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Wednesday, April 22nd, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

Wow... It's official. I'm old. WD is releasing a new 2TB HDD with a cache that's larger than the first HDD I ever bought--their 64MB cache is 60% larger than the 40MB HDD I bought myself back in the early '90's.

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JEDIDIAH__:

when myth is being built with an alternate prefix, does that get embedded anywhere so that myth is dependent on things being in that location? clearly libraries aren't a problem.

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sphery:

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=610 for those who want one for Myth :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i was looking at that earlier

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wagnerrp:

you notice they bumped up the unrecoverable error rate to <1 per 10^15?

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JEDIDIAH__:

any pricing on that monster yet?

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wagnerrp:

less than one per petabyte

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: $320

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sphery:

yeah, lower price than the 40MB one, too :)

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: yes, the RUNPREFIX is saved in libmyth

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: you might be able to get around it by setting MYTHTVDIR

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sphery:

iamlindoro: You mentioned flash in TV's... Shouldn't Hulu be suing to stop that?

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iamlindoro:

I mentioned whatsit in the whonow?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: so long as they use the official player, why would they care?

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wagnerrp:

its no different than any other browser

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sphery:

iamlindoro: oh, I guess it was wagnerrp who mentioned it...

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iamlindoro:

Guess so :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but the conspiracy theorists surmise that it's not so much whether you use a "regular browser" but whether you're using Hulu to replace a paid subscription to cable/satellite for your main TV

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wagnerrp:

i complained about flash getting pushed onto yet another platform

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sphery:

i.e. boxee makes using hulu instead of cable/satellite easy for lots of people

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wagnerrp:

but said nothing about hulu

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sphery:

true... I commented on hulu

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well then just are just going to have to shut hulu down

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sphery:

and putting it in blu-ray and other devices is similarly annoying

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wagnerrp:

because theres no way they are going to block people just because their TV now has a browser

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sphery:

yeah, it will be interesting to see what comes of it

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes... hulu mess plus flash into TV's does sound hilarious.

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sphery:

yeah, just another case of old media not understanding the new world...

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JEDIDIAH__:

how does myth decide where to look for stuff in "share/mythtv" ?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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sphery:

you mean /usr versus /usr/local?

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes

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sphery:

if so, see my :05 after the hour response to you

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JEDIDIAH__:

I was thinking of something more exotic.

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sphery:

RUNPREFIX is saved in libmyth and MYTHTVDIR environment variable can be used to override it

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JEDIDIAH__:

thx

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JEDIDIAH__:

I was interested in something more tidy, one directory to deal with when I rebuild stuff.

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JEDIDIAH__:

like /opt/mythtv

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wagnerrp:

that may result in a more tidy directory

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wagnerrp:

but your PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH are going to be horribly fugly

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sphery:

are you saying that specifying --prefix=/opt/mythtv isn't working for you?

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sphery:

in theory, it should (provided you update both PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH (or ld.so.conf) appropriately)

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sphery:

as wagnerrp mentioned :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

being fugly is what PATH variables are for.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I was only worried about share because it's the only thing that doesn't already have a standard pointer for it.

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wagnerrp:

well the ld_library_path can be taken care of with ld.so.conf

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wagnerrp:

and you can symlink in the binaries to prevent the need for making a nasty path

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JEDIDIAH__:

I was more thinking about the possibility of changing my scheme without rebuilding the code.

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JEDIDIAH__:

yes there's that...

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JEDIDIAH__:

I'm not so much worried the path.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I primarily want something that will be easy to clean up and to backup and possibly run from an nfs mount.

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: you could do that and compile with --prefix=/opt/mythtv and then make dirs /opt/mythtv-20090421 with symlink ln -snf mythtv-20090421 /opt/mythtv

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kormoc:

sphery, you should see my email now

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sphery:

ah, finally, the wait is over.

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sphery:

This was worse than the wait for SG Atlantis Season 5

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

They had better writers ;)

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iamlindoro:

And Kaylee

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** kormoc swoons **

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sphery:

OK, I may have to reconsider... It's been so long a wait I forgot about Kaylee.

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sphery:

kormoc: Thanks for sending it. I'm obviously not getting my point across, so it's nice to have someone else

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sphery:

reword it better.

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kormoc:

I hope it makes sense, doing way too many things at once

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iamlindoro:

Plus, he's a developer, not some fly by night individual such as yourself

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sphery:

yeah, he's both a -developer- and a "PWCA"

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iamlindoro:

And not your secret internet twin like me

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kormoc:

PWCA?

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sphery:

Person With Commit Access

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iamlindoro:

Person with commit Access

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kormoc:

Ahh!

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iamlindoro:

dangit

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iamlindoro:

too slow

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** kormoc struts around with his PWCA badge **

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iamlindoro:

shouldn't stop to fix typos

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iamlindoro:

I'm just a FRW/OP

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sphery:

his term after I got all bent out of shape about how he said I'm not a -developer-, even though I often say "I'm not a developer"

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kormoc:

Anyway, time to jet home and vacuum

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sphery:

(Really, though, what he didn't understand was that I wasn't concerned over his saying I'm not a developer. I was actually just someone irked by his completely dismissing my opinion as irrelevant. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/379572#379572 )

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sphery:

somewhat

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kormoc:

Yeah, as you should have been imho

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kormoc:

The world would not be the same without Mr. Dean!

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sphery:

anyway, thanks again for posting a better-worded reply than I could muster

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kormoc:

We'll see if it gets though

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** kormoc waves **

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sphery:

well, step 1 is out of the way--got through the mail server...

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sphery:

now there's getting through to the reader

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iamlindoro:

So you'll be happy to hear that I found that 5 minutes of my 24 recording were swapped into the SD mode

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iamlindoro:

First and only time I've ever seen such a screwup

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sphery:

Yes! Finally, FL TV engineers have exerted their immense influence on CA engineers.

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iamlindoro:

Now we just need some earthquake warnings or some such

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sphery:

I'm just watching a Bones episode that does that several times so they can tell me about the freeze warning

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sphery:

(same one that messed up shows on other channels on Feb 5)

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iamlindoro:

Thankfully 24 is one of the few shows I watch and delete

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wagnerrp:

not worth the 75GB/season?

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sphery:

After saying that, I started to formulate the answer to, "Oh, Bones? Is that worth watching?" and was thinking I'd say, "Not really--I'm just watching it because I watched previous seasons. It's OK, but nothing worth mentioning on IRC." Then, I started to wonder how it could get several seasons (and likely another next) when T:TSCC gets cancelled...

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iamlindoro:

Just got into it after multiple seasons, no point in archiving it from 4 or 5 seasons in

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iamlindoro:

My MythVideo array is going to need an expansion soonish, though

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iamlindoro:

Today at TMDB saw the addition of "Back furure" and "1990 Back Furure"

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iamlindoro:

Which were, AFAICT, Back the the Future and 2

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iamlindoro:

er Back to the

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sphery:

other language?

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iamlindoro:

New records, but clearly the adder was ESL

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sphery:

according to Google, when you type "back furure", you mean "back future" — "Did you mean: back future"

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

But what about 1990 Back Furure?

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iamlindoro:

;)

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sphery:

the annoying thing about that is sometimes you /meant/ to search for the first and they still include results for the second, so you have to search again with "back +furure -future" (no quotes)

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iamlindoro:

I really like a lot of the operators you can add to a google search, though

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iamlindoro:

so helpful

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sphery:

then they're telling you you meant furniture, but there aren't a lot of hits on back furniture without future

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sphery:

yeah, it's the auto-modify that's somewhat annoying when you know what you're searching for

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sphery:

but really amazing when you don't--i.e. "what are those little black bugs in my sink"

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sphery:

So, watching Bones, in the last 2 episodes I watched, Booth has had some hallucinations. Now I think I understand how it is that Stewie Griffin (from Family Guy) is going to make a (pretty major, AIUI) appearance on Bones.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Image:The_system.jpg

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iamlindoro:

Why would you upload this dark-ass image as an example of your system?

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iamlindoro:

which also appears to have been taken with a cell phone

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sphery:

and upscaled from 640x480?

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sphery:

good show, though

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iamlindoro:

I can tell from the two glowy bits that it's an Antec fusion, but the rest.... Is that a nipple?

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sphery:

It was a /wardrobe malfunction/. Really!

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iamlindoro:

suuuuuuure ;)

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iamlindoro:

Mmkay, up to Fringe 1x06 now :)

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sphery:

enjoy

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sphery:

let me know when you get to Fringe Idol...

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sphery:

might have to hulu the end

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iamlindoro:

Heh, Remember I didn't get that one at all, channel moved that afternoon

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iamlindoro:

and I will indeed have to Chthulu it

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sphery:

oh, yeah

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sphery:

so you'll get the clean one for archival

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iamlindoro:

I'm going to start my own steaming video site, www.cthulu.com

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iamlindoro:

It starts as the same show, but by the end you must worship the dark one

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

you /really/ have to find some people to play Arkham Horror with...

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mzb:

"Please wait" is a nice touch ... thanks guys :)

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, and it's themable

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mzb:

(WAF+)

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mzb:

really?

