Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, April 15th, 2009, 00:07 UTC

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poerschr:

Anyone had any problems with s-video out in mythbuntu on a mac mini?

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iamlindoro:

Instead of asking a) for volunteers, b) with an extremely specific part of a specific piece of hardware, and c) for non-specific "problems," why not just say what your problem is and ask for help?

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Dagmar:

Because we'll tell him to go to #boxee

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sphery:

iamlindoro: did you see that Terminator: TSCC is done? http://www.tv.com/story/13921.html?tag=person . . . news;title;0

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sphery:

still not confirmed by Fox, but it likely won't ever be

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iamlindoro:

I guess I am not surprised, its ratings were abysmal

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sphery:

yep, but disappointing, nonetheless (especially after the season finale's cliffhanger)

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iamlindoro:

I'm still way behind

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** kormoc weeps for the terminators **

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iamlindoro:

Won't somebody think of the robots?

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Dagmar:

When the enemy robots send back a robot to fight on *your* side, it's a sign your side sucks.

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kormoc:

I keep wondering at all the old tech terms out there, why not just build all liquid metal ones and call it over

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TheDrunka:

Hi

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TheDrunka:

Is there a way I can control mythtv from an SSH session?

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TheDrunka:

Or from a web interface?

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clever:

mythweb exists

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clever:

and you can emulate a remote control(to control mythfrontend) thru TCP

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Dagmar:

There's MythWeb and a telnet interface.

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Dagmar:

They're documented on the wiki.

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TheDrunka:

So mythweb

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TheDrunka:

Does the telnet interface have a name?

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kormoc:

"The Telnet Interface"

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TheDrunka:

har-har

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TheDrunka:

Thanks, I'll look into them.

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clever:

though technicaly, it doesnt use the telnet protocol

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TheDrunka:

Ah, mythweb isn't exactly what I'm looking for.

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TheDrunka:

I was looking for a way to control what's ON the TV

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TheDrunka:

Sort of like a remote control

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Dagmar:

www.lirc.org

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TheDrunka:

I don't have an actual remote

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TheDrunka:

That's why I want to use a laptop or a phone or something

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iamlindoro:

Mythweb has a remote

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wagnerrp:

clever: if 'telnet' can access it, how is that not the telnet protocol?

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iamlindoro:

it's the thing you get when you click "remote"

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w0ls0n:

well I guess mythtv on freebsd is impossible

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wagnerrp:

it would seem to reason that the 'telnet protocol' is then just an open, unencrypted socket

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clever:

wagnerrp: thats just telnet acting as a bare tcp client and not getting any of the special telnet commands

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wagnerrp:

w0ls0n: i run mythtv on freebsd

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TheDrunka:

Wiki says I'd have to download the content and play it locally =/

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clever:

wagnerrp: there are several special escape codes in the telnet protocol to do tty related tasks

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w0ls0n:

wagnerrp: oh yea?

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Dagmar:

Might wanna go down to the department store and spend $12 on a configuratble replacement remote

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wagnerrp:

clever: ah

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clever:

mythtv doesnt use those, so its just a custom text protocol over tcp

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w0ls0n:

wagnerrp: you using 7.1? I been reading around and most people say the port is broken or they can't find a card that would work

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Dagmar:

FreeBSD is too old to run MythTV.

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Dagmar:

:)

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TheDrunka:

Don't I need an IR dongle, too?

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Dagmar:

Most of the time, yeah

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Dagmar:

They're about $15–30

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wagnerrp:

w0ls0n: sure, there is next to no tuner card support on freebsd

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w0ls0n:

what card do you have?

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: That's okay. TV reception in caves is piss poor at best anyway

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wagnerrp:

but that doesnt stop me from using that as my primary storage, my primary backend and scheduler, my upnp server, and accessing my HDHR over the network

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Dagmar:

Torhal: That's right, you'll be reading 100 pages of that soon

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: you know, freebsd is a newer project than linux

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Dagmar:

Yeah I know

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Dagmar:

It's like some people who are just born old and slow

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wagnerrp:

:)

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w0ls0n:

ah I just found http://wiki.freebsd.org/MythTV

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Dagmar:

You can spot them at Young Rpublicans gatherings

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TheDrunka:

Ohhhhhhhh burned

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TheDrunka:

That was Tina Fey quality

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wagnerrp:

w0ls0n: thats very antiquated

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wagnerrp:

i have never gotten my PVRs to work with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

but (at least on -fixes) my HDHR worked just fine

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wagnerrp:

although at the moment, im running it tunerless with trunk

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w0ls0n:

you're talking a bit over my head when it come to mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and while tunerless is an unsupported mode, i would rather have the primary backend where my file storage is

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wagnerrp:

however, with frontends, youre best off sticking with linux

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wagnerrp:

and you should really use linux for a backend too, unless you have reason against doing so

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w0ls0n:

ok thanks.

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phek:

has anyone used the aopen epc945-m8 for a mythtv set up?

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wagnerrp:

sounds like an Atom

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Dagmar:

-NEEDMOARMHZ

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wagnerrp:

anyway, the likelihood that someone in a channel that usually has less than half a dozen active users will have your exact board, is very slim

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wagnerrp:

so just go ahead and ask your real question

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wagnerrp:

so continue to idle

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wagnerrp:

your choice

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wagnerrp:

s/so/or/

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wagnerrp:

how would i go about deleting a job from the queue?

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tank-man:

go to job queue in settings/info

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wagnerrp:

the only place in the frontend i see any sort of listing of job info is system status

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tank-man:

yea

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tank-man:

highlight the job, press select, and pick delete

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wagnerrp:

ah, wasnt hitting enter...

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

queued up a bunch of crap through mythweb

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wagnerrp:

and then realized some of them defaulted to 'high quality' rather than 'autodetect' (lossless)

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wagnerrp:

before we have a repeat of last week... american idol seems to have run long again

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wagnerrp:

extend fringe if youre recording it

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iamlindoro:

thanks, will do

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wagnerrp:

because we all know how important karaoke is... its like we've all turned japanese or something

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Dagmar:

I like that this means there will be less commercials to remove

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clever:

wagnerrp: crap

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clever:

wagnerrp: too late to extend it

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clever:

it allready jumped over to 392(and the ir blaster failed with 92)

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clever:

i should add some hardpadding to it

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wagnerrp:

it wasnt as bad this time, fringe started about 3 minutes late, rather than last week's 8

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clever:

and something was scheduled to record right after

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clever:

so it cut things off exactly on the hour

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clever:

and i was trying to ff thru a comercial at the time so the playback shat itself

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clever:

the 1h recording is only 57mins long...

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clever:

back to watching the last 6mins

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wagnerrp:

well the credits roll at 1:00:53

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clever:

i think it started recording 3mins late

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clever:

there was ~60 seconds of idol

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clever:

at 56:14, they saved him and he is back home

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wagnerrp:

aww... you just ruined the ending

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clever:

lol

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clever:

they allways save somebody:P

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wagnerrp:

i didnt know whether or not they would win

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clever:

and it ended just as she was turning the light off

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iamlindoro:

clever, would you SHUT UP please?

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clever:

iamlindoro: you first:P

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iamlindoro:

I'm not the one spoiling television-- so do us all a favor and stuff it

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** iamlindoro wonders if clever is even remotely aware of what people think of him **

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clever:

13:06 < Chef|Writing> no clever seems to be the god they worship =P

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iamlindoro:

not in here you aren't

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clever:

there are several people in here who think that way:P

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iamlindoro:

No.

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Shadow__X:

what convo did i stumble into

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Shadow__X:

:)

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wagnerrp:

isnt there something along the lines of 'cleanliness is next to godliness'?

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clever:

i had a shower yesterday:P

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Shadow__X:

how long before that one

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clever:

i forget

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clever:

days, weeks, months?

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clever:

:P

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Shadow__X:

right

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thedarkone:

is there a way to make mythtv control on demand serivce in livetv mode?

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wagnerrp:

no, but you can add commands in lirc to push commands to an ir blaster

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thedarkone:

yeah but i tried it i couldn't figure it out

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thedarkone:

how to switch back to myth then to cable box then back to myth

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thedarkone:

if i stay on channel 1 aka on demand channel i can use comcast remote and watch on demand

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thedarkone:

what i wanted to do was stay on channel 1 then use ir blaster to dis and gage myth and goto comcast box then when i am done go back to myth control

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wagnerrp:

dis and gage?

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wagnerrp:

well i dont believe there is any way to do that easily currently

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thedarkone:

disconnect mythtv controls

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wagnerrp:

but, it probably wouldnt take a whole lot of code to add a command to myth to 'disengage' myth's reception of LIRC commands, and redirect commands towards the backend's ir blaster

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thedarkone:

yeah well i am no coder

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wagnerrp:

i know you can disengage all lirc functions, but i dont know if there is currently any mechanism to selectively disengage buttons

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thedarkone:

well if i disengage all can u reEngage them ?

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thedarkone:

by remote

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo and mythgame provide examples of disengaging the commands

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wagnerrp:

they disengage when you start an external program, and reengage when you exit back out

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wagnerrp:

there is a 'message' command in mythproto, i assume for sending arbitrary messages to the backend

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thedarkone:

i still looking for it

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kormoc:

Youch, the latest house was just brutal

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schdav:

i liked it

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schdav:

but yeah

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schdav:

chuck was terrible. they seem to be wrapping it up.

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mchou:

chuck? who's chuck?

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wagnerrp:

an actor, he did a bunch of vigilante movies

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schtinky:

does anyone have any information about the geographic distribution of myth users?

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schtinky:

I was shown a map of where the developers roughly are (mostly english speaking areas)

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iamlindoro:

I'm here, and wagnerrp is over there, and kormoc is over yonder

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wagnerrp:

primarily american, a decent chunk in england, some others scattered across europe, and a handful in australia

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iamlindoro:

But yes, predominantly in the US, Canada, and UK

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schtinky:

but I'm wondering about users. Is there any info about where mythtv is being downloaded from? Does mythtv's website use google analytics?

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wagnerrp:

very few people use the source packages from the website

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schtinky:

how heavy is the use in the rest of europe?

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iamlindoro:

schtinky, Even though there are various ways to determine that, it would never be shared

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wagnerrp:

they usually pull off subversion, or have use one packaged by their own distro

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iamlindoro:

People would go nuts, that's a violation of privacy

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schtinky:

yeah, I know. I recently experimented with mythdora and it was like night and day

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schtinky:

getting it set up

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schtinky:

iamlindoro, why wouldn't that info be shared?

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schtinky:

we're all open-source here, right?

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iamlindoro:

So? I don't want people sharing information about what I download or where I'm from, nor do I want anyone logging where I'm doing it from

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schtinky:

no, not about specific users

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iamlindoro:

It would be totally inappropriate to char that data

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iamlindoro:

share

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iamlindoro:

even demographic data, that's nobody's business

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schtinky:

I'm not looking for ip addresses :)

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iamlindoro:

and I am hardly the world's biggest privacy guardian, many people would *really* freak out

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schtinky:

Really? I find that surprising

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wagnerrp:

while that information is relatively harmless, its the principle of the matter

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schtinky:

it's a matter of where you draw the line

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iamlindoro:

If people *choose* to go to a web site and volunteer their geographic area and accept it can be shared, that's one thing, it's another entirely to gather demographic data without saying so and then share it

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schtinky:

google analytics does that every day for thousands of accounts

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schtinky:

people realize, at this point, that their geographic location is probably being logged when they go somewhere

[03:51:11]

schtinky:

well maybe not

[03:51:12]

schtinky:

but they should

[03:51:45]

wagnerrp:

every time you go to a porn site, there are 50 naughty nymphos from your home city all looking for sex

[03:51:48]

iamlindoro:

Jsut because Google analytics exists doesn't mean people should use it

[03:51:59]

schtinky:

they're always so hot :)

[03:53:16]

schtinky:

back to the question at hand... what is the saturation of mythtv in places like Japan or South Africa

[03:53:41]

iamlindoro:

Very very small, based on experience here and elsewhere

[03:53:47]

schtinky:

are we talking a handful of tinkerers in each or something like dozens per city?

