Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, May 13th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

Usually I just start tearing the shit down and manually resync the audio

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Dagmar:

I don't count on these things to really uncook cooked video files

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sphery:

seems the sync varies throughout the recording, though

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sphery:

how do you resync?

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Dagmar:

I check the audio manually.

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Dagmar:

....and I try to find where things went out of whack and start long-running stretch operations

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sphery:

what tool?

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Dagmar:

"Whatever is handy"

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Dagmar:

I've used Vegas, Windows Movie Maker, Cinelerra, and a few other things

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stuarta:

spade, pitch fork, axe....

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iamlindoro:

compound bow

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Dagmar:

I mean I *literally* completely separate the audio from the video and then pretty much re-stitch the audio back in

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sphery:

as much time as I've spent trying to figure this out, I've come close to using some of those on my computer

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sphery:

(probably the spade, first, since it's handy)

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iamlindoro:

I must share this site, and particularly this photo, with you, my friends: http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2009/05/10/happy-mothers-day/

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Dagmar:

I pulled out an ancient copy of SoundForge for one

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iamlindoro:

and this, which is in NO WAY SAFE FOR WORK

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iamlindoro:

http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2009/05/06/the-wonder-years/

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iamlindoro:

And extremely disturbing

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iamlindoro:

view in privacy

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iamlindoro:

Do bear in mind that they are pink suits, and not actual anatomy

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iamlindoro:

but YEESH

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Dagmar:

Yeah thanks for telling us about that first link's worksafeness (or lack thereof)

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stuarta:

i'm not even sure i wanna look

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iamlindoro:

Bah, first is fine at my work :)

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stuarta:

and i'm at home

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Dagmar:

Half naked white trash

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iamlindoro:

In fact, the whole site was viewed by a group at my work

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** stuarta hurts iamlindoro **

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iamlindoro:

Don't shoot the messenger!

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stuarta:

in this case i will

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iamlindoro:

See you in our shared nightmares

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** stuarta gets a bigger glass of whiskey **

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cesman:

LOL!

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cesman:

that pink suit think is funny

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cesman:

I've seen that other one before...

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cesman:

that is just discussing

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

disgusting, too :)

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iamlindoro:

There are some choice ones on that site

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iamlindoro:

Like the family posing in full ren faire gear

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Dagmar:

The faily that jousts together, probably isn't breeding any further.

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iamlindoro:

First wedding I ever went to was at the Ren Faire, heh

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iamlindoro:

Curiously, my friend the groom is since the plaintiff in a famous lawsuit against the government for warrantless wiretapping

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iamlindoro:

He *did*, however, grow up under a dome near Santa Cruz :)

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pepperjack:

anyone have some prebuilt preinstalled front end boxes they like? i was wondering what were the most popular commercial front end solutions

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Dagmar:

There are none.

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Dagmar:

This is not a commercial project.

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sphery:

pepperjack: closest thing to that would be: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Commercial_MythTV_System (but I don't know anything about any of them)

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iamlindoro:

That said, I've never heard of anyone actually owning, purchasing, or using any of those

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pepperjack:

ok. i just wanted some slick hardware with audio and video over hdmi. ive had trouble with that in the past

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pepperjack:

the audio over hdmi on linux

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sphery:

exactly... nor have I heard any reports from users of them

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gbee:

been using audio over hdmi for at least 18 months

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iamlindoro:

Any onboard nvidia 9300 or 9400 will do Audio over HDMI

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iamlindoro:

as well as many many ATI and nvidia cards

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sphery:

I wish they'd do 8-channel uncompressed PCM over HDMI

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gbee:

though I immediately regret that admission since it leaves me a target for follow up questions

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iamlindoro:

sphery, 9300/9400 will

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sphery:

really...

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iamlindoro:

yep

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sphery:

guess when I prepared to wait forever for it, I didn't realize how quickly forever would come

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sphery:

proprietary drivers only?

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iamlindoro:

Not sure, I only use the Prop. drivers

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iamlindoro:

but it has discrete audio hardware capable on 8 channel PCM

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sphery:

now if only we could get a non-Intel-HDA chip that supports it, I'd be in heaven

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sphery:

thanks for the info... I'll have to look into it.

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iamlindoro:

you are welcome

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gbee:

you have something against Intel-HDA?

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sphery:

may have to do some mobo rearranging (I've been considering replacing this box with something more powerful)

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sphery:

gbee: mainly dislike the audio-on-CPU stuff... AC'97 was the same way, but it seems that Intel-HDA is actually less useful than AC'97

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gbee:

the HDS chipset seems to be ubiquitous these days

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gbee:

HDA

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sphery:

the new Intel standard is going to discrete audio processors (probably Wolfson CODEC's)

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sphery:

yeah, to my dismay, they're quite ubiquitous

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sphery:

HDA will actually be better than AC'97 once software/drivers catch up, but I've had some bad experiences with Intel HDA in the interim

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FPSDavid:

well crap

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FPSDavid:

i picked up the listings for my SD channels, but the HD channels are still blank

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FPSDavid:

it knows the network ID (i.e. KCRA-HD), but has NO DATA for the shows

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FPSDavid:

and LiveTV still doesnt work

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gbee:

I've had no problems at all with HDA, but then I've never done anything more complicated than plug in 2.1 speakers

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gbee:

the audio over HDMI was a pain, but only because it necessitated some learning of ALSA configuration and device names, plus a video driver update

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sphery:

FPSDavid: you have to set the xmltvid--as described in the post I linked you to

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sphery:

FPSDavid: might want to start over http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

(otherwise, you'll likely have ghost channels for HDTV that will cause it to fail at some point in the future)

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k-man:

is there an nvidia ion motherboard that has 802.11n wireless?

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iamlindoro:

There are only two known ION devices period yet, neither of which has 802.11n

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, that said, the review I read is contradicted by Zotac's info on their board

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iamlindoro:

http://forums.legitreviews.com/about21228.html

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iamlindoro:

Their press release states 802.11n

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iamlindoro:

So... yes, apparently, the Zotac :)

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sphery:

glad you found that... I had seen that before, but didn't feel like looking it up again

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sphery:

(was thinking GreyFoxx was disappointed that there were no ion with N boards and was going to tell him, but couldn't find him saying that)

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iamlindoro:

He doesn't like that one because there's no PCI

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sphery:

ahhh

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iamlindoro:

I just don't see anyone building ITX or ATX ION boards, personally

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k-man:

iamlindoro: i always thought the zotac one was 11g

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iamlindoro:

k-man, "always" since this morning?

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iamlindoro:

That board was announced today

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k-man:

ooh... is that a new board? no, i was thinking of the other ion board that everyone was talking about before

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iamlindoro:

That wasn't ION

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iamlindoro:

ION is specifically nvidia 9300 with Atom processors, there are only two officially announced ION devices yet, the zotac board and the Acer Aspire Revo

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k-man:

iamlindoro: oooh... wasn't it? god, i get confused with all these acronyms

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iamlindoro:

Although there are two other ION boxes that have been shown off but not formally announced

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iamlindoro:

All in the past week or two

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sphery:

iamlindoro: though in nv financials, ion includes the 9300's sold to apple :)

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why you would want an ATX/BTX/ITX ION board

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, That was my point earlier

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iamlindoro:

But some apparently want ION for backend/frontend duty, with lots of SATA and PCI/PCIe

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k-man:

what is ITX?

