Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, April 7th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

guess I still didn't get that right... "I don't think mythudprelay is required" or "I think mythudprelay is /not/ required"

[00:00:53]

mzb:

I got the meaning (despite double negative;))

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sphery:

words is confuzaled

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clever:

i think you need atleast 1 mythudprelay on the network

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sphery:

I use mythtvosd without it

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clever:

which translates the broadcasts from the modemapp into mythnotify broadcasts

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sphery:

you only need it if your broadcasting it

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mzb:

for individual target I don't see the issue

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mzb:

^^

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sphery:

right

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clever:

ive set it up before but my modem is damaged now

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sphery:

and if he doesn't need "modemapp" (or whatever), he can just send a mythnotify message

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mzb:

and as I wan't each mythtvFE as a separate extension it's fine

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clever:

sphery: that 'modemapp' was something that listened on the serial port for callerid data

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sphery:

Yeah, figured it was something related to the whole callerid thing. Since I don't have a landline phone (and haven't for /many/ years), I don't know anything about that stuff.

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clever:

i droped my pcmcia dialup modem and now the plug wont come out

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clever:

so i had to pry the cover off

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iamlindoro__:

I do so enjoy my clever interludes

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iamlindoro__:

I sometimes just sit and think about him dropping something, or maybe picking something up, or often of him walking around, or aspirating air

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iamlindoro__:

sometimes I even imagine him picking something up, only to place it down elsewhere

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iamlindoro__:

Oh wait

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iamlindoro__:

NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU DID OR ABOUT ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED TO YOU

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slayven:

iamlindoro__: to whom are you talking to? =)

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iamlindoro__:

The the person I referenced in my first sentence

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mzb:

hmm ... bit hard to debug the notify

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mzb:

err... mythtvosd doesn't even seem to be working on the localhost (FE)

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mzb:

*sigh*

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mzb:

with mythtvosd it says it's been sent, there's "something" listening on port 6948, but nothing on the screen ... how do I debug this?

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sphery:

mzb: you're doing tv playback, right? mythtvosd /only/ works during video playback

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mzb:

yep, it's currently watching livetv

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sphery:

don't know if it's working with trunk, anymore

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sphery:

works fine in -fixes

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mzb:

looks like it doesn't. I'm running trunk

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mzb:

rats

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mzb:

might have to go to plan B ... get up onto the roof and play with aerials :(

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mzb:

any debug info you'd like before I lose interest?

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mzb:

heh ... and if I was running fixes it would be a non-issue anyway as mythphone would be doing it's job instead!

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mzb:

it's def. a conspiracy ;)

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wagnerrp:

didnt mythphone get dumped?

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iamlindoro__:

like a baby momma

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mzb:

wagnerrp: yes, it did ... which is why I was looking for an alternative, only to discover that mythtvosd isn't working either!

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro__: does that mean the baby daddy is now off shaking it up with the HDPVR?

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iamlindoro__:

Sure, why not

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** mzb throws the baby out with the bath water **

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mAdcOwbRAins:

Hello – I've added Avenard's repository to my sources.list but how do I ensure I install his version of mythtv instead of the other version in the Ubuntu repository?

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iamlindoro__:

mAdcOwbRAins, Absolutely no support for that fork is provided here

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iamlindoro__:

You can seek help directly from him

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wagnerrp:

mAdcOwbRAins: all support for that should be directed right at Avenard

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mAdcOwbRAins:

iamlindoro__: touched a nerve there eh?

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iamlindoro__:

nope, just the basic answer

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wagnerrp:

JVA's patches represent a fork from mythtv

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wagnerrp:

it would be like us supporting linuxmce

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wagnerrp:

damned government.... ive got another two months of 'digital countdown' tickers

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wagnerrp:

at least NBC has the necessary equipment to add that stuff directly

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wagnerrp:

CBS downsamples to the SD feed

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iamlindoro__:

sphery sees that any time some rain falls, there's a brush fire, a school closes, etc.

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iamlindoro__:

It's no wonder he doesn't archive any TV

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: or when the wind blows

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iamlindoro__:

Or a car drives down the street

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sphery:

oh, yeah, that one, too--but for that they finally ended up just cutting directly to the news center and skipped the last 10mins of the show

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iamlindoro__:

hahaha

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wagnerrp:

because they cant just have a ticker that says 'if you actually care what we have to say, cut to our secondary feed'

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iamlindoro__:

MHEG sure would have been nice

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wagnerrp:

because we have to see their weather in ach-dee

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wagnerrp:

they spent $30M on new radar, theyre damn well going to show it off every time a little hurricane comes through

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sphery:

wagnerrp: exactly

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sphery:

guess they realize that /nobody/ actually watches their 24-hr weather subchannel

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wagnerrp:

WTF???

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wagnerrp:

one of those 'the more you know' snippets

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wagnerrp:

'they call earth the blue planet, sounds a lot better than the brown planet, doesnt it'

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wagnerrp:

i dont think ive ever heard any planet models, anywhere, which claim earth may turn into a dustbowl

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iamlindoro__:

You FAIL for watching commercials

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wagnerrp:

blame the commflagger...

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sphery:

even Mars turned red after it split in half and lost its water

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wagnerrp:

mars lost its (atmospheric) water to solar wind

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wagnerrp:

tends to happen when your core cools and solidifies, and your magnetic field collapses

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at0m|c:

'how's your core temp lately?'

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iamlindoro__:

"I don't know, why don't you come over and check"

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wagnerrp:

if i didnt know better, i would think that were an invite to an anal probing

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sphery:

I keep my cores warm with /lots/ of BOINC

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iamlindoro__:

Ugh

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at0m|c:

that, and commflagging :)

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iamlindoro__:

Why does the battery for my motorcycle have to cost 4x that for my car?

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wagnerrp:

production volume?

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at0m|c:

bike uses gel battery?

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iamlindoro__:

I know, but it's not fairrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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wagnerrp:

are motorcycle batteries a standard form factor? or are they fitted to the bike?

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iamlindoro__:

They're semi-custom

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iamlindoro__:

There are a number of similar standard form factors, but you'd better get the right one for your battery cover and which will fit under your seat

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iamlindoro__:

Could have been worse... could have bought the dealer brand

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wagnerrp:

just think about how much youre saving in gas and dignity over a prius

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iamlindoro__:

haven't rode in months, went to start her this weekend and... nothing

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wagnerrp:

just for kicks, on how much power commflagging actually takes

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wagnerrp:

1080i60 mpeg2 is taking some 550MHz of an A64, and 720p60 is taking about 700MHz

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rockx0zone:

hey wagnerrp.

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wagnerrp:

saw your PM about an hour ago

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/PVR150_Remote

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rockx0zone:

cool thanks. i'm trying to do this on my own as much as possible but i'm not so familiar with the inner workings of linux and i want to amke sure im doing everything the right way

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iamlindoro__:

Hmm. Methinks it's time to set up IRC proxying

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at0m|c:

iamlindoro__: talking of proxying, what's the kind of proxy one gets banned for? web or irc proxy?

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wagnerrp:

banned from what?

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iamlindoro__:

at0m|c, Yeah, what he said?

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wagnerrp:

why would you get banned for using a proxy?

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at0m|c:

wagnerrp: some irc servers check for available proxies on clients

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at0m|c:

and when found, they kick the client's butt

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wagnerrp:

the only thing ive ever heard of, of that sort, was some IRC servers doing a basic security probe of their clients

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at0m|c:

wouldnt mind to mask this mibbit behind a home proxy eh

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at0m|c:

wagnerrp: right, the proxy scan would be part of that

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at0m|c:

maybe as a countermeasure to botnets?

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at0m|c:

i dont know..

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at0m|c:

first sensible answer google returned, from http://www.mirc.co.uk/help/proxies.html#section7-0 explains Open Proxy risks

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wagnerrp:

different kind of proxy

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wagnerrp:

thats a network proxy

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at0m|c:

yea, but wasn't sure which kind that some servers' motd talked about

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wagnerrp:

an irc proxy acts as a client, logs in for you, and then you can log into it from multiple elsewheres as that single user and grab backlogs and such

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at0m|c:

now i am :)

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at0m|c:

right

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eric__:

setting my myth system to wake up and record. when I type: echo 0 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm

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eric__:

Permission denied, how do i change

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kormoc:

do it as root

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eric__:

stupid question, but how do i log in to root?

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kormoc:

depends on your distro

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clever:

su, sudo

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eric__:

I have Linux mint

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kormoc:

no idea

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clever:

same

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eric__:

tried su and sudo and the same

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wagnerrp:

whats with this recent surge of linux mint

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wagnerrp:

i mean theyve been around for a while

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wagnerrp:

did they just hit a new release or something?

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kormoc:

eric__, with sudo, you just ran echo as root, not the redirect

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kormoc:

eric__, try sudo su -

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** kormoc shrugs **

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eric__:

I have been coming in here with questions about Mint maybe it's just me a bunch of times

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clever:

kormoc: thats bad, use sudo -i

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tank-man:

you can use sudo with "tee" to redirect that echo output

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clever:

tank-man: but only if sudo is allready setup to work

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tank-man:

else login as root

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tank-man:

ubuntu is still number 1 at distrowatch's H.P.D. (hits per day) counter

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rockx0zone:

wagnerrp, one more quick question – on the first page where it talks about the lirc driver installation...do i need to do that since I installed lirc via the synaptic package manager?

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wagnerrp:

rockx0zone: hopefully the needed lirc drivers came with your package

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wagnerrp:

otherwise... you may have to grab the source and build them on your own

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wagnerrp:

when you run lircd, it should autodetect and load the necessary kernel modules, if you have them installed

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eric__:

sudo su worked

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wagnerrp:

at least it handles all that stuff automatically on mine

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clever:

eric__: 'sudo su -' is bad, use 'sudo -i' if you can

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eric__:

I'm out of it.

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eric__:

I hope I'm following the directions correctly from the wiki

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RyeBrye:

Hmm... Is there a way to make the HDHR start polling and reconnect if it drops connection in the middle of a recording?

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wagnerrp:

ideally, you have a stable network

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RyeBrye:

Yeah. I know :)

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RyeBrye:

I've been bitten a few times where I've had a network issue and I restarted my router and didn't think about the HDHR being on it too

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RyeBrye:

once you kill the network you have to restart the backend before it will reconnect to the hdhr it seems

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RyeBrye:

it's not the end of the world – but both times it's caused a mild "ahh... crap" as I watch the show and hit the wall 26 or 28 minutes into it when it died :)

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sphery:

can you do a 2nd NIC and a separate network just for the HDHR?

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wagnerrp:

to to newegg, buy a $15 switch

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RyeBrye:

That's probably what I'm going to do.

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sphery:

$10 fix to make it completely independent of your router

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clever:

sphery: i think so

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RyeBrye:

Well, I'll have to put a switch in or run another 100 feet of wire

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RyeBrye:

(switch is cheaper obviously :) )

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RyeBrye:

I wonder if maybe an error notification hook would be worhwhile though – because the polling wouldn't matter in the HDHR – if I was aware that the recording was dead I could have just restarted it and missed a few minutes and not cared...

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RyeBrye:

(although for this partcular case, obviously any kind of notification that requires the network wouldn't work :) )

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RyeBrye:

I could have it tie into X10 and blink my lights or fire of one of those X10 alarm sirens

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RyeBrye:

;)

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wagnerrp:

bleh... go for a full on klaxon

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RyeBrye:

hmm... I could have it tie into an IVR system and call the police station – and have them send an officer to my house to deliver the message

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wagnerrp:

the 'GTFO before we flood the room with halon' kind of klaxon

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RyeBrye:

That woudl be good too

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at0m|c:

RyeBrye: using wifi router with 1 wire to WAN, 1 wire to gigaLAN switch

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at0m|c:

switch has never failed, LAN is always up :)

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RyeBrye:

at0mic – good thinking. that way the HDHR and the mythtv are always connected regardless of if the router is up

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wagnerrp:

ive had multiple switches fail

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at0m|c:

exactly

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at0m|c:

wagnerrp: you dont need multiple that fail, just one that works ;p

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wagnerrp:

although since last october, ive rebooted my router once

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122208 think this one would work ;)

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RyeBrye:

I NEVER want my home LAN to fail

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wagnerrp:

then you probably shouldnt buy a netgear

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RyeBrye:

lol :)

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wagnerrp:

sure, you get a lifetime warrenty! but netgear is the ghetto thug of the networking world

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wagnerrp:

every so often they just get shot

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wagnerrp:

dont forget that on top of the $2800 for the switch itself, youll have to shell out for SFP modules to actually use it

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at0m|c:

wagnerrp: still, IMHO the uptime of a switch would outlive that of a router, things are just much less complicated in a switch

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wagnerrp:

at0m|c: you would think so....

[02:21:59]

wagnerrp:

the netgear switches at work just go wonky every couple months

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clever:

ive got a switch thats nearing 10 years old, cisco

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wagnerrp:

ive already had to replace one of my netgears due to a dead port

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clever:

the only major problems ive had are unseen side effects from config changes

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wagnerrp:

although i will admit, their replacement support is amazing

[02:23:18]

clever:

and i cant network boot some systems from ports on the cisco

[02:23:39]

clever:

it just gets a dhcp timeout

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wagnerrp:

although i did lose a linksys switch due to a dead fan

[02:25:19]

wagnerrp:

supposedly the chip it used didnt even need active cooling

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eric__:

iamlindoro_, where can i find how to set up mythweb

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wagnerrp:

but the fan died, the switch got unstable

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHAHAHA

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wagnerrp:

that was fantastic

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wagnerrp:

eric__: you dont start mythweb, you start apache

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at0m|c:

eric__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb

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wagnerrp:

the 'Nissan Cube'... did Nissan get jealous of Toyota's eXtreme Box?

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pembo13:

is there a sperate IRC channel for Schedules Direct ?

[02:29:16]

pembo13:

is it possible to see the listing that SD is giving to mythtv

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pembo13:

?

[02:29:27]

pembo13:

mythtv just skipped a perfectly good recording saying that it was a rerun

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wagnerrp:

there are listings viewers, yes

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wagnerrp:

check the SD site, and they have a list of approved applications

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: ok

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wagnerrp:

if SD said it was a rerun, its because TMS told them it was a rerun, because the station told them it was a rerun

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sphery:

pembo13: what got skipped

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wagnerrp:

more likely, they were told it was a generic episode

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pembo13:

sphery: House MD

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: it has the full subtext

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wagnerrp:

the correct subtext?

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: it shows up as least episode, complete with synopsis

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sphery:

yeah, and there may have been a last-minute update that told them it was new, so even if you check what's you get from SD, now, it's not a valid test...

[02:31:51]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: correct subtext for last week

[02:32:36]

pembo13:

sphery: i'm not sure i follow, are you saying they just had bad data?

[02:32:46]

wagnerrp:

correct

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pembo13:

sphery: or that I can't know for sure that that is the problem

[02:32:53]

sphery:

pembo13: tonight's House shows up as "Simple Explanation" on my listings, original airdate Apr 6, 2009

[02:33:00]

sphery:

so SD had the right data

[02:33:20]

sphery:

it's just a matter of when they (actually TMS) got it and when your mythfilldatabase run occurred

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rockx0zone:

i am running lircd irw but the console doesn't appear to "hang" as stated in the mythtv wiki...i think i am doing something wrong

[02:33:54]

pembo13:

sphery: i assumed that mythfill ran daily

[02:33:59]

sphery:

what does backend status say for last mythfilldatabase run?

[02:34:13]

sphery:

pembo13: yeah, but if yours ran 1hr before SD had the data...

[02:34:17]

wagnerrp:

rockx0zone: does it just return directly to a prompt?

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sphery:

i.e. "last-minute" update

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clever:

channel 6 was dead when house started today

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pembo13:

sphery: -04–06 15:58

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sphery:

though, really, we need to know when your mythfilldatabase ran /yesterday/, not today, so nvm

[02:35:06]

pembo13:

sphery: so it ran today

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clever:

but i was able too quikly tune it over to 43 and fix it

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rockx0zone:

yes and then i have to remote lircd.pid from the /var/run directory

[02:35:21]

rockx0zone:

*remove

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sphery:

pembo13: yeah, it doesn't download today's listings--when it downloads listings, it deletes all listings from the DB for that channel on that day, the populates what we get. If you force it to update today's listings, you get /only/ what's airing after now

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sphery:

which is why we need when it ran yesterday--but since yours already ran today, we can't tell

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pembo13:

sphery: sorry, rewing..

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wagnerrp:

maybe its just me... but isnt it bad product placement when you have a car that dies?

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pembo13:

rewind*

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pembo13:

sphery: what did you say you have as the episode title for House MD?

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wagnerrp:

unless of course... toyota/scion paid to have that nissan die in heroes

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pembo13:

ok, well forget that then SD had the right info

[02:37:28]

sphery:

yesterday mythfilldatabase downloaded today's listings--mfdb only downloads tomorrow (+1) and +13 (basically 2 weeks out) unless there are other days with bigs holes in their data

[02:37:31]

wagnerrp:

'Simple Explanation'... house recorded fine for me too

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pembo13:

mythtv just decided the episode was old

[02:37:38]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: hmm

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: so its just my mythtv that diudn't record Simple Explanation?

[02:38:01]

sphery:

pembo13: you're saying that it shows "Simple Explanation" and shows original airdate of Apr 6/

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sphery:

in /your/ listings

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rockx0zone:

wagnerrp: what do I do if it returns to the prompt?

[02:38:15]

pembo13:

sphery: yes

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pembo13:

sphery: it says didn't record because it was previosuly recorded

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wagnerrp:

rockx0zone: usually means lirc has no devices

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wagnerrp:

no /dev/lirc0

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rockx0zone:

i ran that and it found the remote, i can the cat command and symbols came up

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sphery:

pembo13: go in mythfrontend to "Manage Recordings" then "Previously Recorded" and then find that showing of House

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wagnerrp:

something unsettling about a japanese truck driver with a hick accent

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sphery:

even if it didn't record, it will tell you /why/ it didn't record on that page

[02:39:15]

sphery:

pembo13: you can use 1 and 2 to change sort (one is time the other is title)

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pembo13:

sphery: recorded 3/30

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pembo13:

sphery: so something was confused

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pembo13:

sphery: i want to know how comes it worked for you guys though

[02:40:25]

sphery:

so then likely on 3/30 Fox aired something--i.e. a presidential interruption, er, speech

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pembo13:

sphery: i'm assuming you se SD

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sphery:

and your listings had the old info--that it was House Simple Explanation

[02:40:46]

sphery:

and your system recorded it

[02:40:51]

sphery:

and you realized it wasn't House

[02:40:53]

sphery:

so you deleted it

[02:41:06]

sphery:

but you forgot to say /and allow re-record/

[02:41:13]

pembo13:

hm

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pembo13:

sphery: that was last week though

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dmz:

quick question, how is it defined which backend is the master?

