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| [00:14:43] | dan__t: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Cases |
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| [00:29:44] | mysphyt: | Hey, folks. Does anybody know if there's a way to set up LIRC as a separate input device for X11? I want to have two X servers running, and I want to have my remote control go to one, and my keyboard and mouse (when present) go to the other. |
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| [00:35:31] | moj0rising: | hi. Can someone out there tell me how to make mythfrontend take the full screen in gnome? For some reason it doesn't cover the gnome panels at the top and bottom of the screen. I've tried the forums and google but can't seem to find a way to adjust this. |
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| [00:47:34] | wagnerrp: | moj0rising: is there any reason to run gnome? i mean is this otherwise used as a desktop? |
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| [00:48:13] | wagnerrp: | usually one uses a stripped down, minimal window manager, rather than a full desktop environment |
| [00:48:23] | wagnerrp: | or if theyre not calling external programs, no window manager at all |
| [00:50:25] | Shadow__X: | AGREED! |
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| [01:03:56] | achew22: | is there a way to force myth to recalculate the upcoming recordings db entries? is that done by mythfilldatabase or mythbackend? |
| [01:04:21] | iamlindoro: | mythbackend --resched |
| [01:04:23] | wagnerrp: | you can run the backend with '-resched' |
| [01:05:15] | achew22: | will that interfere with the current running mythbackend? |
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| [01:05:55] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [01:05:55] | wagnerrp: | i believe it runs the scheduler and quits |
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| [01:11:01] | achew22: | Thank you both of you |
| [01:11:59] | wagnerrp: | those mexicans sure seem to get around |
| [01:12:28] | wagnerrp: | theres reports of infection around the world |
| [01:12:40] | mzb: | dan__t: like this? => http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/LCD/img_0424.jpg |
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| [01:12:51] | mchou: | those arent mexicans |
| [01:13:03] | wagnerrp: | just tourists leaving mexico? |
| [01:13:06] | mchou: | they are north american tourists |
| [01:13:31] | mzb: | iirc, that's a Morex 2677 with a hand-made LCD, $20 DVD burner of ebay. Board is similar to EPIA M10K. |
| [01:13:53] | wagnerrp: | and apparently Chinese, and New Zealanders |
| [01:14:00] | mchou: | and there is no verification yet the infection started in Mexico |
| [01:14:12] | mchou: | it was detected there first |
| [01:14:24] | mchou: | doesnt mean it started there |
| [01:14:34] | dan__t: | Yeah, actually, mzb. |
| [01:14:47] | mchou: | detected there first because they actually have decent medical facilities |
| [01:14:51] | dan__t: | I was reading up on those machines by Hiper. They look pretty cool but the reviews are pretty critical of them. |
| [01:15:15] | mzb: | that's what you can do at bargain-basement prices.. if you want to put some effort into it |
| [01:15:46] | mzb: | SD-only at this point |
| [01:16:16] | dan__t: | What are my chances of being able to stream 1080p over 802.11n? hah |
| [01:16:23] | mzb: | heh |
| [01:16:29] | dan__t: | Been reading up on that as well, and it looks like it will depend on about 23890423785348975 factors. |
| [01:16:42] | mzb: | depends how wet you keep your string, methinks ;) |
| [01:16:50] | dan__t: | Indeed. |
| [01:16:51] | wagnerrp: | dan__t: streaming '1080p' over 802.11n is meaningless |
| [01:16:56] | wagnerrp: | its all a function of bitrate |
| [01:17:01] | dan__t: | Noted. |
| [01:17:08] | mzb: | the meaning is there, and understood |
| [01:17:14] | wagnerrp: | you can have 1080p at 1mbps, you can have it at 40mbps |
| [01:17:26] | dan__t: | Further noted. |
| [01:17:58] | dan__t: | What kind of bitrate are we talking when I sit down at my TV? |
| [01:17:59] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2 on bluray will usually be upwards of 40 |
| [01:18:03] | mzb: | and some of us haven't had so much caffeine as to prevent our brain taking over from our b... |
| [01:18:11] | wagnerrp: | h264 on bluray will be closer to 25–30 |
| [01:18:14] | mzb: | :) |
| [01:18:41] | wagnerrp: | broadcast digital HD will be 15–25 (US broadcasts will be no higher than 19) |
| [01:18:47] | dan__t: | Thank you. |
| [01:18:47] | mzb: | either way, you'd be pushed to squeeze HD*anything* over wifi, right? |
| [01:18:50] | wagnerrp: | stuff you download will be under 10 |
| [01:19:06] | dan__t: | That's what I'm seeing, mzb. |
| [01:19:13] | mzb: | particularly as 11n-support in linux is rare, right? |
| [01:19:27] | dan__t: | From what I am able to find, that is the case, ys. |
| [01:19:29] | dan__t: | yes, rather. |
| [01:19:30] | mzb: | (making it even harder to achieve) |
| [01:19:39] | dan__t: | And much of what does work uses ndiswrapper, further neutering the ability. |
| [01:19:45] | wagnerrp: | but beyond the rated bitrate for the wireless spec, it must be able to maintain that bitrate reliably |
| [01:19:54] | wagnerrp: | 802.11g typically doesnt cut it |
| [01:19:58] | wagnerrp: | n... i cant say |
| [01:19:58] | dan__t: | yep, that's what I'm worried about as well |
| [01:20:30] | dan__t: | Its not the end of the road; the house is wired fine for Ethernet and as much as I'd like gbit speeds I've only been able to reliably use 100mbit |
| [01:20:52] | wagnerrp: | older wiring? |
| [01:20:59] | dan__t: | 3–4 years old, yeah |
| [01:21:07] | dan__t: | Not like old old, but still. |
| [01:21:18] | wagnerrp: | well my box of bulk cat6 is at least that old |
| [01:22:17] | dan__t: | Well, I'm excited about all of this, I can't wait to dig in to it |
| [01:22:57] | wagnerrp: | even basic cat5 is suppose to be able to run gigabit for the full 100m length |
| [01:23:05] | dan__t: | well some yeah |
| [01:23:18] | wagnerrp: | assuming you have all four pairs wired |
| [01:24:23] | dan__t: | Correct. |
| [01:28:55] | dan__t: | I'm going to go.. lay back down. I was overserved last night. |
| [01:29:12] | dan__t: | Thanks for the help |
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| [02:28:53] | iamlindoro: | xris, Did you see I put up some screenshots the other day? |
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| [02:56:37] | Lexridge: | Dagmar: I finally got mythtv compiled under CentOS 64 bit, but only after I installed the i386 version of lame. Shouldn't myth's configure script be able to recognize 64 bit systems and use the proper path, ie /usr/lib64? |
| [03:01:16] | Lexridge: | Also something that is curious, when I use yum to install a pkg, it always grabs both i386 and x86–64 versions. However, yumex ONLY shows the x86–64 versions. Which is correct? |
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| [04:58:36] | arodd: | Does anyone know if you can lock a model of tuner to the /dev/videoX device node of your choice? I have to different models and they keep alternating on each boot necessitating that I reconfigure the source assignment in mythtv-setup. |
| [04:59:04] | arodd: | udev rule I would imagine |
| [04:59:28] | tank-man: | yes, udev rule would do what you want |
| [05:00:26] | tank-man: | heres my rule |
| [05:00:30] | tank-man: | ATTR{name}=="ivtv0 encoder MPG" , NAME="%k", SYMLINK+="pvr250", MODE="0666" |
| [05:00:51] | tank-man: | i have 1 hauppauge pvr250 and with this rule it shows up as /dev/pvr250 |
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| [05:01:35] | arodd: | thanks! |
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| [05:20:48] | usererror: | anyone willing to lend a hand. i've got my LIRC all jacked up. |
| [05:21:02] | marko_d: | hi |
| [05:21:09] | usererror: | hello |
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| [05:21:14] | marko_d: | how do a scan from a range |
| [05:21:22] | marko_d: | instead of region |
| [05:21:31] | cesman: | usererror: provide details, if someone can answer perhaps they will chime up |
| [05:22:41] | usererror: | i am not sure why but my remote went from working fine, to slow and sluggish, to not at all. it's a MCE remote. I've read conflicting info on if i'm supposed to have a hardware.conf in /etc/lirc/ and a lirc.conf or a lircd.conf |
| [05:22:49] | usererror: | i am missing /dev/lirc |
| [05:23:02] | usererror: | i have a /dev/lircd and a /dev/lircd1 |
| [05:23:38] | usererror: | my ir receiver unit used to blink when i pointed the remote at it and pushed a button on the remote, now it is just a solid red ON. |
| [05:23:47] | usererror: | irw does not yield and input either. |
| [05:24:16] | wagnerrp: | is this a mceusb2? |
| [05:24:17] | usererror: | the iR receiver IS recognized by USB as "TopSeed Technology Corp" |
| [05:24:28] | tank-man: | did you try the "windows xp fix"? rebooting :) ? |
| [05:24:32] | wagnerrp: | what version of lirc? |
| [05:24:58] | usererror: | i believe the unit is mceusb2, but some say it works out of the box in mythbuntu 8.10 as mceusb but i tried that, no dice |
| [05:25:15] | marko_d: | this card that i'm using, wouldn't install on windows |
| [05:25:23] | usererror: | @wagerrp lircd 0.8.4a |
| [05:25:28] | marko_d: | so it can fool you sometimes |
| [05:25:34] | wagnerrp: | hmm... |
| [05:25:36] | usererror: | haha, yes i tried rebooting, and restarting the services. |
| [05:25:47] | usererror: | the services say they started OK |
| [05:25:51] | wagnerrp: | ive heard the off brand mceusb2 clones dont work with older versions of the driver |
| [05:25:52] | usererror: | which was not the case before. |
| [05:26:06] | wagnerrp: | mine didnt work with the 0.8.2 that came in my package manager |
| [05:26:17] | usererror: | crap |
| [05:26:19] | wagnerrp: | but updating to 0.8.4 fixed a similar problem i was having |
| [05:26:48] | usererror: | i just wish i had saved my configs the first time i had them working last year. |
| [05:27:42] | usererror: | everything was working on mythbuntu 7.10 for ever, and then i did some updates, that was fine, then i had to move so unplugged everything, moved plugged back in, it was sluggish/slow with the remote, but still worked, then it started failing so i did a dist-upgrade to 9.04 today and here I am. |
| [05:27:46] | usererror: | its a mess. |
| [05:28:05] | usererror: | what does your receiver use? /dev/lircd? or lirc? |
| [05:28:59] | wagnerrp: | lircd is the master socket |
| [05:29:08] | wagnerrp: | lirc0, lirc1, lirc2, ... are the individual device nodes |
| [05:29:09] | tank-man: | must be fun having automatic upgrades overwrite config files :) |
| [05:29:16] | usererror: | ok and that I do have... |
| [05:29:30] | usererror: | @tank-man well i *thought* i said keep original configs |
| [05:29:33] | usererror: | but maybe i did not. |
| [05:29:57] | usererror: | obviously i did not read. so i paid the ultimate price |
| [05:32:14] | usererror: | so should my lircd1 really be lirc0 ? |
| [05:32:27] | marko_d: | i don't have sound on all channels |
| [05:32:31] | marko_d: | usererror: yes |
| [05:32:42] | marko_d: | the first is zero |
| [05:32:59] | usererror: | ok i'll see if lets me make a /dev/lirc0 |
| [05:35:48] | marko_d: | how do i setup channels for not listed countries |
| [05:36:09] | marko_d: | europe-east works for some channels |
| [05:36:15] | marko_d: | but not for all |
| [05:36:56] | tank-man: | i dont think it matters if it is a 0 or 1, you just have to tell it if it what device it is |
| [05:38:46] | tank-man: | yea lircd has a -d option to tell it what device it is |
| [05:38:47] | usererror: | @tank-man, wouldn't that be done in the hardware.conf file REMOTE_DEVICE="/dev/lircd0" ? |
| [05:39:10] | tank-man: | i think the hardware.conf is specific to your distro |
| [05:40:02] | tank-man: | im not sure how the maintainer setup lirc on ubuntu |
| [05:40:46] | usererror: | i'm half tempted to just do a fresh load on another PC of mythbuntu with my usb ir receiver plugged in and see if irw works or not and then see what the config is. |
| [05:45:18] | wagnerrp: | marko_d: as far as i can tell, macedonia just uses the standard PAL and DVB-T frequencies |