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iamlindoro:

I just don't think anyone will build such a beast, as the market would be tiny

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iamlindoro:

a form factor between ATX and mini ITX

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sphery:

I for "itty bitty"

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k-man:

oh

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was for intel

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k-man:

wagnerrp: to make a small form factor computer?

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sphery:

and I thought B was for "bulky"

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wagnerrp:

balanced

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iamlindoro:

k-man, the Zotac board is Mini-itx

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iamlindoro:

which is 6.7x6.7 inches square

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iamlindoro:

(IIRC)

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iamlindoro:

at least, that particular board is

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wagnerrp:

i dont actually see a 'ITX' form factor

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, ITX is the one that was designed but never really built I believe

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iamlindoro:

yeah, there we go: "The ITX form factor was never taken up by manufacturers, who instead produced smaller boards based on the very similar 229 mm x 191 mm FlexATX form factor."

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iamlindoro:

Was a VIA concoction

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wagnerrp:

looks like BTX is headed towards death

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iamlindoro:

TBH when I wrote ITX above I had Micro ATX in my head

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wagnerrp:

you cant follow spec, and map out traces for chips with integrated memory controllers

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k-man:

currently, i think the best option is a mac mini for a frontend

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k-man:

a friend is running it and its pretty sweet

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wagnerrp:

aside from price, i might agree with that

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wagnerrp:

although i would prefer something of that blended better with other AV equipment

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k-man:

wagnerrp: you could just hide it behind the TV maybe?

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k-man:

wagnerrp: and i agree, it is a bit pricey

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wagnerrp:

i could, and thats what i do currently

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k-man:

wagnerrp: and I think getting a remote to work well is a bit of a hassal, but it can be done i believe

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iamlindoro:

When there is something like the Revo with a dual core Atom, I might jump on it

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wagnerrp:

one is hidden behing the tv, the other is hidden under the floor

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wagnerrp:

well this is interesting... a 1hr recording reporting 4.5hrs

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iamlindoro:

Is it 240 fps? :)

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k-man:

wagnerrp: what do you use for frontends?

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wagnerrp:

k-man: old desktops

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wagnerrp:

one a 2GHz A64, one a 800MHz P3 with an 8400

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, does the p3 us vdpau

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Shadow__X:

or however you spell it

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k-man:

wagnerrp: the trouble with desktops (thats what I use) is they are noisy

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wagnerrp:

k-man: the one under the floor is silent, the one behind the TV would be silent if it werent for a noisy PSU

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k-man:

yeah, my psu is noisy too

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iamlindoro:

!seen iamlindoro

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Shadow__X:

uh

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Shadow__X:

how does that work

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, do you use vdpau on the p3 with the 8400

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: thats what its for, the chip doesnt have anything like enough power to do ATSC

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Shadow__X:

ah ok so your running trunk then right

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wagnerrp:

yes

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iamlindoro:

So I bought the Star Trek six film blu ray set, which was released today

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iamlindoro:

paid for it in advance, on line, with Best Buy gift cards, for $99.

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iamlindoro:

Went in to the store and found some employee had taken my reserved copy and given it to a customer, and they had no more copies-- and that they were selling it $10 cheaper in store

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iamlindoro:

So the net result is that Best Buy got to sit on my money for two weeks, give away my copy, and charge me extra for it to boot

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iamlindoro:

(not that I didn't get the money back, but what if I had just come in, taken the copy, and walked out? I would have gotten to pay $10 extra just to let them have my money sooner)

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iamlindoro:

Then my neighbor informs me that he downloaded 1080p copies of the films a week ago (before they came out today)

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iamlindoro:

makes one proud to be the last guy in America willing to pay for anythign

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sphex:

hey. is it possible to have another computer help a backend with the ads flagging / transcoding?

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m00t:

sphex: I think that you need to configure a slave backend

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iamlindoro:

No need for a slave backend, just run the jobqueue

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m00t:

jobqueue is a cron job?

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iamlindoro:

no, it's a daemon

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sphex:

iamlindoro: what?

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iamlindoro:

mythjobqueue

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iamlindoro:

can be run on any system by any user with a valid mysql.txt/config.xml, is more or less a configuration-free subset of the backend that only does jobs (rather than recordings, etc.)

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sphex:

nice

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iamlindoro:

no muss, no fuss

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sphex:

iamlindoro: thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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m00t:

and he needs a NFS to share the folder with the videos

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iamlindoro:

not if all he cares about is commflagging

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iamlindoro:

transcode, yes, commflag, no

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m00t:

for commflagging which algorithm are you using? Mine takes a lot of resources CPU and I/O

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iamlindoro:

The default settings, as 99.99% of people should

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sphex:

I guess commflagging would be enough to let the backend record near full-time. but say I wanted transcode too, how would I tell mythjobqueue where's the NFS mount point on that other computer?

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sphex:

hrm maybe with --override I guess

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iamlindoro:

You wouldn't, you'd just mount them in identical spots

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sphery:

sphex: mythtranscode only works on "local" files--i.e. you have to have the identical paths

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iamlindoro:

echo echo echo

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iamlindoro:

;)

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sphex:

ah ok..

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sphex:

heh makes sense

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** iamlindoro taps his watch, looks sternly at Fox waiting for Fringe to happen **

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wagnerrp:

fringe was actually short today

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wagnerrp:

only like 55min from start to finish

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wagnerrp:

it ended before the hour, even with AI going over

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iamlindoro:

boo

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m00t:

How can I find if my my tuner can be used with lirc?

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wagnerrp:

tuners do not get used with LIRC

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m00t:

I have a Hauppauge HVR-950Q

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m00t:

but when the module loads says that the tuner support IR

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wagnerrp:

the 950 does not appear to have a remote

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wagnerrp:

ah, the 01198 model does

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m00t:

950Q has a different chipset than 950

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m00t:

it is using xc5000

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m00t:

[ 23.227167] tveeprom 2–0050: has no radio, has IR receiver, has no IR transmitter

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squidly:

I'm haiving an issue with mythweather.. (ie it does not work at all), i'm on ubuntu 9.04 for the backend. my fronend log show "Table 'mythconverg.weatherscreens' doesn't exist QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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m00t:

you need to create that MySQL table

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wagnerrp:

well try the 'hauppauge' driver in lirc, but dont expect much

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iamlindoro:

HVR-950Q has no lirc support yet AFAIK

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wagnerrp:

all im turning up in searches says its not working

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m00t:

I have searched also...

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squidly:

m00t: I figued that, but where are is the schema?

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m00t:

squidly: try to uninstall it and reinstall the mythweather pachage if you are using a package based distro

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m00t:

the install scripts will ask you about the mysql password and will create the table

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iamlindoro:

umm

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

That is not how myth's tables get created

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iamlindoro:

Myth creates all of its own tables internally

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m00t:

oh

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squidly:

iamlindoro: that is kind of what I thought.

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iamlindoro:

Only the DB itself is created when installing myth itself

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m00t:

so that means that the initial installation is not complete?!

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iamlindoro:

The fact that you are getting DB table errors means you have a broken DB or mismatched Myth versions

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iamlindoro:

Check for crashed tables

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oobe:

i had a problem with mythweather missing tables

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squidly:

iamlindoro: how?

