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JonXP:

I can't seem to get "Probe" to do anything with the frontend channel editor

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JonXP:

I know the XMLTV IDs, and fill them in, and they are part of the lineup for that input, but it does not fill in the rest of the information.

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iamlindoro:

adding the xmltvIDs won't do anything until you run mythfilldatabase

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iamlindoro:

likely you will also want --refresh-all --refresh-today

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clever:

reisfer+LVM is wicked:D

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clever:

i can grow my rootfs without ever shuting down!

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JonXP:

iamlindoro: And then probe will work, or the channel information will be filled in?

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iamlindoro:

The latter

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JonXP:

Because it only filled the listings, not the channel information

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JonXP:

I mean, I can fill it all manually, I was just hoping for a better way. :D

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iamlindoro:

It's not going to, you'll have to do that manually if we're talking about QAM

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JonXP:

I thought probe was supposed to do that

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JonXP:

Yeah, it's QAM

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iamlindoro:

Where did you read that probe did that?

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JonXP:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Channel_Editor

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JonXP:

"If you fill in one field and then hit the [P]robe button, it will fill in the other fields if one field is complete. "

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iamlindoro:

JonXP, As far as I can tell, that appears to mean actually probing the stream for PSIP data, so it you have channels without it (and you probably do) then you're going to get nothing

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k-man:

im having this problem with lirc where all my keypresses are registered twice, however the delay and repeat options in lircrc don't seem to affect it at all

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JonXP:

Ahh, I was *hoping* it meant it would try to do a lookup using channels from the listings service...but I guess that's expecting a lot.

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JonXP:

Maybe I'll hack that in, could be very useful.

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iamlindoro:

JonXP, Would be nice :)

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iamlindoro:

best place to add that in (IMO) would be in mythfilldatabase so that you needn't enter the frontend channel editor to use it

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iamlindoro:

As I (and many others) edit my XMLtvids from Mythweb

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JonXP:

I'm not sure, because then it would overwrite any corrections that may exist

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iamlindoro:

JonXP, Not if you only do it as a command line option

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JonXP:

Indeed

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iamlindoro:

--update-channel-names

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JonXP:

Heck, maybe the option exists

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iamlindoro:

--do-channel-updates may do the job, I so infrequently use it though

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JonXP:

Yeah, I'm not using Mythweb because I need to watch the channels to figure out what it is

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iamlindoro:

I may never actually have)

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meshe:

--do-channel-updates does update your channel names from the listing source

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JonXP:

Oh awesome

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meshe:

mine always come up with "Unknown"

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meshe:

run that and it fixes em

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JonXP:

Easy way here I come

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JonXP:

Awesome, worked like a charm. Using "mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --only-update-channels" got it done in a second.

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JonXP:

Thanks

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wilberfan:

is there a way to 'force' the frontend to resize the theme icons n' such?

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wilberfan:

it looks like they're displaying at 800x600, but the TV is running 1024x768.

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wilberfan:

everything is flopping off the right and bottom edges

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wagnerrp:

since this is a 4:3 tv, i assume this is standard definition

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wagnerrp:

?

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wagnerrp:

is your tv standard definition?

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wilberfan:

wagnerrp, yessir

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wilberfan:

NTSC

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wilberfan:

4:3

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wagnerrp:

so your X server is running at 1024x768, but youre actually displaying at something closer to 600x480

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what the horizontal resolution of NTSC ends up being

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wagnerrp:

anyway, on a NTSC set, there is no reason to run anything better than 640x480

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wilberfan:

infobash seems to confirm the 1024x768, yes... can't tell if it's 800x or 600x

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clever:

ive ran my nvidia at 640x480 before, it looked horid

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J-e-f-f-A:

Probably about 520x480 realistically.... Although S-Video might approach 640 ...

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wagnerrp:

since your video card is going to scale it down to somewhere around there internally before video output, even if your X-server is running at 1024x867

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clever:

things work better at 1024x768 with the card scalling it in 5 directions at once

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wagnerrp:

768

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Yeah, but that was the highest resolution your video card supported, right?? ;-)

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: default res

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wilberfan:

i'm trying to duplicate a working mythbuntu (intrepid) under Sidux. Everything is coming along, except the theme display on the TV is too big...

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clever:

at 640x480 the aspect for every dialog is thrown way off

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: thats usually the maximum supported res for the analog outputs

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wilberfan:

(quality is fine)

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wagnerrp:

anyway, your other problem is overscan

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wagnerrp:

every analog set, and most digital sets, are going to overscan

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wagnerrp:

while monitors do not overscan

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wilberfan:

both mythbuntu and sidux are using the same hardware (video card and TV)

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clever:

you have to addjust the overscan in software

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wagnerrp:

depending on your card, you may be able to futz around with the driver to tweek the overscan

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wagnerrp:

but more than likely, you have to go into the frontend settings, and the 'screen setup wizard'

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wagnerrp:

tell mythtv where the corners of your screen are, and it will automatically scale everything accordingly

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J-e-f-f-A:

wilberfan: For what it's worth, I run an 800x600 X resolution on the one box in my house that outputs S-Video, and it looks pretty good in Myth.

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wilberfan:

ah...okay...good idea... what is going on when the frontend starts up and we see "Scaling Theme Icons"...?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has to prescale the theme

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wagnerrp:

if you change the resolution, you have to rescale all those images

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J-e-f-f-A:

wilberfan: It's doing just that — scaling all the graphics to the proper size for your screen resolution.

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wagnerrp:

after the first time, theyre stored in the cache, and do not need to be regenerated

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wilberfan:

what's it using for reference? i have a dual monitor setup here and when i start the frontend on the 1280x1024 LCD everything resizes fine...

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wilberfan:

but when i start it on the 1024x768 TV, they're not resizing to that rez

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wagnerrp:

wilberfan: thats because your SXGA LCD is a MONITOR and does not have overscan

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wagnerrp:

mythtv IS resizing to 1024x768, but your tv is only displaying maybe 950x700 of that, due to overscan

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wagnerrp:

you need to fix the overscan

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wagnerrp:

either in the driver, or in the frontend settings

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wilberfan:

in the screen setup wizard....

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wilberfan:

I hope I can see that part of the wizard on my TV! ;)

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wagnerrp:

when you first enter it, the cursor will be in the top left corner

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wilberfan:

right...

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wagnerrp:

hit down and right until you see the cursor

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wagnerrp:

and repeat for the opposite corner

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wilberfan:

i'll try it..... brb

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wagnerrp:

that will store the scaling and offset internally in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

if you want to continue using the frontend on both monitors

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wilberfan:

it's in the other room...i'll have to drag the mouse and keyboard in there!

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wagnerrp:

when you subsequently start mythtv on your LCD, you will want to define the resolution to run at

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wagnerrp:

or else its going to use the same size and offset settings

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Ah, I was going to say maybe he had to start it with explicit "--geometry 1024x768+x+y" to get it to scale properly on a multi-monitor display...

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wagnerrp:

when was 0.20.2? mid 2007?

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** J-e-f-f-A can't remember last week, never-mind 2007! ;-) **

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wilberfan:

i'm confused: when i start the screen wizard, i can see the arrow in the upper-left corner...it's fine.

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wilberfan:

when I press 'select' the arrow goes....somewhere else....and no amount of up or left makes it reappear...

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wilberfan:

and the wizard is saying, "1280x1024" (which is the LCD rez)

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wilberfan:

Host/Kernel/OS "dell-sidux" running Linux 2.6.29–1.slh.3-sidux-686 i686 [ sidux 2009–01 ÎŸÏ…ÏÎ±Î½ÏŒ&I uml;‚ – xfce – (200902151314) ]

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wilberfan:

CPU Info Intel Pentium 4 256 KB cache flags( sse2 ) clocked at [ 1794.682 MHz ]

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wilberfan:

Videocard nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] X.Org 1.6.0 [ 1280x1024@50.0hz ]

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wilberfan:

Network cards ADMtek NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100, at port: ec00

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wilberfan:

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wagnerrp:

agh!

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wilberfan:

ooops...that's the lcd info

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wagnerrp:

what is that for??

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wilberfan:

trying to confirm the rez of the tv...

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wagnerrp:

hit 'm', and switch to coarse movement

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wagnerrp:

it will move around a lot faster

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wagnerrp:

the cursor is somewhere, you just have to move around until you find it

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wilberfan:

but it stops moving before it's come back into view...like it's reached a limit...

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wilberfan:

nope. it will only go to 1120x938 even with coarse... and the arrow is not visible...

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android60:

can you install mythtv on openfiler? i think its based on rpath

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J-e-f-f-A:

wilberfan: Sounds like you'll have to start mythfrontend with the resolution and offset specified — ie: "mythfrontend --geometry 1024x768+1280+0" (assuming the TV is logically to the 'right' of your LCD"

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wilberfan:

(it's too the left, actually)

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wilberfan:

*to*

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wilberfan:

i'm wondering if this is related to the fact that the TV monitor wasn't working when i installed mythtv....

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J-e-f-f-A:

wilberfan: So, try "--geometry 1024x768" – and if it appears on the TV, then you don't need the offset. If it's on your monitor, humm...

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wilberfan:

i only will ever use the frontend on the tv

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J-e-f-f-A:

wilberfan: Well, once you figure out the offset, you can set the resolution within the frontend settings, and every time you start 'mythfrontend' it will use that resolution/offset...

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wilberfan:

AH! i think that worked....hang on...

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wilberfan:

that param worked....

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wilberfan:

do you think those settings are 'saved' now? or will i have to start it each time with that?

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J-e-f-f-A:

No, they're not saved by doing it that way, but if you go into the setup you can make it 'permanent'... Let me find the setup page...

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wilberfan:

yeah...just confirmed that....

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wilberfan:

without the param...it's back to off-flow...

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android60:

im building a system that i want as a NAS and mythtv backend, what OS varient do you recommend?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> Appearance -> 2nd Page – GUI Width, Height, X and Y offsets.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: seen the thread, lately?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Been working on theming

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iamlindoro:

anything of note?

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sphery:

a response that mentions you that you'll love

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** J-e-f-f-A heads over to gmail to check that out... **

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sphery:

it's the "subtext commercial filtering" one

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iamlindoro:

sphery, "Much as I disagree with iamlindoro's world view, sexual preferences, bad grammar, political affiliations, and general demeanor..."

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sphery:

so your mail reader shows between the lines, too?

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Dagmar:

Don't forget personal hygiene habits

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sphery:

seems so many of them these days just show the lines

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Dagmar:

It's the new subtext compression

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iamlindoro:

sphery, alas, a lifetime of dealing with my own shortcomings has taught me that :)

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sphery:

hooray! another episode of Better of Ted, tonight... Now to wait for my mbe to catch up on commflagging...

