MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

Daily chat history

Current users (203):

abqjp, adante, Agrajag-, aloril, Anduin, AndyCap, AndyCrawford, anykey_, at0m, Beirdo, bulle, cafuego, Caliban, Captain_Murdoch, ccfreak2k, cesman, chainsawbike, ChanServ, charlieS, clever, clintar, clyons, ColdFyre, Computer_Czar, CoreDump, Cougar, crankharder, crichardson, croppa, d00gster, Dagmar, ddettman, Do-m-pie, dougl, dustybin, dwax, Faithful, Fleck, flindet, Floppe, FlyOnThe1all, gbee, gnome42, gore, gregL, GreyFoxx, growler, Guest49166, hachi, Honk, Huijari, iamlindoro, ikonia, ivor, J-e-f-f-A, j-rod, jamiem, jams, janneg, jarle, jedix, jhulst, k-man, KaZeR, keith4, LabMonkey, laga, linagee, LiNERROR, Lollero, lotia, Maliuta, mbamford, mchou, mgisbers, MilkBoy, mishehu, moodboom, MythLogBot, mzb, nagnag, packetscan, Patina, pat_, Pebby, pheld, pigeon, quicksilver, quigleymd, qupada, radi0head, rojo, rooaus, ruskie, Scopeuk, sid3windr, slayven, SlicerDicer, sphery, squidly, Sulx, superdump, tank-man, Tanthrix, tfm, thefRont, Therock_, thevoke, thread, toorima, TTilus, wagnerrp, Wayhigh, Winkie, xand, xris, yalu_, [Peter], _charly_, opello, sutula, Dibblah, rushfan, tarbo, A-, DarthDam, dlblog, jduggan, jgoss, simcop2387, squish102, grantm, justdave, quadtree, Heliwr, kormoc, justinh, jpabq, octavsly, grokky, lyricnz, mikeones, dec, thedarkone, sege_, MaverickTech, Dave123, dj_ryan, tt884, Mace, CCFL_Man3, genii, Loto, kabtoffe, RDV_Linux, tgm4883, ventz, PointyPumper, olejl, Dassu, d00gle, wylie, dmz, aliby-, Exstatica, elmojo, rhpot1991, DarK``, bobgill_, wombo_, tris, eNeRGi, xcloud9x, i_is_cat, schlazor, abarber, gbutters, justinp_home, jamesd__, styelz, robthebob, poodyp1, Dave123-road, TazgodX, Freeaqingme, zavex, forest, Nockian, eclipse[UME], kothog__, notyjoey_, mjec, shadash, rotty, benc_, TheSwede, akv_, JacobBro1n, MartinCleaver__, bwlang, stevep, cityOfLights, meshe_
Sunday, April 12th, 2009, 00:01 UTC
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[00:10:37] rushfan: wagnerrp: no my x supports opengl
[00:10:55] wagnerrp: not if youre getting that error
[00:11:18] rushfan: Hmm... I'll run glxgears.
[00:11:23] rushfan: wagnerrp: weird it ran now.
[00:11:40] rushfan: wagnerrp: damn glxgears failed. opengl is messed up
[00:11:42] rushfan: i better do some troubleshooting
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[00:14:14] kormoc: funny how reality tends to assert itself
[00:14:54] wagnerrp: whats this crap on the mailing list about the HDHR providing 'raw yuv'?
[00:25:38] thedarkone: kormoc can i do this
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[00:26:20] thedarkone: http://pastebin.com/mf1ff810
[00:26:26] thedarkone: will that work
[00:30:46] hachi: na na na
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[00:41:37] hachi: oh wow
[00:41:46] hachi: my patch for mythtv applies after all this time
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[01:15:47] iamlindoro: Heh, paul's recent adjustments to the Internal player have some issue and take some getting used to, but there's some cools tuff there
[01:16:04] iamlindoro: er have some issues, some cool stuff
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[01:19:18] iamlindoro: Live TV starts with "Please Wait..." as it sets up the streaming, new MythUI Program Guide fades in and out
[01:19:37] hachi: oooh
[01:19:46] hachi: I'm trying to figure out where I want to build this
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[04:12:28] iamlindoro: I love when people solicit advice on how a perceived bug should be fixed on the users list. I guess they assume a groundswell of support will result in them getting their way... but it only serves to irritate me.
[04:12:43] akaPrince: tank-man: < tank-man> rapid synopsis please "i can't get lircd right. mode2 and irrrecord works, but /etc/lircd.conf seems to be ignored"
[04:13:35] akaPrince: I love when people with knowledge get so blase they assume everyone around them are idiots, and stroke their egos by getting irritated by said dumb people.
[04:14:06] ** kormoc blinks **
[04:14:17] kormoc: oookkkaaaayyyyy.....
[04:14:31] Shadow__X: uh ohs
[04:14:41] ** iamlindoro yawns **
[04:14:49] kormoc: iamlindoro, I hear ya. Largely why I try to ignore the -users lists as much as I can
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[04:15:05] kormoc: I honestly don't really care what most of them thing with how things should work
[04:15:10] kormoc: *think
[04:15:29] iamlindoro: kormoc, Indeed, someone not understanding the scheduler behavior asking how his proposed patch should work on the users list = Whaaaaa?
[04:16:52] iamlindoro: kormoc, especially as, as far as I can tell, The guy says myth shows the program as 3:03 in length, and the channels web site says "airs from 9–12", and then says that the program *did* in fact go over several minutes...
[04:17:09] iamlindoro: So AFAICT he's trying to patch the fact that it worked
[04:17:14] kormoc: ha
[04:17:29] iamlindoro: "The actual showing was, in fact, longer than 3 hours."
[04:17:43] kormoc: epic
[04:17:56] iamlindoro: now that I write it out
[04:18:11] iamlindoro: I guess the users list *is* the right place to solicit advice on how to patch working behavior with broken one
[04:18:22] iamlindoro: so initial comment retracted
[04:18:53] Shadow__X: :)
[04:19:01] Shadow__X: why would you want something to work the way you told it to
[04:19:17] Shadow__X: simply easier to right a patch to correct the error in which you set it up to begin with
[04:20:46] iamlindoro: kormoc, Not to mention, good luck getting even *correct* patches applied to the scheduler
[04:20:54] iamlindoro: jpabq only had to wait 3 years
[04:23:17] kormoc: Yeah, I'm scared to even bring up mine for inclusion...
[04:24:41] iamlindoro: heh
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[04:28:52] akaPrince: can i run /usr/bin/lircd --logfile=lircd.log from the command line for testing?
[04:29:27] akaPrince: the man file says its a daemon logfile...
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[04:32:58] akaPrince: mkay, here's my take. this chan is basically useless. i've asked the same fairly simple questions a few times over a few hours. no real help forthcoming. sayonara.
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[04:34:13] iamlindoro: suuuuuper
[04:35:08] kormoc: if they were fairly simple, one would have thought he could have figured it out on his own
[04:35:23] iamlindoro: He consistently asking if he could run various commands
[04:35:23] Shadow__X: ^
[04:35:33] iamlindoro: one would think he would simply... run the commands and find out
[04:35:46] Shadow__X: no iamlindoro i need the answer now before i do anything
[04:36:02] Shadow__X: who learns by doing
[04:36:03] Shadow__X: seriously
[04:40:43] uglie-frog: hello all..i have no idea what im doing...Ive installed the software and cant get it to work...
[04:42:07] wagnerrp: uglie-frog: are you following a howto or manual?
[04:43:02] uglie-frog: where is that located
[04:43:12] wagnerrp: on google
[04:43:40] wagnerrp: on the mythtv website
[04:43:49] wagnerrp: on countless other websites around the net
[04:44:03] wagnerrp: mythtv is not something you can just 'wing'
[04:44:13] uglie-frog: i gather that
[04:44:24] wagnerrp: if you dont follow a guide, you will get lost, you will miss things
[04:45:06] wagnerrp: the wiki user manual is always a good general guide
[04:45:15] wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index
[04:45:37] wagnerrp: if you are using a prebuilt distro like mythdora, or mythbuntu
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[04:45:47] wagnerrp: you should check out a guide specifically for that
[04:45:57] wagnerrp: gentoo has its own guide
[04:46:17] uglie-frog: im using ubuntu..ill try to find a guide
[04:46:20] wagnerrp: i imagine the other primary distros all have their own custom guide to fit within their own file structure and package systems
[04:46:30] iamlindoro: #ubuntu-mythtv
[04:46:42] iamlindoro: is the channel you want for Mythtv on Ubuntu
[04:46:56] uglie-frog: ok thank u
[04:47:17] sphery: heh, while I was writing a response, you all were talking about the message to which I responded...
[04:47:57] iamlindoro: Well sure, if you want to go helping people and answering questions, just ask akaPrince, that's not what we're about
[04:48:33] ** kormoc sips some sparkling cider out of his champagne glass **
[04:48:37] kormoc: living the high life!
