Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, April 24th, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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EvilBob:

I have been searching for a "modern" lirc howto, in the past (a couple years ago) I used j-rod's guide to get my PVR-150's Grey remote working, the guide is now obsolete.

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EvilBob:

I am running Fedora 10

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tank-man:

EvilBob, http://www.lirc.org/html/

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EvilBob:

tank-man: thanks, I had that link last night did not help sadly, will give it another go based on your suggestion

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tank-man:

why read the cliff notes, go straight to the source. do you remember what you were stuck at?

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Dagmar:

If you're thinking lirc is a bitch to work with, you'd be right

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EvilBob:

tank-man: Every time I get messing around with things like that I feel I have already screwed them up when I do get to a guide that is valid

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EvilBob:

tank-man: well the daemon starts and everything, I just get no feedback from irw

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Dagmar:

So check to be sure the kernel module is doing something

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tank-man:

irw will work if you have lircd.conf and lircd setup correctly

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tank-man:

so perhaps it is lircd.conf or a problem with the kernel module

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EvilBob:

tank-man: OK, well I will get back to reading, I have a bare machine that I have not screwed up here when it comes to lirc that I can verify with.

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EvilBob:

I am so excited about living in a place with cable again, has been 3 years or so since I was able to have myth boxes

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wagnerrp:

why would you need cable to run mythtv?

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: in a bad area for Analog Broadcast

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: DTV Broadcast was awesome right before i moved

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: all my tuners are the IVTV in PVR-150 and PVR-500 cards

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wagnerrp:

why would someone want to run mythtv in a VM?

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Dagmar:

Becuase they're too chicken to dedicate a machine to it

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: over 70 miles to the broadcast towers... really stunk

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Dagmar:

....oh and they think someone online will fix all the extra problems this will create so they don't have to

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wagnerrp:

its like bitching through 20 replies about how to set up Xorg on a headless machine

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EvilBob:

maybe they like to do a lot of random crap changing the hardware OS, having myth in a "stable" VM guest might be attractive

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wagnerrp:

virtualization performance is terrible

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: I don't doubt that

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wagnerrp:

unless youre running one of the modern processors, and a host software that supports direct operation, in which case virtualization performance is just poor

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wagnerrp:

and setting up a SBE to manage your HDHomerun is just baffling

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wagnerrp:

whether its in a VM or not

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Dagmar:

EvilBob: There's nothing "stable" about a VM that an actual machine wouldn't be more

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Dagmar:

People don't use VM's to make them "stable", they use VM's because they can't keep from screwing up their machines

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EvilBob:

by stable I meant "unchanging"

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Dagmar:

So a VM doesn't have anything to do with that

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Dagmar:

Either you have the self control to not tell Gentoo to recompile everything every few days or you don't.

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wagnerrp:

i use sandboxes for that purpose

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wagnerrp:

but the only performance hit there is additional memory usage

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Dagmar:

Yeah, and you have a clue

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Dagmar:

If someone's worried about screwing up their VM they're probably screwing aroudn with the host OS as well

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Ozzyprv:

hi

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ServerSage_:

What is the best way to "extract" the mpegs from the mythtv directory? For example, I want to find all episodes of "Dirty Jobs" that I have recorded, and copy those mpegs to my laptop. What is the best way?

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wagnerrp:

use mythrename.pl to link the recordings to a readable format in another directory

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wagnerrp:

and then just copy all the 'Dirty Jobs' links over to the new directory

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wagnerrp:

gnu 'cp' should default to following the links, rather than just copying them

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ServerSage_:

Sweet, thanks wagnerrp. I was having a hard time tracking this down on the wiki. Couldn't think of WHAT to search for.

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wagnerrp:

be sure to tell it to link the files

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wagnerrp:

renaming recordings is not recommended

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ServerSage_:

Indeed, I only want copies. And to leave the originals as is intact unchanged. Good advice, thanks.

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marius:

Hello, I'm having the monitor aspect problem in mythgallery, 16:9 tv. does anyone have a quick fix?

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marius:

anybody there?

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marius:

anybody there?

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superdump:

hmm, interesting noise about pulseaudio on the mythtv ml

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superdump:

personally, for my own purposes, i don't mind rolling my own kernel and/or pulseaudio

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FR^2:

I'm not quite experienced – is there any other way than "half", "progressive" or "interlaced" for displaying the tv video?

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cityLights1:

hi, I need help to apply a patch that solves the frontend crash with xorg 1.6

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cityLights1:

a guy published a patch that mainly works on a file called glxscreens.c

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cityLights1:

to fix a qt3 show() issue.

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cityLights1:

I can't locate this file on my system

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cityLights1:

any idea where it comes from?

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FR^2:

I don't have 1.6 yet, just 1.5.3

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cityLights1:

FR^2>: I also used 1.5.3 which is marked stable in gentoo, how ever the patch was released for 1.6

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cityLights1:

can you find a file like that on your system?

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FR^2:

looking

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FR^2:

No, but I doubt that there are any .c files ;)

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cityLights1:

right

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cityLights1:

let me find the original bug post a put it here

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cityLights1:

here is the detail of where mythfront crashs:

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cityLights1:

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1118813.html

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cityLights1:

should I move this question to #mythtv?

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FR^2:

cityLights1: I'm not an expert, neither concerning X11 nor concerning mythtv

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cityLights1:

maybe gbee can help me here

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FR^2:

I assume glxgears, glxinfo etc. work correctly?

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cityLights1:

I am missing glxinfo here...

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cityLights1:

installing it now..

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ceeme:

I'm configuring a new box, with a DVICO. Setup with PAL, capture card detected. When scanning for channels, signal strength is 100%, signal/noise is 0% and no channels are found. Obviously, I'm missing something, but I'm at a loss.

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bungled:

anyone here have experience with LCD/VFD displays?

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bungled:

specifically with keypads attached to them?

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: Yes to 1st. question, no to 2nd... :-(

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: ... I did have a keypad on a parallel-attached MP3 player pc YEARS ago... but not with Myth... ;-) And I currently use LCDs with MythTV an am working on updating the support within Myth for them.

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bungled:

aah. I've managed to get my MatrixOrbital VFD working, at least as far as displaying info goes

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bungled:

but now i'm trying to figure out how to get the keypad attached to it to send key presses instead of just LCDproc menu commands

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bungled:

i.e. use some of the keys as play/pause, FFWD, etc

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: I hear you... Don't know how though – and I'm @ work and should be working instead of playing... ;-)

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bungled:

heh. naughty =P

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** J-e-f-f-A loves NX... no irc session from work... ;-) **

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bungled:

would mythtv-dev be a better place to ask for help with this?

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: No – if there were an lcdproc channel, it'd be a better place...

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stuarta:

hahaha, you would have fun trying to join #mythtv-dev

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: It's an lcdproc configuration issue, not a mythtv issue.

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bungled:

hmm, I was thinking that it was more of a mythlcdserver issue since LCDd catches and registers all of my keys

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bungled:

i'm just not sure how to get mythlcdserver to turn the keypad into something that can be mapped in the keybindings

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: Then it would be a feature request if that's the case.

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bungled:

where would be the best place to post that?