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wilberfan:

J-e-f-f-A, any luck...?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wilberfan: Check 2 lines after your last msg above^^^

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wagnerrp:

android60: anything with a package manager supporting multimedia libraries

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wilberfan:

oh, sorry...

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, its not going to be much fun collecting all of myth's dependencies

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I find it amazing that he is actually agreeing with you...

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Only in the most disagreeable possible way :)

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: he was agreeing that 'HDCP' was not something broadcast by the cable company

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wagnerrp:

theres not a whole lot of room there to argue

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wilberfan:

J-e-f-f-A, what's the "Use GUI size for TV playback option for...?

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro, wagnerrp: Yeah I know... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

wilberfan: it means video playback is scaled to the same settings you put in for the screen setup wizard

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J-e-f-f-A:

wilberfan: The same size the GUI is displayed at, the Video playback will occupy – it's the default behavior. You could optionally have different sizes for the GUI and TV playback (for overscan adjustment I presume...)

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wagnerrp:

since the edges of analog video are going to be garbage

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wagnerrp:

it may be worthwhile to allow the video to overscan properly

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wilberfan:

am i better off putting "1024" into "GUI width", etc...?

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wilberfan:

(and "768" into GUI heigth")?

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wagnerrp:

youre better off using what the screen setup wizard gives you for GUI

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wilberfan:

sorry...? i'm trying to 'set' the size instead of having to use the --geometry param...

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wagnerrp:

either use that, or youre going to have to tweek those settings manually using your driver, or the '--geometry' flag for mythfrontend

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wilberfan:

that's what i'm trying to avoid, yes, the --geometry flag...

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J-e-f-f-A:

wilberfan: If you're always going to use mythfrontend on the TV, then yes. wagnerrp: It apparently was starting Myth at his LCD's resoution on the TV, causing major 'overscan' to the right and bottom...

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wilberfan:

yes. nicely put. thanks. ;)

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wilberfan:

awesome. just tested it, and that seems to have done it! :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wilberfan: cool. ;-)

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** wilberfan bows to J-e-f-f-A and wagnerrp **

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wilberfan:

my gratitude, kind Sirs!

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wilberfan:

if you'll all excuse me...i have some TV watching to catch up on! :D

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CCFL_Man2:

anyone recommend a good, stable dvb-s pci card?

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CCFL_Man2:

i've heard twinhan's are stable

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CCFL_Man2:

thats all i can find on ebay

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sgtpepper:

have anyone here assembled a homebrew serial receiver

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sgtpepper:

I assembled two and can't make them work

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sgtpepper:

also I bought an Actisys ir220L+

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sgtpepper:

that is supposed to be supported

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sgtpepper:

but does not work also

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J-e-f-f-A:

sgtpepper: I made my own receivers.

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Dagmar:

sgtpepper: It's likely something more important is failing then

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sgtpepper:

can I send pictures of my devices to anyone so you can check if they're ok?

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Dagmar:

You can put 'em on photobucket but we can't make any promises

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Dagmar:

Someplace like that

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sgtpepper:

ok

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sgtpepper:

I will

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Dagmar:

I just bought the IguanaWorks serial one

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wagnerrp:

you may want to try #lirc, but that channel is almost vacant

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Dagmar:

...mainly because I liked their circuit

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RyeBrye:

I was thinking of building an audio LIRC reciever, but haven't gotten around to it

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RyeBrye:

http://www.lirc.org/ir-audio.html was the general idea

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wagnerrp:

my hdhomerun seems to have kicked offline

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RyeBrye:

I hate it when that happens

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RyeBrye:

I would trade the built-in LIRC for a klaxon that alarms when it loses network connectivity

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wagnerrp:

first time ive had it happen

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RyeBrye:

I've only had it happen as a result of my screwing with my network

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RyeBrye:

but still... I never will use the LIRC reciever in it – but I would use a beeping alarm if it's not able to ping some set server on my network or something

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wagnerrp:

well you can always do the reverse

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wagnerrp:

sound an alarm if a server on your network cannot ping it

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wagnerrp:

in fact, there are any number of management apps that will do that

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RyeBrye:

yeah, but that's too easy :)

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RyeBrye:

Wow. my comflag job is running at 700fps

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RyeBrye:

did commflag get optimized recently, or did my updating a bunch of other crap on my system magically make it faster? (or is this recording just a fluke?)

[03:16:12]

iamlindoro:

So Better Of Ted = Good?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: very good

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sphery:

but if you're not into comedies, probably not so much

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iamlindoro:

Will give a shot tonight

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iamlindoro:

I like Scrubs/Office etc.

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sphery:

RyeBrye: is it a "normal" commflag job (i.e. spawned by mythbackend) versus running it manually?

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RyeBrye:

sphery – I clicked on the button in mythweb to make it run

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sphery:

iamlindoro: make sure you watch the Veridian Dynamics commercials

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iamlindoro:

K

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sphery:

RyeBrye: just wondering (and still am--I don't know what mythweb does to kick it off) because the one run by the backend purposefully runs slow, based on the job queue "CPU Usage" setting

[03:22:17]

RyeBrye:

gotcha.

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RyeBrye:

well, it took it 3 minutes 40 seconds to comflag a 30 minute SD show – it found 4 breaks (not sure if they are accurate yet – I assume they are) and my load average never got above 1.0

[03:23:24]

RyeBrye:

Oh wait.

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RyeBrye:

it's an hour long show

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RyeBrye:

3 minutes 40 seconds for an hour long sd show

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wagnerrp:

apparently TMPGEnc is going to start making use of the SpursEngine

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wagnerrp:

thats the first ive really heard of anyone using it

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iamlindoro:

sphery, so is the idea that he basically works for Aperture Science?

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iamlindoro:

they do what they must, because they can?

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arodd:

If you have two different models of atsc cards that use a different driver should you use the same channel source or create a separate one for each card?

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arodd:

I want to record two shows at once and the actual source is coming from the same qam line so all freqs/etc. should be the same.

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: We use TMPGEnc a lot a work. We have 10 licenses. Without changing cpu's what is the advantage?

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arodd:

for whatever reason it doesn't work when using the same channel source with two input connections

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arodd:

ie: the original tuner tunes fine and records but the new one doesn't record anything

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CCFL_Man2:

arodd: each tuner card would be a different source, no?

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arodd:

same source

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arodd:

ie: i have a two way splitter going into each card so the source/qam signals/channels/frequency should all be the same

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arodd:

my goal is for it to just pick a tuner and record without having to manage two sets of channels/recordings

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CCFL_Man2:

but a channel source according to mythtv i mean

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arodd:

that's kind of what i'm asking

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arodd:

is that a requirement

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arodd:

because then my recordings don't fall over to the other channel source

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CCFL_Man2:

i wouldn't know

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** iamlindoro has an idea **

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iamlindoro:

how about people who don't have myth boxes refrain from answering Myth questions?

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iamlindoro:

arodd, One source for both tuners, assuming the same lineup/company/etc. is fine

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: sounds like a plan

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arodd:

is there anything that would prevent it from working that you know of?

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arodd:

That's how I had it originally but the other tuner wouldn't tune...things to check?

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iamlindoro:

It won't tune *any* channels, and they're both QAM?

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arodd:

well i set a recording and it wasn't recording

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arodd:

I will try it again here with mythfrontend

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arodd:

but yeah both qam

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arodd:

one is cx18(new one) and one is cx88

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CCFL_Man2:

arodd: what qam channels are they?

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meshe:

heh, thanks to mythweb doing a grep -r on my myth source tree searches my videos directory on my production box

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arodd:

would have to look in the db....cx88 never would channel scan since I bought it but i used some external program to scan and record a snippet of each channel to find the freqs, then i got mplayer channels.conf which I translated to the mythdb

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arodd:

and then added the correct xmltv id

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iamlindoro:

That won't work

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iamlindoro:

importing channels.conf isn't going to work for QAM, you need to scan in Myth

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arodd:

i didn't "import it"

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arodd:

I just meshed what i had

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arodd:

wait...

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arodd:

reclarify the cx88 only would scan one channel successfully each run and then no more

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iamlindoro:

Sorry, I can't provide any support when you're manually munging the DB, that's a recipe for not working

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arodd:

so I scanned one exported the row, scanned another exported that row/etc.

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arodd:

until i had all the channels

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arodd:

then I reimported the rows and incremented the channel numbers accordingly

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arodd:

the channels have always worked... it's just a matter of not on both tuners...would that alone cause the other tuner not to work?

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arodd:

seems doubtfull, just crappy scanning on the original card. I DID use myth to scan though

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182118 <--this seems great for a backend

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arodd:

like *sorry sol* not the response i was looking for but I guess i'll have to figure it out on my own

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arodd:

just looking for a place to start....

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arodd:

looks like it could be a signal quality issue because a few of the channels tune but the others report low snr

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arodd:

thanks for the sol help ;)

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CCFL_Man2:

arodd: he can be a bitter old man :P

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banyan:

Hey — I just upgraded my myth backend machine to f10... only to find I couldn't run mythbackend because my system didn't have lib1394.so.8 on it. The new version is 11!

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banyan:

So what I did, hack that I am, is I symlinked the lib1394.so.11.0.1 file to .so.8. But there has to be a better solution than that...

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banyan:

for there shall surely be a segfault in my near future!

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banyan:

is there a doctor-recommended workaround for that lib1394.so.8 not existing kinda problem?

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Dagmar:

Recompiling whatever the hell linked against that so it won't be doing it anymore

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Dagmar:

Odds are that'll avoid the segfault-due-to-mismatched-structs issue, too

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banyan:

mmm, yeah, I guess i should file a package bug since I installed it from fusion packages.

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RyeBrye:

CCFL_Man2: that mobo seems pricey for what it offers.

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131297 is what I have on my master BE / FE

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CCFL_Man2:

RyeBrye: not enough pci slots

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RyeBrye:

Ah, you are looking for PCI slots?

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RyeBrye:

backend only?

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah, i am going to have an atsc card and a few dvb-s cards

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CCFL_Man2:

yes

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Defense|User:

Hi, is it possible to simply export records from mythTV to normal mpegs on the hard disk (with correct name and autoremove in mythTV)?

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Defense|User:

hm found mytharchive... but it doesn't work :/

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Sulx:

Defense|User: make script and run it as userjo

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Defense|User:

Sulx: fedora

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Defense|User:

in my frontend log i have these errors: http://rafb.net/p/6LlRc186.html

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tank-man:

what version of mythtv are you running Defense|User ?

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tank-man:

looks like you updated mythtv ?