[04:48:58] sphery: heh
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[04:49:19] sphery: that sparking cider doesn't sound bad (though I think I'd prefer sparkling grape juice)
[04:49:54] kormoc: They're both yum
[04:50:11] sphery: iamlindoro: it's not so much that I wanted to help as that I've learned (the hard way) with that guy that you need to stop him early before he makes a mess
[04:50:23] iamlindoro: sphery, I got that sense
[04:50:32] sphery: (by doing basically what you said--getting a huge swell of support on -users for a /very/ bad idea)
[04:52:15] sphery: I'm trying to remember if he's the "why doesn't myth just write a bunch of 1min recording files and use the DB to link them together so we could use the same 1min portions in 2 different recordings" guy... If so, I know /exactly/ which response I'll get to my reply.
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[04:52:55] tank-man: that doesnt even make sense
[04:52:59] sphery: (Funny enough, I think we have another--different--"tiny recordings linked with the DB" guy hanging out here and in #mythtv)
[04:53:24] kormoc: he wanted a single copy of each commercial and it linked in rather then having the same commercial duplicated a few times
[04:53:28] iamlindoro: f-sphery-hard?
[04:53:43] iamlindoro: (note that this is a wordplay on his username)
[04:53:45] kormoc: I hate the f- name... ugh....
[04:54:08] sphery: Yeah, he should be banned just for that name
[04:54:24] iamlindoro: he showed up recently again for the first time in a looooong time
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[04:55:17] sphery: Basically, the idea (I think it's his) was instead of recording a single file for a 1hr recording, record 60 files. Then, if the user wants 2-min extra at the end, just do 2 more files. And, if the same user wants to record the following program and wants 2-min start early, then 4 files would be used by both recording...
[04:55:47] sphery: stored on disk once, but logically referenced by 2 "recordings" in the DB
[04:55:51] iamlindoro: sphery, Was this after the advent of multirec or the proposal of softpadding?
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[04:56:11] sphery: it was a softpadding idea
[04:56:21] iamlindoro: just an awful implementation of such
[04:56:27] kormoc: Ahh, Different guy I'm remembering then
[04:56:53] kormoc: the one I remembered wanted to md5 each chunk and then link in the chunks if the new recorded one matched an old one
[04:56:55] sphery: But, you know, the guy /has/ to be a super genious... After all, look at his domain.
[04:57:08] ** kormoc wonders if he should read the thread or not **
[04:57:15] iamlindoro: heh, MIT iirc
[04:57:31] sphery: not only that but /media/, too
[04:57:48] iamlindoro: probably means he works in the library ;)
[04:58:02] sphery: so, "video + audio" dot "well-respected learning institution" = the guy who could do Myth better than us all
[04:58:09] iamlindoro: hmm, close, the "media lab"
[04:59:24] iamlindoro: they're the "try anything and see what stcisk" guys
[04:59:27] iamlindoro: sticks
[05:00:38] kormoc: anyone that thinks they can do it better should
[05:00:55] iamlindoro: They already did, in perl
[05:01:05] iamlindoro: That's why we're all using... oh
[05:01:13] kormoc: So why are they on our lawn? darn kids...
[05:01:50] iamlindoro: So, Sci Fi ran a SyFy quality movie tonight
[05:01:54] iamlindoro: "Thos: Hammer of the Gods"
[05:02:07] iamlindoro: starring one of the kids from Home Improvement as Thor
[05:02:46] sphery: iamlindoro: did you know that in the "purists" minds there's SciFi (=movies with ewoks, etc) and SF (=science-based fiction, like Arthur C. Clark, etc.)
[05:03:07] sphery: So, I wonder what they'll think of SyFy
[05:03:14] iamlindoro: I'm a purist too. There's stuff that I like, and stuff that's crap.  ;)
[05:04:50] kormoc: I'm a purist... There's stuff I like, stuff I don't, and stuff with Miss Jewel.... ;)
[05:04:50] iamlindoro: Let's see, Zachary Ty Bryan? Check. Random hot chick with two swords? Check. $10 CG? Check.
[05:04:53] iamlindoro: Mmmm, SyFy
[05:05:05] iamlindoro: kormoc, Otherwise known as "stuff that can't be bad no matter what?"
[05:05:12] kormoc: Exactly!
[05:05:38] sphery: isn't Zachary Ty Bryan on of the Home Improvement kids?
[05:05:48] iamlindoro: There's an echo in here
[05:05:54] iamlindoro: "iamlindoro> starring one of the kids from Home Improvement as Thor"
[05:05:57] kormoc: There's an echo in here
[05:06:07] sphery: ahhh
[05:06:09] iamlindoro: And he's got a mohawk
[05:06:17] kormoc: razor tipped?
[05:06:19] sphery: I thought Thor was a Gray?
[05:06:19] iamlindoro: that is, in the back, a mullet
[05:06:27] iamlindoro: and no, I'm not kidding
[05:06:32] kormoc: sphery, this is thos, not thor
[05:06:35] iamlindoro: mohawk on the top, mullet in the back
[05:06:54] kormoc: And a bunch of spaceships that go around in circles?
[05:07:19] schdav: am i hte only one who thinks VD when i see Syfy
[05:07:20] ** sphery gives up looking for the "bunch of tiny recordings" thread... **
[05:07:38] wagnerrp: a mullethawk!
[05:07:48] kormoc: it's the new hawtness
[05:08:17] wagnerrp: schdav: no, that is nearly everyone's first thought when they see the name
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[05:08:32] wagnerrp: well, everyone except network execs, apparently
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[05:09:06] kormoc: or perhaps they needed a reason they were talking about scyfy on the phone when their wife walked in?
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[05:19:25] kd3: gah... why is the video browser using a 4:3 layout even though I'm using a 16:9 theme in 0.22?
[05:19:43] kormoc: kd3, because it's not finished?
[05:19:50] kormoc: (there is no 0.22 yet)
[05:20:12] kd3: ah... now to figure out what file to hack on
[05:20:27] wagnerrp: terra is the only released theme actually designed for mythui
[05:20:54] wagnerrp: the rest are all maintained just to provide basic functionality to facilitate testing
[05:21:26] wagnerrp: which is why you end up with missing screens, and 4:3 bits copied onto 16:9 themes
[05:22:36] wagnerrp: note... that doesnt mean terra isnt missing screens too
[05:23:15] adante: hrm any ubuntu users around
[05:23:29] adante: just installed mythtv on 810, didn't seem to create the database for me
[05:23:41] kormoc: #ubuntu-mythtv iirc
[05:24:02] adante: righto cheers
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[05:26:01] tank-man: "None of us are paid support" <- onjoin msg in ubuntu-mythtv :) guess their users need this to be made more clear
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[06:08:23] iamlindoro: Lord, look at the image on the top story at cnn.com
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[06:09:19] ** kormoc blinks **
[06:10:13] iamlindoro: That's *crazy*... also, that woman was nuts
[06:10:32] kormoc: watch the video
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[06:11:08] wagnerrp: WTF was she doing inside the polar bear pen?
[06:11:13] kormoc: I just worry bout the poor bears
[06:11:30] kormoc: I hope they're not killed cause she was a insane
[06:11:49] wagnerrp: well she was cited for trespassing
[06:12:49] kormoc: There's been plenty of times in the US that a dog has been put asleep for biting a burgler, and same with zoo animals :(
[06:13:05] iamlindoro: Hopefully they're more sensible than that
[06:13:08] wagnerrp: seriously?
[06:13:20] kormoc: Seriously
[06:13:37] wagnerrp: thats like breaking into someones house, falling down the stairs, breaking a leg, and suing for an unsafe criminal environment
[06:14:33] wagnerrp: she does seem to be a large woman
[06:14:34] kormoc: I actually knew a family who had their dog forciably put down after it nipped a kid a tad too hard while they were playing. The parents took the kid to the hospital to get it stitched up, they called animal control. Animal control showed up and had the dog put down
[06:14:39] wagnerrp: she saw food and jumped in after it
[06:14:42] ** kormoc sighs **
[06:14:49] kormoc: I really hate humans a lot of the time
[06:15:05] wagnerrp: that happened to my cousin's dog
[06:15:14] wagnerrp: chow, named chewie
[06:15:31] wagnerrp: got a little too rough playing with the neighborhood kids
[06:16:26] kormoc: I think it was worse, the dog nipped it's owner's kid, noone complained nor wanted it down. Animal control just butted their way in
[06:16:27] ** kormoc sighs **
[06:16:59] kormoc: I wish humans could disappear without harming all the innocent animals.
[06:17:08] kormoc: but we're likely just gonna take them with us
[06:17:28] wagnerrp: you think animals are innocent?
[06:17:33] kormoc: Yes
[06:17:54] kormoc: If I jump into a bear cage and get killed, it's my own fault, not the animal's
[06:18:01] kormoc: same if I'm hiking in the woods
[06:18:10] wagnerrp: there are tons of species that will 'play' with their prey
[06:18:46] kormoc: meh, it's not the same level
[06:19:20] kormoc: they don't raise up their prey for years, keep it penned up and then kill it for acting natural, and not even eat it...
