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Monday, May 11th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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Dagmar:

You could do that, but it will basically degrade the video slightly

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Dagmar:

You want to try to get your recordings at the same resolution you'd display them at

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Dagmar:

If you crop columns out from a 720 pixel wide video (for example) there's going to be some degradation due to rescaling when you play back that 711 pixel wide recording

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Dagmar:

Basically, reencode as seldom as possible

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|chiz|:

right

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|chiz|:

I increased the overscan, that fixed that

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|chiz|:

Is there an easy way to get rid of duplicate entries in the mythvideo database? Alot of my videos show up twice in the video manager and on mythweb, but the acual list looks fine

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|chiz|:

I figured it out

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|chiz|:

moved my videos folder so that it was empty then updated the manager and then moved it back then updated again

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cornell:

I'm trying to set up a myth slave. I run mythfilldatabase on the master, do I need to run it, even once, on the slave?

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frogonwheels:

cornell: nope

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mattwj20021:

hi everyone

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mattwj20021:

I need help I have a weird problem with mythtv

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mattwj2002:

it isn't displaying the text of the gui

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mattwj2002:

I just installed mythbuntu

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mattwj2002:

anyone have any ideas?

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mattwj2002:

this is a fresh install

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cornell:

Thanks frogonwheels

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mattwj2002:

cornell you have any idea?

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cornell:

Not really

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cornell:

I"m thinking of trying cat /dev/video0 > filename and then, if I get a non-zero file, opening /dev/video0 in xine

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cornell:

Regarding the duplication of keys, gonna try another keyboard. For the duplication on the remote, fresh batteries.

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cornell:

mmm... tried to watch livetv, got a blank screen for about a minute and then back to the menu. In recordings, I've a one minute recording. Attempting to play it, it says the file's empty.

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cornell:

And I've still no clue on how to stop the screen saver / blanking on the master (When I upgraded, it asked if I wanted to blank on idle after so many minutes, I put in 240. Now it blanks in 15 seconds :-( )

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frogonwheels:

mattwj2002: it happens, apparently – I need to know too. what video card?

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frogonwheels:

mattwj2002: fortunately, it doesn't happen on my media-pc -just my desktop (running as slave)

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cornell:

But thanks for asking, mattwj2002

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cornell:

oops... you were asking if I had any ideas about your problem ;-(

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cornell:

mattwj2002: first time myth's been on that box?

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frogonwheels:

cornell: for me, it was working – but after an upgrade (hmm.. possibly to 9.04 kubuntu) – it broke

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mattwj2002:

yeah I was asking if you guys knew how to fix it :)

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mattwj2002:

ATI X1150 I think

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mattwj2002:

one second I'll check

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cornell:

And, just to make certain I'm understanding... the gui comes up, I assume you mean the frontend... the theme is there and all, just no text, right?

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frogonwheels:

mattwj2002: Yeah – I think it might have something to do with ATI

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mattwj2002:

:(

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mattwj2002:

so there is nothing I can do?

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frogonwheels:

I'm just seeing if the latest package is going to fix it...

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cornell:

But the ATI worked prior to upgrade?

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frogonwheels:

yep

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mattwj2002:

yeah it worked with 8.10

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mattwj2002:

*Ubuntu 8.10

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frogonwheels:

I've seen the problem mentioned. there are some Xorg errors about bad pixmaps

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mattwj2002:

yeah exactly!

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cornell:

One would think that upgrading wouldn't "obsolete" the hardware... but considering the trouble I've had upgrading ;-)

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mattwj2002:

maybe we need to buy the developers a case of beer to fix the issue :P

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cornell:

Anyway... I'll leave you in frogonwheels' capable hands, comparing his knowledge to mine is like comparing the ocean to a teacup

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cornell:

;-)

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mattwj2002:

hehe

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mattwj2002:

tea taste better though :P

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cornell:

Yeah, but you don't get much ;-)

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mattwj2002:

good point :)

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frogonwheels:

mattwj2002: I don't really know that much – I haven't got it fixed. just trying a new weekly-buil repository from mythbuntu to see if that does anything.

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frogonwheels:

build*

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** frogonwheels crosses his fingers. **

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mattwj2002:

do you have a link to the bug report?

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frogonwheels:

nah.

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frogonwheels:

and it still is broke.

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frogonwheels:

maybe the -dev weekly build :|

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frogonwheels:

mattwj2002: do you have dual-head setup btw?

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mattwj2002:

nope

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mattwj2002:

just a single desktop/display

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mattwj2002:

I am using the open source driver

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frogonwheels:

me too.

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frogonwheels:

I mean open source. but I have dual screens.

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frogonwheels:

not that it seems to matter.

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mattwj2002:

are you running Ubuntu as well?

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frogonwheels:

yep. 9.04

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frogonwheels:

just gonna try the -trunk repo.

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frogonwheels:

(weekly build)

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mattwj2002:

okay

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mattwj2002:

keep me informed

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frogonwheels:

will know in 5 min

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ryan:

What's new with Mythbuntu in 9.04?

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ryan:

I'm looking to upgrade from 8.10

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mattwj2002:

mythtv doesn't work :(

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mattwj2002:

at least we are running into some bugs here

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ryan:

how so?

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mattwj2002:

mythtv won't display text in the gui frontend or mythtv-setup

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frogonwheels:

ryan: problms with ATI drivers. nvid works fine

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ryan:

ah

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ryan:

I have nvid

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frogonwheels:

ryan: well I think you'll be fine. my nvidia mythbuntu box works with 9.04

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mattwj2002:

sorry I shouldn't have been so negative

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mattwj2002:

so does my nvidia system

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frogonwheels:

haza!!

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mattwj2002:

just not my ati laptop :(

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ryan:

I'm upgrading from 8.10

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ryan:

which was upgraded from 8.04

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ryan:

which was upgraded from 7.10 ;)

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mattwj2002:

o.O

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mattwj2002:

:D

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frogonwheels:

mattwj2002: hold a sec. finding the original page on howto weekly build

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mattwj2002:

did it work?

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frogonwheels:

mattwj2002: yep on -trunk

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ryan:

this one? http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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frogonwheels:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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frogonwheels:

snap

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mattwj2002:

\o/

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frogonwheels:

mattwj2002: didn't work on -fixes (this will make sense when you configure this package)

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frogonwheels:

arghh but it won't log into to the backend from -fixes it seems.

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frogonwheels:

.. or maybe I just need to update. I'll see how I go.. but the point is the font bug is fixed.

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mattwj2002:

is that because of different versions?

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frogonwheels:

mattwj2002: yeah.

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frogonwheels:

'schema is 19 versions behind'

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ryan:

is there any way to see what my motherboard architecture is?

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ryan:

AM2 or AM2+

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Gumby:

does anyone here have any experience with using the svideo inputs of a pvr-150?

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Gumby:

just wondering the quality of it

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Gumby:

and also if there are any tricks to do in order to get it working in myth

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mattwj2002:

it still didn't work

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mattwj2002:

:(

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mattwj2002:

*doesn't work

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mattwj2002:

nevermind

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mattwj2002:

I got it to work

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mattwj2002:

:D

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frogonwheels:

yay!

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mattwj2002:

*buys beer to celebrate*

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mattwj2002:

:D

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nikosapi:

is it possible to schedule two recordings of the same program? (I'd like to record one copy in HD from my antenna and an SD backup copy from my cable box)

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frogonwheels:

huh. my mythweb is only showing me a simplistic (like you'd see on a phone's browser) version of itself. hmm.

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SpotSec:

anyone setup a hauppauge 1600's ir transmitter before? I can't seem to get it to be detected

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nikosapi:

my 1600 doesn't even have an ir dongle connector :S

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SpotSec:

that dongle connector was one of the reasons I bought it sadly

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nikosapi:

I use the simple serial port ir blaster. All you need is the ir led from an old remote, a resistor, a diode, a db9 connector and you're done :)

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Er1K:

SpotSec: Is that transmitter the 'mce' usb one also included with the 1800?

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SpotSec:

Er1K: it's built into the hauppauge itself

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Gumby:

if I am using svideo in on a pvr-150, do I need to tune to a specific channel? I'm not really trying to tune anything, its just a stream from my satellite box

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nikosapi:

no, you just need to make sure that your using the svideo "input"

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Er1K:

Gumby: No, you set the proper 'input' in either the card setup or input connection setup, can't remember which, but the rf tuner's 'channel' never comes into the picture

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Gumby:

ok, I thought so. I did this but mythtv complains that I havnt set a channel list for it yet.

