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mchou:

Seventoes: invest in a QAM tuner.....

[02:28:55]

mchou:

Seventoes: that's much better than pvr150 or whatever

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Seventoes:

that was gunna be my next question since i found a mobo.. what tuner card is good?

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wagnerrp:

Seventoes: you have no choice about HD, if you use digital, you get what you get

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Seventoes:

pvr is what i keept seeing online, but the guides were all old

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wagnerrp:

you have no control over the resolution or bitrate

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mchou:

Seventoes: get a pinnacle 800i

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mchou:

Seventoes: if you have old school pci slots

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Seventoes:

newegg cant find it D:

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mchou:

for pci-e, get something else

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Seventoes:

this board i just picked has 1 regular pci slot

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Seventoes:

errr

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Seventoes:

lol

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Seventoes:

thats frontend nvm

[02:31:15]

mchou:

http://www.pctvsystems.com/

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mchou:

the right most one on that page

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Seventoes:

aha

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Seventoes:

their site sucks

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mchou:

Seventoes: if you want dual tuner get something like silicondust hdhomerun

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Seventoes:

dual tuner will allow me to do what?

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wagnerrp:

the card is also expensive and usually out of stock

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wagnerrp:

they have been on sale for $20–25, but now, theyre usually $70+

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wagnerrp:

a dual tuner lets you record off two channels at once

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Seventoes:

can i record one and watch another with a regular tuner?

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mchou:

the card aint expensive at all. you just got find a deal is all

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wagnerrp:

sort of

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mchou:

like anything else

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wagnerrp:

digital channels can contain multiple video streams

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wagnerrp:

and you can record all streams on one channel at a time

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wagnerrp:

but one tuner can only use one channel at a time

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Seventoes:

ah

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wagnerrp:

also, recording multiple streams on one tuner is not supported by the current hdhomerun implementation in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

there were some patches for it a while back, but i dont think anything has come of them

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Seventoes:

what about these HP t5720 thinclient's for the frontend? anyone tried that?

[02:43:18]

wagnerrp:

got a link

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Seventoes:

can only find em on ebay but they are cheap

[02:43:29]

Seventoes:

http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-Compaq-t5725-Thin-Clie . . . 1%7C294%3A50

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wagnerrp:

not sure how the Geodes are for multimedia

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wagnerrp:

but youre probably in the same boat as with the VIAs

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Seventoes:

mythtv wiki said they are an ok choice

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wagnerrp:

again... 5 years ago they were an OK choice, now its just antiquated hardware

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Seventoes:

doh

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

geoges werent out 5 yrs ago

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mchou:

geodes*

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mchou:

but you'd probably be better off getting something a bit more current

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mchou:

especially if you plan on HD down the road

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Seventoes:

which i dont yet

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Seventoes:

im just learning atm

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Seventoes:

building a learning box i guess :P

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Seventoes:

to see how it all works

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mchou:

Seventoes: trust me, you will

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wagnerrp:

heh... http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,10000000091,39155696,00.htm

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wagnerrp:

article about the new Geode NX1500, just over 5 years ago

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Seventoes:

lol

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mchou:

right, that's the best you could come up with

[02:49:20]

mchou:

a PR fluff piece about a product that wast yet released

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Seventoes:

know of any pre-built cheap solutions for the frontend?

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mchou:

wasnt*

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meshe:

sphery: fixed

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heyheyhey:

wagnerrp u know what file i am missing with this error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv

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sphery:

meshe: thanks

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sphery:

that was very fast

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meshe:

yeah, just had to wait till i was at home, it was a simple fix

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wagnerrp:

heyheyhey: its looking for libXv.so

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meshe:

i want to write a barcode to tmdb interface, I wanted a cuecat, but i've just decided against giving money to that company: http://slashdot.org/features/00/09/01/149223.shtml

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meshe:

hah, they are out of business, sweet

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wagnerrp:

seems the internets have returned

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iamlindoro:

Aaaand comcast graces me with sweet internet bytes once more

[03:58:46]

iamlindoro:

So it seems, but who knows for how long

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wagnerrp:

looks like i have to upgrade ALSA to get HDMI audio working

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iamlindoro:

1.0.18 seems to be the magic number for most people

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wagnerrp:

the wiki claims .19

[04:01:12]

iamlindoro:

YMMV, of course

[04:01:16]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/M3N78-VM

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wagnerrp:

although either way, im still using .17

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I'm sure it varies by hardware, just seems to see that number a lot

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iamlindoro:

er seem

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Pontiac:

If I have any regrets in life, its the regret that I didn't start with PVR equipment YEARS ago.

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Pontiac:

I'm enjoying this stuff way too damned much.

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Pontiac:

4am bed times, wake up at 8 with the kids... then repeat the VERY NEXT DAY..... Twice...

[04:07:54]

Pontiac:

Glutton for punishment, and its all you developers fault. ;)

[04:10:01]

heyheyhey:

wagnerrp what is QGLWidget?

[04:10:19]

wagnerrp:

a QT class

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heyheyhey:

i see i keep get that error

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heyheyhey:

i installed libqt3-mt

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wagnerrp:

QGLWidget is a class, not an error

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heyheyhey:

this is error i get mythmainwindow.cpp:9:21: error: QGLWidget: No such file or directory

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wagnerrp:

well i updated to .20 for good measure

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wagnerrp:

the digital and HDMI devices are showing up now

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foobert:

howdy.

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foobert:

any centos 5.3 familiarity in the group?

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thedarkone:

what dependence are needed for .22

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Dagmar:

If you have to ask, you shoudln't compile it.

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Dagmar:

Seriously.

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Dagmar:

This will only end in pain.

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tehgeek:

hey guys, anyone around?

[07:36:42]

tehgeek:

I've got a question about TV standards/data that I'm having a hard time getting answered

[07:36:49]

tehgeek:

actually a couple of questions

[07:36:52]

wagnerrp:

shoot

[07:37:03]

tehgeek:

the first is, "encrypted data".....I get the impression that for the most part, this is pay channels

[07:37:14]

wagnerrp:

you would be wrong

[07:37:19]

tehgeek:

Oh?

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wagnerrp:

well... technically all of cable is a pay channel

[07:37:39]

wagnerrp:

but i assume you mean premium and PPV channels?

[07:37:53]

tehgeek:

well, yes, but, I gather that there are few if any TV tuner cards that will support "encrypted channels" and as you can see I'm having a hard time figuring out what that means

[07:37:56]

tehgeek:

yeah

[07:38:07]

wagnerrp:

cablecard tuners support encrypted channels

[07:38:14]

wagnerrp:

however you have to be using Vista MCE to use them

[07:38:30]

wagnerrp:

furthermore, the recording content is stored encrypted

[07:38:35]

tehgeek:

so what are encrypted channels / how many are there on your average cable provider?

[07:38:44]

wagnerrp:

and has to be passed back through the tuner at playback time to be decoded

[07:38:51]

wagnerrp:

rendering them wholly worthless

[07:38:59]

wagnerrp:

as for what encrypted channels are

[07:39:21]

wagnerrp:

FCC regs dictate that your cable company has to provide the local broadcast channels unencrypted

[07:39:26]

wagnerrp:

everything else is fare game

[07:39:47]

tehgeek:

so they could encrypt everything else if they want, and you'd be SOL for receiving them on a tuner card?

[07:39:56]

wagnerrp:

correct

[07:40:19]

tehgeek:

my dad wants to build a homebrew replacement for his piece of Cox garbage, and I'm trying to help him because I'm good with the software/Linux side of it

[07:40:29]

tehgeek:

but I can barely understand a shred of any of this television nonsense xP

[07:40:36]

wagnerrp:

currently, i get my local channels, plus public access, cspan, tvguide, and shopping

[07:40:53]

wagnerrp:

everything else is encrypted

[07:41:21]

wagnerrp:

comcast has recently been switching over to DTAs, which are effectively a clear qam tuner and composite output

[07:41:42]

wagnerrp:

which means their former extended analog service is now broadcast digitally in the clear

[07:42:06]

tehgeek:

so, I've got a cheap ATI TV Wonder VE in my own computer here, and a regular TV in my bedroom that just picks up basic cable even though my folks pay for "Cox Digital"....now, if my TV Wonder card picks up everything that my normal TV picks up, would that indicate Cox doesn't feel like making everything encrypted?

[07:42:30]

wagnerrp:

your tv wonder is not a digital tuner, just analog

[07:42:47]

tehgeek:

oh....and analog streams can't be encrypted, is that what you're saying?