[06:21:44] wagnerrp: they still gained pleasure out of torturing another creature
[06:22:00] kormoc: meh
[06:22:05] wagnerrp: just because people are better at it doesnt make the concept different
[06:22:29] kormoc: I don't hold them accountable until they are considered self-aware / sentient / able to know better
[06:22:48] kormoc: we decide to act this way, they're just living up to their nature
[06:23:47] wagnerrp: animals have been shown to have decision making and reasoning skills
[06:24:38] kormoc: the concert of morality has yet to be shown
[06:24:41] ** kormoc shrugs **
[06:25:04] wagnerrp: what is morality?
[06:25:08] kormoc: heh
[06:25:13] wagnerrp: its been argued that there is no such thing as altruism
[06:25:22] kormoc: I only judge based on the morals I hold to
[06:25:33] kormoc: which tends to trend towards people suck
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[06:26:41] wagnerrp: that aiding your fellow man with no perceivable gain towards yourself, is still some evolutionary trait intended to progress the species
[06:27:14] wagnerrp: something that has just expanded from the times when the group you travelled with were all related to you
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[06:27:37] wagnerrp: i mean how is that different that pack and communal behavior shown in animals
[06:28:06] ** kormoc shrugs **
[06:28:11] kormoc: so perhaps we all should go then
[06:28:24] wagnerrp: its all just various different survival strategies
[06:28:33] kormoc: Nah
[06:28:35] wagnerrp: share with your pack, with the assumption they will share back with you
[06:28:48] wagnerrp: or fight your way to a position of power, so you can take what you want
[06:28:50] kormoc: There's a huge part of stuff that humans to that is entirely unrelated to survival
[06:29:59] wagnerrp: im sure you can track nearly every behavioral trait back to something related towards survival
[06:30:37] wagnerrp: sentience doesnt mean we arent still animals at heart
[06:30:42] ** kormoc raises an eyebrow **
[06:31:08] kormoc: it does mean that we have the ability and imho the requirement to move beyond that basic instinct
[06:31:20] kormoc: and I'd say there's a fair bit of stuff that doesn't trace back
[06:32:36] kormoc: the genocides based upon idea differences, the entire idea of ideas being dangerous to someone's survival seems counter to natural selection
[06:34:33] wagnerrp: its all a power grab
[06:34:40] wagnerrp: the other people are the competing tribe
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[06:34:56] wagnerrp: take out the other group to the advantage of your own
[06:35:07] kormoc: meh
[06:35:41] kormoc: it's all crap
[06:35:43] wagnerrp: you could claim that the true believers perhaps have nothing to do with survival
[06:36:01] wagnerrp: but whos to say the people that started any religion were true believers
[06:36:15] wagnerrp: rather than someone grabbing for power by some sort of divine right
[06:36:55] wagnerrp: or by trying to show themselves as superior because they could explain some natural phenomenon
[06:37:03] wagnerrp: they were a prophet or truth-seer
[06:44:01] wagnerrp: i just look at our behavior, and the behavior of some of the more advanced mammals
[06:44:06] wagnerrp: and i dont see a whole lot of difference
[06:45:39] wagnerrp: i mean come on... adolescent male dolphins engage in gang rape
[06:50:05] wagnerrp: at nature reserves, male elephants will rape and kill rhinoceroses
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[08:57:24] BerryMarmalade2: hi, i have installed mythv from ubuntu 8.04 repository and y have a pinnacle 310i. I cand view analog but with no sound and when i put channels.conf in mythtv i have only timeouts errors in channels scan, if i use the same channels.conf in me-tv i can view dvb-t
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[09:02:26] BerryMarmalade2: hi, i have installed mythv from ubuntu 8.04 repository and y have a pinnacle 310i. I cand view analog but with no sound and when i put channels.conf in mythtv i have only timeouts errors in channels scan, if i use the same channels.conf in me-tv i can view dvb-t
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[09:26:30] wombo_: goto > #ubuntu-mythtv
[09:26:44] wombo_: and yes we did hear you the first time.
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[10:46:21] grokky_: ooh. I think I'll wait for mythmusic to be mythui'd before I try and theme it. yikes!
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[13:18:33] jduggan: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151427/show_pro . . . ype=extended <- is that viddypow compatible?
[13:18:47] jduggan: ima say yes, but some of you video geeks can confirm? :P
[13:18:59] jduggan: (vdpau) ;)
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[13:24:24] gbee: yeah
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[13:25:33] gbee: pricey though
[13:27:02] jduggan: yea but i dont have to pay for disks, ram or cpu
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[13:27:18] jduggan: just need a board and case
[13:28:24] gbee: mine cost half that for the same features, AMD though
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[13:29:58] gbee: Asus as well
[13:31:39] jduggan: hmm, well i need a new board and would prefer integrated video, figured it was worth paying for a vdpau capable board, and i have to go intel because i have a free c2d cpu
[13:34:05] gbee: mines an 8200 and doesn't have the DisplayPort connection (as though I'd ever use it), but it's otherwise identical in spec, aside from being geared for AM2+ (Dual/Quad Athlon)
[13:34:43] iamlindoro: *sigh*, it'd be nice to look at TMDB's "New movies" RSS feed and not see 5x the same movie for once
[13:35:17] gbee: oh and it's ATX, but there are revisions of the same model available in matx
[13:38:23] iamlindoro: gbee, It might have been scrolled out of your scollback by all the netsplits last night, but I was wondering if the gradient imagetype might be better moved to the new shape widget
[13:38:52] iamlindoro: Though from looking at the code it might take some real work, just thought those two might be more compatible with one another
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[13:41:30] gbee: I was thinking the same actually, I saw your comment but as you weren't going to be online at that time I didn't bother to reply
[13:42:39] iamlindoro: Cool... started to look at doing that yesterday, but found it was going to take longer than the few minutes I had :)
[13:43:16] iamlindoro: Though it might be a simple matter for someone who... whassitcalled... "knows what they're doing."
[13:45:46] gbee: easy enough for the QT painter, not sure about GL
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[13:49:30] trumee: gbee, what 8200 board do you use?
[13:50:11] gbee: Asus M3N78
[13:51:48] trumee: gbee, is 8300 (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/160925) better than 8200 (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/152752) ?
[13:53:24] gbee: it's an overclocked 8200, slightly faster, runs a little hotter but for a frontend the difference is minimal
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[13:53:58] trumee: Not worth more money i guess then.
[13:55:54] trumee: what sort of cheap cpu i can buy from ebay for this board. i guess vdpau will take most of the load
[13:57:51] gbee: if you want real cheap then sempron, I went for a low TDP 2.5Ghz x2 because I'm using the machine as more than a frontend and wanted it to be capable of HD h.264 without relying on vdpau
[13:59:10] gbee: i.e. http://www.ebuyer.com/product/134749
[13:59:54] gbee: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/144638 is what I've got, but I thought I'd paid less for it
[14:01:42] gbee: yeah, price has gone up nearly £10 since I bought it from ebuyer
[14:02:05] trumee: can a sempron handle HD with 8200 vdpau?
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[14:02:35] gbee: should have no trouble
[14:02:43] gbee: in theory anyway
[14:03:41] trumee: guess i might be able to source cpu from ebay
[14:04:18] gbee: brb, just realised that I never re-enabled fan control after reset the bios the other week, wondered why I could suddenly hear this thing :)
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[14:08:17] iamlindoro: SciFi/SyFy should really be prevented from making their own movies somehow
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[14:39:30] iamlindoro: Now I'm convinced he's an illiterate tool
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[16:19:06] bwlang: i want to record over the air HDTV 2 channels at once. seems that there are a few popular options – hdhomerun,2xpchdtv cards, 2x hvr-1250 cards. Any reason not to go with the cheapest of these? Did i miss something in my research?
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[16:31:00] gbee: right, patch hell ... which ones do I need to export tv recording to mythvideo and fetch fanart, figuring that there are at least 3?
[16:32:06] iamlindoro: #6346, then #6158, last patch on each
[16:32:43] iamlindoro: Might need some fuzz on one or both, but both should still apply. If not, I'll get you a combined patch
[16:33:39] gbee: tvdb grabber?
[16:34:09] iamlindoro: That too if you want to use the tvdb grabber, but to use just the export functionality you only need the first two
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[16:34:58] iamlindoro: The export only picks up on fanart/banners/etc. already on your drive, it doesn't pull in new ones where none exist
[16:37:10] gbee: ok
[16:37:29] iamlindoro: Hard to make it make sense without you having seen it
[16:38:54] iamlindoro: in short, the easiest way to set up would be to apply the two patches and install the tvdb grabber, and export the first episode of the series. Because no episodes of that series exist in your system, It should get exported (by default, and it's user configurable) to "$Mythvideodir/Television/The Wire/The Wire 1x01 – Subtitle.mpg"
[16:39:29] iamlindoro: Then go into mythvideo and download the metadata on that episode. You should now have fanart, banner, and cover.