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SpotSec:

hmm [ 25.422801] tveeprom 1–0050: has no radio, has IR receiver, has IR transmitter

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Gumby:

I'm also testing to see if anything is even coming in through the svideo cable. I've tested the svid to tv and that works, not sure about svid to pvr150

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Er1K:

Gumby: You will still need to populate a channel list. If you are using datadirect, just follow the prompts from the video source stuff

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Gumby:

it doesnt seem to be /dev/video0 thats for sure

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nikosapi:

dougl: you can use v4l2-ctl to tell the pvr150 to use the svideo input, then cat /dev/video0 will work

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nikosapi:

oops, s/dougl/Gumby/

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nikosapi:

Gumby: this should do it: v4l2-ctl -i 1

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Er1K:

Gumby: Once you use v4l2-ctl to set the input, "mplayer -v /dev/video1" *should* try to decode the stream from the mpeg encoder chip

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Gumby:

is this something I need to do at each boot?

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nikosapi:

not if you're using mythtv

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Gumby:

and will be be video1 or video0? hehe, two of you saying different things

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Er1K:

No, just sanity checking for the here and now

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Er1K:

no, video1 is an mpeg stream, video0 is raw

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Gumby:

ah I see

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nikosapi:

really? I don't have video1 ...

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nikosapi:

and mplayer /dev/video0 works fine for me

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Er1K:

I don't have a pvr150, but I do have an hvr1800 and assume they would be similar

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Gumby:

woot! that worked

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Gumby:

nice, thanks a bunch :)

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Gumby:

hrm, for some reason not getting any audio. But I can work on that later

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Gumby:

thx guys

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

my database is missing

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Er1K:

SpotSec: Are you using the lirc_i2c or lirc_pvr150 module? A couple minutes on Uncle Google's lap seems to indicate that lirc_i2c will work for RECEIVE ONLY, lirc_pvr150 will do BOTH, and that they are mutually exclusive.

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mattwj2002:

how do I create it?

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mattwj2002:

:(

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SpotSec:

Er1K: the pvr150 was the first one I tried and it was the one setup automatically, but I had no luck with irsend

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SpotSec:

hmm... currently i2c is loaded

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Er1K:

SpotSec: For starters, I would rmmod to the point of getting the i2c out of there, get the lirc_pvr150 set up and loaded, make sure you have the remote you are emulating set up, and continue from there

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SpotSec:

Er1K: yep, just unloaded i2c and restarted the lirc daemon, pvr150 is now loaded, but I'm missing /dev/lirc1 (specified in the lirc hardware.conf) however I have /dev/lircd1

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SpotSec:

currently my remote is a snapstream firefly RF usb, so that is working fine

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Er1K:

SpotSec: hmmmmmmm....I don't have a pvr150, so excuse the fact that I'm running a little blind, but the /dev/lircd* is the transmitter

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Er1K:

SpotSec: Are you using the receiver on the 150 as well?

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SpotSec:

Er1K: nope, I haven't even unboxed the remote that came with the hauppauge

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SpotSec:

from google, it appears that the remote should work though, but the transmitter isn't easy to setup

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Er1K:

SpotSec: Cool. If you have /etc/lirc/hardware.conf set correctly and /dev/lircd* is appearing, it's time to play with irsend

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SpotSec:

Er1K: yep, I just cant get around the old "hardware does not support sending" from lircd1

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Er1K:

SpotSec: On one of my systems (the only one with a blaster), "irsend SEND_ONCE SONY_TV POWER_TV" enough times will eventually cause a family member to come to the basement and physically strike me

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SpotSec:

haha

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Er1K:

what is generating the "hardware does not support sending" message? irsend?

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SpotSec:

yep

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SpotSec:

hmm just found this in dmesg: [ 45.812426] lirc_pvr150: firmware haup-ir-blaster.bin not available (-2)

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Er1K:

hmmmmmm I think we have a winner :)

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SpotSec:

I sure hope so

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Er1K:

SpotSec: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24 looks like it has the files and tips you need

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SpotSec:

already working in it ;)

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hachi:

Dagmar: the system clock in linux is always set to UTC... unless you're running windows

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hachi:

I could set a systemwide /etc/localtime, but TZ is supposed to be able to override it with TZ

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hachi:

this is libc

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frogonwheels:

hachi: .. there's a registry setting for windoze now too!

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Er1K:

Anybody here have any experience with running two instances of mythbackend concurrently on the same machine? My HVR1800 is in the same machine that is now my master backend, but I can't start/stop the master backend a bunch of times to play with it without having family members with pitchforks visit mewithout

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hachi:

if mythtv doesn't support libc's timezone settings, or some other override

[03:54:05]

hachi:

then I'm going to be sorely crankey

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hachi:

I've got everything working fine with setting TZ, except mythweb

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frogonwheels:

hachi: there are tweaks for which TZ to use in the setup, no?

[03:54:48]

hachi:

yes

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hachi:

but mythweb isn't honoring TZ

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frogonwheels:

ah.

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hachi:

nor is it honoring php.ini date.timzone setting

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frogonwheels:

well that be a mite tricky then.

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Er1K:

hachi: what does 'date' and /etc/timezone say?

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hachi:

nothing

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hachi:

or UTC

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hachi:

depending on what you consider it

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Er1K:

haci: /etc/timezone simply does not exist?

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hachi:

no, it's there

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hachi:

it's set to UTC, or GMT or something

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hachi:

UTC

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Er1K:

hachi: What timezone are you trying to set?

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hachi:

America/Los_Angeles

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hachi:

P[DS]T depending on time of year

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hachi:

it works fine if I set TZ for mythbackend, and mythfrontend

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sphery:

hachi: for MythWeb, TZ won't change anything... For Apache/PHP, it /might/ (where if it does, it would affect MythWeb), however, there is much brokennes in PHP's auto-detection of timezone

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hachi:

okay

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hachi:

so like I said

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Er1K:

hachi: echo "America/Los_Angeles" > /etc/timezone

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hachi:

I'm setting date.timezone

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Er1K:

for starters

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hachi:

no Erik

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hachi:

I will not do that

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hachi:

this box is used for many thing

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sphery:

hachi: 0.21-fixes?

[04:01:16]

hachi:

yes, currently

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hachi:

I'm working on building upgrades myself

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sphery:

hachi: and you've restarted apache since changing /etc/php.ini?

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hachi:

yes

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sphery:

and what are the symptoms?

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sphery:

i.e. how do you know there's a time zone problem

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hachi:

mythweb is showing current time in UTC

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sphery:

so why don't you set the timezone on the host to America/Los_Angeles ?

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hachi:

because this host isn't just a mythweb mythtv server

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hachi:

and I use UTC for lots of things

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Er1K:

hachi: If you don't mind me asking, what are you running that will be *broken* by setting a default value in /etc/timezone? Setting the /etc/timezone mainly affects the correction used for DISPLAY values, the underlying data is still generally in UTC.

[04:04:28]

hachi:

I don't know

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hachi:

there are many cronjobs and users that are affected by a system level change

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sphery:

well, all I can say is that given the right config file (generally /etc/php.ini --though it could be different depending on your specific configuration/installation) and given that no other config file is overriding the value, setting date.timezone /should/ work

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hachi:

so date.timzone is the thing... maybe I'm just doing it wrong

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hachi:

I'll continue debugging it

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sphery:

or, worst-case scenario, you could hack it by finding a place in mythweb's code that's executed for every page and setting the time zone in there

[04:05:56]

sphery:

(i.e. hard-code in the desired time zone)

[04:06:17]

hachi:

okay

[04:06:21]

sphery:

I don't know MythWeb well enough to suggest a place, but really, you're better off fixing the issue, anyway

[04:08:53]

Er1K:

I have work systems in use across three timezones processing banking transactions from three timezones....if the value of /etc/timezone had more than cosmetic impact....I'd have seen it firsthand a looong time ago.

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Shadow121:

Anyone here?

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Shadow121:

I am trying to remove mythtv from my ubuntu install but i cannot for the life of me.

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SaltyPDX:

mythbuntu or knoppmyth? which is the best for someone new to linux?

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SaltyPDX:

is that a stupid question?