[03:54:07]

schtinky:

if you had to take a stab at the number of japanese users...

[03:54:24]

wagnerrp:

i think ive seen one person in here from all of asia, ever

[03:54:35]

schtinky:

again, surprising

[03:54:38]

wagnerrp:

but that was from a question they asked, i dont typically check login addresses

[03:54:49]

iamlindoro:

I would be shocked if there were more than a few thousand Japanese users at most

[03:55:25]

schtinky:

for somewhere like south africa, less technocentric, but more europeanish... more or less?

[03:55:25]

wagnerrp:

now there is a South Africa MUG listed on the wiki

[03:55:43]

wagnerrp:

seven members listed

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schtinky:

huge

[03:56:15]

wagnerrp:

of course i doubt even one percent of people using mythtv list themselves as being part of a MUG

[03:56:35]

schtinky:

I don't

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iamlindoro:

You are going to find very very little Myth use outside of english speaking countries. Like it or not, Myth isn't a braindead install and setup, and the vast majority of the resources to get it working are in english

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iamlindoro:

So from what will already be a small group, you can further reduce the numbers in less developed or wealthy countries

[03:59:01]

schtinky:

judging from Mythdora, it's getting more brain-dead

[03:59:05]

RyeBrye:

Wow. This is a strange bug I just saw. I was watching a recording of American Idol, then saw a popup saying "Recovered from video error" – then it started playing some OTHER recording (a recent recording of Medium) interlaced with the current one I was watching. It was really really weird. I hit "p" and medium paused but the american idol kept playing... It wasn't entirely in interlaced frames – the top 1/3rd seemed to be all american idol

[03:59:20]

schtinky:

too bad mythdora isn't in 30 different languages

[03:59:23]

wagnerrp:

ok, a quick run through of MUG users on the wiki gives somewhere in the area of 120 listed users

[03:59:28]

RyeBrye:

I think I have mythfrontend runing with -v most right now

[04:00:16]

iamlindoro:

This is why VDPAU is no good for broadcast tV

[04:00:22]

wagnerrp:

i would imagine the total number of users worldwide would be somewhere in the 10k range

[04:00:35]

schtinky:

and I guess while we tend to have spare computer parts lying around, those parts are either non-existent or hard to find in even slightly less well developed areas

[04:00:56]

schtinky:

10k only? Hasn't the last version been downloaded 200k times from the mythtv.org site?

[04:01:03]

schtinky:

and that doesn't include snapshots and distros

[04:01:32]

wagnerrp:

how many times has mythtv been up on slashdot, or some other similar site

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RyeBrye:

It's just strange that vdpau made it randomly play another recording on top of the current one (that I had been playing a while ago – but not since I'd opened the frontend this time)

[04:01:49]

wagnerrp:

only to get a flood of people who download it to try it out, realize they dont have a tuner card, and delete it

[04:01:52]

iamlindoro:

I think it's higher than 10k, but far lower than 200k

[04:02:05]

cesman:

using facebook mathematics, KnoppMyth/LinHES has been downloaded over 3 million times

[04:02:20]

wagnerrp:

well there you go!

[04:02:27]

cesman:

I hearby estimate the value of KnoppMyth/LinHES at 750 million dollars

[04:02:34]

wagnerrp:

millions of mythtv users, hundreds belon'ging to MUGs

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cesman:

anyone want to invest?

[04:02:46]

iamlindoro:

I'd estimate that 1 in 4 attempts to install myth, through whatever method, actually yields a working, used system

[04:02:52]

wagnerrp:

how many shares can i buy for 37 cents?

[04:03:04]

cesman:

.037

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schtinky:

hell, I'd call it less than 1/4

[04:03:31]

iamlindoro:

I'm being generous at 1/4

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iamlindoro:

All told, lots of US and UK and Canada, and a very light smattering elsewhere at most

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schtinky:

you said UK again. You think the rest of Europe is scarce?

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iamlindoro:

compared to the UK, yes

[04:04:52]

schtinky:

compared to south africa?

[04:05:03]

iamlindoro:

UK has vastly more myth users than South Africa

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** cesman wonders when the UK became part of Europe **

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schtinky:

I mean let's say france or germany? less than the UK, but more than south africa and japan?

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iamlindoro:

mainland europe will be less than UK/Us/Canada but more than anywhere else

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schtinky:

sorry for all the questions... just trying to get a feel for it

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schtinky:

ok, that's what I assumed

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mchou:

schtinky: this is the wrong place to do market research

[04:06:44]

schtinky:

been a fun conversation anyway

[04:06:57]

schtinky:

and I'm not doing market research

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mchou:

schtinky: you could have fooled me

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mchou:

it's about as "fun" as "swag"

[04:08:25]

schtinky:

well I guess I'm doing market research in a loose sense of the term, but I'm not trying to sell anything to the mythtv community

[04:08:56]

mchou:

now "lethal weapon" and "south Africa", on the other hand, was fun

[04:09:14]

mchou:

"but but...you're black!"

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schtinky:

myth could use some help in the docs translation department, no?

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schtinky:

as could all open source projects, I guess

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wagnerrp:

myth can use your help wherever you want to give it

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iamlindoro:

Myth could use help in the english doc department

[04:10:01]

schtinky:

lol truth told

[04:10:35]

wagnerrp:

yes, theres probably 40 different howtos and guides floating around the internet, and none of them cover everything seamlessly

[04:10:46]

schtinky:

yeah, it's pretty hodgepodge

[04:10:52]

mchou:

who the hell cares

[04:11:06]

mchou:

the definitive docs are on mythtv.org

[04:11:19]

mchou:

no need to search elsewhere

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iamlindoro:

schtinky, The biggest problem is that the people who actually *try* to google for their solutions ends up finding some ancient howto, and it's tough to blame them for following it and failing

[04:11:32]

wagnerrp:

mchou: if there is good documentation, people might actually read it, and follow it, and successfully install mythtv

[04:12:01]

mchou:

wagnerrp: dude, you dont say where the official docs fall short

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iamlindoro:

schtinky, We need DMCA takedowns for bad howtos :)

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mchou:

wagnerrp: people not reading as nothing to do with godd docs or not

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mchou:

that's just aholes being lazy

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mchou:

good*

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schtinky:

I gotta side with wagner on this. I'm above average in the tech knowledge department, but I've had to really hunt for answers to snags

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schtinky:

and didn't find the docs on the site able to tell me everything I needed

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mchou:

baloney

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wagnerrp:

no, hes right

[04:14:17]

wagnerrp:

there are tons of people who come into irc, having never even looked for documentation

[04:14:29]

wagnerrp:

one has to wonder how they even found the channel in the first place

[04:14:51]

schtinky:

I will say the docs on the site are far better than most well-developed open-source projects

[04:15:00]

schtinky:

whoever did them deserves some applause

[04:15:02]

mchou:

schtinky: eveyone thinks they're above average

[04:15:14]

mchou:

everyone*

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schtinky:

well here I'm trying to be nice

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wagnerrp:

it all depends on your population

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** cesman doesn't think he is above average **

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cesman:

however, all the ladies say I am ;)

[04:16:15]

wagnerrp:

in terms of people as a whole, or even computer users as a whole, if you make it onto IRC, you are probably above average for computer knowledge

[04:16:23]

mchou:

cesman is legend in his own mind

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** iamlindoro hands cesman a ruler and a beer **

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schtinky:

I migrated a mysql database on to an esb volume on amazon ec2 today. I think that puts me firmly in the above average category

[04:17:28]

schtinky:

pass me the ruler

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mchou:

hahah

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schtinky:

and the beer

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mchou:

what a joke

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kormoc:

schlazor, mchou is a well known troll, it's best to ignore him

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iamlindoro:

schtinky, that is

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schtinky:

schlazor, I like that

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kormoc:

yeah, the active uy :P

[04:18:43]

kormoc:

*guy

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iamlindoro:

He's proof that no matter what you do in this channel, it is virtually impossible to get banned

[04:18:53]

mchou:

kormoc: and you're a doofus

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iamlindoro:

But I'm always hoping that today will be the day

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mchou:

iamlindoro: keep dreaming. I was here before you even knew what myth was

[04:20:01]

kormoc:

mchou, insults will not be tolerated, nor will swearing

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iamlindoro:

And I've done more for myth than you ever will. Yay, I win!

[04:20:22]

schtinky:

ahh, he's sucked you in to the trolling

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schtinky:

run!

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mchou:

kormoc: insults? You insulted me first by calling me a troll

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mchou:

kormoc: keep your incessant bleating

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cesman:

so much for bringing a bit of levity to the situation

[04:21:36]

** iamlindoro hugs it out with cesman **

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cesman:

iamlindoro: just don't grab my ass

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iamlindoro:

I promise, above the waist only this time

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cesman:

ok

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kormoc:

if only the ladies were that easy...

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iamlindoro:

I'm just waiting to make my moove

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mchou:

kormoc: since you dont tolerate insults, and since you've insulted me, why dont you stick to channel rules and ban yourself

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iamlindoro:

way not to let it go

[04:26:12]

iamlindoro:

Is it just me or did it seem all the D-bags were on vacation earlier this month?

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mchou:

iamlindoro: you don't even know what I've done on myth

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iamlindoro:

It was so pleasant in here for a while

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mchou:

iamlindoro: by definition if you're in this channel it cant be pleasant

[04:27:37]

iamlindoro:

yes dear

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Shadow__X:

i think iamlindoro is incredible pleasant

[04:31:35]

Shadow__X:

also dare i say humorous

[04:31:42]

Shadow__X:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, Let's not stretch believability ;)

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mchou:

Shadow__X: obviously you've not been around the block

[04:32:01]

iamlindoro:

But thanks!

[04:32:30]

Shadow__X:

i have been here for a few months and am used to old school stuff

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mchou:

Shadow__X: iamlindoro is the poster child for passive-aggressive

[04:32:47]

Shadow__X:

and am used to the irc

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Shadow__X:

i think iamlindoro is fine

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mchou:

Shadow__X: ol'skool? What ol'skool?

[04:33:38]

Shadow__X:

watch gran torino

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, I appreciate the support, bu you needn't waste your energy on him :)

[04:33:59]

iamlindoro:

s/bu/but/

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Shadow__X:

need not say more

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Shadow__X:

also without iamlindoro where are all the awesome themes gonna go!?!

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mchou:

Shadow__X: <iamlindoro> Shadow__X, I appreciate the support, bu you needn't waste your energy on him :)

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mchou:

Shadow__X: that's classic passive-aggressive behavior

[04:35:12]

mchou:

QED

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mchou:

iamlindoro: thanks for proving my diagnosis so quickly

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Shadow__X:

anyone care to read the marvel write up on wolverine

[04:37:10]

kormoc:

Is it any good?

[04:37:14]

Shadow__X:

apparently i did not know his real name

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clever:

logan?

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Shadow__X:

i read the comic books on and off

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kormoc:

James something wasn't it?