[07:43:16]

wagnerrp:

correct

[07:43:26]

wagnerrp:

you can check silicondust.com

[07:43:39]

wagnerrp:

they maintain lists of what you can pick up digitally unencrypted

[07:43:39]

tehgeek:

and even though I get all the basic channels with it, if I threw a digital tuner in here, I may not get a thing at all?

[07:43:45]

wagnerrp:

searchable by zip code

[07:43:53]

tehgeek:

(beyond local broadcast channels)

[07:43:56]

wagnerrp:

you WILL get the local broadcast channels

[07:44:02]

wagnerrp:

beyond that, its a toss up

[07:44:10]

tehgeek:

Yeah, me and my dad were looking at that....

[07:44:13]

wagnerrp:

check that website for what you should expect to get

[07:44:35]

tehgeek:

so then

[07:44:38]

tehgeek:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . ineup_286185

[07:44:47]

tehgeek:

this is /all/ my dad would be able to pick up with a digital tuner card?

[07:45:34]

wagnerrp:

seems youre unfortunate enough not to have someone in your area using a HDHomerun with cable

[07:45:39]

wagnerrp:

there is no data

[07:46:18]

tehgeek:

Bahaha.

[07:46:19]

clever:

was just thinking of something, does the hdhomerun box contact the internet on its own?

[07:46:31]

tehgeek:

well, we do live in Nowhere. I'm serious, the signs say "welcome to Nowhere."

[07:47:48]

wagnerrp:

clever: i believe it does, however you have to specify your country/zipcode, and enable it

[07:48:09]

clever:

ahh

[07:48:10]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if its the HDHR that does it itself, or if their application does

[07:48:24]

tehgeek:

so wagnerrp, there's no tuner-card solution for my dad to be able to pick up all the same channels he currently picks up on his Cox tuner?

[07:48:25]

wagnerrp:

but its completely optional

[07:48:29]

clever:

could install GPS to cheat :P

[07:48:51]

wagnerrp:

tehgeek: i wouldnt say that

[07:49:08]

wagnerrp:

apparently comcast in San Fran is very liberal about not encrypting stuff

[07:49:24]

wagnerrp:

and there are other ares that get a significant number of channels

[07:49:58]

tehgeek:

any way we could tell how many channels we'd get, before buying the hardware?

[07:50:10]

wagnerrp:

do you have a digital tv?

[07:50:28]

tehgeek:

I'm not sure. My dad's TV is widescreen HDTV, does that make it digital?

[07:50:36]

wagnerrp:

most likely

[07:50:41]

tehgeek:

then most likely

[07:50:42]

tehgeek:

;)

[07:51:18]

tehgeek:

would we just run the cable straight from the wall to the TV, and see what we can still pick up?

[07:51:20]

wagnerrp:

i only say most likely, because we have a Phillips plasma 'TV' at work that doesnt actually have a tuner

[07:51:35]

wagnerrp:

anyway, yes... plug the tv into the cable line, hope it has a QAM tuner, and do a scan

[07:51:54]

wagnerrp:

if it has a QAM tuner, it will pick up all the same channels you can expect mythtv to

[07:51:55]

tehgeek:

I can look at the model number of the TV and we could figure out from that its specs

[07:52:28]

tehgeek:

KDF-E42A10

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tehgeek:

TV System

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tehgeek:

* Tuner (Cable) : Clear QAM

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tehgeek:

* Tuner (Terrestrial) : 8 VBS, ATSC, NTSC

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wagnerrp:

the specs list a QAM tuner

[07:53:44]

tehgeek:

so that test will work, right?

[07:53:46]

wagnerrp:

so yes, plug it in, do a scan, and theres your answer

[07:53:53]

tehgeek:

okay

[07:54:16]

wagnerrp:

if youre not happy with that, there alternatives

[07:54:35]

tehgeek:

I like the idea of that HDHomeRun, but I keep finding "it won't do SD channels" then "it will do SD channels just fine"

[07:54:40]

tehgeek:

any idea on that?

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wagnerrp:

the HDHomerun doesnt do high or standard or any form of definition channels

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wagnerrp:

it does digital

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wagnerrp:

its a precompressed video stream anywhere up to 19.3mbps

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tehgeek:

well, what does the HD in its name stand for? I'm so confused, there seems to be no amount of understandability in this TV stuff

[07:55:40]

tehgeek:

:P

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wagnerrp:

so you get whatever resolution the broadcaster gives you

[07:56:05]

tehgeek:

so what you're saying is that as long as it's a digital channel, it doesn't care what definition it's picking up.

[07:56:06]

tehgeek:

right?

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wagnerrp:

correct

[07:56:30]

tehgeek:

so then, as far as the perception of the user, it should be able to pick up high-def and standard-def both just fine, right?

[07:56:34]

tehgeek:

as long as they are digital channels

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wagnerrp:

correct

[07:57:03]

wagnerrp:

specifically, as long as theyre ATSC or clear QAM channels

[07:57:16]

tehgeek:

okay, cool. now what alternatives did you mean by <wagnerrp> if youre not happy with that, there alternatives

[07:57:48]

wagnerrp:

if youre fine with standard definition, just get an IVTV mpeg encoder card, hook it up to your cable box, and record off of it

[07:58:07]

tehgeek:

he's not

[07:58:07]

tehgeek:

;P

[07:58:08]

wagnerrp:

you will get everything your cablebox will provide you

[07:58:43]

wagnerrp:

similarly, if you want HD, you can get a Hauppauge HDPVR, and hook it up to the component outputs of your cable box

[07:58:58]

wagnerrp:

note that the HDPVR is rather pricey, and only supported in mythtv trunk at the moment

[07:59:22]

wagnerrp:

those two methods guarantee that you will get everything you pay for

[07:59:50]

wagnerrp:

alternatively, there is a fourth method, connecting directly to your cablebox over firewire

[08:00:26]

wagnerrp:

in essence, you will be using your cablebox as a QAM tuner

[08:01:10]

wagnerrp:

but since it has the necessary crypto hardware, you *might* have full access to encrypted channels

[08:01:32]

tehgeek:

hmm

[08:01:39]

wagnerrp:

i say might, because the firewire itself can be encrypted

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tehgeek:

ah..

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wagnerrp:

if the stream is flagged for copy protection, the cablebox will go through 5C handshaking and encryption

[08:02:33]

wagnerrp:

if your recording device does not pass the handshaking, the cablebox will not send it video

[08:02:41]

wagnerrp:

and mythtv will not pass for obvious reasons

[08:02:49]

tehgeek:

right

[08:03:13]

tehgeek:

so, if our goal is to replace the Cox unit....and we go with HDHomeRun, then we can be guaranteed everything we see on the "hook the TV right to the wall" test, right?

[08:03:14]

wagnerrp:

but, there is no way of telling what your cableco will allow recorded over firewire without testing it

[08:03:46]

wagnerrp:

on the up side, there is no additional hardware cost of trying it, assuming your backend already supports firewire

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wagnerrp:

and yes, the HDHR will be able to receive anything your tv can

[08:04:19]

tehgeek:

mmkay.....so what about pay channels then....will he be able to buy a Pay-Per-View movie or something if he feels like it?

[08:04:23]

juski:

is 5C a reference to a frustrated user shouting 'c***' five times? :-P

[08:04:52]

wagnerrp:

very possibly

[08:04:54]

juski:

tehgeek: PPV won't be usable over firewire – you could bet your house on it

[08:05:03]

tehgeek:

juski: Not on Firewire, on HDHomeRun.

[08:05:12]

juski:

certainly not with HDHR

[08:05:12]

wagnerrp:

somehow, this is the first time ive can ever remember you using the nick 'juski'

[08:05:31]

tehgeek:

certainly not?

[08:05:44]

juski:

HDHR is only usable with streams wot are in the clear

[08:06:02]

juski:

and chances are, anything PPV will be encrypted

[08:06:04]

wagnerrp:

if something PPV is broadcast in the clear, obviously you wont have to pay to watch it

[08:06:28]

juski:

besides from what I know of PPV you'd have to scan to find the streams anyway

[08:06:40]

wagnerrp:

now on the opposite side of that argument, VOD channels are often broadcast clear

[08:06:57]

tehgeek:

So if we pay money to see a movie on PPV....what happens? how is it that we are then authorized to view the channel?

[08:06:58]

juski:

wagnerrp: sure but with HDHR you'd have no way of controlling them

[08:07:07]

juski:

you'd be watching someone else control them

[08:07:09]

tehgeek:

the company handles all that before the broadcast gets to our house?

