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[00:08:46] adante: gah
[00:09:00] adante: is there any way to change the pre-record and post-record times remotely
[00:09:18] adante: digging around mythconverg but a little lost at the moment
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[00:10:21] at0m|c: adante: like using mythweb ?
[00:12:16] adante: at0m|c: hmm, which setting am i looking for? nothing stands out
[00:13:56] iamlindoro: "Start Early", "end Late"
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[00:16:30] adante: where do i go to change the defaults?
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[00:18:28] iamlindoro: A frontend
[00:19:24] adante: dang, ok thanks
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[02:02:31] gratuit: hey I have a problem in that I just added a second tuner card, and now, from time to time, the second tuner card appears to be in a "fast forward" mode. IT may be skipping frames, which gives the jerky appearence of fast forwarding, any ideas on what this may be?
[02:03:09] wagnerrp: what kind of tuner?
[02:10:40] wagnerrp: ...
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[02:20:50] Jurian_Knight: got a noobish-question, in the frontend how do I exit the liveTV mode and get back to the main menu? hitting esc just exits the frontend...
[02:27:25] Dagmar: It shoudn;t.
[02:27:57] Dagmar: ESC should exit LiveTV and take you back to the menu. If you press it from the main menu it should ask you if you want to exit.
[02:28:06] jams: Jurian_Knight- pressing esc should bring you back to the menu. There might be one of two thing happening 1) the esc key is being sent more then once, thus leaving live-tv and then the 2nd one exits the frontend. 2) mythfrontend is just segfaulting.
[02:28:24] wagnerrp: the latter is probably whats going on
[02:28:36] Dagmar: I'm thinking either #2, or that he's not using the internal player
[02:28:48] Jurian_Knight: yeah, that's what i kinda figured. I can't find any evidence in the logs though...
[02:29:03] wagnerrp: i ended up making a crappy little wrapper script, that just automatically starts the frontend back up when it closes
[02:29:38] Jurian_Knight: in a nutshell it appears my frontend is crashing everytime i try to exit the main menu...
[02:29:58] jams: Jurian_Knight- if you start mythfrontend from an xterm you would be able to see the exit status
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[02:30:33] Jurian_Knight: i'm rebooting the box, and i'll give that a shot
[02:33:30] Jurian_Knight: ok, rebooting helped. but somehow i lost lirc... bleh thanks for the help
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[02:47:30] Essobi: can you do software mpeg4 with bttv cards?
[02:48:07] wagnerrp: you can do mpeg4asp and rtjpeg
[02:48:35] Essobi: mythtv-setup?
[02:54:06] Jurian_Knight: thanks guys
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[02:54:36] wagnerrp: Essobi: you go into the recording settings in the frontend
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[03:07:40] Essobi: thanks
[03:08:00] wagnerrp: make that recording profiles
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[03:25:08] Essobi: wagnerrp: Nice.. streaming over HTTP with seeking works with mpeg4asp
[03:25:12] Essobi: :)
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[03:26:47] Essobi: wagnerrp: Any chance the commercial cut list is in the nuppel container?
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[04:34:57] wagnerrp: nope, if you want to remove commercials in something other than mythtv, you have to physically remove the commercials through transcoding
[04:40:08] wagnerrp: you can script that to happen automatically... but you really dont want to do that
[04:40:45] clever: yeah, my flagging is all over the place sometimes
[04:40:56] clever: i prefer to fine tune the cutlist and then cut it appart
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[04:52:57] wagnerrp: thats something im attempting (and failling) at the moment
[04:53:15] wagnerrp: it seems everything i want to clip and save gets put on one drive (out of three)
[04:53:55] wagnerrp: editing the cutlist while one is being transcoded isnt all that bad
[04:53:56] tank-man: Essobi, I believe you can get the skip/cut list with mythcommflag with --getskiplist or --getcutlist option
[04:54:18] wagnerrp: but when its done transcoding, and passes back through to regenerate the cutlist....
[04:54:44] wagnerrp: the thing cranks away at ~80MB/s, and i cant get a bit of IO in for interactive tasks
[04:55:15] wagnerrp: Essobi, tank-man: as mentioned, you *can* script it to copy the commlist to the cutlist, and transcode automatically
[04:55:21] wagnerrp: but you REALLY dont want to do that
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[05:06:25] Pontiac: When I'm trying to do a PEOPLE SEARCH when doing a schedule, the "FIND DATE & TIME OPTIONS" I'm not quite understanding. Is the "Find Day" field mean that it only searches on the day specified, or is that the start date until Saturday?
[05:07:23] Pontiac: If that were to be setup to search just on that day, that would mean I would have to make 7 different searches for this person?
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[05:20:27] FengShui: I've just setup a new MythTV box, and I'm getting black spots in bright white areas. There's mention of this being a problem with the denoise3d filter in 2004, but it's supposedly been fixed since then. Any ideas?
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[05:27:48] dibbz: i;ve written a script to export the bouquets from my dreambox into both channel changing scripts and m3u files
[05:28:08] dibbz: however im having difficulty doing the m3u import
[05:28:41] dibbz: as the dreambox is a http stream
[05:31:11] dibbz: typically all the dreambox material on the net is using a tuner device, but i'm wanting to make it record the http streams
[05:32:05] dibbz: i've chosen network capture device, provided a local m3u that has the channel numbers, and the same url for the stream as it nevre changes for each entry
[05:32:25] dibbz: i had to insert the channel changing script into the database as there is no context in mythtv-setup
[05:32:39] dibbz: i'm figuring this is becuase they are http:// linksin the m3u file
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[06:27:33] Iowahc_: hy there!
[06:28:21] Iowahc_: got my mythtv working, finally, but when I watch live tv, the sound and video is playing on double speed!, whats the problem?
