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[00:38:32] ** f0urtyfive waves **
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[00:41:13] f0urtyfive: I'm getting a loud buzzing noise when my tuner is hooked up (through my speakers)
[00:41:17] f0urtyfive: any way to filter that?
[00:42:13] clever: i have a similar problem, which i can solve by grounding the coax shield properly
[00:42:31] f0urtyfive: hmmm
[00:43:23] f0urtyfive: what do you ground it to?
[00:44:04] clever: i took one of the lighting protector things
[00:45:42] clever: http://www.hardwarestore.com/media/product/102872_front200.jpg
[00:45:49] f0urtyfive: ah...
[00:45:51] clever: this power bar has one at the very end, though you dont need the whole thing
[00:45:53] f0urtyfive: I have one of those somewhere here
[00:46:06] clever: youll get the same fix if you disconnect the coax
[00:46:22] clever: my problem is at the frontend, so i can do without the coax for an hour to test it
[00:48:03] f0urtyfive: hmmm... mine got quieter not totally gone tho
[00:48:06] f0urtyfive: probably a crappy ground
[00:51:57] f0urtyfive: lol, now I broke alsa.
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[01:41:27] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: !seen mzb
[01:41:27] MythLogBot: mzb was last seen 1 day 6 hours 42 minutes 37 seconds ago
[01:41:40] mzb_: *yawn*
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[01:42:05] ** mzb_ pokes J-e-f-f-A|wintel with a sharp Linux-shaped stick **
[01:42:23] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: hi mzb_... had a power outage and lost a hdd... :-(
[01:42:34] mzb_: uh-oh
[01:43:14] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Not too bad... just one 500 out of a storage group of 6... it comes up intermittently – trying to get it to come up now to see what I can offload to a firewire 500GB drive...
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[01:43:45] mzb_: ah
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[01:44:20] ** iamlindoro eyes the stack of 1.5 TB drives on his desk **
[01:45:27] ** mzb_ remembers why he hid all his downstairs ;P **
[01:45:35] mzb_: ;)
[01:46:33] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: How effective is the 'smart' monitoring?
[01:47:11] iamlindoro: apparently poor on some modern drives, kormoc mentioned the manufacturers have tacked on proprietary extensions that render the open source tools very hit or miss
[01:47:52] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: ugh... can't get the drive to be seen at all now... must have gone completly south... DOH!
[01:48:43] iamlindoro: Was going to buy a gaggle of 2.0 TB drives but the $/GB ratio is all wrong plus it's most dominated by Seagate which I'll never buy again
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[01:49:45] f0urtyfive: :( anyone using a hauppage 1250?
[01:49:55] iamlindoro: many people
[01:50:27] iamlindoro: But rather than ask that question, why not ask your actual question?
[01:50:39] kormoc: J-e-f-f-A|wintel, Seagate is the main SMART problem company. On all their modern drives, SMART it entirely worthless other then the SELFTEST PASS/FAIL status
[01:51:55] f0urtyfive: iamlindoro: How do I make the damn thing function :D
[01:51:57] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Humm... well, my WD drives aren't faring (sp?) too well... 500GB drives – had 6 in a software raid5, two failed hard on a cold-boot (remember iamlindoro?) – one 'sounded' ok, the other had the click-of-death... This is one of the remaining 4...
[01:51:57] mzb_: and running the tests themselves
[01:52:07] f0urtyfive: iamlindoro: cant get any video out of anything.
[01:52:20] iamlindoro: f0urtyfive, You're not trying to do analog, right?
[01:52:29] f0urtyfive: iamlindoro: Not that I'm aware of.
[01:52:42] iamlindoro: That card is only capable of digital in linux, and should be plug and play in almost any modern distro
[01:52:47] iamlindoro: ls /dev/dvb/*
[01:52:47] f0urtyfive: or rather should I say, if I was, I wouldnt know that I was :D
[01:52:59] iamlindoro: if you were looking for /dev/video*, you were trying to do analog
[01:53:11] f0urtyfive: $ ls /dev/dvb/*
[01:53:11] f0urtyfive: demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0
[01:53:15] iamlindoro: see, there it is
[01:53:18] iamlindoro: congrats, it works
[01:53:19] iamlindoro: miller time
[01:53:27] f0urtyfive: mythtv doesnt work w/ it tho...
[01:53:36] f0urtyfive: when I hit that "Watch TV" button the screen just flashes.
[01:53:54] f0urtyfive: and when I look at the "tuner status" it says Tuner1 unavailable
[01:54:03] iamlindoro: What card type did you set it up as?
[01:54:08] iamlindoro: and did you scan for channels?
[01:54:12] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: f0urtyfive: did you set up your tuner and sources properly? ^^^ yeah
[01:54:31] f0urtyfive: I fumbled around in mythtv-setup for a few minutes
[01:54:33] f0urtyfive: does that count?
[01:54:35] iamlindoro: no
[01:55:09] iamlindoro: You need read the manual, go through each and every step of mythtv-setup properly, re-read the manual when you do that wrong, go through them all again, and *then* it will work
[01:55:24] f0urtyfive: :( I hate reading.
[01:55:28] f0urtyfive: thats why I came to IRC!
[01:55:46] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: ... and that's why you'll just be told to RTFM...
