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| [00:01:03] | dmz: | and is there anything that a frontend could do to cause schedule to get borked? i changed the priority of one item and the entire lineup of programs disappeared, i have to manually rerun mythfill |
| [00:01:15] | sphery: | Shadow__X: I'm using an RF remote, so I don't need the long cable (but it's on a relatively long USB cable, anyway, so I do have it in the TV room) |
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| [00:01:42] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [00:02:01] | sphery: | dmz: run optimize_mythdb.pl (or in MythWeb hit the Repair Database button in Setup under Database) |
| [00:03:05] | sphery: | meshe: not including storage and capture cards, I wouldn't pay more than $200 for a case, PSU, mobo, CPU, RAM, graphics, and sound. (And I only get 80 PLUS PSU's, now, which are about $40 on sale.) |
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| [00:03:30] | sphery: | oops... that was for methods, but he left right before my auto-complete... sorry, meshe |
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| [00:07:12] | methods: | sphery: if you put it in the closet are you running an ir reciever to the tv too ? |
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| [00:08:00] | sphery: | RF remote |
| [00:08:16] | sphery: | but it has a long USB cable, so I ran it through the wall, too. |
| [00:08:17] | methods: | you mean it will go through walls and hit your cloest ? |
| [00:08:36] | sphery: | yeah... I use it in all the rooms in my house (for controlling music playback) |
| [00:08:48] | methods: | wow but is it tiny or gigantic ? |
| [00:09:44] | sphery: | It's an ATI Remote Wonder |
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| [00:10:20] | sphery: | mine: http://ati.amd.com/products/remotewonder/index.html , the 2nd version (that's worse): http://ati.amd.com/products/remotewonder2/index.html |
| [00:10:58] | methods: | so can mythtv act as a box or do you still need your tv box to decode the signal ? |
| [00:11:06] | sphery: | the one I want is the new ATI Remote Wonder Plus, but you can only buy it with a video card and I don't need the AMD All-in-Windows video cards (i.e. the All-in-Wonder brand's video capture is Windows only) |
| [00:11:26] | sphery: | The Plus: http://ati.amd.com/products/remotewonderplus/index.html |
| [00:12:05] | methods: | yea ati is out there some times.... but they are getting better recently... i hope they continue to be more user friendly to the open community |
| [00:12:31] | sphery: | I send all signals to my Myth box (as the RW does /not/ send IR, so won't work with "standard" consumer remote technologies). My Myth box then does the right thing--including sending an IR signal to my A/V receiver or TV or ... |
| [00:13:05] | sphery: | I.e. LIRC receive with Remote Wonder and LIRC transmit with a homebrew serial transmitter |
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| [00:13:43] | sphery: | (though, really, I don't use the IR to control my TV because it's not in the same room and I keep telling myself I'm going to write a program to send the Serial commands to the TV, instead, but haven't gotten around to it) |
| [00:14:08] | methods: | dam |
| [00:14:30] | sphery: | Though it wouldn't be hard to put an extra LED on a wire through the wall if I wanted to control the TV with IR. |
| [00:15:39] | methods: | yea that's why i think it's nice to have a small form box as the brains and a nas system in the closet ... |
| [00:16:18] | wagnerrp: | most people would put the NAS AND the brains in the closet |
| [00:16:37] | methods: | yea i guess |
| [00:16:38] | wagnerrp: | and then have a small form box functioning as the headend |
| [00:17:00] | methods: | idk but running the ir cables and have a nice wireless keyboard/mouse setup with a tiny box right behind the tv where you can put in dvd's and such etc... would be nice |
| [00:17:07] | methods: | ok yes that's good enough |
| [00:18:15] | wagnerrp: | i mean once you start adding tuner card, you leave the realm of small form factor |
| [00:18:48] | sphery: | I think it's hilarious to have my DVD drive in the other room... When I sit down with friends (who haven't learned, yet) to watch a movie and walk into the other room when they think we're all ready to go, they get a very funny look on their faces. |
| [00:20:06] | wagnerrp: | well you can always get a 5.25" USB bay, and run another cable through the wall |
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| [00:37:43] | kormoc: | Aww crap |
| [00:37:47] | kormoc: | Dollhouse was just canned |
| [00:38:58] | kormoc: | Or rather, they're not continuing after the ones they ordered |
| [00:39:11] | mikegriffin: | are there ways to obtain programming data for free? |
| [00:39:44] | kormoc: | mikegriffin, EIT data if you are using OTA |
| [00:40:36] | dmz: | sphery, the database is running, repaired ok; any suggestion on why it would just drop schedule data? |
| [00:40:36] | mikegriffin: | ok. are there no cable providers that have an xml feed they share with customers? |
| [00:41:04] | kormoc: | mikegriffin, no |
| [00:41:11] | abqjp: | kormoc, from what I read, they are not even going to show the 13th episode, even though it is ready. Something about it being a cliff-hanger for season two, and they don't want it to end that way.... |
| [00:42:18] | kormoc: | abqjp, nah, the 13th episode is actually the 14th, they scapped #1 and used it in other episodes and so #13 is actually #14 and is not one of the ones the network ordered, but the studio still made it for the dvd release |
| [00:42:24] | mikegriffin: | kormoc: are you aware of attempts to request said data from, say tw or comcast etc? did they respond? |
| [00:42:55] | kormoc: | mikegriffin, they won't, they sell it to Tribune Media Services, so they make money selling it, why would they give it away for free? |
| [00:43:09] | mikegriffin: | i am paying for it already? |
| [00:43:25] | kormoc: | Sadly, they feel otherwise |
| [00:44:22] | mikegriffin: | so if $cableCo has a list on their website and no TOS discrouraging it, i can legally scrape with python and output to xml for personal use in the usa? |
| [00:45:03] | kormoc: | Yes, but noone has found a single site that has a TOS that doesn't forbid that |
| [00:45:22] | kormoc: | (assuming you assume permissive defaults rather then restrictive defaults) |
| [00:45:26] | abqjp: | mikegriffin, schedulesdirect is very cheap, and gives you a full two weeks of information. Well worth the $0.34 per week. |
| [00:45:44] | kormoc: | (that assumption has never been challenged in court) |
| [00:46:26] | abqjp: | mikegriffin, sorry that should have been 38 cents per week |
| [00:47:08] | mikegriffin: | its really not about the money, i will likely end up paying. it is just data that i have already paid for |
| [00:47:48] | kormoc: | Have you paid for it? They sold you a content delivery service, I don't see anywhere on my bill a 'schedule data' charge |
| [00:48:34] | mikegriffin: | well its something that is avaible by use of their stb |
| [00:48:38] | kormoc: | Cause really, the schedule data belongs to the networks and you are paying the cable co, not the network |
| [00:48:51] | kormoc: | well, the cable co pays for that, and is limited by the network's terms of service |
| [00:49:10] | kormoc: | (or rather, most of the time the cable co's buy it from TMS) |
| [00:50:09] | abqjp: | mikegriffin, Part of the "service" that scheduledirect provides you, is guide data that is *easy* to integrate into Myth. It just is not worth wasting time trying to "stick it to the man". |
| [00:51:30] | mikegriffin: | this has been argued many times here i am sure but i am not trying to do anything to the man as i feel my usage of this data in no way impacts him |
| [00:52:06] | kormoc: | other then the fact the man wants you to buy it? |
| [00:53:09] | kormoc: | so SD pays TMS which pays the networks, every time you buy a TV guide, go to a website to look it up, or pay SD/TMS, the networks get money, so they see it as free data == less money (for them) and thus you would be impacting them |
| [00:55:42] | mikegriffin: | whos sd? |
| [00:56:36] | at0m|c: | the admin of http://mythportal.be/ , asked for price of the data for 6 million flemmish viewers, the reply was 10k eu/year |
| [00:56:41] | at0m|c: | insanety. |
| [00:57:11] | at0m|c: | just for a daily mythfilldb .tar.gz eh |
| [00:57:45] | GrahamIRC: | SD = Schedules Direct |
| [00:57:58] | mikegriffin: | sd == z2l? |
| [00:58:38] | at0m|c: | 10k eu would be the fixed price for an allowance for anyone offering the data – magazines, teletext, newspapers, websites |
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| [00:59:50] | kormoc: | For that one market and at his estimated usage stats |
| [01:00:11] | at0m|c: | indeed. our area covers about 6.000.000 people |
| [01:00:44] | at0m|c: | not for estimated usage stats – it's a regional fixed price, apparently |
| [01:00:48] | sphery: | mikegriffin: you're actually paying for a license to /use/ the data with your Cable co's DVR... You're /not/ paying for the data. |
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| [01:01:22] | mikegriffin: | stupid drm |
| [01:01:24] | sphery: | dmz: it shouldn't do that... usually when all schedules disappear, it's because you had a major database issue (lost DB connection or something). |
| [01:02:01] | kormoc: | It's not DRM |
| [01:02:17] | mikegriffin: | well they are telling me which device i can listen to my mp3 on |
| [01:02:32] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [01:02:45] | kormoc: | I fail to see how you got from point A to B there... |
| [01:02:51] | mikegriffin: | i didnt mind paying before i tried out wmce the other day and the listings were magically there |
| [01:03:31] | at0m|c: | mikegriffin: MS pays the official distributor to put it on their site, and allows MCE users to dl it |
| [01:03:34] | mikegriffin: | did microsoft just license the data and "take a loss" by giving it out to people who bought their software |
| [01:03:35] | kormoc: | that's cause Microsoft pays for the license as part of your os price |
| [01:05:04] | mikegriffin: | i dont understand it really. the networks could, if they wanted, have listings on their site (fox.com) and not be violating an agreement since they are the origin of the data? |
| [01:05:50] | kormoc: | heh |
| [01:05:59] | at0m|c: | mikegriffin: skiddy ice :> |
| [01:06:08] | kormoc: | So Fox pays TMS to post their listings, TMS pays Fox for the listings... |
| [01:06:20] | mikegriffin: | is that not an exclusivity contract? |
| [01:06:35] | kormoc: | It is |
| [01:06:43] | mikegriffin: | and such that, being the only company that has access to the data, a monopoly and illegal? |
| [01:06:50] | kormoc: | Negative |
| [01:07:03] | at0m|c: | yes, and if any site would distribute their contents in a grabber, they would violate their own contract w the official distributor |
| [01:07:17] | kormoc: | Monopolies are only illegal in certain cases (hence why every patent holder isn't a monopoly) |
| [01:07:40] | kormoc: | in anycase, you're getting into the realm of needing a lawyer to answer your questions |
| [01:08:02] | mikegriffin: | i know i fail at this, just really wish our system was not so f*d |
| [01:08:17] | mikegriffin: | /j ##eff :P |
| [01:08:23] | at0m|c: | they buy the contents for their site's visitors, or for their magazines buyers, or, or. Or they would be "falsifying competition", they cannot distribute it to other "distributors". |
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| [01:11:34] | sphery: | mikegriffin: Oh, if you meant you paid for the listings on MCE, then you've paid for a license to use the listings with MCE. You had talked about cable co's, earlier, so I thought you meant the listings you get through the cable co on their DVR. |
| [01:12:30] | sphery: | really, it's only leveraging a monopoly position to gain an unfair market advantage in another market that's illegal |
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| [01:12:34] | sphery: | monopolies are not |
| [01:13:35] | at0m|c: | it's a bit like getting cable then selling cable to your neighbours eh |
| [01:13:45] | at0m|c: | selling or giving |
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| [01:16:12] | dmz: | sphery i agree, my system has been running for years and all of a sudden started having problems. i saw a bunch of segfaults on my backend, so i removed my inputs, setup a new backend and stopped using old one. segfaults kept goign so i stopped using mythfill in the backend and run it manually every morning. i have no idea what happens to the schedule, it is there, then when i go back it's gone. very very wierd. i'd drop all & re |
| [01:16:12] | dmz: | build if i could somehow get my recordings and such into a new system; sigh |
| [01:16:15] | sphery: | kormoc: BTW, I responded to the hit-R-in-LiveTV-on-channel-with-no-listings guy on the -users list (to finally take it out of the bug database) |
| [01:16:25] | kormoc: | yay |
| [01:18:27] | sphery: | dmz: I /highly/ recommend this, then: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
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| [01:18:45] | sphery: | Dr sphery, Snake Oil specialist... |
| [01:18:52] | sphery: | (really, though, that snake oil works) |
| [01:19:38] | dmz: | sphery, already done the delete all and built new ones |
| [01:19:54] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [01:20:00] | sphery: | don't know what would cause it, then. |
| [01:20:15] | sphery: | is the DB still on the old system (that had segfaults)? |
| [01:20:25] | sphery: | if so, possibly a hardware issue causing DB failure? |
| [01:20:49] | dmz: | no everything has moved to new hardware |
| [01:21:20] | dmz: | it just drops all data, i don't know which table it's in, i want to see before & after and see if the data is still in there and what's different with it |
| [01:28:00] | sphery: | I'd bet it's just dropping the connection to the db |
| [01:28:17] | sphery: | I've heard of people having issues like that |
| [01:35:54] | CCFL_Man2: | what dvb-s cards does everyone recommend? |
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| [01:43:16] | mikegriffin: | did everyone see "Disney only made one movie and they've been tracing it ever since" |
| [01:43:24] | mikegriffin: | pretty neat http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1906578#ls:11111 |
| [01:43:31] | mikegriffin: | thanks for the advice earlier |
| [01:44:14] | Nockian: | i have a Hauppauge HVR-1600 and it's working great... i'm getting my channel guide for the analog side of the card through schedulesdirect.org... but what can i do to get the channel guides for the other (HD and digital) channels on the digital side of the card? |
| [01:45:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nockian: create another SD listing for the Digital channels. Use an adjacent zip code if you have to. |
| [01:45:26] | sphery: | Nockian: Schedules Direct has HDTV listings, too |
| [01:45:58] | Nockian: | okay... but how will mythtv know which listings are for which side of the card? |
| [01:46:05] | Nockian: | i know that they have all of my channels listed |
| [01:46:29] | sphery: | only use the adjacent zip if your analog channels are actually the same digital lineup (and you're using an STB to output to an analog encoder) |
| [01:47:26] | sphery: | Nockian: you need 1 video source defined for each group of channels that come into your Myth box through an input... So, one video source for the analog inputs on your analog capture card and one video source for the digital inputs on your digital capture card. |
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| [01:47:43] | Nockian: | i can check *all* of my channels in my zip code for the channels, but when they're downloaded with mythfilldatabase they show up for *both* sides of the card... so i'm getting two sets of channels for the same channel number, is that what i want? |
| [01:47:57] | sphery: | because you need 2 different video sources in Myth |
| [01:48:02] | sphery: | which means 2 different lineups on SD |
| [01:48:24] | Nockian: | sphery: okay... but how does schedulesdirect know the difference? i mean, wouldn't the user/pass be the same? |
| [01:48:38] | sphery: | i.e. video source = "the group of channels that I can get with a particular input" |
| [01:48:50] | sphery: | yes, same user/pass, but different /lineup/ |
| [01:48:53] | Nockian: | okay.. i see what you're saying |
| [01:48:57] | sphery: | SD website, create new lineup |
| [01:48:59] | Nockian: | i can choose a different lineup |
| [01:49:04] | Nockian: | that makes a lot of sense, thank you |
| [01:49:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nockian: You can have up to 4 lineups on Sd |
| [01:49:13] | Nockian: | excellent |
| [01:50:44] | Nockian: | ah, i see now... schedulesdirect even has a 'Cable' and 'Digital Cable' for my lineups, that makes it much easier |
| [01:53:07] | sphery: | yep... |
| [01:53:27] | sphery: | it's easy once you figure it out, but it's definitely confusing when you're first setting it up |
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| [02:03:44] | schtinky: | I've been told that China doesn't have anything equivalent to closed captioning or teletext... that the words are encoded directly into the video signal. Does anybody know if that's true? |
| [02:04:11] | schtinky: | It doesn't make sense to me becuase if you wanted to turn the text off, you'd have to have two separate video feeds... one with and one without |
| [02:04:38] | schtinky: | and it seems like it would be a major pain for the station broadcasting or cablecasting to encode words into the video feed |
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| [02:11:27] | meshe: | i've set my trunk install to allow mythbackend to run mythfilldatabase and it's doing updates every 3 hours |
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| [02:15:17] | sphery: | schtinky: Don't know about China specifically, but a lot of countries use an approach like that. However, it doesn't require 2 separate copies of the video--just a stream that includes only the pictures of the text that gets overlayed on top of the video. |
| [02:15:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | what's more likely is that China doesn't have any accomodations for the hard of hearing. |
| [02:15:37] | sphery: | I think the use of real text is actually less common in the world of digital tv |
| [02:15:58] | schtinky: | what do you mean by "real text"? |
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| [02:16:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | a "separate stream" is how DVDs handle subtitles. |