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| [05:50:37] | marko_d: | wagnerrp: yeah, but what should i use |
| [05:50:40] | marko_d: | to scan? |
| [05:50:48] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [05:50:52] | marko_d: | i have only like 20–30 channels |
| [05:51:18] | marko_d: | wagnerrp: any tool that i can use for mythtv, that scan from range |
| [05:51:25] | marko_d: | like 80–800 mhz |
| [05:51:43] | marko_d: | thats the range for what i'v seen from tv sets |
| [05:52:45] | wagnerrp: | well total range doesnt matter, you have to have a specific band for each channel |
| [05:52:53] | wagnerrp: | thats what the preset channel tables get you |
| [05:53:03] | usererror: | well the ubuntu forums have a bunch of peeps with messed up remotes after upgrades. |
| [05:53:18] | usererror: | guess i'm going to go install on new hardware from scratch and see if it'll work that way. |
| [05:55:23] | marko_d: | wagnerrp: only the band ?, then i think it is ok, i have sound on channels |
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| [11:27:23] | marko_d: | how does mythtv work with manually setting the chanells? |
| [11:27:32] | marko_d: | i tried but no effect |
| [11:29:10] | marko_d: | Up + enter switched the osd, but the video remained the same |
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| [12:34:46] | stse: | Hi! I'm using mythtv with an analogue TV card (Philips Semiconductors SAA7134/SAA7135HL Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01)). In most cases all is working well. But sometimes the audio is missing or there are video interferences. If this happens in life TV, I can restart the frontend, but if this happens in a recording session, the recorded movie is quite useless. Has anyone heard of this problem? |
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| [13:38:45] | marko_d: | stse: seems that i'm having the same problem |
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| [13:50:36] | stse: | marko_d: and any ideas? |
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| [13:54:05] | marko_d: | stse: it is not mythtv related, and dunno about driver cause i always have good sound & video on one channel |
| [13:58:56] | stse: | marko_d: you mean you have the same problem with other TV software as well? |
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| [13:59:53] | marko_d: | stse: yeah |
| [14:00:06] | marko_d: | ivtv-tune + mplayer |
| [14:00:24] | marko_d: | simplest it can get, i think it is valid |
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| [14:07:09] | stse: | marko_d: okay, thanks |
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| [15:36:55] | iamlindoro: | Doop dee dooo |
| [15:36:59] | ** sphery thinks iamlindoro should send an e-mail to the very lonenly mythtv-theming mailing list ** | |
| [15:37:11] | ** iamlindoro already sis ** | |
| [15:37:12] | iamlindoro: | did |
| [15:37:27] | iamlindoro: | My e-mail is the one and only one in the archive :) |
| [15:37:38] | sphery: | d'oh... one more click required in archive... |
| [15:37:53] | i_is_cat: | this guy just told me i cant use my hps lamp on an mh ballast and then in his next line said if i want to use my hps lamp i need an mh ballast i am so confused |
| [15:38:00] | i_is_cat: | i wish mythtv could fix it for me :S |
| [15:38:08] | sphery: | I just didn't click the link, so it looked like an empyt list of mails |
| [15:38:33] | iamlindoro: | !trou sphery attention to detail |
| [15:38:40] | iamlindoro: | !trout sphery attention to detail |
| [15:38:40] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a attention to detail trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [15:38:46] | iamlindoro: | therrre we go |
| [15:38:54] | sphery: | I deserved that... |
| [15:39:12] | sphery: | still not back from vacation (though I'm sitting in my house) |
| [15:39:13] | iamlindoro: | I figure that list will be the lowest traffic anyway, and will likely take a while to get going |
| [15:39:37] | i_is_cat: | the myth weather thing just started working out of nowhere this morning |
| [15:39:46] | iamlindoro: | Also need to get added to http://www.mythtv.org/support/ |
| [15:39:57] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Howzat work? |
| [15:39:58] | sphery: | you should carry on a conversation with yourself asking all the soon-to-be FAQ's, then you can reference them when people ask--and make a snide comment about searching the archives |
| [15:39:59] | i_is_cat: | i dont know why or how but i was just playing around and it didnt freeze this time and actually let me set it up its pertty neat |
| [15:40:07] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Heh |
| [15:40:09] | sphery: | my mind is still on vacation |
| [15:40:36] | i_is_cat: | suggestion though, an option to add the current temp to the date/time in the main screen? |
| [15:41:37] | iamlindoro: | i_is_cat: When will you have the patch done? |
| [15:41:41] | sphery: | i_is_cat: we ripped the lm-sensors API code out of the backend status page because it was causing all sorts of (backend=very bad) crashes |
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| [15:42:17] | sphery: | i_is_cat: you could make something like what's in the backend status page, now--ability to run a user-defined script and display its info on the page |
| [15:42:36] | i_is_cat: | i have zero coding ability... |
| [15:42:38] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Think he means local weather |
| [15:42:41] | i_is_cat: | i wouldnt even know where to begin |
| [15:43:08] | iamlindoro: | i_is_cat: I have zero coding ability, but that hasn't stopped me from getting a few dozen features into myth, now has it? |
| [15:43:16] | sphery: | ah... yeah, sensors code is not ideal for weather monitoring |
| [15:43:30] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Well, it would be *extremely local* weather :) |
| [15:44:05] | sphery: | guess I need to stay away until my mind is back, too... |
| [15:44:20] | iamlindoro: | You just can't quit me, you know it |
| [15:44:25] | sphery: | heh |
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| [15:46:51] | iamlindoro: | sphery: By going away for the weekend, you missed my swipe at JYA on the list |
| [15:47:00] | iamlindoro: | and yay, no response |
| [15:48:10] | meshe: | he gave credit back to the mythtv devs on the list too, the first i've seen |
| [15:48:49] | iamlindoro: | He's still a dillhole |
| [15:50:11] | meshe: | ahhhh, fork it |
| [15:51:15] | ** meshe spent time this weekend reading a C++ book ** | |
| [15:51:25] | kormoc: | meshe, Aww, you missed a solid conference |
| [15:51:29] | sphery: | heh, I'll get to that, eventually... just have to watch for the thread (assuming -users, as I don't read them all, there) |
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| [15:52:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-April/254333.html |
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| [15:52:55] | sphery: | iamlindoro: in "Does .22 fix the no mono output via spdif bugthat's in .21 fixes?" — "I see Jean-Yves Avenard just released patched to re-encode AC3..." |
| [15:53:22] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Yes, of which he wrote not a single line... |
| [15:53:33] | sphery: | yep |
| [15:53:57] | meshe: | kormoc: i was there all of saturday |
| [15:54:28] | kormoc: | meshe, ooh! Didja stop by the fsf booth? |
| [15:54:33] | sphery: | glad someone is making time to support the users who want vdpau and other unstable features, though |
| [15:54:42] | meshe: | i checked out all the booths |
| [15:55:09] | kormoc: | meshe, I was the guy in the 'Chaotic Evil' shirt, might have accosted ya for a membership... |
| [15:55:50] | iamlindoro: | Funny, I had you pegged for a "chaotic good" |
| [15:56:00] | _marko_d: | where can i see new stuff implemented in the new qt4 rewrite? |
| [15:56:13] | meshe: | i think i saw you then :) |
| [15:56:14] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, I'm all about the "never having to say I'm sorry" bit |
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| [15:56:21] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [15:56:23] | _marko_d: | except in svn :) |
| [15:56:40] | meshe: | svn |
| [15:56:46] | meshe: | :) |
| [15:56:46] | kormoc: | _marko_d, trac |
| [15:59:22] | _marko_d: | could do |
| [15:59:53] | iamlindoro: | My world is rocked, sphery just wrote a five word message to the users list |
| [16:00:04] | kormoc: | meshe, Didja get a chance to see Monty? |
| [16:00:21] | meshe: | yeah, drank some black vodka :) |
| [16:00:34] | kormoc: | Aye, that was awesome! |
| [16:00:45] | sphery: | vacation, still... |
| [16:00:54] | kormoc: | He's going to be back this summer/fall in Seattle for a few talks. Sarah is arranging that |
| [16:00:58] | sphery: | no author writes novels on vacation |
| [16:01:06] | meshe: | nice |
| [16:01:33] | meshe: | i'm going to probably flip over to Maria DB on my trunk install |
| [16:02:22] | kormoc: | I've actually swapped to the percona builds and been playing with xtradb |
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| [16:04:05] | meshe: | nice |
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| [16:08:53] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Hemingway did |
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| [16:11:14] | justinh: | good grief I thought the hole I get in here through might've been sealed up for a sec there |
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| [16:11:45] | gbee: | *sigh* |
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| [16:12:05] | ** gbee phones Justin's boss again ** | |
| [16:12:13] | justinh: | irssi was just sitting there doing nuffink |
| [16:12:33] | defaultro: | What is the easiest way to manually add 1 channel where the source is an http stream? I would like to watch it in LiveTV. I don't need to have it scheduled. Program info isn't needed as wel. |
| [16:12:34] | iamlindoro: | Taken out of context, that sounds like illegal public bathroom behavior |
| [16:12:41] | justinh: | lol |
| [16:12:50] | justinh: | you'll take anything out of context, I know you |
| [16:12:59] | iamlindoro: | guilty as charged |
| [16:13:11] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: Can't |
| [16:13:33] | defaultro: | oh |
| [16:13:55] | iamlindoro: | Gah, this Theming tutorial is going to need all sorts of reformatting and pictures after I'm done, I'm already tired of it |
| [16:13:59] | gbee: | IPTV is the closest it gets |
| [16:14:12] | justinh: | iamlindoro: any guesses why nobody has bothered before now? |
| [16:14:38] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I'll likely soldier on through at least this tutorial |
| [16:15:07] | iamlindoro: | If one doesn't have the basic idea after this, with all the dumbing down I'm doing, then there's no hope |
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| [16:16:06] | justinh: | well, if somebody can ignore overlapping area boundaries & still come up with popular themes (i.e. the 'just blunder on through' method) I'd summise it doesn't take that much skill |
| [16:16:51] | justinh: | been much activity on the new ML yet? |
| [16:17:24] | justinh: | oops. only went live like yesterday |
| [16:17:29] | iamlindoro: | Like a traffic jam, can't keep up |
| [16:17:45] | iamlindoro: | Too many people rushing forward eager to theme |
| [16:17:50] | meshe: | i haven't even set up a filter for it yet |
| [16:17:54] | iamlindoro: | That was when I work up |
| [16:17:57] | iamlindoro: | er woke up |
| [16:18:34] | GreyFoxx: | What's the address of the list? (it'snt on mythtv.org yet) |
| [16:18:42] | justinh: | I'm only managing to keep a passing interest now. work is crazy busy. new product. new software every 2 minutes :-\ |
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| [16:19:16] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-theming/ |
| [16:19:18] | gbee: | mythtv-theming |
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| [16:20:18] | justinh: | no mention on the -dev list? |
| [16:20:24] | gbee: | filter was thankfully easier, copy/paste of my other mythtv list rules |
| [16:20:40] | iamlindoro: | Mentioned on -users, but didn't cross post it to -dev |
| [16:20:57] | justinh: | maybe it'd be an idea to, bearing in mind the S/N of -users |
