Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, May 4th, 2009, 00:04 UTC

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** cesman has never had to do xmltvids manually for OTA **

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** cesman wonders if tmwsiy2012 did a channel scan after binding source to input... **

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pacejr:

how well would a P4 2.4ghz do as a 2-tuner mythtv box?

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kormoc:

Depends on the capture source/device and playback device/target

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pacejr:

ATSC capture, let's say no cross-conversion, to standard def?

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pacejr:

did i say that right?

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squish103:

i have an amd 64 +3000, 2 tuners, one HD and one SD, playing over hdmi to 720p. no problems

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squish103:

gfx card is some cheap nvidia, 1 gig memory

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squish103:

actually it is onboard nvidia

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pacejr:

squish103: so you can record one and watch another alright?

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pacejr:

do you dump the recording straight to disc or do you convert it?

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squish103:

pacejr, ive never had a problem recording 2 and watching one, but my SD card is hardware encoded, so needs very little cpu

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squish103:

no converting, but it does do the commercial detection afterwards

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pacejr:

dumb question: do digital tuners require more CPU?

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pacejr:

to record, let's say

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squish103:

afaik, very little because they digital already, so just dump it to disk

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pacejr:

and how much disk space does normal ATSC broadcast usually take?

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squish103:

um let me check some of mine

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squish103:

6.5 gig for a 1 hour recording

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squish103:

another has 5.3 for an hour

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kormoc:

there is no normal, it's all dependent on the broadcaster

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pacejr:

right, i was looking for a ballpark figure

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mzb:

I find ~2GB/hr on SD (dvb-t or dvb-s in .au)

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mzb:

(4–5 tuners, each tuner becomes 5 virtual tuners)

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pacejr:

great, thanks

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pacejr:

how do ATI cards do with accelerating video?

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cesman:

who knows... Folks are still waiting for XvBA or whatever AMD intends to name it

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pacejr:

so HD is not pleasant?

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squish103:

with me being a noob, i found nvidia easier to get working. have both running atm

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cesman:

your best bet is VDPAU w/ Nvidia

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pacejr:

is Xv generally good enough for SD?

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pacejr:

okay, now the much more important question: is there a good video out there showing off mythtv that i can show my wife?

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mzb:

I don't have a video, will a pic do? http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/LCD/img_0424.jpg

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pacejr:

mzb: nice, thanks

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mzb:

I can probably do some screenshots of mythweb if you like

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mzb:

oh well, I'll paste the links jic anyway

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mzb:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/mythfrontend/

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mzb:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/mythweb/

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wamaral:

hello, is there some way I can pass the path to my qt3 lib on configure, when I build mythtv?

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wamaral:

I have both qt4 and qt3, but qt3 is not on the lib path or anything

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Wicked:

hello all. i have a pvr-150 and it seems to be working fine. but im having a problem with this http://pastebin.com/m5ef12196 . someone suggested making the mpg cache on my card bigger so i set it to the highest it would let me(was 14mb's) but im still getting those errors...but i only seem to be getting those errors when mythcommflag is running....is it likely that mythcommflag is bogging the system down for this to happen(cpu is core2du, 4 gigs

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Wicked:

ram, nvidia gtx260 running ubuntu 9.04)

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Wicked:

with a sata hard drive

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wagnerrp:

speed of the system is irrelevant, considering it takes next to no processor to record off a 150 anyway

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wagnerrp:

the problem is the PCI bus

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wagnerrp:

you need a relatively high latency, or else youre going to get poor bandwidth on the PCI bus

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wagnerrp:

how many tuners are you using? any framegrabbers? network cards? sound cards?

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Wicked:

one tuner

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Wicked:

the pvr-150 is the only pci thing on the computer. network/sound is onboard

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Wicked:

i dont have a awesome motherboard..but its certainly not bottom of the barrel eitehr. its a asus p5b

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression this problem was largely resolved

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wagnerrp:

the ivtv driver is supposed to force the pci latency high enough

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wagnerrp:

check dmesg to see if theres some sort of error

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Wicked:

hmm ok. might take a few mins lol those damn errors really do flood my dmesg(the one i posted in pastebin)

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Wicked:

i dont see anything suspicious from what i greped out http://pastebin.com/m1d7ab8

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Wicked:

only reason it even bothers me is when there is alot to record(like sundays) sometimes the video will skip a few seconds or get glitchy because of all the dropped frames(i think)

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wagnerrp:

it should be spitting out an error when loading the driver if the pci latency is too low

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Wicked:

ah i dont see any errors

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phunyguy:

hello!

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phunyguy:

long time no see...

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phunyguy:

just had a quick question... does anyone have any experience with the WinTV-HVR-950Q USB HD Tuner? Not asking for help setting one up, just want to know how it performs....

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phunyguy:

it's like $62.... so a good price...

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wagnerrp:

no room for internal cards?

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phunyguy:

there is, but the cheapest I could find was over $70

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phunyguy:

and I don't have PCI Express in the backend

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phunyguy:

just PCI

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wagnerrp:

kworlds are usually found for ~$50

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phunyguy:

just figured if it performs well, why does it have to be internal?

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wagnerrp:

careful about those, because only some support QAM

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phunyguy:

hmmm don't know much about QAM / not QAM

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wagnerrp:

the pinnacle 800i can sometimes be found on sale for <$50

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phunyguy:

but it will be for cable (local company that is all unencrypted)

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wagnerrp:

if its all encrypted, than a tuner card is worthless

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phunyguy:

UN

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phunyguy:

:)

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wagnerrp:

oh, right

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phunyguy:

only like 90 channels, some HD

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phunyguy:

its all they offer

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wagnerrp:

all unencrypted? very odd

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phunyguy:

very local company

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wagnerrp:

anyway, you need QAM support for cable

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phunyguy:

probably only a few thousand customers

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phunyguy:

check out schedulesdirect, zip 31548 – Kings Bay Communications

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phunyguy:

thats the lineup

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phunyguy:

so you suggest...?

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wagnerrp:

how do you know its unencrypted? use with a tv?

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phunyguy:

i dont have it yet but it is advertised as such – no box required

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wagnerrp:

dont suggest anything, i have no digital PCI cards

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phunyguy:

I have Dish Network right now, and the box does not support any type of DVR setup except their own

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wagnerrp:

ive just never really liked those USB stick tuners

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phunyguy:

no way to get the encoded content to the PC

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phunyguy:

except with a $200 encoder boxc

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phunyguy:

-c

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phunyguy:

so my contract is about up and I am wanting to switch.

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phunyguy:

so pinnacle 800i = let me look that one up

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wagnerrp:

they usually run for ~$70

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wagnerrp:

unless you can find one on sale or refurb

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wagnerrp:

ive seen them as low as $20

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phunyguy:

yeah that would be cool.

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** cesman has used a 850 not a 950. 850 is a fine tuner. **

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phunyguy:

will probably end up with 4 if they are cheap

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phunyguy:

cesman, the USB?

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cesman:

yes

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phunyguy:

sweet.

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phunyguy:

only other issue is, not sure if I have USB 2.0 in that box

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wagnerrp:

old box

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phunyguy:

it's an old PIII 1GHz

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phunyguy:

and more than 1 has to work at a time

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wagnerrp:

yeah, probably not USB2.0

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phunyguy:

but its only recording

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phunyguy:

so i may need a card

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phunyguy:

or 4

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wagnerrp:

you could of course pick up a USB card for ~$10

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phunyguy:

well actually I still have a DVICO fusion 5 RT Gold

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phunyguy:

or whatever it's called

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wagnerrp:

however i still dont like USB sticks

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phunyguy:

how would a USB 2.0 card perform on 1 PCI slot?

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wagnerrp:

i dont like the concept of something being cantilevered out like that

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phunyguy:

recording HDx4

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wagnerrp:

PCI is theoretically good for 133MBps

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phunyguy:

theoretically

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wagnerrp:

which your digital recordings are going to peak out at 19Mbps

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phunyguy:

so 76...

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wagnerrp:

b

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phunyguy:

OH

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phunyguy:

lawl.

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phunyguy:

my bad

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kormoc:

theoretically? a bus speed is theoretical?

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phunyguy:

yeah thats good then

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phunyguy:

maybe maybe I will consider that

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wagnerrp:

a bus speed is exactly defined

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wagnerrp:

doesnt mean its good for that throughput

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phunyguy:

so if it supports clear QAM Cable, I am good?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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phunyguy:

that USB stick does

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wagnerrp:

assuming the channels are all unencrypted

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wagnerrp:

i would call up first

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phunyguy:

and the server will be in a rack in my closet

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phunyguy:

so im not worried about the protrusion effect

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phunyguy:

im sure they are

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phunyguy:

they dont require a tuner box

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wagnerrp:

not needing a cable box could just mean they still have analog cable

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phunyguy:

and only have 1 "package"

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phunyguy:

no its all one

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phunyguy:

not tiered

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wagnerrp:

well '1 package' is more meaningful

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wagnerrp:

but... i would still confirm

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phunyguy:

yeah i will.

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phunyguy:

so theoretically they have all unencrypted

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phunyguy:

there's that word again

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phunyguy:

ok so a USB 2.0 card and 4 USB tuners should to me well....

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phunyguy:

I will sell the DVICO

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp could you get firewire info by calling the cable company

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: they will usually tell you they dont support firewire

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wagnerrp:

but this seems to be a special case

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wagnerrp:

apparently they advertise the lack of need for a cable box

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phunyguy:

like i said

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phunyguy:

probably 3000 customers at most

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phunyguy:

very small cable company

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Shadow__X:

ah because i am moving and wouldnt mind getting a better idea of what i might get

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phunyguy:

i had them before they were digital...

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phunyguy:

and they sucked, but the "no-box" deal seems liek a winner

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phunyguy:

not to mention I am still set up for them

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phunyguy:

dish network just unplugged one of my rooms from them to plug the dish in

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phunyguy:

the other 3 rooms are still plugged into their standard coaxial 4 way splitter, with the input coming from the street

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phunyguy:

ok so the 950 is a good deal then

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phunyguy:

i read in a forum that it works in linux, so it should be fine with myth, right?

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wagnerrp:

check linuxtv.org

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phunyguy:

i think thats where I read it

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phunyguy:

ok, good to go, found a 5 Port USB PCI card for $10

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phunyguy:

with reviews stating it works in ubuntu on an old thunderbird motherboard

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mzb:

ports 4+5 are probably 'shared'

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phunyguy:

yeah one is internal

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phunyguy:

won't get used

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mzb:

k

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Dagmar:

Shared?

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Dagmar:

USB doesn't really have IRQ sharing issues

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phunyguy:

who said IRQ?

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wagnerrp:

hes saying its a four port card

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mzb:

the 4th 'port' is split into two = 1 external + 1 internal. You can only use one of them at a time

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wagnerrp:

with five plugs

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Dagmar:

Well, there's precious little _else_ that can be shared in relevance to USB

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Dagmar:

Ahh..

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Dagmar:

I've never had one that wasn't all one or all the other.

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mzb:

so in reality, '5-port' cards are 4+1

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phunyguy:

good deal

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phunyguy:

wonder how much i can get for my dvico fusion card

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phunyguy:

that will help

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phunyguy:

ok, well I am going to ponder this in bed – ninite

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phunyguy:

ok can't sleep.

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phunyguy:

I looked into the cable companies service – regarding the clear QMA signals

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phunyguy:

QAM*

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phunyguy:

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phunyguy:

only downside, i thought my dish network contract was 18 months, it is 24...

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phunyguy:

with a fee for each month left in the contract when terminating early.

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phunyguy:

(like $12-$13)

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phunyguy:

almost worth it... 154 channels... 22 of them HD

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phunyguy:

$46 a month

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phunyguy:

no hidden fees

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phunyguy:

no contract

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wagnerrp:

so its cheaper, and you dont have the STB rental

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phunyguy:

yes.

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phunyguy:

pretty much a no-brainer

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RyeBrye:

22 HD clear QAM channels?

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RyeBrye:

that's nice

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phunyguy:

yessir

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wagnerrp:

on the opposite side, you have to a $70 buyout, and tuner costs

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phunyguy:

right... but i have an extra paycheck coming in 2 months

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phunyguy:

$1330

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phunyguy:

(i budget 2 a month but get 26 checks a year)

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phunyguy:

but how much am I paying for TV now? $65.

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phunyguy:

it will pay for itself.

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phunyguy:

wow, getting excited about this.

