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Thursday, May 21st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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heyheyhey:

sphery sound like ur a tv hoarder

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sphery:

heyheyhey: actually, just have way more tuners than time.

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sphery:

I watch and delete everything--with the exception of those I delete without watching (because of cancelled series or whatever)

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** iamlindoro feels like he's about to get in big trouble on the mailing list ;) **

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** sphery decides to go read the list **

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sphery:

nice

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iamlindoro:

It's inflammatory, but he picked the wrong day to pipe up

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iamlindoro:

And I'm out of patience for people who surface simply to question the rules

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iamlindoro:

(When it's not their ass on the line)

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sphery:

maybe it's all the rain we've been getting/not seeing the sun for a while/not getting enough Vitamin D, but I completely understand where that came from

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sphery:

yeah... I tried to explain the "why" behind the rule so people would get that there's a good reason for it and someone else could get in trouble for their statements

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wagnerrp:

i thought dvd/br decryption for personal use fell under the interoperability clause, and were thus not covered under DMCA

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sphery:

from Wendy Seltzer (Myth user) about 12 days ago: http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2009/0 . . . earings.html

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sphery:

looks to me like people are making the argument they should be allowed to circumvent, but the law doesn't yet allow it

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wagnerrp:

that about the RealNetworks suit?

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sphery:

about the every-three-year Librarian of Congress and Register of Copyrights hearing of arguments for exemptions

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sphery:

2000, 2003, 2006, and now

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iamlindoro:

Wonder if I can actually goad JYA into forking Myth

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iamlindoro:

"Come on. Punch me. do it. Punch me."

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how quickly he will be abandoned and forgotten when 0.22 is released with all the features he's been backporting

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iamlindoro:

He'll find something from .23 to backport

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sphery:

Someone mentioned Dead Penguin ( http://www.deadpenguin.tv/ ) earlier today, so I looked at it and watched the video demo and couldn't help but think, "Why?" The guy seems to be doing /everything/ from scratch. Playback, DVD Nav, ...

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iamlindoro:

IMO if MythUI were remotely backportable he would have done it by now

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iamlindoro:

sphery, That guy seems very specific about targeting/mentioning *SD*

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sphery:

And from scratch, meaning not using libdvdnav (then again, maybe he just talked up the work he did as something more than what it was)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, So I'm curious about whether it has issues with HD

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sphery:

the dead penguin?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

On the Status page

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sphery:

he said he has no channel-change support, yet (so he sets the tuner on a mux and can only change within mux)

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sphery:

so it sounds /very/ primitive

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sphery:

like, in 10 years--if he gets a lot of help--he might have most of the functionality of Myth

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sphery:

I guess he probably would have just decided to work on Myth if it had any themes that people would be willing to pay for...

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sphery:

but, alas, where is that guy who had dreams of a flaming-video theme

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

permanently banned from #mythtv IIRC

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

From Wendy's blog: Then Steve Metalitz, representing a Group of 9 copyright industries, argued that the proponents of an exemption were taking the law too seriously if they were being chilled by the remote threat of an anticircumvention lawsuit. Was he really advocating that we disregard the law??

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sphery:

The paragraph after is better... "The proceedings jumped the line to farce when Fritz Attaway and a colleague from the MPAA pulled out a cinematic demonstration of just how to camcord a movie from your television screen. (You start with a $900 HD video camera, a tripod, a flat-screen television, and a room that can be completely darkened.)"

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dserban:

lol

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dserban:

cuz I can do that when I go to the "theatuh"

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wagnerrp:

wait... isnt that exactly whats happening to RealNetworks?

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wagnerrp:

theyre under attach by an anti-circumvention lawsuit

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sphery:

yeah, they are

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sphery:

they're likely to lose that--due to a proper interpretation of the DMCA--but it just happens to coincide with the hearing on exemptions

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sphery:

where, basically, the Librarian of Congress has the authority to make certain acts--like taking sufficiently-small clips from a DVD/Blu-Ray for use in an educational presentation--legal, but does /not/ have the authority to make the tools that circumvent the DRM legal; meaning, it's basically a moot point

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sphery:

at least, that's my IANAL understanding

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sphery:

heyheyhey: are you running w/ Pulse?

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heyheyhey:

yes

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sphery:

heyheyhey: if so, try getting rid of pulse and see if you can reproduce the problem

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sphery:

pulse and Myth don't really get along

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sphery:

I wouldn't be suprised if that's a factor

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mike3:

I'm having some issues with Mythtv since I've been using it. I find that MythTV's recordings are very dull and colorless looking.....

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iamlindoro:

Stop watching the history channel

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mike3:

I can't think of why it looks like shit.

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wagnerrp:

analog recordings?

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mike3:

yah...

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mike3:

But when watching live the colors are fine.

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mike3:

It seems only recording..... I'm using a Hauppauge PVR 150

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wagnerrp:

framegrabber?

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wagnerrp:

odd

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mike3:

It's to the point where I'm considering of jumping on board with Windows 7 media Center

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mike3:

:s

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wagnerrp:

live tv is just a recording with some extra playback code

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wagnerrp:

check your recording options

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wagnerrp:

see if youre running different profiles for livetv and recordings

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mike3:

wagnerrp, all is default..

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wagnerrp:

maybe your 150 is unhappy with whatever settings youre using

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mike3:

Other then trying to fix it with profiles

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mike3:

which didn't work

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wagnerrp:

are you possibly recording with 'low quality'?

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wagnerrp:

is it the same channels that youre watching live and over a recording?

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wagnerrp:

is it at the same time of day?

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mike3:

it's 24/7

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mike3:

all profiles

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mike3:

deffault or not

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mike3:

live tv (meaning I'm not using the computer)

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iamlindoro:

So you don't mean Myth Live TV, then

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iamlindoro:

How do the recordings look when you play them with another app, ie mplayer?