[04:37:49]

Shadow__X:

yeah

[04:37:59]

Shadow__X:

james howlett

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clever:

i guess you know more then i do:P

[04:38:18]

Shadow__X:

and the claws are part of his ability

[04:38:41]

Shadow__X:

i thought it was with the weapon x program when he got the adamantium infused in

[04:38:42]

kormoc:

Yeah, bone things

[04:39:10]

Shadow__X:

so what material are his claws

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wagnerrp:

bone

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kormoc:

Bone covered in adamantium iirc

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kormoc:

oh noes! The Administrator is here!

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wagnerrp:

even more impressive, it would seen its the second 'Administrator'

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Administrator_:

Fresh install of chatzilla

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Dagmar:

Clueless user

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clever:

never run chat progs as root(or admin)

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wagnerrp:

clever: its Windows, everything runs as admin

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clever:

oh god, he's screwed!

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clever:

:P

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Shadow__X:

well in vista and uax everything isnt admin right

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wagnerrp:

nope, youre still an administrator account

[04:43:58]

Shadow__X:

but it prompts you to allow admin functions

[04:43:58]

wagnerrp:

if youre not an administrator, it makes you provide the passwords for one

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wagnerrp:

rather than just ask you if you want to perform administrative functions

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Shadow__X:

hmm

[04:53:44]

wagnerrp:

apparently someone has fashioned a AK-47 replica out of bacon

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cesman:

hmmm bacon

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kormoc:

Bacon Explosion?

[04:55:02]

Shadow__X:

why would someone have so much bacon on hand

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kormoc:

Better to die happy with bacon in the mouth then old and healthy!

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kormoc:

and incase you've missed it, prank wars #7 is amazingly funny, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI7AUgp5fPI

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wagnerrp:

its almost painful to watch the realization sink into his face

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Shadow__X:

i personally link the jake and amir skits

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Shadow__X:

but i believe i am one of a few people

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, the timing was *perfect*

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wagnerrp:

anyone know anything about this hava titanium on woot?

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wagnerrp:

it seems to do HD component video capture, encoding to up to 20mbps mpeg2

[05:21:38]

RyeBrye:

Interesting

[05:21:55]

RyeBrye:

20 Mbps over 802.11g? they seem pretty optimistic

[05:22:04]

wagnerrp:

well it has an ethernet port too

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RyeBrye:

I've got 270mbps 802.11n and when I have a bad day even IT drops down to below 20 Mbps

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RyeBrye:

(for a few seconds at a time)

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wagnerrp:

they claim to support HD, and then they claim to be able to stream 'full D1'

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wagnerrp:

D1 is DVD resolution

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RyeBrye:

I'm guessing they neuter it

[05:24:08]

RyeBrye:

There's no pope hat on it, so it's not a product launch

[05:24:40]

RyeBrye:

I'm guessing if there was some awesome box that combined the HD-PVR with an HDHR and could be had for >$100 we'd have heard about it before now – but maybe not

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RyeBrye:

http://www.myhava.com/product_hava_titanium_hd.html is the product page

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RyeBrye:

I don't think it does HD streaming – seems at most to do D1

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RyeBrye:

"HAVA leverages proprietary wireless vBooster technology to deliver an optimal viewing experience."

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wagnerrp:

yep... there it is... 'cannot record at 720p or 1080p'

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wagnerrp:

480p only

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RyeBrye:

"leaves your existing 802.11g network intact. It is fully compatible with the 802.11 standard."

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RyeBrye:

Unless it creates an entirely new 802.11g network, I don't see how those two sentences mesh

[05:32:04]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt actually support 802.11g

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wagnerrp:

it has a usb port

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RyeBrye:

Ah. gotcha

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wagnerrp:

and it come packaged with their wireless accessory

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wagnerrp:

it comes with a g, apparently you can buy an n

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wagnerrp:

i found some video review, on some site called neo-fight.tv

[05:33:18]

wagnerrp:

'the technology show for the not-so-geeky'

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RyeBrye:

the thing that is unfortunate about N is the wide channel support – i.e. devices that support different kinds of wide channels are all called 802.11n

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wagnerrp:

wide channel? you mean it will use a 40MHz width?

[05:34:10]

wagnerrp:

anyway, they have a woman on there

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wagnerrp:

and theyre talking about recording two shows at once on there

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RyeBrye:

802.11n will basically use 2 20 Mhz channels, yes

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wagnerrp:

she makes the comment 'hopefully not in high-def. for that, you would need one terabyte!'

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wagnerrp:

'my computer would start smoking'

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RyeBrye:

That's awesome! :)

[05:35:48]

wagnerrp:

they have to have someone on staff who actually knows what theyre doing to run the site

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wagnerrp:

anyway, some of the non-standard G equipment will consume two channels

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RyeBrye:

ubuntu 9.04 supports the rt2860 chipset of 802.11n wireless cards out of the box very nicely – and they are cheap (around $40) and they support 802.11n with wide channels on the 2.4 Ghz range.

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wagnerrp:

rather, they will consume ALL the channels

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wagnerrp:

thats the problem with the 2.4GHz equipment

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RyeBrye:

Some of the wide channels use higher frequencies I think

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wagnerrp:

they have it use 20MHz by default, and then divide the channels up by 5MHz

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wagnerrp:

in the 5GHz band, the channels are actually separated by 20MHz, so there is no overlap

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RyeBrye:

My neighbors are all pretty dumb. I see 5 AP's on channel 6, one guy on 8, and then mine are on 11 and 1 (well, 1 and 3 for the N one)

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Shadow__X:

but if everybody is on 6 wont it make it go really fast

[05:42:47]

Shadow__X:

;)

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, synergy! :)

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wagnerrp:

1 and 3?

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RyeBrye:

I think so

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CCFL_Man2:

where can one get dvb-s cards in the US?

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wagnerrp:

3 overlaps with 1 and 6

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RyeBrye:

Hmm... maybe I'll move it to 11 and 9

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wagnerrp:

9 overlaps with 11, 8, and 6

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RyeBrye:

I'm kind of screwed though because wont 9 overlap with 6?

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thedarkone:

ccfl man2 ebay

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RyeBrye:

I should go to their houses and have them all move to 11

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CCFL_Man2:

thedarkone: whats a good card to use?

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wagnerrp:

1,6, and 11 are the only configuration that lets you have three full bandwidth channels

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mzb:

3 + 9 ?

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wagnerrp:

3 and 9 are far enough apart, but then you only get two channels

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wagnerrp:

and you still have to contend with the people running on 1, 6, and 11

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RyeBrye:

I need higher gain antennas

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mzb:

not as much overlap, though... and if you only need 2 channels I've found they're usually used less often.

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wagnerrp:

so.. you should use the two of 1, 6, and 11 which seem to have the least background noise

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RyeBrye:

I think that the wide channel for the 802.11n has to be 2 channels away from the primary one

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RyeBrye:

so 1 and 3, or 3 and 6, or 6 and 9, or 9 and 11, etc

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RyeBrye:

at least thats how the dropdowns in my dd-wrt implementation restrict my selection of the additional channel

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wagnerrp:

so then it only uses ~30MHz?

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RyeBrye:

Must be

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RyeBrye:

oh. Hmm

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RyeBrye:

maybe not. I will try picking a higher one :)

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wagnerrp:

nope, 40

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RyeBrye:

Cool. the driver for the rt2860 is smart enough to reconnect to the AP when I change the channels around.

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RyeBrye:

I jsut moved to channel 12 + 14

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RyeBrye:

who knows if that is even legal

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wagnerrp:

do you live in japan?

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RyeBrye:

if you work for the FCC... Yes

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wagnerrp:

and its got nothing to do with it being 'smart enough'

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wagnerrp:

it just wants to connect to a certain SSID code, and will do so on whatever channel it finds it

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, but I've had cards and drivers that were so crappy they wouldn't even try to reconnect period

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wagnerrp:

that should be a function of the driver, not the card

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wagnerrp:

well, i guess not

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wagnerrp:

that should be the duty of your wireless manager

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wagnerrp:

NetworkManager, wpa_supplicant, whatever it is Windows and OSX calls their respective programs

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clever:

i feel that the kernel side driver should do everything it can to connect, and reconnect to the configured ap

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wagnerrp:

either way, its not the fault of the card

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wagnerrp:

the card should only do something when the driver tells it to

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clever:

ive read of config options in my driver on how many missed beacon packets before it attemps to reconnect

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k-man:

anyone know if this device could run mythtv? http://www.beyonwiz.com.au/DP_P1_overview.asp

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wagnerrp:

that site is painfully slow

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wagnerrp:

anyway, im going to go out on a limb and say no

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k-man:

yeah – i didn't think so either

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wagnerrp:

even if you could hack it and get linux running on whatever chip they have (for all i know they are already running linux)

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k-man:

i think at the moment, the best front end is a mac mini

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wagnerrp:

youre not going to have the specs for the DSP they use for video decoding and playback

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv wouldnt have support for hardware decoding on said DSP anyway

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stuarta:

mornin

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wagnerrp:

evening

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** stuarta twiddles thumbs **

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** wagnerrp copies thousands of lines of bibliography data into a citation manager **

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** stuarta twiddles wagnerrp's thumbs **

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wagnerrp:

stop that!

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stuarta:

heh...

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** stuarta runs out of things to twiddle **

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laga:

slacker

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wagnerrp:

if only i had picked a webapp that supported import from file, as opposed to import from a tiny little text box

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stuarta:

not much todo when stuck in a data centre with only a windows laptop and nothing to break :(

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wagnerrp:

you British and your misspellings...

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** stuarta is australian :-p **

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wagnerrp:

awesome! i just hit a block of data written by someone who doesnt know how to properly use bibtex

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wagnerrp:

the importer is barfing on it

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that these files have been handed down for probably a decade

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea who made these edits

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stuarta:

oh well

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wagnerrp:

i was able to make them functional with a bit of sed

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stuarta:

good ole sed fu

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wagnerrp:

im also getting a bunch of duplicates

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wagnerrp:

to be expected when people are manually editing a file several thousand lines long, with several hundred entries

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sid3windr:

hmz

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sid3windr:

" programs, using B () out of 869 GB (240 GB free)."

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sid3windr:

my frontends&mythweb don't see any recordings anymore :o

[09:01:26]

sid3windr:

There are no shows scheduled for recording.

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sid3windr:

wtf.

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sid3windr:

aha, crashed tables :o

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wagnerrp:

good luck with that one

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sid3windr:

previous recordings are back now :)

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sid3windr:

and scheduled recordings as well after a backend restart

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sid3windr:

gah

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nido:

does anyone know of a DVB-T card which would accept smart cards (and preferably works with mythtv)?

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Sulx:

nido: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_Devices

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sid3windr:

I don't have it myself, but the satelco easywatch dvb-t should be able to

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sid3windr:

at least it has a 80pin connector for the reader

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nido:

Sulx: thanks

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sid3windr:

dunno how the linux support of it is – I have a dvb-c and dvb-s version of that card.