[08:07:14]

wagnerrp:

so that they dont have to roll out new crypto codes, they just tell the STB where its located

[08:07:39]

juski:

yeah on-demand stuff is a bidirectional thing – kind of like a remote frontend

[08:07:47]

wagnerrp:

and while you can run a scan, and pick up people using VOD, its of very little use to mythtv

[08:07:54]

juski:

the box controls a streamer at the headend or whatever

[08:08:30]

tehgeek:

hm......all right, well, you've been a really huge help, thanks a lot wagnerrp :)

[08:08:41]

juski:

it's nifty stuff, VOD. we can get a load of free to watch video on demand through our cable STB at home. dunno how long it'll remain free though

[08:09:20]

juski:

just about (if not) everything the BBC shows is available on the STB's on-demand feature. all neatly indexed with a nice UI too

[08:09:30]

wagnerrp:

so just the one question?

[08:09:39]

tehgeek:

wagnerrp: One question? Lol, that was a bunch.

[08:09:45]

wagnerrp:

or did the answer to the one question fill in the rest

[08:09:57]

tehgeek:

I asked a thousand things

[08:09:59]

tehgeek:

:P

[08:10:00]

tehgeek:

I thought

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wagnerrp:

i just considered them part of the encrypted cable thing

[08:10:20]

wagnerrp:

oh well

[08:10:27]

tehgeek:

oh well indeed

[08:10:28]

tehgeek:

:P

[08:10:30]

tehgeek:

thanks again :)

[08:10:31]

juski:

just goes to show how far being a good IRC user gets you :)

[08:10:33]

tehgeek:

much appreciated

[08:10:58]

tehgeek:

juski: Well, this is a really nice channel, too, I didn't get told "If you need to ask for help, you don't deserve it" which is rare

[08:11:02]

tehgeek:

err

[08:11:06]

tehgeek:

it's rare /not/ to be told that

[08:11:08]

tehgeek:

in IRC help channels

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wagnerrp:

well usually here, its if you havent glanced at the docs, you dont deserve it

[08:12:06]

tehgeek:

Well I cheated by asking questions about TV instead of the Myth software :P

[08:12:14]

wagnerrp:

often people come in here with glaringly useful error codes

[08:12:24]

tehgeek:

I am pretty good with the Myth software, a long time ago I used it just on my computer with that crap card of mine

[08:12:25]

tehgeek:

just for fun

[08:12:27]

wagnerrp:

such as 'cannot connect to database'

[08:12:39]

tehgeek:

yeah I always have that problem, have to run dpkg-reconfigure

[08:12:40]

tehgeek:

on the database

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wagnerrp:

'what does that mean?'... 'is mysql running?'.... 'i need to run mysql to use mythtv???'

[08:13:03]

tehgeek:

head-desking time

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wagnerrp:

which at that point, you just want the world to burn

[08:13:28]

tehgeek:

yeah.

[08:13:57]

tehgeek:

Anyways, thanks again very much, you've made me significantly not-as-confused-as-before :)

[08:14:12]

tehgeek:

hopefully I can explain it all to my dad

[08:14:13]

tehgeek:

:P

[08:14:29]

wagnerrp:

ah... seems there is a page on the wiki detailing all of this

[08:14:42]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

[08:14:52]

wagnerrp:

stop bugging us and read the docs.... :P

[08:15:47]

tehgeek:

Heh.

[08:15:48]

tehgeek:

:P

[08:16:34]

Stacklob:

how can i identify 2 identical tuner cards in the system?

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wagnerrp:

ill have to remember that one... theres generally someone in here asking about that every couple days

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Stacklob:

oh :/

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Stacklob:

i'm fiddling with /sys

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wagnerrp:

Stacklob: that was an answer to a previous discussion

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Stacklob:

but can't make the connection between /sys and mythbackend status

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Stacklob:

wagnerrp, oh, can you remember?

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wagnerrp:

both of my 150s record from the same source, so ive never needed to find out

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wagnerrp:

i know someone was talking about using the MACs off DVB cards for identification a couple months ago

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wagnerrp:

but that was more from a development standpoint

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Stacklob:

hmhmhm

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wagnerrp:

the standard method is just to make custom udev rules to maintain proper numbering

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Stacklob:

good idea!

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Stacklob:

:D

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wagnerrp:

i presume using the PCI ID as an index if you have nothing else to differentiate

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wagnerrp:

ive never done it personally

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Stacklob:

i'm gonna dig into that

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Stacklob:

thanks for the ideas wagnerrp :)

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juski:

it's mostly the plain English error messages people have problems with

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Maliuta:

yeah, americans can't even spell or pronounce aluminium

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Maliuta:

:P

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juski:

loominum? loominoomium?

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jduggan:

lol

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juski:

nook-leer?

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jduggan:

lmfao

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juski:

or noook you lar

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sid3windr:

nook you larr!

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** juski is glad he lives nowhere near Warseistershire **

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juski:

or even Lie-cester-shire

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juski:

god, that dbox2 kid just isn't giving up is he

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jduggan:

hrm

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** jduggan boggles **

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jduggan:

is that /worcestershire/ ? :P

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** jduggan used to live near it **

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jduggan:

infact i have to drive through it this evening

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jduggan:

:S

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juski:

niiiice

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jduggan:

300mile round trip ;o

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juski:

tonight I mostly have to sit in the garden drinking beer watching meat burn over hot coals I reckon

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juski:

same thing tomorrow too

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stuarta:

that's making me depressed

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jduggan:

lmfao

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jduggan:

juski: sounds good =]

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jduggan:

cept teh burning part

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stuarta:

i've no back yard in which to have a bbq

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juski:

well yeah, obviously

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jduggan:

stuarta: get a disposable

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juski:

no front yard either?

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stuarta:

that's what i get for living in london

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jduggan:

stuarta: balcony? pavement? =]

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stuarta:

no balcony

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jduggan:

go to the park

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jduggan:

=]

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stuarta:

illegal

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jduggan:

i sit

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jduggan:

wow

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juski:

illegal?! wtf kind of state is this?

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juski:

ahh prolly H&S issues

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stuarta:

live near a massive common, and the park by-laws prohibit bbq's

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stuarta:

it sucks badly

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juski:

how much is the fine? ;-)

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stuarta:

500 quid

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juski:

oof

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jduggan:

get on the train to brighton

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jduggan:

bbq on teh beach

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juski:

remind me not to move to london. heh

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stuarta:

on the bright side, i'm in the middle of buying a house in the country

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jduggan:

mmm, sounds good =]

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stuarta:

that has yard

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stuarta:

1st purchase = BBQ

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jduggan:

in london?

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stuarta:

2nd purchase = meat

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juski:

3rd purchase = beer!

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stuarta:

aye

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stuarta:

jduggan: country

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stuarta:

!= london

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jduggan:

ohh

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jduggan:

sorry

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jduggan:

'in the country'

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jduggan:

i took as

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jduggan:

'in the UK'

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jduggan:

haha

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stuarta:

hah

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juski:

good time to buy a house if you can afford it

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jduggan:

where do you consider 'the country' ?

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juski:

well, certainly better than it was a year ago anyway :)

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jduggan:

yea, nationwide saw 1% rise in house prices... maybe its hot bottom already

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jduggan:

news this morning

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jduggan:

s/hot/hit/

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** juski blames the Daily Mail readers **

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** jduggan gave up on reading news papers **

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juski:

so did I, but doesn't stop me blaming the xenophobic middle Englanders for everything

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jduggan:

heh

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stuarta:

juski: 40mins or so from london in the direction of southampton

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stuarta:

err, i think that was jduggan's question

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

im from deep in the welsh mountains

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jduggan:

thats country side =]

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juski:

sounds lovely isn't it

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jduggan:

haha, is that a joke

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jduggan:

i have a flat english accent, i dont speak with a welsh accent ;o

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** laga has zee german accent **

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laga:

;)

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jduggan:

kweek, zee engleesh

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** jduggan does his fawlty towers impression **

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juski:

don't mention ze var

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laga:

hrhr

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mythman:

Had to re install mythbuntu and have a new database how can i import old recordings

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juski:

had to reinstall? why?

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juski:

if you don't have a copy of the old database you won't be able to recreate any metadata for old recordings

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mythman:

ok thanks could not connect to old database for some reason

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juski:

'some reason' generally stems from pebcak

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Dibblah:

Is wanting to kill all project managers espousing genocide?

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juski:

not unless they're all from the same pod

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juski:

s/pod/hatchery

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Chicago:

juski, that's pebkac

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juski:

lol

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juski:

that puts me in mind of http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

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Essobi:

Morning...

