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[00:10:02] | ccfreak2k: | Of those of you that have a TV tuner card, what is the latency of it? |
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[00:11:40] | Dagmar: | Whatever the encoder buffer size is set to |
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[00:14:41] | ccfreak2k: | Hmm. |
[00:23:05] | kormoc: | I can't say as I never do live tv |
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[00:30:54] | ccfreak2k: | Dagmar's answer is probably the best and most poignant. |
[00:31:44] | ccfreak2k: | The topper would be an answer to "what's the average buffer size for different cards with PCs that exceed live TV requirements?" |
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[00:31:59] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
[00:32:05] | Dagmar: | Why does it matter if one "exceeds" live TV requirements. |
[00:32:22] | ccfreak2k: | To keep the CPU from being a variable. |
[00:32:34] | kormoc: | why would the CPU affect buffer size? |
[00:32:38] | Dagmar: | Framebuffer cards are beneath contempt |
[00:32:50] | ccfreak2k: | Well, ok, skip that part then. |
[00:33:16] | kormoc: | typically reported times are between .5 and 15 seconds, trending more towards 10 |
[00:33:23] | Dagmar: | If you want near-instantaneous channel changes on Live TV, then MythTV is not what you should be using... TVTime is probably what you should be using. |
[00:34:37] | ccfreak2k: | Hmm. |
[00:34:50] | ccfreak2k: | So say 90% are 1000ms+? |
[00:35:01] | kormoc: | likely more then that |
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[00:35:18] | kormoc: | I'd say prop 98–99% are 1s+ |
[00:35:32] | ccfreak2k: | Ok, that's all I need. |
[00:35:47] | ** kormoc wonders why it matters ** | |
[00:36:09] | Dagmar: | Probably, because like dozens of people before him, he's trying to find a way to reduce the latency. |
[00:36:33] | Dagmar: | THe only way to do that is to violate the laws of physics and get a tuner card that can pick up transmissions slightly before they are broadcast. |
[00:37:52] | ccfreak2k: | Yes...if I wanted 0 latency. I live in the real world, though, which means that my realistic limit is closer to 100ms. The logical response to that is "don't get a tuner card; hook directly to your TV/VCR instead". |
[00:38:36] | kormoc: | your realistic limit depends on your source *a lot* |
[00:38:40] | ccfreak2k: | However, since I got it quite low with VIVO and mplayerc in Windows, I figure such a dream isn't impossible. :) |
[00:38:47] | kormoc: | Satalite/digital cable will always be a lot slower then analog |
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[00:42:42] | ccfreak2k: | Still, I should have enough information to do my own research now. |
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[03:23:58] | jafa2: | hi guys, I have a 1400x1050 (4:3) projector that I use for mythtv. Up until a week ago it worked perfectly... 4:3 content was full screen and 16:9 content was leterboxed (desired). The bulb blew so I switched to a 16:9 monitor for a week. Now I am back on the projector... X is set to 1400x1050 and works. MythTV menus are scaled ok. Video playback is messed up thinking it is a 16:9 display. It is horz compressing 16:9 content to filli |
[03:24:47] | jafa2: | btw – mythtv is running in a window |
[03:25:22] | jafa2: | (specifically a 1400x1051 boardless window to work around the ATI video bug) |
[03:25:41] | jafa2: | so it is not a problem with the projector syncing |
[03:26:25] | jafa2: | (I have put other windows on top of mythtv to confirm... full 1400x1050 area is available) |
[03:28:18] | jafa2: | is there a trick to tell mythtv that it is a 4:3 display? |
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[03:29:58] | jafa2: | fixed it |
[03:30:18] | jafa2: | looks like mythtv directly detects the display |
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[03:30:34] | jafa2: | I had the projector and the monitor connected |
[03:31:09] | jafa2: | everything except MythTV was happy |
[03:31:14] | jafa2: | including mythtv menus |
[03:31:32] | jafa2: | unplugging the monitor fixed the problem |
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[07:00:14] | wagnerrp: | Frys has a bunch of $10 blurays if anyone is interested |
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[08:10:51] | Defense|User: | Hi, i some problems with my database |
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[08:11:55] | Defense|User: | i would like to use the mytharchiver but as i can see in the console output there is something wrong: http://rafb.net/p/AhjbQB12.html |
[08:12:06] | Defense|User: | anyone can help me with this? |