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mike3:

no.. MythTV Live is no different then the recording

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wagnerrp:

you mean watching directly on your tv, rather than with myth's 'live tv' mode

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mike3:

it's dull looking

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iamlindoro:

if they look fine, then you have a playback problem-- if they look bad, it's a recording profile or card problem

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mike3:

iamlindoro, I've never tried....

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iamlindoro:

give it a shot

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mike3:

give me a min to try

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mike3:

brb

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wagnerrp:

open up a terminal

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wagnerrp:

type 'cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg'

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wagnerrp:

let it run for 20 seconds or so

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wagnerrp:

open it up in the player of your choosing and see if it still has bad colors

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iamlindoro:

personally I'd rather he try it on a pre-existing myth recording

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iamlindoro:

as that's a "known bad"

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wagnerrp:

well that will work too

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wagnerrp:

also, are you watching these videos on a TV or a computer monitor?

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt the drivers have retained the settings from the last recording?

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mike3:

wagnerrp, still looks like crap

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mike3:

wagnerrp, on a tv through VGA

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mike3:

all dvd's and what not work perfectly fine on it.

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mike3:

You know, I'm really getting to the point where I'm going to jump on the wagon of Media Center. I'm to the point where I'm tired of setting up and fixing things.

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mike3:

I've been using Myth for about 3 years.

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mike3:

I'm just sick of it.

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wagnerrp:

your problem is likely not one different software will solve

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wagnerrp:

if the video coming out of the 150 is bad, you can either try upping the bitrate

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wagnerrp:

or you have a signal problem

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mike3:

but it'll solve the shutting down and coming up issues. The ability to turn on and off the computer via remote.. The remote is fully compatible etc etc

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mike3:

wagnerrp, Not a signal problem. I've checked all that.

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mike3:

plus no offense media center has a way better gui interface.

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wagnerrp:

thats getting completely revamped for 0.22

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mike3:

Myth is to behind on the front end.. It's quite out of date now. It's to much compared to XP media center

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mike3:

wagnerrp, Is there any screenshots?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro has some videos laying around of the one hes working on

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mike3:

is it possible to see?

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wagnerrp:

and screens of the current demo theme are on the wiki

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mike3:

I like Myth but I'm tired of the problems that come with it.

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_terra

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wagnerrp:

basically, the old UI made all themes look relatively the same

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wagnerrp:

you could change the colors, backgrounds, fonts, but the positioning was all relatively the same

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wagnerrp:

the new UI lets all that be customized by the themer

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mike3:

that link isn't working

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra

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mike3:

what about transitions and what not..

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mike3:

Any vidoes? I'd like to see...

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wagnerrp:

TBH, i dont know what all is possible

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wagnerrp:

i know the opengl renderer right now does some amount of transition between pages

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wagnerrp:

but i thought that was available in 0.21 as well

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wagnerrp:

like i said, iamlindoro has put up some demo footage in here, but i dont know if theyre still on his site

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iamlindoro:

Sorry, was afk

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/tvepsupport.ogg

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to find some links by search the logs for 'ogg' files

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/detailscreen.ogg

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/PBB-fanart.ogg

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wagnerrp:

then theres this page, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Demo_Theme

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wagnerrp:

that one isnt a functional theme, but mockups to show what its capable of

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iamlindoro:

That one actually is "for real"

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iamlindoro:

though not usable, really

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iamlindoro:

you can d/l it at the bottom, but there's no real menu or other screens so lots of falling back

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wagnerrp:

well its really mythtv, but its only a partial theme

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, shouldn't be necessary to sell Myth to people, anyone who wants to go use WMC is more than welcome to IMO ;)

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mike3:

hrm....... This looks like quite an improvement to the user interface...

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iamlindoro:

Personally I wouldn't let Microsoft decide what I get to do with my media

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mike3:

But it doesn't explain my problems with why mythtv won't issue my shut downs all the time. It's hit and miss...

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mike3:

I have mythtv outputting to my alarm and shutting down my computer

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sphery:

mike3: are you sure your TV isn't doing you the favor of color correction?

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mike3:

then it wakes on the next recording.. The problem is, this doesn't always work

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mike3:

It's hit and miss

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mike3:

sphery, newp, this happens on both tv's i have

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mike3:

dvdrip's work fine

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mike3:

live tv/recordings look like ass

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mike3:

I have no idea why and I have spent numerous hours trying to figure it out.

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mike3:

I've had no luck.

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sphery:

might also be your video drivers, then

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mike3:

Maybe it's my PVR card, but there is just so many other things that piss me off.

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mike3:

sphery, I'm using the best that are suggested

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sphery:

might want to check nvidia-settings (assuming nvidia drivers)

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sphery:

they have all sorts of color correction things

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mike3:

sphery, I dought that's it. Everything outside of mythtv works perfect

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sphery:

I'm assuming you tested the MPlayer playback on the TV

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mike3:

sphery, yes....

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mike3:

looks like crap

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sphery:

versus a monitor

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mike3:

yep

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mike3:

same deal

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sphery:

so, either set the per-channel picture controls for recording (hit G in LiveTV to edit that channel's) or mess with the video driver's settings

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mike3:

i have

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mike3:

It very well might be the pvr card

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sphery:

(I didn't read all of scrollback, so ignore any redundant advice/wrong advice due to that)

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mike3:

yah np

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wagnerrp:

did you mess with the recording profiles much?

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wagnerrp:

i know you said you were currently using the defaults

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mike3:

wagnerrp, yep

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mike3:

i've tried different settings all over the board..

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mike3:

Nothing fixed my issue....