[16:39:54] iamlindoro: The next export you do, it will automatically determine it is The Wire 1x02 – Subtitle, and pick up on the existing fanart/banner/cover
[16:41:40] iamlindoro: When you get to 2x01, you would do a "Export to MythVideo->Export (Start new Season)", which will increment the last seen season by one
[16:42:32] iamlindoro: And on the off chance that you start your exports in the middle of a show and the first you export isn't 1x01, you would do "Export to Mythvideo->Export with custom name/location" which will allow you to set the season and episode manually
[16:42:45] iamlindoro: after which the auto-increments will work
[16:42:53] iamlindoro: It makes a lot more sense when you start using it :)
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[16:45:05] gbee: cool, thanks for the walkthrough
[16:45:14] gbee: cut and paste that into the wiki ;)
[16:45:38] iamlindoro: I'm around today if you play with it... and when/if it gets committed I'm happy to document the whole thing
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[16:47:11] gbee: then I'll have to go into the database and edit the paths to make it SG friendly
[16:47:23] Exstatica: i have a wierd problem, i load the mythfrontend, and i go to setup and there is no text anywhere
[16:47:26] iamlindoro: yeah, That's what I've been doing
[16:47:38] iamlindoro: Actually run a quick script that replaces the /path/to/
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[16:47:49] iamlindoro: Which is obviously sub-optimal
[16:48:02] iamlindoro: But the tools to hunt for images/etc. in SG just don't exist yet
[16:50:32] gbee: ah crap, just realised I'll need to install python
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[16:56:01] Exstatica: anyone? I have no text on the mythfrontend setup section
[16:56:11] Exstatica: tried QT tried openGL
[16:56:15] Exstatica: neither fixed it
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[16:57:57] sphery: Exstatica: you have text on the main menu?
[16:58:28] Exstatica: i'm geyes
[16:58:30] Exstatica: yes
[16:58:53] Exstatica: all the other menues work fine, but the setup portion to select things and choose video players and such are all blank
[16:59:05] sphery: Where exactly do you lose text?
[16:59:15] Exstatica: the theme selection
[16:59:48] sphery: I.e., you can get to Utilities/Setup|Setup|Appearance without problems, but when you enter Appearance, you have no text?
[16:59:54] Exstatica: right
[16:59:55] sphery: if so, I'd suggest it's a broken Qt theme
[16:59:59] Exstatica: i can't tell which theme to use
[17:00:00] sphery: not a MythTV theme
[17:00:15] sphery: Myth defaults to using the one specified on your system
[17:00:27] sphery: so you could use Qt3 tools to change teh Qt theme
[17:00:40] sphery: then restart mythfrontend and it may work
[17:00:53] Exstatica: alright let me try it
[17:01:45] sphery: Exstatica: if it doesn't work after changing it externally, you may need to do: mythfrontend -O StyleSetting=somethingthatdoesnotexistasaqttheme
[17:01:52] sphery: (i.e. exactly like that would work)
[17:02:06] sphery: If you happen to know what Qt themes you have available, you may be able to use one
[17:02:17] sphery: something like: mythfrontend -O StyleSetting=Platinum
[17:02:19] sphery: might work
[17:02:25] sphery: even without changing the external
[17:02:45] sphery: Once you've done that, if it works, make sure you change the "Qt Style" setting in settings
[17:04:05] sphery: If that still doesn't work, it's possible that you're just seeing the text, but it's so small you don't realize it's there
[17:04:30] Exstatica: well if i move back and forth real quick it glitches for a second and i can see the text
[17:04:55] sphery: that would indicate that the theme is working, but some video card/driver stuff isn't
[17:05:15] sphery: which would suggest you need to use a different painter and/or different X.org/video driver settings
[17:05:27] sphery: make you sure test out: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt
[17:05:50] iamlindoro: gbee, If you haven't applied any patches yet, I found that I made some improvements locally to the export patch, am uploading a new one now
[17:06:36] Exstatica: changing the qt didn't work
[17:06:49] Exstatica: and i am running mythfrontend on qt
[17:08:30] sphery: iamlindoro / wagnerrp : A certain person's arguing about DVI/HDMI capabilities is getting very annoying (because he's wrong and won't admit it)...
[17:08:59] sphery: we'll see if he comes back (after telling wagnerrp and I that we're wrong) and tells danielk that he's wrong
[17:09:30] iamlindoro: sphery, I am out of patience with him.. I really want to just tell him how he is perceived by everyone who matters, but all the clueless folks would just pipe up
[17:09:56] sphery: yeah, people always defend celebrities
[17:13:16] sphery: I don't think I'm going to respond to the "let's just change some starttime and totally screw up the schedule information provided by the listings" thread, again
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[17:13:45] sphery: Exstatica: I'm not sure what would cause it, other than broken drivers/video card config
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[17:19:32] Exstatica: me either, i've tried gl, qt, i've changed the qt config to a differen theme
[17:19:39] Exstatica: i've got nothing
[17:24:54] Exstatica: I found a blog entry about setting libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 in the xvmc config, so trying that with a reboot
[17:26:05] Exstatica: didn't make a difference
[17:26:13] Exstatica: i have no idea why i can't see any drop down boxes
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[17:34:16] Exstatica: btw this is what it looks like
[17:34:16] Exstatica: http://www.exstatica.net/mythtv/mythfrontend-error.jpg
[17:34:56] iamlindoro: Has someone already mentioned making sure msttcorefonts are installed?
[17:35:18] Exstatica: no, but i verified that they are installed
[17:35:44] sphery: you said you see the text flash up there when scrolling?
[17:36:00] iamlindoro: And given your problem is in the Qt-themed screens, it seems pretty likely your Qt install is somehow broken
[17:36:02] Exstatica: if i move between fields fast enough for a half a second i can see the text
[17:36:14] sphery: What resolution?
[17:36:18] Exstatica: it doesn't work in opengl
[17:36:26] Exstatica: 1024x768
[17:36:31] Exstatica: i've tried going down in res
[17:36:33] Exstatica: same issue
[17:36:42] sphery: there should be plenty of room at that res
[17:36:50] Exstatica: i've tried different themes same problem
[17:36:57] Exstatica: i've changed qt themes same problem
[17:37:04] sphery: is this some language that requires very long words?
[17:37:33] Exstatica: english
[17:37:47] Exstatica: using the restricted driver with nvidia
[17:37:50] sphery: and 0.21-fixes (versus trunk/unstable/development)?
[17:37:51] kormoc: Queen's or Yank's?
[17:38:04] kormoc: (that's just me being difficult, ignore that :P)
[17:38:24] Exstatica: queens
[17:38:36] Exstatica: i'm not sure i'm usign the ubuntu repos
[17:38:36] sphery: I don't think the extra "me" on "program" would be enough to make it go over the available space ;)
[17:38:49] iamlindoro: Whose repos *are* you using?
[17:39:07] ** iamlindoro worries that he knows whose **
[17:39:17] ** sphery didn't want to ask that question **
[17:40:52] Exstatica: the stock intrepid
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[17:42:30] Exstatica: Package: mythtv-frontend
[17:42:30] Exstatica: Versions:
[17:42:31] Exstatica: 0.21.0+fixes18722–0ubuntu1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_intrepid_multiverse_binar y-i386_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status)
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[17:43:45] thedarkone: hey all
[17:44:13] thedarkone: i tring to get nvidia graphic to work i keep getting low graphic mode
[17:45:02] gbee: damn, first episode of the series doesn't want to transcode
[17:46:02] sphery: Exstatica: got another *nix computer? Can you try: ssh -Y <hostname> (followed by) mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt
[17:46:31] sphery: I think there's something broken on the system you're using and have a feeling that displaying it on a different computer would work fine
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[17:51:14] gbee: ah, this probably requires the old mythvideo directory setting to work :/ "Copy unsuccessful, check all permissions."
[17:52:39] iamlindoro: yep
[17:53:09] iamlindoro: Relies on those settings (as well as those for fanart/banner/et al) and that they be locally mounted
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[17:54:09] gbee: locally mounted, but using storage groups, oh well
[17:54:51] iamlindoro: Now you'll fix this and learn that while it copies it just sits there looking like it's locked up. Yay!
[17:55:16] gbee: no progress/busy dialog?
[17:55:19] iamlindoro: Implemented a busy dialog that *should* have worked... but didn't. I welcome help on that :)
[17:55:53] iamlindoro: No way AFAIK with the utils.cpp copy function to get progress, so busy would be the best I could do
[17:56:04] gbee: guessing that the copy is done in the UI thread, that would block the busy dialog from being displayed
[17:56:18] iamlindoro: yeah
[17:56:22] sphery: yeah, after all, that other guy who promised some work on stuff that would help you out on the moving things/etc. isn't too productive...