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stuarta:

if you can code, you are better off starting

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bungled:

i've got some basic coding experience with C++, VB, java and the like, but I've never worked with existing software, nor programmed in the linux environment

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bungled:

i'd be happy to get my hands dirty with it, I just don't know where to look for info (beyond reading through the source)

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bungled:

stuarta--I just realized what you meant about mythtv-dev. I meant the developer's channel and didn't know it wasn't called that =)

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stuarta:

:)

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noaXess:

should backend have more ram then frontend?

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noaXess:

i build i new single backend.. think about 2gb ram and 3 dvb-c cards..

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: Do you compile from source?

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noaXess:

and enough hd power?

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stuarta:

noaXess: that's enough ram for a dev box

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J-e-f-f-A:

noaXess: There's no right answer to that question... I have 4GB on my backend, but it's overkill... 2gb should be fine. I

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bungled:

jeff: not currently. I use the repository version from my distro (Ubuntu 8.04)

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: Well, you could at least check out the 0.21-fixes mythlcdserver, then modify & compile it and use it... then submit a patch. ;-)

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bungled:

but I have the source code handy and have looked through most of the things that look related to what i'm trying to do

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bungled:

jeffa: I was having problems with my VFD in Ubu. 8.10 so I grabbed the source to see if I could find out why it wasn't cooperating. Downgrading to 8.04 solved the problem

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: Well, if you figure out what needs to be done, let me know – I can probably put it together and test it for you... That is, if I can find my 3x4 keypad here somewhere... ;-)

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noaXess:

stuarta: J-e-f-f-A: thanks.. i had talked about tha earlier here.. but doesn't know it anymore ;).. brain is faling down

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bungled:

jeffa: my "keypad" is actually a string of pushbuttons wired into a matrix array and mounted on a plastic picture frame

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J-e-f-f-A:

I am working on LCD enhancements for MythTV, so I'm getting familiar with the LCD code...

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bungled:

jeffa: what sort of enhancements?

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: Yeah, but no matter what the configuration is, if Lcdproc can interpret the keypresses, it's just a matter of getting them 'sent' to mythtv...

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: Better display formats – here's a start... http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: I haven't had much time to work in stuff the last month or so, but that's just a 'teaser' of a couple of changes I've implemented on my current backend – but haven't 'themed' yet for 'general' use...

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bungled:

jeffa: looks pretty cool. mine's only a 2x20 vfd, so it's pretty limited

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: At the moment, yes. ;-) But if I get off my 'booty' and working on this project, then you'd be able to make it 'come alive'... ;-)

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bungled:

jeffa: aah, so they're only decorative screens at the moment?

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: No, the screens on my page are real, but on my own patched version of mythlcdserver currently. My plan is to implement 'themes' for the lcds – leaving the current screen set as the default, and have other options (like the pictured one) selectable from a list...

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: And eventually be able to have the user define their own layouts in a configuration file or via an 'onscreen' editor... but that's alot more work. ;-) (at least the 2nd part is...)

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bungled:

jeffa: yeah, I hear that.

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bungled:

jeffa: so do you have any suggestions for a starting point on info for keypresses?

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bungled:

jeffa: or rather, keypress emulation?

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: Not off the top of my head — unless you can pass them as if they came from lirc or as keypresses... But I'd check the lcdproc site first to see if they can be configured in lcdproc...

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: IE: See if lcdproc can be configured to send them as keypresses to Linux.

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Befriend28:

What is it with MythTV and sound... My sound just works great with TVTime, and every time I try to use MythTV I just give a BANG in the speakers and there is no sound. If I run it as root from a terminal, I can see a NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! What is that about?

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bungled:

jeffa: i've looked into the lcdproc side of things a bit. Adding the keys to my lcdd.conf file only affects whether they are used for the LCDd internal menu or not.

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bungled:

jeffa: i've looked over the docs on lcdproc and can only find direct references of mapping keys to menu functions

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J-e-f-f-A:

bungled: Ok... Well, implementing them into mythlcdserver shouldn't be too bad – the lcdproc key settings could be stored in the myth database.

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Befriend28:

Wher in mythTV do I configure NTSC or PAL options ?

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bungled:

jeffa: i'm familiar with mythconverg. =) I had to peel it apart to find the LCDHost/LCDPort keys--which are strangely not present in mythbuntu 8.10 version

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marius:

anybody know whether the mythgallery aspect bug has been fixed recently?

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bungled:

jeffa: there is a reference to clients using keys that are not reserved (in the development section) and looking at the syslog output from LCDd shows that mythlcdserver is in fact picking up the unused keys

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** iamlindoro hates when people wait less than 60 seconds for their answer, which was to a question about "the bug" that nobody has ever heard of **

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Befriend28:

Where in mythTV do I configure NTSC or PAL options ?

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GreyFoxx:

For your recordings? In mythtv-setup under where you define the card

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bungled:

befriend: for output I would think that it is set up with your video card

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GreyFoxx:

What are you trying to set ?

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GreyFoxx:

If you mean output, myth has nothng to do with that. You need to check your X config/drivers

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** stuarta twiddles thumbs **

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Befriend28:

bungled but when I run TVTime I can configure it, independent of anything else

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bungled:

<- doesn't use TVTime

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bungled:

/shrug

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iamlindoro:

Myth isn't TVTime any more than a Ferrari is a golf cart

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GreyFoxx:

Befriend28: That is referring to recording options , not video output

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GreyFoxx:

What specifically are you trying to configure

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Befriend28:

Take it easy i didn't mead to be negative

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bungled:

lindoro: you mean you don't take your ferrari on the links?

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GreyFoxx:

trust me, noone here is getting upset

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GreyFoxx:

not every line requires a ':)'

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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iamlindoro:

bungled, They threw me out of the club after that one time

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stuarta:

at bandcamp?

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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bungled:

heh, those groundskeepers can be such crybabies

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Befriend28:

GreyFoxx I just find it strange that anything seem to be working with my TV card with any other software, I just really want to use MythTV

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stuarta:

bill murray is my favourite grounds keeper

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Befriend28:

What would cause a buffer overflow with the sound card?

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bungled:

befriend: it would be in the backend configure then, under capture devices

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GreyFoxx:

"<GreyFoxx> What specifically are you trying to configure"

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iamlindoro:

stuarta, Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I kill all the golfers on this course, they'll lock me up and throw away the key!

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bungled:

hey, it's not my fault I can't understand your accent

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stuarta:

gophers, not golfers....

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Befriend28:

bungled thanks I will take a look

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Befriend28:

bungled where is the configuration files for Myth backend located ?

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iamlindoro:

We can do that; we don't even have to have a reason. All right, let's do the same thing, but with gophers -!

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GreyFoxx:

Befriend28: myth stores everying in a MySQL database

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GreyFoxx:

only thing in a file is how to get to the database

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Befriend28:

GreyFoxx Okay how do I then check to see if MythTV is using PAL or NSTC... Do I have wo brows the database?

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stuarta:

input or output?

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Befriend28:

How do I configure the backend ?

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bungled:

befriend: depends on what OS you're using

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Befriend28:

Fedora

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bradd_:

does mythtranscode not yet support hdpvr/h.264 files?

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Befriend28:

bungled Fedora

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iamlindoro:

bradd_, AFAIK it supports them, but if you mean lossless mode, then no, not yet

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bungled:

i'm on ubuntu, but i'd imagine there is a menu item in your system/admin menu for 'mythtv backend setup'

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bungled:

if not, just open a terminal and run mythtv-setup

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Befriend28:

bungled I only have MythTV setup and MythTV frontend

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bradd_:

ahh yea im doing lossless

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bungled:

befriend: setup should be the one you want

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Befriend28:

bungled But where in the MythTV setup should I look for the audio problem?