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oobe:

is that whats going on here

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iamlindoro:

mysqlcheck -u root mythconverg or run the optimize_mythdb.pl script

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kormoc:

likely need a -p

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Yeah, guess for some reason I got in my head he was using *buntu

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iamlindoro:

in which case the root password is empty by default

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oobe:

http://localhost/mythweb/settings/database

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

empty?

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** squidly blinks **

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iamlindoro:

yep

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** kormoc sighs deeply **

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iamlindoro:

the mysql root password, that is to say, for those not following

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squidly:

iamlindoro: yea I'm using ubuntu, but I dont do a blank toor passord

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iamlindoro:

*mysql* root?

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squidly:

iamlindoro: correct

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iamlindoro:

dunno what to tell you, it's blank by default in ubuntu

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** squidly is a security engineer blank passwords == bad bad bad **

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squidly:

iamlindoro: I know, I fixed it

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iamlindoro:

Well if you changed it, that'

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iamlindoro:

s different

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squidly:

iamlindoro: heh yea

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squidly:

also I use a limited user for mysql

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squidly:

it only has access to mythconverge

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** kormoc wonders when ubuntu will just patch auth entirely out of mysql for user friendlyness **

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, just alias mysqld to mysqld_safe?

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iamlindoro:

:)

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squidly:

kormoc: if they do I will bug it..

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iamlindoro:

with --skpi-grant-tables

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iamlindoro:

skip

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squidly:

that is just flipping stupid. I can understand the disabled root by defualt

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iamlindoro:

that is

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kormoc:

true enough

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squidly:

iamlindoro: I've used that to crack a db before

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

so by-passing the auth with a command line option is now cracking?

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squidly:

kormoc: not really, but I was not supposed to be able ot do that on the system (I had permission)

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m00t:

:)

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iamlindoro:

anyway, if all the tables are okay, you can run DELETE from SETTINGS where value = "WeatherDBSchemaVer";

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m00t:

have you tried also init=/bin/bash at boot time?

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squidly:

m00t: yea

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iamlindoro:

which will erase the schema setting and force the recreation of the weather tables next tiem you enter mythweather

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squidly:

that ususaly works, though init=1 works bettter

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** kormoc blinks **

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squidly:

and I like busybox better too

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iamlindoro:

I better get a soda before all this l33t hacking info seeps in

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kormoc:

=1? that'd be a invalid binary on my boxes....

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squidly:

kormoc: that makes it a runlevel

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kormoc:

only if your init system supported that, don't think mine do...

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** kormoc pokes **

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squidly:

kormoc: lol

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squidly:

kormoc: what u running?

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squidly:

bsd?

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kormoc:

Gentoo

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m00t:

kormoc: have you replaced init or you are using a distro with a different init

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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squidly:

kormoc: I;m actually getting rid of gentoo on my systems

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iamlindoro:

I absolve myself of any further helping since we've gone off topic with wang measuring

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squidly:

lol iamlindoro

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squidly:

iamlindoro: I dont see that in my mythconverge tables

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kormoc:

Yeah, 1 isn't a valid binary, cpu haulted

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iamlindoro:

don't see what?

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squidly:

ok WHAT IN THE BINARY!

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iamlindoro:

umm

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iamlindoro:

huh?

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squidly:

iamlindoro: the delete you said from earlier

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iamlindoro:

Did you run the delete I wrote, or are you trying to macguyver things?

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iamlindoro:

The ol' "I know better, I'll just go in and twiddle this?"

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squidly:

i'm tyirn go see if the blasted table is there in the frst place

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iamlindoro:

you sertainly have settings

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iamlindoro:

er certainly

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iamlindoro:

if you don't have that, your DB is broken

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iamlindoro:

badly

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kormoc:

majorly broken

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squidly:

thank you GENTOO!

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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squidly:

kormoc: gentoo has broken more stuff on me in the last 6 months then anythign else

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** iamlindoro blames himself until proven otherwise **

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kormoc:

Gentoo doesn't break anything, users break things....

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iamlindoro:

For *my* problems, that is

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iamlindoro:

Your problems are your fault :)

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squidly:

kormoc: tell me, why have i had to not update my system for the past YEAR because of broken dependencies? Corupt builds?

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kormoc:

Works for me (tm)(r)

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squidly:

and the tabels are there?

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iamlindoro:

*"Works for me" is a wholly owned subsidiary of KorCorp, patent pending

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kormoc:

most certainly

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squidly:

ok this is scrwed up

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squidly:

mysql> select * from weatherdatalayout;

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squidly:

ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mythconverg.weatherdatalayout' doesn't exist

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squidly:

and I see it in a show tables;

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kormoc:

SHOW TABLE STATUS;

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kormoc:

see what it's status is

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squidly:

not there

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kormoc:

so

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kormoc:

the files are likely corrupt, check the mysqld logs

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kormoc:

worse comes to worse, just delete the files from the disk for the table

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kormoc:

but honestly, that's likely disk corruption or a very buggy filesystem

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kormoc:

or a mysql 6.0 beta....

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squidly:

ext3 raid1 should not be buggy

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kormoc:

have you done a verify on the raid recently?

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squidly:

kormoc: yep

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kormoc:

and did you check the mis-matched block count?

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squidly:

yes

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iamlindoro:

System must have sand in its vagina

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** kormoc claps **

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squidly:

its an innodb issue

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wagnerrp:

im trying to visualize that.... and i just cant do it

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iamlindoro:

The longer you try, the more fun it becomes, trust me

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wagnerrp:

would that be like... dust in the front intake?

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squidly:

wait wrong db

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iamlindoro:

It's so hard to imagine one in 5.25" form factor?

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wagnerrp:

well that wouldnt be a standard component

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iamlindoro:

Well no

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wagnerrp:

although it does remind me of an old SNL skit... the Chrysler Mistress

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wagnerrp:

there was a 'special' way to open the trunk

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squidly:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Wasn't it a Mercury?

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wagnerrp:

seems you are correct

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wagnerrp:

not sure why i thought it was chrysler

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squidly:

ok iamlindoro the delete worked, I had to set myfrontend to -u to allow the update

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squidly:

ty :D

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iamlindoro:

np

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squidly:

time to fix the screens again

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squidly:

(ie figure out what one is the best for where I live)

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, you notice the missing 13 on the elevator in fridge towards the end

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** kormoc wonders if that just spoiled something **

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Shadow__X:

nope

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Shadow__X:

i think it might have a meaning or just an oversight

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iamlindoro:

Heh, it doesn't have meaning

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iamlindoro:

Most Older buildings on the east coast and elsewhere don't have 13th floors

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iamlindoro:

it's a superstition thing

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iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_floor

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mattwj2002:

that is crazy

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mattwj2002:

:P

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iamlindoro:

Point being it wasn't a production decision in Fringe, but rather a sign they probably just filmed it in an actual elevator :)

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tank-man:

... 9, 10, 11, 12, 14th floor ... stupidstition

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Girkers:

Hi all!

[08:21:03]

Girkers:

I have a question about the key mapping on a frontend, is anyone able to help?

[08:22:43]

Dassu:

I believe there was a plugin for that.

[08:23:25]

tank-man:

you want to modify what a keyboard key does?

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Girkers:

Well here is the situation I have a MBE/FE and a standalone FE...

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Girkers:

The both have the exact same remote control being a TwinHan usb, which is just a keyboard in a remote control...

[08:25:30]

Girkers:

I have configured the key mappings on the MBE, but the FE appears to have it's own key mappings, yet I have told the FE not to have unique settings...

