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Tuesday, April 28th, 2009, 00:05 UTC
[00:05:38] Shadow__X: iamlindoro, do you recall the name of the write up or was it a reply to another user
[00:05:55] iamlindoro: It was early on in the "solar power for all our gadgets" thread
[00:06:20] Shadow__X: ah ok great thanks
[00:06:32] iamlindoro: I live to serve
[00:06:39] Shadow__X: do you know
[00:06:42] iamlindoro: I do know
[00:06:42] Shadow__X: now*
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[00:30:37] skimj: in modules/tv/search.php there is a "$_SESSION['search']['unwatched']" test to exclude previously recorded shows from the listing. It looks like this is normally set by a checkbox in the "advanced search" page. Does anyone know if/how I could set this in a custom "canned search"?
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[00:33:59] ** iamlindoro wonders what became of the "give something back/pay for recommendations" guy **
[00:36:07] squish103: if i kept the memory on a mythbackend to under 3 gig, is it necessary to install a 64 bit OS?
[00:36:26] skimj: iamlindoro: is that directed at me?
[00:36:35] iamlindoro: skimj, no
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[00:36:50] squish103: i have tried the ubuntu 64 bit OS, but i have encountered more than one problem with it being 64 bit
[00:37:04] iamlindoro: squish103, such as?
[00:37:11] squish103: like running boxee (no 64 bit version)
[00:37:19] Shadow__X: whoa whoa there
[00:37:22] iamlindoro: That's boxee's problem
[00:37:49] squish103: iamlindoro, exactly... which then becomes my problem
[00:37:59] Shadow__X: so dont use boxee?
[00:38:06] squish103: so i'm trying hard to justify running 64 bit
[00:38:21] wagnerrp: squish103: 64-bit will aide any program designed to use the additional register space
[00:38:23] squish103: even skype had a problem, if i remember correctly
[00:38:41] wagnerrp: however that has nothing to do with being 64-bit, just the architecture change
[00:38:46] iamlindoro: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=383968&page=2
[00:38:47] Shadow__X: :)
[00:38:53] iamlindoro: That took me all of one google search to find
[00:38:55] squish103: does it make any significant difference to mythtv or any of the players?
[00:38:56] Shadow__X: thats dev's
[00:39:15] iamlindoro: http://forum.boxee.tv/showpost.php?p=25070&postcount=29
[00:40:11] squish103: iamlindoro, yes i read that, but that started me thinking along this line... is it worth it
[00:41:06] squish103: is every 5th thing i install adds extra pain because it is 64bit and if i do not get any real value from 64 bit then is it worth it... (that was just what i was thinking)
[00:41:27] wagnerrp: if youre ok staying within the 3/1 limit, theres no real advantage of using 64-bit on most applications
[00:41:38] iamlindoro: funny, I've never needed to do anything special at all to use 64 bit *shrug*
[00:41:47] iamlindoro: And I've been 64 bit only for ages
[00:41:53] wagnerrp: however ive had 64-bit linux installed since 2005
[00:41:54] squish103: iamlindoro, but u probably running gentoo
[00:41:57] iamlindoro: no
[00:42:05] iamlindoro: Ubuntu and Debian
[00:42:11] wagnerrp: and the only problem ever was with firefox, i had to grab the 32-bit version to make flash work
[00:42:35] squish103: oh yes wagnerrp, that was the other thing i had a problem with
[00:42:59] iamlindoro: Even flash has a 64 bit version now
[00:43:06] squish103: and now that i just hosed up my mythbuntu because of hitting the upgrade button, i think i may go back to 32 bit
[00:43:16] squish103: thanks for all the suggestions/help
[00:44:51] Shadow__X: i run 64bit on a main system and there are hiccups but thats how it rolls
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[00:46:40] iamlindoro: Heh
[00:46:41] iamlindoro: http://twitter.com/iamlindoroMyth
[00:46:48] iamlindoro: Guess I left that stupid perl script running
[00:46:57] Shadow__X: why iamlindoro why
[00:47:03] brockp: I am trying to adjust my reserved space, to increase it from 3gb to 10gb as I also use it for tmp space for another application. Due to me being nutty, I am looking for the reserved disk setting in the database, I looked in the settings and storagegroup tables, and can't figure out where the setting is,
[00:47:08] Shadow__X: you jumped on the twitter wagon
[00:47:09] wagnerrp: you see xkcd today?
[00:47:32] iamlindoro: Shadow__X, No, I wrote a 500 byte perl script to prove a point about it not being a big feature in another PVR software
[00:47:45] iamlindoro: Shadow__X, And did so in 4 lines without knowing prel
[00:47:51] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, nope, not yet
[00:48:00] Shadow__X: nice goodjob
[00:48:31] mzb: 64bit _is_ faster for most things. Flash+skype were/are the two most important things for me (at the time). I've been using amd64 in Debian since it was a port (prior to merge into mainline)
[00:48:44] iamlindoro: Shadow__X, Lengthy writeups about some sage addon to do same, so did so in a boring morning at work in 4 lines
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[00:49:06] Shadow__X: kudos to your sir keep the mythtv spirit strong
[00:49:54] wagnerrp: 64-bit make no difference to anything
[00:50:18] wagnerrp: the only thing new is that general purpose integer ops are now 64-bit
[00:50:27] wagnerrp: the FPU has always been 80-bit
[00:50:39] wagnerrp: SSE and MMX have always been 64-bit
[00:50:52] Shadow__X: what about the threaded business
[00:51:23] iamlindoro: Threads and bits are unrelated
[00:51:40] wagnerrp: the only thing 64-bit gets you is that 1, you have additional memory capacity and register space
[00:51:41] Shadow__X: i know this i just want more things to be multithreaded
[00:51:58] wagnerrp: and 2, they took the opportunity to streamline the x86 standard, and drop out a bunch of legacy crap
[00:52:56] brockp: In some applications we see 64bit hurting things, if many pointers are used. The size of a pointer is double on 64bit, which causes less pointers to fit in cache, yes grad students write wacky code,
[00:53:43] wagnerrp: you can say the move from i686 to amd64 made things faster, but saying the move from 32-bit to 64-bit did anything is a load of BS
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[00:56:06] brockp: anycase, any idea where the reserved disk space setting is stored? If its in the database I am blind to it, and I can't find a config file that holds it.
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[01:01:40] iamlindoro: Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->General, "Extra disk Space"
[01:02:19] Shadow__X: is one big 12v more efficient that multiple 12v rails on a system with a geforce 8400
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[01:02:45] wagnerrp: thats what PC:P&C claims
[01:02:51] brockp: no fun, I wanted to do it by hand,
[01:03:14] brockp: thanks anyway, I kept overlooking it,
[01:04:03] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, yeah thats what i heard i am trying to find 80 plus silver with a modular design seems to rack price up
[01:04:50] wagnerrp: well that same PC:P&C claims modular designs are bad, because they slightly increase resistance
[01:04:55] wagnerrp: so.... just buy what you want
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[01:05:15] Shadow__X: hmm i wanted modular for cable management
[01:05:22] sphery: Shadow__X: the post iamlindoro mentioned about PSU's was: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/371460#371460 (and recommendation was for 80 PLUS in general--though I don't recommend any specific brands)
[01:05:46] ** iamlindoro does not have the entirety of gossamer threads in his head like some people **
[01:05:53] sphery: heh...
[01:06:13] Shadow__X: heh sphery yeah i was looking there i do want to get a 80 pluss
[01:06:25] sphery: what I don't remember is any posts talking about, "or51132: unknown status 0x66" (where the status code changes for a while, then goes to 0x00, eventually)
[01:06:36] Shadow__X: my last one was but it died and newegg sent me a nice email saying they discontinued it
[01:06:37] wagnerrp: the idea behind one big rail is that when you near the limits of a rail, the voltages go way off
[01:06:56] Shadow__X: hmm
[01:06:59] wagnerrp: meaning with multiple smaller rails, you wont be able to maintain the voltage as well as with one big rail
[01:07:01] Shadow__X: so they arent stable anymore
[01:07:05] sphery: having some problems with one or 2 of my 4 HD-3000
[01:07:19] wagnerrp: but if you manage to get anything close to the amperage limits on a small mythtv box, you have other problems
[01:07:41] iamlindoro: sphery, Whoah WHOAH, know your role, you're not allowed to have problems
[01:07:48] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, this is for my backend that i have bigger plans for
[01:07:54] sphery: true... what was I thinking
[01:07:57] wagnerrp: similarly, if your system is so high strung that running a couple mV off spec makes you unstable, you have other problems
[01:07:57] Shadow__X: should be all around project server
[01:07:58] iamlindoro: sphery, HVR-1250s
[01:08:05] iamlindoro: cheep cheep
[01:08:06] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, right
[01:08:11] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: what do you expect to do with this massive backend server
[01:08:35] wagnerrp: my dual core opteron, 2GB of memory, and 14 hard drives consumes somewhere around 200W
[01:08:43] sphery: yeah, that's probably it--but they won't help me with the first 15mins of Dancing With the Stars from tonight (which I promised a visitor I'd have...)
[01:09:14] wagnerrp: the UPS reads 300W when i include my secondary backend, firewall, modem, two switches, and a handful of other little embedded networking devices
[01:09:18] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, well i mean nothing all that crazy but running afew project sites file server also possible game server
[01:09:22] iamlindoro: sphery, this is murphy at work
[01:09:45] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, c2d e8400 geforce 8400 6 1TB drives so far
[01:09:50] wagnerrp: im sure iamlindoro can spout off equally low power usage for his considerably more powerful box
[01:09:51] Shadow__X: 4GB ram
[01:10:06] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, yeah i havnt recorded it yet but it should be low
[01:10:29] sphery: iamlindoro: yeah--if only you knew the rest of the story...
[01:11:15] wagnerrp: so if dont expect to get anywhere close to the limits of that giant PSU youre going to have to buy to get any decent amount of molex/sata plugs
[01:11:39] Shadow__X: yeah
[01:11:44] wagnerrp: youre (probably) not going to be heavily overclocking, your not going to be putting in multiple giant video cards
[01:12:02] wagnerrp: power stability under high load is not something you are going to have to worry about
[01:12:04] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, nope not for that box if i need more cpu i will goto quad core
[01:12:10] wagnerrp: just dont buy a cheap PSU
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[01:12:18] Shadow__X: yeah i know currently it has a 430watt pus
[01:12:22] Shadow__X: psu*
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[01:15:05] sphery: iamlindoro: oh, and definitely murphy when you consider I haven't had a problem with Myth in >18mos and then just now...
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[01:16:14] iamlindoro: sphery, probably shouldn't have snuck that "if (pginfo->title == "Dancing with the stars) break;" into the scheduler, huh?
[01:16:35] iamlindoro: s/s)/s")/
[01:17:08] Shadow__X: always gets ya in the end
[01:17:52] wagnerrp: so is tonight the last episode of chuck? or are they going to end it in such a way to continue the series?
[01:17:59] sphery: iamlindoro: that may be it...
[01:18:31] Shadow__X: i am glad chuck finally moved forward with sarah
[01:29:27] Dagmar: It's going to continue, but very very changed
[01:29:37] Dagmar: The last three minutes are nuts
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[01:34:13] dannyboy79_: can someone please help me with mythweb recordings not being found? I have checked all symlinks in .../mythweb/data/ directories and they point to my recordings folder which is non-standard location
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[01:41:42] dannyboy79_: can anyone help me please?
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[01:44:47] wagnerrp: apparently best buy is considering bringing back vinyl
[01:48:16] Shadow__X: hmm but they are so crisp and clear
[01:48:26] dannyboy79_: wagnerrp: i can't seem to figure out why my recordings can't be found when clicking on one within mythweb. can you help please.
[01:48:29] Shadow__X: audiophiles unit!!
[01:49:24] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: the claim is that they are not so crisp and clear
[01:49:38] wagnerrp: they want to hear the pops and cracks, through some form of nostalgia
[01:51:50] Shadow__X: hmm
[01:53:55] Dagmar: No, it's because DJs don't pirate vinyl
[01:53:59] Dagmar: Dur
[01:54:12] wagnerrp: hey, ive seen usb record players
[01:54:20] Dagmar: Those are not what I would ever use.
[01:54:28] wagnerrp: fair enough...
[01:54:30] Dagmar: ...at least not without replacing the headshell
[01:54:55] Dagmar: There's a WORLD of difference between headshells and needles
[01:54:56] dannyboy79_: nevermind, I figured it out. thanks anyway. everyone have a nice night.
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[01:55:02] wagnerrp: i just realised the meaning of chuck wearing vinyl all-stars
[01:55:16] wagnerrp: after two years, it finally dawned on me that theyre called 'chuck taylors'
[01:56:43] wagnerrp: anyway, we get a painful movie reference, and a to be continued.... so i guess that means the show is on for another season
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[02:14:07] Wicked: hello all. i got a bunch of tv episodes in mythvideo and id like to somehow get the imdb info for them. Each series has its own folder like "The Simpsons" but i cannot seem to find anything
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[02:17:26] Wicked: and for some reason it wont let me manually enter the imdb #
[02:19:17] Wicked: and i cant seem to change the metadata....
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[02:35:51] Shadow__X: is there a way i can pick up orions armputer
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[03:08:07] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, pretty interesting ending for chuck
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[03:17:43] Essobi: Wow... Anyone else stuck on Insight cable access?
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[03:30:59] kermitfan22: hello all, I've been fighting with MythTV for about 10 hours today. My brain is mush. My Dvico HD card sets up and scans the channels, and accurately lists which I receive, but when I try to watch live TV, I get a blank screen, and apparently lock up (esc doesn't take me back out of live TV). I suspect it's simply something with my Nvidia graphics card set up, but I don't know what/where to look. Suggestions?
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[03:33:59] mchou: kermitfan22: forget live tv
[03:34:28] mchou: kermitfan22: just use myth for prerecorded. It will work fine
[03:34:55] kermitfan22: um, no, the recordings that did happen in HD won't play back, either
[03:35:11] kermitfan22: though the tiny little preview thing shows the video was recorded
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[03:35:57] mchou: kermitfan22: that's either nvidia, kernel, xorg ABI, or myth playback settings issue
[03:36:34] mchou: kermitfan22: basically, if you're fried now, dont bother fixing ATM
[03:36:43] mchou: come back to it another day
[03:37:11] kermitfan22: well, seeing as how my HD containing the other OS I was using to record all my shows crashed this morning
[03:37:13] mchou: you can tell us what your playback profile is though
[03:37:18] kermitfan22: I kinda need to get this all fixed in the next 2 days
[03:37:46] kermitfan22: what is a playback profile?
[03:37:52] mchou: sigh
[03:38:22] mchou: come on dude, I can't be doing all the work for you here
[03:38:24] kermitfan22: I'm sorry, was I supposed to know that?
[03:38:48] kermitfan22: well, dude.. #1, I'm a WOMAN
[03:38:50] mchou: yes you are supposed to know that, or at least know how to find out
[03:38:54] kermitfan22: #2, I've been using Unix for 15 years
[03:39:09] mchou: well, excuse me
[03:39:10] kermitfan22: and like I just said, I've been pounding against this for 10+ hours
[03:39:13] mchou: dudette then
[03:39:56] kermitfan22: I guess I'll come back another day when someone actually wants to give me guidance
[03:40:00] ** kermitfan22 sighs **
[03:40:13] iamlindoro: kermitfan22, hang on
[03:40:24] iamlindoro: kermitfan22, First, can you pastebin your backend log please?
[03:40:26] Gumby: kermitfan22, when someone is trying to help you and then ask you to do something you dont understand you can simply try to google it
[03:40:47] iamlindoro: kermitfan22, That'll generally be in /var/log/mythtv/
[03:40:51] kermitfan22: golly, just google.. who would have thought
[03:41:29] Gumby: or you can be an ass about it and not get any further help. your choice I guess
[03:41:35] kermitfan22: iamlindoro, yes, but I'll have to get IRC downstairs where the myth pc is
[03:41:40] mchou: being a woman doesnt give you right to a biatch :)
[03:41:49] kermitfan22: I'm not being a biatch
[03:41:51] Gumby: kermitfan22, just use ssh
[03:41:53] iamlindoro: kermitfan22, ignore him
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[03:42:06] iamlindoro: kermitfan22, You wouldn't know, but he is this channel's most notorious troll
[03:42:20] kermitfan22: ahhh...
[03:42:21] mchou: iamlindoro: speak for yourself
[03:42:21] iamlindoro: kermitfan22, So we'll both just tune him out and get to the bottom of this
[03:42:24] ** kermitfan22 nods understanding **
[03:43:49] kermitfan22: kk, I'm gonna go throw Xchat onto the myth machine, brb
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[03:44:07] ** Gumby wonders why she doesnt just use ssh **
[03:44:21] Gumby: surely someone with 15 years unix experience knows how to use ssh
[03:45:07] mchou: hey Gumby, did my interaction with kermitfan22 just now strike you as trolling?
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[03:45:48] mchou: cause apparently whiny iamlindoro thought it was trolling
[03:45:53] Gumby: mchou, trolling? no. allthough, suggesting to use mythtv for prerecorded when that had nothing to do with the question might have been a bit off.
[03:45:59] Gumby: there again, it was only a suggestion.
[03:46:15] Gumby: but obviously this goes much deeper than just this conversation
[03:46:20] Gumby: so I'm not going to get in the middle of it
[03:47:25] mchou: The only reason I suggested prerecorded is livetv has always been problematic in myth
[03:47:43] Gumby: but if you cant at least try to solve a problem on your own without being spoonfed...well then maybe mythtv isnt for you
[03:47:57] Gumby: I have asked my fair share of n00b questions too though
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[03:48:41] Kermitfan22: you wanted the backend or the frontend logs?