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iamlindoro:

Still trying to nail down exactly how I'll be theming it

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

no more complaining about myth not doing anything when you press the button?

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mzb:

nah ... hard to tell in the past if it was working up to playing, or getting ready to crash ;)

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iamlindoro:

It is a nice little touch for sure

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mzb:

wow ... I reckon my ${WOMAN} will be wanting to blow one of you a kiss if I can theme 'Please wait' ;)

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iamlindoro:

concept and original patch by gbee, finished and committed by paulh

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mzb:

I've not noticed the new deinterlacer in the options yet, though

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mzb:

(just rebuilt yesterday)

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iamlindoro:

Kernel 2x was added 14 hours ago, so if it was more than that...

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mzb:

hmm

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mzb:

yeah, probably more like 18

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mzb:

ah well ... doing a rebuild is just a matter of finding time when the system's not being used

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iamlindoro:

Mark deserves much love for all the multithreading stuff for deinterlacers

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mzb:

sounds like a clever idea ... would love to try it (seeing as my rptv has decided to go to lunch again)

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iamlindoro:

Ha ha explodey head

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iamlindoro:

and explody head prop on the table

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wagnerrp:

exploding heads? what are you watching?

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iamlindoro:

Fringe 1x06

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iamlindoro:

Radioactive chick in a diner asplode

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Lexridge:

what do you all think of this motherboard? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=2321 Ordered it today with a GeForce 9600 gfx card.

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pengudeus:

Hello. Is anyone knowledgeable about setting up Dish Network with MythTV using S-video?

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sphery:

Lexridge: sounds like a lot of people are using that one, though the SLI probably won't be much use with Myth

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sphery:

pengudeus: what specifically do you need help with?

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Lexridge:

sphery: Yea, I kinda figured that. :(

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sphery:

I think gb ee uses that specific mobo with the integrated graphics

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wagnerrp:

why use a discrete graphics card on that board?

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pengudeus:

Well, I have an S-video cable going from my Dish Network tuner to my PC, which has a Hauppauge PVR-250 card. I've configured the mythtv-backend to use the svideo input and I was able to download channels and run the mythfilldatabase. However, when I access the frontend, the screen turns all black and either freezes that way or backs out completely.

[04:02:39]

pengudeus:

The TV portion of the frontend, that is

[04:02:41]

sphery:

pengudeus: sounds like you don't have a channel change script specified, yet

[04:03:21]

pengudeus:

sphery: do I need one if I plan on using my PC to change the channels? ( This question sounds idiotic...but I was under the assumption it was only for IR remotes )

[04:03:23]

sphery:

"External channel change command" in mythtv-setup

[04:04:04]

sphery:

how would your PC change the channel? The channel is set on an external set-top-box receiver, right?

[04:04:37]

sphery:

And, even if DISH now supports firewire or USB or whatever for channel changes, you'd need a script that sends the command

[04:05:08]

sphery:

if you mean the PC will /not/ set the channel (you're going to manually do it until you decide to get an IR transmitter), use /bin/true until then

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pengudeus:

So I would use /bin/true if I just want mythtv to view the output of the dishbox and use my regular dish remote for the dish tuner as if I would if I had it plugged into a TV?

[04:06:27]

sphery:

yeah

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pengudeus:

Alright. I'll try it out. Thank you very much.

[04:06:56]

sphery:

though Myth won't be too useful until you actually get a way for the Myth box to change the channel

[04:07:40]

pengudeus:

Well, it will in the sense that I'll be able to do all of the RSS feeds, local PC media, etc. I don't want to use it primarily as a TV box. I just want that as a bonus.

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pengudeus:

Okay, so under external channel change command I would type in /dev/true. If I'm using s-video as the output, do I need to specify anything under "Preset tuner to channel:" or is that only for RF?

[04:10:29]

pengudeus:

er, /bin/true

[04:10:32]

sphery:

/bin/true , not /dev/true

[04:10:37]

pengudeus:

Yeah, I caught that @_@

[04:10:40]

sphery:

you do /not/ want preset tuner to channel

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pengudeus:

ok

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sphery:

that's for RF (and actually, according to most reports, doesn't work even for RF)

[04:11:22]

sphery:

but, yeah, you were right about both :)

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pengudeus:

awesome. Now to keep my fingers crossed

[04:11:44]

wagnerrp:

now that someone mentioned the observer being in ever episode of fringe, im noticing him

[04:12:06]

** sphery starts looking **

[04:12:20]

sphery:

guess I haven't been observant enough

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wagnerrp:

well on tonights, you see him walk across the screen when you first reach the building near the end

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sphery:

I'm only 20mins into it, so I'll watch for that

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wagnerrp:

theyre walking towards local cops and an ambulance, he walks across the foreground

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wagnerrp:

this is ~47 min in

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pengudeus:

damn, no good. I press watch TV and the screen backs out to the main screen.

[04:21:21]

sphery:

pengudeus: next, check your playback profiles--you should probably make sure you select the Slim playback profile group

[04:21:34]

pengudeus:

ok

[04:21:36]

sphery:

in mythfrontend settings under TV Settings|Playback like 3 pages in

[04:21:59]

sphery:

also, check your frontend log for any other info--you could have invalid audio configuration and much more at this point

[04:22:03]

iamlindoro:

Seems checking the backend logs would be a preferred first step

[04:22:19]

iamlindoro:

Since this is textbook "misconfigured capture device"

[04:22:34]

sphery:

that also

[04:22:39]

iamlindoro:

(or no perms on SG)

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pengudeus:

I'm doing the playback fix first. Then I'll check the backend logs

[04:23:15]

iamlindoro:

That's a backwards troubleshooting order IMO

[04:23:29]

iamlindoro:

playback profile tweaks mean nothing when playback never begins

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pengudeus:

Where are the backend logs stored?

[04:24:54]

iamlindoro:

Traditionally, in /var/log/mythtv, but YMMV

[04:25:39]

pengudeus:

>.> I should have known that

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pengudeus:

Hm...

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pengudeus:

Now that's odd...2009-04–21 23:23:52.898 TVRec(1) Error: RingBuffer '/home/pengudeus/Media/Videos/2010_20090421232351.mpg' not open...

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iamlindoro:

most likely somewhere further up you will find that you have no permissions to write to the directory you set to record to

[04:28:21]

iamlindoro:

use www.pastebin.com and pastebin the complete logs please

[04:28:29]

wagnerrp:

is frontend status available anywhere within the database?

[04:28:45]

sphery:

wagnerrp: no, not really

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iamlindoro:

Only to the extent that you can see inuseprograms

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pengudeus:

Okay, I'll use pastebin.

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wagnerrp:

im just struggling with editing recordings and doing lossless transcoding

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wagnerrp:

since it runs the disk (and IO system) as hard as it possibly can

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wagnerrp:

when one recording is transcoding, editing on a separate disk is a bit sluggish

[04:30:14]

wagnerrp:

editing on the same disk is near impossible

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wagnerrp:

just wondering if some sort of patch where mythtranscode would pause if it found active frontends

[04:30:54]

wagnerrp:

would be viable

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sphery:

if you run the transcode through the job queue, the job queue settings affect how much it hogs the resources

[04:31:27]

wagnerrp:

well theres negligible CPU load

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wagnerrp:

but its running ~70MB/s off the disk

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Dave30AZ:

What up?

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sphery:

yeah, but at least one of the CPU Usage options--either Low or Medium and Low sleeps occasionally

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sphery:

might be enough to let the I/O subsystem catch up

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sphery:

could also ionice mythtranscode

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** Dave30AZ is looking for an lirc guru. **

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pengudeus:

http://pastebin.com/d15f17f7b that's the log for my mythtv backend

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sphery:

though that may not be enough if it gets ahead before other processes request I/O

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iamlindoro:

Only to the extent that you can see inuseprograms

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iamlindoro:

gah

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iamlindoro:

"SG(LiveTV) Error: Group 'LiveTV' wants to use directory '/home/pengudeus/Media/Videos/', but this directory is not writeable."

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iamlindoro:

tadaaaaaaaa

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iamlindoro:

and its friend, "SG(DB Backups) Error: Group 'DB Backups' wants to use directory '/home/pengudeus/Media/Music/', but this directory is not writeable."

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** sphery wonders about the 9799 lines of " " **

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iamlindoro:

so more or less, the user running mythbackend has no permissions to the storage dirs

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pengudeus:

Hm...

[04:35:18]

pengudeus:

lemme check permissions on it

[04:35:46]

pengudeus:

Holy crap, I can't believe it was something so simple

[04:35:52]

pengudeus:

You guys are awesome

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pengudeus:

:D

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Dave30AZ:

Been there on that one

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pengudeus:

lol

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Dave30AZ:

So, any of you folks great with figuring out lirc issues?

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pengudeus:

Thank you very much, everyone.