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tank-man:

"Couldn't upgrade database to new schema, exiting."

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tank-man:

first line looks like it is describing your problem

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Defense|User:

tank-man: i just installed myth yesterday...

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Defense|User:

MythTV Version : Unknown

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Defense|User:

http://rafb.net/p/t0EfOm79.html

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Defense|User:

btw. when do i have to run mythfilldatabase?

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tank-man:

if you are running the "trunk" branch, I believe it is recommended to be on the -dev mailing list cause lots of stuff can go wrong

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Defense|User:

hm so, then it seems that i have to wait until fedora 11 becomes stable..

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Defense|User:

but anyway, what does mythfilldatabase?

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tank-man:

please rephrase your quesion

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Defense|User:

man mythfilldatabase

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kormoc:

Defense|User, this is not a terminal window

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Defense|User:

kormoc: i just thought that it could explain what my question is

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Defense|User:

tank-man: when do i have to run mythfilldatabase?

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GrahamIRC:

whenever you want to update the schedules information

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jarle:

Defense|user_: the backend is set to run mythfilldatabase automatically once each day by default

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Defense|user_:

jarle: thx :) and what does it used to do?

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jarle:

Defense|user_: put EPG channel data into your database

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Defense|user_:

ah, ok thanks :-)

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jarle:

Defense|user_: You can either get your channel data thruogh the video-stream (EIT) or you can download from the internet using xmltv

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pak0:

hi all

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adante:

so i don't suppose there is a quick fix for vlc being unable to play myths mpeg2 recordings

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justinh:

and so begins the rot. mythtv skins agogo. well, have fun picking a good one

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justinh:

adante: if the recordings are mpeg2, then the problem is with VLC

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justinh:

or the streams themselves. myth only shoves what it's given from capture devices into files

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adante:

yeah righto, i know it's a vlc thing, thought i'd ask just incase there was a quick fix someone new about

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justinh:

ffs

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justinh:

try in #vlc then

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adante:

sorry, didn't mean to offend

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Lord_Deathscythe:

I'm redoing my media box

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Lord_Deathscythe:

would it be worth while to just download something like mythbuntu or mythdora instead of going full on gentoo?

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wagnerrp:

are you comfortable with gentoo?

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Lord_Deathscythe:

I use it on everything

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Lord_Deathscythe:

it's just I leave the thing sitting there for months on end with no updating and it keeps breaking when I do those

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wagnerrp:

are you comfortable with ubuntu or fedora?

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Lord_Deathscythe:

never touched either

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wagnerrp:

if youve never used either before, just stick to gentoo

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Lord_Deathscythe:

might as well

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wagnerrp:

best to install myth on a system youre used to

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Lord_Deathscythe:

I was hoping it be easier for things like lirc and the like

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ivor:

i've simply started dropping ubuntu on boxes I don't touch very often.

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ivor:

find it much easier to keep up to date.

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ivor:

but custom distro's on machines I work on a lot.

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Lord_Deathscythe:

how hard would it be to get lirc working on mythbuntu?

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ivor:

doesn t it already have it?

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ivor:

if not... then i'd guess as easy as getting lirc working on an ubuntu machine. :)

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Nockian:

we've switched to ubuntu as well (from gentoo most recently)

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Nockian:

Lord_Deathscythe: mythbuntu is ubuntu, so it's pretty much the same as having it on an ubuntu machine (as ivor said)

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Lord_Deathscythe:

I suppose

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Lord_Deathscythe:

I guess I'll stick with what i'm good at and try to get LIRC working proper

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Nockian:

well... you might as well switch to ubuntu now, you're going to eventually anyways :)

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ivor:

tsk. :)

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Lord_Deathscythe:

i got mythtv working on gentoo before, no reason not to now

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Lord_Deathscythe:

is there any word on if mythtv is transitioning to qt4

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ivor:

?

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ivor:

!

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ivor:

0.22 is Qt4

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ivor:

well will be when it's released.

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gbee:

proper QT4 too, none of this qt3support stuff

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Lord_Deathscythe:

cool, was wondering

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gbee:

not that it makes much difference for the end-user

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Lord_Deathscythe:

it does if ou can do some prety prety eye catching stuff

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ivor:

Lord_Deathscythe: he meant the qt3support use didn't make much difference. not qt3 vs qt4 :)

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Lord_Deathscythe:

ah

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Lord_Deathscythe:

ok

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gbee:

Lord_Deathscythe: we've all new UI code in 0.22, but none of it depends on QT4

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Lord_Deathscythe:

ok

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gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Demo_Theme

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clever:

gbee: one more way to trick my dad into using mythtv and not knowing it:P

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d00gle:

The new theme options look really nice

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d00gle:

love the versitility

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iamlindoro:

Great, JYA is for the theme mailing list, so much for that idea

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d00gle:

?

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wagnerrp:

apparently there is some mechanism by which you can enable the additional core on Phenom X3s

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wagnerrp:

but... why would you want to?

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wagnerrp:

i thought the whole reason for the X3s existence was because they were tested as having one failed core

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ivor:

but more likely they simply disable a proportian to meet shipping targets.

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ivor:

meh, proportion

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sphery:

I'm confused... Shouldn't #6461 have mentioned how bad that is for WAF?

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sphery:

I mean, after all, it's a complaint about how the unstable/development branch has some issues with a work in progress...

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ivor:

you mean the sort of thing to mention on IRC/mail list as an aside? perish the thought.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Good lord, filing bugs against trunk is fine, but against a feature that has barely been committed and isn't even done?

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wagnerrp:

well if it's re-fetching icons, that is a problem

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sphery:

it's a known issue with the remote file stuff

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sphery:

and it's a "we'll get it later" one

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wagnerrp:

so the guy did no research

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sphery:

but really, it's not re-fetching icons--the user just hasn't configured his system properly for hte current state of trunk

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sphery:

because he's not doing his homework--following the state of development

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sphery:

right, no research

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sphery:

he should be using -fixes

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ivor:

on the other hand... there've been worse reports. :)

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j-rod:

MythTV users must be stupider than the average bear. We get nothing but fucking AWESOME bug reports at bugzilla.redhat.com...

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j-rod:

"the box locked up, I think it was a filesystem error" <eom>

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** j-rod scanning through bugs now :) **

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wagnerrp:

knife in the face over tcp/ip

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sphery:

j-rod: that one could easily have been the result if the user had an ext3 filesystem, deleted a ton of shows in Myth with slow deletes enabled, then tried to shut down mythbackend (i.e. since all the open-yet-deleted files need to be truly deleted at that point, the system /seems/ to lock up--but given time, it will finish properly). Oh, and if that was it and the user killed the box (with the power switch) at that point, he ...

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sphery:

... would have seen the rest of the delay that he didn't wait on when the filesystem mounted (i.e. when replaying the journal).

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sphery:

of course, with the amount of info provided, all of the above is simply a guess--so not that useful

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j-rod:

sphery: oh, no, this is something along the lines of what we get in the RH bugzilla on an alarmingly regular basis, but yeah, that's plausible too. :)

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j-rod:

that, or "OMG, a panic!"

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sphery:

heh...

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j-rod:

...when its just a stack trace

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sphery:

always fun trying to interpret what really happened based on the user's description :)

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j-rod:

oh! wait, I have to dig this one bug up...

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j-rod:

its FULL of amusement...

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wagnerrp:

j-rod: but it was a panic! the program crashed and the user panicked

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wagnerrp:

amazing! i can get viagra at 79% off

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j-rod:

heh, true

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wagnerrp:

seems 'boostvital.com' is now handling microsoft's ad mailers

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sphery:

wagnerrp: your response to the HDMI question was much better than the other

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wagnerrp:

you mean i told him to GTFO rather than calling him a stupid user?

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sphery:

the ones that really annoy me are the actual mailings from companies where the from address /is/ one of the domains of a (valid) bulk marketing company--i.e. like rsys3 (or whatever) and another one I've seen that I don't remember... Don't they realize that users are far more likely to "add this address to [their] address book" if it actually has a From address with the company's domain?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah--I'm a fan of "don't answer--even quick answers--if the question was asked in the wrong forum"

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j-rod:

damn, can't find it. really wanted to find this bug where a user is literally YELLING at developers, insisting they're idiots, and that he's running KDE

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j-rod:

when the screenshots he's posted in the bug clearly show gnome

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j-rod:

its full of lolz

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wagnerrp:

no, its just a gnome theme for kde

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wagnerrp:

he prefers how gnome looks

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j-rod:

yeah, this guy definitely wasn't bright enough to pull that off

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wagnerrp:

or to stop using kde when he likes gnome better...

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wagnerrp:

except, apparently he has!

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j-rod:

I believe his argument was "there are kde apps in the menus, therefore this is gnome, and all the developers are stupid"

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wagnerrp:

:P

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j-rod:

er, "therefore this is gnome"

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j-rod:

argh

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j-rod:

er, "therefore this is kde"

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wagnerrp:

third time is the charm

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wagnerrp:

should have showed him a shot of icewm with kde apps, see what he thought it was

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sid3windr:

j-rod: please search further for the url :>

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** iamlindoro wants to see that bug **

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** j-rod keeps hunting a bit... **

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j-rod:

thar she be

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j-rod:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=447114

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sid3windr:

woah

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sid3windr:

it goes bad at comment #3 already =)

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iamlindoro:

That is *classic*

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iamlindoro:

He really flies off the handle early

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sid3windr:

I just checked and there is under system "about gnome"

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sid3windr:

so I guess Gnome got busy and populated their desktop with a lot of KDE stuff

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sid3windr:

!! :>

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Any idea where was he from? France or Belgium?

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wagnerrp:

poland

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j-rod:

not a clue. perhaps another planet.

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iamlindoro:

I loved the "You must be from the US because you are a dick" implication

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j-rod:

note that, iirc, kevin is from austria

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro: are you from the US? :>

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iamlindoro:

I'm from the US, and a dick, but the two are unrelated ;)

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sid3windr:

well I'm from belgium, so I would obviously connect the 2

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sid3windr:

:>

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sid3windr:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/landon/kelsey <- redhat linux fedora 8 win!

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sid3windr:

apparently he also flooded the fedora-users list :]

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sid3windr:

you guys are from somewhere else...I am withdrawing from this subsciption! I never saw a place to switch to Gnome of KDE on the boot process.

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iamlindoro:

sid3windr: Heh, funny how the clueless ones are always in a computing profession :)

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sid3windr:

Cancel my emails....send me no more emails!

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** sid3windr is in a computing profession :( **

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sid3windr:

"I have no idea what you are talking about!

