Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, May 18th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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Ponty:

On my way home.

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Er1K:

k....you will need to config target ip and your keybindings at the top of the file...hollar if you can't figure anything out

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joe-mac:

hmm anyone know how to disable desktop effects for mythtv and its children?

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kormoc:

myth has children?

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iamlindoro:

minimyth!

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iamlindoro:

;)

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myth_leech:

Ponty: I read that mythtv wiki article on the hvr-1600 and that sounds like a sexy bit of circuitry. I think I might pick one up myself :)

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joe-mac:

i'm having some trouble with lirc, is anybody good with it? when i run mode2 or irw i get nothing but i can see my receiver on the front of my box light up

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myth_leech:

They way the wiki article reads it looks like it's capable of providing mpegs streams for both digital and analog at the same time, as if it were two separate cards

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joe-mac:

it's an Intel Corporation 82801IR (ICH9R)

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joe-mac:

receiver, and a windows mediac entre remote, the new kind

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myth_leech:

do you have any lirc devices created in /dev?

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joe-mac:

i have /dev/lircd

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myth_leech:

should be /dev/lirc and then a number 0–9 at the end of lirc

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joe-mac:

hm, ok

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myth_leech:

so there's no /dev/lirc0 ?

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myth_leech:

or /dev/lirc which is a symlink pointing to /dev/lirc0 ?

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joe-mac:

devs aren't getting created for some reason. no i symlinked /dev/lircd to /dev/lirc thinking it was some ubuntu bug (not creating the devices that is)

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myth_leech:

That means that lircd is running, but it isn't detecting your infrared receiver, or at least not creating a device for it.

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joe-mac:

hm, let me try to run it in the foreground and see what happens

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myth_leech:

how about dmesg|grep lirc

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myth_leech:

wait lemme check that i'm not sure lirc puts anything in dmesg :)

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joe-mac:

lirc_mceusb2: Philips eHome USB IR Transceiver and Microsoft MCE 2005 Remote Control driver for LIRC $Revision: 1.51 $

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myth_leech:

was that from dmesg or lircd?

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joe-mac:

dmesg

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joe-mac:

but it fails in /var/log/daemon.log

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myth_leech:

what's it got in the log entry?

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Ponty:

<- Not happy camper.

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Ponty:

Can't find my 8900 Cell phone. >:[

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myth_leech:

is that the tilt?

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Ponty:

Probably dropped it when I was running around on Friday. DAMN am I pissed off.

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Ponty:

Blackberry 8900.

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joe-mac:

could not get information for /dev/lirc0, fialed to initialize hardware

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myth_leech:

hrm

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myth_leech:

is it indeed a Phillips eHome receiver? Perhaps it's initializing it as the wrong receiver.

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, so Plants vs Zombies is fairly fun

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Oh? Saw it on steampowered, not my usual type of game but maybe I'll give it a second look

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** Ponty needs to figure out how to get his USB IR working with lIRC. **

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joe-mac:

i;m guessing it's choosing the wrong receiver

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Ponty:

So many things to do, so little time. *sigh*

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joe-mac:

fgoing to tery a couple iothers with dpkg-reconfgigur

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kormoc:

it's purely a really fun spin on a tower defense game, but if that's not your thing. it'll be meh I'd guess

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joe-mac:

god i can't type right now lol

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Heh @ zombie bobsled team

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kormoc:

Aye, it's quite unique :)

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kormoc:

"Dear Homeowner, You have failed to submit to our rightful claim. Be advised that unless you comply, we will be forced to take extreme action. Please remit your home and brains to us forthwith."

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kormoc:

I'm amused :)

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Ponty:

Home and brains???

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kormoc:

Yeah, they like my house

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joe-mac:

anybody here using newer style microsoft windows media remotes with lirc?

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arrenlex:

I am not getting any sound in mythtv (livetv). Playing music from a file works. To get sound in tvtime, I have to use the sox workaround to read from /dev/dsp1, but in the backend conf I have configured that card to get audio from /dev/dsp1 so it should be the same. How do I get sound?

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arrenlex:

Also, starting live tv frequently causes hard locks causing me to reboot my machine. Is that related?

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myth_leech:

i had some similar sound weirdness, I had to set myth to use alsa, and then I had to change the sound settings because it was using some funky mixer other than ALSA.

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myth_leech:

once i changed my mixer to use ALSA and myth to alsa, everything was fine

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myth_leech:

also I set myth to not do any mixer settings from inside myth

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arrenlex:

myth_leech: What is the "mixer" and where do I configure it?

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myth_leech:

Are you using gnome or kde?

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arrenlex:

myth_leech: I think this distro is based on xfce.

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android6011:

my current live tv directory where the .nuv files are is /home/mythtv/rec , what should the permissons on that directory be

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myth_leech:

mythtv user should have read/write

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myth_leech:

arren: I haven't used xfce, is there a volume control or mixer setting?

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kormoc:

just use alsamixer

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android6011:

myth_leech: how can I check if the permissions are correct from the command line?

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arrenlex:

myth_leech: If I try to play the .nuvs in mplayer, I also get no sound, and tons of error messages that say too many video packets in the buffer. These error messages go away if I disable audio.

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arrenlex:

myth_leech: Does that mean the backend conf is wrong?

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myth_leech:

shoot, that I don't know.

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myth_leech:

it could be that or it could be that the drivers are wrong for the device.

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myth_leech:

Do you get sound if you use a program other than mythtv to watch from that video source?

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myth_leech:

android: ls -al will tell you perms

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myth_leech:

fastest way to set them though is chown -R mythtv /home/mythtv/rec

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arrenlex:

myth_leech: I have only tried tvtime. I have to use the sox workaround, but once I use it the sound is perfect.

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arrenlex:

myth_leech: sox -r 48000 -w -c 2 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp1 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp

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android6011:

myth_leech: ok, I did that, do you have any idea why a third party front end would be saying "can't find ###.nuv", it tunes the channel etc this is what the myth log shows when I try to watch a channel http://pastebin.com/m7a118eea

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myth_leech:

what user is your mythfrontend running as?

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android6011:

mythtv

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android6011:

and im trying to access a backend thats on another machine, the frontend is mythbox for xbmc

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myth_leech:

I'm not seeing the error you're talking bout in your pastebin

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myth_leech:

Could this be the reason that the .nuv files recorded have bad audio?

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myth_leech:

2009-05–17 21:09:29.351 NVR(/dev/video0): Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles. Assuming RTjpeg for now.

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myth_leech:

2009-05–17 21:09:29.355 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Unknown audio codec

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android6011:

the error shows up on screen in mythbox when I select a channel it says "exception: can't find recording 1008_20090516=711621.nuv"

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android6011:

uhh, i havnt gotten far enough to know if im having audio problems

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android6011:

i just have a backend running

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myth_leech:

if you do ls -al /home/mythtv/rec/|grep 1008_20090516=711621 does it show the file?

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wagnerrp:

android6011: do you have a working frontend anywhere?

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android6011:

wagnerrp: well i had a frontend on the backend machine initially and i saw video, but i didnt have speakers hooked up

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myth_leech:

thanks wag I'm probably not helping too much :)

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wagnerrp:

so in other words, the backend seems to be working fine (except perhaps audio), and you cannot get xmbc working

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android6011:

myth_leech: nothing showed up when I did that, but when i ls the rec directory i see all the nuv files including

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wagnerrp:

did you give the xbmc machine file access to the recordings?

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android6011:

"-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 271208584 2009-05–17 21:20 1008_20090517211621.nuv"

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wagnerrp:

are you sure xbmc can play nuvs?

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android6011:

ya its a script for it

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wagnerrp:

whats a script?

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android6011:

if i try the standard "myth://" feature that xbmc has built in a select a channel, xbmc just logs up for a few seconds and returns to the select channel screen

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android6011:

wagnerrp: its what they call addons

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android6011:

i think the script im using uses ffmpeg to play the files

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wagnerrp:

well it wouldnt use ffmpeg, it would either use mplayer, or their own player and the libavcodec libraries

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wagnerrp:

anyway, you have the recordings folder mounted on the xmbc machine?

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myth_leech:

I just realized what you were saying android... I was not aware that there were any third party frontends for myth. I kind of assumed you were using mythfrontend.

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wagnerrp:

there are a handful

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android6011:

wagnerrp: no? im not sure how it works, it just asks in the settings for the mysql info and the mythtv server ip

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wagnerrp:

you must have the recordings folder mounted

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wagnerrp:

according to the docs, it does not understand mythproto streaming

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iamlindoro:

#mythtv-users, reading manual for people since 2001

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iamlindoro:

manuals

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android6011:

so I need to create a samba share then add it as a network location on the xbmc machine?

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wagnerrp:

furthermore, i see no comments that mythbox even supports nuvs

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android6011:

b.c im using windows

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android6011:

for xbmc

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wagnerrp:

the only comments i see mention that you have to apply nupplevideo patches to xbmc, because the xbmc devs dont see nupplevideo as a real video format

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wagnerrp:

and those were from 2005

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wagnerrp:

patches mean recompiling, something not entirely simple on windows

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android6011:

wagnerrp: are you looking at the xmbc docs or the mythbox docs?

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wagnerrp:

the mythbox docs make no mention whatsoever of nuppelvideo

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wagnerrp:

im looking at google, and mailing list archives

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wagnerrp:

anyway, as you said, the backend seems to be working

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android6011:

well the thing is, my backend machine, i have reformated with different linux distros about 10 timies over the last few days trying out different settings, and at one point xbmc and mythbox worked fine, but now that im using ubuntu its throwing that error about it cant find the video

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wagnerrp:

go find people that use mythbox for help getting it set up

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wagnerrp:

then come back here if it turns out your recordings have no audio

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android6011:

its just that because it did work before that makes me think i have the backend set up wrong somewhere

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wagnerrp:

your 'ls' showed that the recordings do in fact exist

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wagnerrp:

so the only problem is that xbmc cannot access them

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iamlindoro:

The thing is, nobody here is going to be able to troubleshoot a myth setup that doesn't include a real frontend

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wagnerrp:

and from what i read, you need the directories mounted

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android6011:

ok well ill go ahead and try that

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wagnerrp:

either way, the backend seems to be working just fine, so as far as we can tell, its a problem with mythbox

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Ponty:

Am I to understand that when scheduling recordings, "Record at any time on channel XXX" will check for dupes for previous recordings but "Record at any time on any channel" doesn't?

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wagnerrp:

no

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** Ponty wishes this was a LITTLE bit more clearly described. **

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wagnerrp:

it will always check for duplicates unless you specifically tell it not to

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iamlindoro:

You mean like in the dozens of pages of documentation about the scheduler?

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Ponty:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scheduling_Recordings <- Little out of date then?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html

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iamlindoro:

The wiki isnt' the docs

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Ponty:

Thats better.