| [02:16:18] | sphery: | schtinky: and, this was the right channel--just have to give it enough time for someone who wants to answer to respond |
| [02:16:22] | meshe: | that's suprising since you'd think it would take less bandwidth to send text that the tv renders |
| [02:16:48] | sphery: | "real text" meaning data encoded as characters instead of pretty pictures that contain the text |
| [02:16:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | CC captions are very nice that way (nice and small) |
| [02:17:48] | sphery: | the pictures of text take very little bandwidth compared to the (quickly-changing) video, though, so... |
| [02:17:49] | schtinky: | I'm doing a little research into this right now, sphery. What countries specifically do you know that used "graphical text" overlays instead of encoded real text? |
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| [02:19:41] | sphery: | schtinky: I leave you in the hands of those far more knowledgeable than I: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/231851#231851 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/231852#231852 |
| [02:19:48] | sphery: | that's the best info I can give |
| [02:19:48] | schtinky: | gracias |
| [02:20:05] | sphery: | beyond that, see Google, I'd guess... |
| [02:24:14] | schtinky: | What is a TS stream vs a PS stream? |
| [02:24:18] | schtinky: | text and picture? |
| [02:24:40] | schtinky: | oh nvm, they're talking DVD |
| [02:24:42] | schtinky: | like Video.ts |
| [02:27:14] | sphery: | TS = Transport Stream, PS = Program Stream |
| [02:27:42] | sphery: | TS takes more bandwidth, but is more reliable, especially in the face of signal/transmission/reception problems |
| [02:27:52] | sphery: | TS is usually about 20% larger than PS |
| [02:28:10] | schtinky: | damn, I'm too ignorant to even know what questions to ask |
| [02:29:58] | schtinky: | does mythtv display text onscreen when it's this separate stream bitmap overlay? Or does mythtv only handle cc and teletext type feeds for now? |
| [02:30:28] | sphery: | I know Myth handles MHEG. I don't know if MHEG is used for this type of thing. |
| [02:31:01] | sphery: | I think it may be, but... |
| [02:33:20] | schtinky: | so when someone using mythtv ops to turn on their text, mythtv knows, based upon what card is being used, how to get the text stream, whether MHEG or captions or teletext? |
| [02:35:05] | sphery: | I think you enable MHEG in Myth settings. |
| [02:35:16] | sphery: | Then, when someone turns on MHEG, they can use that. |
| [02:36:07] | sphery: | I know that Myth will use either EIA-608 (analog VBI) captions or EIA-708 (ATSC) captions in the US. |
| [02:36:51] | sphery: | I don't know about DVB teletext, but I half remember there being some stuff about that in the file osd.cpp (IIRthefilenameC) |
| [02:37:21] | schtinky: | You can already get caps in the US using cards like the PVR-150... is that EIA-608 being used? |
| [02:38:22] | sphery: | yep |
| [02:38:30] | sphery: | oh, I should explain |
| [02:38:41] | sphery: | EIA-608 is used in the signal that goes into the PVR-x50 |
| [02:38:58] | sphery: | The PVR-x50 decodes the EIA-608 and puts it into the MPEG stream in some special (ivtv-specific) way |
| [02:39:08] | sphery: | Myth uses that if it's there |
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| [02:39:41] | sphery: | I don't think that Myth actually decodes EIA-608 captions, though |
| [02:40:00] | sphery: | (it has the beginnings of support for decoding EIA-708 captions, but much room for improvement) |
| [02:40:07] | schtinky: | so does mythtv at any point "know" the text it's displaying? |
| [02:40:17] | schtinky: | or is it just passing through the information in the stream? |
| [02:40:44] | schtinky: | let me clarify |
| [02:41:02] | schtinky: | could MythTV save the text to a txt file as it displays it? |
| [02:41:31] | schtinky: | Sounds like it's the card combining the text and picture info |
| [02:41:46] | schtinky: | and that mythtv doesn't ever parse the text separately, specifically |
| [02:43:26] | sphery: | schtinky: start up mythtv with -v important,general.osd |
| [02:44:09] | schtinky: | I actually don't have mythtv installed anywhere right now :) |
| [02:44:11] | sphery: | schtinky: oops, I mean: mythfrontend -v important,general.vbi |
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| [02:44:37] | schtinky: | I have before, though. What do you expect me to see? |
| [02:44:37] | sphery: | If Myth understands the text in the captions, it will output them to the logs with -v vbi |
| [02:44:57] | schtinky: | really? |
| [02:45:01] | sphery: | so, look for VERBOSE_VBI in the source and you can see where it outputs |
| [02:45:02] | schtinky: | that's surprising |
| [02:45:19] | sphery: | If they're pictures, it obviously doesn't know the text, so it doesn't output it |
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| [02:45:53] | schtinky: | i assume I would need to "watch tv" to get any output there |
| [02:46:19] | schtinky: | if I had multiple tuners on different channels, would it be jumbled together in VERBOSE_VBI output? |
| [02:46:28] | schtinky: | can mythtv keep them separate? |
| [02:46:30] | ** sphery wonders who this xris guy is that's committing stuff to MythWeb... ;) ** | |
| [02:47:28] | sphery: | schtinky: VERBOSE output just goes to one log file (i.e. one stream), but I don't think mythfrontend can play back captions on more than one video at once |
| [02:47:46] | sphery: | i.e. if doing picture in picture or picture by picture, you can only get captions in one, probably |
| [02:48:04] | sphery: | but, if not, and you need the text, just play back one at a time |
| [02:48:13] | sphery: | (each frontend has a separeate log file) |
| [02:48:17] | sphery: | :q |
| [02:48:27] | sphery: | oops... this isnt' vi |
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| [02:52:36] | schtinky: | hmmm |
| [02:52:54] | schtinky: | my alma mater's library just sent me an IEEE document on China teletext |
| [02:53:07] | schtinky: | claims China uses a Teletext protocol just like Europe |
| [02:53:20] | schtinky: | I wish i could get verification on that |
| [02:53:25] | wombo_: | hi, sphery I am having trouble with what you said last night about adding a dummy tuner with an mpeg2 file |
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| [02:53:53] | wombo_: | I have moved a recording from my main myth system to my desktop on the dev box |
| [02:54:02] | wombo_: | and renamed it to tuner.mpg |
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| [02:54:25] | sphery: | wombo_: and it's MPEG-2? |
| [02:54:41] | schtinky: | thanks for your help sphery. I'll go do some more looking into it |
| [02:54:42] | wombo_: | hmm thats a good point |
| [02:54:44] | sphery: | I remember that the UI didn't really like it when I set it up, but I don't remember the details |
| [02:54:54] | schtinky: | and test out the -v thing you said to try |
| [02:55:11] | sphery: | I think I had to do some direct DB editing to make it work (but start with the UI, then just correct whatever the UI refuses to accept) |
| [02:55:24] | wombo_: | Yeah it crashed mythsetup at the 'input connections' screen |
| [02:55:34] | sphery: | and if the data in the DB is important, backup firsthttp://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [02:55:52] | wombo_: | nah nothing in there matters |
| [02:55:54] | sphery: | I don't remember it crashing, but I don't think it allowed me to enter some of the info |
| [02:56:02] | sphery: | You can't do a channel scan on it, either |
| [02:56:06] | sphery: | that would probably crash it |
| [02:56:13] | wombo_: | yeah |
| [02:56:25] | sphery: | you need to add channels like you do for analog--with Fetch channels from listings source |
| [02:56:33] | wombo_: | just to confirm are you using Analog V4l or IVTV? |
| [02:56:42] | wombo_: | I have only ever needed DVB |
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| [03:11:13] | wombo_: | sphery, thank I got it. |
| [03:12:04] | wombo_: | I just skipped straight to the channels bit and added on manually without going into the DB, I called it ONE HD now XMLTV it setting up my guide data for it |
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| [03:14:14] | xris: | sphery: not just mythweb.. :) |
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| [03:14:42] | ** xris grumbles that the ffmpeg people still didn't add an "ipod" flag for mp4 encodes ** | |
| [03:15:19] | sphery: | xris: BTW, since you just wrote the exact same code in [20234] (unescape HTML entities in nuvexport's parsing of DBPassword), http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6446 might be a very easy patch to apply :) |
| [03:15:46] | sphery: | xris: and, yeah, you're really motivated tonight! |
| [03:16:08] | sphery: | you finally did #4754... thanks! |
| [03:17:05] | sphery: | wombo_: cool... glad it's working for you |
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| [03:21:28] | dmz: | are commercial flag settings set by each recording scheduled, or can i disable it somewhere and it just stops doign it? |
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| [03:22:39] | sphery: | you can enable/disable commflag jobs or you can disable commflag per channel or you can enable commflag per recording rule (though if the channel is marked commercial free, the job won't run) |
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| [03:23:57] | xris: | sphery: quite possible. |
| [03:24:20] | xris: | sphery: too many people complaining about new ffmpeg incompatibilities.. and I finally found an easy-to-build package so I can actually test this stuff. |
| [03:25:16] | sphery: | cool |
| [03:25:17] | wombo_: | sphery; http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dummy_Tuner |
| [03:25:24] | wombo_: | is that ok? |
| [03:25:26] | sphery: | wombo_: huge thanks... |
| [03:25:38] | sphery: | Yes... It's something that should have been documented long ago |
| [03:25:53] | dmz: | sphery if i disable commflag jobs will it disable all commflags from happening? and which setting would i set |
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| [03:26:02] | wombo_: | haha thats ok, I will probably need it later so its good for me there :) |
| [03:26:11] | sphery: | wombo_: Now, I don't have to give the "high level overview" (being extremely careful not to give any details since it's been so long since I've done it) when I'm mentioning it on the lists |
| [03:26:37] | sphery: | dmz: yeah, if you disable, it's can't be enabled by individual schedules |
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| [03:26:40] | wombo_: | can you just give it a quick check over to make sure I havent missed anything |
| [03:26:58] | sphery: | dmz: so if you disable on a channel, shows from that channel aren't flagged, regardless of rule |
| [03:27:47] | sphery: | wombo_: Can you mention that it's also useful for developing on a test-only system /and/--far more importantly--it's useful for people who want a "tunerless backend" |
| [03:28:38] | sphery: | wombo_: because Myth doesn't support tunerless backends, if you want to run a backend without tuners (i.e. MBE inside a virtual machine on a system that runs all the time with other backends shutting down when not needed), you need to set up a dummy tuner for them |
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| [03:29:08] | sphery: | wombo_: are you sure it's "Analog V4L capture card"? |
| [03:29:18] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure it has to be MPEG Encoder |
| [03:29:34] | wombo_: | It works for me :) |
| [03:30:10] | wombo_: | but I now added MPEG encoder as well. |
| [03:30:32] | sphery: | Can you try yours as "MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)" |
| [03:30:47] | sphery: | I don't have access to my dev box, now, to check out my config |
| [03:31:00] | sphery: | I know when Capt M set it up, he meant for you to choose MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500) |
| [03:31:35] | wombo_: | I havent got that option, but I do have MJPEG capture card (Matrox G200, DC10) |
| [03:32:02] | wombo_: | that seems fine as well |
| [03:32:08] | jams: | it's supposed to be mpeg2 |
| [03:32:09] | sphery: | your Myth wasn't compiled with ivtv support |
| [03:32:21] | sphery: | wombo_: I'm going to change it for the wiki page... |
| [03:32:36] | sphery: | wombo_: if others are lackign ivtv support, they can try the others and if they work, great :) |
| [03:32:36] | wombo_: | mine is back just let me commit first |
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| [03:34:01] | wombo_: | check it now |
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| [03:35:26] | jams: | you don't need to add channels & it can be set to eit or no video source listing. |
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| [03:36:17] | jams: | i guess if you plan on simulating channel changes it would be needed, but it's not required. |
| [03:36:28] | dmz: | sphery i am trying to trace down this schedule disapearing problem, i don't want to configure each channel, how do i easily just turn off commflag? where in settings do i disable it? |
| [03:36:40] | wombo_: | but also working on the listing/guide pages it is better |
| [03:37:02] | jams: | yes thats true |
| [03:37:09] | sphery: | wombo_: I got rid of the analog encoder part and added a little bit on how to get channels |
| [03:37:31] | wombo_: | looks good |
| [03:38:00] | sphery: | Let's leave it with the "right" encoder type and if others are lacking ivtv support, they can stumble upon something that seems to work (though it wasn't designed to :) |
| [03:38:09] | wombo_: | ok |
| [03:38:15] | sphery: | thanks, though, for doing that page |
| [03:38:29] | sphery: | often the worst part of getting something documented is getting someone to start it. |
| [03:38:46] | sphery: | I.e. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [03:38:53] | wombo_: | actually that bit about 'Fetch channels.....' |
| [03:39:07] | wombo_: | isnt that in the 'Input connections' page |
| [03:39:09] | sphery: | After a /long/ time, no one has taken the time to do the debugging for ATrpms/Ubuntu/Gentoo |
| [03:39:16] | wombo_: | which I cant access |
| [03:39:33] | sphery: | wombo_: yeah, it is |
| [03:39:37] | sphery: | I'll fix that |
| [03:39:39] | sphery: | thanks |
| [03:39:57] | sphery: | you did have to connect inputs, right? |
| [03:40:02] | wombo_: | sphery, and rip out the XMLTV IT bit too I was wrong |
| [03:40:32] | sphery: | you'd need the xmltvid if you manually create it and want mythfilldatabase to populate data for it |
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| [03:40:56] | wombo_: | yeah thats my thought Mythfill should do it |
| [03:41:00] | wombo_: | connect inputs? |
| [03:41:35] | wombo_: | ahh not I can get into the screen but it is blank and if I press enter it crashes out |
| [03:41:44] | wombo_: | I might trace it to see what is happening |
| [03:45:25] | sphery: | That may be the part that didn't work |
| [03:45:40] | sphery: | if you can get a good backtrace (or, better, a patch), it would be much appreciated. |
| [03:45:55] | sphery: | made a couple mods to the stuff I had wrong |
| [03:46:12] | sphery: | I'll leave it to you, now--I've gotta get back to work on my project (that's the reason my dev box is unavialable) |
| [03:46:12] | dmz: | ok for some reason it runs commflag & then the schedule data is gone |
| [03:47:04] | sphery: | dmz: there's no code in Myth that would ever try to do that, so something is /very/ messed up with your system |
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| [03:47:45] | sphery: | dmz: I would actually recommend you backup your DB, then drop the DB, then start mythtv-setup, then do a partial restore with plugin data ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _plugin_data ), then reconfigure |
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| [03:48:02] | sphery: | dmz: it's what I like to call the "MythTV spring cleaning" |
| [03:48:13] | sphery: | (and since it /is/ spring...) |
| [03:48:24] | sphery: | (at least in my part of the world :) |
| [03:48:38] | dmz: | heh, it is spring here too |
| [03:48:46] | dmz: | but damn i have other problems and no time for this :( |
| [03:49:15] | dmz: | my nice new $16,000 iscsi system has borked itself after attaching to 60 servers (disks) and now we have to schedule an upgrade & reboot; sigh |
| [03:49:26] | dmz: | i just want to catch my shows! |
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| [03:49:55] | CCFL_Man2: | dmz: all that for mythtv storage? |
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| [03:54:38] | dmz: | CCFL_Man2, no it's for a hosting company |
| [03:54:46] | dmz: | mythtv is what i use to keep my sanity :) |
| [03:55:06] | dmz: | i guess 3 or 4 years with the same box was going to die one day |
| [03:55:25] | CCFL_Man2: | oh |
| [03:56:22] | CCFL_Man2: | speaking of boxes |
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| [03:58:25] | CCFL_Man2: | i want to build a 2U or 3U server |
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| [04:01:48] | sphery: | Wow... xris is making up for lost time... |
| [04:05:24] | CCFL_Man2: | i want a low power server motherboard, but i need a gigE port |
| [04:05:39] | CCFL_Man2: | older server motherboards don't have gigE ports |
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| [04:16:56] | sphery: | iamlindoro: does this mean your net's back? |
| [04:26:53] | wagnerrp: | i didnt realize they actually took out all lines to anywhere |
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| [04:27:10] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was more just a reduction in capacity |
| [04:27:52] | wagnerrp: | you know... every time i solder something, i think... hey! it would be great to have some desk clamps |
| [04:28:09] | sphery: | that may be... |
| [04:28:21] | wagnerrp: | so then i dont buy any, and the next time i go to solder, i have no clamps, and repeatedly burn my fingers trying to hold too many things in positions |
| [04:28:30] | sphery: | I know he was on after he lost connectivity to his house, but I didn't ask for details on how... |
| [04:28:41] | sphery: | but he was iamlindoro with an underscore, then... |
| [04:29:10] | sphery: | heh, I have the clamps, but I lack the skills... |
| [04:29:34] | sphery: | thought I could buy enough equipment to help make up for lack of skills, but sadly, no. |
| [04:30:10] | wagnerrp: | i lack the knowledge |
| [04:30:39] | wagnerrp: | for instance i learned today that aluminum foil does not solder to whatever nickel tin crap im using |
| [04:30:55] | sphery: | Yeah, it's all black magic to me. |
| [04:31:07] | wagnerrp: | tried to repair the broken end to the base for a wireless mouse |
| [04:31:12] | sphery: | though I've never tried anything "out of the ordinary" |