[01:56:07] f0urtyfive: OH I got it to scan
[01:56:15] f0urtyfive: but it says there are no channels :(
[01:56:19] f0urtyfive: I think I may have done it wrong.
[01:56:20] f0urtyfive: lol
[01:58:04] f0urtyfive: J-e-f-f-A|wintel/iamlindoro: Is there any easy way to test like a single channel somehow? Just to see if the card is even functioning?
[02:00:41] mchou: man mplayer
[02:00:54] mchou: yes, rtfm
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[02:04:45] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: f0urtyfive: Make sure you've got the tuner type setup as "DVB DTV capture Card"  — and you need to setup a source (listings data)... then do a channel scan... the mtythv.org wiki is a wealth of info...
[02:05:01] f0urtyfive: ty
[02:05:51] f0urtyfive: Hey look at that, TV
[02:06:11] f0urtyfive: now that I'm satisfied that it functions in some way, I'll happily go read through the manual to make the rest work :D
[02:06:19] ** kormoc blinks **
[02:07:03] kormoc: Why do people who don't want to read look at irc as a way to get around reading?
[02:07:33] kormoc: it's a logical absurdity
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[02:07:39] clever: yeah
[02:07:43] clever: ive run into a few of those idiots
[02:07:53] clever: refuses to read a http link with his exact answer
[02:09:45] msaul_: Was wondering if someone has successfully mytharchived a show recorded via OTA. I have already recorded and can playback, but can you run mytharchive on that type of (data) file?
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[02:10:52] mchou: what?
[02:11:00] mchou: OTA is mpeg
[02:11:17] RyeBrye: msaul_: I have probably 3 dozen dvd's chock full of stuff I recoreded OTA
[02:11:25] wagnerrp: (assuming OTA means 'broadcast digital')
[02:11:42] msaul_: when I use the file command on OTA file it states data file
[02:11:47] RyeBrye: msaul_: I re-encode it if thats what you mean. I squash about 12 episodes of "Thomas and Friends" on a DVD for my son at a time
[02:11:56] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: mzb_: Hey, what's the name of the irc proxy we both installed? I don't have it in my startup... :-(
[02:12:00] RyeBrye: msaul_: does not compute
[02:12:23] kormoc: msaul_, that's likely because it's missing the mpeg header
[02:12:31] msaul_: RyeBrye: when doing that are you using Mythtv menu system to create DVD?
[02:12:37] RyeBrye: msaul_: yes
[02:13:02] kormoc: RyeBrye, he means that file /path/to/recording/dir/file.mpg doesn't see it as a mpeg file
[02:13:04] msaul_: I can burn DVDs for recorded shows via cable (NTSC) but only for "Don't Re-encode"
[02:13:11] mchou: RyeBrye: Do you select a profile to transcode OTA to DVD?
[02:13:19] RyeBrye: msaul_: you can't re-encode? what version are you running?
[02:13:27] msaul_: no – do I need to setup a profile?
[02:13:42] msaul_: latest version upgraded – 0.22
[02:14:04] RyeBrye: mchou: Yeah, I have used probably every profile there is. I almost always have a cutlist to remove
[02:14:14] RyeBrye: I have even created some of my own profiles
[02:14:28] mchou: RyeBrye: which profile worked best for you?
[02:14:45] mchou: RyeBrye: I mean for OTA=>DVD
[02:14:58] msaul_: That is what I'm interested in too...
[02:15:18] RyeBrye: mchou: depends. If its for my son, and I want to squish a LOT onto one DVD (i.e. 12 thomas and friends) I created my own profile that is really low bitrate (same bitrate as the "EP" one) but is 2 passes instead of 1 to make it a little better
[02:15:46] mchou: RyeBrye: I mean for 1 hr show
[02:15:48] msaul_: is that via command line or are you using frontend?
[02:16:03] mchou: RyeBrye: not for kids :)
[02:16:06] RyeBrye: msaul_: using frontend – go to "Optical disks" and then pick archive or something
[02:16:15] RyeBrye: mchou: SP would probably be fine
[02:16:19] msaul_: I have already done that
[02:16:41] RyeBrye: msaul_: you are telling it to make a video DVD right, not the native file format archive?
[02:16:42] mchou: RyeBrye: we talking ATSC, correct?
[02:16:46] RyeBrye: Yes, ATSC
[02:16:55] msaul_: I get transcode error when I select SP/EP/LP, but works with cut list for – yes DVD
[02:17:02] msaul_: NTSC works fine
[02:17:13] msaul_: Many Many DVDS burnt!
[02:17:15] RyeBrye: msaul_: do your recordings have errors?
[02:17:26] msaul_: Sometimes, sometimes not
[02:17:30] mchou: msaul_: you probably have badly corrupted streams
[02:17:31] RyeBrye: you can try to use projectX or whatnot
[02:17:40] mchou: bah
[02:17:55] mchou: that's hardly worth the effort
[02:17:57] msaul_: Errors when don't re-encode – still burns and works beautifully
[02:17:58] mzb_: J-e-f-f-A|wintel: znc
[02:18:13] msaul_: Used Project X – doesn't work...