[06:30:08] dibbz: how can live tv play double speed? :)
[06:31:38] Iowahc_: don't know ^^ I read that it has something to do with the audio sample rate, but changing it has no effect
[06:32:37] dibbz: yeh
[06:33:12] clever: Iowahc_: try restarting mythbackend after you change it
[06:33:20] Iowahc_: done it
[06:33:26] clever: i had a similar problem with one of my crappy audio cards
[06:33:28] Iowahc_: doesnt work
[06:33:38] clever: it could only run at 1 sample rate at once
[06:33:39] RyeBrye: you can play livetv doublespeed if you approach the earth going the speed of light
[06:33:48] clever: if i play AND record at DIFFERENT rates, it screwed up
[06:33:49] Iowahc_: :D
[06:33:49] dibbz: just tell me next week lotto numbers
[06:34:09] dibbz: try audio @ 48khz
[06:34:19] Iowahc_: tried it
[06:34:30] Iowahc_: u mean in mythtv-setup?
[06:34:49] clever: try it in the recording profiles in mythfrontend
[06:34:55] clever: the capture profiles
[06:35:16] dibbz: unless its an alsa thing
[06:36:08] dibbz: im suspecting its your sound card if your capture settings are not fixing it
[06:36:27] dibbz: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digital_Sound
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[06:37:06] clever: analog or digital card?
[06:37:30] Iowahc_: tv or audio?
[06:37:37] clever: the tv capture card
[06:37:41] Iowahc_: analog
[06:37:46] clever: ivtv?
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[06:38:32] Iowahc_: ?
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[06:38:38] Iowahc_: what do you mean clever
[06:38:43] clever: what capture card
[06:39:20] Iowahc_: don't know ^^, wait a moment, just lshw it
[06:40:05] Iowahc_: Phillips Semiconductors : SAA7131 Video Broadcast Decoder
[06:40:22] clever: no idea what that is
[06:40:46] Iowahc_: it was built in
[06:40:53] Iowahc_: came with my pc
[06:41:00] clever: nice
[06:42:27] clever: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/AVerTV_HD_A180
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[07:00:13] Iowahc_: clever: thanx :D
[07:00:23] Iowahc_: played around with mythfrontend
[07:00:31] Iowahc_: changed to 32k
[07:00:35] Iowahc_: now its working perfect
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[07:05:39] dibbz: niceone
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[10:55:00] lyricnz: What's the most-common cause of bad sync when playing back mythfe?
[10:55:09] lyricnz: Pause/unpause fixes it, but kindof a drag
[10:55:46] lyricnz: 0.22 r20448
[10:55:57] stuarta: if you find out, let us know so we can fix it
[10:56:44] lyricnz: still broken?
[10:56:55] lyricnz: was fine on 0.21 a month or two ago on same system
[10:57:05] lyricnz: Teach me to upgrade, heh
[10:57:22] stuarta: nobody is entirely sure why it does it
[10:57:30] lyricnz: Updating to r20488 now...
[10:57:34] stuarta: it's been seen on 0.21 iirc
[10:59:29] messerting: I'm having problems on my mythtv FE/BE box: When I play video, all I get is a black screen, but sound is working. It is probably related to the Intel gfx driver
[10:59:45] messerting: I am able to play stuff with mplayer
[11:00:06] messerting: Wasn't there some discussion about xv port etc some time back? anyone got a link?
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[11:25:58] dibbz: hm
[11:26:15] dibbz: ok i i have a udp multicast and i would lke to add this as a network stream
[11:26:24] dibbz: howveer i get no lock
[11:28:31] bidossessi: troubleshooting webcam as input source (hp dv6000). it gets detected by the setup procedure, but i always get "Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed" in the logs. any pointers welcome
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[11:59:07] yacc_: Anyone using MythTV with IPTV?
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[12:08:28] dibbz: im trying to :P
[12:09:04] honk: I'd love to :/
[12:09:11] dibbz: i have a dreambox
[12:09:31] dibbz: i can multicast the web stream to vlc no worries
[12:09:39] dibbz: echo "GET /" | nc 192.168.0.2 31344 | emcast 239.1.2.3:5000
[12:09:43] dibbz: like so
[12:10:03] dibbz: made the m3u file
[12:10:18] FR^2: hmm. interesting idea.
[12:10:48] dibbz: #EXTM3U
[12:10:48] dibbz: #EXTINF:0,2200 – Animal Planet
[12:10:49] dibbz: udp://239.1.2.3:5000
[12:11:00] dibbz: i have some php to extract the bouquets and generate teh channel change script
[12:11:07] dibbz: and the m3u
[12:11:31] dibbz: i just need the damn thing to lock onto the stream :)
[12:13:24] dibbz: 2009-05–20 22:10:53.372 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket):
[12:13:25] dibbz: Could not connect to server "" @ port -1
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[13:01:08] Essobi: Morning.
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[14:01:02] yacc_: dibbz, well, according to the web it should work for AonTV (Austrian IPTV), but I wondered how people use it ;)
[14:01:34] yacc_: dibbz, e.g. wondering what to use as a frontend => MediaMVPs seem to be a feasible idea.
[14:01:52] yacc_: dibbz, furthermore I wondered if anyone has managed to use it for PayPerView offers ;)
[14:02:06] yacc_: dibbz, these are not multicasted, AFAIK ;)
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[15:12:17] media: Hello
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[15:13:02] IrishTeabag: Anyone there?
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[15:17:44] CyberKnet: 197 people in a room, and they ask "Anyone there?"
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[15:19:59] FR^2: Well, I wasn't quick enough, otherwise I would have explained that everyone dropped dead some minutes ago...
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[15:31:46] gumpert345: I read this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 2api;#382580 is it correct, that there is a patch for s2api support by now`?