[08:25:48]

Girkers:

So how do I get the same key mapping on both the MBE and FE?

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tank-man:

how did you configure the key mappings on the masterbackend?

[08:29:25]

Girkers:

I have an sql file that I "carry" with me between installations.

[08:30:39]

Girkers:

The file appears to have the host name in the data, and I have tried change that to the FE's name but that simply mapped the keys for the FE and removed the keys for the MBE.

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tank-man:

if your editing the db directly, you know more than me :)

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tank-man:

have you tried using mythweb to alter the key mappings?

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Girkers:

Not quite, but sort of. I have looked at mythweb and whilst I can edit each of the frontends manually it seems a lot of work to have to do it that way, plus...

[08:35:26]

Girkers:

I have the same remote, so I want to have exactly the same keys, it helps with the WAF and it would be easier with one set of key settings. Thanks for trying though.

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Dassu:

Hey, can I somehow tell mythbox to shutdown after recording if a) time to next recording is over 30mins b) automatic startup was assumed (Machine was waken up automatically)

[08:56:42]

Dassu:

mythwelcome can maybe do that but I dont want it to even appear if I start my mythbox manually

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Girkers:

For those watching at home, I think I have worked out my key mapping issue...

[09:05:12]

Girkers:

What I did was delete all the keybinding preferences for the FE and then insert them that way.

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Girkers:

I just need to test it later on, tanks, tank-man for you help though.

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oobe:

mythfrontend always seg faults

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oobe:

just kidding

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oobe:

it works fine

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clever:

oobe: ive sometimes had a weird problem where EVERYTHING segfaults:P

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oobe:

it happens somtimes i guess

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clever:

its only when i use virtualbox

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clever:

i think its corrupting the linux kernel and making it do abnormal things

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oobe:

yeah wow i havent run linux much in virtual box

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clever:

this was the other way arround

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clever:

linux host, windows guest

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clever:

it somehow corrupts the host system

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clever:

but until that happens, it outperforms normal windows

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oobe:

ok so maybe the vbox drivers corrupt the kernel which is what i think you said already

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clever:

yep

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oobe:

i installed win7 in vbox the other day just to see

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clever:

its hard to debug the kernel normaly

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clever:

it will be even harder to debug it when everything you start segfaults and sleep() returns instantly causing 100% cpu usage

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oobe:

they did a nice job of repackaging existing interfaces and putting there logo on top

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clever:

lol:)

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oobe:

:)

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clever:

i got a rip of win7 beta before it was released for beta, but never got arround to even mounting the image

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oobe:

yeah i did it the other night for a lark

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oobe:

since they have free keys and mirrors with rc1

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oobe:

it was very quick to do it on a whim

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clever:

lately ive been having trouble getting my main laptop to even power on

[10:00:04]

oobe:

does it run xp

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clever:

the laptop has 2 power LED's, the 2nd one doesnt even come on

[10:00:24]

clever:

its not even getting anywhere close to the bois

[10:00:26]

clever:

bios*

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oobe:

oh

[10:00:38]

clever:

the harddrive isnt even getting a chance to spin up

[10:00:38]

oobe:

so its a hardware prob

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clever:

it looks like a hardware problem, but once i get the damn thing turned on, it runs for weeks

[10:01:09]

oobe:

laptops are a right off for me once they need repair

[10:01:34]

clever:

ive replaced the hinges in this one once allready

[10:01:38]

clever:

twice in the other laptop

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oobe:

is it a dell

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clever:

both are

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oobe:

yeah thats the first thing to go in dell

[10:02:17]

clever:

the dell c600 blew both hinges(original and replacement) and is now bearly holding together

[10:02:34]

AndyCap:

like a beartrap?

[10:02:37]

clever:

the d600 blew the hinges once and has since been replaced

[10:03:06]

clever:

now the d600's ethernet keeps crapping out(wont even show on lspci) and is refusing to turn on half the time

[10:03:22]

oobe:

my dads laptop is a dell and the right hinge is cracked but it still works ok

[10:03:41]

oobe:

how much does it cost to replace the backplate

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clever:

with the c600, the stub of metal for the hinge broke at the screw holes and came loose

[10:03:54]

clever:

and then tore half the frame out in that area

[10:04:23]

clever:

with the d600, the part of the hinge that actualy turns broke, and it just became free floating like a door

[10:04:55]

clever:

theres allmost nothing for the c600 hinge to attach to anymore, id have to replace half the frame

[10:05:42]

clever:

so far, the d630 has blown a nvidia chip, but nothing mechanical

[10:06:34]

laga:

clever: i have *one* laptop. am i doing something wrong?

[10:06:59]

clever:

i think i have 8 in the garage+house

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clever:

2 of those i actualy use

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clever:

the toshiba's lack a pci bus and cant use ethernet or wifi, and only have 20mb of ram

[10:08:11]

clever:

the toughbooks, one is passworded and the other is fried

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clever:

(thats 5)

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clever:

the gateway has bearly any ram

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clever:

so i'm using the 2 remaining dells

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oobe:

how old are the dells

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clever:

dont remember the exact year we got them

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oobe:

yeah i just looked it up one is a p3 and other is p4ish

[10:15:01]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz

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clever:

c600=1ghz, d600=1.6ghz, d630=c2d 1.8ghz

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oobe:

i made a wordpress site but i havent put anything on it

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oobe:

i have about 7 things i been meaning to write but i guess you have to be in the mood

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stuarta:

i need to re-engineer my backend system, nice low power consumption etc etc

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oobe:

how do you mean

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stuarta:

me?

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oobe:

yea

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oobe:

like just acpi shutdown

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stuarta:

i mean like a cpu with low TDP

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oobe:

are you using amd powernowd

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johnf:

Is it possible to use an external player for recordings (not mythvideo)?

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stuarta:

my current backend is a crappy old p3 box

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oobe:

oh ok

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stuarta:

power throttling is an alien concept to it :)

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oobe:

johnf, nope

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oobe:

yeah lol

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oobe:

does it commflag

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johnf:

oobe: hmm that's a pain. Am using mythnettv which is encoding some quicktime files into avi using mencoder. They play back fine in mplayer but the internal player is playing the video at 2–5x normal playback

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oobe:

you can use mplayer for that or Internal

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oobe:

but for recordings and livetv you can use an external player

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johnf:

oobe: So I can use mplayer for recordings?

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oobe:

just import the videos you encode to mythvideo

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oobe:

nope

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oobe:

just mythvideo

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johnf:

yup was aware of that

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johnf:

might try and fix the encoding instead

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oobe:

or import into mythvideo

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johnf:

oobe: sort of defeats the purpose of what I'm trying to achieve with mythnettv

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oobe:

yea im not familar with it am looking at it now

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oobe:

but im under the impression it gets video streams encodes them then imports them as tv recordings

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johnf:

oobe: correct. You give it an RSS feed and it import the videos

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oobe:

is it possible to make a mythvideo folder and export them to there instead

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stuarta:

doesn't sound terribly legal

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** stuarta reads up **

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stuarta:

okay, not as bad as it seems

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justinh:

morny morny all :)

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** stuarta waves to justinh **

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oobe:

now what would be totally illegal is to have apt repo's for all the latest tv rips

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stuarta:

!trout oobe bad things

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** MythLogBot slaps oobe with a bad things trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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oobe:

sudo apt-get install house s05e24

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oobe:

and of course apt would automatically update your metadate to

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karaokequeen:

Anyone have the most recent link to the windows perl packager?