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cesman:

SaltyPDX: KnoppMyth

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cesman:

SaltyPDX: you should know however that I'm biased as I created KnoppMyth

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SaltyPDX:

yeah I was leaning that way

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SaltyPDX:

oh hehe

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cesman:

SaltyPDX: you should actually tried the preview of LinHES as it is superceding KnoppMyth

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SaltyPDX:

yeah i read that on your site

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cesman:

:-)

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cesman:

well, gotta get ready for tomorrow....

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SaltyPDX:

been on that site alot in the last week

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cesman:

SaltyPDX: any questions, #knoppmyth or #linhes

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SaltyPDX:

ok thanx

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cesman:

you're welcome and thanks for the consideration

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SaltyPDX:

I'm getting ready to order all the hardware from nuegg...the box is gonna be a dragon clone sorta

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Gumby:

hi all, I am using a pvr-150 to capture video via the s-video in and have also hooked up the left/right speaker rca connectors but I dont seem to be getting any audio from them. Does anyone have any idea why this might be? I have checked in alsamixer and I am not sure which capture slider should be turned up (so I tried them all)

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Gumby:

arghhh... actually wait... I just tested a video on my laptop and it looks like audio is recording :|

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Gumby:

hi all. I'm using a PVR to capture video/audio from a satellite receiver. I am not going to worry about an ir blaster right now so I have just set the channel listing to a previous one I had for another card. When I start mythbackend I get this message in the logfile "2009-05–10 23:52:11.740 MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd IS_BUSY) Unknown encoder: 4" and "2009-05–10 23:52:11.741 MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_MAX_BITRATE) Unknown e

[07:05:26]

Gumby:

ncoder: 4"

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Gumby:

are these messages I need to worry about?

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Gumby:

I'm not at home to try record or watch anything at the moment so I am unsure if I have missed anything

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wagnerrp:

thats bad

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wagnerrp:

means youre trying to record off a card that no longer exists in the system

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jduggan:

lol

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at0m:

Gumby, let mythtv-setup detect the card again. it may have changed PCI ID or so (don't know how mythtv defines/determines card number)

[07:28:06]

Gumby:

hrm, weird wagnerrp

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Gumby:

I'm going to delete all cards from the master and slave and start again

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gbee:

at0m: /dev/video{number}

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gbee:

since those can occasionally change on boot it's far from ideal, but there isn't a static id we can use instead

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Shadow__X:

cant you make it stay in udev

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timonator:

can't you create an udev rule based on the product id?

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Shadow__X:

or more like making it have a persistent name in udev

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Shadow__X:

i cans speak enguish

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waxhead:

I'm trying to scan for channels with a dvico card, I'm seeing this in the syslog: May 11 17:47:45 mediacentre kernel: [ 3039.396509] mt2060 I2C read failed

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waxhead:

I'm tring to find some info about support for this card...

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waxhead:

I found a good link last night that listed the modules that hsould be installed, but of course now I can't find it!

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Gumby:

thx wagnerrp, I removed/setup the cards and now it is working :)

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gbee:

Shadow__X: that's fine assuming that you don't have two PVR-150s connected to different sources etc

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waxhead:

what is the module mt2060 used for?

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waxhead:

right.. microtune controller...

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** waxhead is pissed.. myth setup is a mess.. sigh.. **

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cesman:

waxhead: if you check out the v4l/dvb wiki, they have a list of supported cards

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cesman:

waxhead: additionally, you can look at the kernel source under Documentation to see what cards your kernel supports...

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cesman:

with that...

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gbee:

waxhead: pissed enough to do something about it? Write some code maybe?

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waxhead:

gbee, asking too much to write code...

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waxhead:

just annoyed that I've lost my working setup

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waxhead:

mind you, it's a great step forward to see the card supported...

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waxhead:

just pulled it out....

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waxhead:

the haupagge cards work fine...

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waxhead:

just have to reconfigure everything again now...

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waxhead:

and it's a race against time, because all the good shows are on mondays...

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waxhead:

:)

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waxhead:

hmmm I used to have 8 inputs ( 2 dual tuners ) now I don't...

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waxhead:

where do you set that up?

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waxhead:

ah.. found it...

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waxhead:

what's with the nova-t cards need to be slowed down with the tuning?

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waxhead:

do you still have to force the lna on the nova-t's?

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waxhead:

what a night!

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waxhead:

thought I had it sorted out... fail...

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Dibblah:

Woo. I love my new amps.

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Dibblah:

Replaced the amp in a Creative Digital speaker set with some TA2024 based things. 18w@idle down to 3w.

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Essobi:

Hmm.. Has anyone made a web interface so one could do single/multi-entry updating of the MythTV video metadata?

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ahugh3s:

hi guys... about to finally invest in a htpc... was looking at this m`board http://au.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2= . . . ;modelmenu=1 and an antec case. However, you get very little information about tuner cards.... what's the deal with setting a "record this then" and having the pc 'wake' to record? Or does it need to be on all the time?

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Essobi:

you can do wakeups.

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Essobi:

It's in the wiki

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Essobi:

I don't know much about what hardware to use on what, but that board looks sexy.. wonder if the vga is supported under X..

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ahugh3s:

thanks Essobi :)

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ahugh3s:

Leadtek vs Pinnacle?

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ahugh3s:

vs Divco vs Asus

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ahugh3s:

they are my 4 options... have to pick one of them...

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ideogon:

is there any free alternative to schedulesdirect.org? do I really have to pay $20/yr. just for schedules data?

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ideogon:

can I pull this data from my directv stream?

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timonator:

i don't even know what's wrong with getting the schedule data via EPG :|

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ideogon:

oh EPG? I don't even have everything set up yet lol

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ideogon:

timonator: is that the default?

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timonator:

i don't think you need to set up anything at all. but i don't know what transport types support it. DVB does.

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ideogon:

I see "Transmitted guide only (EIT) listed as a video source option

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ideogon:

I'm using directv if that matters

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justinh:

in the USA/Canada there is no alternative for _usable_ guide data

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justinh:

unless you'd be happy with now/next data only

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ideogon:

does anyone know of a working screen scraping script or something of the like?

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ideogon:

hm

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justinh:

none you'll be told about in here

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ideogon:

where can I be told about one?

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justinh:

who knows :-P

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ideogon:

:(

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justinh:

like $20 per year is much. sheesh

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ideogon:

meh

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ideogon:

it is for a mere stream of xml data

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justinh:

no it isn't

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ideogon:

yeah, it is

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justinh:

oh shut up

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ideogon:

you shut up

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laga:

get a room?

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justinh:

sign up to the trial of SD data & then decide

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justinh:

or go without EPG data for a while then decide :P

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timonator:

justinh: you can only get current/next show info in the US? that's lame! in germany i can get data for the next weeks or something

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justinh:

why give something away for free when you can charge money for it?!

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justinh:

;-)

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justinh:

there are various propriatary EPG systems where you get more data.. but nothing really open & usable AFAIK

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ideogon:

justinh: consumers shouldn't have rights! they pay for the service, but they shouldn't own the data! :P

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justinh:

damn right

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justinh:

you don't get to own the copyright of the content

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** justinh waves goodbye to 'fair use' **

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ideogon:

a copyright isn't necessary for personal consumption

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ideogon:

any idea which frequency table directv should use? I scanned us-cable, which didn't seem to find anything

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justinh:

I thought directtv was satellite

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ideogon:

it is. eh

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ideogon:

Idk what I'm doing, clearly

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ideogon:

how do I get channel data, then?

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justinh:

oh. you can't use mythtv with directtv directly

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ideogon:

umm. are you serious?

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justinh:

yup

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ideogon:

do I need to install something else?

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justinh:

you need to use a set top box & connect that to the tuner/capture card

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justinh:

and some means of changing channels on said STB

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ideogon:

oh

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ideogon:

ok

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ideogon:

thank you, justinh

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justinh:

mighta just saved you a few hours figuring out why scanning wasn't working :P

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ideogon:

:)

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justinh:

basically, when you sign up to schedulesdirect you tell em which provider you use & where you live..then it'll do all the channel config in mythtv for you

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justinh:

no scanning necessary

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justinh:

infact, scanning an s-video input would be pretty bloody futile :P

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ideogon:

ha

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ideogon:

ok...I have the STB outputting to my PVR card...so I don't need to edit channels? I started everything up and ran "Watch TV". ahhhh. black screen

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justinh:

no shit

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justinh:

I never said you didn't need to edit channels

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ideogon:

oh

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justinh:

looks to me like you need a big ole RTFM

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ideogon:

well, I tried that...unless I need to change the freq. table

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ideogon:

uh huh

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ideogon:

I'm reading the arch manual, which is sparse

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ideogon:

ha

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Beirdo:

Sorry, my linode needed a reboot.