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iamlindoro:

nobody called you clueless :)

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sid3windr:

Are you from a foreign country? "

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sid3windr:

he really has something with people from other countries.. :p

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sid3windr:

you're speaking blablabla, I can't hear youuuuuuuu

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iamlindoro:

yes, the "Are you from the USA?" makes even more sense in light of him being a Texan

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wagnerrp:

professional internet denizen

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iamlindoro:

"Too bad for Fedora! Delete my account!"

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jovaro:

Hi I need some help with my Hauppage remote... I installed the lirc packages on ubuntu and there is configuration file for the remote, but irw shows nothing

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iamlindoro:

To which I would have responded, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!"

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro: to which he would have replied "I don't hear you. Are you from another country? I am leaving! Let me out!"

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wagnerrp:

jovaro: are you running lircd?

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jovaro:

yes

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sid3windr:

"AND STOP MAILING ME"

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iamlindoro:

"having worked in Microsoft since my X11 days"

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iamlindoro:

I don't even know how to parse that part

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wagnerrp:

the Expansionist 11, he used to be part of a terrorist organization

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iamlindoro:

I should have known he was american from the atrocious grammar and spelling

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AndyCap:

Hehe http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2008/05/my-adventure . . . ra-9-part-2/ comment #2

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sphery:

j-rod: that ticket is classic!

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j-rod:

indeed

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sphery:

I'm stilll waiting to really find out what he thinks. He keeps promising, but then delaying. Therefore, he sounds more like a software markerter than a software developer.

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j-rod:

wow, didn't realize he'd even tried to spread the word beyond bz about how incompetent others were

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AndyCap:

trouble must follow him around

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sid3windr:

People working in bugzilla who obviously have never used Linux !

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AndyCap:

oh, according to the digg profile he's 68

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AndyCap:

I guess he didn't mellow

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sphery:

"People working in bugzilla"... Does he think "bugzilla" is some support organization or some Fedora-specific thing?

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AndyCap:

sphery: it's the little men inside keeping it running

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sid3windr:

something he had sworn off, obviously

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sphery:

heh

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tank-man:

jovaro, did the program "mode2" show any input from your remote?

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iamlindoro:

Looks like you crazy kids in the UK have an iPlayer HD now

[16:18:52]

** iamlindoro braces for the next round of users lists demanding it be Myth-integrated **

[16:19:04]

iamlindoro:

users list posts, that is

[16:19:38]

gbee:

we do?

[16:20:04]

gbee:

wonder if it's really HD, or just higher definition than their usual stuff

[16:20:14]

iamlindoro:

gbee: So it seems, per Engadget

[16:20:50]

iamlindoro:

In other news, This is what Home Theatres look like when you let frat guys and stoners design and build them: http://www.geektonic.com/2009/04/media-gadget . . . 18-home.html

[16:21:06]

iamlindoro:

Especially love "stadium seating"

[16:21:42]

wagnerrp:

a bong in every seat?

[16:22:33]

wagnerrp:

a '2.01ghz barthon'

[16:22:38]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what that is...

[16:23:47]

sphery:

kind of like a marathon, but instead of running, drinking?

[16:23:56]

sphery:

and really fast, it seems

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wagnerrp:

why would he buy modern hardware (his current server has parts <6mo old) and stick with 250GB hard drives

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wagnerrp:

where does he hold these 2300 likely ill-gotten DVDs and 700GB of tv?

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wagnerrp:

ah, there we go... 8TB in the office

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sid3windr:

and a 10/1000 network

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wagnerrp:

185000 mp3s

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iamlindoro:

Love the screenshot of him running an app dedicated to stealing satellite, too, listing the Dish Network channels

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sid3windr:

I wonder what that monitor on the wall is doing in the office

[16:29:51]

sphery:

iamlindoro: which screenshot?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Mytheatre

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sphery:

Is that Beyond TV, in general?

[16:30:22]

zimnyx:

Hello.

[16:30:26]

zimnyx:

Hello. I want to watch TV on my laptop, but PCI tuner card is attached to remote LAN box (TV works using tvtime application). I cannot see tvtime screen, because it uses XVideo for displaying, and I see blue screen instead of real tv image.

[16:30:30]

zimnyx:

Can mythtv help me in overcoming this ?

[16:30:37]

sphery:

Oh... MyTheater is the app

[16:30:41]

iamlindoro:

sphery: No, Mytheatre is like a lightweight DVB app in windows devoted to softcam

[16:30:54]

sid3windr:

zimnyx: yes.

[16:30:55]

wagnerrp:

yes

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jovaro:

tank-man, mode2 reads from /dev/lirc I only have /dev/lircd is that a problem?

[16:31:16]

sphery:

zimnyx: with MythTV, the backend records and can stream a compressed video to any frontend system. Backends have capture devices. Frontends don't.

[16:31:17]

wagnerrp:

zimnyx: mythtv comes in two parts, backend and frontend

[16:31:22]

wagnerrp:

the backend records off the tuner

[16:31:41]

wagnerrp:

and the frontend connects to the backend over the network, and plays back recorded content

[16:32:01]

wagnerrp:

however mythtv doesnt really have livetv

[16:32:13]

wagnerrp:

its livetv mode is just playing back a recording, as it is recording

[16:32:14]

zimnyx:

I see. I wonder how much resource-greedy is mythtv

[16:32:24]

sphery:

and if all you want is livetv, you'd be better off setting up your current system correctly...

[16:32:32]

wagnerrp:

what tuner is this?

[16:32:53]

zimnyx:

CX88 chipset (Pixelview)

[16:32:55]

sid3windr:

you can also use vlc to stream on the system with the tuner and pick it up with vlc on your laptop

[16:32:57]

sphery:

i.e. set up VLC to record from the capture card on the "remote LAN box" and stream the video to a media player on the laptop

[16:33:07]

sphery:

rather than trying to use X redisplay

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, tvtime just grabs the raw frames off the tuner, and dumps them on X

[16:33:29]

sphery:

yep

[16:33:29]

wagnerrp:

youre never going to get good performance over the network with that

[16:33:34]

wagnerrp:

theres just not enough bandwidth

[16:33:48]

wagnerrp:

but VLC should manage nicely

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zimnyx:

On LAN not enough bandiwth?!!

[16:33:59]

jovaro:

tank-man, mode2 --device=/dev/lircd doesn't give output, using the command with -r gives: error opening /dev/lircd : No such device or address

[16:34:01]

zimnyx:

God, you're wrong

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wagnerrp:

tvtime just displays raw uncompressed video

[16:34:07]

sid3windr:

God isn't wrong :)

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sid3windr:

there really isn't enough bandwidth to go streaming video over X :)

[16:34:23]

clever:

ive ran mplayer thru x11 forwarding before

[16:34:39]

clever:

the lag and cpu usage depend on the resolution

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clever:

my bigest problem was getting audio to also move over

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zimnyx:

wagnerrp: and I want to use solution which doesn compression, like vnc server.

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zimnyx:

*which does

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wagnerrp:

which for standard resolution is going to be roughly 15MB/s

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** zimnyx claims that he wants to send compressed video. **

[16:35:37]

wagnerrp:

obviously too much for any form of wireless, or most home networks (10/100)

[16:35:49]

sphery:

wagnerrp: there's /no/ way to get video across a network without compression.

[16:35:54]

sphery:

zimnyx: ^^^^

[16:36:02]

sphery:

sorry... wrong autocomplete

[16:36:06]

clever:

wagnerrp: i was doing it over 100mbit but it was a little low on the res

[16:36:13]

wagnerrp:

sphery: ive done it over gigabit fine

[16:36:18]

wagnerrp:

the problem was getting audio working

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zimnyx:

Guys, like I said, current remote desktop solution I use, does compression.

[16:37:10]

clever:

pulseaudio(or its relative) is a pain to get listening on tcp, and has alot of lag

[16:37:30]

wagnerrp:

i was trying ESD, pulseaudio wasnt around at the time

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sphery:

zimnyx: that compression will be far worse quality than MPEG (=designed for video) compression

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clever:

sphery: enless its lossless compression

[16:38:02]

sphery:

there's all sorts of problems with smooth frame delivery/tearing/... if you're not compressing the video directly

[16:38:10]

sphery:

No. It won't

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wagnerrp:

VLC will do exactly what you want it to

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clever:

sphery: lossless will give perfect frames, but can still lag/tear alot

[16:38:45]

sphery:

unless you mean lossless /and/ full frame rate

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iamlindoro:

Did you ever just want to set people on fire?

[16:38:56]

sphery:

but I don't think there's any remote-desktop solution that does that

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zimnyx:

wagnerrp: nice, what keywords on google should I use to find sufficient info?

[16:39:04]

** clever hands iamlindoro a bucket of gas and the matches **

[16:39:05]

wagnerrp:

'VLC'

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iamlindoro:

clever: unwise given I meant you

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sphery:

vlc streaming

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clever:

lol

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zimnyx:

it's streaming from VLC, correct?

[16:39:22]

wagnerrp:

and perhaps, 'streaming'

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zimnyx:

ok, thanks :)

[16:39:41]

_abbenormal:

flame thrower is so much more fun bro

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wagnerrp:

look up mjpeg streaming

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wagnerrp:

its rather simple to encode and decode

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wagnerrp:

and it should have no problem compressing small enough on any wired network

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sphery:

wagnerrp: regarding your uncompressed via Gb, that was probably 720x480, right?

[16:42:05]

wagnerrp:

yeah, nothing HD

[16:42:29]

wagnerrp:

the PCI bus can hardly manage HD at full speed

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sphery:

because 720x480@30fps = 10368000 pixels/sec, so assuming 12bpp, that's 124,416,000 bits/sec = 15552000 bytes/sec = 14.83MiB/sec.

[16:42:53]

wagnerrp:

"wagnerrp> which for standard resolution is going to be roughly 15MB/s"

[16:42:54]

sphery:

And, TTBOMK, the 12bpp is really a form of compression (colorspace conversion to 12bpp)

[16:45:05]

sphery:

but, regardless, sending YUV across the net to get "better quality" for live TV is really a waste.

[16:45:22]

sphery:

Only really useful to save YUV if you're doing editing before encoding.

[16:45:43]

wagnerrp:

and even then, you may as well use huffman or something

[16:46:06]

sphery:

yeha.

[16:46:10]

wagnerrp:

since thats going to be lossless (compared to YUV), and the compression is fairly trivial

[16:46:25]

sphery:

Yeah, I mean.

[16:46:43]

wagnerrp:

thought maybe you got on a horse...

[16:47:25]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

now to saddle up and see about disposing of some of my 10yrs of computer junk...

[16:50:07]

meshe:

sphery: i just did that when we moved, dropped most of it off at freegeek

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pfn:

hmm, is there any way to do livetv/tuning over upnp/dlna?