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gbee:

sid3windr: sorry to hear that

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sid3windr:

gbee: to hear what? :)

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gbee:

that you have the DVB-S Satelco, I have one too and it's not that great :/

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gbee:

unable to pickup certain muxes without massive signal errors

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oobe:

wagnerrp, i got this script working perfect now i echo -s wouldnt work though so i changed the first instance of nc to output to a temp file then made it cat the temp file to prevent it hammering that port

[10:03:51]

oobe:

http://pastebin.com/m6244f776

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gbee:

have ffmpeg changed their command line args yet again? Stupid thing is telling me that mp3 is not a valid encoder

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stuarta:

certain distros don't compile mp3 in due to patents

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stuarta:

you have to recompile yourself to fix

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gbee:

I have, with --enable-libmp3lame

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gbee:

always build ffmpeg from source

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stuarta:

dunno then

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janneg:

gbee: it's libmp3lame

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gbee:

janneg: ok cool, that's changed then, definately used to be mp3

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sid3windr:

gbee: oh :( I haven't hooked it up yet ... :)

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gbee:

work for 98% of muxes/channels that I tried, but not the remaining 2%, ended up buying a brand new larger dish, new lnb, remounted it higher up the wall, new cable etc before realising that the card just didn't work

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gbee:

second hand Nova-S connected to the same equipment worked perfectly, excellant signal quality

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Defense|User:

Hi, i just installed mythtv on fedora. i was wondering why myth is recording everthing i watch so i went to the FAQ and read the answer.. but now i have another question: is there an option to let myth delete every "watch-record" as soon as i quit the frontend?

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loki_666:

Defense|User: livetv gets deleted after 24h

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loki_666:

but i don't think its possible to delete live tv when you quit the frontend

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loki_666:

how do you handle that kind of setup when you are in configuration with multiple frontend?

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Defense|User:

loki_666: ok if it gets deleted after 24h it is also ok i thought it would be there until it reaches the point where the space-limit would be hit :)

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tank-man:

whats wrong with letting it hit the space limit?

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tank-man:

livetv recordings have the lowest priority i think and get deleted first

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loki_666:

no it gets delete after 24h, but if you are running out of space it get deleted before to free space

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Defense|User:

tank-man: i dont want to creat a seperate partitoin for it and i want to use the box also for other purposes

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loki_666:

the backend (which is where livetv is stored) is usually a dedicated system

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Defense|User:

loki_666: also on dedicated servers it could be that i would like to do more than only mythtv ;-)

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tank-man:

so as you download a large linux iso for example, as you run out of disk space, and if you have mythtv to delete old/low priority recordings, myhtv will automatically detele stuff till you get the slack space you specified

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Defense|User:

tank-man: but i think there it could be a question how fast the incoming trafic would be an maybe hte download would stop before myth would del the records..

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Defense|User:

but if it gets delete after 24h everything is fine

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Defense|User:

hm next problem... when i switch the channel i loose my sound :-/

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tank-man:

even if not deleted after 24 hrs, you have nothing to worry about

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at0m:

Defense|User, or set up to keep a couple GB extra spare

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at0m:

Defense|User, but not having a dedicated mythtv partition, your disk will be fragmented like mad

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Defense|User:

hmm maybe i should create a ram-disk :p

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at0m:

yes, very fail-safe =]

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loki_666:

at least /var should be separate partition (it's always a good practice even for desktop system)

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loki_666:

i usually crate 4 partitions / /boot /home and /var

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loki_666:

size depends on system usage

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loki_666:

Defense|User: about your sound issue, you should check if the sound is recorded in the livetv files by trying to play them with an other player (outside of frontend, ie:mplayer)

[12:15:44]

loki_666:

if you have sounds it's probably a frontend issue, if not its a bakend issue

[12:20:46]

gbee:

these days I'd recommend a dedicated disk for recordings/media

[12:21:03]

gbee:

loki_666: I just create three, / /home and swap

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Defense|User:

loki_666: the files have sound so its a front-edn issue... :/

[12:31:17]

Defense|User:

any ideas?

[12:32:13]

loki_666:

gbee: for desktop it's ok but for servers a separate /var is always a good choice like for backups or is best is having /var on a nas

[12:32:38]

tank-man:

something else could be using a different audio daemon (?) and blocking mythtv from using the sound card (like artsd and alsa running at same time)

[12:35:01]

loki_666:

Defense|User: if you play back your live tv from the recorded programs menu, doest is have sound?

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stuarta:

sounds to me like someone is using mythtv to "watch tv"

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sid3windr:

and what is wrong with that? :P

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loki_666:

stuarta: so i'm using mythtv mainly yo watch tv

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stuarta:

that's what the tv is for :-p

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sid3windr:

but I don't have a tv, I have a frontend with a tft ;/

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sid3windr:

(and I don't want a dvb-c, s and t decoder around my tv, that's what myth is for :>)

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loki_666:

stuarta: i can "watch tv" an pause it

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** stuarta removes tongue from cheek **

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sid3windr:

HAH.

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sid3windr:

upgrading to 2.6.29.1 seemed to have made my dvb-c card a bit better. unfortunately it broke nfs :[

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** stuarta goes to hunt for more food in the fridge **

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Defense|User:

hm the funny thing is that when i "scroll" forwards or backwards in the new channel i have sound again..

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loki_666:

check the mythfrontend.log maybe there is info in it

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HappyHater:

I need some help, all of my recording have a high pitched background noise I can't figure out how to get rid of

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Defense|User:

loki_666: where can i find it?

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Defense|User:

loki_666: ?

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Defense|User:

i can find the backend log but not the frontend log

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gbee:

depends on your distro

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gbee:

and if you are running mythfrontend manually then you need to specific "-l mythfrontend.log"

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Defense|User:

gbee: ok thx

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Defense|User:

hm what does "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" mean

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Defense|User:

as far as i can see it the problem is the it occurs and underung just after it started buffering

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Defense|User:

2009-04–15 15:14:44.462 NVP(0): prebuffering pause

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Defense|User:

2009-04–15 15:14:44.505 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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Defense|User:

the funny thing is that i think it was already woring this morning...

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loki_666:

buffer underrun means thats you are playing a stream but there is not enough audio data to fill the buffer, there could be alot of cause for this

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loki_666:

the prebuffering pause could be to short, but i dont know how to increase it

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Defense|User:

ok thx..

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Defense|User:

hm another quick qustion... how can i scroll the epg-text in the lower part which i can see while liveTV watching?

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stuarta:

EFEATUREDOESNOTEXIST

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loki_666:

Defense|User: i dont think that's possible

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HappyHater:

I need some help, my audio in both livetv and recordings has a high pitched background noise

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honk:

blame your tv signal ;p

[14:03:22]

HappyHater:

would that be what its coming from? in windows mce I didn't notice it

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sid3windr:

driver perhaps?

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HappyHater:

I've got a hvr-1600, using the v4l driver

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gbee:

iamlindoro: for some screens it is possible to 'fuse' variables, <template>%TITLE% – UBTITLE</template>

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gbee:

only applies where the text was set using a map, so it's hit/miss but it's there where most people would find it useful

[14:18:30]

iamlindoro:

but look at the context in which he meant fure

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iamlindoro:

fuse

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gbee:

heh, you've even covered that further down the page

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iamlindoro:

he's talking about things like "yearsstars", and "titlesubtitle" which (AFAIK) are set in code, no?

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gbee:

ah, yeah sorry, I wasn't really reading it, just skimming over

[14:20:39]

iamlindoro:

I assume this is the same guy who posted his new blootube-wide PBB screen on the users list

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iamlindoro:

The one whose screenshot is filled with stolen material :)

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gbee:

and which showed great care in alignment and font choice

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gbee:

hey, someones taking a interest, that's good

[14:26:45]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, definitely

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iamlindoro:

Wondering if maybe there should be a theming mailing list

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gbee:

if it's the same guy he's not a novice, wasn't he the one who did elkin-wide?

[14:27:37]

iamlindoro:

I assume it's the same guy

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gbee:

oh definately the same guy posting the blootube shots, look at his email addy

[14:28:07]

iamlindoro:

and the XML is in the elkin-wide directory :)

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gbee:

heh, missed that

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gbee:

personally if I'd ported blootube I would have curved the menus

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gbee:

yes, I know I never committed that code :/

[14:29:27]

gbee:

accidently wiped the patch and didn't feel like doing it all over again

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iamlindoro:

Didn't even know such a think had existed

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iamlindoro:

thing

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_curvedlist5.png

[14:30:37]

gbee:

not a mockup

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iamlindoro:

neato

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gbee:

simple quadratic bezier curve equation

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iamlindoro:

I do wonder about a theming list, though-- an "if you build it they will come" sort of thing-- if there was a place to ask the questions, think more people might start?

[14:32:31]

gbee:

wouldn't really be hard to redo it, but I'm overloaded atm

[14:32:46]

gbee:

iamlindoro: it's a good idea IMHO

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iamlindoro:

I believe that even the bare documentation we've got at the moment has helped getting peopel at least tinkering, maybe a place to ask questions wouldn't be bad

[14:33:31]

iamlindoro:

too early to type well, gah

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gbee:

maybe a 'Good theme tips and tricks' page on the wiki too, something laying out basic rules for producing a well finished product

[14:34:22]

gbee:

such as 'Alignment, alignment, alignment' ;)

[14:34:42]

iamlindoro:

"Don't mix serif and sans fonts, numbskull!"

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gbee:

"Black drop shadows on white text is so 1990s."

[14:36:58]

iamlindoro:

On a potentially explosive topic, and then I'll go to work and avoid what will certainly be fallout, it seems from an outsiders perspective that the number of committers is way too small for the number of backlogged tickets, and that having at least two maintainers per screen or plugin would be a rullah good idea

[14:37:02]

iamlindoro:

and now I go!

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gbee:

"Don't use effects such as reflection just because you can, pick a style and stick with it"

[14:38:46]

iamlindoro:

Well, I go once I say that maybe it would be nice to get 10 or so more committers in who have time an inclination to work on things, and that mayyyyybe sometimes it seems like a certain lead dev just wants to preserve his tiny club rather than see things move quickly

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iamlindoro:

now I go for real!

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gbee:

want me to disagree? I've already managed to get one person commit access this month, might stretch that to two, but I can't be the only one petitioning

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iamlindoro:

I don't *want* anyone to disagree, it's just that I've been around long enough to have at least a modicum or respect around here and don't want to blow it challenging the status quo :)

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gbee:

honestly I believe that things would be different if Chutt wasn't so busy, I did far less that some people here before I earnt commit access, but he's too distracted to notice unless someone brings it to his attention

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stuarta:

gbee: you can always recommend someone

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iamlindoro:

For reference I definitely *don't* mean myself (god help us all) but there are at least two people I can think of who have done massive stuff where I just wonder why they wait ages on tickets that always get committed untouched

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gbee:

stuarta: I have, I pushed for gnome42 – helped that danielk was already doing the same though

[14:43:43]

gbee:

there are a couple of others I'd recommend too, might help if more than one person put forward the same names

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stuarta:

it does help i believe

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gbee:

well maybe I'll speak to Chutt later and if the others who read this in scrollback do the same ...

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gbee:

I'm more likely to notice someone who is pushing good patches in areas of the code that interest me btw – there are probably other people who deserve commit access but never caught anybodies attention

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hume:

hi...I have an issue with importing DVDs with myth. I use the frontend, and it starts ripping (as iso-file), and during the rip, a file appears in my videos-catalog. But when ripping is finished, that file has disappeared – so I am left with no file.... no error msgs, nothing. what to check, what to try?

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hume:

oh, it is running on either a mythbuntu box or an ubuntu jaunty box (tried on two)

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** iamlindoro grumbles about people writing users list messages to the dev list and complaining about issues with trunk as "WAF irritant." **

[15:18:10]

mkrufky:

THIS developer was afraid to use trunk due to ALL the warnings in the wikis

[15:18:19]

mkrufky:

why would a user have the balls to use it and then complain?

[15:18:37]

mkrufky:

anyway, since today is FAIR GAME.........

[15:18:48]

mkrufky:

wikipedia took down that "follow the leader" featured character

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mkrufky:

i wonder..........