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wilberfan:

my current mythtv install is on an old Dell Pentium IV--which may be on it's last legs...

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wilberfan:

I'm trying to pull the trigger on a new system today--but am getting a LOT of contradictory nVidia/ATi advice in my debian-based forum...

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wilberfan:

any consensus in here on the best way to go--video-card-wise for myth?

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jams:

it seems that some ati/driver combinations work well, but in general nvidia is a better bet.

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Dibblah:

nvidia. ATI has literally no advantage over a much older NV card in Linux.

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wilberfan:

jams, thanks for that...i'm hearing from some heavyweights, though, that an ATi card with the free xorg radeon drivers has (i'm not sure i completely understand this) better native hardware acceleration (or something)... much better 2D rendering with much less cpu cycles (or something)

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wilberfan:

i know that's a little vague... any idea what i'm describing there?

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xand:

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kb1ibt:

I am a new mythtv user and was wondering if there was an easy way to delay the start of a tv recording by about 10–15 seconds? I have a STB connected via Firewire and when I have a recording end on one channel and then another recording start on a different channel that second recording doesn't record because it takes too long for the channel switch and acquiring a lock to happen

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Beirdo:

please be patient with the bot... the reboot caused a db corruption which I'm now repairing.

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Beirdo:

repair by sorting 3.2M entries

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cesman:

kb1ibt: look at Start/End Recording on time

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kb1ibt:

cesman: i thought that dealt with pre-roll and post-roll or can you put in a negative value for it to delay the record start?

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cesman:

yes

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cesman:

not in seconds however...

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cesman:

AFAIK

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cesman:

minutes

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Beirdo:

grrr. stupid database

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kb1ibt:

cesman: ok it looks like it only accepts integers

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Beirdo:

YAY, the database now says it checks OK

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Beirdo:

sorry for the disturbance with the bouncy bot

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kb1ibt:

(luckily the first minute or so of 24 is just prior show stuff)

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Beirdo:

MythLogBot: help

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Beirdo:

good.

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mishehu:

Beirdo: ho ho, look at what the cat dragged in!

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mishehu:

Beirdo: you still down in puerto rico?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

it's really nice down here, no snow :)

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Beirdo:

ever!

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Beirdo:

cd ..

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mishehu:

yeah yeah, I left chicago myself

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Beirdo:

uh, wrong window

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Beirdo:

hehe

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mishehu:

Beirdo: down in the heart of TX

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Beirdo:

that's a bit better for warmth

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mishehu:

yeah I'd say. when it snowed here this year, it was a little dandruff on the ground.

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mishehu:

austin's nice too

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mishehu:

we're looking at houses now in the hill country

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mishehu:

since we moved down here, half of my stuff is still in boxes. so I don't even have myth set up on any machiens at the moment.

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Beirdo:

Yeah, same here

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Beirdo:

that and our retarded cable provider won't give us a second box

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mishehu:

that is retarded

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Beirdo:

so I'm trying to convince the wife to get dish

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

but money doesn't grow on trees, etc

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Beirdo:

dish is cheaper long-run, but installation can be expensive at times

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Mozz:

Hi. I'm trying to setup mythtv and my problem is that mythtv-setup can't connect to mysql database. It's weird because i can log to mysql prompt with database user mythtv. I use Archlinux, my mythtv version is 0.21–2 and mysql version is 5.1.34–1.

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cesman:

Mozz: search for mysql.txt and ensure the password in that file is accurate or remove the file

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Mozz:

cesman: in ~/.mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

usually, yes

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ideogon:

I'm finally getting at least a gray screen during "Watch TV" (and a clock if I press the down arrow), however no video or audio whatsoever. mythfrontend spits out the following error message: "Video sync method can't support double framerate (refresh rate too low for bob deint)". I've done some googling, but all of the discussions I've found are a bit over my head. can someone please explain to a laymen (in video encod

[16:38:13]

Mozz:

it's correct (i also tried to remove the file), no effect

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BassKozz:

ideogon: sounds like you need to try another deinterlacer

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cesman:

Mozz: as iamlindoro said.... However it can appear in /root/.mythtv if you are running as root

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** cesman cannot recall what the regular Arch packages do for the backend **

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ideogon:

BassKozz: where is the setting to do this?

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BassKozz:

ideogon: playback settings... 1 sec, I am firing up my box to find the exact location

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ideogon:

BassKozz: :)

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BassKozz:

ideogon: word of warning... I am a mythtv newb, so I could be totally off track here but worth a shot.

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Mozz:

yes, i've been trying to run it also as root (the username and password in file is correct). FYI im testing with default values

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BassKozz:

ideogon: standby...

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ideogon:

BassKozz: ahhh nooooo!!! j/p. I'll take any help I can get, thx

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BassKozz_:

ideogon, in the frontend go to Utilities/Setup>Setup>TV Settings>Playback>Playback Profiles (page 3)> edit your playback profile>set the primary and fallback deinterlacer... try using One Field (1x,Hw)

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BassKozz_:

2

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ideogon:

hm

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BassKozz:

ideogon: hm ?

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ideogon:

looking for deinterlacer settings

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ideogon:

BassKozz: "One Field"?

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ideogon:

should I "Add New Entry"?

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Mozz:

i wonder if i miss some package. In post from 2007 people advice to install qt-mysql to same problem that i have, but archlinux doesn't have that kind of package

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wagnerrp:

ideogon: hit 'next'

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ideogon:

wagnerrp: yeah, I was on page 3 "Playback Profiles". is the deinterlacing option in one of the "if rez..." options?

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wagnerrp:

edit one of those options, and then go to the second page

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BassKozz:

ideogon: you need to edit the playback profile, and on one of the playback profile settings screens is where you set the deinterlacers

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ideogon:

BassKozz: ahhh. I found it

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ideogon:

"Linear blend" was the default for both

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ideogon:

any suggestions?

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BassKozz:

yeah, like I said "One Field (1x,Hw)

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BassKozz:

"

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ideogon:

ah

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ideogon:

how do I start mythfrontend with a specific playback profile? there doesn't seem to be a command-line parameter

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wagnerrp:

ideogon: you dont

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ideogon:

wagnerrp: oh

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BassKozz:

ideogon: it should automatically run with the playback profile you have in place

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BassKozz:

ideogon: did that fix the problem?

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wagnerrp:

it will use the profile you have in place, and it will go from the top option down

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wagnerrp:

until it finds one that it can use

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ideogon:

BassKozz: haven't restarted mythfrontend yet. should I make that setting in every "if rez..." setting?

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ideogon:

wagnerrp: oh ok thx

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BassKozz:

ideogon: you don't need to restart

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wagnerrp:

only in the one that will actually be used

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BassKozz:

gotta run

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BassKozz:

bye

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jamiem:

how do I mass delete a load of episodes of a title?

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wagnerrp:

i dont think you can

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jamiem:

ok :)

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** jamiem gets perling **

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wagnerrp:

just how many episodes do you have?

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jamiem:

41

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wagnerrp:

you can try setting the maximum episodes to 1, with delete of old episodes, and record another episode

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jamiem:

I'm deleting the schedule too

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jamiem:

web interface is fast enough what with it's 'ajax'

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** kormoc blinks **

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jamiem:

7 requests pending.

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kormoc:

why would you quote it?

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kormoc:

Sure, there's database contention that you caused...

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jamiem:

well; not all "ajax" is proper ajax. But if you tell me you're using asynchronicity, javascript and xml I'll believe you :)

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jamiem:

sometimes it's just "aj"

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kormoc:

Meh, it's just malformed xml ;)

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jamiem:

hehe

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sphery:

jamiem: in mythfrontend, go to Watch Recordings, find the title in the left column, hit MENU (M), Add all episodes to playlist (or something to that effect), MENU, Playlist Options|Delete (or Delete and allow re-record)

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jamiem:

ohhhh

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jamiem:

I'll try that next time :)

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jamiem:

I did multi-select and tried Delete but obviously I needed to make that playlist, too

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Traveler:

greetings, i am trying to setup a mythbuntu system, but not getting anything on the tv

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kabads:

What is the command to run the media server behind mythtvbackend? My process seems to have stopped and I don't want to reboot just to get it going again.