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wagnerrp:

i just found recordings on my 150s to be rather lacking at the default bitrates

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wagnerrp:

why do the XBMC images on that page look so harsh

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wagnerrp:

is it just the jpeg compression? or is that actually how it renders?

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mike3:

I hate to say it, but I think I'm jumping on board with Media Center..... MythTV has been great for me, but I'm tired of the on going issues..

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wagnerrp:

hope the card works better on the other side

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mike3:

wagnerrp, I hope so too.. There is a good possibility it'll be crappy to, but at least I won't have all the other issues relating to shutting down and coming up and what not.

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mike3:

And the ability to turn the computer on with the MS remote.

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mike3:

Plus I'm pretty impressed with the interface and transitions and what not.

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wagnerrp:

that should be a BIOS setting

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wagnerrp:

nothing to do with the OS

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mike3:

The only thing that bothers me about it is the privacy issues some have faced

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wagnerrp:

wake-on-USB

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mike3:

wagnerrp, I don't have that feature

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wagnerrp:

well if your BIOS doesnt support that, linux or windows wont make a bit of difference

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cal_:

cant direct download hd programs on mythweb. other programs work fine, any ideas?

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mike3:

windows allows a hybernating which allows you to bring it out of hibernation.. With linux the computer shuts completely down and wakes on alarm. however, I have to walk up to the computer to turn it on.

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mike3:

Plus the remote is completely compatible.....

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wagnerrp:

theres some options in sysfs to read those directly

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mike3:

Believe me I hate windows. :)

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wagnerrp:

youve tested this? you know you can wake the machine up with the remote?

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mike3:

wagnerrp, No it will not wake with the remote. You're speaking on terms of the bios right...

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mike3:

Wake-On-Usb ?

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mike3:

Pretty sure it doesn't have the option.....

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mike3:

Maybe an update to the firmware will allow this but nothing right now

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wagnerrp:

i mean you put the machine into standby or hibernation, the OS does not matter

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wagnerrp:

either the board supports it or it doesnt

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mike3:

wagnerrp, it's the matter of how does it go into hibernation if i'm watching a recording you know?

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mike3:

Does it know mythtv is active what not

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mike3:

And no I have not configure hibernation on it. I've always find hibernation to never work properly (meaning it doesn't bring up all your devices properly)

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wagnerrp:

in linux or windows?

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mike3:

linux

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wagnerrp:

i mean in windows... you have tested that you can wake up the computer with the remote?

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mike3:

No, I've never used this computer with windows before... However, I know that this feature should work properly using hibernation within windows.....

[02:49:05]

mike3:

Plus this will allow me to compare. :)

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mike3:

I'm going to toss Windows 7 RC on it and play with it for months.....

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wagnerrp:

well you can look in /proc/acpi/wakeup... but thats not the one i was looking for

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mike3:

This will allow me to make a comparable difference. My problem really boils down to ease of use. I have a linux desktop for my play ground along with my servers to mess with. I just want a working tv computer that looks pretty. :)

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mike3:

/proc/acpi/alarm is what i sue

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mike3:

and works

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mike3:

all the time

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mike3:

:)

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wagnerrp:

i mean you look in that file, look for your USB hubs, and see what the status is

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mike3:

I don't want to worry about updates fucking the machine up

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wagnerrp:

one of my machines only supports S3 (standby), the other only supports S1 (suspend)

[02:51:29]

wagnerrp:

neither supports S5 (off/hibernation)

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mike3:

I'm not 100% sure to be honest....

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wagnerrp:

although i believe one should if i went into the bios and enabled it

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wagnerrp:

well what does it say? check the file

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mike3:

At the moment I have no keyboard to plug into the unit. I need batteries for my wireless keyboard. :)

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mike3:

sec

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wagnerrp:

so check over ssh

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mike3:

sec.. just issued a wake on lan

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mike3:

give it a min to boot

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mike3:

it says S4 for everything but the status shows disabled

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mike3:

including USB in there

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wagnerrp:

echo "USB0" > /proc/acpi/wakeup

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wagnerrp:

put it in standby, and try again

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wagnerrp:

try waking it with the remote

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mike3:

with the remote?

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mike3:

sec

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wagnerrp:

the board has to support it, AND the system has to have it enabled

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wagnerrp:

if youve got multiple root hubs, set them all

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mike3:

okay so how to i tell the machine to hibernate?

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wagnerrp:

see if you have 's2ram' installed

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mike3:

hibernate ?

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, there is no real reason to use hibernation with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

either shut it down, or put it in standby

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wagnerrp:

the only thing youll lose is your place in the menu

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wagnerrp:

and who cares, its only a few seconds to get back there anyway

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mike3:

wagnerrp, how about coming up for recordings and what not

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mike3:

?

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend starts on bootup right?

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mike3:

yep

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wagnerrp:

thats all you need

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mike3:

what?

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mike3:

you've lost me

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mike3:

and no i do not have s2ram

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wagnerrp:

here we go... echo -n 'standby' > /sys/power/state

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wagnerrp:

try that

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wagnerrp:

should put the computer into standby, and the remote should be able to wake it back up

[02:59:14]

wagnerrp:

as should the alarm timer

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mike3:

let me try

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mike3:

sec

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wagnerrp:

anyway, so long as the backend is running when the show starts, it will record

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wagnerrp:

theres no need to be concerned about its 'state'

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mike3:

nothing worked

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mike3:

i still had a picture on the tv

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wagnerrp:

the first thing it does is reruns the scheduler, and check to see if there are any upcoming recordings

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mike3:

but nothing worked

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mike3:

wagnerrp, The point is, I'm trying to save power right.