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wagnerrp:

whats this? company provides a worthwhile service, and people actually want to switch to it?

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phunyguy:

i was with this company before and it was terrible.

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wagnerrp:

what a novel idea

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phunyguy:

but they have come a long way

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phunyguy:

yeah no crap.

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wagnerrp:

not a lot you can do to screw up digital cable

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wagnerrp:

unless you transcode streams

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wagnerrp:

and that becomes absurdly expensive

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phunyguy:

well, they only had analog cable when i was with them, and they took the HD feeds – chopped the sides off, and send it to us

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phunyguy:

sent*

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phunyguy:

needless to say it was terrible

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phunyguy:

liek food network...

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phunyguy:

they have a seperate SD and HD channel

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phunyguy:

well they gave us the HD side with the sides cut off, – not designed for SD.

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phunyguy:

not to mention it was the Extra stuff in HD, not their normal programming

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phunyguy:

only a few shows were HD with food network.

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phunyguy:

so i dropped them like a bad habit... now they seem to have gotten their act together and my neighbors love it.

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phunyguy:

seeing dishes all over the place disappear

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phunyguy:

just hope i don't get raped too bad with termination fees / "missing" equipment.

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phunyguy:

oooh, their internet sucks though... i will stay DSL for that... They have usage caps

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phunyguy:

60 gig

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phunyguy:

with $2 a gig after that

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phunyguy:

10 meg, but how long will it take you to download 60 gigs with 10 meg... lol

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phunyguy:

wow, thats like 5–6 days of downloading

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phunyguy:

thats it.

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phunyguy:

garbage!

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wagnerrp:

not even close

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phunyguy:

was i off?

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wagnerrp:

its a bit over 13 hours

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phunyguy:

did the math fast

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phunyguy:

wow

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phunyguy:

yeah thats not cool

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phunyguy:

either way

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phunyguy:

looks like i missed a 0

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phunyguy:

i came up with 133 hours

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phunyguy:

lol

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wagnerrp:

while i admit the 1/5/10/20 caps on roadrunner were absurd, most users can stick under 60gb/mo... for now

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phunyguy:

not me

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phunyguy:

I have 3 meg and i do waaaay more than that

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phunyguy:

are those caps download only?

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phunyguy:

or combined?

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wagnerrp:

besides my usage, the rest of the family pulls about 15GB/mo

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wagnerrp:

theyre usually combined

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phunyguy:

ahh

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phunyguy:

i do just as much out as i do in...

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phunyguy:

stream music from home to work – etc

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phunyguy:

i am anxious to see what their plans are with the fiber they are running in my neighborhood

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phunyguy:

i see 25 meg internet advertised on their site...

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phunyguy:

(this is the DSL company)

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phunyguy:

(telecom)

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phunyguy:

didnt see any usage caps though

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phunyguy:

sleep attempt #2 – ninite

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, what are your downloads a month :)

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wagnerrp_:

somewhere around 100–150

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wagnerrp_:

seems changing the system clock on my firewall causes it to go nuts

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wagnerrp_:

i was messing around with it this weekend, and apparently i reset the clock to 2000

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Shadow__X:

heh nice

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Shadow__X:

hmm i dont know what i do a month now probably about the same it used to be much much higher though

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bunder:

looking for some docs, i'm planning on splitting my front/back ends, along with renaming them at the same time... anyone know any good ones?

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wagnerrp:

there is a page on the wiki about how to move the backend from one machine to another

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wagnerrp:

the frontend doesnt really matter

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bunder:

the backend itself is staying on the same machine but i'm just renaming the machine

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bunder:

i hope that doesn't cause too much of an explosion

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wagnerrp:

since all settings are stored off the hostname, it is almost the same as moving to a new machine

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bunder:

ah, figured as much

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bunder:

i know i've seen that doc before, but i just can't seem to find it

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bunder:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.15

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bunder:

d'oh! now i'm double stuck because i called the box "mythtv"

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i was about to mention that

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bunder:

hehe

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bunder:

well, i'll poke around... i might be back during the week ;)

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Traveler:

hello

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Traveler:

anyone here?

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FR^2:

No, everyone dropped dead some minutes ago ;)

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Dibblah:

And... He left before you answered.

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Dibblah:

Patience has no place in the modern world, apparently.

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|newbie|:

hello

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|newbie|:

peeople

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|newbie|:

ayyy

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superdump:

in debian unstable, what package is needed to satisfy the dependency for -lGL?

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superdump:

i thought it was some mesa -dev package

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superdump:

i have libgl1-mesa-dev installed

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superdump:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2009-05–04 09:32 libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.180.44

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superdump:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 901272 2009-04–12 23:32 libGL.so.180.44

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superdump:

aha

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superdump:

no libGL.so symlink

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superdump:

cd #debian

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superdump:

erm

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superdump:

duh

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superdump:

:)

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Dibblah:

superdump: You didn't install the full nvidia driver.

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Dibblah:

You need the .3 or whatever version.

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superdump:

i used the m-a method

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Dibblah:

Really? How informative. ;)

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superdump:

:)

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Dibblah:

You still need the full version of the nvidia driver.

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superdump:

http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Usemodule-assistant

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superdump:

hmm

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superdump:

what do you mean by the full version?

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Dibblah:

Look at the end of the instructions.

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superdump:

i installed nvidia-kernel-common, built nvidia-kernel-source and installed nvidia-glx

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superdump:

ok

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Dibblah:

pkg3.run is the installation version that has it all.

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superdump:

hmm

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superdump:

i needed nvidia-glx-dev

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superdump:

not libgl1-mesa-dev

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Dibblah:

So, how long before we get asked how to run Myth on http://www.surpluscomputers.com/348578/philip . . . ies-diy.html

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FR^2:

Dibblah: How do I run MythTV on http://www.surpluscomputers.com/348578/philip . . . es-diy.html?

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sid3windr:

Dibblah: how do you run on http://www.surpluscomputers.com/348578/philip . . . es-diy.html?

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sid3windr:

:>

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** lyricnz notices recordings on his backend from 2006. Might be time to have a cleanup. **

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: Ooh, it's got "up to 274 hours of storage capacity" and "4 picture-quality settings".... woohoo!!! :-P

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sid3windr:

lyricnz: you don't record much, or have enormous storage :>

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lyricnz:

I record 10–20 hours a day, but most of it gets deleted within a month. Plus I have 3000GB of storage :)

[13:35:52]

lyricnz:

The four of us in the house who watch TV are almost completely disjoint in what we record:

[13:36:23]

lyricnz:

I watch motosports, crime dramas, and the occasional documentary. Wife watches stupid shit. Kid watches stupid kid shit. Toddler watches kid stuff.

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lyricnz:

Heheh

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lyricnz:

pardon my bad words

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J-e-f-f-A:

lyricnz: ^^^ re-wife — ROTFL, mine too!

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lyricnz:

I mean, she tapes all this stuff, unbelievable trash, I want to tear my eyes out! Reality TV, talent contests, lame sitcoms (not the good ones), etc.

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** J-e-f-f-A is glad he also has 3TB space – The wife has like 15 different renditions of "The Nutcracker" from the holidays... **

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lyricnz:

But, at least with myth (a) I don't have to watch it, (b) she can watch on any pc or the mediaplayer thingy, (c) I can delete it to make space for bike racing, hahaha

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** J-e-f-f-A needs to show here how to use MythArchive... **

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lyricnz:

Why? get more disk space :)

[13:39:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

lyricnz: Hehe... ;-) I could setup a script to upload them to her Macintosh, then delete them off of Myth... ;-)

[13:39:45]

** J-e-f-f-A lets out an evil laugh... ;-) **

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lyricnz:

J-e-f-f-A: I have mythfrontend for mac, and expose the mythvideos share as a mountable drive...

[13:40:04]

lyricnz:

so she can watch videos too

[13:40:38]

lyricnz:

I only wish mythtv worked a bit better for me – but I haven't really got the skill to debug it

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J-e-f-f-A:

lyricnz: Yeah, I don't think I've updated the frontend on her mac in a year or so – it might still work... ;-) I bought her a mac to get her off of my desktop winblows pc – she was giving me spywhere and viruses all the time...

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lyricnz:

High cpu, occasional lockups, bad audio sync, video stutters etc.

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lyricnz:

J-e-f-f-A: the only windows machine left in my house is my kids laptop, everything else is either mac (2) or linux (3)

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J-e-f-f-A:

lyricnz: She's got a frontend in the living room that she's using more and more... IIRC, it's an Athlon 64 X2 3800... Even handles ATSC 720p fine...

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lyricnz:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, my backend is the same hardware

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phunyguy_work:

hmmmm... forgot about the HD HomeRuns...

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lyricnz:

iirc it did 1080p fine, too

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** lyricnz has a Popcorn Hour A-110, which plays nuvexported videos fine **

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J-e-f-f-A:

lyricnz: Yeah, my old desktop @ home is still XP – needs to be for work unfortunately – and it's one of the oldest computers in my house... (Athlon XP 2500+ – DDR 400 ram)

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lyricnz:

I never got mythtranscode to work properly – always crashed for me

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lyricnz:

J-e-f-f-A: unless you do hardware stuff, windows in vmware works great

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|newbie|:

lyricnz: ky

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J-e-f-f-A:

lyricnz: My Backend is an Athlon 64 x2 4800+ with 4GB DDR2 800 ram and 3TB space... Can you tell where my priorites are? ;-)

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phunyguy_work:

anyone recommend the HDHomeRun? Is it worth $150?

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lyricnz:

My new frontend is.... Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7300 @ 2.66GHz + 4GB

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phunyguy_work:

was going to do 4 USB tuners, but that seems so "rigged"

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lyricnz:

My backend is AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ + 2GB

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J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy_work: I have one... use it for ATSC – works GREAT! ;-) I've had it for about 8 months so far. No complaints from me.

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** lyricnz has two dual-tuner cards **

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phunyguy_work:

ok.

[13:44:46]

phunyguy_work:

found out that my local cable company offers 1 package and package only, all their channels on clear QAM

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phunyguy_work:

1*

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phunyguy_work:

:O

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lyricnz:

Unfortunately my backend storage is made up of lots of small disks, upgraded over the years without getting rid of old ones (too much hassle)

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J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy_work: wow... What region?

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phunyguy_work:

Georgia

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lyricnz:

so it's 2x320 2x500 2x750.... uugh

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tmwsiy20121:

who is the provider?

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phunyguy_work:

Kings bay Communications

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phunyguy_work:

local company

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phunyguy_work:

3000 customers or so

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tmwsiy20121:

you are lucky

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phunyguy_work:

$46 a month

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J-e-f-f-A:

lyricnz: Mine is 6x 500GB drives – individual drives, as a Storage Group, and 2x200GB mirrored (raid0) for my OS & Database.

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phunyguy_work:

yeah i know

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phunyguy_work:

crappy part is: I still have 6 months with dish left

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phunyguy_work:

so i would have to break the contract

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lyricnz:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm too old and bored to do anything fancy, so mine is just LVM'd into a couple of big volumes. Meh.

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J-e-f-f-A:

lyricnz: I had it setup as a Software Raid5, but had TWO drives fail at once on a 'hard' re-boot (power-off)... This way if I lose a drive or two, I'll only lose a portion of my recordings, not EVERYTHING...

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phunyguy_work:

ooh yeah – LVM saved me a time or two

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phunyguy_work:

vs raid 0

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phunyguy_work:

fyi: and 2x200GB mirrored (raid0) is RAID 1

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phunyguy_work:

not 0

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J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy_work: Maybe you can drop down to a lower tier on Dish and still satisfy your contract?

[13:48:47]

phunyguy_work:

well the fee is still cheaper

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phunyguy_work:

its like $13 a month for each month remaining

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J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy_work: re: raid1 – yep, sorry, brain fart! ;-)

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phunyguy_work:

;)

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phunyguy_work:

still don't know if I want to drop $300 yet on the HDHRs... maybe I will start with 1...

[13:51:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy_work: re: tuners — I heard the 2250 (dual-tuner HD PCIe card) is now supported in Myth... might be an option for you too... and it can be had for something like $90 with a little shopping around...

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phunyguy_work:

meh – the backend has no PCIe

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** lyricnz has had pretty good results with Dvico Dual Digital 4 (dual tuner, PCI) **

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phunyguy_work:

i also have a dvico fusion 5 rt that I can sell off

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J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy_work: Sounds like time for an upgrade... ;-)

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phunyguy_work:

not for the backend

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phunyguy_work:

that is fine

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phunyguy_work:

in fact is it is probably overpowered as it is

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phunyguy_work:

1GHz

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phunyguy_work:

;)

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phunyguy_work:

I mean it's just writing data to the drives...