[02:41:41]

pembo13:

sphery: there was an episode of house that day i think

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rockx0zone:

wagnerrp: i ran modprobe lirc_i2c and dmesg and everything came up the same as what was inthe mythtv wiki. then i ran cat /dev/lirc0 and some crazy symbols came up. is there something else I need to check to make sure it's working properly?

[02:42:06]

sphery:

well, if you look in previously recorded, you'll find that myth thinks it recorded that episode on 3/30

[02:42:18]

sphery:

so it was a change to the schedule

[02:42:24]

wagnerrp:

well then what is irw doing?

[02:42:26]

sphery:

and somehow it didn't get updated

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kormoc:

dmz, the one who's ip matches the one set as the master ip?

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pembo13:

sphery: do you have that time slot from last week?

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sphery:

looking at mine, though, the president's speed was 3/24... Don't know what--if anything was on 3/30

[02:42:57]

rockx0zone:

wagnerrp: not sure. the command is "lircd irw" right?

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pembo13:

sphery: i watched an episode last week

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pembo13:

sphery: last week recorded just fine

[02:43:10]

wagnerrp:

lircd is the daemon

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wagnerrp:

irw is the monitoring program

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pembo13:

sphery: so something about the info for that day was bad

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dmz:

kormoc is that defined in the database or in the mythtv-setup?

[02:43:19]

sphery:

pembo13: mine shows House Locked In on 3/30

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kormoc:

dmz, both

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pembo13:

sphery: yah, that's what played

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what 'lircd irw' would do, other than probably dump some error to screen because youre doing it wrong

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pembo13:

sphery: that's not what myth is showing me though

[02:43:47]

wagnerrp:

lircd should ideally never be called by you

[02:43:53]

wagnerrp:

rather only started by your init scripts

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pembo13:

sphery: i'm just trying to figure out what happened so i can avoid it

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sphery:

so find the 3/30 showing of House Simple Explanation and see what it says for status

[02:44:06]

sphery:

probably says recorded

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pembo13:

sphery: yes it does

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sphery:

so, on 3/30 you got bad info

[02:44:37]

sphery:

probably Fox re-ordered them at the last minute or something

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pembo13:

sphery: how is it that you got good info though

[02:44:42]

pembo13:

hm

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dmz:

kormoc if i want to move my master to another machine, do i just turn off the old one, goto it's mythtv-setup, remove it's capture cards, goto the new machine & configure mythtv-setup and it becomes new master?

[02:45:05]

mzb:

LoOnY730mzm

[02:45:16]

mzb:

duh

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sphery:

pembo13: because it's all a matter of luck--when your local station gives TMS the update and when your mythfilldatabase happens to run on the day before

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** kormoc ghosts mzb **

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kormoc:

dmz, basically, aye

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** mzb changes his password ;) **

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pembo13:

sphery: luck huh

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pembo13:

ok thanks

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rockx0zone:

wagnerrp: i see. the conf file I am using is here. http://lircconfig.commandir.com/lircd.conf/?viewremote=199&nb sp;– can you see if this looks right? btw, you prob already knew abou this site has a TON of .conf files.

[02:46:07]

sphery:

yeah...

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pembo13:

i don't know why they treat the tv listings as if they are precious materials

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sphery:

dmz: make sure you change the master backend IP address on /all/ machines, too (in mythtv-setup)

[02:46:53]

wagnerrp:

rockx0zone: with the hauppauge driver, you should not have to touch any lirc conf files

[02:46:54]

meshe:

rockx0zone: what distro, Ubuntu right?

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wagnerrp:

just the lircrc

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pembo13:

does myth have any built in feature(s) to email the upcoming recordings every day?

[02:47:17]

wagnerrp:

just load the driver, start lircd with your init scripts, and then run irw

[02:47:29]

kormoc:

pembo13, no, but mythweb has rss and ical support

[02:47:36]

rockx0zone:

meshe: yes

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sphery:

dmz: ignore me... Master backend IP address is global--so just change it once :)

[02:47:38]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: in -fixes?

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meshe:

what remote are you using?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, thought so?

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iamlindoro:

Well there we are

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i have no idea

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kormoc:

perhaps not, it's been awhile

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wagnerrp:

just saying i didnt notice it until i started using trunk

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sphery:

dmz: though you will need to copy your ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and/or ~/.mythtv/config.xml from the updated system to all other systems

[02:48:13]

pembo13:

kormoc: ok thanks, i have mythweb setup already, i'll lhave to subscribe to the RSS

[02:48:17]

rockx0zone:

wagnerrp: man...im sorry but I have no idea how to do what you just said.

[02:48:27]

wagnerrp:

is lircd running?

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meshe:

rockx0zone: what remote are you using?

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iamlindoro:

Neat, now I can be just me without the _

[02:48:38]

iamlindoro:

and sphery can stop badgering me

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rockx0zone:

the grey hauppauge remote

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wagnerrp:

meshe: hauppauge grey on the hvr-1600

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sphery:

iamlindoro: install bip?

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rockx0zone:

wagnerrp: let me check..

[02:49:22]

meshe:

rockx0zone: ubuntu trick for you: gksudo apt-get install mythbuntu-lirc-generator

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iamlindoro:

sphery, yar :)

[02:50:06]

sphery:

nice

[02:50:26]

sphery:

I've been saying that 3 iamlindoro* is too many

[02:50:40]

iamlindoro:

1 is too many for most people

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sphery:

heh

[02:51:00]

sphery:

I was being nice.

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kormoc:

So you agree then?

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kormoc:

:P

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iamlindoro:

seems like ;)

[02:52:12]

meshe:

rockx0zone: then run mythbuntu-lirc-generator it should catch your hauppauge config and set up your lircrc files for you

[02:52:15]

iamlindoro:

went through three crap efforts, bip was by far the most sensible in the end

[02:52:19]

sphery:

my mommy told me if I don't have anything nice to say I should keep my mouth shut

[02:52:25]

sphery:

so, I guess I'll be quiet, now

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iamlindoro:

youch!

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** iamlindoro knew he shouldn't have peed in sphery's cheerios (again) **

[02:53:11]

sphery:

and here I thought the milk had just gone bad

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rockx0zone:

meshe: yea but I messed with my lircd.conf file and I think I need to get the old one back

[02:53:41]

meshe:

rockx0zone: i have another trick for you then :)

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iamlindoro:

need to make sure to keep these logs of sensible size, though

[02:53:59]

meshe:

rockx0zone: gksudo aptitude reconfigure lirc

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meshe:

apt FTW!

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sphery:

yeah, I ended up doing the irssi-in-multisession-screen-on-one-system and using ssh to just shell to that system to see from any computer

[02:55:06]

meshe:

sphery: that's what i do

[02:55:13]

sphery:

I didn't like the scrollback/log treatment in bip

[02:55:27]

sphery:

though I keep saying I'm going to take the time to figure it out/customize it

[02:55:51]

meshe:

i used to use my firewall box at home for that, but since we moved i've been using my VPS

[02:55:59]

rockx0zone:

meshe: the same info is in my lircd.conf file. the command ran though

[02:57:08]

rockx0zone:

can't I just disable and reenable remote and blaster in the control centre?

[02:57:19]

meshe:

rockx0zone: mv /etc/lirc/lircd.conf ~/

[02:57:31]

meshe:

rockx0zone: gksudo aptitude reconfigure lirc

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sphery:

meshe: was the firewall box a router w/{Open,DD-}WRT or a real computer?

[02:57:45]

meshe:

choose the hauppauge remote

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I'm just so partial to xchat that I wanted something that would work well with it, this seems to fit the bill

[02:58:04]

meshe:

then rerun: mythbuntu-lirc-generator

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sphery:

iamlindoro: cool... Yeah, for GUI you don't have much choice since all the work on X teleporting died like 20 years ago

[02:58:32]

meshe:

rockx0zone: then for good form: sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart

[02:58:37]

** sphery longs for X teleportation **

[02:58:50]

iamlindoro:

I do all my X via TARDIS

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wagnerrp:

teleportation?

[02:59:03]

meshe:

sphery: it was a 1U rackmount sserver that ran debian Woody, very locked down, just ssh and a couple of port forwards open in iptables

[02:59:27]

sphery:

meshe: ah, was wondering how you had room for scrollback in a little router

[02:59:31]

iamlindoro:

ssh --timey-wimey iamlindoro@iamlindoro.sexypenguins.com --allons-y

[03:00:15]

sphery:

wagnerrp: teleport an X client from one X display to another...

[03:00:19]

meshe:

never got around to using (open|dd)wrt

[03:00:24]

Staticwave_Ace:

hello all

[03:00:32]

Staticwave_Ace:

I'm having a major problem my mythtv installation

[03:00:38]

wagnerrp:

sphery: there was some proxy application that allowed that

[03:00:39]

kormoc:

ugh.... 5 hour power outage at home again

[03:00:42]

wagnerrp:

i forget the name though

[03:00:44]

sphery:

iamlindoro: now I'm having to read about TARDIS

[03:01:01]

Staticwave_Ace:

today most of my shows recorded far less than (1/3 to 2/3 of the total time)

[03:01:25]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, basically all the implementations are naive and far-too-incomplete and people stopped working on them about 20 yrs ago

[03:01:27]

iamlindoro:

For what it's worth, today's shows were 1/3rd to 1/2 as good as normal

[03:01:38]

sphery:

too many Keith P's who love direct rendering in this world... :)

[03:02:11]

Staticwave_Ace:

iamlindoro: of course, but besides the point

[03:02:16]

rockx0zone:

meshe: when i type in gksudo aptitude reconfigure lirc i get 'Unknown command "reconfigure"

[03:02:51]

meshe:

rockx0zone: sorry, my bad, it's: gksudo dpkg reconfigure lirc

[03:02:59]

meshe:

i always get those mixed up

[03:03:43]

iamlindoro:

with a hyphen

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sphery:

OK, 15 yrs ago, not 20...

[03:03:49]

iamlindoro:

dpkg-reconfigure

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sphery:

around about 1994, it seems

[03:10:54]

meshe:

iamlindoro: or that

[03:10:54]

meshe:

using the gksudo it pops up a nice windowed gui to configure lirc

[03:10:54]

Staticwave_Ace:

so, does anyone know why recordings might be so much smaller than they should be?

[03:10:54]

sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg/attarchive/teleport/ and http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/teleport

[03:10:54]

sphery:

is probably the most complete

[03:10:54]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i know i was using some program i found a couple months ago

[03:10:54]

wagnerrp:

but i could never get it to work reliably

[03:10:54]

wagnerrp:

and quit trying

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rockx0zone:

yea, dpkg-reconfigure. but now its saying that /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another processL resource temporarily unavailable

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wagnerrp:

i wanted to flip xchat between the local terminal and vnc

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meshe:

rockx0zone: do you have apt open anywhere?

[03:10:54]

wagnerrp:

can remember the name though

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rockx0zone:

meshe: i dont think so

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meshe:

if not, then you might want to reboot

[03:10:54]

sphery:

wagnerrp: the best implementation would be the OpenSSH X proxy server turned into a teleport server

[03:10:54]

sphery:

IIRC, they actually had that as an option for one of the GSoC's

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sphery:

no one took it, though

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rockx0zone:

meshe: i restarted and it let me run the command – think I found the problem. "starting remote control daemon(s) : LIRC ....fail!

[03:11:35]

meshe:

running the command may fix that

[03:12:02]

rockx0zone:

running what command?

[03:12:15]

rockx0zone:

i lost all of my chat history...

[03:12:27]

meshe:

gksudo dpkg reconfigure lirc

[03:12:48]

at0m|c:

dpkg-reconfigure

[03:12:51]

gbutters:

gksudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc

[03:13:35]

justdave:

hmm, so mythweb seems dead with the latest updates on ubuntu

[03:13:42]

justdave:

<b>Fatal error</b>: Unknown: Cannot use both zlib.output_compression and output_handler together!! in <b>Unknown</b> on line <b>0</b><br />

[03:13:57]

meshe:

then try restarting lirc: sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart

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justdave:

php_value zlib.output_handler Off

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justdave:

php_value output_handler NULL

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justdave:

and they're right next to each other in mythweb.conf

[03:14:28]

justdave:

er, that's not compression

[03:14:30]

** justdave keeps looking **

[03:14:49]

justdave:

php.ini must have added that or something I bet

[03:15:03]

kaeles:

Is there something special I need to be doing if I'm tryign to use a dvb box into my happauge 500 svideo input? I haven't got the channel change code/script set into mythtv yet, but it still isn't showing any input at all or even letting me get into the watch tv section on the frontend.

[03:15:14]

rockx0zone:

meshe: im trying to select hauppage and instead of letting me select it's spitting out garbage from my keyboard

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sphery:

kaeles: you need to set an external channel change script

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gbutters:

justdave, https://wiki.foxmediasystems.com/index.php/Ubuntu_MythWeb_Blank

[03:15:44]

meshe:

rockx0zone: did you do gksudo? it should have popped up a window

[03:15:50]

sphery:

kaeles: if you haven't got it set up, use /bin/true

[03:15:59]

Staticwave_Ace:

can anyone please help me? I got only 10 minutes from House today, and I'm really quite addicted :-/

[03:16:09]

kaeles:

ok, so it should display "something" if I use the /bin/true?

[03:16:20]

kaeles:

or let me into the watch tv section even I mean.

[03:16:21]

rockx0zone:

meshe, yes i typed gksudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc

[03:16:24]

sphery:

kaeles: likely your channel change is failing, so it just exits LiveTV

[03:16:30]

sphery:

if that's the problem, /bin/true will work

[03:16:30]

kaeles:

ah, ok thanks

[03:16:33]

kaeles:

I'll try that

[03:16:40]

meshe:

rockx0zone: and it didn't pop up a window?

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iamlindoro:

abarber, your length ticket is a very very old, very very well known issue with recording lengths

[03:16:49]

rockx0zone:

no, it changed the terminal colors

[03:17:13]

iamlindoro:

abarber, at least three tickets exist for it, so yours is a dupe of a dupe of a dupe

[03:17:18]

rockx0zone:

meshe: oh shit...was i supposed to be running the command from somewhere else

[03:17:28]

meshe:

hmm, type: reset

[03:17:39]

sphery:

Staticwave_Ace: if you're looking for help finding the episode so you can watch it http://www.fox.com/fod/play.php?sh=house

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sphery:

Staticwave_Ace: if you're looking for help finding out why Myth only recorded 10 mins, we need more help

[03:18:01]

sphery:

I mean more info

[03:18:30]

Staticwave_Ace:

sphery: what would be useful to you?

[03:18:38]

justdave:

gbutters: aha, thanks!

[03:18:40]

sphery:

what part did it record?

[03:18:43]

sphery:

first 10mins?

[03:18:58]

rockx0zone:

meshe: im getting the same error as earlier before i restarted

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gbutters:

justdave, np

[03:19:19]

meshe:

rockx0zone: give me a moment, i'm going to try to find the command that i used

[03:19:30]

Staticwave_Ace:

sphery: right, rephrase, house recorded 35:33 of 60 minuts

[03:19:33]

Staticwave_Ace:

(sp)

[03:19:35]

wagnerrp:

sphery: the one i was using was 'xmove'

[03:19:40]

Staticwave_Ace:

the first, 35:33

[03:19:49]

wagnerrp:

looks like its been dead since 1997

[03:19:52]

wagnerrp:

only 12 years

[03:19:53]

rockx0zone:

meshe: thanks for being will to help man. you to wagnerrp.

[03:20:07]

sphery:

Staticwave_Ace: so what error message was in your backend log at 35:33 after the hour?

[03:20:39]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, well, that's not too bad compared to some of the ones I'd seen :)

[03:20:53]

wagnerrp:

'with only three episodes left'... is heroes coming to a close?

[03:21:38]

sphery:

wagnerrp: gotta make room for the new Jay Leno primetime show (5 hrs a week :)

[03:22:42]

rockx0zone:

ive never watched heroes... started watching lost and got really addicted to that tho

[03:22:49]

wagnerrp:

sphery: seems there was actually 'lbxproxy' built into older versions of X, allowing you screen-like function on low bandwidth terminals

[03:23:12]

wagnerrp:

although xpra looks promising... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpra

[03:23:45]

kaeles:

the bin/true thing didn't work :|

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Staticwave_Ace:

sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1384407 <--- repeating

[03:24:10]

Staticwave_Ace:

well, the mpeg2video and AFD error

[03:24:28]

sphery:

wagnerrp: that's cool... hadn't seen xpra

[03:24:43]

kaeles:

btw, if anyone needs it I have a mostly working nfusion transmitter file that works with the mceusb2 ir blaster, I'm assuming the code should work with any blaster.

[03:24:47]

sphery:

kaeles: you did /bin/true , right (with the initial slash)

[03:24:52]

kaeles:

correct.

[03:24:53]

wagnerrp:

sphery: fun times with wikipedia... hypertext FTW!

[03:25:21]

kaeles:

yea /bin/true and double checked to make sure true existed in the bin directory.

[03:26:02]

sphery:

hmmm... then I'm not sure what it is

[03:26:03]

kaeles:

it just keeps flashing out of the watch tv section, the videos and everything else works just fine, the tuner is in the secondary backend, which is also a frontend, would that be an issue?

[03:26:19]

sphery:

shouldn't be...

[03:26:24]

kaeles:

hmm.

[03:26:28]

at0m|c:

kaeles: does "whereis true" return anything?

[03:26:37]

sphery:

my next suggestion would be: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[03:26:40]

kaeles:

I ran the true file in the /bin/ yea

[03:27:01]

sphery:

but that's a wild guess...

[03:27:22]

sphery:

Usually if you mess up input connections, LiveTV works fine, but recordings don't

[03:27:34]

sphery:

so, if you don't get LiveTV, it's normally your channel change

[03:27:37]

kaeles:

no, the watch tv doesn't work, none of the tv stuff does.