[17:57:00] gbee: I can maybe see what would be required to put the copy in it's own thread
[17:57:32] iamlindoro: Well I just want to see that it works/makes sense to you, which I hope it will
[17:57:58] iamlindoro: Reason I'm a little anxious/embarrassed to have you look at it is that it's pretty rough/unfinished in a couple spots, that being one
[17:58:06] sphery: I'm hoping to get some time for Myth in about a week or 2--after getting things locked down on my current project.
[17:59:00] iamlindoro: promises, promises... ;)
[17:59:51] sphery: Now to do yard work (including 40 (2-cu-ft) bags of mulch) so I can work on my project tomorrow/tonight.
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[18:02:20] gbee: iamlindoro: menu stuff looks sound, but the lack of storage group support stopped me pretty early :)
[18:02:51] ** gbee was in the garden earlier, weeding mostly **
[18:02:57] iamlindoro: gbee, Not much I can do about it, there's just nothing in the storage group code to allow for me to hunt for images, copy a file into or between storage groups, etc.
[18:03:28] gbee: maybe GreyFoxx will have some time to add the necessary stuff
[18:03:40] iamlindoro: Are you giving up on it, or...?
[18:05:05] gbee: might setup a non-storage group location, but it just adds a bunch of steps to the process
[18:06:53] gbee: oh that's handy though, the default export directory format matches what I was already doing Television/name/
[18:07:10] iamlindoro: Because the defaults match my own setup, hehehe
[18:07:19] gbee: Film/Title.mpg etc
[18:07:50] iamlindoro: Anyway, I am as frustrated as anyone at my inability to finish it, but I just don't know the Storage Group stuff well enough to get it done myself
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[18:08:40] iamlindoro: In my mind I need three things-- the ability to query the backend for the optimal spot to move it, the ability to move a file between storage groups, and the ability to return a QStringList of all files in a given storage group, regardless of host
[18:09:04] thedarkone: anyone help me i am tring to get my native res to work but i keep getting not supported
[18:09:21] thedarkone: my vizo is 1366x768 native
[18:09:29] gbee: iamlindoro: animation won't work, but if you create the busy dialog before calling copy it should at least be displayed
[18:10:23] gbee: ok, exported and the title in Watch recordings because "The(?:\s|-|_|\.)?Wire"
[18:10:55] gbee: bug #1 ;)
[18:11:42] iamlindoro: I've seen that one before, but it's very intermittent so I haven't managed to track it down yet
[18:13:15] gbee: http://pastebin.ca/1389810
[18:13:38] gbee: dunno where it transferred the file, it's not where it should be
[18:14:02] iamlindoro: Don't have a screenshot dir set in Mythvideo?
[18:15:26] iamlindoro: Anyway, that bug is related to the other one
[18:15:54] iamlindoro: Actually pretty sure it's a bug in the image hunt code
[18:17:52] kormoc: Haha, epic
[18:17:54] gbee: still don't know where it exported the file to
[18:18:02] iamlindoro: gbee, "titleIn.replace(" ", "(?:\\s|-|_|\\.)?");"
[18:18:04] gbee: oh my home directory
[18:18:08] iamlindoro: comment that out
[18:18:25] kormoc: T:TSCC has a little girl telling Shirley Manson that she can't sing
[18:18:28] ** kormoc laughs so hard **
[18:18:34] laga: T:TSCC?
[18:18:39] laga: is that some star trek thing?
[18:18:45] stevep: What is the best remote control setup for mythTv?
[18:18:57] kormoc: Nah, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chrononicals
[18:19:05] laga: ah
[18:19:13] dustybin: my lord
[18:19:15] dustybin: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/comp.os.mini . . . 5a044b?pli=1
[18:19:20] iamlindoro: gbee, Let me test this fix, think it ought to work, gimme a few
[18:20:16] gbee: ok
[18:20:57] iamlindoro: gbee, And make sure you have banner/fanart/screenshot/cover directories defined and locally mounted in utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->General
[18:21:46] gbee: just done that, still fails http://pastebin.ca/1389824
[18:22:11] iamlindoro: Think that's the title replace screwup though
[18:23:37] iamlindoro: Actually don't quite remember why I did the replace thing, but it's a definite screwup
[18:25:45] iamlindoro: OK
[18:25:52] iamlindoro: gbee, can you please try commenting out that one line?
[18:26:26] iamlindoro: "titleIn.replace(" ", "(?:\\s|-|_|\\.)?");" in PlaybackBox::testImageFiles
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[18:26:59] iamlindoro: Everything still seems to work without it, so I have a bad feeling it was something that got into my patch for that a while back that once served a purpose and now breaks things
[18:28:10] iamlindoro: I think it was *supposed* to allow something like "TheWireSeason1.jpg" to still match the image hunt, but I can live without matching that
[18:28:29] gbee: k
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[18:31:56] stevep: where can i find information on tested setups for a mythTv box?
[18:32:19] kormoc: what's a tested setup?
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[18:32:25] kormoc: my setup is tested, I guess
[18:32:36] stevep: kormoc: like machines/hardware known to work well/
[18:33:00] gbee: well almost, but not quite – "The Wire 65535x32677 – The Target.mpg"
[18:33:02] stevep: kormoc: cause obviously, you want it to be quiet but powerful
[18:33:02] kormoc: stevep, out side of the capture card, it's just pretty much whatever works with linux
[18:33:25] stevep: kormoc: oh then what's the sweet capture card?
[18:33:32] iamlindoro: gbee, You applied the export patch and the Mythvideo Subtitle/Season/Episode patch?
[18:33:35] kormoc: Depends on what you are doing with it
[18:33:43] stevep: i want to spend the $$ where necessary, and go cheap where i can
[18:34:00] stevep: watching/burning dvd video, recording digital cable shows
[18:34:03] kormoc: HD/SD Digital/Analog/OTA/Satalite/etc
[18:34:28] stevep: HD Digital
[18:34:32] kormoc: well, burning dvd's is myth archive, which I can't comment on if it's reasonable or not
[18:34:43] kormoc: so you have firewire or the hdpvr as your choices really
[18:35:02] stevep: for what?
[18:35:12] kormoc: for capturing
[18:35:15] stevep: oh ok
[18:35:17] stevep: :)
[18:35:26] stevep: im not really up on video terminology
[18:35:30] stevep: im a programmer :)
[18:35:43] kormoc: so the best place to read up on the devices are on the wiki (wiki.mythtv.org)
[18:35:56] gbee: iamlindoro: yup, looks like those values aren't initialised to zero btw
[18:36:20] stevep: kormoc: also with remote controls?
[18:36:37] cityOfLights: hi guys, how can I finetune a chanell while watching it?
[18:36:37] iamlindoro: gbee, Get, getLastSeason and GetLastEpisode shoudl return 1 when there's no existing value
[18:36:41] iamlindoro: er Hmm,
[18:36:46] kormoc: I'd recommend the mce usb remote controls personally, but anything that works with lirc should do the trick
[18:37:08] stevep: kormoc: is the hd pvr only an external box?
[18:37:14] kormoc: yes
[18:37:21] stevep: that kinda sucks
[18:37:28] gbee: iamlindoro: unless title is empty, then they'll return uninitialised values (random junk)
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[18:37:29] ** kormoc raises an eyebrow **
[18:37:39] kormoc: it's typically a tad better that way imho
[18:37:47] stevep: kormoc: howso?
[18:37:48] iamlindoro: gbee, DOH
[18:37:50] iamlindoro: I see the problem
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[18:37:59] stevep: kormoc: i mean, i would think you'd want a system that fits in one box
[18:38:01] iamlindoro: gbee, use the patch I uploaded this morning
[18:38:10] iamlindoro: gbee, I broke something in the next oldest patch that I fixed locally ages ago
[18:38:15] stevep: kormoc: so it fits in the space available near the TV
[18:38:46] iamlindoro: gbee, Like you said, need to be initialized to 0, which is just what I did weeks ago, was sure I had uploaded the fix but obviously I didn't
[18:38:50] kormoc: stevep, rather then having a hot card in your small box, increasing the heat load and thus requiring more, louder cooling, you can tuck it behind the tv or the like so you don't have to cool it with the other super hot computer parts
[18:38:52] stevep: kormoc: i suppose i could get a nice big PC case and build this thin into it
[18:39:05] iamlindoro: gbee, I'm *really* sorry for all the trouble, I lost track of what was fixed locall and in the ticket
[18:39:07] stevep: kormoc: oh i see
[18:39:21] stevep: kormoc: is this the capture card YOU have?
[18:39:42] kormoc: stevep, also, your form factor doesn't require a full sized card to fit, so you can get a lot more creative with the case options
[18:39:51] kormoc: stevep, not currently, iamlindoro I belive does, as does a few others
[18:39:56] cityOfLights: my problem is that I see a chanell in tvtime, ran a scan in mythbackend and done see it here
[18:40:03] kormoc: my box is currently down for the count until I get some more cash together
[18:40:18] stevep: kormoc: something blow up?