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** sphery does the playlist delete a lot--every time a new show is cancelled before it's run long enough to make it worth watching **

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wagnerrp:

media server? mythtvbackend?

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sphery:

or mythbackend

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sphery:

or whatever your distro called the init script that starts the mythbackend process

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kabads:

wagnerrp: I'm not sure what it is, but it looks like a regular media server to my PS3.

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sphery:

if you mean the UPnP server, that runs when mythbackend runs

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wagnerrp:

thats part of mythbackend, and is refreshed once every half hour

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kabads:

mythtvbackend is already running fine – I can watch tv and recorded media using a mythfrontend. It's just that the media doesn't show up on the PS3.

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sphery:

if mythbackend is running but your UPnP server isn't responding, restart mythbackend or debug the PS3/UPnP problems

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wagnerrp:

you can force it by running 'mythbackend --upnp-rebuild'

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kabads:

wagnerrp:

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kabads:

wagnerrp: thanks

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wagnerrp:

assuming the program 'mythbackend' isnt some helper script written by your distro

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sphery:

AFAIR, Myth UPnP + PS3 is temperamental

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kabads:

sphery: it's worked for over 2 weeks here without a single glitch, but I'll accept that 2 weeks isn't that long to test something

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sphery:

sounds like you just need to restart the backend

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kabads:

sphery: that fixed it – thanks

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sphery:

at least you're doing PS3 UPnP, versus XBox 360 UPnP, which won't play MPEG

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Traveler:

trying to get output to tv working, works on monitor, but not on tv. PIII, PVR150. What is correct type of capture card for this one?

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sphery:

capture card should be irrelevant--it's video output configuration

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kabads:

sphery: the PS3 plays it very nicely – it beats my humax pvr hands-down now, with the extra storage

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sphery:

only capture card with a TV output is PVR-350, and if you have that, you're best using it and /not/ using the TV output

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sphery:

kabads: yeah... Until I have all the functionality I get from mythfrontend, though, I'll never use UPnP with mine

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Traveler:

Currently the video card is set for monitor and not to svideo

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sphery:

Traveler: yeah, you'll just have to configure the tv-out on the video card... best advice I can give you is to configure /only/ the S-Video and don't try to use both a monitor and a tv

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sphery:

at least start that way before you go down the road of trying to make both work concurrently from one X instance

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Traveler:

thanks, will look at it again....

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sphery:

(and, really, for a "real" Myth box--connected to a TV--the best bet is to let it be just a myth box and don't connect a monitor)

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iamlindoro:

I had a shuttle once, felt like launching it out the window

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laga:

:>

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sphery:

heh...

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dustybin:

hi guys, is this the place of 'witty banter' ?

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laga:

oh hai dustybin

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** dustybin *shakes* *head* **

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dustybin:

i'm sorry guys, im out.

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iamlindoro:

Stopped being the place of witty banter when you chimed in

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** dustybin makes a note to stop watching dragons den **

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sphery:

I guess now is a time to learn how to do a transcode with commercial cuts that doesn't destroy A/V sync... (One channel--NBC affiliate--in particular is bad.) Wanting to take some shows on the road in an easy-to-decode format that won't put heat stress on the laptop.

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Luna:

hi all

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Luna:

hallo?

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sphery:

there are people here...

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laga:

oh hai

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iamlindoro:

we can haz question already?

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iamlindoro:

or should we all shake hands then tongue kiss first?

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Luna:

oklol

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laga:

sphery: projectx?

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sphery:

laga: yeah, trying to figure it out

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iamlindoro:

sphery: FWIW MPEG2Cut2 in Wine or windows proper is a much simpler exercise

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laga:

sphery: tino keitel once posted a script to use projectx as a drop-in replacement for mythtranscode to -users

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Luna:

lalala

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iamlindoro:

Oh good, the smurf's theme song

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Luna:

all private damn

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iamlindoro:

Laaa laaa la la la laaa laa la la la laaaaa

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sphery:

and if I end up doing this lots (as I'm running out of bought TV show DVD's what with the cancellation of SG-1, Atlantis, BSG, etc.), it may just be worth trying to make mythtranscode fix up the stream so other tools can transcode/recode it after the fact

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Luna:

sing u song

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iamlindoro:

My song has come make your time

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Luna:

imao

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iamlindoro:

ironing my ass off?

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laga:

ionizing

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Luna:

hahhahaha to iron lol

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sphery:

btw, if anyone is looking for a nice test of their RAM/CPU, try compiling enblend/enfuse...

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iamlindoro:

irritating mothers always overreact?

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Luna:

why this?

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sphery:

I thought Myth was bad, but considering how little code is in enblend/enfuse, it's amazing how long it takes

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iamlindoro:

Luna: Seriously, are you going to say something topical, or did you just join to act silly?

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Luna:

:(

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sphery:

iamlindoro: it's just one of his little tic's

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Luna:

u are not fair

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iamlindoro:

Nor is life

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sphery:

kind of a Luna-tic... :)

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Luna:

seriously?

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meshe:

sphery: try compiling QT *shudders* myth takes 15 mins to compile, QT took nearly 4 hours

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cynicismic:

a good pun is a reword unto itself

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sphery:

meshe: yeah, but at least Qt has a lot of code to compile. The enblend/enfuse source package is 800KB.

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meshe:

heh

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sphery:

took about 4 hours to compile and my systems were completely unusable w/ thrashing HDD's.

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meshe:

QT went from 200MB to 2.4 GB

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sphery:

meshe: btw, the vacation you heard I was on was to somewhere closer to your area of the world

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meshe:

oh? where'd ya go?

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sphery:

went to Seattle and Mount Vernon, WA and then to Portland, OR (Columbia River Gorge)

[18:33:06]

meshe:

ahh, you weren't far from here at all, maybe a 2 hour drive

[18:33:11]

sphery:

so much more beautiful than FL--and real trees, too

[18:33:21]

meshe:

yeah, rainforest country

[18:33:27]

sphery:

we almost went to Vancouver, but ran out of tiem

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Luna:

i´m off

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sphery:

laga: trying to figure out if the Tino post was the one from just a couple weeks ago...

[18:34:06]

Luna:

bye sphery

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laga:

sphery: a bit older AFAIK

[18:34:43]

sphery:

ah, yeah... the one I got--pxcut.sh--is (C) Kees Cook, so different

[18:34:43]

meshe:

sphery: i had to do a lot of searching gossamer threads while you were gone ;)

[18:34:53]

sphery:

thanks for the heads up on Tino's... I'll look it up

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sphery:

meshe: heh... That's what I'm about to do--but this time for me

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meshe:

hehe

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sphery:

laga: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/216388#216388 ?

[18:37:14]

laga:

sphery: yes

[18:37:22]

sphery:

just have to find a working link, now

[18:37:36]

laga:

sphery: bug him in #mythtv-de – nick is scorpi

[18:38:06]

sphery:

wonder how current this one is: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/310739#310739 (inlined in the post)

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sphery:

http://www.benholt.com/wiki/index.php/ProjectX and http://home.arcor.de/scorpidnb/mythtv/mythcut . . . hcutprojectx seem to work (where the latter seems to be his site)

[18:40:59]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, there you go, the HVR-2250 digital drivers had their initial release today

[18:41:05]

sphery:

laga: thanks... That's just what I needed to get started.

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iamlindoro:

I'm really tempted to pick up a HVR-2250-- why? I have tons of QAM/ATSC tuners

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laga:

you need a life?

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iamlindoro:

plenty of life

[18:52:15]

iamlindoro:

too much, often

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sphery:

iamlindoro should really learn to share with the less-fortunate lifers in here

[18:54:46]

iamlindoro:

pffft, you disappeared on two back to back vacations

[18:54:55]

iamlindoro:

You quiet down ;)

[18:58:11]

sphery:

heh... first time I do a vacation for me in 10yrs and I'm accused of having a life :)

[18:59:03]

wagnerrp:

yep! back to work...

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meshe:

yeah, users were left to iamlindoro for help, and you know how he is ;)

[19:00:24]

sphery:

so, that's 3 back-to-back trips, now--including the guilt trip

[19:00:33]

meshe:

lol

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laga:

haha

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iamlindoro:

That last trip is on me

[19:03:19]

iamlindoro:

besides, you know how I get when you leave me all alone

[19:03:50]

laga:

feces on the walls?

[19:04:09]

iamlindoro:

you'll just want to check your shoes before putting them on, that's all I'm saying

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sphery:

so, that wasn't a brownie in there?