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phunyguy_work:

thats it...

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** J-e-f-f-A 's backend is way overpowered then... Athlon 64 x2 4800+ ;-) **

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lyricnz:

Looking at my backend, it very rarely gets below 95% idle

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phunyguy_work:

right.

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** J-e-f-f-A is a firm believer in "overkill" ;-) — besides, is makes the commercial flagging go MUCH faster... ;-) **

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phunyguy_work:

one frontend of mine is an athlon x2 5400B

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phunyguy_work:

the other is a dual core opteron 1216

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phunyguy_work:

oldie but goodie

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phunyguy_work:

fan gets loud though

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lyricnz:

I suspect event that load is just streaming to the frontends.... I never did get the frontends playing from a fileshare working .

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tmwsiy20121:

I am unfortunately not... I now have an hd homerun and atom backend but nothing on the front that can do the encoding :(... oh well lol

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** lyricnz wishes to transcode, but crashy crash **

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tmwsiy20121:

good excuse to buy new hardware...like I need one

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phunyguy_work:

i dont see a need to transcode right now

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lyricnz:

But nuvexport worked fine, go figure.

[13:55:06]

phunyguy_work:

isnt there a way to set up custom transcode jobs?

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lyricnz:

phunyguy_work: I have other boxes on the lan that can't play my native recording format, but play divx etc fine.

[13:55:21]

phunyguy_work:

like using your own transcoding methods? or is that not possible

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tmwsiy20121:

so is transcoding done by the front end?

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phunyguy_work:

no, server

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phunyguy_work:

(backend)

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phunyguy_work:

unless you set up the frontend as a slave backend as well

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** lyricnz uses cron plus nuvexport **

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phunyguy_work:

not familliar with nuvexport

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lyricnz:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport

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phunyguy_work:

yeah already googled

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phunyguy_work:

;)

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phunyguy_work:

so you can use cron and nuvexport to transcode, and myth still holds it as a recording?

[13:58:02]

phunyguy_work:

how is the quality?

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lyricnz:

same as nuvexport I guess, but all configurable in script

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lyricnz:

you can configure bitrate, video processing, cropping, etc

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lyricnz:

for some reason, nuvexport didn't work for me, when I was setting it up a couple of years ago

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phunyguy_work:

ahh, nice

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tmwsiy20121:

is there anything that can do the conversion in real time... so that you could just have the HQ version and not worry about storing the lower quality ones

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lyricnz:

too much cpu

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lyricnz:

but I guess transcode could start before the recording was finished, and follow it along

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lyricnz:

same effect, more or less

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phunyguy_work:

yeah i would imagine the transcode takes longer than the playback

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lyricnz:

then set your recordings to expire quickly, I guess

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lyricnz:

I regularaly watch recordings as they're being recorded.

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phunyguy_work:

hah

[14:00:31]

phunyguy_work:

yeah thats always fun

[14:00:39]

lyricnz:

Just give it some lead, and skip the adds as they happen, and play at > 100% speed

[14:00:47]

phunyguy_work:

but have to sit through the commercials if you start right when the recording starts

[14:00:53]

phunyguy_work:

;)

[14:00:57]

lyricnz:

Yeah, go have a coffe

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** lyricnz can't watch at 100% anymore, too slow. Heheh **

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tmwsiy20121:

just wait 20 mins per hour of show and you will be back to real time by the end

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J-e-f-f-A:

tmwsiy20121: I've used an un-official plugin in the 0.19/0.20 days called 'mythstreamtv' that used VLC to transcode in rea-time – worked great except 'seeking' doesn't work, at least in that implementation...

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** lyricnz watches mostly at 110–120% speed, and some slow sports at 130–140 (eg: f1) **

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phunyguy_work:

i wouldnt imagine that seeking would work

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phunyguy_work:

the latency would be horrid

[14:01:58]

phunyguy_work:

wtf @ speed-tcv

[14:01:59]

phunyguy_work:

tv*

[14:02:02]

phunyguy_work:

i couldnt do that

[14:02:14]

phunyguy_work:

well maybe for F1

[14:02:17]

phunyguy_work:

lol

[14:02:19]

tmwsiy20121:

interesting... if the content was already commercial free that would be just fine

[14:02:37]

** tmwsiy20121 has an appletv that I would like to continue to use... **

[14:02:45]

tmwsiy20121:

something lie that would be perfect

[14:03:04]

lyricnz:

I'm from NZ, we talk kindof fast, so most american tv seems really slow. Better faster.

[14:03:13]

phunyguy_work:

ahh

[14:03:15]

phunyguy_work:

lol.

[14:03:16]

tmwsiy20121:

haha

[14:03:19]

phunyguy_work:

yeah we are a tad slow over here

[14:03:20]

lyricnz:

Try it sometime.

[14:03:25]

phunyguy_work:

i will

[14:03:33]

lyricnz:

110% you hardly notice, and everyone just seems a bit more excited, a bit more interesting.

[14:03:40]

phunyguy_work:

lol.

[14:03:41]

lyricnz:

Like... everything is The West Wing :)

[14:03:50]

phunyguy_work:

it would drive my wife batty

[14:03:58]

lyricnz:

She'd never notice

[14:04:02]

phunyguy_work:

doubt it ;)

[14:04:10]

lyricnz:

I have to watch _that_ at 100%. It's pretty high on the information density.

[14:04:13]

tmwsiy20121:

what about nz or british stuff... do you speed it up as well?

[14:04:19]

lyricnz:

try it, as an experiment

[14:04:22]

phunyguy_work:

ok.

[14:04:31]

lyricnz:

change the default playback speed, so you don't have to fiddle at runtime.

[14:04:35]

phunyguy_work:

im not currently using myth atm but when i start again, I wil.

[14:04:40]

** tmwsiy20121 is thinking about having to digest the brit idioms at faster than normal pace **

[14:04:40]

tmwsiy20121:

lol

[14:05:02]

lyricnz:

Yeah, if it's not you natural language or style, you might have problems

[14:05:04]

phunyguy_work:

need to switch from dish – they sent a firmware upgrade for my reciever that pwned me

[14:05:08]

lyricnz:

especially if you're from texas

[14:05:08]

lyricnz:

hahah

[14:05:15]

phunyguy_work:

cant disable auto-updates anymore

[14:05:21]

phunyguy_work:

so now every day the reciever turns off

[14:05:27]

phunyguy_work:

at the designated time

[14:05:59]

phunyguy_work:

need to set up a cron job to send a "SELECT" remote signal to the reciever at the same momeny

[14:06:00]

phunyguy_work:

moment

[14:06:29]

phunyguy_work:

so tired of Dish and them not quitting until you use THEIR DVR for a one time upgrade fee of like $400

[14:06:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy_work: Which receiver(s)?

[14:06:39]

phunyguy_work:

VIP 211

[14:06:43]

phunyguy_work:

just one

[14:06:58]

phunyguy_work:

had it for 18 months

[14:07:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy_work: Ah, I've got 4 receivers, 3 on myth — 3800, 3900, and a 510 PVR.

[14:07:27]

phunyguy_work:

well i will have no worries when i drop them for the local cable co

[14:07:31]

** J-e-f-f-A doesn't use the PVR functions of the 510... ;-) **

[14:07:38]

phunyguy_work:

didnt think so ;)

[14:08:04]

phunyguy_work:

need to install a bathroom fan in my server closet as well so I can close the door... its a tad loud

[14:08:13]

** J-e-f-f-A has had dish for 10 years... and originally had DishPlayer 7200 PVRs... ;-) **

[14:08:24]

phunyguy_work:

got a 1U rack server in there

[14:08:45]

phunyguy_work:

if i close the door right now the paint peels off my walls from the heat

[14:08:47]

phunyguy_work:

lol

[14:08:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy_work: make sure it's a commercial-grade fan if you're going to run it 24x7...

[14:09:00]

phunyguy_work:

yea yea

[14:09:06]

phunyguy_work:

found a side-outlet one...

[14:09:14]

phunyguy_work:

and i have an outside wall in that closet

[14:09:22]

phunyguy_work:

was thinking if puttin one in

[14:09:26]

phunyguy_work:

180CFM i think it was

[14:09:32]

phunyguy_work:

or 160

[14:09:34]

phunyguy_work:

cant remember

[14:09:36]

phunyguy_work:

thinking 180

[14:10:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

Probably won't take much, as long as you've got air circulating in there...

[14:10:13]

phunyguy_work:

you dont understand how hot this server gets... lol

[14:10:26]

phunyguy_work:

with the door open it still stays ~100 in there

[14:10:42]

phunyguy_work:

meh i guess circulation is still the key though

[14:10:45]

phunyguy_work:

lol

[14:10:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy_work: Oh, I know... we've got a little closet here @ work with about 10 servers in it, and without the portable A/C in there, it can reach 85+ in minutes...

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phunyguy_work:

portable AC was the other option, but too pricey

[14:11:18]

tmwsiy20121:

Google says that 82 is optimal... at least for their operations

[14:11:28]

phunyguy_work:

82 is very tolerable

[14:11:36]

phunyguy_work:

i keep my house at that in the summer

[14:11:45]

phunyguy_work:

super cost savings

[14:11:56]

** J-e-f-f-A melts at 82... ;-) **

[14:12:06]

phunyguy_work:

i used to

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mzb:

gday J-e-f-f-A

[14:12:08]

phunyguy_work:

was raised in MA

[14:12:10]

tmwsiy20121:

I can do 82 if its not too dank

[14:12:26]

mzb:

phunyguy_work: did you want to see those screenshots?

[14:12:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: Hey man... What are you doing up so late! ;-) heheh...

[14:12:32]

phunyguy_work:

of?

[14:12:38]

mzb:

beer ;)

[14:12:45]

** J-e-f-f-A lives in MA ... ;-) **

[14:12:45]

phunyguy_work:

beer?!?

[14:12:49]

mzb:

screenshots of mythtv + mythweb

[14:12:55]

phunyguy_work:

yeah J-e-f-f-A i think we spoke before

[14:13:15]

phunyguy_work:

...sure..?

[14:13:25]

mzb:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/mythfrontend/

[14:13:35]

mzb:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/mythweb/

[14:13:40]

** J-e-f-f-A would have to HEAT his house to get it to 82, even in the summer... (Most summer days anyways) **

[14:13:52]

mzb:

you dropped out of # before I completed them yesterday

[14:14:13]

phunyguy_work:

oh, right

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: ah... must have been when I made time limit changes to my son's internet yesterday — stupid router has to re-boot to commit them...

[14:14:40]

mzb:

s/beer/moving 1TB+ of recordings+data around/

[14:14:49]

phunyguy_work:

I'm trying to remember the reason for the screenshots

[14:15:18]

phunyguy_work:

(lol)

[14:15:22]

phunyguy_work:

its early

[14:15:24]

mzb:

you asked something about proving to ${WOMAN} what it was like before you committed

[14:15:37]

mzb:

(committed to mythtv, I gather, not to her;))

[14:15:42]

phunyguy_work:

lol.

[14:15:46]

phunyguy_work:

...still dont remember...

[14:15:49]

phunyguy_work:

brb

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: Maybe he was a six-pack deep when he asked... ;-)

[14:17:40]

mzb:

yeah, I was starting to wonder how anyone could have a worse short-term memory than me ;)

[14:18:37]

mzb:

TB's takes a bit to move around, I'm discovering :|

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mzb:

and it seems that watching recordings at the same time is just asking for trouble ... in spite of ionice+nice

[14:19:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: Oh yeah... Are you moving the data via direct sata connections, or over network or usb?

[14:20:32]

mzb:

moved data off raid5 (3x500) to make room for root on r5 as well (the 160GB root drive is starting to have issues)

[14:20:46]

sid3windr:

hehe

[14:21:01]

sid3windr:

I moved 3.5TB in +- 24h from one raid array to another on the same box

[14:21:06]

mzb:

reformatted r5, rsynced and reformatted root/boot, now moving data back on

[14:21:15]

mzb:

(this is on the same box)

[14:21:23]

sid3windr:

now I was rsyncing 850G over GigE.. takes ages too ;/

[14:21:26]

mzb:

box = 7 drives.