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iamlindoro:

Yes, it's "say what you want day" in mythtv-users :)

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: It's entirely possible someone did it to keep from ruining the surprise

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iamlindoro:

It is a wiki :)

[15:19:23]

mkrufky:

could be

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mkrufky:

i wonder if they were asked to remove it

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iamlindoro:

or if someone just logged in and did so

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mkrufky:

anything is possible

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iamlindoro:

It could be that wikipedia is unstuck in time

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gbee:

that particular user is hardly a newbie, he should know better

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gbee:

well, let his wife divorce him, his fault and not ours

[15:30:29]

iamlindoro:

I'm waiting for the first to arrive

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iamlindoro:

er third

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iamlindoro:

Since he appears to be documenting each problem as part of a trilogy

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iamlindoro:

"3 Minor problems: #1 Tearing in OSD"

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iamlindoro:

"3 Minor Problems: #2 Intermittent Playback Freezes"

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iamlindoro:

I just want to see how the story ends!

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gbee:

just heard that they've cancelled the series, you'll never find out

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iamlindoro:

Figures

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mkrufky:

lol unstuck in time

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iamlindoro:

As I am the touch of death for any series

[15:35:10]

iamlindoro:

Of the 8 or show shows I watched at the beginning of this season, 1 of them appears to be returning next season

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iamlindoro:

8 or so

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mkrufky:

then dont watch true blood — its coming back in 2 months

[15:36:56]

** iamlindoro makes a note to watch mkrufky's show to spite him **

[15:37:31]

iamlindoro:

Oh, and when will you have the channel scanner all fixed up? KTHXBAI

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iamlindoro:

;)

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** stuarta is trying to hack on that **

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iamlindoro:

stuarta: I only tease mkrufky because he's a v4l dev and because I helped him get the channel scan branch compiled so now he owes PATCHEZ

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iamlindoro:

;)

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stuarta:

hah

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jams:

hey no jinxing true blood

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mkrufky:

hi

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mkrufky:

umm

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iamlindoro:

hi yourself, sailor

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mkrufky:

yeah i guess that all happened BEFORE i started posting gloomy facebook status lines

[15:42:23]

mkrufky:

now i havent had any time to work on it

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mkrufky:

sorry

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mkrufky:

one day ... hopefully BEFORE its released :-/

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** sphery agrees with iamlindoro's :17 after the hour grumble **

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sphery:

I guess #3 is still on its way

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iamlindoro:

3 Minor Problems: #3 every third e-mail gets deleted

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

The Colbert ISS Node naming is a SHAM

[15:47:42]

iamlindoro:

It's a small thing, but irritating

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Shadow__X:

send 4 emails

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Shadow__X:

:)

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sphery:

Funny that so far--with the 2 minor problems he's mentioned--only one solution is necessary: if you don't want an unstable MythTV box, run the stable version!

[15:48:17]

iamlindoro:

Not only ignore the vote, but ignore the runner up and tell the hundreds of thousands of voters to suck it

[15:48:43]

iamlindoro:

hundreds of thousands of voters who actually cared when the averga person doesn't give a crap about you

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iamlindoro:

Well #3 is in

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iamlindoro:

why does he keep sending these to the wrong list?

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stuarta:

stupid?

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iamlindoro:

Got it in one

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Shadow__X:

whats the last issue of his?

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iamlindoro:

blah blah channel listings blah blah

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iamlindoro:

Something about how his local broadcaster has a different description than schedules direct

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sphery:

iamlindoro: and it's almost definitely DB breakage causing that

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sphery:

i.e. nothing to do with trunk

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sphery:

so, definitely not going to see a response from me on -dev

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sphery:

The "Block HD Commercials?" seems to think that FOSS users are all about breaking laws...

[16:00:33]

meshe:

"but all of my problems are bugs, never pebkac"

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sphery:

from the /he/ is bugging me standpoint, we could agree with that...

[16:01:55]

meshe:

</sarcasm>

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sphery:

yeah, I was just finding a way to agree :)

[16:02:16]

meshe:

hehe

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meshe:

my favorite ticket in our helpdesk tracker was from a customer service employee, the subject of the ticket was: "My chair is squeaking", closely followed by "I need speakers for my computer so I can listen to my mp3s" <-- which are agains't company policy

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sid3windr:

computers are against company policy?

[16:04:54]

meshe:

music mp3's on them are

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meshe:

bring an mp3 player

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sid3windr:

why is the mp3s on the computer against policy and the mp3 player not :/

[16:05:45]

meshe:

because we don't own the mp3 player and hence aren't responsible for the content on it

[16:06:39]

wagnerrp:

can you stream mp3s?

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meshe:

yup

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wagnerrp:

because then technically, the only content on there is what is in-flight in the memory

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clever:

wagnerrp: some browsers may cache the mp3 data on disk

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meshe:

basically, the company isn't going to buy you speakers so you can listen to music, especially when there are probably 4 people in close proximity to you. even just buy headphones and plug them into the headphone jack on the computer

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wagnerrp:

'but i have to crawl behind the compuuter, i could get electrocuted!'

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clever:

lol

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meshe:

yeah, and my chair is squeaking!

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wagnerrp:

i kid you not, someone my sister works with had a mouse that wasnt plugged in all the way

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wagnerrp:

she wouldnt go behind the computer and check for fear of electrocution

[16:09:41]

meshe:

i'm not suprised

[16:10:41]

meshe:

i used to build computers for people and support them after, I would get them to help me build it and explain what all the parts were and let them put some/most of it together

[16:10:59]

meshe:

amazing how much it helps people to not be afraid of computers

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sphery:

Yeah, the "Block HD Commercials?" guy (now the "Why has no one implemented subtext commercial filtering?" guy) is a) clueless and b) not even reading/accepting the responses he's getting.

[16:17:18]

wagnerrp:

sphery: youre not quite understanding what he wants

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wagnerrp:

he doesnt want to use mythtv

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sphery:

Perhaps he should just ask the question he seems to want to ask, "How can I steal encrypted TV content that I don't pay for from my cable company using Myth?"

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wagnerrp:

he wants some device that sits there and scans for commercials

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wagnerrp:

if it sees a commercial, it blacks out the feed going to the tv

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pheld:

The latest QtWebKit should support full page zoom. Is it available in mythbrowser if it is built against Qt 4.5?

[16:18:05]

sphery:

heh, so, why would he be posting on the Myth mailing lists...

[16:18:13]

wagnerrp:

because hes clueless

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wagnerrp:

as evidence by the fact that in his world, the cable company broadcasts using HDCP

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wagnerrp:

his research told him so

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sphery:

and, why do a system that only does LiveTV (with no pause/rew/ffwd) and just blacks out commercials... Why not just record and skip commercials?

[16:19:26]

sphery:

Yeah... definitely clueless.

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wagnerrp:

my dad uses such a system daily

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wagnerrp:

its a combination of the 'mute' and 'prev chan' buttons

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sphery:

heh

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sid3windr:

=)

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meshe:

my parents use myth for livetv with pause, ff, rew and the channel guide

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meshe:

my mom at least uses it to record her soap operas when my dad is watching car shows

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wagnerrp:

hahaha.... it seems NASA is going to install a Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Tredmill on the ISS

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: So freaking stupid

[16:29:58]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: IMO they shot themselves in the foot

[16:30:27]

iamlindoro:

The whole vote was ostensibly to get people interested, but the only thing they showed is that they're a bunch of nerdy dicks in the end who don't actually care

[16:30:27]

wagnerrp:

by not naming the module after him?

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

i could agree with that

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iamlindoro:

I would love to know what they feel they would love by naming the stupid node after him

[16:31:02]

iamlindoro:

er they would lose

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tank-man:

they should name it colbert (hard t, not soft t)

[16:32:57]

iamlindoro:

Was chatting with friends about it, had they named it after him, *so* many would have come away with the impression that NASA were cool guys who got a joke

[16:33:02]

iamlindoro:

now they just look like tools

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wagnerrp:

i think the whole ISS is a mistake, but thats besides the point

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: seems it's just so hard to explain something to someone who wont listen

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

People who learn all the terms but jumble up where they apply are dangerous

[16:52:13]

_abbenormal:

huh

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wagnerrp:

_abbenormal: the 'block hd commercials' thread

[16:52:43]

_abbenormal:

what did you say

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_abbenormal:

i was being a smart ass

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_abbenormal:

lol

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wagnerrp:

its not what was said, its how many times it needed to be said

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_abbenormal:

agree once should do it but some takes more

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mzb:

my ears are stuck on back to front and upside down, so I awlayz haev that prolbem

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_abbenormal:

but then you have to look at the what i heard thing is not what was said thing

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** mzb points out that he's not British ... and runs for cover. **

[16:54:38]

_abbenormal:

and hi wagnerrp and iamlindoro

[16:54:50]

iamlindoro:

hola

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wagnerrp:

probably doesnt help with the one guy commenting that the 'hd-fury becomes part of the tv'

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mzb:

that hurts my ears/eyes

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iamlindoro:

I was trying to figure out if he meant it as tongue in cheeck or not

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mzb:

and tangles my nuerones

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wagnerrp:

i think the smilies meant it was a joke

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wagnerrp:

i *hope* the smilies indicated it was a joke

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** mzb wonders if any more beer would help **

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mzb:

make me think of someone throwing a toaster (plugged in) at the TV ... but maybe that's just me ;)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Parental_Controls

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iamlindoro:

What in the HELL is that page?

[17:04:16]

iamlindoro:

"It's a starting point, so please edit this page to add more detail and to make your requirements known. Ultimately, this page will be used to create a set of technical specifications for a developer to follow."

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iamlindoro:

Uhhhhhhhhhh who is they think will be doing that?

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mzb:

looks like someone has gone to a bit of effort

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olejl:

I have setup a new PC with Ubuntu 9.04 and MythTV trunk, but keep getting some database errors when starting mythfrontend http://pastebin.com/m59ffb7e7. Anyone know what could be the problem?

[17:06:40]

mzb:

rofl: * Allow child to ask spot parent authorization. The parent receive a mail or SMS and can enable the child to view a content.

[17:06:48]

mzb:

last line kills me

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mzb:

I can just imagine a child <10yo texting parents to say 'Mummy, MythTV has locked me from watching Bob The Builder can you unlock it for me?"

[17:08:36]

** mzb wonders what Bob would have been doing with Wendy to change the parental rating, but the point stands ;) **

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mzb:

parent types in response: "Get a life kid. There are more things to play with in the house than TV. BTW, what are you doing at home by yourself?"

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tank-man:

olejl, did you compile plugins against a different versiion of mythtv maybe?

[17:14:19]

olejl:

no I checked out everything at the same time

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tank-man:

did you try with a new database instead of upgrading?

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mzb:

that being said, I do like "limiting viewing time", and "similar system for LiveTV and recorded shows" ... but that's not really the point, I guess.

[17:16:09]

** mzb retires **

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olejl:

yes I droped the old one and created a new one, but maybe something happend on my last svn update, because when I try to svn update again I get a lock error

[17:17:28]

olejl:

Also I found this when seraching around: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6344

[17:17:44]

olejl:

*searching even

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olejl:

but then again it is supposed to be solved in the revision I'm running

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iamlindoro:

Nice, Galactica full series on Blu Ray

[17:54:39]

XLV:

bsg?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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** iamlindoro wonders what other Galactica he could mean **

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kormoc:

Galactica kneels before Zod!

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** iamlindoro locks kormoc up in one of them spinny pieces of glass **

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kormoc:

Oh noes, the null void!