| [04:31:30] | wagnerrp: | ended up just giving up, and wiring a new plug on, and replacing the DC plug |
| [04:31:38] | wagnerrp: | moving, rather |
| [04:32:02] | sphery: | cool |
| [04:32:14] | wagnerrp: | i think i would be golden if i just had something like a sewing thumble, but designed for soldering |
| [04:32:32] | wagnerrp: | most of my burns are thumb and forefinger, trying to hold wires in place |
| [04:32:34] | sphery: | only mouse I've ever had die drown on me... It actually squeaked when powered on after I spilled too much water on it (while it was powered on). |
| [04:33:11] | sphery: | still squeaks even though it's definitely dried out |
| [04:33:15] | wagnerrp: | i had mine plugged into a KVM mounted underside of my desk |
| [04:33:32] | wagnerrp: | except since you plug the power into the back of the USB plug, it would stick out a good three inches from the switch |
| [04:33:39] | wagnerrp: | and an inch or so past the edge of the desk |
| [04:33:43] | wagnerrp: | and i accidently bent it down |
| [04:34:00] | sphery: | yeah, those connections aren't made to endure strain |
| [04:34:40] | sphery: | you can actually short out the whole USB controller by twisting a usb plug enough |
| [04:34:43] | wagnerrp: | could be worse... i cracked a SD/USB card in half under similar circumstances on a full length workstation |
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| [04:35:04] | wagnerrp: | flash memory is very shiny |
| [04:37:12] | sphery: | I got stuck in a downpour in NYC trying to get a cab to the airport on a Friday night (2 hours to find one!) with my laptop in my laptop backpack. I thought it was toast, but after it dried, it worked fine. However, a USB flash drive in the case got destroyed. So, I tore it open and looked at the shiny chip. :) |
| [04:37:51] | sphery: | It was--as you said--/very/ shiny. |
| [04:38:15] | wagnerrp: | like, mercury shiny |
| [04:38:21] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:40:09] | sphery: | so... I'm on a roll on the project I'm working on, so do I stay up 'til 4:00am to get stuff done or go to bed at a semi-reasonable time and hope to be productive tomorrow... |
| [04:40:18] | mishehu: | funny, I've ended up with my usb flash drives being washed in the laundry and yet remain fully functional |
| [04:40:33] | sphery: | Yeah, I couldn't believe it got destroyed by the rain. |
| [04:40:34] | mishehu: | I'd have thought that the detergent would ruin them. |
| [04:41:21] | wagnerrp: | i can only think some water got in there, and didnt dry out before you plugged it in |
| [04:41:31] | sphery: | I couldn't get any computer to even recognize the device--even tried in Windows--no /dev/sda, even, let alone /dev/sda1,... |
| [04:41:40] | wagnerrp: | ive had whole phones go through the watch will no ill effects |
| [04:42:04] | sphery: | obviously the /dev/sda was in Linux, not Windows :) |
| [04:42:08] | wagnerrp: | wham... wham... wham.... i think theres something in the dryer! |
| [04:42:13] | wagnerrp: | hey look, its my phone! |
| [04:42:17] | sphery: | wow |
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| [04:42:35] | wagnerrp: | nokia, non-flip phone |
| [04:42:38] | wagnerrp: | that thing was a tank |
| [04:42:39] | sphery: | Usually water isn't a problem as long as it dries before getting powered... |
| [04:42:50] | wagnerrp: | the battery was obviously drained |
| [04:42:59] | wagnerrp: | but a couple hours charge, and it was as good as new |
| [04:43:07] | wagnerrp: | with a bit of extra lint lodged behind the screen |
| [04:43:17] | sphery: | I was thinking there may have been enough pollution in the water that it may have dried and left residue that caused a short |
| [04:43:28] | sphery: | but I have no proof of that |
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| [04:44:23] | sphery: | Yeah, the (rechargeable) batteries that were in my wireless mouse that drown were fine... They have some rust spots where water was inside the plastic wrap trapped water for a bit, but they work great. |
| [04:44:23] | wagnerrp: | its those damned russians, polluting the rain to destroy the purity of our bodily fluids |
| [04:48:27] | wagnerrp: | obviously no one has watched dr. strangelove recently... |
| [04:49:41] | sphery: | heh... it's been a while |
| [04:50:22] | sphery: | so, I think Linux 2.6.29.1 may have a bug in the loop module--otherwise, I can't explain the kernel panic I just got. |
| [04:50:22] | wagnerrp: | apparently ATT put up a $100K reward for the cable cutters |
| [04:50:31] | sphery: | nice |
| [04:50:39] | sphery: | hope they get caught |
| [04:52:14] | sphery: | I stand corrected... Null pointer error in the ext3 filesystem |
| [04:52:56] | sphery: | that answers my question about staying up--not motivated enough to work through that one tonight :) |
| [04:53:48] | wagnerrp: | a couple of the Conficker machines have activated, and started charging their users $50 for removal |
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| [05:04:41] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Yes, I was out until just a bit ago |
| [05:08:51] | iamlindoro: | No cable, no internet, no nothin' for about 8 hours at home |
| [05:09:11] | iamlindoro: | But only missed part of the first episode of the Office tonight, so not that bad all things considered I guess |
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| [05:21:08] | wagnerrp: | need some spoilers for the part you missed? |
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| [05:23:08] | RyeBrye: | wow, xris – lots of nuvexport commits. I take it nuvexport works now :) :D :D |
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| [05:48:18] | wombo_: | Does anyone know where the popup text is stored in Mythweb, more specifically 'category_legend'? |
| [05:48:29] | wombo_: | I am not changing it but want to look at how it was coded |
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| [05:58:41] | RyeBrye: | dunno. have you checked it out with firebug? |
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| [06:02:33] | ravi: | hi |
| [06:02:51] | wombo_: | I thing I found it thanks |
| [06:02:55] | ravi: | is there anything special i need to do to 'import' my existing video? |
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| [06:06:57] | ravi: | anyone? |
| [06:06:58] | sphery: | ravi: If you're using MythVideo, you simply specify the directory in the "Directories that hold videos" setting |
| [06:07:25] | sphery: | then, go into Utilities/Setup|Video Manager |
| [06:07:42] | sphery: | it will scan for new files in the MythVideo directories |
| [06:08:10] | sphery: | If you're using trunk, it's different, though, so I'm assuming you're using a stable/released version (i.e. 0.21-fixes) |
| [06:08:20] | ravi: | oh |
| [06:08:23] | ravi: | well I am using trunk |
| [06:08:48] | sphery: | If you want the videos in MythTV (the Watch Recordings screen), it won't happen (though you could manually do it, it's not worth the effort) |
| [06:09:03] | ravi: | right |
| [06:09:09] | ravi: | so I need mythvideo |
| [06:09:36] | sphery: | With trunk, you just tell it to scan (I think it's a menu entry while in MythVideo). Then, you basically need to wait long enough (or, to be sure, just restart the frontend) before you can see the new items. |
| [06:09:52] | aloril: | watching recording that is in progress works just fine, don't understand why it didn't work yesterday :-/ |
| [06:09:59] | sphery: | I recommend the restart the frontend (i.e. exit mythfrontend and restart the program--no need to reboot) |
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| [06:14:28] | wagnerrp: | ugh... myth doesnt like compiling with ffmpeg installed |
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| [06:30:15] | xris: | wagnerrp: I haven't had any trouble |
| [06:31:27] | wagnerrp: | xris: yeah, freebsd-only problem |
| [06:31:35] | wagnerrp: | my linux machines dont have the same issue |
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| [06:32:17] | wagnerrp: | once i get this compile done/installed, ill go back and see what the problem is |
| [06:32:41] | wagnerrp: | its including the ffmpeg headers from two different locations, and the compiler doesnt like the function redefinition |
| [06:37:25] | CCFL_Man2: | anyone use a rev 2.8 technisat skystar 2? |
| [06:37:44] | CCFL_Man2: | the linuxtv seems a bit terse on it's support |
| [06:39:31] | wagnerrp: | why do graphics cards advertise with rendered models that cannot possibly be rendered in real time on the card in question |
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| [06:41:43] | ChinoChano: | yep guys |
| [06:42:30] | ChinoChano: | came back... the channel scan performed properly (so many channels...) but i have now another problem: if I run mythfrontend from USER terminal, |
| [06:42:34] | ChinoChano: | http://pastebin.com/m14f34725 |
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| [06:43:48] | sphery: | ChinoChano: did you look at http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mysq . . . orage+engine |
| [06:44:30] | ChinoChano: | wow not. sorry. apologizes. i just woke up and i have to leave to the airport. didn t use the basics. :( soory |
| [06:44:41] | wagnerrp: | i also seem to be missing a 'IsPulseAudioRunning' function |
| [06:45:00] | sphery: | ChinoChano: use optimize_mythdb.pl as a start (it will do the repair) |
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| [06:45:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that's probably danielk's recent commit to detect Pulse audio |
| [06:45:37] | sphery: | might be an incorrect #ifdef around it |
| [06:45:43] | sphery: | (or missing, I should say) |
| [06:45:53] | wagnerrp: | the compile broke while linking 'mythtv' because i dont have pulseaudio installed, when the entire purpose of the routine is to tell me it is not compatible with mythtv |
| [06:45:57] | wagnerrp: | oh how the irony... |
| [06:46:12] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20310 |
| [06:46:40] | wagnerrp: | well its a very simple fix in the code anyway... |
| [06:46:52] | wagnerrp: | although i wouldnt know how to go about properly fixing it |
| [06:47:26] | sphery: | hmmm.... Looks like it should be there and working if you got a good checkout and build (and all your systems have the same rev) |
| [06:47:40] | wagnerrp: | probably more freebsd issues |
| [06:47:45] | sphery: | i.e. mythbackend/mythfrontend/libs all same rev |
| [06:47:58] | sphery: | it actually looks like it should work, based on the commit |
| [06:48:02] | ChinoChano: | in google they say to repair database.. but what you say: i don t know how to perform it. |
| [06:48:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: actually, are you using --enable-symbol-visibility? |
| [06:48:51] | wagnerrp: | as a configure flag? no |
| [06:49:07] | sphery: | yeah, nvm... it's actually correct for symbol vis, anyway... |
| [06:49:26] | sphery: | I don't see why that would fail unless your libs are broken |
| [06:49:34] | sphery: | I recommend a make clean and/or make distclean |
| [06:49:50] | sphery: | and definitely reconfigure--I think gb ee forgot to and had problems |
| [06:50:11] | wagnerrp: | this was a clean and current repository |
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| [06:53:23] | wagnerrp: | i dont see any definition of 'IsPulseAudioRunning' anywhere in the code |
| [06:53:27] | ChinoChano: | Is this script in python? (i m afraid my python is broken) where can i get this script? |
| [06:53:47] | wagnerrp: | im my local copy of the code |
| [06:54:06] | wagnerrp: | maybe grep failed, the track changeset says it should be in trunk/mythtv/libs/libmyth/util.cpp |
| [06:55:26] | ChinoChano: | ok it s perl. but it s not in /usr/local/bin/ and not on my system... |
| [06:55:28] | sphery: | ChinoChano: optimize_mythdb.pl is perl and it's in the contrib directory of the source distribution |
| [06:55:49] | sphery: | often distributed in packaged version in /usr/share/doc or something |
| [06:55:53] | CCFL_Man2: | debian lenny doesn't have kernel 2.6.28 |
| [06:55:56] | sphery: | try locate optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [06:56:19] | ChinoChano: | /usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/mythtv/mythtv/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [06:56:22] | ChinoChano: | thanks |
| [06:56:41] | sphery: | ChinoChano: or, if you have mythweb running (and your backend is running), you can use MythWeb's Settings under Database and hit the Repair button |
| [06:57:15] | sphery: | and that optimize_mythdb.pl will probably only work if the backend is running (I should really test that theory one of these days) |
| [06:57:17] | ChinoChano: | thanks for the hint |
| [06:57:27] | CCFL_Man2: | old technisat skystar 2 cards are hard to find |
| [06:57:39] | ChinoChano: | i ran optimize and it worked properly (backend running) |
| [06:58:05] | CCFL_Man2: | the newer revisions use a conextant frontend |
| [06:58:28] | sphery: | ChinoChano: I'd restart all my Myth programs after running it, too |
| [06:58:43] | sphery: | since it seems your DB may have been in a bad state... |
| [06:58:44] | ChinoChano: | ok! thanks |
| [06:58:53] | ChinoChano: | i deleted some files |
| [06:58:59] | ChinoChano: | that s why. |
| [06:59:20] | wagnerrp: | sphery: maybe i didnt distclean first... i thought i did |
| [06:59:26] | ChinoChano: | gotta go. thanks guys! thanks sphery ! |
| [06:59:34] | wagnerrp: | but that would explain why it failed at link, if i was using an old compiled library |
| [06:59:59] | CCFL_Man2: | debian lenny seems so behind, what should i use? |
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| [07:00:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, with our build system, it sometimes doesn't notice when libs need recompiling |
| [07:03:19] | sphery: | that's why I just always start with a fresh working copy (I tar'ed it up after svn co, then work, then rm -r, then untar, then svn up, then tar, ...) and ccache... I never run into the "should have run make distclean" that way :) |
| [07:06:13] | wagnerrp: | i should make it a practice to distclean after i install |
| [07:06:35] | wagnerrp: | of course if i forget at the beginning, whos to say i wont forget at the end |
| [07:08:13] | sphery: | heh |
| [07:08:24] | sphery: | if you distclean, make sure you've set up ccache |
| [07:14:31] | wagnerrp: | well this cant be good.... |
| [07:14:45] | wagnerrp: | windows has scheduled a mandatory reboot in 5 minutes for updates |
| [07:14:52] | wagnerrp: | i could have sworn i had automatic updates turned off |
| [07:16:52] | wagnerrp: | seems its not a normal shutdown, because a command line 'shutdown /a' fails |
| [07:17:09] | wagnerrp: | 10 seconds, i guess i should close stuff.. |
| [07:18:03] | wombo_: | I am just writing up a help screen for the Recording Schedules – Custom screen |
| [07:18:18] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm not sure what dvb-s pci card and linux distro to use |
| [07:18:33] | wombo_: | could someone please help explain the use of the ' Additional Tables' textbox? |
| [07:18:42] | wombo_: | > Mythweb BTW |
| [07:18:43] | wagnerrp: | CCFL_Man2: why would the linux distro matter? |
| [07:19:03] | wagnerrp: | use whatever youre comfortable with |
| [07:19:22] | CCFL_Man2: | wagnerrp: because of the kernel version it has, which some dvb-s cards need drivers |
| [07:19:38] | wagnerrp: | again... why would distro matter? |
| [07:20:33] | CCFL_Man2: | debian lenny i want to use, but it comes with 2.6.26 i think, and for the dvb-s card i found, it requires 2.6.28 |
| [07:20:40] | wagnerrp: | if youre worried about bleeding edge code, it may be worthwhile to figure out how to build a kernel |
| [07:21:09] | wagnerrp: | and if it comes to it, you can always install the mercurial drivers directly |
| [07:21:20] | CCFL_Man2: | my goal is a box with one atsc card and 3 or so dvb-s cards |
| [07:22:16] | CCFL_Man2: | there really isn't a lot of dvb-s cards to chose from |
| [07:22:51] | wagnerrp: | especially when you factor in that you have to ship it oversees |
| [07:23:30] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm not worried about that |
| [07:24:21] | CCFL_Man2: | i want those 3 dvb-s cards all the same, so one driver is loaded |
| [07:26:28] | CCFL_Man2: | and i want a card that won't give me any issues, because the box will be a transport stream bridge |
| [07:26:48] | CCFL_Man2: | from atsc or dvb-s to multicast ip |
| [07:27:51] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm just not sure where i should start, because there are few places in the US to get dvb-s cards |
| [07:29:37] | CCFL_Man2: | should i start with getting the skystar 2, and getting 3 more, or some other card? |
| [07:32:55] | wagnerrp: | sphery: nope, still a problem after a distclean |
| [07:33:02] | wagnerrp: | ill look at it in the morning |
| [07:37:29] | wagnerrp: | i just manually patched that function out for now |
| [07:38:08] | CCFL_Man2: | i guess if i need a ready-made solution i have to engineer one with exhaustive testing and lots of money |
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| [07:42:49] | wagnerrp: | well you are doing something rather obscure over there |
| [07:43:20] | CCFL_Man2: | well, dvb-s is used here in the US, just very little |
| [07:43:31] | wagnerrp: | im talking about the re-multicast |
| [07:44:59] | CCFL_Man2: | well, it's cheaper than a dvb-s receiver with ip video out |
| [07:45:19] | wagnerrp: | again... rare outside of professional installations |
| [07:46:25] | wombo_: | Simple question: how do I post to the users mailing list (after registering) |
| [07:46:32] | wombo_: | To I just send too mythtv-users@mythtv.org |
| [07:46:48] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [07:46:54] | CCFL_Man2: | yes, very, though i need access to the transport streams at every endpoint, ip endpoint |
| [07:48:19] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm currently using qam as the transport |
| [07:48:53] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm running a headend in my clothes closet |
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| [08:12:07] | wombo_: | Anyone got any thoughts on this? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/378456 |
| [08:19:39] | DarK``: | hi all, I have a question about resolutions: My old acer 22" monitor has 1680*1050 as resolution. When I would play a 720p movie (which is 720*1280), will the movie be played in my monitor-resolution or will mplayer understand the difference in resolutions and play the movie in 720p anyways ? |
| [08:25:04] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Fox isn't running the 12th (final) episode of Dollhouse: http://www.tv.com/story/13828.html?ref_story_id=13828 |