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|chiz|:

When I leave mythtv on livetv over night it doesn't do too well in the morning, the livetv is very pixelated and the audio pauses a lot. What might cause this? I realize that it probably has something to do with all the recordings it makes but I wouldn't mind if it was able to handle being left on for a long time

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justinh:

there are 2 lessons in there

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|chiz|:

yeah?

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Essobi:

*YAWN* Morning everyone.

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Kitty:

when mythtv records a program, does it store it with a sensible file name on disk somewhere ?

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jams:

yes it does, but if your looking for a name like title-subtitle.mpeg then the answer is no. You would need to run a program like mythlink or mythrename to achieve that

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Kitty:

okies

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Kitty:

does mythtv allow me to import stuff I already have as .avi's ?

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kormoc:

mythvideo will

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Kitty:

ok, you will have to excuse my total ignorance on this one

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Kitty:

what is the difference between mythvideo and mythtv?

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_abbenormal:

video plays stored video tv play live tv

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Kitty:

aah

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Kitty:

that is logical

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jams:

mythvideo is a plugin for mythtv.

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iamlindoro:

Sooooo many IONs

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iamlindoro:

http://www.ionbased.com/2009/05/tons-of-new-i . . . ps-pictured/

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franciscogimenez:

how can i read the content of hd usb under mythtv?

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Kitty:

cheers guys, thanks for hte help

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iamlindoro:

Including tons of brand names that I've never heard of

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laga:

iamlindoro: like samwong? n0kia?

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iamlindoro:

laga: Close-- like Weibu and funtwist and Spux

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iamlindoro:

er supx

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iamlindoro:

Not that I don't enjoy the occasional funtwist

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iamlindoro:

"SupX QMiBook – Quick your life"

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iamlindoro:

Nice

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mzb:

kormoc: suggestion for your ical upcoming:

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mzb:

$event->setProperty('location', $show->channel->callsign);

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** mzb thought that was a great idea ... until he realised kormoc wasn't around :| **

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mzb:

ah well

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Essobi:

anyone familiar with how the internal sound driver works on the bttv devices? I've got to ATIs I can't seem to figure out how to get audio from short of using the jack on the back.

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loetiege:

i`m loooking for read a usb hd from mythtv, its possible w/o do simbolics links?

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XxshriiimpxX_:

http://berlin.pennergame.de/change_please/5892064/

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laga:

don't click

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iamlindoro:

BAN

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jamiem:

whatis

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wagnerrp:

what was the website?

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wagnerrp:

well now im just more intrigued...

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wagnerrp:

go go lynx!

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rotty:

is there a setting (inside mythfrontend) to enable realtime prio for the display thread?

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rotty:

or is that enabled automatically if possible?

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laga:

yes

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laga:

there is a setting

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, you have to run the frontend as root for it to work

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laga:

no, check the mythtv manual

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rotty:

laga: found it, thanks. if mythfrontend does enable realtime prio, it would say on stdout/stderr right?

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv expects that the only other thing you would be running on a machine would be background system maintenance tasks

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GreyFoxx:

I know this is out of place here... but anyone know a good app or ffmpeg command for converting a mp3 clip into a nokia compatible ringtone file ?:)

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rotty:

wagnerrp: according to the docs it can be enabled via pam limits.conf

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mindjuju:

before I get LARTed out of here, hear me out! quick question. i've read the FAQ (though haven't downloaded the files to be able to look at the file that lists all the video cards that work with myth) but was just wondering if there was a consensus on what cards REALLY seemed to work well with myth. From what I gleamed, it sounds like the PVR-150 – PVR-500

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mindjuju:

did i get it right?

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mindjuju:

would like to have the encoding done onboard the tuner card

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mindjuju:

and best compatibility with muth

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mindjuju:

ugg, myth

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wagnerrp:

if you want analog capture, thats the one to use

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mindjuju:

thx wagnerrp, mind if i ask which card you picked and why?

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wagnerrp:

ive got a pair of 150s

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mindjuju:

do you use SATA drives or do you find that PATAs can keep up with dual streams?

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mindjuju:

in all honesty, i've attempted DVR using Windows media center and an ATI All in Wonder, and it works horribly

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squidly:

mindjuju: I use a RAID 5, mostly for storage space. I was using a PATA drive and it was doing pretty well for me

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mindjuju:

i want to really get a good setup and do it right

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mindjuju:

thx for the info on PATAs, squidly, i'll stick with the PATAs i have and focus on the cards and running Myth

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mindjuju:

lastly, from what i've read, the digital conversion won't affect the PVR-150 cards, have y'all found that to be true?

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iamlindoro:

Won't affect you if you're capturing from a Set Top Box, definitely will if you want to use antenna

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: are you looking forward to .22 ?

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squidly:

mindjuju: I'm pulling from Comcast into my PVR-150 and PVR-250. With PATA you will hit some latency, expeically if you are doing anythign with larger files

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squidly:

if you can, I would recomend you go with sata

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Essobi:

Anyone running bttvs?

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mindjuju:

iamlindoro – i'm on comcast, forgot to mention that, sorry

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Essobi:

I've got two ATIs, and I can't seem to find any docs on the sound driver portion of the cards, so you don't have to use the loopback cables and a local soundcard.

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mindjuju:

squidly, maybe i'll just a different box to record then (that has SATAs)

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mindjuju:

thx gents!

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Essobi:

squidly: Intel SDDs are rocking for myth too. ;)

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iamlindoro:

not a lot of point in using an SSD for Myth

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iamlindoro:

no good for recordings, and for a frontend only might as well netboot or boot off of a thumb drive or compact flash

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squidly:

iamlindoro: save perhaps for a frontend

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squidly:

but yea netboot would actually be better ;)

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Essobi:

Umm.. low disk latency is a benefit if you're recording multiple streams and using mythfrontend. :)

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squidly:

mindjuju: yea I do a server-client setyp

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squidly:

setup*

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Essobi:

You're effectively limited to how many streams you can record simultaneously by available drive throughput, and ops per second..

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iamlindoro:

Essobi: The volumes of data in a recording are *trivial* for a regular hard drive-- I personally have recorded 15 simultaneous programs and still watched HD material from a single hard disk

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iamlindoro:

Again, recording is a *trivial* amount of data

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Essobi:

15 HD recording on a non-raided SATA drive?

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Essobi:

What kind of drive?

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justinh:

HD is like 18 megabits/sec if you're lucky

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iamlindoro:

2–3 MB a second *max* per HD stream, this is miniscule

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Essobi:

Really? I figured it was way more then that.. I'm rather green in myth/hdtv still. :)

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justinh:

I tried maxxing out a backend running on ATA33 once.. and I failed even with 10 simultaneous SDTV recordings

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Essobi:

Nice..

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iamlindoro:

Ergo, don't waste money on SSD

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iamlindoro:

not for myth anyway

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sid3windr:

but Essobi has SDD's

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Essobi:

lol

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sid3windr:

Solid Disk Drives? :)

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iamlindoro:

Though it's a convenient way of measuring one's 3.5 inch wang

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squidly:

iamlindoro: haha

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justinh:

people like to compare wangs on the internets

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Essobi:

justinh: what were you using for 10 streams?

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justinh:

especially on IRC

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Essobi:

justinh: ... I don't.