| [16:23:08] | gbee: | heh, jumped through an entire episode of the gadget show without finding anything worth watching, might be time to drop that schedule |
| [16:23:34] | justinh: | already done, but briefly considered reinstating it when I learned that Suzi Perry is no longer on the team |
| [16:24:13] | gbee: | honestly, she might have been the only reason I stuck with it as long as I did |
| [16:24:32] | justinh: | that bald idiot needed axing more.. |
| [16:24:59] | justinh: | middle aged teenagers are worrying |
| [16:25:15] | gbee: | she's not dropped out permanently, she had an eptopic pregnacy and was in hospital for a while ... supposed to be returning soon |
| [16:25:29] | justinh: | ouch |
| [16:28:25] | gbee: | the show has devolved into a bunch of stupid games and repetition – you can almost predict that next week they'll look at a TV, a toaster and printers ... no time is spent looking at all the really interesting kit that is being released constantly or the new hardware developments |
| [16:28:54] | justinh: | the reviews were hardly worthwhile either |
| [16:29:05] | justinh: | take those away and er... hmmm |
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| [16:32:50] | gbee: | most of the time I find their conclusions about devices to be baffling or just stupid – netbook one their did the other week made no sense, they talked about how one was better in so many respects, then declared the other a winner |
| [16:34:09] | gbee: | half the time they almost deliberately handicap devices or just ignore price – yes a £10,000 TV might produce a marginally better picture than one which costs £1,000 ... but who can afford it and is it really worth the extra? |
| [16:35:30] | gbee: | hmm, that about sums it up I guess – Delete |
| [16:36:44] | kormoc: | BELETED |
| [16:37:32] | iamlindoro: | Buhhhleted |
| [16:39:03] | justinh: | which blingy new phone is better – when you're dangling on the end of a bouncing bungee from a high bridge? :-O |
| [16:39:57] | gbee: | aye, I was ignoring the plain stupid aspects of the show |
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| [16:54:21] | wagnerrp: | since when has a toaster been a gadget? |
| [16:54:43] | wagnerrp: | does it reach into the drawer and load the bread itself? |
| [16:54:48] | kormoc: | since when it required 233 mhz to make toast |
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| [17:09:37] | iamlindoro: | Just take the heatsink off, bet you could do it with less than 233 Mhz ;) |
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| [17:11:13] | justinh: | ask clever |
| [17:11:45] | iamlindoro: | Oh now you've done it |
| [17:12:13] | iamlindoro: | Good thing it's only 1 PM where he is, it'll be hours before he wakes up and not-showers |
| [17:13:26] | justinh: | argghhh my wife has got me a reputation among her friends as being the 'can do king' of phone ringtones |
| [17:14:08] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Oh, sure, volunteer me on the list to finish my patches why don't you |
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| [17:24:05] | deminished: | any one can help me with myth tv i installed it and for some reason its not connecting to the sql... |
| [17:24:16] | GrahamIRC: | justinh: so you mean you dont want to be spending your time sorting out people's ringtones? |
| [17:24:35] | nurettin: | deminished: |
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| [17:25:08] | wagnerrp: | deminished: the sql server is running? the sql server has proper permissions set up? mythtv has been given those permissions in the proper config file? |
| [17:25:11] | nurettin: | deminished: please sncronize mythtv user and password and mysql password. |
| [17:25:31] | deminished: | wagnerrp, not sure i am new to linux |
| [17:25:49] | wagnerrp: | then go read a howto |
| [17:25:53] | wagnerrp: | it should outline all these steps |
| [17:25:53] | deminished: | nurettin, it says it cant connect... i dont think its a password error |
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| [17:26:00] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not something you can just jump in to |
| [17:26:02] | nurettin: | wagnerrp: i have got no sound problem. |
| [17:26:05] | deminished: | :S |
| [17:26:17] | deminished: | the frontend starts up |
| [17:26:30] | nurettin: | i applied amixer set Master,0 100%,100% unmute |
| [17:26:31] | nurettin: | amixer set PCM,0 100%,100% unmute |
| [17:26:31] | nurettin: | amixer set Line,0 75%,75% mute captur |
| [17:26:31] | nurettin: | amixer set Capture,0 100%,100% captur |
| [17:26:36] | wagnerrp: | if you have questions and misunderstandings about a howto, then ask specific questions in here |
| [17:26:37] | nurettin: | but not sound. |
| [17:26:45] | deminished: | ok |
| [17:26:54] | nurettin: | i am open line in the sound ok. |
| [17:27:04] | deminished: | wagnerrp, could you point me at a how to suitable for backtrack 4 (ubuntu) |
| [17:27:19] | nurettin: | but mythtv recoring live tv |
| [17:27:21] | wagnerrp: | there are two the main manuals on the mythtv wiki, and the mythtv website |
| [17:27:33] | wagnerrp: | if youre using ubuntu/mythbuntu, you really need to be using a mythbuntu howto |
| [17:27:40] | deminished: | right.. |
| [17:27:43] | wagnerrp: | they have a number of helper apps which take care of much of the setup |
| [17:27:45] | nurettin: | no sound and recorded tv |
| [17:27:48] | wagnerrp: | such as getting the sql server running |
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| [17:27:57] | wagnerrp: | with proper permissions for everything |
| [17:27:58] | nurettin: | i changed my mainboard. |
| [17:28:04] | deminished: | mythbuntu howto i will search... |
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| [17:28:14] | nurettin: | i am using intel atom main board. |
| [17:28:23] | wagnerrp: | you should also check out #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [17:28:30] | deminished: | ok |
| [17:28:31] | deminished: | thx |
| [17:29:44] | nurettin: | http://pastebin.com/m81cddd8 |
| [17:29:52] | wagnerrp: | nurettin: this is all standard definition video i assume? |
| [17:30:47] | nurettin: | pal |
| [17:31:02] | nurettin: | my old hardware sound is good. |
| [17:31:14] | nurettin: | but new hardware no sound. |
| [17:31:23] | wagnerrp: | make sure youve loaded the alsa drivers for the Intel HDA chip |
| [17:31:48] | nurettin: | sudo apt-get install ??? |
| [17:31:59] | nurettin: | how ? |
| [17:32:03] | wagnerrp: | should be something more along the lines of 'modprobe' |
| [17:32:55] | nurettin: | im using ubuntu 8.04 |
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| [17:33:57] | wagnerrp: | 'modprobe snd-hda-intel' |
| [17:34:19] | nurettin: | aplay -l |
| [17:34:20] | nurettin: | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** |
| [17:34:20] | nurettin: | card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC662 Analog [ALC662 Analog] |
| [17:34:20] | nurettin: | Subdevices: 1/1 |
| [17:34:20] | nurettin: | Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 |
| [17:34:46] | wagnerrp: | so the drivers are already loaded, and alsa is set up to use the card.... |
| [17:34:56] | XLV: | nurettin, theres 9.04 out |
| [17:35:09] | wagnerrp: | play around with alsamixer until you can find out what is muted and blocking your audio |
| [17:35:25] | nurettin: | wagnerrp: 'modprobe snd-hda-intel' not happened |
| [17:35:47] | wagnerrp: | that will only load the module if its not already loaded |
| [17:35:52] | wagnerrp: | otherwise it will error |
| [17:36:16] | wagnerrp: | and... since aplay already has the hardware as configured in alsa, the driver was obviously loade |
| [17:36:17] | wagnerrp: | d |
| [17:37:10] | nurettin: | not error. |
| [17:37:36] | wagnerrp: | not error, but not happened? |
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| [17:38:31] | nurettin: | nurettin@alp7:~$ modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| [17:38:31] | nurettin: | nurettin@alp7:~$ sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| [17:38:31] | nurettin: | nurettin@alp7:~$ |
| [17:38:31] | nurettin: | nurettin@alp7:~$ |
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| [17:39:12] | wagnerrp: | well the one sans sudo should have errored |
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| [17:39:33] | wagnerrp: | however the sudo'd one should have as well |
| [17:39:56] | gbee: | lsmod | grep snd-hda-intel |
| [17:40:57] | cesman: | nurettin: tail your syslog or look at the last few lines of output after running 'dmesg' |
| [17:41:34] | nurettin: | ok |
| [17:41:37] | gbee: | won't help if the module was loaded a while back (say at startup), unless you modprobe -r first and then reload |
| [17:44:49] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theming_MythNews |
| [17:45:01] | iamlindoro: | Will finish it tonight sometime, but that's a start |
| [17:46:13] | nurettin: | nurettin@alp7:~$ dmesg | tail |
| [17:46:13] | nurettin: | [ 3066.006267] bttv0: SCERR @ 37476014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW SCERR* |
| [17:46:13] | nurettin: | [ 3066.046232] bttv0: SCERR @ 37476014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW SCERR* |
| [17:46:13] | nurettin: | [ 3066.086195] bttv0: SCERR @ 37476014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW SCERR* |
| [17:46:13] | nurettin: | [ 3066.126163] bttv0: SCERR @ 37476014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW SCERR* |
| [17:46:14] | nurettin: | [ 3066.166129] bttv0: SCERR @ 37476014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW SCERR* |
| [17:46:16] | nurettin: | [ 3066.206097] bttv0: SCERR @ 37476014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW SCERR* |
| [17:46:18] | nurettin: | [ 3066.246063] bttv0: SCERR @ 3747601c,bits: HSYNC OFLOW SCERR* |
| [17:46:22] | nurettin: | [ 3066.277176] bttv0: timeout: drop=0 irq=98075/98079, risc=3747601c, bits: HSYNC OFLOW |
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| [17:46:24] | nurettin: | [ 3066.277864] bttv0: reset, reinitialize |
| [17:46:26] | nurettin: | [ 3066.277924] bttv0: PLL: 28636363 => 35468950 . ok |
| [17:46:28] | nurettin: | nurettin@alp7:~$ |
| [17:46:39] | wagnerrp: | and the batter winds up... |
| [17:46:40] | ** kormoc eyes nurettin... ** | |
| [17:46:56] | kormoc: | so very close, was bout to hit enter when the prompt came up |
| [17:46:59] | iamlindoro: | Well that was god damn critical |
| [17:47:09] | wagnerrp: | nurettin: no pasting in here of more than 2 lines |
| [17:47:29] | nurettin: | excuseme |
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| [17:48:19] | nurettin: | cesman: i taied log |
| [17:48:50] | iamlindoro: | So we see |
| [17:48:53] | nurettin: | wagnerrp: what is my problem |
| [17:49:11] | wagnerrp: | did lsmod show that your audio driver was loaded? |
| [17:50:22] | nurettin: | http://pastebin.com/m63dff11b |
| [17:50:35] | nurettin: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/m63dff11b |
| [17:50:57] | wagnerrp: | its loaded, and aplay says alsa is configured to use it |
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| [17:51:20] | wagnerrp: | so the only things left is that either mythtv is set up to use the wrong alsa interface, or you have something muted in alsa mixer |
| [17:51:29] | meshe: | are your speakers plugged in? turned on? |
| [17:51:35] | wagnerrp: | (assuming youre trying to use standard analog audio) |
| [17:51:54] | meshe: | sorry, but it is another option so i gotta ask |
| [17:52:34] | nurettin: | wagnerrp: what i mus doing ? |
| [17:52:51] | wagnerrp: | have you ever changed the output device in mythtv? |
| [17:53:02] | nurettin: | wagnerrp: what i must doing ? |
| [17:53:09] | nurettin: | wagnerrp: i dont know |
| [17:53:17] | wagnerrp: | ill take that as a no... |
| [17:53:37] | wagnerrp: | then the only options left are unplugged speakers, or something still muted in alsa |
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| [17:54:35] | nurettin: | unplug speakers |
| [17:54:36] | nurettin: | ? |
| [17:55:01] | wagnerrp: | either your speakers are not functioning properly, or you need to fiddle around in alsamixer |
| [17:55:05] | nurettin: | when i opened line in sound tv card sound open. |
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| [18:00:53] | nurettin: | sound is coming when open line in . |