| [08:26:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and in other news, Daisies will air this summer ( http://www.tv.com/story/13793.html?ref_story_id=13793 ) and Chuck needs your help ( http://www.tv.com/story/13792.html?ref_story_id=13792 ) and Kings moves to Saturday ( http://www.tv.com/story/13755.html?ref_story_id=13755 ) |
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| [08:34:19] | sphery: | DarK``: Myth doesn't use MPlayer, but Myth's player scales the video to the window size according to the specified Aspect Ratio of the physical Display. So, in short, Myth would play it (basically) full screen for you. |
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| [08:35:25] | DarK``: | sphery: thanks for your reply, but I mean what would happen if I click the .avi in a filemanager and open it with mplayer (so not mythtv-specific) |
| [08:36:06] | sphery: | all I can say is that MPlayer seems to do strange (and often very wrong) things with the video I give it... |
| [08:37:03] | sphery: | I think the MPlayer approach is to never do anything right unless the user specifically asks for it using command-line options (or the GUI in gmplayer) |
| [08:37:14] | DarK``: | hehe :) |
| [08:37:17] | DarK``: | okay, thanks for your info |
| [08:37:28] | sphery: | but maybe I'm just biased toward Myth |
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| [08:38:09] | clever: | sphery: throw those options into the config file! |
| [08:40:39] | sphery: | doesn't help much when you need different options for different video, though |
| [08:40:51] | sphery: | i.e. the ones that tell it which aspect ratio to use |
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| [10:01:07] | ravi: | hi |
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| [10:01:15] | ravi: | how do i tell mythvideo where to look for videos? |
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| [10:33:34] | gbee: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo#Selecting_Folders |
| [10:33:47] | gbee: | that was hard |
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| [10:39:47] | jduggan: | lol |
| [10:40:15] | administrator__: | hi I installed a skystar hd2 on jaunty with s2api drivers, the dvb-s-card is recognized. I want to scan for channels. SO I choose DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) at the card setup and I get: STB0899 Multistandard Subtype: DVB-S as Frontend ID. at DiSEqC I choose LNB Universal Europe. (But when I leave the card setup menu and get back into it, there is no sign of LNB, but it says: (unconnected)). After that I choose EIT at the vide |
| [10:40:15] | administrator__: | o source setup and europe-west for the channel frequency table. when I want to scan for channels, in "connect source to input" I can choose several different scan types: Full scan, usw., what do I need to choose? Iam using weeklybuild -fixes. It works with kaffeine |
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| [10:54:20] | tjcarter: | Totally digging the Streamzap |
| [10:54:28] | tjcarter: | NICE remote. |
| [10:55:02] | tjcarter: | Closest I've found to the old Sony TiVo remote, which you can't get for love or money |
| [10:59:24] | tjcarter: | The default lirc config seems to work well with KnoppMyth of a fairly recent (but not current) vintage, with the minor change that I've made the big red power button toggle DPMS |
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| [11:03:48] | ** administrator2 is administrator ** | |
| [11:13:22] | laga: | administrator2: i'm not sure mythtv supports the s2api. |
| [11:13:31] | laga: | AFAIK it doesn't support the DVB-S2 parts |
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| [11:15:17] | administrator2: | laga are you sure about that? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/356099 this has been quite some time, and it should at least find the normal dvb-s parts, shouldnt it? |
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| [11:16:26] | laga: | administrator2: if you look at that ticket, you'll see that the patch hasn't been committed yet |
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| [11:18:17] | administrator2: | I cant see it, but I believe, what you say, may it be included in trunk? |
| [11:19:03] | laga: | i was just telling you it's not included |
| [11:19:51] | laga: | you could bug janneg, maybe he's got a working version he'll commit soon |
| [11:20:12] | administrator2: | I thought you meant -fixes, because thats what Iam using right now, not trunk |
| [11:20:23] | administrator2: | what do you mean with bug? check for bugs? |
| [11:21:00] | laga: | "to bug" means "to bother", as in "talk to him" |
| [11:21:06] | laga: | and it'll never be included in -fixes |
| [11:22:26] | administrator2: | ok, thats what I'll do, where can I find this janneg? |
| [11:25:50] | laga: | #mythtv-de |
| [11:26:20] | administrator2: | thx |
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| [12:03:10] | TLE: | hallo everybody |
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| [12:04:25] | TLE: | After changing display settings, tv-out clone-mode, on an ati card mythtv looks all garbled |
| [12:05:09] | TLE: | You can see that it is supposed to be a mythtv interface, and if I press buttons I can see it change, so it seems to work underneadth |
| [12:05:32] | TLE: | Maybe it just didn't scale the interface rigth for the new resolution |
| [12:05:43] | TLE: | any ideas on how to fix it? |
| [12:09:10] | TLE: | I using mythbuntu 8.10 |
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| [12:11:28] | Nockian: | i have a Hauppage HVR-1600 and have it configured with schedulesdirect with two lineups, one for the analog side and one for the digital side. when i run mythfilldatabase, it only fills in the analog side, though. should i try using a different zip code instead of the same zip code and the 'Cable' and 'Digital Cable' lineups in SD? |
| [12:19:46] | TLE: | I need to reboot, I'll be back in 5 |
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| [12:22:20] | Josh_Borke: | Nockian: I created 2 lineups for my hvr 1600. I attached one to the analog side and one to the digital side |
| [12:23:01] | Nockian: | Josh_Borke: yeah, that's what i did, too... it looks fine in the mysql table and also looks fine on schedulesdirect... not sure why it's not populating the digital side though |
| [12:30:14] | Nockian: | i even removed my analog grabber to test, and here's what mythfilldatabase says when i try to pull channels for only the digital side of the card – http://pastebin.com/d3d554ba5 |
| [12:30:22] | Nockian: | it's like it's ignoring the digital side |
| [12:52:59] | EvilGuru: | I have updated my myth box (8.04 => 9.04 beta, fresh install, old stuff all copied over). mythfilldatabase works when run as the user freddie (ssh term) but fails when automatically at night with XMLTV giving an error code of 512. http://pastebin.com/m3cb9d44d is the output from running it normally. What has changed? |
| [12:57:57] | gbee: | EvilGuru: tv_grab_uk_rt --version |
| [12:58:19] | EvilGuru: | This is tv_grab_uk_rt version 1.198, 2008/08/25 02:30:28 |
| [12:58:42] | EvilGuru: | although my xmltv config is copied from my 8.04 system |
| [12:59:17] | gbee: | current version is 1.210 so that is pretty old, you really need the latest version of xmltv, it fixes some stuff that was broken by upgrades on the RT servers |
| [13:00:18] | EvilGuru: | Okay. |
| [13:00:35] | EvilGuru: | Do you know what user mythfilldatabase is run as when mythtv does it automatically? |
| [13:00:59] | EvilGuru: | as I am assuming that it can not find a config file, or something like that |
| [13:01:03] | gbee: | whatever user that mythbackend runs as |
| [13:02:35] | EvilGuru: | Hmm, so where is the recommended place for my xmltv config files? As the backend doesn't run as freddie |
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| [14:38:50] | mzb: | *burp* |
| [14:39:33] | mzb: | (a syllable better than a ".";) |
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| [15:00:14] | Nockian: | can anyone recommend a remote control to use with mythtv and an HDHomeRun device? i have two TV sets and I'm going to setup a mythtv box for each TV. i figured that i could configure both mythtv boxes to use the HDHomeRun device for their input sources, but i wanted to have a remote for each of them as well |
| [15:00:37] | Nockian: | i had the Hauppage HVR-1600 card, but its remote doesn't work with lircd/mythtv so i'm returning it |
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| [15:01:48] | mzb: | depends what is more important to you: remote functionality/appearance/WAF/etc or ease of setup. |
| [15:02:11] | Nockian: | well, so long as i can navigate the menus and the reception isn't abysmal i'd be happy :) |
| [15:02:40] | mzb: | if =1, then buy a remote you like the look of and make a hom ebrew serial receiver |
| [15:03:15] | Nockian: | the homebrew route would be the cheapest also, yes? |
| [15:03:32] | mzb: | if your time =$0, yes ;) |
| [15:03:42] | Nockian: | hehe |
| [15:04:11] | Nockian: | it would be nice if i could get the comcast remote to work with lircd and a receiver on the mythtv box, that way i'd have just one remote |
| [15:04:31] | Nockian: | or if i could buy a remote that could control all 3 devices (comcast/tv/mythtv) |
| [15:04:43] | mzb: | if you build a homebrew serial you could probably achieve that. |
| [15:04:58] | Nockian: | any recommendations on a serial receiver that works decently with linux? |
| [15:05:09] | mzb: | homebrew? |
| [15:05:13] | Nockian: | i imagine that i'd have to hand code it, which is where the time comes in? |
| [15:05:34] | Nockian: | maybe i'm not understanding the term 'homebrew' 100% |
| [15:05:42] | mzb: | not that hard, it's the understanding of how it works that's harder |
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| [15:06:15] | Nockian: | i need to start with a piece of hardware that would be the receiver, i was looking for a recommendation on that |
| [15:06:28] | mzb: | construct a serial receiver: ie: solder IR receiver module to board, wire part A to part B, etc. |
| [15:06:38] | iamlindoro: | For reference, the HVR-1600 IR receive *and* send both work in linux/lirc/mythtv, so returning the card because you can't get IR working (especially as it *does* work) is throwing the baby out with the bathwater |
| [15:06:41] | iamlindoro: | and with that, off to work |
| [15:06:56] | Nockian: | iamlindoro: i couldn't get it to work :( |
| [15:07:07] | iamlindoro: | That's *very* different than it not working period. |
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| [15:07:13] | ** iamlindoro -> work ** | |
| [15:07:25] | mzb: | right, so building your own is off your list. Go for something like a streamzap maybe? |
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| [15:08:57] | Nockian: | iamlindoro: the card itself works great, aside from not being able to get lircd to work with it |
| [15:09:41] | Nockian: | i think it may have something to do with the input on the back of the card being very flaky. if you move it just a bit, it changes its state |
| [15:09:52] | mzb: | learn how lird works, or how to debug lircd problems. Plugging in a new solution isn't necessarily going to fix your problem. |
| [15:10:16] | Nockian: | or iamlindoro could share his lircd.conf file :) |
| [15:10:38] | ** mzb gets bored easily ** | |
| [15:11:17] | Nockian: | i did both (learned how ircd worked and debugged it extensively). the bottom line was it wasn't being detected by the OS at all, even after downloading/compiling the latest lircd kernel module |
| [15:13:24] | mzb: | keep learning (have a look at insmod/modprobe options) |
| [15:13:29] | ** mzb out ** | |
| [15:13:55] | Nockian: | i haven't actually returned the card yet... but i did take it out of the mythtv box and put it back in its packaging.. i was going to swap it for an HVR-1250 because someone said that it works great out of the box. |
| [15:14:13] | Nockian: | if someone actually has lircd working with the HVR-1600... maybe i'll keep it and keep hacking at it |
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| [15:28:45] | rotty: | I just figured mythtv will also get rid of recorded programs when the HD space gets filled up? I thought it would only do so for live-tv... :-( |
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| [15:31:03] | iamlindoro: | rotty: Live TV and any recordings marked as eligible for auto-expire |
| [15:31:04] | kormoc: | rotty, if you have normal recordings set to auto-expire, they will auto-expire. Kinda rude to offer the option and not have it work |
| [15:31:59] | rotty: | ok. I wasn't aware of that... |
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| [15:36:02] | gbee: | recordings are also expired on the basis of age and priority – low priority recordings expire before high etc |
| [15:36:16] | gbee: | depending on configuration anyway |
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| [16:03:19] | gbee: | case shopping is depressing and hard |
| [16:05:13] | jams: | in the last 3 months i have found one case that was reasonable priced and I liked. Unfortunately it's btx only |
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| [16:06:08] | jams: | any prospects ? |
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| [16:16:19] | iamlindoro: | Why do people who aren't comfortable reading the code for protocol changes feel comfortable with editing the wiki page on the protocol with things like "??? Possibly a change to FILL_POSITION_MAP. Associated with the merging of the mythtv-vid branch to trunk" |
| [16:18:10] | kormoc: | Entitlement |
| [16:18:39] | iamlindoro: | SG_GET_YOUR_TEENAGE_DAUGHTER_PREGNATN |
| [16:18:41] | iamlindoro: | PREGNANT |
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| [16:23:17] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: you have heard of the G.I.F.T. right? |
| [16:23:33] | iamlindoro: | no, but I suspect I'm about to :) |
| [16:23:40] | wagnerrp: | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/ |
| [16:24:00] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [16:24:02] | iamlindoro: | nice |
| [16:24:12] | wagnerrp: | the acronym doesnt make much sense, but i couldnt very well say the name |
| [16:24:48] | gbee: | jams: absolutely love the MATX case I bought for the main frontend/backed, but that seems to have been a rare gem – cheap and excellant build quality, styling, features |
| [16:25:14] | wagnerrp: | what Manu? |
| [16:25:29] | gbee: | can't find anything that touches it for under £80–90 now, it cost me £40 |
| [16:26:39] | jams: | this is the case i'm using now, http://jmeyer.us/screens/DSCN2722.JPG it's not great but it's slim and only cost $35. |
| [16:27:00] | jams: | keep looking for a replacement, but so far nothing fits the bill |
| [16:27:03] | gbee: | now I need a new case for this machine, ATX ... just finding lots and lots of plastic rubbish with none of the front panel connectivity I want and few desktop/HTPC formats, just full/midi towers |
| [16:27:17] | iamlindoro: | Lian Li has a couple of really nice looking mATX cases coming |
| [16:27:31] | iamlindoro: | will probably be slightly expensive, but the build quality is unparalleled on my other Lian Li stuff |
| [16:29:05] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/large-13.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/large-12.png |
| [16:29:55] | gbee: | well http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/ |
| [16:30:12] | gbee: | damned if I can find anything to match it at the same price :/ |
| [16:32:02] | wagnerrp: | im disappointed at the lack of riser cases |
| [16:32:17] | wagnerrp: | not that i would likely use a riser card if i made such a machine |
| [16:32:30] | wagnerrp: | but the rest are all at least low profile PCI height |
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| [16:35:25] | iamlindoro: | gbee: It looks somewhat similar to my Zalman HD 160, though it wasn't super-cheap |
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| [16:36:26] | iamlindoro: | Adds a LCD, but similar IO and stereo component type looks |
| [16:39:26] | gbee: | "Zalman HD160+ HTPC Black Home Theatre Desktop ... £229.99 – Scan Computers" |
| [16:39:35] | gbee: | does have a similar style though |
| [16:40:01] | gbee: | but there's a big difference between £40 and £230 :) |
| [16:40:05] | iamlindoro: | The price you got yours at... yeah :) |
| [16:40:38] | javatexan: | in my ~/.lirc/mplayer resource I have like 5 different hauppage_pvrs in there...is there a way to figure out which one is actually working without making 5 different versions of the same file and trying each one? |
| [16:41:20] | iamlindoro: | run irw, press a few buttons, and look at which remote name is output |
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| [16:41:36] | javatexan: | ah yes...thanks iamlindoro |
| [16:41:39] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [16:41:57] | gbee: | more I look at that case of yours, the more I'm thinking that it's the same manufacturer, Zalman probably rebrand it |
| [16:42:26] | gbee: | either that or my one came out the back door of the factory ... |
| [16:45:43] | gbee: | heh, guess I missed it, but ebuyer are still selling it |
| [16:45:58] | gbee: | price has gone up £10 though |
| [16:47:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | that zalman is way too big. |
| [16:50:18] | gbee: | iamlindoro: look familiar? – http://www.wisdon.com.tw/product/prodetail.as . . . amp;proid=48 |
| [16:50:50] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Hahaha, unsurprising I guess |
| [16:51:27] | gbee: | same company |
| [16:52:57] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I'm quite fond of it, but having moved everything into the closet, I swapped it out for the Lian Li with all the drive space |
| [16:54:54] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: That last link isn't a bad looking case |
| [16:55:02] | GreyFoxx: | I'm looking for anew one myself |
| [16:55:12] | javatexan: | i know this is probably a stupid question, but is there a way to get lirc to work with other programs...I have setup mnemosyne for my kids and i would like for them to be able to alt-tab out of mythtv to mnemosyne and use the lirc in mnemosyne. Do I just change the program prog= from mythtv to mnemosyne? Or is it more compricated than that? |
| [16:55:32] | wagnerrp: | i agree with JEDIDIAH__, theyre all too tall |
| [16:56:07] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: It's shorter than my receiver by several inches and can take a full height card, works well for me |
| [16:57:14] | wagnerrp: | im not going to be putting a backend into one, so ill not possibly need more than 2 cards |
| [16:57:16] | gbee: | like some of those wisdon cases, it's not just the one I bought, they've got a better eye for style/quality/features than some of the big names IMHO |