[02:18:24] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: mzb_: hehe... I found it literally 2 seconds before your msg... ;-)
[02:18:30] mzb_: (I use an init script that starts it in a chroot)
[02:18:34] mzb_: heh
[02:18:36] RyeBrye: judging by the stack of DVD's I've gone through, I think I have probably burned over 100 dvd's using mytharchive
[02:18:48] msaul_: same with me
[02:18:54] mchou: lol
[02:19:00] RyeBrye: but none of your ATSC stuff works/
[02:19:04] msaul_: I love it, but these nagging SMALL things
[02:19:05] mchou: how many of those are coasters thou :0
[02:19:07] RyeBrye: msaul_: are you on 0.21-fixes or SVN trunk?
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[02:19:19] msaul_: No ATSC works, been troubleshooting a lot
[02:19:32] J-e-f-f-A: There I am... ;-)
[02:19:37] RyeBrye: Me? I have maybe 2 coasters – if it is going to crap out, it usually fails long before it starts burning
[02:20:00] msaul_: Can't provide that info. Running Mythbuntu 9.04
[02:20:16] RyeBrye: I've had plenty of problems before though – I have switched to using themes that dont have chapter menus because those will ocassionaly die, and you have to start over from scratch
[02:20:47] msaul_: Was running Mythbuntu 8.10 – downloaded, burned and installed approx Feb 2009
[02:20:53] mchou: yeah, those are wasteful anyways
[02:21:07] RyeBrye: I'm really interested in something to help me archive HD content in a way that will playback on PS3's or Blu-Ray players on normal DVD's – i.e. AVCHD or whatnot
[02:21:10] J-e-f-f-A: Humm... doesn't look good for this drive... Oh well, better to lose 1/6th of my recordings than all of them... ;-) It's only TV.  ;-)
[02:21:12] msaul_: Incredible stable, but these two annoying little issues that I have discussed...
[02:21:48] mchou: WD sucks
[02:22:00] ** J-e-f-f-A agrees....  :-( **
[02:22:42] msaul_: I'm using chapter menus with chapter points...
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[02:23:49] RyeBrye: The 0.22-svn has some cool thumbnail picking stuff built into it. It doesn't work for me, but it shows someone has put effort into mytharchive recently
[02:24:52] mchou: so here's a funny story
[02:25:13] mchou: My tech challenged friends know I use myth
[02:25:33] mchou: they have tivos directTVs or whatnot
[02:25:50] mchou: now they come to me requesting recordings
[02:25:56] mchou: I say wtf??
[02:26:07] msaul_: Nothing beats Mythtv
[02:26:21] wagnerrp: they want you to record stuff because they cant? because their system failed? or because they ran out of room?
[02:26:32] mchou: I give them data DVD cause I'm too lazy to transcode to Vid DVD
[02:26:49] mchou: and they come back to me saying their comp skips
[02:26:54] mchou: lol
[02:27:03] mchou: screw them all
[02:27:28] msaul_: I gotta go. Here is my blog : It has posting on Mythtv. If you think of something, just leave a reply. http://murraysaul.wordpress.com/
[02:27:37] mchou: wagnerrp: they ask me to record stuff cause of 'accidents'
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[02:29:12] mchou: like their maid disconnected their power cord
[02:29:17] mchou: or whatever
[02:29:54] mchou: problem is there are always 'accidents'
[02:30:39] mchou: the reason are never ever the same, but you'd think directTV is using Windoze for STBs
[02:30:53] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: Maybe they're just jealous that you can record > 1 thing at once... ;-)
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[02:31:25] mchou: I duuno, I thought Tivos have dual tuners
[02:31:53] RyeBrye: I doubt they have a DirecTivo, do they?
[02:32:10] RyeBrye: all the recent ones use some crappy software, not TiVo anymore
[02:32:17] mchou: the friends I'm talking about have directtivos
[02:32:28] RyeBrye: I never had any problems with my DirecTivos
[02:32:38] RyeBrye: except for having to pay for DirecTV and the TiVo service
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[02:33:00] mchou: well, I dont want to diagnose their problems
[02:33:08] RyeBrye: Yeah, I dont blame you
[02:34:19] RyeBrye: msaul_: "I get excellent reception – with digital, it is “all or nothing”. not quite. You have to have a good enough signal to not have stream errors
[02:34:22] RyeBrye: oh... he left
[02:35:24] mchou: actually, is there a tool that tells you the "goodness" of a mpeg stream?
[02:35:48] RyeBrye: To tune my antenna, I use the HDHR's signal meter tool
[02:36:08] RyeBrye: it will keep a running count of errors while it is tuned on a station
[02:36:16] RyeBrye: and give you SNR, SS, etc
[02:36:26] mchou: yeah well, that's hardly reliable
[02:36:42] mchou: depends on the driver and tuner
[02:37:04] mchou: some drivers just lie
[02:37:05] RyeBrye: as far as looking at a recorded stream?
[02:37:16] mchou: RyeBrye: yup
[02:37:24] RyeBrye: mchou: yeah, some drivers lie -but the HD HomeRun is pretty good
[02:37:49] RyeBrye: it has no drivers, for one – so its drivers can't lie to you ;)
[02:38:09] mchou: hdhr driver is embedded :)
[02:38:18] mchou: on the device itself
[02:38:39] mchou: you dont even know if it's lying
[02:38:42] RyeBrye: Yeah, I know. I was giving you a hard time
[02:38:46] mchou: cause you have no source code
[02:38:48] RyeBrye: I'm asking in #hdhomerun
[02:38:54] RyeBrye: They are pretty savvy
[02:39:03] RyeBrye: the answer: videoredo or mpeg2repair
[02:39:20] mchou: hmm
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[02:39:34] ** mchou wonders if those run on linux **
[02:40:27] RyeBrye: maybe with wine?