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| [18:01:53] | nurettin: | i am sending image file to you wagnerrp |
| [18:01:59] | nurettin: | ok ? |
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| [18:03:29] | wagnerrp: | is your tuner card connected through your line in? |
| [18:03:47] | nurettin: | yes and line in sound OK |
| [18:03:58] | nurettin: | xawtv |
| [18:04:06] | nurettin: | xawtv sound ok. |
| [18:04:10] | wagnerrp: | so then youve not yet set up mythtv to record off the lineun |
| [18:04:16] | nurettin: | but when use mythtv not sound. |
| [18:04:39] | nurettin: | how setup ? |
| [18:04:46] | wagnerrp: | no sound on livetv? or no sound on files that you know to have sound? |
| [18:04:51] | marko_d: | i have this really wierd issue, one channel works perfect, but the others loose and gain sound rabdomly |
| [18:05:17] | marko_d: | nurettin: you don't have sound?, wich card |
| [18:05:36] | nurettin: | aver tv |
| [18:05:51] | marko_d: | phillips encoder? |
| [18:05:55] | marko_d: | hardware based? |
| [18:06:00] | wagnerrp: | no encoder, framegrabber |
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| [18:06:07] | nurettin: | wagnerrp: no sound live tv and recording but xawtv yse sound. |
| [18:06:30] | wagnerrp: | nurettin: do you have any video files on your hard drive with sound? |
| [18:06:33] | nurettin: | wagnerrp: no sound live tv and recording but xawtv yes sound. |
| [18:06:49] | wagnerrp: | anything to test whether myth can actually play sounds |
| [18:07:03] | nurettin: | wagnerrp: yes ubuntu example |
| [18:07:31] | nurettin: | nelson mandela |
| [18:07:40] | nurettin: | very good sound |
| [18:07:41] | wagnerrp: | im going to say that mythtv can play sound just fine, but you have no told it how to record sound, so your recordings have no audio |
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| [18:07:56] | wagnerrp: | having never tried to set up a framegrabber with mythtv, i cannot help you further |
| [18:08:02] | nurettin: | Experience ubuntu.ogg |
| [18:08:14] | marko_d: | this sound issues are really wierd |
| [18:08:38] | nurettin: | wagnerrp: what is framegrabber ? |
| [18:09:01] | wagnerrp: | you grab and manually encode individual frames of video |
| [18:09:10] | wagnerrp: | rather than a tuner card with an mpeg encoder |
| [18:09:14] | nurettin: | very very wierd |
| [18:09:17] | wagnerrp: | or a digital card that comes pre-encoded |
| [18:09:18] | marko_d: | take a lot of cpu |
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| [18:09:46] | wagnerrp: | with a framegrabber, you have to manually record audio as well, so you have to tell mythtv what audio device to record off of |
| [18:10:16] | wagnerrp: | xawtv does not handle audio at all |
| [18:10:17] | nurettin: | my sound card 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| [18:10:28] | wagnerrp: | it just allows the sound card to pass the linein to the lineout |
| [18:10:29] | marko_d: | the isn't some mythtv forum, is there? |
| [18:10:40] | wagnerrp: | mailing list, yes... forum, no |
| [18:12:15] | marko_d: | wagnerrp: yeah could be better than irc :) |
| [18:13:12] | nurettin: | why dont capture mythtv line sound ? |
| [18:13:20] | nurettin: | why dont capture mythtv line in sound ? |
| [18:13:32] | meshe: | marko_d: http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users |
| [18:13:51] | nurettin: | how can i configure mythtv line in sound capture ? |
| [18:14:12] | marko_d: | also, i have an list of freq & channels that my cable provides, any tool to convert it to channel listing that i can import |
| [18:15:02] | marko_d: | nurettin: wait a little, guess this channel is low traffic |
| [18:15:10] | nurettin: | http://pastebin.com/m54ccc2e3 |
| [18:15:38] | marko_d: | meshe: i have registered |
| [18:15:39] | nurettin: | okay i am waiting marko |
| [18:16:40] | cesman: | nurettin: been a while since I used a tuner and had it hooked up to line in |
| [18:17:11] | cesman: | nurettin: but from what I recall, you don't tell MythTV to record line in, you set ALSA to record line in and it should work |
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| [18:19:12] | nurettin: | i configured from ubuntu volume control recode line in |
| [18:24:13] | wagnerrp: | dont brooktree cards usually have integrated audio capture? |
| [18:24:22] | wagnerrp: | no need for the use of linein... |
| [18:25:31] | nurettin: | what i must do ? |
| [18:25:55] | wagnerrp: | apparently theres issues with btaudio on the avermedia cards |
| [18:26:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | brooktree cards do not. |
| [18:26:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | OTOH, BT cards are relics. |
| [18:26:30] | marko_d: | send a mail to the list :) |
| [18:27:59] | nurettin: | whois mythtv guru??? |
| [18:28:49] | wagnerrp: | all the 'mythtv gurus' have burned their framegrabbers as an act of freedom against the pain they cause |
| [18:29:06] | wagnerrp: | youre pretty much stuck with 'clever', whenever he comes back on |
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| [18:30:57] | marko_d: | i have sound from 399,25 to 551,25 |
| [18:32:16] | nurettin: | i view tv but i cant use sound. |
| [18:33:17] | wagnerrp: | completely different problem |
| [18:35:01] | wagnerrp: | stop sending me stuff |
| [18:35:06] | wagnerrp: | i told you what your problem is |
| [18:35:14] | marko_d: | nurettin: you can imagine the framebuffer card like having an tiny tv screen, a camera & mic |
| [18:35:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont have any experience with that, and dont know how to set it up |
| [18:35:31] | marko_d: | the camera works, the mic doesn't |
| [18:35:45] | nurettin: | wagnerrp: excuseme |
| [18:36:18] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple people still around on here using framegrabbers |
| [18:36:26] | wagnerrp: | but most have thrown them away long ago |
| [18:36:35] | marko_d: | nurettin: i'm setting up mythbuntu for a neighbour, with an framebuffer card, also having that kind of issue |
| [18:37:14] | wagnerrp: | you need to get your sound card driver to set up a /dev/dsp node |
| [18:37:34] | wagnerrp: | and then you have to set your card in mythtv-setup to record off that node |
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| [18:37:51] | wagnerrp: | /dev/dsp is the old OSS format, mythtv does not know how to record off ALSA |
| [18:38:04] | nurettin: | marko_d: you cant resolve ok i understand. |
| [18:38:08] | wagnerrp: | but ALSA has an OSS compatibility mode that should create the necessary nodes |
| [18:38:22] | marko_d: | nurettin: no, when i dig into it |
| [18:38:25] | wagnerrp: | thats the basic process, but ive never done it myself |
| [18:38:52] | marko_d: | i will inform you :) |
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| [18:40:12] | nurettin: | marko when resolved please sen resolutin my mail address nurettin at nurettinalp.com |
| [18:40:23] | marko_d: | k |
| [18:40:49] | nurettin: | thank you marko |
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| [18:45:38] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta | |
| [18:46:47] | iamlindoro: | Okay, I'm officially done documenting MythUI again for a bit :) |
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| [18:48:49] | ** kormoc gives iamlindoro 15 minutes ** | |
| [18:48:55] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:49:11] | iamlindoro: | At least with the wiki I can't become frustrated that my changes are sitting in trac ;) |
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| [18:53:06] | K-A-R-R: | HELP HOW I INSTALL MythUbruntu |
| [18:55:46] | kormoc: | K-A-R-R, #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [18:56:31] | iamlindoro: | MANUAL READ MUST DO QUICKLY |
| [18:56:45] | iamlindoro: | SHOUT WHY WE DO? |
| [18:57:21] | stuarta: | SHOUT DO WE WHY, HMMMM??? |
| [18:57:44] | stuarta: | </yoda> |
| [18:57:47] | iamlindoro: | stuarta: when 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not, hm? |
| [18:58:02] | stuarta: | hmmm, hehe :0 |
| [18:58:10] | kormoc: | Yoda gets all the 800 year old tail. Hrmpf! |
| [18:59:57] | K-A-R-R: | LOL |
| [19:00:40] | jamesd_: | kormoc, the question is, does anyone want the 800 year old tail... i personally won't touch any tail over 600 years. |
| [19:01:52] | gbee: | hmm, something is wrong with my filters, didn't receive the email to the new list :/ |
| [19:04:54] | gbee: | oops, found them |
| [19:05:38] | nurettin: | ubuntu sound capture config |
| [19:05:51] | nurettin: | bt 87x analog |
| [19:06:04] | nurettin: | bt87x digital |
| [19:06:16] | nurettin: | alc662 analog |
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| [19:06:39] | nurettin: | alsa advanced linux sound architecture |
| [19:06:49] | nurettin: | oss open sopund system |
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| [19:07:01] | nurettin: | pulse audio sound server |
| [19:07:06] | stuarta: | thats a nice list |
| [19:07:09] | iamlindoro: | list of thing |
| [19:07:13] | nurettin: | test sound |
| [19:07:13] | iamlindoro: | list of different thing |
| [19:07:15] | nurettin: | silence |
| [19:07:17] | iamlindoro: | list of more different thing |
| [19:07:23] | nurettin: | which must selected ? |
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| [19:10:41] | gbee: | ubuntu sound capture config? – oh, this is #ubuntu, whoops |
| [19:11:12] | nurettin: | but mythtv sound capture .. |
| [19:11:26] | stuarta: | does it work outside myth? |
| [19:12:18] | gbee: | nurettin: #mythbuntu |
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| [19:24:19] | meshe: | stupid iphone |
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| [19:27:07] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, this little perl album art grabber does a not-half-bad job of grabbing it all from Amazon, slick |
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| [19:27:37] | iamlindoro: | Probably catching 90% of my stuff, not bad for an automated tool |
| [19:28:53] | gbee: | what res? |
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| [19:29:18] | iamlindoro: | Will have to wait for it to finish, I'm not sure |
| [19:31:04] | iamlindoro: | 300x300-- nothing fancy, but not too terrible I guess |
| [19:32:45] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Have you noticed Qt appears to open image files by their extension type? |
| [19:32:58] | iamlindoro: | ie a png with extension jpg will fail |
| [19:33:03] | gbee: | aye |
| [19:33:06] | iamlindoro: | sucky |
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| [19:33:22] | gbee: | started doing it with Qt4, wasn't a proble with 3 |
| [19:33:22] | meshe: | it should be using magic |
| [19:33:32] | gbee: | or headers ;) |
| [19:33:42] | meshe: | yeah, magic |
| [19:34:05] | iamlindoro: | was going to say, I thought for sure it handled it properly in Qt3 |
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| [19:36:56] | meshe: | gbee: yeah, magic or headers (proved myself wrong) |
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| [19:37:56] | marko_d: | isn't that os relatedf |
| [19:38:00] | marko_d: | *related ? |
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| [19:38:19] | iamlindoro: | No. |
| [19:38:30] | tmwsiy20121: | Hi I am wondering if anyone here is running on CentOS 5.3? |
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| [19:38:51] | meshe: | typically *nix variants don't give a damn what the extention is, they look at the first part of the file to determine what's in it |
| [19:38:56] | gbee: | no, most common image types are identifiable from the first few bytes of the file – open a jpg in a text editor for example |
| [19:39:02] | tmwsiy20121: | and if the wiki articles for Cent are up to date |
| [19:39:45] | marko_d: | that could be a bug in qt4, if qt3 worked |
| [19:40:14] | iamlindoro: | marko_d: That's exactly what we were *saying*, dud |
| [19:40:16] | iamlindoro: | dude |
| [19:40:24] | iamlindoro: | Welcome to five minutes ago |
| [19:40:29] | marko_d: | repott :) |
| [19:40:33] | marko_d: | *report |
| [19:40:41] | gbee: | tmwsiy20121: really doubt they are, check the edit history though – 0.21 was released in Mar 08, unless there were significant edits since then ... |