| [16:57:21] | wagnerrp: | id rather have a case with a riser card |
| [16:57:31] | javatexan: | the only keys I need in mnemosyne are enter or space and the number keys 0,1,2,3,4,5 I think I already have that setup in a new .lirc/mnemosyne file |
| [16:57:35] | kormoc: | javatexan, depends on the other program, it's better to ask them directly |
| [16:58:05] | gbee: | but I really need an ATX case and I can't find any of theirs in that format via the usual suspects (ebuyer/dabs/scan etc) |
| [16:59:19] | gbee: | everything is mATX these days :/ |
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| [17:15:06] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Did you see Andrew B did indeed have a broken install? |
| [17:18:02] | wagnerrp: | heh... seems the complaints are rolling in about that pulseaudio check |
| [17:18:40] | wagnerrp: | 'but i wanna use pulseaudio....' |
| [17:18:45] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, just read that (about 3 seconds ago) |
| [17:19:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no joke--"I know that it's broken and doesn't work, but I want Myth to run, anyway, so that I can complain when it doesn't work" |
| [17:19:31] | sphery: | I just don't get the reason for him to want Myth to run in that (broken) configuration |
| [17:19:47] | kormoc: | Why are people scared to try to change code? |
| [17:19:48] | sphery: | Of course, users did the same when I convinced Nigel to refuse to start when HOME wasn't set |
| [17:20:03] | kormoc: | I mean really, he knew where it was to disable the check but he has to ask before giving it a go? |
| [17:20:35] | sphery: | But it should just start... Oh, yeah, and then people get /.mythtv directories (hanging of filesystem root) because they a) don't /know/ their configuration is broken and b) can't be bothered to fix it |
| [17:20:52] | sphery: | same thing--if we let Myth run with Pulse, they wouldn't know to fix it |
| [17:21:09] | kormoc: | I'm just waiting for the pulse guys to get up in arms bout it |
| [17:21:28] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like the Pulse guys think Pulse as default is a bad idea |
| [17:21:38] | iamlindoro: | so sounds like they may actually agree :) |
| [17:21:41] | kormoc: | Depends on which pulse guy |
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| [17:21:52] | kormoc: | the main author is the one pushing it into all the distros as the default |
| [17:22:17] | sphery: | yeah, but I think /he's/ the one who's agreeing it won't work for Myth |
| [17:22:20] | iamlindoro: | My experience with Pulse has been pretty uniformly poor-- and seems I' not alone |
| [17:22:36] | wagnerrp: | pulse doesnt actually support any audio hardware does it? |
| [17:22:53] | wagnerrp: | crap... i forgot to plug my mouse in last night.. |
| [17:22:58] | kormoc: | sphery, AFAIK, he's saying it should be the only sound system for everything and if it doesn't work, it's the app's fault, not pulse |
| [17:23:07] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, nah, it's just a software layer |
| [17:23:22] | wagnerrp: | so why layer something else on top of ALSA? |
| [17:23:32] | wagnerrp: | i mean the network audio stuff i can understand |
| [17:23:37] | sphery: | kormoc: since you took ownership of #5975 and #6013 (the restore script patches), I should mention that they both include the same script version change. If you commit them both at the same time, the version only needs incrementing by one. To make it easier, you can use this patch for #5975(without the version hunk): ... |
| [17:23:38] | wagnerrp: | but for everything else, it just doesnt make sense |
| [17:23:42] | sphery: | ... http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-59 . . . n_hunk.patch |
| [17:24:05] | sphery: | yeah, IMHO, Pulse only makes sense if you're using network audio |
| [17:24:27] | wagnerrp: | my experience with ESD has been iffy |
| [17:25:02] | sphery: | kormoc: though I guess I could just make a combined patch... |
| [17:25:25] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, from the author, "There's so much more a good audio system needs to provide than just the most basic mixing functionality. Per-application volumes, moving streams between devices during playback, positional event sounds (i.e. click on the left side of the screen, have the sound event come out through the left speakers), secure session-switching support, monitoring of sound playback levels, rescuing playback streams to other audio devi |
| [17:25:25] | kormoc: | ces on hot unplug, automatic hotplug configuration, automatic up/downmixing stereo/surround, high-quality resampling, network transparency, sound effects, simultaneous output to multiple sound devices are all features PA provides right now, and what you don't get without it. It also provides the infrastructure for upcoming features like volume-follows-focus, automatic attenuation of music on signal on VoIP stream, UPnP media renderer support, A |
| [17:25:26] | kormoc: | pple RAOP support, mixing/volume adjustments with dynamic range compression, adaptive volume of event sounds based on the volume of music streams, jack sensing, switching between stereo/surround/spdif during runtime, ..." |
| [17:25:34] | kormoc: | oh wow, that was a lot more then it looked |
| [17:25:47] | iamlindoro: | heheh |
| [17:25:56] | ** iamlindoro kicks kormoc from the channel ** | |
| [17:26:06] | kormoc: | sphery, there's a ton of audio/video stuff in that list too, which is why I think he's all for it for apps like myth |
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| [17:26:26] | iamlindoro: | heheehe |
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| [17:30:14] | kormoc: | Ahh, we should be using GStreamer, http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/guide-to-sound-apis.html |
| [17:30:16] | sphery: | kormoc: Heh, "positional event sounds" and "volume-follows-focus"... Some of the other stuff ("Per-application volumes" and "monitoring of sound playback levels") sounds exactly like what I /hate/ about the Vista sound system. |
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| [17:30:42] | kormoc: | sphery, aye, sounds like the 'It's cool' factor on overdrive |
| [17:30:45] | sphery: | kormoc: I heard that Myth should rip out its internal player and just use GStreamer for audio /and/ video |
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| [17:31:04] | iamlindoro: | Will that allow the perl version to become even shorter? |
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| [17:31:21] | sphery: | kormoc: Here's a combined patch... If you want, I can put the link on the tickets: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-59 . . . mbined.patch |
| [17:31:39] | ** sphery wonders if his trying to make things easier for kormoc is just making it harder/more confusing... ** | |
| [17:32:02] | kormoc: | Yeah, plase do |
| [17:32:04] | kormoc: | it's all good :) |
| [17:32:05] | sphery: | OK. |
| [17:32:26] | kormoc: | Luckly it's a binary thing, I'll figure it out or screw it up! |
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| [17:33:39] | wagnerrp: | is it possible -O3 is screwing up a build? |
| [17:34:02] | wagnerrp: | like its optimizing out large chunks of code, because it doesnt think theyre in use |
| [17:34:25] | kormoc: | if GCC doesn't think it's used, it's very very likely it's not, cause well, it would know |
| [17:34:43] | wagnerrp: | well its libmythtv, so most of the code in there isnt getting used |
| [17:37:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: If you're setting that directly, it may have an impact. IIRC, there are some areas where, left to its own devices, Myth lowers the optimization specifically because of known issues (though I thought they were in libav*). |
| [17:39:56] | wagnerrp: | well i set it system-wide, in make.conf |
| [17:40:07] | wagnerrp: | i assume the makefiles can override that |
| [17:40:37] | Gourdo: | Is there a way for mythfrontend to auto-disconnect from the backened so the system will shutdown? I have read through several threads on the topic, but it appears that the concensus is that this isn't implemented. |
| [17:41:03] | sphery: | Gourdo: Use MythWelcome |
| [17:41:10] | Gourdo: | I do use mythwelcome |
| [17:41:11] | jams: | Gourdo- mythwelcome will help you out |
| [17:41:14] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome |
| [17:41:19] | jams: | mythfrontend does not have that ability |
| [17:41:28] | Gourdo: | problem is that others who use my mythbox don't always remember to close the frontend |
| [17:41:29] | kormoc: | Gourdo, so the issue is? |
| [17:41:32] | wagnerrp: | mythwelcome backs out of the frontend, but leaves you with a menu to open it back up |
| [17:41:37] | sphery: | Gourdo: then you have to exit mythfrontend when you're done |
| [17:41:48] | sphery: | which means training the other users |
| [17:42:14] | kormoc: | Gourdo, so have a timer hooked up to your lirc inputs that on every remote press it resets the timer, and when the timer expires, it killall's mythfrontend? |
| [17:42:27] | sphery: | a /great/ way to do that is to teach them how much it costs to keep that mythfrontend box running all the time |
| [17:42:27] | wagnerrp: | apparently the make.conf has O2 set, not sure why its using O3 |
| [17:42:32] | sphery: | Kill-a-Watt ftw! |
| [17:43:01] | Gourdo: | sphery: sometimes you just want things to work without having to teach people and scold them |
| [17:43:18] | kormoc: | Gourdo, patches welcome |
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| [17:43:54] | sphery: | well, the whole idea of the backend not shutting down when a client is connected is to prevent it shutting down in the middle of using the client |
| [17:44:36] | Gourdo: | right, but if the frontend had idle detection for frontend tasks, then it could know when its idle, then shutdown, which would in-turn allow the backend to idle out too |
| [17:44:44] | sphery: | while you could make a timeout, when we're talking about things like hour+ playback of video, that timeout is likely to be long enough that it wastes a lot of electricity, |
| [17:45:04] | sphery: | so, just like you've already taught them to shut off the tv when they're done, teach them to shut off the frontend when they're done |
| [17:45:09] | kormoc: | Gourdo, so code it up? |
| [17:45:37] | Gourdo: | kormoc, I'm not a dev |
| [17:45:54] | sphery: | Gourdo: or--even better--change your setup so that whatever putton users press to turn off the TV also exits mythfrontend |
| [17:45:57] | kormoc: | Gourdo, so what do you want? |
| [17:46:37] | Gourdo: | sphery, that mihgt be the answer... course then i gotta make sure that the tv is closed |
| [17:46:49] | wagnerrp: | closed? |
| [17:46:54] | Gourdo: | sometimes that's left on if someone falls asleep in front of it |
| [17:47:01] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [17:47:05] | Gourdo: | tv is off i meant |
| [17:47:12] | sphery: | I think the answer here is to get new users :) |
| [17:47:24] | kormoc: | let's just add a mind reading interface to make sure people are watching it! |
| [17:47:39] | sphery: | kormoc: I /really/ need that for my window focus |
| [17:47:51] | Gourdo: | sphery, maybe eveyone you know if a linux guru, but i figured there was a way to automate all of this without having to introduce users to additional complication using tv |
| [17:47:53] | jams: | Gourdo- one thing I did is to setup a cronjob that turns the box off everynight at 3am. Perhaps that might help. |
| [17:47:53] | sphery: | focus follows thoughts... |
| [17:48:12] | Gourdo: | jams, cron job I suppose is not a bad idea |
| [17:48:21] | kormoc: | Gourdo, if exiting an app requires 'guru' level, myth isn't the right app for your users... |
| [17:48:21] | Gourdo: | still it will idle till 3am, but better than nothing |
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| [17:48:28] | jams: | doens't solve the whole problem, but better then nothing |
| [17:48:30] | ** iamlindoro volunteers to "handle" the existing users ** | |
| [17:48:51] | justinh: | sleep timer is a hidden function you can set by poking the database IIRC |
| [17:48:59] | Gourdo: | kormoc, i don't know why you're so grumpy, i asked a question and you're acting like I'm an idiot |
| [17:49:05] | justinh: | so as not to let livetv fill the HDD etc |
| [17:49:07] | sphery: | justinh: but that only backs out of livetv, right? |
| [17:49:13] | justinh: | yep |
| [17:49:14] | sphery: | i.e. doesn't get out of mythfrontend |
| [17:49:16] | jams: | yes thats all it does |
| [17:49:28] | jams: | i think it's set to 2 hours by default |
| [17:49:36] | iamlindoro: | Some gnarly patch was submitted a while back to allow sleep to kill the frontend |
| [17:49:45] | justinh: | you need to change what you watch if you're falling asleep in front of the telly :) |
| [17:49:52] | kormoc: | Gourdo, I'm not grumpy, it's more there doesn't seem to be any solution that will work for your situtation without active development, which you are unable/unwilling to do, so I fail to see what you are after |
| [17:49:53] | sphery: | but livetv won't fill the hard drive, anyway--as it maxes at 8hr per recording and /only/ if there's actually a program on the listings that's > 8hr long |
| [17:50:01] | sphery: | otherwise, it changes recordings every program change |
| [17:50:06] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Or stop irritating your significant other |
| [17:50:35] | justinh: | heheh |
| [17:50:59] | sphery: | Gourdo: and, TTBOMK, you could /easily/ work a shutdown command into a screensaver's idle detection mechanism |
| [17:51:18] | sphery: | and, since mythfrontend knows to disable the screesaver activation while watching shows... |
| [17:51:34] | justinh: | feature request: snoring recognition :D |
| [17:51:36] | kormoc: | Doesn't solve the livetv while sleeping issue |
| [17:51:54] | sphery: | right, but sleep timer + screensaver shut down |
| [17:52:20] | justinh: | doesn't turn your TV off though :P |
| [17:52:32] | kormoc: | What happens when the user rolls over on the remote and causes false positives on interaction checks! |
| [17:52:35] | jams: | it could with a blaster hooked up |
| [17:52:52] | Gourdo: | so when the screen goes blank... is that invoking a linux screensaver? |
| [17:52:53] | jams: | or x10 stuff |
| [17:53:03] | Gourdo: | or is it built into myth? |
| [17:53:10] | iamlindoro: | bool NuppelVideoPlayer::IsInputReal(QString input |
| [17:53:13] | iamlindoro: | ) |
| [17:53:18] | justinh: | last time I fell asleep in front of the telly I was very very drunk & when I woke there was a really cool freejumping show on |
| [17:53:28] | sphery: | Gourdo: if it's just blank, it could be either a screensaver or it could be DPMS (i.e. X only) |
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| [17:53:41] | sphery: | You'll have to figure out if you're running a screensaver, yourself |
| [17:54:00] | iamlindoro: | I say tie a string to the plug, and the other end to your wrist. If you roll over, you "turn off" the system. Done! |
| [17:54:12] | sphery: | Gourdo: but Myth never blanks the screen |
| [17:54:12] | Gourdo: | i noticed that is slwoly fades to black, so I assume its some type of screensaver |
| [17:54:20] | sphery: | yeah, sounds like it |
| [17:54:22] | Gourdo: | but I'm not sure where it's being called fron, the OS or mythtv |
| [17:54:28] | sphery: | (sounds a lot like xscreensaver, actually) |
| [17:54:28] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, does that method toss up a popup that asks you to solve a captcha to validate your input? |
| [17:54:37] | justinh: | mythtv disables the screensaver/power saving during playback |
| [17:54:52] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Yes, plus the cornea scan |
| [17:54:55] | sphery: | the screensaver is constantly monitoring activity and it decides to activate according to the screensaver configuration |
| [17:54:59] | kormoc: | nice |
| [17:55:50] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: So you finished that order for text to speech functionality yet? |
| [17:56:08] | kormoc: | Yeah, but all it talks about is fires and death |
| [17:56:47] | iamlindoro: | Mmmm, MythUIText::QuoteRevelations |
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| [17:57:22] | sphery: | that would go well with this flaming video theme I was thinking of doing... |
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| [17:57:49] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Good thing you're working on that, nobody would pay for the rest of this tripe |
| [17:58:09] | sphery: | no joke... I figure we need at least /one/ theme that people would be willing to pay for. |
| [17:58:11] | kormoc: | "Thou shall experience a fiery death while watching recordings." |
| [17:58:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Are you also an idea man? Extensive experience with flash and you could "design the API?" |
| [17:58:42] | kormoc: | Whee! We need one of them! |
| [17:58:45] | sphery: | (BTW, justinh , that's a reference to some annoying guy who came into #mythtv a while back--I actually love the themes I'm using, which are your themes.) |
| [17:58:49] | justinh: | sphery: somebody who wanted me to make a custom theme for them baulked at the price.. a cool $2000 |
| [17:59:05] | sphery: | yeah, sometimes all the team needs is a really good arm-chair quarterback... |
| [17:59:19] | sphery: | after all, most teams have way too many do-ers and not enough thinkers... |
| [17:59:25] | kormoc: | EU, Pounds, USD, or CAD? |
| [17:59:30] | justinh: | USD |
| [17:59:40] | justinh: | I thought I was way under-priced |
| [17:59:41] | sphery: | nice... |
| [17:59:58] | sphery: | Yeah. If you look at that in $/hr, it's not the going rate. |
| [17:59:58] | kormoc: | So when 2k USD is actually only 12 EU, I'll know who to talk to! |
| [18:00:07] | justinh: | hahahahaha |
| [18:01:05] | justinh: | ugh. I can see me needing to reorganise the partitions on this here laptop before I start a-hackin again |
| [18:01:20] | ** sphery wonders if a distro's normal power management could be used to shutdown/suspend the Myth system even if mythfrontend is running... ** | |
| [18:02:31] | justinh: | you could set a cron job to do an autoshutdown no problem. that tied in with mythtvosd (to notify users) and an IR blaster (or serial control) for the tv turning off bit... |
| [18:02:42] | justinh: | solved :) |
| [18:03:06] | sphery: | yeah, I was just thinking all the behavior may actually exist without any work at all |
| [18:03:09] | justinh: | sphery: so what _is_ the going rate? I think I was going off about $40 an hour |
| [18:03:22] | sphery: | depends... |
