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| [00:40:01] | superdump: | hmm |
| [00:40:21] | superdump: | "Please reproduce with a debug build as per TicketHowTo." |
| [00:40:26] | superdump: | maybe i'm missing something |
| [00:40:53] | iamlindoro: | It's in the manual, but more or less, add --compile-type=debug to your configure options |
| [00:41:16] | iamlindoro: | the make, make install, and reproduce the bug again, you'll get a BT with all the Myth debugging symbols |
| [00:41:50] | superdump: | ah |
| [00:42:19] | superdump: | i missed that in the configure --help output |
| [00:42:33] | superdump: | i was looking for --enable-debug or something |
| [00:42:44] | superdump: | should have used grep rather than eyesgrep |
| [00:43:19] | superdump: | thanks |
| [00:44:44] | iamlindoro: | no problem |
| [00:45:17] | superdump: | it doesn't actually say how to do that on the ticket creation page though |
| [00:45:19] | superdump: | maybe it should |
| [00:45:41] | superdump: | ah |
| [00:45:55] | superdump: | it's stated after following the backtrace link |
| [00:48:37] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [00:48:46] | iamlindoro: | sorry, popping back and forth to the keyboard :) |
| [00:48:56] | iamlindoro: | it's also in the troubleshooting section of the manual itself |
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| [00:54:44] | ** cesman wonders how 293 photos constitutes a "flood".... ** | |
| [01:00:04] | iamlindoro: | superdump, I think you'll want to do "thread apply all bt full" as per here:http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [01:00:15] | iamlindoro: | (just trying to save you another infoneeded) |
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| [01:10:40] | superdump: | hmm |
| [01:10:40] | superdump: | ok |
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| [01:14:47] | superdump: | iamlindoro: better? |
| [01:15:13] | iamlindoro: | Indeed :) |
| [01:15:47] | superdump: | good |
| [01:16:22] | superdump: | i shouldn't have set the milestone too |
| [01:16:32] | superdump: | oh well |
| [01:16:46] | iamlindoro: | Not a big deal |
| [01:17:59] | iamlindoro: | Many more heinous ticket mistakes made around here every day |
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| [01:40:54] | iamlindoro: | superdump, Where does Michael N live? Wondering if some of his behaviors are cultural, or if it's just him |
| [01:50:44] | superdump: | austria i think |
| [01:51:03] | superdump: | what behaviours? |
| [01:51:23] | wagnerrp: | michael night? |
| [01:51:53] | superdump: | niedermayer |
| [01:52:11] | superdump: | ffmpeg project leader |
| [01:52:20] | wagnerrp: | i thought he was killed by his own troops in vietnam |
| [01:53:16] | iamlindoro: | superdump, Just the sometimes condescending tone, and extreme stubbornness |
| [01:53:50] | iamlindoro: | On the plus side, Gwenole Beauschane has maanged not to kill himself thus far |
| [01:54:00] | superdump: | hehe |
| [01:54:23] | superdump: | extreme stubbornness is sometimes useful |
| [01:54:33] | superdump: | and he can be talked round with good arguments |
| [01:54:48] | superdump: | condescending tone... hmm |
| [01:54:54] | iamlindoro: | I noticed __gb__ has taken a few weeks off |
| [01:55:08] | iamlindoro: | what with the HWAccel stuff having become a full time job of patch submission ;) |
| [01:55:31] | superdump: | i've been there :) |
| [01:55:40] | iamlindoro: | (PATCH) h.264 hardware acceleration, take eleventybillion |
| [01:56:11] | iamlindoro: | oh well, had just been wondering |
| [01:56:57] | iamlindoro: | I realize the whole HWAccel stuff is non-trivial, and definitely fear for astrange's sanity whenever he tries to merge the -mt stuff :) |
| [01:57:54] | superdump: | actually, my contractor is interested in ffmpeg-mt so maybe i'll be working on some of that merge |
| [01:58:07] | superdump: | at least the core and h.264 parts |
| [01:58:13] | iamlindoro: | That'd be cool-- I expect it's still a ways off though, no? |
| [01:58:32] | iamlindoro: | Though I recall him saying he wouldn't get back around to it until school is off, and I don't have a sense of how much more he feels he needs to do |
| [01:58:55] | superdump: | i think there are some bugs to be worked out |
| [01:59:08] | superdump: | and he said he'd be finishing exams sometime in may as i recall |
| [01:59:38] | iamlindoro: | Well, Myth certainly has a lot to gain from it, even if it were only the h.264 parts |
| [01:59:51] | superdump: | yup |
| [02:00:30] | superdump: | time for sleep for me |
| [02:00:34] | iamlindoro: | night |
| [02:00:38] | superdump: | nighty night |
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| [02:04:26] | iamlindoro: | Heh, a method for making 8 bit emulation look adequately crappy on LCDs to remind yuo of how it used to be |
| [02:04:28] | iamlindoro: | you |
| [02:04:39] | iamlindoro: | http://www.digitallounge.gatech.edu/gaming/index.html?id=2824 |
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| [02:10:42] | crawfordcomeaux: | Is there no way to use only one dual tuner STB to record two channels at a time on a pc? |
| [02:11:38] | Dagmar: | Does it have two outputs? |
| [02:11:45] | Dagmar: | Cuz if it doesn't then the answer is obvious |
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| [02:13:27] | crawfordcomeaux: | guess now's the time to find out what my uncle's using :P |
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| [04:29:21] | mib_1dc44u: | hi. i am using ubuntu 8.10 and playing with dvgrab via 1394. panelctl works fine, dvgrab fails saying "no DV". any ideas? |
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| [04:35:41] | ** iamlindoro wonders where the myth part of this equation lies ** | |
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| [04:42:23] | Shadow_M: | where did waldo actually go |
| [04:43:26] | wagnerrp: | walkabout |
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| [05:54:17] | sphex: | hey. not really mythtv-specific.. but I got a moving vertical "line" of distortion on my TV plugged to my video card's S-video out. what am I doing wrong? |
| [05:55:40] | wagnerrp: | signal is too low, or noise is too high |
| [05:56:07] | sphex: | the hell does that mean? |
| [05:56:50] | wagnerrp: | how long of a svideo cable is this? is it shielded? |
| [05:58:14] | sphex: | ah forgot to tell.. actually a RCA cable. using an s-video <-> RCA adapter. |
| [05:58:40] | sphex: | about 2 meters |
| [05:59:09] | wagnerrp: | this is going svideo to rca, and not the other way around, correct? |
| [05:59:18] | sphex: | right |
| [05:59:57] | sphex: | RCA cable's box says "video cable is heavy duty rg-59 type". |
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| [06:14:19] | sphex: | hmm.. I got this in X's log: "(EE) RADEON(0): Unknown EDID version 2" |
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| [07:48:10] | pbj: | Hey guys. Is there a possible way to change the default settings for subtitles in a file instead of through MythTV – caurse it starts with the wrong subtitles from DVB-S (Wrong language) |
| [07:50:19] | pbj: | I mean is there a settings for the default subtitles in SQL – or in a conf file – carse it seems as I cannot get the rigth language in subtitles ( and have set the default settings in mythtv-setup) but it has no effect on LIVETV |
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| [09:25:09] | andreax: | http://pastebin.ca/1409301 isnt drawRoundRect right instead of drawRoundedRect ? |
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| [09:32:57] | gbee: | no, you need QT 4.4 (or 4.5) iirc |
| [09:33:34] | gbee: | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qpainter.html#drawRoundedRect |
| [09:33:54] | gbee: | so 4.4 |
| [09:34:15] | gbee: | 4.4 became the minimum required version about three weeks ago |
| [09:34:30] | andreax: | Oh.... Okay... Thankyou! :) |
| [09:35:06] | gbee: | heh, heh, closer to 7 weeks ago |
| [09:35:16] | andreax: | Didnt get it completly... .) |
| [09:36:14] | gbee: | 4.5 is recommended and is what the current distro releases are shipping with, but 4.4 is the min |
| [09:37:52] | andreax: | So i should update my qt.... Thanks alot... |
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| [09:55:05] | speedsix_: | Hi all |
| [09:56:26] | speedsix_: | Does anyone have any idea of the criteria for a music scan to pick up albums as a compilation album? For example I have 2 albums, both have the compilation_artist tag set with a matching entry in the artist table yet when scanned, one goes in as the comp artist while the other goes to multiple artists?? |
| [09:57:20] | Dagmar: | There's no trick to it |
| [09:57:40] | Dagmar: | Adjust the ID3 tags in the mp3's themselves, because they're _not_ conveying what you want |
| [09:59:56] | speedsix_: | I can't see any difference between album 1 and album 2 in this scenario, both have a 'compilation_artist' tag set although thinking about it, the one that works is ogg, the one that doesn't is mp3 |
| [10:02:00] | speedsix_: | I've tried modifying the tables, which works but seems to get 'lost' on a later scan at some point and I end up with multi artists again |
