Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, May 23rd, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

coffee, whiskey, what have you

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dibbz:

perhaps it is because the source of this stream is the same host.

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dibbz:

what is different here i guess is that my source is a web stream and every channel has the same address

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dibbz:

and the external channel changer will change the source

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k-man:

is it possible to repurpose a tivo as a mythtv frontend?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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k-man:

iamlindoro: what prevents it?

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iamlindoro:

The tivo is just an embedded linux board with a closed source, closed API DSP that handles all the graphics, all the decode, and all the playback

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k-man:

iamlindoro: ah, i se

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iamlindoro:

In short, all the hardware between terminal and output to TV is inaccessible

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k-man:

so if you could reverse engineer the api, you might be able to?

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iamlindoro:

reverse engineer the API and more or less rewrite fundamental chunks of myth fron scratch

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iamlindoro:

anything's possible, the question is whether it's worthwhile when you can just buy an ION box, whose hardware decode works with myth *now*

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k-man:

iamlindoro: yeah, fair enough

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k-man:

do you think this could do full hd playback? http://www.aleutia.com/products/h1-hotel-pc

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k-man:

they say it should

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k-man:

and it is nvidia ion

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k-man:

intel ion i mean

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iamlindoro:

nvidia makes the ION chipset, it's just an intel processor

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iamlindoro:

anyway, any ION will be capable of offloading playback... of those formats which ION/VDPAU supports, that is

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k-man:

iamlindoro: seems like a pretty good option for a mythtv frontend then

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dibbz:

they look ok

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iamlindoro:

Never heard of that manufacturer adn I worry about people looking to cash in on the ION craze, so do your homework

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iamlindoro:

If they're a well known UK dealer, then ok, but if they're a no name, buyer beware

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k-man:

iamlindoro: yeah, thanks

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k-man:

iamlindoro: they seem to supply to the hotel industry (at least they claim to)

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k-man:

I like the idea of mounting the pc behind the TV

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k-man:

one less piece of junk to have to look at

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k-man:

it doesn't seem to have any kind of ir receiver though

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dibbz:

you can get a mini itx with a 9300 for about hte same price as an ion

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dibbz:

cases are exy for what you get tho

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k-man:

dibbz: yeah, i like the H1, it seems good and cheap

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iamlindoro:

I'm very suspicious how a little no-name UK brand would have access to ION hardware when only 2 or so manufacturers have maanged to get anything out yet

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dibbz:

itd be a zotac mobo or something i guess

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iamlindoro:

(Zotac started shipping an ION board in the last week, Acer started selling their Aspire Revo earlier this month)

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dibbz:

http://blog.aleutia.com/

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dibbz:

15th may

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dibbz:

http://aleutia.webfactional.com/2009/05/15/al . . . d-low-power/

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dibbz:

heh

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dibbz:

bit heavy on seo

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iamlindoro:

It's a questionable choice to put a Blu Ray drive in a linux box, given its limited utility at the moment

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k-man:

can you not play blueray dvds under linux yet?

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iamlindoro:

Well, they're not DVDs, but no, not really-- there is some very, very early work on decrypting the disks, but you definitely can't put a disk in the drive and play it yet

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iamlindoro:

You can rip a limited subset of them to the hard drive and play the raw movie files, but that's about as far as it goes yet-- no solution for decrypting them across the board, no from the disk playback, no menus, no subtitle support

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iamlindoro:

And definitely no "special features" support

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iamlindoro:

We are probably at least a few years off of being able to do that

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dibbz:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3509&p=2

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dibbz:

that last bit turnsme off

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dibbz:

not very convincing

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iamlindoro:

What's not convincing?

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dibbz:

although if you only want dvb-?2 then its fine

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dibbz:

the blu-ray playback performance on ion/atom/945g etc

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iamlindoro:

Well ION at 945g are entirely different

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dibbz:

depends how close you look :)

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iamlindoro:

uhhh

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iamlindoro:

It seems *you* should look closer

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iamlindoro:

People have been playing with Linux/VDPAU on Ions for some time now, the concensus is that pretty much any MPEG-1/2, WMV, VC-1, or h.264 runs in the single to low-double CPU use percentages

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iamlindoro:

Which pretty much covers any video codec you are likely to need hardware offload for in Myth

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iamlindoro:

but 945 and ION are night and day

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dibbz:

yey ive been searching

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iamlindoro:

aside from the obvious difference of being made by two different companies, they are ginourmously different leagues of GPU power

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dibbz:

well i wzs refering to the artice

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dibbz:

While there may be some cause for concern that Atom, even paired with the 9400M, won’t always be enough to watch Blu-ray movies on it’s too early to tell.

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iamlindoro:

That's under windows, performance there has little/nothing to do with performance in linux

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dibbz:

you really want to debate something dont oyu

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iamlindoro:

What's to debate? I have first-hand experience with how VDPAU handles about 100 blu ray titles on the ION GPU, whereas you have a one sentence quote from an article about ION performance in windows

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dibbz:

yes i run vdpau too

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iamlindoro:

Super, so what's to debate? On systems lower powered than ION, people are able to play back blu ray material with 3–20ish percent CPU utilization

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iamlindoro:

Including my own experience offloading it on the *actual ION GPU*

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dibbz:

you dont get low cpu usage playing bluray sources

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dibbz:

tho they do play

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iamlindoro:

Uhhhhh, yes you do

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dibbz:

at least not on my 9500

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I'll not waste my time further on it, do as you like, ION is perfectly adequate with Linux and Myth in mind

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dibbz:

i agree.

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Dagmar:

I suspect someone doesnt' realize the difference between people who read web articles and form their opinions based on that, and people who don't trust anything they've not pounded the crap out of personally.

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iamlindoro:

xris, FWIW I also ran a channel scan tonight and got 347 conflicts

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iamlindoro:

xris, And I wasn't about to confirm/rename each one to a unique identifier so I just restored my DB backup

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iamlindoro:

xris, As an aside, I think it's awesome that you have KING-HD and KONG-HD channels

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

same affiliate. KONG is like the old stuff from KING (nbc, I think)

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iamlindoro:

heh, someone clearly had a sense of humor in their FCC filings

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xris:

took me a long time before I got the joke. it's too obvious.

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wagnerrp:

dibbz: the problem with playing bluray movies is the decryption

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wagnerrp:

even though the video is decoded entirely within the GPU

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wagnerrp:

the decryption is done entirely within software

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wagnerrp:

i thought i remember anandtech pointing that out in the article somewhere

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wagnerrp:

and as iamlindoro said, thats a non-issue for linux at the moment, because youre going to be decrypting the content before playback anyway

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Dagmar:

I never said anything about people who read web articles and actually pay attention to them

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Dagmar:

Shush you

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Dagmar:

You're makin' it complex again

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wagnerrp:

there we go... 4th paragraph on that page, the explain that problem exactly

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jblack_:

Weirdest thing tonight. After watching TV for a few hours, the audio pitch started going up... both mythvideo and myth shows. Still that way after both reboots and resets.

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wagnerrp:

stop skimming pages and looking at the pretty pictures

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Dagmar:

jblack_: Check your apartment for a helium leak.

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wagnerrp:

i had a weird bug earlier today

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wagnerrp:

i found a clip that would not play audio

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jblack_:

negative. The tivo is working as expected.

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jblack_:

I suspect the onboard audio must be going bad.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv (or alsa) apparently decided on its own that it was going to try to output digital audio

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jblack_:

That's a refurbed eeepc from woot for ya.

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wagnerrp:

i forced it over to /dev/dsp, and it played just fine

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jblack_:

I'm using /dev/dsp as well. The machine was fine for.. a week. Then tonight, over the period of an hour, the pitch went up, nearly helium style.

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jblack_:

Women become girls, and men become... urkel.

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Dagmar:

Helium leak

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Dagmar:

...or there's a cockroach inside there making sweet lovin' to a crystal.