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| [18:03:33] | justinh: | then again, a _real_ artist .... ker-ching! |
| [18:03:40] | sphery: | For a consultant, a company could pay a lot closer to $100/hr... |
| [18:04:31] | kormoc: | justinh, also, going as a contractor, you have a lot more taxes to pay on that money and the like, so typically contractors go 2x the normal FT employee rate |
| [18:04:33] | sphery: | Unless I /really/ wanted to do a particular job, I'd be more likely to quote something in that rage. |
| [18:04:37] | gbee: | seems to me that it would be extremely simple to have an in-built idle timer |
| [18:04:38] | justinh: | yeah well back then the pound was much stronger too |
| [18:05:19] | iamlindoro: | So the new Comedy Central/ITV joint venture is halfway funny |
| [18:05:28] | iamlindoro: | and the chick is wicked hot |
| [18:05:30] | justinh: | my day job works out at about £25 an hour-ish |
| [18:06:00] | justinh: | so figured a little less for something I enjoyed... :) |
| [18:06:16] | gbee: | iam: ? |
| [18:06:34] | sphery: | I don't think he was saying you're hot, gbee |
| [18:06:44] | iamlindoro: | "Krod Mandoon and the Flaming Sword of Fire" |
| [18:07:02] | iamlindoro: | Sort of like a really raunchy 30 minute princess bride |
| [18:07:19] | jams: | got it recoreded but have yet to watch it |
| [18:07:22] | iamlindoro: | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2459822/ |
| [18:07:27] | justinh: | ITV did something funny? pull the other one |
| [18:08:02] | iamlindoro: | hmmm |
| [18:08:11] | iamlindoro: | upon further inspection looks like it's BBC Two |
| [18:08:27] | iamlindoro: | Dunno why I got ITV in my head |
| [18:08:41] | gbee: | ugh, Lucas |
| [18:09:31] | justinh: | as in duhhh George? |
| [18:10:05] | gbee: | as in Matt |
| [18:10:14] | justinh: | heh |
| [18:10:39] | gbee: | not the biggest fan |
| [18:10:46] | sphery: | Best line from The Big Bang Theory (in reference to watching Star Wars Clone Wars before watching episodes 1–3): "I prefer to let George Lucas disappoint me in the order he intended." |
| [18:10:52] | justinh: | you must be homophobic then, by definition ;-) |
| [18:10:57] | iamlindoro: | Guess that's a Household name over there? |
| [18:11:30] | justinh: | iamlindoro: sadly yes |
| [18:11:45] | justinh: | half of the Little Britain 'geniuses' |
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| [18:12:29] | kormoc: | I do enjoy the big bang theory |
| [18:13:05] | sphery: | Yeah, me too. |
| [18:13:11] | sphery: | And it's getting better. |
| [18:13:30] | sphery: | kormoc: do you read the "vanity cards" at the end of it? |
| [18:13:54] | sphery: | http://www.chucklorre.com/ |
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| [18:14:46] | kormoc: | I haven't actually |
| [18:15:18] | sphery: | I used to try to read them on my old standard-def setup--much harder that way. |
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| [18:15:43] | sphery: | (they have them after every Chuck Lorre show--including TBBT and 2 1/2 Men) |
| [18:16:18] | sphery: | the ones marked (c) are censored--he was unable to show the card he wrote... |
| [18:16:28] | kormoc: | nice |
| [18:16:29] | sphery: | http://www.chucklorre.com/index.php?p=236 |
| [18:16:57] | sphery: | mainly censored for bashing CBS execs, it seems |
| [18:17:22] | kormoc: | heh |
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| [18:18:45] | vance4c: | I have a backend running and several frontends. And I want a frontend at a differnet location but the connection is 4Mb/s and a bit laggy for streaming (Motorola wireless canopy). Is there a way to have a frontend in this other location? I was thinking to have a second backend and rsync files? Is this s possibility or are there other suggestions? |
| [18:19:24] | justinh: | 4 megabits? oops |
| [18:20:03] | iamlindoro: | Well this conversation will end in someone angry at me |
| [18:20:04] | justinh: | when we say 'remote frontend' we generally mean in the same building :) |
| [18:20:33] | sphery: | vance4c: you don't need the 2nd backend... if a file is found to be local to the frontend (and in the exact same absolute path as on the backend), it will be played from the local |
| [18:20:40] | iamlindoro: | Since it's the classic struggle of "we don't do intra-site broadcast" and then people get mad, and then we explain it's against terms of service, and then people call me names... |
| [18:20:50] | iamlindoro: | so let's just skip to the calling me names and avoid the conversation too |
| [18:20:59] | sphery: | vance4c: but you'd be /much/ better off just using a real net connection |
| [18:21:02] | iamlindoro: | s/intra/inter/ |
| [18:21:26] | sphery: | ah, I thought "Motorola wireless canopy" was some name for a wifi router of theirs... |
| [18:21:33] | sphery: | but, yeah, theft of service isn't supported. |
| [18:23:07] | vance4c: | No I am not stealing it is all internal to work |
| [18:23:16] | ChinoChano: | hi guys, i m back. what happens if i let the TV on for a whole day, ... does it keep recording? |
| [18:23:19] | ChinoChano: | :s |
| [18:23:31] | sphery: | ChinoChano: you mean if you leave LiveTV on? |
| [18:23:35] | sphery: | yes, it keeps recording |
| [18:23:37] | iamlindoro: | Yes, recording and, as necessary, autoexpiring |
| [18:23:42] | sphery: | but each program is broken into a different file |
| [18:23:53] | sphery: | and they're LiveTV so they're expired with prejudice |
| [18:23:59] | sphery: | so, no big deal |
| [18:24:09] | sphery: | (just wasting a bit of power) |
| [18:24:13] | ** iamlindoro expired liveTV with prejudice years ago ** | |
| [18:24:15] | ChinoChano: | autoexpiring means "if space left in device < N => stop it?" |
| [18:24:23] | sphery: | sphery = long story, iamlindoro = short story |
| [18:24:26] | ChinoChano: | ok good. |
| [18:24:31] | iamlindoro: | not stop, delete |
| [18:24:43] | sphery: | right, delete old stuff to make room for new |
| [18:24:52] | ChinoChano: | ok i see |
| [18:24:55] | ChinoChano: | thanks |
| [18:25:17] | sphery: | myth will happily record until the filesystem is full (then bad things happen) if you don't allow it to autoexpire |
| [18:25:33] | sphery: | (i.e. if you have no LiveTV and you disable autoexpire on all your recordings) |
| [18:25:46] | ChinoChano: | oooooops. ok so there s here a problem: i run myth again: no recordings avail, BUT 0.00Gb free.. |
| [18:26:03] | iamlindoro: | If you're at 0, it's very likely you've crashed your DB |
| [18:26:17] | ChinoChano: | ? this means? deleted the data? |
| [18:26:48] | vance4c: | So I can have a cron that move files to the other frontend and I can forget about live tv? |
| [18:26:50] | ChinoChano: | can t be... the recs are in a dediated disk.. |
| [18:26:50] | iamlindoro: | No, it means rendered it unable to operate in a normal fashion until you repair the DB |
| [18:27:20] | ChinoChano: | ok. right now: 100% used in /mnt/data |
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| [18:27:35] | ChinoChano: | can t i delete this? |
| [18:27:36] | iamlindoro: | So long as that's not where you have the DB |
| [18:27:46] | iamlindoro: | (which should be in /var) then that's fine |
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| [18:27:55] | ChinoChano: | mmmm how do i know where is the DB? |
| [18:28:16] | justinh: | normally lives in /var/lib/mysql or so |
| [18:28:40] | ChinoChano: | 58M /var/lib/mysql/ |
| [18:28:45] | ChinoChano: | possibly maybe? :S |
| [18:29:00] | sphery: | /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg |
| [18:29:03] | sphery: | for you |
| [18:29:07] | ChinoChano: | yes, should be. ok so i have to repair the db |
| [18:29:17] | ChinoChano: | 6.9M /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/ |
| [18:29:21] | sphery: | (instead of /srv/mysql/mythconverg, where it /should/ be ;) |
| [18:29:25] | iamlindoro: | You don't have to repair the DB unless you ahve crashed tables, but checking never hurt anyone |
| [18:30:00] | iamlindoro: | ChinoChano: Is it *scheduled* recordings that are missing |
| [18:30:01] | iamlindoro: | ? |
| [18:30:05] | iamlindoro: | or have you only used live TV? |
| [18:30:17] | ChinoChano: | liveTV means watching TV? |
| [18:30:36] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:30:36] | iamlindoro: | Live TV means watching Live TV, and not watching recordings from a while ago that you schedules |
| [18:30:41] | iamlindoro: | scheduled |
| [18:30:49] | ChinoChano: | i let it in LiveTV |
| [18:30:55] | vance4c: | yes watching not recording |
| [18:31:08] | ChinoChano: | yes but i don t know if this implies "recording" |
| [18:31:21] | iamlindoro: | ChinoChano: Those are recorded, but they won't show up in recordings by default |
| [18:31:22] | ChinoChano: | or is it just when I hit "pause" when it begins recording? |
| [18:31:28] | ChinoChano: | ok |
| [18:31:33] | ChinoChano: | and they dont :) |
| [18:31:36] | iamlindoro: | They go in the "live TV" group, which most people have no desire to see |
| [18:31:51] | justinh: | livetv is shown by default in 0.21 IIRC |
| [18:32:00] | iamlindoro: | Go into Watch recordings, and change the group filter to "Live TV" |
| [18:32:01] | sphery: | LiveTV always records, but they're "special" recordings in that they /will/ autoexpire |
| [18:32:12] | iamlindoro: | Then you will see all that you've watched that's still around |
| [18:32:17] | ChinoChano: | ok. well done :) |
| [18:32:20] | iamlindoro: | but note that this is *not* how mythTV should be used |
| [18:32:28] | ChinoChano: | ? |
| [18:32:39] | ChinoChano: | how should i use it? |
| [18:33:01] | justinh: | change the way you watch tv :) |
| [18:33:20] | iamlindoro: | Schedule your recordings in advance. Do not use Live TV. If you are watching something you wish to *make* a real recording, press R. It'll show up in the recordings group now. |
| [18:33:21] | justinh: | watch what you want, at a time you want to watch it, not when the schedulers want you to watch it |
| [18:34:05] | ChinoChano: | ok ok i guess. actually when i left his morning i just thought "hey i ll leave the TV on to do as if there were someone home" |
| [18:34:07] | ChinoChano: | :S |
| [18:34:53] | ChinoChano: | in Watching REcordings, nothing pops up: no filter appliable, nothing... |
| [18:35:02] | justinh: | press MENU |
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| [18:36:08] | ChinoChano: | thanks justinh ! |
| [18:36:42] | ChinoChano: | if i select the group filter and select "liveTV (2 items)", no recordings available.. |
| [18:37:31] | iamlindoro: | ChinoChano: Do you have a listings source set up? |
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| [18:37:46] | iamlindoro: | Either you have no listings, or a broken DB |
| [18:38:04] | sphery: | I think the DB is messed up |
| [18:38:08] | sphery: | optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [18:38:20] | ChinoChano: | nothing in "previously recorded", nothing to "delete", nothing applying the Filter... listings source I think it is setup (i set it up a long time ago and used it to scan the channels) |
| [18:38:34] | ChinoChano: | sphery, I already ran optimizer.---- |
| [18:38:45] | ChinoChano: | epaired/Optimized: `mythconverg`.`websites` |
| [18:38:45] | ChinoChano: | Analyzed: `mythconverg`.`websites` |
| [18:38:47] | ChinoChano: | and many more |
| [18:40:05] | ChinoChano: | ok. So, if the OPTIMIZE_MYTHDB-pl's output is what i just wrote, i should consider the DB is ok. Wrong? |
| [18:40:35] | ChinoChano: | i think it can t connect to the backend. |
| [18:41:05] | ChinoChano: | Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5) 2009-04–10 20:37:05.641 MythSocket(842cee8:24): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick). |
| [18:42:19] | sphery: | assuming you ran the optimize script since the drive filled, up, yeah, it means the tables are good |
| [18:42:26] | sphery: | the data in the tables, however, may be corrupt |
| [18:42:44] | sphery: | but since it's not connecting to the backend, that's likely the real problem |
| [18:43:27] | ChinoChano: | the real problem= data in the tables is corrupted? |
| [18:43:48] | sphery: | no, the real problem is the backend is not reachable |
| [18:43:56] | sphery: | can you post the output of: df -k |
| [18:44:00] | ChinoChano: | ah, ok. |
| [18:44:00] | sphery: | pastebin, please |
| [18:44:12] | ChinoChano: | :) yes (more than 3 lines -> pastebin) |
| [18:44:19] | ** kormoc is suddenly reminded of php's mysql_connect, mysql_real_connect ** | |
| [18:44:54] | ChinoChano: | sphery, df -h or -k? |
| [18:45:13] | sphery: | either... |
| [18:45:31] | sphery: | I'm used to using -k but really I just need to see where the 0's are |
| [18:45:54] | ChinoChano: | http://pastebin.com/m1e8397ba |
| [18:45:59] | ChinoChano: | ok |
| [18:46:22] | ChinoChano: | var is ok, mnt data iss full my files are principally in My Book |
| [18:46:23] | sphery: | so, your DB is not in the full partition |
| [18:46:38] | ChinoChano: | my DB is in /var.... |
| [18:46:40] | sphery: | Western Digital My Book World Edition? |
| [18:46:47] | ** sphery wonders if you've hacked it... ** | |
| [18:47:01] | ChinoChano: | sphery, what do you mean? |
| [18:47:14] | sphery: | Oh, wait... If it's on /dev/sda1, it's not the world edition... Just a USB drive. |
| [18:47:16] | ChinoChano: | don t hink it s a World Edition: an old one, Green light. no media TV |
| [18:47:21] | ChinoChano: | yes |
| [18:47:34] | sphery: | You can hack the World Edition to install whatever GNU/Linux software you want. |
| [18:47:44] | sphery: | I did that to a couple of them for family members |
| [18:47:54] | ChinoChano: | brilliant :) i ll have a look. |
| [18:48:15] | ChinoChano: | but here i think my DB is in /var, /var has a dedicated partition and is not full |
| [18:48:19] | sphery: | So, I don't think that the inability to contact the backend is due to disk issues. |
| [18:48:27] | sphery: | I don't know, however, what issues would be causing it for you. |
| [18:48:37] | kormoc: | Backend logs! |
| [18:48:46] | sphery: | I know that a quick timeout is a very different thing from other timeouts... |
| [18:48:54] | sphery: | But I don't know the difference, myself |
| [18:48:55] | ChinoChano: | the files are in an external USB drive... and recs are in another partition |
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| [18:49:16] | ChinoChano: | kormoc, i try to get them |
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| [18:50:05] | ChinoChano: | not in var/log/mysql :) |
| [18:51:12] | sphery: | mythbackend logs and mythfrontend logs |
| [18:51:18] | ChinoChano: | why not stopping mysql service, starting it again? |
| [18:51:25] | kormoc: | MySQL != MythBackend |
| [18:51:54] | ChinoChano: | /etc/init.d/mythbackend start SAYS OK. |
| [18:52:58] | kormoc: | that would say it wasn't running before |
| [18:53:06] | kormoc: | the backend is required to be running to record/watch tv |
| [18:53:42] | ChinoChano: | kormoc, it was running but i stopped it just before starting it back. http://pastebin.com/m43782fd7 |
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| [18:54:46] | ChinoChano: | mmmm annoying. now, stil 0.00 GB free, but when i apply the filter LiveTV says (0 items) (before were 2) |
| [18:55:32] | ChinoChano: | are the logs what i posted in pastebin? |
| [19:01:26] | ChinoChano: | i no longer have a group filter in the mahage recordings |
| [19:02:07] | sphery: | ChinoChano: that's frontend logs... what about backend logs |
| [19:02:40] | ChinoChano: | how can i reach them? i stopped the backend, started it again... nothing on screen |
| [19:02:47] | ChinoChano: | WOW |
| [19:02:58] | ChinoChano: | STOP. i put TV on by watching TV |
| [19:03:11] | ChinoChano: | then went to Manage recording |
| [19:03:13] | ChinoChano: | s |
| [19:03:37] | ChinoChano: | and it says: 7.11 GB FREE. 95% used. No recs avail |
| [19:03:54] | ChinoChano: | i think i need more space for the recs. :) |
| [19:04:31] | sphery: | heh, there's nothing like trimming all the previous content from a "bump" reply... |
| [19:04:32] | ChinoChano: | ok so this is GREAT guys. I need to pull all the films posters, to set up the RC, and to order the channels. |
| [19:05:13] | ChinoChano: | sphery, what do you mean? (sorry if my english annoys you, guys, it s not my native language and it s been a while now i haven t spoken it) |
| [19:05:28] | sphery: | referring to a message on the -users list |
| [19:05:30] | sphery: | not you |
| [19:05:37] | ChinoChano: | ok sorry. |
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| [19:06:10] | sphery: | someone didn't get the response he wanted, so he replied to the thread on the list and the /only/ word in the reply is, "Bump"... |
| [19:06:34] | ** justinh chuckles ** | |
| [19:06:52] | sphery: | He was hoping that would get someone to see the message, again, so they would reply, but since he trimmed the message before sending, it actually means that whoever is kind enough to want to help him has to go to the archive to find the original message. |
| [19:07:22] | ChinoChano: | was stupid or clumsy |
| [19:07:28] | justinh: | on forums I often reply to a bump with my own 'bump'. seems to irritate the original poster no end ;-) |
| [19:07:37] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:07:43] | ChinoChano: | clumsy maybe |
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| [19:08:33] | ChinoChano: | how do you get the movies posters? i saw an instruction like imdb.pl... but how can ieecute it? |
| [19:08:38] | ChinoChano: | execute* |
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| [19:09:00] | justinh: | imdb.pl doesn't work anymore for grabbing posters |
| [19:09:03] | sphery: | ChinoChano: imdb.pl doesn't work, anymore (and is a violation of the site's Terms of Service, anyway), so: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl |
| [19:09:25] | ChinoChano: | ok guys. gonna read. and i read also that i can choose the way the vids are displayed in the vids Menu, (browse, list or ?) |
| [19:09:51] | justinh: | yep. you change settings for things like that in utils/setup > setup |
| [19:10:08] | justinh: | in mythvideo's case, utils/setup > setup > media settings > video |
| [19:11:16] | sphery: | I've always wondered why it's "Setup" at the start and "Settings" at the bottom |
| [19:11:29] | sphery: | (in the menu hierarchy) |
| [19:12:49] | ChinoChano: | the Gallery one is like a list? I thought i would see folders with images pasted to each movie |
| [19:13:32] | justinh: | should be, where there _are_ posters |
| [19:14:01] | ChinoChano: | ok. cause i have like a list. |
| [19:14:31] | ChinoChano: | And Browser would be? |
| [19:14:50] | ChinoChano: | Successfully downloaded tmdb.pl. AND Successfully downloaded MythVideoCommon.pm. |
| [19:15:26] | ChinoChano: | though it is not in /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ |
| [19:16:16] | ChinoChano: | ok it is in /home/toto/tmdb/tmdb.pl |
| [19:16:38] | ChinoChano: | and there s also a tmdb/MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm |
| [19:17:01] | ChinoChano: | i have to move the .pl file to /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ but the ohter one? |
| [19:17:25] | justinh: | the browser view is a page per video |
| [19:17:45] | ChinoChano: | ok like the ipod thing maybe? |
| [19:17:46] | justinh: | the gallery view is a page with lots of videos & folders represented in a grid formation |
| [19:18:00] | ChinoChano: | ok this one is nice. thanks justinh. |
| [19:18:07] | justinh: | and the list view is yeuch IMHO |
| [19:18:19] | ChinoChano: | yeuch = ERKS? |
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| [19:18:46] | justinh: | much prefer the list view possibilities trunk offers :) |
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| [19:19:17] | ChinoChano: | don t get you :/ "trunk"? |
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| [19:20:11] | justinh: | the development version of mythtv |
| [19:20:57] | ChinoChano: | ok. too far for me... :( thanks for your patience anyway. i m REALLY annoying you. be aware that i know that and i m really appreciating your efforts. |
| [19:21:00] | justinh: | what will end up as 0.22 :) |
| [19:21:20] | justinh: | whut? lol. if you were annoying me... let's say I wouldn't be calm ;-) |
| [19:21:56] | ChinoChano: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl -> i moved the tmpdb-pl script to the rigth place. but i m not sure i have to do the same for the other one: tmdb/MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm |
| [19:22:19] | sphery: | ChinoChano: you need to read the rest of the page... i.e. Downloading is one section, then Installing is the second |
| [19:22:24] | justinh: | only ignorant/unclued people annoy me. you just don't know some stuff, that's all |
| [19:22:37] | sphery: | (and the bottom section you can ignore because it's unnecessary/someone just doing the same thing but differently) |
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| [19:23:36] | justinh: | I should get around to fixing my metadata lookups scripts at some point.. along with everything else I need to do |
| [19:25:00] | ChinoChano: | Successfully configured MythVideo and MythWeb to use tmdb.pl. |
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| [19:25:11] | sphery: | there, now it's installed :) |
| [19:26:04] | ChinoChano: | Using tmdb.pl in .20 means: for the specific .20 version? or .20 and above? |
| [19:26:12] | ChinoChano: | i d say just .20... |
| [19:26:21] | sphery: | that's just something that really means nothing |
| [19:26:33] | sphery: | really you should use the instructions in the top 2 sections for all of it |
| [19:27:01] | ChinoChano: | ok. so now this is installed, i have to restart the mythbackend and the mythfrontend after having changed in the VIDEO settings section the imdb calls by the tmdb ones, |
| [19:27:03] | gbee: | coffee, or beer ... |
| [19:27:05] | ChinoChano: | and let the magic ooccur? |
| [19:27:09] | ** gbee flips a coin ** | |
| [19:28:15] | sphery: | OK, now you don't have to worry about that last section... |
| [19:28:42] | ChinoChano: | :) i restart it then. |
| [19:29:32] | ** sphery beers gbee ** | |
| [19:29:35] | ChinoChano: | i guess tmdb is going to connect to a DB and try to retreive the posters... am i wrong? |
| [19:30:40] | sphery: | yeah, looks up the URI for the poster at themoviedb.org then downloads the poster |
| [19:30:45] | shadash: | I hate Oracle |
| [19:30:59] | shadash: | It's even worse than Myth ;-) |
| [19:31:02] | sphery: | themoviedb.org doesn't have all the movies in it, so you may need to create an account and add some |
| [19:31:31] | ChinoChano: | ok. but if my movies have not the "original" titles, but some words of them, or some special chars, will it work? |
| [19:31:57] | sphery: | you'll need to edit the title first, then do a search |
| [19:32:05] | sphery: | note that title != filename |
| [19:32:30] | sphery: | however, by default, MythVideo uses the filename (with some stuff ignored/some characters replaced with spaces) as the title |
| [19:32:39] | ChinoChano: | ... title!=filename.. but then, how does it reteive the info? |
| [19:32:48] | sphery: | so, if you edit the filename, it will change the title |
| [19:32:56] | sphery: | but you can change the title without having to edit the filename |
| [19:33:40] | ChinoChano: | ok. ok. i have NO posters at all... do i have to run manually the search? |
| [19:33:53] | sphery: | that way, people who steal movies by downloading them from the 'net can see that the rip was done by GR8Haxor and that it's a telecine or whatever |
| [19:34:18] | sphery: | yep, run it on each video |
| [19:34:34] | sphery: | there are other scripts to automate the process, but none are "supported" |
| [19:34:36] | ChinoChano: | oh. With Menu on the video browser |
| [19:34:57] | ChinoChano: | no, not with Menu key... |
| [19:35:01] | sphery: | In 0.21-fixes, you have to go into Video Manager, then Menu (or Info) |
| [19:35:05] | sphery: | then Search |
| [19:35:15] | sphery: | But might need to Edit metadata (and change title) first |
| [19:36:38] | ChinoChano: | coool |
| [19:43:46] | ChinoChano: | manually fetching. this will be REALLY cool. thanks guys. |
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| [19:44:42] | ChinoChano: | just one little annoying thing we already discussed yesterday: every time, the Video Scan in TV is set to Interlaced. sphery gave me an explanation. but don t understand well why i can t force the Scan to be progressive ANYTIME |
| [19:47:03] | ChinoChano: | when i edit Video information, i am changing the title, not the filename, right? |
| [19:48:42] | gbee: | correct |
| [19:49:35] | gbee: | it's interlaced because it's detecting that the videos are interlaced, are you sure that isn't the case here? |
| [19:50:17] | ChinoChano: | i don t know whether they re interlaced. But i see that the OSD is not OK when interlaced and I d dare sya the image is nicer when set to progressive too... |
| [19:50:38] | ChinoChano: | if there s a way to correct the osd blittering in interlaced mode... |
| [19:53:12] | ChinoChano: | in my movies i usually add the audio version with 2 letters in the title. this annoys the search. then, how can i recover this info? |
| [19:55:07] | justinh: | edit metadata again & put it back :) |
| [19:55:48] | ChinoChano: | oh ok |
| [19:56:47] | ChinoChano: | shit... (i ll have to check back now for the ones i ve been searching) |
| [19:58:48] | justinh: | not sure but I think 0.22 will have extra fields for that kind of stuff |
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| [20:02:04] | markl: | is it possible to do subtitles on mythtv? if so, can it handle avi with embedded subtitles? |
| [20:02:57] | ChinoChano: | well, if i m not saying stupid things: you use a player to watch vids |
| [20:03:15] | ChinoChano: | if this player supports subs, and titles of subs are properly defined, i d say "yes"... |
| [20:03:49] | ChinoChano: | another question: CoverFile: No Cover, whatever i try to retreive. The movies are found, but nothing in Cover File |
| [20:05:01] | iamlindoro: | Myth has its own player, and yes, it supports embedded subtitles. |
| [20:05:21] | gbee: | markl: many different forms of subtitles are supported, but probably not all |
| [20:05:29] | markl: | is there a key to turn them on |
| [20:05:29] | markl: | ? |
| [20:05:33] | gbee: | T |
| [20:05:37] | markl: | cool thanks |
| [20:05:44] | ChinoChano: | ok good to learn here :) |
| [20:05:51] | gbee: | or Menu > Enable Subtitles |
| [20:05:54] | ChinoChano: | about the cover file? |
| [20:05:55] | gbee: | or similar |
| [20:06:16] | markl: | more difficult question, does the mythtv version in the ubuntu Hardy repository support vdpau? |
| [20:06:35] | iamlindoro: | The version in Ubuntu is .21, so no |
| [20:06:39] | gbee: | no, since it's not available in a released version yet, just the development version |
| [20:07:24] | gbee: | ChinoChano: it's possible that no cover file has been uploaded to TMDB for that film? Take a look at tmdb.org to check |
| [20:07:50] | ChinoChano: | ok but this is ALWAYS "no cover file"... |
| [20:07:59] | gbee: | TMDB has only been operating for 6 months, so there are some gaps |
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| [20:08:08] | ChinoChano: | oh ok |
| [20:08:13] | ChinoChano: | The MAtrix? |
| [20:08:28] | gbee: | ChinoChano: oh, well that's not good, but I didn't use MythVideo in 0.21 – Definately a cover for The Matrix |
| [20:08:42] | iamlindoro: | .21 will be imdb, with broken covers |
| [20:08:59] | gbee: | he's using 0.21 with tmdb AFAIK |
| [20:09:12] | gbee: | earlier conversation where sphery talked him through the backport |
| [20:09:14] | ChinoChano: | yes, using tmdb now :) thanks to the guys around here |
| [20:09:19] | iamlindoro: | Oh... well if that's so then it's set up wrong, Matrix works here |
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| [20:09:52] | iamlindoro: | Most likely the -P option set wrong I would guess... but log output from the frontend during a download should tell more |
| [20:09:52] | gbee: | iamlindoro: but covers show up immediately with 0.21? Or does it require a return to the menu first? |
| [20:10:14] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Erm... good question. I haven't used .21 in a long time, I just don't know |
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| [20:12:29] | gbee: | bought Casino Royale today, £4 :) |
| [20:12:31] | ChinoChano: | iamlindoro, what do you mean= |
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| [20:12:50] | iamlindoro: | ChinoChano, You should capture the log output from an attempt to download metadata and pastebin it somewhere |
| [20:12:58] | iamlindoro: | that will give us a better idea of what the issue might be |
| [20:13:02] | gbee: | http://pastebin.ca |
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| [20:13:19] | iamlindoro: | Also possible you don't have permissions to write wherever they are trying to download |
| [20:13:34] | iamlindoro: | but anyway, start with the frontend log output |
| [20:14:50] | ChinoChano: | 2009-04–10 22:09:00.017 Put: The operation has been processed but an error occurred.: Could not write |
| [20:14:50] | ChinoChano: | /root/.mythtv/MythVideo/0133093.jpg |
| [20:15:05] | ChinoChano: | ok you were right: it s trying to write on root's, as a user... i m stupid. shit |
| [20:15:10] | ChinoChano: | do t again |
| [20:15:12] | ChinoChano: | : |
| [20:15:13] | ChinoChano: | :S |
| [20:16:57] | venger: | just put in a HVR-1600 (2nd card) and looks like ivtv initialized and registered devices for it and firmware loaded. i'm wanting to learn about ivtv-utils before configurint it in mythtv. i'm not sure what device or what i would do to tap into the ATSC tuner. how would i about tuning to some channel and dump the stream? |
| [20:17:25] | iamlindoro: | ivtv is only analog |
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| [20:17:39] | iamlindoro: | Won't touch the ATSC/QAM side at all |
| [20:17:43] | Dagmar: | You would read the documentation online for those tools. |
| [20:17:44] | venger: | ok |
| [20:18:27] | venger: | if there is a binary that will work for atsc i'll do just that dagmar |
| [20:20:21] | sphery: | ChinoChano: if the deinterlacing thing is just to fix the OSD, you probably have a bad playback profile set... I highly recommend changing the Playback Profile group to Slim (it's probably on CPU+ on your system) in TV Settings|Playback on like page 3 or so. |
| [20:21:05] | ChinoChano: | sphery, ok i ll try. then i ll check for the image. Thanks again |
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| [20:25:48] | ChinoChano: | Current Video Playback Profile was effectively in CPU+. Now in Slim ;) |
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| [20:27:57] | sphery: | Slim is probably what you should use, even if it doesn't fix this particular problem. |
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| [20:29:16] | ChinoChano: | ok i check this now. the posters are ok but the size of the poster can t be bigger? and how do you do if you have a folder MATRIX with MATRIX cd1 and Matrix cd2 inside? |
| [20:29:36] | ChinoChano: | i mean, do i have to put just the avi files in / or keep the folders? |
| [20:29:43] | gbee: | poster can be bigger, you just need to edit the theme (xml) |
| [20:30:03] | ChinoChano: | wow this is chinese for me. edit the theme of the poster? |
| [20:30:49] | iamlindoro: | you should also try the other views |
| [20:31:07] | iamlindoro: | You are probably in Gallery, you can try Browse view, it's a larger poster in most themes |
| [20:31:27] | iamlindoro: | And I *strongly* suggest a tour through the myth manual, this is all there |
| [20:31:32] | ChinoChano: | yes, i am but i d like the gallery with a bit bigger themes |
| [20:31:47] | iamlindoro: | Then you need to edit/author your own theme as gbee said |
| [20:32:02] | ChinoChano: | ok i ll go. |
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| [20:41:49] | markl: | is it possible to play blu ray movies on mythtv yet? |
| [20:42:15] | gbee: | sure, once ripped |
| [20:42:31] | gbee: | but you can't play them back from the disk at all on linux |
| [20:42:40] | gbee: | and ripping can be a painful process |
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| [20:43:48] | Nockian: | i have Comcast Cable... does anyone know what i should be searching for when scanning? Cable, Cable High, Cable HRC, Cable IRC / QAM-256/QAM-64 etc. |
| [20:44:27] | Dagmar: | Sheesh |
| [20:44:38] | Dagmar: | Do you have regular cable or digital cable? |
| [20:45:08] | Nockian: | Dagmar: Digital cable... although i'm getting the lower channels on an old TV set plugged directly into the wall |
| [20:45:17] | Nockian: | like 2–72 |
| [20:45:29] | Dagmar: | Okay, so then you don't scan. Everything has to go through your set top box. |
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| [20:45:32] | Dagmar: | Problem solved. |
| [20:45:48] | ChinoChano: | ok great. this is going well. just one thing: i have a movie and its subtitle in the same folder. so myth detects 2 things. |
| [20:46:00] | justinh: | hmm. to watch the new Red Dward now or when I have all 3 episodes in the can.. |
| [20:46:02] | Nockian: | i don't understand why a 'normal TV' can get channels 2–72, yet i can't seem to find them with my HDHomeRun box |
| [20:46:04] | Dagmar: | Nockian: Even for the analog channels, you still don't scan. |
| [20:46:17] | Dagmar: | You set up a config in SchedulesDirect and Myth will import it |
| [20:46:20] | Nockian: | okay |
| [20:46:20] | iamlindoro: | justinh, They seriously made new Red Dwarf? |
| [20:46:25] | justinh: | iamlindoro: yeah |
| [20:46:32] | iamlindoro: | wow, figured that was long gone |
| [20:47:04] | justinh: | it's very low budget, made by & shown on UK channel 'Dave' this weekend. 3 episodes about them going back to Earth |
| [20:47:20] | Dagmar: | Nockian: This is not #HDHomeRun |
| [20:47:29] | justinh: | initial tweets I've seen about it (KILL ME NOW FOR JUST SAYING THAT) seem pretty positive on the whole |
| [20:47:42] | Nockian: | Dagmar: i have an Hauppauge HVR-1250 card as well as a HDHomeRun box, for a total of 3 inputs. do i need to scan on each input for Cable QAM-256/64 in order to use the channel for that input, or is there an easier way? |
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| [20:47:55] | Dagmar: | Nockian: You don't scan for digital cable. |
| [20:48:00] | justinh: | iamlindoro: put it this way.. Starbug is now CAR bug :P |
| [20:48:03] | Dagmar: | You CAN'T TUNE IT WITH YOUR CARD. |
| [20:48:10] | justinh: | I jest not |
| [20:48:10] | Dagmar: | You can't tune it with ANY card. |
| [20:48:20] | Nockian: | ah, okay. |
| [20:48:27] | Dagmar: | You can pick up ATSC with the HDHomeRun card. |
| [20:48:35] | Dagmar: | er HdHomeRun unit |
| [20:48:39] | Nockian: | i thought that you could tune digital cable with some cards |
| [20:48:44] | iamlindoro: | Of course you can |
| [20:48:48] | Dagmar: | Not Comcast in the US. |
| [20:48:48] | justinh: | you can if it's not encrippled |
| [20:48:49] | iamlindoro: | Including the HDHomeRun |
| [20:49:00] | justinh: | and if you use the right erm.. thingies |
| [20:49:05] | Nockian: | okay, now i'm confused |
| [20:49:07] | justinh: | thingies/parameters |
| [20:49:07] | iamlindoro: | Nockian, Any of your digital cable cahnnels which ar unencrypted will be scannable and watchable in myth |
| [20:49:19] | Nockian: | iamlindoro: that's what i thought... |
| [20:49:25] | iamlindoro: | And indeed you were correct |
| [20:49:30] | Dagmar: | Which, considering Comcast is involved, is approximately none of them. |
| [20:49:50] | justinh: | Nockian: likely one of the QAM selections but I'll defer to somebody who actually knows ;-) |
| [20:49:58] | Nockian: | so channels 2–72 are analog channels, and i'll need an analog card to get them? |
| [20:50:03] | justinh: | myers |
| [20:50:06] | Dagmar: | THey could be anything. |
| [20:50:08] | iamlindoro: | Nockian, It's tough to tell what you will get until you try |
| [20:50:11] | Nockian: | ok |
| [20:50:14] | Nockian: | thanks |
| [20:50:17] | iamlindoro: | Nockian, Generally speaking, you want QAM-256 and cable |
| [20:50:26] | iamlindoro: | for modulations and frequency table, respectively |
| [20:50:38] | Nockian: | iamlindoro: is the best place to wiki my findings to help others on mythtv's wiki? |
| [20:51:01] | Nockian: | it's nice being able to google and find someone who's already done stuff like this |
| [20:51:03] | iamlindoro: | Nockian, This is all well documented, so it's unlikely anything you find doesn't exist somewhere on the wiki |
| [20:51:15] | Dagmar: | I suspect if you actually searched the wiki you'd find the answers. |
| [20:51:47] | Nockian: | i was talking more about channel mappings (xml IDs to channels discovered during the scans) |
| [20:51:51] | Nockian: | that's time consuming |
| [20:51:59] | justinh: | ah good ole Mel Blanc. wikiwikiwikiwikiwikiwiki |
| [20:52:01] | Dagmar: | We don't scan for analog channels. |
| [20:52:05] | Dagmar: | You can't scan for analog channels. |
| [20:52:09] | iamlindoro: | Nockian, Those will change at a moment's notice, it's useless to put them in the wiki |
| [20:52:18] | Dagmar: | The tuner cards do not return signal strength/quality information. |
| [20:52:22] | Nockian: | Dagmar: yes, i understand that. you just use schedulesdirect for analog |
| [20:52:30] | justinh: | we need some central store of that kind of stuff IMHO |
| [20:52:32] | Nockian: | iamlindoro: ah, okay |
| [20:52:46] | justinh: | might be a cow to maintain it though |