| [10:02:14] | Dagmar: | Hmm... _that_ sounds like a bug |
| [10:02:40] | Dagmar: | THere's a degree to which mythmusic could kinda stand to be set on fire and something useful built on it's ashes |
| [10:03:16] | Dagmar: | You should look at the values of the tags tho |
| [10:03:27] | speedsix_: | Hah, well, this issue has been driving me nuts for months. |
| [10:03:33] | speedsix_: | will do |
| [10:03:51] | Dagmar: | What _usually_ is going on when people have issues like that is that the regular artist field _doesn't_ say "Various Artists" |
| [10:04:14] | Dagmar: | ...because on a comp album you should basically have two different tags for artist |
| [10:04:41] | Dagmar: | One unfortunately doesn't imply the other |
| [10:06:52] | Dagmar: | Hmm... I *say* this and now I realize I'd just yanked all generic entries like that from mine. |
| [10:07:36] | Dagmar: | Ah... Try and populate ORIGARTIST and ORIGALBUM |
| [10:08:47] | Dagmar: | I know all mine are showing up right, I had to go look at how I'd tagged them to be sure ebcause it'd been awhile |
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| [10:26:10] | speedsix_: | Dagmar: just checking now |
| [10:27:14] | ** stuarta twiddles thumbs ** | |
| [10:28:23] | laga: | i was in an irish pub last night. they had a TV showing ITV4. i feel a lot dumber now |
| [10:29:04] | stuarta: | nothing much of use on that channel |
| [10:29:45] | speedsix_: | The album that gets scanned as a comp just has for example Artist: Joy Division, Album: Donnie Darko Soundtrack, Compilation_Artist: Various_Soundtrack |
| [10:29:46] | laga: | yes |
| [10:29:53] | laga: | they showed "bouncers". awesome :) |
| [10:30:42] | speedsix_: | the album that doesn't go in as a comp is of the same format but with Compilation_Artist: Various_Mix |
| [10:31:20] | speedsix_: | I'm going to try and set them as comp via the frontend track info page and see if it does anything to the tags |
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| [10:52:30] | speedsix_: | Set a track as comp with a unique comp artist name and saved to both 'file and DB' and for this mp3 it has added the tag arranger: Various_Test. I'm guessing only oggs support the custom tag compilation_artist and mp3s need to use arranger! |
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| [11:17:53] | andreax: | Thx again gbee for your tip... Now its working again... |
| [11:24:04] | anykey__: | laga: we get that channel in cable here ;) |
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| [11:35:15] | laga: | anykey__: yuck :) |
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| [12:03:45] | janausss: | how can i reset the default screen location for my mythtv frontend (ie i cant see the screen its shifted off the tv so i cant actually change anything) :( |
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| [12:05:10] | janausss: | is there a configuration file somewhere? |
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| [12:32:38] | mart: | hey guys |
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| [12:33:06] | mart: | can mythtv media stream all over a house using cat5 |
| [12:33:22] | mart: | to LCD and plasmas directly |
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| [12:40:02] | stuarta: | not directly, you need a frontend |
| [12:40:40] | GreyFoxx: | You'd need to define "directly" :) |
| [12:42:46] | mart: | from the myth tv box to the TV |
| [12:42:55] | mart: | using cat5 though |
| [12:43:06] | stuarta: | you have a tv that takes cat5? |
| [12:43:26] | mart: | yea |
| [12:44:01] | GreyFoxx: | one of the newer TV's that can stream internet streams? |
| [12:45:42] | mart: | some thing like this |
| [12:45:43] | mart: | http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/06/samsung- . . . ctivity-inc/ |
| [12:46:15] | GreyFoxx: | Unless that includes a standard upnp player then no |
| [12:46:35] | GreyFoxx: | you would need either upnp to do it over ethernet or a frontend to output to hdmi and such |
| [12:46:38] | mart: | if it can not use ethernet what front end do you use for the TV |
| [12:46:48] | stuarta: | ah, the eternal question |
| [12:47:01] | GreyFoxx: | I use mythfrontend running on a pc connected via hdmi |
| [12:47:10] | mart: | oh right |
| [12:47:13] | GreyFoxx: | and other tv's are myth running on a pc connected vi atvout |
| [12:47:49] | mart: | ok |
| [12:47:51] | mart: | cool |
| [12:47:51] | GreyFoxx: | and 1 is a channel I broadcast in my house with an RF modulator so any TV can tun to 97 and see that frontend |
| [12:48:18] | mart: | good idea |
| [12:48:44] | mart: | do you broadcast from the myth box |
| [12:48:47] | GreyFoxx: | it let me get myth to the upper floors without having to run cable |
| [12:48:58] | mart: | which is a good idea |
| [12:49:01] | GreyFoxx: | mythbox -> rf modulator via svideo -> house coax |
| [12:49:19] | GreyFoxx: | and I use an RF remote to control the FE which lives in the basement |
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| [12:50:10] | mart: | even better |
| [12:51:28] | mart: | how much did the rl module and remote cost you |
| [12:51:48] | mart: | so the remote will chnage the channel on the myth box? |
| [12:52:18] | GreyFoxx: | remote was around $70CDN when I bought it years back, the RF modulator was something like $100US. I bought a nice one that lets me pick any channel from 2–125 . I could have gotten a cheaper one |
| [12:52:50] | GreyFoxx: | mart: yeah the usb reciever is plugged into my backend which also runs a frontend on it. That machines output is sent over the RF modulator |
| [12:53:47] | GreyFoxx: | I need to rewire all of that though. It's a mess of coax/ethernet cables in that corner :) |
| [12:54:13] | mart: | ok |
| [12:55:01] | stuarta: | wifey's don't like cable messes :( |
| [12:56:25] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, thankfully that little area is my playground and noone but the cats ventures in there :) |
| [12:58:44] | GreyFoxx: | 2" You see, I didn't think I'd get that "simple trick" reply at all if I didn't push you a bit. >:-) " |
| [12:59:02] | GreyFoxx: | If I had see his little "push" I wouldn' |
| [12:59:07] | GreyFoxx: | t have answered him |
| [12:59:17] | GreyFoxx: | that kind of attitude drives me nuts |
| [12:59:31] | stuarta: | er? |
| [12:59:37] | GreyFoxx: | From a post on the -users list |
| [12:59:43] | GreyFoxx: | Sorry totally out of context |
| [13:00:02] | stuarta: | was a bit left field :) |
| [13:00:07] | GreyFoxx: | Someone was bitchy because I apparently didn't respond to his email fast enough |
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| [13:09:32] | Dibblah: | No, someone was bitchy because *their* livetv is broken. |
| [13:09:48] | Dibblah: | And the code monkeys aren't fast enough at fixing that up for them. |
| [13:10:12] | Dibblah: | "shout louder – it'll make it all better" :( |
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| [13:14:17] | mart: | is there any small front end pc that are made to be front end for the TV |
| [13:15:20] | Dibblah: | No. I'm not going to fan the flames, even though Mr Lister is asking for it. |
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| [13:25:43] | mart: | like a media stream that you can install mythfrontend on |
| [13:25:50] | mart: | media stream box |
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| [13:27:56] | mart: | that is connected to the mythbox |
| [13:28:53] | Dibblah: | mart: Not exactly. |
| [13:29:14] | Dibblah: | There's the mediamvp, which can do limited Myth streaming – Although it's not a real frontend. |
| [13:29:59] | Dibblah: | Easiest option is a laptop with a broken screen, if you only want SD. |
| [13:30:02] | Dibblah: | (ebay) |
| [13:30:44] | _abbenormal: | hey guys |
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| [14:06:25] | _abbenormal: | in trunk how do you save a recording so you can find it |
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| [14:06:38] | _abbenormal: | i have numbers right now |
| [14:07:31] | _abbenormal: | 5539_20090423073000.mpg this is what i have now |
| [14:08:55] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal, Myth has always named the files in that manner-- what most people do is use the mythrename.pl script |
| [14:09:13] | _abbenormal: | hey iamlindoro |
| [14:09:15] | iamlindoro: | but you want to use it with the --link option, so that it leaves the fiels but creates symlinks with the right names to them |
| [14:09:17] | _abbenormal: | ok looking |
| [14:09:21] | iamlindoro: | so something like: |
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| [14:09:53] | iamlindoro: | perl mythrename.pl --link /path/to/pu/symlinks/ --format %T-%S |
| [14:10:20] | iamlindoro: | which will put symlinks with format "TITLE – SUBTITLE" in /path/to/put/symlinks/ |
| [14:10:29] | iamlindoro: | but leave the original files intact |
| [14:10:44] | iamlindoro: | A lot of people cron that for 5 and 35 after the hour |
| [14:11:44] | _abbenormal: | ok ill try it |
| [14:11:50] | _abbenormal: | thanks |
| [14:12:49] | _abbenormal: | hey mornin to yaalso |