[02:40:33] mchou: bah
[02:40:43] styelz: what about avidimux
[02:40:46] mchou: dont wanna deal with windoze
[02:41:06] mchou: I'll do macs b4 I touch windows
[02:41:13] styelz: s/avidemux
[02:44:07] styelz: http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/index.php?title=Project_X
[02:45:44] RyeBrye: avidemux: "Both MPEG PS & TS will be considered perfect, i.e. there will be no correction for dropped or damaged packets."
[02:45:56] wagnerrp: i dont understand what knowing the 'goodness' of your stream is going to get you
[02:46:24] wagnerrp: i mean it will be perfect, or it will be garbage, and there's very little in between
[02:46:25] RyeBrye: bragging rights
[02:46:47] mchou: wagnerrp: apparently you dont have any imagination
[02:47:17] mchou: RyeBrye: it has nothing to do w/ bragging rights
[02:47:22] wagnerrp: find the two directions at which it dies, and put it in the middle?
[02:48:23] mchou: decode is a cheaper operation than encode
[02:48:51] mchou: decode first to find out if it's even worth the effort to encode
[02:49:03] mchou: not to mention "upstream" effects
[02:49:14] mchou: like maybe the source is bad
[02:49:23] mchou: like from cableco
[02:51:28] mchou: it's hardly out of the question
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[03:50:24] Er1K: I see somebody mentioned using avidemux....it has *significant* issues dealing with TS files...and semi-significant issues with non-perfect files of any sort (signal fade anyone). Using mythttranscode to produce an mpeg2->mpeg2 makes a file it will make love to quite nicely
[03:55:27] Er1K: other than that....it's about the best *simple* a/b video editor I have found for linux that will operate on raw mpeg2 files
[03:59:27] Ponty: Anyone got any ideas on how I can use my blackberry to control MythTV? Currently my phone is MIA and off until 7am, so I can't test. Just looking for things to look at.
[04:00:09] Er1K: ....and as far as determining "goodness", I have a grossly overcomplicated script that uses a 'slave front-end instance' (it runs in the background on a dummy X server) that I use the network control interface (via socat) to query the 'actual runtime' of recordings....missing over X%, it deletes it and schedules a re-record.
[04:00:37] iamlindoro: I suppose if you hold the Blackberry at the right angle you can use it to push buttons on a real remote
[04:00:54] Ponty: {chuckle} I just hadn't thought of that. :P
[04:01:07] Er1K: Ponty: "anyremote" can fake lirc signals
[04:02:08] Ponty: Interesting. Best one so far.
[04:02:31] Er1K: it's kind of a b**** to set up, but it's 100% doable
[04:03:51] wagnerrp: why would a blackberry have a generic infrared transmitter
[04:04:07] Er1K: it doesn't
[04:04:10] Er1K: bluetooth
[04:05:36] Er1K: ponty: alternatively, if your crackberry has wifi like mine, talking to the network control port from php is pretty idiot simple
[04:05:50] Ponty: It does.
[04:05:54] Ponty: Its the 8900.
[04:09:59] Ponty: I was also thinking of using the ball to control the mouse, but I don't think PHP is going to handle that all that well. heh
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[04:12:07] Ponty: But I guess I don't have to do that since the arrow keys will do 99% of the required work.
[04:12:32] Er1K: you gonna be around for a while?
[04:12:44] Ponty: Me? Yeah, I think so.
[04:12:58] Ponty: Not really tired, although I gotta be at work for 8am. heh
[04:14:21] Er1K: ponty: I'm gonna experiment what js events I can nab (if any) from that ball and the keypresses....this might be really easy
[04:14:32] Ponty: Awesome. Thanks.
[04:14:36] Er1K: I assume you have apache/php installed?
[04:14:43] Ponty: Yeah.
[04:15:34] Er1K: I'll let you know what I discover in a bit...I've got 'nuff stuff to draw from and I want to know this for home automation
[04:16:02] Ponty: Alright. I'm a PHP dev'r as well, so tech speek is KO. ;)
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[04:16:52] Er1K: and hey hey....I'm already running an lirc proxy I wrote (I have to restart inputlirc a lot to grab new bluetooth devices, etc, etc, etc and got sick and tired of the fe or most other programs not reconnecting)
[04:17:34] Er1K: major fscking pita for the setup I did for my parent's rv, as the bluetooth keypad is being fed via inputlirc and often doesn't appear until after the fe screen has appeared
[04:18:38] Ponty: I also have a Sony Palm Pilot. I can't remember if I got any IR software to run on it effectively.
[04:19:12] Ponty: Its currently dead due to my losing the power for it, but, I also have a IR receiver, but IT doesn't create a standard COM port on Windows, so not sure LIRC is going to handle it.
[04:28:01] Er1K: most all of those can be made to work.....I like my 'mce' usb receiver/blaster a lot better under 'nix then winders
[04:34:58] Ponty: Gonna try plug in this receiver into the Nix box and see what magic happens.
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[04:35:08] Ponty: If THAT works I just may train it to use my Rogers remote.
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[04:54:36] Lexridge: Has anyone seen the new Star Trek film? just saw it this evening....Awesome movie!!! IMO the best since ST6-TRoK
[04:54:44] Ponty: Twice.