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| [19:41:10] | ** iamlindoro loves it when people come in to the channel for the first time and dictate to the regulars what a bug is ** | |
| [19:41:20] | tmwsiy20121: | gbee thanks actually been two point release since then |
| [19:42:00] | marko_d: | iamlindoro: yeah :) |
| [19:42:33] | marko_d: | but i'm actually really stupid :) |
| [19:42:50] | gbee: | err, no there haven't, last official release was Mar 08 – you might mean package releases derived from the -fixes stable branch |
| [19:43:08] | marko_d: | i was trying to put together two femal coaxial sockets |
| [19:43:31] | marko_d: | *female, and i'm so nervious that i make typos |
| [19:43:45] | gbee: | but -fixes includes no major changes or new features so documentation written for 0.21 would apply |
| [19:45:33] | gbee: | dare I ask why anyone would take an Enterprise version of linux as the basis for myth? I mean if you like pain ... |
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| [19:46:46] | iamlindoro: | to feel the exhilaration of trying to compile v4l drivers for an old kernel, of course! |
| [19:47:33] | iamlindoro: | Mmmm, 2.6.18, yummy |
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| [19:50:47] | pfn: | gbee, why not? enterprise linux means stable, which means good for a "set-top-box" sort of setup |
| [19:50:52] | gbee: | QT 4.2 ... |
| [19:50:56] | pfn: | gbee, I'd rather run myth on centos, imo |
| [19:51:22] | pfn: | stable + long term support, that is |
| [19:51:30] | gbee: | oh that's just the bullshit that everyone running CentOS comes out with |
| [19:51:30] | pfn: | I suppose ubuntu LTS is ok as well |
| [19:51:51] | gbee: | pretty much every major distro of linux can be just as stable |
| [19:51:59] | pfn: | it's a matter of the support period |
| [19:52:12] | pfn: | I dislike upgrading my dist ever 6–12 months |
| [19:52:19] | pfn: | every |
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| [19:52:30] | tmwsiy20121: | gbee: what is the preferred distro? I just use rhel at work all day... just more natural for me and my first choice of distro if one is presented |
| [19:52:41] | meshe: | mythbuntu! |
| [19:52:43] | gbee: | and the fact that an Enterprise distro uses such old versions of everything means they miss out on bug fixes etc |
| [19:52:58] | pfn: | gbee, bug fixes are generally there, no new features, though, which *is* a bummer |
| [19:53:27] | GrahamIRC: | tmwsiy20121: I use both CentOS and Fedora for Myth |
| [19:54:18] | pfn: | gbee, but that's fine for me |
| [19:54:22] | gbee: | pfn: many bug fixes sit on top of code changes by new features, just like many bug fixes in myth are never backported, the same is true for those enterprise editions |
| [19:54:26] | meshe: | tmwsiy20121: if you are just setting up a box that is going to only do myth either MythDora or MythBuntu make the setup easier |
| [19:54:37] | gbee: | tmwsiy20121: well you could pick Fedora then – desktop user version of RHEL without the huge lag in software versions |
| [19:54:54] | gbee: | or MythDora |
| [19:55:27] | gbee: | for a PVR you really want a recent kernel since the drivers get constant attention |
| [19:55:49] | GrahamIRC: | Mythbuntu is great too, but steer clear of the 9.04 release for now – it's just out and a little buggy – 8.10 is a good place to start |
| [19:57:07] | tmwsiy20121: | To All: thanks for the great feedback. I have a hd homerun being dlivered today and was wondering if commercial removal is nto a concern could I get by with running it on an alix board? I also have an older athlon (1 Ghz) I believe |
| [19:57:15] | BaZiL: | i am running mythbuntu .. but when i want to upgrade to 8,10 it tells me that there is no drivers for my nvidiacard .. can i still upgrade ? |
| [19:57:30] | gbee: | yeah, I'd always wait 3 months after the release of any mainline distro before taking the plunge, but beyond that they are more stable that Centos types would give credit |
| [19:57:30] | iamlindoro: | BaZiL: Ask in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [19:57:40] | pfn: | gbee, I plan on running mythtv in a vm, so a "recent" kernel isn't a consideration for me (in conjunction with an hdhr) |
| [19:57:44] | tmwsiy20121: | my centos box is like a 1.4 Ghz but it also is my router and fielserver an it runs a gui |
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| [19:58:33] | GrahamIRC: | my main myth backend is running on CentOS and has been for a long time |
| [19:58:55] | GrahamIRC: | my dev box is on fedora cos I want to play with newer hardware and other apps |
| [19:59:23] | GrahamIRC: | but if I were to dedicate a machine to a master backend (which I might), I'd probably do it on CentOS |
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| [19:59:37] | gbee: | mostly when RH talks about the stability of things like RHEL, they mean the software environment is stable, you can develop your applications against them and not have the rug pulled out a few months later – it's not uptime stability which most distros naturally have (when configured correctly and avoiding known unstable apps) |
| [20:00:00] | iamlindoro: | Only bug I've been bitten by so far on Ubuntu 9.04 is an obnoxious 10 second hang in any GTK application when trying to open a open or save dialog |
| [20:01:19] | tmwsiy20121: | Graham: So if I use the kernel from Centos plus it should be fairly straght forward (this is going to be dedicated backend) |
| [20:01:20] | GrahamIRC: | I'm getting a blue screen on video playback on mythbuntu 9.04 |
| [20:01:28] | GrahamIRC: | worked fine on 8.10 |
| [20:01:34] | meshe: | iamlindoro: did you do a dist-upgrade or fresh install? |
| [20:01:44] | iamlindoro: | meshe: dist upgrade |
| [20:02:27] | gbee: | CentOS users are going to be out of luck when 0.22 arrives, but then I guess they already know that |
| [20:02:46] | meshe: | why's that? |
| [20:02:52] | iamlindoro: | They can just get JYAhole to backport all the features to 4.2 for them ;) |
| [20:03:00] | GrahamIRC: | tmwsiy20121: yes, it's reasonably straightforward. I moved to CentOS from Fedora 7 cos when Fedora 8/9 came out the repo updates for myth stopped! |
| [20:03:02] | iamlindoro: | Qt 4.2 that is |
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| [20:03:13] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Myth min Qt = 4.4, CentOS = 4.2 |
| [20:03:16] | GrahamIRC: | whereas the repo updates for Myth on CentOS keep coming |
| [20:03:42] | gbee: | the newly released 5.3 is stuck with QT 4.2, we'll require a minimum of 4.5 for 0.22 (well 4.4 with some features unavailable) |
| [20:03:44] | meshe: | ahhh, yeah, now i remember why i hate redhat |
| [20:03:50] | GrahamIRC: | gbee: I guess it'll catch up again when CentOS 6 comes out? |
| [20:04:30] | pfn: | gbee, so is a LTS ubuntu better in that regard? |
| [20:04:34] | ** pfn imagines no ** | |
| [20:04:38] | dustybin: | GrahamIRC: are you on IRC by any chance? |
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| [20:04:54] | GrahamIRC: | aren't we all? |
| [20:04:57] | Essobi: | Afternoon all.. |
| [20:05:08] | pfn: | GrahamIRC, the question is in reference to your dork badge |
| [20:05:22] | GrahamIRC: | lol |
| [20:05:26] | Essobi: | pfn: Did you steal his? |
| [20:05:30] | GrahamIRC: | well I had to think up a username! |
| [20:05:35] | gbee: | GrahamIRC: depends whether they'll go as far as using 4.4/4.5, if the choice of 4.2 is a guide as to the lag ~2 years, then probably not |
| [20:05:55] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: It would have been better if he had named himself trashcan like you? |
| [20:05:56] | GrahamIRC: | I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it |
| [20:06:27] | GrahamIRC: | but tha above was my reason for moving from Fedora to CentOS |
| [20:06:51] | iamlindoro: | Can upgrade to .22 juuuuust in time for .25 |
| [20:06:57] | GrahamIRC: | I most familiar with Red Hat derived distros so that's what I tend to gravitate towards |
| [20:07:06] | tmwsiy20121: | it seems to matter not from whince thine came or thoust goeth.... pain abounds |
| [20:07:18] | GrahamIRC: | all part of the fun |
| [20:08:37] | GrahamIRC: | but presumably if I'm running just a backend on CentOS then I wont care about QT? |
| [20:09:04] | meshe: | 1. keep a separate disk for your system install 2. backup your locally modified conf files 3. back up your database 4. install latest verson of Ubuntu or Fedora 5. restore conf files and database 6. enjoy |
| [20:09:23] | meshe: | GrahamIRC: er, no |
| [20:09:33] | GrahamIRC: | lol ok |
| [20:09:37] | meshe: | myth uses QT libs everywhere |
| [20:10:16] | tmwsiy20121: | I just need to ditch my satellite bill and cant do without pvr :) |
| [20:11:21] | ** tmwsiy20121 is giddy to get home and play! ** | |
| [20:11:23] | tmwsiy20121: | lol |
| [20:12:37] | gbee: | QT isn't a UI toolkit ... that's part of what it does, but actually not the largest part |
| [20:12:49] | GrahamIRC: | ok |
| [20:13:08] | meshe: | it's an application framework |
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| [20:13:30] | GrahamIRC: | my dev box is fedora 10 and I plan to move that to replace the CentOS box so I should be ok :-) |
| [20:14:51] | ** pfn wishes fedora10 had an easy upgrade path rather than putting in a disk and upgrading ** | |
| [20:14:57] | ** pfn <3 solaris' liveupgrade feature ** | |
| [20:15:31] | sphex: | hey. question: if I got a TV with just a left/mono RCA audio input, and my soundcard output is split into two left/right RCA cables, will I be able to get mythtv to mix both channels so that my TV gets mono sound right? |
| [20:16:18] | GrahamIRC: | I'm documenting everything I do on Fedora 10 cos I have a cr@p memory – so hopefully a move to 11 will be less painful |
| [20:16:31] | pfn: | sphex, cheap ass tv, use a y-cable to merge them |
| [20:16:33] | meshe: | sphex: i think you need to do that in Alsa, not mythtv |
| [20:17:12] | Essobi: | anyone know if DirectTV/Dish does any of the 5C like blocking on video outputs like the Motorola cable boxes do? I'm thinking about replacing my cable with something more MythTV friendly.. |
| [20:17:47] | iamlindoro: | Essobi: Given they don't have firewire, no, there's no 5C |
| [20:17:53] | iamlindoro: | (5C is firewire only) |
| [20:18:21] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: Umm. No it's not. |
| [20:18:24] | sphex: | pfn: yeah it's a cheap ass TV. ok so if I can't fix it in software guess I'll get a Y cable for that. didn't find one when I searched for something like that though. |
| [20:18:34] | iamlindoro: | Essobi: Umm. Yes it *is*. |
| [20:19:02] | tmwsiy20121: | sphex: radio shack will surely have them |
| [20:19:11] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: citing... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Transmis . . . t_Protection USB, IP, WiFi, Bluetooth, and MOST all can support 5C. |
| [20:19:20] | sphex: | meshe: ok, wherever. guess I'll read alsa's FM then. |
| [20:19:24] | iamlindoro: | Essobi: But none *do* in STBs |
| [20:19:29] | gbee: | for the record, myth uses QT for a raft of features and benefits from it's platform independence, anything using QT as a whole will run on OSX/Windows/*nix and multiple architectures without needing lots of platform specific hacks to be written. In particular we benefit from QTs unicode string handling, xml parsing, file system interaction, image loading and transformation, event loops and signal/slot mechanisms and it's containers |
| [20:19:44] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: That's not what you stated. :) |
| [20:19:53] | pfn: | gbee, qt also in database connectivity... iirc |
| [20:20:00] | iamlindoro: | Essobi: Fine, Firewire is the only 5C output on any STB anywhere with 5C |
| [20:20:00] | gbee: | what we don't use QT for anymore (from 0.22) is it's UI tools |
| [20:20:02] | iamlindoro: | happy? |
| [20:20:08] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: :) |
| [20:20:16] | iamlindoro: | now you have your answer |
| [20:20:31] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: <--- anal-retentive. |
| [20:20:32] | gbee: | pfn: yeah it's database layers and probably some other things I'm forgetting |
| [20:20:39] | iamlindoro: | evidently |