[03:27:40]

sphery:

or your playback profile

[03:27:58]

sphery:

but if it's not those, I'd still try input connections

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kaeles:

well, the input connections, insofar as I can tell, should be correct, I haven't tried using it via coax though, only the svideo.

[03:28:38]

justdave:

hmm, running a video scan from mythweb still picks up AppleShare droppings and adds them to the database :(

[03:28:45]

kaeles:

I will try that next and see what else I can figure out, thanks agian.

[03:29:00]

Staticwave_Ace:

sphery: is that directed to me?

[03:29:14]

sphery:

Staticwave_Ace: no, that was for kaeles

[03:29:22]

justdave:

the built-in scan in mythvideo quit doing that a while back, hoped mythweb would follow suit. But maybe nobody pointed it out to the right people.

[03:29:35]

Staticwave_Ace:

sphery: ah, sorry :)

[03:29:37]

sphery:

Staticwave_Ace: didn't notice your response... looking now

[03:30:01]

sphery:

Staticwave_Ace: can you give me more context around that... Maybe 20lines before and after or so

[03:30:15]

meshe:

rockx0zone: i guess the dialog only comes up on the first install of lirc, do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc

[03:30:23]

iamlindoro:

justdave, what, .DS_share? I'd add it as a file type and tick ignore

[03:30:24]

sphery:

that looks like a preview gen or mythcommflag error

[03:30:39]

justdave:

anything in a folder named .AppleDouble

[03:30:57]

justdave:

the stuff in the folder has normal filenames, but it's the resource forks of said files, not real data

[03:31:02]

justdave:

have to ignore the entire folder

[03:31:19]

iamlindoro:

ah. Should be a simple patch, I'm sure that'd get applied

[03:31:22]

Staticwave_Ace:

sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1384410

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meshe:

smoke break, back in 5

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** justdave is still trying to come up with a way to cron a video scan so I don't have to go run a scan manually every time I add stuff **

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sphery:

Staticwave_Ace: looks like your backend restarted around 20:30 timeframe

[03:33:05]

justdave:

something I could run from the command line would be nice, but a wget to the right url in mythweb would be usable if it works. :)

[03:33:06]

wagnerrp:

justdave: snip out the relevant code, write a command line wrapper

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[03:33:11]

justdave:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

if you know what youre looking for, you can probably whip it together in ~20 minutes

[03:33:43]

justdave:

is mythweb's scan code in php?

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Staticwave_Ace:

sphery: hrmm, /var/log/messages indicates the machine was up

[03:34:05]

sphery:

Staticwave_Ace: ok, nvm... probably a preview gen, then

[03:34:12]

justdave:

I might be able to use that. I toyed with that idea using the code from MythVideo a while back, but it's all in C and I'm not a C programmer

[03:34:26]

wagnerrp:

actually its not

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iamlindoro:

Techniaclly it's in C++ :)

[03:34:29]

sphery:

but it means I didn't get enough context... can you give me from before 8:00 until just after 9:00?

[03:34:46]

wagnerrp:

and technically, its C++ with a bunch of Qt crap thrown in

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eric__:

have a dual tuner. Can't figure out how to get it use the digital input as default to record

[03:34:57]

eric__:

have hauppage 1600

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sphery:

eric__: meaning it prefers the analog input?

[03:35:14]

eric__:

yes

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wagnerrp:

toolsets can make a big difference in how the code looks and is written

[03:35:27]

justdave:

what I could figure out from it seemed to be intregrated well enough that I couldn't figure out how to liberate it to get it to run standalone. But like I said, C/C++ isn't my forte :)

[03:35:30]

sphery:

eric__: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 --the capture cards portion

[03:36:00]

sphery:

eric__: then re-create the cards then connect the inputs /in order of preference/

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sphery:

i.e. so you need to connect the digital input to its video source /before/ you connect the analog input to its video source

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wagnerrp:

justdave: i wager that 'videoscan.cpp' is a good starting point

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eric__:

thanks

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justdave:

maybe someone's already separated it logically in the code with the intention of going that direction or something. Last time I looked at this seriously it was 0.19 or something I think

[03:37:53]

Staticwave_Ace:

sphery: a note, I have two drives, 500g and 1TB, and I have a directory on each setup for recordings via the multiple recording diretories, one drive is full, could that screw something up?

[03:38:27]

sphery:

possible

[03:40:06]

justdave:

oh man, the scan code in mythweb is dirt simple. :)

[03:40:27]

Staticwave_Ace:

moving some files around...

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justdave:

comments indicate it's basically the same code from the cpp in mythvideo but ported to php. I don't remember the mythvideo stuff looking this simple when I looked at it. :)

[03:41:50]

wagnerrp:

scripts can be far far simpler than assembled code

[03:42:00]

justdave:

yeah.

[03:42:14]

wagnerrp:

but most of the additional garbage amounts to data and memory handling

[03:45:45]

justdave:

ah, I see how MythVideo is dealing with this

[03:45:52]

justdave:

it ignores anything that starts with a .

[03:46:35]

justdave:

and it's manually recursing the directories, where mythweb is asking the shell for a list of every file in the tree

[03:46:45]

justdave:

so it skips recursing directories that start with . too

[03:47:17]

kaeles:

I just tried it directly using VLC and it worked fine, but its still just flashing when I try to goto watch tv, its even using the coax, and the setup is correct in the mythtv cause its the same thing that worked in VLC...

[03:47:31]

kaeles:

or it should be correct I should say.

[03:47:52]

justdave:

MythVideo is also manually skipping files named "Thumbs.db" :)

[03:48:09]

justdave:

and the code in question is actually in filescan.cpp

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wagnerrp:

i dont seem to have one of those

[03:49:18]

justdave:

sorry, dirscan.cpp

[03:49:31]

justdave:

my memory failed me between looking at the window and switching back to irc

[03:51:41]

justdave:

heh, tacking "| grep -v '/\.'" on the end of the find command mythweb is using seems to do the job really nicely. :)

[03:52:12]

sphery:

if mythweb is using a find, just do the exclusion with it

[03:52:51]

justdave:

-not -path \*/\.\* in the find works, too

[03:52:56]

justdave:

probably a safer way to do it

[03:53:16]

sphery:

a -prune is probably better.

[03:53:19]

sphery:

where's the find?

[03:53:33]

wagnerrp:

ABC really botched tonight's Castle

[03:53:43]

wagnerrp:

they lost the digital feed

[03:53:48]

wagnerrp:

dropped back to analog for no reason

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justdave:

/var/www/mythweb/modules/video/scan.php:50

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wagnerrp:

and there have been several other blips

[03:54:03]

justdave:

exec("find -L $path -type f", $files, $retval);

[03:54:21]

iamlindoro:

Lord, is Chuck all about stunt casting now?

[03:56:10]

wagnerrp:

well it was back in HD for a couple seconds there

[03:56:21]

wagnerrp:

ill give them credit, thats a fairly clean cut between the two

[03:56:42]

sphery:

justdave: try: find -L $path -name '.*' -prune -o -type f -print

[03:57:20]

sphery:

that way, if it's a directory called .AppleJunk, it will skip over it (instead of scanning files within it)--same for .thumbs or whatever

[03:57:32]

justdave:

yep, that seems to work good. :)

[03:57:50]

sphery:

feel free to post a patch to http://svn.mythtv.org/ :)

[04:07:03]

sphery:

putting a Nissan Cube in Heroes, tonight... Good product placement or bad--when the band new car "breaks down"

[04:07:29]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, i mentioned something about that a couple hours ago

[04:07:39]

RyeBrye:

I think it broke down because of the "baby go go"

[04:07:55]

sphery:

right, but still

[04:08:14]

wagnerrp:

followed by mentioning that a japanese truck driver with a southern hick accent was... disturbing

[04:09:04]

justdave:

bug filed with patch: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6431

[04:09:23]

RyeBrye:

Heroes was better when Peter had cool power sucking ability – now he's basically a human Kirby

[04:09:56]

wagnerrp:

how did peter get partial power back? or did it just kind of happen?

[04:10:07]

sphery:

justdave: thx

[04:10:47]

RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: it just kind of happened. this season feels like being in the back seat of a teenager just driving around town... After a while it's pretty obvious they have no idea where they are going

[04:10:47]

sphery:

wagnerrp: he went and talked to Sylar, who "taught" him how to figure things out

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sphery:

but now he can only remember the last one he figured out

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wagnerrp:

only 'remember' one thing at a time... that makes a whole lot of sense

[04:11:18]

RyeBrye:

Wait – no... he went to Sylar and got that power – then he wanted to kill everyone to get all powers

[04:11:24]

sphery:

yeah

[04:11:26]

RyeBrye:

he lost his powers after that

[04:12:02]

RyeBrye:

(his dad stole them)

[04:12:07]

RyeBrye:

he got his lame power back when he injected himself

[04:12:13]

wagnerrp:

oh, right

[04:12:27]

RyeBrye:

(I just had to double check the heroes wiki to get that though)

[04:12:34]

iamlindoro:

Even the writers can't remember who has what power

[04:12:42]

iamlindoro:

and people get otehr people's powers arbitrarily

[04:12:47]

RyeBrye:

They had to do something – because he was waaaay to powerful

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RyeBrye:

They need to set an endpoint and work towards it

[04:14:37]

sphery:

oh yeah

[04:14:50]

sphery:

forgot about the shot

[04:15:18]

wagnerrp:

why is it that cop shows so often find the murder weapon?

[04:15:19]

RyeBrye:

it's ok – I did to.. until I read the wiki

[04:15:23]

justdave:

"wget -O- -q http://127.0.0.1/mythweb/video/scan" from the command line works nicely. :)

[04:15:40]

wagnerrp:

maybe its just me, but if i ever kill someone, that weapon is going into the first blast furnace i come across

[04:15:42]

sphery:

I still don't get Parkman's visions

[04:15:59]

wagnerrp:

and if i cant figure out how to gain access to one, im going down to lowes and whipping up some thermite

[04:16:11]

sphery:

I thought he was just a mind reader/manipulator

[04:16:37]

wagnerrp:

at the very least, ill get a cutting lance and melt it

[04:18:21]

sphery:

maybe he's just reading the mind of a person who sees the future...

[04:19:49]

RyeBrye:

Whenever they show the future, it's such a waste of time – because they will invariably change the future dramatically

[04:20:05]

sphery:

yeah

[04:20:45]

sphery:

and I have to wonder if they've changed the past such that what we're seeing never happened

[04:22:01]

wagnerrp:

'broadcasting live in high definition....most of the time'

[04:22:32]

wagnerrp:

here at ABC, we define the term 'usually'!

[04:22:43]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yes, disturbing

[04:22:56]

sphery:

(the truck driver)

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dmz:

ok its been a while since i used my pvr350, any 350 users here? i've built a new back-end just for recording and it works fine but no sound on anything recorded off the pvr350. i remember doing some wierd cables with the 350 sound but thought tht was only for playback, does it need to route sound somewhere else for recording?

[04:30:46]

wagnerrp:

sound should come in that nice mpeg stream off the 350

[04:31:09]

wagnerrp:

use mythtv to tune the 350 to a channel, cat /dev/video0 to a file, see if there is audio in that file

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sphery:

justdave: thanks for the credit--though you didn't need to give me credit :)

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RyeBrye:

and on the topic of heroes... this poor Caitlan girl is stuck in a dead end future the show will never reach http://heroeswiki.com/Caitlin sinc ethey abandoned the whole virus thing

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justdave:

heh

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wagnerrp:

caitlin: was she the black-eyed mexican?

[04:32:06]

wagnerrp:

or you mean the virus in the basement of that building?

[04:32:36]

wagnerrp:

oh, the one from the future

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, that irish chick

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Lexridge:

when I launch mythfrontend, the monitor drops to black when I switch menus. It's mostly fine when watching tv, but it's getting rather annoying while navigating menus. I just updated to the latest nvidia 180.44 driver, and it failed to resolve it. :(

[04:41:49]

Lexridge:

btw, after it drops to black, it always returns within 5 seconds

[04:42:20]

Lexridge:

any ideas?

[04:46:13]

sphery:

RyeBrye: yeah... it's annoying that they don't even acknowledge her--or try to explain what happens now that the future is different...

[04:46:40]

sphery:

Lexridge: drops to black?

[04:47:00]

sphery:

Lexridge: have you tried a) using the Qt theme painter instead of OpenGL theme painter

[04:47:11]

Lexridge:

sphery: yea, the monitor just drops completely to black, then comes back a few seconds later

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sphery:

b) flip flopping Composite extension settings in X config?

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sphery:

Lexridge: also, when you change the painter, make sure you restart mythfrontend

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sphery:

or just shut down mythfrontend and then restart with: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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sphery:

to test

[04:49:03]

Lexridge:

okay, lemme try that.

[04:50:10]

Lexridge:

nope, still doing it using mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

[04:50:17]

sphery:

RyeBrye: so, if Peter was too powerful, how come Sylar isn't?

[04:50:34]

iamlindoro:

Bad guy to good guy ratio

[04:50:35]

sphery:

Lexridge: that's good news--means it's not a broken OpenGL installation/configuration :)

[04:50:52]

sphery:

sylar's new toy is making me mad

[04:50:56]

RyeBrye:

sphery: peter was too powerful because he was always bound to be the most powerful around – he was more powerful than sylar

[04:50:59]

Lexridge:

great! :)

[04:51:06]

RyeBrye:

he could take powers without killing

[04:51:35]

Lexridge:

sphery: the composite extensions you mentioned.....does this refer to composite video?

[04:51:36]

sphery:

yeah, but Sylar kills a /lot/ of people, so he's got a ton of powers stocked up--he's awful powerful, now

[04:51:44]

RyeBrye:

Yep, true.

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sphery:

Lexridge: no, the composite extension in X

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Lexridge:

oh, okay. I will look at my xorg.conf file

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sphery:

Lexridge: chapter 23 of NVIDIA README

[04:53:33]

Lexridge:

sphery: BTW, this only started after I moved my 24" monitor to the left side of the main monitor, and remapped it to "Left of"

[04:53:47]

iamlindoro:

Jon Voigt is a scary dude

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sphery:

that's what Angelina said

[04:54:40]

iamlindoro:

indeed

[04:55:01]

sphery:

Lexridge: oh, then it's probably something else...

[04:55:28]

sphery:

something Xinerama-ish--like maybe sync stuff with screen 0 changing and all...

[04:55:49]

sphery:

but stuff I don't understand, myself, as I don't do dual monitor

[04:56:18]

Lexridge:

maybe I should just change it back and get used to moving the mouse off the left side to my main monitor to end up on the left monitor. I can get used to it.

[04:56:30]

Lexridge:

er, right side that is...doh

[04:56:49]

Lexridge:

see, I'm already confused and I haven't even changed it back yet. lol

[04:57:38]

Lexridge:

not using xinerama at all.....just dual X sessions.

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sphery:

it's xinerama (actually, the TwinView extension of Xinerama) if you're doing LeftOf

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wagnerrp:

two sessions? or two screens?

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Lexridge:

two screens. xinerama is not checked in nvidia-settings.

[04:59:03]

sphery:

right

[04:59:11]

sphery:

NVIDIA claims that TwinView is not Xinerama

[04:59:18]

sphery:

though it's more Xinerama than anything

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sphery:

2 X sessions means 2 separate processes that have no knowledge of one another

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Lexridge:

well, xinerama allows you to drag a windows between monitors. in this mode, I cannot do that.

[04:59:56]

sphery:

The NVIDIA GUI just likes to confuse people into thinking that they're running 2 X sessions

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Lexridge:

yes, I understand the difference between two "true" x sessions. This ways creates two Desktop directories. Desktop and Desktop1

[05:02:32]

Lexridge:

which is what I have. Also, in xinerama mode, video playback in full screen always wants to occupy both monitors.

[05:02:48]

Lexridge:

separate x sessions does not.

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Lexridge:

but back to the issues itself, it must be frontend related as it does not drop to black unless running mythfrontend. Everything else is fine....vlc, mplayer, totem...etc.

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sphery:

have you set the Xinerama settings in Myth--especially the Xinerama Screen?

[05:10:36]

sphery:

don't worry--if the settings don't apply, they won't exist in the settings section

[05:10:45]

Lexridge:

humm, interesting. I have never seen Xinerama settings in mythfrontend.

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sphery:

Under Appearance

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Lexridge:

that would explain it.

[05:11:18]

sphery:

"Display on screen"

[05:11:31]

sphery:

Run on the specified screen or spanning all screens.

[05:11:44]

sphery:

also set "Monitor Aspect Ratio"

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iamlindoro:

always showing off

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sphery:

in the "Screen settings" section of Appearance

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iamlindoro:

with his knowing things and his right answers

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sphery:

still haven't proven it's the right answer... :)

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jmonter:

hello everyone.

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jmonter:

I have a question regarding the record schedule.

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sphery:

we're waiting for the question :)

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iamlindoro:

no, that was all

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iamlindoro:

Now it's our job to keep trying until we come upon the one it is

[05:15:37]

iamlindoro:

I love this game!

[05:15:40]

jmonter:

I'm trying to setup a schedule, an there are two showings back to back.

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Lexridge:

sphery: I don't see any of those options under Setup/Appearance. "Display on Screen" is non-existent.

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jmonter:

the second one does not record because it says an early show was recorded. how do I disable that?

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sphery:

jmonter: set the duplicate check to None

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sphery:

Lexridge: if they're not there, they don't apply

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Lexridge:

okay

[05:17:25]

Lexridge:

perhaps I need to blow out this rpm and recompile mythtv like I used to.

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kormoc:

Ugh

[05:17:41]

kormoc:

Seagate drive failed *again*

[05:17:56]

** iamlindoro WD Greens kormoc **

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sphery:

kormoc: what size?

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kormoc:

500 GB

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Lexridge:

kormoc: humm, sounds like a Seagate. Bummer!

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sphery:

so far the newest one of mine to fail was a 750GB... When it gets to the 1.5TB

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sphery:

s I'll be upset

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, the *one* time I actually buy a seagate....

[05:18:37]

sphery:

knock on wood...

[05:18:51]

kormoc:

moment of weakness when buying at a store

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Lexridge:

I've had that.

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jmonter:

sphery: you mean set the schedule option to "Don't match duplicates?"

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iamlindoro:

Ever since I put 2 x 1 TB WD Greens on the back of the couch waiting for an excuse to replace a couple of Seagates left in the system, I haven't had a failure

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iamlindoro:

they're just good mojo

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kormoc:

heh

[05:20:07]

kormoc:

Now granted, I'm replacing two WD's again too, I really need to upgrade to 1t's system wide

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jmonter:

I do want it to check in previous recordings for duplicates and not record.