[04:55:00] Lexridge: nice, I wanna go see it again already! lol
[04:55:15] Ponty: I enjoyed it more the FIRST time because I could see the screen. Tonight, however, I was in the first row, and it it were a 3D movie, I woulda been able to see Kirks nose hair from the angle I was at. :/
[04:56:01] wagnerrp: i need to not go to the theater i went to again
[04:56:04] Lexridge: ouch! not a good angle indeed. I watched Pink Floyd's The Wall that way
[04:56:56] wagnerrp: the speakers were loose and rattling, and the lens went out of focus on the bottom half of the screen
[04:57:11] wagnerrp: like the lens was not designed to be used at an angle
[04:57:41] Lexridge: I would have demanded some $$ back.
[04:58:02] Lexridge: or a free ticket to another showing
[04:58:10] wagnerrp: it wasnt bad enough to complain
[04:58:14] wagnerrp: just bad enough not to go back
[04:58:19] Ponty: I just realized I had a PS2 remote control, and its not being used by the PS2... I found the LIRC script for it, now to figure out how to get this to work.
[04:58:27] Ponty: I don't even know if the batteries work ATM though. heh
[04:59:10] Lexridge: wagnerrp: So, tech problems aside, did you like the story line?
[04:59:35] wagnerrp: i enjoyed the movie
[05:00:12] wagnerrp: i thought the storyline had some gaps, like the whole concept of 'red matter', but besides that...
[05:01:45] Lexridge: Well, the red matter deal is just fluff. It may just as easily been a cotton ball. I used to love ST for their accurate science. Now I just want to be entertained.
[05:03:05] Lexridge: ...and I once was indeed a hard core Trekker.
[05:03:33] wagnerrp: i mean what they did with the red matter, flies the face of physics
[05:03:35] Ponty: What didn't add up either is why Spock had originally brought what looked to be a couple hundred gallons of the red matter stuff, when all he needed was a few mills.
[05:04:09] Lexridge: ponty: good point
[05:04:35] Lexridge: I was also really enjoying the views of Uhura. Ouch!!
[05:04:54] wagnerrp: so was spock apparently
[05:04:58] Lexridge: lol
[05:05:05] Ponty: I coulda sworn the first time I heard Kirk say Uhura he said "A whore, eh?"
[05:06:05] Lexridge: The thought the actor who portrayed McCoy did a 100% fabulous job! He even sounded at times like Deforest. :)
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[05:06:33] Lexridge: er..that should have said: I thought the actor who portrayed McCoy did a 100% fabulous job! He even sounded at times like Deforest. :)
[05:07:39] wagnerrp: anyway, my point about the red matter is, if you make a black hole, the black hole has no more gravity than the matter that produced it
[05:09:20] Lexridge: wagnerrp: Humm, I would agree. However, a teaspoon of a neutron star matter would weigh trillions, if not more, Since red matter wasn't defined, there is no frame of reference.
[05:10:00] wagnerrp: so if you make a black hole out of a few ounces of material, assuming it doesnt just evaporate via hawking radiation, its gravity is going to be so infinitesimally small that the only way it could grow would be direct contact with subatomic particles
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[05:10:35] wagnerrp: and someone on a ship isnt going to be able to carry around a vial weighing trillions of kilograms
[05:11:24] wagnerrp: nor would a ship be able to go anywhere, or maintain structural integrity, if it were hauling such a cargo
[05:11:56] Lexridge: outside of gravity, and with wormholes (warp), weight would/should not be an issue.
[05:13:58] Ponty: Weight is a function of gravity. Inertia is a matter of mass.
[05:14:17] Ponty: Weight comes into play on a planet, sure. Inertia is affected everywhere.
[05:14:26] Lexridge: yes, but with wormholes, and warp, you don't actually move, space time moves around you.
[05:14:42] iamlindoro: You are exactly the kindof people who they were trying to *avoid* targeting with this film
[05:15:04] Ponty: heh. I'm all for the phasor fights, and bar fights. ;)
[05:15:07] iamlindoro: You know, the kind who get on the internet and complain about the lack of respect for the physics of black holes
[05:15:28] Lexridge: lol, common group I'd say ;)
[05:19:46] Lexridge: A few nights ago I told some you about the Star Trek New Voyages series. Did anyone actually watch any of the episodes?
[05:21:00] Lexridge: It's now called ST-Phase II, which is silly IMO, but yes I understand why.
[05:21:44] Ponty: Meds are starting to kick in.
[05:21:49] Ponty: Time for me to go to bed.
[05:22:10] Lexridge: g'nite ponty
[05:26:35] Er1K: night ponty, I'll let you know what I find out on the blackberry stuff
[05:26:40] Er1K: I got sidetracked by IRL
[05:26:47] Ponty: I know what thats like.
[05:27:00] Er1K: (who, ironically, I just distracted with Law & Order via MythTV)
[05:27:03] Ponty: Fire me a PM.
[05:27:36] Er1K: will do....along with a pastebin if I find anything practical
[05:27:39] Er1K: sleep well
[05:27:45] Ponty: L8r
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[05:30:44] wagnerrp: i seem to have lost a CF card
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[06:36:39] wagnerrp: well thats disappointing... no randr goodness for multiple video cards
[06:37:20] wagnerrp: and it looks like 1.3 wont bring it either
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[07:48:20] hot_wheelz: hi guys :-)
[07:48:59] hot_wheelz: has anyone card with a philipas saa7162 tuner by any chance?