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[03:48:54] mchou: Gumby: that's OK. How anyone could conclude I was being a troll for attempting to help is beyond me
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[03:49:17] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, Let's start with the backend, ideally showing an attempt to record
[03:49:21] ** Kermitfan22 notes how trolls never know when they are being trolls **
[03:49:25] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, and even better if they start from startup
[03:49:39] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, use pastebin.ca or .com please
[03:50:00] mchou: Kermitfan22: I asked you for your playback profile. It was a simple question
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[03:50:15] mchou: Kermitfan22: then you got all pissy on me
[03:50:19] Kermitfan22: mchou, and I asked you what that was, it was a simply question
[03:50:31] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, just ignore, he will simply waste your time and it's not worth the effort
[03:50:32] Kermitfan22: .me sighs
[03:51:03] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, He's toxic enough that real help in this channel generally dries up and find something better to do when he starts talking, so let me save you the aggravation :)
[03:51:17] mchou: iamlindoro: you're the total toxicity
[03:51:30] mchou: iamlindoro: get off your high horse
[03:51:37] cesman: oh boy....
[03:51:46] cesman: "can't we call get along"?
[03:51:58] Gumby: lol, this is the internet. of course not :)
[03:51:59] iamlindoro: cesman, not to worry, any argument will be a monologue :)
[03:52:09] Essobi: WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
[03:52:17] Essobi: Myth is fun.
[03:52:26] mchou: iamlindoro: then stop slandering me w/o cause
[03:53:06] ** Kermitfan22 attempts to choke pastebin **
[03:53:14] mchou: I asked kermitfan22 a simple question regarding her playback profile
[03:53:27] Kermitfan22: ahh.. and the troll circle begins
[03:54:15] Kermitfan22: iamlindoro, http://pastebin.com/d607e3a75
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[03:54:27] mchou: Kermitfan22: the only one trolling here is iamlindoro
[03:54:49] Kermitfan22: yup, trolling for my backend logs, what a FREAK!
[03:55:00] ** Kermitfan22 smirks **
[03:55:01] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, What type of capture devices are you using?
[03:55:25] cesman: Kermitfan22: someone already pointed to /var/log/mythtv for logs
[03:55:35] mchou: Kermitfan22: look, iamlindoro doesnt even know you are using Dvico
[03:55:37] cesman: Kermitfan22: another thing you can do is start the frontend from an xterm
[03:55:45] Kermitfan22: i have two hauppages that are gathering cable feeds
[03:56:06] Kermitfan22: I have a Dvico HD card that is giving me the fits
[03:56:07] cesman: Kermitfan22: when the error occurs, <alt> <tab> to xterm and check the output
[03:56:09] mchou: Kermitfan22: iamlindoro jumps in w/o even knowing what he's talking about
[03:56:16] Kermitfan22: and I also have a firewire that I haven't even touched yet
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[03:56:43] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, "SG(LiveTV) Error: Group 'LiveTV' wants to use directory '/home/chrismyth/video/', but this directory is not writeable."
[03:56:56] Kermitfan22: meh.. it wasn't.. it is now
[03:57:01] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, That is msot likely the source of your problems, none of your Storage Groups are writeable by the backend user
[03:57:05] Gumby: its chrismyth time everybody!
[03:57:06] Gumby: hehe
[03:57:14] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, ah, ok, will keep scrolling down
[03:57:25] Gumby: and no, that wasnt means as any type of knock towards anyone
[03:57:28] Gumby: meant
[03:57:29] ** Kermitfan22 smirks at Gumby **
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[03:57:46] Kermitfan22: you have a very nice lisp, Gumby
[03:57:51] Gumby: hehe
[03:57:58] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, and presumably the "Columbus Digital" lineup is intentionally not attached to a card?
[03:58:19] Kermitfan22: it should be later, attached to the dvico card, iamlindoro
[03:58:29] Kermitfan22: apparently I pasted too much
[03:58:30] Kermitfan22: lol
[03:58:38] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, S'ok
[03:58:58] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, Alright, looks like you cleared up most of your backend issues. Let's do as cesman mentioned and start a frontend from the console
[03:59:41] ** cesman thinks he see the problem **
[03:59:41] iamlindoro: attempt to start live TV, and then if you would pastebin the whole frontend output, and the backend log *only* for the time period where you attempted live TV
[03:59:42] Kermitfan22: it's "Y" to change capture cards?
[04:00:00] cesman: Kermitfan22: you state you have a dvico hd, that should use the DVB
[04:00:01] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, Just press M and switch inputs, that way you can specify
[04:00:12] iamlindoro: cesman, She has two Hauppauges too
[04:00:19] cesman: ahh ok
[04:00:51] ** Kermitfan22 swats ctrl-c on the garbage **
[04:00:56] Kermitfan22: ok.. let me see here...
[04:02:17] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, While you're at it, are you running the proprietary nVidia drivers?
[04:02:28] Kermitfan22: iamlindoro, yes, I am
[04:02:32] iamlindoro: okay, good
[04:03:23] Gumby: good luck guys. I am out
[04:03:30] Gumby: *and gal)
[04:03:47] Kermitfan22: lol
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[04:05:16] Kermitfan22: kk, here's the xterm output iamlindoro : http://pastebin.com/d6878a640
[04:05:42] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, Which nVidia card do you have?
[04:06:04] Kermitfan22: ahhhh
[04:06:07] Kermitfan22: I don't recall
[04:06:10] iamlindoro: In the frontend, go to Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, then go to page 3. change your playback profile to "Slim"
[04:06:49] iamlindoro: Then hit next all the way to the end, then finish
[04:06:59] iamlindoro: Then try again for me and pastebin the output if it fails
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[04:08:52] Kermitfan22: it's playing
[04:09:04] ** Kermitfan22 claps her hands happily **
[04:09:21] iamlindoro: Good, thought it might
[04:09:26] ** Kermitfan22 leans over and plants a loud kiss on iamlindoro's cheek **
[04:10:14] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, for reference, it appears the previous playback profile was attempting to use XvMC, which is the old style nVidia hardware offload-- it was always a little dodgy and entirely possible you don't have hardware (or a driver) that supports it
[04:10:44] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, Switching to slim (which really ought to be the default) forces it to use software rendering only, and Xv-blit, which almost any decent graphics card supports
[04:11:27] Kermitfan22: Ahhhh... that makes sense, thank you iamlindoro, for helping me find the elusive playback profile
[04:11:32] ** Kermitfan22 smirks **
[04:11:54] Kermitfan22: I maen, of course I would have looked for it 4 menus deep and 3 pages in when it's my first day using myth!
[04:11:55] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, Took a little bit to get to it, but I like to go from the ground up
[04:12:22] iamlindoro: Kermitfan22, 90% of people's problems tend to crop up in the backend log when they're new to myth, so I always try to check that first
[04:12:30] iamlindoro: You are welcome
[04:12:36] Kermitfan22: iamlindoro, that totally makes sense
[04:13:06] Kermitfan22: I knew I was close... just that one little clue I needed
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[04:13:48] iamlindoro: The fact that you got through all the usual stuff (evidenced by the backend problems you had before) means your at least paying attention, so you earn points for that
[04:13:54] iamlindoro: er you're
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[04:14:46] Kermitfan22: well.. I do attempt to learn from my mistakes
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[04:59:07] ** iamlindoro chuckles at Domo Arigato Mr. Roboto **
[04:59:23] wagnerrp: you chuck-le?
[04:59:29] iamlindoro: indeed!
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[05:02:04] wagnerrp: you know... theres one good thing about all these episode recaps
[05:02:15] wagnerrp: it gives me a bit more buffer space if i start recording a bit late
[05:02:31] iamlindoro: So Comcast moved Fox again on me
[05:02:58] wagnerrp: i almost had an issue
[05:03:00] iamlindoro: Which means I've got to rely on the new channel scanner to find the new position for me
[05:03:17] wagnerrp: after i dumped and rescanned all my channels, my ABC schedules werent matching up
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[05:03:27] wagnerrp: i manage to catch it about 30 seconds in
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[05:07:59] iamlindoro: Hmm... now that's odd-- it's not actually moved, 24 just got messed up
[05:08:18] RyeBrye: is chuck going to be renewed?
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[05:08:35] iamlindoro: No way to know yet
[05:08:40] ** cesman stopped watching Chuck before the end of season 1 **
[05:08:50] ** RyeBrye started in the middle of season 2 **
[05:09:43] iamlindoro: I'm less worried about Chuck than I am about Dollhouse... hope Fox hangs in there, but that might be a minor miracle
[05:10:03] RyeBrye: Yeah, Dollhouse has gotten pretty good. I doubt it will be back though
[05:10:09] RyeBrye: then again, they brought Terminator back
[05:10:25] RyeBrye: (well, not for next season – don't know about that yet)
[05:10:26] iamlindoro: But Terminator, with near identical ratings, is doomed
[05:10:29] wagnerrp: terminator is on for a 3rd season?
[05:10:39] iamlindoro: Not AFAIK
[05:10:46] RyeBrye: Not sure about the 3rd season
[05:10:48] iamlindoro: All the rumors say it's done
[05:11:07] iamlindoro: Citing unnamed but reliable sources
[05:11:10] RyeBrye: Yeah, it is probably done – but I was surprised it got a second season
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[05:19:41] wagnerrp: i was under the impression any card that supported VDPAU did not support XVMC
[05:19:53] iamlindoro: That's accurate AFAIK
[05:21:57] wagnerrp: you know, in heroes, ever since that episode first season where claire gets a splinter in the back of her head and cannot heal
[05:22:00] iamlindoro: Heh, is Zachary Levi that clumsy that they can't film a real-looking fight scene?
[05:22:05] wagnerrp: why do they keep going for that same spot?
[05:22:23] wagnerrp: i have to imagine dismemberment would take far less skill and accuracy
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[05:29:52] iamlindoro: I must say Fringe has really grown on me
[05:30:03] iamlindoro: It started off really slow, but now I'm pretty into it
[05:30:12] wagnerrp: fringe hasnt grown on you
[05:30:18] wagnerrp: walter has grown on you
[05:30:37] wagnerrp: the show just isnt the same without mad scientist antics
[05:30:51] ** cesman has a few episodes and hasn't decided if he wants to start watching... **
[05:30:54] iamlindoro: Heh, I always thought he was funny, but I'm into serialized stories and it started off pretty episodic, I got more interested when it started to go somewhere
[05:31:38] iamlindoro: "Oh come now Peter, I'm very certain Agent Dunham knows very well what a penis looks like-- don't you Agent Dunham?"
[05:37:54] iamlindoro: Plus, sexy girl-on-girl makeouts
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[05:45:18] wagnerrp: well the last block of tonights heroes was... interesting
[05:45:36] wagnerrp: i certainly didnt see it coming
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[05:51:04] iamlindoro: Hahahhahah
[05:51:14] iamlindoro: So I'm editing the commercials out of "Castle"
[05:51:34] iamlindoro: and there's a spot where it obviously goes from show to the local Newsroom for a blurb w/ "News at 11"
[05:51:50] iamlindoro: Where normally you would see one of our local newscasters, etc.
[05:52:08] iamlindoro: Except someone made the cut, and there's nobody there, just the guy's jacket on the back of his chair, rocking softly
[05:52:26] iamlindoro: Like he had just gotten up to go get a glass of water or something
[05:52:45] iamlindoro: 12 seconds of that before it cuts to a commercial
[05:53:06] califdreas: I get an error about pulse audio when I try to compile a recent 0.21fixes. Does anyone know what that could be and how to work around it?
[05:53:34] wagnerrp: what is the error?
[05:54:15] califdreas: it's something about undefined reference to `pulseaudio_handle_startup()' and undefined reference to `pulseaudio_handle_teardown()'
[05:54:36] iamlindoro: Did you make distclean?
[05:54:45] iamlindoro: or just svn up in your source and make?
[05:55:01] wagnerrp: yeah, distclean, and if that doesnt work, 'uninstall' the old version
[05:55:26] califdreas: I'll try the uninstall of my current version, then.
[05:55:33] wagnerrp: i have a problem with the linker in freebsd grabbing the installed libraries, rather than the newly built ones
[05:55:34] iamlindoro: make distclean first
[05:56:00] califdreas: the way i build it, I svn up, the copy the source to another dir to run make
[05:56:06] califdreas: *then
[05:56:14] iamlindoro: so? That doesn't prevent the need to distclean
[05:56:27] iamlindoro: well, I guess it does if you've *never* built in the first
[05:56:34] wagnerrp: why would you copy the source over?
[05:56:42] iamlindoro: but that error virtually guarantees that you have an unclean build in your source
[05:56:57] califdreas: that's how I make the rpm's for my installation.
[05:57:00] wagnerrp: unless you are doing development, and have multiple separate copies youre working on
[05:57:34] califdreas: I'll try the distclean as well and ask again if the error still persists.
[05:57:39] wagnerrp: why would you go 'all in' against a multimillionaire?
[05:57:58] califdreas: thanks y'all :)
[05:57:59] wagnerrp: if you lose, you lose... if they lose, theyre out pocket change
[05:59:19] wagnerrp: of course, it would seem its also no problem for them to buy your happiness
[06:02:04] iamlindoro: TMS' data has really had some trouble altely
[06:02:07] iamlindoro: lately
[06:02:19] iamlindoro: A ton of stuff coming up generic
[06:02:44] wagnerrp: i frequently get generic episodes until about a week out
[06:02:58] iamlindoro: yeah, they've been day-of lately
[06:03:11] iamlindoro: allegedly those server issues, but they have persisted past last week
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[06:09:57] wagnerrp: what will QAM tuners do if the power level is too high?
[06:10:26] wagnerrp: similar data loss as if its too low?
[06:12:38] califdreas: uninstalling the current version did it. it just finished compiling without errors. thanks again, guys :)
[06:13:16] wagnerrp: ive been meaning to figure out why its doing that.... dont know my way around make files well enough though
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[06:14:04] califdreas: yeah, i had that issue before but somehow didn't think of deinstalling right away.
[06:15:16] califdreas: now i just got to try and get all the patches back in
[06:21:34] wagnerrp: the local news was talking about 'cars that get 1000 miles per gallon'
[06:21:45] wagnerrp: oh... if only they explained HOW they got that mileage
[06:22:16] wagnerrp: running at optimum efficiency to 15–20mph, and then coasting to a near stop
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[06:30:42] at0m: wagnerrp, seen this 4-episode docu on dutch TV. one episode on fuel and cars. they went to GM with a car that does about that
[06:30:55] at0m: then the GM dude said something like you
[06:31:07] at0m: but it was a 60'ies pickup truck
[06:31:12] at0m: made back then
[06:31:23] wagnerrp: not gonna believe it
[06:31:27] wagnerrp: the physics just arent there
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[06:31:43] at0m: then they traced it, to make it again, but it was patented and closed eh
[06:31:57] at0m: i'd have to cut you the clip :)
[06:32:09] wagnerrp: even at 100% efficiency, the fuel just doesnt have the energy capacity to counter rolling and aerodynamic resistance at more than a snails pace
[06:32:25] wagnerrp: you have to have painfully thin tires to cut down on rolling resistance
[06:32:33] wagnerrp: which means an extremely lightweight car
[06:32:43] at0m: wagnerrp, that's what i thought
[06:32:45] wagnerrp: and you have to stay at low speeds for aerodynamic reasons
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[06:33:15] at0m: but they used a suringe to drive the mile eh
[06:33:27] mchou: more like they just ran the car downhill
[06:33:30] wagnerrp: probably downhill
[06:33:52] mchou: no gas necessary on neutral
[06:34:12] wagnerrp: theres more gas necessary on neutral than in gear
[06:34:29] wagnerrp: modern manuals shut down the fuel injectors while coasting
[06:34:47] wagnerrp: if you put it in neutral, or put in the clutch, they have to engage the idler
[06:35:43] wagnerrp: now if you put it in neutral, and turn off the engine, thats a different matter
[06:35:52] wagnerrp: of course then you lose power steering
[06:36:00] wagnerrp: not that a 60's truck would have that anyway
[06:36:22] at0m: http://www.vpro.nl/tools/images/index.jsp?number=40004857
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[06:36:29] at0m: oki 70'ies opel
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[06:37:06] at0m: doh, just a pic, looking for the clip...
[06:38:08] leop18: I have an error it says couldn't resolve 0.us.pool.ntp.org, what does it mean?
[06:38:26] wagnerrp: it means you have an ntp error, not mythtv related
[06:38:41] leop18: has to do with wireless yeah?
[06:38:42] mchou: it means your dns is fubar
[06:38:50] wagnerrp: specifically, your DNS server is hosed, and cannot resolve the default address for the NTP servers
[06:39:04] wagnerrp: NTP = network time protocol
[06:39:18] wagnerrp: its the program that keeps your clock in sync, so you dont start recording at the wrong time
[06:39:26] mchou: NTP is certainly myth related
[06:39:50] wagnerrp: mythtv needs to be running ntp to function properly
[06:39:57] wagnerrp: but it has nothing to do with mythtv
[06:40:00] wagnerrp: its a distro setup
[06:40:01] leop18: how do I stop it from happening again, it just kicked me out of mythtv
[06:40:06] at0m: wagnerrp, http://www.opel-p1.nl/custom/testcar/Shell Opel.htm
[06:40:15] wagnerrp: figure out why that address is not resolving
[06:40:27] at0m: claims to do 160km for 1liter
[06:40:30] wagnerrp: maybe check /etc/resolv.conf, and see if you are polling the right server
[06:40:34] leop18: I'm pinging fine and tracerout as well
[06:41:01] wagnerrp: are you running ubuntu?