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Ponty:

Bookmarking this site instead. ;)

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Ponty:

Thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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Ponty:

So in the case of Daily Planet, where they show reruns of the new episode for the day, I should pick "CHANNEL RECORD" as it will look at the program ID?

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wagnerrp:

assuming your scheduling data for that show has meaningful episodes

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Ponty:

It seems to, yes. I did a manual dupe check and the program IDs are the same on one particular day, then different the next.

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sphery:

Ponty: based on what I heard from another clever user who watches Daily Planet, that won't work because the descriptions/programid's are almost always generic

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iamlindoro:

That particular user's behaviors can be safely discarded in most cases, however ;)

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Ponty:

hmmm.. I'm gonna check the DB and see what it says. The description is generic, yeah, but I'm seeing unique Program IDs.

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iamlindoro:

It would be wise to ignore the DB, and instead use myth to look at upcoming recordings

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, likely\

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sphery:

Ponty: your best bet for a show like that--assuming it is usually generics--is to use some modification of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/153872#153872

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Demerzel:

hello folks

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Demerzel:

anyone up and around?

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Ponty:

Yup

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Demerzel:

sweet :) had a quick question perhaps you have experience with it

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Demerzel:

MCE receivers ... i have a logitech harmony remote that i can program and am trying to figure out what remote control to make it

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Ponty:

I'm useless in that quest so far. ;)

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Ponty:

I'm still trying to figure the recording of shows, and how it works exactly.

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Demerzel:

since the MCE receiver is a RC6 receiver i don't know whether it'll work with any RC6 remote or not ... i'd like to make the most use of all the buttons if possible

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Demerzel:

oh

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Demerzel:

what're you looking at?

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sphery:

Demerzel: I'm pretty sure there's an MCE setting/emulation/remote for the harmony

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iamlindoro:

Which is what most use

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Demerzel:

ah ok

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Demerzel:

let me check it out

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Demerzel:

i have the xbox 360 as a device

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Ponty:

*sigh* Daily Planet is one of those shows that are just generic across the board.... ... ... grr... Ok, so I'll force it to record once a day.

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Ponty:

Damn it.

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arrenlex:

Does mythtv use a particular command to capture TV for live TV viewing?

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arrenlex:

Or is it done inside the big app?

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sphery:

the big app

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iamlindoro:

All done my mythbackend

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iamlindoro:

er by

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arrenlex:

Ah, that's disappointing. Thank you.

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sphery:

Myth = all-integrated DVR

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sphery:

Freevo = bunch of apps integrated into a DVR

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arrenlex:

sphery: Well, I know mythtranscode is a separate command, for example.

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sphery:

yeah, basically just saying that Myth provides all the code that does Myth stuff; Freevo uses MPlayer/TvTime/Xine/Xmms/gstreamer/... So if you're disappointed by mythbackend's doing the recording because you wanted it to be some other app, you may want to look at Freevo

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arrenlex:

sphery: I am disappointed because it doesn't work and if it's monolithic I can't replace it with a shell script with the same interface. :)

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arrenlex:

sphery: I am looking at freevo now, thanks for the pointer.

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sphery:

actually, it works--once you get it configured :)\

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arrenlex:

sphery: No, believe me, it really doesn't. :) I have configured the hell out of it over the past 5 or 6 hours. The settings are right.

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arrenlex:

sphery: It's a USB tuner with a /dev/video0 for video and a /dev/dsp1 for audio. That is how I set up mythbackend. There is no sound in my liveTV in mythfrontend.

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tank-man:

but there is sound in recordings?

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arrenlex:

sphery: mythfrontend plays music files fine, so the sound settings are working. I can capture awesomely with mencoder feeding off /dev/video0 and /dev/dsp1.

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tank-man:

livetv is a recording done 1 second ago

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arrenlex:

tank-man: Well, I tried to play the .nuv files in mplayer, and there was no sound. Just tons and tons of error messages about buffer overrun.

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arrenlex:

tank-man: These errors disappear when I invoke mplayer with -noaudio.

[03:20:15]

arrenlex:

tank-man: So it really really really looks to me like mythbackend is screwing up the recordings.

[03:22:53]

Ponty:

Are you sure the USB tuner is working at usb2 speeds AND there is nothing else using the PCI bus?

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Ponty:

If you played the SAME NUV file with and without sound, and you got different results, it sounds like you're looking at speed issues of the system itself, not the recording.

[03:25:16]

Ponty:

Now, audio isn't as hard to decode as video, I give ya that, but the same file with different results makes me point to system resources more than software.

[03:25:43]

tank-man:

or mplayer isnt built with support for the audio codec maybe

[03:26:37]

Ponty:

Try a different player. I use VLC on a Windows machine and it works.

[03:26:39]

arrenlex:

tank-man: That audio codec is mp3, I'm pretty sure mplayer supports it.

[03:27:09]

MavisBacon:

i'm having issues getting my wintv pvr 250 remote to work. using the configs posted here: http://jeremysands.com/?p=46, i get "lirc init success using configuration file: /home/tyson/.lircrc" when loading mythfrontend, and when i cat /dev/lirc and hit buttons i get characters on the screen, but when i'm in mythfronend and using the remote nothing happens.

[03:27:13]

arrenlex:

Ponty: The systems playing this are a 3.8GHz hyperthreaded Xeon and a 2.4 GHz dual-core opteron. Whatever's in there, I'm pretty sure they can decode it in realtime.

[03:28:40]

Ponty:

I'd still point to the hardware you're using as I've got no issues watching the recorded vids on either the machine I recorded them on, or over the network, or the copied NUV to my Windows machine.

[03:28:43]

arrenlex:

Ponty: The USB tuner is working at whatever speed is required for both tvtime and mencoder to be able to get perfect TV from it. I assume this is usb2.

[03:28:48]

myth_leech:

Mavis: what's your distro? On gentoo I had to set a keyword to have it build myth with lirc support

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MavisBacon:

opensuse 11.1

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myth_leech:

I don't know much about that distro

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myth_leech:

you have all the buttons mapped correctly in your .lircrc, right?

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MavisBacon:

:/ i didn't build it. installed binaries from pacman's repository

[03:30:12]

myth_leech:

There is a .lircrc floating around out there for the pvr250 remote

[03:30:15]

MavisBacon:

yeah, the link i provided is an example for the same hardware

[03:30:26]

MavisBacon:

see above, i was able to find that file

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arrenlex:

Ponty: looking at the output of mythbackend, it says this: NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Only read 336 bytes of 4096 bytes from '/dev/dsp1'.

[03:31:44]

arrenlex:

Is this important?

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Ponty:

I'd say so. Means that your machine is missing info from the USB device.

[03:32:23]

arrenlex:

Ponty: When I look at mythfrontend, I see a lot of NVP: Video is 30 frames ahead of audio, doubling video frame interval to slow down.

[03:32:33]

MavisBacon:

perhaps the issue isn't mythtv.. the .lircrc i'm using contains definitions for mplayer and amarok. i've just tried those programs and the remote does nothing in them either.

[03:32:35]

arrenlex:

Ponty: What sort of info? How do i put it there?

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Ponty:

The /dev/dsp1 is your audio device, I believe. /dev/video (or video0 or video1) is your video input. For some reason your machine isn't reading from the USB device properly.

[03:33:46]

arrenlex:

Ponty: My headphones are /dev/dsp in oss. /dev/dsp1 is the input from my tuner.

[03:33:51]

Ponty:

Which would explain why you're seeing video properly, when you turn audio off, but when you turn audio on, it works.

[03:33:56]

myth_leech:

Just re-reading the howto, Mavis, have you made a lircrc in the .mythtv directory in /home/tyson/.mythtv/lircrc?

[03:34:26]

myth_leech:

lemme take a look at mine really quick

[03:34:28]

arrenlex:

Ponty: I always see the video properly. I never hear audio. I was just saying that mplayer gives buffer errors when I play the .nuv file with audio enabled (there is still no audio playing)

[03:34:32]

myth_leech:

I had the same one till I lost the dongle in a move :(

[03:34:36]

Ponty:

err.. :s/audio on, it works./audio on, it DOESN'T work./g

[03:35:01]

MavisBacon:

myth_leech: negative. currently the file is at ~/.lircrc. will try that

[03:35:24]

arrenlex:

Ponty: You may have misunderstood. I always see the video properly in everything. It's just that enabling audio causes lots of errors from mplayer (and there is still no audio)

[03:35:49]

Ponty:

Ok, here's what happens...

[03:35:55]

arrenlex:

Ponty: Similarly for VLC on Linux. I see in the stats that it has decoded lots of video packet but 0 audio packets as it plays the file.

[03:36:03]

arrenlex:

Ponty: Which causes me to think the nuv is brokened.

[03:36:06]

myth_leech:

mavis

[03:36:13]

myth_leech:

i found mine but I'm not sure if I customized it or not

[03:36:15]

myth_leech:

it's been a while

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Ponty:

When you capture your video, you have two lines coming from your tuner to the machine. Whatever the data is, ends up encoded or dropped right into the NUV file. No error checking done.

[03:36:45]

MavisBacon:

myth_leech: "lirc init success using configuration file: /home/tyson/.mythtv/lircrc", but still does not work

[03:37:27]

Ponty:

However, when you start reading the file, checking is done, because, well, tonnes of math is required to decode to bring your video and audio to your monitor and speakers, so when you have a 100% of the info for your video, you get perfect video. However if your audio isn't being dropped in properly, you're going to get errors.

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arrenlex:

Ponty: Yes, that sounds right.

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Ponty:

So my thoughts are still geared at looking at your hardware. For one reason or another you're audio isn't being pulled properly from the audio line of your tuner, which is why when you play the NUV with audio, it barfs.

[03:39:49]

arrenlex:

Ponty: I understand that perspective, however the fact that there are two other programs that pull it in fine leads me to suspect it's fine.

[03:39:51]

Ponty:

Does your USB tuner have an audio-out jack?

[03:39:56]

arrenlex:

Ponty: No.

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myth_leech:

Mavis: I put mine here

[03:40:01]

myth_leech:

http://pastebin.com/m3595c365

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arrenlex:

Ponty: If /dev/dsp1 was wrong or not what my tuner was using, sox wouldn't be able to get correct audio from it, and neither would mencoder. But they can.

[03:40:46]

Ponty:

Are the other two software apps you use being run on the same machine, in the same OS and successfully being dumped?

[03:41:00]

arrenlex:

Ponty: Yes, same OS, same machine, same shell session even.

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myth_leech:

got to go sorry all

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myth_leech:

peace

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Ponty:

Cya

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Ponty:

Look for an option in the configs for "AGGRESSIVE AUDIO BUFFERING" or something to that extent.