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wagnerrp:

no

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sphery:

meshe: I wish we had a place like that... Seems that the county facility only accepts 5 items.

[16:58:16]

tank-man:

jovaro, 1) is the kernel module for the remote loaded? 2) is lircd running? 3) does mode2 give output? 4) do you have an appropriate config for your remote in /etc/lircd.conf 5) do you have a config file ~/.lircrc ?

[16:58:32]

pfn:

wagnerrp, is that a no for technical reasons or feature reasons?

[16:58:45]

wagnerrp:

maybe, yes

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sphery:

may have to put 3–4 motherboards, 4–5 HDD's, a couple CD-ROM's and more into each case. :)

[16:59:15]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not support it, and i dont know if its even technically feasible

[16:59:26]

meshe:

sphery: that sucks, we have freegeek that helps people build computers and also our new hardware has levies on it to fund the recycling operation

[16:59:40]

pfn:

wagnerrp, http://coherence.beebits.net/wiki/LiveTV — the folks at coherence thinks it might be doable...

[16:59:48]

wagnerrp:

you *can* log into mythweb, set up a recording, and begin playback

[17:00:18]

wagnerrp:

but at least on my PS3, i have to restart the video from whenever i hit wherever the end was when i started playback

[17:00:40]

pfn:

how do you hit the end before the recording? skipping commercials?

[17:00:43]

sphery:

I think I actually have 9 UPS's that I need to dispose of.

[17:00:59]

wagnerrp:

lets say i started recording 5 minutes ago, and start watching now

[17:01:04]

sphery:

(all in good condition--only in need of new batteries)

[17:01:06]

wagnerrp:

my PS3 thinks i have 5 minutes of video

[17:01:14]

wagnerrp:

at the end of that 5 minutes, it ends playback

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pfn:

oh, stupid

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** Lord_Deathscythe is away: My mind is gone from this place... but the rest of me didn't follow **

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wagnerrp:

even though there is still another 5 minutes of video

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tank-man:

I think thats cause mpg isnt a streaming container

[17:01:28]

pfn:

that's annoying

[17:01:58]

Sulx:

wagnerrp: what about starting record and starting userjob to stream it with external apps...like vlc+darwin?

[17:02:03]

wagnerrp:

now i dont know if UPNP/DNLA supports some form of time updating, and mythtv doesnt support it

[17:02:24]

wagnerrp:

Sulx: never tried that

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tank-man:

if the ps3 supported reading from a nupple video container you wouldnt have that problem

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pfn:

wagnerrp, but yeah, my goal is similar to yours, play video back on a ps3

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wagnerrp:

tank-man: i dont know how you can say that

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wagnerrp:

i record in TS files, transport streams

[17:03:40]

wagnerrp:

its a streaming container, and i have that problem

[17:04:13]

pfn:

maybe there's a streaming playback as opposed to file playback mode

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pfn:

in upnp

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tank-man:

I'd rather blame sony than mythtv :)

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sphery:

meshe: Ah, beautiful... The little electronics parts company that I've bought parts from (often just yanked off old electronics--i.e. caps, etc.) will take everything--no limit. :) Go Astro Too!

[17:07:06]

meshe:

sphery: sweet, hopefully they'll be able to make use of it

[17:07:30]

sphery:

Yeah. The disassemble and sell parts side may actually make some of the really old stuff somewhat usable, too.

[17:07:44]

meshe:

i still have a 1U rackmount server I still haven't been able to part with

[17:08:14]

sphery:

I think I have like 4 2400baud or less modems...

[17:08:25]

sphery:

smallest hard drive I still have is 80MB

[17:08:30]

meshe:

sphery: that's cool, that's what freegeek does here, you volunteer with them for x hours and you get a free computer

[17:08:35]

sphery:

(I got rid of my 40MB before)

[17:08:40]

meshe:

haha

[17:08:41]

sphery:

nice.

[17:09:35]

sphery:

The guy said no charge--even if I bring 2 monitors (which they normally charge for, but won't if you bring other equipment)--but I think I'm going to talk to him because I feel I should pay something.

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tank-man:

wagnerrp, from the wikipedia page on TS files, it looks like M2TS files might help

[17:10:04]

sphery:

Anyway, now it's time to load up my truck and haul that stuff down there.

[17:10:12]

pfn:

you feel like you should pay something to dispose of your computer stuff?

[17:10:23]

pfn:

you pay an ewaste fee to start with...

[17:10:26]

pfn:

at least in california

[17:10:30]

sphery:

not in FL

[17:10:43]

sphery:

and, I feel that they shouldn't be paying for disposing of my stuff.

[17:10:53]

pfn:

indeed

[17:11:23]

sphery:

it's $0.30/lb for them to dispose of my old 14" interlaced 1024x768 CRT and my 15" non-interlaced 1024x768 CRT.

[17:11:28]

sphery:

So...

[17:11:42]

sphery:

this time, I'm really gone--and cleaning my junk room.

[17:11:59]

meshe:

we pay levies here for new hardware to pay for the disposal of old stuff, I've paid about $150 is levies in the last 6 months

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meshe:

but then we can drop off an unlimited amount of tvs and computer hardware for it

[17:13:16]

tank-man:

you pay a flat levey fee? or based on what you buy

[17:13:23]

tank-man:

150 is a lot wow

[17:13:48]

meshe:

yeah, flat fee by item

[17:14:11]

meshe:

in the last 6 months we've bought a new LCD tv, and 3 new monitors as of today

[17:14:43]

pfn:

I think it's a flat $8 per tv/monitor here

[17:14:59]

meshe:

sphery: http://freegeekcentralflorida.org/

[17:15:09]

tank-man:

oh, that means you bought a lot of stuff :)

[17:15:55]

meshe:

yeah, my husband just picked up his birthday present today: GeForce 3D Vision with a Samsung 22" 120hz LCD monitor

[17:16:45]

wagnerrp:

ugh.. shutterglasses

[17:17:06]

meshe:

at 120hz, they work amazingly well

[17:17:20]

wagnerrp:

although i guess im spoiled at work, projectors and circular lenses

[17:17:32]

meshe:

what do you do wagnerrp?

[17:17:55]

wagnerrp:

computational fluids

[17:18:29]

meshe:

oh

[17:18:38]

wagnerrp:

primarily turbomachinery, jet engines

[17:18:46]

meshe:

ahh, nice

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: While testing multi-languages with mythvideo download I came across a behaviour that is not as user friendly as it could be. It is not a show stopper by any means. Please see and and tell me what you think: http://pastebin.ca/1394086

[17:24:12]

wagnerrp:

should it be caching through nyud?

[17:25:04]

wagnerrp:

well it seems to exist...

[17:26:54]

laga:

wagnerrp: so i know who to talk to if i ever get around to building that ramjet engine..

[17:26:57]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: When I first gave URLs for graphics to Mythvideo it could not process the forwarding in the URL, I had to hardcode the nyud site to get mythvideo to download the graphics. Believe me I hate hardcoding anything,

[17:27:40]

wagnerrp:

laga: theres nothing to build

[17:27:58]

wagnerrp:

you put two cones together, a fuel injector, and a zippo

[17:28:07]

wagnerrp:

instant ramjet

[17:28:09]

RDV_Linux:

My own download code in python scripts have no problems downloading the unaltered URLs

[17:28:28]

laga:

wagnerrp: yes, but choosing the right cones will make it moar awesome :)

[17:31:01]

wagnerrp:

not really, any ramjet will have a normal shock on the intake

[17:31:25]

wagnerrp:

so the shape of your forward cone is pretty much irrelevant, so long as it doesnt go back sonic before the burner

[17:31:43]

wagnerrp:

and the exhaust just has to be a small enough angle such that you dont over expand the flow

[17:32:03]

wagnerrp:

small angle, and small size

[17:32:26]

wagnerrp:

its all just as simple as it seems

[17:33:08]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Well, it's friendly but is definitely a corner case-- I'll look at it, it's something in the filenameToMeta function I wrote that parses title/subtitle/season/episode from the filename, but may get thrown off by the Japanese characters

[17:33:18]

iamlindoro:

er Well it's not friendly

[17:34:04]

wagnerrp:

i suppose you could drop intake speed through a series of obliques, to reduce the losses from the normal shock

[17:34:22]

wagnerrp:

but 15 minutes skimming through a textbook could show you how to design that

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I thought that the issue was that when Mythfrontend does it's scan of the video directories (at start up) that it was not parsing the video file names for season and series names. That causes the initial download to use tmdb.pl after that the season and episode numbers are populated.

[17:37:01]

laga:

wagnerrp: yay. then i'll just do that :)

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RDV_Linux:

s/names/numbers/

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wagnerrp:

laga: remember, those things are simple enough theyve been using them for 80+ years

[17:39:28]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: A file scan *does* parse season and episode from the filename

[17:39:45]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Assuming you're using any of the last 3–4 versions of my season/episode/subtitle patch

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RDV_Linux:

OK I await your investigation. If the rest of my testing goes well then I will post the fully multi-language aware ttvdb.py today. Good comment I have not updated to your very last patch.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: It has parse the filename for season and episode for two weeks

[17:41:54]

iamlindoro:

so if yours is older, it wouldn't do that

[17:42:09]

iamlindoro:

3-30–09 is when I added that

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RDV_Linux:

The one I am using is "MythVideo.SubSeasEp.40109"

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: That one parses season and episode from filename

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: thought you long since knew that?

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RDV_Linux:

I will let up check that file name out. back to testing.

[17:43:49]

iamlindoro:

Obviously it's failing on your non-english filename for some reason, but everything I have tried has parse just fine

[17:44:06]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Remove the japanese string and scan, bet you it finds the season and episode automatically just fine

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iamlindoro:

in the filename, that is

[17:44:51]

iamlindoro:

If I had to guess, I'd bet it's a Qt QRegExp bug

[17:44:57]

iamlindoro:

or at least a known limitation

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RDV_Linux:

From my testing parsing and display of all utf8 works. I have had Hebrew Chinese, Japanese all display in the unique beauty. All updated using mythvideo and ttvdb.py. This behaviour seems to be limited to the initial start of mythvideo when there is a new multilingual video,

[17:48:47]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Myth doesn't *do* a scan on start, though

[17:48:54]

iamlindoro:

You need to invoke it manually

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you are adding it using some external utility?

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RDV_Linux:

Well I am confused as I started mythvideo and the video was there NO scan was performed. If I do a scan the season and episode numbers are all there.

[17:50:26]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Right, Myth doesn't add any files without a scan-- sure you're not running your own external script to add them?