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[08:14:06] | tank-man: | did you update to a newer version of mythtv? |
[08:14:38] | Defense|User: | tank-man: yes in the last days, but before that update it also didn't work |
[08:16:44] | tank-man: | Ive seen this error a couple times in this channel but havent seen any user report any fixes |
[08:17:07] | tank-man: | maybe there is a fix or more info on the mailing list |
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[08:17:54] | tank-man: | usually the trunk version is for adventerous people |
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[08:22:20] | tank-man: | Defense|User, looks like something to do with utf8 |
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[08:24:22] | Defense|User: | hm for me its looks like a QT 4.5 bug |
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[08:35:06] | Defense|User: | tank-man: is it somehow possible to upgrade the database-schema by hand? |
[08:35:49] | Defense|User: | i mean if i would get the commands which i have to execute, i could use the mysql commandline to do it |
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[08:44:47] | Defense|User: | no way to get the database changes? |
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[08:48:27] | cesman: | Defense|User: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . string=ALTER DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1;#374934 may help |
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[09:12:30] | Defense|User: | cesman: the funny thing is that my database seems to be ok but if i make a mysql dump it has ENGINE=MyISAM DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8; |
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[09:21:55] | tank-man: | I don't play around with the database, sorry |
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[09:35:59] | Defense|User: | hmm :( my harddisk is full and i cant export the data :-/ |
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[12:51:43] | toma: | when i'm watching live tv and myth wants to record, I get a popup. I really miss the option 'record it on another input' or 'keep watching tv on another input' when the other input is available of course |
[12:51:56] | toma: | is something like that already implemented in latest svn? |
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[13:15:53] | superdump: | is it possible to use the power button on an IR remote to start/quit mythfrontend? |
[13:16:05] | superdump: | i guess i just need to set something in ~/.lircrc |
[13:27:16] | mzb: | toma: iirc there are options to either (re)move the livetv or move the recording (in trunk). Not sure if a popup choice is offered (perhaps I |
[13:27:26] | mzb: | 've got too many tuners ;) |
[13:27:37] | mzb: | (and too many return keys;) |
[13:28:47] | mzb: | superdump: absolutely. Depends how your frontend is started (and window manager, etc). I'm fairly sure there are details of this in the wiki. |
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[13:44:36] | toma: | mzb: okay, then i'll wait for new packages,thanks for the info |
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[14:04:02] | pac1: | Is there an IRC channel that would be better for questions about Schedules Direct? |
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[14:06:58] | pac1: | Schedules on some of my HD channels are coming through offset by a few minutes. They should come out the same as the corresponding analog channel, but they're offset. Anyone else seeing this? |
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[15:17:28] | superdump: | mzb: i just start my frontend by executing mythfrontend |
[15:17:44] | superdump: | that part isn't too difficult |
[15:18:35] | superdump: | i think i could probably write some script that checks if mythfrontend is running and then, if it isn't, start it and if it is, stop it |
[15:18:45] | superdump: | but what's a safe way to exit the frontend? |
[15:18:55] | superdump: | just kill the process? |
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[15:21:18] | thedarkone: | hey all i added a 2nd pvr-250 with radio .. now some reason i can't get it to work |
[15:25:03] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: I noticed that even though I have "User Job #1" set to run as a default it never shows up checked when scheduling a recording in MythWeb. This is not the case if I schedule a recording though the frontend. Is MythWeb working as designed? By the way "Auto-expire recordings" is acting the same way. |
[15:25:30] | kormoc: | ugh. I thought I fixed that... |