[14:21:29]

mzb:

yep

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sid3windr:

hehe

[14:21:44]

sid3windr:

I had 15 and added 6, mcgyver style

[14:21:48]

sid3windr:

now I'm back at 8 :>

[14:21:55]

mzb:

heh ... nice ;)

[14:22:06]

** J-e-f-f-A also has 8 – 6x500 and 2x200 ;-) **

[14:22:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: But you've got the Areca cards, right?

[14:22:25]

sid3windr:

8x1TB here

[14:22:26]

sid3windr:

J-e-f-f-A: yes

[14:22:32]

sid3windr:

I had 15x320

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sid3windr:

on a 16-port

[14:22:46]

sid3windr:

but it was full and case only takes 15 drives

[14:22:58]

sid3windr:

so I bought some TB drives, borrowed a 16-port off work, connected those up as well

[14:23:02]

sid3windr:

and moved everything over

[14:23:10]

sid3windr:

quite the job for the little controllers and pci bus :>

[14:23:20]

mzb:

trying to work out a way of going to 3x1TB (already have 1) as well, and getting rid of the 750GB + 160GB (turns out the 750GB PATA are now impossible to get here, so might be able to do a deal with someone I know who needs one)

[14:23:31]

sid3windr:

I powered the TB drives from another machine, too, hence mcgyver style :>

[14:23:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: yeah, i'm just running my 6x500's as individual drives now – had a software raid5, but switched to individual drives after two hdd's failed on a hard boot...

[14:23:50]

** sid3windr does raid6 :] **

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mzb:

wish I had that many drives (of the same size)

[14:24:26]

sid3windr:

.. which is where you realise when going from 320 to 1000 that you're throwing away a whole TB for redundancy instead of just 320GB :]

[14:24:47]

sid3windr:

I specifically bought them (in batches) of the same size

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mzb:

I'm becoming a great fan of r10 (linux), but I'm not convinced that I'm rich enough for that on a mythtv-be yet ;)

[14:24:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: or in your case, 2TB... (raid6)

[14:24:56]

sid3windr:

I used to have 2x120 + 4x200 + 4x250 ...

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sid3windr:

but that sucks :)

[14:25:05]

sid3windr:

J-e-f-f-A: well yeah, I was comparing raid5 to raid6 ;)

[14:25:07]

sid3windr:

but indeed

[14:25:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

I figure "it's only TV" – so who needs raid? ;-)

[14:26:07]

mzb:

videos?

[14:26:29]

mzb:

ie: I have 200GB+ of music videos ("hand edited")

[14:26:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

When my raid failed, somebody at work asked me "You don't have a backup?" — I said – Umm.. of 2.4TB of data? Yeah, right... ;-) I don't have an Ultrium 3 drive at home... ;-)

[14:27:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: Yeah, I've got about 400GB of videos/movies, but all recorded off of sat — I suppose I could dump them to DVDs 'just in case'... ;-)

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sid3windr:

:)

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mzb:

but for me raid means two things: 1) more likely to get fast(ish) access when I need it (even if the system is busy), and 2) increase the chances that I won't lose anything if one of the drives decides it's time to give up

[14:27:54]

sid3windr:

J-e-f-f-A: this is my "general file server" not the myth box.. so I like raid :)

[14:28:17]

sid3windr:

and as I was looking at the stacks of harddrives I was actually thinking about an ultrium 3 drive :x

[14:28:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: Ah, ok. ;-) Yeah, a bit of overkill for just MythTV... but then again, if I had the $$$ to play with, my myth system would be Raid6 or Raid 10 too... ;-)

[14:28:40]

sid3windr:

at 400G/tape it'd "only" take 10 tapes.. :>

[14:28:46]

mzb:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah got 3x DVD cases (600 capacity?) ... one of those is for movies ... it just takes too much time

[14:28:46]

sid3windr:

yeah well

[14:28:50]

sid3windr:

I had the controller anyway

[14:29:05]

** tmwsiy20121 likes the drobo... esp for uses like this **

[14:29:07]

sid3windr:

I bought the TB disks in the hope that I can now sell off some of those 320G'ers for some return cash.. :_X

[14:29:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: yep, – and that's like 1/2 of the investment.....

[14:29:16]

tmwsiy20121:

firewire 800 is plenty fast for me

[14:29:28]

sid3windr:

controller is like 700 eur or so

[14:29:35]

sid3windr:

the disks now cost me 320 eur for 4x1TB :p

[14:29:53]

tmwsiy20121:

2TB will be as cheap for GB as teh 1/1.5's really soon

[14:29:57]

Dibblah:

Hmm. Funky. Has justinh fallen off the planet again?

[14:30:20]

mzb:

s/planet/toilet? ;)

[14:30:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: If I ever hook my XL1B back up (200 disc DVD changer) back up, maybe I could figure out a script to 'bulk archive' all my videos... ;-)

[14:30:47]

mzb:

yeah, I suspect you're right ... no response from that either ;)

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mzb:

J-e-f-f-A: doesn't a 1TB drive make that redundant? ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: Yeah... I guess it kinda does... ;-)

[14:32:30]

mzb:

sorry, I like the 'mechanical solution' too ;)

[14:32:36]

mzb:

ooohh ... I know what I need

[14:32:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: But I can also load up a bunch of CDs in there and finally get them ripped into my Myth Box... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A just bought a 15' firewire cable to set it up across the room... ;-) **

[14:33:05]

mzb:

a mythtv-irc-bot ... /msg mymythtv record "Doctor Who"

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mzb:

ah

[14:33:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: Ooh, sounds neat. ;-) Or even one that you could send an SMS from your phone... ;-)

[14:33:53]

mzb:

*cough*

[14:34:19]

mzb:

yeah, forget that ... smsc=>irc gateway ;)

[14:34:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

Granted, I can do that now via mythweb and the mobile browser, but sending a text message would be the bomb... ;-)

[14:34:39]

mzb:

*or* use jabber ... but I reckon irc would be easier

[14:35:14]

** J-e-f-f-A can't get an IRC client for his current phone :-( ... but Verizon is supposedly talking with Apple about the iPhone... ;-) **

[14:36:11]

mzb:

I'd have thought that something you can ssh into would mean you could do pretty much anything with (having played briefly with an iphone some time ago)

[14:36:33]

mzb:

$ ssh localhost ?

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[14:37:39]

mzb:

wow ... ears burning ;) ??

[14:37:48]

sid3windr:

lol

[14:38:11]

mzb:

s/ears/@rse? :))

[14:38:43]

justinh:

ruh?

[14:38:56]

mzb:

jk. gday justinh

[14:39:22]

justinh:

heh just looked in the log. no I've not fallen off the planet but I've been cured of IRC addiction

[14:39:32]

sid3windr:

wow

[14:39:34]

sid3windr:

how do you do that?

[14:39:40]

sid3windr:

do you need to get swine flu instead? :/

[14:39:43]

mzb:

almost sounds healthy ... you might need to look into that ;)

[14:39:43]

justinh:

go cold turkey :D

[14:39:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: What? Who wants/needs a cure???????

[14:40:10]

** J-e-f-f-A :-) **

[14:40:14]

mzb:

.

[14:40:24]

mzb:

*hic*

[14:40:30]

justinh:

depends if you're the kind of person who finds inane lusers as annoying as I do or not ;-)

[14:40:52]

justinh:

and whether or not you have anything better to do with your time

[14:40:59]

** mzb wonders if he's an inane luser **

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** mzb decides he doesn't care **

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justinh:

not caring helps

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mzb:

yeah

[14:42:09]

justinh:

speaking of which.. why are themes in /themes being maintained?

[14:42:47]

mzb:

so your saw my irc-bot suggestion? Just wondered if you're interested or can see an 'application' for it

[14:42:56]

mzb:

s/mythtv-irc-bot

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justinh:

maybe an email/sms/tweet/facebook checking thingy... do an auto-search in the guide ...

[14:43:51]

phunyguy_work:

mzb...

[14:43:58]

mzb:

..

[14:44:01]

phunyguy_work:

got chat logs to refresh my brain?

[14:44:04]

phunyguy_work:

lol.

[14:44:12]

mzb:

err

[14:44:17]

phunyguy_work:

i was trying to convince my wife if what now?

[14:44:17]

Dibblah:

Woo. Mytwitface integration!

[14:44:48]

justinh:

somebody made a thing to tweet upcoming recordings, but it'd actually be _useful_ if it worked the other way around

[14:45:11]

mzb:

iirc you were trying to convince your wife that mythtv was a good thing, and you wanted videos to show her. I said something like "would screenshots do?"

[14:45:33]

sid3windr:

rofl

[14:45:34]

phunyguy_work:

...don't think that was me....

[14:45:37]

sid3windr:

mytwitface =)

[14:45:44]

** sid3windr nearly rolled off the chair **

[14:45:50]

sid3windr:

and I'm supposed to be working you know ! :|

[14:46:05]

mzb:

justinh: I'd like to be able to send a msg (irc or jabber, for eg) like "record 'Doctor Who'" and then receive a confirmation of some sort

[14:46:07]

justinh:

like say you're out somewhere & something reminds you to record 'XYZ' – rather than dig out mobile mythweb.. just SMS a simple string like "record once like %dr%who%"

[14:46:24]

sid3windr:

dr who seems popular.

[14:46:39]

justinh:

sounds like a plan to me. the right way round, unlike the useless 'here's what I'm gonna record' tweets

[14:46:40]

mzb:

hmm ... ok phunyguy_work ... must be my (poor) memory ... thought it was you

[14:46:59]

justinh:

sid3windr: first example that sprang to mind unfortunately

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mzb:

I use 'Doctor Who' as an example here for two reasons: 1) it's British, +2) most ppl know what I'm talking about

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justinh:

course if we all had iPhone.. and pockets big enough to store them (not to mention purchase one) ;-)

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kormoc:

That's actually really easy to do, most SMS gateways work with email, so just sms to a email box, write a small script that checks that and sets up the rule

[14:48:06]

mzb:

if I said 'Shameless' or 'Underbelly' I'd probably have less of a chance of getting my message across (I figure)

[14:48:11]

phunyguy_work:

lawl.

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sid3windr:

shemales? :/

[14:48:15]

phunyguy_work:

my wife loves myth

[14:48:22]

phunyguy_work:

just cant use it yet – no working remote

[14:48:36]

mzb:

kormoc: I want to avoid email like the plague

[14:48:36]

sid3windr:

justinh: after purchasing you'll have enough space in the pocket.. :P

[14:48:38]

phunyguy_work:

finally god performance woes cured when ubuntu 9.04 came out

[14:48:39]

justinh:

take the batteries out of her rabbit, then

[14:48:51]

kormoc:

mzb, why?

[14:49:12]

justinh:

my mobile can send emails. but not on my network

[14:49:16]

mzb:

too messy, too slow ... do I need more reasons? ... I want fast send/response

[14:49:45]

justinh:

easy to set up a twitter or similar account, make it private.. have a script poll it at regular intervals & badabing...

[14:49:46]

sid3windr:

email slow?! :|

[14:50:09]

mzb:

needs to be an 'internal' service ... ie: irc or jabber

[14:50:39]

justinh:

for me it'd have to avoid anything needing web access on my phone. not having 3g makes it suck+++

[14:51:04]

kormoc:

mzb, well, same style script will work fine, just use curl/wget/etc

[14:51:13]

mzb:

urgh

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justinh:

be a lot easier just to buy a netbook & use a 3G dongle though

[14:51:32]

mzb:

s/bluetooth phone

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mzb:

(ie: no dongle)

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justinh:

don't buy an LG. Can't do bloody data over bluetooth!

[14:51:59]

mzb:

can so

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justinh:

my KE970 won't

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justinh:

can't manage the phone over bluetooth either. needs a stinking USB cable. I mean WTF is the point in even having bluetooth otherwise?!

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justinh:

I mean.. not without paid-for 3rd party software :(

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mzb:

recently configured one (Dad took it into the shop to try and find out why he couldn't browse on the phone, told the 'experts' that he had 3G over bluetooth through the phone and they showed him the door ;))

[14:53:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: You sure you don't have the phone in a 'data mode' by accident?

[14:53:35]

justinh:

don't think there's a setting for it

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: ...er "storage" mode that is...

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mzb:

isn't that a nokia-related setting?

[14:54:17]

** J-e-f-f-A though he'd seen such a setting on his LG Voyager... Humm... **

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mzb:

took me a while to work out that the only real problem I had with Dad's LG was that Mum's phone was in the same room and has the same ID ;)) doh!