[04:37:24]

iamlindoro:

Dave30AZ, Most of those of us who know anything are too smart to volunteer for indeterminate problems... if you want the smart kids to answer, just ask your question and hope for the best

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Dave30AZ:

Noted. :P

[04:37:40]

iamlindoro:

If you ask for a volunteer you'll just talk to yourself

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, way to let the secret out!

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Dave30AZ:

Okay, here's my thing.. I've got a USB IR blaster / receiver... The receiver part of it works wonderfully, been using it for a good long while now... But suddenly I have the need to use the IR blaster bit... I have all the nifty cords plugged in, it seems to recognize my device, as it knows it has two transmitters (evidenced with irsend SET_TRANSMITTERS responses to any numbers but 1 and 2)...

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I figured if I mentioned that part I was off the hook for answering the lirc questions ;)

[04:40:13]

Dave30AZ:

When I do an irsend, it seems to work perfectly... except that the light doesn't light up

[04:40:20]

Dave30AZ:

And of course the channel doesn't get changed

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kormoc:

Dave30AZ, so I'm guessing it's the microsoft mce=usb receiver/transmitter?

[04:42:58]

Dave30AZ:

Well, it's one BASED on that. Not the official do-hickey... So yes, part of me is wondering if the danged driver just ain't happy with something.

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wagnerrp:

should the light on the receiver blink when youre transmitting?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it does on mine, but mine is official

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Dave30AZ:

I've actually tested it under windows on a different computer, and yes, the cable lights up... (at least one of the cables I've tested it with did)

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kormoc:

Dave30AZ, well, you can also use a digital camera with a live 'preview' mode to see the ir signals if it's sending any

[04:44:00]

Dave30AZ:

*blinks* Seriously? Digicams catch IR?

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wagnerrp:

a cellphone works nicely

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kormoc:

Aye

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Dave30AZ:

That's kinda neat. I'll store that one away for later.

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wagnerrp:

they normally have filters on the lens to kill most of the IR

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kormoc:

But the strong sources like remotes and what not will typically show as a strong red glow

[04:45:10]

Dave30AZ:

Anyway, yeah, it's just not lighting up.

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wagnerrp:

if you strip the filter, the camera gets a very washed out color

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wagnerrp:

but then you can use remotes like flashlights

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iamlindoro:

Dave30AZ, Not *visible* light, or did you go check with a digital camera?

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Dave30AZ:

Awesome. Just checked it out with my regular remote, that's lighting up white.

[04:46:38]

Dave30AZ:

I checked, nothin.

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iamlindoro:

are you using SEND_ONCE or SEND_START?

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Dave30AZ:

SEND_ONCE

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iamlindoro:

SEND_ONCE will likely be too quick for you to catch

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iamlindoro:

use SEND_START

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, my send_once worked fine and was fairly long

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kormoc:

https://www.kormoc.com/stuff/lirc/

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kormoc:

that's the conf files I used

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Dave30AZ:

Still nothing.

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** iamlindoro reads kormoc's recipes **

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, it's quite yummy

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iamlindoro:

I hate when people edit the wiki with first person narrative

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iamlindoro:

totally fouls up decent pages

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Dave30AZ:

Side note, I'm using lirc 0.8.2 on ubuntu 7.10

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wagnerrp:

not a fan of the blogs?

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iamlindoro:

If you're using old lirc, it's very very possible that any of the clone receivers won't work quite right

[04:51:05]

wagnerrp:

i couldnt get my mceusbs to work with 0.8.2

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iamlindoro:

As most of the MCE clones started turning up in the last year or two

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wagnerrp:

i had to update to 0.8.4

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Dave30AZ:

Blah.

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sphery:

So, you're not supposed to read the news articles in Fringe...

[04:52:01]

Dave30AZ:

They don't seem to have any updated gutsy packages... Know any place I can find some unofficial ones, or am I gonna have to build this bitch myself?

[04:52:04]

iamlindoro:

Not to mention if you're using Myth from that era it's likely ancient too

[04:52:18]

Dave30AZ:

My Myth works fine, actually, I'm not terribly worried about it...

[04:52:23]

Dave30AZ:

I figure if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[04:52:26]

wagnerrp:

sphery: why?

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iamlindoro:

Dave123, Are you using Ubuntu 7.10 Myth packages?

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Dave30AZ:

Yeah.

[04:52:53]

Dave30AZ:

Next time tab twice when tab-completing, btw. :P

[04:52:55]

iamlindoro:

I Strongly advise an upgrade

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sphery:

"Genetically Modified Children: The Future of the Super Human Race"... then the article, "Be careful whom you call on your cell phone. It turns out just about anybody--your boss, your spouse, your worst enemy--can purcashe of copy of your phone records for less than $200. ..."

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sphery:

guess they haven't gotten used to the fact that with HDTV we can actually read all those words

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Dave30AZ:

iamlindoro, I appreciate the sentiment, and usually I'm all for the latest and greatest, but this box is very critical to my day-to-day fun-stuff, and it's also my webserver, and the thought of trying to back all that shit up is giving me a migraine.

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wagnerrp:

oof... the comm flagging on chuck seems to have failed horribly

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Dave30AZ:

wagnerrp, be glad if your Chuck came through clearly, they're screwing around with the cable around here, mine was half static and mostly black & white.

[04:55:22]

Dave30AZ:

Soon to be all-digital, I hope, so those problems SHOULD be going away, but still, I had to wait 'til this morning to see Sarah in her undies clearly. :P

[04:55:49]

sphery:

Hmmm... "Government Funds Secret Drug Trials" actually has text that lines up with title...

[04:55:57]

sphery:

batting .500

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Dave30AZ:

Fuuuuuuudge.

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sphery:

Dave30AZ: note that you can get a new computer for relatively cheap and separate your mission-critical services from your luxury/entertainment (MythTV)

[04:58:13]

wagnerrp:

you drop the lug nuts?

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Dave30AZ:

Just saw that 0.8.4 needs a newer kernel than gutsy supports, whee.

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Dave30AZ:

sphery, thanks for spending my money for me. :P

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iamlindoro:

This isn't Ubuntu, we don't do LTS

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sphery:

heh

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Dave30AZ:

Even if you did, I'm not on the LTS version. :P

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iamlindoro:

and .20 and .21 are *drastically* different, making it frustrating and difficult to troubleshoot issues with ancient myth on two year old distros with two version old LIRC

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wagnerrp:

LTS?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Long Term Service

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** Dave30AZ grumbles. **

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, The ubuntu versions that get multiple year support

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sphery:

service or support?

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Dave30AZ:

Well, I've already ordered myself a serial IR cable... so maybe I can duct-tape and bubble gum my issues with that.

[05:00:31]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Security and fixes for their lifetime

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Dave30AZ:

iamlindoro, I think he was asking if you had the "S" part right.

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sphery:

close enough... I've just always read it as support, though I don't know that I've ever seen it spelled out

[05:01:36]

wagnerrp:

no, i was actually asking what LTS meant, i dont use ubuntu

[05:02:22]

iamlindoro:

Funny how when people fall from buildings on TV they *always* hit cars

[05:02:38]

iamlindoro:

Probably because you can't show what actually happens on TV

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wagnerrp:

if they didnt hit a car, you wouldnt be able to watch a car get destroyed

[05:02:51]

sphery:

another article in the episode talks about "Font Wars" (yes, computer-based typographical fonts)

[05:02:52]

Dave30AZ:

Anyway... so, I'd be all too glad to upgrade my distro if I KNEW it would fix my issues... Problem is, what if I upgrade, run into problems with my webserver backend or something, go through hell to get THAT fixed... and STILL the danged IR blaster won't work...

[05:03:01]

wagnerrp:

people wouldnt actually splatter if they hit concrete

[05:03:12]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I beg to differ, having been to a couple of those

[05:03:28]

Dave30AZ:

Skull-cracking = brain splatter. :P

[05:03:36]

Dave30AZ:

I suppose it depends on how they hit.

[05:03:53]

wagnerrp:

well youll spray blood, and possibly some brain matter

[05:04:01]

wagnerrp:

but i doubt your innards will become your outards

[05:04:09]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Not so

[05:04:14]

iamlindoro:

They do exactly that

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wombo1:

When will Mythtv 1.0 come out?

[05:04:28]

Dave30AZ:

You're saying intestinal spooge?

[05:04:33]

Dave30AZ:

That just seems unlikely.

[05:04:41]

iamlindoro:

Sometime after the sun shrivles to a cold, black cinder

[05:04:42]

wagnerrp:

and yet people have actually managed to survive such falls

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Dave30AZ:

wombo1, in the time of Legends.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Height is a fairly significant factor

[05:05:05]

sphery:

wombo1: Someone told me yesterday that MythTV 0.22 might come out after the world ends in 2012

[05:05:19]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, show of hands, who has been to a highrise suicide?

[05:05:19]

wombo1:

hahaha I was wondering what sort of responses that would get :)

[05:05:21]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: im talking about survival from skydiving accidents

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sphery:

(or, really, won't come out before the world ends...)