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[15:25:53] | RDV_Linux: | My set up was synced up within the last week. |
[15:26:03] | RDV_Linux: | trunk that is |
[15:26:10] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
[15:27:06] | RDV_Linux: | Thanks for the info. |
[15:30:19] | thedarkone: | anyone know if this is a pvr 250? Hauppauge model 61371, B2 |
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[15:53:47] | stoth: | thedarkone: It's not a 250 |
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[15:55:06] | thedarkone: | do you know what model it is? |
[15:55:26] | stoth: | what the 250 is? |
[15:56:08] | thedarkone: | no model 61371 b2 |
[15:56:14] | stoth: | 250 is 48xxx IIRC |
[15:56:37] | thedarkone: | i can't figure out what this is then |
[15:56:45] | thedarkone: | is it a 150? |
[15:57:17] | stoth: | You should consider learning how to google. http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_pci_boards.html |
[16:00:09] | thedarkone: | i gona take it this card no good |
[16:02:33] | stoth: | It doesn't have an encoder if that's what you mean. |
[16:02:46] | stoth: | what are you looking for? |
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[16:03:03] | thedarkone: | well i want to use it for my mythtv for tv |
[16:03:18] | stoth: | analog cable only? |
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[16:03:56] | thedarkone: | well svideo |
[16:04:07] | thedarkone: | for my digital cable box |
[16:04:56] | thedarkone: | so it can't be used like a pvr-250 |
[16:05:01] | stoth: | PCI? |
[16:05:10] | thedarkone: | yes |
[16:05:12] | thedarkone: | pci |
[16:05:29] | stoth: | 150 or 250 is a good choice. Or, the HVR-1600 |
[16:05:42] | thedarkone: | well this one won't work? |
[16:06:00] | stoth: | be more specific with your questions, which one? |
[16:06:35] | thedarkone: | will the model 61371 work with myth? |
[16:07:06] | stoth: | Unlikely. |
[16:07:19] | stoth: | WHy not pick up a 150 on ebay if price is a problem. |
[16:07:32] | thedarkone: | so the guy i bought it from riped me off |
[16:07:43] | thedarkone: | i did i got from ebay |
[16:07:54] | stoth: | I can't say I've ever tried it but it doesn't have a video encoder. |
[16:07:54] | thedarkone: | he said it was a pvr 250 |
[16:08:04] | stoth: | no, you were ripped off. |
[16:08:14] | stoth: | that's a bt878 based board. |
[16:08:29] | stoth: | what did you pay for it? |
[16:09:58] | thedarkone: | 130.00 |
[16:10:03] | stoth: | LOL |
[16:10:08] | thedarkone: | with shipping |
[16:10:15] | meshe: | 140's are less than $40 USD |
[16:10:28] | thedarkone: | i had it shipped overnighted |
[16:10:30] | EvilBob: | Oh I have a couple more if you are paying double what they cost new years ago when I bought them |
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[16:10:34] | stoth: | $40 on ebay get's you a150 |
[16:11:01] | EvilBob: | at $130 I will even throw in overnight shipping |
[16:11:08] | stoth: | Yeah. |
[16:11:12] | thedarkone: | i guess i have to use this a a analog capture card |
[16:11:32] | stoth: | not sure what you're going to capture with it, it doesn't have an encoder. |
[16:11:39] | meshe: | $40 will get you a PVR-150 with remote *new*: http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=36422& . . . promoid=1005 |
[16:11:41] | stoth: | OK for watching tv on. |
[16:12:24] | thedarkone: | well stoth it just for watching live tv |
[16:12:29] | thedarkone: | nothing else |
[16:13:00] | stoth: | You massively overpaid. |
[16:13:16] | thedarkone: | well yeah |
[16:13:34] | thedarkone: | well i got my pvr 250 for 15.00 |
[16:13:44] | stoth: | cool. |
[16:14:23] | thedarkone: | i have digital cable / dishnetwork/ directv |
[16:14:39] | thedarkone: | i want to hook up digital cable into myth |
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[16:16:52] | stoth: | you'll need a digital card for that. |
[16:18:20] | thedarkone: | need a pvr 250 |
[16:19:00] | stoth: | you're technically hooking up analog then, not digital. |
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[16:20:48] | thedarkone: | yes |
[16:21:05] | thedarkone: | well yeah i was gona use the svideo port |
[16:21:14] | thedarkone: | for it |
[16:21:33] | kormoc: | stoth, a digital card is practically worthless for satalite/digital cable, it's all encrypted |
[16:21:44] | thedarkone: | since my digital cable box has 5c |
[16:22:17] | thedarkone: | well my sat box is a 322 |
[16:22:22] | stoth: | kormoc: depends what you want from cable. The clearqam networks is a great option for a lot of people. |
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[16:22:37] | stoth: | HBO is likely to be an issue – obviously. |
[16:22:54] | thedarkone: | yeap |