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sphery:

jmonter: yeah... Then it won't do duplicate checking, so it will record an episode even if (what Myth thinks is) the same episode was recorded earlier

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sphery:

iamlindoro: kind of like carrying jumper cables in your car...

[05:21:30]

iamlindoro:

Heh, or a spare tire/pump on your bike

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Guest15427:

sheesh this pvr is a mythtery to me

[05:26:32]

wagnerrp:

in mythvideo, theres a lot of calls to 'connect'

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Guest15427:

i've made a lot of mythtaakes

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iamlindoro:

apparently so is basic linux security

[05:26:45]

wagnerrp:

obviously this 'connect' is not the standard C socket connect?

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Guest15427:

and i have a mythterious problem

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you mean you dont run internet-connected applications as root?

[05:27:14]

iamlindoro:

How to su to a non-privileged user?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, only ones that have a history of exploits!

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Guest15427:

noob + mythdora + wintv-hvr-1600 with no tv playback

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Guest15427:

xine /dev/vide0 works

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Guest15427:

any tips appreciated

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sphery:

what happens when you attempt playback

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iamlindoro:

There is none, DUH

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Guest15427:

just a dark screen, returns aafter a few seconds

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wagnerrp:

i guess ill just include that whole <Qwhatever> block

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wagnerrp:

is your backend running?

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sphery:

Guest15427: analog or digital side?

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Guest15427:

how do i check the backend running

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Guest15427:

ps aux?

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wagnerrp:

did you start the backend?

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wagnerrp:

did you tell some init scripts to run the backend?

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Guest15427:

no

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wagnerrp:

then its probably not running

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sphery:

http://hostname:6544/

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wagnerrp:

i presume you have gone through mythtv-setup, and done all that?

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Guest15427:

yuppo

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sphery:

try the status page on port 6544

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wagnerrp:

theres probably a /etc/init.d/mythbackend, or something of that sort

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sphery:

if you get it, it's running

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Guest15427:

hostname:6544 is dead

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kormoc:

Guest15427, what are you running to get the video playback?

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sphery:

then it's probably not running :)

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iamlindoro:

unless you actually used hostname

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Guest15427:

[mythtv@localhost ~]$ /etc/init.d/mythbackend status

[05:32:05]

Guest15427:

mythbackend (pid 4491) is running...

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iamlindoro:

as the frontend starts and doesn't complain the backend isn't up, IMO it's safe to assume it probably is

[05:32:19]

sphery:

http://localhost:6544/

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Guest15427:

nothing there

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wagnerrp:

are you running mythbackend as root? or as mythtv?

[05:32:43]

wagnerrp:

the init scripts probably have it running as mythtv

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kormoc:

Do you have a firewall?

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iamlindoro:

Aren't you supposed to run everything as root?

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iamlindoro:

I'm pretty sure you are

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iamlindoro:

sudo $command, i think

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sphery:

well, a firewall could be blocking the status page

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, so that's what I've been doing wrong all these years eh?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Oh don't sell yourself short, you admitted just yesterday you run mythfrontend suid root ;)

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sphery:

Guest15427: ps -efw | grep mythbackend

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sphery:

and/or grep 4491

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, You win and linuxing!

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iamlindoro:

er win at

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iamlindoro:

(I fail at typering)

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akaprince:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

new nick, same username

[05:35:08]

iamlindoro:

changing the nick won't undo you starting your IRC client as root ;)

[05:35:12]

akaprince:

running as root

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iamlindoro:

(which is, as the kids say, "real bad.")

[05:35:28]

sphery:

doesn't one of the distros still do that

[05:35:29]

akaprince:

now htf did that happen

[05:35:30]

sphery:

with X

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sphery:

for a Myth distro, at least

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akaprince:

i just booted up

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do what?

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sphery:

run as root

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akaprince:

shall i shut er down

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Exherbo, because usernames are for pussies

[05:36:07]

sphery:

heh

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akaprince:

kill -9 or what?

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wagnerrp:

you should never use numbers

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wagnerrp:

and you shouldnt use a -KILL unless the program refuses to die from other means

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iamlindoro:

unless they're substituted for letters, b3c4us3 1t'$ l337.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I would be surprised to find fedora booting users as root. At least, without us mercilessly mocking them for doing so

[05:39:08]

iamlindoro:

but if you say so, I can start

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dj_ryan:

hey folks, im seeing jerky h.264 video playback on mythvideo internal player, but only some video files – some 720p mkvs are fine, but std def m4vs dont seem to be

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sphery:

I don't know if FC runs X as root... I think it runs mfe as root (or at least did not long ago).

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akaprince:

you freaking geniae... Encoder 1 is local on localhost.localdomain and is not recording.

[05:40:31]

sphery:

I was thinking some other distro just ran X and everything in it as root

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sphery:

but I don't remember

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iamlindoro:

sphery, http://www.mythdora.com/?q=node/4287

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akaprince:

oh crap still no piccy

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iamlindoro:

"Root logins are not permitted to the GUI by default in Fedora 10"

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Sounsd like they've got it right

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akaprince:

livetv still broken

[05:41:01]

iamlindoro:

Sounds

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akaprince:

new stuff to type plz

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wagnerrp:

what user is running mythbackend?

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akaprince:

checkstuff -o -p -q /video /mysterycommand { why the heck not } /secretsauce

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akaprince:

wagnerrp: no its mythtv

[05:42:19]

wagnerrp:

huh?

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akaprince:

i killed the root one & restarted with user mythtv

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** iamlindoro starts drawing on the back of his TRON poster **

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wagnerrp:

the init scripts started mythbackend under the user root?

[05:43:01]

wagnerrp:

usually they do so under the user mythtv

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sphery:

iamlindoro: don't worry... you'll find your dad before the wedding.

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akaprince:

i think so...

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RyeBrye:

hmm... new boxee alpha – has hulu back. "if you've used boxee to access Hulu in the past, with this new version you'll notice that boxee displays the hulu.com webpage before playing the video. this is thanks to a new boxee browser based on Mozilla (like Firefox)."

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RyeBrye:

interesting.

[05:43:22]

iamlindoro:

sphery, But will he be a bit of stunt casting?

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wagnerrp:

akaprince: where are you recording to?

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akaprince:

wagnerrp: i'm not sure, but when i do xine /dev/video0, it works

[05:44:50]

akaprince:

i've selected svideo1 on the HVR-1600

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wagnerrp:

how do you know where you are recording to

[05:45:03]

akaprince:

but could not find a place to set that for livetv

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wagnerrp:

you went all through mythtv-setup right?

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akaprince:

as far as a can tell

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akaprince:

many many times

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kormoc:

Did you follow the manual?

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iamlindoro:

Manu-whaaaa?

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wagnerrp:

and you put in a folder to store video to in the storage group?

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kormoc:

or the many howtos/walkthoughs?

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akaprince:

tried many walktroughs

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akaprince:

video in the storage group

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wagnerrp:

video?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: looks like they run mythbackend as root: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . .mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

what is 'video'

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sphery:

iamlindoro: can't find reference to mythfrontend, though

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I *guess* I can forgive that bit-- X + all programs would be less okay, though

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akaprince:

crw-rw----+ 1 root root 81, 0 2009-04–06 23:17 /dev/video0

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, You know, the udev is in the VDPAU, holding a Storage group, with aggressive audio buffering set to 7

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wagnerrp:

so did you put a directory to store to in the default storage group?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, the X + all I was thinking of was a minor distro, not FC/Ubuntu/Gentoo

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akaprince:

wagnerrp: let me double check, but yes

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wagnerrp:

and that directory was...?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Minimyth, maybe

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akaprince:

/storage/video and /storage/livetv

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akaprince:

iirc

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akaprince:

was i a good boy?

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wagnerrp:

hopefully you did not put those two directories in the same storage group

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I think I've said the words "mythfrontend as root" more times on the list than anyone else...

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iamlindoro:

sphery, a dubious distinction

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sphery:

iamlindoro: could be... don't remember (at all) which one, but I kind of remembered someone mentioning it

[05:49:30]

wagnerrp:

theres no reason to put two directories on the same disk in the same storage group

[05:49:46]

hachi:

2009-04–06 22:49:34.179 Error: File 'myth://10.8.0.201:6543/1007_20090406190000.mpg' missing.

[05:49:47]

akaprince:

wagnerrp: oh

[05:49:49]

wagnerrp:

what are the permissions to said folders? writable by 'mythtv'?

[05:49:57]

sphery:

wagnerrp: except if they're in separate partitions ;)

[05:49:57]

hachi:

how do I figure out where mythtv is expecting that file to be?

[05:50:00]

iamlindoro:

backend log time

[05:50:08]

sphery:

wagnerrp: though you may do it to "sort" your shows

[05:50:09]

iamlindoro:

let's cut the poop

[05:50:19]

akaprince:

yeah baby

[05:50:23]

akaprince:

lets read those logs

[05:50:29]

akaprince:

where do i sign up

[05:50:34]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro, no need for logs yet

[05:50:36]

iamlindoro:

This one's brown, and I think that's a piece of corn

[05:50:43]

wagnerrp:

/dev/video0 is only readable by root

[05:50:47]

wagnerrp:

that needs to be fixed

[05:50:49]

iamlindoro:

you must be joking

[05:50:54]

wagnerrp:

read up a bit

[05:50:58]

iamlindoro:

the logs will tell you *exactly* where it's failing

[05:51:06]

akaprince:

less -x -y -superlog -dance_around -lastyearsversion backend_tv_log_of_video_card /santaclause

[05:51:14]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, mythdora is running the backend *as* root

[05:51:30]

wagnerrp:

well thats crappy

[05:51:33]

iamlindoro:

See their init script pasted by spehry above

[05:51:35]

iamlindoro:

sphery

[05:51:39]

iamlindoro:

loggy log

[05:51:44]

wagnerrp:

yes, to the bat logs!

[05:52:14]

iamlindoro:

cat /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[05:52:19]

akaprince:

oh shuchs, i forgot the -dont-do-anything-till-i-look-left flag on the command

[05:52:21]

iamlindoro:

cut and paste to rafb.net/paste

[05:52:31]

iamlindoro:

hit the button, paste the resulting link here

[05:52:37]

akaprince:

okies

[05:52:37]

wagnerrp:

kill the mythbackend you ran manually

[05:52:43]

wagnerrp:

and start it back up with the init script

[05:52:47]

akaprince:

ok

[05:52:51]

akaprince:

as root?

[05:53:00]

wagnerrp:

actually, dont start it up

[05:53:01]

akaprince:

or as mythtv user

[05:53:05]

wagnerrp:

just paste what is currently in the logs

[05:53:09]

akaprince:

ok

[05:53:17]

akaprince:

but kill it first?

[05:53:17]

wagnerrp:

and if you start it with the init script, you have no control

[05:53:23]

wagnerrp:

its gonna do what its gonna do

[05:53:42]

wagnerrp:

chances are youre logging to terminal currently, its doing no harm but its doing no good either

[05:53:46]

akaprince:

i want to use kill -9 makes me feel oh so fluffy

[05:54:08]

iamlindoro:

Do you also swat flies with grenades?

[05:54:23]

iamlindoro:

especially when in the house?

[05:54:26]

akaprince:

rpg7s are MUCH cooler

[05:54:39]

wagnerrp:

i use a little bow and arrow, made with dental floss and tooth picks

[05:54:46]

akaprince:

kekeke

[05:55:01]

akaprince:

i can see it, like the tooth fairy in the santa clause

[05:55:08]

hachi:

the tables 'recordedprogram' and 'recorded'...

[05:55:09]

wagnerrp:

your right hand seems to be off by two characters there

[05:55:15]

hachi:

what's the delta between them?

[05:55:51]

sphery:

so if Hiro stops time but cameras are unaffected, why don't more people know he's stopping time?

[05:56:25]

wagnerrp:

how are cameras unaffected?

[05:56:28]

iamlindoro:

Because Heroes is retarded?

[05:56:29]

wagnerrp:

unless you mean the film crew?

[05:56:43]

iamlindoro:

because trying to make it make sense or not suck will only make you crosseyed?

[05:56:46]

sphery:

yeah has no effect on the film crew

[05:58:02]

sphery:

hachi: recordedprogram is program listings info about the programs you've recorded that would otherwise be lost 1 week after the show airs

[05:58:31]

hachi:

does recorded represent the shows on the filesystem that have been recorded?

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akaprince:

okay, here she is

[05:59:04]

akaprince:

http://rafb.net/p/gpwJ6573.html

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sphery:

hachi: yep

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** akaprince stares at the log **

[05:59:29]

iamlindoro:

You card as set up as the wrong card type, DONE

[05:59:45]

iamlindoro:

Hardware encoders aren't v4l card type, they're MPEG-2 card type

[05:59:58]

sphery:

hachi: but really you shouldn't be messing around with raw DB data if you don't understand how it all works

[05:59:59]

iamlindoro:

s/as/is/

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hachi:

sphery: I'm trying to answer my own question

[06:00:22]

hachi:

mythfrontend is throwing an error about missing files

[06:00:30]

hachi:

however, I'm trying to figure out where it thinks the files should be

[06:01:11]

iamlindoro:

It won't give you an absolute path, it thinks it is in any one of the dirs in the storage group on that host

[06:01:13]

tank-man:

where it thinks the files are is what the error says " can't read this file cause it doesnt exist"

[06:01:25]

hachi:

oh

[06:01:30]

hachi:

then... ugh

[06:01:33]

akaprince:

iamlindoro: i followd lotsa instructions on the hauppage and other howto sites to copy blaahblah.rom to /lib/firmware/blahblah.fw and so on and so on

[06:01:35]

hachi:

storage groups doc?

[06:01:50]

iamlindoro:

akaprince, That doesn't prevent you from having set it up as the wrong card type in mythtv-setup

[06:01:57]

iamlindoro:

which you did

[06:01:58]

hachi:

I'm trying to find that clause about what happens when a slave backend doesn't have any storage groups defined

[06:02:01]

sphery:

go to Watch Recordings, select show, hit INFO (I), get "Recording is not available" popup, select Details, see filename

[06:02:02]

hachi:

what's the fallback behavior

[06:02:25]

akaprince:

iamlindoro: how to i unfangle myself

[06:02:37]

iamlindoro:

"iamlindoro> Hardware encoders aren't v4l card type, they're MPEG-2 card type"

[06:03:21]

akaprince:

ok i think that means "reinstall your card but choose mpeg-2

[06:03:23]

sphery:

hachi: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/370317#370317

[06:03:33]

akaprince:

lemme go do daat

[06:03:34]

iamlindoro:

or just edit the existing card definition

[06:03:52]

** akaprince takes a deeeep breath and dives **

[06:03:58]

iamlindoro:

which ought to clear up at least that problem, *assuming* your card is set up properly

[06:04:14]

sphery:

hachi: in general, no one should define storage groups on remote backends--really, no one should /override/ storage groups on remote backends (because it's impossible to /define/ a storage group on a remote backend)

[06:04:37]

iamlindoro:

Then you're have this one to deal with: "Warning: You have not set an external channel changing script for a composite or s-video input. Channel changing will do nothing."

[06:04:47]

iamlindoro:

you'll

[06:04:50]

hachi:

am I supposed to always use NFS to share the storage groups to the SBE ?

[06:04:51]

tank-man:

akaprince, on the hauppauge site? they have offically support linux and have instructions?

[06:05:10]

akaprince:

yup

[06:05:39]

akaprince:

search for "can i use the hvr-1600 with linux"

[06:05:40]

sphery:

akaprince: best way to re-install your card is to select "Delete all capture cards" then redefine

[06:05:48]

akaprince:

okidoki

[06:06:00]

akaprince:

done that only about 20 times

[06:06:19]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Except all he needs to do is change the card type

[06:06:44]

sphery:

hachi: you may want to run the (legacy/not-maintained) myth.find_orphans.pl script

[06:06:44]

iamlindoro:

Then we'll find out he hasn't set up his card in linux properly and we can have more fun

[06:07:10]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, but depending on what type he changes from/to, it could leave some garbage in the DB if he just changes the existing

[06:07:17]

hachi:

to fix the existing files, yes

[06:07:21]

hachi:

but in general

[06:07:30]

hachi:

on an SBE, you say I shouldn't define storage groups

[06:07:32]

iamlindoro:

viffurl to mmmpeggtoo

[06:07:37]

sphery:

deleting it with D then re-creating would probably work, but there's the whole--inputs need to be connected in order--thing

[06:07:39]

iamlindoro:

which would be fine

[06:07:49]

hachi:

does that mean I should be using NFS to share the underlying dirs to the SBE so that they have working storage groups?

[06:08:04]

akaprince:

[root@localhost mythtv]# /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

[06:08:04]

akaprince:

Stopping mythbackend: [FAILED]

[06:08:12]

oobe:

if i do a aptitude reinstall mythtv-database i wont loose my settings or recordings will i ?

[06:08:19]

akaprince:

KILL -9 MYTHBACKEND

[06:08:23]

akaprince:

\o/

[06:08:41]

oobe:

im only asking cause for some reason mythweather wont work and the logs say its missing mythweather tables

[06:08:46]

sphery:

hachi: just means that you should have identical directory paths on all backends--i.e. if you have /srv/mythtv/recordings on the master backend, that exact same path should exist on the remote backend

[06:08:48]

hachi:

ALL IN CAPS, FOR COOL

[06:09:11]

iamlindoro:

Someone set us up the card

[06:09:19]

iamlindoro:

all your nuppelvideo are belong to us

[06:09:19]

sphery:

hachi: it makes no difference whether the filesystem that contains the /srv/mythtv/recordings directory is the same filesystem on the master and the remote backend

[06:09:24]

iamlindoro:

make your backend

[06:09:26]

sphery:

hachi: only that the path is identical on both

[06:09:34]

hachi:

sphery: ahh, so there's no way to get mythtv to push/pull the streaming video over the wire to the MBE ?

[06:09:43]

hachi:

or rather

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clever:

hachi: only pull

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hachi:

okay

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sphery:

hachi: (and, for right now--at least until 0.22, I /highly/ recommend using only a Default Storage Group (and DB Backups, if desired))

[06:10:04]

clever:

purserj: its read-only streaming, meant for frontends

[06:10:16]

hachi:

okiedokie

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sphery:

hachi: the frontends will request the file from the backend that recorded the show

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hachi:

what does an SBE do if it has no storage groups that are writable

[06:10:41]

hachi:

just bail?