[17:50:32]

iamlindoro:

That would make this make sense

[17:50:37]

iamlindoro:

As MythVideo

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iamlindoro:

er

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RDV_Linux:

Definitely no external script as I was isolating testing on the new ttvdb.py

[17:51:07]

iamlindoro:

As MythVideo's parsing of title/subtitle/season/episode is limited to its own scan, can't account for what any command line or cron'ed utilities do, those will need to be updated to add the new fields

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: All I can tell you is if files are adding themselves, *some* script is running to add them-- Myth cannot and does not do that

[17:51:39]

iamlindoro:

You *must* run the scan for changes to add them in trunk

[17:52:08]

RDV_Linux:

Does the mythbackend do scans at regular intervals?

[17:52:48]

zimnyx_:

Guys, I tried VLC from streaming captured video from remote box, and it works quite nice, but I capturing video from /dev/video0 which is already in use by tvtime doesn't work. Any tips?

[17:53:00]

iamlindoro:

Mythbackend looks for uPnP videos, but that does not modification or updating of the MythVideo videos

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RDV_Linux:

OK I will do my test again, No matter what I need to return to my testing or I will not get ttvdb.py out today.

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kormoc:

zimnyx_, none of that really involves myth, so I dare say, you are asking in the wrong channel

[17:54:30]

zimnyx:

kormoc: correct, but I alredy started this discussion here :)

[17:54:56]

kormoc:

Wow, I wish that's how the world worked

[17:55:04]

zimnyx:

it begins with mythtv, and the advice was to switch to vlc :)

[17:55:06]

kormoc:

I'd be able to walk into my bank and get lunch!

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Literally, the one and only way that is controlled by myth itself to add videos to MythVideo (in trunk) is with a "Scan for Changes." Anything else is an external tool

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iamlindoro:

zimnyx: so go to #vlc

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zimnyx:

roger that

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Any script or external tool will be lagging behind my changes and will need updating to be aware of the new DB fields and parsing

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iamlindoro:

Sure something involved in your Jamu script isn't adding them? I'd be willing to guess that that is the case

[17:58:25]

iamlindoro:

"The routine "_save_video_metadata_to_mythdb" has been copied and modified from "find_meta.py" author Pekka JÃ¤Ã¤skelÃ¤inen."

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iamlindoro:

I'd bet that's it :)

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RDV_Linux:

I re-did the test and the video was there after starting Mythfrontend (only god knows how) with no season and episode numbers. I did a scan and the season and episode numbers appeared. I only run Jamu overnight and do not run find_meta as I have jamu. It is a mystery. Back to testing and my next release.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Okay, can only assure you that whatever is adding them is *not* Myth code

[18:00:12]

iamlindoro:

Not that there wouldn't be many many happy Myth users if myth automatically added everything :)

[18:00:35]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: oh wait

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RDV_Linux:

OK np. Boy was that a lot of stuff for such as small issue.:)

[18:00:44]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: You're not using the file browse mode, are you?

[18:00:52]

RDV_Linux:

YES

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iamlindoro:

Then there's your problem

[18:01:05]

RDV_Linux:

My problem?

[18:01:06]

iamlindoro:

no way to parse season/episode without doing the metadata scan

[18:01:42]

iamlindoro:

No parsing of the filename happens at all in file browse mode

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jovaro:

tank-man, 1) the kernel module for the remote is loaded. 2) lircd is running. 3) mode2 doesn't output anything. 4) I have an appropriate lircd.conf. 5) I don't have a config file ~/.lircrc, but that shouldn't be necessary for irw?

[18:01:49]

RDV_Linux:

Over and out. That is last word on this subject, In the end it does not matter to me.

[18:01:58]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Good that you ran into it, though

[18:02:08]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: As that will likely pop up for some users once it's committed

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RDV_Linux:

:)

[18:02:39]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: ultimately I'll have code that makes the scanning work without relying on season and episode, but that's long term work that's going to take me some real time

[18:03:41]

iamlindoro:

And needs underlying functionality in Storage group code to get committed

[18:03:59]

iamlindoro:

And, most likely, for us to convert Mythvideo to Storage-groups-only

[18:04:33]

iamlindoro:

(which is a good thing, but I need people to start helping me out, it's just too much for me to do all of)

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jovaro:

tank-man, mode2 with the -r option has the following output: mode2: error opening /dev/lircd mode2: No such device or address

[18:05:48]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, glad we got to the bottom of that

[18:05:54]

anykey_:

Is it possible to have two video sources that have overlapping channels (i.e. carry the same ones, but also different ones), using the EPG from source A for the overlapping channels on source B without turning off EIT for one of the sources?

[18:06:30]

meshe:

i've started to work on the unique by checksum for mythvideo

[18:07:08]

meshe:

it would be much easier if mythvideo was SG only since right now i'm going to have to implement it in 2 areas

[18:07:15]

iamlindoro:

anykey_: Add the XMLTVids to all channels which overlap, then toggle the "useonairguide" field to off for the channels which overlap

[18:07:40]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Yes, almost any new feature needs two implementations, and I've already done that in a couple spots, and it just can't be kept up

[18:07:56]

anykey_:

iamlindoro: But I'm not using XMLTV?

[18:08:20]

iamlindoro:

anykey_: Ah, I see, I had you backwards

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meshe:

maybe i should switch over and start looking at moving mythvideo to SG's first and then do the checksumming

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iamlindoro:

anykey_: In that case I don't know but don't think so

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iamlindoro:

meshe: George Nassus had a patch in that did some automated figuring out of any existing records and dynamic creation of Sgroups as necessary, that's likely 90% of the work needed

[18:09:34]

iamlindoro:

It's in trac

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iamlindoro:

meshe: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6271

[18:10:36]

anykey_:

iamlindoro: bad luck then, thanks

[18:10:37]

meshe:

non SG mythvideo only allowed you to set one folder for videos so it shouldn't be much more than creating one SG and updating the db

[18:10:56]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Non SG MythVideo should be eliminated entirely

[18:11:19]

meshe:

well, for migration i mean

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iamlindoro:

You should talk to sphery, too, he had some ideas about how to do this

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meshe:

wouldn't it just be a matter of having a migration method and then removing the ability to configure a non SG path for videos?

[18:13:05]

iamlindoro:

Yes (although having it do a check for unmigrated records at MythVideo startup might be nice too)

[18:13:40]

meshe:

that could be a part of dbcheck

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iamlindoro:

dbcheck only runs between schema versions

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iamlindoro:

if it's in dbcheck, it only ever happens once

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iamlindoro:

and once the schema version is updated, never runs again

[18:14:38]

meshe:

hmm, ok, it could work there, but it's not the best place

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tank-man:

jovaro, what does the -r option do?

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iamlindoro:

It should be in the dbcheck, which will pick up most cases, but an additional function that picks up and fixes broken records might be helpful too

[18:15:16]

meshe:

this only needs to run once, migrate all the records to SG and all scans in the future should work off SG's

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tank-man:

jovaro, is the kernel module for the remote loaded?

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tank-man:

that is step 1

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jovaro:

tank-man, yes

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iamlindoro:

meshe: That, however, breaks every file add tool (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it bearks one of my patches too :) )

[18:15:48]

iamlindoro:

breaks

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jovaro:

tank-man, the -r option is supposed to give direct raw access to the device

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iamlindoro:

meshe: Just the dbcheck is fine if that's all you do, eventually the storage group functionality needed will be there and I can update my export patch

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meshe:

it would break mythweb too

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tank-man:

jovaro, is lircd running?

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meshe:

is there more functionality that needs to be added to SG's?

[18:17:20]

meshe:

(other than checksums)

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jovaro:

tank-man, yes, but not automaticly only when I restart it with /etc/init.d/lircd restart

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iamlindoro:

meshe: lots

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jovaro:

dmesg doesn't show any errors

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iamlindoro:

meshe: most importantly, IMHO, the ability to copy and move between storage groups, and the ability to return a list of all files in a storage group, regardless of host

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tank-man:

what documentation are you refering to when seting up lirc ?

[18:20:09]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Wrote a quick patch the other night for directory preferences that will allow all sorts of cool stuff, but I refuse to write a second version for local MythVidoe-- I'm taking a stand and saying we need to go all SG :)

[18:20:21]

iamlindoro:

s/MythVidoe/MythVideo/

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meshe:

how does the mythvideo scanner work if you can't get a list of all files in an SG?

[18:20:37]

pfn:

hmm, sounds like ps3ms can stream "live-tv" to the ps3 over upnp using vlc

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pfn:

I wonder if myth can be setup to do the same

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iamlindoro:

meshe: It hacks in its own version in the mythvideo code, that functionality needs to be generalized and moved into theSG code

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meshe:

"as soon as you find yourself implementing the same thing twice, abstract it"

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iamlindoro:

meshe: For example, that functionality isn't even generic enough that I can use it to make the cover art browser SG aware

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iamlindoro:

It's pretty hard coded into the file scan code-- Would be so much easier to do:

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iamlindoro:

StorageGroup sg("Videos");

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iamlindoro:

QMap filemap = sg.ListFiles;

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iamlindoro:

er ListFiles();

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meshe:

that should be easy to write

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iamlindoro:

Not so easy, the SG code isn't intuitively obvious (to me at least)

[18:24:04]

iamlindoro:

but that said, there's an existing patch that can be worked from

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meshe:

it's probably a new function in the backend interface

[18:24:15]

iamlindoro:

or at least that part ripped out

[18:24:17]

iamlindoro:

yes

[18:24:35]

iamlindoro:

don't get in over your head, there are a *lot* of moving parts as you'll discover :)

[18:24:43]

iamlindoro:

If it were that easy, I would be finished with it :)

[18:24:57]

meshe:

that's why i have a dev copy of myth on my desktop :)

[18:25:33]

meshe:

the hardest part of myth for me is that I don't know C++, I have years of experience with OO programming and client server interfaces

[18:25:52]

iamlindoro:

I'll deal with the SG file list stuff, it needs to get done and I'm probably the only one who has been poking at that code lately

[18:26:08]

iamlindoro:

I would be thrilled if you got something done (probably based on that other patch) to convert us to SG only, though

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meshe:

i can poke at that

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meshe:

it will save work on future and current mythvideo patches

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iamlindoro:

And that will be largely SQL too so you'd probably be right at home

[18:26:57]

** meshe nods **

[18:27:30]

iamlindoro:

If you are feeling really helpful you can make it work for fanart/banner/coverart/screenshot too

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iamlindoro:

Which will be identical

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iamlindoro:

or awfully close

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meshe:

i guess that the concensus is to move to SG only for everything?