[05:05:22]

** iamlindoro raises his hand **

[05:05:29]

iamlindoro:

There we go, I get to be the expert then

[05:05:34]

wagnerrp:

a bit taller than you might see from a building

[05:05:42]

wombo1:

I head that JYP has started to back port some of the features to .21

[05:05:47]

wombo1:

head = heard

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, That has everything to do with the quality of what they fall on to

[05:06:11]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, And freak survivals happen all the time, all sort of factors

[05:06:25]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i heard one story (dont actually know if its true), where some guy punched through the tarmac on the airstrip

[05:06:33]

sphery:

yeah, you just have to jump right before you hit ;)

[05:06:41]

iamlindoro:

But yes, having been to not one but two such suicides, both were disemboweled, and one was multiple people-pieces

[05:06:43]

wagnerrp:

bent both of his knees forward, broke his nose, but was otherwise alright

[05:06:56]

wagnerrp:

cant argue with that, i suppose

[05:07:06]

sphery:

though if you fall asleep during the fall and dream about falling to your death, you'll die anyway...

[05:07:24]

iamlindoro:

but neither hit cars ;)

[05:07:50]

wagnerrp:

if youre going to suicide, you should at least have the decency to not suicide on someone else's property

[05:08:21]

Dave30AZ:

Side note, anybody know a good utility to create a drive image on ubuntu? :P

[05:08:27]

iamlindoro:

dd

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iamlindoro:

dd if=/dev/sda1 of=MyPornoDrive.img

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Dave30AZ:

I suppose that would work, at that.

[05:09:28]

Dave30AZ:

Joy of joys, low-level commands.

[05:09:47]

wagnerrp:

thats a lie!

[05:09:49]

iamlindoro:

Not sure dd qualifies as low level

[05:09:58]

wagnerrp:

hes tricking you

[05:10:02]

wagnerrp:

thats only a partition image

[05:10:08]

** iamlindoro sighs **

[05:10:19]

iamlindoro:

dd if=/dev/sda of=MyFilthyPornoCollection.img

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sphery:

I'm a fan of filesystem images--take less space and expand onto any size partition (with sufficient space, that is)

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sphery:

find + cpio (with appropriate consideration for files -size +2G)

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iamlindoro:

FMU has written another book

[05:13:16]

sphery:

to kormoc

[05:14:16]

iamlindoro:

With a resounding "Thanks, but I'll do it anyway, just wait for my patch"

[05:14:39]

wagnerrp:

interesting, i have a machine with a 3.85 load average, and 99.7% idle

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sphery:

would his complaint about the invalid scheduling data be appropriate for submission to SD (assuming he can actually come up with some actual examples)?

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sphery:

he was talking about missing a couple minutes after his 5 minute end late, now he's saying some are off by 30 minutes...

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sphery:

seems to me the problem isn't that we're ignoring runtime, it's that the listings data is just plain garbage...

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iamlindoro:

SD->TMS->Network, if the network provides bogus info, there's nothing to be done

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iamlindoro:

It's not like faulty data entry or something, The network isn't following the schedule they themselves pass on to TMS

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sphery:

then again, maybe he is using pre-SD myth and hacked up a bad approach for using SD with his antique system and he's screwing it up

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, if he has the tuners to do padding, then just do MOAR PADDING

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sphery:

Notice, also, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/379333#379333 , where he says, "I save the downloaded XML from SD for two weeks exactly so I can debug

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sphery:

failures

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iamlindoro:

So that would be the DD grabber, then?

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sphery:

which probably translates to, "Every day I download 14 days of data using a cron job rather than downloading +1 and +13 at the time the source requested I do my download"

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iamlindoro:

Wonder if we should look forward to a patch against .18 ;)

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sphery:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's using tv_grab_na_dd

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wagnerrp:

if hes not using the SD grabber for SD, why is this a mythtv issue?

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sphery:

he actually writes it for his system then "ports" it to more current (I think 0.21-fixes last time he did something) and basically just compile-tests it

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sphery:

after all, someone else can do the real testing

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iamlindoro:

suuuuuuper

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wagnerrp:

if theres a bug in what hes running, its not part of mythtv, so its not a mythtv bug

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wagnerrp:

if theres a bug in the data, theres still nothing we can do about it

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sphery:

the hard part is comiing up with the ideas, right, and if he codes it, too, that just leaves the "easy" parts of testing and maintenance

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, and using irrelevant data to correct the problems with the data makes no sense

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wagnerrp:

and the use of newline characters in the subject... just bothers me

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iamlindoro:

You can ask sphery to dig up the thread from '05 where Chutt tells him same

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wagnerrp:

'larry on the dell' seems to have the same problem

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/159078#159078 , last paragraph... thread is fun to read, too , especially first post on page 2 (from ijr)

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sphery:

but he's "gone out of his way" to modify his e-mail client to put those > in for us...

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sphery:

"My quoting is standard Emacs RMAIL quoting style"... Guess RMAIL got replaced with e-mail?

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sphery:

search for rmail on google and you get a ton of results for gmail...

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iamlindoro:

HA, didn't realize Anna Torv is Rupert Murdoch's stepdaughter

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iamlindoro:

erm, step-neice I guess

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sphery:

http://rmail.com/

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iamlindoro:

niece

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sphery:

Services for this domain have been discontinued

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kormoc:

rmail is just emac's email module

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sphery:

yeah, just seeing if it really has such a brain dead quoting mechanism: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html . . . s/Rmail.html

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kormoc:

As for if it's a SD issue or not, it's fair to report the invalid data, not fair to report the runtime as being wrong

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sphery:

don't worry, he won't say runtime is wrong--he's saying it's more right than the starttime + duration

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sphery:

(i.e. what becomes starttime/endtime in Myth)

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wagnerrp:

if your MTA automatically suppresses 'RE:'s, the mail admin should be slapped, repeatedly

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Dave30AZ:

Okay, just backed up my root partition (only 40 GB, not terrible)...

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Dave30AZ:

So, in theory, if I run the distribution upgrade...

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Dave30AZ:

Everything should just work, right? :P (obviously, difference between theory and practice, which is why one backs up)

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wagnerrp:

and i dont understand how EMACS ever grew to to EVERYTHING

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wagnerrp:

i mean the whole unix ideology is for one application to do one thing

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wagnerrp:

how did they shift so far from that

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Dave30AZ:

wagnerrp, there's a great story about how some IT folks managed to recover a system that somebody rm / -rf'ed by using an active emacs session. :P

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wagnerrp:

thats not a great story, thats sad

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wagnerrp:

your text editor should NOT be maintaining its own copy of your file system

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Dave30AZ:

Not quite what happened. :P

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wagnerrp:

when that occurs, its time to pack up and go home, because something very very wrong has happened

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Dave30AZ:

They had to recover from a backup.

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wagnerrp:

oh, and the fact that emacs had a shell interpreter, and all sorts of file tools, meant they could in the emacs loaded in memory

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Dave30AZ:

Something about using it to write a hex version of a cd command so they could actually run some programs that were in somewhere other than /bin

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Dave30AZ:

I don't recall the details.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: you'll be happy to know that there's another example of your suicide jump from a building onto a car

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iamlindoro:

sphery, heh

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Dave30AZ:

Side note, Sam Adams' Cream Stout ain't half bad.

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sphery:

btw, wagnerrp , saw him tonight... thanks for the pointer

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wagnerrp:

sphery: would that actually be called a suicide?

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kormoc:

if they died?

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sphery:

perhaps not...

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sphery:

special circumstances here...

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wagnerrp:

i mean thats like being around someone so emo, you just have to kill yourself

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kormoc:

You heard bout the guy with the piano wire death in NYC, right?

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sphery:

no...

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wagnerrp:

is this something about someone gluing their hands to their head, and then suicide by decapitation?

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sphery:

garrotted?

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kormoc:

Well, it's likely fake, but the story goes, some guy was upset about his boss taking his work and so when his boss was doing a press conference, he wrapped his neck and arms in the wire, tied it off, jumped and had body parts rain down on the guy

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sphery:

hmmm... strange spelling--it's actually "garroted"

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kormoc:

I honestly doubt it happened, but ya never know

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

that's gross

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kormoc:

I honest think my first reaction would be, ZOMBIES!?!?!??!!

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kormoc:

that kinda bugs me

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wagnerrp:

its like in halflife

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wagnerrp:

theres just random body parts falling out of vents in the ceiling

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wagnerrp:

gib generators

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kormoc:

Aye

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kormoc:

and I'm in a zombie mood, newest L4D stuff is out and is rather fun

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wagnerrp:

is it? i havent tried it yet

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wagnerrp:

i need to find a fourth player actually

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sphery:

wagnerrp: interesting that they all fell backwards when he fell forwards...

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, my steam name is kormoc, feel free to invite me in if you see me online :)

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wagnerrp:

we keep missing the witch avoidance, because the NPCs are retarded

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wagnerrp:

actually, we only have two

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wagnerrp:

but my friend is trying to rope another friend in

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kormoc:

Yeah... witch avoidance is hard

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wombo1:

what is L4D?