| [14:14:44] | ivor: | ah friday afternoon and the sun is shining. |
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| [14:27:46] | shadash: | Is there ever going to be a .22 release? |
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| [14:31:00] | _abbenormal: | some day but it may not be called that |
| [14:36:03] | iamlindoro: | We'll call it pedro |
| [14:40:48] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [14:45:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | what does "serious error in video output" mean? |
| [14:45:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | some of my hdpvr recordings generate this error on the new mac. |
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| [14:49:35] | mart: | anyone have a network diagram of their network setup |
| [14:49:41] | mart: | for mythtv |
| [14:49:46] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [14:49:54] | kormoc: | and it's different from any other network setup how? |
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| [15:00:47] | jarle: | Any hints on compiling mythtv 0.21-fixes under kubuntu 9.04? it seems to depend on libartsc.so.0, but arts is not available in kubuntu 9.04 |
| [15:02:05] | tmwsiy20121: | ./configure |
| [15:02:05] | tmwsiy20121: | make |
| [15:02:05] | tmwsiy20121: | ... |
| [15:02:05] | tmwsiy20121: | j/k :) |
| [15:02:23] | kormoc: | you might be missing a configure flag, but I do know arts isn't required (I don't use it at all) |
| [15:03:02] | citybird: | woo hoo i got a blue screen!! |
| [15:03:26] | citybird: | it's now acting like it wants to play live tv but just doesn't tune in |
| [15:05:51] | jarle: | kormoc: ./configure says "aRts support no" |
| [15:06:15] | jarle: | /usr/bin/ld: warning: libartsc.so.0, needed by ../../libs/libmythlivemedia/libmythlivemedia-0.21.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) |
| [15:06:21] | citybird: | where is the screen where i can check the channel freq? |
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| [15:07:31] | jarle: | kormoc: maybe I need to look into why libmythlivemedia is looking for libartsc.so.0 |
| [15:13:28] | mart: | anyone have a network diagram of their mythtv setup |
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| [15:19:00] | CyberKnet: | me <--> couch <--> TV <--> MythTV |
| [15:19:02] | CyberKnet: | :P |
| [15:21:46] | iamlindoro: | me->Orange Portal->Blue Portal->Beer |
| [15:22:28] | jarle: | kormoc: a "make distclean" solved my problem (I'll go hide in the corner for a while now :) |
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| [15:24:31] | kormoc: | mart, you never answered me. What are you expecting to gain? |
| [15:25:09] | iamlindoro: | me opens the orange portal over kormoc's head and the blue portal under his feet |
| [15:25:15] | ** kormoc falls forever ** | |
| [15:25:19] | ** iamlindoro gives himself a / ** | |
| [15:25:46] | kormoc: | Too bad it's not a time portal! |
| [15:25:57] | iamlindoro: | I may or may not have played through that again last night |
| [15:26:08] | ** kormoc continues emailing folks looking for SeaGL supporters ** | |
| [15:27:05] | iamlindoro: | I hate those messy birds |
| [15:27:33] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [15:27:46] | kormoc: | It's also The Seattle Gnu/Linux Conference ;) |
| [15:27:48] | wagnerrp: | you hate birds? i park under the power lines |
| [15:28:11] | wagnerrp: | i washed my car last week, and came out the next day to find my passenger door plastered |
| [15:28:21] | meshe: | wagnerrp: your poor paint job |
| [15:28:50] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, stupid flash plugin |
| [15:28:59] | kormoc: | flash portal? |
| [15:29:18] | iamlindoro: | on Mac OS it has this occasional tendency to get safari stuck in this mode where if you open a Flash-containing page it hangs |
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| [15:29:31] | iamlindoro: | Which is bad when you have gmail as your home page |
| [15:29:45] | meshe: | gmail flash? |
| [15:29:59] | kormoc: | the chat server |
| [15:30:02] | iamlindoro: | yep, there are some flash elements |
| [15:30:09] | iamlindoro: | and the background file upload, etc. |
| [15:30:12] | meshe: | huh, didn't realise that |
| [15:30:31] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I didn't know either until I told my coworker I didn't believe him and he proved it to me :) |
| [15:31:23] | wagnerrp: | i havent opened my gmail account in about a year |
| [15:31:35] | ** CyberKnet wonders how much more seriously the Flash team at adobe take security than the PDF team. ** | |
| [15:31:39] | wagnerrp: | i just use it as backup storage for my local mail server |
| [15:31:48] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: "Not at all" would be my bet |
| [15:31:53] | wagnerrp: | good thing my available storage grows faster than my spam |
| [15:31:54] | meshe: | i'm pondering whether or not lirc could be configured to control flash in mythbrowser |
| [15:32:00] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: both teams seem capable of amazing screwups |
| [15:32:24] | i_is_cat: | meshe, lircmd |
| [15:32:46] | i_is_cat: | control anything!@#! muahahaha........ |
| [15:32:47] | wagnerrp: | i quit using Adobe Acrobat when you could resize the window, and it would not move the scroll bars |
| [15:32:52] | ** i_is_cat goes back to bed ** | |
| [15:33:15] | wagnerrp: | in one simple failure, it made acrobat reader completely worthless |
| [15:33:25] | i_is_cat: | xpdf works for me |
| [15:33:28] | CyberKnet: | Aaah, to be back in the times when the web was still in its infancy, and there was no flash, or animated gifs and the worst you had to fear was egrarious blink tag usage. |
| [15:33:34] | meshe: | we've been enjoying watching a web series based in flash, but using vlc to control firefox is somewhat annoying |
| [15:34:05] | iamlindoro: | With geocities dead, perhaps the blink, scrolling statusbar, and animated GIF have finally met their match |
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| [15:34:31] | CyberKnet: | it's entirely possible. |
| [15:34:33] | meshe: | iamlindoro: nope, animated gif is still very alive, we just launched a site using one :) |
| [15:34:52] | CyberKnet: | DId you also add some silverlight for good measure? |
| [15:34:58] | i_is_cat: | :O |
| [15:34:58] | iamlindoro: | http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbsite/ |
| [15:34:59] | ** CyberKnet ducks for cover ** | |
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| [15:35:45] | meshe: | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/unforgotten-realms |
| [15:35:50] | meshe: | ^ that's what we've been watching |
| [15:36:11] | iamlindoro: | I like Zero Punctuation there |
| [15:36:46] | meshe: | haha, yeah :) best game reviews ever! |
| [15:36:49] | wagnerrp: | well even he liked portal |
| [15:37:17] | iamlindoro: | Yay, and I haven't seen this week's |
| [15:37:35] | wagnerrp: | some episodic survival horror game on the PS3 |
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| [15:43:38] | iamlindoro: | I am mildly amused that he still cobbles it together with windows movie maker |
| [15:44:38] | wagnerrp: | i figured he would be doing it in a flash editor |
| [15:45:03] | iamlindoro: | Photoshop for the images, Movie Maker for the movies/voiceover IIRC |
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| [15:47:11] | wagnerrp: | you know... this would actually be the rare occasion where flash would be appropriate |
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| [15:47:29] | wagnerrp: | rather than some random movie played in a horribly slow flash video player |
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| [15:59:27] | waan: | I've just installed mythtv on xubuntu 9.04, mythtv-setup runs fullscreen but only shows a blank dialog box |
| [15:59:57] | wagnerrp: | does mythbuntu default to the opengl painter now? |
| [16:00:22] | meshe: | it doesn't sound like he installed mythbuntu |
| [16:00:25] | waan: | I guess so, it seems like an opengl problem |
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| [16:01:01] | wagnerrp: | i thought installing mythtv on ubuntu got you all the helper apps and automatic setup that mythbuntu did |
| [16:01:05] | waan: | I installed mythtv though |
| [16:01:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | my Juanty problem was pulseaudio... |
| [16:01:35] | JEDIDIAH__: | well if you do something like "apt-get install mythtv.*" it will... |
| [16:01:36] | meshe: | no, you need to install mythbuntu-desktop or something for the helper scripts |
| [16:01:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | oh? |
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| [16:02:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | what helpful helper scripts are in that package? |
| [16:02:18] | ** JEDIDIAH__ wonders what he's been missing... ** | |
| [16:02:23] | meshe: | mythbuntu-control-center, mythbuntu-lirc-generator |
| [16:02:27] | meshe: | those are my favs |
| [16:02:39] | meshe: | i install the latter to config lirc :) |
| [16:03:26] | waan: | any ideas? |