[06:41:11] leop18: Ok I'll check resolv.conf
[06:41:21] wagnerrp: nevermind resolv.conf
[06:41:35] wagnerrp: if youre running ubuntu, the recent versions screwed up networking horribly
[06:41:42] wagnerrp: all network is done through NetworkManager
[06:41:52] wagnerrp: which doesnt run until you log into gnome
[06:42:05] wagnerrp: which means NTP, and any other network dependant programs that run on boot fail
[06:42:11] wagnerrp: because the network hasnt been brought up yet
[06:42:18] leop18: DNS is correct in the resolv.conf
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[06:46:36] wagnerrp: at0m: i claim shenanigans
[06:47:05] wagnerrp: one litre of gas provides 34.8MJ of energy
[06:47:17] wagnerrp: or roughly 10kWh
[06:47:28] wagnerrp: lets say they averaged a snails pace of 20kph
[06:47:30] wagnerrp: 8 hours
[06:48:07] wagnerrp: gives them roughly 1200W, or ~1.6HP to manage that on
[06:48:25] wagnerrp: now youre probably nearing the realm of possibility there
[06:48:35] wagnerrp: but thats assuming your engine is 100% efficient
[06:48:48] wagnerrp: and... current gasoline engines are closer to 30%
[06:48:58] wagnerrp: back in the 60s... they were a fair bit lower
[06:49:34] wagnerrp: and youre still outpaced by a long distance runner
[06:50:44] wagnerrp: the energy just isnt there
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[06:51:28] wagnerrp: thats also assuming theres no breaking and accelerating
[06:51:52] wagnerrp: with a gas engine, theres no regenerative breaking, so that energy is outright lost
[06:54:29] at0m: wagnerrp, i couldn't disagree on that. still looking into that page though, if only one could learn a bit from it eh
[06:54:58] wagnerrp: i dont see any rear tires
[06:55:05] wagnerrp: do they have a single one in the center?
[06:55:15] at0m: iirc, it's one center wheel at the back
[06:55:16] at0m: yea
[06:56:22] at0m: "it does not have the power to climb a slope or to stop/start at traffic lighs"
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[06:58:07] wagnerrp: so in other words, its a 1960s redneck version of the high efficiency 'cars' they compete with today
[06:58:13] wagnerrp: and about as useful as one too
[06:59:28] wagnerrp: im not sure i believe the 30mph
[06:59:33] at0m: http://www.race-cardrivers.com/Shell Opel.htm states why tey sold it – cos it's not practically useable. it was an experiment, and won the contest purely on efficiency/mpg
[06:59:43] wagnerrp: although if it could actually make that speed, it would take half an hour to get there
[07:01:41] at0m: re: the physics, i don't know squat about car engines. but you mentioning fuel efficiency, i thought this one was worthwhile :)
[07:02:08] wagnerrp: well the point still stands
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[07:03:18] wagnerrp: you cant advertise a little news tidbit about excessively high mileage, without mentioning that you could never manage that in a real-world scenario
[07:03:48] at0m: right. pulling up on city traffic lights kills consumption...
[07:04:11] at0m: or, consumtion efficiency eh
[07:04:13] wagnerrp: not so
[07:04:35] wagnerrp: toss in an induction motor, you can recover >90% of the electrical energy you put in
[07:05:05] wagnerrp: there is very little cost to breaking
[07:05:11] at0m: ok, electrically that'd be different, using engine as brake
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[07:06:32] at0m: btw, the netherlands are doing away with the "chicken or egg" problem, and are installing like 1000 charging points fo elec. cars
[07:06:42] at0m: *for
[07:06:45] wagnerrp: what for?
[07:07:35] at0m: well, their investigation revealed people don't buy them cos they cannot be charged easily. so they're installing charging points nation-wide
[07:07:42] wagnerrp: you have to have an absurd amount of amperage to charge an electric car in any sensible amount of time
[07:08:46] FlyOnThe1all: here's to waiting for capacitor-based batteries..
[07:09:05] wagnerrp: somewhere better than a megawatt to charge comparable to current gas fillups
[07:09:42] wagnerrp: i dont know how you can safely do that
[07:11:29] at0m: http://www.cmmn.org/nc/en/home.html
[07:12:42] wagnerrp: that thing is hideous
[07:13:14] at0m: in 10 years, they project to have 1 elec car/10 people (10^6 for the Netherlands)
[07:13:53] wagnerrp: hopefully they put a halfway decent motor in it
[07:16:06] at0m: "The Wiki views best in Mozilla Firefox" Yet they homepage is all screwed up in ff eh
[07:16:12] at0m: s/they/their
[07:17:53] at0m: if i understand correctly, they plan on having the cars throughout the city, a bit like the bikes in paris/lyon/brussels: insert bank- or prepaid card, take it and drop it at another point
[07:18:24] at0m: oki, time for some work :]
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[09:30:00] flexy: is the info at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 up to date?
[09:30:20] stuarta: yes, and very important to read :)
[09:30:28] flexy: I've followed the info there, but I get some errors
[09:30:55] stuarta: version?
[09:30:57] flexy: the break qFatal shows in gdb.log
[09:31:03] flexy: 0.21.fixes
[09:31:28] flexy: Function "qFatal" not defined.
[09:31:28] flexy: Breakpoint 1 (qFatal) pending.
[09:31:51] flexy: that's one obvious error, I think
[09:32:25] stuarta: what are you trying to debug?
[09:32:28] flexy: I thought about typo, tried without q, just Fatal. did not work better
[09:32:35] flexy: segfaults of mythfrontend
[09:32:50] stuarta: okay, then you don't need to worry too much about qFatal
[09:32:57] flexy: trying to get useful backtraces to developers
[09:33:10] stuarta: it turns qt warnings into fatals so you can trap where they come from
[09:33:25] flexy: ok
[09:33:31] stuarta: since you have a segfault, it's not relevant
[09:34:12] flexy: ok, what about following lines
[09:34:13] flexy: /home/mythtv/gdbcommands:9: Error in sourced command file:
[09:34:13] flexy: No registers.
[09:35:17] stuarta: did you build a debug version?
[09:35:26] flexy: yes, I followed the info
[09:35:31] flexy: to the letter
[09:35:50] stuarta: cause it's barfing on "thread apply all bt full"
[09:35:54] stuarta: which is a valid command
[09:36:03] flexy: hmmmm
[09:36:09] stuarta: unless you have something different on line 9
[09:36:37] flexy: no, that's the line
[09:37:36] flexy: configure --enable-vdpau --disable-audio-oss --disable-audio-arts --disable-audio-jack --disable-hdhomerun --disable-ivtv --enable-xvmc-opengl --enable-opengl-video --enable-opengl-vsync --disable-joystick-menu --disable-firewire --disable-dbox2 --disable-lirc --disable-directfb --compile-type=debug
[09:37:47] flexy: I used that line
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[09:54:00] neb_: hi all, i'm using mythvideo and when playing an mpeg2 clip i use about 15% cpu
[09:54:18] neb_: but if i try and skip it takes ages and uses ~102%
[09:54:33] neb_: any ideas as to how i can get this to seek a bit quicker?
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[10:04:13] flexy: stuarta: no idea on the barfing? what about the situation when I exit the mythfrontend normally, gdb says I did so, then says the *Error in sourced command file*no registers* and gets stuck there. So, the loop is not working, it gets stuck, and so does a plain command with no loop...
[10:04:32] gbee: neb_: run mythcommflag --rebuild --video /full/path/to/video.mpg
[10:05:02] stuarta: flexy: not atm, it's odd that it can't find the registers
[10:05:11] ** stuarta is a bit busy atm **
[10:05:20] flexy: stuarta: OK
[10:06:16] gbee: the qFatal bit is not an error
[10:07:16] neb_: gbee: unfortunately thats had no effect
[10:07:57] gbee: didn't think it would, but I was just saying that it's not a typo and should be left untouched in the commands file
[10:08:15] neb_: could it be that my cpu just doesn't cut it?
[10:08:31] neb_: it's a E2180
[10:08:59] gbee: what happens when you press E during playback?
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[10:11:18] neb_: gbee: it's says 'no seektable'
[10:12:36] gbee: then the mythcommflag line didn't work, sure you using the absolute path? Any errors from running that line?
[10:17:41] neb_: aha, thats improved things
[10:17:58] neb_: altho the length of the video is reported wrongly?
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[10:45:44] neb_: gbee: I'm trying some HD content now and i get 'pausing' every 2 secs and it pauses for about half a second before contining – any ideas?
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[10:55:55] gbee: AVC HD, or Mpeg2?
[10:58:57] neb_: hmm
[10:58:59] neb_: nasa_shuttle-r_m720p.hdmov: ISO Media, Apple QuickTime movie
[11:01:06] gbee: ffmpeg -i filename
[11:01:56] gbee: well just to be on the safe side, goto the playback profiles and enable threading for HD content (increase number of CPUs from 1 to 2)
[11:02:24] gbee: but a 2Ghz dual core might be too slow for AVC (h.264) playback
[11:10:02] neb_: ok cool
[11:10:08] neb_: good to know which knobs to twiddle
[11:10:40] neb_: whats the recommended deinterlacer?
[11:10:48] laga: if you're using ubuntu, you can also disable the loop filter there
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[11:34:03] Telebrett: anyone have trouble whereby a channel works in livetv, but attempting to schedule a recording fails with "The recording cannot be found"
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[12:09:50] k-man: im getting some issues where a recording fails, here is a log – http://pastebin.ca/1406015
[12:09:58] k-man: any ideas how to diagnose whats going on?
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[12:30:27] gbee: k-man: looks like a driver issue
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[12:34:26] leop18: I just wanted to check if DMA in enabled http://pastebin.ca/1406028
[12:35:29] leop18: could someone please help me with it
[12:36:31] neb_: ?
[12:37:17] leop18: if it's not enabled how would i enable it
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[12:39:14] k-man: gbee: what backend debug options should i set to get more info in the logs?
[12:43:28] k-man: its weird, it often fails to record the news at 7:30 with that problem but if i manually start recording on the same channel, i can't seem to replicate the problem
[12:43:40] k-man: even if I try to record on each tuner
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[13:01:04] neb_: mmm, I'm getting NVP: prebuffering pause
[13:01:10] neb_: i'm wondering if it's sound related
[13:02:28] k-man: gbee and xris, nice work on the mythtv site by the way
[13:03:52] marko_d: program guide can work without grabbers ?
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[13:09:54] rhpot1991: so, does anyone have passthrough working over hdmi sound, I get stereo sound just fine but any sort of passthrough just results in this loud static
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[13:15:54] gbee: k-man: Nova-T 500?
[13:17:25] marko_d: i have scanned the channels, but i have a lot of channels with static, no sound & bad picture
[13:17:55] marko_d: can i set the channels and view in real time ?
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[14:12:52] tmwsiy20121: does anyone have any intuition if a dual core atom with 2GB of memory is enough ummph for a back-end?
[14:13:06] tmwsiy20121: am using with an hd homerun
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[14:34:18] wagnerrp: tmwsiy20121: if you are doing digital recordings, certainly
[14:34:34] wagnerrp: digital recordings need enough 'umph' to do a file transfer at ~2MB/s
[14:34:54] stuarta: ie. a p3 in deep sleep is enough
[14:35:51] tmwsiy20121: :) thanks
[14:35:56] tmwsiy20121: what abot playback?
[14:35:56] wagnerrp: well in deep sleep, its not going to be doing anything
[14:36:02] wagnerrp: but heavily underclocked... sure
[14:36:26] stuarta: playback is where you need your cpu
[14:36:32] stuarta: and or gpu
[14:36:44] wagnerrp: and an atom will not manage HD mpeg2
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[14:37:11] wagnerrp: the dual core atom may be sufficient once the ffmpeg-mt stuff comes through
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[14:38:59] dsbomb: my backend claims to be watching LiveTV, but neither of my frontends are .. how could one force it to stop recording?
[14:39:09] stuarta: restart it
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[14:40:43] dsbomb: wierd .. I was at work, the house is empty when it started yesterday
[14:41:07] ** stuarta queues the spooky music **
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[14:44:20] gbee: suspect the idle timer has been broken somehow, my production frontend was watching BBC HD for most of yesterday
[14:44:32] gbee: think the cat stepped on the remote
[14:44:58] stuarta: i occasionally have my 0.21 prod backend stuck "recording" for several days, even tho it's not
[14:47:53] dsbomb: of course, mine was watching CBS-HD .. to eat up the hd space as fast as possible
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[14:48:53] iamlindoro: gbee, at least the cat is a picture snob
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[14:52:42] gbee: heh
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[14:54:36] Dibblah: gbee: Isn't that the not-enabled-by-default idle timer?
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[14:55:33] gbee: yup
[14:56:01] gbee: which before you ask should have been enabled, it was my contribution ;)
[14:56:03] ** stuarta senses a problem **
[14:56:51] Dibblah: One of your many, many contributions. It's hard to keep up ;)
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[14:59:02] gbee: just checked, still enabled, considered that it might have been lost when I messed up the DB last year
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[15:12:10] tmwsiy20121: so does myth-front end play 720p on appletv?
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[15:15:44] wagnerrp: that depends, what codec, bitrate, encode settings is said 720p?
[15:16:04] tmwsiy20121: I realize that is pretty meaningless to say, sorry...
[15:16:47] tmwsiy20121: I just wish i didn't have to work today!... get the wife and toddler out of the house and PLAY
[15:16:49] tmwsiy20121: im such a geek
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[15:26:23] tmwsiy20121: and a tight wad lol
[15:26:45] wagnerrp: still didnt answer the question...
[15:27:17] tmwsiy20121: I guess b/c I dont know the answer
[15:27:51] wagnerrp: basically, its got a 1GHz Crofton
[15:28:01] wagnerrp: which is a variant on the Dothan, the old P-M
[15:28:02] tmwsiy20121: I want to watch ota using an atom dual core as back end and appletv as front end
[15:28:45] tmwsiy20121: I just need to calm down and wait until I can actually get my hands on it
[15:28:50] tmwsiy20121: I appreaciate your patience :)
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[15:29:23] tmwsiy20121: just trying to plan in my head my attack plan
[15:29:30] wagnerrp: im going to say its a bit underpowered for OTA HD
[15:29:41] wagnerrp: now it does have a 7300go
[15:29:57] wagnerrp: so if youre running linux on it, you may be able to manage to get XvMC running
[15:31:00] tmwsiy20121: no currently I am running darwin with xbmc
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[15:31:20] tmwsiy20121: which I know there is a python plug-in that is used for myth playback
[15:31:28] tmwsiy20121: many possibilities
[15:31:45] tmwsiy20121: I just need something to get me by until I can swing another box for true hd playback
[15:33:25] wagnerrp: you might be able to play 720p mpeg2... that usually comes in around 13mbps around here
[15:33:49] tmwsiy20121: cant wait for those ion boards ;)
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[15:34:25] wagnerrp: understand that the atom is woefully underpowered
[15:34:39] tmwsiy20121: understood
[15:34:44] wagnerrp: the single core one will pump out less than that crofton chip
[15:34:58] wagnerrp: and hardware decoding in general doesnt play well with errors in the video stream
[15:35:22] tmwsiy20121: its a dual core atom
[15:35:33] wagnerrp: not that Acer box
[15:36:06] tmwsiy20121: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121359
[15:36:25] wagnerrp: and until the multithreaded ffmpeg stuff gets finished up, as far as mpeg2 is concerned, theyre all single core
[15:36:56] wagnerrp: this is a 945GC board, not an ION board
[15:37:14] tmwsiy20121: I thought that is what you werwe asking about sorry
[15:37:16] wagnerrp: the only ION device yet announced is the Acer AspireRevo
[15:37:22] wagnerrp: which has the single core 230
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[15:37:34] tmwsiy20121: I have not seen any ION boards yet.. .maybe just nothing coming up in my price range
[15:37:48] wagnerrp: nope, theyre not yet for sale
[15:38:09] tmwsiy20121: yeah I am planning on late summer early fall trying to talk the wife into an ion baseed front end :)
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[15:38:26] meshe: why ion based?
[15:39:01] tmwsiy20121: I want something low poer that has hdmi and can do h.264
[15:39:33] wagnerrp: just get a miniatx board, a cheap amd dual core, and a few GB of memory
[15:39:40] wagnerrp: and put it in standby when youre not using it
[15:39:41] gbee: and they are all the rage
[15:40:02] meshe: you're better at this point to not rely on hardware decoding, any glitch in the recording and the hardware decoder will flip out
[15:40:07] gbee: cool > good
[15:40:15] meshe: also only some codecs are supported
[15:40:32] wagnerrp: well all the codecs that matter are supported
[15:40:46] wagnerrp: h264, vc1, and mpeg2
[15:40:47] meshe: if you go for a C2D >= 2.4Ghz you can do everything on cpu and not worry about hardware support
[15:40:55] wagnerrp: if youre recording HD xvid, well thats your fault
[15:41:07] iamlindoro: Of course you're screwed the instant $nextBigThingCodec comes out
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[15:41:37] iamlindoro: ION = Epia all over again
[15:41:39] wagnerrp: well the next big codec wont be out for some considerable time
[15:41:45] iamlindoro: and VDPAU = XvMC all over again
[15:42:11] wagnerrp: considering bluray has a set spec
[15:42:19] wagnerrp: and theres nothing new on the horizon
[15:42:29] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Media isn't what drives what codec is needed, piracy is
[15:42:30] meshe: eg: the current gen mac mini can do 1080i on cpu using about 30W
[15:42:38] sid3windr: :))
[15:42:57] iamlindoro: All it will take is for the pirates to realize that Snow in NUT containers is cool and start sending that around, and poof
[15:43:21] wagnerrp: plus they can use vocabulary like 'wavelets'!