| [20:53:03] | iamlindoro: | justinh, The best example is SiliconDust's archive, plus it's auto-submitted |
| [20:53:03] | justinh: | and people who don't intend their myth boxen to have internet connections will moan.. |
| [20:53:10] | iamlindoro: | justinh, And better them than us |
| [20:53:19] | iamlindoro: | Nockian, what is your zip code? |
| [20:53:19] | gbee: | not much point for analogue, is there? |
| [20:53:38] | Nockian: | 15222 |
| [20:53:41] | justinh: | so they do the xmltvid meddling so SD will just slip alongside nicely? |
| [20:54:02] | iamlindoro: | Nockian, http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui/US:15222 |
| [20:54:09] | iamlindoro: | The first set are thsoe available OTA |
| [20:54:20] | iamlindoro: | Nockian, The second set are those available via QAM capture |
| [20:54:22] | Nockian: | iamlindoro: wow, thank you |
| [20:54:46] | iamlindoro: | So you shoudl expect to get your local channels and some random other stuff, as most people do via QAM |
| [20:54:55] | justinh: | 352x480i ... !!!!!!!!! |
| [20:54:59] | justinh: | shudder |
| [20:55:21] | schdav: | justinh: dishnet sd downscaling? |
| [20:55:23] | Dagmar: | ...at least until Comcast shuffles the frequencies around. |
| [20:55:25] | gbee: | thought some of ours were bad |
| [20:55:29] | iamlindoro: | Nockian, In general Comcast is converting their entire "basic cable" lineup to Clear QAM in the mojr markets-- it'll eventually find its way to the smaller markets too |
| [20:55:41] | Nockian: | awesome |
| [20:56:23] | justinh: | hahaha wife is listening to Absolute Radio in the kitchen. How rock n roll are they – just put out a public information thing about fire safety |
| [20:56:41] | justinh: | might be kinda fitting since Iggy Pop is flogging insurance these days |
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| [21:05:23] | gbee: | never thought I'd say this, but I'm grateful that Dave Ja Vu exists# |
| [21:08:20] | ** iamlindoro googles ** | |
| [21:09:21] | iamlindoro: | ah, the +1 channel |
| [21:09:42] | iamlindoro: | Guess it's a better name than Dave+1 |
| [21:10:08] | gbee: | aerial cable came loose earlier, missed the first part of the one-off special |
| [21:10:54] | gbee: | now it might turn out to be utter crap, but at least I can watch it and come to that conclusion, would have been frustrating to never know |
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| [21:30:14] | justinh: | gbee: it's on plenty other times anyway |
| [21:30:22] | justinh: | and Dave will repeat the chuff out of it |
| [21:31:45] | justinh: | wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be as it turned out. very light on jokes though |
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| [21:35:39] | iamlindoro: | BBC loading down the weekend with big specials? |
| [21:35:52] | iamlindoro: | Red Dwarf, Doctor Who, etc? |
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| [21:36:13] | markl: | is there a new dr who? |
| [21:36:16] | markl: | awesome |
| [21:36:47] | justinh: | iamlindoro: new RD is nowt to do with the BBC |
| [21:36:59] | iamlindoro: | justinh, ah |
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| [21:37:17] | justinh: | shot in HD too, BD release in Nov or so |
| [21:37:42] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Now if someone would convince BBC that Dr. Who is worthy of the treatment... |
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| [21:38:30] | justinh: | iamlindoro: that's in HD from the new specials too |
| [21:38:42] | justinh: | it's now cheap enough apparently |
| [21:38:43] | iamlindoro: | justinh, whatwhaaaaaaaa? Raelly? |
| [21:38:46] | iamlindoro: | er Really |
| [21:38:53] | iamlindoro: | Well that's great! |
| [21:38:55] | justinh: | really really |
| [21:39:07] | iamlindoro: | ISTR the excuse being that the effect cost too much to have rendered in HD |
| [21:39:12] | iamlindoro: | effect |
| [21:39:14] | iamlindoro: | effects |
| [21:39:16] | justinh: | the specials this year are all HD & AFAIK the next series will be |
| [21:39:20] | iamlindoro: | dang it, fingers have gone retarded |
| [21:39:47] | iamlindoro: | justinh, I'm awfully skeptical about Dr.-Who-in-a-dress |
| [21:39:52] | justinh: | yeah the excuse was the FX |
| [21:40:18] | justinh: | I think he'll be better than ok |
| [21:40:35] | iamlindoro: | Hope so |
| [21:41:21] | justinh: | it all hinges on the writing I think.. and I don't expect to be disappointed there |
| [21:41:50] | iamlindoro: | Well the new runner is the guy responsible for the better episodes of the past few seasons, so yeah, should be good |
| [21:41:57] | justinh: | certainly no blimmin Absorboloth episodes |
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| [21:42:20] | justinh: | oops. I forgot. to knock RTD is to be homophobic |
| [21:42:38] | justinh: | he's a gayer, so you have to take it into account & say it's all lovely daahling |
| [21:43:07] | ChinoChano: | how can i get rid of the SUBS files in the movies display? |
| [21:44:16] | justinh: | RTD's written some good stuff. loved Queer As Folk for the most part but he almost ruined Dr Who |
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| [21:47:01] | Dagmar: | THere's a new Dr Who this weekend? |
| [21:48:11] | ChinoChano: | another one more "curious". In the Media Video Folders, i see the movies, but the descriptive is not well displayed: Directed by and the beginning of the text are a bit overlayed |
| [21:48:38] | ChinoChano: | like a space missing between the Directed by and the Director's name. Same for Year, Plot, etc. |
| [21:50:30] | Dagmar: | File a bug report with the theme author |
| [21:51:55] | ChinoChano: | really? same for you? |
| [21:52:06] | ChinoChano: | i thought it could be font size related... |
| [21:52:19] | justinh: | blame the theme and/or fonts |
| [21:52:32] | Dagmar: | Nope. All my stuff works. |
| [21:52:44] | ChinoChano: | :) it s ok. i won t blame this great job. But maybe changing theme could solve this |
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| [21:54:26] | gbee: | if text overlaps it's the themers fault |
| [21:55:18] | gbee: | which theme are you using? It will appear in either the log or under the Settings > Appearance |
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| [21:59:22] | ChinoChano: | neon wide theme |
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| [22:00:30] | justinh: | there was definitely no nasty overlapping last time I saw it |
| [22:00:41] | iamlindoro: | Unfortunately that theme's author was killed in a tragic rodeo accident |
| [22:01:09] | justinh: | RIP juski |
| [22:01:13] | Dagmar: | Yes, I still can't believe they lost his entry application. |
| [22:01:45] | Dagmar: | ...and then to act like they had no idea he was going to just pratfall into the ring with that bull... deplorable. |
| [22:02:13] | ChinoChano: | ok so it s the theme fault i ll try with another one later. |
| [22:02:40] | justinh: | riding rodeo while simultaneously shooting a bukkake video was a big mistake IMHO. came off the horse thing & the camera lens went right into his eye socket. Somebody pulled it away & his brain shot out of the hole. All very sad |
| [22:02:53] | ChinoChano: | i have something i can t figure out. i played with the B flag (Browsable) cause I wanted to just show a movie, not all the files of the movie (CD1, CD2, subs, etc) |
| [22:02:55] | ** Dagmar looks vaguely ill ** | |
| [22:03:14] | justinh: | another use of the MENU key there |
| [22:03:16] | Dagmar: | Piracy is unsupported. |
| [22:03:22] | justinh: | FILTER display |
| [22:03:35] | justinh: | set that to your liking and save it as the default. badabing |
| [22:04:33] | ChinoChano: | i had a look at it, but in the options, didn t find "file extension" or "subs" or whatever... have another look. |
| [22:04:50] | justinh: | browsable.. yes or no |
| [22:04:56] | justinh: | or all |
| [22:04:58] | justinh: | :) |
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| [22:05:25] | justinh: | which means show all, show those that aren't set to browsable, or show only those which _are_ set to browsable. etc |
| [22:05:34] | gbee: | justinh: well text scaling has always been dodgy, problems will show up at some resolutions and not others, textareas overlap though – shame juski isn't around to fix it |
| [22:05:50] | Dagmar: | justinh: And to think that the woman who runs help desk here didn't believe me when I said "You'll need better insurance because I'll have killed a student within a week" |
| [22:06:38] | justinh: | bit hard to fix themes if your brain got sucked out in a tragic accident |
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| [22:10:03] | ChinoChano: | this makes the videos appear/not in the browser, but in the Video Gallery, all of them appear even if i set them to No browsable and the browsable setting to Yes |
| [22:10:05] | justinh: | besides, anybody who commits anything to stuff in /themes is likely to end up getting folks' hopes up |
| [22:10:34] | justinh: | ChinoChano: IIRC every view has its own filter settings |
| [22:11:14] | justinh: | could be wrong there though. more than likely actually |
| [22:11:28] | ChinoChano: | oh. ok. so i have to do that for every view then. |
| [22:11:31] | ChinoChano: | :/ |
| [22:11:33] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like using the file system browse |
| [22:11:58] | iamlindoro: | Erm, sorry, read out of context |
| [22:12:12] | iamlindoro: | anyway, still, subtitles should never appear period as you should never add them as file types |
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| [22:12:29] | iamlindoro: | if you have .srt or .sub files, you *don't* need to add them as file types |
| [22:13:47] | justinh: | iamlindoro: could still be that |
| [22:13:48] | ChinoChano: | ok but they ve been added automagically. |
| [22:14:07] | iamlindoro: | Then yeah, sounds like file system browse mode |
| [22:14:43] | iamlindoro: | ChinoChano, You have been here asking questions for hours-- this is all *really* basic stuff that's in the manual |
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| [22:15:03] | iamlindoro: | It's kind of impolite to ask for personal support without at least trying to read the manual first |
| [22:15:22] | schdav: | anyone on here use a mceusb2 transceiver with a dish network stb? |
| [22:15:50] | kormoc: | I used to |
| [22:17:17] | schdav: | havin a terrible time getting the transmitter to work |
| [22:17:20] | ChinoChano: | iamlindoro, ... .you re right. sorry. |
| [22:17:50] | schdav: | irsend doesn't give any errors but its not sending anything |
| [22:17:57] | schdav: | (checked with a digicam) |
| [22:18:09] | schdav: | using the stock dish config from lirc |
| [22:18:15] | kormoc: | same one I was using |
| [22:18:21] | kormoc: | you sure the transmitter is plugged into the right output? |
| [22:18:25] | jams: | both transmitters plugged in? |
| [22:18:26] | kormoc: | there's two but only #1 works |
| [22:18:35] | schdav: | yeah i have something plugged into both |
| [22:18:52] | schdav: | oh the driver only supports #1? |
| [22:19:17] | kormoc: | as far as I knew, aye |
| [22:19:21] | kormoc: | what version of lirc? |
| [22:19:27] | schdav: | 0.8.3 |
| [22:19:30] | schdav: | von ubuntu |
| [22:19:40] | schdav: | mythbuntu 8.10 to be specific |
| [22:19:42] | jams: | kormoc set_transmitters doens't work? |
| [22:20:06] | kormoc: | jams, when I was last playing with it, nope, but that was the days of requiring cvs to even get the remote working |
| [22:20:09] | schdav: | set_transmitters also does not give me any negative feedback when i try turning on both devices |
| [22:20:14] | jams: | i see |
| [22:20:49] | jams: | well i guess i could plug mine in and see if it works |
| [22:21:32] | schdav: | i thought maybe i should make my own lirc config with my dish remote but the mce receiver doesn't seem to like commands other than the ones its remote generates |
| [22:21:50] | schdav: | just get a bunch of "Signal is too long." errors |
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| [22:23:03] | kormoc: | schdav, does the remote work? |
| [22:23:07] | schdav: | yes |
| [22:23:09] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [22:23:12] | schdav: | works great |
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| [22:25:54] | schdav: | when i run an irsend command lirc logs: Apr 10 17:24:47 basement lircd-0.8.3[30865]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd |
| [22:25:54] | schdav: | Apr 10 17:24:48 basement lircd-0.8.3[30865]: removed clien |
| [22:25:56] | jams: | with lirc 8.5RC1 irsend works. By default it does both ports and irsend set_transmitters allows you to flip between them. |
| [22:26:12] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, So just noticed an interesting behavior that you may know about-- "Scan For Changes" in trunk, as you know, won't show the updates until allowing the cache to die-- but you can scan again and again and again, adding allll the same stuff many times |
| [22:26:18] | schdav: | so try rolling my own lirc then? |
| [22:26:31] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, And when you leave, re-enter, and try a scan to remove the many duplicates, they don't go anywhere |
| [22:26:56] | jams: | schdav- it works here, thats about all i can say |
| [22:27:05] | schdav: | ok |
| [22:27:11] | schdav: | i'll see what that does |
| [22:27:19] | jams: | i don't remember much about 8.3 |
| [22:27:29] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, Although obviously that will be solved in the long term by forcing the cache to expire on a scan or however you intend to solve that one |
| [22:27:37] | schdav: | supposedly trans with mceusb2 was introduced in 0.8.2 |
| [22:28:05] | schdav: | but who knows what the ubuntu packages do |
| [22:29:23] | schdav: | jams: from where did you get 8.5rc1? don't see it on lirc.org |
| [22:29:28] | jams: | schdav- i was using the mce receiver with a streamzap code set. |
| [22:29:59] | jams: | http://www.lirc.org/software/snapshots |
| [22:30:07] | jams: | guess it was snapshot vs RC |
| [22:30:13] | schdav: | ah ok |
| [22:30:25] | schdav: | you were using pre1? |
| [22:30:41] | jams: | yes |
| [22:31:09] | schdav: | wth i'll give pre2 a shot and then cry when it doesn't work |
| [22:31:16] | jams: | might as well try pre2 =) |
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| [22:43:44] | ChinoChano: | iamlindoro, i can t find the mythtv manual/handbook/user guide... what is the exact name of it? |
| [22:44:11] | ChinoChano: | ok: documentation. |
| [22:45:04] | genii: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index makes for good reading also |
| [22:48:14] | ChinoChano: | ok thanks. i ll have a deep look. |
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| [23:14:39] | ChinoChano: | can i ask a small thing? how can i have mythtv in fullscreen (i have the menu bars in gnome) |
| [23:15:45] | ** schdav cry ** | |
| [23:16:26] | schdav: | jams: who "made" your device? what's the kernel call it? |
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| [23:18:21] | jams: | lirc_mceusb2[10]: Philips eHome Infrared Transceiver on usb1:10 |
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| [23:22:17] | jams: | Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0471:0815 Philips |
| [23:23:39] | schdav: | jams: thanks. mine shows up as |
| [23:23:42] | schdav: | lirc_mceusb2: Philips eHome USB IR Transceiver and Microsoft MCE 2005 Remote Control driver for LIRC $Revision: 1.44 $ |
| [23:23:58] | schdav: | and |
| [23:23:59] | schdav: | lirc_mceusb2[12]: Topseed Technology Corp. eHome Infrared Transceiver on usb2:12 |
| [23:24:08] | schdav: | lsusb says |
| [23:24:17] | schdav: | Bus 002 Device 012: ID 1784:0008 TopSeed Technology Corp. |
| [23:24:26] | schdav: | so maybe the TopSeed is my problem |
| [23:26:12] | jams: | a quick search for topseed show others having the same problem |
| [23:27:01] | jams: | kind of dated thought |
| [23:27:05] | jams: | though |
| [23:27:21] | schdav: | yeah i see that now |
| [23:27:24] | schdav: | yay |
| [23:27:30] | schdav: | time to send it back |
| [23:28:15] | jams: | can't say i have heard of topseed before |
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| [23:28:19] | schdav: | man, i had a heck of a time trying to get an iguanair device to work, finally gave up after a terrible time getting support from them, thought i did my research on this one, and now i'm back to where i started |
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| [23:28:39] | jams: | the iguanair usb or serial? |
| [23:28:42] | schdav: | usb |
| [23:28:55] | schdav: | the iguanair daemon segfaults |
| [23:29:11] | jams: | serial works fine, the usb is different to set up but it worked here. |
| [23:29:20] | jams: | ah can't help you with the segfault |
| [23:29:20] | schdav: | yeah i had it working at one point |
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| [23:29:32] | schdav: | then i made the mistake of upgrading |
| [23:29:39] | Dagmar: | The serial models they sell work great |
| [23:29:53] | jams: | schdav- it's expensive but the commandir works |
| [23:30:13] | schdav: | jams: yeah i was of course going the cheap route |
| [23:30:32] | jams: | if you order from them be sure to mention my name. They will sell it to you for full price |
| [23:31:14] | schdav: | jams: full price eh? ;) |
| [23:31:21] | jams: | hehe |
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| [23:32:56] | schdav: | i had a serial device from irblaster.info too, and it worked until it didnt. took it apart and the wiring job was pretty bad. maybe i'll go buy some tools and just fix that. would like the dual transmitter but its not mandatory (yet) |
| [23:33:39] | jams: | does the one from irblaster.info recieve & transmit? |
| [23:33:46] | schdav: | no just transmit |
| [23:34:07] | schdav: | so i could keep using the mceusb2 for receiving i guess |
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| [23:34:28] | jams: | that would work. |
| [23:35:11] | schdav: | or maybe dish could get a clue and give us an interface for changing channels that doesn't involve and irblaster |
| [23:35:19] | schdav: | but that won't happen |
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| [23:42:00] | schdav: | at this point a lego mindstorms robot pushing remote buttons is sounding awesome |
| [23:42:23] | genii: | There any good DIY satellite dish tracking projects someone knows of? |
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| [23:43:41] | schdav: | http://www.satelliteguys.us/ |
| [23:43:55] | schdav: | they have a FTA section |
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| [23:45:37] | jams: | schdav- that does sound awesome, and if nothing else it's pretty geeky |
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