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bungled:

befriend: oh, I thought we were still on NTSC/PAL

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bradd_:

got "Unknown video codec: H.264" error

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Befriend28:

bungled also that sorry

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Befriend28:

bungled where do I control the NTSC/PAL under MythTV setup?

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bungled:

befriend: there are some sound config options in the frontend, but I'm not sure what would cause that specific problem

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iamlindoro:

bradd_, Lossless is mpeg-2 only ATM

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Befriend28:

bungled Then where in the MythTV setup should I be looking for NTSC/PAL options?

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bungled:

befriend: in the mythtv-setup, under General, second page'

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bradd_:

okay thanks

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Befriend28:

bungled Oh I found it, it says PAL-DK as it should do

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Befriend28:

bungled Now I can rule that out as the problem causing the buffer overflow

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iamlindoro:

np

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Befriend28:

bungled How do I control the screen format, I would like to rune 16:10 ?

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bradd_:

thats odd. recording via the hdpvr from some of the HD movie channels i'll get "this channel is not available" for a couple of minutes...they i get the audio but no video.

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Befriend28:

I just keep getting this errors here: "NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!" and this follows "dropping back audio_buffer_unused" where shall I start to look for the problem?

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bradd_:

and hooking the stb directly to the tv those channels work fine

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iamlindoro:

bradd_, The HD-PVR can't deal with when the broadcaster removes the video stream in the middle of a recording, which is what they are doing for a split second between the "not available" card and the video starting... It will only work if you have a consistent video and audio stream

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bradd_:

oh cool so its a "known issue". is that something that can be fixed eventually? or is it a hw issue?

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iamlindoro:

HW issue

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bradd_:

oh well

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Befriend28:

I just keep getting this errors here: "NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!" and this follows "dropping back audio_buffer_unused" where shall I start to look for the problem?

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iamlindoro:

Befriend28, repeating yourself every 4–5 minutes will only make us ignore you

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Befriend28:

iamlindoro hey I have to do something.. sorry if you didn't like it... Do you really check the scroll back now an then?

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bungled:

befriend: in the frontend, under setup-> general

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stuarta:

Befriend28: yes we all do

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Befriend28:

stuarta Okay sorry I will stop doing it then

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stuarta:

thank you

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Befriend28:

bungled I have tried every setting in there, to the last couples of weeks

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Befriend28:

bungled with all I have tried I just get noise and then the buffer overflow starts rolling

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bungled:

befriend: sounds like it may be a driver issue

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Befriend28:

bungled But I have it just working fine with any other TV software

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bungled:

befriend: i'm really not sure what else to check then

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Befriend28:

bungled there have to be some solution to this issue. first what buffer is it, MythTV overflows with sound, is it my sound card or is it software buffer

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gbee:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/04/24/acer_ . . . rage_switch/

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iamlindoro:

Not sure which I'd prefer

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iamlindoro:

For a frontend only 8 GB is plenty, and quiet

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gbee:

quiet and cool

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

xris: Did you see my message the other day re: screenshots?

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bungled:

lindoro: that LCDd.conf you posted looks like an older version

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bungled:

lindoro: MtxOrb keypresses are set using "KEY_" and the key name, and the menu keys are mapped with up, down, left, right, enter and escape

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bungled:

lindoro: which function properly on the display itself

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iamlindoro:

Doesn't mater, theory is still the same

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EvilBob:

Beirdo: I forgot you logged the channel, it can be searched I assume?

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iamlindoro:

I would seek help on their mailing list (and by searching their archives)

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iamlindoro:

http://lists.omnipotent.net/mailman/listinfo/lcdproc

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iamlindoro:

Lots of action on that list

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wagnerrp:

it can be searched as much as any site that is index by google

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bungled:

will do. just wanted to give you feedback on that link

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bungled:

thanks again =)

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iamlindoro:

http://search.gmane.org/?query=matrix+orbital . . . .lcdproc---A

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wagnerrp:

but beirdo's logs are of limited use unless you know the time frame youre looking for, or an exact phrase

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Dassu:

How do I disable the "This show will not be recorded because it will be recorded on another channel"?

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Dassu:

as funny as it sounds the show is not shown on any other channel and eventhough I tell mythtv to record it anyway I still get same message

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gbee:

well something must be wrong with the configuration, i.e. you've got the same channel appearing twice in the list

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gbee:

it's not something you can disable, something is wrong with your setup

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iamlindoro:

Ah, my weekly users list viagra e-mail has arived

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_abbenormal:

lol

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jams:

ah ha! so you admit to being the spammer

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iamlindoro:

Don't be crazy, I admit to being the reason spamming the list is so lucrative

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iamlindoro:

I mean... erm..

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meshe:

haha, thought so ;)

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meshe:

anyway... how about them $sports_team

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meshe:

ignore my jokes today, it seems like my sarcasm is enabled but wit is on the fritz

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iamlindoro:

Naw, the jokes are fine :)

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Dagmar:

It's time for the RIAA to go away forever.

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meshe:

they up to some new level of evil?

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Dagmar:

Probably

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Dagmar:

I got a registered letter notification in my mailbox

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Dagmar:

For a "Smith"

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Dagmar:

I don't pirate music.

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meshe:

open wifi?

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Dagmar:

HAHAHA

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Dagmar:

I have a Tubgirl directive in Squid for anyone dim enough to crack my WEP

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Dagmar:

Plus, I'd notice it in the usage graphcs

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meshe:

lol

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Dagmar:

I'm just going to ignore it and assume whoever it is has the right address

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meshe:

how do they get addresses? does your ISP hand it over?

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Dagmar:

No idea.

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Dagmar:

I was somewhat under the impression that by not pirating music, I wouldn't have to put up with any of that kind of crap.

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meshe:

hehe, yeah, they need to fund their dying business model, and if that includes fining people that haven't committed a crime, so-be-it

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Dagmar:

What they don't realize is their innocent civilian has been replaced by a whackjob with a lot of free time.

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wagnerrp:

i enjoy the occasion they bring suit against someone who doesnt have a computer

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meshe:

the dead guy was pretty amusing too

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cityLights1:

ok, I will ask here: When I run glxgears, I see the cpu is used in 75%

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wagnerrp:

probably because youre using MESA

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cityLights1:

does this affect mythfrontend preformance

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cityLights1:

?

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wagnerrp:

maybe not... MESA should be using the full processor

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wagnerrp:

is it smooth or jerky? what framerate are you getting?

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cityLights1:

to get this program I installd the package x11-apps/mesa-progs

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cityLights1:

722 frames in 5.0 seconds = 144.339 FPS

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats MESA

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wagnerrp:

any hardware opengl implementation should do much better than that

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cityLights1:

looks fine

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wagnerrp:

anyway, mythtv makes optional use of opengl

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cityLights1:

does ati opensource driver do that? impliment opengl?

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wagnerrp:

im going to say no, but i dont know for certain

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cityLights1:

so unless I mark it at the setup – I am NOT using glx -right?