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| [20:21:38] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: So... hmm... Do I shell out the change for a haup HD PVR box... or say screw you to my cable, and find a sat provider... |
| [20:22:09] | pfn: | gbee, although db abstraction is kind of silly, since mythtv has no intention of ever being db portable, heh |
| [20:22:13] | iamlindoro: | Essobi: With a Sat provider, you'll still need an HD-PVR if you want HD |
| [20:22:37] | kormoc: | Essobi, my dish receiver was a standard motorola |
| [20:22:49] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: Really? Meh.. Was hoping there was one with firewire out or and STB streaming feature... |
| [20:22:53] | meshe: | db portability is a lot of work for a project of myth's size |
| [20:23:17] | Essobi: | kormoc: Ehh? My cable uses the Motorola 64XXs for streaming.. |
| [20:23:21] | iamlindoro: | Essobi: Nope, with dish or DTV, you will still need to capture analog outputs |
| [20:23:30] | kormoc: | pfn, we're open to it if someone wants to put the time/effort into it... |
| [20:23:39] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: Eeeeeehsh. |
| [20:23:47] | kormoc: | Essobi, and my dish networks receiver was a motorola 6200 |
| [20:23:50] | gbee: | pfn: not having to write our own DB interaction layers is valuable enough, QT serves us by taking away all those mundane tasks and day to day contructs |
| [20:24:08] | Essobi: | kormoc: Really? Hmm.. USA? can you do firewire with it? |
| [20:24:19] | pfn: | kormoc, I'm not as against mysql as I used to be--now, I'm just going to shove mythtv into a vm and not care that mysql runs |
| [20:24:26] | meshe: | kormoc: you'd not have a problem losing the ability to use mysql only features? we tried going to ANSI SQL at my company, and it was not fun |
| [20:24:43] | ** pfn used to despise mysql enough to not have it installed on any machine he uses ** | |
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| [20:25:07] | kormoc: | Essobi, firewire was disabled, and they're not required by the FCC to enable it |
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| [20:25:12] | Essobi: | kormoc: Odd... Cause google is saying the moto 6200 HD is a digital cable box... |
| [20:25:19] | Essobi: | kormoc: Ghey.. |
| [20:25:31] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [20:25:43] | kormoc: | that was the model number on the back, 6200-somethingsomethingsomething |
| [20:25:48] | Essobi: | kormoc: What'd you win up using to capture? |
| [20:25:55] | Essobi: | s/win/wind |
| [20:26:04] | kormoc: | meshe, meh, I'm personally for mysql, but if someone wants to do the work, I'll play fair |
| [20:26:11] | kormoc: | Essobi, pvr 150, sd only |
| [20:26:17] | Essobi: | meshe: ANSI SQL makes DBAs go postal.. It's ugly. |
| [20:26:37] | kormoc: | least it's portable! |
| [20:26:40] | meshe: | and mysql doesnt' even support the full ANSI standard |
| [20:26:57] | gbee: | kormoc: actually, we're not all that open, it just adds work because they all have differing adoptions of SQL standards, queries would need rewriting and you can bet that one or the other would reguarly break because devs haven't the time to cross reference the different manuals |
| [20:26:59] | kormoc: | mysql+inno is fully '99 iirc |
| [20:27:10] | kormoc: | gbee, ahh, fair 'nuff |
| [20:27:17] | gbee: | whoah, I was slow |
| [20:27:22] | kormoc: | I figured we just counted on noone bothering to put the work in :P |
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| [20:27:34] | Essobi: | kormoc: Pretty happy with the 150? |
| [20:27:57] | wagnerrp: | Essobi: i have no (current) complaints with my 150s |
| [20:28:03] | kormoc: | Essobi, sure, although I just moved to FIOS tv and getting a hdpvr |
| [20:28:04] | gbee: | someone once put in the work for post ... it never happened because the changes were too invasive IIRC |
| [20:28:21] | pfn: | gbee, yeah, it was like issue #228 on track |
| [20:28:25] | pfn: | trac |
| [20:28:39] | wagnerrp: | they used to be a PITA when you had to setup driver settings, and firmwares, and such.... but now they pretty much 'just work' |
| [20:28:44] | gbee: | and for a very long time now we've wanted to go the opposite direction – embedded DB |
| [20:28:55] | Essobi: | kormoc: Ah.. I've got 20Mb internet at the house.. |
| [20:29:00] | pfn: | gbee, sqlite makes a lot of sense for mythtv |
| [20:29:08] | gbee: | pfn: we tried it, far too slow |
| [20:29:17] | meshe: | libmysqld |
| [20:29:21] | pfn: | gbee, too slow? really, that's interesting |
| [20:29:36] | pfn: | how complex is the mythtv schema? |
| [20:29:47] | gbee: | for a while we liked the idea of SQLite, just completely choked on our scheduling SQL |
| [20:30:12] | meshe: | now that i could see, i finally saw mfd choke a machine |
| [20:30:25] | Essobi: | wagnerrp/kormoc: You're capturing 320x240 on the 150s right? |
| [20:30:31] | gbee: | so now we're proposing libmysqld – as meshe said |
| [20:30:37] | wagnerrp: | 720x480 @6600kbps |
| [20:30:38] | tmwsiy20121: | gbee: thats interesting... does myth have many threads/procs that hit the db at once? |
| [20:30:57] | Essobi: | gbee: that can be fixed... if your locking/transactioning isn't done right.. you can choke out SQLite pretty quickly. |
| [20:31:05] | gbee: | tmwsiy20121: no, just a very large and evil query at the heart of it's scheduler |
| [20:31:10] | wagnerrp: | Essobi: i might consider that low resolution if i were digitizing a long-play VHS |
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| [20:31:50] | Essobi: | wagnerrp: Oh.. I didn't ... Okay.. I'm REALLY green to the whole home media revolution.. (My 55" is ~10 years old).. |
| [20:31:51] | kormoc: | Essobi, likely 720x480 or 480x480 |
| [20:32:14] | Essobi: | kormoc: I didn't think SD included above 320x240.. My bad. |
| [20:32:35] | gbee: | we even had offers from the guy behind SQLite to make changes just to accomodate myth ;) Think his head exploded when he saw the query though ... j/k I've really no idea what came of that |
| [20:32:39] | kormoc: | Essobi, it sorta doesn't... it's weird. |
| [20:32:42] | wagnerrp: | standard definition is 525 lines, or 480 lines of video |
| [20:32:50] | Essobi: | So even capturing at 720x480 wont look THAT bad.. |
| [20:32:57] | wagnerrp: | for PAL, its 625 lines, or 576 lines of video |
| [20:33:04] | Essobi: | ah, roger that.. |
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| [20:34:00] | Essobi: | gbee: I've got queries here at work that literally are bigger then 80x24. |
| [20:34:10] | pfn: | thems some fucked up queries |
| [20:34:12] | gbee: | tmwsiy20121: to avoid confusion, yes multiple threads and processes hit the DB at the same time, but in the trials that wasn't the biggest issue |
| [20:34:15] | Essobi: | pfn: Fo sho. |
| [20:34:30] | wagnerrp: | pfn: watch the language in here |
| [20:34:50] | tmwsiy20121: | gbee: thanks for the clarification |
| [20:34:55] | pfn: | pg13 eh |
| [20:35:15] | Essobi: | pfn: It's a custom billing/provisioning/monitoring/etc frontend in php with the backend in mysql. |
| [20:35:16] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [20:35:22] | wagnerrp: | its occasionally enforced |
| [20:35:35] | gbee: | it might have become the problem if we'd ever got past the scheduler, but that was such a major roadblock there wasn't much point in examining other potential issues |
| [20:35:57] | Essobi: | .... |
| [20:36:03] | pfn: | essobi sounds poorly written ;-) |
| [20:36:21] | Essobi: | pfn: Nah.. That's just the webside. |
| [20:36:30] | meshe: | huge queries != poorly written |
| [20:36:31] | Essobi: | pfn: Everything else is C daemons. |
| [20:37:05] | ** pfn holds back jokes about php being the method of choice for relaying mysql errors to the web ** | |
| [20:37:08] | ** pfn blinks innocently ** | |
| [20:37:20] | ** kormoc gives pfn an evil look ** | |
| [20:37:23] | Essobi: | meshe: Generally Huge queries = better normalization (or over normalization) |
| [20:38:02] | kormoc: | I also don't use aliases unless I absolutely have to, so that makes my queries a fair bit larger, and I always do table.col notation at the least |
| [20:38:43] | gbee: | pfn: heh, ASP being the method of choice to display errors full stop |
| [20:38:48] | Essobi: | But umm... yea.. I've got some MySQL experience with tables in excess of 100M records... *SHRUG* |
| [20:38:50] | meshe: | Essobi: true, can also mean someone knows how to use SQL and the optimizations in the database server |
| [20:39:01] | Essobi: | kormoc: lol.. I don't use aliases either... |
| [20:39:18] | Essobi: | kormoc: And... I acutally use database.table.col syntax... :) |
| [20:39:20] | pfn: | not a fan of using aliases? |
| [20:39:21] | ** pfn boggles ** | |
| [20:39:41] | iamlindoro: | I like ponies |
| [20:39:42] | Essobi: | pfn: I'm an R&D engineer, not a DBA. :) |
| [20:39:45] | meshe: | i use column aliases for generated fields, and table aliases when i need to join to a table more than once |
| [20:39:47] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: I LIKE CAKE! |
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| [20:40:03] | wagnerrp: | sadly, there is no cake |
| [20:40:06] | Essobi: | :( |
| [20:40:11] | kormoc: | meshe, exactly |
| [20:40:20] | wagnerrp: | your friends ate it all, the party is over |
| [20:40:22] | iamlindoro: | nom nom |
| [20:40:25] | kormoc: | Essobi, aye, we have databases in the multi-t range here |
| [20:40:41] | iamlindoro: | Shall not be mourned, it says so right here, very official. Shall. Not. Be. Mourned. |
| [20:40:44] | meshe: | and we have a table that i haven't looked at in a while, but it was > 240M rows |
| [20:40:49] | kormoc: | and I never use database. syntax on most projects largely cause the db name is configured |
| [20:41:01] | gbee: | seriously I see errors all the time on sites that run ASP ... far more than I see from PHP/Perl/C++/Ruby combined, either ASP invites sloppy work or it's the language/platform itself |
| [20:41:14] | Essobi: | kormoc: right... I think we're floating around .8TB on the non archives ATM.. |
| [20:41:15] | pfn: | gbee, both |
| [20:41:47] | ** kormoc guesses pfn is a perl/ruby/python fan ** | |
| [20:42:00] | pfn: | kormoc, I use whatever works, but for web stuff, mostly java |
| [20:42:06] | ** kormoc shudders ** | |
| [20:42:17] | Essobi: | kormoc: We use databases for disk level/config level/security level partitioning in some cases, or if there's a set of tables that change rapidly/dynamically.. so I just got used to doing 3. style. |
| [20:42:23] | ** gbee closes the window ** | |
| [20:42:30] | meshe: | i heard that bash is good for web apps ;) |
| [20:42:32] | gbee: | sorry about the draft kormoc |
| [20:42:37] | Essobi: | He said the J word, and it wasn't joint. :| |
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| [20:42:43] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [20:42:47] | Essobi: | Or Jebus. |
| [20:42:53] | kormoc: | mod_bash for apache! |
| [20:42:58] | Essobi: | kormoc: FTW! |
| [20:42:58] | meshe: | sweet |
| [20:43:08] | Essobi: | lol... I <3 Bash. |
| [20:43:12] | kormoc: | Description : mod_bash on is an Apache module that embeds the bash interpreter within the server |
| [20:43:31] | Essobi: | I've wrote CGI scripts in sh. :) |
| [20:43:33] | kormoc: | it's totally real :P |
| [20:43:38] | Essobi: | kormoc: I KNOW! |
| [20:43:38] | meshe: | haha |
| [20:43:39] | Essobi: | heh.. |
| [20:44:03] | meshe: | now, if you could only setuid root on scripts... |
| [20:44:31] | Essobi: | ... for name in `ls *.mpeg` ; do echo "<H>$name</H>" ; done |
| [20:44:42] | Essobi: | meshe: Umm.. so do it on the executable. |
| [20:44:52] | kormoc: | Essobi, nah, mod_bash allows it to be non-cgi style |
| [20:44:53] | kormoc: | http://www.autistici.org/bakunin/mod_bash/ |
| [20:45:14] | Essobi: | meshe: on the interpreter.... |
| [20:45:23] | Essobi: | kormoc: :) |
| [20:45:28] | meshe: | sudo chmod 4755 /bin/bash |
| [20:45:35] | Essobi: | :) |
| [20:45:55] | kormoc: | just have apache run as root! |
| [20:46:15] | meshe: | there's a good idea |
| [20:46:31] | meshe: | then you never have to worry about permissions |
| [20:46:53] | kormoc: | Exactly! |
| [20:47:25] | meshe: | i should probably also just log into X as root |
| [20:47:34] | meshe: | forget this sudo or su thing |