[14:54:56]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: USB settings has data/storage settings

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mzb:

hmm ... no such issues with bluetooth on Dad's cheap LG

[14:55:33]

justinh:

the manual is absolutely useless

[14:55:44]

mzb:

yep

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justinh:

it can't even auto-answer with a BT headset ffs

[14:56:06]

justinh:

and the button on the headset hangs up :-P

[14:56:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Humm... I guess mine just has "USB Auto Detection" – and "Sync Music" "Sync Data" or "Ask On Plug"... humm...

[14:56:20]

justinh:

nice phone otherwise :-\

[14:56:43]

justinh:

but hey at least it has a world clock :D

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mzb:

setup his eeepc with LG (I think I've convinced him to hack the bluetooth dongle into the eepc now ... we'll see;))

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justinh:

thing is, I see generic modem over BT in windows when I pair it with the phone.. just don't get any PAN options with it

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mzb:

I've given up and finally gone to the dark side (Nokia)

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** J-e-f-f-A has a tiny bluetooth dongle that's tiny, barely a nub more than the usb port connector itself... **

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justinh:

dealextreme sell them for pennies

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mzb:

PAN? you want gateway/serial profile, right?

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justinh:

mzb: always used to use PAN before

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mzb:

not for an internet connection

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

just for that infact

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mzb:

if you want to dialup _through_ the phone, you need serial/gateway

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mzb:

ie: serial

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mzb:

PAN is not what you want

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justinh:

why not?

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justinh:

always used to work fine on my last phone

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mzb:

PAN is IP over bluetooth, right?

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mzb:

that's not what you're trying to do

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justinh:

it worked

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justinh:

if you beg to differ, that's fine but that's what I used to do

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mzb:

you're trying to dialup a 3G connection from your PC (bluetooth connected computer of some sort) THROUGH the mobile ... ie: the mobile is only acting as a modem

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justinh:

listen. IT WORKED

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justinh:

I'm not going to argue this point anymore

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mzb:

ok ... would now be a good time to remind you that it doesn't work?

[15:02:13]

justinh:

I don't know/care how/why but it worked

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mzb:

fair enough

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justinh:

as for 'dialing in'.. how the hell would I know what settings to use for this 'dialling' anyway?

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mzb:

hang on

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justinh:

with my last phone, a nokia something or other, I just paired em up, right clicked on the BT icon, selected 'join personal area network' & that was it :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: here in the US on Verizon, I setup my phone as a modem and dial #data and the username is my phone number... ;-)

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mzb:

for starters: http://www.taniwha.org.uk/gprs.html

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justinh:

ahh intellesting

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mzb:

then have a look at what this script does: http://www.3eportal.com/index.php?option=com_ . . . amp;Itemid=1

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mzb:

(APN = access point name)

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justinh:

script? not bothered about loonix

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mzb:

in that "script" (package) is a chatscript which might make sense to you

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justinh:

ahh

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justinh:

having to sort out travel insurance at the mo.. bloody wife has her own laptop but I've got mine out.. GRRR

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mzb:

there's another page around that also details different settings for getting max speed out of different phones

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mzb:

(slight difference in init scripts)

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mzb:

but either way, I managed >200Kb/s on my E51, so I stopped there ... assuming that Dad wouldn't notice any difference (if there was one)

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justinh:

heh I have to use WAP & WAP as username & password. I coulda guessed them!

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mzb:

lol: on the same site: http://www.taniwha.org.uk/ (init scripts)

[15:14:21]

mzb:

yeah, it's probably hidden in your phone somewhere, too ;)

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mzb:

re: remote commands for mythtv, I'm thinking: http://xmpppy.sourceforge.net/

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mzb:

(might be easier/nicer than a scrappy irc bot;))

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justinh:

prolly safern' running an IRC server somewhere too

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mzb:

yeah, got both, doesn't worry me that much I guess .. both are internal

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mzb:

but you're probably right

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mzb:

might have to see if I can wrap my head around python, then (tomorrow;))

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justinh:

well, time's up. TTFN

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philfine:

Hello everyone

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philfine:

Can someone give me a help ?

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philfine:

mythtv source complains I do not have freetype. I am using debian and got freetype6-dev but stil have the same message. BTW, it is the trunk version

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kormoc:

philfine, toss up the error into a pastebin

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gbee:

who said the other day that they didn't like RPM, or preferred deb, because of the ability to use builddep? I'm not sure how long it's been there, but it seems RPM supports it and at least two different package tools take args (yum-builddep and urpmi --buildrequires)

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tmwsiy20121:

I find that deb/rpm arguments are usually perpetuated by a lack of understanding the associated tools, on both sides :)

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jams:

gbee- that was iamlindoro

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philfine:

kormoc: Thanks, I will do it shortly

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gbee:

honestly I've no preference either way, but thought it was worth clearing up that misunderstanding because it limits your choice of distro :)

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philfine:

kormoc: You want the full config.ec ? Or just the printout ?

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sid3windr:

yum sucks.

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sid3windr:

:>

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phunyguy_work:

woohoo!

[16:38:34]

phunyguy_work:

i guess i dont have 24 month commitment with dish

[16:38:37]

phunyguy_work:

only 18

[16:38:39]

phunyguy_work:

so pwnt

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phunyguy_work:

called them up and they tried to transfer me to an account specialist.... to persuade me to stay

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phunyguy_work:

I said, "can you give me 154 channels, 22 of them HD, unencrypted, no set-top box, for $46 a month with no contract or other fees whatsoever?"

[16:43:29]

phunyguy_work:

"wow... no.."

[16:43:40]

phunyguy_work:

so i said have a good day and hung up

[16:44:02]

phunyguy_work:

(was only calling to verify length of contract – still got a month to go)

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thedarkone:

pgunyguy dishnet rocks

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phunyguy_work:

nonono

[16:50:25]

phunyguy_work:

i hate commitments

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thedarkone:

lol

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sid3windr:

what does your wife think about that?

[16:50:52]

phunyguy_work:

about?

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phunyguy_work:

switching?

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thedarkone:

well i had my dishnetwork account since 1994 when they were echostar

[16:50:59]

phunyguy_work:

for $20 cheaper and more channels?

[16:51:06]

phunyguy_work:

they still are echostar

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phunyguy_work:

thats what my remote says anyway

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sid3windr:

about not liking commitments :>

[16:51:50]

thedarkone:

well when i first got my ird with them top of line model was 1000

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phunyguy_work:

HAH! sid3windr nice

[16:52:36]

phunyguy_work:

well i don't want to miss out on the unencrypted cable so Dish has to go

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thedarkone:

u have comcast

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phunyguy_work:

the service has been fantastic, i just don't like having to sign another 24 months to get any tech upgrades

[16:53:03]

phunyguy_work:

no.

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phunyguy_work:

local company

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phunyguy_work:

less than 3000 customers

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phunyguy_work:

154 channels...

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phunyguy_work:

22 being HD

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phunyguy_work:

all unencrypted

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phunyguy_work:

no STB

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phunyguy_work:

even HBO if you add that

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phunyguy_work:

etc.

[16:54:09]

phunyguy_work:

the way it *should* be

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thedarkone:

well i have comcast / dishnetwork / directv / star choice / bell expressvu / comcast digital and anlog

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phunyguy_work:

all at once?

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thedarkone:

yes

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phunyguy_work:

jeez

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phunyguy_work:

i'd hate to see yoru entertainment budget

[16:56:14]

phunyguy_work:

your*

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sid3windr:

:)

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thedarkone:

180.00 a month

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tmwsiy20121:

yikes

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tmwsiy20121:

that is serious

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thedarkone:

that nothing

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GreyFoxx:

You cannot have both vell and dishnet... least not legally

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GreyFoxx:

bell

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GreyFoxx:

bell is not sold outside Canada

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GreyFoxx:

dishnet is not available legally in Canada

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GreyFoxx:

and since you have comcast you are in the US

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GreyFoxx:

and I think the same for Star choice. Canada only

[17:28:42]

meshe:

well, i have both Comcast and Shaw, but the mythboxes for those are 100 miles apart

[17:28:58]

meshe:

you are allowed to own property in 2 countries :)

[17:29:30]

** tmwsiy20121 thought he was OCD **

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tmwsiy20121:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

yeah but in all of his descrptions in the past it's 1 residence

[17:29:39]

GreyFoxx:

:)

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meshe:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

Not that I particularly care :)

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meshe:

*checks* ok, about 55 miles between our residences

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laga:

tmwsiy20121: what's OCD got to do with that? :)

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tmwsiy20121:

just having all those providers seems a bit OCD to me thats all :)

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laga:

ah ;)

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tmwsiy20121:

has to be more thn 85% content overlap (wildly guessing but substantial nontheless)

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meshe:

i loved satt when i had bell expressvu, there wasn't a time when i couldn't find something i wanted to watch (this was pre-myth)

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iamlindoro:

You also can't have someone "turn on" a channel on unencrypted cable without giving it to everyone, but I don't get involved when the dick waving starts

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tmwsiy20121:

... no mines the biggest

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tmwsiy20121:

;)

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meshe:

iamlindoro: you said you had flash working in mythbrowser, where do the plugins have to be on the filesystem?

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Dagmar:

mesha: The same place you normally install Flash for KDE

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sid3windr:

i.e. the same place you normally install Flash for Firefox

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sid3windr:

no? :p

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Dagmar:

Far as I know, yeah

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meshe:

i'm running in gnome, but my flash is installed globally

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Dagmar:

It are all teh Gecko

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meshe:

odd that it isn't picking it up

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Dagmar:

Probably a Konqueror issue

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meshe:

must dig further

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Dagmar:

That's mainly what MythBrowser is.... a wrapper for Konqueror

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meshe:

the trunk version?

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Dagmar:

Doub tit

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meshe:

it's using QT's webkit

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inteliwasp:

i cannot see any video from my cx18 card (hvr-1600) the part from mythbackend: http://pastebin.com/d3c44cbf2

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Dagmar:

You need to go back into MythTV setup and set the card type correctly, afaik

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iamlindoro:

meshe: I have mine in ~/.mozilla/plugins (or similar) IIRC

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iamlindoro:

meshe: just checked, that's the dir I've got them in

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meshe:

were you using the Info Center -> Web? or the widget in your theme?

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iamlindoro:

The former

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meshe:

very strange, I'll have to dig into it more

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meshe:

thanks btw :)

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iamlindoro:

no problem

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iamlindoro:

ISTR there is some nsplugin stuff that gets logged to the mythfrontend console

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inteliwasp:

Dagmar, were you talking to me?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

Revisit the documentation to learn the nature of your sins.

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meshe:

"Make sure you have Qt 4.5 to use nsplugins" <-- there's the problem

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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meshe:

8.10 only has 4.4

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inteliwasp:

Dagmar, that was it, thank you

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Essobi:

WEEEEE!

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darkdrgn2k:

mzb: you there

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philfine:

Can anyone suggest either a tutorial or some list of the packages needed on latest stabe debian to be able to compile 0.21

[20:12:44]

philfine:

?

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gbee:

apt-get install builddep mythtv (or something, I don't use a debian based distro)

[20:18:40]

Beirdo:

ugh

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Beirdo:

WebShell to the rescue :)

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philfine:

gbee: I guess there is no mythtv package at debian :S

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meshe:

philfine: apt-get build-dep mythtv*

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Beirdo:

not allowed to use IRC or ssh from work. Muhahah

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philfine:

meshe:what do you mean with * ?

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iamlindoro:

she means press shift, and while holding that down, press 8

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iamlindoro:

(keyboard permitting)

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meshe:

apt-get accepts wildcards

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philfine:

there is only mythtv-status and mythtvfs :S

[20:22:52]

gbee:

well mythfrontend and mythbackend then

[20:23:06]

gbee:

hang on, mythtvfs??

[20:23:19]

gbee:

we have a filesystem now?

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meshe:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtvfs

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Dagmar:

Yes, it's Reiserv4 spanned across floppy disk using LVM

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iamlindoro:

Basically Mythrename in FS form IIRC

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meshe:

fuse fs "fixing" recording file names it seems

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Dagmar:

...because everyone wants filename changes handled at the filesystem layer, right?

[20:25:03]

Dagmar:

That's the best place for them, so applications don't have to be bothered by actually being able to find those files later.

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gbee:

now I've seen it all ...

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iamlindoro:

It's abstracted, not changed

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Hello Stranger! ;-) Wow, no ssh access even...

[20:25:23]

iamlindoro:

so more like mythrename --link

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Dagmar:

So what happens when the DB gets corrupted info?