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wagnerrp:

menus and OSDs can optionally use opengl

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wagnerrp:

but they default to QT

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gbee:

opengl would be much faster if available

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gbee:

cityLights1: for hardware accelerated 2D with the ati open source driver you probably need the very latest version

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gbee:

at least that's the case with RadeonHD

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cityLights1:

well I am using SD

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cityLights1:

gbee: does mythfrontend uses glx to draw the tv stream?

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wagnerrp:

standard definition? or schedules direct?

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wagnerrp:

cityLights1: if you tell it to, it can

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cityLights1:

I thought it doesnt involve opengl...

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cityLights1:

sd – standard definition

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wagnerrp:

SD anything is pretty trivial on anything like modern hardware

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wagnerrp:

even if you dont have hardware accelerated playback

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cityLights1:

ok, So I am now at the point that I understand I can't use 0.21fixes with my ATI card, for it segfault on xorg1.5.3

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wagnerrp:

mythtv revision makes no difference

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wagnerrp:

you have to get your video drivers working

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cityLights1:

danielk22: reported the issue reported here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/341898

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cityLights1:

is missing in 0.21fixes

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cityLights1:

wagnerrp: well seems myth uses some QT call that doesnt work

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cityLights1:

and so it was changed in current trunk

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wagnerrp:

that has to do with ubuntu's binary builds, i doubt it has anything to do with mythtv itself

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cityLights1:

I had issues with xorg 1.3 and reported it here a month ago

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Niklas_E:

I get Internal server error when I try to download a tv program from my computer in mythweb, anyone know what to check?

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cityLights1:

I then updated to xorg 1.5.3 and then couldnt load the frontend at all

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wagnerrp:

again, with ubuntu binary releases

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cityLights1:

now I got xorg 1.6 – and it still crashs

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cityLights1:

I am not using uduntu

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wagnerrp:

if youre using a binary release, bugs must be filtered through whoever released the binary

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wagnerrp:

oh

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cityLights1:

everything on my system is compiled from source

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cityLights1:

I am a gentoo user

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henkie_:

hi, where can i set the default time a recording must start early? i cannot find it anymore

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wagnerrp:

Niklas_E: it doesnt say anything besides 'Internal Server error'?

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wagnerrp:

check the apache error logs

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Niklas_E:

I get this in mythlog 2009-04–24 20:09:43.490 Preview Error: Run() file not local: '/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/Johanna/11_20080816175800.nuv'

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wagnerrp:

well theres your problem, it doesnt know where to find the file

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wagnerrp:

do you have the recordings on the machine running the webserver?

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Niklas_E:

yes

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wagnerrp:

and apache is set up to allow access to that directory?

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gbee:

that above error has nothing to do with being unable to download recordings through mythweb

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Niklas_E:

yep

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wagnerrp:

henkie_: you can access that through mythweb, but those are still available in the recording options menu

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gbee:

Niklas_E: does the apache user have access to that directory? Does chmod -R o+r /path/to/directory help?

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henkie_:

wagnerrp, i mean the default settings

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wagnerrp:

default for all recordings?

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Niklas_E:

have to put it in another dir and check

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gbee:

henkie_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . nd#General_3

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gbee:

TV Settings > General

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wagnerrp:

its the fourth page, 'General (Advanced)'

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wagnerrp:

its in seconds, not minutes like the individual settings

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gbee:

heh, wiki has it as page one

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henkie_:

tnx both, i've to the same settings page like 5 times

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henkie_:

read right over it

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Niklas_E:

nope, doesn't work :(

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Niklas_E:

is theer anyway to set the datadirectory?

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Befriend28:

Hi all me again I have reinstalled to MythDora and set anything up nice an clean, I even scanned for channel and found all 44, but every time I hit Watch TV from the frontend noting happens. I don't even get errors in any of the logfiles... what i wrong, and how do I proceed?

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Niklas_E:

can I point somewhre to the directory that I save the recordings so mythweb finds them?

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Befriend28:

Niklas_E I don't think so... MythTV depends on it's stupid database for everything you some how have to scan the storage areas first

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wagnerrp:

Niklas_E: mythweb just wants the folders you use for storage available on the local machine in the same file path as they are listed in the storage group

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Befriend28:

Niklas_E can I ask how did you install your media center with MythTV?

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wagnerrp:

Befriend28: are you running the backend?

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wagnerrp:

the only reason the backend wouldnt spit out some error explaining why the recording failed is if it werent running

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Befriend28:

wagnerrp Yes the backend runs just fine, if I ask with /etc/init.d/mythbackend status it respond running

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wagnerrp:

and you checked the logs in /var/log/mythtv/ ?

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Niklas_E:

in /mythtv/store

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wagnerrp:

Niklas_E: if the backend records to /mythtv/store, mythweb needs to be able to see the recordings in /mythtv/store

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wagnerrp:

you have to set up your httpd.conf so it can access them, and the user apache runs as must have read access to the files

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Niklas_E:

I see the recordings, in mythfrontend, but can't get then in mythweb

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wagnerrp:

the frontend can stream the recordings over mythproto so long as a backend is running

[19:11:05]

wagnerrp:

mythweb cannot do that, it needs file access

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Befriend28:

wagnerrp Please see this link for complete output http://pastebin.com/d41aebf2a

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meshe:

Befriend28: Could not get inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?

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wagnerrp:

looks like a pretty obvious error there

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Dagmar:

So, a failure to even glance at the documentation then

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wagnerrp:

although you should not have been able to scan for channels if you didnt bind the video source

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meshe:

Befriend28: you need to go through mythtv-setup and configure a video source and tie it to your capture card

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Befriend28:

meshe How do I check that?

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wagnerrp:

did you scan for channels in mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

or did you use some external scanner?

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Befriend28:

wagnerrp I did scan and found all 44 channels

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wagnerrp:

you ran 'scan'? like the dvb-tools scanner?

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wagnerrp:

how would that help mythtv when as you said, mythtv uses the database for everything

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Befriend28:

wagnerrp it is all analog

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meshe:

Befriend28: http://mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detailed_c . . . tion_Backend

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tgm4883:

why is there 2 different mythbackend.log files in that link?

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wagnerrp:

if you scanned within mythtv, you had to have bound the video source to the tuner card

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wagnerrp:

in which case that error does not make sense

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meshe:

yeah, the scan button is greyed out until you choose a source

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Befriend28:

How do I map the channels numbers with the source data?

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meshe:

Befriend28: are you using Schedules Direct for your listings?

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meshe:

Befriend28: what analog card are you using?

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Befriend28:

Asus 7135 Hybrid

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Befriend28:

meshe Asus 7135 Hybrid

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meshe:

and the other question?

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Befriend28:

meshe I don't know what you mean with that question sorry. Please explain

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Niklas_E:

how do you fix this? [Fri Apr 24 21:20:26 2009] [error] (13)Permission denied: exec of '/var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/mythweb.pl' failed

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Dagmar:

Niklas_E: You read the docs for mythweb usually

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Befriend28:

How do I make dv_grabber download channel info correct right now it hangs with "No data for channel 218 0 days from now, skipping at /usr/bin/tv_grab_dk_dr line 423."

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Befriend28:

Now it moves on asking me about some Icons

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meshe:

i'm not sure about other grabbers, I only use the north american provider Schedules Direct

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iamlindoro:

Damn inkscapes crap PNG output

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J-e-f-f-A:

Myth has a "stupid database" <-- Umm... me think that is applicable to that user instead... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

User intelligence is inversely proportionate to willingness to blame the software

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jams:

depends on the software

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wagnerrp:

so whats that about inkscape?