[18:40:55] kormoc: Nah, I moved and now my server isn't anywhere near the tv, so I need to get a dedicated frontend and I switched from SD to HD, and thus need to get the hdpvr
[18:41:28] stevep: ah
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[18:41:40] stevep: kormoc: so you are planning this purchase then
[18:41:51] kormoc: The plan is a macmini + hdpvr, which it a tad under a grand, hence gotta save up
[18:41:52] kormoc: Aye
[18:42:02] stevep: indeed
[18:42:25] stevep: oh and it comes with a remote
[18:46:23] cityOfLights: oh come on guys
[18:46:40] cityOfLights: can anyone help me?
[18:47:43] cityOfLights: I am using europe-west in mythtv and I used custom at tvtime to get the channel
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[18:48:16] cityOfLights: I may get away with converting the frequency I see to a SE12 channel
[18:48:57] cityOfLights: I mean a SE?? channel
[18:49:02] thedarkone: kormoc i have a question for ya
[18:49:22] thedarkone: how can i get ubuntu to see my hdtv threw component
[18:49:37] thedarkone: i tried doing hd720p in xorg
[18:49:54] thedarkone: and my tv says no signal lol
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[19:04:18] gbee: iamlindoro: newer patch didn't fix
[19:04:38] ivor: oh awesome.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4fPHt0FjEU
[19:04:39] iamlindoro: Still getting 65536 etc?
[19:05:11] ivor: thats the best thing I've seen for some time.
[19:05:32] gbee: nevermind, had to clear the old entry from the db first
[19:05:44] iamlindoro: whew :)
[19:05:52] iamlindoro: 'cause then I was going to be *really* confused
[19:05:57] gbee: which is logical really
[19:06:52] gbee: patch should still be updated to initialise those ints btw
[19:07:19] iamlindoro: gbee, Which ones? In the latest patch the season and episode are initialized to 0
[19:07:57] iamlindoro: unsigned int seasonValue = 0;
[19:07:58] iamlindoro: etc.
[19:10:36] gbee: retEpisode/retSeason
[19:10:42] iamlindoro: ahh, ok
[19:10:52] iamlindoro: thanks, I shall
[19:11:06] iamlindoro: sorry for all the trouble and thanks for the tips
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[19:13:46] gbee: hmm, it's trying to use tmdb instead of tmdb for the lookup
[19:13:58] gbee: tmdb instead of tvdb
[19:14:21] iamlindoro: gbee, is the season and episode somehow getting set to 0?
[19:14:24] gbee: which failed and then wiped all the metadata
[19:14:31] iamlindoro: should only use tmdb is both season and episode are 0
[19:14:33] iamlindoro: er if
[19:14:43] gbee: nope, 1x01
[19:15:10] iamlindoro: Check the edit metadata screen
[19:15:21] iamlindoro: and look at the spinboxes, those are 1 and 1 too?
[19:15:33] gbee: yes
[19:15:51] iamlindoro: I have an idea
[19:15:59] iamlindoro: okay, reset metadata on that one
[19:16:04] iamlindoro: and then look up again
[19:16:10] iamlindoro: should use tvdb
[19:16:42] gbee: looking at the logs it tried TVDB but then uses tmdb for the poster
[19:16:59] ** iamlindoro blinks confusedly **
[19:17:32] iamlindoro: I can't even see how that would happen...
[19:17:38] gbee: http://pastebin.ca/1389873
[19:18:06] iamlindoro: You ran the reset metadata?
[19:18:19] iamlindoro: This is a bug in mythvideo, but only exposed here
[19:18:28] iamlindoro: ie it interprets inetref 0 as different from 00000000
[19:18:49] iamlindoro: resetting metadata should allow it to set itself right, though
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[19:26:42] gbee_: accidently hit space, which started playback of Planet Earth – Ice Worlds, which lead to VDPAU causing the machine to lock up
[19:26:51] iamlindoro: Heh... did you catch my last bit?
[19:26:55] gbee_: f@$*king vdpau
[19:27:04] gbee_: about inetref?
[19:27:18] iamlindoro: Mythvideo interprets 00000000 = "I don't have an inetref, let's do a title lookup," but 0 as "Oh, I must already have an inetref
[19:27:28] iamlindoro: "
[19:27:51] iamlindoro: But the reset metadata should have allowed the process to work normally
[19:28:12] gbee_: ok, that brings up a search results dialog with two entries but no text
[19:28:35] gbee_: it's 50:50
[19:28:43] iamlindoro: Erm... can I see the log output?
[19:28:45] stevep: does mythTv support a blu-ray disc ROM?
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[19:29:08] kormoc: DOPPLEGANGER!
[19:29:18] iamlindoro: just fixed the inetref thing locally, so that will be fixed in the next patch
[19:29:36] gbee: http://pastebin.ca/1389886
[19:29:46] iamlindoro: Heh
[19:29:52] gbee: assuming you were expecting more ;)
[19:29:58] iamlindoro: well that one's not on my head, I have no idea what it's doing now :)
[19:30:03] gbee: file?
[19:30:11] iamlindoro: I've never seen a blank button returned
[19:30:20] iamlindoro: Lemme try it locally
[19:30:33] gbee: heh
[19:30:46] gbee: ran it from the terminal and got an answer, sort of
[19:31:03] gbee: http://pastebin.ca/1389888
[19:31:46] iamlindoro: gbee, all 6 or so files from the tvdb tar need to be in the scripts dir
[19:31:59] iamlindoro: For reference I get two returns, "Wire in the blood" and "the Wire"
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[19:32:26] iamlindoro: Selecting the wire I get cover/banner/fanart as expected
[19:33:06] gbee: working now
[19:33:31] iamlindoro: For reference, after all this pain, your subsequent exports should work nicely, including picking up all those images, heh
[19:33:37] gbee: Wire in the blood is ITV iirc, 'im from Robson and Gerome
[19:33:42] ** iamlindoro is embarrassed **
[19:34:35] gbee: hmm, fanart from tvdb is a different aspect, not 16:9?
[19:35:07] iamlindoro: It seemed to be here, I already cleared it though
[19:35:13] iamlindoro: The two-tone one?
[19:35:21] gbee: description from tvdb sucks a little :/
[19:35:43] iamlindoro: gbee, if you want you can just rm the export and re-export
[19:35:45] gbee: yeah, in Terra it's not filling the screen
[19:35:47] iamlindoro: it'll pick up the graphics now
[19:36:19] iamlindoro: rm, scan for changes, re-export that is
[19:36:20] gbee: but I'll lose the year/director ... might be a fair trade though
[19:36:55] iamlindoro: Year works if it's in your listings info (or at least, where I expect it to be)
[19:37:02] iamlindoro: Director needs a programinfo expansion
[19:37:17] gbee: ok, overall nice feature, just needs polish :)
[19:37:37] iamlindoro: Yeah... thanks for helping improve it-- just having to talk someone through it helped me fix multiple things
[19:37:51] iamlindoro: But yeah, some stuff I can polish, some is out of my hands
[19:38:02] hachi: ugh... ccache hate
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[19:38:24] gbee: can tvdb do lookups by subtitle instead of episode/season?
[19:38:38] iamlindoro: yes
[19:38:46] iamlindoro: although that's unimplemented in my patch
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[19:39:53] gbee: k, that's going to be more useful here in the UK, as it is I'll have to sit with an episode guide filling out the numbers for my Planet Earth episodes etc
[19:40:57] iamlindoro: It's tough for legacy material, but works well for new material and file imports
[19:41:13] iamlindoro: ie if you import a file called "Planet Earth 1x01 – Blah" then it will automatically set season and episdoe
[19:41:31] iamlindoro: and subtitle
[19:42:04] iamlindoro: So if your files are named remotely logically, it may be worth it to remove and reimport to have it automate the setting of all that
[19:42:46] iamlindoro: But I definitely see your point-- may need to think about how to do it in a friendly way
[19:44:14] gbee: http://pastebin.ca/1389900
[19:44:45] iamlindoro: You'll have to ask RDV_Linux about that one, it's his script
[19:44:47] gbee: files are named "title – subtitle"
[19:44:59] iamlindoro: I suspect it's the same as the old genre bug
[19:44:59] gbee: RDV_Linux: your scripts busted m8
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[19:45:10] iamlindoro: where if genre was empty it would give a similar error
[19:45:44] iamlindoro: gbee, what show, so I can try to fix?
[19:45:55] gbee: Nature's Great Events
[19:46:38] gbee: actually I lied, these ones are named "title: subtitle.mpg"
[19:46:58] gbee: which breaks the metadata search, I'm having to manually enter the search title
[19:50:12] iamlindoro: gbee, while I'm seeing that error too, it still downloads all the stuff here-- are you seeing the same?