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wagnerrp:

left4dead

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kormoc:

http://steamcommunity.com/id/kormoc

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wombo1:

ahh

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kormoc:

Very fun, very simple FPS zombie style

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wagnerrp:

theres a couple others... tank solo is probably impossible with NPCs

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wagnerrp:

and the no medpacks is extremely hard

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wagnerrp:

you could possibly manage the tank and witch ones by kicking the bots, assuming you have rcon on the server

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wagnerrp:

ill have to look at the new server options though

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kormoc:

yeah, the heathkit one is impossible without help from others

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wagnerrp:

we always just play on a server i run locally

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kormoc:

as if a bot heals you, you're done

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kormoc:

I made it most of the way once until a bot decided to heal me

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** kormoc grumbles **

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you basically have to run around the later parts of the match with your health kit out

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wagnerrp:

the bots wont try to heal you if you have it out

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wagnerrp:

and they break off a heal if you pull it out

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kormoc:

ahh, good to know

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wagnerrp:

heh... speaking of my DS, it seems to have been on a restart loop all day

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wagnerrp:

for whatever reason, the linux HLDS guide said to turn auto-updates off

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wagnerrp:

so the server boots, detects its old, reboots to update...

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clever:

wagnerrp: why is healing so bad? :P

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wagnerrp:

its an achievement

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wagnerrp:

to survive the match (5 levels) without using a medkit

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clever:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

youre allowed to use pain pills, but the effect of those (and your health) slowly wears off

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, sphery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUaUQ2fF944

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iamlindoro:

and

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iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG6JIBSYwJw&feature=related

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wagnerrp:

sportscasters now speak in swedish?

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FR^2:

moin

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pbj:

Hey Guys. Running SVN version of MythTV – with extra themes. I'm running blootube-width as theme. Normally you'll edit the file /usr/share/myth/mainmenu.xml for editing the layout(add extra menues etc) but that doesn't seem to have an effect anymore – is there any changes some one can tell me about – or is it something else

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d00gle:

pbj: Not 100% sure but try looking in /usr/share/myth/themes/defaultmenu/mainmenu.cml

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d00gle:

sorry xml not cml

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pbj:

Well – surely looks like it – thanks – been looking for this

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FR^2:

Hmm.

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gom:

Hi all

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Dibblah:

Has anyone actually seen documentation of the power consumption of one of these ION platforms?

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schlazor:

Dibblah: buy me one and i'll tell you ;)

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm It's been a while since I paid attention to this, but can someone confirm for me if a gfx 8200 will handle the full range of VDPAU hardware decoding options?

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GreyFoxx:

I suppose that's likely in our wiki somewhere

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hashbang:

GreyFoxx: 8xxx and 9xxx are the ones that get VDPAU from the 186.06beta driver

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, but for some reason I was stuck bhack in the days when only some cards could do vc-1 and such, but now I remember they support it on all of them now

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GreyFoxx:

and this chipset is listed in the wiki .... hmmmm this might because a new FE for my mother in law

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GreyFoxx:

s/because/become

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iamlindoro:

Heh, so WB is doing a HD-DVD->Blu ray conversion program

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iamlindoro:

you send in the case insert, keeping the HD-DVD, they send you the new blu ray

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iamlindoro:

So in addition to being able to get perfect, rippable 1080p movies at 3 bucks a piece, you can pull out the coverart, send it in, and for four bucks shipping and handling, have the blu ray too ;)

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, okay... you win the speculative market for high def disks

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** iamlindoro got "The Last Starfighter" on HD-DVD the other day! *The Last Starfighter*! **

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iamlindoro:

(Plus Spartacus, Hot Fuzz, Shaun of the Dead, 2001, a couple Harry Potter movies, annnnnnd.... I dunno, one other)

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kormoc:

watch out for Xur and the Ko-Dan armada!

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iamlindoro:

Greetings, starfighter!

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gom:

Hey Lamlindoro I have another question about dvb/adapter0/frontend[01]

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gom:

I've read in the bug report you pointed that the patch would change the db schema

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iamlindoro:

gom: I'm sorry, I don't recall what your problem is?

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gom:

wouldn't that make things harder the day I'II uprade to 0.22 ?

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gom:

oh wait a bit

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gom:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5061

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iamlindoro:

gom: There's no schema change in that patch

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gom:

to store the frontend device name in the database, rather than just 0, 1 -> ??

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gom:

lemm fire up my phpmyadmin

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gom:

okay

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gom:

varchar(43) is a bit rough to store 0 or 1, better store the device name in that case ;-)

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iamlindoro:

a db schema change is something that changes the structure of the DB, nothing in that patch does

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gom:

so it does need to indeed

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iamlindoro:

Huh?

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iamlindoro:

There's no DB change, nor is one necessary

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gom:

but doesn't mythtv changes the db when needed (during version bump)

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gom:

I though the patch would need it,

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gom:

great

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iamlindoro:

gom: Myth only changes the DB when specifically told to do so in the dbcheck.cpp files

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gom:

K

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iamlindoro:

it doesn't just arbitrarily change the DB every time you change revisions

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gom:

sure

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gom:

but I though the patch would include changes to dbcheck.cpp since it change the behaviour from store device names instead of number

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gom:

err from storing 0/1 to storing names

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iamlindoro:

gom: I think you are misunderstanding things

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meshe:

but how data is stored doesn't change the db structure

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iamlindoro:

gom: You can change the information you store in a field all you like, if you don't change the type or structure of the field, the DB schema doesn't need to change

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gom:

sure

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gom:

I though the db schema would only allow to store numbers

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meshe:

<--- MySQL DBA

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gom:

this is not the case since it's a varchar

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meshe:

gom: what table and field are you referring to?

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gom:

table capturecard

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gom:

field videodevice

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iamlindoro:

This is wasting time

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gom:

meshe: qould you say capturecard.videodevice ?

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iamlindoro:

gom: If a patch doesn't include changes to a dbcheck.cpp file, there's no schema change

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gom:

right

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iamlindoro:

so canwe PLEASE stop explaining it over and over?

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gom:

sure

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** kormoc blinks **

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meshe:

it's a varchar(128) in trunk

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meshe:

same in 0.21-fixes

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meshe:

store any value you want in it up to 128 bytes

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iamlindoro:

Isn't Newbuntu day this week?

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rhpot1991:

tomorrow

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** kormoc weeps for humanity **

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rhpot1991:

:(

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meshe:

tommorow, tommorow, i'll upgrade tommorow, it's only a day away...

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iamlindoro:

Most of the silly folk have been trying to run it for months, hopefully it's the sensible folks that upgrade on the actual release

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meshe:

beta'

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meshe:

betas and rcs get installed in vms

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meshe:

gmail has totally screwed the meaning of beta

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iamlindoro:

I think that the Ubuntu Alpha/Beta visibility level thing is probably a two-edged sword... Obviously they see lots of bug reports because of the popularity, but I'm sure the SNR gets pretty awful at times during pre-release

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rhpot1991:

its pretty stable by this point, I started upgrading machines last night, gonna wait till the weekend to do anything myth related

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iamlindoro:

On my machines running Ubuntu I've tended to do the upgrade a few days before the release and then just do incremental package updates until/after since the interwebs become molasses on the release date

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meshe:

my work laptop is still running 7.10... i tend to upgrade when i get around to it

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meshe:

though this one is getting a 9.04 upgrade in the next couple of weeks

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Lt_Dan:

good day.

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_abbenormal:

hey Lt_Dan

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kormoc:

How goes the shrimping Lieutenant Dan?

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gbee:

heh, Fish & Chip man in this programme I recorded the other day IS Ricky Gervais (or David Brent), it's uncanny IMHO

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Lt_Dan:

Bubba's out on da boat.

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Lt_Dan:

making shrimp burga's

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meshe:

Bubba made it back, did he?

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Lt_Dan:

anyone here using an atom system (preferrably also with the 8400 PCI)

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Lt_Dan:

meshe--yeah, it was just a flesh wound :)

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meshe:

sorry, no atom hardware for me yet

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Lt_Dan:

i got one with the goal of putting a small carputer-able system together that can do hi-def (VDPAU)

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meshe:

if you're having a specific problem, it's easier to get help if you let us know what it is :)

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kormoc:

erm

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Lt_Dan:

it doesn't seem to like my 64-bit gentoo or ubuntu.. i'm guessing there might be something wrong with it.. just trying to confirm that linux x86_64 works on it

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Lt_Dan:

sorry.. someone came into my office here at work

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Lt_Dan:

thx :)

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kormoc:

Really, ant set that fits into a car really doesn't need to do hd, as you can't really fit a hd screen in a car...

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kormoc:

*any

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Lt_Dan:

i'm putting a 25" 1080p in my expedetion...

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Lt_Dan:

*expedition

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meshe:

i would suggest reading up on resolutions and screen size, 1080p doesn't make much sense until you go >= 40"

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Lt_Dan:

nah it doesn't really but my disney rips of my kids' movies already are, so..

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iamlindoro:

I don't think a 25 inch TV in an expedition is gaudy enough. You're going to need to try harder. Maybe some truck nutz?

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iamlindoro:

Or a giant confederate flag?