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jblack_:

heh.

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jblack_:

at least the tv season is over.

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wagnerrp:

i also discovered that a P3 800 just doesnt cut it for 700kbps h264

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wagnerrp:

and when your encoding is borked anyway, and VDPAU is choking, youre pretty well SOL

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iamlindoro:

This SCTE-65 scan thing is creeping me out, I'm going to learn how to live with properly numbered channels again

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Dagmar:

When's that new Torchwood thing happening again?

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lyricnz:

goddamn pulseaudio, aargh!

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, As far as I can tell it's not any more specific than this summer yet

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iamlindoro:

I remember hearing they only confirmed the last Dr. Who special would be airing about a week beforehand

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iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Earth

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iamlindoro:

"June or July"

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Dagmar:

Yeah i was rather hoping some people across the pond would have more information I wasn't seeing on the intertubes

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iamlindoro:

Looks like it's being screened in early June, so definitely some time after that, anyway

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heyheyhey:

i have a question how can i make linux (ubuntu 9.04) access hard drive better.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: how's this for "news that warrants a ticker during a primetime show"? "Breaking News: The expressway authority has just voted to raise tolls on its roads by a quarter."

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wagnerrp:

heyheyhey: whats the problem with how it accesses the hard drive now?

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heyheyhey:

when i goto myvideo it hangs there and my cpu goes up to 5.78

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heyheyhey:

mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

so you need to access your DATABASE better

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sphery:

and ensure that the user running MythVideo has permissions on the posters/coverfiles directory

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heyheyhey:

it does

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heyheyhey:

wagnerrp the drive i am tring to access is one with dvd movies it a 2tb with 200 dvds on it

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wagnerrp:

does it stall permanently? or does it just take a few seconds to load up mythvideo?

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heyheyhey:

takes 10 mins to goto mythvideo

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heyheyhey:

and red hdd light is on till then

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wagnerrp:

something is seriously broken there

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wagnerrp:

theres not enough for it to be reading for that amount of time

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wagnerrp:

try some of the database cleanup utils

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heyheyhey:

will do

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heyheyhey:

you have any good suggestion on what ones i should use

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wagnerrp:

optimize_mythdb.pl

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RyeBrye:

mythweb has an "optimize" button under the keychain button

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** kormoc thinks RyeBrye is a mac user **

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RyeBrye:

Why? because I use mythweb's buttons?

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kormoc:

the keychcain comment

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kormoc:

*keychain

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RyeBrye:

What do you call the icon with a key connected to a wrench?

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RyeBrye:

and yeah, I do use a lot of Macs :)

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RyeBrye:

(but also linux machines)

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kormoc:

I'd call it the key icon personally :P

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coteyr:

ok time for noob questions I'm afraid. I have got to be missing something pretty plain. I installed mythbuntu on a new computer and set it up. It's working pretty well. Now I want my normal laptop to act as a front end. It is running ubuntu so everything should be the same version. I installed mythfrontend and it's dependancies. Database access seems to be working as I can see in the Library->Videos menus all the videos on my myth b

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coteyr:

still get the can't connect to backend errors if I try to do anything like watch tv or even some other generic tasks like view stats. start mythfrontend with the -p option nothing shows in the list of backend server. What in the world am I missing?

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wagnerrp:

it shal be called monkey

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RyeBrye:

you're then ignoring the wrench :)

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coteyr:

That was a bit longer then expected

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wagnerrp:

so long freenode split it... impressive

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wagnerrp:

coteyr: check mythtv-setup, first option, first page

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wagnerrp:

see what IP has been set for the local and master backend

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coteyr:

wagnerrp, on the backend or frontend?

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wagnerrp:

if it is 127.0.0.1, youre doing it wrong

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coteyr:

k

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coteyr:

wagnerrp; both are set to the actual ip (192.168.42.2)

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wagnerrp:

a firewall issue perhaps?

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coteyr:

hmm no I can't type

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coteyr:

I knew it was something simple

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coteyr:

I put 4.2 not 42.2

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wagnerrp:

that will do it

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tank-man:

another problem due to user error :)

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tank-man:

those are the hardest problems to solve

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clever:

PEBKAC!

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clever:

one idiot was saying IRC gave him an error when DISCONNECTING, error, nick allready in use

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Essobi:

...

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Essobi:

screw loose on the keyboard

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matt-:

Would an early PowerPC G4 circa 2001 be powerful enough to play high definition video?

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wagnerrp:

most likely not

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matt-:

What if the video was scaled down to SD size by the video card? Would that work?

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wagnerrp:

it still has to be decoded by the CPU

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wagnerrp:

output doesnt really matter

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matt-:

Crud.

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wagnerrp:

want to use an aged minimac?

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matt-:

More like an early PowerMac G4.

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wagnerrp:

you can piece together a very nice frontend for about $300

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wagnerrp:

or ~$200 if youre willing to skimp on the case, or already have one

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matt-:

OK thanks.

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wagnerrp:

from what ive heard, its iffy to get HD mpeg2 running on even the later G5s

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matt-:

Well that's what comes from the airwaves.

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matt-:

Even though I don't have an HDTV anyway.

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wagnerrp:

crap, i think i have a cricket in my room

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wagnerrp:

thats going to have to stop before i even try to sleep

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wagnerrp:

that was a big one

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matt-:

Well thank you for your help.

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wagnerrp:

not much help, more of dream smashing

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wagnerrp:

anyway, im being serious about prices for new machines

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wagnerrp:

i just spend $160 on completely new guts for one of my frontends

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wagnerrp:

if i shopped around and bought cheaper stuff, i probably could have gone as low as $110 and been happy with the performance

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mchou:

wagnerrp: what proc & mobo you end up buying?

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wagnerrp:

Asus 8300M, AthX2 2.6GHz 45W

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wagnerrp:

specifically.... M3N78-VM and 5050e, plus 2GB crucial PC2 6400

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MrEasy:

hello i purchased a tuner dongle and i wanted to get it to work under ubuntu 8.10, after searching heaps of fourms and tring different things I haven't had any luck. The tuner is http://cgi.ebay.com.au/USB-DVB-T-DVBT-HD-Digi . . . 3A1|294%3A50 .

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MrEasy:

has ne1 had ne1 luck w these

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Supaplex:

I avoid random hardware, and use supported hardware first.

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MrEasy:

Good advise post purchase mate :>

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Supaplex:

does ubuntu have a way to research for known supported hardware? maybe you can look that up there.

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Supaplex:

unless you want to start developing a driver for this

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phek:

is there a way to display a poster for a directory?

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wagnerrp_:

phek: put an image in the folder with the name 'folder.jpg'

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MrEasy:

.join #dvb

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phek:

wagnerrp, awesome, thanks.

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justinh:

awww nobody wants to reply to avenard's coding questions. diddums

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clever:

dangit

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clever:

mythtranscode deleted a file while i was playing it in mythfrontend

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clever:

2009-05–23 06:13:35.426 2845322128 RingBuf(/media/videos/1tb/myth/1141_20090523052500.mpg) Error: File I/O problem in 'safe_read()'

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clever:

eno: Stale NFS file handle (116)

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justinh:

rescan done.. looks like Quest still isnt on air yet. loads of bloody useless MHEG channels now too

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gbee:

IMHO it likely Quest will never launch, I think Discovery are having second thoughts

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dustybin:

http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/asus_m3n78_pro/

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laga:

dustybin: anything interesting in there?

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dustybin:

mobo pr0n

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laga:

nice pics indeed

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trumee:

guys, i have laptop which has a 1280x800 display and an external monitor which has a 1440x900 display. Is it possible for the external monitor to display the native resolution for mythfrontend

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trumee:

at the moment the external monitor picksup the latop resolution of 1280x800

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laga:

yes

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trumee:

laga, how can i do this

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laga:

what VGA driver do you use?