[07:55:06] hot_wheelz: i mean philips
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[11:21:23] johnf: has anyone seen a problem where the menu screen flickers about once per second?
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[11:28:51] sphery: johnf: what theme?
[11:29:28] sphery: johnf: if something like G.A.N.T , try changing themes to something else, like blue or some theme without an alphapulse
[11:30:10] sphery: otherwise, likely something outside myth (video card/drivers/cables/interference/...)
[11:40:09] sphery: johnf: also, might want to try flipping your Theme Painter between Qt and OpenGL and see if it makes a difference
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[11:49:38] henkpoley: johnf: sure there is no screensaver or notification window (of another program) interfering ?
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[13:25:03] henkpoley_: Does somebody have the "scanall.sh" script from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_tuning_bro . . . e_fix_it_.3F ??
[13:25:20] henkpoley_: Its hosting stopped 2 days ago
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[13:44:38] Dibblah: henkpoley_: ... Trac is working just fine.
[13:44:58] henkpoley_: Dibblah: heh?
[13:45:05] Dibblah: The patch.
[13:45:48] henkpoley_: You mean applying stuff from http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3640, or getting scanall.sh form there ?
[13:46:28] henkpoley_: I know I used the scanall.sh script, before so that's why I want to use it
[13:46:37] Dibblah: I mean applying the patch.
[13:46:37] henkpoley_: The patch *might* work
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[13:54:48] caribo: hi... has anybody been successful in using Coherence as a upnp client with a mythtv backend?? I'm having real problems in getting this to work.....
[13:57:43] henkpoley_: caribo: at the moment the only UPNP Media stuff I've seen working is mythtv showing up in Windows Explorer, but not in any media program (neither on mac, windows or linux)
[13:58:43] henkpoley_: caribo: try bugging the programmer of the UPNP integration
[13:59:20] caribo: I working with Coherence dev at the moment.....
[14:00:23] caribo: strangely i can browse ok using upnp-inspector from the Coherence team... but not using either Coherence or their plugin....
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[14:06:09] CShadowRun: Hi, i'm trying to setup mythtv with my freecom II USB DVB reciever, it seems to see it. I added it as a capture device
[14:06:18] CShadowRun: but when i select watch TV nothing happens
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[14:17:12] CShadowRun: anyone?
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[14:20:02] CShadowRun: lol in video sources, United Kingdown xD
[14:21:14] caribo: CShadowRun: LOL ... I've been there myself !!
[14:22:34] CShadowRun: i live here, although over here we don't spell it like that :D
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[14:40:01] gbee: "Kingdown"? Where's that appear?
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[15:00:00] henk_: my frontend keeps segfaulting, but the backtraces still show several "in ??" traces
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[15:00:23] henk_: what packages (ubuntu) do I need to install to get sensible backtraces?
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[16:24:11] henk_: How long does/should a DVB scan with mythv take?
[16:25:52] henk_: and what should "Failed to handle tune complete." mean ?
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[16:53:18] henk_: also, 60 channels != the 200 or so my TV finds.. the DVB scanner is still not fixed in trunk
[16:54:38] mchou: dude, stop complaining
[16:54:52] mchou: the mythtv scanner is know to be broken
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[16:55:04] mchou: use dvbscan
[16:55:12] henk_: I always get a bit tired fighting with mythtv
[16:55:25] henk_: Last person told me to use the patch
[16:55:35] mchou: screw last person
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[16:55:43] mchou: dvbscan always works
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[16:55:58] mchou: not like mythtv scan
[16:56:05] henk_: Also dvbscan was doing something nondescript (can't remember exact message, or empty promt)
[16:56:26] mchou: read the man pages
[16:56:37] mchou: devb scan ALWAYS works
[16:56:45] mchou: dvbscan*
[16:57:15] henk_: But I just dived inot my cable suppliers booklet, and well.. their basic plus all regular extra packages (non-porn or HD, etc.) = 60 channels
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[16:57:33] henk_: So.. mythtv trunk probbaly checks if my card has access
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[16:57:43] mchou: are you stupid?
[16:57:58] henk_: Now to see if I can get my recordings back, the frontend does not display them
[16:58:03] henk_: Yes, I am
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[16:58:09] mchou: some channels may not be transmitted in the clear
[16:58:47] mchou: yet another reason to use dvbscan
[16:59:16] henk_: Last years scan entered all channels and transponders, though with wrong tuning (MHz)
[17:00:08] mchou: if you're using cable there are no transponders
[17:01:04] henk_: MythTV calls it that, so I call it that way in this mythtv channel
[17:01:14] henk_: But okay,l they are multiplexes
[17:01:21] henk_: Or maybe even another word
[17:04:24] henk_: mchou, anyways thanks for not idling in this channel
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[17:06:33] henk_: Just for the giggles, having mythstream installed segfaults mythfrontend without any sensible message (at -v all)
[17:06:54] henk_: Might save somebody a few hours
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[17:34:01] EvilBob: I was searching for a "windowed" client to connect to my Myth backend for using on systems that I want to do other work on. Does any thing like that exist? If all else fails I guess I could run a VM guest or something like VPN or NX connecting to the backend.