[15:43:29] tmwsiy20121: thats why ffmpeg is so cool... they will implement it for everyone else :)
[15:43:40] iamlindoro: tmwsiy20121: ffmpeg invented it
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[15:43:42] ** tmwsiy20121 loves wavelets **
[15:43:43] meshe: tmwsiy20121: sure, but not the hardware decoding part of it
[15:43:56] tmwsiy20121: true enough
[15:44:40] meshe: also *new DRM free method of buying movies online* decides to use a new codec... screwed
[15:44:54] ** meshe hopes for that day **
[15:45:17] ** iamlindoro pirates Star Trek in EA Wing Commander 3 Video Codec and torrents it **
[15:45:21] tmwsiy20121: all the more reason to spend as little as possible :)
[15:45:29] tmwsiy20121: on hardware
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[15:45:44] wagnerrp: you know, ive really not seen much in the way of benchmarks or visual comparisons for snow
[15:45:44] meshe: why, if you have a decent cpu you can handle it when the new codec comes out
[15:45:47] iamlindoro: Or spend marginally more once and net have to worry about it
[15:45:51] iamlindoro: measure twice, cut once
[15:46:08] iamlindoro: s/net/not/
[15:46:28] wagnerrp: meshe: there is that proprietary codec from RED, theyre demoing on their REDRAY
[15:46:45] wagnerrp: supposed to transparently manage some ~700:1 compression ratio over raw
[15:46:54] iamlindoro: Sounds like such BS
[15:47:02] gbee: isn't Redray the Chinese answer to Bluray?
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[15:47:14] meshe: i love the idea of the Mac Mini for HD frontends, but the price and the fact that I plan on having 4 frontends means i'm going to be pricing home built alternatives
[15:47:24] wagnerrp: its their little DVD writer
[15:47:30] iamlindoro: Redrum!
[15:47:41] wagnerrp: that they supposedly played 4K video at ~10mbps
[15:48:17] ** meshe ponders why someone would make a podcast that's not compatible with an i"POD" **
[15:48:18] wagnerrp: yeah, im suspicious of some new codec thats supposed to manage some 5x the efficiency of the next best thing available
[15:48:47] iamlindoro: meshe: Because it's open source and F**K YOU
[15:48:49] iamlindoro: ;)
[15:48:52] wagnerrp: but then ive never seen anything showing the capability of SNOW or other wavelet techniques
[15:48:59] iamlindoro: silly ogg monkies
[15:49:14] wagnerrp: i think jpeg2000 was wavelet-based, and that fizzled nicely
[15:49:28] gagbro: meshe: it'a because apple can't spell to iPET
[15:49:35] iamlindoro: Hahah, the MythTV cast opens with metal
[15:49:50] meshe: meh, wget $file; ffmpeg -i $file $file.mp3; scp $file mysite.com:/webroot/
[15:50:20] wagnerrp: seems dirac is wavelet based too
[15:51:08] iamlindoro: I have my doubts of a MythTV podcast by people having nothing to do with MythTV
[15:51:21] meshe: kinda hard to do from the iphone though which is where i first saw the link... make it mp3 and i could have checked it out on the road
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[15:52:59] gbee: wagnerrp: that might have had something to do with the lingering bad taste created by jpeg patent ambush
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[15:53:37] gbee: iamlindoro: mythtv cast?
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[15:53:52] iamlindoro: gbee: Posted to the users list
[15:54:08] ** gbee goes back to sleep **
[15:54:25] meshe: heh
[15:54:42] meshe: isn't it like 5pm there?
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[15:58:03] gbee: yeah, but it's been a slow day
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[15:58:39] rhpot1991: does anyone have passthrough sound working with hdmi on an ALC888 chipset?
[15:58:41] gbee: just sitting here going out of my mind with boredom
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[15:59:51] iamlindoro: If you'd like I can suggest fun projects for you ;)
[16:00:32] gbee: heh, got plenty to work on for myth, but just not in the mood for that just now
[16:00:44] unmanagedtn: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f2d2e576e
[16:00:45] gbee: s/just//
[16:01:15] unmanagedtn: so after much bashing my brains out I can get the audio to work on an old analog PCTV card
[16:01:26] unmanagedtn: I RTFM'd the booger out of it
[16:01:54] marko_d: unmanagedtn: wich kind of card
[16:01:56] marko_d: ?
[16:02:44] unmanagedtn: pinnicle emptyv ntsc bttv based card
[16:04:08] unmanagedtn: alsa sees the bttv driver and it matches whats in lspci.... and it does work in another OS (win) so I know its a config issue
[16:04:44] marko_d: unmanagedtn: i have an hauppage wintv pvr 150 card, and it didn't work even on windows, now it's fine randomly loose and gain noise
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[16:05:08] marko_d: unmanagedtn: that is an framebuffer card
[16:05:14] marko_d: ?
[16:05:14] unmanagedtn: Pinnacle PCTV is the correct
[16:05:21] meshe: marko_d: sounds like a problem with the card, i have 4 pvr 150s and they are great
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[16:05:39] wagnerrp: framegrabbers are the work of the devil
[16:05:42] unmanagedtn: framebuffer card as in no hardware encode yes
[16:05:52] unmanagedtn: but I get video just fine
[16:06:18] marko_d: meshe: yeah i got hauppage eeprom problem, couldn't install driver on windows
[16:06:43] marko_d: got it working with passing tuner=56,56 in modprobe.conf
[16:06:56] marko_d: unmanagedtn: AFA
[16:07:01] meshe: it's working now? cool
[16:07:09] unmanagedtn: AFA?
[16:07:16] marko_d: *AFAIK framebuffer cards are hard to setup
[16:07:18] meshe: the 150's have always been "just works" for me
[16:07:24] meshe: same with the 350's
[16:07:31] meshe: of which i have 2
[16:07:41] iamlindoro: framebuffer != framegrabber
[16:07:54] marko_d: iamlindoro: yeah, typo
[16:07:57] marko_d: :)
[16:08:09] wagnerrp: isnt that how youre supposed to set up the 500? two numbers?
[16:08:19] wagnerrp: i though the 150s just got a single value
[16:08:35] marko_d: wagnerrp: dunno
[16:08:43] marko_d: but i know it works now
[16:09:32] marko_d: when i bought it it worked for 2 hours, but after a reboot to see if it's all ok, the tunner didn't work
[16:10:05] marko_d: i brought it back to where i bought it by post, and it was at my uncle's
[16:10:54] marko_d: after like 10 months i got it back, and after 2 days trying it seems to work, i just get sound issues
[16:11:26] wagnerrp: are you running an extremely old kernel
[16:11:33] wagnerrp: like a 2.6.1x?
[16:11:42] marko_d: no
[16:11:45] marko_d: up to date
[16:12:02] meshe: yeah, that seems to be the only reason you'd need tuner=
[16:12:07] marko_d: 2.6.29
[16:12:21] marko_d: meshe: well without tuner i got
[16:12:40] marko_d: tveeprom 1–0050: Encountered bad packet header [ff]. Corrupt or not a Hauppauge eeprom.
[16:13:02] meshe: wierd, that should be in the kernel you have
[16:13:06] marko_d: and couldn't search channels with mythtv, kdetv or ivtv-tune
[16:13:27] marko_d: but with options ivtv tuner=56,56 it is fine
[16:14:28] marko_d: on windows with the driver cd i got "Could not find hauppage hardware"
[16:15:04] meshe: that definately sounds like a broken card ie: bad firmware
[16:15:19] meshe: which might explain your sound issues too
[16:15:30] wagnerrp: i had to tweek things to get my 150s running under older kernels
[16:15:45] wagnerrp: but since 2.6.20, its all been pretty much automatic
[16:15:52] marko_d: yeah, i think my uncle bought it from the same place from where he bought me an mp3
[16:16:32] marko_d: had to bring it back 3 times before they gave me a good one
[16:16:36] marko_d: meshe: yeah, can i flash it somehow?
[16:16:47] meshe: no idea, all of mine have just worked
[16:17:03] marko_d: k
[16:17:06] meshe: sorry
[16:17:08] unmanagedtn: Trying to figure out where mythbuntu holds its configs as far as modules go for the tv cards
[16:17:11] marko_d: np :)
[16:17:27] marko_d: unmanagedtn: dmesg
[16:17:35] meshe: i have 3 150s running, 1 still in the box, and 2 350's running they all just worked
[16:17:45] meshe: in mythbuntu
[16:17:54] unmanagedtn: no where the models get loaded
[16:18:07] marko_d: meshe: tried mythbuntu, same as on archlinux
[16:18:18] marko_d: unmanagedtn: dmesg says that
[16:18:37] marko_d: - the configuration it took to get mythtv running
[16:19:37] meshe: unmanagedtn: /etc/modprobe.d/
[16:20:45] unmanagedtn: bttv0: using: Pinnacle PCTV Studio/Rave [card=39,autodetected]
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[17:11:02] ugliefrog: i followed these instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 but when i press watch tv the menu dissapears for a moment then it reappears
[17:11:34] meshe: check your backend logs
[17:11:58] ugliefrog: where are they and what will it tell me?
[17:12:08] meshe: what distro?
[17:12:17] ugliefrog: ubuntu
[17:12:21] meshe: they will tell you why live tv is dying
[17:12:31] meshe: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
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[17:12:56] meshe: pastebin it at pastebin.ca if you want me to look at it
[17:14:01] ugliefrog: ok found log what am i looking for
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[17:14:49] meshe: every time i've had that issue, that log file has told me what it was
[17:14:54] ugliefrog: ok
[17:15:02] meshe: (usually file permissions on the recordings directory)
[17:17:08] meshe: you can do: tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log in a terminal and try "watch recordings" it will stream the logs for you
[17:17:14] LadyBug_eee: Are there known issues with DVD playback? My Mythbuntu (based on Hardy) has stopped playing certain DVDs.
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[17:17:30] ugliefrog: meshe: here it is http://pastebin.ca/1406307
[17:19:00] meshe: Error: Opening file '/home/ugliefrog/videos/1003_20090428120720.mpg' eno: Permission denied (13)
[17:19:13] meshe: check your permissions on that directory, make sure that the mythtv user can write to it
[17:19:26] ugliefrog: ok ill check that
[17:19:50] meshe: also, set your default channel on that capture card to a valid channel in mythtv-sestup
[17:19:56] meshe: er mythtv-setup
[17:21:34] sid3windr: mythtv-mashup !
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[17:24:24] ugliefrog: i have analog and digital on my dvb card I dont have an atenna for my digital side....so will add channel mess anything up
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[17:25:25] ugliefrog: wait a minute what would happen if i plugged my cable into the digital side....?
[17:25:34] meshe: no idea
[17:25:39] meshe: i'm on analog only
[17:25:40] ugliefrog: :)
[17:26:03] ugliefrog: analog means straight cable from wall
[17:26:05] ugliefrog: ?
[17:26:42] meshe: analog means analog only channels from the cable, you can also get digital from the same cable
[17:26:50] wagnerrp: ugliefrog: DVB has T, C, and S
[17:26:55] wagnerrp: terrestrial, cable, and satellite
[17:27:11] wagnerrp: unless your card specifically lists C, you will not be able to capture digital cable
[17:28:00] iamlindoro: But since you appear to be in Oklahoma, the odds of your card actually being DVB are slim
[17:28:18] LadyBug_eee: So, everybody else is happily playing all their DVD
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[17:28:27] iamlindoro: Much more likely it's ATSC/QAM using the DVB API
[17:28:28] LadyBug_eee: s in Mythtv?
[17:28:29] ugliefrog: i have digital cable but it runs through a box......but if i run it w/out box its regular cable
[17:28:43] sid3windr: the magic box
[17:28:44] meshe: LadyBug_eee: my dvd player plays my dvds fine, sorry, i don't use myth for them
[17:29:04] ** sid3windr plays them fine in myth **
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[17:30:12] _marko_d: when i mark an recording as deleted, when is it deleted ?
[17:30:16] LadyBug_eee: I can play some DVD's, but not all. And I know for a fact that playing used to work for all of them, even the Disney ones.
[17:30:24] wagnerrp: depends on some settings
[17:30:31] wagnerrp: you can have slow delete
[17:30:41] wagnerrp: and you can tell it to simply mark the recording for autoexpire
[17:30:45] _marko_d: wagnerrp: that was in mythtv-setup, right ?
[17:30:50] kormoc: Cardoe! How goes it?
[17:30:59] Quantumstate: I'm getting severe haltiness, but only on DishNetwork HD transport streams. I've about come to the conclusion that this is due to the ancient libavcodec that comes in mythtv-fixes.
[17:31:07] LadyBug_eee: And no, this is not a hw issue, I changed the DVD player and the behavior is the same.
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[17:32:28] Quantumstate: So, I grafted in the latest SVN ffmpeg libavcodec, libavformat and libavutil and compiled.
[17:33:07] ** iamlindoro pulls out his cookbook and looks up the recipe for fail **
[17:33:11] iamlindoro: oh yeah, there it is
[17:33:28] GreyFoxx: iamlindoro: Has janneg mentioned his plans if any for the next ffmpeg sync ?
[17:33:32] Quantumstate: It hauled ass through my new libs, but failed in soundtouch with: mmx_gcc.cpp: In member function ‘virtual long int soundtouch::TDStretchMMX::calcCrossCorrStereo(const short int*, const short int*) const’:
[17:33:53] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: I know he intends to get one more in before .22, but he has been waiting on the HWAccel API AFAIK
[17:33:59] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[17:34:02] Quantumstate: mmx_gcc.cpp:89: error: ‘mmx_t’ was not declared in this scope
[17:34:09] iamlindoro: Quantumstate: You cannot just drop new libav* into myth
[17:34:27] iamlindoro: there are dozens and dozens of spots where it is tweaked and customized for myth
[17:34:27] sid3windr: oh really, watch me!
[17:34:33] Quantumstate: Looks like it just needs an #include of some sort.
[17:34:41] iamlindoro: sid3windr: Well, I mean, you can do it, but only if you don't want it to compile ;)
[17:35:01] sid3windr: :>
[17:35:12] sid3windr: looks like Quantumstate got that far already, iamlindoro ;)
[17:35:19] Quantumstate: Trying to solve this haltiness...
[17:35:20] iamlindoro: so it appears, heh
[17:35:46] iamlindoro: You're not going to get anyone to talk you through doing your own personal ffmpeg sync
[17:35:59] iamlindoro: They are not trivial, and it's *not* just a matter of an include here or there
[17:36:22] iamlindoro: in fact, you've likely already made in incapable of functioning with myth by steamrolling over the demuxers with their custom changes
[17:36:26] Quantumstate: What to do then? Can't play HD sat transport streams.
[17:36:57] iamlindoro: Others seem to manage it fine
[17:37:04] kormoc: What's really awesome is, the first google hits for 'mmx_t' is what he wants
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[17:37:44] iamlindoro: kormoc: Heh, except now the MPEG demuxers are ruined by being overwritten with the upstream ones
[17:37:48] Quantumstate: Hm, don't use 'thatsearchengineeverybodyuses' for their atrocious pribvacy policies...
[17:37:51] iamlindoro: Which means no worky in myth
[17:38:03] meshe: lol
[17:38:07] ** kormoc laughs **
[17:38:12] sid3windr: rofl
[17:38:24] meshe: good reason to not use the best search engine
[17:38:27] wagnerrp: there is no privacy, there is only the google
[17:38:32] Quantumstate: clusty.com is better in many ways.
[17:38:41] iamlindoro: Mmm, lusty
[17:39:09] Quantumstate: it's a meta search engine (searches many others), and sorts hits, eliminating dupes.
[17:39:16] sid3windr: yeah
[17:39:24] _marko_d: is there support for resizing the window in windowed mode?
[17:39:26] sid3windr: and I guess it doesn't search google! ;>
[17:39:30] kormoc: hey, even clusty.com has the two resources in their top 10 that you need!
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[17:39:51] GreyFoxx: _marko_d: No, nothing in there at the moment
[17:40:05] _marko_d: k
[17:40:12] kormoc: and in the top 10 for yahoo... (get my point?)
[17:40:26] GreyFoxx: I gave up trying new search engines like 9 years ago when I started drinking the google koolaid
[17:40:28] Quantumstate: kormoc, I don't understand what you mean.
[17:40:56] Quantumstate: Yes I've found many mmx_t hits... but so?
[17:40:56] iamlindoro: That portends poorly for the self-fmpeg sync, then
[17:41:06] iamlindoro: s/fmpeg/ffmpeg/
[17:41:31] kormoc: Quantumstate, all the major search engines give you the development docs for mmx_t that goes over what it requires when you search for them. It's not always going to be a simple fix, and you didn't even attempt to solve it yourself....
[17:41:56] kormoc: Quantumstate, the ffmpeg/mythtv docs sites are the ones that go over what you need...
[17:42:15] Quantumstate: Understand that I am a real estate developer, not a coder. {ducks}
[17:42:16] kormoc: the whole, "Definition at line 34 of file mythtv/libs/libavcodec/i386/mmx.h." part
[17:42:48] kormoc: Ahh, you're the Seattle realtor guy...
[17:42:53] RyeBrye: wagnerrp: didn't you have an HDHR that needed to be power cycled ocassionaly? http://www.silicondust.com/downloads/hdhomeru . . . re_changelog the latest firmware has a fix that is supposed to "Fix situation where device could stop responding until power cycled."
[17:42:54] ugliefrog: OMG its taking forever to scan digital channels i dont have
[17:43:01] Quantumstate: Yeah.
[17:43:30] wagnerrp: RyeBrye: since last november, ive had to powercycle due to unresponsiveness once
[17:43:43] Quantumstate: I'll try to figure out what you mean, but I'm sure it will take a while.
[17:43:44] ugliefrog: once its finished how do u switch from the different inputs in the frontend
[17:44:06] wagnerrp: ugliefrog: theres an option to have the channels cycle through all the inputs
[17:44:13] wagnerrp: or you can go into the menu and change the inputs
[17:44:22] Quantumstate: iamlindoro, no one else has tried Dish HD transport streams.