[16:23:01] | thedarkone: | same with hd channels |
[16:23:11] | thedarkone: | if i use firewire |
[16:23:12] | stoth: | firewire is a good solution, depending on our provider. |
[16:23:22] | stoth: | y' |
[16:23:32] | kormoc: | but then you might as well just do OTA and not pay for the cable if you only want OTA |
[16:23:35] | thedarkone: | yeah well my cable provider uses 5c |
[16:23:49] | stoth: | kormac: assuming you can reach – yes. |
[16:24:24] | thedarkone: | were i am at i get 3 hd channels on ota |
[16:27:37] | thedarkone: | so stoth since this one card does not have a encoder on it should i use it as a analog card |
[16:27:40] | thedarkone: | ? |
[16:28:28] | stoth: | kormoc way know more. Personally I didn't think MythTV could use a non-encoder based card for live or recording. |
[16:28:33] | stoth: | s/way/may/ |
[16:28:53] | stoth: | I've only every used firewire, qam, atsc, dvb-t etc. |
[16:29:02] | stoth: | or regular encoder based cards. |
[16:29:55] | thedarkone: | well atleast i can use fm radio off the card lol |
[16:30:55] | stoth: | You might want to consider kicking back to the guy. If he said it was a 250 in the ebay message logs and it isn't, can't you claim a dispute? |
[16:31:39] | thedarkone: | yeah |
[16:32:00] | thedarkone: | but be a waste of time |
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[17:54:33] | gbee: | thedarkone: why? I've successfully disputed a purchase on ebay (broken DVB-T card) and the seller was forced to refund the entire amount |
[17:54:54] | gbee: | took almost no effort on my part, mostly automated |
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[18:22:24] | oh3nwq: | has somebody reported failure to decode in Finland DVB-T MTV3 channel since yesterday, my 2 systems (gentoo and mythbuntu) started to misbehave on that channel, but not other channels on that same mux |
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[18:25:03] | ** JohnP789 reports an issue with his schedules direct program descriptions. ** | |
[18:25:12] | JohnP789: | http://www.pitney.org/jackhannasdfail.png |
[18:25:26] | JohnP789: | http://www.pitney.org/funnyprogguide.png |
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[18:39:41] | gbee: | JohnP789: have you actually reported it to SD? |
[18:40:10] | ** JohnP789 reported an issue with his schedules direct program descriptions to SD. ** | |
[18:40:21] | gbee: | ;) |
[18:40:25] | JohnP789: | Some of the ironies are hilarious. |
[18:40:39] | JohnP789: | Like the Jack Hanna listing. |
[18:41:34] | JohnP789: | My frontend box has been crashing. :-( I think it's an fglrx issue. |
[18:42:17] | JohnP789: | I've been wanting to move to a VDPAU-enable setup. |
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[20:27:56] | dan__t: | Ok, cool... got Cable and DirecTV installed yesterday. |
[20:28:01] | dan__t: | Things are looking good heh. |
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[21:02:16] | jared3227: | hi wondering if anyone could help with my new install |
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[21:09:55] | Supaplex: | I sure any "one" person might. but all the smart people lack motivation to beat it out of you. google "how to ask smart questions" to learn a few pointers. (you're not getting to the heart of the matter, if you have tried, and have a problem. otherwise you'd ask where's the install notes) |
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[21:13:33] | jared3227: | well since this is a chat i thought i might go about this in a more conversational way |
[21:13:42] | jared3227: | but if you want to get to the hear tof it |
[21:14:55] | jared3227: | i installed mythtv, ran mythbackend and it came up, now when i run myth backend in terminal it says no UPnP backend found |
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[21:27:50] | innoman: | Hi, can anyone offer me any guidance with setting up HDHomeRun with Mythbuntu over wired while using wireless for everything else... I had it working before but I can't see to figure out what I did. |
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[21:29:04] | hajmola: | when I run mythtv it changes my screen res to something really low and I can't see enough to change the settings.... when I exit back to the desktop I can change the resolution, but as soon as I start mythtv back up it reverts |
[21:29:24] | hajmola: | any way to change resolution settings for mythtv through command line or something? |
[21:30:21] | at0m: | hajmola, running "mythfrontend -r" resets these settings, afaik |
[21:30:35] | at0m: | see mythfrontend --help |
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[21:30:47] | hajmola: | will it revert my tv settings and stuff? |