| [20:48:21] | kormoc: | aye, and drop the whole password requirement, just replace /bin/login with /bin/bash |
| [20:48:49] | meshe: | nice |
| [20:49:21] | Essobi: | lol |
| [20:49:38] | Essobi: | So umm. |
| [20:49:46] | meshe: | heh |
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| [20:50:55] | iamlindoro: | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Portal_(game) |
| [20:50:59] | iamlindoro: | Those quotes never get old |
| [20:52:05] | Essobi: | I LIKE CAKE! |
| [20:53:17] | meshe: | http://www.bash.org/?214827 |
| [20:54:01] | meshe: | SFW |
| [20:54:13] | iamlindoro: | meshe: And if you get the joke, you might be an IRC nerd :) |
| [20:54:18] | Essobi: | meshe: HAHA. |
| [20:54:22] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: Awww. :( |
| [20:54:24] | ** meshe smiles ** | |
| [20:54:54] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, gonna add in quotes into the themes? :P |
| [20:55:11] | meshe: | IRC addict for 15 years and counting, NetOps for 5 years and counting |
| [20:55:18] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Why not, I've added everything else! |
| [20:55:41] | iamlindoro: | someday xris will stop ignoring my pings and he will be forced to replace the Myth screenshots with sexy ones |
| [20:55:45] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [20:56:05] | kormoc: | so they all involve Jewel eh? :P |
| [20:56:07] | iamlindoro: | FORCED I tell you |
| [20:56:13] | iamlindoro: | Oooh, I knew I forgot something |
| [20:56:17] | meshe: | lol |
| [20:57:31] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/screenshots/ |
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| [20:58:18] | iamlindoro: | I mean I know you like http://www.mythtv.org/img/screenshots/tv_mainscreen.jpg more than http://www.fecitfacta.com/screenshots/tv_mainscreen.png kormoc, but you gotta get with the times |
| [20:58:26] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: I like the browswer one.. |
| [20:59:00] | kormoc: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/screenshots/tv_pip.png has corruption with the PIP part |
| [20:59:09] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, G.A.N.T 4 life yo! |
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| [20:59:28] | ** iamlindoro expects kormoc to get a tatoo on his abdomen reading "GANT LIFE" ** | |
| [20:59:35] | Essobi: | kormoc: SHO NUFF |
| [20:59:52] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: Betta wretchonize. |
| [20:59:59] | iamlindoro: | lovely |
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| [21:00:21] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: You're right, let's just leave http://www.mythtv.org/img/screenshots/tv_pip.jpg |
| [21:00:22] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [21:00:45] | Essobi: | FRAGGLE ROCK?!!?! |
| [21:00:47] | Essobi: | Heh.. |
| [21:01:03] | Essobi: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/screenshots/mythvideo_list.png <-- full of win. |
| [21:01:48] | Essobi: | kormoc: Are the haup 150s still in production? |
| [21:02:44] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, hehe |
| [21:02:54] | kormoc: | Essobi, negative |
| [21:02:54] | dan__t: | I miss mine, its up in Denver:( |
| [21:02:59] | kormoc: | but still for sale in places |
| [21:03:04] | dan__t: | It was a nice, good, solid card. |
| [21:03:11] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, I still say, needs more jewel! |
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| [21:03:46] | Essobi: | Hmm... I'm going to check my tuner tonight and see how much is blocked out on the DVR... |
| [21:03:49] | kormoc: | </Christopher Walken> |
| [21:03:58] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Maybe I'll replace one of them with MOAR JWL |
| [21:04:04] | dan__t: | I really do wish DirecTV would give me the make/model of STB I'll be using to see if I can use Mr. Firewire with it. |
| [21:04:40] | Essobi: | Mmmm.. Maybe I'll get an 1800 or a 1600 dual... |
| [21:04:40] | kormoc: | dan__t, just assume not as they're not required by the FCC to enable it at all |
| [21:04:47] | CyberKnet: | aaah man, you gotta know the worst thing to see when you join a channel is a </Christopher Walken>. Now my mind ... will be wondering ... for hours. |
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| [21:05:00] | dan__t: | I read that. |
| [21:05:39] | Essobi: | Hehe.. |
| [21:05:43] | Essobi: | Later taters. |
| [21:05:47] | Essobi: | I'm heading out.. |
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| [21:06:06] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, just a cuter take on the more cowbell speal |
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| [21:06:31] | CyberKnet: | I gotta have more cowbell, baby! |
| [21:06:35] | meshe: | Essobi: are you in the US? |
| [21:07:01] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: Aaah, I wasn't sure if it was the disjointed speech Walken, or the weird sketch walken. |
| [21:07:33] | meshe: | iamlindoro: Fraggle Rock is awesome |
| [21:07:34] | CyberKnet: | I went for the disjointed speech Walken to convey the mind wondering thought. |
| [21:07:50] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Preaching to the choir ;) |
| [21:08:08] | kormoc: | Down in Fraggle Rock! |
| [21:08:21] | meshe: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481649/ |
| [21:08:34] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, disjointed is likely a solid description of myself right now :P |
| [21:09:19] | iamlindoro: | meshe: I like the posts at the bottom demanding that Jim Henson have creative control |
| [21:09:30] | iamlindoro: | Mmmm, Zombie Henson |
| [21:09:34] | meshe: | iamlindoro: yeah, i just saw that :) |
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| [21:09:53] | iamlindoro: | Could get Brian involved, though |
| [21:10:02] | meshe: | he's supposed to be involved |
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| [21:11:05] | meshe: | Henson Co. co-topper Lisa Henson is producing, whilst Brian Henson will exec produce. |
| [21:11:19] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [21:11:27] | iamlindoro: | Brian gets automatic points for Farscape |
| [21:11:55] | meshe: | that is one movie i would be there opening day for |
| [21:11:59] | iamlindoro: | Man, Star Trek next week, forgot about that |
| [21:13:43] | meshe: | i saw them kill Data in the theatre, i'm not planning on seeing any more ST movies |
| [21:13:53] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [21:13:58] | kormoc: | Data... dead? |
| [21:14:21] | meshe: | years ago |
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| [21:15:36] | meshe: | Nemesis |
| [21:15:45] | kormoc: | oh lord, I had blocked that movie out |
| [21:16:05] | iamlindoro: | This is Abrams, though, I'm not a huge ST fan but I'll go because I like him |
| [21:16:19] | iamlindoro: | I'm actually even *excited* to go, and I can't say I felt that way about a ST movie before |
| [21:16:52] | kormoc: | In the comic Star Trek Countdown, Data is now the captain of the Enterprise-E after his neural nets were successfully merged with the B-4 prototype android. In a recent news release for Star Trek Online it is mentioned that Data's body had received "upgrades at the Soong Foundation" prior to being reinstated into Starfleet and promoted to the rank of Captain. |
| [21:16:55] | kormoc: | He's alive! |
| [21:18:24] | meshe: | Geordi was still around, he could fix Data even if he was a billion pieces |
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| [21:19:00] | gbee: | and he could only find half of them |
| [21:19:07] | meshe: | yeah |
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| [21:19:25] | iamlindoro: | I like cheese |
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| [21:20:14] | gbee: | wait a minute, Fraggle Rock? WTF? |
| [21:20:29] | ** kormoc eyes gbee ** | |
| [21:20:32] | iamlindoro: | What about Fraggle Rock? Fraggle Rock is AWESOME |
| [21:20:42] | kormoc: | the sniznic! |
| [21:20:42] | ** iamlindoro idly whirls a chain ** | |
| [21:20:46] | gbee: | "The Fraggles travel from beneath the Rock and finally make contact with the human world." Oh .... |
| [21:20:46] | meshe: | Fraggle Rock Rocks!!!! |
| [21:21:10] | gbee: | nowt wrong with Fraggle Rock, probably one of the best things about my childhood |
| [21:21:27] | iamlindoro: | Although I *did* learn in this channel that the show in the UK and US were utterly different |
| [21:21:34] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [21:21:35] | iamlindoro: | Something about a captain and a lighthouse in the UK |
| [21:21:42] | meshe: | yup |
| [21:22:05] | gbee: | aye ... so what what was yours about? |
| [21:22:08] | meshe: | in NA, the human was an inventor, in the UK he was a lighthouse attendant |
| [21:22:18] | iamlindoro: | "In the British version, Fraggle Rock is a rocky sea island with a lighthouse, the actual location shown is St. Anthony's Lighthouse located near Falmouth in Cornwall. The wraparounds featuring the inventor "Doc" (Gerard Parkes) in North America are replaced in the UK by the character called "The Captain" (played by Fulton Mackay, and after Mackay's death by first John Gordon Sinclair as "PK" and later Simon O'Brien as "BJ") who lives i |
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| [21:22:43] | kormoc: | He's alive! ALIVE! |
| [21:22:45] | iamlindoro: | gbee: An old man who is an inventor, Fraggle Rock is through a hole in his workshop |
| [21:23:06] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Who also owns Sprocket the dog |
| [21:23:23] | gbee: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraggle_Rock#Int . . . -productions |
| [21:23:51] | gbee: | we had Sprocket |
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| [21:24:01] | meshe: | i actually wouldn't mind getting a copy of the UK versions to see the difference |
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| [21:24:03] | iamlindoro: | right, ergo the also :) |
| [21:25:36] | iamlindoro: | Even the DVDs are pretty rough quality |
| [21:25:58] | iamlindoro: | Which is a shame-- seeing them as an adult, they'll never have that colorful, larger than life magic as when I was a kid :) |
| [21:26:06] | gbee: | I've not seen Fraggle rock in 20 years, so I've really no idea what I'd think if I saw it again today |
| [21:26:47] | iamlindoro: | I would be shocked if they were shot on anything better than Betacam |
| [21:26:50] | gbee: | having seen repeats/clips of other shows from when I was a kid, I'd rather not spoil the memory |
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| [21:28:41] | meshe: | i still get lost in the show :) |
| [21:28:46] | gbee: | definately not sure I'd want to see a film where they aren't under a lighthouse and they emerge somewhere in the US to mean real people |
| [21:29:07] | gbee: | s/mean/meet/ |
| [21:29:30] | gbee: | wonder if that was Freudian |
| [21:29:59] | kormoc: | Only you can know! |
| [21:30:22] | iamlindoro: | Sweet zombie Jesus, The actor playing Doc is still alive |
| [21:30:42] | meshe: | wow, he was old back then |
| [21:30:47] | kormoc: | That's better then a mole playing tennis! |
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| [21:38:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Ooh, those Quesadillas look yummy... ;-) |
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| [21:50:54] | dan__t: | Alright. Damnit. I want to get in to my new apartment, and start buying toys for MythTV. |
| [21:51:27] | dan__t: | I think I'm going to start out with a few of those Hiper HMC-2K53A-A3 machines as frontends. |
| [21:52:02] | iamlindoro: | I hope you like conducting all your conversations in shout form |
| [21:53:00] | dan__t: | WHY WOULD I DO THAT? |
| [21:53:15] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure once the hearing loss kicks in they'll be whisper-quiet, though |
| [21:53:47] | dan__t: | Call me deaf, but I don't get it. |
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| [22:00:02] | laga: | punny |
| [22:00:26] | meshe: | hehe: http://toughpigs.com/2009/03/fraggle-rock-mov . . . -review.html |
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| [22:07:24] | skimj: | Is there a way to configure mythweb to filter/omit listings which are marked as previously recorded, never record, etc? |