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[15:33:38] cityLights1: hi all, I got an odd question: how can I tell what trunk version fixed an oddty, when the comment doesnt
[15:33:40] cityLights1: say so
[15:35:04] cityLights1: my problem with the trunk version is that when I run the frontend with geometry
[15:35:18] cityLights1: and I move the focus the display turned to black
[15:35:29] cityLights1: this issue seems fix, yet no comment says so
[15:36:19] cityLights1: no commit since the last week (previus version I had the issue in) has foucus in it
[15:37:49] stuarta: cityLights1: it was a recent commit
[15:37:59] stuarta: one of the last 20 or so
[15:38:16] cityLights1: thanks, I ask as this issue is not 100% fixed
[15:38:38] cityLights1: should I seek the word focus in the commit comment?
[15:38:57] cityLights1: I didnt report it as I didnt know how to report it
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[15:42:52] CyberKnet: What hardware devices are people liking for playback lately? ala WD TV, Media MVP, etc ... pre-built devices that can be repurposed as a nice frontend...
[15:46:11] mzb: mac mini? ... new Acer net-top looks nice ;)
[15:48:53] CyberKnet: Is there any real info out about that net-top though, or just guesses and photoshopped ads?
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[15:50:50] schlazor: CyberKnet: what kind of info?
[15:51:50] mzb: iirc it's on sale in the UK (by now). Seem to recall info on Acer's website.
[15:52:22] mzb: Linux version looked fine to me :) (if I was allowed to spend $ on a new toy;)
[15:52:45] CyberKnet: Oh. I must have missed that somehow. Googling was showing lots of "Acer is planning to" and "Here's a leaked powerpoint slide"
[15:55:15] wagnerrp: looks like its time to re-up with SD
[15:56:04] wagnerrp: gumpert345: there was a patch for s2api support
[15:56:19] wagnerrp: but apparently trunk as changed enough that the patch no longer applies
[15:56:43] gumpert345: the revo is said to be strong enough even for blu ray decryption (I think it was anandtech, which tested it)
[15:57:16] gumpert345: wagnerrp how can I check what version of mythtv runs on my backend?
[15:59:00] wagnerrp: '<any executable> --version'
[15:59:15] wagnerrp: but it doesnt matter what youre running
[15:59:30] wagnerrp: because in order to use the patch, youre going to have to download source and build a new copy
[15:59:44] gumpert345: oh
[16:00:08] gumpert345: I thought it was like download/make/make install and thats it
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[16:00:48] wagnerrp: well its more 'cvn co/patch -t < patchfile/configure/make/install'
[16:01:34] wagnerrp: but unless you want to check out an old revision of trunk, theres going to be a fair bit of coding to update the patch to something that works
[16:02:05] gumpert345: I'm not experienced for something like this
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[16:07:23] J-e-f-f-A: cvn? Is that a cross between CVS and SubVersion?  ;-)
[16:08:08] FR^2: a new drug.
[16:08:59] FR^2: you take it, and you lay down for about 48 hours and can't move, are totally alive and fit and you would like to dance.
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[16:11:00] CyberKnet: mzb: That Acer Revo does look very interesting.
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[16:44:48] zablalbaz: has anyone here played around with Fedora 11 beta and if so, what repos did you use to install mythtv with?
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[16:48:18] CyberKnet: Too bad I can't find that AspireRevo for sale here in the USA
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[16:52:36] gumpert345: CyberKnet, though it lacks a case and some features you may want to have a look at this: "Zotac ION ITX A"
[16:52:50] CyberKnet: Yeah, saw that guy
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[17:00:28] janeNarak: Read Failed: Value too large for defined data type
[17:00:29] janeNarak: May 21 06:38:04.714 RINGBUF: Buffer is full, waiting for decode on 3760 bytes
[17:00:29] janeNarak: May 21 06:38:04.714 CSA: buf: 0xb7a3305c rd: 0xb7a3943c csa: 0xb7a3943c wr: 0xb7a39380 end: 0xb7c1b560
[17:00:56] janeNarak: i cannot open more then 3 channel with opensasc-ng
[17:03:40] GreyFoxx: We do not support nor help with sasc related here
[17:04:09] janeNarak: GreyFoxx, can i find irc channel for support sasc?
[17:04:21] GreyFoxx: No idea
[17:05:15] janeNarak: thank
[17:05:28] GreyFoxx: Np :)
[17:06:47] iamlindoro: Udo is illiterate
[17:07:09] iamlindoro: And yes, I realize there's a language barrier present, but his logic gaps are astounding
[17:07:30] AndyCap: who?
[17:07:50] CyberKnet: Udo
[17:07:51] CyberKnet: :P
[17:07:52] GreyFoxx: It's not language
[17:07:54] GreyFoxx: It's personality
[17:08:18] AndyCap: this guy? http://www.udoerasmus.com/index_main.htm
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[17:11:42] janneg: AndyCap: I doubt that
[17:12:32] janneg: Udo van den Heuvel
[17:13:28] AndyCap: achaa
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[17:22:49] sphery: iamlindoro: so, there's a logic gap when you take the idea, "though there do seem to be small memory leaks, they do not appear large enough to cause any issues even over long periods of uptime," to mean that "mythbackend eats memory?"
[17:23:15] iamlindoro: Mythbackend is a harsh mistress, and he MUST BE FED
[17:23:18] iamlindoro: s/he/she/
[17:24:39] iamlindoro: sphery: Did you know I only complain about softcam discussions because I'm jealous?
[17:24:41] sphery: If not for the power outage 2 days ago, I could have gotten a 2+ month uptime memory usage
[17:24:42] iamlindoro: I just learned that
[17:24:48] sphery: It seems that's true.
[17:24:50] iamlindoro: you know, from my favorite person
[17:24:58] sphery: Yeah. I replied.
[17:25:04] iamlindoro: Yeah, saw, thanks :)
[17:25:07] sphery: Not much, but the thread couldn't end with his.
[17:25:36] iamlindoro: I'm sick of people doing stuff they *know* to be off-limits because they know there's no enforcement
[17:25:59] iamlindoro: I'll take the OP at his word that he didn't know, but that would be the exception, not the rule
[17:26:35] sphery: yeah...