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mike3:

I want it to go down and come up for recordings

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mike3:

This is why i have it shutdown after outputting to the /proc/acpi/alarm

[03:03:05]

mike3:

this works 70% of the time. However, sometimes MythTV just doesn't initiate a shutdown

[03:03:07]

mike3:

I have no idea why

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wagnerrp:

right, the alarm will wake it up from standby just as well, if you can get it into standby

[03:03:25]

wagnerrp:

and standby only uses marginally more power than shutdown

[03:03:41]

wagnerrp:

since the machine will always be drawing a couple watts so long as it is plugged

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mike3:

and you figure standby would allow my remote to work

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mike3:

?

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mike3:

This is how I understood Media Center will work

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wagnerrp:

standby is just faster than shutdown for testing

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iamlindoro:

I will literally pay someone to fly to .au and punch JYA in the face

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mzb:

paypal transfer will be fine

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iamlindoro:

lurvely :)

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mzb:

:) do I need to know who JYA is? ... should I care? ... perhaps not ;))

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iamlindoro:

The VDPAU backport monkey

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mzb:

ah

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** mzb hunts for knuckle dusters **

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iamlindoro:

That's my boy

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mzb:

ooh ... a cricket bat!

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wagnerrp:

wheres the key grip when you need him...

[03:24:42]

** mzb find various WMD **

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mzb:

s/finds

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iamlindoro:

That's right, you go all Mad Max on him

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iamlindoro:

when it's over, I want to see you walking out of a dusty wasteland

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** mzb is Tasmanian Devil **

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mzb:

z/Taz ;)

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wagnerrp:

isnt most of AU a dusty wasteland anyway?

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mzb:

yeah, you're thinking about the "North Island" ;))

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mzb:

(some refer to it as "The Mainland" ... pfft)

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iamlindoro:

heh, love that national pride

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iamlindoro:

funny, I just remembered that JYA called all tasmanians a pack of pussies

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iamlindoro:

I told him that wasn't true, but he just started shouting

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iamlindoro:

Said some very disparaging things about your mothers, too

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iamlindoro:

Which I thought were both rude and wrong.

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wagnerrp:

something about a dingo ate your brother

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mzb:

sounds like a Queenslander ;)

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iamlindoro:

A queen something, anyway

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mzb:

yeah, they like bananas a little too much up there

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iamlindoro:

That's weird, he totally said the same thing about you

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iamlindoro:

called you "a bunch of fruity honeyeaters"

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iamlindoro:

but said that your mom was, and I quote, "A real 'tasmanian tiger' if you know what I mean" end quote.

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dibbz:

lol

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dibbz:

Kevin Rudd is a Queenslander :)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.tv.com/video/20220/Pilot+-+Clip+On . . . slot;button;

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iamlindoro:

"V" Clip

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sphery:

"V" Clip sounds a lot like those Verizon V CAST commercials where they promise you a chance to "watch your favorite clips from tonight's ... on your phone" ( http://products.vzw.com/index.aspx?id=video stuff)

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ajhtiredwolf:

Hi, I recently got a new router, the local ip of the backend changed, i changed it in mythbackend setup, and in the front end, i can launch myth but if i try and go to watch recordings or live tv it freezes.

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ajhtiredwolf:

in the console it will say l2009-05–20 23:05:34.235 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.110:6543 (try 1 of 5) 2009-05–20 23:05:34.236 Using protocol version 40, which is the correct local ip but it just hangs there

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mamaro:

my xbox360 has a windows media center. is there a way to have mythtv host my tv but connect in my xbox360

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ajhtiredwolf:

mamaro, yeah you can have the backend hosted on a pc and then use the 360 as a frontend

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iamlindoro:

Well, given the xbox 360 can't play MPEG-2 via uPnP, and can't play NUV containers, you *can't* actually watch MythTV with an Xbox 360

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mamaro:

hmm thank you ajhtiredwolf i will have to read up on that

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iamlindoro:

Again, *no*, you cannot use an xbox 360 as a myth frontend

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iamlindoro:

All myth recordings will be MPEG-2 video, MPEG-TS container format, or NUV container format, *none* of which the xbox 360 upnp allows

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mamaro:

i see

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iamlindoro:

and the media center extender functionality is not compatible with Myth-- So, to be clear, absolutely *no* TV from myth on the 360.

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mamaro:

that was my second question thank you again. and so is there another application that i can research that works with the media center extender for the xbox/

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iamlindoro:

Windows MEdia Center

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iamlindoro:

It's the only thing compatible with Media Center Extenders, somewhat predictably

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ajhtiredwolf:

iamlindoro, the xbox functioned as a fine mythfrtonend why not the xbox 360?

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iamlindoro:

ajhtiredwolf, The xbox can run mythfrontend if you mod it, install linux, and install myth-- you can't install linux or myth on a 360

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ajhtiredwolf:

iamlindoro, oh he means just a regular xbox360? i assumed he modded it :P

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iamlindoro:

even if he modded it you still couldn't run myth on it

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iamlindoro:

Again, no linux, no myth

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ajhtiredwolf:

iamlindoro, you can install linux on the xbox and 360

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iamlindoro:

ajhtiredwolf, there hasn't been any progress on that in several years

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iamlindoro:

Feel free to try it

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ajhtiredwolf:

iamlindoro, dont have a 360 :P, works fine on my xbox though, i just have a buddy who did it on his 360

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iamlindoro:

ajhtiredwolf, Your friend is full of it, myth won't run on the 360

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iamlindoro:

anyway, bed time

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johannes__:

mythbox (xbmc skript) seems to work, maybe thats an alternative?