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| [22:18:58] | kormoc: | skimj, in the seach, there is that option for -trunk, not for -fixes |
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| [22:22:54] | iamlindoro: | Heh, "random" use of "quotes" on the mailing list is "funny" |
| [22:23:05] | iamlindoro: | and now I'm quoting: |
| [22:23:10] | iamlindoro: | I 'think' myth doesn't do anything with it, as it does nothing to DVBS streams. They are named mpg, but 'some' applications insist on .ts or .m2ts |
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| [22:24:15] | laga: | you forgot to add quotation marks |
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| [22:28:12] | skimj: | kormoc: are -trunk and -fixes are referring to svn branches? |
| [22:29:06] | kormoc: | yes |
| [22:29:32] | skimj: | perfect, I'll try it out. |
| [22:29:53] | iamlindoro: | DANGER WILL ROBINSON |
| [22:30:01] | iamlindoro: | *Not* a good reason to go to trunk |
| [22:30:51] | kormoc: | Aye, it's gonna be a major bumpy ride, but if you look at the code, would be easy to back-port |
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| [22:34:13] | skimj: | well, I'll look at it and see if I can patch only the part that I want... |
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| [22:38:08] | cshadowrun: | hi, trying to get my TV to work on my ubuntu box, what ever i try i always get a distorted picture as if i've set the resolution too high |
| [22:38:39] | kormoc: | So... set the resolution lower? |
| [22:38:50] | cshadowrun: | I've gone all the way down to 640x480 |
| [22:38:53] | cshadowrun: | and i tried all the PAL modelines |
| [22:40:15] | cshadowrun: | It's just some old Sony TV, nothing special about it |
| [22:40:24] | cshadowrun: | and my pc has an ATI card in it |
| [22:40:38] | cshadowrun: | intrestingly if i break my xorg.conf ubuntu starts in it's safe graphics mode |
| [22:40:44] | cshadowrun: | at 800x600, too, and it works |
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| [22:40:55] | kormoc: | so then it's the ati driver? |
| [22:41:04] | cshadowrun: | i guess, i'm using the open one |
| [22:41:06] | ** kormoc isn't personally an ati fan ** | |
| [22:41:11] | cshadowrun: | i could install fglrx and see if that works |
| [22:41:41] | kormoc: | you might want to talk to #ubuntu-mythtv about their safe gfx mode |
| [22:42:13] | cshadowrun: | i think it uses the VESA driver |
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| [22:49:54] | cshadowrun: | ah, open driver is broken and binary driver doesn't support the new version of Xorg in jaunty |
| [22:49:56] | cshadowrun: | lovely :P |
| [22:50:00] | cshadowrun: | VESA it is, lol |
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| [22:53:26] | clever: | ive played high res video with the vesa driver before! |
| [22:53:37] | cshadowrun: | haha |
| [22:53:41] | cshadowrun: | does it work well? |
| [22:54:00] | clever: | its got poor performance but its better then text mode when your missing the nv drivers |
| [22:54:12] | cshadowrun: | should i just buy an nvidia card? |
| [22:54:26] | clever: | i would if i could afford to |
| [22:54:42] | cshadowrun: | can pick up an old nvidia card off ebay to do the job quite cheap i would assume |
| [22:54:48] | cshadowrun: | probably £20 or so |
| [22:55:10] | kormoc: | you can get new ones for 20 or so |
| [22:55:54] | cshadowrun: | yea, already found one on google shopping |
| [22:55:58] | iamlindoro: | Can we get "attention newbies: disregard any and all things said by clever" added to the topic? |
| [22:56:06] | cshadowrun: | a geforce 7200 :) |
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| [22:56:09] | cshadowrun: | haha |
| [22:56:12] | clever: | iamlindoro: so he shouldnt get an nvidia? :P |
| [22:56:29] | cshadowrun: | this box is only for video playback on my old PAL TV |
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| [22:56:35] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, perhaps, perhaps! |
| [22:56:37] | cshadowrun: | it doesn't have any other purpose, at all :P |
| [22:57:15] | cshadowrun: | how would i get it to switch to vesa? i'm not very good with xorg.conf :( |
| [22:57:34] | cshadowrun: | i'll try out vesa since i'm here :P |
| [22:57:44] | clever: | down in the device section where it probly said driver "nv" or something |
| [22:58:46] | cshadowrun: | device section just has identifier in it |
| [22:58:52] | cshadowrun: | and it's an ati card :P |
| [22:59:22] | clever: | then try adding driver "vesa" |
| [22:59:38] | clever: | sounds like its defaulting to the correct driver |
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| [23:01:57] | cshadowrun: | http://pastebin.com/m5b9ab56f |
| [23:02:03] | cshadowrun: | heres my xorg.conf, still not working |
| [23:02:57] | cshadowrun: | i think i monumentally broke it :P |
| [23:03:52] | deminished: | :/ |
| [23:03:58] | deminished: | reinstall |
| [23:04:09] | jams: | iamlindoro- might even add a few names to that list |
| [23:04:16] | iamlindoro: | jams, heh |
| [23:04:38] | iamlindoro: | OK, I will official pistolwhip anyone who says theming has no documentation now |
| [23:04:43] | iamlindoro: | officially |
| [23:05:03] | cshadowrun: | theming has no documentation :D |
| [23:05:07] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theming_MythNews |
| [23:05:20] | ** iamlindoro pistolwhips cshadowrun within an inch of his life ** | |
| [23:05:31] | cshadowrun: | lol |
| [23:05:34] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development |
| [23:08:44] | iamlindoro: | There are extra credit exercises and everything |
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| [23:15:05] | cshadowrun: | that ain't half bad, my dad can get me an 8400GS 256MB from work tommorow for £25.78 |
| [23:15:07] | cshadowrun: | i think i shall have myself one of those :P |
| [23:16:37] | wagnerrp: | cshadowrun: i just picked up a G98 fanless 512MB 8400GB off newegg for $24.99 |
| [23:16:48] | cshadowrun: | yea, newegg are cheap |
| [23:16:52] | cshadowrun: | they don't deliver to me though |
| [23:16:57] | cshadowrun: | sucks to be english. |
| [23:17:04] | cshadowrun is now known as CShadowRun | |
| [23:17:10] | wagnerrp: | ah, yeah... no international shipping |
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| [23:17:32] | wagnerrp: | so you actually mean 25.78 pounds? so like $35-$40? |
| [23:17:57] | CShadowRun: | yea |
| [23:18:35] | CShadowRun: | cheapest i could find on google shopping was £18.39 GeForce 7200 |
| [23:18:44] | CShadowRun: | and when you stick postage on that it's probably gonna be pretty close to £25 anyway |
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| [23:21:44] | hednod: | Time Stretch Default: |
| [23:21:49] | hednod: | what is the time stretch? |
| [23:22:07] | iamlindoro: | play sloooooowwww or fastfastfast |
| [23:22:25] | iamlindoro: | sort of "exactly what it says it is" |
| [23:25:41] | xris: | hahahah.. go to espn.com, click in the page for focus, then type (keys, not words): up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, a, b, enter... then enter, enter, enter, ...... |
| [23:29:43] | CShadowRun: | xris where is the focus button, lol |
| [23:29:45] | CShadowRun: | i can't see it anywhere |
| [23:31:21] | iamlindoro: | <facepalm> |
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| [23:33:11] | achandra: | Hi guys..I wanted to ask this but have a ginger conversation around it.(if not already discussed)...With the Oracle/Sun deal, how are mysql components to be affected or not with future releases? |
| [23:33:44] | achandra: | also..is there some sort of push to moving to postgresql? |
| [23:33:46] | iamlindoro: | You can't un-GPL something, so not at all |
| [23:33:55] | iamlindoro: | And no |
| [23:34:33] | achandra: | there is alot of talk around mysql being forked. wont that inherently affect myth-tv..and if not why not? |
| [23:34:50] | CShadowRun: | whats going on with mysql? |
| [23:34:50] | gbee: | xris: that a late April fools where I'd be trying for 20 minutes to make something happen, but of course nothing does? |
| [23:35:09] | iamlindoro: | achandra, Why would it? |
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| [23:35:43] | iamlindoro: | achandra, If it got forked, and one was the community supported version carried by all distros, and the other was not, even under a different name, it's still the same app |
| [23:35:46] | achandra: | forking the mysql away from upstream...etc. |
| [23:35:57] | iamlindoro: | Wouldn't matter, the community will still settle on one |
| [23:36:17] | iamlindoro: | And you can call it boobiesboobies if you want, it'll still be MySQL |
| [23:37:32] | gbee: | achandra: not really going to make any difference to mythtv long term, we'll be moving away from an external database anyway |
| [23:37:38] | achandra: | and the version that oracle now owns if forked...will be something quite different i suppose or not...but it has minimal impact for mythtv |
| [23:37:56] | achandra: | i see |
| [23:38:22] | achandra: | thought i'd ask...but wanted to be respectful of peoples work in here. Thanks for fielding my question. |
| [23:39:10] | achandra: | gbee, flat files? or? |
| [23:40:11] | iamlindoro: | no, embedded MySQL |
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| [23:43:30] | achandra: | oh.. i see okay. |
| [23:44:13] | jpabq: | I have seen this topic go by, but never paid attention because I did not want to do it myself, but now I do..... How do I setup a SBE for the sole purpose of running jobs? No capture cards will be defined. |
| [23:44:28] | achandra: | iamlindoro, thanks for response...attempting to get a picture of the landscape before purchasing the hd-pvr |
| [23:44:44] | iamlindoro: | achandra, Myth as a whole isn't going anywhere, the HD-PVR purchase is safe :) |
| [23:45:02] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Run mythjobqueue instead of the backend |
| [23:45:16] | achandra: | iamlindoro, no worries..I'm amongst a few that really believes in the "open" model. |
| [23:45:39] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, I mean, you *can* set up a whole backend if you want, but just for jobs you'll save yourself a boatload of effort just by running the jobqueue |
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| [23:46:14] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: ah! Anything special I need to do about storagegroups? Do I need to run mythtv-setup to tell it where to find the files? |
| [23:46:51] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Not that I am aware, if it's just commflag/etc. I believe all the streaming is handled internally, just like between any two myth peers |
| [23:47:06] | jpabq: | Cool. Thanks. |
| [23:47:20] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [23:48:01] | iamlindoro: | Mythjobqueue wiki apge needs some love |
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| [23:48:13] | iamlindoro: | But I've done my wiki good deeds for the day :) |
| [23:49:06] | iamlindoro: | anyway, think it's just as simple as "mythjobqueue -d" (-d exists only in trunk) by a user with a valid config.xml |
| [23:49:17] | Shadow__X: | any psu brand recommendations |
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| [23:50:32] | iamlindoro: | Believe sphery wrote a pretty complete post to the users list last month about that |
| [23:50:57] | iamlindoro: | more or less strongly suggesting you get a 80+ or 85+ efficiency PSU, and mentioning some models |
| [23:50:58] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, is that referring to me |
| [23:51:09] | iamlindoro: | No, I'm talking to the voices I hear sometimes |
| [23:51:19] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, as if that doesnt happen |
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| [23:52:30] | Shadow__X: | i def want a 80+ efficiency psu also i would prefer modular just having issues with brands before i stayed with antec and ocz i tried a new brand and it blew within a week although it was not being strained |
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| [23:55:27] | Shadow__X: | the brand was abs tagan bz |
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| [23:56:57] | iamlindoro: | Let's see how Easytag behaves |
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