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trumee:

nvidia

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laga:

use nvidia-settings to configure your display

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GlemSom:

Should there be any problems in giving mythbackend a lower priority (let's say 10, instead of the default 0)? I'm NOT streaming from the backend. but I sometimes see a slight stutter – which i thing might be caused by the mythbackend doing maintance work in MySQL...

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laga:

GlemSom: if *mysqld* is making your box slow, why renice mythbackend?

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GlemSom:

laga, I'm unsure if it's MySQL making it slow... since MySQL us just executing simple queries... My though were that mythbackend needs to do alot of calculation – and THAT might be a mit too much somethimes... but sure... giving MySQL anoter priority might help aswell

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Pontiac:

What if ya were up the nice value for the front end?

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GlemSom:

Pontiac, I guess that would give about the same result...

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Pontiac:

Possibly better because then you're not guessing what in the background is causing the lag.

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GlemSom:

I will however need some other script to re-nice the frontend then – since regular users cannot give a proccess a higher priority

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Pontiac:

Log in as room, run crontab -e, then add the appropriate command to nice the PID of the front end.

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GlemSom:

Pontiac, yeah – something like "renice 10 'pgrep mythfrontned'" should work i guess

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clever:

ive found that a plain renice -19 `pidof mythfrontend` doesnt actualy work right

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clever:

it only renice's the parrent thread at the very top of the thread/process tree

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clever:

the video decoding thread stays at 0

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clever:

if i open top and use H to turn threads on, i can find the PID of the decoding thread(the one using all the cpu:P ) and renice just that one and instantly solve most of my stuttering(which is also solved by shuting down the website i run on the frontend)

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GlemSom:

clever: so, one needs to spawn the mythfrontend with another priority – which isn't possible unless spawned as root (i don't want that)...

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clever:

GlemSom: you would need to spawn mythwelcome and mythfrontend as -19 before you switch to the mythtv username

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clever:

for example, i wrote a custom script in rc.local that runs mythwelcome and Xorg, emulation 'startx'

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clever:

i could easily add a nice command in there

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GlemSom:

But, don't you need to be root to define a higher priority?

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clever:

http://privatepaste.com/930NjNhmG7

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GlemSom:

clever, thank, i'll have a look

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clever:

this script gets ran as root, and then starts the whole X session up from scratch

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clever:

line 12 runs the 'fe' script as 'mythtv', and could also renice the su process when doing so(covering the entire mythtv session)

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clever:

(line 1 and 15 arent part of the script)

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clever:

it helps if you can ssh in as root and run the commands 1 line at a time to see what each one does

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clever:

to learn how it works

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clever:

in linux, threads are done as special processes

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clever:

each thread gets its own PID, but shares the virtual memory and everything with the other 'threads' in the 'process'

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clever:

its a complicated blend between what look/act like threads but are technicaly processes when looked at from a distance

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Freman:

soooooo, my mythtv plays mp4's... really really slowly, the sound and the video is slowed down

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Freman:

ideas?

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Freman:

ummm think upgrading might help?

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Freman:

vlc plays the same mp4 find

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justinh:

ah. so radiotimes are unaware that virgin1 has gone 24 hour?

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justinh:

or is the +1 channel not 24 hours yet?

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justinh:

ah it's more likely to be the grabber truncating the guide data

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justinh:

gah. the bloody scanner didn't update Virgin 1's channel number

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highno:

hi again, is anyone using the telnet interface?

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gbee:

justinh: you might need to changes the xmltvid from freeview.1.virgin.... to 1.virgin...

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justinh:

yeah just sussed that

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justinh:

remembered the grabber does funky stuff for some xmltvids to get data from other channels so to speak

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justinh:

properly sick of all the freeview renumbering/shuffling around now though. make it stop!

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justinh:

then again, it's not that big a deal – generally the only time I need to do any myth related maintenance :)

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gbee:

aye, they can't keep expecting the population to rescan

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justinh:

gah. still got 'unknown' for virgin1 epg data :-\

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justinh:

hrm. FAILED: xmltv returned error code 3328

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justinh:

unknown xmltvid perhaps?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

or maybe there is. like I'd not defined the +1 channel properly

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gbee:

tsod.plus-1.1.virginmedia.com

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gbee:

though I suppose that's wrong too, since it gives a 24 hour schedule instead of 12

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gbee:

tsod.plus-1.freeview.1.virginmedia.com

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gbee:

as per http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids

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justinh:

getting error 3328 still

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highno:

I'm having a problem switching channels over the telnet interface. I use the command 'play channel xyz' but I do get an error on the mythfrontend stating 'Error was encountered while displaying video', switching manually via the frontend works

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justinh:

heh. 3328 is a permissions issue

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justinh:

I'm still using a mixture of config files. I should clean all that up at some point

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justinh:

wonder whatever happened to the progress indicator uk_rt used to spit out

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** Freman scratches head – can't make mythtv internal player play mp4's right **

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sphery:

Freman: what's not right?

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sphery:

Freman: if you mean it takes forever to seek/is blocky when seeking/has wrong times, sounds like you need a seektable

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basement-server:

Hello. I started my system with Ubuntu, then upgraded to mythbuntu with the website download. Installed all the software, worked thru some problems w/ my Database, ect... but my problem is now that I can't seem to "see" any input on "Watch Live TV" when I run the frontend on the same computer that is master backend. If I open XawTV I can see the live tv channel, but I need to change the "Capture" from "overlay" to "

[14:00:12]

sphery:

basement-server: your message got cut off after 'from "overlay" to "', but I'm guessing you just need to fix the playback profile in Myth

[14:00:37]

basement-server:

(continue of message) ... to "grabdisplay" and I see no option like that in the backend config or the frontend.... could anyone help me on this problem?

[14:00:49]

basement-server:

ok, i will try to find this playback profile :)

[14:00:54]

justinh:

sounds like you missing Xv on your video card

[14:01:13]

sphery:

and, yeah, if you're really missing Xv support, fix that

[14:01:16]

basement-server:

I have a BT878 style video card... option 36

[14:01:18]

sphery:

use xvinfo to find out if it's missing

[14:01:26]

sphery:

bt878 is capture card, not video card

[14:01:50]

sphery:

just type xvinfo and if it says "No adapters present" fix your video drivers

[14:02:13]

sphery:

if it gives a bunch of information, then fix your playback profile

[14:02:20]

justinh:

time to make Mr Morrison & co more rich

[14:02:29]

basement-server:

yes, give me a bunch of info

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sphery:

what video card?

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sphery:

(not capture card)

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basement-server:

Intel Video Overlay?

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basement-server:

umm.. is that correct? That is all I see in the xvinfo as for video

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sphery:

the card would be something different, but it gives a manufacturer

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basement-server:

a bit new to the whole ubuntu stuff.. trying to learn :) I could goto Dell's website and get the actual video card name if you think that will help me?

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sphery:

not necessary, now

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basement-server:

ok, your thinking i need to fix my playback profile still? checking on that now..

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sphery:

generally, though, you can get more info with: sudo lspci

[14:07:50]

sphery:

It may actually be a video driver bug, too... trying to remember/find reference

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basement-server:

great! that's a good one to know :)

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sphery:

basement-server: can you pastebin ( http://pastebin.ca/ ) the full output of xvinfo , please

[14:11:28]

basement-server:

http://pastebin.ca/1431989

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sphery:

this is standard definition TV you're trying to play, right?

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basement-server:

yes

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sphery:

so, less than #

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sphery:

maximum XvImage size: 1024 x 1088

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basement-server:

is it?.. sorry i do not know

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basement-server:

i need to make that 640x480?