[17:26:45] Dibblah: Enforcement... On the internet?
[17:27:07] Dibblah: ICBMOIP?
[17:27:29] sphery: but someone who's been on the list and seen the rule--and has replied several times with similar, "it might not be illegal where he lives," statements--should have figured it out
[17:27:29] iamlindoro: Dibblah: Well, on the users list-- can't account for what people do on their own systems, but the users list is a controllable environment... it's just that nobody does so
[17:27:48] sphery: The French are accounting for what people do on their own systems, now!
[17:28:27] iamlindoro: sphery: Likewise (though less serious) with the top/bottom post rule-- the same crowd *always* jumps in and complains about it (while top posting) because they know nobody is going to stop them from breaking the rules
[17:29:01] iamlindoro: "I think it's time we reevaluated this archaic rule", Allen Edwards, every. single. time.
[17:29:13] sphery: we need a nice scanner on the list that bounces any top-posted messages or messages in HTML
[17:29:31] sphery: then, if people want their post to go through, they'd have to follow the rules
[17:29:56] ** jams doesn't mind top or bottom posting, but html should be denied. **
[17:29:57] sphery: (and, perhaps even scanning for multiple list sigs)
[17:30:25] sphery: top posting only bugs me when you have the multiple levels in both top- and bottom- posting mixed together
[17:30:49] jams: i prefer bottom posting, but outlook has trained me not to care =)
[17:30:50] sphery: therefore, it makes sense to have a single way of replying--just like we have a specific side of the road specified for driving
[17:33:35] iamlindoro: ohyay, MOAR UDO
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[17:34:38] ** sphery needs to start calling iamlindoro biff **
[17:34:53] iamlindoro: Tannen?
[17:35:23] iamlindoro: Should I tell Udo to make like a tree, and get outta here?
[17:35:35] gbee: aww, Unit's been dropped, can't be for cost reasons it was so low budget to start with
[17:35:36] iamlindoro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biff_Tannen
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[17:36:49] AndyCap: Biff Loman?
[17:36:57] RyeBrye: Can vdpau handle compositing a ton of videos together at once? Like if you wanted to make a "recordings" screen that was a big grid playing back all the previews at once... :) (the video wall!)
[17:37:15] iamlindoro: VDPAU is only capable of decoding a single stream ATM
[17:37:27] RyeBrye: Well that just burst my bubble
[17:37:35] sphery: I actually meant this biff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biff
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[17:39:15] iamlindoro: My Biff can beat up your Biff
[17:40:46] dustybin: iamlindoro: grow up
[17:45:11] janneg: I don't think bottom posting is any better than top posting if the people don't trim the quotes and quote only relevant parts
[17:45:42] janneg: and the mailing list footer counts hardly as relevant iamlindoro
[17:46:09] iamlindoro: janneg: Sorry, what?
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[17:48:41] janneg: iamlindoro: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1428979
[17:48:48] RyeBrye: no humor allowed!
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[17:49:11] iamlindoro: janneg: So you're upset that I quoted 22 lines?
[17:49:43] iamlindoro: Or are you just looking for a reason to find fault with me?
[17:51:38] ** Dibblah prefers trimming too, however, the ML doesn't help itsself. **
[17:51:58] Dibblah: At least for the footer, it SHOULD be delineated by --
[17:52:39] Dibblah: iamlindoro: On the plus side, janneg's mailfilter considers you definitely not spam :)
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[17:53:00] iamlindoro: I *do* trim posts, see the rest of the thread-- I looked at the length of the quote and deemed it unnecessary given it was ~20 lines
[17:53:03] sphery: yeah, for some reason many clients don't see "-----" (and so on) as the start of a sig... true, it's not the official — , but...
[17:53:27] janneg: it's just a recent example of improper quoting and if you had trimmed the the last 6 lines I could have seen your answer without scrolling
[17:54:29] janneg: only reason I picked that post is that I've read it immidiately after the ml rules discusion here
[17:54:39] iamlindoro: It was 20 lines. Hardly an offense
[17:55:20] iamlindoro: Did not, and still do not see a point in trimming something so short.
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[17:56:30] RyeBrye: soem thread on the -users list?
[17:56:31] janneg: iamlindoro: it's just noise
[17:56:38] iamlindoro: So is the complaint
[17:57:39] iamlindoro: Anyway, as always no good deed goes unpunished around here
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[18:00:09] janneg: Dibblah: that seems to be a mailman FAIL
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[18:03:11] janneg: Dibblah: well, it is a feature MUAs start the search for the signature delimiter from the end of the message
[18:04:08] janneg: if the ml footer uses the signature deliminter the real signature will remain intact
[18:09:10] RyeBrye: anyone seen dead penguin? It's yet another media center app – primarily one guy doing it for fun it seems – but I like the menu overlays he does with GL http://www.deadpenguin.tv/Dead_Penguin/Main_Page.html
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[18:09:36] RyeBrye: He's got a video example under "Status"
[18:21:45] GreyFoxx: That looks nifty :)
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[18:22:13] sphery: janneg: that's too bad that some do it that way. T-bird scans from the top, but only uses the proper delimiter "\n-- \n" (and requires the space)--and it cuts off from the top-most sig delimiter (which could never be in a quoted part because it requires "\n-- \n", so the quotation would "break" the sig).
[18:22:50] wagnerrp: Ryebrye: if you want multiple simultaneous videos, you could always learn CUDA, and submit patches to ffmpeg
[18:23:58] wagnerrp: and theres always been those demos of the cell daughtercard playing some 48 simultaneous mpeg2 streams in a video wall
[18:24:20] sphery: I think nvidia plans to enable multiple simultaneous decode (on hardware that can handle it) in the VDPAU drivers, eventually.