[21:31:14] | at0m: | nothing of the backend settings (schedules, recordings,..) |
[21:31:37] | hajmola: | great, i just don't want to configure the remote again and all that jazz |
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[21:34:13] | hajmola: | at0m, thanks man |
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[21:48:08] | jared3227: | hi need some help i try and run mythbackend and get "No UPnP backends found" |
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[21:54:14] | Majost: | I suscessfull compiled the win32 port of 0-21-fixes today to run as a frontend — but when I start mythfrontend on my windows box it errors with ERROR: ***Pulse Audio is running!!!!*** ERROR: But MythTV has not been compiled with Pulse Audio disabling support. EXITING! |
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[21:55:31] | Majost: | As far as I know — I didn't build pulseaudio in my mingw environment... so I can only assume this is somehow being picked up from the backend — which does (or did until I ripped it out) ghave PA installed |
[21:56:03] | Majost: | So the question I have is — how do I tell mythfronted to ignore the error and keep going? |
[21:56:19] | Majost: | Mind you — this is 0-21-fixes, not trunk. |
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[21:57:53] | Majost: | hrm.. just found this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . eaded#380048 |
[21:58:39] | jared3227: | i have just removed and added myth and still no luck try and open either front or backend and i get the mythfrontend.real with a no UPNP found any help anyone? |
[22:00:42] | Majost: | jared3227: try running it with --noupnp |
[22:02:48] | jared3227: | so "/usr/bin/mythtvfrontend --noupnp" ?? |
[22:03:27] | Majost: | yeah — on ubuntu you may need the .real version |
[22:03:43] | Majost: | but the wrapper should pass the argument |
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[22:08:26] | jared3227: | doesnt seem to work |
[22:08:37] | jared3227: | i am doing it with the backend |
[22:08:53] | jared3227: | and the --noupnp is an option but i get the same thing |
[22:10:13] | jared3227: | same on the frontend |
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[22:10:27] | jared3227: | still get the no upnp message |
[22:10:37] | Majost: | hrm |
[22:11:14] | Majost: | do you have a ~/.mythtv/config.xml file? |
[22:11:16] | dan__t: | Has UPNP ever, uh... well, worked? Period? |
[22:11:27] | Majost: | Dunno. heh |
[22:11:37] | jared3227: | what is upnp? |
[22:11:45] | Majost: | I avoid UPNP personally. |
[22:12:03] | dan__t: | Think of how retarded NAT is, then multiply it by infinity. |
[22:12:05] | jared3227: | yes i do have a config.xml |
[22:12:31] | Majost: | jared3227: It's supposed to broadcast what ports are suppose to be open to consumer routers and firewalls |
[22:12:54] | jared3227: | the database exist i can see it with mysql administrator |
[22:13:20] | innoman: | If uPnP would work, it would be great but every router vendor has issues with it. |
[22:13:26] | innoman: | It's rediculous! |
[22:13:34] | jared3227: | oh this is on the local machine |
[22:13:45] | jared3227: | shouldnt need to go over the network |
[22:14:09] | jared3227: | maybe this has to do with something i changed in the backend before |
[22:14:18] | jared3227: | when it still actualy came up |
[22:16:02] | jared3227: | i think i changed the ip address that the backend was looking for thinking it needed to be something else |
[22:16:18] | jared3227: | and thats when it stopped working |
[22:17:02] | jared3227: | any way to go back in and change it back without being able to run the backend? |
[22:17:10] | Majost: | ah... yeah, check your mythtv-setup |
[22:17:18] | Majost: | and make sure you are pointing to the right IP |
[22:18:01] | Majost: | if you are allowing other hosts to connect, you cant use the localhost block |
[22:18:12] | jared3227: | well i just ran mythtv-setup |
[22:18:34] | jared3227: | and it first comes up with a no upnp backend message |
[22:19:11] | jared3227: | next screen has hostname, database, name user, password, and port |
[22:19:21] | jared3227: | no ip address spot |
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[22:21:38] | Majost: | hostname is also IP |
[22:21:54] | jared3227: | oh so it shouldnt just be localhost? |
[22:22:22] | Majost: | yes, unless you have other frontends/backends |
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[22:25:47] | jared3227: | changed it from localhost to the ip address |
[22:26:15] | jared3227: | i click on mythtv-front end and get the same screen as mythtv-setup |
[22:26:28] | jared3227: | with a no upnp message |