[20:26:02]

Dagmar:

we somewhat assume filenames are kosher, right?

[20:26:27]

Dagmar:

...or is this the sort of th8ing that'll have you taking pills to sleep now/.'

[20:27:00]

Dagmar:

Personally, I can vouoch for Lunesta and vodka being effective.

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo... how are you?

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lavermil:

Good day all

[20:31:37]

lavermil:

I am having a bit of trouble trying to get mythtv to find signal.

[20:32:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: I think he went back out in the sun... ;-)

[20:33:06]

CyberKnet:

I guess so.

[20:33:08]

CyberKnet:

Oh well.

[20:33:18]

CyberKnet:

It's already been three years, what's a few more?

[20:33:28]

lavermil:

I followed the setup for the Hauppauge HVR 1600 from the website but I don't get channel signal on analog or digital. I have tried the analog and digital connector. I have also tried comming out the back of hte cable box and still no luck. If I run windows and use something there then it finds signal. so i am thinking I have something configuration wrong.

[20:33:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: hehe... ;-) No kidding, eh?

[20:33:33]

CyberKnet:

I think I spoke with him once since he moved to PR

[20:33:35]

CyberKnet:

maybe twice.

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J-e-f-f-A:

me too. ;-)

[20:33:46]

CyberKnet:

Used to speak with him daily when he was in Canadaland

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lavermil:

if I run mplayer it displays.

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CyberKnet:

Sorry lavermil, I don't know anything about the 1600

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lavermil:

do you know anythign about ivtv-tune?

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CyberKnet:

No sorry... my PVR-500 was pretty much pay, plug and play.

[20:35:22]

lavermil:

:( darn it.

[20:35:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

lavermil: Not me — I use Hauppauge tuners, but just as mpeg encoders, I don't use the tuner on the card. ;-) And my HD tuner is currently a HDHomeRun. ;-)

[20:35:38]

lavermil:

I won't want to use windows....but it is looking more and more like I have to.

[20:36:04]

lavermil:

J-e-f-f-A: did you go that for a particular reason?

[20:36:17]

CyberKnet:

lavermil: Well, each should use the best tool suited to solving his problem... if that is the best way for you, we do wish you will in it.

[20:36:26]

CyberKnet:

wish you well, rather.

[20:36:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

lavermil: I had a PCTV HD3000 and HD5500, and switched to the HDHR to free up slots.

[20:36:59]

lavermil:

I hate windows. I am a linux lover and 1/2 nerd in linux but this cable world is new to me.

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J-e-f-f-A:

lavermil: I also had a 1250 (PCIe), but removed it as I wasn't using it.

[20:37:30]

lavermil:

J-e-f-f-A: did you ever try the hauppauge tuners?

[20:37:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

lavermil: Only the 1250 on ATSC, never QAM (I don't have cable, I have Sat)

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lavermil:

aahh

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lavermil:

I ran ivtv-tune /dev/video0 and it returned a freq

[20:38:51]

lavermil:

I was curious if the freq that was returned was actually that of hte cable signal?

[20:40:23]

lavermil:

I also ran mplayer -cache 8xxx /dev/video0 and I got images crystal clear. My understanding is that is what is actually on the cable channel I was viewing.

[20:42:23]

lavermil:

oh well. I guess I will have to keep digging.

[20:43:11]

CyberKnet:

lavermil: have you been to this page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 ?

[20:43:31]

lavermil:

mythtv.org should have a troubleshooting section. something that shows what commands to run, what to look for, and what the output means. that would help a lot of people solve issues like what I am having fun with. maybe I can purpose a same sheet if/when I get it working and it can be posted on the site/wiki then

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lavermil:

CyberKnet: sorry didn't see your reply. yeah that is the one I followed line by line. on both mythbuntu 8 and 9

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lavermil:

on mythbuntu 8 and 9 you don't need the firmware/etc since it already has that, but I did that as well to make sure and verify.

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lavermil:

oh has anyone tried the logitech mini keyboard with mythtv

[20:55:52]

lavermil:

it is awesome.

[20:55:58]

CyberKnet:

Nope

[20:56:03]

lavermil:

I get mine wednesday and hope to have it up by then

[20:56:06]

lavermil:

have you seen it?

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lavermil:

http://reviews.cnet.com/keyboards/logitech-di . . . 2784878.html

[20:58:27]

lavermil:

that is it, really cool looking and is easy to use.

[20:58:35]

lavermil:

I played with it at frys the other day

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lavermil:

ugh this sucks. I need to call in sick so I can work on my mythtv box and get it all working. :(

[21:08:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

I haven't tried the Logitech mini kbd w/mythtv, but I bought a Sky Navigator Remote w/Keyboard from the UK, and it seems to have switched my MCE USB2 receiver into 'raw' mode... MCE remote no longer works, but 'mode2' shows ir signals coming in...

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J-e-f-f-A:

... so it seems I'll probably end up learning the MCE remote on it in that mode in order to be able to use it again... DOH!

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CyberKnet:

doh!

[21:09:39]

CyberKnet:

I'm lusting after a Harmony 890

[21:09:49]

lavermil:

J-e-f-f-A: no fun.

[21:10:11]

CyberKnet:

I should say rather ... I would very much like to have a Harmony 890

[21:10:28]

lavermil:

what is a harmony 890

[21:10:32]

CyberKnet:

And Amazon's price is quite good for that particular piece of kit.

[21:10:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

lavermil: Yeah, I wonder if plugging it into a winblows box will switch it back into M$ RC6 mode... But then again, I would like both remotes to work on it. ;-)

[21:10:46]

CyberKnet:

lavermil: It's a universal remote that has an RF extender

[21:10:57]

lavermil:

aahh

[21:11:04]

lavermil:

30 feet will be fine for me.

[21:11:06]

CyberKnet:

no visible devices, no fancy PC RF drivers.

[21:11:19]

lavermil:

I might look and see if I can train my sony media center remote to work on linux

[21:11:33]

lavermil:

I doubt I will succeed unless someone has a nice write-up on it.

[21:11:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: This Sky Naviator remote is pretty neat – although a bit large... But flip it open, and it's got a full QWERTY keyboard, and every key has it's own IR code, so super-simple to setup (although alot of learning!)

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lavermil:

holy crap. $350

[21:13:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

lavermil: IMHO, Ir remotes are easy in Linux with a 'generic serial' receiver — and if there's no config file already, you can 'learn' the remote with 'irrecord'... ;-)

[21:13:31]

CyberKnet:

lavermil: $350 for what?

[21:13:49]

lavermil:

irrecord I guess tells you the value it is recieving

[21:13:58]

** CyberKnet runs the Microsoft media center usb IR receiver **

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lavermil:

CyberKnet: harmony 890

[21:14:08]

CyberKnet:

lavermil: you can get it WAY cheaper than that.

[21:14:14]

CyberKnet:

like ... $129 or so I think from amazon.

[21:14:29]

lavermil:

129 isnt' bad at all

[21:14:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

lavermil: Well, no, it learns the IR remote codes to build a configuration file for LIRC to decode the remote button keypresses.

[21:14:47]

lavermil:

i want the keyboard so i can type when using mythweb or something like it.

[21:15:17]

CyberKnet:

139 refurbished, 228 new.

[21:15:18]

lavermil:

J-e-f-f-A: does it say press a button for stop, record, volume up, etc?

[21:15:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

lavermil: Basically – it tells you to enter the button name (you can call it anything), then tells you to press it.

[21:16:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

lavermil: Then you have to map "Stop" to a function in your application in a seperate config file.

[21:16:15]

CyberKnet:

Besides ... that's nothing compared to the Logitech Harmony 1000

[21:16:25]

lavermil:

nice. that will save me a lot of money then. for basic feature I will use the remote

[21:16:26]

CyberKnet:

now there's some expensive remote control ... $499 list.

[21:16:36]

lavermil:

for keyboard/mouse use my logitech dinovo

[21:16:56]

CyberKnet:

ooh, there's a newer model out ... 1100

[21:17:08]

meshe:

vnc on the laptop already sitting beside the couch for keyboard and mouse

[21:17:40]

lavermil:

meshe: I hear you, but I wont' want to teach family how to do that. easy enough for anyone to do.

[21:17:49]

lavermil:

anyone can pickup a remote

[21:18:02]

lavermil:

the next trick for me will then be to get some controllers setup for xmame

[21:18:20]

lavermil:

and snes/nintendo/sega/etc

[21:19:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Check this thing out: http://forums.gbpvr.com/attachment.php?s=94dc . . . d=1205245697 http://forums.gbpvr.com/attachment.php?s=94dc . . . d=1205245703

[21:19:34]

meshe:

i only need to pull out the vnc client when something goes wrong, myth is built very well for an IR remote

[21:20:01]

meshe:

that and if I want to play something in a flash player, but that shall soon be solved

[21:21:04]

CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: Hmmm... so the front buttons map to whatever is inside ... so you had to reconfigure Myth's keybindings?

[21:21:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: That's where a remote like this Sky Navigator comes in handy... ;-) (I have yet to program it on my frontend though, due to it apparently switching my MCE USB2 receiver into a 'raw' receive mode though!)

[21:21:18]

lavermil:

meshe: aahh, i didn't know mythweb didnt' support flash

[21:21:29]

lavermil:

I thoguht it would have s upported whatever it was configured with on the backend.

[21:21:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Every button is a unique IR code, when you flip it open, it changes the codes to they keyboard codes.

[21:22:09]

CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: Oh. Interesting indeed.

[21:22:23]

meshe:

mythweb supports whatever browswer you load it with, mythbrowser as of Qt 4.5 supports plugins like flash

[21:22:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Even Upper and lower-case have discreet codes, making it a snap to setup, except for the learning of the 90-something keys and the huge .lircrc file...

[21:22:31]

meshe:

and trunk mythtv

[21:22:45]

lavermil:

what is the difference between the two?

[21:23:20]

meshe:

mythweb is a php web app for controlling/configuring mythtv

[21:23:35]

meshe:

mythbrowser is the web browser plugin for mythtv

[21:23:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: The only Gripe I have with it at the moment is that it seems to have switched my MCE USB2 receiver into a 'raw' mode, instead of it's normal RC6 decode mode... But I think I can get around that by re-learning the MCE remote in that mode...

[21:24:13]

lavermil:

meshe: I wonder if you could make mythweb go to websites

[21:24:24]

meshe:

mythweb is a website

[21:24:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

lavermil: Umm... Why? ^^ exactly

[21:24:30]

meshe:

i don't think it's what you think it is

[21:24:35]

sid3windr:

=)

[21:24:57]

CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: You don't have a gripe about the way it looks? ;)

[21:24:59]

i_is_cat:

mythweb doesnt work for me *sniff* :'(

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lavermil:

J-e-f-f-A: so you don't have to rely on a custom built browser. why not use firefox and just skin it to look kool.

[21:25:03]

meshe:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb

[21:25:38]

i_is_cat:

apparently neithr does opera :'(

[21:25:43]

i_is_cat:

neither*

[21:25:49]

lavermil:

meshe: yeah, I was confused.

[21:25:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: It's not that bad, although it is larger than I thought it would be... it's probably about a full 2.5" wide...

[21:26:11]

CyberKnet:

and deep, too.

[21:26:33]

CyberKnet:

Interesting concept though.

[21:26:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: But if you think about it this way, it's a Remote *and* a keyboard in one.

[21:27:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

And a FULL qwerty keyboard, not a cell-phone style 'everything is moved around' mini-keyboard... (although that would be neat too)

[21:27:50]

meshe:

btw, i've almost bought the dinovo a few times

[21:28:11]

lavermil:

meshe: why didnt' you? price?

[21:28:44]

i_is_cat:

hmm apparently my db env variables are not correctly set in the webserver conf or .htaccess file and i'm to read through the comments included in the file and set up my db_* env variables correctly

[21:28:53]

meshe:

yeah, can't justify it, we rarely need a keyboard on the mythbox, all recording shceduling is done through mythweb on the laptop

[21:28:59]

meshe:

soooooooo much faster

[21:29:12]

i_is_cat:

which could possibly mean making sure that mod_env is enabled in my httpd.conf file as well as following the readme and install file instructions

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: As far as a remote is concerned... it has the 'major' important buttons on the front, like seperate arrow buttons, Vol +/- , Chan +/- and PVR buttons (Play, pause,rec, etc). Many other remotes seem to 'combine' those features (yuck).