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iamlindoro:

Wonder when Udo and company will figure out that lists of ps output and/or graphs WILL NOT HELP

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, I was just about to comment on his re-(re-re-re-re-...)posting

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Into unrelated threads, even

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sphery:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

it's like pig flu, he's infecting other threads

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I'll start wearing a mask while reading the list

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iamlindoro:

laga: a latex mask sounds like a recipe for asphyxiation...

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laga:

i meant LaTeX

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iamlindoro:

HAhaha... "Ubuntu is based on Debian, a distribution known for its excellent package management and selection of packages, including such excellent games as The Battle for Wesnoth and the Quake II engine (game not included)."

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laga:

are you reading phoronix? :)

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iamlindoro:

laga: Hehe, I'm reading the encyclopedia dramatica entry on Ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

Which is too offensive on the whole to quote extensively here

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iamlindoro:

"Don't bother trying to flood #ubuntu on freenode. It already is flooded, 24 hours a day, by whining Ubuntu n00bs. You see, whenever a n00b is using Ubuntu and suddenly comes across a problem, assuming he knows anything about IRC, instead of actually trying to find out how to fix it himself he heads straight for #ubuntu, like a child running into his parents' room after a bad dream. Because of this, #ubuntu is kept at 800 whiny losers b

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jams:

iamlindoro- have you read http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980

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jams:

it's a glibc bug

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iamlindoro:

jams: Yes, that guy is clearly nuts

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jams:

yep and I think the others on the ticket enjoyed egging him on.

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iamlindoro:

jams: Wonder whether the Red Hat folks (who evidently employ him) have anything to say about such aggressive behavior

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laga:

uldrich drepper?

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iamlindoro:

laga: yeah

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laga:

he's awesome

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jams:

didnt redhat at some point use eglibc or was that egcc

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janneg:

egcc

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janneg:

egcs

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jams:

yeah thats it

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stuarta:

jams: well that might explain why debian has decided to switch to EGLIBC

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squidly:

iamlindoro: do you have a full link to that quote (I would like to read it)

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iamlindoro:

squidly: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Ubuntu (warning: EXTREMELY OFENSIVE and probably NSFW)

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sid3windr:

yeah, it is

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sid3windr:

dreppers attitude is one of the main reasons they fork

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iamlindoro:

Also, here's RMS being a disgusting freak and eating chunks of his own foot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ&am . . . yer_embedded

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sid3windr:

ED offensive? come on now =)

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laga:

ED is pure nihilism

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iamlindoro:

sid3windr: Just trying to avoid being blamed for any of the contents

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sid3windr:

:]

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squidly:

iamlindoro: ty for the warning

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jblack:

That's a nice thread

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jams:

you almost have to warn about those things

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iamlindoro:

hahaha, "chown -R us ./*base"

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squidly:

yea you never know when someone is at work

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laga:

server reboot. wish me luck.

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squidly:

laga: good luck

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jams:

squidly- he didn't say which kind of luck

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laga:

good luck.

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squidly:

jams: haha

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squidly:

iamlindoro: do they have one about gentoo?

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iamlindoro:

squidly: They have a search box ;)

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iamlindoro:

ah, redirects to Lunix

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squidly:

iamlindoro: hah

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squidly:

i will have to read that one too

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subquake:

anyone awake?

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squidly:

subquake: nope

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subquake:

=P

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iamlindoro:

You'll never find out unless you ask a real question

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** stuarta falls asleep **

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subquake:

you know I think you're right

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stuarta:

maybe we could try hunting wabbits

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subquake:

I can't seem to figure out why mythtv won't grab the signal from my card

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subquake:

I'm able to get a few frames out of xine before it crashes

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subquake:

and xine gives me some weird crazy dump

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subquake:

memory corruption?

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iamlindoro:

impossible to tell given the information provided, and you'd have to ask #xine anyway, since we don't support that here

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iamlindoro:

in any case, if multiple programs are not capturing form a card properly, it sounds like a lower level problem than concerns mythTV

[16:22:21]

iamlindoro:

in which case I'd suggest #linuxtv for a digital card, and #v4l for an analog card

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iamlindoro:

once they have guided you through confirming the card is fine, *then* you can tackle myth

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iamlindoro:

A very very shooting-from-the-hip thing to try might be switching to a different slot, if PCI

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subquake:

ooh!

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subquake:

I can do that!

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iamlindoro:

but again, if things aren't working after that, wou should troubleshoot the card itself first in either #linuxtv or #v4l

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iamlindoro:

s/wou/you/

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subquake:

you think it means anything that I can get a few frames before it bails on me?

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iamlindoro:

everything means something, that just doesn't mean anything *conclusive*

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wagnerrp:

its kind of funny... how long have people been saying SATA2 is unneeded because disks cant run that fast, and now we urgently need SATA3 because 2 is slowing down SSDs

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cynicismic:

sata2 was needed for hot-swap which I don't think was in the original sata specs

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wagnerrp:

hotswap was in SATA1, however most boards were not AHCI compliant and did not support hotswap

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cynicismic:

knew it was something along those lines..

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wagnerrp:

although at the time, there was little motivation to do so because WinXP did not support AHCI either

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, bummer, no Plymouth/KMS in the next Ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

I've always thought the KMS stuff would make for a really nice experience in booting a mythbox w/ custom splash stuff

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wagnerrp:

KMS?

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RyeBrye:

I've tried using splashy with no succes

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iamlindoro:

Kernel Mode Setting

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laga_:

i looked into adding plymouth to my arch setup today, but it's not exactly plug and play

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive considered getting a framebuffer and splash screen set up

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Fedora's already got it, just a nice, clean boot experience: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . th&num=1

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wagnerrp:

but ever time i do so, i realize that rebooting means i screwed up mythtv somehow

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wagnerrp:

so its just video and/or rendered graphics during bootup

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iamlindoro:

Well, sort of, it's flicker free, so you can go straight from POST into a video mode that will not change until you have a desktop

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iamlindoro:

and yes, during the bootup process display fancy shmancy video or graphics or whatever

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iamlindoro:

But the latter is a byproduct of the former

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laga_:

the really nice thing about plymouth is that it can log the boot messages

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what you mean by flicker-free.... ive never really noticed any flickering whenever ive bothered to set up fbsplash on my laptop

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laga_:

which i findd unbelievable that it's not already happening

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RyeBrye:

dmesg doesn't log boot messages?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Text mode->usplash->moment of text mode->final desktop video mode

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: versus POST->desktop video mode

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wagnerrp:

dmesg logs the kernel boot sequence

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt log the clean on screen log provided by your init script

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wagnerrp:

ah, so there is no noticeable transition from the boot sequence into X

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iamlindoro:

right

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wagnerrp:

im reading some Ars post about 'physicalized' servers

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wagnerrp:

1U servers that have half a dozen Nano or Atom chips

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wagnerrp:

but they bring up an interesting point, the relatively underpowered systems can get by just fine with gigabit networking equipment

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gbee:

on the subject of KMS, any work being done to add support for Nvidia/ATI?

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I seem to recall reading that the latest ATI driver should have support

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laga_:

iamlindoro: the proprietary drivers?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

lemme see if I can dig up where I saw that (or where I misunderstood)

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gbee:

heh, problem with that is they dropped support for my x1250 a couple of versions ago, but maybe it will find it's way into the OS driver

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iamlindoro:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzIzOA

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iamlindoro:

OK, so my bad, it's Radeon

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iamlindoro:

rather than fglrx

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wagnerrp:

so you get fancy boot, or fancy desktop... but not both?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122845

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iamlindoro:

Per the nvidia employee in that thread, the kernel hooks for KMS are exported for GPL code only

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iamlindoro:

which seems short sighted

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thedarkone:

i lost my list of dependices for .22

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thedarkone:

lol

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wagnerrp:

it would seem Allen has branched into netflix streaming

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: What do you mean? (may have missed whatever you're talking about on the list)

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wagnerrp:

well there was allensdigitalaudiohowto, apparently theres also an allensnetflixstreaming

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iamlindoro:

haha

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wagnerrp:

both of which completely worthless, because theyre one big large word, unsearchable by the wiki search algo

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iamlindoro:

Can we get someone with wiki admin ability to move those pages to something more appropriate, with a "don't name pages after yourself" summary?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, maybe?

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laga_:

iamlindoro: so, if i change my name to HD-PVR, does that rule still apply?