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iamlindoro:

johannes__, Can't run XBMC on the 360 either

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ajhtiredwolf:

iamlindoro, "can't" bah :-P that answer is always wrong

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iamlindoro:

XBMC is xbox 1 only

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iamlindoro:

ajhtiredwolf, don't argue semantics, it's can't. Get it working, then it stops being can't

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johannes__:

oh, didnt know that

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iamlindoro:

johannes__, Well, and linux and windows, and Mac os X, but not Xbox 360

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ajhtiredwolf:

iamlindoro, http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=595543

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iamlindoro:

ajhtiredwolf, With no access to the GPU, that's not going to get you anywhere

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iamlindoro:

so it's *still* can't

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ajhtiredwolf:

he installed linux on the xbox

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ajhtiredwolf:

:-P *nehhh*

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RyeBrye:

The recent improvements to the lcdproc client for mythtv are nice. I like how it will now rotate properly with other screens

[07:31:19]

RyeBrye:

I can now maybe make another lcdproc client that will pull the upcoming recordings list and put that into my loop as a low priority screen so I can see what's coming up in the future

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RyeBrye:

(pull maybe the next 4 recordings or something, or maybe list all recordings for the next 2 hours – whichever is greater)

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xris:

I need to spend some time with lcdproc and get my lcd screen running again

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xris:

or at least turned off (my wife hates how bright the backlight is, and it takes lcdproc to turn it off)

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mamaro:

okay i am stumped. have a channels.conf file example channel: KOIN-HD:629028615:8VSB:49:52:3 mythtv keeps on timing out it is digital antenna

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mamaro:

when I try to import

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Stacklob:

hey guys, what is the easiest and cheapest way to record massively all the channels i want?

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Stacklob:

i've got some rack space to use and like 30~ antenna cables

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pak0:

hi all people, good morning

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Leftmost:

I'm looking at the possibility of setting up a Myth box, but I'm having difficulty figuring out if it's possible to control MythMusic and MythVideo from another system on the network. MythWeb mentions interacting with these plugins, but I can't tell if that's only for playing video and music on the other system (rather than on the Myth frontend).

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Leftmost:

Anyone able to clarify?

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Dibblah:

All of that stuff is frontend.

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Dibblah:

The backend just records TV programs and does misc. stuff.

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Leftmost:

I'd probably run it as a backend-less system, as it'll probably only serve as a media box. I'm just wondering if the frontend can be controlled by another computer. (Say, sitting on a laptop, want to play a specific song on the frontend.)

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pak0:

its possible to use the scripts of xbmc on mythtv? for data movies?

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sphery:

wow... Caviar Green 1TB for $81 at newegg with promo code EMCLSNM47 or Samsung SpinPoint 1TB for $67.50 with same code (10% off all HDD's up to $10).

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nurettin_:

hello

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nurettin_:

i have got intel atom mainborad

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nurettin_:

and avermedia tv card

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nurettin_:

i cant hear sound from recordings

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nurettin_:

when open the line in

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nurettin_:

sound is coming.

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nurettin_:

but mythtv recordings no sound.

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nurettin_:

my os version ubuntu 8.04

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nurettin_:

hardy

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iamlindoro:

sphery: So small? ;)

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wagnerrp:

shame that deal didnt come about a month ago

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wagnerrp:

nurettin_: check the docs on how to get audio from a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

sounds like you need to set it up to capture audio off your sound card

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nurettin_:

wagnerrp: but when i am using xaw tv my sound card running

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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nurettin_:

xawtv open automatically playback line in sound.

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nurettin_:

and sound is come

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wagnerrp:

thats fine, xawtv doesnt try to record either

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wagnerrp:

you need to disable passthrough on your sound card, and tell myth to record off the line-in

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wagnerrp:

ive never used a framegrabber under linux, so i dont know what to tell you to do beyond that

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stuarta:

generally they are accepted to be a royal PITA

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nurettin_:

wagnerrp: what is frame grabber ?

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wagnerrp:

the tuner driver dumps raw frames to a location in memory

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has to grab them, and then encode them in real-time

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solexious:

Hia, looking though the wiki at the moment for info on iso's. I'm buying and setting up my mythtv setup in a couple of months. Before then I want to use the time to rip full iso's of my dvd collections. Any suggestions as to making the iso's easy to import into mythtv? i.e. making the file name the barcode number from the box?

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sphery:

Generally, make the file name the title you want the DVD to use on screen--with the exception that you can use underscores for spaces and can put "extra" info in brackets--i.e. Home_Movies-1990_[Transferred_To_DVD_From_VCR].iso or whatever

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sphery:

if you use any other filename, you'll have to edit the title's in Myth, so it's easiest to make the filename the title

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sphery:

solexious: ^^^

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solexious:

Sphery, aaah, ok. Will look at how myth handles dvd's better. Was hoping it could pull dvd poster imgs and film info etc

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meshe:

you can, it's just searched for by name

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meshe:

not bar code

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meshe:

solexious: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl

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solexious:

aww, and i was looking forward to using my usb barcode reader ;)

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meshe:

yeah, i would like to see a upc code field on tmdb

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solexious:

isnt there a dvd video site along the lines of musicbrainz... *googles*

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solexious:

remember using it years ago when I was thinking of windows media center...

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AndyCap:

didn't see anything obvious about barcodes in the tmdb forums

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meshe:

you'd need multiple upc codes per movie too due to multiple releases/versions of movies

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AndyCap:

well, multiple ean or other formats.

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solexious:

yer, sadly the db they have for http://www.mymovies.dk/ is fab for upc codes, but as far as I can tell you need to use there soft to get to it

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meshe:

yeah, so far i've only found windows software that has the database for it, I would love to write an add on for tmdb to lookup movies by bar code. I'd either need to get a database of barcodes from somewhere or people would have to add them to tmdb

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AndyCap:

solexious: looks like they have a webservice, and saw an open source app on codeplex in the forum using that db

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meshe:

i plan on cataloging all of my dvds in tmdb's My Movies, maybe when I do so i'll keep track of the upc codes for future reverence

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solexious:

AndyCap, great stuff, will take a look

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solexious:

I'm thinking of keeping the title names as the file name but putting each file into a folder with its names as the upc

[17:12:56]

solexious:

s/names/name

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meshe:

you probably won't like the look of how that gets represented in mythvideo

[17:13:29]

AndyCap:

solexious: haha. no, doesn't look like it.