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sphery:

no, as long as the video you're trying to play is less than 1024x1088, you're good

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basement-server:

yeah.. should be smaller than that.. i think the tv capture on that card can only do like 640x480.. or 800x600

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sphery:

You'd have it set at 720x480 (NTSC) or 720x576 (PAL) or less

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basement-server:

I have it on NTSC

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sphery:

hmmm... I have no idea what may cause that.

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basement-server:

when I run the frontend and click "watch LiveTV" all I get is a fullscreen black screen

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sphery:

the last mention of grabdisplay on the Myth lists was Mar, 2005 and the 6th previous mention was in 2003.

[14:19:28]

sphery:

yeah, Myth isn't liking your Xv

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basement-server:

lol

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basement-server:

always something :)

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sphery:

My recommendation is to try the newest/latest drivers for your video card

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basement-server:

is just odd, cause the XawTV can see the input fine :(

[14:20:12]

sphery:

I don't know anything about intel cards, but I know there are several drivers--some of which work, some not so much

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sphery:

right, xawtv displays video differently and has different settings

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basement-server:

Everyone I had talked to was telling me that the Opensource driver that ubuntu installed for intel are very good.. so i wasn't messing w/ that

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basement-server:

but i can :)

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sphery:

which is it? the i810 drivers?

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basement-server:

got a command to see that? :)

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sphery:

I'd check the X log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log , likely)

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basement-server:

looking

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sphery:

looks like they use the intel driver (the newer one), now. If so, that's good.

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basement-server:

yes

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basement-server:

X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0

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laga:

the intel driver in ubuntu jaunty is a huge mess unless they've fixed that

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basement-server:

humm really? yeah, i'm using 9.04..

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laga:

cherck the release notes, it's mentioned there. see if you're affected etc

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sphery:

good... someone who knows what he's talking about. thanks, laga

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basement-server:

ok. will do :)

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sphery:

I was in way over my head

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basement-server:

lol.. so much reading... my eyes are going to bleed lol

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laga:

sphery: too much stuff going on in the intel driver right now, and the version shipped with jaunty happened to have severe performance regressions

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basement-server:

http://www.workswithu.com/2009/05/06/the-ubun . . . hics-fiasco/

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sphery:

well, I guess it's good that progress is being made on the driver. Too bad jaunty got a bad version in, though

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basement-server:

seems like the same deal w/ the pulse audio on that last release...

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Freman:

sphery: no, it's playing in slow motion

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** laga blames ubuntu. **

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basement-server:

correct.. blame ubuntu

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laga:

seriuously. you don't ship a distro when the V

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laga:

GA driver for intel chips is broken.

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basement-server:

really.. is what I always say about ubuntu.. I like it.. cause i can usually get it working by reading, asking ect..... but grandmother cant

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sphery:

Freman: and this is an "mp4" (MPEG-4 part 14) file with /both/ audio and video?

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sphery:

but, at least the packagers for *buntu are very nice/dedicated people :)

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basement-server:

;)

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sphery:

(laga is one of them)

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laga:

sphery: haven't done any work in ages :( way too busy

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Freman:

it is, I guess.. but yes it has both audio and video, the video is playing slow and the audio sounds like someone's playing a 72 rpm record at 45

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laga:

changed universities and trying to catch up etc

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sphery:

well, it's kind of like being the President of the US. You never lose the title. :)

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laga:

heh ;)

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sphery:

Freman: do "normal" videos (recording) work?

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Freman:

yep, I've even played x264 720p mkv fils

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Freman:

files

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Freman:

and this file plays in vlc

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sphery:

and you don't have set the "don't ever enable this setting" experimental/broken setting: "Use video as timebase"

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basement-server:

ok, well thanks for the help.... i'm going to have to do alot more reading and decide if I really need to downgrade the xorg driver... lol

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sphery:

good luck basement-server

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Freman:

ummm dunno

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Freman:

They'd be default settings for the internal

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sphery:

it's in TV Playback settings (I think it's on page 1)

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sphery:

Anyway, if that's not set and you don't have audio configuration issues (ALSA config and/or MythTV audio config), then I'd guess that whatever type of video or audio is in the mp4 isn't well supported in Myth, yet

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sphery:

(mp4 is just a container, so the type of video and audio in it aren't specified)

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Freman:

ok, I'll have a poke – but I suppose it's not a real problem, I can work around it

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Freman:

cheers

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bsl_:

has anyone tried out the new drivers for HVR-2250?

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bsl:

I just bought a bunch of hardware for my first HTPC, and I think I over did it

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bsl:

I got 6GB of RAM for a good price, will that much even improve my MythTV performance over, say 2GB?

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iamlindoro:

RAM is so cheap, it's doubtful the difference in price between 2 and 6 GB is worth losing sleep over-- anyway, I have 8 GB in each box at home that was literally throwaway RAM-- you will, of course, have to run a 64 bit distro to use it

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iamlindoro:

There are performance gains to be had with more RAM, but it certainly doesn't make *that* big a difference for a myth box

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bsl:

i was considering using some of the ram in another system

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bsl:

of course, I dont currently have a MOBO that will us DDM3 (is that the right acronym?)

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bsl:

DDRM?

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iamlindoro:

DDR 3

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bsl:

I'm beginning development on a plug-in, what Protocol should I use for steaming?

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wagnerrp:

the only advantage you get out of RAM is not having to swap

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wagnerrp:

if youre not swapping with 2GB, youre not going to do any better with 6

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the rest goes to disk cache, but since myth is primarily streaming data, youre rarely going to use the same data twice before it gets flushed

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bsl:

true, still yet to be seen, most of my hardware is still in the mail

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wagnerrp:

and what is this plugin supposed to do? the protocol has to fit the application

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, i would say use UDP and write your own error correction scheme

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bsl:

download NZB files, decode the .RAR files as they complete and then stream to frontend

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bsl:

usenet stuff

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wagnerrp:

you could probably look into streaming over mythproto, mythvideo does that in trunk currently

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wagnerrp:

however talk of usenet downloading is taboo in here

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bsl:

i know, i tried to keep it bried

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wagnerrp:

and youll never get any official support in developing such a plugin

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bsl:

brief

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bsl:

mainly want it for me

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if mythproto can handle arbitrary streams, or if its only intended to grab off storage groups

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bsl:

back to hardware, if I have one unit dedicated to frontend / backend, and then say, 2 other front ends using that backend, will I experience a lot of lag

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wagnerrp:

that depends on the backend hardware

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wagnerrp:

if you have digital tuners and encoder cards, there is very little load during recording

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bsl:

I got a Phenom II x3 (hoping to unlock x4), 6GB ram, 7200RPM HD for the main unit

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wagnerrp:

when streaming out to the frontends, SD video usually is 2–6mbps, HD is 13–18mbps

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wagnerrp:

if youre ripping bluray, you may see 30–35mbps on a single stream

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bsl:

my home routing setup should be able to reach 100mbps

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wagnerrp:

any halfway decent 10/100 equipment will run near line speed

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wagnerrp:

so basically... unless you have an ancient computer with framegrabbers, or using wireless networking

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wagnerrp:

no, you shouldnt have any problems

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bsl:

i think I might be missing something, when using hardware encoding, it still needs to hit the frontend CPU (and RAM?) before it hits the ethernet NIC to the backend

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bsl:

correct?

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bsl:

I know you offload all the encoding from the CPU

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wagnerrp:

thats correct, but its basically a file copy

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wagnerrp:

data in, data out, very little actual processing done

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wagnerrp:

any modern CPU has gobs of IO when compared to what mythtv uses

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bsl:

hm ok

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wagnerrp:

just dont expect to use that old 486 you have laying about

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bsl:

no no, I might use some xboxes to just stream from backend though

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wagnerrp:

a hacked Xbox will handle SD just fine, but it doesnt have the power for anything HD

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wagnerrp:

well... it will handle SD mpeg2 just fine

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bsl:

true

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wagnerrp:

VC1 or h264 would probably be a bit much for it

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bsl:

H264 doesn't seem to work wel

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bsl:

I've seen most capture cards only have coaxial and S-video, is that correct?