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iamlindoro:

Or maybe a bumper sticker like "f**k you, speak american!"

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Lt_Dan:

sure. good suggestions.

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meshe:

so question is, why 64bit?

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laga:

ot: what software would i need on linux to find out where to graphs of functions cross each other?

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Lt_Dan:

no reason regarding the atom direcly.. i built the gentoo on my home computer and transferred the harddrive over. i probably messed up the cflags

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kormoc:

The atom doesn't support the same cpu flags as a p4+, so that's likely the issue right there

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Lt_Dan:

that's what i suspected.

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Lt_Dan:

thanks

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Lt_Dan:

now to go buy some truck nutz......... :)

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iamlindoro:

YeeeeeeeeeeeeHAW!

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iamlindoro:

And spinners on the wheels, going to need spinners on the wheels for sure

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Lt_Dan:

the confederate flag would get me tossed out of the family reunion though...

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Lt_Dan:

i look more like bubba than lt-dan ;) (except i'm not shot)

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iamlindoro:

And when you run into someone who doesn't speak english, make sure to speak louder so that they can understand you

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iamlindoro:

;)

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Lt_Dan:

LOL

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Lt_Dan:

i liked that bit

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Lt_Dan:

"speak american" :)

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kormoc:

Have you heard the 'How to drive the English crazy? Pretend to not know of their country" bit?

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iamlindoro:

Lt_Dan wins points for being able to take a joke :)

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meshe:

yes, definately a good sport :)

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Nockian:

is there an issue with lirc 0.8.4 and serial IR receivers? i have the exact same hardware and config files on two different machines, and it works on the machine with 0.8.3 but not on the machine with 0.8.4

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Lt_Dan:

once i get to know you fellas better, i might be able to give a little, too :)

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Lt_Dan:

or ladies.. not meaning to insult

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** meshe smiles **

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gbee:

good job you added that ;)

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Lt_Dan:

*whew*

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meshe:

which reminds me, i should get my husband to rip that movie to myth for me, I wouldn't mind watching it soon

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meshe:

or maybe iphone...

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plb_:

hrm anyone have pvrusb2? wondering if lirc is working properly or the batteries in my remote are dead lol..should the ir light on the remote light up when you press a button?

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meshe:

plb_: point a digital camera at it and press a button

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JEDIDIAH__:

functions? graphs? Sounds like maple or mathetmatica.

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meshe:

plb_: camera phones work too

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plb_:

meshe: what do you mean?

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meshe:

point your remote at a digial camera/camera phone and watch the preview image, press a button and you'll see the ir light if the remote is working

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plb_:

ah ok

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plb_:

guess my batteries are working and lirc is screwed lol

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plb_:

argh

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meshe:

i use my iphone for it, but my husbands new 3d shutterglassed work even better for testing remotes ;)

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plb_:

hm

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plb_:

wonder what's wrong with my lirc setup

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** iamlindoro grumbles about Lost "Catch up" episodes **

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plb_:

does pvrusb2 use lirc_mceusb2 module?

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plb_:

i followed mythtv wiki but doesn't seem to be working for me

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meshe:

irw

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plb_:

did that

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plb_:

i press buttons but nothin happens

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wagnerrp:

shutterglasses to test a remote?

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meshe:

wagnerrp: yeah, the shuttering is controlled by IR ;)

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wagnerrp:

so you point IR, and the glasses just go nuts?

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meshe:

if i get some random curse word from my husbands direction, i know my remote works

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meshe:

plb_: check /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog dmesg

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meshe:

try running lircd from the command prompt

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plb_:

I did and then I run irw

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plb_:

log says lirc_i2c: chip 0x10005 found @ 0x1

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plb_:

8 (Hauppauge IR)

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plb_:

lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, major 61

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wagnerrp:

seems the last recording dump put me down to ~170GB

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wagnerrp:

oh wow... trac really got hit hard this morning

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iamlindoro:

On the plus side, I can finally get that "lady cialis" I've ben on the lookout for

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gbee:

you should have said, I could have hooked you up

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iamlindoro:

heh

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Dibblah:

This must be some .ru group doing this recently. I see it in a couple of places now.

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wagnerrp:

issuing spam on development trackers?

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wagnerrp:

personally, that seems dangerous

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Dibblah:

Not just trac – forums too.

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wagnerrp:

seems likely by spamming places frequented by developers, they may piss off someone with powers well beyond the average script kiddie

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gbee:

IP is German, Cent OS too

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gbee:

but it appears that the box is compromised, ports open all over the place

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wagnerrp:

my point exactly, you spam the average forum, whats the chances someone on there even knows what nmap is...

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blackest:

it's automated russian mafia they spam everywhere with links so google crawls them and raises the page rank of the pages then they hit the victims

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Dibblah:

Yes, I now the theory.

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Dibblah:

know.

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plb_:

ahhh finally

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wagnerrp:

i just lost a fan in my desktop

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plb_:

damn remote is workin

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blackest:

it's still a pain in the ...

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blackest:

I emailed one website it was amazing he had pages that went on forever with spam links

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clever:

blackest: and it doesnt take much for the mailing list to tell google to ignore all links for the ranking

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clever:

just a <meta> tag and

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clever:

it will know the links arent 'good'

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blackest:

only if someone knows what to do about it

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blackest:

I accidentally visited one site ranked about 4 on google and i checked links to it 86,000

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blackest:

that site was less than 4 weeks old

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blackest:

interesting mix of pages seemed to correspond with google trends from about 2 months previous

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blackest:

yes I was that bored

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** iamlindoro decides to find out how long it takes to compile myth on an n810 **

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meshe:

heh

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meshe:

might want to keep it plugged in

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iamlindoro:

Indeed ;)

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** janneg suggests a crosscompiler **

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iamlindoro:

janneg: It's just to screw around, no time at work to set up the dev environment for it but *do* have the extra unit sitting there with SSH access

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I've yet to try that for my n810 :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Heh... Got a big batch of them in to use as the controllers for a device we're building, so I figured I'd start a build and check in on it in a day or two or five

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iamlindoro:

There *is* a system here with the SDK/cross compiler/etc. set up, but it's not mine and I'm only playing out of curiosity

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gbee:

any good source for cd covers?

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iamlindoro:

cdcovers.cc

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iamlindoro:

Which is also likely the source for the DVD covers that justinh was wondering about which the one XBMC theme "wrapped" into 3D DVDs

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at0m|c:

search for "OK computer" returns me "FC De Kampioenen" there, local football club soap :?

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at0m|c:

or is it just video releases there?

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gbee:

iamlindoro: ok thanks, tried there but the quality was poor, might just have to scan them myself

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** at0m|c uses discogs for his audio CD's, imdb for video **

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Working on MythMusic again, or just messing with metadata?

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gbee:

just noticed I was missing some covers :)

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iamlindoro:

Someday I'll need to go and get all my covers for my music-- will likely coincide with when MythMusic is MythUI'd and it actually starts to matter to me

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gbee:

think I'm spoilt with the 600x600 high quality covers that emusic offer for all their albums, finding decent images is hard and most seem to top out at ~300x300

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gbee:

don't think cdcovers is really going to be a good source for automatic downloads like tmdb/tvdb :) We could use one

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iamlindoro:

Travis has registered TheMusicDB IIRC

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iamlindoro:

But probably will take making TMDB a big success (and paying for itself) to get to that

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** kormoc registers thebookdb, thecddb, theflyerdb, theaddb, and themagdb **

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** iamlindoro registers thedbdb to catalog all of kormoc's sites **

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kormoc:

oh noes!

[19:50:08]

iamlindoro:

We'll have an api and everything

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iamlindoro:

and ponies

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_abbenormal:

lol

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wagnerrp:

with the site be pink?

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kormoc:

pink with rainbows!

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wagnerrp:

OMG!

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iamlindoro:

http://forums.thetvdb.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=944

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wagnerrp:

i saw a vending machine today with ipods, cameras, and PSPs

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iamlindoro:

So TheTVDB is trying to do everything right, make sure they comply with copyrights on descriptions and all that

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iamlindoro:

which is awesome-- but it's funny to see a couple little total freakouts about those announcements

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, they have them out here at Macy's department stores...

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: amazingly, thats where i was

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Boston? ;-)

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wagnerrp:

cincinnati

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wagnerrp:

im just baffled by that concept

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wagnerrp:

you have vending machines, because you want something right now

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: The prices are basically full retail though...

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iamlindoro:

Think that idea was mostly pioneered by the japanese

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wagnerrp:

i suppose you *can* use a camera right now, assuming the battery is charged

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wagnerrp:

but youre not going to get far on the internal storage

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iamlindoro:

who have had vending machines for expensive electronics for a long time, and with theirs you can just wave your cell phone in front, too

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wagnerrp:

i didnt see any memorysticks for sale in there

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wagnerrp:

ipods, you have to go home to get your music

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iamlindoro:

http://otakuinternational.com/2008/09/top-ten . . . ng-machines/

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wagnerrp:

and PSPs, you have to go to a store to buy the games, one where you can buy the unit anyway

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J-e-f-f-A:

The only time I go through Macys is to get from the parking garage to our Hosted datacenter... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

thats the one that really bothered me

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Downtown crossing?