[17:13:34]

AndyCap:

http://wiki.mymovies.dk/Default.aspx?Page=Usi . . . kieSupport=1

[17:13:42]

AndyCap:

"Access to the WebService is not given for non-commercial purposes." :((

[17:15:19]

AndyCap:

I guess they don't want to get into the business of retailing access to end-users of an open source app

[17:16:02]

solexious:

What a pain

[17:16:28]

meshe:

it looks like you get get at the db after installing their software for non-commercial purposes though

[17:16:35]

solexious:

tmdb is giving me a rails error when I try to search it

[17:16:53]

AndyCap:

meshe: yeah, so you could index your movies there and export the data

[17:17:22]

AndyCap:

a little laborious, and would require a windows machine.

[17:17:44]

meshe:

might work in wine

[17:19:03]

iamlindoro:

with certain search terms and a couple of the films, TMDB has that Rails issue, the site admins are working to track it down

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solexious:

iamlindoro, Every search I try isnt working

[17:20:49]

iamlindoro:

It's entirely possible he's in the midst of maintenance right now

[17:21:07]

solexious:

Cool :)

[17:21:57]

iamlindoro:

Usually that's a very rare error. Site isn't perfect, but it's usually darn good

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sphery:

solexious: also, make sure you apply patches to tmdb.pl... At minimum, apply meshe's patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6421 (v4 patch), and if you have a bad network or you're running your own name server and don't feel like "priming" the name server (with "dig api.themoviedb.org"), apply the one at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6428 . Note that if you try to do both, there will be some conflicts, but they're ...

[17:57:02]

sphery:

... easy to fix.

[17:57:47]

sphery:

we really need to bribe one of the devs into applying meshe's patch for tmdb.pl...

[17:58:27]

** kormoc perks up **

[17:58:41]

meshe:

where's the "bribe with beer" button?

[17:59:02]

kormoc:

is it in the contrib section?

[17:59:44]

kormoc:

ahh, found i

[17:59:47]

kormoc:

t

[17:59:53]

sphery:

tmdb.pl is in mythvideo plugin (in scripts) in trunk. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6421 is the important patch

[17:59:57]

sphery:

mine is less important

[18:00:25]

sphery:

(only useful for improving error message for people when there are network issues--on their side or tmdb's)

[18:01:10]

sphery:

kormoc: just let me know how many 0's to put on the check this time--unless you want another blank one. :)

[18:01:39]

kormoc:

[20606]

[18:02:03]

sphery:

and if you're really bored/wanting to do some extra perl-script patches, feel free to do the 2 restore script patches :)

[18:02:21]

sphery:

thanks, kormoc ... That will make tmdb.pl /much/ more usable for the vast majority of users

[18:03:39]

sphery:

most important of the restore script patches: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6013 (.3 version) , but if you also want to do http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5975 , there's a combined version of the patch (without the combined version, there's a collision on updating the script version)

[18:04:05]

sphery:

mythtv-5975_and_6013-combined.patch is the combined patch and is on both tickets

[18:05:00]

** kormoc peers **

[18:06:00]

sphery:

#6013 is kind of important, too, because without it, if someone does a partial restore without plugin data, they'll corrupt the data in their DB (the same way the HOWTO's instructions for a new-hardware restore will corrupt their DB)

[18:06:27]

kormoc:

yay!

[18:06:29]

kormoc:

looks sane to me

[18:06:30]

sphery:

Fortunately, though, the corruption is relatively unimportant (won't really have too much of a negative effect)

[18:07:12]

kormoc:

[20607]

[18:07:18]

sphery:

if you were to do both as separate commits, it's easy enough to edit the patch to increment version numbers.

[18:07:24]

sphery:

wow... you're good

[18:07:32]

sphery:

I think I'll have to make it a blank check

[18:07:47]

sphery:

thanks a lot

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

You're welcome :)

[18:08:10]

meshe:

thanks kormoc :)

[18:08:18]

kormoc:

You're welcome :)

[18:08:24]

sphery:

now I'm going to have to write some more patches to get my "average outstanding patches" number back up

[18:08:36]

meshe:

on another topic, sweeeeet, adobe is working on the flash bug that annoys the hell out of me

[18:08:49]

sphery:

and thank you /very/ much meshe ... That patch is a /huge/ help to anyone using tmdb.pl

[18:08:58]

sphery:

which bug?

[18:09:03]

meshe:

you're welcome :)

[18:09:16]

meshe:

http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-902

[18:10:16]

sphery:

cool

[18:10:45]

meshe:

it's only taken 6 months for them to start

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meshe:

like i said before, if there's any problems with the perl code, send it my way

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kormoc:

So when there's a pile of zombied TMDB myth boxes out there, you'll share the computing power, right? ;)

[18:16:05]

meshe:

heh

[18:16:26]

meshe:

yeah, botnet.mythtv.org ;)

[18:16:41]

kormoc:

wooties!

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wagnerrp:

sphery: whats this about having to 'prime' the dns entry?

[18:31:23]

clever:

meshe: thats odd, i didnt know you could round-robin between 5k hosts

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meshe:

oh? is there a limit? I'll have to write my own dns server then

[18:32:17]

clever:

how will it all fit in 1 reply packet?

[18:32:21]

clever:

wont the client shat itself?