[18:24:42] wagnerrp: i thought the hardware itself could only actually manage two simultaneous streams
[18:25:12] sphery: yeah, was just saying that I'm sure it won't decode very many at once
[18:25:34] sphery: (was typing it when your message came back )
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[18:46:11] wagnerrp: hahaha
[18:46:58] wagnerrp: in response to the ION, Intel's next generation of Atom, the Pineview, will have the memory controller and graphics chipset integrated into the CPU package
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[18:50:36] cipher42: anyone know when myth will support the hauppage 1800?
[18:50:42] cipher42: analog
[18:50:51] iamlindoro: When the driver bug gets fixed
[18:51:03] wagnerrp: i thought the drivers worked just fine
[18:51:03] cipher42: anyidea when that'll be?
[18:51:15] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: It was recently proven otherwise
[18:51:15] cipher42: nah something is screwy
[18:51:32] iamlindoro: You should ask in #linuxtv, it's out of Myth's hands
[18:51:32] sphery: go paulh... nice response to Udo.
[18:51:33] cipher42: digital i fine i think, but analog is a mess
[18:51:51] wagnerrp: well then... the drivers have to get fixed, AND mythtv has to add support for it
[18:51:52] cipher42: you guyz seem to know alot more than them
[18:52:00] iamlindoro: We don't write the drivers, they do
[18:52:19] iamlindoro: it's a driver issue, so you have to ask the people writing the driver
[18:52:28] wagnerrp: didnt one of the myth devs do the hdpvr driver?
[18:52:35] iamlindoro: yes
[18:52:43] iamlindoro: janne
[18:52:53] wagnerrp: but... we dont do drivers
[18:53:21] iamlindoro: "we" as MythTV do not
[18:53:25] iamlindoro: if one person does, fine
[18:53:34] iamlindoro: you know what, enjoy yourself, wagnerrp, know yourself out
[18:53:37] iamlindoro: knock
[18:53:44] wagnerrp: :P
[18:53:46] iamlindoro: So "when will myth support the HVR-1800, then?"
[18:54:12] cipher42: right
[18:54:25] iamlindoro: Except WHOOPS, it's still not a matter of myth supporting it
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[18:54:58] iamlindoro: So again, It'll support it when the driver gets fixed
[18:55:14] wagnerrp: i thought special support would have to be added since it was a non-ivtv mpeg encoder
[18:55:14] cipher42: i swear irc people are freakin angry 24/7
[18:55:25] wagnerrp: or did that end up being related to the driver bug?
[18:55:27] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: For the second time, that was recently disproven
[18:55:31] wagnerrp: ah
[18:55:41] iamlindoro: I swear people on IRC don't listen 24/7
[18:55:47] cipher42: hahaha
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[19:28:09] iamlindoro: The Moblin 2.0 interface looks like a great way to use a netbook
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[20:09:21] schlazor: iamlindoro: from moblin.org "The new user experience and core applications were developed using the Clutter animation framework, leveraging heavily from GL and the physics engine." too bad about that crap intel graphics in my msi wind
[20:10:00] iamlindoro: schlazor: AFAIK almost any device running moblin should still be Intel graphics (not counting the only-just-now-available ION stuff)
[20:10:12] iamlindoro: So I'd reckon they're targeting intel GPUs
[20:10:36] schlazor: iamlindoro: yes and i'm sure it works fine, i just wish the intel GPU were 20% better
[20:11:07] iamlindoro: Bet it'll be pretty nice on an ION lappy
[20:11:23] schlazor: iamlindoro: yeah maybe i should sell the wind ;)
[20:11:58] ** CyberKnet is reminded again about the Acer AspireRevo **
[20:12:39] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: I'd pass on the revo
[20:12:41] schlazor: if only the intel chip was able to playback 1080i/720p us broadcast mpeg2
[20:12:54] iamlindoro: It's going to be probably the only single-core ION out there
[20:13:03] jpabq: Western Digital 2TB drive for DVRs: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15193
[20:13:27] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: every other announced ION box is dual core, which gives them a glimmer of hope of doing decent decode of non-VDPAU compliant stuff down the road
[20:14:22] schlazor: iamlindoro: i'd rather they shoved a low end celeron (1.86 ghzish) into the nettops and leave the atoms for the netbooks
[20:14:43] schlazor: but they're different chipsets so there wouldn't be the cost savings i suppose
[20:15:36] schlazor: sure the atom is low powered enough i'd be ok leaving it on all the time, but its only good for a frontend so why would i leave it on all the time
[20:15:50] CyberKnet: iamlindoro: Hmmm... I suppose any nettop device would be OK.. the Revo had nice input and output combination with a good form factor though. Hopefully another device pops up like it.
[20:16:00] CyberKnet: wouldn't want a netbook device though.
[20:16:18] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: The Revo has pretty much the ION reference I/O, you should expect it to be par for the course
[20:16:41] CyberKnet: iamlindoro: that would be fine then. I hadn't seen a nettop before.
[20:16:53] CyberKnet: I also hadn't heard about ION before today either though, so that's not that surprising.
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[20:17:08] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: See http://www.ionbased.com/ and http://www.ionbased.com/2009/05/tons-of-new-i . . . ps-pictured/ for more info
[20:17:23] iamlindoro: Disregard the ugliness as those are engineering prototypes, mostly
[20:17:28] schlazor: iamlindoro: has there been any hard release dates for anything in the US?
[20:17:34] iamlindoro: But the I/O is pretty much standard
[20:17:39] sphery: heyheyhey: this channel is a better place to ask about making a backtrace... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging and http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2
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[20:17:57] iamlindoro: schlazor: For which? The Zotac ION board is available, the Acer is out in the UK but not in the US yet last I heard
[20:18:14] sphery: heyheyhey: and feel free to put some info in the package-based installs part if you're using packages for Fedora/Ubuntu/Gentoo (ebuilds)/other
[20:18:14] iamlindoro: schlazor: I'd wager in 60 days or so you'll be able to choose from a dozen or so devices
[20:18:19] schlazor: iamlindoro: oh the zotac is available? didn't realize.