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: yep. ;-)

[19:55:34]

iamlindoro:

Downtown crossing is filthy, never liked it there

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jams:

maybe its less out "right now" and more about I don't want to talk to anybody to have the fetch the device from behind the locked doors.

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iamlindoro:

Though I think I ate at that one Noah's Bagels on the common about a million times

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wagnerrp:

umbrellas, flowers, alcohol, food, condoms, lingerie, porn... all of these things i can understand having in vending machines

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: It's not bad – our datacenter has been there for a little over a year, and it's been cleaned up alot.

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iamlindoro:

And there used to be a huge HMV there that I think closed since

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I think the electronics ones are pretty pedestrian over there

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: HMV?

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wagnerrp:

fresh eggs, flight insurance, and live seafood? im not so sure about...

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iamlindoro:

The lingerie ones are pre-worn and purchased primarily by men, though

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iamlindoro:

so that's a twist

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter, vending machines should be something you dont have to go home to use

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wagnerrp:

or go to another store to buy something to be able to use it

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Records/Media store? There used to be another huge one in Cambridge

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Ladies pre-worn lingerie is something you don't have to go home to use?

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wagnerrp:

about as much as condoms... there are always public restrooms

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: They went out of business sometime after the big Virgin Media went in on MAss Ave (Which then went out of business itself)

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wagnerrp:

hotel rooms

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Ah. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

i didnt realize TTDB had been getting takedown notices

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wagnerrp:

but i dont understand how anything on there can quality under the DMCA

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wagnerrp:

your eyes and hands dont count as a mechanism for bypassing decryption

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: They haven't been

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iamlindoro:

But to comply with everything and to limit their liability they have to make it possible to submit one

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wagnerrp:

oh, its just putting links on the page to claim its illegal content

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iamlindoro:

So the users will have to agree to ToS that say they won't upload anything copyrighted, and all the existing descriptions are going to be marked "tainted," which people can then go in and reword so they can be marked "clean" again

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iamlindoro:

yeah, exactly

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, it's a good thing insofar as closer integration with Myth is concerned

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wagnerrp:

ill never complain about a large site like that trying to cover their ass

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iamlindoro:

I always marvel that people in japan aren't more depressed given the variety of mind-numbingly demeaning jobs

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wagnerrp:

just a necessity of existence

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wagnerrp:

well they rest assured that in the future, they will be replaced by robots in those demeaning jobs

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iamlindoro:

Heh, they love their robots over there

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iamlindoro:

Although the last time I was there, the TurboGrafx was super-rad

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wagnerrp:

they have no choice but to love their robots

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iamlindoro:

(or rather, the PC Engine)

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wagnerrp:

their population is getting old, and theyre too xenophobic to bring in foreigners for patient care

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gom:

Hey iamlindoro thx for pointing out this patch, it works nicely :-)

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iamlindoro:

gom: no problem

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iamlindoro:

Wonder how ScummVM games in MythGame would play with the Wii controller as the pointer

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snakedog:

hi my mythweb doesn't want to record when i tell it too, the status wont update, does anyone know how to fix this?

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meshe:

check your apache error logs and mythbackend logs

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snakedog:

ok

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snakedog:

nothing of intrest there

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meshe:

logs are pretty boring aren't they?

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snakedog:

well they are more boring to look at then the tvshows and movies mythtv should have recorded ;)

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kormoc:

are you sure you're giving enough time for the scheduler to run before assuming it's not taking affect?

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gbee:

snakedog: do you get what you'd expect from http://backendip:6544 ?

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snakedog:

yes i am, and no they don't show up there either

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snakedog:

i tried to add a recording from the frontend and it didn't work either :(

[21:02:42]

gbee:

scheduling hasn't been disabled with --nosched?

[21:03:14]

gbee:

restart the backend anyway

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kormoc:

hit the database settings in mythweb and run a check

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snakedog:

wow.. i did a restart and it added all the recordings at ones

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gbee:

sounds like the scheduler was disabled, or a very rare (unheard of) scheduler deadlock

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snakedog:

now it doesnt work anymore agian

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snakedog:

maybe its the rare deadlock

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gbee:

run the db repair script, something ain't right and I honestly doubt you've hit a bug that no-one else has ever reported, the scheduler just doesn't get changed that much

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iamlindoro:

http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?option . . . p;Itemid=231

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snakedog:

okay i think i got it working, did the repair script, system update, and cleaned recording table

[21:13:13]

iamlindoro:

Must. Get. Best looking screenshots onto MythTV web sites so that people stop using that one

[21:13:30]

gbee:

fwiw, running "mythbackend --resched", even when the backend is already running will force a reschedule

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snakedog:

okay thx for the help, i keep the resched in mind if it comes back :)

[21:15:04]

meshe:

"The interface may not be as stylish as some of the comparable Windows applications, but there's few (if any) that can match it from a feature-to-feature comparison"

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iamlindoro:

The screenshots on mythtv.org need to be purged, they're horrible, and it's non-obvious that they're screenshots anyway

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iamlindoro:

Also *all* 4:3... ugh

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gbee:

iamlindoro: grab a bunch of screenshots, give them to xris and I'm sure he'd be happy to swap them

[21:21:24]

iamlindoro:

gbee: I guess the question is whether trunk themes would be acceptable or should wait for .22

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xris:

iamlindoro: I asked for screenshots but no one gave me new ones.. I'd *love* to get new ones

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xris:

trunk themes are fine

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iamlindoro:

xris: And third party (read: mine)? The pictures would likely all be Terra and Graphite

[21:23:29]

iamlindoro:

Actually, probably already tons of usable between the Terra wiki page and my smugmug

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xris:

would be nice to get a few with the default theme, but a variety is good

[21:23:50]

** xris would still like to get third party themes into the mythtv svn tree **

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iamlindoro:

http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/7063231_gGk9H and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra

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iamlindoro:

Even if you didn't use pics from mine (and I wouldn't blame you), Terra is so much more flattering

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xris:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

and need some 16:9 Video playback showing editing and OWD with Blootube-osd and metallurgy, maybe

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xris:

that looks hot

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** xris wants a 4:3 version **

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iamlindoro:

er OSD

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jams:

anybody know if the telnet interface will print out the current button/location in SVN ?

[21:25:46]

xris:

iamlindoro: just send me an email with URLs to the images that you want to use, and which ones on mythtv.org they should replace

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** kormoc waits for iamlindoro's face to appear as the new mythtv logo **

[21:26:09]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: heh

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iamlindoro:

xris: Sure, think I have the night to myself, maybe I'll try to find like-for-like replacements

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** dustybin would rather a richard stallman mythtv logo **

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xris:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Given how many of us think he's a tool, that seems unlikely

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gbee:

jams: err, it's temporarily broken for most screens in trunk

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gbee:

don't tell Captain_Murdoch

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jams:

hehe ok

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: trout me if you answered this already, but do you still have designs on MythUI'ing MythGame?

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jams:

was waiting on that feature before updating the program to walk myth taking screenshots

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gbee:

I'll fix it soon, there just always seems to be something that's more important

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jams:

sure sure

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iamlindoro:

So NBC is murdering Kings

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iamlindoro:

Moved it to a new timeslot after four episodes, left it there for *one* episode, which got rescheduled to the next week, now pulled it and bringing it back in June

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meshe:

isn't that treason?

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iamlindoro:

Regicide

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** iamlindoro is suddenly glad he doesn't have any DQ35 motherboards **

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laga:

hum?

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iamlindoro:

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/22/1815226

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iamlindoro:

That said, upon further reading you need root access to begin with to exploit it, so ho hum

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iamlindoro:

Rootkit installable with root access, film at 11 ;)

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iamlindoro:

Some potential scary implications on virtualized boxes, though

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at0m|c:

iamlindoro: still, let it be a warn for "ALL=NOPASSWD" in sudoers file eh

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jams:

call me crazy, but when a product is advertised as silent I expect very little noise not a bunch of loud fans with a annoying high pitched whine.

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meshe:

you're crazy

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sphery:

maybe it's only silent to older people who have lost a great deal more high-frequency hearing

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blackest_knight:

anyone know much about old mainboards

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Josh_Borke:

what is an old mainboard? is that like pre motherboards?

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Josh_Borke:

or just another term for an old motherboard?