| [16:05:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | it could use some work (mythbuntu-lirc-generator) |
| [16:05:09] | JEDIDIAH__: | cool idea though. |
| [16:06:58] | meshe: | mythfrontend -O painter=Qt |
| [16:07:39] | meshe: | or mythtv-setup -O painter=Qt |
| [16:07:50] | waan: | I'll try setup first |
| [16:08:12] | meshe: | sorry, meant -setup, doing too many things at once here |
| [16:08:51] | iamlindoro: | ThemePainter |
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| [16:08:57] | iamlindoro: | and qt |
| [16:09:03] | iamlindoro: | case sensitive, both |
| [16:09:06] | meshe: | there you go, what iamlindoro said |
| [16:10:41] | waan: | meshe: It just quits without doing anything if I use the Qt option |
| [16:10:55] | waan: | no error |
| [16:11:02] | wagnerrp: | do a '-v all' |
| [16:11:03] | ** meshe points up ** | |
| [16:11:15] | waan: | rgr |
| [16:11:22] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [16:11:25] | cesman: | isn't mythtv-setup on ubuntu myhtv-setup.real? |
| [16:11:29] | iamlindoro: | with exactly that capitalization |
| [16:11:47] | iamlindoro: | cesman: It is on mythbuntu, not sure about the non-mythbuntu-ized packages |
| [16:12:02] | iamlindoro: | but worth a shot if that still does nothing |
| [16:12:13] | iamlindoro: | ie mythtv-setup.real -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [16:12:23] | ** iamlindoro runs off to the lab ** | |
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| [16:13:11] | waan: | I get the same thing, a dialog box which has no text. If I press a few buttons I can select different lines but I have no idea what is on them |
| [16:13:23] | meshe: | missing fonts? |
| [16:13:50] | meshe: | try mythtv-setup -v all |
| [16:14:15] | waan: | I noticed when installing that it only downloaded 144mb instead of the 250mb it qoted at the start of install. |
| [16:14:26] | waan: | this could be the problem |
| [16:15:12] | waan: | meshe: same |
| [16:15:28] | wagnerrp: | v makes it verbose |
| [16:15:29] | waan: | I'll try removing and re-installing it |
| [16:15:29] | meshe: | :) but now you should be able to see errors in the terminal |
| [16:15:46] | wagnerrp: | see what its complaining about |
| [16:17:27] | waan: | It just scrolls with X error but I saw some text above that which said, no theme directory |
| [16:17:54] | waan: | should I try re-installing it first? |
| [16:18:08] | meshe: | mythtv-setup -v all > mythtv-setup.log |
| [16:18:15] | waan: | ahh good point |
| [16:18:16] | meshe: | and pastebin the file at pastebin.ca |
| [16:20:19] | iamlindoro: | msttcorefonts should be all the fonts you need |
| [16:21:22] | meshe: | side note, you won't need to reinstall myth, you are just missing something |
| [16:22:05] | waan: | it doensn't output anything that is in the mythtv console, just that it is restarting mythtvbackend |
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| [16:22:36] | waan: | there is a seperate console that pops up with all the info in it |
| [16:23:24] | meshe: | is there anything in the file mythtv-setup.log? |
| [16:23:40] | waan: | just the standard, stopping starting backend |
| [16:24:26] | meshe: | mythtv-setup.real -v all > mythtv-setup.log |
| [16:24:50] | meshe: | that's definately the work of the mythbuntu wrapper |
| [16:25:22] | waan: | yeah it was impossible to read what was in the tiny terminal it made |
| [16:27:11] | waan: | http://pastebin.ca/1409533 |
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| [16:35:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | any thoughts on vdpau with meagre video RAM (namely 256m)? |
| [16:37:04] | meshe: | you are missing fonts, try sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| [16:37:49] | waan: | agg yeah I see it, specified base font missing |
| [16:38:04] | waan: | thats weird |
| [16:39:09] | meshe: | back in a few |
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| [16:45:57] | gbee: | JEDIDIAH__: possible, but you probably won't be able to manage any fancy deinterlacing |
| [16:46:43] | gbee: | if it's integrated/shared memory, then increase it to the max, usually 512Mb |
| [16:47:56] | meshe: | did that help waan ? |
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| [16:51:15] | waan: | meshe: the fonts are currently downloading, but we will find out shortly. |
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| [16:51:32] | w0ls0n: | hello all |
| [16:51:36] | w0ls0n: | looking at building a box low profile ... just wondering what cards you would recommend for low profile systems |
| [16:51:47] | w0ls0n: | looking at building knoppmyth |
| [16:52:21] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Are you happen with the current state of drivers/myth support for your HDPVR(s) ? |
| [16:52:29] | GreyFoxx: | A coworker is considering getting 1 or 2 |
| [16:52:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | any idea how to do that gbee? |
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| [16:54:02] | waan: | meshe: No cigar, it's still the same |
| [16:55:08] | w0ls0n: | hum |
| [16:55:24] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Yes, I am-- have heard weird stories of people having issues with them randomly stopping capture, etc., but I haven't seen such a problem in a looooonnnng time, so I'm not sure why those folks are seeing that |
| [16:55:51] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Not sure whether to say PEBKAC, or differences in hardware revisions, but mine is the earliest revision |
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| [16:56:04] | iamlindoro: | (serial number < 2000) |
| [16:56:09] | meshe: | try installing ttf-liberation |
| [16:56:23] | waan: | meshe: this is pretty much what I get, but mine is black with an outline of a dialogue box http://tinyurl.com/ce5foy |
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| [16:57:26] | meshe: | are there buttons? |
| [16:57:50] | waan: | no buttons just an box border |
| [16:58:21] | meshe: | very bizarre, it's using the qt painter according to the logs |
| [16:58:42] | meshe: | is this box going to be used solely for mythtv? |
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| [17:00:25] | waan: | That would be it's main purpose, it's a home media server plugged into the tv |
| [17:00:41] | meshe: | sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop |
| [17:00:50] | meshe: | should grab all the necessary dependencies |
| [17:01:28] | waan: | Ok, I might just remove/install mythtv again incase something broke during the install. If that doesn't work i'll try mythbuntu-desktop |
| [17:01:47] | gbee: | JEDIDIAH__: through the bios |
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| [17:07:47] | iamlindoro: | Lord, is Udo advocating the overthrow of our president? |
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| [17:08:01] | iamlindoro: | (and yes, I know that's not everyone's our) |
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| [17:09:07] | iamlindoro: | "Lobby even more than the **AA's do. And get rid of Obama, he is not anti-**AA. And keep cracking all new drm-schemes." |
| [17:09:27] | iamlindoro: | What a fantastic litmus for "getting rid of" a leader, whether they will let you circumvent DRM |
| [17:09:32] | waan: | meshe: Thanks for your help i'll try out some things out |
| [17:09:36] | meshe: | who's Udo? |
| [17:09:51] | iamlindoro: | meshe: A particularly stubborn fellow from the users list |
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| [17:10:01] | meshe: | ahhh, heh |
| [17:10:27] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Don't know if you were around either of the times he has turned up insisting the Mythbackend has a memory leak, but refused to provide the requested diagnostic info |
| [17:10:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...actually, according to the list archives GPU memory shouldn't be my problem... |
| [17:10:46] | meshe: | no, i wasn't around for that |
| [17:10:51] | Shadow__X: | why cant someone make claims and not provide evidence |
| [17:10:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | I only have problems on certain recordings. |
| [17:11:10] | Shadow__X: | what is this world coming to |
| [17:11:52] | meshe: | mythtv killed my dog!!!! |
| [17:12:07] | meshe: | try to prove me wrong!!!! |
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| [17:21:32] | meshe: | well said iamlindoro |
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| [17:27:16] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Thanks :) |
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| [17:31:53] | jams: | it's said when it's possible to read an email and know who wrote it based off the tone/contents |
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| [17:33:54] | squidly: | ahh |
| [17:34:53] | w0ls0n: | no idea eh? |
| [17:35:10] | squidly: | ?? |
| [17:35:20] | squidly: | oh ahh was in the wrong chan.. sorry :( |
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| [17:36:07] | w0ls0n: | looking at building knoppmyth |