[20:18:24] iamlindoro: schlazor: yeah
[20:18:24] CyberKnet: I suppose wait six months, and I might see more ION nettops
[20:18:40] CyberKnet: the ION nettops seem like perfect frontends.
[20:18:53] CyberKnet: nice amount of processing power, good graphics, and small form factor.
[20:19:12] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: You'll want a dual core, though, the processing power isn't as decent as you think
[20:19:23] CyberKnet: iamlindoro: I hadn't considered that.
[20:19:42] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: The unfortunate case is that VDPAU really dislikes slightly broken streams, which are quite common in broadcast
[20:19:43] schlazor: CyberKnet: yeah, as the owner of a netbook, its a pretty sad machine if there's any math involved in whatever you're doing
[20:20:14] CyberKnet: Aah.
[20:20:16] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: It works fantastically when it works, and when it goes bad, it goes bad in style-- and if the processor it falls back to can't play it, you've painted yourself into a corner
[20:20:53] CyberKnet: Is that a result of the chosen architecture, or just something they are working on fixing?
[20:21:11] iamlindoro: That said, I'm not trying to sway you one way or another, I may well buy an ION device myself, I just wouldn't want to count on it as I've seen VDPAU fail miserably-- I think there's a bright future for multi-core ION when the ffmpeg-mt stuff gets done, though
[20:21:50] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: The hardware in the GPUs is designed for "controlled" sources like Blu ray, not really designed for "less compliant" sources
[20:21:55] CyberKnet: iamlindoro: only a fool ignores the advice of someone wiser in an area of knowledge than he...
[20:22:34] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: Don't get me wrong, I am definitely interested in low power, quiet frontends, and I think that there's hope for the boxes, just worth knowing what you're getting in to
[20:22:42] CyberKnet: yes.
[20:22:47] CyberKnet: Fate favors the informed buyer.
[20:23:02] ** kormoc thinks CyberKnet read a zen quote book recently **
[20:23:14] CyberKnet: I could see how you would think that.
[20:23:21] stuarta: badgers favour the fish that go moo
[20:23:27] CyberKnet: Consider though: Even the fool is considered wise when he closes his mouth.
[20:23:32] CyberKnet: :P"
[20:24:01] ** schlazor wonders if the onboard audio digital outputs are alsa supported on the zotac board **
[20:24:51] iamlindoro: schlazor: Every ION board *should* be ALSA supported
[20:25:00] schlazor: iamlindoro: good to know
[20:25:09] iamlindoro: schlazor: since the audio is provided by the 9400+chipset, which is definitely supported
[20:25:10] schlazor: iamlindoro: i've just never had much luck with onboard audio
[20:25:19] schlazor: iamlindoro: ah, sure, makes sense
[20:25:43] iamlindoro: schlazor: Mind you, some manufacturer could do some wild wacky thing, but in theory it should be supported (I have a motherboard w/ the GPU from ION, works great, including HDMI audio)
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[20:26:05] schlazor: iamlindoro: i have quite a collection of emu10k1 cards because of that
[20:26:12] schlazor: iamlindoro: fabulous
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[20:34:02] iamlindoro: I think I could see myself doing an ion box for the kitchen system, since it would only see very incidental use, and if it fails on something, easy enough to move to the living room
[20:34:51] iamlindoro: But right now I've got the Dell Studio Hybrid which works nicely for that purpose, just haven't gotten around to doing anything about it
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[20:35:52] CyberKnet: I'm hoping these nettops will be a lot cheaper than the Dell Studio Hybrids though.
[20:36:09] CyberKnet: Does the Studio Hybrid have intel integrated graphics?
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[20:36:26] iamlindoro: Yep, X3100
[20:36:37] CyberKnet: Do you watch HD content on it?
[20:37:05] iamlindoro: Yes, works fine for most things
[20:37:13] CyberKnet: some things it does not?
[20:37:39] iamlindoro: Works fine with US broadcast material, and most HD-PVR captures. Requires some slight massaging for Blu ray content, but mostly plays that too
[20:38:01] iamlindoro: Highest bitrate HD-PVR stuff, and some Blu ray stuff gives it trouble
[20:38:18] iamlindoro: That said, since it's primarily for watching TV, it does that like a champ
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[20:50:10] iamlindoro: Hm. Slysoft is writing a Blu ray player software (something simple, ignores HDCP, does 8 channel PCM playback without the "protected path", etc.), but the interesting kicker is that they plan a Mac OS X and Linux port
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[20:54:08] CyberKnet: that's interesting.
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[21:04:53] stoth: iamlindoro: Interesting.
[21:06:31] iamlindoro: I'm fairly satisfied with the way trunk is handling my BR stuff right now, and confident that most issues will be resolved in the next few ffmpeg syncs, but a Mac OS Bluray player is neat, not to mention I trust SlySoft to write decent Windows software, too
[21:07:02] jams: haha requirements for alpha testing "Don't expect anything. Don't demand anything. Don't suggest anything."
[21:07:03] iamlindoro: plus, it would be the first (proposed) linux solution capable of all the blu ray interactive content
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[21:07:36] mythbox1: Does anyone have MythStreamTV knowledge?
[21:09:53] sphery: you mean MythStreamTV or MythStream?
[21:10:16] sphery: I thought the former was dead and the latter is usable, but often causes frontent segfaults on plugin exit
[21:10:19] mythbox1: mythstreamtv
[21:10:46] sphery: I'm pretty sure that hasn't been in use since (at the latest) the 0.20 days (possibly even 0.18 or so)
[21:10:47] mythbox1: It installed just fine, just doesn't work =/
[21:10:54] mythbox1: hmm
[21:11:14] sphery: Though I'll admit that I don't know anything about it and have never used it.