[17:44:24] wagnerrp: or i believe there is a keyboard key that cycles inputs
[17:44:34] ** kormoc blinks **
[17:44:43] ugliefrog: wagnerrp: thanks....hope this works
[17:44:48] kormoc: so all the folks using dish are using?
[17:45:18] GreyFoxx: nothing since you can't record those directly without softcams :)
[17:45:24] kormoc: ooh!
[17:45:38] Quantumstate: There are only about 3 of us who can record sat in myth. (R5000-HD)
[17:45:45] kormoc: Then in that case, we're really done talking bout this
[17:45:52] GreyFoxx: ahhh ok R5000
[17:45:56] Quantumstate: Pure direct unencrypted TS.
[17:46:05] kormoc: GreyFoxx, did you ever hear back from the EFF?
[17:46:16] GreyFoxx: Daniel was gonna call them
[17:46:24] kormoc: ahh, right
[17:46:34] wagnerrp: does the r5000 follow channel subscriptions? or does it just unlock everything?
[17:46:45] Quantumstate: Follows sub.
[17:46:57] GreyFoxx: You have to have a valid sub for it to work
[17:46:57] kormoc: I meet Seth this weekend, and he was quite interested in myth stuff, he might be a good one to ping as well
[17:47:04] wagnerrp: i guess thats why it hasnt been closed off trac
[17:47:15] GreyFoxx: I think it's a great option though I don't know the legality of it in the US
[17:47:22] GreyFoxx: you guys and yer dmca and such
[17:47:25] Quantumstate: It'll record anything unencrypted like 5710 (HD test)
[17:47:51] Quantumstate: But will fail if an unsubscribed encrypted channel is attempted.
[17:47:52] GreyFoxx: In fact if it wasn't so expensive I likely would have done it to a pair of STB's here already
[17:48:07] Quantumstate: Oh the R5000 is marvelous.
[17:48:23] wagnerrp: wow... $560/unit
[17:48:27] Quantumstate: BUT HD TS is halty in Myth, even with strong hardware.
[17:48:40] GreyFoxx: wagnerrp: Or a lot cheaper if you are doing it yourself
[17:48:43] Quantumstate: And I've about concluded that it's due to the ancient libavcodec.
[17:48:44] wagnerrp: TS has no computational requirement
[17:48:56] RyeBrye: What bitrate TS is this?
[17:48:59] wagnerrp: its whats inside the TS that might require strong hardware
[17:49:08] Quantumstate: I paid like $350 and installed it myself.
[17:49:10] wagnerrp: DISH is using h264 now arent they?
[17:49:20] RyeBrye: VDPAU should handle that like a knife through hot butter
[17:49:21] wagnerrp: for their turbohd
[17:49:23] GreyFoxx: kormoc: I hope the eff can alleviate fears about it in the US. I'd love to see it in the app
[17:49:31] iamlindoro: Quantumstate: HUNDREDS of people have played Dish network TSs
[17:49:35] iamlindoro: If not thousands
[17:49:44] GreyFoxx: The softcam users certainly do
[17:49:55] Quantumstate: Here's a sample I recorded. I suspicion the problem is with broken TS... Myth is intolerant.
[17:50:00] Quantumstate: http://www.archive.org/details/Formula1_94
[17:50:39] GreyFoxx: which file is the original ? Mpeg1/ogg/mp4
[17:50:56] wagnerrp: so what is this? you just install a circuit board that taps into the digital circuitry on the STB, past the CAM?
[17:50:56] Quantumstate: Yes, Dish is full H.264/AVC, with a little extra flavoring for housekeeping.
[17:51:07] GreyFoxx: wagnerrp: yeah
[17:51:13] GreyFoxx: post cam/decryption
[17:51:28] Quantumstate: http://www.nextcomwireless.com/R5000/installation_vip211.htm
[17:51:41] wagnerrp: im surprised no one has done such a thing for cable boxes
[17:51:46] GreyFoxx: works of any motorol stb of any sort, and tons of others
[17:51:48] _marko_d: i have configured xmltv, how do i use it with mythtv
[17:51:49] Quantumstate: The R5000 taps into the guts of the ViP211 and sucks out the signal like a vampire.
[17:51:54] GreyFoxx: wagnerrp: lots of people use them for cable
[17:52:10] GreyFoxx: I've got 2 friends who have them locally on their motorola 6200 hd stb's with cable
[17:52:11] gbee: sed to be that myth was far better than ffmpeg at mpeg TS, a lot of custom fixes were written because we dealt with TS more than anyone else
[17:52:25] Quantumstate: iamlindoro **HD** TS... **HD** TS.
[17:52:41] iamlindoro: Quantumstate: I'm not blind, hundred (if not thousands) have played HD Ts's from Dish
[17:52:41] wagnerrp: so then it just comes down to the whole possible DMCA and violation of TOS stuff...
[17:52:43] _marko_d: think i found it
[17:52:56] GreyFoxx: wagnerrp: Yeah
[17:53:00] iamlindoro: Quantumstate: You're not breaking new ground, you know
[17:53:20] iamlindoro: Quantumstate: The R5000 patches have been around for ages, not to mention the thousands of sat pirates, all of whom seem to manage it
[17:53:55] Quantumstate: Never claimed I am breaking new ground.
[17:54:05] iamlindoro: "Quantumstate: iamlindoro, no one else has tried Dish HD transport streams."
[17:54:05] Quantumstate: I am rtrying to stop the haltiness.
[17:54:07] iamlindoro: Oh rly?
[17:54:09] GreyFoxx: Hmmm can you "google" the internet archive? :)
[17:54:32] iamlindoro: "no one else has tried" sure sounds like a claim to be breaking new ground
[17:54:36] GreyFoxx: I want to search for a friend of mines geocities page from back in 95–98
[17:54:39] Quantumstate: There are only about 3 of us who can record Dish, so OK I am breaking new ground.
[17:54:42] hadees: it took me a good 2 weeks to get TWC to give me firewire enabled boxes, i just ordered my cable tv from a great local company here that i couldn't get before because they only do certain areas and I'm getting a firewire enabled box after 45 mins and that included having to tell them all about the FCC reg and signing up for the service.
[17:54:47] iamlindoro: Quantumstate: Once again, wrong
[17:55:00] Quantumstate: OK, I am not here to argue.
[17:55:05] Dagmar: GreyFoxx: Well have at it, man. They're not down yet and Google searched them
[17:55:20] hadees: Grande Communications rules
[17:55:21] iamlindoro: Quantumstate: I have been around the block regarding myth, between the shady folks and the R5000 users, there are hundreds if not thousands happily recording and playing HD streams from Dish
[17:55:35] GreyFoxx: Dagmar: His geocities page went away a long time ago, but I was hoping to find and old copy from back in the 90's
[17:55:57] wagnerrp: the IA has only been around since the 2000s havent they?
[17:56:02] hadees: GreyFoxx, have you tried the wayback machine?
[17:56:08] ugliefrog: meshe: does analog work with myth tv
[17:56:10] Quantumstate: I'm not getting anywhere.
[17:56:12] iamlindoro: And a personal ffmpeg sync is *not* the answer, because there are probably less than half a dozen people who actually know what is needed to do that properly and still have myth work
[17:56:24] wagnerrp: ugliefrog: what card?
[17:56:26] GreyFoxx: yeah but I don't know the URL, so I'd want to search for keyboards/strings within the page :)
[17:56:26] hadees: GreyFoxx, http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
[17:56:32] Dagmar: Ah well, if it was on Geocities, it was probably crap
[17:56:38] Quantumstate: I am not here to bicker, and I refuse to cooperate if you want to.
[17:56:38] ugliefrog: meshe: wintv hvr 1600
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[17:56:43] wagnerrp: yes
[17:57:08] Dagmar: I see.
[17:57:17] Dagmar: You're here to argue with people telling you the truth, apparently.
[17:57:21] iamlindoro: Quantumstate: The correct way to solve your problem is first to check your frontend logs, and post them for people who know what they're looking for (with -v playback), or to try trunk, or to wait for .22
[17:58:04] iamlindoro: If your streams are broken enough that they won't play properly, then a) make sure you're not using VDPAU, b) improve your signal strength by repeaking your dish
[17:58:36] iamlindoro: It's not Myth's job to make diamonds out of horse poop, if the signal isn't good enough for the open source tools to overcome the breakage, you *must* improve signal strength
[17:59:18] _marko_d: http://www.gonix.net/nonametv/nowonchannel.ph . . . tv.gonix.net this is the online listing, i need to enter htv1.tv.gonix.net in XMLTV ID ?
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[18:02:10] iamlindoro: Guess he disagreed with my troubleshooting suggestions
[18:02:52] kormoc: So last time he was on the mailing list, he was posting from his companies domain and totally freaking out
[18:02:54] iamlindoro: Not that I can say from experience, but I'd guess if all the Scurvy satpirates were unable to play their TV with Myth, we'd hear a lot more about it
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[18:03:14] meshe: i'm not a coder, please walk me through recoding sections of myth to work with a new version of $dependency
[18:03:15] iamlindoro: kormoc: About this issue?
[18:03:34] iamlindoro: meshe: not to mention probaby one of the hardest maintenance tasks there are in the myth code
[18:03:36] kormoc: nah, something else, but even simplier
[18:07:13] ugliefrog: wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600....sorry i messaged meshe when u asked
[18:07:50] wagnerrp: ugliefrog: did you notice way back there, i said yes?
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[18:08:28] wagnerrp: and that page you links says analog works as well
[18:08:37] ugliefrog: wagnerrp: no i didnt Im sorry, still cant get it to work
[18:09:14] wagnerrp: ive never used one myself
[18:10:17] ugliefrog: hmm it just goes to black then back to menu.. maybe tvio would be cheaper
[18:10:29] wagnerrp: check your backend logs
[18:10:41] wagnerrp: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[18:11:14] iamlindoro: MythTV is not a project to build the cheapest possible DVR
[18:11:28] wagnerrp: mythtv is about flexibility, not price
[18:11:39] ** iamlindoro was halfway through typing that :) **
[18:11:39] ugliefrog: I know im just frustrated
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[18:12:53] ugliefrog: I changed the permission ........TFW, Error: Opening file '/home/ugliefrog/videos/1003_20090428124815.mpg'. Permission denied (13)
[18:13:27] _marko_d: anyone here from croatia ? :)
[18:14:05] wagnerrp: ugliefrog: are you running mythbackend manually? or through the init scripts?
[18:15:36] ugliefrog: wagnerrp: Im not sure what u mean...I go to system then to admin then on list is mythbackend and i clik it
[18:16:59] wagnerrp: yeah... im going to bow out on this one
[18:17:07] ugliefrog: lol
[18:17:16] wagnerrp: someone else who knows what ugliefrog is talking about can take care of this one
[18:17:43] ugliefrog: Everyone gives up.....no worries i got it up now...I dont have sound but i have a picture
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[18:18:08] wagnerrp: you starting mythbackend through some menu system means youre on a distro i have never seen
[18:18:16] wagnerrp: so... im not the ideal person to help you
[18:18:37] Josh_Borke: mythdora does that also. well, it stops mythbackend to run mythsetup and then starts mythbackend back up
[18:19:05] Dagmar: Looks like #mythdora gets to fix their mess then
[18:19:29] mchou: you guys crack me up
[18:19:38] mchou: mythbackend is a process
[18:19:38] ugliefrog: wagnerrp:sure u are its the leaning curve of the language u r using...thats all...i greatly appreciate the help :) how do switch channels
[18:20:05] mchou: who cares how it gets started, whether by menu or init?
[18:20:13] wagnerrp: if you run mythbackend through some menu system, likely that its using the init scripts, and mythbackend is running as 'mythtv'
[18:20:31] wagnerrp: so if your recording directory is in your home directory, mythbackend will not have permissions to write to it
[18:20:40] wagnerrp: however im thinking mythdora runs everything as root
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[18:21:03] wagnerrp: anyway, just use '/join <channel>'
[18:21:32] ugliefrog: I have picture now...fixed the permission thing...but i dont have sound....Switching channels in mythtv
[18:21:36] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: ISTR they run at least the backend as root
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[18:28:23] ** CyberKnet has never seen the R5000 before. **
[18:28:25] CyberKnet: Interesting.
[18:29:04] _marko_d: ugliefrog: what kind of card ?
[18:29:27] wagnerrp: if you dont have sound, thats an alsa problem
[18:29:38] wagnerrp: the 1600 captures sound automatically in the mpeg stream
[18:29:40] ** _marko_d is really unpolite :) **
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[18:29:58] tmwsiy20121: ive seen a RS/6000
[18:29:59] tmwsiy20121: lol
[18:30:10] ugliefrog: ok got sound old man error...now how do u change channels is there a site for the keyboard commands
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[18:31:16] iamlindoro: ugliefrog: You are capturing the output from a cable box?
[18:31:34] iamlindoro: If so, have you set up an IR blaster?
[18:31:59] ugliefrog: iamlindro: No its from cable from the wall
[18:32:28] wagnerrp: the wiki has a page listing all the keyboard commands
[18:33:39] iamlindoro: and the Wiki "Everyday use" page
[18:33:56] ugliefrog: How much space does it use for live tv... ok ill check that
[18:34:20] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Watch_TV
[18:34:30] iamlindoro: it uses as much as you tell it to
[18:34:39] iamlindoro: Bitrates on analog cards are set by the user
[18:35:11] iamlindoro: You *really* ought to attempt to find you answers in the manual before asking in here
[18:35:15] iamlindoro: at least for the basic use stuff
[18:35:45] wagnerrp: the IVTV cards default to 4400kbps
[18:36:04] ugliefrog: I will Im just excited it works
[18:36:06] Dagmar: Don't screw with the defaults until you're VERy familiar with things
[18:36:47] Dagmar: Coming back in here complaining that playback sucks when you've messed around with the encoding profiles is a good way to get ignored
[18:37:32] CyberKnet: Heh. I accidentally set my atrpms to bleeding, but I don't complain here. I made my bed, and so I now have to lay in it.
[18:37:51] CyberKnet: Menu's don't show up until you hit up/down ... but I deal with it.
[18:38:18] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: Which menus? Sounds like theme which is incompatible with MythUI
[18:38:38] CyberKnet: dialogs, but not the ones in playback.
[18:38:52] CyberKnet: ones in playback work fine.
[18:39:04] iamlindoro: Which dialogs? Qt dialogs, or MythUI ones?
[18:39:20] iamlindoro: I'd bet it's Qt dialogs
[18:39:30] iamlindoro: with a theme with an incompatible qtlook.txt
[18:39:47] CyberKnet: if you try to escape all the way out of Myth, and it asks if you are sure... that's an example.
[18:40:01] iamlindoro: Ah, that's a MythUI popup-- what theme?
[18:40:44] CyberKnet: Now there's a question I wish I could answer :)
[18:40:51] iamlindoro: Whassit look like?
[18:41:00] CyberKnet: blue, but it's not the Blue theme.
[18:41:03] iamlindoro: primary color, types of icons, layout
[18:41:10] iamlindoro: Blootube, mythcenter...
[18:41:10] CyberKnet: vertical menus
[18:41:18] CyberKnet: white text
[18:41:30] CyberKnet: maybe Iuilius
[18:41:38] iamlindoro: Giant photo watermarks on the left, or cartoony watermarks on the right?
[18:41:53] CyberKnet: yes, Iuilius
[18:42:11] CyberKnet: looked at the themes on the wiki to confirm.
[18:42:19] iamlindoro: OK, not MythUI compatible
[18:42:29] iamlindoro: I'd switch to Terra and see if the menus behave
[18:42:53] iamlindoro: Technically Iulius should fall back to default and have operational popups, but it's worth trying Terra to see
[18:43:05] CyberKnet: I've never tried Terra
[18:43:16] _marko_d: CyberKnet: myth svn, with qt4?
[18:43:18] CyberKnet: just looking at the screenshots now – that's a huge difference from what I am used to.
[18:43:40] CyberKnet: _marko_d: atrpms bleeding as of a few weeks ago, couldn't tell you more than that sorry.
[18:43:50] CyberKnet: I could later, but not right now – at work.
[18:44:06] _marko_d: k
[18:44:12] _marko_d: google is here :)
[18:44:14] CyberKnet: sorry about that.
[18:44:22] CyberKnet: Terra is very different – and nice.
[18:45:20] iamlindoro: As far as I know, the fedora bleeding packages are all trunk
[18:45:29] iamlindoro: eg http://atrpms.net/dist/f10/mythtv-0.22/
[18:45:32] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: I want to make sure that Jamu works when the Storage Group tickets are accepted. I found ticket #6457 and Changeset 20250. Are there any more changes I need to apply to test Jamu against? Jamu accesses the Myth data base to find out where to write downloaded graphic files.
[18:45:47] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux: Storage groups are already in myth
[18:45:54] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux: including for all videos and images
[18:45:57] iamlindoro: (in mythvideo)
[18:46:39] RDV_Linux: Test done! Thanks:-D
[18:46:58] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux: But I couldn't tell you whether Jamu is behaving properly with them, it would need to check the storagegroup table for the SG associated with the image in question (ie "Select * from storagegroup where sgroup = "Fanart") and pick one
[18:47:57] iamlindoro: and sorry, it would be more like SELECT * from storagegroup where groupname = "Fanart";
[18:48:09] iamlindoro: Then dirname would be a fanart dir
[18:48:13] RDV_Linux: My worry is that Jamu is assuming all storage locations are local and will not work with remote storage locations.
[18:48:22] iamlindoro: That is very likely true
[18:48:57] iamlindoro: Storage groups as they pertain to Images and MythVideo are still experiencing some growing pains
[18:49:26] iamlindoro: For right now I would just add the caveat that Jamu doesn't work with storage groups... doing it the old style will still work fine
[18:49:51] RDV_Linux: I will do that and keep an eye out for changes.