[03:42:19]

MavisBacon:

baaaah

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arrenlex:

Ponty: I have seen it. Currently I think it is off.

[03:42:37]

Ponty:

Try flip'n it on.

[03:43:42]

arrenlex:

Ponty: Was it in the backend or the frontend conf? I forget now.

[03:43:45]

Ponty:

I can't hunt for it on my machine as I'm currently recording something for the next 20 minutes.

[03:43:47]

Ponty:

Its in the back end.

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arrenlex:

Ponty: k

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arrenlex:

Ponty: Looks like it's not in the backend, I checked everything. :) Frontend time...

[03:47:41]

arrenlex:

Ponty: Ah, yes, there it is in the audio settings of the frontend.

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arrenlex:

Ponty: It looks from that screen like it only affects the playback, not the recording. i.e. /dev/dsp.

[03:49:01]

Ponty:

Ahh, it is in the front end.

[03:49:10]

arrenlex:

Ponty: Yeah, I enabled it and there's no change.

[03:49:25]

arrenlex:

Ponty: As always, a tiny tenth of a second blip of sound that looks right for the program at the beginning. Then silence.

[03:49:33]

arrenlex:

Ponty: Occasional blips every five or so seconds.

[03:49:40]

arrenlex:

Ponty: Which is what I was seeing before.

[03:49:56]

Ponty:

I have that when i watch live TV for some goofy reason, but it works for me when I record.

[03:50:16]

arrenlex:

Ponty: I haven't tried recording, but I need the ability to watch live TV.

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arrenlex:

Ponty: I have set it to record in 2 minutes... we'll see what they look like.

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Ponty:

ko

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petercross:

hello anyone have a minute for a mundane question? i am using FC9 and have installed mythtv but mythtv doesn't/cannot recognize my video capture wintv hvr-1600 the card is recognized by lspci http://embed.mibbit.com/pb/3EL0kQ but not by mythbackend anyone have any ideas?

[03:57:01]

arrenlex:

Ponty: Mplayer cannot read the .nuv file of the recording. I will wait until it finishes and see what mythfrontend does with it...

[03:57:15]

arrenlex:

Ponty: by cannot read I mean the video plays fine and the audio produces the same errors and blips.

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petercross:

i've looked at the mythtv wiki and tried the install instructions but still no joy

[03:57:59]

arrenlex:

Ponty: Actually no blips in mplayer, just errors

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arrenlex:

petercross: Does a /dev/video0 device exist?

[03:58:27]

petercross:

new to linux

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petercross:

how do I tell

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petercross:

do you mean in mythbackend?

[03:58:42]

petercross:

then no

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arrenlex:

petercross: No, in a terminal. Run this command without quotes: "file /dev/video*"

[03:59:21]

petercross:

no it does not

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petercross:

how/what do i need to do to change that

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petercross:

[root@localhost ~]# file /dev/video /dev/video: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/video' (No such file or directory)

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Ponty:

ls -l /dev/video*

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arrenlex:

petercross: You forgot the asterisk in my command... Ponty's will work too, but put the asterisk in

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Ponty:

Thats a lower case L, not a number 1

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petercross:

[root@localhost ~]# file /dev/video* /dev/video*: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/video*' (No such file or directory)

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Ponty:

lspci | grep 1600

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petercross:

[root@localhost ~]# ls -l /dev/video* ls: cannot access /dev/video*: No such file or directory

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arrenlex:

Ponty: dmesg might be good too... I don't know where the pastebin for the channel though. :)

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petercross:

Ponty after I run it it goes to a new command line

[04:02:24]

Ponty:

http://pastebin.ca

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Ponty:

Move the card to another PCI slot, reboot, then run the lspci command again.

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petercross:

ok

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Ponty:

Well, first turn the machine OFF, *THEN* take the screw driver to it. heh

[04:03:00]

petercross:

will be back on in a bit

[04:03:06]

petercross:

lol

[04:03:08]

petercross:

got it

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arrenlex:

petercross: Hold on :) first do a dmesg.

[04:03:34]

arrenlex:

petercross: It may be something mundane, like missing firmware.

[04:03:42]

Ponty:

hmm.. Is it PCI or PCIE?

[04:03:56]

arrenlex:

petercross: Run this command: dmesg > /tmp/dmesg_out

[04:04:06]

petercross:

pci

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arrenlex:

petercross: Then go to pastebin.ca and paste the contents of that file into the window.

[04:05:18]

petercross:

went to new command line

[04:05:50]

petercross:

http://embed.mibbit.com/pb/KCKG9L

[04:05:53]

arrenlex:

petercross: Right, it won't produce output in the shell. But it did create the file /tmp/dmesg_out with lots of content

[04:06:14]

arrenlex:

petercross: So open /tmp/dmesg_out in a text editor, and paste its contents onto the pastebin.

[04:08:14]

Ponty:

Peter> http://pastebin.ca/upload.php – Upload the /tmp/dmesg_out

[04:08:39]

petercross:

http://embed.mibbit.com/pb/s1DKGv

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Ponty:

Theres gotta be more than that.

[04:09:20]

arrenlex:

petercross: It has way more content than you can show in a single screen of nano. :) It would be easiest to upload it as Ponty says, I didn't know pastebin had that feature.

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arrenlex:

Whoops, hit esc on the wrong keyboard. I cannot deal with having two keyboards in front of me. :) I don't think I've started typing on the right one a single time.

[04:11:12]

petercross:

how do I save it to upload

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petercross:

I'm working through putty

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petercross:

the machine is headless

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arrenlex:

petercross: Oh. Ouch.

[04:11:39]

petercross:

I access via mythweb

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Ponty:

*sigh* I remember the days of having to deal with dual keyboards. Then came along Synergy, then headless computers with LogMeIn and RDP servers.

[04:12:28]

Ponty:

apt-get install lynx

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Ponty:

lynx http://pastebin.ca/upload.php

[04:13:54]

Ponty:

You'll have to use the down-arrow key to go to a section labeled "Upload a text or source file"

[04:14:09]

petercross:

k lynx installed via yum install lynx

[04:14:12]

arrenlex:

Ponty: Nope, looks like the recordings are also broken. :(

[04:14:24]

Ponty:

You'll see a line that has FILE _______ UPLOAD – Go to where the underscores are, enter /tmp/dmesg_out, tab over and hit UPLOAD.

[04:14:32]

arrenlex:

Ponty: I guess I will give freevo a try... thanks for the help.

[04:14:39]

Ponty:

arrenlex> No worries.

[04:14:44]

Ponty:

Sorry I couldn't be more help.

[04:15:01]

arrenlex:

Ponty: It's okay. Who knows, if freevo doesn't work maybe I will write my own based on mencoder :)

[04:15:14]

arrenlex:

Ponty: But commercial detection would be nice... that sounds hard.

[04:16:02]

Ponty:

I'm get'n pissy with Discovery Channel. Most of their different shows have all the same IDs. Pissing me off.

[04:16:23]

Ponty:

Bugs me that I gotta say "Ok, you can record at 9, you can record at 10....."

[04:19:24]

oobe:

this is awesome http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6547

[04:23:01]

petercross:

http://embed.mibbit.com/pb/gH49qO

[04:23:11]

Ponty:

No, this is awesome: http://ginger.gotdns.com:8181/summer.asp – Note days left till summer. ;)

[04:23:17]

petercross:

Ponty and arrenlex

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petercross:

check the pastebin I just sent

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Ponty:

Checking

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petercross:

ty

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arrenlex:

Ponty: This looks like the interesting part: http://arrenlex.aa.am/interesting

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Ponty:

Specifically the three lines right after the first input....

[04:27:29]

Ponty:

Peter> Try moving the card to a different PCI slot, then repeat. You may be looking at having to flash that card, or, return the card because its defective.

[04:27:46]

petercross:

great

[04:28:37]

petercross:

alright thanks guy off to do that now

[04:28:40]

arrenlex:

Ponty: I know nothing about hauppauge eeprom, but I know that for my usb adapter I have to keep a firmware file in /lib/firmware for it to load every time. Could this be like that?

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Ponty:

Not sure, to be quite honest. You may be correct, but what I don't like is the fact that its trying to read from the Eprom, but its not getting any info back. It specifically states that its not present, which would indicate a CRC error in the firmware, a faulty card, or a bad interrupt call.

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Ponty:

I'm hoping its just an IRQ issue, which would be resolved with moving the card.

[04:31:42]

Ponty:

It could also be just not picking up the right card for one reason or another. Expecting something in particular back, receives `something` but isn't sure WTF it is.

[04:32:17]

Ponty:

Whats also interesting is that it is reading SOME devices from the unit.

[04:32:27]

Ponty:

Video32, 24 and radio0...

[04:33:44]

wagnerrp:

you dont want to be using any of those with mythtv

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Ponty:

True or not, SOMETHING is being pulled from the card. Might be a resource conflict or something. I have that issue with this capture card. Its gotta be in one of two slots or I get nothing out of it.

[04:36:57]

wagnerrp:

pulled from the card?

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Ponty:

Information that those three capabilities exist, yet, it realized that there was nothing read from the EEProm.

[04:37:50]

wagnerrp:

you want video0

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wagnerrp:

24 and 32 are direct access to uncompressed video and audio, and mythtv has no official radio support

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Ponty:

You're missing my point.... The card was visible to the OS. It read data from it. It wasn't a complete failure at initialization. It did register something, but in this case, it has to be an all or nothing scenario.

[04:39:41]

petercross:

machine is booting now one sec

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Ponty:

Peter> Don't be disheartened until you try ALL the PCI slots.

[04:41:45]

Ponty:

The PCI bus is a finiky ordeal in some cases.

[04:42:40]

petercross:

i'm just hoping the card isn't bad

[04:42:46]

petercross:

bought it off of ebay

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Ponty:

Got a DOA agreement with it?

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arrenlex:

petercross: Best way to establish that is fire it up on Windows with the official drivers. :)

[04:45:18]

petercross:

ok

[04:50:46]

RyeBrye:

http://tvdecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/17 . . . s-dollhouse/ dolhouse renewed

[04:52:04]

Ponty:

.... and that show is probably going to take the place of where Knight Rider SHOULD be. :P

[04:55:23]

RyeBrye:

Knight Rider wasn't a bad idea... but the casting on that show was horrible

[04:55:48]

Ponty:

The worst casting IMHO was the Ford. :P

[04:55:51]

Ponty is now known as Pontiac

[04:55:59]

Pontiac:

But I guess I'm sorta biased. heh

[04:56:01]

RyeBrye:

true

[04:56:25]

Demerzel:

did knight rider get cancelled then?

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Pontiac:

Rumor is, yes. But I've not seen anything `official`.