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iamlindoro:

Consider yourself divided by 0

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iamlindoro:

So in the list of top 5 blu ray pre-orders on a site I'm on, I just got 3 of them for $3 a piece on HD-DVD

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kormoc:

Show off :P

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iamlindoro:

Just very fond of the fact that all HD-DVDs can be ripped in Linux, and many/most of them will be released at 10x the cost on Blu ray :)

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mkrufky:

caprica is "available"

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mkrufky:

cough cough

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mkrufky:

th epilot

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kormoc:

it's just sad that they lost the 'war' so to speak

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I guess I'm enjoying it to the extent that I have 3 dozen or so 1080p movies that are great, and sometimes classics, which are unavailable in HD elsewhere

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: When does it air?

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kormoc:

Yeah, fair 'nuff

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kormoc:

I'm still solidly on dvds

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wagnerrp:

i have my one blu-ray

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iamlindoro:

Whatever came with your PS2?

[18:13:22]

iamlindoro:

PS3?

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iamlindoro:

Ricky Bobby?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I wondered if I could guess it

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: i think september

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wagnerrp:

well you know i have a PS3, and have had it for a long time.... not a stretch to guess that one

[18:14:36]

mkrufky:

it was released two days ago, goes to retail next week

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yeah, just couldn't remember for sure what they were bundling

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Oh, it's going to retail first?

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mkrufky:

correct

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mkrufky:

just the pilot

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Weird-- but no HD version?

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mkrufky:

yeah i only see a SD version available

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wagnerrp:

you know, i stood in line all of 5 minutes to get that one release day

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mkrufky:

maybe the pilot is SD only until september?

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gbee:

so I was bored this afternoon, http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/filmstrip_epg.png

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gbee:

and yes, it's a mockup, not real, but probably doable all the same

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dubstar_04:

gbee: that looks gorgeous!!

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iamlindoro:

gbee: That's awesome

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I started futzing with it a bit a few days ago, but nothing so advanced

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dubstar_04:

I started doing my chocolate theme, but my laptop died :-(

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gbee:

like I said, still definately a concept and I might have to make some changes to the guide widget to make it work

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iamlindoro:

TBH the first time I looked at the EPG in probably two years was with the new widget

[18:32:04]

iamlindoro:

So my personal goal will be to make something that would actually make me use it

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gbee:

I'll tend to use the EPG instead of the program finder for quick scheduling of something that's on in the next 12 hours, i.e. someone mentions that there is a great film or series starting that night

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i_is_cat:

is it possible to make livetv commercial skip? i mean i know you cant ffw livetv but maybe put a config option where you can set mp3s or short video clips to play during a flagged commercial?

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gbee:

I'll also use it when just trying to find new things to record, quick look over the primetime slots to see whether I'm missing out on anything that looks interesting

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thedarkone:

hey all

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i_is_cat:

unless it only flags after the recording.. in which case i would say its probably not possible..

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thedarkone:

well i was thinking about the comcast on demand how i can get to work ,,

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gbee:

accurate realtime flagging is pretty difficult

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thedarkone:

well if make a script to see if on channel 1 then disconnect lirc from mythtv to use lirc direct to stb

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i_is_cat:

ya i know even with recordings its kind of iffy

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thedarkone:

should work

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justinh:

heh. somebody cares, and they mix fonts. Nice

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iamlindoro:

Same guy wants to ask all his questions on the wiki talk pages

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iamlindoro:

suggest he comes in here or to the lists and he disagrees

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justinh:

who looks at them?

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wagnerrp:

thedarkone: there is no way to just 'disconnect lirc from mythtv'

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wagnerrp:

you have to restart the frontend to remote lirc support

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wagnerrp:

or you have to write in some code into mythtv to run that command i pointed out

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wagnerrp:

there is no scripting

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iamlindoro:

justinh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_talk:Iamlindoro

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justinh:

what a div

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thedarkone:

wagnerrp hmmm

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kormoc_:

iamlindoro, it's Elkin

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justinh:

if somebody's trying to make me get off my arse out of sheer pity, they're going the right way about it

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Plus the "I assume my questions are valid as they are not answered blah blah..." When in fact at least half of them *are* answered, but were ignored

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iamlindoro:

kormoc_: Yeah-- does he have a reputation?

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justinh:

mr elkin-wide. I'm not going to say any more

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thedarkone:

okay wagnerrp this way over my head

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Dibblah:

Pity is not a good motivator.

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kormoc_:

He's non-native english, so I chalk most of it up to that, but yeah, he's stubborn at times

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wagnerrp:

thedarkone: what youre asking to do is something mythtv is not set up for

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wagnerrp:

unless you want to use a separate remote, and control the STB directly

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thedarkone:

well yeah i know

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wagnerrp:

youre not going to be able to do this without getting down and dirty with the source

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justinh:

Dibblah: it's the only source of motivation I have at my fingertips right now

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thedarkone:

wagnerrp why couldn't i use like tuner1 for ondemand

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no mechanism for dedicating tuners for a specific purpose

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gbee:

iamlindoro: he's entirely missing the point that the documentation (for an in development version) is a work in progress, he's talking about missing info ... of course it's missing, it's NOT FINISHED

[18:46:36]

iamlindoro:

justinh: His theme seems to just be Mepo?

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Heh, preaching to the choir my friend :)

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kormoc_:

justinh, Elkin didn't do Mepo...

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kormoc_:

erm, iamlindoro

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justinh:

kormoc_: I know

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iamlindoro:

kormoc_: Yeah, I'm just saying that there don't seem to be substantial differences between his and mepo

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kormoc:

ahh

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justinh:

I'm well aware of who did what.. I always kept an eye on the competition ;)

[18:47:36]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: ^^

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gbee:

iamlindoro: yeah, I just think it needs to be stressed to him ... hmm, suppose I'll do it

[18:48:19]

iamlindoro:

http://www.elkin.de/images/ew-05.05.2007-1_copy1.jpg

[18:48:23]

iamlindoro:

That's pretty much Mepo, yeah?

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justinh:

eew. yes

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iamlindoro:

http://www.elkin.de/images/ew-06.05.2007-2.jpg

[18:49:16]

Dibblah:

Ugh. If anyone out there is still <18, get chicken pox now! The adult form is... Unfunny.

[18:49:19]

iamlindoro:

Heh, and who is it I spy in the upper right?

[18:49:34]

justinh:

shingles?

[18:49:42]

kormoc:

ha

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah: Ugh, that can be dangerous, no? :(

[18:50:04]

iamlindoro:

(The adult version)

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justinh:

V. Dangerous, I heard

[18:50:08]

Dibblah:

No – Shingles is different. You can only get chicken pox once.

[18:50:19]

Dibblah:

Yeah, thanks for that :)

[18:50:23]

justinh:

oh. I was led to believe they were the same thing

[18:50:30]

kormoc:

Unless you are extremely unlucky...

[18:50:30]

justinh:

one being the adult version of the other

[18:50:52]

justinh:

must depend on mutations & whatnot I suspect

[18:50:53]

Dibblah:

It's the same root cause, but shingles is the chicken pox virus "surfacing" on one nerve.

[18:51:00]

justinh:

ahh

[18:51:09]

justinh:

hey I learn all kinds on the interweb

[18:51:53]

kormoc:

and they're both a form of Herpes!

[18:52:21]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: But it's much less polite for one mom to say to another, "Hey, why don't you bring your kids over so that they can get Herpes from my kids?"

[18:52:31]

kormoc:

but so much more fun!

[18:52:37]

iamlindoro:

Only short term

[18:53:15]

iamlindoro:

"And that's when I called the police on kormoc and iamlindoro, your honor."

[18:53:44]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:53:56]

kormoc:

And thus 0.22 was delayed for 22 minutes

[18:55:44]

iamlindoro:

Now it'll never have all those half-broken MythVideo features!

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I remember having a discussion once about why I didn't think doing a theme with a white background would be a good idea, it was well before HD sets were prevalent so we'd be talking about black on white on CRT. Hmmmmm look at the PSU regulation. Not much use if your set wasn't a B&O

[18:58:19]

gbee:

white background in a darkend room, nasty

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** kormoc is blind! **

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Dibblah:

Indeed. Pox parties are illegal.

[19:00:42]

justinh:

the fun thing about big contrast differences on most CRT sets is that no vertical straight line would ever appear straight – certainly not in the context of the PBB or menus..

[19:00:44]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Especially with my 10 trillion lumen projector, white backgrounds are owwie

[19:02:11]

iamlindoro:

Heh, this ought to get me in trouble. http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-April/253561.html

[19:02:13]

justinh:

well, somebody never listened to reason

[19:02:51]

justinh:

iamlindoro: ouchy

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[19:03:44]

iamlindoro:

I've found that anyone who needs to argue that their opinion should count, their opinion shouldn't count

[19:03:57]

justinh:

should stop giving them oxygen

[19:04:17]

justinh:

erm.. oxygen of publically airing their opinions

[19:04:21]

justinh:

ahem

[19:04:33]

iamlindoro:

The former would suit me fine ;)

[19:05:13]

justinh:

sigh. it's a wonder this entitlement culture bollocks doesn't suck everybody's motivation away

[19:05:16]

iamlindoro:

Stop giving them oxygen full stop

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justinh:

part of a solution would just be to ban everyone who top posts

[19:07:11]

justinh:

ML rules. adhere to them or be gone

[19:07:33]

justinh:

auto bans for html too

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** justinh prolly wouldn't have anybody but himself on his mailing list :-P **

[19:07:52]

kormoc:

bans for non-sensical names too

[19:08:14]

iamlindoro:

The myth community in general is policed very loosely if at all

[19:08:21]

iamlindoro:

look at the people who still manage to exist in channel

[19:08:32]

justinh:

and instead of 'feature request without a patch', just send the death droids round

[19:08:42]

Dagmar:

Just sign those top-posters up for some free porno

[19:08:59]

justinh:

why IS that guy still allowed here?

[19:09:27]

iamlindoro:

Must be someone's cousin

[19:10:05]

laga:

what guy?

[19:10:30]

sphery:

iamlindoro: what's with the attitude on -users list?

[19:10:42]

sphery:

I mean you're normally such a nice guy...

[19:10:54]

sphery:

but you must have an attitude because someone on the list said you did

[19:11:08]

justinh:

sphery: patience is finite ;-)

[19:11:16]

iamlindoro:

sphery: heh

[19:11:43]

sphery:

yeah, he was trying my patience, too--thus my comments in here

[19:11:56]

sphery:

big difference is I didn't have the courage to say it to his face on the list :)

[19:12:00]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, as much as sometimes I see why people get frustrated at a person or two on their list, you have to admit that ffmpeg has clearly defined rules that they enforce in their channels and dev list, gotta respect that

[19:12:31]

sphery:

if you think Myth is bad, you should sign up for the openmoko lists...

[19:12:52]

justinh:

yeah but how many devs do ffmpeg have? and how willing/able are people to contribute?

[19:13:10]

justinh:

could be worse. we could all be the hugging, canonical type

[19:13:16]

justinh:

shudder

[19:13:34]

sphery:

heh

[19:14:25]

justinh:

I don't really have an axe to grind with uber-friendliness but I just can't relate to how nice everyone seems to be the whole time. it's a bit stepford IMHO

[19:15:22]

kormoc:

Really, I just need to be in #mythtv-friends

[19:15:27]

** justinh wonders what Hans Reiser was like as a project leader **

[19:15:28]

iamlindoro:

justinh: I would guess that ffmpeg has at *least* 4x the committers and 10x the patch contributors

[19:15:31]

Dagmar:

*shudder*

[19:15:35]

kormoc:

I don't want to deal with users, but most of what I say doesn't fit in -dev

[19:15:44]

Dagmar:

Someone saying they've put switches on the power to their drives to keep Myth from waking them up

[19:15:49]

Dagmar:

Sad, sad, sad.