[19:06:06]

iamlindoro:

It might have been, once

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sphery:

so, iamlindoro , what's special about the HVR-2250?

[19:09:13]

sphery:

the 1600 is the PVR-x50 + digital tuner, right?

[19:09:22]

sphery:

and the 1250 is digital tuner + lame grabber

[19:09:50]

sphery:

ah... dual everything

[19:09:58]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Dual digital tuner, dual analog encoder

[19:09:59]

sphery:

so, PVR-500 + 2 digital tuners

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iamlindoro:

yep

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sphery:

cool

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Lhorian:

hello everybody

[19:11:02]

Shadow__X:

but you cant use all the tuners at once can you

[19:11:17]

henrik_:

Anyone who knows how the uvd2 support is comming along in ati drivers for linux and if it will be implemented into .22?

[19:11:19]

iamlindoro:

two of anything at once

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iamlindoro:

henrik_: There is no API, and therefore no linux support whatsoever

[19:11:50]

sphery:

look how small those tuner modules are...

[19:11:54]

sphery:

now that's progress

[19:11:58]

sphery:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html

[19:12:51]

Shadow__X:

also how would you get atsc to it with analog cable

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sphery:

it has RF inputs...

[19:13:08]

Shadow__X:

or would you have to use the av header for that

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iamlindoro:

So chances of it landing in .22 have everything to do with when/whether ATI gets off their butts and releases an API, and when/if that is far enough before .22 to implement, and on some interested party doing the work to do so

[19:13:55]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: There are two identical coaxial inputs

[19:14:08]

iamlindoro:

erm I stand corrected

[19:14:10]

henrik_:

iamlindoro, I read something at phoenix, will this do it? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . de&num=1

[19:14:11]

sphery:

I thought it was pretty much guaranteed they weren't releasing an API and VAAPI was going to just cover it

[19:14:13]

iamlindoro:

so yeah, one RF and the header

[19:14:21]

iamlindoro:

henrik_: no

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Shadow__X:

ah ok

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sphery:

ah... one RF input is FM radio in...

[19:14:40]

Shadow__X:

yeah geez dont start yelling when one input is for rm radio

[19:14:45]

Shadow__X:

:)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, in all liklihood when/if it becomes supported it'll be through the HWAccel API from ffmpeg

[19:15:08]

sphery:

strange, though, as the tuner module should be able to accept FM radio or TV without needing special wires...

[19:15:28]

sphery:

wonder if they just put a trap in there for the less-aware people who may wire it up

[19:17:09]

Lhorian:

Perhaps an 'known' issue, but nevertheless very little documented: On my encrypted channels Mythbox will only lock partial: LSMc instead of LSMC. Anyone a suggestion?

[19:17:40]

iamlindoro:

Lhorian: Do you have a CAM/CI installed and working?

[19:17:44]

sphery:

Only think I know about CAM is that it would be an acceptable nickname for Summer Glau's character on T:TSCC

[19:18:42]

iamlindoro:

CAM users often need to crank up the tuning and signal timeouts, but if you have no CAM, you'll get no channels

[19:18:50]

iamlindoro:

no enrypted channels, anyway

[19:19:03]

Lhorian:

iamlindoro: CAM is working a satellite receiver, in my mythbox it is sometime working, sometimes not

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Lhorian:

iamlindoro: many times I have to tune to a free channel before using an encrypted one

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iamlindoro:

Lhorian: That channel *is* locked, it's just not decrypted

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iamlindoro:

try turning up the signal and tuning timeouts

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iamlindoro:

may take a lot longer to decrypt and stream from the CAM

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Lhorian:

iamlindoro: you mean tuning delay etc in Capture card section on the backend?

[19:20:33]

iamlindoro:

It's not tuning delay

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iamlindoro:

tuning timeout, signal timeout, in mythtv-setup

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Lhorian:

iamlindoro: clear

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Lhorian:

iamlindoro: signal timeout is already maximum, tuning timeout almost. Now trying maximum tuning timeout 65000 ms

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iamlindoro:

Lhorian: You should be making sure the CAM works properly in Linux first, before introducing myth-- should see how mplayer/kaffeine/whatever behaves with the encrypted channels

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iamlindoro:

But I too am not in CAM-land so may have to wait around for more info than that

[19:25:51]

Shadow__X:

thats only for sat right because i know comcast provides cars similar to that

[19:25:52]

iamlindoro:

(or ask in #linuxtv where they probably have more experience with such things on an OS level)

[19:26:10]

Lhorian:

iamlindoro: it has worked before, but it is always a bit cranky

[19:26:12]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: No, it's not just for Sat, and cablecards aren't remotely like CAMs

[19:26:19]

Shadow__X:

ah ok

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iamlindoro:

Aside from general form factor

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Shadow__X:

just thought i would ask

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Lhorian:

iamlindoro: I'll ask linuxtv

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Shadow__X:

right so what have you been waiting for iamlindoro get a cablecard to work in linux

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: There's CAM for DVB-S, C, and T, and it's a much less restrictive system

[19:27:21]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: ie you pay for viewing the channels, but can capture them unencumbered with DRM

[19:27:39]

iamlindoro:

so the CAM allows you to access the channels, at which point they are treated like any other channel by myth

[19:27:52]

Shadow__X:

yeah doesnt tivo do something like that with cablecards

[19:28:10]

iamlindoro:

Cablecard is nothing like that

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Dibblah:

Well... Ish. There is some magic that needs to happen to feed the CAM.

[19:28:24]

iamlindoro:

Cablecard compels each recording to be DRM'd, and what's more requires playback of the file to be authenticated against *that* cable card

[19:28:27]

Dibblah:

It's not just a matter of the CAM being in the stream.

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iamlindoro:

Meaning you can potentially be unable to play all your recordings if your cablecard breaks/gets swapped/etc., and that you cannot burn to DVD, transcode, or otherwise manipulate in any way the cablecard recording

[19:30:38]

henrik_:

I'm using two nifty tools and a phoenix card reader to decode my shows. Works perfectly.

[19:30:51]

Dibblah:

henrik_: We don't want to know, here.

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Shadow__X:

hmm

[19:31:03]

henrik_:

Dibblah, sure!

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henrik_:

however my service provider approves...

[19:36:32]

Dibblah:

Discuss it somewhere else, if you feel the need.

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Lhorian:

bye

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Whelp, I think Dollhouse is done

[20:25:35]

iamlindoro:

sphery: season-low ratings on the finale

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I'm not too suprised, though it's sad

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sphery:

wonder how it will affect Joss's relationship with Fox... perhaps he'll finally figure out he needs to work with a different network

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iamlindoro:

Frustrated, I'm not sure who should take the blame for the fairly poor first four episodes

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iamlindoro:

It's literally like all the garbage was played first, and every episode thereafter was excellent and got better

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sphery:

haven't watched it, yet

[20:32:04]

sphery:

will probably do so--even though it's cancelled

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Shadow__X:

i like the fbi agents reaction to november

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Shadow__X:

was it me or the secound to last episode was like what just happened

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iamlindoro:

just you

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Shadow__X:

fine mister

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Shadow__X:

your just this mastermind that knows everything and can see everything

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Shadow__X:

someone needs to stop playing RTS games and come back to rl

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Shadow__X:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Ummm, or I just didn't respond to that episode like you did

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Shadow__X:

no variation allowed didnt you know that

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iamlindoro:

Evidently, I learned that from the temper tantrum just now

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Shadow__X:

temper tantrum its all in good fun non of that was meant to be taken literally

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Shadow__X:

Guest11937, its too late you have been spotted :)

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iamlindoro:

Mmm, must be summer, I'm being tempted by new motorcycle gear

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Xpistos:

I am looking for a good high def card for my a new myth box. This is my first time setting up one.

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RyeBrye:

Xpistos: video source?

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Xpistos:

I know can find a Haupague PVR-150 for SD, but am not sure about High Def

[21:18:33]

Xpistos:

Coax Cable

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Xpistos:

And no need for encryption support

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RyeBrye:

Just clear QAM?

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RyeBrye:

IMHO, you can't beat an HDHR then

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Xpistos:

I don't have any HBO or any pay channels

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RyeBrye:

That doesn't mean they dont encrpyt them because they are shady bastards though

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Xpistos:

true

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Xpistos:

but I know they don't

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RyeBrye:

FWIW, the best HD for network stuff is usually OTA – if you have decent reception according to antennaweb.org ATSC might be the way to go

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wagnerrp:

how do you know they are not encrypted?