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Essobi:

I'm comfortable with my wang. :)

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justinh:

tuners !

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jduggan:

i wish min ewas bigger

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sid3windr:

vpenis.sh !

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Essobi:

justinh: Yea.. I mean... 10 bttvs in a box or what? :)

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iamlindoro:

Multirec

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justinh:

DVB-T tuners. no lamegrabbers here. PFFT

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Essobi:

hehehe.

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iamlindoro:

I had a bttv tuner once, when mandrake still existed

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Essobi:

I had two bttvs donated to me over the weekend.. still can't get myth to work properly w/them but xawtv is working fine.

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justinh:

like I could afford the sort of CPU grunt I'd need to squeeze 10 framegrabbers in real time..

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Essobi:

What's the overhead in framegrabbers? xawtv registered 0.01 load with both playing to the screen...

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justinh:

next to nothing if you're not capturing & compressing the video to disk with software

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justinh:

aka software encoding

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iamlindoro:

xawtv just blasts it out, never encodes it or touches the drive-- Myth, however, needs to compress it on the fly and write to sidk

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iamlindoro:

er disk

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iamlindoro:

and encode the audio

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justinh:

haha @ Dell launching a site just for women. It's not patronising at all. Ahem. not bloody much anyway

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iamlindoro:

You know scary complicated mancomputers scare their delicate ladyparts

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** iamlindoro hopes meshe has a solid grasp of sarcasm **

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mindjuju:

justinh, what is URL?

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justinh:

http://content.dell.com/us/en/home/della.aspx

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squidly:

hahah

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squidly:

that is great!

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iamlindoro:

"Della?"

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iamlindoro:

jesus

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squidly:

yea.. my fiancee would so go for it!

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justinh:

Wook. awww, it's totally pwetty!

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justinh:

maybe we should all hide. it could be that the worm is beginning to turn!

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iamlindoro:

$76 1TB Hitachi Deskstars

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iamlindoro:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . ;prodlist=cj

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iamlindoro:

It can only be better than Seagate

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wagnerrp:

i thought i had a hitachi or two in my array, but it seems not

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wagnerrp:

maybe that was the older 300GB array

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wagnerrp:

my parents have been complaining that their computer has been loud recently

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Essobi:

... fan or drives likely..

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wagnerrp:

i just opened it up to find a nice layer of dust over the top of the heatsink

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Essobi:

NICE.

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Essobi:

probably tossed a bearing in the said fan from heat.

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Dagmar:

I'm half considering building a wooden box about 19" x 19" x 19" with some casters and enough slack space to wedge in a hepa filter and fan because of crap like that

[19:52:37]

wagnerrp:

i accidentally dropped my laptop on one of the hard tile floors at school

[19:52:54]

wagnerrp:

while it luckily didnt do any damage, it managed to break up a block of dust on the heatsink

[19:53:02]

wagnerrp:

and so there was a spray of dust when i turned it back on

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luker:

Hello MythTV users

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luker:

I have a delay between audio (first) and video (second) of about half a second.

[19:55:02]

Dagmar:

Connect your framegrabber card correctly, like it says in the documentation

[19:55:05]

kormoc:

framegrabber?

[19:55:27]

Dagmar:

We've heard this particular complaint far too often from people who didn't watch what they were doing carefully

[19:55:31]

luker:

Should I first try to fix it in MythTV or is it possibly a general system setting?

[19:55:53]

iamlindoro:

My solution to this problem involves gasoline

[19:55:55]

kormoc:

it's system settings

[19:55:57]

iamlindoro:

and matches

[19:56:03]

Dagmar:

Let me guess, you hear TV audio when you're not watching TV, but when it's recording, ,right?

[19:56:05]

iamlindoro:

and any and all framegrabbers

[19:56:26]

kormoc:

all over a stapler

[19:56:51]

wagnerrp:

not a field, with a bat, and angry rap music?

[19:56:59]

iamlindoro:

Your name is Michael.... Bolton?

[19:58:20]

luker:

Partly, yes. The audio keeps playing even after I closed MythTV.

[19:58:21]

wagnerrp:

awesome! a HAZMAT team was called into an AT&T building in San Jose over abandoned fridge food

[19:58:30]

squidly:

wagnerrp: yea I saw that

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squidly:

it was funny

[19:58:44]

squidly:

hopefully they will find a way to fix ther networks as well

[19:58:45]

squidly:

;)

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wagnerrp:

luker: simply put, you are not capturing the audio, you are simply passing it through the sound card

[19:59:16]

wagnerrp:

so the audio gets played in real time, while the video gets played with myth's recording delay

[19:59:17]

luker:

And again, yes.

[19:59:46]

luker:

I recorded a movie once. There was no sound during playback.

[20:00:15]

luker:

Ah, I see. That's excactly what you said a minute ago.

[20:00:55]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Just down the road!

[20:01:29]

iamlindoro:

From seeing some of the folks from there at lunch, apparently it's mostly haphazardly mixed industrial cleaners

[20:02:11]

iamlindoro:

ie I want "A" Cleaner and "B" abrasive scrubber, I'll just apply both at once!

[20:03:01]

luker:

So how am I supposed to set the mixer in order to use MythTV as intended?

[20:03:18]

iamlindoro:

There's a prety in-depth discussion of exactly that in the manual

[20:03:39]

iamlindoro:

though some jerk hid it under a confusing title like "Configuring Sound"

[20:03:46]

iamlindoro:

</sarcasm>?

[20:03:56]

iamlindoro:

s/?//

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luker:

Ok, let me read a little. . . . . or more. Bye for the moment.

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ernstp:

with mythbuntu 9.04, after watching a program, mythtv no longer updates the program guide from EPG

[20:12:42]

** kormoc cues the dramatic music **

[20:12:49]

ernstp:

worked with my old 8.10 mythbuntu, did a complete reinstall with 9.04

[20:12:57]

ernstp:

so up until I watch the first program after rebooting, it updates from the EPG. then it stops.

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Essobi:

I'm headed home..

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iamlindoro:

Oh, okay, make sure to write when you get there or we'll all worry

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iamlindoro:

You should probably let me know when you enter and leave the bathroom too. You know, safety first

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luker:

Hello folks, I'm back.

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luker:

And the sound is now being played back synchronuousely with video.

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luker:

At least, I think so.

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luker:

Because the direct audio is played back, too.

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luker:

How can I mute it? KMix already has Line muted.

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luker:

With AC97 set to zero the double audio is gone.

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sphery:

luker: chances are that "AC97" is /not/ a volume control, but a switch--i.e. likely has 4 positions (0, 33, 66, 100) or the like... It switches how sound is routed in your card. You'll need to check ALSA docs (heh, as if) or source or just browse random message boards until you find a nice description of the meaning of the values for your particular sound card. Or, if you think it's set right now (and all works as desired), ...

[21:33:43]

sphery:

... just be happy that you stumbled across the right switch to flip.

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Dagmar:

So before he was getting the audio from the recorded stream AND the live audio that was being sent passthrough, and now he's not

[21:36:09]

sphery:

"kernel sources within the video search path"? I /really/ hope that was a joke...

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Dagmar:

sphery: Proper answer: Please, DIAF

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sphery:

heh, had to look that one up

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sphery:

btw, Dagmar , dyne:bolic fails to boot on my system... Gets to "loading modules for PCI bus" and hangs forever

[21:38:14]

Dagmar:

Actually, I have a better idea.