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[17:45:36] CoreDump: EvilBob: If I'm not totally mistaken, mythfrontend accepts a commandline parameter to start windowed
[17:46:30] EvilBob: CoreDump: Oh I never even thought about that, i will check around
[17:46:52] EvilBob: CoreDump: thanks for smacking me with the obvious...
[17:47:15] CoreDump: heh
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[17:48:44] EvilBob: CoreDump: sure enough it is -w runtime option in the --help
[17:49:15] CoreDump: yeah, IIRC I discovered it by accident
[17:49:56] EvilBob: this will make me a little more productive anyhow, thanks again for the tip.
[17:50:10] CoreDump: you are welcome ;)
[17:57:12] sphery: EvilBob: it's actually a setting, too, so if you're always running it windowed on that client, just change it in the setting.
[17:58:23] EvilBob: sphery: No will be used both windowed and fullscreen on the laptop here, nice to watch TV in the quiet of the bedroom once in a while.
[17:59:19] EvilBob: sphery: But I can see me using that on my multihead workstation to position it on the correct monitor
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[18:00:46] EvilBob: Can't thank you all enough, the community IRC support for MythTV is pretty damn good IMO.
[18:00:56] hume: hello....I have a mythtv-backend in a unbutu intrepid box, where I got problems after an update of the system – right now my dvb-c card does not work, and I have no /dev/dvb folder. Using a TT C-1501-card. Anyone got advice on what to check? I worked well before....
[18:01:25] hume: it worked well, I mean....
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[18:04:41] hume: what modules might be needed to create the /dev/dvb?
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[22:20:49] gbee: anyone have an HEC PSU? Seriously considering this one since the bearings have now gone on the fan(s) in my current one – http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151783
[22:24:03] Dibblah: Have one in the same line.
[22:24:26] Dibblah: ... Personally, avoid. It doesn't start with <60w load.
[22:24:49] Dibblah: But YMMV and returns with ebuyer aren't particularly hard.
[22:26:34] Dibblah: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/120375/show_product_reviews
[22:28:27] gbee: yeah, that's the other one I was looking at, but I was being cheap :P
[22:30:37] Dibblah: Try the cheaper one first.
[22:30:48] Dibblah: Like I said, return if it doesn't work for you.
[22:31:05] ** Dibblah really likes the look of the Zotac Ion board :( **
[22:31:16] Dibblah: ... 12v DC in only.
[22:31:26] gbee: for £10 I might just save myself the hassle
[22:31:59] Dibblah: http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/9839381/ZOTAC-I . . . Product.html
[22:32:11] Dibblah: Sticker shock, however – It includes a PSU.
[22:33:07] janneg: "Onboard DC/DC power supply (Optional)"
[22:33:21] Dibblah: Okay, all the reviews say it does.
[22:33:22] Dibblah: ;)
[22:33:32] Dibblah: (not on play.com
[22:35:09] kormoc: sticker shock? that's only $190 us, and the rumors were always 200–250 USD
[22:36:19] kormoc: Ha! "decodes HD video formats and enhances standard-definition videos with the ION GPU for flawless HD and superior SD video playback."
[22:36:21] Dibblah: Pre-order.
[22:36:27] kormoc: SD is worse then HD eh?
[22:36:56] Dibblah: The prices on play.com are lower for pre-order, then go up and back down again a while later.
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[22:37:40] joe-mac: how do i make it so when i import my music to mythtv it doesn't make a copy of it?
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[22:38:12] joe-mac: here i am sitting here for fifteen minutes while 20,000 audio files are getting imported only to get an out of space error and see it ate up a bunch of space in my /
[22:39:08] gbee: joe-mac: err, don't IMPORT?
[22:39:12] gbee: just scan
[22:39:23] gbee: import does exactly what it says
[22:39:44] sid3windr: =)
[22:39:51] joe-mac: yea, i was wondering why the word 'import' rofl
[22:39:58] joe-mac: i didn't see scan, i'll look again
[22:40:14] joe-mac: i think that whole fiasco fubar'd something
[22:40:17] Dibblah: joe-mac: And don't wear your eyepatch in public. Arrrr!
[22:40:53] gbee: "Scan for New Music", appears right below "Import Files" in my menu
[22:41:39] joe-mac: well i do suck at reading
[22:42:13] gbee: you should configure the directory first though, so it knows where you are storing the files
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[22:53:36] joe-mac: hmm how bout this one, i scan for channels it finds all the ones it should, but then when i go to watch tv its just static
[22:53:47] joe-mac: i know this cable line works cause it works if i go direct to my tv
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[22:55:49] myth_leech: Anyone here played around with multimedia keys in Myth?
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[22:56:34] myth_leech: I seem to remember an older version the XF86 multimedia keys, but everything I'm reading recently suggests using xev to capture the keycodes for the multimedia keys produced by your keyboard and mapping them to the standard mythtv keys
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[23:00:18] myth_leech: I was considering making custom mappings, and using a mythfrontend startup script to modify the mappings prior to starting myth, then remapping them back to standard XF86 multimedia key mappings, but that's really kind of ugly. Is there a better way?
[23:00:32] myth_leech: Anyone here?
[23:04:26] basement-server: lol I am, but I'm just trying to install for first time :)
[23:06:52] myth_leech: This post here says there's a menu in mythtv setup for creating custom key mappings, anyone know to get to said menu?