[19:50:30] iamlindoro: something about wildebeast and zebra :)
[19:51:30] gbee: yep
[19:51:52] iamlindoro: Well, I'm sure RDV_Linux will work that part out
[19:52:16] iamlindoro: Forgive the hacked-in-ness of the subtitle/season/episode in Terra, btw
[19:52:47] iamlindoro: Almost certain it pertains to the cast being null
[19:55:23] iamlindoro: gbee, FWIW I just tested my fix for the inetref thing, I'll have that up in the ticket today
[19:56:34] gbee: weird, the fanart aspect thing looks like something was screwed up in Terra in svn vs my local copy
[19:59:44] iamlindoro: Not sure if you saw, but anything downloaded from TTVDB is named by default in a format that will work in the PBB
[20:00:02] iamlindoro: so if you want to play with fanart etc. in the PBB you will have images that work right off the bat
[20:03:42] RDV_Linux: gbee: I just got back and will check out the issue you pasted.
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[20:19:35] mchou: anybody know if ati xv implementation is stable enough for myth?
[20:20:21] gbee: Catalyst?
[20:21:21] mchou: gbee: I dunno, havent been following ati. Just need some guidance whether I should by mobo or no for myth (for a non techy friend)
[20:21:31] mchou: s/by/buy)
[20:21:59] gbee: I've been using ATI for over a year (IGP)
[20:22:05] mchou: just need xv implementation that has no tearing or other flackiness
[20:22:15] mchou: flakiness*
[20:22:33] gbee: ah, well there is a small amount of tearing occassionally with the ati driver
[20:22:54] gbee: most of the time I don't notice, but it's there all the same
[20:23:06] mchou: bah
[20:23:09] mchou: that sucks
[20:23:23] mchou: this dude is going to notice
[20:23:39] mchou: works in animation studio
[20:23:44] thedarkone: i having a problem with nvidia i can do 800x600 but nothing higher
[20:24:20] sid3windr: does your monitor advertise the correct modes in the edid data?
[20:27:04] mchou: It's really too bad too
[20:27:15] mchou: this mobo has displayport
[20:27:20] mchou: shucks
[20:27:35] mchou: stupid ATI
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[20:31:48] RDV_Linux: gbee: Please do me a favour and run ttvdb from the command line like "ttvdb -v". The version you should be using is "v0.9.1" a fix for genres and cast issues were made in that version.
[20:33:39] thedarkone: no clue
[20:33:39] thedarkone: i using a visio
[20:33:39] thedarkone: tv
[20:33:39] thedarkone: says it native res is 1366x768
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[20:34:33] gbee: RDV_Linux: 0.9.1
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[20:40:03] iamlindoro: gbee, Adding a custom metadata download menu. Will allow lookups by title/subtitle, and manually picking the grabber
[20:40:28] iamlindoro: Should have something cooked up in an hour or two if you are around
[20:40:54] iamlindoro: will also add an "Image only" download
[20:40:57] gbee: probably won't be, but I'll read scrollback
[20:41:45] iamlindoro: or just commits, I'll comment in the ticket
[20:44:19] thedarkone: anyone
[20:44:42] thedarkone: i got it to work on component but now it will not go past 480i
[20:46:09] RDV_Linux: gbee: Please post the exact video file name that you are getting the error with? It will help me isolate the problem.
[20:46:51] thedarkone: http://pastebin.com/m2ef70959
[20:46:58] thedarkone: is my xorg conf
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[21:01:27] gbee: RDV_Linux: is it not in the pastebin?
[21:02:20] gbee: completely screwed my video database trying to get it back to using storage groups having re-enabled the local directory stuff, pretty pissed
[21:02:46] gbee: now I've got to re-download metadata for 100+ files
[21:03:47] gbee: after re-downloading I've then got to manually mangle all the paths back to what they should be for the storage groups
[21:03:50] RDV_Linux: gbee: DAH yes it was, working on it now. sorry
[21:04:07] gbee: serves me right for playing with unfinished features
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[21:09:28] RDV_Linux: gbee: I did not have an issue (at least from the command line) see http://pastebin.ca/1389983 Can you try from the command line like I did and post the results?
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[21:10:59] thedarkone: i guess i can type till my fingers are blue but no one gona answer
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[21:12:46] gbee: RDV_Linux: http://pastebin.ca/1389985
[21:13:34] iamlindoro: OK, got image only downloads working for you, gbee :)
[21:13:41] iamlindoro: should ease your export pains
[21:14:41] RDV_Linux: gbee: Strange but I am still looking, Thanks for your patience.
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[21:19:58] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, working on implementing search by title/subtitle, but seeing an issue
[21:20:16] iamlindoro: multi-part episodes fail the search because of the part number appended to the end
[21:20:34] iamlindoro: ie "Doctor Who (2005)" "The Parting of the Ways" fails
[21:20:43] iamlindoro: ie "Doctor Who (2005)" "The Parting of the Ways (2)" succeeds
[21:21:02] stuarta: evening all
[21:21:13] iamlindoro: hola stuarta
[21:21:14] RDV_Linux: gbee: Red faced here. I found out I mixed up on the version number and did not post the version that included the cast fix, Sorry for the hassle. I will poster a v0.9.2 tonight.
[21:21:16] gbee: damn it, anyone remember what settings I need to delete for the storage group stuff to work in mythvideo? I'm stuck with an odd node atm and the stuff that used to be in the local folder is appearing under 'unknown prefix' for some reason
[21:21:43] ** stuarta reads up on why pulse audio is shit **
[21:21:43] iamlindoro: gbee, The prefix on the filename must be removed, and a hostname added
[21:22:01] gbee: iamlindoro: ahh, it'll be hostname that I forgot
[21:22:51] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, It would also really help me if there were a way to return results from the -N option as "Season:1" and "Episode:13"
[21:23:09] iamlindoro: Even if that means a new option
[21:23:54] gbee: right, that's a little better, now I need to figure out how to re-add the coverfile without losing all my metadata by redownloading
[21:24:17] iamlindoro: gbee can send you a shortish patch for the image only download
[21:24:34] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: Give me an exact video file name for the Doctor Who problem. The issue may be that an episode must match what is on thetvdb.com. Give my a minute to look into your -N option question
[21:25:37] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, It's not a filename, it's the -N option
[21:26:09] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, Most people will add their files and the subtitle will be "The parting of the ways" and not "The parting of the ways (2)"
[21:26:12] gbee: iamlindoro: might be the easiest solution
[21:26:18] iamlindoro: so a search by title/subtitle will fail
[21:26:21] iamlindoro: gbee, okay, hang on
[21:27:49] iamlindoro: gbee, Actually, I don't think it will work for your purposes yet
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[21:28:04] iamlindoro: gbee, the image only download requires an inetref be set, and you lost those, yes?
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[21:29:14] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: If I understand correctly you want the -N option to be returned as a string for "Season:#\nEpisode:#\n" where '\n' is a new line character? Please confirm.
[21:29:27] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, yes, that was the second thing, yeah
[21:29:34] gbee: no, I only lost the coverfile, messed up the directory strip query and wiped the column
[21:29:45] iamlindoro: gbee, ah, ok, then hang on a sec
[21:30:01] iamlindoro: note that this is *very* sparingly tested here, but seems to work
[21:30:23] gbee: ah, but inetref == 0 or 0000000 for most things, which is odd
[21:30:52] gbee: sorry ignore that, it's just 0 for stuff exported from Watch Rec
[21:30:57] iamlindoro: okay :)
[21:31:11] thedarkone: iamlindoro i have my component in 720hd but looks like tv is way overscaned
[21:31:23] gbee: which are the ones where I want to keep the description, the rest I can do a normal metadata download
[21:31:28] gbee: so it's not going to help
[21:31:42] gbee: I'll just hack in the path for those manually
[21:32:01] gbee: still have the artwork, just missing the link in the db
[21:32:01] iamlindoro: gbee, Hmm... but the season and episode numbers still exist?
[21:32:47] rockx0zone: hello. I need some assistance with my pvr-150 not displaying any codes upon running the irw command. i can get it to display symbols when i run cat /etc/lirc0 however – can anyone help?
[21:32:48] iamlindoro: okay, will give you the patch and ask you to comment out one line, this should still work
[21:32:57] rockx0zone: im running mythbuntu 9.04
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[21:35:25] iamlindoro: gbee, http://rafb.net/p/Tj4Zrp33.html
[21:35:28] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: Your statement "multi-part episodes fail the search because of the part number appended to the end". I have to think more about. Assuming this is in regards to using the -N option to get season and episode numbers then I do a match on exact episode name. If users leave off the "(2)" then which episode number would you expect to get returned.
[21:35:54] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, with the -N option, if you don't include the (2) then nothing is returned
[21:36:03] iamlindoro: and no user will have those on their subtitles
[21:36:28] iamlindoro: gbee, That *should* work to pick up the local copies of poster/banner/fanart, but I haven't tested it under your conditions
[21:36:35] RDV_Linux: I know that but what would you like returned?
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[21:36:59] iamlindoro: gbee, Manage Video->Custom Download-> Image Only Download
[21:37:09] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, I'd like the season and episode returned!