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Essobi:

lol

[18:32:31]

Essobi:

yes

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wagnerrp:

wrong verb tense

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AndyCap:

clever: tcp.

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AndyCap:

:P

[18:33:02]

clever:

just RR to a couple DHT seeds and let the DHT handle the rest

[18:33:19]

sphery:

wagnerrp: the tmdb name server takes forever to respond, so you often get a "quick timeout" due to the Perl lib's approach for name resolution

[18:34:10]

wagnerrp:

well that might explain why the first couple files come up blank for me

[18:34:17]

sphery:

so, unless the ip is already in your dns cache, you generally have to prime it--either by running tmdb.pl and letting it fail (with what's now a bad error message) or by forcing your name server to look it up

[18:34:48]

clever:

so the dns server itself is slow?

[18:35:04]

sphery:

in the mythvideo ui, you get a message like saying something about tmdb.xml does not exist

[18:35:17]

AndyCap:

so dnsmadeeasy.com should be renamed to dnsmadeslow.com? :P

[18:35:25]

meshe:

you don't need to rely upon the client to deal with RR, you can send it one IP in the response, just make it a random one

[18:35:29]

clever:

i use zoneedit myself

[18:35:53]

clever:

meshe: yeah that would work, but sending many(or atleast a few) helps with some stuff

[18:36:02]

clever:

meshe: like having the client cycle between them when retying

[18:37:06]

clever:

or with a dht type thing, the client may work better if it is given a list of ip's

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sphery:

AndyCap: actually, since the expiry for the api.themoviedb.org ip is 30mins, but it seems that you only tend to have a problem once per day, it may actually be the dnsmadeeasy name server lookups that are slow (they have an expiry of 24hrs)

[18:38:58]

sphery:

interesting... I hadn't paid that much attention to the record until you mentioned it

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clever:

it took 142ms just to lookup .org

[18:40:17]

clever:

and the servers for .org failed

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clever:

dig +trace api.themoviedb.org

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sphery:

hmmm... interesting. I don't know exactly where it's failing, but I've seen it fail that way.

[18:41:15]

clever:

. 392163 IN NS I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.

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clever:

;; Received 332 bytes from 10.0.0.3#53(10.0.0.3) in 11 ms

[18:41:43]

clever:

org. 172800 IN NS A0.ORG.AFILIAS-NST.INFO.

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clever:

;; Received 438 bytes from 192.36.148.17#53(I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) in 142 ms

[18:41:46]

clever:

;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

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clever:

though without +trace, it works instantly

[18:42:29]

clever:

;; Query time: 232 msec

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sphery:

for me--with my own caching-only name server--the first run (where everything was looked up--as proven by the TTL's) gave: ;; Query time: 2148 msec

[18:45:02]

sphery:

the second run gives: ;; Query time: 1 msec

[18:45:08]

sphery:

(obviously from cache)

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kormoc:

huh, first run 118 ms, second 0 ms

[18:45:47]

clever:

that 232 was without the cache

[18:45:58]

clever:

the next 2 runs gave 18 and 4 ms

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kormoc:

at home, first run 55 ms, second 0 ms

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sphery:

your name server?

[18:46:15]

clever:

its avgeraging 4–5 now

[18:46:25]

clever:

ive got a bind cache on my router

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clever:

which also serves the .localnet. domain

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sphery:

what about you, kormoc ?

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kormoc:

Aye, we're running bind locally here and at home I'm using a caching ns, and never looked up before

[18:46:50]

clever:

and its got a few fake things like .freenode.net. so i could redirect traffic to my proxy

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sphery:

interesting... Several users on here have seen similarly poor first-time lookups as I saw (in the multi-second range).

[18:48:03]

sphery:

wonder what's the difference...

[18:48:16]

sphery:

I'll admit that it's time for a bind upgrade on my system, but that won't happen for a bit

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clever:

i cant look it up at all without using my cache

[18:48:36]

clever:

dig going directly to the servers fails

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clever:

bbl

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sphery:

clever: to the dnsmadeeasy servers?

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sphery:

for me, I get 37 msec with: dig @ns0.dnsmadeeasy.com api.themoviedb.org

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sphery:

of course, that's /after/ having ns[0–4].dnsmadeeasy.com in my name server's cache

[18:51:54]

clever:

do each stage manualy, directly to the real server

[18:52:27]

sphery:

without ns0.dnsmadeeasy.com in my name server's cache, ;; Query time: 4368 msec

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sphery:

I'm believing AndyCap's theory, now... It's dnsmadeslow

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Spida:

if I can't schedule anything for recording, what is wrong?

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Dagmar:

Database is knackered

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Spida:

Table './mythconverg/recordmatch' is marked as crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed

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Spida:

seems so.

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Spida:

thx

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Dagmar:

i r sykik

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darkdrgn2k:

Hey guys, whats the best way to get a puter wired in with a LCD TV

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darkdrgn2k:

VGA or DVI?

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darkdrgn2k:

hey iamlindoro :)

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darkdrgn2k:

what do you say, whats better to wire into a TV VGA or DVI?

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AndyCap:

dvi.

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J-e-f-f-A:

composite. ;-)

[20:45:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

RF ;-)

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AndyCap:

RF!

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J-e-f-f-A:

beat ya!

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XLV:

darkdrgn2k, dvi ( cause with vga, you get two extra convertions of digital from/to analog )

[20:46:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

And DVI will usually automatically configure X for the native resolution of the display. ;-)

[20:47:42]

Supaplex:

darkdrgn2k: you finally upgraded from the wyse terminal? now I think they'll never make tv for serial console.

[20:48:18]

RyeBrye:

http://hdtvshakedown.com/home <-- something vizeo jut emailed me. So is ATSC not a free standard? TV makers have to license it – from whom?