[21:29:56]

CyberKnet:

We set up our recording schedules using the TV – but almost always using the program finder.

[21:30:47]

CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear ... I think it's a solid implementation, and I really like the idea.

[21:30:50]

meshe:

most of our schedules are Search the listings for "Godzilla" and record any time any channel (yes that's my husband's rule)

[21:30:58]

CyberKnet:

It's not for me, but I can appreciate the usefulness of it.

[21:30:59]

lavermil:

I hope it works out for me and I can get the hauppauge hvr 1600 to work. I don't want windows and mediaportal or meedios

[21:31:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: hehe... ;-) It is a little big, but then again, it makes it harder to lose. ;-)

[21:31:31]

lavermil:

J-e-f-f-A: good point

[21:31:52]

meshe:

J-e-f-f-A: put velcro on the back and some on the wall :)

[21:32:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: ha! That's what I did with the bedroom remote – although it was on the headboard, not the wall. ;-)

[21:32:49]

meshe:

nice

[21:33:20]

lavermil:

hehe I need to put velcro on my wife and stick it to her, that way she won't lose it.

[21:33:21]

lavermil:

:-D

[21:34:28]

meshe:

hah, my husband walks off with the myth remote

[21:37:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yikes! It's quitting time! ;-) Yahoo....

[21:38:08]

lavermil:

lukcy

[21:38:18]

lavermil:

I can't wait to go home and play around again. :-D

[21:38:41]

lavermil:

my wife wont' be happy but screw it this is for her and her ability to watch tv without worring about missing shows

[21:38:51]

lavermil:

btw, how good is the commercial skip for mythtv?

[21:39:05]

meshe:

depends on the show/channel

[21:39:10]

meshe:

some shows it's perfect

[21:39:22]

lavermil:

does it ever skip part of the show?

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meshe:

yeah, those are the not so perfect ones

[21:39:53]

lavermil:

yikes.

[21:39:56]

meshe:

i set it to autoskip and if i catch it going to far i turn off autoskip for that show

[21:40:11]

lavermil:

can it be turned on / off per show?

[21:40:17]

lavermil:

or is that manual option

[21:40:43]

meshe:

iirc, it's global, you just turn it off in the menu while watching the show

[21:41:47]

meshe:

press the "M" key and it's commercial auto-skip (or something like that)

[21:42:16]

lavermil:

got ya

[21:42:26]

lavermil:

I iwll have to play with it. provided I get cable signal

[21:42:26]

lavermil:

:(

[21:43:18]

meshe:

"Main screen turn on"

[21:43:20]

i_is_cat:

not really sure what the deal is with that error msg i already followed the steps here http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . hweb/INSTALL :S

[21:43:22]

lavermil:

I wonder why I don't get digital channels through extended cable for cox communications. the cox provided tuner knows of the guide

[21:44:07]

meshe:

i_is_cat: what error?

[21:44:30]

i_is_cat:

i posted it up there a bit if you can scroll up

[21:44:39]

i_is_cat:

tho it looked like i was just talking

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[21:46:18]

meshe:

yeah, that's not really an error message ;)

[21:46:57]

i_is_cat:

its whats displayed when i go to myip/mythweb in my browser..

[21:47:13]

meshe:

did you compile 0.21-fixes from source?

[21:47:25]

i_is_cat:

yep

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i_is_cat:

i run slackware.. its the only way to get things done..

[21:47:44]

meshe:

ahhh

[21:47:56]

meshe:

i don't know slackware :S

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i_is_cat:

shouldnt really have anything to do with slack.. it seems like some sort of config or permission prob.. i'm just not really sure exactly which file or setting it wants me to modify and which install or readme file its talking about

[21:49:21]

i_is_cat:

unless its just the plain httpd.conf file.........

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** meshe nods **

[21:49:32]

meshe:

that's where it most likely is

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** i_is_cat looks **

[21:49:45]

meshe:

all that should affect mythweb is any of apache's httpd.conf files

[21:50:06]

meshe:

RH has like one, ubuntu decided that more is better

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i_is_cat:

well i checked and mod_env is set to load..

[21:52:12]

i_is_cat:

not sure what else it would be :|

[21:52:40]

meshe:

check the apache error logs

[21:55:14]

i_is_cat:

this is all i get

[21:55:16]

i_is_cat:

[Mon May 04 15:56:30 2009] [error] [client 192.168.0.105] File does not exist: /var/www/htdocs/favicon.ico, referer: http://192.168.0.105/mythweb

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meshe:

try tailing it while restarting the apache server

[21:55:43]

meshe:

it might have an onload issue

[21:56:27]

i_is_cat:

well i restarted the server a couple of times and it shows restarting server and resuming normal operations and then the only error after that is the one i just pasted :|

[21:56:44]

meshe:

hmm

[21:57:35]

meshe:

is it on the same box as your backend?

[21:57:42]

i_is_cat:

yep

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meshe:

if you do: mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -pmythtv -h localhost

[21:59:57]

meshe:

on a command line does it work?

[22:00:14]

i_is_cat:

it does

[22:01:01]

meshe:

if setenv wasn't working then you would probably get an error on boot of apache, my guess is that there's something wrong with the credentials

[22:01:38]

i_is_cat:

ive been using apache as a local lan fileserver type thing for a while but i havent really done much more than that with it

[22:01:59]

i_is_cat:

never even bothered with mythweb but it seems kind of neat so it would be interesting to check it out :S

[22:02:27]

meshe:

mythweb rocks, i basically just symlinked the directory into my webroot and copied the config file over

[22:02:34]

meshe:

on the system that i compiled on

[22:02:43]

meshe:

on mythbuntu, it's just there

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i_is_cat:

ya i dunno i'm at a loss

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CyberKnet:

later people.

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i_is_cat:

woooo i got it!

[22:16:49]

i_is_cat:

it was an oversight on my part

[22:17:56]

i_is_cat:

the install file mentions putting the mythweb.conf file in the apache extra dir and gave some suggestions.. i have both the /etc/httpd/conf.d/ dir and /etc/httpd/extra/ dir but mythweb.conf was in the conf.d dir so i copied it to the extra and added a line in the httpd.conf file and it works! :D

[22:18:49]

lavermil:

i_is_cat: nice. no idea what the /extra is really used for.

[22:19:32]

i_is_cat:

it seems to have some extra files but im with you.. not sure what its there for really..

[22:21:43]

i_is_cat:

hmm ok so it seems its only locally accessible.. the laptop is not getting it

[22:21:49]

i_is_cat:

now to figure that part out..

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lavermil:

make sure the config says it will listen on any address for that port and not just localhost

[22:22:47]

lavermil:

maybe netstat -a and look for http

[22:22:49]

lavermil:

or 80

[22:22:57]

i_is_cat:

the httpd.conf config or the mythweb.conf config?

[22:24:20]

meshe:

if you're getting the env error, your server is listening on the right port(s)

[22:24:32]

i_is_cat:

ya i think thats what it says

[22:24:51]

meshe:

the mythweb code is running, there's just something misconfigured

[22:25:10]

i_is_cat:

it says "an unknown module was specified" on the laptop

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lavermil:

i_is_cat: check your apache log

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i_is_cat:

hmm thats a weird error message..

[22:30:33]

i_is_cat:

Argument "\x{4e}\x{2f}..." isn't numeric in multiplication (*) at ./bbccurrentxml.pl line 193.

[22:30:34]

lavermil:

did you google it yet?

[22:30:58]

i_is_cat:

lol my net is dirt slow atm so its taking a while to google anything

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lavermil:

does this sound like your issue

[22:32:57]

lavermil:

"An unknown module was specified > > mythweb" > > In a white box in the middle of the screen.

[22:32:58]

i_is_cat:

hmm theres something here about moving mythweb..

[22:33:12]

i_is_cat:

ya are you at http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /113953.html

[22:33:17]

i_is_cat:

?

[22:33:19]

lavermil:

reading it now.

[22:33:47]

i_is_cat:

me too im not sure where to move the mythweb tho.. and not even sure which files its talking about moving exactly..

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i_is_cat:

cuz in the mythweb.conf file it says to "change this to your mythweb install dir" and then theres some examples such as /var/www/htdocs

[22:35:46]

philfine:

Hello everyone

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i_is_cat:

and i copied the mythweb files just like the install file said cp -R *.* in mythweb to /var/www/htdocs

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lavermil:

i_is_cat: did you adjust that?

[22:36:07]

i_is_cat:

so im kind of at a loss here..

[22:36:12]

philfine:

Why would I get X Error RenderBadPicture ?

[22:36:55]

i_is_cat:

adjust it in which way?

[22:36:58]

Dagmar:

Broken install of X

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lavermil:

i wanna go home and play with mythtv and try to get it working

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i_is_cat:

on my system apache is in /var/ww/htdocs

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i_is_cat:

www*

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lavermil:

this is torture sitting at workw hen you want to be at home.

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lavermil:

i_is_cat: I don't follow

[22:42:36]

lavermil:

so where were the mythweb folders when you started?

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i_is_cat:

mythweb folders are in the mythrelease dir

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lavermil:

ok, and that is in your home directory or something right?

[22:43:38]

i_is_cat:

yep

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lavermil:

and apaches default root web is /var/www/htdocs/ ?

[22:44:07]

i_is_cat:

yep

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lavermil:

so you did a cp -R *.* myweb_folder_in_mythrelease /var/www/htdocs/ ?

[22:44:48]

i_is_cat:

i did

[22:45:04]

i_is_cat:

i also adjusted permissions as mentioned in the install file

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i_is_cat:

though it only specifies the data dir

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lavermil:

in the mythweb.conf you made all the modifications to the default variables that don't match your configuration right?

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i_is_cat:

yep

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lavermil:

not sure if this is still current but i would guess you follow something like this

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lavermil:

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MythWeb

[22:47:49]

i_is_cat:

this is what i followed: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . hweb/INSTALL

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meshe:

what's the output of ls /var/www/htdocs is there a mythweb folder there? or is it just the mythweb files

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i_is_cat:

though im reading the page you pasted right now..

[22:48:09]

i_is_cat:

just the mythweb files

[22:48:15]

i_is_cat:

which is probably an issue

[22:48:56]

i_is_cat:

but i dont know because in the mythweb.conf file it has examples like /var/www/htdocs and also /var/www/html/mythweb

[22:49:24]

i_is_cat:

and since the files themselves are in the /var/www/htdocs dir, that is the one i've chosen'

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lavermil:

one is a redhat placing hte ohter is an apache placing.

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i_is_cat:

aside from the weird php posix and open_basedir stuff in that link you pasted lavermil, everything else looks fine

[22:52:33]

i_is_cat:

and i dont think that would be the issue since mythweb is working locally

[22:53:39]

meshe:

it's working locally?

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lavermil:

and you get the whitebox like the first link yo uposted me right?

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i_is_cat:

well

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i_is_cat:

not a white box

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i_is_cat:

just a white page

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lavermil:

just the message?

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i_is_cat:

but its probably because its safari

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i_is_cat:

ya jut that message and nothing else

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lavermil:

check the .htaccess file

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lavermil:

have you made sure it is set to allow none local access?

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philfine_:

Dagmar: I have gnome running on it :S

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i_is_cat:

what .htaccess file?

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Dagmar:

?

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i_is_cat:

dont see one in either /etc/httpd or /var/www/htdocs

[23:00:49]

lavermil:

hte post was kind of old

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philfine_:

The X problem

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lavermil:

so it might have just been around from then

[23:01:03]

Dagmar:

GNOME and X are separate things.

[23:01:12]

Dagmar:

Consult with your distro managers

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philfine_:

I wrote before: Why would I get X Error RenderBadPicture ?

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i_is_cat:

ya i was just reading somewhere that the .htaccess file is old but should still work if you have one.. i dont seem to be able to find one

[23:02:00]

i_is_cat:

and my other files are accessible from other computers through apache

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philfine_:

Sure but gnome runs on X right ? If gnome is able to run ... :S

[23:02:20]

i_is_cat:

like 192.168.0.105/media shows up all my selected videos and mp3's on any pc in the lan

[23:02:44]

Dagmar:

philfine_: If you knew something, you'd have already fixed your own problem.

[23:02:54]

meshe:

i think you may want to put the mythweb files in a directory and update the RewriteBase line to look at that dir

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philfine_:

Dagmar: Don't just my knowledge only based on my questions ...