[21:12:15] zablalbaz: has anyone here ever seen myth-setup hang when trying to exit out and save settings?
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[21:12:44] mythbox1: +sphery: I think its an issue with VLC...
[21:14:00] Dibblah: Hmm. Has anyone tried livetv with current trunk?
[21:14:07] Dibblah: It seems rather broken.
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[21:14:50] janneg: Dibblah: how current?
[21:14:55] mythbox1: has there been any news on when the next release is coming out? will it be .22?
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[21:15:13] Dibblah: 20436
[21:15:16] IrishTeabag: Hello
[21:15:17] Dibblah: So not very.
[21:16:12] janneg: Dibblah: 20558 works here
[21:16:24] stuarta: Dibblah: livetv is quite poorly atm imho
[21:16:32] IrishTeabag: Is this the palce i can ask noob questions
[21:16:39] IrishTeabag: place*
[21:16:41] Dibblah: (Initial launch of livetv gives nothing until channel change, then the channel change is out of sync...)
[21:17:06] iamlindoro: Used 20596 for a few hours of live last night, but I have also seen substantial player problems of late (mostly segfaults)
[21:17:08] Dibblah: ie it only (almost) catches up on the channel change after the next one has happened.
[21:17:35] Dibblah: Absolutely fine if it's a recording.
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[21:18:22] stuarta: oh boo hiss, the discovery channel on freeview (aka quest) launch has been suspended
[21:18:32] mythbox1: what is ur question IrishTeabag?
[21:18:56] IrishTeabag: I was wondering how to add media Folders?
[21:19:20] mythbox1: for your movies, music etc?
[21:19:30] IrishTeabag: yes
[21:19:40] mythbox1: you want to be able to see them in mythtv?
[21:19:56] IrishTeabag: ye
[21:20:10] IrishTeabag: sorry if its a very noob question
[21:20:15] mythbox1: you need to place them in the /storage/videos and /storage/music folders
[21:20:25] mythbox1: that is where mythtv will see them
[21:20:25] iamlindoro: erm, not exactly
[21:20:37] iamlindoro: IrishTeabag: Each plugin has a setting for where it's media is homed
[21:20:37] mythbox1: *
[21:20:45] mythbox1: i was about to say that, thanks
[21:20:54] iamlindoro: IrishTeabag: For example, Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->General
[21:21:01] IrishTeabag: Ok thanks lads,go raibh maith agat :)
[21:21:04] mythbox1: I use the mythdora distro, so thats where mine is
[21:21:08] iamlindoro: IrishTeabag: is where you can set the directories which contain MythVideo content...
[21:21:42] iamlindoro: IrishTeabag: Change the above directions to "Music Settings" to find the setting for Music, etc.
[21:21:59] IrishTeabag: K cool thasnks
[21:22:02] IrishTeabag: thanks*
[21:22:17] iamlindoro: IrishTeabag: Note that each of those will require a scan to populate the metadata, too
[21:22:17] IrishTeabag: O wait one more question sorry,how do i get into setup?
[21:22:29] IrishTeabag: Do i access it in backend?
[21:22:32] iamlindoro: IrishTeabag: So once you've set the folder, for videos, you'll do Utilities/Setup->Video Manager
[21:22:41] iamlindoro: IrishTeabag: No, the above directions are menu entires in the frontend
[21:22:47] iamlindoro: entries
[21:22:47] IrishTeabag: ok thanks
[21:23:02] mythbox1: IamLindoro: do you have any knowledge of mythstreamtv?
[21:23:11] IrishTeabag: I will come back to you if i fail,and if i dont i'll comne back to thank you
[21:23:39] iamlindoro: mythbox1: No, though I trust sphery's word if he says it doesn't work with the current revision, he's probably the most knowledgeable person in channel w/r/t myth
[21:23:47] iamlindoro: or "amongst the", anyway
[21:24:09] iamlindoro: mythbox1: In general we don't provide support for non-official plugins here, I would advise e-mailing the author (or packager)
[21:24:34] iamlindoro: I think I actually spoke to that scripts author a year or so ago, he was quite quick to get back to me
[21:24:57] mythbox1: do you have his contact info?
[21:25:04] iamlindoro: No, should be on his site
[21:25:13] mythbox1: ok. Thanks for your help all
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[21:25:40] iamlindoro: or in the source.... and he's gone
[21:26:00] stuarta: wham bam thank you maam
[21:26:48] iamlindoro: so it seems :)
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[21:28:24] stuarta: wonder if one of the freeview channel is going to pickup "doll house"
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[21:29:13] iamlindoro: If they do, hang in there through the first few episodes
[21:29:27] iamlindoro: It definitely exhibits the "fox network screw with the early episodes" syndrome
[21:29:30] stuarta: oh i will.
[21:29:35] IrishTeabag: When i was setting up myth,I said I wasnt going to use it on any other pc's but ive changed my mind.Can I change that option without re installing?Do i need to get another package or something?
[21:29:36] stuarta: i like joss whedon's suff
[21:29:38] stuarta: stuff
[21:29:42] iamlindoro: and from episode five or so, gets much more Whdeony
[21:29:45] iamlindoro: Whedony
[21:29:59] stuarta: IrishTeabag:
[21:30:11] stuarta: IrishTeabag: what do you plan to use the new machine for
[21:30:19] iamlindoro: IrishTeabag: You would need to modify a couple of settings, and maybe change some MySQL permissions, but nothing heartbreaking
[21:30:58] IrishTeabag: Ok.I was planning on using the pc i have now to store my media,and some other low end pc's around the house to stream off this pc.Because its half powerful:)
[21:31:13] stuarta: ah, a frontend
[21:31:36] IrishTeabag: But i would like to use this pc as a frontend too.