[20:48:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Supaplex: He could always use mplayer with it's ansi support in a console... ;-)

[20:48:37]

Supaplex:

hummmmm yeah.

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AndyCap:

I don't really see aalib happening over 9600

[20:49:41]

meshe:

AndyCap: http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/dvdlist.htm

[20:49:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: Sure it can... just shrink the window to like 30x12 or so... ;-)

[20:51:15]

AndyCap:

J-e-f-f-A: hehe

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AndyCap:

meshe: excel? oh my. :)

[20:51:58]

meshe:

well, csv as well

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meshe:

mysqlimport will work with csv

[20:53:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: There was a tool on the Amiga to display a graphical picture in a shell window using ansi characters, and dropping the text line down one pixel at a time to get a high-res picture in the shell... pretty wild. ;-) I don't know if that was possible on any other platform...

[20:55:56]

meshe:

vlc or mplayer has an output for ascii/ansi characters

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: yeah, but they display just 80x24 (or whatever your shell size is) – this tool would display a bitmap image, at pixel resolution in a shell... only the 16 ansi colors iirc, and a bit slow, as it would draw a line of 80 (or whatever) characters, then advance 1 PIXEL, then do the same, until the whole picture was painted vertically. Pretty cool actually!

[20:59:31]

meshe:

sweet

[20:59:51]

meshe:

http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=74

[20:59:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

So the top pixels of each character is what would remain on the screen, forming the image. ;-) The other pixels would get overwritten with each successive line.

[20:59:58]

meshe:

caca is what it's called

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: Just looked on yewtoob for any examples of Amiga ANSI art.. .couldn't find any other than 'simple' caca type images... which are not the same.. :-(

[21:22:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: I'll have to fire up my Amiga at some point, and feed the video into a PVR-250 and post a video or two on youtube... ;-)

[21:26:22]

iamlindoro:

I have a pretty interesting video of some caca images, it involves two girls and a cup

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Dagmar:

No.

[21:26:36]

Dagmar:

Just... no.

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iamlindoro:

No, you'll like it, it's really interesting

[21:27:40]

iamlindoro:

make sure to take a video while you watch ;)

[21:27:53]

Dagmar:

Again, no.

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iamlindoro:

Some people have no sense of humor

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Dagmar:

...and nothing you can say will beat the elegance of the XKCD comic on that.

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darkdrgn2k:

Supaplex: naaa i was using an imaginary box before

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Dagmar:

PETA-approved Heisenberg testing?

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wagnerrp:

would that be a person in the box? because as far as PETA is concerned, people dont matter

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Dagmar:

They can't prove anything was done to the cat until it's opened, and good luck opening an imaginary box.

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Supaplex:

darkdrgn2k: and now you limit yourself to reality. pity. ;)

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darkdrgn2k:

Supaplex: yep..... i know......'

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darkdrgn2k:

Supaplex: but im leaving my intenret as 128 bit encrypted smoke signals

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Dagmar:

\For the record, the joke about Peta not throwing fake blood on black leather wearers because they know bikers will hit them in the face, while rich models won't, is verifiably true.

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jblack_:

Dagmar: Seems obvious to me...

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meshe:

wow, just wow, no thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

Hey, it's not my fault if you people can't appreciate two girls and dinnerware sharing something special

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CoreDump|cf-18:

iamlindoro: ewww

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meshe:

/clear

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CoreDump|cf-18:

you gotta admit that the videos of people who are watching the 2g1c video are pretty funny =)

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iamlindoro:

*damn* funny

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iamlindoro:

especially kermit

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iamlindoro:

And then kermit showing it to fozzy

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kormoc:

haven't seen that part

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: The Kermit the frog reaction video is the ultimate

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iamlindoro:

Some NSFW language, but nothing super obscene

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CoreDump|cf-18:

iamlindoro: got an URL?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugyrm4JU_8M

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Huijari:

when i saw 2g1c, the guy who pasted it warned that it contains partial nudity. yeah, that really was the worst part...

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laga:

even george clooney has seen it

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iamlindoro:

Heh, no nudity in the above, but lots of profane language

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CoreDump|cf-18:

iamlindoro: lol, good one thanks =)

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kormoc:

ooh? George clooney?

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kormoc:

I haven't seen it....

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iamlindoro:

CoreDump|cf-18: Heh, Love that one

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laga:

kormoc: then don't

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kormoc:

not planning to :)

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laga:

kormoc: http://www.esquire.com/features/george-cloone . . . 1-cup-0408-3

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iamlindoro:

Haha, clooney

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CoreDump|cf-18:

I was lucky enough to read the youtube comments of 2g1c before actually watching the vid itself

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CoreDump|cf-18:

because, some things can never be unseen hehe

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sid3windr:

well now you're missing out

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iamlindoro:

The wikipedia entry on it is enlightening

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iamlindoro:

unsurprisingly, the distributor was arrested for it, heh

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iamlindoro:

The US distributor, that is

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laga:

""It's scarring. It'll scar you forever." "

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laga:

yeah, took me about two weeks to forget about it..

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laga:

and i only saw a few seconds

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iamlindoro:

Apparently it's the trailer for a feature length adult film, heh

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kormoc:

laga, that's amusing

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Dagmar:

That's hilarious

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AndyCap:

Well, this all reminds me of cartman http://78.46.64.79/cartman-goodnight.avi and It's time to say goodnight. Incidentally, it was recorded by myth. :P

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pak0:

hi all people, good night

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pak0:

i just loss all my mythtv user and pass and database name

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pak0:

i only have restared the pc i dont know why

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pak0:

how can i recovery?

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pak0:

oh i remember now, i installed a updated before crash

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pak0:

omfg

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NavY-Seal:

hi to all ... what capture cards do u guys recomend ?

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