[22:27:49] | jared3227: | what if i delete the database and remove myth then add it again |
[22:27:57] | jared3227: | will that get me back to the original? |
[22:31:54] | jared3227: | ?? |
[22:32:52] | Majost: | if you've got nothing to loose, then yes |
[22:33:08] | Majost: | also might want to remove the .mythtv directorys from ~ and /root |
[22:33:27] | jared3227: | so how would i get rid of the database? |
[22:34:00] | jared3227: | drop schema? |
[22:34:03] | Majost: | mysql -u root -p |
[22:34:46] | Majost: | drop database mythconverg; |
[22:40:13] | jared3227: | so im pretty new to linux and it I need root privalages to delete the mythtv directory |
[22:40:21] | jared3227: | anyway to do that through the gui? |
[22:41:18] | dan__t: | So, I had cable Internet installed the other day at the new place. I had the cable guy show me the type of set top box they use. It had firewire on it, but he said that the ports are disabled. I can't ask for it to be enabled or anything like that, can I? It looks like Firewire is the preferred method for interacting with a set top box of that type, be it cable or satellite TV. |
[22:41:19] | Majost: | only /root/.mythtv |
[22:42:11] | cesman: | dan__t: the FCC says you can |
[22:42:14] | Majost: | you can just do 'sudo rm -rf /root/.mythtv ~/.mythtv' — just make sure you type it the same way because -f wont ask if you want to delete — it just does it |
[22:42:33] | dan__t: | Yeah I read that. However I also understand that its full of red tape, in the providers' favor. |
[22:42:55] | dan__t: | I understand they exist, but is it very common to be able to actually use a digital cable card or anything like that in the 'states? |
[22:43:01] | dan__t: | Maybe circumventing that box altogether? I don't know. |
[22:43:38] | jared3227: | alright thank you very much Majost! |
[22:43:58] | dan__t: | I'm reading a lot of forum posts saying that they had this at one point, then it was disabled, then re-enabled (re-enabling happening like three years ago according to this post), but the dude said that they were not enabled. I'm just trying to get a good idea of what I'm up against. |
[22:44:01] | Majost: | no.. the CAMs for the cablecards are pretty closely kept under NDA by cable labs |
[22:44:06] | dan__t: | understood. |
[22:44:10] | dan__t: | Kinda what I figured. |
[22:44:16] | dan__t: | (CAMs?) |
[22:44:24] | Majost: | the only legal way to do it is via activating the firewire port on the STB |
[22:44:32] | Majost: | Conditional Access Module |
[22:45:08] | dan__t: | Cool, thanks. |
[22:45:33] | dan__t: | For what other purposes would someone want access to Firewire from those receiver boxes, other than to hook up a PVR/DVR? |
[22:45:39] | dan__t: | Don't they "catch on" or something like that? |
[22:45:51] | dan__t: | Not that I care, all they're going to say is "no", but I'd like to be more convincing I guess? haha |
[22:46:21] | Majost: | you can push for it.. I haven't heard of anyone getting denied before personally |
[22:46:40] | dan__t: | Oh, ok. |
[22:46:41] | Majost: | the exception it satellite providers, as they have their own set of rules |
[22:46:46] | dan__t: | See, I see posts such as this one: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/5080- . . . ivation.html |
[22:46:50] | dan__t: | Gives me hope I suppose. |
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[22:47:54] | dan__t: | I'm wishing to avoid analog *anything* as best I can, just to mitigate problems, I guess that makes sense |
[22:48:52] | dan__t: | What I haven't been able to find, however, is what people actually CAN do with that. I've read bits and pieces saying it does/does not carry audio, does/does not carry data required for changing channels, does/does not for using the menu that the provider provides, etc etc. Nothing solid, you know? |
[22:49:35] | Majost: | Yeah.. Unfortunately, your guess is as good as mine on that one |
[22:50:04] | Majost: | I know the contrib folder in the mythtv source has a bunch of channel changer scripts to use with various boxes |
[22:50:25] | Majost: | I think some of them work over the wire, while others may use an irblaster |
[22:50:40] | Majost: | at least for controlling the STB anyway |
[22:51:03] | Majost: | I wouldn't be too supprised to find the audio is excluded from the video stream via firewire though |
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[22:51:25] | Majost: | I probably just depends entirely on the provider and the STB you have |
[22:51:40] | Majost: | s/I/It/ |
[22:51:45] | dan__t: | Sure. |
[22:51:53] | dan__t: | Those STBs are going to live a live in the basement though |
[22:52:05] | Majost: | hehe |