[04:58:11]

Demerzel:

pity

[04:58:29]

Demerzel:

as cheesy as it was, i figured it was an updated version for the current generation

[04:58:39]

Demerzel:

the only thing even remotely interesting in the show itself

[04:59:12]

Demerzel:

was an episode where kitt slides next to a bridge and does a turbo boost onto the bridge

[04:59:32]

Demerzel:

i figured if they keep putting in stuff like that it might be worth sitting through

[04:59:43]

RyeBrye:

in HD it was worth watching

[04:59:57]

Demerzel:

yeah always watched it in hd

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Pontiac:

I enjoyed it for two different reasons.

[05:00:04]

RyeBrye:

the guy they cast for Michael Knight sucked though

[05:00:14]

Pontiac:

DAMNED fine model bodies, and the PERSONALITY of a smart assed car.

[05:00:33]

Demerzel:

right

[05:00:50]

Demerzel:

i think they needed to move away from the cheese and make it gritty

[05:00:58]

Demerzel:

was the hoff involved in it at all?

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RyeBrye:

"Michael. I've detected you are too much of a soap opera actor for this role. I am proceeding to gas you to death in hopes you will be replaced by someone who will give this show a chance."

[05:01:43]

Pontiac:

heh

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Demerzel:

set the story in the future some 25–30 years out

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Demerzel:

make the car 3-law compliant and throw in problems for michael involving various social issues, problems for kitt exploring the 3 laws and multi-episode arcs involving a mix of both types of problems that culminate in the finale

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Pontiac:

Robocar??

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Demerzel:

yeah, in essence

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Demerzel:

but with the kitt/michael relationship that we expect out of knight rider

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Demerzel:

the idea would be to make things more gritty overall

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Demerzel:

i'd expect the problems people deal with to be more R rated as well

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Demerzel:

i think one of the bits that kept the current iteration of knight rider behind

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Demerzel:

is the G rated nature of the show

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Pontiac:

It'd be interesting to amalgamate a human brain into a car.

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Demerzel:

you gotta appeal to the kiddies

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Demerzel:

you already have the old school knight rider fans in toe

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Demerzel:

tow

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Demerzel:

the rest better damn well be satisfied with whatever crap you fling at them

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Demerzel:

with at least a PG-13 show (if not an R rated show) they could go further

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Pontiac:

Like using the S word everyonce in a while?

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Demerzel:

heh

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Demerzel:

that, and perhaps make michael a flawed hero

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Demerzel:

perhaps someone who _will_ pull the trigger when he's beaten his enemy and finds him on the ground helpless

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Demerzel:

more like the Comedian from watchmen than like Superman

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RyeBrye:

put Jack Bauer in KITT

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Demerzel:

that should be fun

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Demerzel:

or mal reynolds

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Demerzel:

actually

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Demerzel:

mal reynolds would be a lot more fun

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Pontiac:

Nawww.. Brent Spiner as Data.... Two computers get'n along. One with no humor, the other .. well.. still no humor.

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Demerzel:

heh

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Demerzel:

later folks

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gsommer:

I noticed yestoday that mythtv failed a recording (Well, it created a 0byte file)... I thing it might have been because my CAM was a bit slow – and it timesout...I tried tuning to the channel today, and i CAN tune it... I'm wondering if MythTV will retry if a recording failed – or a tuning failed (Like 3 tries before it gives up)

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tank-man:

select the recording and delete it and pick allow re-record

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clever:

[3]+ Segmentation fault (core dumped) mythfrontend

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clever:

damnit, not again

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clever:

all i was doing was scrolling thru the damn recording list

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clever:

for once, iamlindoro is right, my fault:P

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dibbz:

if i add a network stream for a tuner, should I be seeing the option for external channel changer script in the input connections dialog?

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anykey__:

dibbz: yes you should, however I remeber that I didn't see that line too. Had to manually edit the database...

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clever:

stuarta: i just found an odd entry in the guide data, title='Why Are You Awake?', starttime=2009-05–28 07:00:00

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clever:

i found it by randomly punching channels from schedules direct into my channel change script, and checking that i can actualy get them

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clever:

several of those where hd that my box cant even handle

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clever:

and i still dont have my reschedules <30 seconds:(

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clever:

its actualy worse now then yesterday

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stuarta:

i found my reschedule times dropped from 20s -> 3s when i set the callsign of all the regional versions of BBC & ITV to be the same

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clever:

ah

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stuarta:

that way the scheduler thinks they are basically the same

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clever:

ive found that the same show is airing on 5–6 channels at once sometimes

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clever:

ever since the channels got scrambled

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clever:

and what happens if theres a difference between the channels?

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stuarta:

dunno, it's written for the case of US local affiliate stations

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stuarta:

which carry the main station broadcast 98% of the time

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stuarta:

so i assume it can cope

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clever:

it gets a bit worse when your nearing the end of the 2 weeks of data

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clever:

then its 6 unknowns and it tries to record all at once

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clever:

heres one of them, csi miami is on channel 2, 106, 109, and 110 at 11pm tonight

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clever:

wbz, cfto, cky, cfcn

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clever:

all 4 are 'later showing'

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stuarta:

that's what happens when the callsigns are different

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stuarta:

hence why your reschedule times are high

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clever:

and everybody else blamed my 200 rules:P

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clever:

and 1600 recordongs

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clever:

none of them tried to even fix it:P

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stuarta:

no of recordings is irrelevant to the scheduler

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stuarta:

only what is in recorded and oldrecorded

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clever:

and recorded is a list of every recording

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stuarta:

2425 in old recorded, 216 in recorded

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clever:

mysql> update channel set callsign = 'WBZ' where channum in (2,106,109,110);

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clever:

Rows matched: 4 Changed: 3 Warnings: 0

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stuarta:

and reschedule

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clever:

9k in oldrecorded, 1.6k in recorded, 155 in record, and 76k in program

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stuarta:

that's a fair few :-p

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stuarta:

it's also related to your channel count

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clever:

now it goes from 36 seconds to 30

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stuarta:

\o/

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clever:

158 channels, but some of them are missing data because i just nuked the entrys in program

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stuarta:

hide the channels

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clever:

let me see how many are missing data

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clever:

38

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clever:

mysql> select * from channel where chanid not in (select distinct chanid from program);

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clever:

gold channel, nuke!

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clever:

HD channels, nuke nuke

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clever:

on demand, nuke nuke nuke nuke...

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clever:

10

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clever:

2009-05–18 08:34:54.805 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 1011 items in 28.9 = 0.08 match + 28.79 place

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clever:

back under 30 seconds!

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clever:

ncis is even worse, its on 2, 6, 116, 118, and 141!

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stuarta:

i am happy for you...

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clever:

this should put a major dent in things, if it works like you say

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stuarta:

the only way to prove it for sure is find a set of affiliate channels where 1 of them is showing something different and schedule it

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stuarta:

it or the main program

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clever:

116 and 118 are pretty much identical when i compare ncis and the 2 near it

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clever:

141 is a bit scrambled up, but still has the same shows nearby

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clever:

141 and 6 are similar

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clever:

and all of them are global

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clever:

2009-05–18 08:41:16.849 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 973 items in 29.9 = 0.21 match + 29.66 place

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stuarta:

you need more cpu

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clever:

yeah, 400mhz P2 isnt enough

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stuarta:

steam powered

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

maybe if i cancle 2 and a half men again

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clever:

2009-05–18 08:43:14.192 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 849 items in 24.5 = 0.07 match + 24.46 place

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clever:

now if i could get the whole upcoming schedule into mysql, i could easily scan for channels i wont be recording from for 2 weeks

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clever:

and just nuke them out of sight

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dibbz:

anykey__: thanks

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dibbz:

i'll try it out

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Dibblah:

clever: Have you turned on and tuned slow query logging?

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clever:

Dibblah: i beleive so

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clever:

the slowlog is 60mb in side

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clever:

oddly, i see basic selects on the jobqueue in there too

[12:39:07]

clever:

# Query_time: 0 Lock_time: 0 Rows_sent: 68 Rows_examined: 204

[12:39:46]

Dibblah:

There are twiddlables in the slow query option.

[12:40:08]

clever:

which require restarting mysql, which require shuting the entire network down

[12:40:17]

Dibblah:

Really?

[12:40:24]

Dibblah:

Are you sure about that?

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clever:

thats how most stuff in mysql.ini works

[12:41:02]

Dibblah:

Because that's the only place to change it, is it?

[12:41:06]

Dibblah:

And... mysql.ini?

[12:41:15]

clever:

my.cnf i mean

[12:41:50]

Dibblah:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/slow-query-log.html

[12:41:52]

clever:

i can clearly see the problem query when i watch the logs and cpu usgae

[12:41:58]

clever:

its the realy realy long one

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Dibblah:

No, it's not the ugly query.

[12:42:18]

Dibblah:

Because that's running in 0.23 seconds.

[12:42:30]

Dibblah:

The place is seperate queries, AFAIR.

[12:42:48]

Dibblah:

So you're looking for lots of small queries.

[12:43:46]

clever:

i can see the cpu usage is split between mysqld and mythbackend

[12:44:07]

Dibblah:

I would suggest -v scheduler

[12:44:22]

clever:

UPDATE recordmatch INNER JOIN sched_temp_record ON (recordmatch.recordid = sched_temp_record.recordid) INNER JOIN program ON (recordmatch.chanid = program .... (5 pages later)

[12:44:27]

clever:

Count: 1500 Time=39.30s (58946s) Lock=0.01s (10s) Rows=0.0 (0), mythtv[mythtv]@2hosts

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clever:

thats one of the realy painfull querys acording to the slow log

[12:44:33]

Dibblah:

And doing a timestamp diff on the log.

[12:44:54]

Dibblah:

Like I said, 1500 queries.

[12:45:25]

clever:

this is several weeks worth

[12:45:56]

clever:

let me add -v scheduler

[12:46:08]

Dibblah:

One thing that reduced my times was to change my record rules to mostly "keep at most 5" and "only record new when <5"

[12:46:18]

clever:

mythbackend -v most,nojobqueue,nocommflag,schedule,database,noplayback,trace,nosocket,nonetwork

[12:46:37]

Dibblah:

Personally, I'd just do -v record

[12:46:42]

clever:

how would limiting the number of recordings to keep affect the scheduling?

[12:46:44]

Dibblah:

Err... -v schedule, even.

[12:47:02]

Dibblah:

Because if it's not trying to schedule nearly as many programs...

[12:47:14]

clever:

ive found that it does schedule them anyways

[12:47:27]

Dibblah:

Since most of them are just "would like to see if it happens to be on"

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clever:

it plans out to record 20 of them, and wont change its mind until it actualy hits the limit

[12:48:10]

Dibblah:

(As above, though – You can tune the query log while the server is running.