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iamlindoro:

I know I want to, I think sphery and gbee agree, not sure anyone else has strong feelings, or if they do they haven't mentioned

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meshe:

it offers more portability, so it makes sense to me

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kormoc:

I think we should move to raw binary packed device accesses, screw that filesystem layer

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meshe:

bah, just store all the files in the db

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meshe:

mysql can handle it

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meshe:

you can even stream from it

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kormoc:

I think you're onto something!

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** kormoc patches myth **

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kormoc:

Ahh, I love it when I add a commit to enhance functionality and I remove 4x the lines I add to make that functionality happen

[18:36:14]

kormoc:

mysql's date_format is amazing

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meshe:

i wrote a project like that, database backup and 2 modperl modules and you're up and running

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meshe:

zip files are streamed out of the db

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meshe:

kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/1394209

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meshe:

^ one of my gems

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meshe:

(slightly munged to remove company table schema)

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gbee:

kormoc: anytime you make a commit which removes lines, yet doesn't remove functionality or better yet adds new stuff, that's a win

[19:14:11]

gbee:

I'd love to know just the total LOC removed by the switch to mythui, but I failed to keep any record

[19:16:51]

iamlindoro:

ohloh?

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iamlindoro:

guess that mashes all the line oss together though

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iamlindoro:

line loss

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gbee:

hmm, what happened in Jan? http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/analyses/latest

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gbee:

dvdnav resync maybe :/

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iamlindoro:

Wowie, 500k lines, though?

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meshe:

i think it's interetesting that there's more lines of xml

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meshe:

than C++

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iamlindoro:

Only after stripping out comments

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meshe:

it's all the themes

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iamlindoro:

guess that counts themes, myththemes, and the xml in myth and mythplugins

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iamlindoro:

The QMap docs suck

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wagnerrp:

470k lines of C? what all uses C?

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wagnerrp:

i know the hdhomerun stuff uses C, basically copied directly from libhdhomerun

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wagnerrp:

but thats maybe a few thousand lines

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gbee:

it's all in the included third party libs

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wagnerrp:

and 7k of assembly

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iamlindoro:

yeah, libav* is all C

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iamlindoro:

and assembly

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meshe:

i came across 3 copies of md5.(c|h) last night, lots of copied libs

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wagnerrp:

71K for mythweb, plus whatever it has in xml and perl

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gbee:

all subtly different IIRC

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wagnerrp:

yeah.... 71930 as of rev20366

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meshe:

yeah, i didn't look too deeply, i was looking for an existing implementation of a checksum in the codebase but i got sidetracked last night by a mythweb feature i didn't know about,

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gbee:

deja-vu

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meshe:

i had to figure out why "grep -r *" on my mythsvn directory was causing the network to go crazy

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gbee:

best one to use would be whatever is provided by QT, assuming it was suitable

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gbee:

just because certain libs are included now doesn't mean they won't be removed, updated or replaced down the road

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meshe:

I'll look into that

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gbee:

but the QT dep is going nowhere

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meshe:

heh, that would be a rough transition

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iamlindoro:

Though it you can't find a good Qt one, the libavutil one is probably semi-safe

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gbee:

reason that I said deja-vu is because you are not the first person looking to use md5 for a new feature, I just don't remember who the last one was and what they were planning

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laga:

last.fm support

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meshe:

i guess that's dead

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meshe:

well, the streaming portion of it anyway

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kormoc:

Must... resist... telling... coworkers... to... die... in... fires...

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kormoc:

meshe, what mythweb feature?

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meshe:

kormoc: the symlink to the videos directory in data/video

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kormoc:

ahh

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meshe:

recursive grep follows symlinks

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kormoc:

Yeah, we're gonna remove that one of these days...

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meshe:

i ran grep -r md5 * and it started searching my media files on my production box across the network

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kormoc:

when the BE can actually stream us all the SG files and scan SGs

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wagnerrp:

pump the data over mythproto?

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kormoc:

that's the plan, aye

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meshe:

i didn't know that symlink was there so i was wondering wth was going on, i started to think ubuntu had a broken grep and it was wandering up to /

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kormoc:

heh

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meshe:

yeah, so btw, grep follows symlinks, someone submitted a patch to add an option to have it not, the response was: nice patch, but use find

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pfn:

grep -r is a stupid option

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pfn:

find ... | xargs grep

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kormoc:

because a option is stupid when you can do it in 30 more characters and require an extra buffer!

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AndyCap:

but it's not the eunuchs way!

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gbee:

people love their convoluted command line mashups for reasons I'll never understand

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iamlindoro:

!trout Qt give me something I can use here

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** MythLogBot slaps Qt with a give me something I can use here trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: this is unrelated to mythtv, but have you ever had problems uploading large files through PHP/POST?

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wagnerrp:

somewhere around 9MB, they fail

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wagnerrp:

i cranked up the max field size (or whatever the variable was) from 2MB to 24MB, but there still seems to be some functional limit

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kormoc:

there's a max post size and a max upload size

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kormoc:

and you also typically have to up the script execution time, as upload time can count against that (or used to at one point)

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wagnerrp:

its over the network, locally, so time isnt a problem

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wagnerrp:

checking for the post size

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wagnerrp:

ah, there is is! 'post_max_size=8M', thanks

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wagnerrp:

so the AspireRevo chokes on Hulu (flash)... no surprise there

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XLV:

and dell mini 10 ( gma 500 aka poulsbo ) chokes even on 720p wmv

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bulle:

XLV: isnt the poulsbo linux support just horrible at the moment ?

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wagnerrp:

should do fine if youre doing hardware accelerated playback

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wagnerrp:

although ive heard the poulsbo linux drivers are a horrid mess because of NDA protected hardware

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wagnerrp:

who even offers 720p wmv?

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wagnerrp:

besides maybe xboxlive downloadable content

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sid3windr:

hd pr0n ! :>

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bulle:

its not hd if its not 1080p !

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bulle:

well, imho

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wagnerrp:

so there is no HDTV?

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bulle:

sure is, but not much

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wagnerrp:

not in the US anyway

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bulle:

wagnerrp: i dont live in the US, so i do get hdtv =D

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kormoc:

meh

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kormoc:

I like widescreen stuff, but SD looks fine enough

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XLV:

in the specs poulsbo isnt supposed to be able to accelerate 1080p though, only 720p, is that so?

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jams:

hey kormoc know stuff about php and mysql transactions. Got a friend learning php and the code works except for the non-commiting of a transaction.

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kormoc:

jams, aye, what's up?

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jams:

http://pastebin.com/m5945db88

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jams:

there is the code, the idea is if one of the query statements fail then roll back and dont' commit.

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kormoc:

He likely has autocommit enabled or is using myisam tables

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jams:

autocommit is disabled (first thing I asked)

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jams:

myisam is a possiblity

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jams:

but the code itself looks ok?

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jams:

in other words it should work

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kormoc:

Well, he really should run a 'ROLLBACK' in the error else block

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jams:

ok

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kormoc:

and he should be using mysqli or PDO at least (or use mythweb's DB class, it's kinda nice :P)

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jams:

heh

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kormoc:

and there's the security issues there, but it should do what he wants

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jams:

he is two weeks into learning php

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jams:

coming from a java/jsp background

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jams:

making a webapp for his kids baseball division.

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jams:

thanks for the info, I will pass the info on.

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kormoc:

Yeah, he really needs to at least use mysql_real_escape_string to prevent injections

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meshe:

if it's myisam or autocommit is on, the commit should be successful either way, i'm pretty sure that mysql will just ignore the transaction statements in either case

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jams:

yes we talked about preventing injections

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kormoc:

Aye, which is why his 'rollback' wouldn't apply

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jams:

it's very possible it's myiasm. The isp is godaddy free edition

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kormoc:

99.9% sure it's myisam then :)

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jams:

he was showing me the control panel yesterday. One of the lines said something like "You can have up to 6 databases, but they must be named the same"

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meshe:

lol

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** kormoc blinks **

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jams:

i think they were attempting to say the same username must be used for the connection, but it was worded very poorly.

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TomasuAway:

I've been getting a strange problem with the mythshutdown stuff. For some reason myth will decide to shut my combined front/back end box down when a recording is paused

[21:09:28]

TomasuAway:

I paused a show, left to get some snacks from the store, and I come back to the machine shutdown

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TomasuAway:

it once did it while watching a show

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jams:

kormoc- do you know off the top of your head how to check the table? otherwise i can look it up.

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jams:

check the db engine

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meshe:

show create table $table;

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meshe:

show table status;

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jams:

thanks

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meshe:

either one

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kormoc:

^^

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meshe:

if you try to create a table that's InnoDB and the InnoDB storage engine isn't enabled on the server it will silently fallback to creating it as MyISAM

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jams:

right. The problem is all that is hidden behind a control panel

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jams:

he does have access via phpmyadmin

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jams:

its myisam

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meshe:

show variables like 'have_innodb';

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jams:

looks like he can create a db with innodb, or at least the control panel has the option.

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jams:

he says thanks

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meshe:

:)

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: I think your python bindings patch is corrupt, think you may have edited out too much of another hunk

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meshe:

i'm a bit of a mysql geek

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** jams tries to avoid mysql as much as possible. **

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meshe:

i've been working with it for years both server side and client side

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jams:

he would have joined freenode, but the great firewall is in the way.

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: When I submitted it then check the download it seemed odd. I will resubmit as a archive file, You can actually retrieve it through "Original Format".

[21:30:22]

RDV_Linux:

Thanks

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: if you edited the file to remove other hunks, you just edited out too much of one

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: This is probably a rookie mistake. The patch is only a one line change. I applied to my own code base and it made the change as I was expecting.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: more or less any patch that won't show up in trac is either huge or corrupt

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RDV_Linux:

I just resubmitted it as an archive file. Please try again and tell me what happens.

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iamlindoro:

If it's the exact same file, it's still not going to apply

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RDV_Linux:

Please send me the line I should be using to create a patch file in pastebin,

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RDV_Linux:

example command line

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iamlindoro:

svn diff /path/to/file.py

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RDV_Linux:

thanks, I will have another go.

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iamlindoro:

run it from within the root of your checkout

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iamlindoro:

so for example, svn diff mythplugins/mythvideo/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl

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iamlindoro:

and pipe it to a file

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iamlindoro:

svn diff mythplugins/mythvideo/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl > outfile.diff

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RDV_Linux:

I was definitely not doing it that way and always had to edit my diff file to match other patches. Thanks

[21:46:22]

RDV_Linux:

Thanks. Golly-ge-wow, is that how the pro's do it. Resubmitting in a second ot two. Doh

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Please try again, Hopefully I did not screw up.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: no way for me to check when you send tars :)

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iamlindoro:

send the diff

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RDV_Linux:

I am confused as the archive contains the patch.