[22:52:37] | dan__t: | I'm testing out little bits at a time, in the end they'll all come together heh |
[22:53:33] | Majost: | I've heard some rublings of people in the windows world getting the cablecards working with generic PCs recently... but from what I read it required a specific model mobo and some other weirdness to get it working with the beta of windows 7. |
[22:54:44] | Majost: | If we're lucky — someone with too much time will figure out how to make the cards work in linux with mythtv... but its probably a long way off at best. |
[22:55:48] | dan__t: | Eh I don't care in all reality. I just want to know the "best" way to do it with available options. It seems that Firewire will be great, if not irblaster and some input, plus just using some audio input cards |
[22:57:15] | dan__t: | Assuming Firewire won't carry audio |
[22:57:22] | Majost: | *nod* |
[22:58:23] | GreyFoxx: | Firewire does carry audio. |
[22:58:50] | GreyFoxx: | You ge everything over the one wire |
[22:59:13] | Majost: | GreyFoxx: Regaurdless of STB or cable provider/ |
[22:59:14] | Majost: | ? |
[22:59:24] | GreyFoxx: | Yes |
[22:59:31] | Majost: | huh. cool |
[22:59:33] | dan__t: | Bad-ass. |
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[22:59:37] | GreyFoxx: | the only question is if the company enables firewire or not :) |
[22:59:45] | Majost: | hehe |
[22:59:47] | dan__t: | So from what I read, from there, its just a matter of mythtv using that input |
[23:00:06] | dan__t: | Is it terribly uncommon for them to not enable it, GreyFoxx? |
[23:00:18] | GreyFoxx: | In the US it's a crap shoot |
[23:00:25] | dan__t: | Yea that's what I'm seeing. |
[23:00:25] | GreyFoxx: | legally they have ofor some channels |
[23:00:36] | GreyFoxx: | but even then sometimes it's a battle |
[23:00:36] | dan__t: | Yeah. |
[23:00:41] | GreyFoxx: | I love my cableco |
[23:00:50] | GreyFoxx: | they enable it for everychannel I subscribe too |
[23:01:03] | dan__t: | Suppose I'm better off just using HDMI or DVI output from my cableco box in to the backend itself? |
[23:01:10] | Majost: | Sounds like your cableco isn't timewarner. heh |
[23:01:17] | GreyFoxx: | dan__t: There is no way to record those |
[23:01:24] | GreyFoxx: | Majost: Nor am I in the US :) |
[23:01:29] | Majost: | hah |
[23:01:46] | dan__t: | Why not? |
[23:02:00] | Majost: | dan__t: They use HDCP |
[23:02:13] | GreyFoxx: | dan__t: Many people who have HD stb's that can't use firewire get hdpvr's and record the hd component out |
[23:02:25] | dan__t: | Ah hah. |
[23:02:35] | GreyFoxx: | the output looks awesome |
[23:02:40] | dan__t: | So what's a legitimate reason for asking for the Firewire port to be activated? |
[23:02:49] | dan__t: | I mean they know what you're going to do with it anyway right |
[23:02:51] | GreyFoxx: | Becauseyou want to use it to record from |
[23:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | you don't need to lie or justify it |
[23:03:14] | GreyFoxx: | and for any local channels they are legal bound in the us to enable it |
[23:03:26] | GreyFoxx: | like local hdtv fox and so on |
[23:04:20] | dan__t: | Got it. So even if they enable firewire like that they're still probably going to filter it on a channel-by-channel basis |
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[23:06:26] | Majost: | GreyFoxx: Do you if the person who maintains the win32 port pops in here from time to time? |
[23:08:01] | Majost: | It looks like the recent backport of the pulseaudio stuff to the 0-21-fixes branch is breaking the win32 versions... I am rebuilding an older version for a regression test now... |
[23:10:08] | Majost: | (20240) |
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[23:11:11] | dan__t: | pulseaudio makes me ill. |
[23:11:24] | dan__t: | Every time I try to "fix" it I feel like I'm getting AIDS. |
[23:11:33] | Majost: | haha |
[23:11:37] | dan__t: | brb calling the cable company. |
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[23:23:28] | gbee: | Majost: don't know that I've ever seen anyone who maintains the win32 port in IRC, posting to the -dev list would be the best approach |
[23:24:49] | gbee: | danielk sometimes commits Windows port patches, but he hasn't written any that I'm aware of and I'm not sure if he'd call himself the maintainer – he can be found in #mythtv |
[23:25:02] | dan__t: | Been on hold with them for like 10 mins. |
[23:25:36] | gbee: | dan__t: stick with it, just another 45 to go |
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[23:25:57] | dan__t: | For sure. |
[23:27:26] | dan__t: | Yea they flat-out said no. |
[23:31:13] | Majost: | Speak with a supervisor |
[23:31:38] | elmojo: | lkmk,,l,l |