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[18:51:02] iamlindoro: It's something I'm repeatedly bashing my head against, but there's a looooooot of work left to be done to make all the legacy stuff work with storage groups
[18:51:22] sphery: die, legacy non-SG stuff!
[18:51:26] iamlindoro: It frustrates me with some regularity, and I've done some work towards fixing it, but it's just a ton of work on parts of myth I don't know well
[18:51:45] RDV_Linux: I am readying some significant updates to Jamu and wanted to cover off storage groups if possible. I will defer the remote storage group updates.
[18:52:18] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux: Yeah, I think you are definitely trying to do it the right way, I just don't have the answer to that particular problem for myself yet, let alone anyone else :)
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[18:52:51] iamlindoro: I hear sphery's back from vacation thouh
[18:52:53] iamlindoro: though
[18:53:08] iamlindoro: so I'm assuming he's sitting in front of $texteditor solving these problems
[18:53:28] iamlindoro: That or he's out of his mind on coke and booze
[18:53:30] iamlindoro: again
[18:55:21] RDV_Linux: With the next release (next few days) Jamu will be media source agnostic, but still handle the need for IMDB numbers for second source scripts. It was implemented without trying to store the IMDB number in the myth database or anywhere else for that matter.
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[18:58:49] CyberKnet: iamlindoro: fwiw, thank you for your work on SG. I personally appreciate it, and I know it makes a huge difference for a lot of folks using MythTV.
[18:59:41] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: That's not my baby, only thing I've really done with storage groups is extend them to work with MythVideo images... You can thank Captain_Murdoch for the core functionality and GreyFoxx for making them work with MythVideo videos :)
[18:59:49] iamlindoro: But I appreciate the appreciation nonetheless :)
[19:00:37] CyberKnet: aah, well... appreciation is sorely lacking these days. People do hard work with little thanks. I try to show my gratitude where I can. Even a thank you makes a difference sometimes.
[19:00:55] iamlindoro: Indeed it does, and thank you for saying so
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[19:01:32] _marko_d: + 1 on CyberKnet :)
[19:01:35] kormoc: "Thank you for saying thank you to my thank you!" "Thank you for saying thank you to me saying thank you to your thank you!"......
[19:01:41] CyberKnet: heh
[19:02:01] iamlindoro: kormoc: Trying not to be like some people who would just as happily take credit for other people's work... not naming names...
[19:02:06] CyberKnet: The most I've contributed is a farenheit/celcius patch to mythweb that I think isn't even being used any more. I have a lot of making up to do.
[19:02:20] kormoc: Heh, nah, I totally understand, was just amusing :P
[19:02:42] kormoc: CyberKnet, meh, you sold me tv tuners for a decent price, that counts for something :)
[19:02:48] CyberKnet: Oh, and themeable weather icon support in mythweb that I *also* think isn't being used any more.
[19:02:59] CyberKnet: kormoc: still using those?
[19:03:14] kormoc: Nah, moved on, but they're being used by friends still :)
[19:03:24] CyberKnet: glad to know that they're going strong.
[19:04:05] CyberKnet: I was glad to get into a PVR500, and out of the M179's – but only for PCI space considerations. I still wouldn't mind the video quality they captured at.
[19:04:32] kormoc: Yeah, moved to a LP-150 and now it's gonna be a HDPVR
[19:04:37] CyberKnet: although I will say that ivtv doesn't occasionally break for me like it did when I had the M179's ... running fringe hardware can bite sometimes.
[19:04:53] iamlindoro: I have a bunch of spare PCIe slots, and was thinking of buying a few more HVR-1250s, which I like quite a lot, but I already get everything I need to with two QAM tuners and can't justify more
[19:04:56] sphery: iamlindoro: back, but now trying to fix the Myth box (hardware) :)
[19:05:36] sphery: out of curiosity, is "reseating the HD-3000 card" a /fix/ or just delaying the inevitable
[19:05:37] CyberKnet: I had planned on firewire capture for my HD – but I couldn't find a reasonably priced firewire PCIe card that works. The one I bought from newegg doesn't work in linux like I thought it might.
[19:05:37] ** iamlindoro wonders when sphery's flood of patches will be coming in... **
[19:05:58] _marko_d: you guys use couple of backend boxes or put a "couple" of cards on a single box
[19:06:04] sphery: hey, your patch is the one they're asking for on the -users list... edit recording metadata in mythfrontend...
[19:06:22] iamlindoro: _marko_d: You can do either, but it makes better economic sense to cram as many into one backend as you can
[19:06:30] iamlindoro: sphery: Yeah, and thre you are volunteering me to get it done
[19:06:33] sphery: power is the killer
[19:06:33] iamlindoro: er there
[19:06:55] sphery: but at least I did it anonymously
[19:07:05] sphery: so they won't be yelling at you :)
[19:07:10] CyberKnet: iamlindoro: the HVR-1250 for ATSC is intriguing. Work well?
[19:07:17] iamlindoro: sphery: That's actually one I *could* get done, wouldn't be *that* tough to rip out of my other patches to PBB
[19:07:35] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: It works really well, there was literally no fuss involved in getting it working
[19:08:10] iamlindoro: Dropped in and worked out of the box on ubuntu, don't even recall needing to hunt down firmware
[19:08:24] wagnerrp: yeah, that card needs no firmware
[19:08:26] iamlindoro: wagnerrp has one and I believe he's been pleased also
[19:08:26] CyberKnet: What do you have antenna-wise?
[19:08:35] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: I'm using it for QAM
[19:08:38] wagnerrp: never had a bit of trouble with it
[19:08:52] _marko_d: i'm thinking of reusing my current box for media, i have tv out, just need ir reciever
[19:09:09] wagnerrp: when i first got it, i was using an older kernel and had to grab the dvb-v4l-hg package to build drivers
[19:09:20] wagnerrp: but anything in the last 5 revisions or so has it built in
[19:09:47] wagnerrp: dont expect to get analog or IR working though
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[19:10:17] CyberKnet: iamlindoro: unencrypted digital/hd channels from cable provider
[19:10:33] iamlindoro: sphery: Tell you what, I'll commit to having the metadata edit patch in within 48 hours of you having the SG move patch in
[19:10:40] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: Yep
[19:11:04] CyberKnet: iamlindoro: I see. very attractive.
[19:11:28] CyberKnet: wow, and cheap.
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[19:11:58] iamlindoro: Yeah, it's nice and inexpensive
[19:12:10] sphery: iamlindoro: so, if you had seemingly-random recording failures on one backend with no files written due to no data being received from the card and then were unable to reproduce after reseating the card, would you consider the problem solved?
[19:12:10] CyberKnet: I may get one of those for my birthday and try it out. I expected it to be $150+
[19:12:25] sphery: don't think I can promise the SG move patch that fast... :)
[19:12:37] iamlindoro: sphery: Solved for now anyway
[19:12:48] iamlindoro: sphery: No, I'm saying I'll get mine in 48 hours after when you get *yours* in
[19:13:01] iamlindoro: sphery: For that, I'll give you up to 72 hours
[19:13:04] sphery: iamlindoro: oh, I hoped it would be done before 0.24...
[19:13:16] iamlindoro: 1.0 baby!
[19:13:19] sphery: but if you're waiting for my patches...
[19:13:27] sphery: guess I'll see how tonight's recordings go.
[19:13:36] wagnerrp: SG move is something to automatically migrate data between disks?
[19:14:00] wagnerrp: or just menu options for it?
[19:14:06] sphery: if I get failures, maybe I'll just buy that all-new backend with new low-tdp cpu and low-power chipset and on-board SATA and throw in a couple of new HVR-1250's
[19:14:06] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: The former
[19:14:36] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: sphery has been promising me the patch, and I need it to "properly" finish off my Watch Recordings->MythVideo export patch
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[19:14:39] sphery: wagnerrp: including when disks are only accessible by other hosts (i.e. can move from host-to-host, too, even without NFS)
[19:16:30] CyberKnet: iamlindoro: thanks for pointing me in the direction of the HVR-1250... I believe I'll give that one a try. Very nice to hear about.
[19:16:59] sphery: NightMonkey: were you the one I was talking to about VBI data output? The one to whom I recommended mythfrontend -v important,general,vbi and watching the logs as you play back recordings (and, if desired, taking the code that outputs the VBI text to the log and writing some near-identical code to output it to the file of your choosing?
[19:17:37] iamlindoro: CyberKnet: no problem
[19:18:36] NightMonkey: sphery: Oh, maybe? I might have asked about it a while ago.
[19:18:53] iamlindoro: Which, by the way, would be a grep for "VERBOSE(VB_VBI"
[19:21:10] sphery: NightMonkey: if so, I'd recommend ^^^ :)
[19:21:11] NightMonkey: sphery: I'd like to be able to do it without playback, more like a user job that extracts the data and does stuff with the text. Perhaps extract it and then create a subdirectory with the text with the same filenames as recordings.
[19:21:12] iamlindoro: You could even get fancy and edit NuppelVideoRecorder to output .srts
[19:21:37] sphery: you'd still need to do the decoding/playback--just not necessary to the screen/speakers
[19:21:47] sphery: so, something akin to what mythcommflag does
[19:21:57] sphery: necessarily
[19:22:04] NightMonkey: sphery: Yes, or even a transcoding-type job.
[19:22:13] sphery: guess it was time to get il, and I didn't notice
[19:22:23] BadSector1: Can you only record 1 channel per tuner card?
[19:22:42] wagnerrp: analog, yes
[19:22:49] wagnerrp: assuming the tuner card only has one tuner
[19:22:49] iamlindoro: For analog tuners, yes. For digital tuners, myth can record multiple channels *only* when they are in the same multiplex
[19:22:58] NightMonkey: sphery: But you're right, mythcommflag would probably be the best model, yes.
[19:23:08] wagnerrp: each digital channel can hold multiple subchannels
[19:23:19] iamlindoro: Not even model, just build it in to mythcommflag, probably as part of seektable building
[19:23:32] iamlindoro: so that it rebuilts the .srt after a commercial cut
[19:23:33] BadSector1: ah... so and older tuner card would not have this digital ability?
[19:23:55] wagnerrp: only if it says its a ATSC/QAM/DVB tuner
[19:23:59] iamlindoro: If it's not a digital tuner, it won't have the digital tuner's abilities :)
[19:24:06] sphery: iamlindoro: how hard is it to learn srt format?
[19:24:20] iamlindoro: sphery: AFAIK it's just a text file of timestamp – text
[19:24:32] sphery: nice
[19:24:51] NightMonkey: iamlindoro: Nice. Ah, is ".srt" a standard file format?
[19:24:56] iamlindoro: it's numeral – timecode – Message
[19:24:57] BadSector1: lol, ok will have to check.. looks cool though... do most of you guys use a Digital one? Seems like an analog would be way too limiting... like a vcr.. can only watch what is recording ect..
[19:25:00] iamlindoro: NightMonkey: Yes
[19:25:16] wagnerrp: BadSector1: most of us use multiple tuners
[19:25:17] iamlindoro: 5
[19:25:18] iamlindoro: 00:01:15,541 --> 00:01:18,101
[19:25:18] iamlindoro: My...
[19:25:23] iamlindoro: That's one entry in an SRT
[19:25:25] sphery: subrip
[19:25:29] NightMonkey: iamlindoro: OK, I'll google for it.
[19:25:32] sphery: nope...
[19:25:43] BadSector1: wagnerrp: ..they pricey?
[19:25:54] iamlindoro: so it's a serial number (1, 2, 3, etc.), then the time range in that format, then the text, each on a line
[19:25:58] wagnerrp: framegrabbers are dirt cheap
[19:26:07] wagnerrp: mpeg cards are usually $30
[19:26:12] wagnerrp: digital cards usually start at $50
[19:26:13] iamlindoro: I'm sure there'd be tons of people that would appreciate an automatic SRt output
[19:26:22] sphery: and, with the framegrabbers, you get what you pay for (not much of anything)
[19:26:27] BadSector1: i c.. thx for that info
[19:26:31] NightMonkey: iamlindoro: Ah, vlc does it, among many others. Thanks!
[19:27:09] BadSector1: I think i have like 3 old tuner cards laying around though.. I will start w/ them first... any idea on a suggested HD size?
[19:27:14] NightMonkey: Heh, so many links to "How do I play .srt files?"
[19:27:27] iamlindoro: NightMonkey: Myth uses SRTs too
[19:27:45] sphery: Guess subrip /is/ the name of the SRT file format: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubRip
[19:27:45] NightMonkey: iamlindoro: Oh, it does?!?
[19:27:56] wagnerrp: standard resolution is usually 2–6mbps
[19:27:59] iamlindoro: NightMonkey: Yes, it just doesn't *write them* (until you're done)
[19:28:12] BadSector1: wow... per sec..
[19:28:12] wagnerrp: high definition is usually 14–19 mbps
[19:28:26] BadSector1: lol.. ok.. so my old little drives won't be much help
[19:28:30] wagnerrp: note, thats mbps, not MBps
[19:28:35] NightMonkey: iamlindoro: Done with what process?
[19:28:37] sphery: BadSector1: bits, not bytes
[19:28:39] wagnerrp: megabit, bit, BIT
[19:28:53] iamlindoro: NightMonkey: In mythvideo, you have file.avi, and file.srt, and you press "T" to play back the video with subtitles
[19:29:00] sphery: it's a /bit/ less space that way
[19:29:01] wagnerrp: multiply by 450 to get GB/hr
[19:29:02] BadSector1: ah
[19:29:04] iamlindoro: T while playing back, that is
[19:29:30] sphery: wagnerrp: 450 for MB/hr, right?
[19:29:42] wagnerrp: err.. yeah
[19:29:45] NightMonkey: iamlindoro: Ah, mythvideo. So, mythvideo can parse it.
[19:30:08] iamlindoro: NightMonkey: The Internal player can parse them, aside from MythVideo
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[19:30:17] sphery: otherwise, I'd need an emergency storage upgrade...  :)
[19:30:18] iamlindoro: It's not MythVideo that does it, but Myth's player
[19:30:20] wagnerrp: so figure standard definition is usually ~2GB/hr, high definition is 4–7GB/hr
[19:30:22] BadSector1: around 2.7 gigs for a 6mbps stream for 1hr... if math is riht lol
[19:30:29] wagnerrp: yes
[19:30:40] wagnerrp: so size your hard drives accordingly
[19:30:41] BadSector1: awesome... i can't believe i havn't tried this before...
[19:31:24] NightMonkey: iamlindoro: I see.
[19:31:59] iamlindoro: NightMonkey: So all *you* need to do is teach the recorder/commflagger to output SRT format files
[19:32:16] sphery: iamlindoro: I have a feeling that my tuner will fail, again, this time affecting Fringe, and I'll be stuck watching it on Hulu (like I did the last 10 minutes of the American-Idol'ed one)
[19:32:37] iamlindoro: sphery: I had 24 fail on me last night, but the news right after was fine-- anxious that the same will happen to me
[19:32:51] iamlindoro: sphery: On the plus side you'd be watching it without hurricane warnings ;)
[19:33:19] BadSector1: Also... MythTV will only get its feed from the tuner card, or can you input to it other video streams, or even internet streams?
[19:33:26] NightMonkey: iamlindoro: Great. Now to parse the code... ;)
[19:33:46] wagnerrp: yes
[19:34:26] BadSector1: interesting. :)
[19:35:05] wagnerrp: internet'
[19:35:18] wagnerrp: 'internet' is limited to a specific type of stream
[19:35:29] wagnerrp: usually only found in IPTV services
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[19:38:47] sphery: iamlindoro: yeah, but since none of my systems can handle flash-player-based video playback at full screen (since that's all unaccelerated--i.e. scaled on the CPU, TTBOMK), I'll actually be watching it in a much smaller window than with the warnings :)
[19:40:09] BadSector1: thx for the help.. cya
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[19:41:36] _marko_d: i'w set up mythtv to record couple of shows, have 5 gigs free disk space and 4 gigs in my mythtv folder and the shows are like 3 hours (mpeg pvr 150 stream)
[19:42:19] _marko_d: if i run out of space it should delete deleted stuff from it?
[19:42:43] iamlindoro: If you are using the deleted group, yes, it will expire from there first
[19:43:05] iamlindoro: then it will expire your autoexpire-eligible stuff with lowest priority and by age
[19:43:20] iamlindoro: Best solution is to clear up more space, that's cutting it awful close
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[19:43:32] _marko_d: you mean default
[19:43:53] dustybin: how about a mythtvIRC plugin, watch TV and IRC at the same time :P
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[19:45:14] sphery: LiveTV expires first, then Deleted, then other, as appropriate based on the auto-expire settings
[19:45:43] sphery: so, iamlindoro is exactly right if you use your Myth box properly :)
[19:46:48] _marko_d: i have 2 unused partitions, one iatkos and one mythbuntu, could use that for mythtv
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[20:09:39] tmwsiy20121: does anyone know which myth distro has the largest userbase/most active (if both of those traits apply to the same one)
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[20:10:09] kormoc: why does it matter?
[20:10:32] iamlindoro: *Probably* Mythbuntu, but it really doesn't matter, as kormoc mentions, they all have plenty
[20:11:01] tmwsiy20121: it matters a ton in most projects
[20:11:04] tmwsiy20121: momentum and all
[20:11:11] Wicked: yea. mythbuntu seems to be pretty good. they have a nice gui for installing front/back ends and plugins and stuff.
[20:11:12] ** kormoc raises an eyebrow **
[20:11:40] laga: momentum? are we talking physics here?
[20:11:42] tmwsiy20121: I just know in geneal when I evaluate a project to start using that is a question that is at the forefront
[20:11:53] kormoc: Mythtv is officially un-affiliated with the myth oriented distributions. we're distribution agnostic and thus, don't really keep track
[20:12:01] tmwsiy20121: good indication of longevity, new features, bug fixes, etc
[20:12:07] kormoc: of distros?