[23:06:53] myth_leech: //www.mailinglistarchive.com/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/msg68571.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/mythtv-user . . . sg68571.html
[23:10:51] Ponty: If anyone knows their tuners, what model should I get from http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowP . . . mp;id=CC.344 that would do me alright for MythTV? I'm pondering http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowP . . . p;cid=CC.344
[23:11:09] Ponty: I see that it is compatible but needs some work done to the OS kernel.
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[23:23:01] myth_leech: Ponty: I've had really good luck with the older Hauppauge cards, but haven't tried any of their digital tuners. Do they output an MPEG stream like the old PVR-250 does?
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[23:23:22] Ponty: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600
[23:24:13] Ponty: According to that, yes. Supported as of 0.21. The thing I'm wondering is if it will allow me to hook two cable feeds up, or if I have to use one for cable, then another for `over the air` services.
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[23:27:05] Ponty: If I can't do both cable feeds, then I'm not really willing to pay THAT much for it, and would rather just get a single tuner. I already have one tuner in the system that works, but an upgrade to a newer gen would be nice as well.
[23:27:18] myth_leech: the 1600 may be different, but on the 250, I can use more than one input, but only one at a time
[23:27:19] Ponty: Get the newer one to record with better quality, then have the older card just for conflicts.
[23:27:24] myth_leech: i have to switch the source
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[23:27:59] Ponty: Maybe I'll check EBay for the 250, unless anyone else has other suggestions?
[23:28:16] myth_leech: There was an IVTV utility that I used when i was first setting it up to switch between inputs. almost like there was a switch inside of the tuner card that would only allow it to process one input at a time
[23:28:45] myth_leech: the 250 is analog only, i would strongly recommend something that can handle ATSC natively for good quality – something like the 1600.
[23:28:57] myth_leech: if I had to buy a new tuner card today, it would definitely have ATSC support
[23:29:59] Ponty: Looking at the schedule I have setup for my poor 4 year old tuner, its over worked as it is. Its been in `storage` for a few years because I've never had cable services until I moved two years ago, and now that I've got a box that works with it....
[23:30:12] Ponty: Well... Tonnes better than downloading what I want to watch off a torrent. heh
[23:30:31] myth_leech: yeah.
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[23:31:04] Ponty: Now I AM a newb to this, but if I have Rogers Cable and have both the digital and analog services, what does "ATSC" going to do for me?
[23:31:20] myth_leech: I think ATSC is digital TV
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[23:31:41] Ponty: I don't have HD anything. No 1080 or 720. Just run of the mill standard cable services.
[23:32:01] myth_leech: Most cable providers broadcast the under channels under 100 as standard analog, but everything above that is digital.
[23:32:13] myth_leech: well at least it was that way for adelphia, charter and comcast
[23:32:30] Ponty: Rogers could be a different story.
[23:34:39] Ponty: http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowP . . . p;cid=CC.344 – This one might be the best bet. It'll do the analog cable, but it may do the digital as well. If it does digital, whooooo-boy... If not, meh... Analog still is busy enough getting waht I want. heh.
[23:36:22] myth_leech: Please take this with a grain of salt because I'm kind of a hauppauge fanboy but I think the 1600 is probably a better idea
[23:36:54] Ponty: I'm very open to ideas. You're not going to insult me when I'm the one asking for advice. ;)
[23:37:18] Ponty: I'm a fanboy of ASUS... But that doesn't mean MSI can't exist.
[23:38:49] Ponty: {smirk} 4 out of 5 machines that run in my house are all ASUS boards. One is...something else that doesn't come to mind ATM, but it is intel.
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[23:39:50] Ponty: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=995555 – I don't like the looks of this though... Last post.
[23:41:19] Er1K: Hey, Ponty
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[23:41:28] Ponty: Yo. How was your scripting adventure?
[23:42:03] Ponty: Thanks. I'll push it over when I'm... more local to the computers. heh
[23:42:26] Er1K: just sent you a proof-of-concept....sadly, doing *any* sort of async call from the 4.5 bb browser seems impossible
[23:42:39] Ponty: hmmm
[23:43:05] Ponty: Which may mean a java app would need to be written to send TCP packets.
[23:43:06] Er1K: so it does a full roundtrip...4.6 supports xmlhttprequest which will make life a lot more fun
[23:43:14] Er1K: yeah, I was thinking exactly the same
[23:45:35] Ponty: Damn it... I really don't want to upgrade my Myth box just to get PCIE...
[23:45:36] Er1K: ...don't laugh at the html....99.9% of the yuck factor is related to forcing the bb layout engine to not trim/wrap/etc....which it does a very nice job of for viewing 'desktop' web pages, but is dangright annoying when you are intentionally designing something for it's screen size
[23:45:59] Ponty: Meh. You should see my coding some days. heh
[23:46:14] Ponty: 50 meg app for a HELLO WORLD app. Fun stuff.  ;)
[23:49:39] Er1K: java app would most definately be the way to go, as you could keep a polling thread hammering it with "query location" and adjust per context (even when someone else in the room is hitting the 'real' remote), populate clientside channel/recording lists, etc.
[23:54:12] Er1K: seems like a very good excuse to learn j2me, but convincing my boss of something that customers would pay for still seems a better excuse!
[23:58:19] Er1K: sadly, the screen seems a tad small for loan underwriting software :)

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