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sphery:

won't even Ctrl-Alt-Del reboot then

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Dagmar:

Hmm... ACPI lockups perhaps

[21:38:47]

sphery:

I finally figured that just installing Cinelerra on my system is faster than trying to get a livecd working

[21:39:04]

sphery:

haven't done it, yet, though... will try in a bit

[21:39:21]

Dagmar:

Suggest a patch that for every file in the video search path which is not a video file, Myth gives the user a dialog box that says "You appear to have kernel sources in your video search path. These will not be playable by MythVideo. [OK]"

[21:39:33]

Dagmar:

Each. And. Every. File.

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sphery:

heh... that would be funny

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Dagmar:

Have fun compiling Cinelerra

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Dagmar:

May god have mercy on your soul

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sphery:

heh... I'm going with cinelerra-cv (as it has a /lot/ of build fixes)

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Dagmar:

It's a "typical C++ app from 1995" in that respect

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Dagmar:

Oh you lucky dog

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sphery:

at least it /sounds/ less daunting than compiling straight-up cinelerra

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Dagmar:

Anything will help

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Dagmar:

I can easilyl compare it with building Festival from sources

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sphery:

speaking of which... compiling enblend/enfuse (800KB source package) took >5hrs on my Athlon 64 3000+ w/1GB RAM... HDD thrashing, system completely unusable during the compile. Amazing how slow it was.

[21:42:10]

sphery:

gcc's c++ compiler is /not/ well optimized for speed :)

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laga:

sounds like it was swapping

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sphery:

yeah, got deep into swap

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sphery:

was amazed at how much memory it used--it's really a small couple of programs.

[21:43:12]

clever:

sphery: the last card i used the framegrabber with was real whack, i had to turn the passthru on to record it, and then mute the PCM channel to get some silence

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sphery:

http://enblend.sourceforge.net/

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clever:

so i couldnt record&play at the same time

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clever:

and now the sound card doesnt even work, mplayer just spews errors that /dev/snd/someting doesnt exist

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sphery:

yeah, there are some sound cards that just aren't worth the trouble to figure out...

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clever:

i fixed it with an hour of trial&error and fliping every switch posible

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clever:

while feeding an mp3 player into the inputs, playing the passthru localy, and recording in the other room

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JEDIDIAH__:

hullo all...

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JEDIDIAH__:

the mysql server on my master backend was going crazy today. when I watched it, I saw it get up to as much as 150% cpu. I had to turn off jobs on the box because when they would run the whole thing would grind itself to a halt.

[21:47:37]

JEDIDIAH__:

now... I was wondering if anyone had any ideas about how I could throttle mysql so it doesn't take any more than a cpu.

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RyeBrye:

I'd repair / optimize the tables first

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Dagmar:

It's probably in the docs, "somewhere", but everything else related to it can be answered by `man nice` or `man renice`

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JEDIDIAH__:

I'm not sure nice would do it.

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JEDIDIAH__:

my myth jobs already run at a nice of 17

[21:49:23]

JEDIDIAH__:

...I did optimize the tables again too but it took it awhile to settle down after that.

[21:51:12]

JEDIDIAH__:

...bound to happen, managed to get the secondary backend with the hdpvr stable. Murphy just wasn't going to let that go.

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squidly:

can MythLogBot import a vcd?

[21:53:01]

squidly:

not the log bot

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squidly:

but mythtv

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JEDIDIAH__:

why the fixation on myth doing the "heavy lifting" here? Once you've liberated something from it's original media, just drop it on the backend in the right place and use the video manager.

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phunyguy:

lol @ tab

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kormoc:

dd if=/dev/vcd of=/path/to/store/vcd.iso && done

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iamlindoro:

Not that Myth will play the VCD format at last check

[21:57:39]

iamlindoro:

still needed to pass that to mplayer et al I believe

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kormoc:

JEDIDIAH__, you'd use taskset to limit it to a single cpu

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squidly:

iamlindoro: I have not fully tried yet.. but i think it will

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squidly:

iamlindoro: anywho ty I will try it ;)

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iamlindoro:

Heh, love it when people at work put the following as their tasks for the week: "Installed Qt on my machine."

[22:09:39]

JEDIDIAH__:

thx kormoc, I will try that...

[22:09:48]

JEDIDIAH__:

never seen mysqld get above 100% before.

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Dagmar:

Could be because you have a single-proc system

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JEDIDIAH__:

my master backend is 2 cores.

[22:10:59]

JEDIDIAH__:

has been for awhile now.

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JEDIDIAH__:

just never saw mysql run amok like that.

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Mozz:

does mythbuntu have support for mantis cards?

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Dagmar:

Try asking in #mythBuntu

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Mozz:

great idea :), thx

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jdblack_:

Yay. I have a winmce remote. The kernel loaded a driver for it.

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jdblack_:

I sould see something interesting just by running irw, right?

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RyeBrye:

depends upon your definition of interesting

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jdblack_:

dead silence?

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RyeBrye:

and if your lirc is setup to use it as a remote I presume

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Dare I ask whether you have plans to look at my Subtitle/TV Episode Support giganto-patch in the near future? There are several patches by other people which touches corrollary functionality (The OSD) which people have taken ownership and I'd really rather not have to rewrite again and again to keep my patched up to date with those future changes

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: which Subtitle/TV Episode Suport patch is this?

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iamlindoro:

Search for "Subtitle Season Episode" in trac

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jdblack_:

my goal is to take this brand new mce remote and usb receiver and control myth with it.

[22:31:13]

jdblack_:

Right now I'm trying to climb out of "clearly incompetent" into a higher state of enlightenment... perhaps "bewildered". =)

[22:31:36]

RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6346 ?

[22:31:45]

RyeBrye:

for mythvideo, right?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: You can always ask, won't happen today, very likely to have the weekend free though

[22:31:59]

iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: OK, just feeling a bit burnt out and don't want to see all the work go to waste if I get/am tired of things at a time it needs a rewrite-- it does not yet

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Anduin:

Yeah, eventually I'll get back to looking at the patches, I always just take the hit if it is my fault they no longer work.

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RyeBrye:

how accessible is the cc / subtitle data? I'm wondering how technically difficult it would be to index the different cc text and make it searchable

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Dagmar:

It's right there in the mpeg recordings, if you've got it

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RyeBrye:

Or just think of this scenario: have all your tuners active when not in use recording to a buffer and whenever the word 'bacon' is mentioned in any CC data – capture the 3 minutes before and after the bacon reference on that channel

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RyeBrye:

Eventually, you'd have one hell of a collection of "bacon" snippets

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meshe:

o.O

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clever:

sounds mildly fun, and mostly useless:P

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RyeBrye:

Well, you could rotate your topics – bacon one week, some celeb's name the next

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sphery:

but you'd miss out on all the, "New Jimmy Dean bacegg biscuit," kind of typo's/signal-o's snippets

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jdblack_:

I think the kernel module loaded no problem (automatically in fact), but irw is silent to me. any suggestions?

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sphery:

/etc/lircd.conf set up properly?

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jdblack_:

Maybe?

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jdblack_:

lircd starts without complaint

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meshe:

jdblack_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote

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sphery:

but if it lists the wrong signals, you won't get anything from irw

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Hempy:

just a quick question, do they have a free guide feed for myth now? i havent looked into making a mythbox in a while

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iamlindoro:

If you're in the US, no, as there are no free listings sources whos Terms of Service permit their use in Myth

[22:55:02]

iamlindoro:

so, "no, and there won't be," basically

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Hempy:

anyone make a script or something to pull them off a website, ect?