[12:48:19]

clever:

and i think ive seen it expire that show when it was set to just not record

[12:48:26]

clever:

so i lost half the recordings on it

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clever:

its recording right now so i cant switch it to -v schedule

[12:52:07]

clever:

Dibblah: what am i looking for when i -v schedule?

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Essobi:

Morning.

[12:54:30]

Dibblah:

Sorry – -v schedule,database

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Dibblah:

Which, btw, will drastically (like most of your other -v options) slow things down.

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Dibblah:

Try turning off logging and observe how much faster things are.

[12:55:56]

laga:

why is that? does it block on stdout?

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clever:

i see nobody has noticed my -v trace!

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clever:

Dibblah: 27 seconds now that all -v flags have been removed

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clever:

not realy any faster

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Dibblah:

laga: Appears to depend on the FS.

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clever:

i'm using -l to nfs, to ext3

[13:00:45]

clever:

the only time i notice a major problem is when things get stuck in a inf loop and start spewing errors non-stop

[13:00:57]

Dibblah:

Your mysql server is on an NFS mount?

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clever:

the server binarys are stored on a nfs mount, but the actual datadir is localy stored

[13:01:35]

Dibblah:

And temp tables?

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clever:

let me check again

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clever:

tmpdir = /media/mythconverg/tmp/

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Dibblah:

So NFS or local?

[13:02:27]

clever:

(subdir of the dedicated db filesystem)

[13:02:31]

clever:

which is local

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Dibblah:

What's the FS? ext3?

[13:02:50]

Dibblah:

cat /proc/mounts for that fs?

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clever:

/dev/mapper/media-mythconverg on /media/mythconverg type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)

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Dibblah:

Heh.

[13:03:02]

Dibblah:

data=writeback

[13:03:06]

Dibblah:

will be faster.

[13:03:33]

Dibblah:

also noatime might help in this case.

[13:03:40]

clever:

[3494608.192008] EXT3-fs: cannot change data mode on remount

[13:03:41]

clever:

hmm

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Dibblah:

Well, not really, no – actually.

[13:03:45]

Dibblah:

No, you can't.

[13:03:46]

clever:

give me a min to shut everything down

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Dibblah:

Is that your root FS?

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clever:

nope

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clever:

root is on nfs

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clever:

but i have to stop mysql to umount

[13:04:32]

clever:

and then every myth program goes nuts

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** laga is pretty sure clever's entire network is held together by band aids and rubber bands **

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henkpoley:

What is an SCTE channel ?

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clever:

/dev/mapper/media-mythconverg on /media/mythconverg type ext3 (rw,noatime,data=writeback)

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stuarta:

you forgot sticky tape

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stuarta:

laga: ^^

[13:06:21]

clever:

Dibblah: what filesystem may do better?

[13:06:29]

clever:

its only 2gig, so i can easily backup and reformat

[13:06:34]

stuarta:

henkpoley: a plain mpeg channel basically

[13:07:02]

henkpoley:

stuarta: is that supposed to be there on DVB-C?

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clever:

2009-05–18 10:07:21.100 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 837 items in 43.0 = 8.48 match + 34.56 place

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clever:

now its gotten worse on both halves of the job:S

[13:09:49]

clever:

stuarta: what fs do you use for the mysql data dir?

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Dibblah:

..The first run will always be slow.

[13:10:55]

Dibblah:

Since it's not populated any of the caches.

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clever:

ahh yeah

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clever:

and i did fully shutdown mysql and umount

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clever:

flushed every cache i could:P

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clever:

Dibblah: testing again

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clever:

2009-05–18 10:13:26.528 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 838 items in 47.6 = 0.53 match + 47.04 place

[13:13:36]

clever:

still horid:(

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stuarta:

erm.... xfs

[13:14:37]

stuarta:

i use xfs for all my filesystems except /boot

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clever:

ive for reiser on my gentoo, and xfs on the 1tb

[13:15:35]

clever:

i'll push xfs under mythconverg and see what it does

[13:16:03]

bobbob1016:

I symlink all my media to one folder through a script I made, then I have to run the Video Manager for myth to rescan to find the media. How can I either add my script to the Video Manager launch, or run the Video Manager from my script?

[13:19:16]

stuarta:

clever: you are almost better off having a machine dedicated for mysql with the shit hardware you have

[13:19:42]

clever:

stuarta: i see another problem

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stuarta:

no more shit hardware?

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clever:

its stored on the pata drive, read speed 29mb/sec

[13:20:02]

clever:

the sata drive can read 80/sec

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stuarta:

you also need to check if mysql goes into disk wait or if it's just cpu bound

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clever:

completely cpu bound

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stuarta:

then the drive speed is irrelevant

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stuarta:

since it's most likely cached the relevant data after the first run

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clever:

yeah, thought so

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clever:

testing it with mythconverg wedged into the 1tb xfs sata

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henkpoley:

Anybody knows how long it takes to pick up EIT (guide) data from DVB? within the hour, 10 minutes ?

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clever:

nope, changing to xfs and sata didnt fix it any

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Dibblah:

pastebin your mysql.cnf

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Dibblah:

and how much RAM / swap / ...

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clever:

http://privatepaste.com/9c8Qx0TLnd

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cynicism1c:

henkpoley: should be fairly instant

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henkpoley:

Hmm

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jamiem:

hmm

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jamiem:

does mythfrontend do dynamic window resizing in the playback window?

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jamiem:

based on aspect, say

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clever:

Dibblah: in the paste is everything you asked for and more!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: check your listings for Sat May 30, 2009 (10:00 PM on mine)... Specifically, your ABC channel. Pushing Daisies (first of last 3).

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jamiem:

which table are the cutlists in, please?

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clever:

jamiem: i think its mixed in with the seek table in recordedseek

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jamiem:

ah yes; thanks.

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jamiem:

crikey.

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clever:

yes, tons and tons of data there

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clever:

select type,count(*) from recordedseek where chanid = foo and starttime = 'bar' group by type;

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clever:

jamiem: fill in the blanks, and youll see what types are used most, those are likely to be seek table related

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clever:

the rest are probly cutlist and commflag markers

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** jamiem looks **

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jamiem:

well, in the UK commflagging is a waste of time

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jamiem:

mine are all type 9 :)

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jamiem:

oh

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Dibblah:

clever: another thing that costs scheduling time is oldrecorded.

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jamiem:

that doesn't make sense :)

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Dibblah:

If that's got lots in it, then speeds go way down.

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clever:

Dibblah: 9k rows in there

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jamiem:

recordedseek doesn't prune deleted programmes?

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Dibblah:

Yes, it does.

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clever:

jamiem: it should if you delete properly

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jamiem:

oh right

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jamiem:

I have stuff from 2008 I haven't watched :/

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clever:

lol:)

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clever:

2007 in mine

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jamiem:

type 9 can't be cutlists because I only have two cutpoints but 13489 rows returned

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MavisBacon:

i'm having issues getting my wintv pvr 250 remote working. i'm using the config files here: http://jeremysands.com/?p=46, and i get this when i start mythfrontend: "lirc init success using configuration file: /home/tyson/.mythtv/lircrc", i see characters when i press buttons during a cat /dev/lirc, but in mythfrontend the buttons do nothing. any ideas?

[13:46:39]

janneg:

type 9 is MARK_GOP_BY_FRAME

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clever:

jamiem: then pull out everything that isnt 9

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janneg:

jamiem: the cut list is in recordedmarkup

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clever:

that appears to be a virtualy identical table:S

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jamiem:

thanks

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** jamiem looks **

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clever:

offset -> data

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jamiem:

ooh

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clever:

alot less data

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** jamiem is trying gopchop where I get "one buffer is full..." errors **

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jamiem:

hmph

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jamiem:

well that wasn't straightforward

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MavisBacon:

:/

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MavisBacon:

mode2 --raw pukes out data when i press buttons also

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jamiem:

oh

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jamiem:

it's losses in the MPEG-PS to MPEG2 conversion making me off-kilter :(

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CShadowRun:

Can any one help me setup my ATI Remote wonder with mythbuntu?

[14:28:37]

CShadowRun:

It works but most of the buttons arn't bound to anything

[14:28:51]

CShadowRun:

so up/down/left/right/enter works. That's about it lol

[14:28:55]

CShadowRun:

the rest of the remote is uselss

[14:29:01]

CShadowRun:

but it all shows up in xev so the remote it working and the computer recieves

[14:31:41]

henkpoley:

What is the preferred way to fix moved (by cable provider) DVB-C frequencies ?

[14:32:50]

henkpoley:

CShadowRun: Is the ATI remote just a keyboard, to linux? if you can tell me where Ubuntu stores it's "final bootup commands" then I could look it up for you

[14:33:12]

clever:

henkpoley: /etc/rc.local like most distros

[14:33:13]

henkpoley:

I have the remapping software on my system, but haven't look at the thing since january 2008

[14:33:17]

CShadowRun:

henkpoley, i think it is just a keyboard

[14:33:48]

henkpoley:

CShadowRun: input-kbd

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henkpoley:

thanks clever

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CShadowRun:

i read that you could make it work with lirc instead of the ati_remote module

[14:35:21]

CShadowRun:

but i never could make it work, even following the guide

[14:35:41]

CShadowRun:

the guide seems a bit...weird though

[14:36:17]

CShadowRun:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_Remote_Wonder#Mythbuntu_8.10

[14:37:14]

CShadowRun:

henkpoley, will input-kbd mess with the computers actual keyboard too?

[14:37:19]

CShadowRun:

because the computer has a keyboard/mouse and remote

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sphery:

CShadowRun: I have the ATI Remote Wonder (not II, not Plus) working fine with LIRC using atilibusb driver (user-space, no kernel mods). Only thing that seems necessary is to not load ati_remote kernel module.

[14:44:39]

CShadowRun:

sphery, exactly what i have :)

[14:45:16]

CShadowRun:

so i add ati_remote to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf

[14:45:27]

sphery:

sure...

[14:45:38]

sphery:

and make sure your distro provides the atilibusb driver

[14:45:52]

CShadowRun:

i'm running mythbuntu, any idea how i check?

[14:46:00]

** jamiem was pleased to get a non-apple remote to work with his Mac Mini Myth today **

[14:46:10]

jamiem:

six buttons was somewhat restrictive

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sphery:

some distros chose other ATI LIRC drivers--often the inputdev one (whatever it's called)

[14:46:26]

sphery:

CShadowRun: sorry, I know nothing of *buntu/Debian

[14:46:37]

CShadowRun:

sphery, yea looking at lsmod i have lirc_atiusb, lirc_dev and ati_remote

[14:46:48]

stuarta:

jamiem: what sort of remote?

[14:46:54]

sphery:

yeah, to use atilibusb, you can't load any of those :)

[14:47:08]

CShadowRun:

hehe, so blacklist the lot of them?