[06:10:52]

sphery:

hachi: which means it makes no difference if the master backend can see the files recorded by the remote backend or vice versa

[06:10:55]

wagnerrp:

fail to record

[06:11:07]

hachi:

okay

[06:11:09]

sphery:

hachi: I have 2 dedicated backends and do /not/ have a single network mount in my entire network

[06:11:22]

jroysdon:

Where do I configure how much free storage space is kept on a storage device?

[06:11:32]

justinh:

mythtv-setup

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jroysdon:

More direction, please. I looked, didn't spot it

[06:11:56]

justinh:

and then it's only _total_ free space you can configure, it's not per SG IIRC

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jroysdon:

I only have one SG. In the Storage menu, I didn't see anything I could config other than the location

[06:12:27]

dmz:

ok, how does myth decide which input tuner to use for live tv as well as recordings? i thought it would start at tuner 1 but it keeps going to tuner 3

[06:12:40]

jroysdon:

dmz, weight the tuner

[06:12:59]

jroysdon:

My HD tuner has the default weight, and my analog tuners have weights of 2

[06:13:04]

tank-man:

dmz, by priority level

[06:13:08]

sphery:

hachi: A storage group is /just/ a logical name that maps to a list of directories. If the master backend defines a Default storage group with a list of 3 directories and the remote backend does not have access to any of those directories (i.e. they don't exist, no permissions, ...) and the remote backend does not override the list of directories associated with the "Default" storage group (name), then the remote backend can't ...

[06:13:14]

sphery:

... record--so it leaves an error in the log and gives up

[06:13:18]

sphery:

a storage group is /not/ a directory

[06:13:29]

dmz:

priority or weight? and where would each be set?

[06:13:30]

sphery:

a directory is a, er, directory

[06:13:35]

hachi:

I'm just trying to solve my setup, which is a bunch of disks in the MBE, and very little in the SBE

[06:13:35]

justinh:

ahh it must be in mythfrontend jroysdon

[06:13:41]

jroysdon:

dmz – priority, I'm thinking router speak ;-p

[06:14:10]

sphery:

dmz: don't mess with input priorities unless you read /all/ of section 12.6 of the HOWTO. (Really, though, you should read and understand all of section 12.)

[06:14:12]

hachi:

my wish, is that the videos would record to small local disks in the SBE

[06:14:18]

jroysdon:

justinh, you sure? I would have thought it would be a BE setting...

[06:14:21]

hachi:

and then be moved to the MBE after completion

[06:14:24]

sphery:

dmz: once you do, though, you'll realize that you should /never/ set the priority on any inputs

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dmz:

:)

[06:14:55]

dmz:

ok so where do i set weight?

[06:14:59]

sphery:

dmz: you need to do the capture cards portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 and then re-create the capture cards and the connect the inputs /in order of preference/

[06:15:05]

** sphery feels a sense of deja vu **

[06:15:22]

sphery:

didn't we go over this a couple hours ago?

[06:15:26]

dmz:

i thought i did, i created the 1st one i wanted to be primary, then each other one

[06:15:38]

justinh:

better yet to never even use livetv

[06:15:39]

dmz:

but it's choosing the 3rd one i setup 1st

[06:15:44]

sphery:

and you mean you "created" the 1st /input/

[06:15:55]

sphery:

because it makes no difference what order you create capture cards

[06:16:00]

sphery:

only what order you connect inputs

[06:16:01]

dmz:

hm

[06:16:37]

dmz:

i setup my master with the input i want on there, then setup a different backend with 2 tuners, but it's chooseing the 2nd backend 2nd tuner as 1st input

[06:16:53]

sphery:

I created my capture cards as 1 and 2 on the MBE and 3 and 4 on the SBE but I connected the input on 1 first, then 3, then 4, then 2. Therefore, my system uses 1, then 3, then 4, then 2

[06:16:54]

dmz:

that's why i'm confused, i thought it did the 1st input setup 1st

[06:17:03]

sphery:

(which allows me to spread out the load over my 2 backends)

[06:18:29]

justinh:

jroysdon: it IS in mythfrontend

[06:18:48]

sphery:

dmz: do me a favor and pastebin the output of: echo "SELECT * FROM capturecard; SELECT * FROM cardinput;" | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

[06:18:51]

jroysdon:

justinh, ok, thanks! Where exactly? I hate the menu systems, can't ever remember where I see things again

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sphery:

jroysdon: Extra Disk Space: Extra disk space (in Gigabytes) that you want to keep free on the recording file systems beyond what MythTV requires.

[06:21:29]

sphery:

jroysdon: in mythfrontend settings under General Settings (page 2, "General (Autoexpire)")

[06:21:34]

jroysdon:

sphery, perhaps I'm not getting into mythfrontend setup where I think I am

[06:21:50]

jroysdon:

Utilities/Setup – Setup

[06:22:01]

sphery:

in mythfrontend, Utilities/Setup|Setup|General Settings

[06:22:09]

jroysdon:

ok, there so far

[06:22:49]

jroysdon:

DB config 1/2, DB config 2/2, Audio, General, Misc

[06:22:53]

sphery:

note, also, that the value you specify is global--affects all filesystems

[06:22:57]

justinh:

utils.setup > setup > tv > general > then go NEXT to the General(Autoexpire) page .. EXTRA DISK SPACE

[06:23:12]

jroysdon:

I don't see a General(Autoexpire) page

[06:23:12]

justinh:

that's my good deed for the day/week/month/year done

[06:23:20]

justinh:

then you ain't LOOKING

[06:23:26]

dmz:

sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1384577

[06:23:27]

jroysdon:

justinh, thanks, I appreciate it, but I'm not seeing it :/

[06:23:35]

justinh:

open your damn eyes

[06:23:41]

sphery:

so, if you want to keep 500GB of a 1.5TB HDD free and you set it to 500GB and you also have a 300GB HDD with a recordings directory on it, Myth will autoexpire every single recording on the 300GB HDD

[06:24:05]

jroysdon:

I just stepped through the menus under General that I have... I don't see it

[06:24:11]

justinh:

UTILS/SETUP > SETUP > TV SETTINGS > GENERAL then it's the second page in there

[06:24:29]

jroysdon:

ok, you skipped tv settings

[06:24:36]

jroysdon:

I went from Utils/Setup to General

[06:24:51]

jroysdon:

There now, thanks

[06:24:58]

iamlindoro:

"<justinh> utils.setup > setup > tv > general > then go NEXT to the General(Autoexpire) page .. EXTRA DISK SPACE"

[06:25:08]

justinh:

I bloody well DID say TV

[06:25:11]

iamlindoro:

Doesn't look like he skipped it

[06:25:13]

justinh:

ducking muppet

[06:25:26]

jroysdon:

ffph, the menu system sucks

[06:25:31]

justinh:

MUH

[06:25:34]

justinh:

STFU

[06:25:39]

jroysdon:

too many menus buried in too many places that don't make sense

[06:25:50]

justinh:

YOU suck, because you can't follow a simple instruction

[06:25:55]

justinh:

good day

[06:26:00]

sphery:

dmz: that says that for recordings, Myth will use input JJ1 first, then RTWAP1, then RTWAP2. For LiveTV it may use the same order, or--if you marked, "Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows"--the opposite order.

[06:26:01]

jroysdon:

lol, ok, thanks for the help though, I appreciate it

[06:26:38]

sphery:

jroysdon: I forgot the TV, though...

[06:26:53]

jroysdon:

yeah, I followed your steps

[06:26:56]

jroysdon:

didn't see Justin's

[06:27:01]

jroysdon:

(or that they were slightly different)

[06:27:10]

justinh:

jroysdon: so, if you can think of a better place to put the vast amount of settings, do let people know or better yet make a patch & attach it to a new ticket, there's a dear

[06:27:12]

jroysdon:

It's all good. I just wish there was another menu method

[06:27:24]

sphery:

dmz: what order do you want Myth to use the inputs?

[06:27:26]

justinh:

rather than just bloody moaning

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dmz:

sphery ahh, that's that it is, so if i select avoid conflicts livetv starts @ rtwap2 and goes down?

[06:27:30]

jroysdon:

I'd rather just have a CLI interface ;-)'

[06:27:39]

sphery:

dmz: yep

[06:27:42]

dmz:

ahh, ok

[06:27:45]

dmz:

that's what i was missing

[06:27:45]

jroysdon:

A Cisco-esq CLI interface would be nice

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jroysdon:

With a "show run"

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dmz:

i don't ever use livetv so as long as recordigns are that order i'm happy :)

[06:28:31]

sphery:

dmz: note, also, that LiveTV will act differently if you don't select "Avoid conflicts" and you have multiple backends and at least one combined backend/frontend

[06:28:48]

sphery:

i.e. it will prefer local tuners without "Avoid conflicts"

[06:28:55]

wagnerrp:

jroysdon: there is an open socket on port 6544

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sphery:

dmz: glad you got it figured out...

[06:30:06]

jroysdon:

wagnerrp, aye, but it disconnects me ;-p

[06:30:08]

justinh:

heh. adulterated repos causing unadulterated crashing. More at 10

[06:30:20]

sphery:

sometimes the hardest part is getting everyone on the same page as far as what's desired/what's not working as desired :)

[06:30:30]

sphery:

too many different situations/rules in Myth

[06:30:36]

justinh:

just do away with the users

[06:30:40]

justinh:

easiest by far

[06:30:54]

dmz:

ok one other question, my pvr500 and pvr350 record audio at significantly different levels. very annoying when some recordings can't be heard and others are too loud

[06:30:54]

jroysdon:

Hmm, seems like a bad setting: don't delete, just move to "Deleted" group, and keep only 1gb of free space

[06:31:07]

sphery:

dmz: no way to fix that... :(

[06:31:10]

jroysdon:

(perhaps this is a MythDora 10.21 default setting, but seems bad to me, no room to do work)

[06:31:29]

dmz:

is it the card then?

[06:31:32]

jroysdon:

dmz – I get that just between different channels

[06:31:40]

justinh:

no

[06:31:49]

dmz:

myth?

[06:31:50]

justinh:

it's because you can't set audio levels per tuner

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sphery:

dmz: closest solution is a hack--run a cron job that runs an ivtv-ctrl once a minute or so that sets the volume of your PVR-350 tuner to a higher (or lower) level

[06:32:19]

dmz:

tht sux

[06:32:20]

justinh:

not that you should even _need_ to adjust the volume of analogue sources

[06:32:28]

sphery:

(PVR-350 because it's only one of 3 tuners, so 2 of 3 are set correctly by Myth)

[06:32:39]

justinh:

broadcasters shoulder most of the blame wrt audio levels

[06:33:10]

dmz:

so what sets the input level that's recorded? can't that be somehow set and normalized?

[06:33:24]

justinh:

no, the hardware encoder can't normalise it

[06:33:33]

justinh:

you can set the input level & that's it

[06:33:34]

sphery:

dmz: recording profiles set the volume level

[06:33:48]

sphery:

dmz: but the same recording profiles are used by the PVR-350 and the PVR-500

[06:33:56]

dmz:

i've done that but the different cards have differnet audio levels for same channels, same recordings

[06:34:39]

justinh:

so find out what levels you'd need to use to make them the same for the same source material, then do as sphery suggested

[06:34:45]

sphery:

dmz: right, which is why--since you can't set different volume levels for different inputs /in/ Myth--you have to use a cron job outside of myth to constantly reset the volume of the PVR-350

[06:34:53]

justinh:

only one way to find that out.... and that's to experiment

[06:35:03]

dmz:

the 350 is the level i like, the 500 is too soft

[06:35:20]

dmz:

i'll try cron but that seems annoying

[06:35:23]

justinh:

then you'd have to do it twice on the pvr500 ;)

[06:35:26]

sphery:

then turn up the volume in the profile and then use the cron job to turn down the 350

[06:35:30]

justinh:

annoying or not, it's a fact of life

[06:35:39]

dmz:

too bad you can't assign recordign profiles to inputs

[06:35:41]

sphery:

but if the volume in the profile is 90%, you likely can't turn it up without serious clipping

[06:35:54]

justinh:

too bad people still need analogue :)

[06:35:59]

sphery:

meaning that you're SOL because you can't add volume

[06:36:20]

sphery:

yeah

[06:36:20]

wagnerrp:

justinh: with the new CA modules, i hear you may be headed back there

[06:36:26]

** purserj backreads, saw that he was invoked mistakenly and moves on **

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dmz:

one day when i have $ again i'll get a digital card and see how that works

[06:36:30]

justinh:

wagnerrp: ?

[06:36:54]

justinh:

I have absolutely no interest in pay tv whatsoever

[06:37:09]

sphery:

I hope I didn't mistakenly invoke him...

[06:37:15]

wagnerrp:

well theres no need to analog cards for free tv over here either

[06:37:17]

sphery:

I have a habit of using autocomplete even when I shouldn't

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justinh:

what we have in the UK means you can't use a legitimate source of paytv with myth without a STB anyway

[06:37:39]

dmz:

thanks y'all, time for sleep

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dmz:

gotta get up in 3 hours for work

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jroysdon:

dmz – hvr1600 is $109 shipped

[06:37:57]

jroysdon:

sleep, hrm

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dmz:

that's 109 i don't have atm :)

[06:38:00]

sphery:

jroysdon: it's $49 if you get it from the right place

[06:38:02]

jroysdon:

yup

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jroysdon:

sphery, ah, cool. Mine came with the remote and stuff, probably adds a few bucks

[06:38:27]

sphery:

http://stores.channeladvisor.com/Digitalet/it . . . emid=2988369

[06:38:47]

sphery:

heh, I could easily make a nice receiver for <<< $60 :)

[06:38:47]

justinh:

so wagnerrp what about this 'new CA modules' thing then?

[06:38:58]

sphery:

Or could buy one, even :)

[06:39:06]

justinh:

or are you referring to the fact that nobody

[06:39:20]

wagnerrp:

justinh: i just heard there was something about it that made it likely they would not be usable in linux

[06:39:23]

sphery:

but, yeah, I don't think the $49 one has the remote

[06:39:39]

justinh:

duh nobody's really making tuners with CI anymore & you have to use some USB card reader & software.. which mythtv will likely never support

[06:40:36]

sphery:

so the guy who was in here talking about using a USB card read and CAM /was/ using software CAM (+patches--which explain how borked his Myth was)?

[06:40:37]

jroysdon:

sphery, and a refurb, so long as you trust the place you're buying it from... refurb + mythtv sounds like trouble to me

[06:40:43]

dmz:

so i won't get any better audio control w/the digital tuner will i?

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justinh:

nobody will really shed a tear about that since the only pay tv sources worth considering in this country have no legal reception path outside of the provider's own gear

[06:40:50]

** jroysdon hates bad/trouble hardware **

[06:40:56]

akaprince:

.

[06:40:57]

akaprince:

ok

[06:40:57]

jroysdon:

Bad enough troubleshooting software

[06:41:12]

justinh:

sphery: sounds about right

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sphery:

dmz: you'll get the audio as mixed by the network

[06:41:14]

akaprince:

i got pictuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[06:41:28]

dmz:

k, thanks

[06:41:28]

akaprince:

it was the mpeg2 card setup

[06:41:37]

akaprince:

BUT...

[06:41:46]

akaprince:

the picture is in green only

[06:41:48]

dmz:

and is there a limit to # of hvr1600/machine?

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justinh:

dmz: you don't get ANY control over the picture or audio... which doesn't mean every channel will be the same level

[06:41:52]

sphery:

jroysdon: yeah, I see refurbed electronics as being hardware that someone else did the burn-in test for me

[06:42:06]

jroysdon:

lol, and found as bad or troubleshoot

[06:42:06]

justinh:

dmz: same old same old. bus bandwidth etc... you should be fine

[06:42:11]

jroysdon:

s/troubleshoot/troublesome

[06:42:18]

sphery:

(not with LCD's or HDD's, though--electronics with no moving parts or pixels)

[06:42:18]

justinh:

if you can even find a motherboard with enough slots :P

[06:42:22]

dmz:

ok thanks, i know i couldn't mix my 350 & 500 on same machine

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jroysdon:

and/or didn't handle properly and zapped a few chips with static

[06:42:29]

justinh:

ruh?

[06:42:33]

justinh:

how come?

[06:42:42]

justinh:

driver snafus or something?

[06:42:46]

dmz:

it may have changed but 2 or so years ago they didn't play well together

[06:43:08]

justinh:

bah, that's what people said about a pvr150 and a cx88 DVB-T tuner. But I made it work :)

[06:43:43]

sphery:

dmz: even if you had another Myth backend, it would still have the same recording profiles, so it wouldn't solve the volume level issue

[06:43:45]

justinh:

around the time ivtv started making its way towards kernel inclusion tuner.ko got tangled up in things

[06:43:53]

** jroysdon has a pvr500 and hvr1600 on the same machine... a little work, but both work **

[06:43:59]

sphery:

the volume issue is only really solveable by a hack like I mentioned before

[06:44:42]

akaprince:

jroysdon: mythdora virgin with hvr1600 here :) just got my card running. but it's green only :(

[06:44:43]

justinh:

dmz: the only way to get around it properly would be to assign the 350 to a different video source from the one the 500 is assigned

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sphery:

or, if you want to go ballistic, you could write a script that uses the Perl bindings to query the upcoming recordings and only runs the PVR-350 volume reset once a new recording starts and run that script as a daemon

[06:45:11]

jroysdon:

akaprince, did you add the extra firmware package?

[06:45:16]

justinh:

then you could maybe have a recording profile for each source.. but that gets messy when you try & schedule stuff

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hachi:

if I have my MBE set to run comm flag jobs, and my SBE is set to not run them... and my SBE saves the files onto a local filesystem

[06:45:29]

akaprince:

the one on the hauppage website jroysdon ?

[06:45:46]

sphery:

justinh: but there are only 4 analog recording profiles--LiveTV, Low Quality, Default or Normal or something, and High Quality

[06:45:47]

jroysdon:

akaprince, uhm, just get it via yum. Let me get the rpm name

[06:45:54]

sphery:

justinh: and they're not per-source

[06:46:02]

sphery:

right?

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akaprince:

bless you jroysdon

[06:46:09]

justinh:

yeah you're right actually

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jroysdon:

akaprince, yum -y install cx18-firmware-20080628–1

[06:46:18]

akaprince:

okies

[06:46:22]

jroysdon:

That should be all you need

[06:46:24]

hachi:

will the MBE stream the program via mythtv protocol and rewrite it to disk locally after marking the commercials?