| [17:36:11] | w0ls0n: | looking at building a box low profile ... just wondering what cards you would recommend for low profile systems |
| [17:36:31] | squidly: | w0ls0n: I uses a server client based system |
| [17:36:32] | wagnerrp: | w0ls0n: ideally, you would have NO cards |
| [17:36:48] | wagnerrp: | everything would be integrated into the motherboard |
| [17:36:54] | w0ls0n: | no tv tuner cards? |
| [17:36:59] | wagnerrp: | no tuner cards |
| [17:37:13] | w0ls0n: | how? |
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| [17:37:25] | wagnerrp: | because the tuner cards go in a box in the basement |
| [17:37:37] | squidly: | with 4 or 5 TB drives |
| [17:37:37] | meshe: | hdhr, hd-pvr, usb tuner cards |
| [17:38:10] | wagnerrp: | if you really want a low profile system with tuner cards |
| [17:38:11] | w0ls0n: | thats the box I am building .. the one with a tuner in it |
| [17:38:30] | wagnerrp: | there are a handful of low profile cards, but you best bet would be a half-height case with a riser card |
| [17:38:35] | w0ls0n: | i am just testing out a setup |
| [17:39:08] | w0ls0n: | already have system ordered, just wanted input on tuner card low profile |
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| [17:39:33] | meshe: | depends on what you're tuning |
| [17:39:42] | w0ls0n: | sorry i should have been a bit more specific. I apologize. |
| [17:39:50] | w0ls0n: | cable with no box |
| [17:40:19] | w0ls0n: | no hd |
| [17:41:11] | meshe: | digital or analog? |
| [17:41:41] | w0ls0n: | analog |
| [17:41:57] | wagnerrp: | you can get low profile PVR-150s |
| [17:42:11] | w0ls0n: | yea they're abou ~60 |
| [17:42:22] | w0ls0n: | someone else told me that as well |
| [17:42:41] | wagnerrp: | and... thats really your only choice for an internal card |
| [17:42:52] | meshe: | for analog i would recommend the PVR-x50s, they are pretty plug-n-play |
| [17:42:59] | w0ls0n: | ok |
| [17:43:03] | wagnerrp: | the rest of the (hauppauge) IVTV cards are full height |
| [17:43:05] | w0ls0n: | thats what I'll get |
| [17:43:16] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to find a low profile card from another brand |
| [17:43:26] | w0ls0n: | theres a PVR-150 on ebay for $19 plus $10 for shipping but it has a broken capacitor |
| [17:43:38] | w0ls0n: | I'll just buy a PVR-150 like my friend suggested |
| [17:43:40] | stoth: | but it, send it to haup for repair. |
| [17:43:43] | stoth: | buy |
| [17:43:48] | w0ls0n: | yea? |
| [17:43:50] | squidly: | they are not to bad to replace |
| [17:44:22] | wagnerrp: | doesnt seem like the 1600 comes in low profile |
| [17:44:28] | wagnerrp: | and the 2250 doesnt support analog yet |
| [17:44:30] | meshe: | linuxtv.org for hardware that's compatible with linux |
| [17:44:49] | ** GreyFoxx starts to wonder when his SD account expires ** | |
| [17:44:54] | squidly: | wagnerrp: what would be a good card for hd |
| [17:45:06] | squidly: | I have just sandardcable.. |
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| [17:45:21] | wagnerrp: | standard cable != HD |
| [17:46:06] | meshe: | they'll email you quite a bit in advance GreyFoxx |
| [17:46:38] | GreyFoxx: | I know, I was just curious since I knew it was coming soon |
| [17:46:47] | GreyFoxx: | but I logged in and got it now L( |
| [17:46:49] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
| [17:46:52] | squidly: | wagnerrp: I know, but they do have some HD on it...mostly the broadcast HD |
| [17:47:05] | wagnerrp: | do you mean digital cable, not standard |
| [17:47:17] | wagnerrp: | s/do/so/ |
| [17:47:38] | wagnerrp: | in which case, any card on linuxtv.org that supports QAM |
| [17:47:45] | squidly: | ok. |
| [17:48:01] | squidly: | but if I had digital cable the 150's should not be able to support it |
| [17:48:09] | wagnerrp: | thats correct |
| [17:48:32] | meshe: | digital and analog cable are both on the same cable |
| [17:48:35] | wagnerrp: | ive got a 1250 (low profile) thats fairly painless |
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| [17:48:42] | w0ls0n: | so if I go with the 150 and I want to go HD, I would need a better card, right? |
| [17:48:59] | meshe: | correct |
| [17:49:09] | wagnerrp: | or you can get a HDHR, that is no-profile |
| [17:49:21] | w0ls0n: | no-profile? |
| [17:49:28] | wagnerrp: | its network attached |
| [17:49:31] | w0ls0n: | ah |
| [17:49:35] | wagnerrp: | does not fit inside your computer |
| [17:49:39] | w0ls0n: | right |
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| [17:49:54] | w0ls0n: | USB an option at all? USB > TV ? |
| [17:50:14] | w0ls0n: | er, maybe it should be TV > USB |
| [17:50:15] | wagnerrp: | usb is certainly an option |
| [17:50:21] | meshe: | for tuners? yes, there are usb tuners |
| [17:50:26] | wagnerrp: | but there are few supported by linux/mythtv |
| [17:50:30] | meshe: | HD-PVR for one |
| [17:50:32] | w0ls0n: | sorry guys I'm just getting into this |
| [17:50:40] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to find a USB framegrabber |
| [17:50:41] | w0ls0n: | thanks for your patience :-) |
| [17:50:54] | meshe: | well, that requires a STB with component out |
| [17:50:54] | wagnerrp: | and i dont think there are any USB IVTV devices |
| [17:51:12] | wagnerrp: | so you have a plextor-x, and i think one other supported device |
| [17:51:22] | jams: | there is a usb prv-250 |
| [17:51:58] | jams: | WinTV-PVR-USB2 |
| [17:53:32] | jams: | well WinTV-PVR-USB not for sure the 2 was ever made to work |
| [17:55:20] | iamlindoro: | It does |
| [17:55:24] | iamlindoro: | w/ ivtv |
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| [17:55:48] | iamlindoro: | or at least w/ Myth's ivtv (MPEG-2) code, it's not strictly ivtv IIRC |
| [17:56:06] | jams: | then i guess there are at least two devices |
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| [18:00:04] | CyberKnet: | anyone need a HVR-1250? |
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| [18:00:41] | CyberKnet: | I've got one new in box with remote that I'll let go for $50 + shipping. |
| [18:00:48] | CyberKnet: | ($60 on newegg) |
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| [18:02:30] | ** CyberKnet prods kormoc ** | |
| [18:02:33] | CyberKnet: | :P |
| [18:02:55] | kormoc: | Hehe |
| [18:02:57] | wagnerrp: | well besides the fact the remote is worthless |
| [18:03:01] | kormoc: | HDPVR is my next step |
| [18:03:36] | CyberKnet: | aah kormoc, you're my go-to tuner buyin guy :D |
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| [18:04:13] | ** jams will have a harmony one up for sale soon ** | |
| [18:04:41] | CyberKnet: | 880? |
| [18:04:43] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: so youre selling it for more that the one on newegg? |
| [18:04:49] | wagnerrp: | one, not 880 |
| [18:04:52] | jams: | CyberKnet- harmony one |
| [18:05:12] | wagnerrp: | touchscreen, instead of buttons along side the LCD on the 880 |
| [18:05:34] | jams: | oh and a 676 |
| [18:06:49] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: I didn't know the remote was worthless in linux. Given that, I could see how to people in here the media center version of the product would be equivalent to the non-media center version. |
| [18:07:25] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: the MCE version with the mceusb2 remote works fine, but the standard hauppauge remote does not work on the 1250 |
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| [18:08:33] | CyberKnet: | I haven't even opened the box to know for sure exactly what the remote constitutes. To be completely clear, this is what you would find at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . k=15-116-028 |
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| [18:10:29] | CyberKnet: | Anyway... my intent is not to rip someone off here, just to offer a good deal. If the remote that comes with that product is no good to myth, then we can all just forget I mentioned it, I wouldn't offer it for more than the remote-less version that newegg sells for $49.99 with free shipping. |
| [18:10:51] | CyberKnet: | I assure you, there is no intent to deceive or swindle here. |
| [18:11:50] | ** sid3windr licks his Areca – Array is initializing in the background but I'm still writing 130MB/sec to it <3 ** | |
| [18:12:19] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: just remember not to initialize in the foreground |
| [18:12:31] | sid3windr: | because? |
| [18:12:36] | wagnerrp: | i accidentally did that yesterday |
| [18:12:48] | sid3windr: | because you'll be waiting 24h for it to complete? =) |
| [18:13:04] | wagnerrp: | it initialized the extra 750GB in under 40 minutes, but i had almost no disk access during that time |
| [18:13:12] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [18:13:28] | sid3windr: | that's when expanding the array? |
| [18:13:37] | sid3windr: | I'm building a 6x1TB in RAID6 from scratch |
| [18:13:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [18:14:03] | wagnerrp: | 6+2x750 to 7+2x750 |
| [18:14:15] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [18:14:22] | sid3windr: | I'll be doing 6x to 7x later |
| [18:14:23] | squidly: | wagnerrp: nice |
| [18:14:27] | sid3windr: | but I guess that'll be toorrow :p |