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philfine_:

judge

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i_is_cat:

ah ok theres a .htaccess file in the data dir

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Dagmar:

philfine_: If you won't someone has to

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i_is_cat:

and the only line is: Options -All +FollowSymLinks +IncludesNoExec

[23:04:24]

Dagmar:

You got an error out of X, but you're trying to argue nothing's wrong with X because GNOME works?

[23:04:27]

Dagmar:

Please.

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Dagmar:

Use your head.

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philfine_:

Try to make me understand why and not to only tell me that I don't know enough.

[23:05:09]

Dagmar:

No.

[23:05:15]

Dagmar:

It's not my job to explain how X works to you.

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lavermil:

i_is_cat: sorry i can't be of more help. doing my real work at the same time

[23:05:56]

i_is_cat:

lavermil, its cool i appreciate the suggestions

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Dagmar:

The people responsible for the distribution you use will be more familiar with that the likely causes of that error in X is.

[23:06:16]

Dagmar:

You can try to get them to teach you how X errors come about if you like.

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philfine_:

I guess I do not need to understand X to be able to solve this problem, right ?

[23:08:04]

Dagmar:

Could be

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i_is_cat:

ok so i just tried changing the rewrite line to point to the mythweb dir so im gonna see what happens now..

[23:08:31]

Dagmar:

What can be said for sure is that it's not my job to spend the next five hours trying to teach someone who wants to argue with me the intericacies of debugging freaking X problems.

[23:08:50]

i_is_cat:

now i get internal server error which i think is permission related so i might be on the right track

[23:09:17]

Dagmar:

i_is_cat: It means you forgot to tell apache it's allowed to execute those things usually, but check error_log

[23:10:12]

i_is_cat:

Request exceeded the limit of 10 internal redirects?

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i_is_cat:

thats weird...

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Dagmar:

It's looping

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Dagmar:

Do you have an /etc/httpd/conf.d directory?

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i_is_cat:

yes i do

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Dagmar:

...or something similar referenced by a statement like "Include /etc/httpd/conf.d/*.conf" in your httpd.conf?

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philfine_:

Dagmar: I won't bother obtaining any answers of someone that judge my knowledge of "anything" without really knowing me. At least I confirmed one thing I knew from before ... X is a beast that ou can waste 5 hours debugging.

[23:11:24]

Dagmar:

Okay, so put mythweb.conf in that directory then

[23:11:38]

Dagmar:

philfine_: You enjoy being in the ignore list damnit

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i_is_cat:

when mythweb.conf was in the conf.d dir it didnt work

[23:11:52]

i_is_cat:

i put it in the extras and it works locally just not on other computers in the lan

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philfine_:

I will put you on the same list

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Dagmar:

I've better things to do than listen to someone petulantly whine that I won't teach them something they're not ready to understand

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Dagmar:

Fucking newbs

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Dagmar:

Good luck figuring out what an ignore list is

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philfine_:

Fucking judgement ...

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Dagmar:

i_is_cat: The extra/ directory is used to hold a bunch of fragments you MIGHT need, but probably don't, so the only thing by default in httpd.conf referring to that will be a bunch of stuff that's _commented out_

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i_is_cat:

and i do have this line in my httpd.conf dir: Include /etc/httpd/extra/mythweb.conf

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Dagmar:

The conf.d directory on the other hand, generally has *all* it's contents pulled in

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Dagmar:

i_is_cat: Okay, so now make sure you've only got that being referenced ONCE

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i_is_cat:

but it wasnt working when it was in the conf.d dir.. not working at all i was getting a db error message when i tried to pull up the page

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Dagmar:

Either kill the reference to it in the extras directory and use what you have in conf.d/, or remove conf.d/mythweb.conf and stick with the extra/mythweb.conf

[23:14:46]

Dagmar:

Either will work, but both will be bad

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Dagmar:

i_is_cat: This is because there's a few things you'll likely need to adjust in the mythweb.conf

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dannz:

for some reason my recordings arent showing. the ones myth makes automatically of programs i watch are, but not ones i set to record

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i_is_cat:

well the mythweb.conf file seems pretty straightforward its possible i missed something but i went through it about 30 times by now

[23:16:16]

i_is_cat:

ill try your suggestions and see what happens

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Dagmar:

i_is_cat: Specifically you WILL need to set the Directory declaration that's near the very top of mythweb.conf

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dannz:

i can see them in mythweb.. but not in mythfrontend under watch recordings

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Dagmar:

You want it saying something like <Directory "/var/www/htdocs/mythweb" >

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Dagmar:

...where /var/www/htdocs *is* within the DocumentRoot tree

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dannz:

and they are in previously recorded

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Dagmar:

Pretty much every Apache directive that would need to be set from defaults for MythWeb to work is in mythweb.conf

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i_is_cat:

ya mine is set to /var/www/htdocs

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Dagmar:

I'm not guessing, I have a package builder here that literally just chucks that one change into mythweb.conf and copies all the rest of mythweb to the directory, and it magically works

[23:18:06]

Dagmar:

There's actually very little required to make mythweb "go", but those bits that are required are essentia.

[23:18:07]

Dagmar:

l

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Dagmar:

dannz: Sounds like you've somehow got it showing you the live recordings category *only*

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dannz:

is that the default?

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Dagmar:

No.

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dannz:

weird

[23:19:00]

Dagmar:

The default is to never show you the live TV fragments in the list of recordings

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dannz:

must be the ubuntu default, cause i havent changed the filter, but i changed it back and they are showing now

[23:19:09]

i_is_cat:

well i had it working.. but only on the backend system and all the other systems were getting the "An unknown module was specified" error when bringing up the page

[23:19:11]

Dagmar:

It's not the Ubuntu default

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dannz:

weird

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dannz:

damnit.. my commercial flagging didnt work

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dannz:

should it skip commercials automatically?

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dannz:

the flagging did work, but i have to press z to get it to skip

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jams:

dannz- it's a playback option

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i_is_cat:

now even the backend is getting the internal server error message with the same error in the log about the internal redirects so now i'll reverse what i tried and try the other way as you suggested..

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dannz:

auto-skip is on

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dannz:

weird

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dannz:

ill keep fiddling

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Dagmar:

i_is_cat: You might need to chown the files in /var/www/htdocs/mythweb to be readable/executeable by the apache user

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dannz:

thanks jams, Dagmar

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Dagmar:

s/chown/chown and chmod/;

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i_is_cat:

the INSTALL file says only the data dir needs that done

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i_is_cat:

which i've done

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Dagmar:

This is why I said "might"

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Dagmar:

One moment and I'll show you what little this actually entails, provided you can mull throough shell scripting

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i_is_cat:

ok so now i've commented out the line that says to include the extra/mythweb.conf file and added a line that says to include the conf.d/mythweb.conf file and refresh the page and it look like its not processing php or something because i get a plain looking apache page with the parent dir etc.

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lavermil:

i_is_cat: after you commented it out did you restart apache?

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i_is_cat:

i did

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philfine_:

Dagmar: Thanks for your help ... I solve the problem ... 5 minutes thought. Next time ask people there knowledge before judging them.

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Jupp:

what's the easiest way to from find the name of a recording on the mythtv database and map it to the actual filename?

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meshe:

Jupp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythrename.pl#Perl_prerequisites

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i_is_cat:

so now its more botched than it was before...

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Jupp:

meshe, thanks

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meshe:

it's the --link option you want

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** lavermil hands i_is_cat a mythbuntu_9.04 cd and says GO GET'EM!! **

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** meshe agrees with lavermil **

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i_is_cat:

bleh no thanks lol

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Dagmar:

i_is_cat: http://pastebin.ca/1412815

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lavermil:

its a pretty nifty install...provided you can walk away from slack

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Dagmar:

If you do stuff that *isn't* in that list, you've probably wasted your time

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meshe:

lavermil: all of my production myth boxes are mythbuntu 8.10

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Dagmar:

lavermil: Sadly, it's just too esay to make this stuf fwork on Slackware

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Dagmar:

If I didn't get irked from dealing with people like that hoser from earlier, I'd be publicly releaseing my Slackware packages

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Dagmar:

...although I'm damn tempted to just do some quick rebuilding and just give i_is_cat some working ones

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lavermil:

Dagmar: your nice no matter what the channel bot says about you.

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Dagmar:

I know I'm nice.

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laga:

we don't have a channel bot

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Dagmar:

I'm just neither Mother Theresa, nor Job.

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meshe:

!trout laga

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** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of meshe... **

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meshe:

nope, no channel bot here

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i_is_cat:

Dagmar, that really does look fairly simple

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lavermil:

hehe

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i_is_cat:

unfortunately im at the point where i touched so much i dont know what issues i've now caused myself

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Dagmar:

i_is_cat: It really isn't a whole lot. kormoc et al have tried to make it as much of a "drop in" installation as possible

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laga:

meshe: meh.

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Dagmar:

i_is_cat: Well, considering it keeps no important data that isn't temporary, you can always nuke your /var/www/htdocs/mythweb directory and start that part over

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i_is_cat:

i tried and now im getting this weird error thats mentioning a huge dir where i downloaded the damned mythweb and im not sure why lol

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meshe:

(as long as your directory nuking tool doesn't follow symlinks)

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i_is_cat:

The requested URL /home/i_is_cat/downloads/mythtvrelease/mythplugins/mythweb/mythweb.php was not found on this server.

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i_is_cat:

trying to go through the conf files to find where the hell that would be and change it

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Dagmar:

i_is_cat: How far from stock if your installation of Apache?

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i_is_cat:

k found that part and changed it back

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i_is_cat:

its working locally again

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Dagmar:

Ah okay

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i_is_cat:

Dagmar, it is stock

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i_is_cat:

now i have to check on the other system.. one sec

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Dagmar:

I ask because I'm using the mythweb package I have with an only slightly modified apache package

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Dagmar:

A nearly completely out-of-the-box config of Apache will work

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i_is_cat:

it works on the other system now too woot! thanks for the help

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lavermil:

what was the root issue?

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lavermil:

and solution?

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i_is_cat:

i think it was the not having everything in the mythweb directory under /var/www/htdocs

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lavermil:

extra pointers?

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lavermil:

i_is_cat: was it broken up between two folders?

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i_is_cat:

i did like the install file says: cp -r mythplugins/mythweb/*.* /var/www/htdocs/

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i_is_cat:

thats the only real thing i can find that was the issue.. that and permissions

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lavermil:

me personally I would go back and start from scratch and find out what you did exactly to break it.

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i_is_cat:

lol it wasnt until i tried to fix it that it broke

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clever:

i_is_cat: *.* is unneeded and will break things

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clever:

i_is_cat: just use *

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i_is_cat:

i mean it is pointless to have it running if you can only access it on the backend but..

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i_is_cat:

clever, i always use * but since the install file says to do *.* i used it

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lavermil:

I will be running a hybrid

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clever:

*.* is back from the old dos days

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lavermil:

*.* only matters if you need to get dotted files

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clever:

and will probly skip all files without a .

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i_is_cat:

so that in itself was an issue i know because when i actually created the mythweb dir manually and went to copy the files it messed up and didnt copy them properly with a *.*

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lavermil:

* will not match dotted files

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clever:

lavermil: yeah, but *.* wont match foo

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lavermil:

.htaccess should be skipped if you just did a cp

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i_is_cat:

so i just eventually did a cp -R mythweb /var/www/htdocs

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clever:

and -r will get every file, so * itself is totaly useless

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lavermil:

personally if you odn't need the directory anymore I would have just done a mv and then been done with it.

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lavermil:

clever: got ya

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Dagmar:

You mean.... you did what the docs said to do?

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Dagmar:

;)

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i_is_cat:

lol

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Shadow__X:

some read the manual!?

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i_is_cat:

that doc should be altered

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Shadow__X:

someone*

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i_is_cat:

streaming doesnt seem to work im not sure if its an issue with mythweb or with vlc but it mentions something on vlc about cant decode rjpg or some crap

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i_is_cat:

sound works but no video

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kormoc:

i_is_cat, easy fix, throw out the framegrabber

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i_is_cat:

?

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kormoc:

i_is_cat, the only devices that record in rtjpeg format are frame grabbers, old old cards.

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kormoc:

you can change the recording profile to record in mpeg-4, but it eats up cpu cycles

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i_is_cat:

ah ya.. its a pos but it was cheap

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i_is_cat:

good to know tho

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i_is_cat:

my uncle has 3 tuners he isnt using and tore up his myth box for parts for a nas box so maybe he'll let me take the 350..

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i_is_cat:

but for now.. its off to the doctor, thanks again for the help everyone :)

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