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blackest_knight:

you know i was on about blowin up me mythbox and reverting to an older system I think the dead one has a 2000+ sempron in it while this one has a xp1600 in it do you think i could swap the cpu's

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meshe:

check the manual for the old mobo to see what it supports, and check for bios updates

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blackest_knight:

the cpu might be ok i just fried the usb bus

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Josh_Borke:

you should be able to look up the motherboards (the model is on the motherboard somewhere) and find out if they have the same socket

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blackest_knight:

I'm thinking they have

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meshe:

at least with intel, same socket != comatible

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meshe:

LGA775 has been used for many generations

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Josh_Borke:

meshe: true, but same socket = maybe compatible whereas different socket = no way compatible

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blackest_knight:

not sure if the fsb is as fast i think the sempron might have had 333 frontside bus compared to 266 for the 1600s board its an overclockers board so theres room to play i think

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blackest_knight:

i think they are both socket A

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meshe:

Josh_Borke: true

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Josh_Borke:

blackest_knight: basically look at the old motherboard manual and see if it supports the sempron

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meshe:

so far all of my mobos are LGA775 and there's only one processor that can go in every machine

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Josh_Borke:

exactly as meshe said

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blackest_knight:

its an old k7s5a and it got better as it got older the bios updates gave it a bit more flexability

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darkfrog:

hey guys....I'm building a new myth frontend box and was wondering if anyone has recommendations for a good remote?

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darkfrog:

I've had a lot of problems with my ATI RemoteWonder II remote and don't like managing LIRC if possible and would prefer an RF remote. :)

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blackest_knight:

http://k7s5amotherboardforum.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/888 this looks intresting it'd be nice if i could get the old thing running a bit faster

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blackest_knight:

ok anyne recommend a cheapish cpu that'll get ffmpeg encoding at 25 fps or better

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sphery:

blackest_knight: Was it a Sempron 2000-series (dual-core from 2008 timeframe--mainly sold in China) or was it really a Sempron 2000+ (probably 2200+ as that's the slowest one)? If the Sempron 2200+ (single-core, 1500MHz/256KiB L2), the performance difference between that and the Athlon XP 1600+ (1400MHz/265KiB L2) probably isn't worth the time required to swap CPU's. Sure the FSB is a bit faster, but it's not much of a ...

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sphery:

... difference.

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blackest_knight:

older i think must have built it 2006–7 i think

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sphery:

IMHO, your best bet is to buy a new CPU (Athlon X2 5200+ 45W TDP or something) and the new mobo/RAM you'll need to make it work.

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iamlindoro:

Heh, "or something"

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** iamlindoro notices that sphery is very fond of that processor **

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sphery:

I tried to reuse an old Athlon XP system and ended up spending more money replacing parts on it than I would have spent to get a nice low-power athlon X2 system...

[22:59:28]

sphery:

mainly fond of the low-TDP :)

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blackest_knight:

so how is the encoding speed on it

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sphery:

A low-TDP Intel Core 2 (Duo/Quad) would also be good, but since he's got AMD, I figured he might want to stick with AMD.

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iamlindoro:

FPS is a useless metric for encode

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iamlindoro:

Show me the world's biggest iron and I'll write you a command line to choke it

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meshe:

perl -e 'while (fork)'

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blackest_knight:

lol well i'm not biased against intel really amd always used to give the biggest bang for the buck

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sphery:

but, needless to say, it would be a major step up from the Athlon XP 1600+

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sphery:

and would likely make all your transcodes significantly less costly (yes, transcoding costs money by pegging the CPU for long periods of time)

[23:02:38]

blackest_knight:

http://www.internetreadypcs.co.uk/product/AMD . . . il_8434.html

[23:02:46]

blackest_knight:

how about that one

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blackest_knight:

£52 and about the same price as the 5200

[23:03:59]

meshe:

sphery: what do you pay per KW?

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iamlindoro:

fitty cent!

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sphery:

I was thinking something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103672 ($39.99) or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103255 ($55.99)--both 45W TDP. The 7750 is a 95W processor...

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sphery:

meshe: it's actually cheap, but I'm loving saving money on electricity passively.

[23:06:09]

sphery:

I think it's $0.105/kWh for the first 1000, then $0.12 after that

[23:06:09]

meshe:

iamlindoro: yeah, someone at work said he was going to a fifty cent concert, I said: Wow, that's a cheap concert

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meshe:

what do your computers cost you total per month?

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** iamlindoro refrains from spouting his opinion on Fitty **

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meshe:

iamlindoro: amusingly, i had no idea who he was when i made that statement

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iamlindoro:

A POS ex crack dealer who likes to beat up women

[23:08:07]

iamlindoro:

oh damn it, there I went

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Josh_Borke:

who's been shot!

[23:08:26]

Josh_Borke:

don't forget that detail

[23:08:35]

meshe:

my opinion is: another member of that music genre that people keep mispronouncing

[23:08:52]

meshe:

they keep thinking that the C is silent

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blackest_knight:

is a good point I want a fairly fast system not a space heater

[23:09:21]

meshe:

er isn't silent

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meshe:

er

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** meshe shuts up **

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iamlindoro:

Fitty Ent? Tolkein? ;)

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sphery:

meshe: I haven't yet replaced all of my old systems, but my myth backends (Athlon XP 2400+ and 2000+) cost about $10.50/mo each (down from $12 each since I switched PSU's). My other systems (without all the HDD's/cards) are about $5.10 each (2) and I'm guessing around $8 each for the ones connected to monitors (which sucks a lot of energy, but actual amount depends on usage).

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meshe:

no, the genre, it's Crap not rap

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iamlindoro:

Like Some Rap, love more R&B, but hate fitty

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meshe:

yeah, i hand picked the music thats on my iphone and it ranges from 50's rock and roll to country, R&B and some rap

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wagnerrp:

meshe: for my backend, file server, firewall, secondary frontend, three desktops, two laptops, and an assortment of monitors... somewhere around $45

[23:12:37]

meshe:

my power bill seemed to go up by $5 every time i put in a new system

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sphery:

blackest_knight: BTW, that Athlon X2 5200+ is actually a 65W one--which isn't bad.

[23:12:51]

sphery:

(the one at the site you linked)

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blackest_knight:

they used to be local to me, but ten i moved to ireland

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meshe:

when i was running 6 machines fulltime it was about $30 for the computers

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meshe:

$30-$60 for everything else including heat

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sphery:

blackest_knight: the 4400+ and the 5200+ are 65W, the 5400+ and the 6000+ are 89W, and the 7750 is 95W

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sphery:

but if power usage isn't important to you, the 7750 is a nice processor

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iamlindoro:

Interestingly, 95W is the power draw of the ISA bus on clever's nicest computer

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meshe:

i now have a total of 30A to my whole household, so power is a very important factor as that 30A is used by the heaters as well as computers

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blackest_knight:

no actually i'm tight low power is good

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sphery:

I'm guessing your power over the pond is also relatively expensive, so it will likely pay off to choose a nice 65W or 45W processor

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blackest_knight:

http://www.internetreadypcs.co.uk/product/ASR . . . rd_7681.html hows that for a main board

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iamlindoro:

They're 100% Hops and grain alcohol powered

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blackest_knight:

lol well actually i live with poles its an aweful lot of vodka

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Josh_Borke:

mythweb is terribly slow when you have lots of recordings (352)

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Josh_Borke:

and it's mostly on the downloading of previews. anyway to get the info without previews?

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blackest_knight:

:) got some of that in the bar www.phelansguesthouse.com heres where i live

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iamlindoro:

Got some downstairs, been sitting on the booze rack since 2005 or so

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blackest_knight:

best with apple juice i think

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

(so I'm told)

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blackest_knight:

well straight and chased down with the apple juice its an interesting combination of flavours

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blackest_knight:

what ever happened to pci slots

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blackest_knight:

these boards seem to have 2 or 3 at the most

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iamlindoro:

There are enough nice supported linux PCIe tuners that it's no longer as bad a thing as it was even a year ago

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meshe:

gd sudo

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iamlindoro:

sudo gd sudo

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meshe:

think that will make it actually happen?

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iamlindoro:

It *is* sort of the ultimate root command

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meshe:

sudo make me a sandwich

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iamlindoro:

sudo smite clever

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meshe:

sudo su -

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iamlindoro:

sudo plagueOfLocusts.pl --source=OnHigh --dest=wherever

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xris:

Josh_Borke: narrow down to a specific show instead of using "all" ?

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blackest_knight:

got to love the descriptions of the boards this board looks useful 4 pci slos and others GA-M52L-S3 – GIGABYTE Technology latest S series motherboards for AMD socket AM2 platform, featuring with two innovative features- Safe and Smart Technologies. The new S series motherboards GA-M52LS3; supporting AMD new generation AM2 processor with dual channel DDR2 800MHz

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blackest_knight:

or this at 3x the price with 2 pci CROSSHAIR II FORMULA – 90-MIB3V0-G0EAY00Z – The Republic of Gamers consists only the best of the best. We offer the best hardware engineering, the fastest performance, the most innovating ideas, and we welcome the best gamers to join in. In the Republic of Gamers, mercy rules are only for the weak, and bragging rights means everything. We believe in making statements and we exc

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blackest_knight:

have you ever read such utter....

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meshe:

you just took up all of my chat window with that

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meshe:

Gigabyte has really nice hardware

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iamlindoro:

Heh, species naming is funny sometimes

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iamlindoro:

The American Bison is "Bison Bison"

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iamlindoro:

The American *plains* Bison is "Bison Bison Bison"

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blackest_knight:

looks like i'm going to build pcworld has some very uninspiring systems

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blackest_knight:

whats the european bison ?

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iamlindoro:

"Bison bonasus"

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