[14:47:14]

sphery:

could try it

[14:47:29]

sphery:

or, you may have better luck using the driver that your packagers decided was appropriate for your distro

[14:47:38]

sphery:

(perhaps those in #ubuntu-mythtv could help with that)

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CShadowRun:

well i'm not having much luck with it as i say

[14:48:06]

CShadowRun:

most of the remote doesn't work

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CShadowRun:

i got up, down, left, right, numbers and enter. that's it lol

[14:48:29]

sphery:

basically, the fact that there are 4 or more LIRC drivers for the RW is very confusing, especially to packagers who haven't had the opportunity to test them all and compare them for benefits/disadvantages

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CShadowRun:

well i'll just try and copy you for now since you have it working

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sphery:

that behavior sounds like exactly what you'd get from using the ati_remote kernel module

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sphery:

i.e. keyboard keys work

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CShadowRun:

yup

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sphery:

good luck--sorry I can't be more help, but at least you have a success story

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CShadowRun:

hehe

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sphery:

(so you know it's not an impossible goal :)

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CShadowRun:

well i'm gonna try with atilibusb if i can

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CShadowRun:

anything i need to know about it?

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sphery:

no... for me it just worked when I made sure none of the kernel modules were loaded

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sphery:

just get lircd started, then use irrecord to make a conf file

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sphery:

or maybe without lircd--I don't remember (been a while :)

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** jamiem thinks without **

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jamiem:

irrecord -H (macmini) -d (/dev/usb/hiddev0) (/etc/lirc/lircd.conf)

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CShadowRun:

hehe

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stuarta:

jamiem: is that mini running osx or linux?

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jamiem:

weenux

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jamiem:

. o O ( that was childish )

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jamiem:

Debian x86

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stuarta:

sounds like a cross between a small weiner and a tux

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stuarta:

ah k.

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sphery:

yeah, I've been using the same lircd.conf for years, and now I just do the math to change remote codes (i.e. from channel 1 to 16 just add 0x1000)

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jamiem:

my DVD-RW has stopped working :'(

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** stuarta wonders when he'll get his mini back :-/ **

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sphery:

(technically, it's only 0x1000 with my post_data_bits of 16 with post_data of 0x0)

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wagnerrp:

sphery, you do a lot of tech support... youll enoy this one

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sphery:

wagnerrp: your reply on "Graphical Launcher Plugin" brings back memories of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk8hxjpnUiw

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wagnerrp:

my cousin has a knack of downloading crapware and breaking his computer

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wagnerrp:

well he was recently told by a friend that he 'needed more options for his operating' and to download linux

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wagnerrp:

i think you can imagine where this is going...

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sphery:

I'm guessing it went downhill :)

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wagnerrp:

all i know is they have one less functional computer

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

http://xkcd.com/349/\

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sphery:

http://xkcd.com/349/

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sphery:

oops

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wagnerrp:

is that the BSD one?

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

and sharks

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sphery:

exactly

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wagnerrp:

are you implying linux has no games

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wagnerrp:

well theres tux racer... i beat it, but its a good game

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CShadowRun:

haha

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CShadowRun:

wagnerrp, come on you could so do better than tux racer

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CShadowRun:

savage 2, quake, unreal, wine+HL2 :P

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jamiem:

angband?

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stuarta:

now angband was a classic

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wagnerrp:

whats that thing, where penguins have a snoball gun, and they have to knock out like colored snowballs above?

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jamiem:

Acid?

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wagnerrp:

CShadowRun: i didnt bring it up, tell sphery

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CShadowRun:

hehe

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CShadowRun:

anyone know where i put my lirc file to make it be loaded?

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wagnerrp:

for mythtv or otherwise?

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jamiem:

:S

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CShadowRun:

mythtv

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wagnerrp:

most apps use ~/.lircrc, mythtv uses ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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CShadowRun:

this guide says ~/.lirc/mythtv but it doesn't seem to be having much effect

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CShadowRun:

that explains it :P

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jamiem:

$mythuser ~/.lircrc seems to work too

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wagnerrp:

that guide probably has everything in ~/.lirc/ included by ~/.lircrc, and then links ~/.mythtv/lircrc to that file

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CShadowRun:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_Remote_Wonder#Mythbuntu_8.10

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CShadowRun:

it doesn't say to do any of that :)

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wagnerrp:

no, mythbuntu would be set up to automatically do that

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wagnerrp:

they just dont explain why theyre not doing it in the default manner

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CShadowRun:

i see

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CShadowRun:

well i still can't seem to get my remote to do anything besides in irrecord

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CShadowRun:

it works there

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CShadowRun:

oh, i think theres 2 config files i need?

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wagnerrp:

see look, right in the guide in the lircrc file 'Remember to ln -s ./.mythtv/lircrc to ../.lircrc for mplayer to work!'

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wagnerrp:

the sample lircrc file knows where its supposed to go

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CShadowRun:

yea thats just for mplayer

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CShadowRun:

i havn't got it working _at all_ yet

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CShadowRun:

not in mythtv or anywhere

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wagnerrp:

well thats because you didnt put that file where it expects, ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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CShadowRun:

where do i put lircd.conf?

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wagnerrp:

somewhere in /etc

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CShadowRun:

ok

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wagnerrp:

lircd.conf is how lircd knows how to read your receiver inputs

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wagnerrp:

lircrc is how your applications know how to read lircd inputs

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wagnerrp:

anyway, as i said, ubuntu seems to do things differently

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wagnerrp:

the base ~/.lircrc file just includes all files in ~/.lirc/

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wagnerrp:

and ~/.mythtv/lircrc is linked to ~/.lircrc

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wagnerrp:

while that seems to make more sense for cleaning up files

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wagnerrp:

that is exactly why help with ubuntu/mythbuntu usually get sent to their respective irc channels

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wagnerrp:

they changed a lot of things from the defaults, making it difficult to lend support when things arent where we expect them to be

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CShadowRun:

woo, sucess

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CShadowRun:

i got it :)

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CShadowRun:

thanks guys :D

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arrasz_:

hei i have a question how to configure alsa correctly so that mythtv and it's plugins can regulate volume (up/down/mute)

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arrasz_:

since the update to 9.04 this isn't working anymore :(

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sphery:

wagnerrp: just meant that using MythGame to launch whatever program--i.e. GIMP--is kind of reminiscent of the part where he's listing all the games for Macs and says PhotoShop under his breath

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wagnerrp:

oh, i didnt catch that apparently

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wilberfan:

anyone know if myth works well with KDE4 ??

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gbee:

they don't interfere with each other if that's what you mean

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wilberfan:

gbee, yeah, i meant to they play well together...

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wilberfan:

*do*

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wilberfan:

no reason NOT to use KDE4 with a new myth install...

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wagnerrp:

the only issues that might crop up would be the bar on top of full-screen myth

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wilberfan:

wagnerrp, oh, you mean the 'taskbar' (or whatever it's called) at the bottom?

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wagnerrp:

i know that can be a problem with gnome

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wagnerrp:

but other than that, mythtv is just another application, what is there to conflict?

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arrasz_:

hei i have a question how to configure alsa correctly so that mythtv and it's plugins can regulate volume (up/down/mute)

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arrasz_:

since the update to 9.04 this isn't work anymore

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heyheyhey:

has anyone ever seen this nvp(1), error: timed out waiting for prebuffering too long. exiting..?

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arrasz_:

is mythbuntu using pulseaudio too like kubuntu?

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arrasz_:

as far as i can see it is NOT using pulseaudio

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MavisBacon:

i'm having issues getting my wintv pvr 250 remote working. i'm using the config files here: http://jeremysands.com/?p=46, and i get this when i start mythfrontend: "lirc init success using configuration file: /home/tyson/.mythtv/lircrc", i see characters when i press buttons during a cat /dev/lirc, but in mythfrontend the buttons do nothing. any ideas?

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JEDIDIAH__:

hullo

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JEDIDIAH__:

what's the local timezone override (environment variable) so I don't have to bugger my /etc/timezone file again?

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ebil|work:

is there a 'good way' to link a mythtv frontend to a backend over a low bandwith link such as, say, the internet?

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kormoc:

No

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ebil|work:

are there any not so good ways? lol

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: why is your /etc/timezone not working?

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JEDIDIAH__:

it got "upgraded"

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RyeBrye:

ebil|work: yeah, not so good way would be to try to link a frontend to a backend over the net... using a VPN or something to make it on the same LAN

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kormoc:

ebil|work, not really, they're all very painful and tend not to work as well. Consider if taking a minute to change screens is acceptable or not

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sphery:

ebil|work: none you will find out about here... that's far too close to illegally distributing content, discussion of which is not allowed here (nor condoned by the project)

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: it should still work... I'm trying to find out if we need to fix the time zone code, again

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: so specifically, what doesn't work?

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JEDIDIAH__:

America/Chicago vs. US/Central

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Dagmar:

This should be equivalemt

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ebil|work:

sphery: ahh, ok. a better question then (maybe) is it possible to sync two backends (live-tv is not required)?

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Dagmar:

You shoudln't have to sync them

[18:18:58]

Dagmar:

One is slave, the other is master.

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5872

[18:19:04]

Dagmar:

The rest, they handle on their own

[18:19:14]

kormoc:

ebil|work, not really, it's the same issue as a remote FE

[18:19:21]

heyheyhey:

has anyone ever seen this nvp(1), error: timed out waiting for prebuffering too long. exiting..?

[18:19:44]

kormoc:

heyheyhey, yes, and there's a huge wiki article listing solutions

[18:19:48]

sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: if you really can't patch it (though I don't know why, if you're running trunk, patching wouldn't be an option), use (before starting Myth apps): export TZ='<whatever the master backend uses>'

[18:21:32]

heyheyhey:

kormoc do have the link

[18:21:50]

heyheyhey:

it only does the error when i fast forward on dvd

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JEDIDIAH__:

thx

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sphery:

heyheyhey: if it's only during fast forward, your system probably isn't keeping up... solution: (as the doctor said) "Well, then, don't do that."

[18:25:08]

sphery:

heyheyhey: use skip/jump instead of fast forward

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heyheyhey:

lol

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Prebuffering_pause if you're interested, but FFWD is a waste, anyway :)

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stonith:

I'm thinking of building a couple of front-end systems. I do not want to netboot, I would like to either use a compact flash card or usb drive? Which one is better?

[18:26:09]

sphery:

FFWD is a relic we inherited from old sequential-access recording devices (such as the VCR)

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heyheyhey:

sphery well on skip chapter it does same thing

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sphery:

assuming that's actually reading from a DVD disc (not an ISO of a DVD on a HDD), sounds like you need to change the DVD drive speed (increase it)

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heyheyhey:

yeah

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heyheyhey:

well i ripped it as iso

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heyheyhey:

well skip chapter works but it will fail

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heyheyhey:

i thinking since the drive with dvds on it is a filing system of ext3

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heyheyhey:

i am think i should change it to xfs

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BadSector:

hello all.. I have a card=36 – Lifeview FlyVideo 98FM LR50 / Typhoon TView TV/FM Tuner ... does anyone know if this card supports multi-streams? Or would this card just be able to record and not record and playback?