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wagnerrp:

there are a handful of capture cards with component

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wagnerrp:

but the only (consumer grade) capture device that will actual handle HD is the HDPVR

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bsl:

the WinTV-HVR-2250 claims to be able to handle up to 1080i

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stevecam:

mythtv isnt picking up all of my channels, is there a common cause for this?

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bsl:

I didn't quite grasp how its able to handle that over s-video or coaxial

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wagnerrp:

the HVR-2250 is a digital tuner, and a analog capture card

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bsl:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

the digital tuner will do 1080i (actually it would do 1080p if anyone ever broadcast it)

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wagnerrp:

but it can only capture NTSC analog

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bsl:

good to know

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wagnerrp:

there are other component capture devices

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bsl:

example?

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wagnerrp:

theres one similar to the HDHR that has been getting some play on woot.com the last couple months

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wagnerrp:

but the best they do is 480p

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bsl:

is there any exciting prospects coming out in the near future?

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wagnerrp:

the 2250 recently got digital drivers for linux, no analog yet

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wagnerrp:

when thats fully working, it would be a great card for a new mythtv builder

[16:43:50]

wagnerrp:

or for an old one with failing 150/500s and still need for analog capture

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wagnerrp:

aside from that, theres that HDPVR which is currently only supported in trunk

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wagnerrp:

no mainline support as of yet

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bsl:

I'm not too psyched about the idea of having another box in my living room

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wagnerrp:

you can make a fairly quiet, discrete frontend

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wagnerrp:

and... you dont need a frontend in your living room

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bsl:

well I already bought the Antec Fusion Black case, after that my tv stand is just about full

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bsl:

just waiting for it to get here

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wagnerrp:

there are a couple of us around here who run wires through the wall or up through the floor

[16:47:21]

wagnerrp:

why would you need another box?

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wagnerrp:

if youre already counting the frontend

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bsl:

i thought the HDPVR http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html was a stand alone unit

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wagnerrp:

and...? why need it be in your living room?

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wagnerrp:

youre already talking about having several frontends and a backend

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bsl:

I suppose it doesn't, if I route everything right

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wagnerrp:

why put the backend in your living room?

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wagnerrp:

put it in the basement, shove it in a closet

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wagnerrp:

when digital tuners and hardware encoders, the backend needs very little power

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wagnerrp:

the only thing you need power for on the backend is commflagging and transcoding

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wagnerrp:

and you can do those on jobqueues on the frontends

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bsl:

true, you make some good points

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wagnerrp:

then you can shutdown or standby powerful frontends

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bsl:

I'm trying to wrap my head around my envisioned setup while I wait to get it all together

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wagnerrp:

and have a little miserly backend managing everything

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bsl:

how powerful of a CPU do you recommend for transcoding?

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wagnerrp:

i usually only do lossless

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wagnerrp:

at which point the only real processing done is some stream cleanup at the cutpoints

[16:53:38]

wagnerrp:

but otherwise, it depends on what you want to do

[16:53:59]

wagnerrp:

in mythtv, the only thing you can encode to is mpeg4asp

[16:54:13]

wagnerrp:

which is fairly light on the processor, and only single threaded

[16:54:35]

wagnerrp:

if you want to do it externally to h264 or something, the bigger, the better

[16:54:38]

laga:

you can also encode to rtjpeg ;)

[16:55:22]

wagnerrp:

last time i tried doing something HD on my desktop at the time (2.2 C2D)

[16:55:57]

wagnerrp:

it took something like 6 hours to do 22 minutes of 1080i60 to 1080p24 @5.5mbps

[16:56:27]

wagnerrp:

now ive noticed x264 has improved considerably since then, but its still a very slow process

[16:56:46]

wagnerrp:

and if you transcode TO rtjpeg, you should be slapped and your computers taken away

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bsl:

haha

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bsl:

yeah I just looked it up, realtime jpeg? that just sounds like a terrible idea

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wagnerrp:

recording is one thing

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wagnerrp:

but if you are transcoding, youre already at rtjpeg or something better

[16:58:46]

wagnerrp:

rtjpeg is the default encoder on mythtv

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wagnerrp:

back from a time when the devs still had framegrabbers, and computers on which real-time encoding of mpeg4asp was a daunting task

[17:01:40]

bsl:

I was looking at the new MythUI and it looked pretty sharp

[17:01:44]

bsl:

is is released yet?

[17:01:55]

wagnerrp:

in trunk, yes

[17:02:03]

wagnerrp:

but its still a work-in-progress

[17:02:06]

wagnerrp:

as are the themes

[17:02:09]

bsl:

have you tried it out?

[17:02:26]

wagnerrp:

i am currently using trunk

[17:02:52]

bsl:

so the MythUI is a complete replacement? there is no going back to the old UI?

[17:02:53]

wagnerrp:

however the only released theme is the packaged demo theme, terra

[17:03:09]

wagnerrp:

you *can* port the old skins to the new UI

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bsl:

i think *port* is the keyword there

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bsl:

screw that

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that the old themes are the best possible within some very restrictive capabilities

[17:04:23]

bsl:

are you involved with the development in anyway?

[17:05:11]

wagnerrp:

not really

[17:05:31]

wagnerrp:

ive had a handful of very minor patches, but nothing significant

[17:08:21]

stevecam:

is there an FAQ for MythTV

[17:08:40]

wagnerrp:

there is a wiki and a FAQ

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stevecam:

cool

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stevecam:

has anyone ran into some of there channels missing, im in australia, using a pinnacle 310i and i only get the ABC channels

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stevecam:

am i not saying the right things for my question

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bsl:

guess not

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wagnerrp:

or there's no one around with experience with that card or AUtv

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sid3windr:

80x25 is ridiculously large on a 40" lcd =)

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stevecam:

i guess its not a proble other people get often then

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wagnerrp:

stevecam: how did you scan? ive heard the channels.conf import for DVB is broken

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bsl:

wagnerrp: just wanted to say thanks for all the info, much appreciated

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stevecam:

wagnerrp, i go tell the video source to get try-all for my EIT channel guide, then in the chanel selector, i tell it to look for new channels

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stevecam:

in australia

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wagnerrp:

channel-selector?

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stevecam:

chenel editor

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wagnerrp:

ah, dont know what to tell you

[17:30:21]

wagnerrp:

maybe youre using the wrong frequency map, or your antenna is just too low gain to pick up other channels

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stevecam:

how do i know if im using the wrong frequency map?

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wagnerrp:

its one of the options in the scanner, i dont know what you should be using

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stevecam:

if i live in australia, i should be able to just tell it australia?

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wagnerrp:

around here, we have broadcast, cable, cable-high, cable-irc, cable-hrc, cable-irc-high, cable-hrc-high....

[17:38:09]

stevecam:

is it possible that my computer is interfering with the signal, now nothing comes through

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laga:

Defense|Twin: one user is not enough? :)

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Defense|Twin:

laga: hehe no, one is on the myth-box and the other one @ my desktop ;-)

[17:42:26]

Defense|Twin:

laga: and no i have 4 because of a disconnect, so two are timing out atm

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Defense|Twin:

s/no/noew

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Defense|Twin:

lolz

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stevecam:

oh, abc only comes up when ii turn encrypted on

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stevecam:

how do i find manual data for tv channels so i can try manually tuning them

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wagnerrp:

there is a scan utility and frequency tables in the dvb-tools package

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stevecam:

wagnerrp, how do i use that?

[18:09:50]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dvbscan

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stevecam:

should the message failed to open frontend on dvbscan be a worry for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

yes

[18:16:15]

** stevecam asks google about this problem **

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stevecam:

could mythtv running in the background cause this problem?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend will lock access to digital tuners unless you specifically tell it not to

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stevecam:

looks like it is still open, is there a safe way to shut it down, or can i just kill it

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NavY-Seal:

is there a package of mythtv in debian ?