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iamlindoro:

yes, but you can tell right off the bat (I'm at work) if the diff works by clicking it

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iamlindoro:

if you upload a tar for a 500 byte diff, I have to download it and attempt to apply it at home to check

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iamlindoro:

just attach the diff to the ticket

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RDV_Linux:

OK will do. learning can be hassle.

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meshe:

it's better than the alternative

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: patch looks fine now

[21:55:07]

iamlindoro:

(not the difference in clicking on it in trac)

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iamlindoro:

er note

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RDV_Linux:

I have a feeling my MythVideo patch may also be a mess. Investigating.

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RDV_Linux:

Thanks for your patience:-D

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iamlindoro:

np

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: At least the MythVideo patch seems OK. I was always editing the headings after creating the diff file. Well at least now I know. Thanks again.

[22:09:02]

iamlindoro:

no problem, that ought to simpliy your life

[22:09:06]

iamlindoro:

simplify

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iamlindoro:

Heh, "It is recommended to include it as soon as possible in mainstream code. Thanks."

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gbee:

hope that's just a translation issue

[22:42:29]

iamlindoro:

Probably is

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iamlindoro:

still funny

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sphery:

the arguing when a ticket is closed is /really/ annoying

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sphery:

whether arguing in the bug database or on the -dev list

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sphery:

OK, fine, maybe you're right and there /is/ a bug, but that doesn't mean that the bug report was good enough/contained enough information to allow us to identify/reproduce the bug.

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iamlindoro:

Make Myth subscription based, and make the price of subscription for 6 months a single patch getting committed ;)

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kormoc:

Then we'll have a billion 'Rename MythTV to MichaelDeanTV' patches to deal with! ;)

[22:46:09]

iamlindoro:

Heh, has to get *committed*

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iamlindoro:

So that one only works once. Then you have to name it something else. ;)

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kormoc:

"InfinityTV" "Well... InfinityTVPlusOne!" "Fine, InfinitityTVPLUSInfinity!"

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sphery:

what about when I have a bunch of patches in Trac and kormoc saves them all up and commits at once? Does the 6-months/patch run concurrently?

[22:47:44]

iamlindoro:

And you have to rename all the supporting stuff

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iamlindoro:

libInfinityTVUI

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kormoc:

The power of sed

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J-e-f-f-A:

"Because I 'sed' so!" ;-)

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kormoc:

That was Awkful

[22:49:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehe.. I knew somebody was going to say that... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

What are you going to du about it?

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kormoc:

I'm gonna fsck you up!

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iamlindoro:

That's right, ssh

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iamlindoro:

When I get back from the bathroom, I gotta leave an rlogin there

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** kormoc waits for the finger joke **

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iamlindoro:

Naw, you gopher it

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** sphery starts to wonder if disposing of that one CRT he was actually still using was a mistake... **

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kormoc:

Typically, if you were still using it, it was useful...

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sphery:

yeah, but it means that I can get an LCD that's easier to carry around (it's my "floating monitor" for use with whichever computer needs a monitor for initial setup or whatever)

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sphery:

unfortunately, it's going to make things a little more difficult until I get the new one :)

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iamlindoro:

So Assassins Creed 2 out in November/Decemberish

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iamlindoro:

in Renaissance Italy apparently

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iamlindoro:

neato

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kormoc:

Already?

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iamlindoro:

Guess so

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iamlindoro:

http://kotaku.com/5214809/ubisoft-officially- . . . holiday-2009

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iamlindoro:

sphery: "I specifically posted to the dev list because this is not a user issue, because it does not involve a stable version of myth."

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iamlindoro:

That'll learn ya!

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iamlindoro:

"I am confident that this is not a configuration issue, as I have been using linux for a while now and have been using myth for 3+ years."

[22:59:29]

iamlindoro:

If that's true then many of us should be misconfiguration proof :)

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sphery:

wow... I had no idea.

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sphery:

I'll go crawl under a rock.

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kormoc:

It's true, every time I misconfig anything, I just commit a fix rather then update the database entry

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kormoc:

it's easier that way

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sphery:

Stupid me for asking someone to post to the -users list where they're likely to find other users who can help them fix the issue.

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sphery:

kormoc: I wondered why so much keeps changing for no apparent reason... It all makes sense, now.

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kormoc:

I haven't actually told anyone to go die in a fire yet...

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iamlindoro:

Nor have you *set* anyone on fire

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iamlindoro:

which is good

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kormoc:

I ask, is it? Is it really?

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sphery:

How many people didn't spend the rest of their lives warm because of that?

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kormoc:

Indeed, won't someone think of the cold people?

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iamlindoro:

Prison is cold

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kormoc:

People must think I'm one of those open source mass murders...

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iamlindoro:

We all know they exist

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iamlindoro:

But to do it in style you have to defend yourself in court and creepily stare at the jury

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kormoc:

http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/

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kormoc:

Ooh, I totally do

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kormoc:

and I'm growing the beard again

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wagnerrp:

last time i was in court, there was some mexican who didnt speak a bit of english

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wagnerrp:

drove the DA nuts

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wagnerrp:

'do you have a lawyer?', "yes", 'what is his name?', "yes", 'your lawyers name?', "yes", 'what is it?', "who?", 'do you have a lawyer?'....

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sphery:

kormoc: Have you ever written a filesystem for Linux? If not, I don't think you have all the prereq's for an open source mass murderer.

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kormoc:

sphery, there was kormocfs v3, and v4 is in development right now...

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sphery:

ok, er, check that box off...

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** sphery makes a mental note never to go to the Pacific NW until kormoc is captured **

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** kormoc waits for sphery to forget **

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sphery:

after the extra work some of my patches have caused you, I'm genuinely afraid...

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** kormoc laughs **

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sphery:

wow, he's already made /.

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kormoc:

now I'm internationally notorious!

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kormoc:

I have?

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sphery:

ok, not really...

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kormoc:

sad

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kormoc:

that'd be an epic prank

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sphery:

I think we're all afraid to post what we've learned

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kormoc:

other then the 'never working again cause a google says I'm a mass murder' part

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sphery:

then you'd be the #1 Google hit for both the House of Commons (?) /and/ open source murderer

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meshe:

MythLogBot has already taken care of that

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kormoc:

Aye!

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kormoc:

MythLogBot won't be a thorn in my side much longer!

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** kormoc eyes MythLogBot **

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kormoc:

I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling bots...

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sphery:

And Paul Reiser could go back to being just a comedian when everyone forgets the old open source murderer

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sphery:

(now that his name has been tainted :)

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kormoc:

hehe

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** cesman wonders if an open source murdered is open who murders in the open **

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cesman:

or one who murders and tells people how they murder so they can improve upon murdering

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jpabq:

sphery: I replied to that guy on the -users list, to try encourage the discussion to be there. Don't know if it will stick, though.

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sphery:

seems like the 2nd approach could be useful for aspiring murderers

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sphery:

jpabq: Yeah, saw that... Thanks. Although there may be some specific bug, I'm thinking he just doesn't understand all he needs to understand to "work around the kinks"--something like what you mentioned.

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jpabq:

sphery: If he really is a veteran linux user, he should have already checked his load, etc.

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sphery:

yeah, though it's always hard to guage the accuracy of a person's self-measurement of experience level

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sphery:

if nothing else, though, it's likely to spur the conversation so many others can add their experiences/info

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jpabq:

It has been almost 20 years since I first used Windows 3, so I must be an expert at it, right?

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jpabq:

Is "My Worst Enemy" worth watching, or should I delete the season?

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sphery:

I deleted the season since they cancelled it (and canx'ed early)

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sphery:

I had heard it was really good, but I didnt' want to get invested if I don't get the rest of it... Then I'd feel about it like I do about T:TSCC...

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sphery:

I wanna know what happens, now, after that cliff hanger. :(

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jpabq:

I have not watched T:TSCC --- yet

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sphery:

it's basically cancelled. Everyone knows it, but Fox hasn't officially announced it (and likely won't--it just won't appear on the schedule).

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jpabq:

Life is probably my favorite show. It is also probably canceled, but at least the finished the season in a satisfying way.

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sphery:

I never really got into the Terminator franchise until that show. I really need the serialized-drama to get the kind of details/back-story that makes it interesting for me.

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sphery:

Oh, I hadn't heard that about Life. I love that show, too.

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sphery:

Still have all of this season to watch, though.

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sphery:

I think iamlindoro said of the 8 shows he watches, 7 are getting cancelled.

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jpabq:

Life is on NBC. They are canceling lots of stuff (even when it is good) to make room for Jay Leno.

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sphery:

Oh, and BTW, Better Off Ted is an /excellent/ new show to get into.

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jpabq:

I will try it.

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AnNahar:

xris, you around sir?

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jpabq:

My local NBC station SUCKS anyway. They like to interrupt the show with advertisements for their newscast and LOTTO information. In other words, they take the show out of HD, so they can put up a banner for 20 seconds, then go back to the show in HD.

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sphery:

jpabq: yeah, all my locals do that--and /way/ too often.

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sphery:

i.e. cut out the last 10mins of CSI: Miami so they can go to the newsroom for the "it might get cold tonight, so wrap up all your trees" weather info

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jpabq:

My local ABC and CBS leave the show in HD. Their banners also have transparent backgrounds, so it is not near as annoying as NBC. My local FOX does'nt interrup the show at all.

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sphery:

and the worst part is CBS affiliate has its own 24-hr news subchannel--but they couldn't trust us viewers to switch over if we felt like hearing about the poor plants and what a cold night might do to them.

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jpabq:

Heh

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AnNahar:

i dont get it. i changed my mythweb.conf accordingly, changed mythweb settings for force http, put port 80 under that, yet still media players cannot play my asx files

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AnNahar:

nor can i right click on an .asx link in mythweb and download it

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AnNahar:

basically, if i right click on an .asx link in mythweb and click save as, i can't even save it

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meshe:

AnNahar: did you check your apache error logs?

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AnNahar:

meshe, im restarting apache after removing logs to see if i can get just it

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meshe:

tail -f /path/to/my/apache/error.log works too

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AnNahar:

[Thu Apr 16 18:54:30 2009] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) `localhost.localdomain' does NOT match server name!?

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AnNahar:

not sure if that would be related

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meshe:

probably not

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AnNahar:

should it be error_log or ssl_error_log?

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meshe:

tail -f /path/to/my/apache/error_log /path/to/my/apache/ssl_error_log

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meshe:

depends on whether or not you are requesting data through http or https

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AnNahar:

i did what you said

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AnNahar:

and upon clicking on an .asx link in mythweb, the screen with tail is not moving

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meshe:

i can't help further from here since I'm at the office and not in front of a myth install

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