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iamlindoro:

That's an analog card-- analog cards are only capable of a single recording per tuner

[18:43:39]

iamlindoro:

So you can record one thing at a time

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iamlindoro:

you can also watch the thing you are recording while oyu record it, but just one thing

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BadSector:

well. .. still better than just record only.. thanks!

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iamlindoro:

No such thing as record only

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iamlindoro:

As playback has nothing to do with the card

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Essobi:

Hmm... So umm.. What I've read what DVB-S/T is.. but how do I know what I can pickup where I'm located?

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BadSector:

i c!

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iamlindoro:

Essobi: Erm, isn't Insight in the US?

[18:45:23]

iamlindoro:

There

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Essobi:

iamlindoro: Ayup.. In the US.

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iamlindoro:

There's no DVB-T in the USA, and little to no DVB-S

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Essobi:

iamlindoro: Ah..

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Essobi:

iamlindoro: So how do I know if DVB-C cards will work with my cable?

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iamlindoro:

There's no DVB-C in the US either

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Essobi:

I mean.. do they all pretty much work..

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Essobi:

Awww.

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Essobi:

Damnit.

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iamlindoro:

USA is QAM

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Essobi:

So it's either Analogue or a Haup box on my cable STB decoder?

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iamlindoro:

Terrestrial broadcasts in the US are ATSC (where other places have DVB-T), and digital cable is QAM (where others have DVB-C)

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iamlindoro:

No, you can capture a little bit digitally, we just don't use DVB

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Essobi:

Oh..

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Essobi:

So there's QAM cap cards?

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Essobi:

Hmm.

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iamlindoro:

Assuming your cable is broadcasting digitally, you would use a QAM tuner

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Essobi:

There's analogue and QAM.

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iamlindoro:

Which will probably get you a smattering of channels

[18:47:54]

iamlindoro:

Yes, analog and QAM, but the two are seperate entities

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Essobi:

Can QAM do 1080p?

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iamlindoro:

QAM doesn't care what the resolution of the source material is-- but nobody broadcasts 1080p

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iamlindoro:

Broadcast television goes up to 1080i

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Essobi:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Louisville%2C_KY_40205 <-- Looks like someone has tested 12 channels on my cable..

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iamlindoro:

So that's about what you'd get with a QAM card

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Essobi:

Bleh.

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Essobi:

I get more then that on analog.

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android6011:

for hd content will a nvidia 8600 gt card be a big improvement over onboard 7100?

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Essobi:

I get like 40 channels on analog..

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sphery:

guess I won't answer android

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iamlindoro:

Know patience know answer!

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

that's good...

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Dagmar:

It certainly beats the other whiny aphorism

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Dagmar:

"Know jesus, know peace — no jesus, I'm a self-righteous jackass"

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mphill:

with mythtv can you have it scan a cifs shares for movies like xvid or dvd iso's?

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Dagmar:

Myt6hTV doesn't care or know about different filesystems.

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Dagmar:

Either you have these filesystems mounted properly and they look like local files, or you just don't get them

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mphill:

i don't want to have to mount the shares though, can I tell it like smb://server/movies or does it have to be mounted?

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Dagmar:

You can reread what I just typed.

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mphill:

mounted properly is slightly ambigous. mounted as root, mounted through fuse? i will just play around and figure it out myself

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gbee:

actually mythmusic hates cifs (rightly)

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stonith:

anyone using the Command IR II (http://www.commandir.com) with lirc to control multiple STB with their mythtv backend?

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mkrufky:

ok, since the people here in #mythtv-users got me into facebook to begin with, i choose to share this bit of eye candy:

[21:20:12]

mkrufky:

log into facebook, then enter in the Konami Code:

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mkrufky:

up up down down left right left right B A <enter> then start typing or click your mouse

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iamlindoro:

Mmm, lens flare, the most evil of Photoshop filters

[21:33:40]

kormoc:

Lens flares to infinity and beyond!

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oobe:

iamlindoro, remember when i said i wanted someone to add an option to use mythvideo to play a file from mythvideo well someone made a patch for it actually 2 people made patches

[21:33:58]

oobe:

that made me happy

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

Mythvideo to play a file from mythvideo?

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iamlindoro:

department of redundancy department!

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oobe:

woops i meant default player

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I still think that's a silly idea

[21:34:58]

iamlindoro:

People's hackiness drives me crazy sometimes

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mkrufky:

yeah pretty cool tho

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** kormoc blinks and shrugs **

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kormoc:

I don't get it (tm)(r)

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oobe:

like so if you have a file that wont work in internal instead of changing that extension to default player all you have to do is select play with default player

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iamlindoro:

Rather than make any effort to help improve the internal player, people want to play with nine different players, shell scripts, etc.

[21:35:54]

** iamlindoro counts the number of samples submitted for the internal player playing people's files wrong **

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mkrufky:

my "pretty cool tho" was about the lens flare ...

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iamlindoro:

oh yeah, still zero

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oobe:

i cant improve the internal player

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iamlindoro:

oobe: You have a rare genetic defect that makes submitting a bug ticket impossible?

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oobe:

i spose i can add info about the files that wont play to mailing lists but thats about it

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iamlindoro:

Uhhh... why is that about it?

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iamlindoro:

What's so hard about uploading samples, filling out a ticket, and clicking submit?

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iamlindoro:

and possibly including some logs?

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oobe:

yeah i could do that

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iamlindoro:

lots of people *could*, nobody *does*

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iamlindoro:

They're rather make myth a hacky shitmess

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** iamlindoro kicks himself **

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oobe:

some wmv seem to work but others dont infact mplayer goes out of sync with wmv9

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oobe:

most mp4s play fine for me but some dont

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iamlindoro:

There, I feel like I've learned from my mistakes

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oobe:

so beable to switch player is useful

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kormoc:

Really? you've just joined the top 1% of humanity!

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gbee:

no great surprise since mp4 is just a container format, codecs could be anything

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iamlindoro:

Useful is *not* the same as right

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iamlindoro:

Turning myth into a load of poopcrapgarbage workarounds is NOT the right way to solve propblems

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gbee:

oobe: more useful would be the internal player playing those files without error, something that won't ever happen if people don't report the problems properly and supply files demonstrating the issues

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oobe:

gbee, i know but you change the player by file extension

[21:41:07]

oobe:

yeah i know iamlindoro already made that point

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kormoc:

oobe, the point being the extension is typically the container and has no bearing with actual codecs, so then what happens when one codec doesn't play in the external and one doesn't play in the external and they share the same extension?

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kormoc:

*internal should be one of those two externals

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oobe:

infact i had this discussion before with justinh he thinks that default external player should be removed completly

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iamlindoro:

I agree with him

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gbee:

iamlindoro: think some of the reluctance in the past has come from people not wanting to put pirated content up as samples because they are ashamed of people knowing they are thieves

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Dagmar:

Let's _not_ be as stupid as Microsoft in the 80's and decide the filename has any importance

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kormoc:

As do I

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I think you're right

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iamlindoro:

gbee: That said, a 10–20 MB sample, regardless of source, named appropriately, obscures the source and we can get on with the fixing

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oobe:

gbee, or porn

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gbee:

Dagmar: aye, the switching has to be done

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oobe:

i mainly use default player for porn

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Dagmar:

TMI

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gbee:

err, should be done using the codec, not the extension

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oobe:

some of witch is pretty rare fetish stuff so i dont think people would appreciate my samples

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Dagmar:

TMI

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kormoc:

christ... restraint dude... restraint...

[21:43:59]

kormoc:

oh wait... that's a bad choice of words with the topic at hand....

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Dagmar:

...unless youv'e got that one of the pink-haired punk chick with multicolor wings tattooed on her back

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Dagmar:

(okay so I just made that bit up)

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gbee:

neat, paulh has gone ahead and done what I couldn't be bothered to do :)

[21:44:50]

oobe:

im not ashamed of it i just dont think its appropriate

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kormoc:

right, which is why it's better to say, it's material that I'm unwilling to share rather then go into detail bout it...

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iamlindoro:

So, anyone catch the CNN story yesterday about the 4 Deserts races?

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Dagmar:

Did Neopolitan win?

[21:48:13]

iamlindoro:

Each race is 6 days of back to back marathons across a desert, with each being among the driest on earth?

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Dagmar:

...or was it freaking Banana Split agin?

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iamlindoro:

ie Gobi, Sahara, Atacama, Outback

[21:48:45]

iamlindoro:

I'm doing the atacama (Chile) one next year :)

[21:49:05]

iamlindoro:

Nothing like running 6 consecutive marathons in shin-deep sand, heh

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gbee:

iamlindoro: well it was nice knowing you ;)

[21:52:37]

iamlindoro:

I'll totally-probably survive!

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gbee:

heh, Friends of the Earth issue stock reply to local rubbish incinerator proposal without doing their homework – "A spokesperson from Friends of the Earth had said residents should be encouraged to recycle rather than send rubbish to waste disposal plants" ... umm, everyone in the county has been forced to recycle everything possible for a few years now ...

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oobe:

example reason to use default player //www.mailinglistarchive.com/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/msg77937.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/mythtv-user . . . sg77937.html

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iamlindoro:

Anything without a bug report and sample is an excuse, not a reason

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Dave123:

anyone here use myth on powerpc?

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kormoc:

oobe, ffmpeg (http://www.ffmpeg.org/) claims WMV9 support

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RyeBrye:

Dave123: I have used myth on ppc on OSX before

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Dave123:

RyeBrye, looking for some help on the linux side

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** RyeBrye hasn't done that before, sorry **

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Essobi:

Hmm... Anyone know how to get VLC to stream from mythweb?

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Essobi:

Mine won't seem to do it..

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Dagmar:

Enjoy writing that code.

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Essobi:

Dagmar: .... what?

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jdblack:

Is there a way to set fill according to tv show?

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Essobi:

Dagmar: There's already a link to stream recordings from the web...

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Essobi:

I'm assuming it's just a codec issue.

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gbee:

VLC uses ffmpeg, just like myth

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Dagmar:

VLC isn't what's being used to stream, last time I looked anyway

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Essobi:

On mythweb... .22..

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gbee:

jdblack: maybe in the playback group settings, just don't ask how that works since I've never looked at it

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Essobi:

There's an option under recording to stream via an ASX encaped stream

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gbee:

Dagmar: he's playing back, not streaming with VLC

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Essobi:

I was trying to open ...