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i_is_cat:

i am having issues with the imdb.pl/tmdb.pl thing my error msg is here: http://pastebin.com/m463c7bdb

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wagnerrp:

i_is_cat: looks like you need to fill out a couple perl dependencies

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iamlindoro:

It's great at outputting a single element as PNG, but when it has to composite multiple together (say, to output a screenshot) it turns to moosh

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i_is_cat:

wagnerrp, cool ty i will see what i can do then

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** J-e-f-f-A likes SQL... ;-) Much easier/cleaner/nicer/flexible than 'flat' data files. ;-) **

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iamlindoro:

Hmm

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wagnerrp:

oof... .grub is failing

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iamlindoro:

I have a sneaking suspicion that .srt subtitles would be broken with storage groups

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iamlindoro:

Even if they were already broken for another reasons

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: That's because I killed all the little buggers with "Scott's Turf Builder" ;-)

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wagnerrp:

even worse, my framebuffer is hosed.... my laptop has gone to plaid!

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i_is_cat:

plaid? lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

DOH!

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Josh_Borke:

i saw a lap top the other day that had vertical lines emanating from the right-hand side of the screen. some even flashed and changed colors. it was spectacular

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J-e-f-f-A:

Josh_Borke: The screen was probably cracked near the edge...

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wagnerrp:

i havent had the framebuffer working on there in maybe two years, decided to give it another shot

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Josh_Borke:

J-e-f-f-A: almost undoubtedly so. i had just never seen anything quite like it and it was awesomely colorful

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bungled:

jeffa: my mom dropped her laptop last year. it looked like a picasso

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i_is_cat:

ok so i got the tmdb.pl thing working and so far most everything goes ok but there are some of my files that wont find anything when i search so i tried the number manually from imdb but it doesnt apply anything...

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iamlindoro:

i_is_cat: Most likely that means the film in question doesn't exist at TMDB yet-- best thing to do there is to go and add it

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wagnerrp:

i_is_cat: alternatively, the file DOES exist on TMDB, but it has no specified IMDB code

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i_is_cat:

hmm ok

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iamlindoro:

It will take some time for TMDB to grow to have as many or more films than IMDB, but it has many many more features and will never shut us out

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iamlindoro:

also much better images, and fanart to use in .22

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i_is_cat:

well thats cool

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wagnerrp:

i think its just terrible that the change to TMDB makes me spend all this file space on excessively high resolution images...

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

cd /MythMedia/fanart && du -h --max-depth=1

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iamlindoro:

144M

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wagnerrp:

look at that! thats a whole two minutes of video that youve lost

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

I just had a similar conversation about someone who didn't want album art in his mp3s

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Dagmar:

8Mb mp3 vs an extra 110k of JPEG data. Who cares

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dan__t:

Hello.

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dan__t:

Anyone ever seen a write-up or a guide or anything like that on the optimal hardware and software setup per MythTV?

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Dagmar:

There is no such thing

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dan__t:

I've dabbled with it in the past but I'm kind of seriously thinking about something that actually works well.

[21:02:16]

Dagmar:

...and to be specific, I mean there is no such thing as an "optimal" setup

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dan__t:

Got it.

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dan__t:

Just getting my feet wet, that's all.

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Dagmar:

search for "executive overview" on the wiki. It'll help

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dan__t:

Thank you.

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dan__t:

I'm also curious about using something tiny like an EPIA or MicroATX machine as a set-top box.

[21:03:44]

dan__t:

Idea being, I can wirelessly stream – probably using N – to these set-top boxes.

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wagnerrp:

optimal setup is a modern, midrange dual core chip (not an atom), onboard nvidia graphics, and if you want multiple boxes, wired networking

[21:04:44]

wagnerrp:

dont worry about memory, 1GB is more than plenty

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wagnerrp:

dont worry about raid, just use independent disks

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Josh_Borke:

it'll always air again ;-)

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jamesd__:

wagnerrp, you mean 1GB for video memory ;-) ... damm the graphics card companies are getting so crazy.

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dan__t:

heh.

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dan__t:

Would it be feasible to be able to use these alleged set-top boxes to stream the actual commercial service over the wire? Say, I had your standard cable on my MythTV server. I want to make that available to these set-top boxes by means of a software selectable input on the mythtv frontend

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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mchou:

I dunno. graphics is the weak point for myth boxen atm

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Dagmar:

Probably not

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mchou:

dan__t: yeah, that's called firewire :)

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mchou:

dan__t: works great

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dan__t:

haha

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wagnerrp:

i think hes asking about going the opposite direction

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wagnerrp:

have mythtv serve content to his cable STBs

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dan__t:

I'm wanting to provide both cable and MythTV to a mythtv client on a Linux-based set-top box. I don't want one set-top box for cable, and another for mythtv

[21:09:21]

dan__t:

But I'm still "set" on using a set-top box in this manner.

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dan__t:

I'd throw the STBs away.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv expects that hardware it is using is dedicated to mythtv

[21:10:01]

wagnerrp:

if you want to use an STB manually, you need a second one

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dan__t:

I understand, I'm not trying to get around that.

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dan__t:

This STB would be a minimalistic machine in a STB form factor that sits with the TV itself, running mythtv client, whos output goes to the TV.

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mchou:

dan__t: your cable company has that

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wagnerrp:

yes, you can build a remote frontend for mythtv, separate from the backend with the tuner cards

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dan__t:

Er. No.

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mchou:

a master STB with many samll "frontends"

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dan__t:

That's what I'm getting at, wagnerrp.

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mchou:

small*

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mchou:

the "frontends" are not technically STBs

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dan__t:

Let's try another approach. Say I wanted to stream content from, say, my cable TV service, to a mythtv client.

[21:11:56]

dan__t:

I can figure it out from there.

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dan__t:

I *know*.

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i_is_cat:

weird.. the tmdb page wont let me click ok on a new crew member :S lol

[21:12:21]

dan__t:

But they would work on this hypothetical STB that I'm going to make.

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i_is_cat:

ah there we go

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dan__t:

They would provide a means of output which would then feed to their respective TVs.

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mchou:

umm, why? cableco already has this

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mchou:

and they dont require you to pay thru the nose

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wagnerrp:

i dont really understand what you want to do

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wagnerrp:

mythtv consists of two programs, a frontend and a backend

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wagnerrp:

the backend records content, the frontend connects to the backend over the network and plays content

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** mchou thinks dan__t needs to read myth docs **

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wagnerrp:

that network can be the loopback interface, or can be a real network

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dan__t:

Ok, let's start with this. I have a mythtv server which runs the backend, right. mythtv clients/frontends talk to it. I want that frontend to run on this hypothetical set-top box that is a simple Linux machine in a STB form factor, right

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wagnerrp:

you make one backend, and then make small frontends throughout the house

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dan__t:

I know.

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dan__t:

Again – I know. I know, I know, I know.

[21:14:46]

dan__t:

I really do, I promise you.

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mchou:

bullshit

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dan__t:

I want to run a frontend on a STB that I make.

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wagnerrp:

so what is it youre asking

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wagnerrp:

an STB? or a computer?

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mchou:

we dont know what you say you know

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wagnerrp:

there is a different

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wagnerrp:

an STB is usually a small embedded machine, with hardware decoding

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wagnerrp:

typically not something you can run mythtv on

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dan__t:

I started saying "STB" because you started to describe this machine I'm going to make as one. I was using it as a general term.