[19:16:40]

justinh:

kormoc: same here these days

[19:16:59]

justinh:

I've not been here much lately & to tell the truth haven't missed it at all

[19:17:49]

** laga misses free time **

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Dagmar:

Fewer apologies, more gruesome disembowelings is the way to go.

[19:18:45]

iamlindoro:

There's something to be said for the post a patch to the list, rip to shreds, and insist on revisions until it's okay, but then immediately commit

[19:18:52]

kormoc:

Fiery Deaths all around!

[19:18:54]

justinh:

I've been asked to take part in a dance music podcast project, so am kinda dropping everything I had planned for the time being

[19:19:18]

sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, between you and I, /one/ of is is "the right people"

[19:19:29]

justinh:

ahh cleansing, all-knowing FIRE

[19:19:59]

sphery:

(actually, I think I'm just the guy who told him who had done some work on commflag/captions, so he thinks that guy is the right people)

[19:20:31]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Heh, I suspect it's you, and that that was meant to be offlist

[19:21:09]

justinh:

going ex-directory was the best thing I ever did

[19:21:17]

kormoc:

What was up with the minor issue guy with #3 being that the guide data is wrong on some random website?

[19:21:51]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Heh, probably the same thing that was up with him posting it to -dev :)

[19:22:12]

iamlindoro:

E_TOOMUCHDRINKING

[19:22:38]

justinh:

E_NOTENOUGHFIREATHOME

[19:22:49]

kormoc:

Mmm... more fire

[19:23:36]

iamlindoro:

hahaha

[19:24:31]

** justinh conjurs up Molotov-wide. It's an OK theme but if you say you don't like anything about it, you burn while you sleep **

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iamlindoro:

Hey this theme smells a little like gasolAAAAAAAAAIIEEEEEEEEEE!

[19:25:52]

j-rod:

DIAF-wide

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j-rod:

effing stupid ancient sas firmware...

[19:27:38]

j-rod:

ipr ftl

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gom:

hi all

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justinh:

iamlindoro: btw, don't be in a rush to see 'Planet of the dead'. it was teh suck

[19:28:15]

justinh:

I don't care if it was in aitch dee

[19:28:17]

j-rod:

also, fujitsu, for not making a firmware update available through normal channels for retail drives

[19:29:15]

justinh:

the next one in line looks promising if the preview clip was anything to go by though :)

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gom:

I'd like to know if anyone can help me w/ hauppauge I'd like to know if anyone can help me w/ hauppauge hvr-3000

[19:32:52]

iamlindoro:

justinh: No good, eh?

[19:33:07]

iamlindoro:

gom: Go ahead and ask your specific question and we'll see what we can do

[19:33:25]

iamlindoro:

gom: The channel doesn't generally attract the "volunteer to help without knowing the problem" type ;)

[19:33:33]

gom:

lamlindoro: happy to see you there ;-)

[19:33:36]

gom:

sure

[19:33:41]

iamlindoro:

Gotta have "buntu" at the end of the channel name for that :)

[19:34:16]

gom:

is the _only_ way to set up a card with 2 frontends is to mkdir adapter1 and then ln -s ?

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iamlindoro:

gom: I don't believe so, pretty sure multiple frontends is all supported, but not entirely certain that support is in .21

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5061

[19:36:01]

gom:

when I go ahead and try to crete my capturecards, when I choose DVB type I can only create one, which turns out to be the DVB-S

[19:36:05]

gom:

going to see that

[19:36:14]

iamlindoro:

Bah

[19:36:22]

iamlindoro:

looks like it got in after .21 and wasn't backported

[19:36:38]

gom:

yeah, that's my bug, sorry I have to leave a short timme bbs

[19:37:07]

iamlindoro:

gom: It works in the dev version, but appears not to have been applied to the current release

[19:37:31]

iamlindoro:

That ticket contains a patch for .21-fixes though, so if you are savvy you can apply it yourself and you'll be fine

[19:37:53]

iamlindoro:

Or you could see if one of the devs were interested in applying it to the .21-fixes branch

[19:41:10]

gom:

thx a lot lamlindoro, that was useful

[19:41:38]

gom:

I hope it will still apply to .21-fixes, I'll keep you tuned

[19:41:39]

iamlindoro:

no problem

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iamlindoro:

I should think it will

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iamlindoro:

maybe with some offsets, but should be pretty close

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gom:

K

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gom:

I'm tempted about vdpau too, so I'll choose the most stable

[19:43:12]

iamlindoro:

Probably a wise choice

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sphery:

iamlindoro: hey, you're finally needed

[19:45:04]

iamlindoro:

sphery: What ho?

[19:45:29]

iamlindoro:

(Which is different than "What, ho?"

[19:45:31]

iamlindoro:

)

[19:45:49]

sphery:

heh...

[19:46:16]

sphery:

iamlindoro: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-April/253570.html

[19:46:19]

sphery:

you're needed

[19:46:42]

iamlindoro:

What do I need to do to/about/at/on him?

[19:52:02]

Dagmar:

Dig a hole about four feet deep, for starters

[19:52:10]

Dagmar:

Then we're going to need some fire ants.

[19:52:32]

Dagmar:

"Why has no one implemented something I know so little about I have to make up my own words for it yet?"

[19:54:43]

meshe:

thanks for the good laugh on my lunch break iamlindoro

[19:55:42]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Heh, which, the thread?

[19:56:12]

** iamlindoro is willing to accept credit for whatever was hilarious **

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** dustybin sends iamlindoro money **

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iamlindoro:

This is what every day should be like

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meshe:

iamlindoro: yeah, that was funny

[20:01:25]

meshe:

the messages kept coming in on the iphone, i couldn't help but laugh

[20:01:27]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Somewhat surprised there have been no more angry "but my opinion matters!" e-mails

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iamlindoro:

meshe: The ironic part is that I really *didn't* set out to insult him in any way, and I answered his questions in detail-- I so seldom post to the users list at all, kinda surprised he picked up on my joking about Idea Men and took it personally

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meshe:

i didn't see any insult, you want something done in an open source project, write it

[20:03:51]

meshe:

or pay for it

[20:04:45]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Sort of irksome any time someone phrases their questions as "Why hasn't someone done this yet?"

[20:04:57]

iamlindoro:

Just milks my suckit gland

[20:05:24]

meshe:

i was just going to say: "why hasn't anyone done x yet" is not a good way to get help or advice

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bulle:

i dont even know what subtext commercial filtering is =(

[20:09:02]

iamlindoro:

I assume he means commercial cut by closed captioning content

[20:09:02]

bulle:

just flag somethign as commercial, if the video doesnt have subtexts ?

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bulle:

hmmm, guess it all depends on how common it is with subtexting where you live

[20:10:14]

wagnerrp:

commflagging splits up video at the black transitions, and then decides whether or not that block of video is a commercial, right?

[20:10:39]

meshe:

it also looks for channel logos which aren't on commercials

[20:11:09]

wagnerrp:

but i mean it finds a transition, and then makes a decision on the block from any number of methods

[20:11:28]

bulle:

wagnerrp: think there are several different commercial detection algorithms

[20:11:38]

bulle:

i think i did read up a bit on it, the commercial detection api

[20:11:48]

meshe:

i think so, it's been a while since i read up on it in the wiki

[20:12:00]

wagnerrp:

im just wondering, because i have NEVER seen subtext run anything close to synchronous to the voice

[20:12:09]

bulle:

when i had this bright idea i wanted to just have a filter that would use already filtered episodes of the same series, as a training dataset

[20:12:12]

wagnerrp:

it always runs 5–15 seconds behind

[20:12:29]

bulle:

should work just fine, after a few episodes

[20:12:32]

bulle:

atleast here in .se

[20:13:30]

bulle:

same commercial structure week after week

[20:14:02]

sphery:

except for the Live broadcasts (like Dancing with the Stars or news shows or ...--where the captions are added after the words are spoken--and often offset by many seconds

[20:14:13]

gom:

iamlindoro: it sounds like vdpau enabled mythtv from linhes is still base on 0.21... too bad I'll _have_ to recompile anyway

[20:14:22]

gom:

s/base/based/

[20:14:36]

iamlindoro:

gom: I strongly advise against using any version of VDPAU in .21

[20:15:04]

iamlindoro:

gom: Those patches are broken, unsupported, and will mean nobody here will help you with any part of myth

[20:15:19]

gom:

well, I'm not sure but I updated to mythtv-vdpau and I still see 0.21 in the logs

[20:15:42]

iamlindoro:

gom: Yes, those are backports by someone not affiliated with the MythTV devs

[20:16:01]

gom:

I don't see why C. Watson would have chose something so far from being supported.

[20:16:12]

gom:

s/chose/chosen/

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iamlindoro:

they are a very very bad idea, and he has included other random patches in that patch set that have not been reviewed-- it basically turns your stable .21 box into a box that nobody will help with

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gom:

I'l ask if it's really the case. Thx for your input anyway

[20:16:42]

iamlindoro:

np

[20:16:42]

gom:

oh really ?

[20:16:49]

iamlindoro:

yep

[20:17:23]

gom:

I was evaluatinglinhes and it seems well integrated, I'm running for 2 years now over gentoo

[20:17:41]

iamlindoro:

the person who cut and pasted the code from trunk in those patches did so ignoring the objections of the myth devs, and he inserts a bunch of other patches that haven't been committed because he feels like it

[20:17:53]

iamlindoro:

That's his choice, it's open source, but it's no longer MythTV when you're using it

[20:18:04]

iamlindoro:

so we don't provide any help for any system running those patches here

[20:18:17]

gom:

okay so if I ever get satifeid w/ linhes I won't seek fr support here then..

[20:18:23]

iamlindoro:

ok :)

[20:18:34]

gom:

bye :-)

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iamlindoro:

fighting the backport war is tilting at windmills, apparently

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand the massive attraction to the backports

[20:27:26]

wagnerrp:

its hacked, backported, development quality code

[20:27:41]

wagnerrp:

meaning the backport is going to be just as buggy, if not more so, than trunk

[20:27:57]

iamlindoro:

development quality code filtered through a non-developer

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wagnerrp:

so then whats the point of running it instead of trunk

[20:28:53]

wagnerrp:

and people are just using it on relatively new machines for content that can be played back in software on said machines anyway

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wagnerrp:

youve already got the CPU in there, its going to cost maybe 10W extra to run it on the CPU than the GPU

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gbee:

it's shiny

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wagnerrp:

?