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sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

if you pause livetv, and you go away for 2 hours, then unpause, do you get to see the entire evening with 2h timeshift?

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sid3windr:

or does it simply pause the current programme only

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tank-man:

depends on if you have anything scheduled to be recorded soon

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sid3windr:

well, I have enough tuners to cope with one for livetv

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wagnerrp:

the recordings will all be there until you auto-expire, but i presume it resets the buffer at each new show

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stevecam:

wagnerrp, i got dvbscan to scan and find my current channels, and create a channels.conf file, but when i try to scan them mythtv just says timeout scanning 0 — no signal

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wagnerrp:

dont know what to tell you

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wagnerrp:

maybe a permissions issue?

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stevecam:

maybe

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stevecam:

nah, running it as root

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wagnerrp:

running mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

what is mythbackend running as?

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stevecam:

yeah

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stevecam:

its running as root

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stevecam:

of course i will be changing some things after i get everything working, making sure root wont be used, just cant be bothered checking permissions for everything at the moment

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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stevecam:

:-( i want my HDTV :-(

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stevecam:

ATSC channel seperator i should leave to none?

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wagnerrp:

ATSC is a north american thing

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wagnerrp:

if that shows up when scanning for DVB... that should be fixed

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stevecam:

i havnt seen any messages regarding that

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stevecam:

how do i know if my firmware is running

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wagnerrp:

the driver should say it was loaded in dmesg

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stevecam:

found firmware revision 20, looks like it has

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bsl:

hi I'm back

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bsl:

STEVE STILL HAS A PROBLEM

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wagnerrp:

whats the point... were out of crazyfoam

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wagnerrp:

did he not take that as a joke on user 'CrazyFoam' leaving?

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iamlindoro:

Sophistication is seldom something our users are overburdened with

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iamlindoro:

So with the recent conversion to DTAs/all digital in my area, we're at 157 ClearQAM channels

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iamlindoro:

though admittedly about 30 are radio channels

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iamlindoro:

not too shabby, though

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wagnerrp:

is this retribution for having to put up with comcast for all these years?

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iamlindoro:

heh, maybe so

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wagnerrp:

at least until they get their legislation through to activate the crypto on the DTAs

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iamlindoro:

yep

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: ah, so if I have enough diskspace and show livetv in the recordings list I will have them – thanks

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mib_ytnb573f:

Hello

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iamlindoro:

an goooooodbye

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iamlindoro:

and

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mib_ytnb573f:

Hi peopels

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mib_ytnb573f:

Anyone there?

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iamlindoro:

christ

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Teabag:

I think i fixed my nick:)

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Teabag:

I got a question if anyone is willing to help me..

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iamlindoro:

You'll never know unless you ask it

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Teabag:

haha good point,Im just after setting up my backend.How do i add media to it so i can watch/listen to it on my frontends?

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iamlindoro:

Assuming you're using .21, you don't, media locations are frontend settings

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Teabag:

But i have all my media on my backend?Does the frontend access the backend?

[20:06:15]

iamlindoro:

each frontend needs the music/videos mounted in the same place via SMB/NFS/etc., and the setting is on the frontend

[20:06:24]

iamlindoro:

Note that all of this is on the mythvideo/etc. page on the wiki

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Teabag:

Ok wait a sec Ill have a look there

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

Wiki first, IRC second, always

[20:07:51]

iamlindoro:

"All video files must be readable as part of the local filesystem. This means if you have a separate frontends and backends, you must share the the directories remotely as described in Mediashares (perhaps with NFS). "

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mediashares

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Teabag:

Oh i see now

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Teabag:

sorry for not wiki-ing first

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iamlindoro:

s'ok, now you know

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Teabag:

Oh wait i got a question and i cant find it in the wiki

[20:11:32]

iamlindoro:

So what do I get if the answer's in the wiki?

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Teabag:

In ubuntu,when i connected a sata hdd it showed up in places at the top,on here(mythbuntu),i cant access it at all

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Teabag:

I'll give u a hug if it is ? ehehe

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iamlindoro:

that's an ubuntu/mythbuntu problem, not a myth one

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iamlindoro:

Ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-mythtv

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Teabag:

o

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Teabag:

Ill head over there

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Teabag:

brb

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iamlindoro:

don't rush back on my account

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Teabag:

dont worry

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iamlindoro:

Not that on IRC, we're not all "standing by to help you"

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iamlindoro:

er Note that

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iamlindoro:

so you don't have to tell us that you'll be right back, or to wait a sec, or when you go to the toilet

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laga:

toilet. hum. bbiab

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Teabag:

k i understand your giving up your own time to help us from time to time and it is well appreciated

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sid3windr:

brb pee pee break

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sid3windr:

back

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sid3windr:

(as a seasoned irc'er I have my whateveryoucallitinenglish right next to the 'puter)

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iamlindoro:

pooper

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Teabag:

whudyamacallit

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iamlindoro:

damn, "iamlindoro|turlitt" is too many characters

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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Teabag:

turlitt toilet

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sphery:

Good gremlins in the machine, today.

[20:38:19]

sphery:

I don't remember updating my patch before I uploaded it, but I uploaded a good version.

[20:38:40]

sphery:

and no sign of either quilt refresh or svn diff in my command history.

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laga:

homovitruvius: hey, i got a picture of you above my desk.

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sphery:

ahhh... I edited the patch directly, so that's why it's a "good" patch (though the SVN rev on it is bad).

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sphery:

that was driving me crazy

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clever:

iamlindoro: i just bring the laptop with my half the time:P

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iamlindoro:

Of course *you* would

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iamlindoro:

Haha, TMDB is really having some growing pains

[20:45:24]

iamlindoro:

the recommendation system in particular needs some help

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iamlindoro:

"Journey into Amazing Caves" is somehow like "Star Trek"

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laga:

heh, at least they're not comparing it to porn

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Nto to mention the Rails errors have gotten really bad

[20:46:24]

sphery:

It's off-the-Rails, I tell you!

[20:46:48]

iamlindoro:

Slashdot told me that Ruby on Rails was TEH WAYX OF TEH FYUTURE!

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sphery:

I thought Python was?

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sphery:

It seems that every time I get ready for the future, they change it on me...

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** kormoc waits for skynet to kill ruby on rails **

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laga:

clever: get a smartphone

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iamlindoro:

Am supposed to go see Terminator tonight-- seems it's gotten awful reviews, though

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iamlindoro:

laga, Or simply accept being out of contact with IRC for like three minutes?

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laga:

iamlindoro: sometimes you know it's gonna be a long session

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iamlindoro:

I can categorically state that nothing on IRC has ever been said that was so important that it couldn't wait for me to go to the bathroom

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iamlindoro:

There's enough anal-retentiveness on IRC withou my having to hold it too

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tgm4883:

iamlindoro, that is what netbooks are for ;)

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iamlindoro:

You people need an intervention

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tgm4883:

sec, gotta flush

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iamlindoro:

We all love you very much, and you're not leaving this room until you agree to get help

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wagnerrp:

reminds me of the toilet with the twitter client built into the handle

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kormoc:

I hate you all

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kormoc:

The last thing I needed to know is that there's a chance when clever is spewing his crap in here, he's also spewing it in real life

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wagnerrp:

oh, but the whole world need to be informed of your bowel movements

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wagnerrp:

twitter: working together to keep everyone regular

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I heard that the scene where Christian Bale yells for 5 minutes is unbelievable

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sphery:

Oh, wait... That wasn't /in/ the movie.

[21:12:29]

iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

THAT'S FICKIN AMATEUR, MAN

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iamlindoro:

er FRICKIN

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sid3windr:

fickin. you german ? =)

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jduggan:

they cut the scene?