[06:46:24]

justinh:

don't bless him. he's a muppet. can't even read what people type in here

[06:46:37]

jroysdon:

My conflict came with adding the hvr1600 to an existing pvr500 and it renumbering things

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sphery:

hachi: stream it (to mythfrontend or another Myth-proto-aware client), yes. Write it to disk locally, no.

[06:47:03]

jroysdon:

justinh, heh, just because you can't type as fast as sphery who missed the "tv" step ;-p

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hachi:

backend to backend comm, I mean

[06:47:25]

sphery:

jroysdon: why do you think I typed it faster--because I had less to type

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hachi:

if the files are stored on an SBE, but the MBE is set to run the commercial flagging jobs

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jroysdon:

lol, well, I guess I will diff all instructions here to parse for errors ;-)

[06:47:51]

hachi:

how does the MBE fetch the video?

[06:47:59]

justinh:

heh. over 1700 lines have been removed from /dev/null

[06:48:08]

sphery:

hachi: mythcommflag can run without local files, so you can have a system running mythbackend or (if no tuners) mythjobqueue run commflag jobs for you even if it doesn't have local access to the files

[06:48:14]

justinh:

hachi: streamed, using the myth protocol

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akaprince:

jroysdon: modprobe -r cx18 & modprobe cx18 ?

[06:48:28]

hachi:

but then where does it mark the commercials?

[06:48:32]

hachi:

where is that information noted?

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sphery:

hachi: but mythtranscode requires local access, so you can only run it on a system which can see the file (through a local filesystem or a network-mounted filesystem)

[06:48:45]

justinh:

hachi: in the database, along with everything else

[06:48:49]

hachi:

oh

[06:48:50]

jroysdon:

akaprince, I don't recall, been a bit, but yes, I think I did that a few times and/or rebooted

[06:48:53]

sphery:

hachi: commercial skiplist is in the DB

[06:48:57]

justinh:

you might have heard of it

[06:48:58]

hachi:

thank you

[06:49:00]

sphery:

now justinh is typing /way/ faster than I

[06:49:10]

** justinh coffees sphery **

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sphery:

guess 2:49am is too late for me

[06:49:16]

justinh:

oof

[06:49:20]

justinh:

undo the coffee then :P

[06:49:26]

sphery:

yeah...

[06:49:28]

sphery:

don't need that now

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akaprince:

FATAL: Error inserting cx18 (/lib/modules/2.6.27.21–170.2.56.fc10.i686/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx18 /cx18.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

[06:49:47]

sphery:

I need to quit playing in here, finish the last 15 of Heroes, then go to bed...

[06:49:52]

** akaprince cries like a girl **

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jroysdon:

akaprince, uname -a

[06:50:17]

justinh:

akaprince: see dmesg. pretty straightforward. stop being a wuss :P

[06:50:24]

jroysdon:

2.6.27.19–170.2.35.fc10.x86_64 here (I've updated once at the same time I added it)

[06:50:28]

akaprince:

2.6.27.21–170.2.56.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 23 23:37:54 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

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justinh:

module compiled outside of the kernel huh

[06:50:55]

justinh:

or maybe against a different kernel

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akaprince:

how do i do a "yum undo what you fangled up"

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justinh:

or maybe you're just passing an unknown parameter to it like the error message says

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akaprince:

lemme check dmesg

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akaprince:

cx18: Unknown symbol cx2341x_ctrl_get_menu

[06:52:37]

akaprince:

cx18: Unknown symbol cx2341x_log_status

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justinh:

akaprince: so you installed something & it screwed stuff up. what were the last few things you installed or updated?

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jroysdon:

he updated the kernel beyond the 10.21 install, for one

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justinh:

it should be stated somewhere in the biggest text available that letting stuff update on a working system for no apparent reason is probably a very bad idea

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jroysdon:

MD folks will tell you not/never to update (I disagree, but do it in steps and test it)

[06:54:27]

jroysdon:

'cept if your base install doesn't work, so what to do next, yum update. I think that's what akaprince did (he said it was a virgin install)

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justinh:

hmmm I think I found a new game I could play all day long... http://bit.ly/w3G4p

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akaprince:

jroysdon can you also rafb.net/past your /etc/lircd.conf?

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akaprince:

s/past/paste/

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jroysdon:

It's still not perfected, but I used a stock one via the MD web setup

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jroysdon:

remotekey='haupgrey-g3'

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akaprince:

i have the black media center remote – that what you got too?

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jroysdon:

yup

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akaprince:

heheh ok but you use haupGREY. smart choice.

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jroysdon:

I believe someone here suggested what I use

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** jroysdon shrugs **

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jroysdon:

I think there was no good match for the black one

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akaprince:

it's actually a combo of a remote, a receiver and a blaster, and that's the trick

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akaprince:

but irrecord works for me, so with some pain, will work in the end

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akaprince:

now i'll fdisk, and start the mytdora install over with my new knowledge.

[07:00:26]

jroysdon:

I don't need the blaster myself

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jroysdon:

good luck, at least it installs rather fast

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akaprince:

yarly

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akaprince:

thanks for the help wagnerrp and iamlindoro

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akaprince:

and jroyson for finaally screwing up the distro beyond repair (hahaha)

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jroysdon:

lol, how do you blame me?

[07:02:23]

jroysdon:

I just told you the rpm you needed

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** jroysdon never said to update anything **

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akaprince:

i know, only teasing. thanks for the help man

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jroysdon:

lol, ok, but everyone can blame me for everything. I can take it

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akaprince:

YOU BROKE IT

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akaprince:

only joking :)

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jroysdon:

Yup. I made you push the buttons

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jroysdon:

You're my sock puppet

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akaprince:

well mythtical people of mythland, thanks for clearing up all my mythteries

[07:05:39]

** akaprince waves **

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akaprince:

quit

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akaprince:

ahem

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jroysdon:

Me too, time for bed

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wagnerrp:

oof....

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wagnerrp:

seems leaving my laptop unpowered in standby since last night was unwise

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wagnerrp:

although it should only be using a fraction of a watt in standby, i should have been good for several days

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hachi:

okay okay okay, getting better here

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laga:

wagnerrp: some laptops use a lot of power in SÂ§

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laga:

err, S3

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wagnerrp:

laga: i have left my laptop on for days on standby before

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wagnerrp:

its an old P3 laptop

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hachi:

okay, I have completely forgotten this

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hachi:

but apparently one of my SBE has a flash disk in it

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justinh:

all unwatched. awww

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justinh:

rofl..guy brings an 'upscaling DVD player' in the lab & tells it to output over HDMI...then cant tell the difference from svideo. meh

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bleomycin:

has anyone been able to use mythnuv2mkv.sh with hdpvr video? i cant figure out how to transcode anything from the hdpvr to lower rez/bitrate for playback on an xbox

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justinh:

bleomycin: you should probably try a newer version of ffmpeg – maybe even one built from source...http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/378041 if that's the problem you've having

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justinh:

or a newer mencoder,not ffmpeg.meh

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pbj:

Getting pretty confused about some docs about adding a SBE. Should you set the card on SBE up on MBE or SBE ? In the docs it says you'll need to install – but all cards should be configured using MBE

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

You configure a backends cards local to the hardware

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GreyFoxx:

so if you have a capture card in a slave, you run mythtv-setup on the slave to configure it

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ivor:

hmmm, sun is shining. wonder how early I can leave without anyone noticing....

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justinh:

you mean you don't keep a lifesize cardboard cutout of yourself under your desk ready for such an eventuality?

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gbee:

the revolt against Pulse audio starts here!

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justinh:

whatnow? ;-)

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gbee:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20310

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justinh:

500–2000ms delay? ffs!

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justinh:

/// Is A/V Sync destruction daemon is running on this host?

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justinh:

classic

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justinh:

what do other players do about it though?

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gbee:

live with it, apparently

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gbee:

danielk did his research, apparently the PulseAudio author says it should not be used where lag would be a bad thing

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gbee:

and he didn't think it should be enabled by default on any distro (looking at you Ubnutu)

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justinh:

like er.. every time

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justinh:

I want sound,I want it NOW.. give or take 100ms

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gbee:

basically Pulse was an experiment, it just wasn't meant to be used this way

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justinh:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

hahah nice

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justinh:

another reason to stick one to canonical

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gbee:

by hype got in the way of reality ... again

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gbee:

I'm paraphrasing and all this is second hand, so I can't vouch for the accuracy, but it fits the facts – Pulse does cause all sorts of problems and I've always said it was the wrong fix for the failings of alsa

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elg:

one of my ATSC stations renumbered their subchannels, and myth is confused. the log says something about PAT tables and to rescan my transports, which I did, but it's still confused.

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elg:

(hdhomerun)

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gbee:

elg: remove those channels then rescan

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JEDIDIAH__:

he opens another front in the Linux sound war. Just what does he expect to happen?

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GreyFoxx:

Who says he expects anything more than mythtv not working with it or finding a work around ?

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elg:

gbee: ok, doing. won't that confuse some recording schedules?

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elg:

why isn't there a place in mythtv-setup to set the program number for an ATSC channel?

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gbee:

serviceid and because it's not the sort of thing that an average user should be playing with

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gbee:

this isn't about the displayed number, it's the actual underlying channel ID which identifies it in the broadcast stream which has changed

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gbee:

and if that number changes then it may also imply a change in frequency

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ivor:

oh. oh crap.

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ivor:

"-bash: /bin/df: Input/output error"

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ivor:

oh crappity crap.

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GreyFoxx:

so much for leaving early ?:)

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gbee:

:(

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ivor:

REISERFS: Aborting journal for filesystem on sda5

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ivor:

ooohhhhhhh

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elg:

gbee: well there's lots of things in there the average user shouldn't be playing with. frequency, modulation, etc.

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ivor:

ok this is going to take a while....

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gbee:

elg: that's pretty much all legacy though and is there to allow you to find transports, it doesn't concern individual channels – you *might* need those to find a transport, but once it's been discovered the scan will find the channels, therefore the ability to modify the channel data isn't of much use

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gbee:

elg: if you really want, then just edit them directly in the database, but the recommended approach is a rescan after removing the channels which are affected (effectively they don't exist anymore, a change in serviceid is only supposed to happen when a channel identity changes)

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elg:

in theory :) how can I remove the channels without removing all the channels on that source? it took considerable tweaking to get the callsigns aligned with the other source

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elg:

so the channels that haven't changed I'd iike to not touch

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gbee:

just Menu > Delete, or press D when the channel is highlighted

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elg:

yes this source is stupid (comcast digital locals)

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elg:

ok, thanks

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elg:

i guess i misspoke earlier – not atsc, qam256

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d00gle:

DVBChan(3:/dev/dvb/adapter2/frontend0): New Params: f: 11798000 mod: 2vsb inv: a fec: 3/4hp: 3/5 lp: 3/5 bandw: a transmode: a guardi: auto hier: a polar: h msys: dvbs2 rolloff: 0.35

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d00gle:

what is mod 2vsb ?

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d00gle:

should i see QPSK or 8PSK there instead ?

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meshe:

good morning

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d00gle:

Afternoon

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meshe:

:)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: So Andrew B has not applied any of my patches, that's good to know

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flexy:

I'm using closed captions (subtitles) from dvb stream. They work, but the text comes on top of a black background. I would like not to see that black background, just the fonts overlayed to video. Is there a way to accomplish that?

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flexy:

oh, 0.21-fixes is what I'm using.

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stuarta:

ISTR there's a setting to change that

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flexy:

if there is, I can't find it.

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flexy:

one setting that seems right, but that says it's for analog captions, these should be digital. and I've tried that too, just to be sure.

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stuarta:

that's probably the one i saw....

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flexy:

stuarta: playback osd > analog closed captions > black background for analog closed captioning. I've seen and tried that too. does not work

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flexy:

I'm not having the black background on every channel/program, so I assume that the information to use the background comes from the stream?

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stuarta:

yes, i believe it does

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flexy:

is there a way to over ride the usage of the background? Easy change on the source?

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iamlindoro:

Only if you work for the broadcaster

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flexy:

iamlindoro: does the captioning come as bitmaps from dvb stream?

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flexy:

iamlindoro: cause, I can change the fonts from setup menu, to bold for example. And the fonts come little over the black background in some cases

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iamlindoro:

DVB subtitles are bitmaps

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iamlindoro:

DVB can *also* carry teletext

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flexy:

yes

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iamlindoro:

http://broadcasting.ru/pdf-standard-specifica . . . 3.v1.2.1.pdf

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** iamlindoro loves when he asks a question, answers, and then the asker acts as though he knew that **

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iamlindoro:

er he is asked

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flexy:

:)

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flexy:

I'll have to read that soon. I've just really pissed off about these subtitles, them being so big and having the black background covering so much of the picture...

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** cesman wonders if iamlindoro found the only legitimate .ru site.... ;) **

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iamlindoro:

Oh don't worry, it's almost certainly illegitimate.

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iamlindoro:

;)

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wagnerrp:

cesman: ive got a legitimate one that runs an info database for some game

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flexy:

iamlindoro: on the setup pages I mentioned before, there is this CC font: which has FreeMono.ttf and 2 other .ttf fonts. Changing this to for example to FreeSansBold.ttf changes the captions on tv show? How is this possible, if the subtitles are bitmaps?

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iamlindoro:

flexy: Read the spec

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flexy:

ok

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iamlindoro:

flexy: DVB subtitles define a region, and a background color, and a fill flag to on or off

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't *all* have to be bitmaps

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gbee:

flexy: because you have the inferior analogue style being broadcast over digital rather than DVB subtitles

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flexy:

there we go, can we over ride that background color being filled?

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flexy:

gbee: OK, now you've missed me.

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iamlindoro:

If one could, wouldn't I/we have mentioned that long ago?

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gbee:

flexy: if "playback osd > analog closed captions > black background for analog closed captioning" doesn't change it, then no, it would appear that it's not supported (yet)

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg doesn't even have a working DVB muxer, so rewriting compliant DVB streams on the fly isn't possible

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gbee:

flexy: the fix could be two lines, whatever captioning spec is being used needs adding to a list somewhere

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flexy:

gbee: yes, that does not change that. But how can I check if I have the analog closed captions? As I have assumed that I have digital ones that come from the dvb stream

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gbee:

if they change when you change the font, then they are analogue not digital

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gbee:

or analogue-style – digital are bitmaps

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** j-rod wonders if anyone has tried an epia m10k + nvidia pci card + vdpau... **

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flexy:

gbee: ok, now I got it.

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Yes, apparently works

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gbee:

i.e. the subtitles are carried within the picture data and not as a separate mpeg stream

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Assuming you can confine yourself to VDPAU-compliant video

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: what's non-compliant? wmv?

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gbee:

h.264, mpeg2

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gbee:

;)

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j-rod:

uh. those are non-compliant? :)

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Anything h.264 greater than profile 4.1, anything baseline profile, most mildly damaged streams

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iamlindoro:

not to mention a variety of containers it seems to hate

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flexy:

gbee: scan -c -a 2 shows following line with the channel I'm speaking: Discovery World (0x002d) 01: PCR == V V 0x0267 A 0x0290 (eng) TT 0x0244

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gbee:

j-rod: there are plenty of examples of both which don't work well, especially when compared to libav* ... the situation might improve but vdpau is not a magic bullet

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flexy:

gbee: I thought that the last TT 0x0244 is the stream for captions...

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j-rod:

so I'm likely better off sticking with what I've got for now

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meshe:

from everything i've read about vdpau, if you have media in a bunch of different formats you are best to build for decoding on the cpu

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gbee:

TT == Teletext, an analogue technology (well analogue in the sense that it was devised specifically for the days when TV was analogue, modern equivalent is DVB subtitles (bitmaps) and Mheg/MHP)

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wagnerrp:

ive never understood why subtitles are sent as bitmaps

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Don't get me wrong, if the source is reliably something VDPAU will handle, it should work fine

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j-rod:

so how smoothly do we fall back from vdpau to software decoding if we encounter a stream vdpau can't handle?

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wagnerrp:

j-rod: not at all

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: It has improved of late-- it'll fail out, then restart at that point with ffmpeg

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flexy:

gbee: is there a cli program like scan that shows me if I have dvb subtitles on some channel?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: oh really?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: render much better for one

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wagnerrp:

ive not noticed that happen yet

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yeah, mark added that a few weeks ago

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j-rod:

I mean, 75% of my use is just recorded mpeg2, 24% is assorted avis, mostly ffmpeg mpeg4, some h.264 in mkv

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gbee:

flexy: dvbsnoop should I'd have thought, ffmpeg too, but you'll need to read the manual for the former

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iamlindoro:

Heh, Just as I mention the DVB muxer, someone asks about finishing it on the ffmpeg dev list

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wagnerrp:

well avis will not even try to run vdpau

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flexy:

gbee: thanks, I'll do that :)

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wagnerrp:

rather, ive never seen someone mux a VDPAU compliant codec into avi

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gbee:

yeah, the fallback Mark added is for streams which start as compliant but then fail for some reason

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gbee:

it will just use ffmpeg from the start for any codec that VDPAU doesn't handle

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wagnerrp:

but improperly encoded h264 will still fail horribly?

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iamlindoro:

It's still possible to lock the GPU in some cases, and there are a load of things that render like mush on VDPAU that look perfect in ffmpeg rendering

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iamlindoro:

And not questionable stuff, just a bunch of handbrake DVD rips I've done in the past week, even

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wagnerrp:

ive got a bunch of old dvdrips i did that have too many reference frames... last i tried, VDPAU just flickered back and forth between the two nearest I-frames

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU *shouldn't* care about the reference frames any more

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iamlindoro:

which isn't to say that they'll play properly, just that it was allegedly addressed :)

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wagnerrp:

well lets go downstairs and check!

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wagnerrp:

of course those files are all mkvs too, which hast i checked caused problems of their own

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wagnerrp:

s/hast/last/

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iamlindoro:

That has improved too

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gbee:

it's not so hot with broadcast stuff which has the odd error in the stream, ffmpeg you'd never notice it, but with vdpau it becomes a blocky mess

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j-rod:

oh, phat. new ocz vertex firmware, improves random write perf by 3x...