[20:12:09] ** kormoc blinks **
[20:12:14] tmwsiy20121: of any project
[20:12:58] meshe: well, ubuntu and fedora are very on top of things, and they don't make a myth distro for centos...
[20:13:00] kormoc: but why would distros wrapped around a singular project matter at all to that project?
[20:13:22] kormoc: Distros come and go, projects go on and on and on...
[20:13:54] meshe: if you decide to change distro's just backup your recordings and db and restore in the new distro
[20:14:03] kormoc: Exactly
[20:14:33] meshe: personally i always recommend ubuntu/mythbuntu for ease of use deb>rpm
[20:14:46] tmwsiy20121: whether or not you agree with my assesment metrics, thanks for your input
[20:14:49] tmwsiy20121: :)
[20:14:53] kormoc: That's like saying pidgin is gonna die any day now because there are no distros that ship special version around it...
[20:15:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[20:15:22] tmwsiy20121: ditto :)
[20:16:25] kormoc: tmwsiy20121, this is a *much* better indication of health, http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/analyses/latest
[20:16:34] kormoc: also look at contributors, commits, etc
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[20:18:58] iamlindoro: It is, however, not a good assessment of what lanugage Myth is in :)
[20:19:00] iamlindoro: language
[20:19:10] ** kormoc blinks **
[20:19:35] kormoc: ooh, hehe
[20:19:36] iamlindoro: kormoc: meaning ohloh thinks Myth is in XML :)
[20:20:09] iamlindoro: just like that one time I^H^H^H^H^H some guy totally rewrote myth in a thousand lines of perl
[20:20:15] tmwsiy20121: lol, I remember having a boss that wanted us to rewrite this application in XML... because that is where EVERYTHING is heading
[20:20:17] tmwsiy20121: lol
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[20:21:34] gbee: awww man, you mean paying £1500 for that course on XML was a waste of time and money?
[20:21:52] meshe: hmmm, is XML actually a programming language now? ;)
[20:21:55] kormoc: nawl, you'll make it up in 2045 when you're the only one with xml knowledge
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[20:23:19] meshe: i guess that's like people programming in HTML
[20:24:51] iamlindoro: Numerous people drop in here calling themselves HTML programmers
[20:25:45] meshe: thats awesome, nothing wrong with someone giving you a good laugh once in a while
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[20:26:41] tmwsiy20121: no they are "web developers".... makes css and html monkeys feel better about having to make that stupid box look the same in 10 browsers
[20:26:43] tmwsiy20121: lol
[20:26:46] ** gbee strikes another line from his CV **
[20:27:30] ** kormoc blinks **
[20:29:22] iamlindoro: gbee: You can strike "undercover lover" and "nude coed wrangler" while you're at it
[20:29:39] gbee: next you'll tell me that knowing where the on/off switch is on a computer doesn't make me a Master Systems Technician
[20:30:14] kormoc: I'm just amused that I'm a 'css and html monkey'
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[20:30:22] tmwsiy20121: if you work for the government and have been there for some time then it probably does
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[20:31:21] iamlindoro: gbee: I see you've been reading the Newegg product reviews
[20:31:21] tmwsiy20121: kormoc: is that all you do?
[20:31:26] kormoc: I'm hoping that tmwsiy20121 has some *impressive* credentials to be talking smack about everyone...
[20:32:08] kormoc: tmwsiy20121, web development? Mainly. just a few hundred thousand lines of code, multi-t database systems, millions of unique visitors, etc
[20:32:21] kormoc: that's all under the 'web development' umbrella
[20:32:25] ** gbee goes crazy looking for his bottle opener, again **
[20:32:36] tmwsiy20121: umm def did not mean to call you out, had no idea that you would classify yourself as such... was just riffing onthe html programmer comment
[20:32:52] gbee: when I find it this time, I'm tying it to the drawer
[20:33:08] tmwsiy20121: but seriously in my last job that is how the titles went
[20:33:59] tmwsiy20121: anyone who wrote actual logic was a application developer and anyone who just did html and css was a web developer... kinda arbitraty and def misleading but how thigs were setup none the leess
[20:34:09] iamlindoro: !seen logic
[20:34:10] MythLogBot: logic has not been seen here
[20:34:37] gbee: !seen my mind
[20:34:37] MythLogBot: my mind has not been seen here
[20:35:01] gbee: umm
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[20:35:35] tmwsiy20121: kormoc: if I offended I am truly sorry
[20:35:40] iamlindoro: !seen helpful, patient, cheerful cooperation
[20:35:40] MythLogBot: helpful, patient, cheerful cooperation has not been seen here
[20:37:53] kormoc: tmwsiy20121, ooh, I don't really care, was just tossing wood on the fire so to speak
[20:38:27] kormoc: tmwsiy20121, I've always seen it as web developers are anyone targeting a browser, applications are targeted towards an os
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[20:39:18] tmwsiy20121: that makes more sense to me as well... guess I just got used to breaking it down that way b/c of work
[20:39:24] meshe: we have web developers and web designers, the former write software, the latter write the HTML, CSS, create images, basically manage the whole feel of the site
[20:39:38] tmwsiy20121: see we had web desiners too
[20:39:41] meshe: i'm in the former, i make things work, but i don't make them look good
[20:39:53] tmwsiy20121: but they just did photoshop literally just he design
[20:40:04] yfaykya: I have a video that plays fine on one frontend but the sound is all screechy on another frontend. Where should I look to debug?
[20:40:12] tmwsiy20121: then the web developers took that and ran through image ready and htmlified it
[20:40:29] kormoc: tmwsiy20121, we call those guys (designers) User Experience Designers
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[20:41:23] Dagmar: I prefer to call them "The people who need to have the difference between Photoshop and actual HTML beaten into them"
[20:42:28] tmwsiy20121: yfaykya: does the one with the myth issues otherwise play soudn ok?
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[20:42:47] yfaykya: hmm.. http://www.pastebin.ca/1406578
[20:42:59] yfaykya: tmwsiy20121 : yeah
[20:45:16] tmwsiy20121: hmm, hoping it would be that
[20:45:17] tmwsiy20121: lol
[20:45:30] iamlindoro: Ummmm yeah, I'm definitely going to release my theme early because JYA asks for it. Not.
[20:46:03] laga: iamlindoro: why? he released VDPAU support early
[20:46:16] iamlindoro: heh
[20:46:31] iamlindoro: Well I'll release the theme when he gets MythUI backported, then ;)
[20:46:46] meshe: hahaha
[20:47:05] laga: can i see that reply on the ML? :)
[20:47:50] iamlindoro: heh
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[20:53:41] gbee: the 'P.S.' wasn't passive aggressive
[20:54:08] iamlindoro: yeah
[20:54:57] iamlindoro: Tried to be friendly, would like to see the list take off, even if that means being nier than I should to him
[20:54:59] iamlindoro: er nicer
[20:55:09] laga: ah, the theming ML?
[20:55:20] wagnerrp: well at least hes contributing something new this time
[20:55:39] wagnerrp: assuming hes not going to wholesale copy-paste from someone else's theme
[20:55:48] iamlindoro: laga: yeah
[20:56:51] gbee: is he? so far all he's done is ask what other themes he might try
[20:57:38] iamlindoro: gbee: This is why I think my offer to post XML for anything he points out is a happy medium way to keep it on topic :)
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[20:57:58] gbee: this coming after he has criticised Terra on more than one occasion
[20:58:26] gbee: which would be fine if I hadn't already developed a dislike for the guy
[20:58:52] wagnerrp: constructive? or just bad-mouthing?
[20:59:01] iamlindoro: whining
[20:59:08] RyeBrye: I've been using Terra as my main theme for a while
[20:59:10] gbee: and Terra wasn't far from being finished (committing to SVN before it was complete was a mistake)
[20:59:15] iamlindoro: 100% "This sucks" and no "This sucks, how about this"
[20:59:34] RyeBrye: it's better than the rest of the themes in there atm
[20:59:47] iamlindoro: Yep
[20:59:56] gbee: nah, it's rubbish
[21:00:28] gbee: but that's not the point, he hasn't earnt the right to say it ;)
[21:00:33] iamlindoro: gbee: What do *you* know about Terra?  ;)
[21:00:36] wagnerrp: are all you brit themers so self-denigrating?
[21:00:49] iamlindoro: yes, why can't you be self-aggrandizing like us Americans?  ;)
[21:00:59] meshe: i'm using Terra, i just need to figure out location/filenames of the images needed for mythvideo
[21:01:19] meshe: haven't had the time to dig into it yet
[21:02:14] gbee: wagnerrp: just not all that happy with it, it was my first concept and rushed out to demo the new features, I'm much happier with the ideas I've had since I created it
[21:03:27] iamlindoro: I think it looks great, I know that we're all our own worst critic
[21:03:31] gbee: as a demo of the new UI I don't have a problem with it, but I painted myself into a corner with the design and didn't consider how things like fanart would fit into the design
[21:03:48] iamlindoro: gbee: You can be forgiven for that, there was no such thing when you started
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[21:04:11] gbee: iamlindoro: true
[21:04:22] meshe: i think it looks great
[21:04:36] skimj: kormoc, I'm working on mythweb to "only show unwatched". I would like to omit my "NeverRecord" selections as well. This works for me: http://diff.pastebin.com/m3c74eca8 any reason not to include NeverRecord?
[21:04:40] wagnerrp: i figured it was as much a learning tool for you as anything else
[21:04:51] wagnerrp: to help with the ui changes
[21:05:05] wagnerrp: figure out what worked, what didnt, what could be improved
[21:05:28] kormoc: skimj, That'd be fine, I just never use 'neverrecord' so I didn't think bout it. Feel free to create a ticket with that :)
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[21:06:18] skimj: I use it extensively with my favorite series Simpsons, Family Guy, etc. very handy
[21:06:40] gbee: wagnerrp: it did help in that respect, but I could have done all that without tying myself to one particular style/colour scheme
[21:07:44] skimj: the next thing that I'm trying to figure out is how to exclude "generic" shows in the same way. I see the code above that adds this as an extra search but then it doesn't work with my canned searches.
[21:08:23] Essobi: hmm... looks like MythVodka is a wash for me..
[21:08:43] iamlindoro: gbee: The next message from JYA definitely shows he's only interested in playing
[21:09:07] iamlindoro: "Plus I'm good at finding bugs (another hint) :)"
[21:09:11] iamlindoro: DO NOT WANT
[21:09:17] Essobi: Hulu is broken, BBC/Channel4 is UK only.. and the "NZB streaming" from what I can tell in the code is actually just a front end to a NZB queue.. heh.
[21:10:26] wagnerrp: what frustrating issues with the database have there been?
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[21:11:45] iamlindoro: no idea
[21:12:07] Essobi: anyone else interested in being able to stream a NZB from a usenet server? I've seen two programs do this thus far but both for windows..
[21:12:41] iamlindoro: Won't ever be an official myth plugin if you write such a thing
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[21:13:07] Essobi: iamlindoro: *SHRUG* I know how to make packages. :)
[21:13:19] gbee: I'd love to know what he means by usable
[21:13:23] iamlindoro: It's also not welcome/allowed discussion here
[21:13:26] Essobi: iamlindoro: and why not? There's lots of valid, uncopyrighted content on Usenet..
[21:13:26] wagnerrp: video on usenet is almost entirely in violation of something
[21:14:25] iamlindoro: Essobi: Read the channel rules page on the wiki-- for the exact same reason that bittorrent discussion isnt' allowed here
[21:14:32] iamlindoro: and before anyone get's started, it isn't a debate
[21:14:36] iamlindoro: er gets
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[21:14:39] Essobi: ....
[21:14:46] gbee: people still use usenet? gave up on it ten years ago and that was a decent 5 years after everyone else had
[21:15:11] Essobi: gbee: ROFL.. 365+ day rention on servers now.
[21:15:21] Essobi: gbee: So... yea.. they do.
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[21:15:46] wagnerrp: thats just because there is so little being put up anymore, the servers can afford to hold onto the data for that long
[21:15:56] Essobi: ...
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[21:17:20] gbee: I find it hard to believe that usenet participation is anything more than 10% of what it was in the 90s
[21:18:15] Essobi: Actually, it's surpassed it if you consider the content now.. 1080i/blueray is monsterous compared to floppies and isos.
[21:18:29] gbee: and I can't be the only one, several major ISPs have dropped their usenet services in the last couple of years citing no demand
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[21:18:43] wagnerrp: and thats why there will never be an official plugin to access that content
[21:18:53] gbee: content != users
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[21:20:05] gbee: I can well imagine that binary newsgroups are probably all that is left ... piracy and porn, the last refuge of a dead protocol
[21:20:25] laga: how is that porn not pirated?
[21:20:39] gbee: readers wives?
[21:20:43] wagnerrp: well you have all those youtube porn clones
[21:20:51] laga: gbee: *shiver*
[21:21:06] wagnerrp: and then you have child porn, no one is going to dare try to copyright that
[21:21:23] Dagmar: Mainly the problem there was lack of enforcement
[21:21:29] Dagmar: The whole of Usenet was overrun with spam
[21:21:32] gbee: laga: blow up dolls mostly
[21:21:46] Dagmar: We needed to start killing spammers, but no one was willing to make it happen
[21:22:06] kormoc: gbee, you managed to take what I thought was the bottom of the pit and expose a whole new level...
[21:22:28] iamlindoro: gbee: Anyway, don't see any point in responding further in that thread, seems all he wants are new toys
[21:22:38] wagnerrp: old toys, rather
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[21:23:58] iamlindoro: gbee: Worst part of all? He got quintuple oh seven
[21:24:30] gbee: kormoc: now I'm ashamed :/
[21:27:05] kormoc: gbee, heh, it's fine, just was surprising :P
[21:31:21] iamlindoro: gbee: Any chance you're interested in posting the XML for the stuff you've done so far for the demo theme?
[21:31:32] iamlindoro: (and maybe zips of the non-copyright images)
[21:31:54] gbee: err, sure
[21:32:12] gbee: think I already did, but I've no idea whether it's current
[21:32:19] iamlindoro: gbee: If it's not ready, that's okay too, there's no pressure, just bet folks would like to look at them
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[21:33:01] iamlindoro: Don't have to be usable (in fact, probably better if it's not), but having an XML to compare to an image might be informative
[21:33:02] gbee: "
[21:33:04] gbee: I know that my SD frontend is too slow when using the GL painter. Note, I
[21:33:05] gbee: am still running Myth version 0.20.x
[21:33:12] gbee: ...
[21:33:18] wagnerrp: yeah, i was about to question that myseld
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[21:33:53] kormoc: he's still writing themes for 0.20.1!
[21:34:03] iamlindoro: GANT LIFE
[21:34:11] gbee: iamlindoro: definately not usable, no menu for example, but useful as an example – could probably be cleaned up and some stuff might be done with mythuishape instead of static images
[21:34:43] iamlindoro: gbee: No rush to get it out there, just trying to make as much tutorial information as possible available
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[21:35:24] iamlindoro: I rushed to get the MythNews theming tutorial done but I think it's a good start, I figure if people can get to the end of that they might start thinking about more complicated effects, which is where those screens are handy
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[21:37:16] gbee: iamlindoro: you'll need to update it for the fanart stuff, I wrote those screens before the code was committed, so I used static backgrounds instead (cheated)
[21:37:19] iamlindoro: I'm torn on whether to document the guidegrid widget if it's going to be changed
[21:37:32] iamlindoro: gbee: would only need the name change
[21:39:04] iamlindoro: guidegrid is also different enough that I think it might confuse people
[21:39:05] gbee: yeah. not much work, just a warning :)
[21:39:41] iamlindoro: gbee: sounds good
[21:39:53] gbee: http://miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/demotheme.tar.gz
[21:40:08] gbee: removed all of those copyrighted images first
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[21:41:51] wagnerrp: did 'better off ted' get dropped for the presidential news conference?
[21:42:03] iamlindoro: gbee: OK-- If it makes sense to you I'll give each a separate page on the wiki and just dump the HTML there
[21:42:07] gbee: worth noting that to save time, a lot of detail in those screens was just made part of the background image – again cheating, but not because it wasn't possible with mythui, but because it wasn't worth the effort
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[21:42:43] gbee: thats fine
[21:42:56] iamlindoro: gah, s/HTML/XML/
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[21:54:39] skimj: kormoc: in search.php, does $Results have a "generic" value? Something that would give way to:
[21:54:39] skimj: // Ignore generic shows?
[21:54:39] skimj: if ($_SESSION['search']['generic'] && count($Results)) {
[21:54:39] skimj: foreach ($Results as $key => $show) {
[21:54:39] skimj: switch($show->generic) {
[21:55:06] iamlindoro: paaaaastebinnnnn
[21:55:29] skimj: sorry 'bout that I thought it was going to be smaller
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[21:56:53] kormoc: skimj, no, but it wouldn't be hard to read the be code to see what it thinks generic means and match that
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[21:57:30] skimj: what's the be code?
[21:57:41] kormoc: BackEnd
[21:59:33] gbee: throw a drowning man an anchor
[22:00:08] Dagmar: Of course
[22:00:17] Dagmar: Then we won't have to listen to him splashing around and gasping for air
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[22:00:56] skimj: my guess is that if subtitle is blank then generic=1, but it seems like a waste to recreate even simple code...
[22:01:12] ** kormoc guesses skimj hasn't really read a lot of the php code **
[22:01:19] skimj: none
[22:01:45] skimj: well, none + a few lines today :)
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[22:02:05] kormoc: a lot of it is recreating c++ code in php
[22:02:10] kormoc: and keeping it in sync
[22:02:37] kormoc: Generic also might be when there's no episode number or what not
[22:02:52] skimj: true
[22:02:59] kormoc: cause I know shows with the generic subtitle are marked generic
[22:03:35] skimj: would it make more sense to look where $Results is loaded and add the generic field?