[21:20:55]

RyeBrye:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us

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RyeBrye:

IF you put in your zip code there, you can see what channels people have been able to tune (i.e. clear QAM)

[21:21:28]

RyeBrye:

it does both cable and antenna on that site

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RyeBrye:

so you can compare what people in your area have been able to do

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Xpistos:

interesting

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RyeBrye:

What do you see on there?

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Xpistos:

it comes up with 24

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Xpistos:

what does yours get

[21:24:37]

RyeBrye:

what zip code? mine is 84660

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stonith:

I'm eventually going to get a receiver and do 5.1 surround sound. Is it best for me to use Computer -> DVI -> HDMI -> receiver for video and SPDIF from computer to a/v receiver or some other solution that you recommend?

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Xpistos:

38401

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RyeBrye:

stonith: you can get a video card that does HDMI out and has audio SPDIF Passthrough. I have an ASUS P5Q-Deluxe and an Nvidia card (cant rembmeber offhand, can look it up) that takes the SPDIF header and passes it into the HDMI out

[21:26:26]

RyeBrye:

Xpistos: that's not bad. It looks like you get all the digital broadcast people in your area

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mkrufky:

hehe im not hiding, Shadow__X — i got disconnected ... then i kicked off the old mkrufky to make room for the real mkrufky

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Shadow__X:

ah alright

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RyeBrye:

Xpistos: the other option would be to try firewire – but HDHR would certainly be the easiest option if those chanels you see listed are the ones you are goign to want to record

[21:27:14]

RyeBrye:

stonith: but most modern motherboards have SPDIf headers, I just threw mine out as one example that I know for sure does

[21:27:45]

RyeBrye:

Oh... Xpistos you were looking at broadcast

[21:27:55]

RyeBrye:

Xpistos: look at the dropdown and go to "digital cable" it has 59 channels

[21:28:09]

RyeBrye:

However, most of those channels are not HD

[21:28:25]

RyeBrye:

(and many of them seem to be music channels)

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stonith:

RyeBrye: I heard that the nvidia cards that have HDMI out are pricey. I do have one that does DVI and think i can just use a DVI-HDMI cable with the SPDIF headers from the motherboard would probably be my best scenario for the buck?

[21:28:45]

RyeBrye:

Mine was less than $50 I think

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Xpistos:

RyeBrye: Is HDHR a set top box or an addon card?

[21:29:19]

RyeBrye:

Xpistos: neither. It's a network-attached device. You just put it anywhere you have a coax jack and an Cat-5 jack to your LAN and it is happy

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iamlindoro:

If you're going to buy a mobo, you can buy something with a 9300 or 9400 onboard, that will do audio out via HDMI

[21:29:34]

iamlindoro:

and it's a discrete audio device, too, not the lame passthrough

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Xpistos:

would i8t work with linux?

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, iamlindoro is probably right about the discrete bit. Does VDPAU work on those chipsets now?

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: Has for ages

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RyeBrye:

Did it when the first release happened or am I on crack?

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iamlindoro:

hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, NVIDIA HDMI

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RyeBrye:

Nice

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: It's always done VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

but it took them two driver revisions to remember that it was G96 and could do VC-1 too :)

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RyeBrye:

That's probably what I was remembering

[21:32:14]

iamlindoro:

Probably so

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iamlindoro:

Plus you have the advantage of being able to do 8 channel PCM once linux can pass that to a 7.1 receiver

[21:32:53]

iamlindoro:

Which the jumper-cable boards cannot

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, the 2-wire only does 5.1, right?

[21:33:04]

iamlindoro:

right

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iamlindoro:

and some of the lossy 7.1 formats

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127419 <-- that card is one with hdmi and passthrough fwif

[21:33:50]

RyeBrye:

I bought one similar to that card that is now "deactivated"

[21:34:23]

RyeBrye:

$32.99 after rebate (if you aren't buying another mobo that might be a good option)

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RyeBrye:

if you ARE buying a new motherboard, listen to iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

yeah, lots of options

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iamlindoro:

if all you care about is 5.1 then the world is your oyster

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RyeBrye:

The best advice, of course, is this: AVOID ATI

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stonith:

lol

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stonith:

i've already invested in the motherboard/video card and would not like to upgrade those components because the receiver and speakers are already gonna keel my budget. Just wanting to confirm that it is possible to do the DVI->HDMI cable and SPDIF from computer to a/v receiver

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RyeBrye:

That should be fine

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squidly:

RyeBrye: were you helping me the other day with my lirc config?

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RyeBrye:

squidly: I think so

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squidly:

RyeBrye: ok. I though so.. wanted to say ty :D

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RyeBrye:

squidly: did you get it working?

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squidly:

yea and pulled the keyboard and it works nicly!

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squidly:

got pretty good range on the IR too

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squidly:

I can sit all the way across the room and use it

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RyeBrye:

yeah, I like that IR. you can probably tweak some of the repeat settings in that lirc conf (if you haven't already) – I think I set some of them high so my wife wouldn't get annoyed by it going so fast between menues

[21:39:33]

stonith:

RybeBrye: so all in all, if I use SPDIF from computer to a/v receiver that is a hell of a lot better than using the mini-plug from the motherboard to RCA one correct?

[21:40:05]

RyeBrye:

stonith: assuming you can get your digital audio configured properly – yes – digital to your reciever (assuming it is a good one) is going to be better

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squidly:

I need to speed them up a little bit

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squidly:

and fully configure it

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stonith:

thanks a lot RyeBrye

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RyeBrye:

stonith: sometimes ALSA can be tricky to get the digital audio working properly – but you can then use passthrough of digital audio and such in myth and send the audio to your reciever so you actually get surround sound. The most a miniplug will give you is stereo

[21:41:44]

RyeBrye:

Now, if you think that Dolby ProLogic mixes the sound better than the people who make the TV show – maybe you will be happier with the stereo-to-reciever route ;)

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stonith:

hah

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stonith:

i'm not that much of an audiophile

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stonith:

i just bought a new house and have to figure out this ceiling speaker deal too

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RyeBrye:

Prologic takes a stereo sound and messes with it to use all your speakers

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stonith:

I'm thinking of getting a Sony ES-3400 or ES-4400 a/v receiver

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RyeBrye:

but 5.1 native to your surround sound system will be much better

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wagnerrp:

stonith: i would advise against ProLogic

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wagnerrp:

at least on my receiver, it causes weird, random volume fluctuations

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stonith:

with mythtv?

[23:19:00]

wagnerrp:

in general, with TV, with DVDs, with mythtv...

[23:19:25]

stonith:

hrm – i should get another receiver then?

[23:20:10]

wagnerrp:

probably anything made in the last 5 years (and likely older) can receive direct 5.1 or better from your computer

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wagnerrp:

through analog or digital

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stonith:

wagnerrp: can newer receivers just disable the prologic feature?

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wagnerrp:

prologic only exists to upmix 2.0 signals to 5.1

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wagnerrp:

if you already have a 5.1 signal, there is no reason for the prologic hardware to run

[23:28:38]

wagnerrp:

and beyond that, yes, any receiver with prologic should be capable of disabling it

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stonith:

ah ok

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phunyguy:

don't buy Pioneer.

[23:34:42]

phunyguy:

utter garbage.

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phunyguy:

It has two HDMI inputs and 1 HDMI out

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phunyguy:

yeah... isnt the whole point of inputs on a reciever to get the AUDIO?

[23:35:31]

phunyguy:

well on the one I have, it is nothing more than a splitter for HDMI.

[23:35:43]

phunyguy:

and it does NOT pick up the audio off those channels (per the instruction manual)

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erpo:

About once every couple of weeks, mythtv will lock up so badly that my friend has to hit the reset button. This sometimes kills mysql's database which requires reinstalling mythtv and losing all of his recordings. This is getting to be a huge pain. I would appreciate suggestions.

[23:36:01]

phunyguy:

you have to "make other audio connections"

[23:36:15]

phunyguy:

release?

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laga:

erpo: mysql database backups? and check the log for crashs messages

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phunyguy:

and when you say that mythtv crashes, the player freezes?

[23:36:47]

wagnerrp:

erpo: just about the only thing that could happen that may cause irreparable errors to your database would be running out of file space

[23:36:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

erpo: Locks up as in no response what soever??