[23:31:41] | Majost: | just dont use the word 'linux' |
[23:31:42] | dan__t: | Eh whatever I'm not going to be one of those "well I read it on the Internet" guys. |
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[23:36:19] | Majost: | http://www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/part76.pdf |
[23:36:28] | dan__t: | So assuming I don't have any cable cards that will work, I don't have firewire – what are my best options for input for both audio and video? |
[23:36:30] | dan__t: | Yea I was reading that. |
[23:36:42] | gbee: | HD-PVR |
[23:36:44] | dan__t: | But like I said, it's covered in red tape in the cable co's favor |
[23:36:48] | gbee: | capture in other words |
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[23:37:00] | dan__t: | Yep. |
[23:37:20] | Majost: | (i) Effective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer, replace any leased high definition |
[23:37:35] | Majost: | set-top box, which does not include a functional IEEE 1394 interface, with one that |
[23:37:39] | gbee: | assuming the cable box has component output, PVR-150 if not but then you are limited to SD capture |
[23:37:45] | Majost: | includes a functional IEEE 1394 interface or upgrade the customer's set-top box by |
[23:37:56] | Majost: | download or other means to ensure that the IEEE 1394 interface is functional |
[23:38:09] | Majost: | page 145 |
[23:38:50] | Majost: | Thats pretty clear to me. heh |
[23:39:23] | clever: | ahh:(, doesnt cover SD->HD switches:( |
[23:39:45] | dan__t: | Cool, so this might be the chance for me to be a complete asshole and actually get my way. |
[23:39:48] | dan__t: | I like that. |
[23:40:07] | Majost: | what is a sd->hd switch? |
[23:40:20] | clever: | Majost: i currently have 2 SD boxes with no firewire |
[23:40:37] | clever: | and acording to the paste you just did, you can only force them with replacing an hd box with an hd+firewire |
[23:40:37] | Majost: | Then ask for an HD box and you will have firewire |
[23:40:38] | Majost: | heh |
[23:40:49] | clever: | Majost: the hd box costs 10–20$ more per month |
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[23:42:03] | dan__t: | I have a few Hauppauge 150s in storage... |
[23:42:17] | Majost: | yeah... thats where cable companies get lame. If they do analog though, you should be able to use a hauppauge though.. a lot of the SD channels aren't really digital a lot of the time anyway |
[23:42:35] | dan__t: | I just want this to *work* seamlessly heh |
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[23:43:10] | clever: | Majost: i allready have a 150 and the sd box |
[23:43:20] | clever: | and my ir blaster drops digits on a daily basis |
[23:43:25] | clever: | i keep getting the tv guide channel for an hour |
[23:43:32] | dan__t: | haha |
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[23:44:15] | clever: | ive setup a webcam on the cable box to read the current channel |
[23:44:21] | clever: | and then beep when its on the wrong one |
[23:44:29] | dan__t: | That's hardcore. |
[23:44:33] | dan__t: | Why doesn't it work so well? |
[23:44:35] | clever: | next stage is to blast it again so it fixes itself |
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[23:44:50] | clever: | sometimes its too slow, it goes to channel 4, then 5 |
[23:45:01] | clever: | other times a digit completely fails and it winds up on 4 |
[23:45:02] | dan__t: | Ah. |
[23:45:18] | dan__t: | Do you have some ridiculous range between the transceiver and the box or what |
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[23:45:27] | clever: | <3 inches |
[23:45:32] | dan__t: | Wow. |
[23:45:38] | dan__t: | I was even thinking some duct tape – tape it right to the box. |
[23:45:56] | clever: | i gutted out a old serial mouse and mounted it inside |
[23:46:01] | clever: | and used the existing cord |
[23:46:04] | dan__t: | wtf? |
[23:46:13] | dan__t: | Ohh got it. |
[23:46:21] | dan__t: | serial hardware blaster? |
[23:46:24] | clever: | yep |
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[23:46:40] | clever: | the pvr150 blaster has never worked, and the receiver hasnt worked since 2 dist-upgrades ago |
[23:46:44] | dan__t: | What, USB transceiver was too fancy? |
[23:46:53] | clever: | too expensive:P |
[23:46:57] | dan__t: | haha ok. |
[23:47:22] | clever: | and it doesnt need a receiver on there anymore, its sealed in a closet |
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[23:53:16] | dan__t: | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20160911-AZ- . . . wire-support |
[23:53:22] | dan__t: | I guess that's promising. |
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