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meshe:

Schedules Direct is only $20/year and is integrated

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jdblack_:

Ok. As it happens, I'm using intrepid, which should have been pretty much automagic.

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iamlindoro:

That would be a violation of terms of service and would be unwelcome here

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Hempy:

does it have dish network also?

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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Dagmar:

It has pretty much everything, but you're quite welcome to make an account on there for free to find out

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meshe:

jdblack_: it would be automagic if you had the reciever connected during install

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Hempy:

ok thanx and one last question. is a older p3 system gonna be up to running a mythbox or am i gonna get alot of freezing

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jdblack_:

Looks like I answered the right questions (checked with dpkg-reconfigure)

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sphery:

Hempy: might work for standard-def only

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sphery:

you /need/ to have Xv support in the video driver, though

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Dagmar:

You should maybe consider looking at the documentation

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Hempy:

thats all im doin, dont need hidef

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jdblack_:

THough the usbid for this is "Topseed" rather than phillips, the module handling did load lirc_mce2 on it's own.

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sphery:

(as some cards you might encounter from the older PIII era may not have Xv support)

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Dagmar:

The documentation explains why a P3 might not be nearly enouogh

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sphery:

the system should run fine, though it will be a bit sluggish

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Dagmar:

It will not be usable with a framegrabber card.

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Hempy:

okie dokie im off to do some readin, just askin to see if its a waste of my time lol, thnx all

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sphery:

the biggest slowdown is likely to be a) the MySQL server (if running on the same system) and b) the HDD (but not for reading recordings--for swapping, as you likely will have too little RAM)

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meshe:

and Slim is your friend

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sphery:

IMHO, though, with computers far more powerful than my Myth boxes selling for < $200, using an old system is a waste of effort

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sphery:

(I'd recommend never using an old system that's less than about 2GHz processor)

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Hempy:

yeaha me thinks time for a trip to walmart lol

[23:01:18]

** meshe whistles innocently with her two 1.7Ghz celeron FE/BE combos **

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Dagmar:

It's always good to spend money before reading up

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sphery:

heh, 1.7GHz is "about" 2GHz...

[23:02:03]

Hempy:

i mean to price stuff lol, i just decided to build one of these on a whim

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sphery:

I technically have an Athlon XP 2000+ as a dedicated backend and it runs at 1667MHz...

[23:02:37]

sphery:

basically, though, something in that era...

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sphery:

1GHz processors are too slow, but 2GHz should be fine for SDTV/dedicated backend with hardware encoder or digital TV capture card

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meshe:

i have 2 machines that are 1.7 Ghz celery's one is a newer generation, but they weill do pretty much anything SD

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sphery:

yeah... the cut off is really in the range from 1–2GHz, but recommending 2GHz and leaving it up to the person who'll have to put up with the system to take shortcuts where desired is less responsibility for me :)

[23:04:31]

meshe:

both of them were built with stuff around the house + tuner cards and HDDs

[23:04:43]

meshe:

true

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iamlindoro:

Unless you live in a town where the one and only retail establishment is Walmart (I'm looking at YOU, Wooster Ohio) then you are bound to do much better buying something online

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meshe:

my mythbox will eventually get promoted to backend only and a new frontend will be built

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sphery:

yeah, my Athlon XP 2400+ was built with stuff around the house + tuner cards and HDD's and--ignoring the cost of tuner cards and HDD's--cost me about 2.5x as much as it would have cost to buy a brand new Athlon 64/Core 2 system...

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** iamlindoro wonders how many hours of his life have been wasted driving slowly behind a buggy in Ohio's Amish country... **

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: If Wal-Mart's your only option I'd say that would be an excellent reason *for* ordering online

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, Uhh... I just said that

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Dagmar:

Wal-Mart's already f**ked your town, no sense in rewarding them for doing that

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sphery:

(all the hardware except the CPU itself and the case failed after I deployed it and piecemeal replacement of old-generation/not-easily-available parts cost more than a new system)

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iamlindoro:

The point was, buy online

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meshe:

i haven't bought a new PC since `99

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Look carefully. You said the oppositive

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meshe:

built many though

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Dagmar:

"Unless you live in a town where the one and only retail establishment is Walmart..."

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Dagmar:

s/Unless/If/ and you're there

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iamlindoro:

Just when I thought this channel could get no more pedantic

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Dagmar:

..but nevermind me, my brains all fried from looking at porn er OLED spec sheets

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iamlindoro:

When's your next vacation?

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Dagmar:

that's not pedantry

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Dagmar:

It's like complaining when someone says "STOP AND I'LL SHOOT"

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iamlindoro:

I'll put it on my calendar as a relaxation week

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jdblack_:

yeah. I checked things over pretty carefully. I don't think I'm being silly.

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jdblack_:

seems odd that lirc doesn't have a debug option.

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Dagmar:

It doesn't need debug options

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Dagmar:

You can already make it spill raw data to the screen a dozen different ways

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jdblack_:

The only thing I can get out of it is "lircd(userspace) ready".

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jdblack_:

and the same in log. Nothing about talking to the usb device, no options to set debug, a silent irw.

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jdblack_:

hotplug managed to load what looks to be the appropriate module, but other than lirc saying 'everything looks great', complete silence regardless of how many buttons I mash, or evil stares that I'm sending at the little box.

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jdblack_:

So, if you can tell me how to get some debugging out any one of those dozen different ways that works, I'd be very appreciative.

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meshe:

i've always just run lircd in a terminal when thing weren't working right, then you can easily see the logs

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Dagmar:

I put a nice graphical breakdown in pert of the mythtv wiki documentation, as well as explain which tools debug which part of the process

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jdblack_:

Yeah, I ran lircd non-detach, and it's silent other than saying it started.

[23:32:17]

jdblack_:

As are the logs.

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC

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jdblack_:

That's the page I'm on. it's suggesting options for lircd that lircd doesn't claim to have.

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Dagmar:

You can cat /dev/lirc, or run ircat mythtv, or run irw depending on what you want to debug

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jdblack_:

I tried cat /dev/lirc on my own earlier, and that's also silent

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Dagmar:

Then your reciever is probably dead

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Dagmar:

If it's a serial reciever, you can try statserial on it, but it'll probably just tell you the same thing

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jdblack_:

This receiver is new. Literally.

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jdblack_:

I got it in the mail today.

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Dagmar:

Well then make sure you're initializing the serial port properly

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Dagmar:

i.e., you're not letting the serial.ko module grab it

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jdblack_:

it's a usb device

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jdblack_:

watched dmesg load up mce2usb

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Dagmar:

`modinfo modulename.ko`

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Dagmar:

One of these is probably named debug or verbose

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jdblack_:

Yup. there's a debug parm. I'll try that.

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jdblack_:

first, I'm trying a real machine. I was testing with an eeepc

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jdblack_:

AHA!

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jdblack_:

No problems on this real laptop here, with janty. Problems on the eeepc with intrepid.

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Dagmar:

So, probably a matter of the USB chipset driver effing up

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Dagmar:

Kind of a bummer that

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jdblack_:

That's fixable.

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jdblack_:

hopefully.

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jdblack_:

obviously I can't take the whole system to jaunty. THey horked up x up pretty bad for anything intel.

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