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gbee:

more than anything that's what I'd like to see fixed

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gbee:

that and ITV HD support

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, the corruption in stuff even produced from controlled sources is painful

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iamlindoro:

ie DVD->h.264 MKV = soup

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j-rod:

yeah, so I'll just keep rockin' the dell studio hybrid

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j-rod:

'course, I need to get a fix so that Xv doesn't disappear when the fantom lvds isn't set up...

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gbee:

give it a few months and I'm reasonably sure they'll get most of the kinks worked out

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Seen the hack to fall back from textured to overlay to fix the tearing?

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: I have not... but the tearing is mostly gone w/the latest 2.7 code

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Ah, good, I'll have to try that

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: have you ever tried ripbot264 for DVD -> h.264 MKV?

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iamlindoro:

I don't use windows

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elmojo:

:)

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iamlindoro:

but it's just a libx264 frontend, no different than handbrake in that regard

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elmojo:

all my rips work fine using it and playing back via VDPAU

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elmojo:

any chance it's a muxing issue?

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: Nope

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, some of them work fine, but when it fails, it fails in style

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iamlindoro:

it's a VDPAU issue

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elmojo:

which card are you using?

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iamlindoro:

Various cards

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iamlindoro:

It's not a hardware issue

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elmojo:

8400 GS with 512MB here

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elmojo:

maybe i've just not ripped enough to hit the problem

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sphery:

iamlindoro: cool... told you that you were innocent.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, although clearly even he has no idea what's in his code

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Yay for running trunk for the sake of running trunk

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sphery:

well, anymore, you have no idea what's in -fixes, so...

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Was trying to think of exotic things that could cause it, wondering about corrupt settings table, etc.... but it sounds like he doesn't even know where the command lines are kept, let alone whether one of them is broken

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iamlindoro:

The traffic about the backport garbage on the list is getting hilarious

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, the python stuff on his latest results left me wondering.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, that's weird

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iamlindoro:

sphery: He's messed with something

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: have you been happy with VDPAU and playback of your HDPVR recordings?

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sphery:

elmojo: one out of 2 ain't bad

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elmojo:

hehe

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elmojo:

that's a bummer

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sphery:

but I should let him speak for himself.

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: It's mostly fine, except when it's not-- I just don't see VDPAU ever having the reliability and stability of software decode, so I don't intend to ever use it

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iamlindoro:

aside from poking at it in experimentation

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elmojo:

understood

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elmojo:

just trying to avoid an upgrade

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elmojo:

on a positive note the Internal player in trunk ROCKS!

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sphery:

CPU's are cheap these days...

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j-rod:

my only current vdpau capable box in my master backend, and it really doesn't need the help

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elmojo:

it's playing most everything i've thrown at it

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iamlindoro:

All my systems are fast enough to play back all my material currently, and the upcoming multithreaded improvements in both libav* and the deinterlacers renders VDPAU largely moot IMO

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sphery:

and, an upgrade may actually cost you less than running your old system--if you get a more power-efficient system (low TDP CPU with high-efficiency PSU and low wattage chipset)...

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elmojo:

agreed

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sphery:

i.e. could pay for itself in electricity savings...

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elmojo:

i'll explain that to the wife ;)

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sphery:

plus you get a new toy :)'

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jpabq:

Can VDPAU playback in timestretch mode yet? Last time I tried it was pretty awful.

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j-rod:

I want one of the new nvidia mac minis right now

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j-rod:

mac mini is far nicer looking (and more compact and quieter) than the dell studio hybrid

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sphery:

On -users list: "myth.find_orphans.pl , why did I ? sob...." Makes me feel guilty that the auto-backup functionality I've been promising forever isn't done, yet...

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elmojo:

but will the mac mini be able to handle full software decode/rendering of all the HD formats using advanced deinterlacing

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sphery:

don't they have C2D 2.6GHz or better, now?

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j-rod:

elmojo: sure, why wouldn't it?

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j-rod:

my old core duo 1.66 w/gma950 handled all mpeg2 hdtv just fine

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elmojo:

j-rod: what kind of deinterlacing were you using?

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j-rod:

don't recall

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j-rod:

current low-end mini is 2GHz core 2 duo, GeForce 9400M graphics

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elmojo:

j-rod: just asking cause i don't own anything newer than an AMD Athlon 64 3000

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: Wow, you finally got your Miniseries/multipart patch in :)

[16:41:54]

iamlindoro:

Only took..erm.. years.

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j-rod:

last time I ran a frontend w/nvidia graphics, the cpu was barely ever more than 30% busy, I think that was an athlon 64 3500 ~2+ years ago

[16:43:51]

sphery:

but H.264 definitely would put more strain on it.

[16:44:01]

j-rod:

yeah, definitely

[16:44:04]

sphery:

so for the Blu-Ray types...

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j-rod:

I don't think I had much in the way of h.264 stuff then

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sphery:

I have 0 now...

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j-rod:

I still don't have much

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: Yup. Never would have been committed if Bruce was around....

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sphery:

I'll switch to Blu-Ray when there's no premium for it--as I don't feel the premium is worth it.

[16:44:58]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: AIUI now that something has touched the scheduler he's bound to show up and rip it out and do it his way ;)

[16:45:10]

sphery:

though, interestingly enough, redbox is starting to carry Blu-Ray for the same $1/night...

[16:45:24]

iamlindoro:

Well, it didn't touch the scheduler so maybe he won't

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sphery:

So, just gotta get a Blu-Raw writer for $20 and I'll make the switch. :)

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j-rod:

the only way I'll buy a blu-ray anything right now is via a ps3 purchase

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I <3 the combo reader/writer I just got, though, well worth the (modest) price

[16:46:37]

iamlindoro:

$100 for RW or Blu ray and HD-DVD, with all HD-DVDs in the $3 range and all rippable in Linux

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iamlindoro:

RW of

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: Doing it the "right" way would have been pretty invasive in the scheduler code. That is the primary reason I did it the way I did. The scheduler scares me!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: have you dropped a BD-ROM into your 200 disc changer, yet?

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j-rod:

breifly toyed w/the idea of a blu-ray writer for yeah, $100-ish, but meh.

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: what kind of CPU are you using the play back your Bluray rips?

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sphery:

jpabq: yeah, I think--like David--that doing it "right" isn't worth it because of how unusual those multiparts tend to be for North-American users.

[16:47:44]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: given you can get the drive for $100 and then buy ~600 or so HD-DVDs in the $3–4 range, after five or six disks, you're paying less than DVD

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: Q6600, Q9650

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elmojo:

thanks

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sphery:

now if it fixed the first-half-before-the-5min-news-break thing they have over in Europe, doing it right may have been worthwhile.

[16:48:45]

sphery:

(i.e. lots of shows over there are split into 2 parts with a tiny news segment in between--and listings show all 3)

[16:49:44]

sphery:

j-rod: you found a blu-ray writer (that wrote blu-ray) for $100?

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** iamlindoro locks Anduin in his house, refuses to let him out **

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: yeah, but I don't even rent a DVD more often than once every 3 months, let alone buy one

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sphery:

as opposed to a combo driver that was BD-ROM/DVD-RW?

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Yeah, of course it's got to make sense for your use

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j-rod:

sphery: yeah, it might have been combo DVD/CD-RW, BD/HD ROM

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sphery:

I have to admit that since I found out redbox gives out a code for a free movie rental every Monday for anyone who signs up for its SMS alert (which they /only/ send on Monday and only contains the code), I only rent DVD's once a week at most. :)

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j-rod:

looks like blu-ray burners are more like $170 and up

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sphery:

j-rod: cool... I was thinking $100 for Blu-Ray writer would be much closer to the max price I'm willing to pay.

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: That would do no good, I'll stop making time guesses though

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iamlindoro:

heh

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Just start a brute-force attack to try to figure out Anduin's SSH key he uses for committing. Your CPU could probably do it in no time. :)

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sphery:

though I'm guessing--even though I've heard rumors that the server doesn't disallow them--that Anduin's isn't one of the Debian weak keys.

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*

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wagnerrp:

well it seems mkv AND formerly incompatible video now works with VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

and iamlindoro, the file i tried was main@5.1

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wagnerrp:

the defined profile is irrelevant, so long as the video stays under the limits defined by 4.1

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: exactly, the video itself must be 4.1

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wagnerrp:

well i dont know where anyone is going to get content that exceeds 4.1 specs

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wagnerrp:

unless maybe encoding output from some video game

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wagnerrp:

or some other custom render

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wagnerrp:

is there any mechanism for chapters in mythvideo?

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Anduin:

shapters?

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wagnerrp:

dvds have chapters

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iamlindoro:

Internal player uses DVD chapters

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wagnerrp:

every time i rip one, i pull out the chapter lists and put it in the resultant video file

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iamlindoro:

Not matroska ones TTBOMK though

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wagnerrp:

matroska or mp4, neither seems to work

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wagnerrp:

ive never used ogm to test that one

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iamlindoro:

I had thought about taking a look at that after the next ffmpeg sync, their MKV support has improved a lot

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iamlindoro:

although it is slow at work today...

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

https://twitter.com/iamlindoroMyth

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iamlindoro:

Swore that variable was channame, though

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sphery:

So Johnny is my new backup/restore script evangelist. :)

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wagnerrp:

google needs to scrape beirdo's logs more often

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schlazor:

iamlindoro: i like the twitter user job

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schlazor:

agree that its usefullness is somewhat dubious, but would be nice to remind me of newly available shows

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iamlindoro:

http://rafb.net/p/JhPGGI88.html

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iamlindoro:

enjoy ;)

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schlazor:

thx

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iamlindoro:

User job was: /usr/bin/twitter.pl "Finished recording %TITLE% on channel %CHANID%. Backend was %HOSTNAME%."

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, ive never actually used twitter to understand how that could be worthwhile

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that makes 2 of us

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dustybin:

that makes 3 of use

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wagnerrp:

seems i will have to continue not using twitter

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wagnerrp:

because 'twitter is over capacity. too many tweets! please wait a moment and try again.'

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sphery:

I just have myth_recent_recordings.pl run as my Miscellaneous Status Info script and it shows me everything recorded in the last 24hrs on the backend status page...

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schlazor:

well the big thing would be if you have mobile updates on you'd get an SMS whenever something gets recorded... and if you've got more than 1 person interested you wouldn't have to manage the list of people to send a message to..

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sphery:

/usr/local/bin/myth_recent_recordings.pl --recordings=-1 --hours=24 --heading '<h3>Shows Recorded Today</h3>'

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sphery:

FWIW

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sphery:

Where myth_recent_recordings.pl is in contrib

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wagnerrp:

schlazor: so why use twitter? i can mail straight to my phone, probably with less latency

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wagnerrp:

sphery: 'miscellaneous status info'?

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schlazor:

wagnerrp: you're right unless you have a lot of people interested in getting the messages

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sphery:

In mythtv-setup: Miscellaneous Status Application: External application or script that outputs extra information for inclusion in the backend status page. See contrib/misc_status_info/README

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iamlindoro:

I really don't care and don't intend to use it-- I happened across some monolithic script to do the same and was pretty sure it was possible in half a dozen lines

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iamlindoro:

just wanted to prove the point

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iamlindoro:

also irked by the long writeup on geektonic this morning about "Now you can twitter your recording status from Sage!!" like it was a great work of the century

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schlazor:

and don't want to manage the list yourself (just let those interested follow, and they can decide themselves if they want mobile updates)

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sphery:

heh, I just found a script that I wrote for Misc Status Info called myth_available_storage.pl that outputs Available Storage Used by, LiveTV, Deleted shows, Watched shows.

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schlazor:

iamlindoro: lol yeah REST apis are sooo hard

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sphery:

didn't even know I had that.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: that something done in the last week or so? its not in my local branch

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sphery:

http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/myth_available_storage.pl , if anyone is interested

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sphery:

wagnerrp: It was done prior to 0.21--which is why I now (know, thanks to you, that I) have to submit a patch to change the location of the script since kormoc rearranged all of contrib in trunk.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it's under info in trunk

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wagnerrp:

ah, found it

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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sphery:

thanks for reminding me to fix the location... :)

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GreyFoxx:

http://iamajellydoughnut.com/AT/image001.gif <<-- Bad Friday night

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wagnerrp:

where did the fire come from?

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dubstar_04:

Sambuka!!

[18:17:01]

wagnerrp:

obviously he had some liquor on his face that ignited

[18:17:04]

wagnerrp:

but what ignited it

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meshe:

it was probably a flaming shot

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sphery:

heh, I thought it was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_Dr_Pepper#Potential_dangers , but he didn't look 14-yrs old

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schlazor:

kind of wish tuner name was available to user jobs

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sphery:

you mean input name?

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schlazor:

yeah

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schlazor:

or am i blind

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sphery:

nope, it's not available...

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sphery:

just being pedantic (tuners have no names--only inputs do)

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_job

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schlazor:

yeah thats what i was looking at

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sphery:

you could get it by scraping the logs

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sphery:

though, technically, it wouldn't be the input name, but the encoder number

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schlazor:

really not that important

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sphery:

(which, I'm pretty sure is actually the input number)

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iamlindoro:

could parse that from the filename

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sphery:

filename has chanid, not input info

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sphery:

but, if you have different sources on inputs you want to distinguish, it could be used to find out which source...

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sphery:

i.e. so you could tell if it's an analog or digital recording

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schlazor:

yeah, the way i have it right now is that all broadcast recordings are digital and all subscription channels (dish net) are analog, so i don't really NEED to know what tuner recorded it, just htought it could be useful to some

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mkrufky:

oh, he probably meant Mbit

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: nope

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iamlindoro:

he quoted his transcode command line

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gbee:

must be confused

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mkrufky:

oh wow

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gbee:

either that or he's transcoding for the 150x150 screen of his mobile :)

[19:17:21]

mkrufky:

whatever... now that firewire works for me, i ACTUALLY watch live tv again

[19:17:29]

mkrufky:

no idea why i wouldnt do it with the cablebox directly

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gbee:

regression

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mkrufky:

but with muth involved, now that i can pause, i watch whatever

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mkrufky:

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iamlindoro:

So when should we expect your patches to the channel scan branch, mkrufky? ;)

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sphery:

Wow, 3rd-party Spotify clients on GNU/Linux x86 (32-bit) is supported by Spotify...

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** iamlindoro grumbles about things which are 32 bit only in this day and age **

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mkrufky:

i guess my life became too complicated lately, iamlindoro ...

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sphery:

yeah, didn't look to see if they're distributing binaries, but if it's truly an API (and no binary libs or anything), then I'd guess making it work on 64-bit wouldn't be much of a challenge

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iamlindoro:

Awwww, you know I'm just playing wih you

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mkrufky:

...but im under the impression there's no rush for any upcoming release or anything

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iamlindoro:

depends on the day

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sphery:

http://developer.spotify.com/en/libspotify/docs/

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mkrufky:

yeah i know ... but i would like to give back of course.... especially since i know thats why you helped me build that version

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sphery:

anyway, some -user wants a Myth app to use Spotify

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sphery:

Sounds to me like Hulu, with blessing from the company, though.

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Well, I can hardly hold real life against you

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sphery:

of course, for music, only, though

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mkrufky:

i think i was happier tho when i had no life and wrote linux drivers all day

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mkrufky:

lol

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iamlindoro:

sphery: so when should we expect your client, then?

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Hhe

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iamlindoro:

heh

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Once I find that I have /far/ more money than I need--and after I move to the UK, of course. :)

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iamlindoro:

Oh, is it UK?

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sphery:

TTBOMK, yes.

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iamlindoro:

ah

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sphery:

http://www.spotify.com/en/why-not-available/

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iamlindoro:

Just wasn't that interested in reading too far into it

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sphery:

um, then how are you going to be able to tell all the people in this channel why we don't have a client in Myth?

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iamlindoro:

The answer to *that* is always the same

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sphery:

iamlindoro is slacking on his world support job...

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iamlindoro:

regardless of race, creed, or color

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iamlindoro:

Because you haven't written it yet, sucka!

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sphery:

OK, maybe not UK, only--they say, "We want to connect millions of people with their favorite songs," so it would /have/ to be bigger than just the UK, right? ;)

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iamlindoro:

So has Fringe become good? I've only seen a few episodes and it was a little X-Files-y for my tastes

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iamlindoro:

Still recording it, though

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sphery:

I think the very end of the last episode had a very important detail that makes it a /lot/ more interesting

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iamlindoro:

It *is* an Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman thing so I believe there's a chance of it becoming scary good

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iamlindoro:

but It's also on Fox and with a group of largely Meh actors

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sphery:

yeah, I really haven't gotten to the point that I really like any of the actors.

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sphery:

don't know if that will happen

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sphery:

and since Fox can't be trusted with any non-animated show...

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iamlindoro:

And can't be trusted with animated ones either

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iamlindoro:

Futurama/Family Guy Sr.

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iamlindoro:

You know, before they brought in Family Guy Jr.

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

true

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sphery:

I'm still holding out hope for a return of Futurama

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sphery:

Of course, when it comes out, it may be Pastarama

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iamlindoro:

I'm still waiting for more Bananarama

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

So, speaking of hostname resolution for the Myth "IP Address" settings (backend and master backend IP), I've heard a rumor that it just works with trunk due to the Qt4 switch... Anyone played with it?

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sphery:

i.e. you could put hostname in there rather than IP

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iamlindoro:

I've heard that as well, but have not tested

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Dibblah:

It's not due directly to the QT4 switch.

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Dibblah:

There was a change that QT4 provided a non-blocking gethostbyname (ISTR)

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justinh:

hahaha wifey just asked where all the Heroes episodes have gone. wwwwwwwwwwwwhoops :)

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Dibblah:

And that was used in Myth.

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Dibblah:

WAF--

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justinh:

nah she was just wondering

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iamlindoro:

tell her they expired to make room for her soaps

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justinh:

heheh she's too savvy to fall for that

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justinh:

she knew it wasn't for a lack of hdd space

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justinh:

ruh? The Wire premiered in 2002 and yet is still only 4:3. WTF?!

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JEDIDIAH__:

Tell her it was all Sylar's fault.

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justinh:

I told her it was entirely the writers' fault :P

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iamlindoro:

Let's not forget to blame the actors

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sphery:

Dibblah: I was just wondering if it was worth updating the help text for it if that's the case.

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justinh:

iamlindoro: lame cast as before pretty much, so not much blame there

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justinh:

s/lame/same

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Yes, but I fervently believe they've actually managed to become *less good*

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JEDIDIAH__:

I dunno. Whomever came up with the baby bit should be tarred and feathered.