[21:31:38] iamlindoro: IrishTeabag: That kind of setup is just what Myth is designed for, but note that generally speaking it's the frontends that need power, rather than the backend
[21:32:00] IrishTeabag: Ok,i thoguht it was the other way around:)
[21:32:14] stuarta: backend is mainly bit banging
[21:32:33] stuarta: some eedjit is running it on a P2
[21:32:42] ** stuarta sp0rks clever **
[21:32:53] IrishTeabag: Would an amd sempron 2.ghz with an nvidia 8400gs do as a frontend?
[21:33:09] IrishTeabag: for lo def content
[21:33:20] stuarta: lo def, sure
[21:33:25] IrishTeabag: ok sound
[21:33:43] IrishTeabag: I'll my backend the terabyte hd in this pc
[21:35:37] IrishTeabag: that came out mixed up :S I'll put the terabyte from this pc into the backend
[21:37:27] IrishTeabag: Lads im off to bed.Thanks for all your help.
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[21:39:06] wagnerrp: 32 or 64-bit sempron?
[21:39:25] wagnerrp: nevermind... left
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[21:54:02] iamlindoro: It just occurred to me that Udo talks like the Orz from Star Control 2
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[21:54:18] iamlindoro: "MARK MY WORDS: I'd *gladly* *understand* and if possible have the bugs fixed elsewhere."
[21:55:44] iamlindoro: "Here is *bright* and *smooth*. The other place is *hurt* Orz too much tired for keeping together."
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[22:04:13] iamlindoro: stuarta: Mpeg2Cut2 in WINE has saved me every time I haven't been able to do lossless in mythtranscode
[22:04:26] iamlindoro: Including a furstrating moment with the BSG finale
[22:04:29] iamlindoro: frustrating
[22:04:38] stuarta: it's the bug that bugs me
[22:04:40] TecnoBrat: anyone have any experience using XBMC as a frontend, and having issues with overscanning?
[22:04:49] stuarta: i know i can work around it with projectX
[22:04:57] stuarta: but ultimately i want to fix the bug
[22:05:08] iamlindoro: TecnoBrat: You'll need to seek help from the xbmc people about that
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[22:05:17] iamlindoro: stuarta: Believe you me, I'm invested in seeing it fixed as well
[22:05:51] TecnoBrat: iamlindoro, yea, figured as much ... I assume its their side that isn't able to adjust to an increased overscan % .. but figured someone here might have some experience also :)
[22:06:21] iamlindoro: TecnoBrat: I think they hide out in #xbmc-linux (assuming you're using the linux version)
[22:06:39] iamlindoro: I'd be shocked if they didn't have an overscan adjustment, though
[22:07:38] TecnoBrat: iamlindoro, they do .. but its global for all video .. and the video I get from myth has a higher % overscan needed
[22:07:43] TecnoBrat: and yea, I lurk in that channel already :)
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[22:48:14] dibbz: xbmc is workin ok for me
[22:52:09] heyheyhey: dibbz is it use a script?
[22:53:34] sphery: iamlindoro: did you watch eleventh hour? worth watching or delete (since it's cancelled)?
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[22:57:13] jpabq: sphery: No cliff hanger, so you can watch it if you enjoy it. The first episode was terrible, but it got much better. Also, a single episode mid season required you to have watched the first one.
[22:57:59] cal_: my direct download links arnt working in myth web, just gives a page not
[22:58:09] cal_: found .. is this a security issue?
[22:58:36] sphery: jpabq: so, not really something that I'll crave more of after watching, but something worth watching on its own?
[22:59:25] jpabq: sphery: yeah. Excluding the first episode, I enjoyed it more than I expected to.
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[23:00:32] sphery: cool... I generally delete without watching any series that's cancelled in the first season, but this is one in a genre I enjoy, so I was hesitant. Thanks for the info.
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[23:04:35] sphery: Now I have to decide whether to watch this season's The Unit (as it's been cancelled). Since I watched previous seasons, I have to decided if I'm already invested enough to make one more season worthwhile or not.
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[23:06:15] iamlindoro: sphery, Didn't get into it (watched one ep)
[23:06:51] sphery: thanks... jpabq gave me what I needed.
[23:07:21] sphery: unless you mean "the unit", in which case, you didn't really miss much (only reason I'm contemplating watching this season is because I've watched the others)
[23:07:36] iamlindoro: I watched a season of the unit, wasn't my cup of tea
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[23:25:57] TecnoBrat: I quite liked it at first .. then they tried to add too much drama into it imo
[23:35:02] sphery: yeah, kind of turned into a soap opera
[23:42:14] iamlindoro: sphery Beat you to that response ;)
[23:42:26] iamlindoro: re: forbidden topics
[23:43:24] sphery: yeah... I clicked send, then yours popped up (my client hadn't checked for new ones for a while, then did when I sent mine)
[23:43:42] sphery: I only have it check for new every 10mins
[23:44:22] iamlindoro: If anyone's in the market for a Harmony, there are two in Newegg's refurbs
[23:44:26] iamlindoro: $44 and $99
[23:44:34] iamlindoro: (659 and 880)
[23:44:45] iamlindoro: w/ free shipping on both
[23:44:53] cal_: hmm its only my hd recordings that have broken direct download links
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[23:50:55] iamlindoro: sphery, love your wiki change summaries
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[23:52:49] sphery: heh
[23:53:02] sphery: yeah, wasn't in a great mood when I changed that
[23:53:27] iamlindoro: So, "Glee" was godo
[23:53:30] iamlindoro: er good
[23:53:35] sphery: cool
[23:53:47] iamlindoro: worth giving a chance in the fall, anyway
[23:53:49] sphery: I probably won't watch it until after the show has actually aired for a while
[23:54:02] sphery: see if it will die an early death first and all
[23:54:05] iamlindoro: You'll have a while to wait, it's not back 'til fall
[23:54:09] sphery: yeah...
[23:54:30] sphery: that's OK. I had >950 recordings before I started cleaning out some cancelled ones earlier today.
[23:54:53] sphery: 920 now
[23:54:59] iamlindoro: heh
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