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gbee:

people like new features, whether they'll use them or not, they like to think they are on the cutting edge

[20:41:29]

wagnerrp:

so then be on the cutting edge, use trunk

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gbee:

same reason people buy pointless gadgets, or have to have an iphone etc

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iamlindoro:

The old NewEgg "Everyone's an advanced user" plague

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j-rod:

meanwhile, I'm running trunk, and have yet to use vdpau at all

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gbee:

backports are being sold as risk free, whereas we tell anybody who will listen that trunk is dangerous

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wagnerrp:

so JVA is a conman

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wagnerrp:

misleading the users into danger

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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iamlindoro:

He doesn't miss an opportunity to push his repository, either

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meshe:

hey, i bought my iphone for very good reasons

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gbee:

of course the backports aren't risk free at all, but as long as someone tells them it is, they are willing to believe because they really want their shiny stuff

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iamlindoro:

Every time someone is given the (admittedly simplified) information that you run stable, or if you want VDPAU, you run trunk, he chimes in about his repository

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wagnerrp:

i love how he got on me for mentioning that you had to run trunk to use vdpau

[20:43:57]

iamlindoro:

What I think is the most insidious part is that he applies literally *dozens* of patches from trac on top of that

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iamlindoro:

patches which have note been looked at or vetted by *anyone*

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iamlindoro:

have not

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gbee:

meshe: no doubt there are genuine reasons to own an iphone, but for everyone who bought one for good reasons I'll show you three people you just wanted the latest gadget

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meshe:

gbee: true

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gbee:

s/people you/people who/

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j-rod:

I wanted the latest gadget *and* had good reasons to buy one :)

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meshe:

i'll ditto that

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wagnerrp:

gbee: i know someone who managed to buy the iphone dataplan, sans iphone

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gbee:

heh

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wagnerrp:

apparently it was a much better deal than the one they were offering for his freerunner

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meshe:

our data plans are awesome here, $30/mo for 1GB

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wagnerrp:

i think he said it was an extra $20 for unlimited

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wagnerrp:

my old roommate went out and picked up a iphone3G when they first came out

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wagnerrp:

im sure he has no clue what to do with it

[20:47:25]

meshe:

i was in line for 5 hours on the day they were released in Canada :S

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j-rod:

there was no line at all on a saturday afternoon when I went and got mine several months after they were released

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j-rod:

I don't do 5 hour wait bullshit

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meshe:

i'll admit to having a google alert set up for "iPhone Canada" months before it was released, i wanted one

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gbee:

my phone only does one thing, it makes calls

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j-rod:

I wanted one too, but not that bad. Had better things to do. Oh, and an existing cell phone contract to wait out.

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meshe:

gbee: that's reason 1 why i wanted one, i now don't carry my camera, ipod or pda, they are all on one device

[20:51:41]

gbee:

it has a basic monochrome screen, upside of which is that the battery lasts a couple of weeks

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j-rod:

I make pretty heavy use of my iphone, its quite the polar opposite of the Sharp Zaurus I just had to get years ago, which I've never seriously used for more than 5 minutes.

[20:52:21]

j-rod:

wonder if that thing still works...

[20:52:57]

meshe:

mine is usually dead about 10 hours on a work day

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j-rod:

quit watching pr0n on it

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gbee:

it's so robust that I could chuck it at the wall and it doesn't leave a dent, and it's so damn cheap that should I lose it I'd not feel it in my wallet

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meshe:

j-rod: music almost all day, 1–2 hours of phone calls, heavy web browsing and email and the occasional video on the commute

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gbee:

that's what is most important in a phone for me – I don't need my camera with me 98% of the time, I only need my netbook three or four times a week

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j-rod:

I use mine for music too. But they have electrical outlets here in the office to keep it charged.

[20:55:42]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, id rather carry around a dumb phone with bluetooth and a dataplan, and a small palmtop

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wagnerrp:

something like those nokia tablets

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j-rod:

only light browsing, fairly regular email reading, occasional email writing

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j-rod:

eh. I have a netbook. I'd rather carry just the iphone 99% of the time.

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wagnerrp:

i dont mean a netbook, those are generally too large to realistically carry in a pocket

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j-rod:

yes, I know

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j-rod:

but even the n810 is bulkier than a phone

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j-rod:

and an extra thing to lug around

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meshe:

i love being able to browse for an answer or boredom with a device i'd be carrying with me anyway

[20:57:50]

wagnerrp:

so, my phone would be tiny

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gbee:

there another point, if there is an advance in camera tech I buy a new camera, new music format I get a new mp3 – I don't need to spend a ton extra getting the new model phone which doesn't even do any of those things as well as a dedicated device (well certainly true in the case of the camera)

[20:58:10]

wagnerrp:

and i would end up with a slightly larger device, a MUCH better screen, and a keyboard for functional typing

[20:58:42]

j-rod:

gbee: yeah, the camera is just so-so for quick snaps of stuff, it certainly doesn't replace my DSLR :)

[20:59:14]

j-rod:

dunno. I can type on the iphone better than I can on the eeepc 900 series

[20:59:25]

j-rod:

but those are just plain utter shit

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j-rod:

Worst Keyboard Ever

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meshe:

i used to carry my camera everywhere, but i don't need to know, it comes with me on holidays though

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j-rod:

but then, I'm 6'3" with size 13 shoes and hands to match

[21:00:21]

j-rod:

the aspire one's keyboard is quite usable for me, but I'm thinking about replacing it with one of the HP netbooks

[21:02:09]

j-rod:

the HP has the biggest keyboard of all the netbooks without any crack-rock layout changes like the Dell

[21:02:39]

wagnerrp:

doesnt sony have some 1600x600 screen?

[21:02:47]

j-rod:

although really, 1024x600 blows chunks

[21:02:50]

j-rod:

something like that

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j-rod:

and an $800+ price tag

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j-rod:

the other thing I'd consider is a Samsung NC20

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jarle:

Anybody still has problems getting multirec 100% stable. Multirec works 100% of the time when started from live tv, but I seem to see a pattern where sometimes the first recording ends abruptly when the second recording starts from the same transponder. Anybody else seen similar behaviour?

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jarle:

(according to the backend log it seems like the first recording keeps recording as it should though...)

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macccco:

is there some lcd display expert?

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gbee:

never had a problem with multirec, possible that there is a hardware/driver angle

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gbee:

some cards have issues with pid filtering etc

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gbee:

pure guesswork though

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jarle:

gbee: my problem is that sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't so it is hard to debug. Actually I seldom have the need for multirec, so I guess I'll just turn it off for now...

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grokky:

iamlindoro: Nice idea with a theming mailing list. I think it would be great. I'm having a go with my own theme at present and as such it would be really handy.

[22:21:19]

iamlindoro:

grokky: Cool, if you can voice your support on the -dev thread about it and maybe we can convince Chutt to add it

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grokky:

will do.

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** meshe follows that advice as well **

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sphery:

3 cheers for paulh's removing some dead settings!

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kster:

Hi, can anyone tell me if a command-line tool exists that can delete an old mythtv recording in the same "shrinking" fashion that mythtv uses on ext3?

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jarle:

kster: delete file in shrinking fashion???

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kster:

yes, I think it's actually called a "slow delete"

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Dagmar:

It doesn't shrink anything.

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kster:

it mentions it under Filesystems on this page http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html

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kster:

Has no one ever heard of their slow delete/shrink feature?

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sphery:

kster: I know of no utilities that open a file, delete the open file, then slowly truncate the open file

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sphery:

Myth does it that way

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sphery:

search Google if you like, but I don't think you'll find any.

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sphery:

might want to patch the rm command in coreutils

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kster:

I guess I'll just have to write it myself.

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sphery:

why do you need one?

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sphery:

is it for non-Myth files? Otherwise, it's kind of already handled by Myth (when using Myth properly)

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kster:

because I have some leftover 30+gb files from the 2008 olympics and I don't have myth installed on the machine.

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kster:

the machine used to be a file server for a mythbox.

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sphery:

so delete them and it will lock up the I/O subsystem for about 15–30 seconds per file...

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Dagmar:

...which is something you were undoubtedly warned about.

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sphery:

not bad for a one-time thing...

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sphery:

It's just that in Myth that's kind of annoying when the UI locks up/can cause corrupt recordings/... so we avoid it

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kster:

that's what I thought perhaps, but wasn't sure if myth does this for any other reason.

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sphery:

but the kernel shouldn't have any problems

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sphery:

oh, and if you're still recording to that server with another Myth box, do the rm's when Myth isn't recording :)

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sphery:

kster: although, there is a /much/ faster way to delete a bunch of huge files. I deleted > 1TB of files in 30 seconds from an ext3 filesystem...

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kster:

not a problem. I moved out of the house and my friend owned the mythbox.

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kster:

what's your magic trick?

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sphery:

use mke2fs -j <device> :) of course, I could only do that because I was deleting all files from the systems

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Dagmar:

I was about to say "OOO! I KNOW! I KNOW!"

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kster:

I only wish...

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kster:

Well, thanks anyway. I guess I'll go have some fun I/O blocking.

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sphery:

otherwise, though, I'd recommend just deleting them when the server isn't too busy with other stuff

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sphery:

have fun, and good luck

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sphery:

wow... I didn't realize Oracle bought Berkeley DB (and/or SleepyCat).

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iamlindoro:

sleepycat /etc/fstab

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sphery:

So, if they go an buy MySQL from Sun (as some are recommending they do in what may become a Sun fire sale), they'll have a huge hold of FOSS DB's

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iamlindoro:

works... but slowly

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sphery:

that took a while to get...

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iamlindoro:

'cause it was complicated, like my jokes are wont to be ;)

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HappyHater:

I need some help, my audio in both livetv and recordings has a high pitched background noise, been googling for days now but haven't found anything that's been of help

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sphery:

HappyHater: are your recording profiles set with a volume of 100%? If so, change them to 90%

[23:12:50]

HappyHater:

yeah, they're all set at 90%

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sphery:

good connections to the capture card?

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sphery:

ivtv (PVR-x50) or other capture card?

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HappyHater:

yeah the cables are good, and the signal is strong.. and yeah it's a hvr-1600 but I have to tell mythtv it it's a pvr-150/500

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iamlindoro:

HappyHater, If you go into live TV, and turn up the volume, then go move the audio cable into your capture card, does the tone change?

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iamlindoro:

especially when moved *away* from the power cable/PSU?

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** sphery thinks #6460 is a configuration issue **

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sphery:

I mean, it's not like 99% of trunk users have AC-3 audio

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HappyHater:

I don't have an audio cable plugged into it, it's using the onboard sound

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sphery:

coax input?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, It's the (known) fedora rawhide liba52 thing xris found

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HappyHater:

yeah

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, should mention that in #mythtv so someone can close it

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sphery:

iamlindoro: have you ever heard of "Lee's Two Laws of Posting"?

[23:19:33]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I have now, and consider myself educated ;)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Some good news, during my debugging of Jamu I figured out how to get multi-language series lists (option -M). Before I could only display series names in English. I had to patch tvdb_api.

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RDV_Linux:

Now my question for you is the setting in Mythvideo ".../scripts/ttvdb.py -M" for English TV series listings that is still OK. To trigger a TV series listing in a different language you need to specify the language for example of ".../scripts/ttvdb.py -l es -M". Does your work need to change? I do mention about the language settings in Ttvdb.py's wiki page.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, nope, only needs to be on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, nice feature, though, I think your script is by far the most multi-language friendly we've had

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RDV_Linux:

Great I will submit tomorrow after some more testing. Today was a good debug day.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: well, it exists in one place other than that thread where he mentioned it: http://www.olsonhome.com/srm/microfaq.html#law

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sphery:

OK, really 2 places: http://www.christianforums.com/t3174748/#post25370605

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sphery:

Guess it didn't come from his Myth posting.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, He's even more famous than JYA! ;)

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sphery:

Yeah.

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iamlindoro:

Lots of people seem not to get the mythfilldatabase +1 and +3 thing

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iamlindoro:

er +13

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sphery:

no doubt

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sphery:

The real problem, however, is the people who tell their systems not to record generic episodes

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sphery:

there's a /very/ good reason to always allow that

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sphery:

(and, yes, I realize a scheduler dev is one of the ones doing that...)

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iamlindoro:

I'm kind of surprised, given how advanced the manipulation of text is in Qt, that Qimage is so bare

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