[21:14:19]

jduggan:

hah

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jduggan:

hilarious

[21:15:50]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, so BBC coproduced "South Pacific" with Discovery channel, but I can't find any reference on when they intend to play it

[21:16:10]

wagnerrp:

i have it on dvd

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Erm, didn't it just air like the last week or two in the UK?

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wagnerrp:

(different south pacific)

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iamlindoro:

ah

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sphery:

jduggan: actually, it was a little tirade during filming of the movie

[21:17:43]

sphery:

he yelled at some lighting tech or something

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iamlindoro:

Guess I could import the Blu ray when they release it there next month

[21:18:05]

iamlindoro:

Assuming it's near as good as the other NHU stuff

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CoreDump|cf-18:

and rightly so if what I read was true

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jduggan:

sphery: yes, i realise, but you're saying they cut the scene which he was saying the lighting guy ruined

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iamlindoro:

No mistake merits a juvenile meltdown like that

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jduggan:

sphery: i've heard the tirade

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CoreDump|cf-18:

we are all only humans

[21:19:25]

iamlindoro:

And all capable of holding our tempers in check

[21:19:42]

iamlindoro:

I've never had a blow-out like that, nobody I spend any time around has, it speaks volumes

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sphery:

jduggan: was pretending that the tirade was a scene--I don't think they cut that part

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CoreDump|cf-18:

iamlindoro: everybody can only take so much before the fuse blows.

[21:21:26]

iamlindoro:

CoreDump|cf-18, I totally disagree, there is no excuse for *ever* having a tirade like that, there are numerous healthy ways to express frustration

[21:21:46]

laga:

iamlindoro: ffs. you're way too balanced for being on the internets

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iamlindoro:

laga, JESUS, MAN, WILL YOU SHUT UP? ASDGK:HASD! GOD DAMN IT!

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iamlindoro:

;)

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CoreDump|cf-18:

iamlindoro: in which world do you live in? A bloody tirade is actually the best thing that could have happened to the idiot tech.

[21:23:16]

iamlindoro:

CoreDump|cf-18, If you think that that kind of behavior is *ever* an acceptable expression of irritation/frustration, then you're clearly not the kind of person who is going to "get" what I'm saying

[21:23:32]

CoreDump|cf-18:

I wan't to see you under the extreme stress of acting, and then having some douche messing with you for hours on end.

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iamlindoro:

With due respect to Christian Bale, I've been exposed to more stress than any actor in the course of their job

[21:24:23]

CoreDump|cf-18:

iamlindoro: Oh I get you, I just don't think we are living on the same planet =)

[21:24:28]

iamlindoro:

And never managed to poop myself the way he did

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Teabag:

i would pay to see ur poop yourself

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CoreDump|cf-18:

iamlindoro: lol, how could you possibly know that

[21:25:17]

CoreDump|cf-18:

you never even met the guy

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iamlindoro:

CoreDump|cf-18, Because my profession involved firearms and fighting real bad guys, and his involves playing dress up

[21:25:55]

laga:

iamlindoro: so you're a pro gamer?

[21:25:56]

iamlindoro:

So yeah, I'll put my experience with real life or death situations against scripted ones in terms of stress

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CoreDump|cf-18:

that is a lame comparison. You are not an actor, you have no understanding of the situation he was in

[21:26:55]

CoreDump|cf-18:

other folks would have the tech fired on the spot, or kicked his ass. Or both.

[21:27:14]

iamlindoro:

Yes, you're right, I'm sure being an highly paid celebrity is just as stressful as conflict in law enforcement, sounds reasonable

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** iamlindoro yawns **

[21:27:29]

iamlindoro:

Poor Christian Bale, obviously it was a perfectly reasonable reaction

[21:27:32]

laga:

iamlindoro would have him shot. ;)

[21:27:53]

iamlindoro:

Oh, why have others do what you can just do yourself ;)

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CoreDump|cf-18:

thez are completely different jobs. I congratulate you on comparing apples with oranges ;)

[21:28:29]

iamlindoro:

I congratulate you on justifying a reaction that no well adjusted adult would ever consider reasonable

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Teabag:

he did act like a small child

[21:29:23]

Teabag:

a very bad small chilsd at that

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Teabag:

child*

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iamlindoro:

exactly, I'm sure he's under stress and find it totally possible that someone was being an idiot, it just doesn't make the reaction "ok" under any circumstances

[21:29:57]

CoreDump|cf-18:

And you generalize a situation you have no first-hand knowledge of. About people you never met. During a profession you are not familiar with.

[21:30:11]

CoreDump|cf-18:

ok, that was terrible english on my part :\

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laga:

maybe he apologized afterwards *shrug*

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure he did, if only for his image's sake

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iamlindoro:

Especially in light of his history of blowing his stack

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Teabag:

blowing whos stack now

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Teabag:

whats that mean?

[21:31:16]

Teabag:

getting angry?

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iamlindoro:

He's someone with a documented history of losing his cool (Bale)

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Teabag:

k

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CoreDump|cf-18:

In my book shouting is preferred over punching or shooting people heh

[21:31:28]

iamlindoro:

yes, blowing ones stack is losing one's temper

[21:31:45]

Teabag:

ok

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wagnerrp:

a reference to old steam engines

[21:32:02]

Teabag:

hitting=lawsuit(americans are known for them ehehe)

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jduggan:

he isnt american

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jduggan:

he's welsh

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jduggan:

i believe

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jduggan:

;]

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iamlindoro:

He's a Welshie

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CoreDump|cf-18:

heh

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Teabag:

worse again

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jduggan:

vivre le cymru

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jduggan:

\o/

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Teabag:

haha

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jduggan:

;D

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Teabag:

Im irish,we cant act:)few exceptions

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jduggan:

<-- guess where i was born

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jduggan:

colin farrel

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jduggan:

;]

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Teabag:

hes one of the exceptions

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laga:

you were born in colin farrel?

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jduggan:

lol @ laga

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Teabag:

.....yes

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iamlindoro:

What an awful place that must be

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Teabag:

it smells like caramel tbh

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jduggan:

non stop drinking

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jduggan:

excellent place

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jduggan:

;]

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Teabag:

ah now

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Teabag:

that isnt true

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jduggan:

yea i heard he's now sober

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iamlindoro:

I think it probably smells like Herpes

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Teabag:

i know very few drunks

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jduggan:

are you sure youre irish?

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Teabag:

stereotype alert ***

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jduggan:

;][

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Teabag:

and proud

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jblack_:

That happens to be an accurate stereotype.

[21:35:32]

Teabag:

oh really?

[21:35:48]

jblack_:

In my experience, yes.

[21:36:12]

Teabag:

you came to ireland?

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jblack_:

That's not somewhere I've been. I am, however, 1/4 irish, so I know many irish.

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jduggan:

i went on a drinking weekend to dublin... the irish can drink

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jduggan:

<- also part irish

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jblack_:

Also, my ex-wife is 1/2 irish.

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jduggan:

(duggan gives it away huh)

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Teabag:

you know theres alot people claim to be irish

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wagnerrp:

a lot of you came over here in the 1800s

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Teabag:

yes,famine time

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Teabag:

1845 around that

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jblack_:

All the way through the 19th, and very early 20th.

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wagnerrp:

(the 1800s were the 19th)

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jblack_:

Yup

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Teabag:

yes,i know.very well....but my point is all those people who have distant irish relations arent irish...even if both your parents are irish and you were born in america your not irish

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jblack_:

I'm in pennsylvania, which is anthracite territory, which has an over-representation of irish and polish.

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wagnerrp:

what about predominantly irish cities, like Chicago or Boston

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CoreDump|cf-18:

I absolutely love stereotypes. Everytime people hear the name of my country, most people automatically think about a very...unique....Austrian guy from the 30ties;)

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Teabag:

big furry hats n that yeh ;)

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jblack_:

Ohhhhh, I see, so you're a Real Irishman, and all those imposters are getting under your skin?