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Dagmar:

That would make it a VLC problem and not a MythTV problem then

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jdblack:

gbee: Yeah. Looked there. That seems like the right place, but just playback speed.

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Essobi:

gbee: Umm.. no.. I'm talking about streaming recordings from mythweb.. onto a windows client.

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Dagmar:

...but just the same I'm betting it's a "user didn't configure mythweb completely" problem

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** gbee hands out umbrellas as confusion reigns **

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Essobi:

lol

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Essobi:

Okay so, it's a "you don't know how to do that" problem. *SNICKER*

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Dagmar:

There's just a few more lines in the configuration fragment that Mythwwb ships with that you'll have to uncomment

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Dagmar:

It's not that huge of a deal. You should be able to find it just knowing it exists

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Essobi:

Dagmar: It attempts to stream it... just looks like VLC doesn't know how to render it.

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Dagmar:

Does windows media player know how to play it?

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Dagmar:

Oh, and you pretty much can't skip around

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gbee:

jdblack: ok, guess no-one has ever implemented it, there is a patch in Trac which auto-detects the correct fill based on the position and size of the black bars, but IIRC it's written against trunk

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Dagmar:

The ASX streaming thing is still basically plain HTTP streaming

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Essobi:

Dagmar: Nope.. windows media and vlc won't open it, hence my assumption I need a codec.. just not sure what it uses.

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gbee:

Essobi: streams the raw file, no re-encoding is done

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Essobi:

.... Okay, so if I record from a lamegrabber... what is that on disk? lol

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Dagmar:

Nipplevideo?

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Essobi:

NIPPLES WEEEE!

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gbee:

mpeg4 part2 and mp3 in a NUV container

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Essobi:

Hmmm.. wierd.

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jdblack:

gbee: Ok. Thanks.

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gbee:

NUV because at the time it satisfied all the criteria, i.e. it supported filestored seektables and the required codecs, which were then limited by the ability of ffmpeg to encode in those formats

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gbee:

it's never been re-written to allow other codecs/containers because no-one uses lamegrabbers anymore

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Essobi:

Hehe..

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gbee:

mpeg4 part2 and mp3 were at the time the best available formats in the quality/filesize tradeoff, arguably it should have gone to ogg for audio

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gbee:

a lot of people would like to see AVC for video, though most people still using lamegrabbers are also running hardware which just wouldn't be capable of realtime AVC encoding

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Essobi:

gbee: no diggity

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jdblack:

how could I have 2044 shows recorded, and feel like there's nothing to watch.

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wagnerrp:

gbee: (at least with the quality settings i run at) my desktop isnt even capable of realtime AVC encoding

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gbee:

jdblack: it happens :)

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gbee:

Essobi: VLC being based on ffmpeg should have no problems with NUV, at least assuming it's recent

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jdblack:

have I metaphorically turned into one of those old man surrounded by stacks of newspapers 20 years old?

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gbee:

check if direct download is working, if not then that indicates it's a mythweb/permissions problem

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Essobi:

gbee: So it's a mpeg4 codec? yes? I'll make sure it's updated.

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wagnerrp:

Essobi: no, its a container

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gbee:

NUV is a container, the codecs used are mpeg4 and mp3

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GreyFoxx:

nuv is a container that nothing but myth usses

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GreyFoxx:

and the myth implementation varied from the original

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Essobi:

Oh..

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wagnerrp:

the codecs we know are supported, the container is what is in question

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GreyFoxx:

and since myth uyses it more than anyone myth is sorta now the nuv standard :)

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Essobi:

Right right..

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wagnerrp:

sophos antivirus released a klingon language pack....

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gbee:

myth grabbed an up and coming hip new container format that unfortunately fizzled and died shortly afterwards

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jdblack:

whoah. my tivo is horked up. 1 week with myth hooked up to my tv, and it got jealous!

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Dagmar:

It would have done better if they'd spelt "nipple" correctly.

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wagnerrp:

well then people would have complained because there was no porn

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wagnerrp:

they had been misled

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jdblack:

I looked at that once. I can't remember why, but it has some interesting properties.

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jdblack:

Something that made it a great recording format.

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wagnerrp:

what? nipple videos?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, So Chuck is officially renewed if you hadn't heard

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jdblack:

more like "automatic aereola enhancements"

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jdblack:

So is dollhouse!

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Dagmar:

How in the hell is that possible?

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Dagmar:

DId someone lie to Fox to make them think no one was watching it?

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iamlindoro:

The dollhouse bit is older news

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iamlindoro:

That's been known since Saturday

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iamlindoro:

The Chuck renewal was today

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Dagmar:

I keep waiting for them to do a press release telling everyone they were kidding--of course they cancelled Dollhouse.

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wagnerrp:

im not sure how well chuck will go on, now that he knows ju jit su

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jdblack:

yeah... everyone's been predicting cancellation since before the pilot.

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Dagmar:

Cuz that's what Fox does

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jdblack:

Yup

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wagnerrp:

it just wont be the same

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I think they'll start with Chuck riding a water-ski over a live shark

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jdblack:

have some faith. They'll kill JJ or something.

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jdblack:

"JJ Abrams was killed and eaten by a fox during the rcording of the second episode of the second season."

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wagnerrp:

JJ was fringe, not dollhouse

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iamlindoro:

Erm... except JJ Abrams isn't involced in either show

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iamlindoro:

involved

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wagnerrp:

oh? just bad robot productions?

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iamlindoro:

(Chuck or Dollhouse)

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jdblack:

Oh, it's Joss that does dollhouse.

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Dagmar:

I'd have lost money betting Fox would renew Dollhouse, just because they've been so immune to clue in the past

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sphery:

but JJ/Bad Robot did the new Star Trek

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jdblack:

which didn't suck.

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iamlindoro:

Yes, JJ has been quite consistently good

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jdblack:

yeah. The world is upside down.

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sphery:

(I was just surprised to see Bad Robot's name on the movie because I had only seen it on TV shows)

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Dagmar:

Well, at least it didn't go "Grrr... Argh..."

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sphery:

but it makes sense that they'd use the same production company/name since it's JJ's

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bobbob1016:

Dagmar: I'm watching it. I actually think it's good. Would I prefer them to cancel Dollhouse and bring Firefly back? Yes. Is that going to happen? No.

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sphery:

I like Grrr... Argh...

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jdblack:

wtf? jj wrote armageddon?

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jduggan:

i thought jj was involved with fringe?

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Dagmar:

bobbob1016: There's a popular theory that Joss was deliberately low-balling them with an extra helping of T&A/fetishism just to see if he could make a show they wouldn't cancel after one season

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bobbob1016:

sphery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WYs5K2glrk

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sphery:

heh

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bobbob1016:

Dagmar: I think it's an interesting idea, and the fact that the T&A is Eliza Dushku doesn't hurt. Dr Horrible was great too.

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sphery:

jduggan: my only theory about Armageddon is that Michael Bay is a larger negative than J.J. is a positive

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sphery:

then again, that was only a year after Gone Fishin', so maybe he wasn't fully J.J.'ed, yet

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jdblack:

I'm gonna have to change my nick to jzblack or something

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sphery:

oops

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sphery:

sorry

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jdblack:

needed time to ripern?

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jdblack:

not your fault.

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sphery:

combination of 2 lines right next to each other and autocomplete

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jdblack is now known as xjblack

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xjblack:

This would work...

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sphery:

xduggan: good idea :)

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xjblack:

/kb sphery

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xjblack:

Heh.

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

had too look up kb (I don't know IRC)

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xjblack:

Ok, so jj = lost, joss = serenity ?

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sphery:

or how to spell, "to," it seems

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wagnerrp:

well... except that lost lasted 5 seasons

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sphery:

right, jj=lost and fringe, joss = firefly (and serenity) and buffy and angel and dollhouse

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sphery:

jj didn't do all 5 seasons?

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jduggan:

i tell you what sucks, they killed off prison break :\ good show was that

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jduggan:

although it had run its course i guess

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sphery:

first year was good... after the, er, Prison Break, they were just stretching to make it work

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i thought he was doing analogies, and 5 seasons of lost doesnt match with half of one for firefly

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sphery:

ohhh... got it

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sphery:

I thought he was just trying to get straight whose project was whose

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xjblack:

I've never seen prison break. How many years does it take to break out of jail?

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sphery:

one, then they make stuff up that stretches the limits of verisimilitude

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wagnerrp:

didnt they get put back into some tijuana prison?

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sphery:

not mexico... costa rica?

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sphery:

something like that

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sphery:

and how he got there was a stretch in and of itself

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wagnerrp:

i stopped watching about halfway through the second season

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jduggan:

panama

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sphery:

that's it

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wagnerrp:

about the point i realized it had lost all sense of direction

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jduggan:

nah good characters

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jduggan:

i think season 2 it got lost

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jduggan:

but they found a place to take the story

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wagnerrp:

i mean you want to have a directionless show, thats fine

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sphery:

what? just because they cut the head off one of the best characters in season 2 and then brought her back in season 3, you think the show lost direction?

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wagnerrp:

but dont make an episodic show with no direction

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wagnerrp:

wait... what?

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jduggan:

sphery: hehhe

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wagnerrp:

they kill off the prison doctor chick?

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xjblack:

?? is this soap opera/

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

and then decide that the show needed more women, and brought her back?

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jduggan:

wagnerrp: in 2 yes, in 3 we realise it was a faked death

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jduggan:

also

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xjblack:

how do you fake decapitation?

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wagnerrp:

how do you fake loss of ones head

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sphery:

made up a story to try to convince us that Lincoln was hallucinating the resemblance to her when he saw the head in the box in S2

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jduggan:

apparently end of 22 that original agent comes back

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jduggan:

he wasnt dead

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jduggan:

but i havent seen 22 yet

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sphery:

but it was really her

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wagnerrp:

in season four, we find out the lawyer from the first season is still alive, and held captive at the ranch

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xjblack:

Sounds like passions. Prison break have a magic dwarf yet?

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wagnerrp:

no, but one of the seasons turned out to be a drug induced dream sequence

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sphery:

on tv.com's prison break page ( http://www.tv.com/prison-break/show/31635/summary.html ) in "From the Forums": What is up with the date of Michaels tombstone? why does it say 11.04.05(4th sept.05)? Shouldn't it be something like 2012?

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sphery:

how do you get 4th sept 05 from 11.04.05?

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Dagmar:

yay drugs

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wagnerrp:

they saw 11, and thought september

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xjblack:

I've seen worse. My ex-wife thinks alaska is an island.

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wagnerrp:

well in a sense, it is

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wagnerrp:

its separated from the rest of the US, and theres some pretty harsh terrain between us and it

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Dagmar:

Just because Canada isn't Mexico doesn't mean the northern border is a beach

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