| [18:14:30] | sid3windr: | +m |
| [18:14:33] | w0ls0n: | huh |
| [18:14:38] | squidly: | what kind of connections are they, stata? |
| [18:14:41] | squidly: | what case do you have? |
| [18:14:45] | ** schlazor wants a huge disk array like the cool kids ** | |
| [18:14:56] | w0ls0n: | wonder if that card would work ... I could just bend the metal piece down or just cut it off |
| [18:14:58] | squidly: | schlazor: I only have a 3 tb one |
| [18:15:06] | sid3windr: | huge in bytes = good. huge in size = not good |
| [18:15:09] | wagnerrp: | w0ls0n: what card? |
| [18:15:19] | w0ls0n: | nm |
| [18:15:21] | sid3windr: | I'm upgrading and downsizing from 15x320 to 7x1000 |
| [18:15:22] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [18:15:27] | w0ls0n: | remote was worthless in linux |
| [18:15:35] | wagnerrp: | oh, youve got a big one |
| [18:15:38] | wagnerrp: | mines only 12-port |
| [18:15:53] | kormoc: | I have dejavu here |
| [18:15:53] | schlazor: | squidly: i've got about 1.5TB and none of it RAID |
| [18:15:53] | sid3windr: | yea I have a 16 port but it'll go a bit to waste with only 7 disks attached |
| [18:15:59] | sid3windr: | I have room for upgrade this way :) |
| [18:16:10] | sid3windr: | case only takes 15 disks and I'd filled it up before |
| [18:16:13] | squidly: | what cards do you guys have? |
| [18:16:19] | sid3windr: | squidly: areca pci-x |
| [18:16:22] | wagnerrp: | raid? or tuner? |
| [18:16:25] | squidly: | raid |
| [18:16:34] | wagnerrp: | ARC-1230 |
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| [18:16:45] | wagnerrp: | 12-port SATA PCI-e 8x |
| [18:16:52] | sid3windr: | ARC-1160 |
| [18:16:59] | sid3windr: | 2 of'em at the moment because of raid migration |
| [18:17:07] | sid3windr: | borrowed the spare controller from work for the weekend :> |
| [18:17:25] | squidly: | sid3windr: lol nice |
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| [18:17:40] | sid3windr: | yea 22 disks on this box atm |
| [18:17:43] | squidly: | how much you pay for them? newegg is showing them at 700/800 a piece |
| [18:17:46] | sid3windr: | obviously that doesn't fit physically |
| [18:17:51] | squidly: | I was going to say! |
| [18:17:56] | sid3windr: | the new array is even powered by a different machine at the moment =) |
| [18:17:59] | wagnerrp: | i picked mine up at a discount, only $620 |
| [18:18:11] | squidly: | wagnerrp: sid3windr i'm going to assume you 2 have no kids? |
| [18:18:14] | sid3windr: | I don't remember what I paid – perhaps I intentionally forgot |
| [18:18:24] | squidly: | sid3windr: lol |
| [18:18:25] | sid3windr: | but it was over $620 for sure |
| [18:18:38] | wagnerrp: | at the moment, sure |
| [18:18:42] | sid3windr: | I had software raid on 2 inexpensive 8-port cards before |
| [18:18:42] | squidly: | I have a HP 4 port card.. but I dont know if I like them |
| [18:18:54] | sid3windr: | and I loved the areca's at work – just had to get one :) |
| [18:18:59] | sid3windr: | and no, no kids atm |
| [18:19:03] | sid3windr: | some expensive hobbies though ;) |
| [18:19:51] | squidly: | anyone ever used a rocketraid card? |
| [18:20:17] | wagnerrp: | the rocketraid cards are just disk controllers |
| [18:20:39] | squidly: | wagnerrp: yea I kind of figured |
| [18:20:50] | squidly: | for some reason my raid array is slow when access larger files |
| [18:20:59] | squidly: | what fs do you use on your big arrays? |
| [18:21:06] | wagnerrp: | zfs for mine |
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| [18:21:29] | squidly: | wagnerrp: ok. I'm using right now ext3 |
| [18:22:01] | wagnerrp: | the rocketraids all just use the main CPU for the heavy calculations |
| [18:22:06] | gbee: | ext3 is lousy with large files |
| [18:22:28] | squidly: | wagnerrp: yea and my server is not uber powerfull (right now) |
| [18:22:31] | squidly: | I need to update it |
| [18:22:52] | squidly: | anyway to convert a ext3 to zfs? |
| [18:23:05] | squidly: | with out reformatting? |
| [18:23:17] | wagnerrp: | copy data off, create new file system, copy data back |
| [18:23:24] | wagnerrp: | besides, linux doesnt support zfs |
| [18:23:37] | wagnerrp: | and freebsd/solaris/osx dont support ext3 |
| [18:23:50] | squidly: | ahh.. wagnerrp your on bsd? |
| [18:23:56] | wagnerrp: | free, yes |
| [18:24:04] | gbee: | you want xfs for large files with linux |
| [18:24:33] | CoreDump: | FWIW, I prefer XFS on fast RAIDs. |
| [18:24:44] | squidly: | gbee: yea that is what I'm going to move to |
| [18:24:53] | squidly: | using ext3 for the main fs is fine with me |
| [18:25:05] | wagnerrp: | for boot, sure |
| [18:25:08] | anykey__: | the only problem with xfs is that you cannot shrink it |
| [18:25:14] | wagnerrp: | but its not good with large files or large arrays |
| [18:25:23] | squidly: | wagnerrp: yea exacly |
| [18:25:24] | wagnerrp: | and when are you going to shrink your array? |
| [18:25:33] | squidly: | wagnerrp: perhaps when a disk breaks? |
| [18:25:40] | wagnerrp: | then you replace the disk |
| [18:25:44] | wagnerrp: | and rebuild |
| [18:25:48] | squidly: | very true |
| [18:26:01] | wagnerrp: | most raid systems dont support shrinking either |
| [18:26:05] | anykey__: | wagnerrp: when you use LVM and want to rearrange things? |
| [18:26:42] | squidly: | brb |
| [18:27:38] | ** sid3windr uses xfs for the storage array and ext3 for / and /boot :) ** | |
| [18:28:42] | CyberKnet: | I only have a 3Ware Escalade 9500S-4LP running 4x250GB drives |
| [18:28:58] | CyberKnet: | Wasn't too long ago I felt good about that, too :D |
| [18:29:26] | wagnerrp: | the 3ware is at least a hardware card |
| [18:30:25] | CyberKnet: | Yeah. I thought *it* was expensive when I got it. ~350 for a four port raid card. |
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| [18:30:57] | wagnerrp: | economy of scale, the additional disk controllers on larger cards are relatively cheap |
| [18:31:11] | CyberKnet: | yes, they are. |
| [18:31:25] | wagnerrp: | its the main chip and firmware that they charge for |
| [18:32:17] | CyberKnet: | Apparently 3ware came out with a new model since I bought mine. Looking at hte feature list now. |
| [18:32:32] | CyberKnet: | Aaah, mine is only SATA I, the new one is SATA II |
| [18:32:40] | wagnerrp: | not that it matters |
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| [18:33:16] | CyberKnet: | I went with the 3ware back then because it was the cheapest hardware raid htat had online capacity expansion. |
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| [18:33:38] | wagnerrp: | usually any hardware raid supports online expansion |
| [18:33:57] | CyberKnet: | Looks like they also went to a multi-lane connector on the 4 port model now too ... mine has discrete connectors. |
| [18:34:15] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Hmm... I think I looked at a 4 port LSI Logic hardware raid back then that didn't. |
| [18:34:25] | CyberKnet: | It might have been firmware update-pending. |
| [18:34:38] | wagnerrp: | TBH, i dont really see the purpose of 4-port hardware raid |
| [18:35:02] | CyberKnet: | It's for people that can't afford 8 ports, IIRC. |
| [18:35:03] | CyberKnet: | :P |
| [18:35:45] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand the purpose of 4-disk raid5 either |
| [18:36:03] | wagnerrp: | and it doesnt take a discrete chip to do raid0/1/10/01 well |
| [18:36:34] | CyberKnet: | why don't you understand the purpose of 4-disk raid 5? |
| [18:36:56] | wagnerrp: | just rather small |
| [18:37:28] | CyberKnet: | The alternative is mirroring, and losing half your space to redundancy, instead of a quarter. |
| [18:37:39] | CyberKnet: | or striping, and getting no redundancy. |
| [18:37:51] | wagnerrp: | at 4 disks, i dont see one extra disk as a significant loss |
| [18:38:12] | CyberKnet: | any data loss is a significant loss. |
| [18:38:21] | wagnerrp: | at 4 disks, i would rather do 10, and not have to deal with the deficiencies of raid5 |
| [18:39:10] | CyberKnet: | Yeah, I guess we have different priorities. |
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| [18:41:25] | gbee: | anykey__: LVM is dead, move on ;) |
| [18:41:49] | anykey__: | gbee: it's not ;) |
| [18:41:53] | wagnerrp: | is it mdadm now? |
| [18:42:32] | wagnerrp: | im not up on linux disk technologies |
| [18:42:39] | wagnerrp: | i only have a single disk with linux on it |
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| [18:48:12] | squidly: | mikeones: yea mdadm is the multi disk utility |
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| [18:55:44] | CyberKnet: | Hmmm, there's a 9650SE-12ML open box on NewEgg for $502. |
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| [18:56:25] | CyberKnet: | new 12ML is $750. new 16ML is $889 |
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| [18:57:06] | okolotas: | let's figth ! http://chucknorrrris.mybrute.com |
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| [19:10:41] | ** sid3windr suggests staying away from 3Ware and ging with Areca ** | |
| [19:10:44] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [19:10:51] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: I think gbee means it's ZFS now! =) |