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wagnerrp:

you search for 'audio' or 'digital audio' and youll NEVER find those pages

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iamlindoro:

laga_: Heh

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wagnerrp:

theyre not listed in any categories

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wagnerrp:

and only linked to by his own pages

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wagnerrp:

so the only way to even find them is by searching for allen

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iamlindoro:

You could move the text into the proper pages and mark them for deletion

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iamlindoro:

heh, there's "allensNetflixStreaming2" too

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wagnerrp:

maybe once i actually get this working

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wagnerrp:

yeah, what he had to say wouldnt fit on one page apparently

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wagnerrp:

i cant seem to get ALSA to use device 3 (HDMI), it wants to stick with device 0 (analog)

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gbee:

the digital audio howto contains a config, subtitute the device numbers for the correct one and then use the named -digital device in myth

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iamlindoro:

Think the "2" is the exact same page

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iamlindoro:

so I'm marking that for deletion

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wagnerrp:

gbee: yeah, done that... but asound.conf doesnt seem to be taking effect

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sphery:

wagnerrp: do you have a ~/.asoundrc (overrides /etc/asound.conf)

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wagnerrp:

had none, but duplicated asound.conf into it.... no effect

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wagnerrp:

looks like theres a /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf

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wagnerrp:

probably not a file im supposed to be editing... but if it works

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wagnerrp:

nope, 'aplay -L' still lists as grabbing off device 0

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gbee:

wagnerrp: pastebin aplay -L

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gbee:

and -l and the asoundrc

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heyheyhey:

wagnerrp can u tell me what i am doing wrong here

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heyheyhey:

http://pastebin.com/m76965244

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wagnerrp:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1439844

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wagnerrp:

heyheyhey: thats impossible without seeing the top error

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heyheyhey:

i will pastebin whole error

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wagnerrp:

likely youre not picking up a header file properly, and thats trashing the whole compile

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heyheyhey:

yeah

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heyheyhey:

but i have qt3 headers

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wagnerrp:

and youre trying to compile 0.21-fixes, right?

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heyheyhey:

http://pastebin.com/m5b8c578c

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heyheyhey:

no trunk

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wagnerrp:

well theres your problem

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gbee:

heh

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laga:

if you fuck up like that, you shouldn't run trunk

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iamlindoro:

YES +10000000

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iamlindoro:

This is a great example of "give me advice, except when I don't want to hear it, in which case go screw yourself"

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wagnerrp:

the BIGGEST CHANGE between 0.21 and trunk is the change from qt3 to qt4

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wagnerrp:

qt3 headers arent going to get you anywhere

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** J-e-f-f-A prefers V8 Headers... Oh wait, we're talking about Myth, not my car... ;-) **

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heyheyhey:

laga i lost my list when i had to reformat this pc

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wagnerrp:

your list?

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heyheyhey:

i always make a list of files i need

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laga:

wagnerrp: the naughty list

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gbee:

wagnerrp: mine's basically just the wiki example with device names modified for hdmi, might be worth a try – http://www.pastebin.ca/1439857

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gbee:

s/names/numbers/

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gbee:

heyheyhey: trunk uses QT4, not qt3

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heyheyhey:

yeah i figured that out

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wagnerrp:

any way to download a text file from pastebin... or is it only copy-paste?

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heyheyhey:

i can't remeber what set of headers it needs

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wagnerrp:

ah, download raw

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tank-man:

heyheyhey, usually the "list" of "requirements" are in included documentation

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gbee:

that example includes re-mixing to 48Khz, required for most audio to work with spdif/hdmi

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J-e-f-f-A:

!seen mzb

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MythLogBot:

mzb is here and has been idle for 15 hours 13 minutes 29 seconds

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wagnerrp:

ok, ill try that, thanks

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** J-e-f-f-A no wonder mzb ain't around... it's 4:00am down there! ;-) (of course, that's when I go to bed half the time! ;-) ) **

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: stop making excuses for him

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs **

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wagnerrp:

nope, no playback in mythtv, no changes to aplay -L

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wagnerrp:

lets reboot for good measure...

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gbee:

wagnerrp: change the audio device in mythtv to digital-dmix, it's one of the pre-configured options

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gbee:

sorry, make that mixed-digital

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wagnerrp:

well i had to pull out a keyboard and run fsck... somehow the filesystem borked itself in such a way that a simple journal replay wouldnt cut it

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wagnerrp:

ive really found iscsi to be a detriment to my FS's well being

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wagnerrp:

and a bit longer, since i seem to have whiped out my config directory

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wagnerrp:

if /etc/conf.d just got blown away... that worries me what else may have been lost

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wagnerrp:

i guess if nothing else, i can roll back to a snapshot from a couple days ago

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heyheyhey:

wagnerrp i figured out what i did wrong

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heyheyhey:

lol

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wagnerrp:

you tried to compile trunk against qt3?

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heyheyhey:

well when i did configure i didn't install qt4

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heyheyhey:

so i had to reconfigure and now it compiles

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sphery:

wagnerrp: did you see GreyFoxx's post about ATA over Ethernet? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/383810#383810

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wagnerrp:

sphery: my intent was to use the built in iscsi server in ZFS

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wagnerrp:

but as it turns out... that doesnt exist in freebsd

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wagnerrp:

ill have to see if there are any ataoe servers available

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kormoc:

ATAoE is snazzy

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laga:

does anyone know what the memory limit for a single process is on a 32bit bit machine with a -bigmem kernel?

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wagnerrp:

its going to be whatever your memory split is

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wagnerrp:

probably 2 or 3GB

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laga:

ah

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laga:

okay

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laga:

turns out that wasn't my problem, though, it was the max heap size in java.

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sphery:

isn't that limited to 2GB?

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laga:

sphery: i hear it's 128M by default

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laga:

hum. i set max heap space to 2G and i still get the same error

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laga:

well, i am actually trying to hold a little over 2G of data in a StringBuffer *cough*

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wagnerrp:

sounds painful

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laga:

yeah. not going to worry about efficiency too much beyong getting it running, it's just homework

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sphery:

2G of data before or after converting to 16-bit Unicode?

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sphery:

(i.e. if reading a 2GB ASCII file, it's 4GB in Java)

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laga:

sphery: good point.

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laga:

i think it's latin1, so, yeah, 8bit.

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sphery:

IIRC, the linux x86_64 JVM allows larger heap sizes

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laga:

that's not an option, unfortunately :(

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dustybin:

out of all the IRC channels / networks im in, you guys win hands down as being the most geeky

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laga:

loading 2G of data in one StringBuffer is not geeky, it's dumb

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wagnerrp:

even more than your fellow social engineers?

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sphery:

Hmmm. From the java (6) man page, when discussing -Xmx: On Linux platforms, the upper limitis approximately 2000m minus overhead amounts.

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laga:

i've reduced data size now, but it still dies.

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laga:

sphery: thanks for looking into this, but it's really not that important. i'm just stress testing some app i wrote, but i will never get into these extreme cases

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sphery:

Yeah. I'm just surprised that it's limited to 2GiB--even on 64-bit Linux. Guess they don't want to cut into the Sparc market. Stupid Sun^H^H^HOracle.

[19:12:07]

laga:

heh

[19:12:21]

iamlindoro:

sunacle... spectacle?

[19:12:28]

RyeBrye:

you can get 64 bit JVM

[19:12:56]

sphery:

Oh, and rename their chip to Sparcle :)

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RyeBrye:

You have to install the 64-bit JVM on a 64-bit linux distro, but then you can use -Xmx greater than 2Gb

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sphery:

Ah, you're right. The man just page needs updated.

[19:17:06]

sphery:

Hmm... Wait. Obviously my test wasn't valid--it also succeeds on my 32-bit system.

[19:17:32]

sphery:

It accepts any value you specify, but it may ignore it.

[19:18:05]

RyeBrye:

http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/Repository_Hard . . . e_32.2F64bit talks about performance tuning and in passing describes using a 64-bit JVM and some settings upwards of 8Gb Xmx

[19:18:07]

sphery:

don't feel like thrashing the HDD now, so I'll investigate later :)

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sphery:

Looks like the max on 32-bit Linux is 2GB – "overhead" (which means about 1.7GB in reality)

[19:20:18]

RyeBrye:

Did you use -Xms? if you just say "-Xmx" it might not puke. If you use -Xms you're telling it the min heap size so setting a larger-than-possible value should cause it to puke

[19:21:40]

sphery:

ah... I forgot the m :)

[19:24:38]

sphery:

heh, and all the things I saw on the net said 1.7GB, but I'm getting 2.6GB on mine because I have a 1/3 split on my system. Note how 2600 works and 2700 doesn't: http://pastebin.ca/1439998

[19:25:23]

laga:

nice

[19:25:39]

sphery:

3100 gives me a nice segfault :)

[19:25:43]

RyeBrye:

out of curiosity, I checked 'man java' on a server I have a 64-bit JVM and the sun java jdk I installed didn't even install manpages

[19:26:12]

RyeBrye:

maybe the man pages for the java you are getting are from the distro's openjdk or icedtea or whatever it installs?