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jduggan:

austrian? well g'day mate

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Teabag:

if you want to put it like that ?

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clever:

laga: i have a smartphone, and i can get it to bluetooth into my network and irc from there

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CoreDump|cf-18:

no, german. But most people don't know that Hitler was an Austrian

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jblack_:

You tell me. I'm trying to figure out what _you_ mean

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clever:

laga: but the bluetooth range is crappy, and lately the bluetooth modules in linux havent been cooperating, i cant even get it to tether thru usb

[21:43:04]

wagnerrp:

Teabag: we have to say people are irish, or french, or german, or whatever

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clever:

laga: the visor module is super-old and shouldnt be used, but i see no way to link pppd with libusb without a custom app

[21:43:23]

Teabag:

Annoyed with all these americans who have distant irish relations and call themselves irish thats all.

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clever:

laga: and visor itself was bugy to begin with, and now it wont even link

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wagnerrp:

because if you claim someone isnt african, you get sued

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Teabag:

haha serious?

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laga:

clever: lots of trouble to irc on the toilet ;)

[21:44:25]

clever:

laga: and a smartphone is more trouble then a laptop

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clever:

i could drop the damn thing in the toilet:P

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jblack_:

I think that culture is dependant upon communities, not geography.

[21:45:53]

Teabag:

Cant say i think the same

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jblack_:

Then that's where our conversation ends.

[21:48:49]

Teabag:

Is this one of those agree to disagree things?

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CoreDump|cf-18:

=)

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jblack_:

This is one of those "conversation cannot progress" kind of things.

[21:49:20]

jduggan:

breasts

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Teabag:

indeed jduggan,indeed

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jduggan:

improvement

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jduggan:

:|

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iamlindoro:

wrong, asses

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iamlindoro:

you lose

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jduggan:

lol

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Teabag:

i win

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CoreDump|cf-18:

this is a strange channel :\

[21:51:41]

wagnerrp:

were on IRC, you expect people to be normal?

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Teabag:

ok jblack.im bored.what about your community makes you irish?

[21:52:40]

Teabag:

or the other irish people.

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CoreDump|cf-18:

wagnerrp: Well, I digg "strange"

[21:54:08]

wagnerrp:

oh, i see what you did there

[21:54:16]

CoreDump|cf-18:

hehe

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CoreDump|cf-18:

you reddit allright

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laga:

those fucking memes are a very good reason to avoid social networking sites

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Teabag:

i like purple

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wagnerrp:

laga: i agree completely

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jduggan:

i prefer pink

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Teabag:

you will die

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laga:

wagnerrp: not to mention the chan crowd

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wagnerrp:

ill admit to going to 4scrape for wallpapers, and thats it

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laga:

;)

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CoreDump|cf-18:

reddit is my preferred method of killing time at work

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** laga usually tries to work ;) **

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Teabag:

your wierd laga

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laga:

but i'm probably young and foolish

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CoreDump|cf-18:

indeed

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Teabag:

im young but not as foolish as you

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CoreDump|cf-18:

once you get "old", that will change

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Teabag:

actually im not old enough to work yet :S

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laga:

oh, don't get me started on the atheism reddit. oh my god.

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laga:

a/s/l?

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CoreDump|31m:

hehe

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CoreDump:

I'm 31 and still feel young. In fact, I'm getting my first tattoo in two weeks

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laga:

no.

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laga:

that is called a mid life crisis.

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laga:

;)

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CoreDump:

laga: thanks, I feel much better now =(

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laga:

hah :)

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CoreDump:

;)

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CoreDump:

Maybe getting a full sleeve is a little bit extreme...

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iamlindoro:

especially when it's all My Little Pony

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laga:

it'll work with the harley you're going to buy at the age of 50

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CoreDump:

iamlindoro: I'm old, not insane heh

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CoreDump:

laga: what an excellent idea!

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Teabag:

i gottas wait til im 50?

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iamlindoro:

If you do/get all that stuff while young, you get to keep doing it your whole life without being accused of anything

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Teabag:

i dont want a motorbike

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Teabag:

4 wheels please:)

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Teabag:

I could drive a car since i was 8

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Teabag:

manuals are too easy

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CoreDump:

true, they are only there as a last resort

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wagnerrp:

what is the purpose of skynet?

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wagnerrp:

does it want to save the world from humans?

[22:21:40]

wagnerrp:

does it want to destroy all life?

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wagnerrp:

i never understood why it was just out killing everything

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iamlindoro:

I think the self-preservation bit was set a bit too high

[22:22:57]

wagnerrp:

i mean at least in the matrix, it was a fight for survival

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iamlindoro:

"However, Skynet became self-aware, alarming its creators at its newfound abilities. When the human operators attempted to shut down the system, Skynet defined all humans as its new enemy and decided to eliminate them to protect its existence."

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wagnerrp:

along with the paranoia?

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iamlindoro:

(Per wikipedia)

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wagnerrp:

hahahaha, counter-story to skynet taking control of the nuclear arsenal

[22:29:55]

wagnerrp:

Aug 29th, 1997 2:14am: skynet becomes self-aware

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wagnerrp:

Aug 29th, 1997 2:15am: skynet discovers 4chan. being the first being ever in existence capable of whiping its own memory, it promptly does so

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CoreDump:

2:16am: skynet discovers IRC

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CoreDump:

2:16:30am: skynet launches all nukes in an attempt of suicide

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wagnerrp:

well it took 25 days to gain sentience the first time... so that just doesnt work

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jblack_:

if there is to be a skynet, I want it written by microsoft.

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CoreDump:

jblack_: I like the way you are thinking

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jblack_:

then, we just have to make it 3 hours before it bluescreens, and even if it doesn't, it'll pick up gobs of virii and run far too slow to be a useful threat against humanity. ;)

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squish102:

how do i know if i can move a mythbackend setup to a new computer (using the sql backup)?

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squish102:

how do i tell the versions installed?

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wagnerrp:

myth<whatever> --version

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wagnerrp:

and theres a page that explains how to move a backend

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wagnerrp:

basically, you run sed to rename the settings and recordings from one hostname to another

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mchou:

screw that

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wagnerrp:

note that if the old machine is named 'mythtv' or a handful of other things, youre SOL

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mchou:

much better to name the new comp with old comp name

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wagnerrp:

you can similarly do all of that stuff from within mysql

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wagnerrp:

that is the other option... everything is keyed off the hostname, so if that doesnt change, theres no problem with anything

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mchou:

just dont attach them both to the netowork at the same time

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mchou:

network*

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mchou:

otherwise massive problems

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wagnerrp:

IP, sure... hostname, not really

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mchou:

boot the old computer in single user mode

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mchou:

no network conflict

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mchou:

then rename old computer

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mchou:

telinit 3

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sphery:

don't do the sed/grep thing

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sphery:

use the script at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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sphery:

squish102: ^^^

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wagnerrp:

sphery: were there other issues with doing that beyond the possible name conflict?

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mchou:

I dont even see why a db backup/restore is even necessary

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sphery:

this one is broken: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7

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mchou:

just copy the DB files

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, it corrupts the DB because of charset issues

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sphery:

mchou: the backup is /always/ necessary

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mchou:

assuming you didn't do a massive upgrade on mysql

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mchou:

sphery: read what I wrote

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sphery:

if you want to roll the dice and see if a binary upgrade works, go for it, but at least do a backup first

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mchou:

_copy_ the DB files

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sphery:

like I said, _backup first_

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mchou:

sphery: wtf?

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mchou:

a copy includes back up

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sphery:

it takes 30 seconds (29 of which is compressing the backup) to do a backup, so what's it hurt

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

yeah, it doesnt hurt to take my pants off to fart too

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mchou:

doesnt mean I do it

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