| [19:11:16] | wagnerrp: | linux does not support ZFS |
| [19:11:27] | wagnerrp: | theres a FUSE application to use it |
| [19:11:35] | wagnerrp: | but theres no kernel space driver |
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| [19:41:35] | ** CyberKnet wonders why sid3windr prefers Areca over 3ware ** | |
| [19:42:18] | CyberKnet: | Areca's are a few dollars cheaper, that's always nice. |
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| [19:51:17] | _marko_d: | how does the 0.22 dev branch scale in stability to 0.21 |
| [19:52:24] | kormoc: | it ranges from not at all to better then |
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| [19:53:40] | _marko_d: | kormoc: on different hardware ore when using different features? |
| [19:53:41] | GreyFoxx: | Just as good if not better than for me |
| [19:54:13] | GreyFoxx: | for me the only reall problem is some of my TV series dvd's don't draw the menu buttons correctly since the last dvdread/nav sync |
| [19:54:52] | RyeBrye: | _marko_d: you mean is the dev branch as stable as the 0.21-fixes release? |
| [19:54:57] | GreyFoxx: | The only stargates are hit or miss :) |
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| [19:55:04] | GreyFoxx: | err older I meant, not 'only' |
| [19:55:14] | _marko_d: | RyeBrye: not as, but how much |
| [19:55:56] | RyeBrye: | As far as usability goes I find it is stable. On the bleeding edge you sometimes bleed – but I haven't had any problems in a long time. |
| [19:56:06] | RyeBrye: | ymmv |
| [19:56:22] | iamlindoro: | What is likely to be more of an issue in regular use is the fairly high number of half-done features |
| [19:56:33] | RyeBrye: | True |
| [19:56:48] | RyeBrye: | but the basic core functionality that I use is stable |
| [19:57:11] | meshe: | ymmv, no warranty implied or explit, we hold no responsibility, you are on your own, we hold no liability whatsoever... |
| [19:57:15] | RyeBrye: | every once in a while I will see a popup saying I need Qt 4.4 or somecrap (even though I'm on Qt 4.5) – but those minor things get taken care of |
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| [19:57:30] | _marko_d: | i think i will try it :) |
| [19:57:35] | RyeBrye: | yeah, there isn't the same "money back guarantee" as the release build |
| [19:58:06] | RyeBrye: | but if you have problems – you are pretty much on your own (so hope you dont have problems) |
| [19:58:21] | _marko_d: | i can just revert |
| [19:58:22] | iamlindoro: | You will also need to read the -dev and commits list history since .21, and follow both going forward |
| [19:58:30] | meshe: | money back guarantee still stands though ;) software only, if it trunk build fries your hardware it's not covered |
| [19:58:45] | iamlindoro: | As it will make people mad when you ask questions that have been covered in the commit logs or on the list |
| [19:59:24] | RyeBrye: | My personal strategy with the trunk builds is I monitor dev and commits and when I see enough commits pile up that sound interesting I will rebuild and run that build for a few weeks |
| [19:59:33] | meshe: | well, search the list and logs for your error, if you tried to read them all .22 would be released first |
| [19:59:59] | _marko_d: | and how close it is to .22 stable? |
| [20:00:03] | meshe: | haha |
| [20:00:10] | meshe: | i love that question |
| [20:00:20] | GreyFoxx: | _marko_d: There is no current timeline |
| [20:00:27] | GreyFoxx: | just mumblings |
| [20:00:31] | RyeBrye: | 0.22 will be released when work on 0.23 starts (and vice versa) |
| [20:00:32] | meshe: | except that everytime someone asks it, gbee pushes it back another month |
| [20:00:39] | meshe: | ;) |
| [20:00:40] | GreyFoxx: | heh yeah |
| [20:00:48] | _marko_d: | :) |
| [20:00:49] | _marko_d: | k |
| [20:01:03] | wagnerrp: | well... so far as trac is concerned |
| [20:01:08] | wagnerrp: | thats the only place 0.22 exists |
| [20:01:12] | kormoc: | or rather |
| [20:01:16] | kormoc: | there is no 0.22 at all |
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| [20:01:19] | kormoc: | just -trunk |
| [20:01:23] | RyeBrye: | true |
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| [20:01:39] | GreyFoxx: | yeah. I kinda hate it when people call it 0.22 but I just don't say anything :) |
| [20:01:59] | RyeBrye: | you should change version numbers one time just to get back at them all |
| [20:02:14] | RyeBrye: | release what most people would consider 0.22 as 0.penguin or something. That'll teach them |
| [20:02:44] | kormoc: | I do really think we should release as 1.22 so we get to stop the 'When's 0.22 out' and the 'When's 1.0 out' questions in one stap |
| [20:02:45] | kormoc: | *stab |
| [20:02:52] | meshe: | i still say: MythTV Albert, MythTV Bob, MythTV Colbert |
| [20:02:58] | _marko_d: | this new mythui, uses qt's opengl stavk or ? |
| [20:03:31] | _marko_d: | *stack |
| [20:03:38] | wagnerrp: | 0.21 uses opengl too |
| [20:03:47] | RyeBrye: | so did 0.20 didnt' it? |
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| [20:04:19] | gbee: | _marko_d: it uses opengl directly |
| [20:04:51] | _marko_d: | so qt is optional or still used for basic stuff? |
| [20:05:02] | kormoc: | negative on the optionalness |
| [20:05:08] | wagnerrp: | qt is used for the runtime environment |
| [20:05:10] | gbee: | QT is not just a UI toolkit |
| [20:05:23] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is intertwined with its library goodness |
| [20:06:04] | gbee: | in fact that's just a fraction of what QT is about (but everyone thinks it's just KDE's version of GTK) |
| [20:06:34] | _marko_d: | yeah, i always think that way about qt |
| [20:06:49] | _marko_d: | although it has webkit, phonon & ... |
| [20:08:28] | kormoc: | ...? Never heard of that project, what does it do? |
| [20:08:41] | _marko_d: | phonon? |
| [20:09:03] | kormoc: | Never-mind, that was a horrible attempt at humor |
| [20:09:15] | _marko_d: | :) |
| [20:09:41] | _marko_d: | the trunk branch seems really nice |
| [20:10:20] | meshe: | kormoc: spell checking: http://www.wordsworldwide.co.uk/store/view_pr . . . p;prod_id=45 |
| [20:10:21] | iamlindoro: | Trunk isn't a branch :) |
| [20:10:36] | iamlindoro: | by very definition |
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| [20:10:47] | iamlindoro: | "Hey, look at that branch growing out of that branch!" |
| [20:11:03] | wagnerrp: | that happens |
| [20:11:12] | iamlindoro: | your mom happens |
| [20:11:18] | wagnerrp: | we have a tree in the back yard that was damaged |
| [20:11:24] | wagnerrp: | the trunk died |
| [20:11:26] | _marko_d: | :) |
| [20:11:27] | _marko_d: | lol |
| [20:11:29] | wagnerrp: | so it branched off onto a new trunk |
| [20:11:41] | kormoc: | meshe, well, what do ya know... |
| [20:11:45] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, trunk still isn't a branch |
| [20:11:46] | meshe: | hehe |
| [20:12:16] | kormoc: | well, I guess you could say trunks tend to fork? |
| [20:12:37] | iamlindoro: | If only |
| [20:12:44] | wagnerrp: | oh, fork off |
| [20:12:50] | meshe: | we have a tree at home that is growing out of a dead tree trunk |
| [20:13:41] | kormoc: | this recursion is this recusion is this recursion is... |
| [20:13:53] | meshe: | bah, GNU |
| [20:13:55] | meshe: | i win |
| [20:14:09] | kormoc: | Well same to GNU |
| [20:14:23] | iamlindoro: | stop WINEing |
| [20:14:59] | CyberKnet: | will this stop if I mention Hitler? |
| [20:15:15] | kormoc: | DMCA is the new godwin |
| [20:15:28] | CyberKnet: | I was afraid of that. |
| [20:15:35] | CyberKnet: | carry on then. |
| [20:15:51] | GreyFoxx: | Woop, time to get out of here and go home |
| [20:15:55] | wagnerrp: | was there any single senator pushing that one forward? |
| [20:16:01] | meshe: | Canada has tried twice with their DMCA, the outrage was huge, thanks to the Americans for showing us how theirs turned out :) |
| [20:16:05] | ** kormoc waves to GreyFoxx ** | |
| [20:16:15] | kormoc: | meshe, prop 15? |
| [20:16:24] | wagnerrp: | hs... Rep Howard Cable |
| [20:16:25] | meshe: | C-61 or something |
| [20:16:32] | kormoc: | ahh, that'd be it |
| [20:16:40] | sveinung: | anyone here using swedish tele2vision dvb-c? |
| [20:16:44] | GreyFoxx: | This is my favourite part of Friday .... time to go home :) |
| [20:16:50] | wagnerrp: | the Cable corollary to Godwin's Law |
| [20:16:59] | jonK1: | perhaps we could start debating the relative merits of GPL 2 versus GPL 3 |
| [20:17:02] | kormoc: | if only every day could start out as friday, time to go home... |
| [20:17:12] | GreyFoxx: | meshe: Yeah, I'm glad we've held them off so far :) |
| [20:17:19] | ** GreyFoxx goes ** | |
| [20:17:21] | kormoc: | Do I have to invite some FSF folks in here? They'd be glad to! |
| [20:17:22] | meshe: | meeeeee tooooo |
| [20:17:50] | meshe: | bye GreyFoxx |
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| [20:36:54] | stoth: | ooohhhhh, just discovered MythNetTV |
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| [21:10:40] | wagnerrp: | stoth: mythnettv seems to be yet one more plugin in a long line trying to bring torrenting to mythtv |