[21:15:51]

dan__t:

I didn't mean it in the sense of "the set top box provided by $wanker_cable_company"

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mchou:

dan__t: lol

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wagnerrp:

an STB is just a cable box, or a satellite receiver

[21:16:18]

dan__t:

Let's call it "this small form-factor machine that will run a frontend that so happens to feed the TV that it sits next to".

[21:16:19]

wagnerrp:

anything that you plug into the line your content provider gives you, and outputs video

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mchou:

dan__t: apparently you have real trouble expressing yourself

[21:16:36]

wagnerrp:

an STB never runs mythtv

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dan__t:

The only trouble is someone started using the term "STB" to describe this dedicated fronted machine, so I went with the flow.

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mchou:

citation?

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mchou:

dan__t: nobody here but yourself described this thing as STB

[21:17:36]

dan__t:

Invalid.

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wagnerrp:

so you build these small mini-atx/itx boxes, place them by your tvs, throw in a CF card and a mythtv installation, and go

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dan__t:

Alright. My mistake, I'll eat that one.

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wagnerrp:

what are you asking

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dan__t:

That's what I'm looking for, wagnerrp. I also want to make an input of type $cableprovider that I can also send to the frontends that are in that configuration.

[21:18:28]

wagnerrp:

all inputs to mythtv go to the backend

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dan__t:

Correct.

[21:18:38]

wagnerrp:

and then the backend provides video to the frontend

[21:18:38]

dan__t:

From there they can be streamed to Mr. Frontend.

[21:18:57]

wagnerrp:

and the frontend displays it on your tv

[21:19:02]

dan__t:

I understand.

[21:19:05]

wagnerrp:

i still dont understand your question

[21:19:31]

dan__t:

I'll brb.

[21:19:33]

dan__t:

I'm sorry, phone.

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wagnerrp:

if you want to use your cable STB, along with all the cable menus, over mythtv, that wont work

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mchou:

bullshit

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mchou:

this dude needs to read myth docs. End of story

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wagnerrp:

even if you could rig up some sort of IR passthru that fed the commands to the cablebox in the basement, mythtv does not know how to dedicate a input to livetv, and you still have a couple second lag from the time it outputs from the cablebox to the time it displays on the tv

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dan__t:

Ok, ultimately that's what I was getting at.

[21:36:19]

dan__t:

Sorry for the interruption, and thanks for the patience, I really appreciate it.

[21:36:58]

dan__t:

I'll read up on any types of auxiliary inputs I can make available to the frontends through the backend, in this case that input being cable TV.

[21:37:21]

dan__t:

I don't mean to be such a pain in the ass, I promise. I need to actually get something together and play with this myself haha.

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Dagmar:

How the hell would that be auxilliary

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dan__t:

How wouldn't it? I'd expect it to be just another input that the backend knows of, that the frontends can also access. I'm not sure.

[21:38:24]

Dagmar:

Perhaps you don't know what auxilliary means

[21:38:36]

Dagmar:

It's not like getting you to work is an auxillary function of your car

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dan__t:

Yeah, thanks for clearing that up, I understand what it means.

[21:39:02]

dan__t:

I'm going to put something together and F around with it.

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Dagmar:

Read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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Dagmar:

None of this stuff should be a mystery

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dan__t:

Again, its not, but thanks, I'll read up.

[21:40:14]

Dagmar:

...and http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/auxiliary

[21:40:34]

dan__t:

I know what "auxiliary" means :)

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Dagmar:

No, you clearly don't.

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Dagmar:

There's no way streaming cable to a frontend is an auxillary function

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Dagmar:

The core reason for MythTV's existance is to freaking show you your cable TV

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dan__t:

Alright, well I'm done, thanks again for everyone's help

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hednod:

damnit.. why is my audio playing at half-speed on my recordings recently

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hednod:

hm

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hednod:

seems that some of my files are ending up .nuv and some are ending up .mpg

[22:08:45]

hednod:

and the .nuv files are what end up screwed up

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Dagmar:

So fix that transcode profile

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clever:

.nuv is what you get from transcoding or old capture cards

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hednod:

i didn't break it, thats the weird thing

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hednod:

i haven't made any changes to the transcoding settings, or mythtv settings at all, in months

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clever:

digital tv?

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hednod:

yep

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clever:

then maybe the cable co changed something with the formats

[22:10:17]

clever:

which is now causing problems with your current config

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dan__t:

RE: my issue above, I found a lot of answers in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire, btw

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hednod:

clever: have any knowledge on what i would need to tune? i have transcode (using the default encoding settings) going to mp4 format

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clever:

nope

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hednod:

clever: most likely a problem with my audio encoding though, yes? as it seems to only be my audio that is messed up

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hednod:

changed the freq from 32000 to 44100, see what happens

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clever:

you could also turn automatic transcoding off, so you dont 'break' any more files while trying to fix it

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hednod:

resulting in HUGE recordings

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hednod:

which is why i transcode in the first place

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clever:

once you fix it you can turn it back on

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clever:

and manualy mark the ones you missed to transcode

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J-e-f-f-A:

hednod: Disk is cheap now... Moar Disk Spppaaaccceeee!!!!!

[22:32:47]

hednod:

adding disk means replacing the disks that are in there now

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hednod:

a pain in the butt i'll save for some other day

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meshe:

sata pci card are only $25

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but they only offer like four ports

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wagnerrp:

not to mention one hard drive will max out the PCI bus anymore

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hednod:

its not about that

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hednod:

its about limited space in my media box ;)

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wagnerrp:

so buy another box

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J-e-f-f-A:

hednod: I've got 6x500's in there now... by the time I replace them, I'll probably need a new motherboard to support the larger drive sizes... ;-)

[22:34:39]

wagnerrp:

or buy one of those NAS units

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hednod:

JEDIDIAH__: but think about all the money you saved, by having your furance removed?

[22:36:14]

hednod:

furnace

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hednod:

fireplace too

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wagnerrp:

hednod: huh? each hard drive might pull 8–10W under load...

[22:36:40]

hednod:

those 6 500's should heat your home quite well on their own

[22:37:04]

hednod:

no, i'll just cut down how long i keep recordings

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wagnerrp:

space heaters usually run 1500W, and thats merely because thats all they can safely pull before risking breaking a 15A circuit

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hednod:

200GB is plenty enough for my needs right now

[22:39:04]

wagnerrp:

if you intend to watch and delete, sure

[22:39:47]

hednod:

i can replace my 2x 500gb's with 2x 1TB's at some point down the line

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Dagmar:

IT IS FORBIDDEN

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** Dagmar shuns you **

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hednod:

Dagmar: forbiden to what?

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Dagmar:

Why the hell would you think you couldn't?

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hednod:

spending my afternoon porting my system to a larger pair of disks is not a project i get real excited about

[22:42:49]

hednod:

as i record an average of 2–6 hours a week, i'm not hurting that bad

[22:42:50]

wagnerrp:

why? put the hard drives in, copy the data, pull the hard drives out

[22:42:59]

wagnerrp:

doesnt seem too complex

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hednod:

didn't say it was complex :)

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wagnerrp:

should be all of five minutes of actual work

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wagnerrp:

i suppose its more if youre running some kind of RAID on that

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wagnerrp:

maybe eight minutes

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hednod:

doesn't take eight minutes to copy 500GB of data

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Dagmar:

That's right, it typically takes many more minutes than that

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wagnerrp:

who says you have to sit there waiting for it to happen?