[21:37:33] iamlindoro: ie the search should work without the (1), (2), etc., but it doesn't
[21:39:12] iamlindoro: gbee, Damn it, one extra hunk got in. http://rafb.net/p/JuaygT63.html
[21:39:49] gbee: thanks
[21:40:13] iamlindoro: gbee, AFAICT assuming you have the images all already downloaded, that *should* be enough to pick them back up from the disk
[21:40:35] RDV_Linux: Fine, but I will in most cases (1) is episode #1 and (2) is episode #2 (e.g. Battlestar Galactica Mini-series). I could always in those cases return episode number 1 or rather the first episode number of the two part sequence. Would that meet your needs?
[21:40:36] iamlindoro: gbee, since it hunts first for "$title Season $season#.ext" before trying a download
[21:41:03] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, That's not so, though-- TVDB appends them to regular multi-part story arcs
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[21:41:17] iamlindoro: example, Doctor Who (2005) 1x12 and 1x13
[21:41:35] iamlindoro: "Bad Wolf" and "The Parting of the Ways"
[21:41:35] gbee: managed to restore them all manually, at least the tvdb stuff, the films are another matter – not looking forward to repeating those actions for near 100 of those
[21:41:56] gbee: but glad that I'm not one of those file hoarders with several thousand
[21:42:09] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, If you search ttvdb.py -N "Doctor Who (2005)" "Bad Wolf" you get nothing
[21:42:15] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, but you *should*
[21:42:29] iamlindoro: To get results, you need to do ttvdb.py -N "Doctor Who (2005)" "Bad Wolf (1)"
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[21:42:36] iamlindoro: and no user will understand/know/have that
[21:42:41] iamlindoro: gbee, Heh
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[21:42:52] iamlindoro: gbee, FWIW I've accidentally blown it all away twice working on this
[21:43:07] RDV_Linux: Ok I will check out your example and get back to you. I want to post the fix for the problem with cast that gbee reported.
[21:43:44] iamlindoro: okay, no rush, need to write the MythVideo part for it anyway
[21:46:20] gbee: being a user for a couple of hours was stressful, really knackered
[21:46:44] iamlindoro: I sense my chances of gbee ever trying one of my patches again evaporating
[21:47:59] stuarta: i seem to have not received the -commit messages for r20347 and r20349
[21:48:04] stuarta: anyone else seen them?
[21:48:12] gbee: heh, probably has much to do with the unfinished storage group code that I insist on using
[21:48:56] gbee: stuarta: at least one, if not both of those commits were so large that the emails probably bounced
[21:49:23] stuarta: hrm
[21:49:27] gbee: touched almost every file, so I'm guessing the email was over 1Mb
[21:49:37] thedarkone: can some tell me how componet res works on xorg?
[21:50:21] ** stuarta looks up those changesets **
[21:50:41] gbee: "Cleanup: svn props like mime type and eol-style, including fixing one file that contained both LF and CRLF line endings" and "Cleanup: svn props like mime type and eol-style"
[21:50:55] stuarta: yeah
[21:51:02] ** stuarta blames xris **
[21:51:18] gbee: I did actually get an email for one, but not the other
[21:51:45] gbee: no, I lie, must have read the commit message elsewhere
[21:53:30] cityOfLights: ok, I searched google and the mythtv wiki
[21:53:45] cityOfLights: how do you finetune while seeing the picture?
[21:54:06] cityOfLights: or everybody went dvb?
[21:54:59] stuarta: gbee there were quite a few similar commits
[21:55:32] ** stuarta watches some golf on tv **
[22:00:09] ** gbee blames the golf for losing the last minute of a film the other night **
[22:00:43] stuarta: :(
[22:01:03] stuarta: thats the sort of thing i wouldn't discover for months tho
[22:03:28] gbee: only noticed because I wanted to crop the start/end before exporting to mythvideo
[22:04:05] gbee: haven't watched the film yet
[22:04:13] stuarta: which film?
[22:04:18] gbee: The Others
[22:04:42] stuarta: ah, think i've still got it recorded from 3 years ago
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[22:06:12] stuarta: there it is. 1st Apr 2006 :)
[22:06:23] gbee: no doubt it will be reshown at some point
[22:06:45] cityOfLights: is it good?
[22:07:13] stuarta: erm....
[22:08:12] stuarta: whoops, just recorded a film i already have recorded...
[22:10:03] Guest21906: hi! I can't scan for DVB-T channels from mythtv does anyone knows how to bypass this problem? I read something about manual importing channes into the database but it is too much difficult for me... much simpler would be a script that makes it for me...
[22:10:24] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, You can hold off changing the -N return results, I can parse it from what's there
[22:10:25] gbee: it's effectively a twist on his last film, Abre los ojos, different setting, characters and the nature of the story is different enough but the themes and twist are pretty similar
[22:11:08] gbee: I could compare it to another couple of more well known films, but that would probably spoil the ending
[22:13:38] rockx0zone: it looks like mythbuntu adds a line tot he lircd.conf file that points itself to another conf file? is this why IRW doesn't work?
[22:13:40] gbee: I wouldn't say it's a bad film, but it's not all that original, the only thing that sets it apart is the period setting
[22:15:34] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: I just added the feature all you need is to set the return format as "Season:%d\nEpisode:%02d" I am about to release the fixed cast and the feature above within 10 minutes.
[22:15:54] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, okay, I will just go with whichever I can parse out most easily :)
[22:16:04] iamlindoro: options are always good
[22:16:21] RDV_Linux: Try to do someone a favour:-D
[22:16:56] iamlindoro: Heh, try to avoid the need for a favor...
[22:17:10] iamlindoro: For reference, this isn't for my own benefit
[22:17:46] gbee: heh, missing the first 10 minutes from Full Metal Jacket too
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[22:18:02] gbee: can't blame the golf for that one though
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[22:19:05] iamlindoro: Hmm, okay, in theory I should now have Title/Subtitle search working
[22:19:14] iamlindoro: In a "totally untested and who the heck knows" sort of way
[22:24:40] i_is_cat: anyone have any suggestions how i could get the ir receiver on my gigabyte saa7134 global tv card to work on linux? aside from writing my own driver.... which its looking like i might have to do...?
[22:29:41] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro and gbee: just committed the ttvdb v0.9.2 which should fix the cast problem and add iamlindoro's unwanted feature:-D
[22:30:40] iamlindoro: :P
[22:31:55] Guest21906: Does someone else can't scan for DVB-T channels with mythtv?
[22:32:28] gbee: ooo, Memento is on next week
[22:34:20] mchou: memento is nowhere as good as slumdog millionaire (which is also told via flashbacks)
[22:37:25] rockx0zone: can anyone help me out with some questions regarding the hauppauge 1600 remote? (pvr-150)? When I run sudo mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 --raw i can see the codes but i can't get it to work in mythtv
[22:38:29] rockx0zone: irw doesn't work because it's looking for commands in the lircd.conf file but instead of having the commands in lircd.conf, lircd.conf points to /usr/share/lirc/remotes/hauappage/lircd.conf.hauppage so I am assuming irw wont work so i had to use mode2
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[22:43:36] rockx0zone: nevermind, ...that's so weird that mythbuntu did that. I just copied the right codes for my remote straight into the lircd.conf file
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[22:54:34] RDV_Linux: ianlindoro: I looked into the episode titles with (1) endings. There is a mix on thetvdb.com some where part (2) has the exact same episode name (Battlestar Galactica "Miniseries" and "Razor") and those like "Doctor Who (2005)" where the second episode has a different name.
[22:54:35] RDV_Linux: I am going have to think about a balance for exact matches and returning "something" for an inexact match. If you having any preferences please state them.
[22:56:11] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, If the multiple identical exists it's okay to ignore them/say no or inconclusive result-- but when they differ (a la Doctor Who) I would say that the (1), etc. should be ignored
[22:56:48] iamlindoro: as 99% of the cases will be people looking up differently named episodes
[23:02:15] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: I am with you. If there were two episodes with exact episode name like "Razor" and the (1) was not supplied I could return e.g. 00x04 and 00x05, In that way you get your pick. Where there is only one pure match less the (#) I can always give back the proper episode number as you described.
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[23:35:28] iamlindoro: Woo hoo! She work!
[23:35:47] iamlindoro: Although at the moment it'll only take the first result, what the hell
[23:47:24] iamlindoro: !trout Qt I'll handle the thinking around here
[23:47:24] ** MythLogBot slaps Qt with a I'll handle the thinking around here trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **
[23:48:22] iamlindoro: Mwaaaaahahahaha I rule
[23:48:29] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: What works?
[23:48:48] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, Metadata download with only title/subtitle
[23:49:01] iamlindoro: also added a "image only" metadata download
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[23:50:43] RDV_Linux: Good I will likely implement the requested change to return season and episode numbers on partial tomorrow, I have a severe issue with jamu and unicode video names I am trying to resolve. I will see how I can balance to two priorities,
[23:51:09] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, The current script will cover 99.9% of everyone's stuff, so I'm in no rush
[23:51:54] RDV_Linux: OK bugs first then new features. I worked out hoe the new feature will work so it should not take too long,
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[23:52:17] RDV_Linux: s/hoe/how/
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[23:56:27] iamlindoro: So very impressed with myself right now ;)

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