[19:26:13]

sphery:

yeah, they're "installed" at $JAVA_HOME/man/man.1 --so, something like man $JAVA_HOME/man/man.1/java.1

[19:26:33]

sphery:

Nope, I know this distro inside out. They're definitely Sun JDK

[19:26:34]

RyeBrye:

ah, I see them now

[19:27:03]

sphery:

I don't have it in my man path, either--and now that I know they're useless, I won't ever consider putting them there ;)

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RyeBrye:

Yep, you're right. their man page is wrong.

[19:28:49]

sphery:

Yeah. Probably was last updated when they first released a (32-bit) GNU/Linux JVM.

[19:29:49]

sphery:

That was a fun distraction... Now, back to trying to figure out how to make my patch do what I want it to do...

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gbee:

having shitty luck with hardware lately, my scanner has mysteriously died

[19:35:59]

gbee:

guess I'll have to go down to the library tomorrow and do my photocopying there :/

[19:37:14]

sphery:

I had bad luck with a Canon LiDE scanner. The stupid thing wouldn't die. I finally just went out and bought one with good Linux support.

[19:41:40]

gbee:

this was a supported LiDE, one of the very few supported LiDEs which isn't produced anymore, don't feel I got enough use from it

[19:45:52]

RyeBrye:

I've had an LiDE behave strangely before even on non-linux machines

[19:46:53]

sphery:

Mine was listed as "Good" for support. It was an old parallel one (CanoScan 600, IIRC). I dropped it for an Epson (Perfection 2400 Photo--refurb from Epson's website) that has "Complete" support and it's so much better.

[19:46:55]

Pontiac:

Hey sphery, do you have anything to do with the LISTINGs section?

[19:47:06]

sphery:

which section?

[19:47:18]

Pontiac:

Displaying and calculating whats supposed to be recorded.

[19:47:19]

sphery:

did you see my post on Craig's List?

[19:47:24]

sphery:

Oh... nvm.

[19:47:55]

sphery:

I play around with some parts occasionally. Do you have a question?

[19:48:57]

Pontiac:

More so that I found a bug or something. I have one tuner, but two shows are apparently going to be recorded. I forced one show to be recorded, and it shows, but the conflicting recording (Which previously was scheduled to be recorded) is still showing as its going to be recorded.

[19:49:08]

Pontiac:

Going to find the screen shot.

[19:49:13]

sphery:

digital capture card?

[19:49:17]

gbee:

liked this particular model because it's bus-powered and very portable, now I've got to go through the entire process of finding a supported model with the same attributes and reasonable price

[19:49:21]

Pontiac:

No.

[19:49:22]

sphery:

if so, they may be on the same multiplex, so it's recording both

[19:49:35]

Pontiac:

Its only setup for one recording device. /dev/video0.

[19:50:10]

sphery:

and that's either a frame grabber or a hardware encoder (PVR-x50/500 or HVR-1600 analog side or whatever)?

[19:51:07]

Pontiac:

02:0a.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev f0)

[19:51:07]

Pontiac:

Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 4845

[19:51:11]

Pontiac:

Framegrabber.

[19:51:24]

sphery:

Pontiac: rather than a screenshot, can you pastebin the output of: mythbackend --printsched

[19:51:34]

Pontiac:

http://i39.tinypic.com/2nimi6s.jpg

[19:51:36]

Pontiac:

err.. Sure. Sec.

[19:51:59]

sphery:

screenshot is nice, too--just not absolutely necessary if I have a printsched

[19:52:11]

kormoc:

mythweb might also just be broken

[19:52:26]

Pontiac:

http://pastebin.ca/1440033

[19:53:28]

kormoc:

in mythweb, do a shift + click the refresh button?

[19:53:56]

Pontiac:

Still the same.

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kormoc:

that's really odd

[19:54:48]

kormoc:

-fixes or -trunk?

[19:55:17]

Pontiac:

Distro – Mythbuntu

[19:55:54]

Pontiac:

I'm being told I have to go outside now. ... oldest in the house hold and I'm still told what to do by the wife. heh

[19:56:01]

Pontiac:

I'll be back in a few hours.

[19:56:57]

sphery:

Pontiac: yeah, your printsched shows a conflict for Canada's Worst Driver and Holmes on Homes is being recorded on encoder 1

[19:57:33]

jams:

excellent show that Holmes on Homes

[19:58:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ooh, that Zotac ION looks really neat... ;-)

[19:58:36]

iamlindoro:

Home improvement shows and food network are the only things on TV right now anyway

[19:58:40]

** kormoc wonders why a canadian would use a american car brand as his nick **

[19:59:02]

sphery:

maybe he likes the river in canada?

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iamlindoro:

Zotac is probably selling a boatload by virtue of being the one and only DIY option available

[19:59:32]

iamlindoro:

Might as well print money until someone else comes along

[19:59:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

I'd buy one right now if I had the $$$ available... ;-)

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kormoc:

I saw $$$ and wondered if that was the prototype js css v3 selector

[20:01:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: hehe... ;-)

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laga:

meh, how i want to do things and how the api wants me to do things is not always the same :(

[20:04:14]

kormoc:

so change the api!

[20:04:21]

laga:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Yay open sores!

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Pontiac:

Pontiac was a Canadian indian chief. However, I have no blood of an Indian. heh

[20:11:43]

iamlindoro:

Indeed, or you might find yourself saying "Native American" instead

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sphery:

what's up with wikipedia redirecting "America" to "United States"? Shouldn't it redirect to "Americas" or something?

[20:13:50]

xris:

sphery: because probably 90% of people who hear "america" think "US"

[20:14:04]

xris:

like.. I'm "american" not "US-ian"

[20:14:07]

sphery:

Oh, wait... It was Google that sent me there.

[20:14:12]

xris:

lol

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xris:

has its own page on wikipedia, apparently

[20:14:39]

sphery:

They actually have a nice disambiguation page for America that their search takes you to.

[20:15:41]

sphery:

though the "usually refers to" lists "The Americas" and "The United States of America"

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iamlindoro:

Anyone with tons of dd-wrt experience recommend anything better than a Linksys WRT54GL?

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jams:

my motorola wr850 seems to work well

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and I don't think my flashing a Dell-brand router with DD-WRT will help you much... ;-) (I've gotta put that thing to use!)

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iamlindoro:

jams: Cool, will take a look at that one too, thanks

[20:35:40]

jams:

lets put it this way, I have both the 850 and the linksys. The linksys sits on the shelf while the 850 has been working well for years.

[20:36:33]

jams:

I do use a seperate access point for wireless though, but thats just because the AP doesn't work so well inside the metal box.

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sphery:

what "better" are you looking for? more memory? more stuff?

[20:36:57]

sphery:

don't a lot of people rave about the Asus things...

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iamlindoro:

sphery: asus routers?

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sphery:

they're more like little computers, AIUI

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iamlindoro:

Never even heard of asus doing routers, but sure enough, there they are

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jams:

i bet ther are rock solid

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laga:

heart touching?

[20:39:30]

jams:

you bet!

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laga:

i bought a wrt54gl the other day, because i knew openwrt would run on it and they had it in stock. should have gotten an asus one, but the wrt54gl is just sitting under my desk, working happily :)

[20:40:11]

sphery:

WL300G/500B/500G, etc things

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laga:

usb surely is nice.

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sphery:

what happened to toh.openwrt.org? just sends you back to home page, instead of the Table of Hardware

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laga:

my next project will be a temperature sensor for the serial port so i can log room temperature. humidity is not that easy, unfortunately :(

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kormoc:

Happy early Bavaria Day to all you canadians out there!

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** laga seriously wondering if he's starting to sound like clever **

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Pontiac:

What does S C I T N mean?

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Pontiac:

In the --printsched

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sphery:

iamlindoro: the WL-500g Deluxe has 32MB RAM (4MB Flash), wireless NIC, serial, USB. http://oldwiki.openwrt.org/Hardware(2f)Asus.html

[20:45:13]

Pontiac:

I was just thinking I *DID* have two tuners working for a short while, but when I couldn't get it to work, I just removed it from the system. I'm wondering if somethings stuck in the database stating that there still is a second card, and the algo to do the scheduling is messing up because of it?

[20:46:25]

sphery:

Pontiac: Source ID, Card ID, Input ID, Recording Type (character), Recording Status (character)

[20:47:00]

Pontiac:

Card ID and Input ID are?