[22:03:55] kormoc: results is likely a instance of modules/tv/classes/Program.php (class Program)
[22:04:01] kormoc: and yeah, it would
[22:04:22] skimj: I was looking in there and got a bit lost...
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[22:05:19] skimj: no, I was in includes/Program.php. I'll look in classes. Thanks for the tip
[22:06:47] |chiz|: I'm looking into buying a tv tuner card to use with mythtv. I currently have an analog tv signal, but I would like to be prepared for digital in the future, being able to watch tv and record something at the same time would be nice to. Does anyone have any advice or websites I should check out?
[22:07:16] Dagmar: wiki.mythtv.org, www.google..com
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[22:07:24] gbee: |chiz|: which country?
[22:07:29] |chiz|: canada
[22:07:38] Dagmar: linux.bytesex.org/v4l2
[22:07:49] Dagmar: Possibly linuxtv.org as well
[22:09:24] meshe: |chiz|: cheap analog tuner with usb remote, i have 3 of these in production: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=36 . . . promoid=1001
[22:09:32] meshe: in canada
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[22:09:39] Dagmar: Just wrap them in <DIV CLASS="quotedcrap"> and call it a day
[22:09:43] Dagmar: wrong chan
[22:09:49] meshe: haha
[22:10:37] meshe: |chiz|: at that price, buy 2 for your record something while watching something else requirement, then buy new cards when you upgrade to digital
[22:11:06] |chiz|: meshe: ok that is what I was wondering, if you could run two in the same box
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[22:11:21] meshe: |chiz|: yup, as many as you have pci slots for
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[22:11:39] |chiz|: I think there is two, cool
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[22:12:37] meshe: that link i just sent you is a sale, only on until today, they put up new sales on thursdays, but that card has been on sale for that price for a month now
[22:12:44] |chiz|: is there much advantage to getting a hd tuner anyways since most signals are encrypted?
[22:12:57] meshe: where are you in canada?
[22:13:06] |chiz|: Nova Scotia
[22:13:36] meshe: if you want HD you may need to go with a set top box and use a HD-PVR
[22:13:36] |chiz|: well i was looking at the hvr-1600 which was going for about 130 which is alot less than two of those
[22:14:08] meshe: 2 of the cards i posted would be $80
[22:14:23] |chiz|: yeah
[22:15:29] meshe: with a recent distro, the PVR-150's are pretty much plug-n-play
[22:16:11] wagnerrp: $130 for a 1600? im pretty sure i saw the 2250 going for that much
[22:16:11] gbee: downside is that the PVR-150 doesn't give him the digital upgrade path
[22:16:55] meshe: gbee: true, but they are cheap enough that buying new cards for the digital upgrade is reasonable enough
[22:17:06] meshe: digial upgrade in canada isn't until 2011
[22:17:27] wagnerrp: yeah, you can pick up a 150 and a 1250 or kworld for less than the price of a 1600
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[22:18:40] gbee: meshe: ah
[22:19:33] gbee: well yeah I'd definately not recommend buying a hybrid card unless you were really likely to use both digital and analogue at the same time
[22:19:46] deminished: any one here use myth tv vodka ?
[22:20:10] gbee: a dedicated digital card should be considerably cheaper than either a PVR-150 or an HVR
[22:20:17] wagnerrp: gbee: thats backwards
[22:20:26] wagnerrp: the hybrids are the ones that are either/or
[22:20:30] wagnerrp: the 1600 is a dual tuner
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[22:21:26] |chiz|: I believe the 1600 is a dual tuner in the sense it has one digital and one analog tuner
[22:21:27] gbee: HVR – Hybrid Video Recorder – and I didn't mean recording at exactly the same instant, but recording both analogue and digital in the same week
[22:22:01] wagnerrp: well the 1250 is a 'hvr', but i wouldnt recommend ever using the analog on it
[22:22:36] wagnerrp: |chiz|: the difference is that the 1600 and 1800 can use both the analog and digital sides at the same time
[22:22:43] gbee: i.e. if you intend to continue recoding analogue after digital becomes available then it make a little sense, but it makes no sense at all if you are only ever going to be using one once you make the switch
[22:22:53] wagnerrp: nearly all digital cards support analog and digital
[22:23:04] gbee: wagnerrp: in the US/Canada maybe
[22:23:05] wagnerrp: but they do it with a single tuner, so you can only do one or the other
[22:24:51] deminished: any one here use myth tv vodka ?
[22:25:20] |chiz|: deminished: what is that?
[22:25:27] deminished: its a plugin...
[22:25:32] |chiz|: what does it do?
[22:25:42] gbee: makes cocktails
[22:25:43] wagnerrp: video-on-demand-killer-app
[22:25:50] deminished: allows you to play streams from bbc hulu nzb
[22:25:51] wagnerrp: for watching web video
[22:26:02] |chiz|: ah
[22:26:03] wagnerrp: except... it doesnt allow you to play streams from hulu
[22:26:05] |chiz|: no
[22:26:14] deminished: wagnerrp, you know a little about it ?
[22:26:15] wagnerrp: used to, but its broken now
[22:26:22] deminished: wagnerrp, except nothing about it works :)
[22:26:27] gbee: or the BBC outside the UK etc
[22:26:30] wagnerrp: after the whole hulu/boxee debacle
[22:26:36] deminished: im in the uk and bbc dont work too...
[22:26:49] deminished: wagnerrp, anyway i am looking for some help to fix it..
[22:27:31] deminished: wagnerrp, did you ever get any part of it working..
[22:27:45] |chiz|: so I can get two pvr 150's for 100 dollars taxes in to my door which seems like a good deal
[22:27:48] wagnerrp: the interface would load... thats about it
[22:28:07] |chiz|: but there is still the idea that i should maybe get a hybrid tuner instead
[22:28:20] wagnerrp: 50 each seems a bit high, you should be able to find them for 25–30
[22:28:28] meshe: not in canada
[22:28:35] |chiz|: yeah not in canada
[22:28:39] meshe: that's actually the best deal i've found
[22:28:42] wagnerrp: the exchange rate is that far off?
[22:28:47] meshe: 20%
[22:28:50] meshe: ish
[22:28:55] |chiz|: or more really
[22:29:09] meshe: + duty
[22:29:13] |chiz|: yeah
[22:29:31] meshe: 22% from xe.com
[22:29:52] gbee: deminished: couple of dvb cards and you can record whatever you want off the BBC in higher quality than iplayer offers, much simpler
[22:30:03] deminished: yeah
[22:30:23] deminished: but i want to get the nzb functionality
[22:30:33] deminished: the bbci and hulu are like a secondary concern
[22:30:47] wagnerrp: does hulu work in the UK?
[22:30:54] deminished: not with out a proxy
[22:31:04] wagnerrp: so... no
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[22:32:00] gbee: second guy tonight looking to grab pirated material off usenet ... does no-one read the channel rules anymore?
[22:32:14] meshe: there's rules?
[22:32:16] deminished: sorry ill read now..
[22:32:45] deminished: nothing specific about rules up there...
[22:32:59] ** iamlindoro questions whether anyone who thinks to call their own app "killer app" ever actually creates one **
[22:33:12] wagnerrp: theres the channel FAQ
[22:33:30] gbee: http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Legally-Dubious_Content
[22:33:34] |chiz|: when tv is switched to digital in 2011, digital tv is still going to be encrypted is it not? cable anyways.
[22:33:36] deminished: ok well perhaps i could get help with the bbc part.. ?
[22:34:02] wagnerrp: broadcast tv, probably not
[22:34:25] meshe: |chiz|: you'll probably need to go to a set top box
[22:34:29] wagnerrp: AFAIK, youre just following the ATSC standard, which i dont believe has any mechanism for encryption
[22:34:39] gbee: fwiw, I think that wording is a little too soft, it implies that we'd be ok with theft if no-one was watching, which at least for me is not true
[22:34:51] meshe: if you're with rogers, yes they will encrypt everything
[22:34:53] iamlindoro: wiki wiki
[22:35:03] deminished: oh sorry i see now
[22:35:44] |chiz|: ok so yeah there is probably going to be a stb, so if I was to put that to an analogue tuner would that be a whole lot more different than to a digital tuner?
[22:36:22] gbee: think we're pretty restrained, we don't call people scum sucking thieves and worse, but we could
[22:36:34] iamlindoro: I do, I do!
[22:36:46] meshe: if they are encrypting the channels, then a digital tuner won't work for you, you will however be able to send the output of a set top box into a 150 or for HD into a HD-PVR
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[22:38:30] meshe: wow, Issac goes to write his own PVR... pirates, pirates, pirates, wtf is with that NYT article
[22:39:05] sphery: awww... I missed the link.
[22:39:17] meshe: found it in the channel faq
[22:40:05] sphery: ahh... I see it.
[22:40:30] meshe: 2 paragraphs on mythtv then onto piracy, cutting over mid-sentence
[22:40:45] sphery: I love the "inappropriately lumped MythTV in with the show-sharing types out there"--wonder where their redaction is?
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[22:41:18] wagnerrp: so mythtv can replace a cable box?
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[22:41:27] wagnerrp: last i checked, my TV picked up analog cable just fine
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[22:42:58] meshe: apparently mine has an atsc and dvb-c tuner in it
[22:43:09] iamlindoro: sphery, redaction or retraction?
[22:43:22] ** iamlindoro hands sphery a sharpie for his redacting needs **
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[22:44:34] sphery: heh...
[22:44:43] sphery: stupid big words I thought I knew
[22:45:27] sphery: And why in the world would they want to increase the friction on the article, anyway? Does it really need good all-weather handling?
[22:45:38] gbee: that's what happens when these articles are written by uninformed and often technically illiterate journos, they have to write a piece, have it edited and proofed in under a week, so they don't have the time to do proper research. Combine that with the attitude 'well, who really cares about these little filler pieces' and you get Shoddy Journalism 101?
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[22:57:35] gbee: greatest problem with that article is that the damage to mythtv comes from the insinuation and association. There is no good reason to include MythTV at all in an article on piracy, so that's no accident even if they might argue it wasn't the intention. Legally though Isaac wouldn't have much recourse, they don't say MythTV allows illegal activity, they don't make any statements about it which are untrue (as far as I read) ... but anyone who didn't read
[22:57:37] gbee: the article with care ...
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[22:58:07] gbee: the word smear comes to mind
[22:58:56] deminished: hmm
[22:59:37] deminished: since its open src i think they would have trouble convicting any one other than a plugin developer
[22:59:44] deminished: in any normal court in the world...
[23:00:03] deminished: and if a plugin developer chooses to develop illegal stuff i guess he knows the risks..
[23:00:37] gbee: FYI although I've heard much about the article, that was the first time I've seen it and I didn't get past the first page
[23:00:43] deminished: im sure the journalist him self has some kind of illegal copy right material in hes home...
[23:01:10] deminished: i think this whole piratebay thing will blow over soon anyway
[23:01:23] GreyFoxx: What article ?
[23:01:43] gbee: GreyFoxx: the infamous New York Times one
[23:01:54] Dagmar: The one that doesn't just *slightly* paint MythTV as a pirate app
[23:01:59] GreyFoxx: not a recent one I assume ?
[23:02:02] deminished: the judge was bribed the country coerced and 90% of world opinion i think is with the piratebay owners..
[23:02:07] Dagmar: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/30/arts/televi . . . =rssuserland
[23:02:10] GreyFoxx: I remember vaguely one from awhile back
[23:02:12] GreyFoxx: yeah ok
[23:02:13] gbee: GreyFoxx: umm, 4 or more years old IIRC
[23:02:19] deminished: oh lol
[23:02:28] deminished: i thought you was talking about something this year
[23:02:40] Dagmar: When the title of the article is "Steal This Show" and is centered around MythTV, they're definitely saying it's a pirate's app
[23:03:16] Dagmar: It's no better than if they did a biography piece on someone and titled it "Child Molestation Charges Pending"
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[23:04:18] deminished: true
[23:04:30] Dagmar: It wasn't "insinuation" or "association" any more than the above example
[23:04:38] Dagmar: It was out and out saying MythTV users are thieves
[23:04:45] deminished: pretty much
[23:04:55] deminished: but if your bored sue the new york times
[23:05:01] deminished: you can all get cash for slander...
[23:05:04] deminished: if thats the case
[23:05:20] gbee: deminished: opinion might be with the piratebay owners, but only because of the technicality that they weren't hosting any material, don't believe that the majority think piracy is a good thing
[23:06:06] deminished: also the fact that the us government forced another country to imprison its own people who broke no law
[23:06:28] deminished: and that theres news floating around about the judge getting a rather large "pay off"
[23:06:49] iamlindoro: If people full of righteous indignation about piracy prosecutions put all that energy towards something worth being indignant about, we'd have a cure for cancer
[23:07:02] deminished: iamlindoro, true
[23:07:14] iamlindoro: I hate how every time we explain we don't talk about this crap in here, we get to have an hourlong political discussion
[23:07:33] deminished: sorry i was just following the topic of conversation...
[23:07:46] iamlindoro: Let's talk about what really matters
[23:07:46] deminished: i finished talking about it at the "read the rules statement"
[23:07:48] iamlindoro: boobies
[23:08:01] deminished: paid boobies ?
[23:08:19] gbee: "so following his formatting would be really helpful too" ... err, umm, I might have become a little lazy when doing the demo theme ;)
[23:08:32] iamlindoro: gbee, better than *no* formatting
[23:08:33] kormoc: iamlindoro, so bout that new screenshot? ;)
[23:08:47] deminished: iamlindoro, what you makeing ?
[23:08:57] deminished: porntube or something ?
[23:08:59] iamlindoro: kormoc, stand by
[23:09:47] deminished: brb need a drink
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[23:11:35] iamlindoro: kormoc, http://www.fecitfacta.com/screenshots/firefly.png
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[23:16:23] meshe: sorry, that was my fault, it was the first time i'd seen that NYT article^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
[23:17:08] iamlindoro: It's generally the fault of the people who want to logic themselves out of being called thieves
[23:17:26] iamlindoro: But IMO you can't point at the severity of the punishment as an excuse for committing the crime
[23:17:30] gbee: "Sky to use green button for ads on demand" WTF?
[23:18:29] gbee: people actually want to watch additional adverts when watching TV, by choice, on-demand?
[23:19:10] meshe: meh, give me my media in a format that i can legally use on all of my devices in all of the rooms in my house and i'm happy, dvds are close with some software the is deemed illegal in some countries
[23:19:59] iamlindoro: meshe, there is obviously a giant gap between using media you paid for in a way which you like and solely for your own enjoyment and just outright stealing it
[23:20:06] _marko_d: how do i fix redording that don't start on scheulde?
[23:20:24] iamlindoro: meshe, IMO the former is fine, the latter is not
[23:20:30] _marko_d: by recording 15 mintus + on both ends, ?
[23:20:47] iamlindoro: _marko_d, if you like, yes-- you can add padding to recording rules
[23:21:03] _marko_d: IE, how to use that when both shows start one after another
[23:21:09] iamlindoro: more tuners
[23:21:37] meshe: iamlindoro: agreed, sadly ripping a DVD in the US is illegal
[23:21:58] iamlindoro: meshe, Well, I think the Real case may actually help us out there
[23:22:15] Dagmar: MPAA is shooting themselves in the foot with this
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[23:22:25] iamlindoro: meshe, It's the first real test versus DVD ripping software, and hopefully the case law will strengthen fair use
[23:22:42] _marko_d: iamlindoro: where do i set that?
[23:22:47] _marko_d: in mythtv-setup?
[23:23:14] iamlindoro: Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->General
[23:23:24] meshe: hopefully, it's still legal in canada (though all the major retailers pulled their ripping software from their shelves years ago)
[23:23:32] iamlindoro: "Time to record before start of show" and "Time to record past end of show"
[23:23:46] iamlindoro: That's the global setting
[23:23:53] iamlindoro: You can also add time per-recording rule
[23:24:35] gbee: but you don't really want to do that
[23:24:54] iamlindoro: I use the global, personally
[23:25:34] gbee: global is safer and more predictable
[23:26:34] _marko_d: iamlindoro: thanks :)
[23:26:36] iamlindoro: np
[23:26:56] _marko_d: i need time to get used to this kind of watching tv
[23:27:16] _marko_d: it's like wearing a new shoe
[23:27:33] iamlindoro: I only tend to need 75 seconds of pre and post roll, but the US listings data is quite good, might not be as good for you
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[23:29:02] gbee: I use a full 2 minutes, because it really doesn't cost anything and I'd rather have to skip to the start of content than miss it
[23:29:03] _marko_d: i put like 10 minutes
[23:29:06] _marko_d: will fine tune it
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[23:29:56] iamlindoro: And yes, you're exactly right, just like wearing a new shoe
[23:30:20] _marko_d: now if i watch tv on the same channel that i like to record on, what happens when it starts recording ?
[23:30:23] iamlindoro: a lot of people come to myth wanting ti to behave like their old TV-- if you let yourself try it the DVR/Myth way you become *much * happier
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[23:30:39] iamlindoro: _marko_d, It will prompt you, ask if you want to back out to the menu, or watch while it records
[23:31:01] _marko_d: iamlindoro: and i'm not there?
[23:31:18] _marko_d: it will record in the background?
[23:31:22] iamlindoro: I don't remember the default behavior, but either way it's not-destructive, you will still get your recording
[23:31:35] _marko_d: cool
[23:31:37] iamlindoro: watch the recording or back out to the menu, it will still record
[23:32:06] iamlindoro: gbee, that reminds me, I'm fairly certain that prompt is broken in trunk due to the MythScreenStack/MythUI stuff
[23:32:15] _marko_d: yeah, it is a pretty sane default
[23:32:37] iamlindoro: need to ping paul-h or mark_k about it
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