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hednod:

perhaps if i had some 10,000rpm scsi's in there ;)

[22:47:27]

dustybin:

anybody fancy a glass of *Benedict* ?

[22:47:27]

hednod:

anyhow its not a big deal, just irritating to have something stop working when i wasn't the cause of the problem ;)

[22:48:41]

wagnerrp:

seems dustybin has fallen to a yet lower level of triviality

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Befriend28:

Can I patch the MythTV running on a Mythdora, if yes how do I do it?

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iamlindoro:

You can patch any myth you like, but you have to compile it from source

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Befriend28:

iamlindor Thanks will that mean that I have to remove Myth TV installation from my MythDora installation, and then get the source and compile it from scratch my self? Could you please take a look at this http://pastebin.com/da59159b I keep getting Audio buffer overflow in my logfile. I use ALSA:default and my speakers just give a short sound and then it starts to fill up my logfile

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iamlindoro:

yes, that is what that means

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Dagmar:

You could always install MythBuntu

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Befriend28:

Dagmar What different will that make from mythdora?

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Dagmar:

It's a whole 'nother set of crap to go wrong

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Dagmar:

...which might not.

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Befriend28:

Dagmar I don't like Ubuntu, I'm a Red Hat man so I run MythDora

[23:08:05]

Dagmar:

To put this completely honestly, and more than a little bluntly, It's damn stupid to bother learning to build source into packages for _just this_

[23:08:08]

dan__t:

There are some bad-ass small form factor cases out there...

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Dagmar:

Befriend28: Looks like you get to keep it's bugs then

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Befriend28:

Dagmar is the distro of mythbunto newer then the MythDora?

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Dagmar:

I suggest you learn how to rebuild RPMs and then learn how to patch theirs

[23:09:02]

gbee:

just how far behind is MythDora?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/epg_roughout.png

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Dagmar:

Befriend28: You're perfectly capable of looking that inforamtion up

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iamlindoro:

First rough stab at the live TV EPG

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gbee:

iamlindoro: heh, I was just about to ask

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Befriend28:

Dagmar sorry for asking... don't you know?

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Dagmar:

Why should it?

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Dagmar:

s/it/I/;

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wagnerrp:

dan__t: sadly, nice small cases tend to be more expensive than nice large ones

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gbee:

iamlindoro: you've got the guts to do what I was considering for a while, i.e. not using the full screen width

[23:11:13]

iamlindoro:

gbee, For the program guide one I'll likely do something traditionalish, but for LiveTV, I think most folks want to browse through "what's on right *now*"

[23:11:41]

dan__t:

Indeed.

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iamlindoro:

gbee, s/guts/inexperience/

[23:11:56]

gbee:

yeah, hadn't thought about it that way

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dan__t:

I'm still on the quest for something that looks as if it might belong sitting next to/on top of a TV.

[23:12:12]

dan__t:

I want IR on the front and possibly a little display.

[23:13:13]

dan__t:

mini-itx.com is pretty neat as a product showcase.

[23:14:15]

iamlindoro:

gbee, This is a great example of why I would love to see those statetypes, the whole EPG shape being the genre color is oooogly

[23:14:48]

gbee:

the cropping of the callsigns is unfortunate and maybe the alpha needs decreasing a touch for readability, but otherwise it's a nice concept

[23:15:08]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Yeah, it's probably a million miles from what I'll end up with, was going only for placement ATM

[23:15:25]

iamlindoro:

gbee, the EPG is still different enough from the rest of MythUI that it's a bit of a pain to wrestle with

[23:16:08]

iamlindoro:

This is also why I asked the other day about breaking out channum/channame/callsign for that field

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gbee:

aye, aye ... plan to make some changes, but carefully so not to offend anyone

[23:16:21]

iamlindoro:

Completely understood

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iamlindoro:

I totally respect his work as a first effort

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gbee:

he did a lot of the hard work, anything I do now would be comparatively easy

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gbee:

I'd dearly love to make each program slot entirely themable like buttonlist buttons, but I know that scalable fields make that extremely difficult, so whatever I do manage for 0.22 will be a compromise between what's there now and what I'd eventually love to see

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iamlindoro:

It's more than good enough to get a start on it, I really want to be able to release the theme in time with .22

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gbee:

and I really need to look into the video masking

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Ozzyprv:

hi there, I am looking for help to put together a Mythubuntu box. Anyone?

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iamlindoro:

Ozzyprv, You need to ask specific questions, nobody is going to respond for the general "help"

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Ozzyprv:

thank you iamlondoro. I am planing on getting a Shaw Cable HD box (Canada). It seems like the box comes with a Firewire port. What TV tuner do I need to get (if any)?

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wagnerrp:

if youre using firewire, you dont need a tuner

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wagnerrp:

although i believe in canada, there is nothing requiring Shaw to actually provide functional firewire

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mchou:

I dont think in canada the firewire port is enabled

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wagnerrp:

chances are youre going to record most of your stuff with an ir-blaster and an analog capture card

[23:26:22]

wagnerrp:

try to pick up an old IVTV (pvr-150) card

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mchou:

you can check if firewire port is enabled on your STB by looking at the diagnostic setup for the STB, though

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Ozzyprv:

I check the mailing list records and it seems that it is enabled with this cable provider

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mchou:

forget checking mailing list

[23:26:52]

Ozzyprv:

can I post links here?

[23:26:58]

Ozzyprv:

oh, why is that?

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mchou:

verify by looking at the diag screen for your STB

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wagnerrp:

yes, just dont post multiple lines of text

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Ozzyprv:

i don't have the HD box yet

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gbee:

GreyFoxx might know, but then I'm picking on him as the only Canadian I can think of at this minute

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Ozzyprv:

if it does not work with MythTV I will not get it

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mchou:

Ozzyprv: do they require purchase of STB or rental?

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bungled:

iamlindoro: that EPG looks AMAZING!

[23:28:06]

Befriend28:

Do I really have to compile MythTV manual to fix this ignoring sound problem? http://pastebin.com/da59159b

[23:28:18]

Ozzyprv:

either one + paying for the HD service...I could always try to get a free month to try...

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iamlindoro:

bungled, Thanks :)

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gbee:

if the component outputs of the box are enabled you still have the option of an HD-PVR, not as good, but not all that bad either

[23:28:33]

wagnerrp:

Befriend28: if no one is providing a binary distribution for your system, yes

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mchou:

Ozzyprv: then go with rental first

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mchou:

Ozzyprv: that will allow you time to make sure everything works

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bungled:

iamlindoro: on the topic of EPGs, in Greyhem Wide the EPG doesn't fill the whole screen

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Dagmar:

Alternatively, you could test the sound infrastructure to be sure it's working correctly.

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Befriend28:

wagnerrp But is this problem known to be an issue with MythDora latest version?

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Dagmar:

This doesn't look like a bug in MythTV one can simply patch around.