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sphery:

It's showing both on source 1, but card id and input id of 0 means it's not associated with any card or input (i.e. won't record)

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sphery:

card ID as in the DB primary key for the capturecard table/input ID ... for the cardinput table

[20:48:42]

sphery:

Pontiac: at this point--based on --printsched--I'm assuming it's either a MythWeb bug or your MythWeb is talking to the wrong backend

[20:49:10]

sphery:

Pontiac: but if you want to make sure all is fine in capture card/card input world: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (both the capture card and video sources portion)

[20:50:02]

Pontiac:

Alright, I'll drop all the sources when I'm not recording.

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Pontiac:

Gotta go. Kids solo outside. heh

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** sphery pictures a child playing a violin alone outside **

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wagnerrp:

how do dual-chip cards work with CUDA? do they just show up as two separate chips, each with their own memory?

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wagnerrp:

one has to wonder what use is a wireless router when one has no internets to use it with

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meshe:

heh

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sivchand:

does anyone know of any issues with comcast cable and mythtv

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wagnerrp:

such as?

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sivchand:

crashes in middle of recordings

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wagnerrp:

your cableco should not be capable of crashing mythtv, short of sending a corrupted TS that would probably break other devices as well

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sivchand:

i am using pchdtv card

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sivchand:

and using OTA there are no issues

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sivchand:

myth started crashing after switching to comcast

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wylie:

of course, comcast is evil

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sivchand:

sorry it does not crash but myth does not do anything

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sivchand:

that was my conclusion

[21:09:00]

sivchand:

also

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sivchand:

anyone knows a pointers to where i can know abt workarounds or fixes for comcast subscribers

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean by 'does not do anything'?

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wagnerrp:

the recording fails to start?

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** J-e-f-f-A replaced the "o" in Comcast with a "u" after 7 years of poor service... (well, probably after just a year or two!) **

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wagnerrp:

or you get part of a recording, and then it fails

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sivchand:

gets part of recording and fails

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs to see if it gives an error

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wagnerrp:

else, bump up your verbosity, restart the backend, and try again

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sivchand:

ATSCStreamData::HandleTables(): Unknown table 0xc0

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sivchand:

the massage was all over the log

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wagnerrp:

someone posted that error to trac a couple weeks ago, but it seemed that the backend continued recording right through it

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sivchand:

full verbose is giving a lot

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wagnerrp:

well you dont need most of that

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wagnerrp:

important,general,record would probably be good enough

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sivchand:

ok will try that thanks

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wagnerrp:

seems Time Warner is wanting to dump AOL

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xand:

how can mythweb say "This showing was recorded." for a listing that is in the future?

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kormoc:

cause it can lie?

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xand:

what does it base that information on?

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kormoc:

mythweb, 13 letter changes away from skynet

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meshe:

or it recorded a copy of the show in the past

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xand:

it hasn't

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kormoc:

it should say previously recorded if that was the case

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meshe:

ah

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Pontiac:

So, I dropped the tuner card via the "DELETE ALL", I re-added it, I setup the channel listings and associated it to the TELEVISION part of the tuner, then got my upcoming recordings...

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Pontiac:

I then went and looked at the 8th... The "Canadas Worst Driver" was marked as duplicate. So I forced it again, and AGAIN its an obvious conflict.

[22:35:20]

kormoc:

did you see if mythfrontend agrees with mythweb?

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Pontiac:

Not yet. I'll do that now.

[22:38:44]

Pontiac:

Mythweb states its forced, and that its manually set to record this specific interest.

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Pontiac:

However, FE says that its conflicting.

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Pontiac:

err.. It says that Worst Driver is conflicting. Holmes will be recorded.

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Pontiac:

Going to be in and out. BBQ'n.

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julio_:

hello everyone

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julio_:

has anyone been able to setup mythweb?

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julio_:

on slackware 12.2 and apache 2.2

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julio_:

I get an error saying can not connect to db

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julio_:

anyone?

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sphery:

julio_: need to edit your mythweb.conf (for apache)

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julio_:

did that

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pat___:

not knowing much about slackware. did you install from a package or from source?

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sphery:

and make sure you don't have firewalls blocking ports for Myth (6543 & 6544, at minimum) as well as MySQL ports

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julio_:

the error massage I get is "Database Setup Error

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julio_:

The database environment variables are not correctly set in the

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julio_:

webserver conf or .htaccess file. Please read through the comments

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julio_:

included in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly.

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julio_:

Some possible solutions are to make sure that mod_env is enabled

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julio_:

in httpd.conf, as well as having followed the instructions in the

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julio_:

README and INSTALL files."

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sphery:

which means you didn't edit (correctly) mythweb.conf

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julio_:

from source, myth works fine.. just trying to get mythweb to work.

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sphery:

or you edited the wrong one

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waxhead__:

I have a stupid question...

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waxhead__:

if I have more than one of hte same card, do I have to do anything with the module config ?

[22:50:47]

waxhead__:

or just setting the options in the options files sets it for all card modules?

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xris:

julio_: did you read the INSTALL/README docs for mythweb?

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xris:

and the inline documentation in mythweb's apache config file?

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julio_:

yes I follow the instruction on the README and online..

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julio_:

does it work on your system xris

[23:04:17]

julio_:

base on the that it should be working.

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Pontiac:

waxhead__> If you've got two individual cards, then you'd assign /dev/video0 to one, and /dev/video1 to the other. 'Nix handles the rest.

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sphery:

julio_: pretty sure it works on his system--he's one of 2 primary MythWeb developers :)

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julio_:

:O)

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xris:

julio_: I wrote the docs. :)

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sphery:

he's made a /lot/ of changes to the conf file and docs to make it work on more and more distros' apache installs and I'd guess at this point all the info you need is in there somewhere--just read it carefully (and Google frequently)

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julio_:

in that case what does that error message mean?

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sphery:

the comments in the conf file are wonderful--even for those of us who don't care to learn apache's config language

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** Pontiac still sits here confused **

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sphery:

basically that your mythweb.conf isn't right (or, I suppose, you edited it but didn't restart apache)

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julio_:

I have google it, read it try it on two different systems same result.

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sphery:

I mean google all the things that the readme/conf file comments talk about that you don't understand

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julio_:

I understand all of what the document says, what I don't understand is the error message.

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julio_:

<xris> what apache version do you have on your system?

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xris:

julio_: whatever comes with fedora (2.2.9?). but I've been running mythweb since 2.0

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waxhead__:

Pontiac: what's that for?

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xris:

that makes little difference. the error message you pasted earlier indicates that you just haven't set up the config file properly to pass your database password to the mythweb code.

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waxhead__:

I'm getting output fine witht he three cards ( two nova-t's and one nova-td )

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xris:

the INSTALL doc goes over what modules you need, etc.

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julio_:

xiris_: got all the modules, the setenv db_xxxx are setup correctly

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waxhead__:

Pontiac: the question I have is, the module options... I need to turn on the low noise amp on the nova t's and I'm not sure if the options setting in /etc/modprobe.d/options is a setting for all modules for all the cards...

[23:14:10]

waxhead__:

googling the right words is a bit difficult because I'm not really finding general info about how the module config works..

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laga:

modinfo module_of_your_card

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sphery:

Pontiac: modinfo <...

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sphery:

too slow

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sphery:

way too slow

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laga:

yes.

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vance4c:

has anyone installed mythtv on just a usb drive

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laga:

no, never

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vance4c:

I am having a problem with the bios detecting the usb as a floppy drive not a HD and thus getting hung on grub. Does anyone have any ideas where to go next?

[23:29:47]

mchou:

vance4c: yeah

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mchou:

vance4c: use lilo

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mchou:

grub has issues

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vance4c:

can lilo fake as a floppy and forward on to a HD partition

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mchou:

it's also not clear to me why your bios reports usb drive as floppy

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vance4c:

me either but that is all I can it to do

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mchou:

I dont buy it

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ebil_andy:

Hi, how do I force mythtv to NOT use channels that don't have a signal? I've done the channel scan, and it only picked up the correct channels, then when I run mfd and go back into myth frontend, it keeps listing shows on channels that I don't have. I did mfd --update --refresh-all

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sphery:

ebil_andy: you can mark channels as not visible using the channel editor, but really you need to remove them from your listings source (xmltv configuration or Schedules Direct lineup)--otherwise you waste resources/bandwidth (of the provider) downloading them

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mchou:

ebil_andy: visible=0 in channels table is one way

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (the video sources portion) will clear out all the garbage

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vance4c:

it is a asus K7vm3 here is the manual http://www.asrock.com/mb/manual.asp?Model=K7VM3&s=462

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sphery:

then make sure your xmltv/SD is configured properly , then continue

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ebil_andy:

sphery, I thought simply doing the channel scan marked all the no-signal channels as non-visible

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mchou:

vance4c: You expect people here to read the manual for your mobo?