[23:37:13]

wagnerrp:

anything else, and there any any number of tools and guides showing you how to recover crashed tables

[23:37:23]

phunyguy:

because you can press alt-f2 and run xkill to kill the frintend

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phunyguy:

frontend*

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phunyguy:

and that keeps your backend safe

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erpo:

phunyguy: Mythbuntu 8.10, I think. And when I say that it locks up, I mean no response to the remote.

[23:38:06]

erpo:

phunyguy: There is no keyboard plugged in. This is a DVR.

[23:38:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

... or just program a remote control button to kill/start the frontend – that's what I did with my MCE remotes – don't have to use it that often, but it comes in handy.

[23:38:13]

phunyguy:

plug a keyboard in then.

[23:38:23]

phunyguy:

it is also a computer aside from a DVR

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wagnerrp:

phunyguy: no.... you can hit alt-f2 in GNOME to bring up a run prompt

[23:38:36]

phunyguy:

you are using mythbuntu

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phunyguy:

which is xfce

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phunyguy:

and alt-f2 works.

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wagnerrp:

KDE may be the same way, but that is in no way a X default

[23:39:04]

phunyguy:

he is using*

[23:39:12]

phunyguy:

and KDE is the same way.

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** J-e-f-f-A alt-f2 works in kde on FC8 ;-) **

[23:39:20]

phunyguy:

so Gnome+XFCE+KDE

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phunyguy:

all works

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phunyguy:

get off me ;)

[23:39:44]

phunyguy:

erpo: i keep a keyboard plugged in and scooted under my entertainment center

[23:40:00]

phunyguy:

it is still a computer and should be treated as such.

[23:40:19]

wagnerrp:

anyway, if mythtv is borked, SSH in and fix it

[23:40:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

erpo: Even if he doesn't have a keyboard hooked up, there's always SSH from another computer... Or, the power-button solution like I have setup...

[23:40:26]

wagnerrp:

mythtv runs independent of your database

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erpo:

Basically, he's not a techie and I'm not at his house all the time. An ideal solution would be one that makes the mythtv box act like a maintenance-free appliance rather than a computer. If a reset is absolutely necessary, then it should come back up without any tinkering.

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erpo:

J-e-f-f-A: I've tried that...

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phunyguy:

ok

[23:40:59]

erpo:

J-e-f-f-A: The problem is that sometimes it locks up so thoroughly that it won't respond to ssh.

[23:41:01]

phunyguy:

i said what I wanted to.

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wagnerrp:

if the whole system, linux and all is borked, well then you should be fixing that, rather than try to figure out a way to recover the database

[23:41:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

erpo: If the whole system locks up, I'd be looking into the possibility of overheating....

[23:41:50]

phunyguy:

Its usually faulty hardware that borks linux like that

[23:42:03]

phunyguy:

in my case my video card causes a hard crash – screen goes black.

[23:42:06]

phunyguy:

fans kick up

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jams:

erpo, this won't fix the lock problem but why is he hitting the reset button vs the power button and letting it shutdown proper.

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phunyguy:

have to hit the reset button

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phunyguy:

jams, he said it locks harder than that

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J-e-f-f-A:

well, he said it sometimes locks harder than that...

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phunyguy:

jinx

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erpo:

Hmm. Maybe the right solution is to split the drive into two partitions, do a fresh install, and dd one to the other. Then when it breaks, I can just dd the image back into the boot partition and be ready to go quickly.

[23:44:06]

erpo:

As far as the source of the faults, I'm looking at the nVidia driver.

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J-e-f-f-A:

erpo: And tell him to not hit the reset button if the HDD light is blinking – instead hit the power button (for just a second) to cause linux to shut down the box clean.

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J-e-f-f-A:

erpo: Problem with that approch is that he'd lose all recordings when you DD'd the drive back...

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phunyguy:

not to mention any database transactions

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erpo:

J-e-f-f-A: The problem is that I can't depend on clean shutdowns being an option. Every once in a while it won't respond to the power button and a hard reset becomes necessary. Then *bam* the tables get corrupted and I have to reinstall, which takes a long time, or try to repair the tables, which takes a long time and doesn't always yield good results (I've tried that route before). :/

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phunyguy:

this is why i keep the database on a seperate box that runs backup jobs

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phunyguy:

hourly.

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Dagmar:

So make backups of the db

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erpo:

J-e-f-f-A: True, but he loses all of his recordings anyway when the database dies.

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phunyguy:

install webmin

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J-e-f-f-A:

erpo: What version of mythtv btw? I've had very few issues with 0.21-fixes compiled from source...

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phunyguy:

and schedule the jobs

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phunyguy:

its a simple setup

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phunyguy:

he is using whatever came with mythbuntu 8.10

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erpo:

phunyguy: Now that may work...

[23:47:15]

erpo:

phunyguy: Yeah, but I'm the one asking for assistance. "What version of mythtv" is a reasonable question for me to find the answer to.

[23:47:31]

phunyguy:

:?

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phunyguy:

:-/

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Dagmar:

If you can't be bothered to find out what you're running, don't expect help.

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J-e-f-f-A:

erpo: It'd be a 0.21-something variant. ;-)

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erpo:

Dagmar: That's what I said.

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phunyguy:

thats what he just said...lol

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erpo:

:)

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phunyguy:

get your friend in here too so he can learn something ;)

[23:49:02]

phunyguy:

instead of relying on you.

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J-e-f-f-A:

IDK if they have periodic mythtv builds/updates that track 0.21-fixes, but you may want to check on that. ;-)

[23:49:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

erpo: ^^^

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phunyguy:

also erpo, try out mythbuntu 9.04

[23:49:54]

phunyguy:

that cured 99% of my issues. (If you want a quick fix)

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erpo:

That may be the right way to go.

[23:50:48]

erpo:

I'll try 9.04, since it says it uses 0.21-fixes20403.

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phunyguy:

i would still advise on the database backups

[23:51:03]

phunyguy:

always.

[23:51:11]

phunyguy:

i learned that lesson the hard way last week

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phunyguy:

my VM server crapped out

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erpo:

phunyguy: Mythtv-related or no?

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phunyguy:

one of the VMs was "mysql"

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phunyguy:

it was everythign related.

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phunyguy:

all my databases were gone.

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erpo:

phunyguy: Ah. Very lame!

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phunyguy:

last backup i had was 6 months old / ake useless

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phunyguy:

i have rebuilt since then and am good to go, but I have hourly backups on that server now

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J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy: Why so complex? (with the VMs)?

[23:53:11]

phunyguy:

im noit using the VMs anymore

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erpo:

phunyguy: Backups are one thing, but from my point of view, a mythtv box is a DVR. When DVRs require fussy maintenance of the same type that computers require, that's a failing. DVRs should be hardy like other set-top appliances: able to withstand sudden power outages or other problems.

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phunyguy:

but originally i liked the snapshot feature so i could break it to test if i needed to

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erpo:

I mean, when was the last time anyone said "You should definitely be running your VCR with a UPS."

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erpo:

:)

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phunyguy:

erpo, its running mysql.

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wagnerrp:

ive never had a problem with power failures corrupting mythtv or mysql

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J-e-f-f-A:

erpo: And it is a computer...

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phunyguy:

you are worried about that, stick mysql on a different server and put it in the closet.

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wagnerrp:

at most, i might have to repair of table

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wagnerrp:

and i think i had to do that once, ever

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erpo:

wagnerrp: I must have exceptionally bad luck then.

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phunyguy:

my mythfrontend can kick rocks for all i care.

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J-e-f-f-A:

erpo: He'd have the same issues if he was using Windoze Media Center...

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erpo:

J-e-f-f-A: But not a TiVo.

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phunyguy:

i can slam that thing down if i have to

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J-e-f-f-A:

erpo: But MythTV != Tivo... it's SO much more!

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phunyguy:

cant even compare the two

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Shadow__X:

erpo, dvrs fail ALL the tine

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erpo:

J-e-f-f-A: That's why he doesn't have a TiVo.

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erpo:

Shadow__X: Do power failures cause them to break in ways that require specialized knowledge to fix all the time?

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phunyguy:

look point is, you cant come in here complaining that its not more fault tolerant.

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Shadow__X:

erpo, YES

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phunyguy:

its as fault tolerant as you make it.

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Shadow__X:

and i can lose power and not have mythtv or mysql error out

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erpo:

I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree. Thanks for the information about 0.21-fixes and the backup suggestions. I really appreciate all of your time and expertise. :)

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Shadow__X:

they resume beautifully its YOUR system

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