[23:29:29]

wagnerrp:

Befriend28: i wouldnt know, i dont use mythdora

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Dagmar:

It looks like either Myth was misconfigured horribly, or ALSA was never set up properly

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bungled:

iamlindoro: and the option to change the number of channels visible just mashes more into that same space

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Befriend28:

wagnerrp I don't get it... I have searched google up and down. The only "TV" application giving me this problem i MythTV all others like TVTime, VLC ect. works fine

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iamlindoro:

bungled, I started theming after .21, so I really am no help on themes in the release version

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Dagmar:

So you've not actually tested ALSA or made sure your MythTV audio configuration was sane then

[23:31:41]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/epg_roughout2.png

[23:31:47]

iamlindoro:

There we go, some slight tweaks

[23:31:50]

Dagmar:

Hey at least Mythbuntu will probably configure itself correctly.

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bungled:

iamlindoro: aah, you seemed to be wise in the ways of the frontend GUI, so I thought I'd ask =)

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Ozzyprv:

muchou: this is where I got the info from http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . wire;#372228

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iamlindoro:

bungled, I never use the EPG, I always do my scheduling in Mythweb-- only poking at it now because I need to get it themed, and challenging myself to produce somethign I would actually use

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Befriend28:

Dagmar I know for sure that anything else work, and that sound works fine anywhere else in my installation.

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Dagmar:

So what makes you think this is a bug as opposed to you not configuring it properly?>

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bungled:

iamlindoro: on second thought, it seems to be related to the mythbuntu 8.10 release. It looks fine on this install of ubu8.0

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bungled:

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Dagmar:

Amazing how inquiring as to whether or not the application was configured correctly is met with complete silence

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Dagmar:

No I will not netsex you Ozzyprv

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Dagmar:

Sheesh

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Ozzyprv:

@Dagmar: sorry, just trying commands, I am a n00b

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** Befriend28 thinks this channel should be called Mythbunto-user channel **

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Ozzyprv:

my apologies

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Dagmar:

Befriend28: Well I think you should be renamed to "Didn't actually make sure his sound was configured right"

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Befriend28:

Dagmar What is there to configure when anything works...

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Befriend28:

Dagmar give me a hint to where I should look for this stupid buffer overflow

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Dagmar:

in the audio configuration menus for the frontend

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Dagmar:

How about you stop the passive-aggressive act while you're at it

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bungled:

oh, I've got another question that wasn't really covered in the docs, but I think i'm on the right path wth

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bungled:

with*

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bungled:

my cable provider just recently dropped all but the local channels from their analog signal

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Dagmar:

Wow. Lame of them

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bungled:

and moved 'basic' cable to digital signals

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Dagmar:

So basically, they just abandoned their analog cable service entirely?

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bungled:

i've got a HD cable box in the living room that my mtyh box will be firewire'd into

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Dagmar:

Good luck with that.

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Befriend28:

Dagmar I have been though them all without any luck.. I simply need to inches the buffer (I'll stop my negative approach, it is just that I have had this problem for a month now with every installation I had made from installing on a normal Fedora 10 and using MythDora)

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Dagmar:

Most cable providers act like you're asking to sodomize their daughters if you want actual video over firewire

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Dagmar:

Befriend28: I don't really care how long you've ignored the problem

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bungled:

dagmar: but here in the US they have to make the port available =)

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Dagmar:

Befriend28: So what DID you set the audio output device to?

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Dagmar:

bungled: Yep. Some of them do that.

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Dagmar:

bungled: ...and that's about *all* they do.

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Dagmar:

bungled: Unless you can figure out the "copy protection" protocol they've enabled in most markets, you're not getting anything but PBS over firewire

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Dagmar:

Most of the time you can use it to change channels, but you're just SOL if you live somewhere other than Seattle or the Bay Area/So-Cal

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Befriend28:

Dagmar Now you a pushing me.... I set the audio device to ALSA:default and /dev/dsp enabled the increased buffer, and tried the aggressive buffer switch

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bungled:

dagmar: well, assuming that I'm able to get some signal from that (or through the PVR250 in that box) is it possible to record to a remote location, i.e. my backend?

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Dagmar:

Befriend28: /dev/dsp was dead wwrong

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Dagmar:

Befriend28: Entirely and 100% wrong in fact

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you should look more carefully at the docs

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Dagmar:

bungled: How is your backend a remote location?

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Befriend28:

Dagmar Then what about the ALSA:Default ?

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bungled:

dagmar: the backend will be on my desktop box, the frontend will be a frontend-only install

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Dagmar:

Befriend28: If you have to ask then you didn't look at the docuemntation

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RDV_Linux1:

iamlindoro: Just saw your latest TV EPG image. Very slick, I look forward to the day I can try out your theme.

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Dagmar:

bungled: To put this simply, the tuners and the backend need to be in the same place

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux1, Thanks-- Just a very very rought first stab at the layout, will undoubtedly look very different in the end

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bungled:

dagmar: even with firewire?

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Ozzyprv:

Dagmar: are you always in such a GREAT mood?

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Dagmar:

Ozzyprv: Do you have something useful to contribute?

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Dagmar:

bungled: You have some way of getting mythbackend to access a firewire device on some other machine?

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Ozzyprv:

questions for now, that is all. Thanks for asking thou

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Befriend28:

Dagmar The documentation you say.... where more specific in that extreme big book should I look, if even googel can

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bungled:

dagmar: I haven't gotten that far yet, just trying to see if it's possible to use the firewire on the frontend box and save the recording on another box

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Dagmar:

bungled: You should proabbly read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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Dagmar:

It'll clear up a lot about what design decisions you can and can't make

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Dagmar:

It's a lot simpler to deal with this stuff once you understand how it's supposed to operate

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bungled:

dagmar: it's not the end of the world if I have to add a slave backend to the HTPC, just wanted to try and save on resources/heat

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Dagmar:

If you're going to do your controls over firewire, do you really need to have the STB in the room with the media center?

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Dagmar:

Think about it

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Befriend28:

Dagmar understand how it works you say.... what is it I'm missing here... I have picture, I have EPG, I have all my channels setup. and the sound is the problem here you say.

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bungled:

dagmar: independent of the frontend/backend issue, how feasible is it to use a hard drive on another box over 10/100 LAN?

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Dagmar:

Befriend28: And I'm telling you the most likely cause of a problem is you set the wrong mixer device or one of hte audio settings

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bungled:

dagmar: for recording that is

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Dagmar:

Basically, you're getting that message because MythTV is trying to write audio data to a device that isn't doing anything with it

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wagnerrp:

bungled: even with the highest bitrate DVB stream you may come across, the most you have to stream across the network is about 3MB/s

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wagnerrp:

if your 10/100 LAN cant handle that, you have problems

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Dagmar:

bungled: Pretty easy actually. 10b-T will be fast enough, 100b-T definitely fast enough for streaming video

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Dagmar:

Befriend28: If this were a bug you needed to patch, more people than just you would have encountered it

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bungled:

dagmar/wagner: so the only potential bottleneck would be the ability of the receiving computer to write to disk?

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Dagmar:

Yeah and the odds of that being a bottleneck are loowwwww

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bungled:

dagmar: sweet.

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Dagmar:

You really have to work at it to misconfigure the disk controller to not do any PIO/DMA/ATA modes

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wagnerrp:

again... 3MB/s, if you cant handle that, you have other problems

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Dagmar:

Like, you might want to make sure ther'es not fire coming out of the case if you can't get at least 33Mb/s out of modern disks

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bungled:

dagmar: well, it's been a few weeks since that happened

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Dagmar:

heh

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