| [21:10:47] | wagnerrp: | talk of torrents is taboo here |
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| [21:18:28] | iamlindoro: | I think most of what it does is download podcasts, though, I think the torrent part is an afterthought |
| [21:19:15] | kormoc: | unless that's just what they want you to think? |
| [21:19:52] | iamlindoro: | heh, I remember looking at it a year ago and he was still talking about potentially adding torrent ability, so it's late to the party |
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| [21:20:12] | kormoc: | Or just that awesome of a back-story! |
| [21:20:17] | sid3windr: | kormoc: or you could check if the machine is connected to the internet and abort the backend because you may be downloading stuff with it! |
| [21:20:25] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [21:20:26] | kormoc: | Yes! |
| [21:20:29] | terse is now known as crankharder|beer | |
| [21:20:37] | kormoc: | I'm so gonna do that now, thanks for the idea sid3windr |
| [21:20:56] | iamlindoro: | MythMom |
| [21:21:07] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [21:21:24] | sid3windr: | pincode received upon homework completion |
| [21:22:11] | ** meshe writes MythHomeAutomation... ** | |
| [21:22:41] | iamlindoro: | That would be a simple script, actually, just randomize a pin code once a day and mail to parents |
| [21:24:29] | sid3windr: | yeah but I'd like a plugin to actually check the homework |
| [21:24:41] | meshe: | MythCamera has detected that you haven't done the dishes yet, so MythFirewall is going to block access to your MMO |
| [21:24:42] | sid3windr: | I don't have time for that stuff, got my recordings to watch! |
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| [21:25:13] | sid3windr: | blocking access to MMO should be enabled regardless of any outstanding chores |
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| [21:27:06] | meshe: | i may have agreed in the past, but video games are better than a stir-crazy ADD husband |
| [21:29:08] | jams: | meshe- sometimes it sounds like husband is the name of a housepet. |
| [21:30:29] | meshe: | nah, he gets to come with me to places they won't let the dog go ;) |
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| [21:31:30] | jams: | hehe |
| [21:31:56] | meshe: | ie: we're going to see that Wolverine movie tonight |
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| [21:34:14] | dustybin: | meshe: i already have myth home automation, i just edited a menu to execute some bash scripts |
| [21:34:18] | CyberKnet: | Of course you were talking about the movies. |
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| [21:35:13] | dustybin: | being able to turn my fan on and off from the mythtv menu is ultimate :D |
| [21:35:32] | meshe: | yeah, hopefully we can get tickets, i haven't been to an opening night movie in years |
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| [21:35:59] | jams: | buy them online? |
| [21:37:34] | meshe: | that just might work |
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| [21:43:19] | kormoc: | that's crazy talk, using the intertubes to transfer information |
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| [21:45:00] | meshe: | ahh, thats why we've never done that, we use passes, we pay for a bunch of movies up front and get a tidy discount |
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| [21:49:43] | jams: | thats a good idea |
| [21:49:46] | CyberKnet: | Whereas online gets you a dollar surcharge! |
| [21:51:05] | CyberKnet: | wow. you can get a 40% off discount when buying 50 or more movies. |
| [21:51:56] | RyeBrye: | I have a flexible work schedule so I will go to matinees a lot |
| [21:52:03] | RyeBrye: | matinees are really cheap |
| [21:52:05] | meshe: | iirc, tonights movie is free for both of us |
| [21:52:22] | meshe: | discount tickets + rewards program :) |
| [21:52:31] | gbee: | but not as fun as manatees |
| [21:53:21] | CyberKnet: | meshe: which theatre chain? |
| [21:53:28] | meshe: | Cineplex |
| [21:53:36] | meshe: | Canadian |
| [21:58:54] | CyberKnet: | adios amigos |
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| [22:10:08] | dustybin: | i been using mythtv for about 2–3 years, and contributed nothing at all, are you guys disgusted with me? |
| [22:10:57] | laga: | if you have helped someone in here, you have contributed |
| [22:11:10] | dustybin: | im banned from helping people here... |
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| [22:11:25] | kormoc: | Helping them choose another project doesn't count |
| [22:12:02] | dustybin: | ? |
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| [22:13:56] | dustybin: | something is wrong? here...? |
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| [22:14:33] | jonK1: | I try to help mostly be serving as an example of what not do to. |
| [22:14:48] | RyeBrye: | What in the world prompted this question?> dustybin: i been using mythtv for about 2–3 years, and contributed nothing at all, are you guys disgusted with me? |
| [22:14:54] | dustybin: | well, actually, i helped a friend of mine setup mythtv |
| [22:15:01] | dustybin: | and he is still using it |
| [22:15:12] | ** dustybin locates the uptime of the box ** | |
| [22:15:28] | dustybin: | ast login: Wed Apr 29 21:32:07 2009 from 78-86-171–176.zone2.bethere.co.uk |
| [22:15:29] | dustybin: | mythtv@mythtv:~$ uptime 23:15:21 up 113 days, 7:06, 2 users, load average: 0.88, 0.87, 0.75 |
| [22:15:40] | dustybin: | 113! |
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| [22:15:50] | dustybin: | not bad for a old box |
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| [22:17:15] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, dustybin is a fairly well known troll, hence why I have him ignored |
| [22:17:37] | RyeBrye: | ah |
| [22:17:47] | RyeBrye: | now I have as well |
| [22:18:02] | ** dustybin puts himself on ignore ** | |
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| [22:19:33] | laga: | RyeBrye: yep. |
| [22:19:34] | meshe: | /ignore * |
| [22:20:00] | RyeBrye: | what did * ever do to you? |
| [22:20:23] | meshe: | * is waaaaay to greedy |
| [22:20:35] | laga: | heh |
| [22:20:56] | ** kormoc claps ** | |
| [22:21:10] | meshe: | even worse when he's hanging out with his buddy . |
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| [22:21:42] | kormoc: | actually + is a tad more greedy, + requires at least one thing to be happy, * will be okay with none |
| [22:22:34] | meshe: | true, and ? can't handle crowds, one or nothing |
| [22:22:50] | meshe: | You know you're a geek when... |
| [22:23:01] | kormoc: | As if there was any questions |
| [22:24:06] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [22:28:30] | meshe: | ^ won't seem to budge from the beginning of the line, and gets very negative when it gets stuck behind [ |
| [22:28:51] | kormoc: | I'm certainly $ |
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| [22:29:27] | meshe: | you dislike ^ that much? |
| [22:29:43] | meshe: | unless its just the two of you in line? |
| [22:29:53] | kormoc: | I'm just a rear sorta person |
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| [22:31:11] | meshe: | are you before or after \n ? |
| [22:31:24] | kormoc: | Depends on my mode ;) |
| [22:31:30] | meshe: | lol |
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| [22:33:10] | CoreDump: | talk about a geeky conversation. The sad part is that I understood it perfectly. |
| [22:34:21] | califdreas: | seems to me like they need a room, err, shell |
| [22:34:21] | RyeBrye: | .? |
| [22:35:04] | ** meshe should log this chat and use it for a regex tutorial ** | |
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| [22:38:02] | RyeBrye: | \W |
| [22:38:05] | meshe: | |
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| [23:25:13] | meshe: | why do you need to install mythtv if you are running mythbuntu? |
| [23:26:03] | `brandon`: | dose mythbuntu come with mythtv? |
| [23:26:11] | meshe: | yes |
| [23:26:17] | meshe: | that's the point of mythbuntu |
| [23:27:09] | meshe: | it's ubuntu with mythtv preinstalled |
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| [23:28:03] | `brandon`: | well how do i get to MythTV? |
| [23:28:41] | meshe: | in the menu under: Applications -> Media -> MythTV Frontend |
| [23:29:18] | meshe: | Media might be Sound and Video |
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| [23:35:01] | `brandon`: | well what ip should i point it to? |
| [23:38:55] | `brandon`: | that is where i am lost :s |
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| [23:40:19] | SpaceBass: | hey folks |
| [23:40:36] | SpaceBass: | before I take my DirecTV dishes (yep 2) down tomorrow – is there *any* reason to consider free-to-air? |
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| [23:43:38] | meshe: | `brandon`: i can't walk you through setting up myth, you missed some steps on installation, check out http://wiki.mythtv.org for some tutorials |
| [23:43:48] | meshe: | also mythbuntu.org may have some |
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