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sphery:

ebil_andy: no, a scan creates a channel for any channels it finds

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mchou:

vance4c: why dont you just pastebin the relevant section?

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sphery:

ebil_andy: and mythfilldatabase creates a channel for any channel in your listings that's not already in the database

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ebil_andy:

sphery, ahh, and the listing data is decoupled from that

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sphery:

so you need to fix your xmltv/Schedules Direct

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ebil_andy:

ok. thanks

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sphery:

ebil_andy: I'm assuming you're using an analog capture card, right

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sphery:

if so, you're not in North America are you? (i.e. not using Schedules Direct)

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ebil_andy:

pvr-150

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ebil_andy:

so yes

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mchou:

vance4c: there is no way which ever linux distro you're using reports usb drive as /dev/fd0

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sphery:

Schedules Direct users should never do a channel scan

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ebil_andy:

yeah, I use SD. ok, I'll just update sd then

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mchou:

vance4c: dont pm me

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mchou:

vance4c: like I said quote the relevant sections

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sphery:

ebil_andy: then read that post carefully and /definitely/ do the video sources portion--you most likely have a broken DB if you're a Schedules Direct user and did a channel scan

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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ebil_andy:

sphery, thanks! I'll read through that

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waxhead__:

where does the input information come from?

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sphery:

waxhead__: input information?

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sphery:

you mean cardinputs?

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waxhead__:

I added a new card to my system and now I have inputs 30 through to 42

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waxhead__:

sphery: yeah...

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sphery:

if so, it's from Input Connections in mythtv-setup

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waxhead__:

I liked it better when it started from 1

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waxhead__:

or even 0

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sphery:

waxhead__: to "fix" that, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (the video sources portion)

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** sphery loves that post **

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waxhead__:

ok... guess I have some time to spend on things...

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sphery:

waxhead__: read all the linked posts to find out why that way--or just do it if you don't care about the why :)

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waxhead__:

I have a mast head amplifier to install too to see if I can get some improvement on the signal strength...

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sphery:

waxhead__: on second thought, it would probably be quicker to do the capture card portion of that post

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

waxhead__: so don't do the video sources portion

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Pontiac:

<waxhead__> Pontiac: what's that for?

[23:40:24]

waxhead__:

sphery: I htink it go messed up with all the delete and add of cards I did the other week...

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Pontiac:

Whats what for? My confusion, or your two cards?

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waxhead__:

Pontiac: yeah... the dev/video0 thing...

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waxhead__:

my question was more about the module options I need to set for the TV cards...

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sphery:

waxhead__: yeah, it increments with every new one... it's not really a problem--ideally, you'd /never/ even know what number it was

[23:41:09]

waxhead__:

and module settings in general..

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sphery:

unfortunately, Myth has some "internal" data in the user interface

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waxhead__:

sphery: except when you go to change input

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Pontiac:

I misunderstood your question. I thought you were asking what happens if you've got two cards of the same make in the machine, and how to configure them.

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waxhead__:

Pontiac: video cards?

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Pontiac:

Tuners.

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waxhead__:

Pontiac: that's just it.. I do.. I have two nova-t500 and one nova-td 500

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waxhead__:

all dual tuners.. so I get 6 in total...

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mchou:

wow

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sphery:

waxhead__: if you put a name on the input, it will show the input name on input change

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mchou:

that's enough to start your own cable company

[23:43:12]

mchou:

hehe

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waxhead__:

sphery: really? I'll have to look into that...

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Pontiac:

Not to mention NEVER seeing a "CONFLICT". *glances at his `situation` and frowns*

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sphery:

it's on the input connections page in mythweb

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waxhead__:

mchou: it's rather pathetic really... but monday nights are a busy night with recording and the overlapping of times meant that there were a few shows that didn't get recorded

[23:43:58]

waxhead__:

mythweb does it??? awesome.. I'll check it out...

[23:44:03]

mchou:

waxhead__: yeah, that was sarcasm

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sphery:

waxhead__: and, by default, Myth will set up each digital tuner to allow 2 multirec recordings, so each digital tuner makes 2 inputs

[23:44:38]

waxhead__:

sphery: that's right... so I have 12 when I go to switch inputs...

[23:44:45]

sphery:

yeah

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mchou:

waxhead__: seriously, what's on Monday except House? :)

[23:45:10]

mchou:

waxhead__: that's worth recording, that is

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sphery:

and--since you're using a Nova T--you likely live in an area where multirec is useful (i.e. not the US :)

[23:45:18]

waxhead__:

mchou: dunno.. but that's what happens when you tell the family record what ever you like...

[23:45:21]

waxhead__:

so they did!

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waxhead__:

sphery: nope..I got the nova-t because it seemed safe.. of course I've only recently found out that isn't the case...

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waxhead__:

sphery: but I do believe here in .au we do have some channels that multiplex where the nova-t works.. like the ABC

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waxhead__:

sphery: I'm having problems at the moment with the channels not being picked up right.. hence hte module config question earlier..

[23:47:15]

sphery:

ah, .au... the land of "TV shows never run at the scheduled time"

[23:47:20]

sphery:

no wonder you need 6 cards

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mchou:

haha

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vance4c:

mchou: there is not really a relative section in the manual that directly applies to this situation

[23:47:53]

mchou:

if I ever have six cards operational I'd just go netflix

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waxhead__:

yes.. that's the point of the 6 tuners.. the over lapping is the reason we don't pick up all the shows...

[23:48:09]

waxhead__:

6 tuners.. only 3 cards...

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mchou:

vance4c: yet you expect me to read the manual

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mchou:

waxhead__: I meant 6 tuners

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ebil_andy:

sphery, thanks! fixed my problem, any special options I should use for mfd?

[23:48:33]

waxhead__:

ok... need to reboot the myth box.. but have to turn everything on first...

[23:48:43]

vance4c:

mchou: no not at all

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waxhead__:

oh.. and one day I'll have mythfrontends setup, so the extra turners will help then too.. :)

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sphery:

ebil_andy: not really--unless you're using DISH or DirecTV or some cable company that adds new channels occasionally

[23:49:25]

mchou:

vance4c: show where in the manual the mobo sees usb drives as floppies

[23:49:45]

mchou:

vance4c: it's a simple enough question

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sphery:

ebil_andy: last I knew Schedules Direct puts them in the lineup, and--since you probably don't subscribe to them--it can mess up recordings. If that's the case use --remove-new-channels

[23:50:25]

vance4c:

mchou: It does not state that in the manual i get that from the boot process

[23:50:53]

vance4c:

mchou: hang on i will get you a quote from the boot process if i can

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sphery:

vance4c: you sure it's not trying to boot off the USB drive, but then it doesn't find a bootable partition, so it goes to the next boot device, which happens to be a floppy?

[23:51:14]

sphery:

quotes are good

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mchou:

sphery: yeah, indded that's most likely what's happening

[23:51:44]

mchou:

indeed*

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** sphery expects the quote to include something about "Please insert bootable disk..." **

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mchou:

nah

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mchou:

I want dmesg like quotes :)

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mchou:

like usb mass storage => /dev/fd0 :)

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vance4c:

no I have disable the floppy drive.

[23:53:19]

mchou:

lol

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mchou:

vance4c: come on man. quotes

[23:54:11]

mchou:

vance4c: dont care if you diasbled floppy or not

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mchou:

disabled*

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vance4c:

in the boot priority menu it calls it "USB RMD-FDD : Kingston Traveler 2.0"

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vance4c:

so it is not even to the kernel stage

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mchou:

boot priority in BIOS?

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vance4c:

yes

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mchou:

haha

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mchou:

I have no idea what a kingston traveller is

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vance4c:

that is just the make and model of the drive

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mchou:

but it's formatted as a floppy

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vance4c:

no it is ext4

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

usb mass storage protocol

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sphery:

don't some USB drives have some special section that's treated as a floppy that holds drivers for ancient OS's?

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mchou:

like usb-hdd, usb-fd, usb-zip

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mchou:

and the file system has nothing to do with the storage format

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jblack:

floopy drives have a boot sector,

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vance4c:

ya sorry I just saw format and responded

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jblack:

Weird coincidence; I was just working with 3.5" diskettes yesterday.

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Pontiac:

mmm.. bbq'd ribs.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: long time to switch out your router...

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sphery:

short time to use it

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waxhead__:

hmm..

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vance4c:

so this is were I am at my limits of understanding

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waxhead__:

reboot.. and all tuners seem to be doing better...

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