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justinh:

so if the end of the last season got good.. I'll never know. serves em right for sucking in the middle

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JEDIDIAH__:

there are just some places you should never try to go.

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justinh:

that said, we gave Invasion like 8 episodes before anything happened.. and we were just about screaming for more by the end. bastards

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sphery:

justinh: as always before, Heroes had a terrible ending last season

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justinh:

networks are way too knee-jerky

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sphery:

I miss Invasion.

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iamlindoro:

So is ITV just a shoddy-ass network, or what?

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iamlindoro:

Their web site is rife with typos

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justinh:

iamlindoro: totally

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sphery:

At least Tyler is on Reaper.

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sphery:

Of course, now Reaper is up for cancellation.

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justinh:

jinx!

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JEDIDIAH__:

It's TV. It was born to let you down...

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iamlindoro:

Apparently you guys got Pushing Daisies episode "Norweigans" last week

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justinh:

we should have more say

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sphery:

I actually liked Surface, too.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I heard we get the final 3 this summer.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I heard the UK gets the first of the final three on Friday

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mkrufky:

'Reaper getting cancelled already?!?

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sphery:

wow... lucky them

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justinh:

wait til you see Primeval :P

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mkrufky:

i didnt even have a chance to watch the new episodes yet

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sphery:

mkrufky: almost certain

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iamlindoro:

sphery: http://blogs.suntimes.com/tv/2009/04/pushing_ . . . cted_so.html

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mkrufky:

(they're recorded tho)

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sphery:

http://www.tv.com/story/13568.html?tag=person . . . news;title;0

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justinh:

"but it has Emma Friel in it!" :-O

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sphery:

lists 10 shows that are almost definitely gone

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iamlindoro:

including all the shows I watch except Lost. Effing awesome.

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sphery:

T:TSCC, My Name is Earl, Kings, Castle, Reaper, Dollhouse, Chuck being the ones that shouldn't die

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justinh:

what is wrong with people? looking at the outcry when series get canced it would appear that the rating system is beyond salvation

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sphery:

shouldn't, but are almost definitely gone

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SQlvpapir:

whats the absolutely easiest/laziest way to install a combined myth back+frontend? I happen to have a silent box and a total of 6 tuners and thought I would make a quick demo on the hdtv

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justinh:

SQlvpapir: pay me 10 meelion dollar

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sphery:

mythbuntu?

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bulle:

i would say mythbuntu aswell

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SQlvpapir:

justinh: you accept sqlvpapir-dollars? :D

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justinh:

I'd say LHES, cos I've gone off ubunuts big style

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justinh:

but then LHES has the viddypow backport

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justinh:

hrm

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iamlindoro:

Mythdora it is then

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justinh:

mythbuntu, then

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sphery:

iamlindoro: just so you can start to love the cast of Fringe: http://www.tv.com/story/13751.html?ref_story_ . . . f_name=story

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mkrufky:

dollhouse... thats not really fair — what do u expect if you premiere a show on friday?

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: And then air three BS non-plot-advancing episodes-- jerks

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justinh:

SQlvpapir: and erm.. define 'quick;

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sphery:

mkrufky: more on Reaper: http://www.tv.com/story/13720.html?ref_story_ . . . f_name=story

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: im still up to episode 3

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sphery:

mkrufky: Isn't the title of that show Firefly?

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SQlvpapir:

justinh: anything close to plug and play

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justinh:

SQlvpapir: mythtv isn't a one-click install even with a ready rolled distro. you still have to have CLUE

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sphery:

mkrufky: I mean, it's the show that was moved to Fridays and aired out of order by Fox, so it's Firefly, right?

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mkrufky:

ummmm, hmmm, not sure

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justinh:

SQlvpapir: and it helps to know in advance that your hardware is supported ;-)

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SQlvpapir:

justinh: I would prefer to compile from stable svn but I'll try out dora/buntu

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sphery:

So, the 2 creators and exec producers of Reaper have left the show... Bye, bye, Reaper

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SQlvpapir:

justinh: ive been running 3, possibly 4 of the tuners with linux before so there should be a good chance :)

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justinh:

is there any news on networks moving to a more reliable ratings model?

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mkrufky:

reaper was just a nice way to kill 42 minutes

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mkrufky:

i can do without it

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mkrufky:

but i liked it

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sphery:

The thing I /really/ don't get about TV is why they have shows produced by ABC Studios airing on CW and shows produced by Fox airing on NBC and ...

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justinh:

SQlvpapir: cool.. was just trying to be realistic

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sphery:

Isn't that kind of strange?

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justinh:

sphery: presumably the deals with affiliates aren't all-encompassing

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at0m|c:

cos they're all different forms of the borg?

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justinh:

AFAIK, every local station is only an affiliation with a broadcasting company.. or have I got that wrong?

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justinh:

or are they actually owned by the broadcasters?

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SQlvpapir:

bit of both?

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justinh:

I've not had much reason to care in the UK until recently ;)

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sphery:

Seems almost like one of those referrer trading schemes on the 'net... I.e. ABC Studios makes a show and /sells/ it to CW. Then ABC buys shows from other studios. And other networks do the same...

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sphery:

seems it's just a way to show more money moving around...

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justinh:

bet there are watertight deals to ensure network crud is shown no matter what, though :P

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at0m|c:

stocks aren't going on profit, but cashflow eh

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sphery:

I think profit became irrelevant before the Internet bubble, even

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justinh:

for a country of the size of the US I'd have expected ratings for some of the shows I like to be bigger. like wtf else is there to watch presuming we only see the cream of it?

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sphery:

I think the problem is that too many people are watching the for-pay garbage on cable

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justinh:

like money grows on trees eh

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sphery:

I.e. Fox News/CNN/...

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at0m|c:

a good friend's dad is scheduling shows on one of the main commercial channels here. he describes his job description in short as "finding the cheapest filling between commercials"

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justinh:

of course

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sphery:

heh

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justinh:

so, we're all in agreement. TV needs to die. Fast

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at0m|c:

bit crude way of putting it IMO, but most normal for him eh

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kormoc:

justinh, in a fire?

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justinh:

yeah why not

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kormoc:

Yay! Fiery deaths for everyone, on me!

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** iamlindoro starts the gasoline sprinkler **

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justinh:

I've said this on more than one occasion.. some of the bigger shows would be great as a collective experience like the matinees of old. would make for an easier way to kill all Lost fans if they're huddled in groups too

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** kormoc passes out shower caps **

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sphery:

wow, we get a free shower at this movie... cool.

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justinh:

muhahaha

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SQlvpapir:

hmm looks like I will have to sacrifice a tuner for another controller

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justinh:

I think I'm gonna write to More4 & ask them if they can try harder to get a better technical quality copy of the Daily Show. watching Onion video clips in mythnews looks better half the time

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Keep trying to buy those games you recommended, and Steam keeps preventing me doing so

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sphery:

iamlindoro: getting steamed, yet?

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justinh:

when web video looks better than broadcast something is amiss

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Probably more me WINEing

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sphery:

ahhh.

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sphery:

well, that's what you get for using an unsupported platform

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iamlindoro:

however, it's the purchase process, not the playing part

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iamlindoro:

so I think I'm going to buy from here at work and download at home tonight

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justinh:

cool, I won some magnetic door locks on the fleabay :)

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schlazor:

i took a WB studio tour once and they tried to explain why various studio shows ended up on other parent company networks

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, ooh?

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schlazor:

basically the studios operate completely outside of the networks until the show is bought

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, ooh, you don't need to use steam to buy them, you can just go to steampowered.com and buy them that way

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: just purchased on a supported platform, though, so I'll go home and play tonight, maybe

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schlazor:

then the network that buys it get some creative control, etc

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Yeah, just did so

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SQlvpapir:

sucky

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schlazor:

NBC somewhat famously only gets their programming from their own studios most of the time, however

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** kormoc wishes he worked at valve **

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: ISTR reading that there are some references to a linux client in steam as of late

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schlazor:

which kind of explains why their shows are generally crappier

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . on&num=1

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, aye, that'd be awesome

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, and hopefully a os x client too

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: steam + wine works?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: WINE does a passable job with lots of games, too (although it's miserable on quite a few too)

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Yeah

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: steve told me something about steam natively running on linux ... i guess thats not true ?

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kormoc:

Cedega works quite well for a fair number of them as well

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kormoc:

mkrufky, not currently at least

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mkrufky:

ok

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Heh, I just referenced that like 120 seconds ago :)

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mkrufky:

my bad, i try to make sure i am not repeating befor ei type something, but i just quickly skimmed the backlog

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iamlindoro:

anyway, yeah, there's some evidence shwoing that one might be on the way

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mkrufky:

cool

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iamlindoro:

but as of today, WINE works pretty okay with steam + a lot of its games

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mkrufky:

with which graphics hardware?

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iamlindoro:

Nvidia in my case, but have also done Intel

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iamlindoro:

I imagine ATI would be fine too

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sphery:

schlazor: I wonder if NBC's decision to get its shows only from its own studios has any relationship to NBC's being in 4th place...

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mkrufky:

hmm ok

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sphery:

so, gotta wonder how Stiletto--original airdate Apr 23, 2009--can have 15 votes for it: http://www.tv.com/smallville/show/1718/episode.html

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sphery:

Maybe that Fox reporter reviewed it...

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... Looks like one of the best adventures of all time has move to at least "Bronze" with WINE, that's good

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iamlindoro:

(The Longest Journey)

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justinh:

ahh so this will be why we're not allowed to photograph or video the police: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/vide . . . lice-assault

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mkrufky:

??? i thought stiletto was this week — more false coming attractions?

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mkrufky:

that show has been screwing over the coming attractions all year

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schlazor:

sphery: i think you're on to something there

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gbee:

justinh: makes you proud of your country

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justinh:

gbee: indeed :-\ We've been tossing an idea around at work about making some excess load for this new ISP logging scheme. it'll need supporters by the thousand, though

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gbee:

who wants to live somewhere that the police can't beat and murder innocent civilians who are just walking to/from work? Where simply photographing or filming such actions won't get you arrested as a suspected terrorist? Not I ...

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GrahamIRC:

police are much like politicians

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GrahamIRC:

you wouldn't want anyone who actually wants to be a policeman, to be a policeman

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Dibblah:

Depends. I know a decent policeman.

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justinh:

a point proved by a friend of my wife... racist cow.. who got in the police without any problems at all

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Dibblah:

There are bad ones, but there are also good ones.

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justinh:

racist & everything-o-phobic

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GrahamIRC:

of course there are

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gbee:

police are vicious attack dogs who need to be kept on a very short leash, you let them off the leash as the politicians in this country have done, then they'll trample all over the citizens

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GrahamIRC:

unfortunately there didn't seem to be any good ones stopping that bad one

[20:47:43]

GrahamIRC:

the government has gone too far intefering with people's privacy

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kormoc:

This is why I want my own private tropical island where I'm entirely in control over who's there or not, and we can live a happy life without interference...

[20:47:50]

justinh:

and who let them?

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sphery:

mkrufky: according to tv.com and according to the last few seconds of Eternal that I recorded, it's Apr 23

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GrahamIRC:

did you know that ISPs now have to retain records of your internet activity

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justinh:

we've sleepwalked into this

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GrahamIRC:

surely this is akin to recording people's phone conversations

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justinh:

GrahamIRC: yeah, been talking about helping fill their logs

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gbee:

kormoc: heh, I have the same dream

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justinh:

on a massive scale :)

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GrahamIRC:

I think everyone should TOR all traffic!

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sid3windr:

GrahamIRC: uh, it IS exactly the same as recording the data of your phone conversations yes

[20:49:05]

justinh:

GrahamIRC: nah just use all our spare bandwidth to go all over the place

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gbee:

justinh: I wish I had been asleep throughout, I envy those who slept peacefully and still do

[20:49:16]

sid3windr:

not the content.

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justinh:

flood the logs :)

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GrahamIRC:

and did you know it's also illegal now to possess photos of LEGAL sexual activities?

[20:50:03]

GrahamIRC:

our freedoms and privacy are being eroded at a frightening pace

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justinh:

not that it's much use saying that it's all our own stupid fault.. because I don't remember seeing any party who were opposed to all this stuff

[20:50:23]

justinh:

so it's not even as if a vote would've stopped it either

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GrahamIRC:

thanks to the FUD generated by terrorism – just gotta wonder who the terrorists are really

[20:50:39]

justinh:

what FUD?

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GrahamIRC:

Fear Uncertainty and Doubt

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justinh:

I know. But what FUD?

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gbee:

justinh: no party has opposed all the measures, but at least the two main opposition parties have constantly opposed the worst measures (IMHO) – e.g. the national databases, ID cards, PACE etc

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bulle:

the FUD the terrists generate i imagine, i mean, that is what they want to do, create fear

[20:51:21]

justinh:

I think it's a myth. the truth is nobody really gives a damn

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bulle:

justinh: i do !

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justinh:

gbee: and now HM Govt can veto anything the house of lords kybosh.. erm.. HELP!

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GrahamIRC:

government needs to step out of our lives, they have far too much control, they are meant to be OUR servants, but that's not what is happening

[20:52:33]

gbee:

we lived for decades with terrorists who struck frequently and with far more success that what we see now ... I can't believe how they've managed to spin the current situation to their favour

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justinh:

part of me wonders, has it always been thus?

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justinh:

but the thing is, nobody in the public has a say in these new measures taking hold, so any FUD they did or didn't succeed in generating was pointless

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justinh:

we're up to our necks in it now.. won't be too long

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gbee:

anyway, I don't need to get worked up, I'm just bideing my time ... either these bastards lose the next election and I see things change, or I'll be emigrating to the backend of nowhere

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** justinh goes back to munching on his grass **

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gbee:

even then they'll get me, what with this crap about requiring a passport to leave the country

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justinh:

yeh but that's just to get out. or get back in ;-)

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justinh:

I doubt anybody'll be keeping an eye on ex-pats. there'll be too many

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gbee:

that is until the ex-pats unite, form an army and retake their country

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GrahamIRC:

I agree with you gbee

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GrahamIRC:

not that the alternatives are great

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GrahamIRC:

as for Brown!!!

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justinh:

does the new regime have Sky? No, you say. Bugger

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kormoc:

sky.net

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justinh:

are Man U still top of the premiership in the new regime? No?! Die! Get your priorities right ;-)

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justinh:

kormoc: funny. we have a defence satellite system called Skynet now

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GrahamIRC:

he's really broken the back of this country by tying the hands of pension fund managers, making them dump shares in UK companies and causing the subsequent drop in their share prices so that they could be acquired by foreign companies – this is why our power and ports etc are owned by foreign countries

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GrahamIRC:

lol, I was talking to someone about that tonight JustinH

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GrahamIRC:

Skynet has been around years

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kormoc:

justinh, I, for one, welcome our new robotic overlords

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justinh:

even if they were being ironic I think it was a cruel parallel to draw

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justinh:

lol

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gbee:

ahh, but Brown eviscerated our armed forces, which will only play into our hands when the times comes for liberation :p

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justinh:

greetings humans.. er.. fuel cells

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GrahamIRC:

lol

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justinh:

heh then I'll have to learn to love people with IRC nicks like Neo*

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justinh:

rather than just have them on /ignore

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kormoc:

I am the Neo Neo!

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kormoc:

suck that all you single level Neos!

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GrahamIRC:

I'm gonna declare my garden an independant state

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justinh:

reminds me.. must see if the ICO has got back to me yet

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GrahamIRC:

see if we can grow it until parliament is an isolated island

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kormoc:

I'll guard it from invasion for $100 a hour

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justinh:

ummm nope. why am I not surprised?

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kormoc:

I do have a 'Run Away like a little girl' clause in all my guard contracts, btw

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GrahamIRC:

lol

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GrahamIRC:

it won't need guarding – people will want to join the new common sense state

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justinh:

gbee: seen those new govt posters around the place now.. with natty catchphrases like "if mrs Goggins hadn't reported somebody looking at the CCTV cameras, all these people would be dead now" ?

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justinh:

now _that_ I would call FUD

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kormoc:

1984 is just 25 years late

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justinh:

I've been reading Brave New World again. Meh

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kormoc:

Here's to the new boss, same as the old boss...

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justinh:

here we go.. FUD patrol.. http://boingboing.net/2009/03/24/london-cops-reach-ne.html

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justinh:

thing is, I dunno anybody who can honestly say they've paid any attention to it. maybe it's more insidious :-O

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6435 – I'm using an unofficial fork, please fix this bug

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XLV:

just to mask people going through trash cause they are starving.. now authorities will just say they are crap civil police

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I like that he calls them the "mythbuntu plus" packages

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iamlindoro:

Just what we need, garbage backports conflated by marketdroid speak

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justinh:

iamlindoro: bit like WindowsXP with Conficker. aka WindowsXP plus

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iamlindoro:

hahah

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Dibblah:

iamlindoro: I believe that can be read differently.

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Dibblah:

I am running MythBuntu.

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah: yes, you're right

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Dibblah:

I have installed Avenard's packages on it.

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justinh:

did I read the bit right about the builds not being tested because he couldn't be arsed but he released em anyway?

[21:13:02]

iamlindoro:

(Though I might argue one is no longer running mythbuntu in that case, but you are absolutely right)

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iamlindoro:

justinh: You read right :)

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Backports forward-ported to Alpha distros

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iamlindoro:

FUN!

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Dibblah:

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4789990619.html

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Dibblah:

Whups. Sorry – Wrong channel.

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justinh:

teh ultimatez0r fr0nt3nd5!!

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Dibblah:

Possibly. As long as you like QVGA resolution.

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justinh:

hmm. I might punt that in the direction of one of our IP camera designers. he likes that kind of stuff

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justinh:

I put a new prototype unit together today. have to say I want one of those. now. it's nifty+++

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justinh:

meant to be bottom of the range in the big scheme of things but guess what.. seems to work better with a more agile & easier to understand UI without complete feature bloat.. than the more expensive models

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justinh:

and it looks way nicer too

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justinh:

Dibblah: that kind of thing would make a super-nifty networked remote :)

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justinh:

remote/panel/control-thingy

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GrahamIRC:

Orbiter in LMCE speak lol

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justinh:

yeah but without the (cough)

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Dibblah:

That SoC doesn't do any of the nice codecs in hardware.

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Dibblah:

There are _much_ better options in that space.

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gbee:

don't dare close that ticket and risk being called a Nazi

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justinh:

gbee: lemme do it then. Like I care what people call me

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Dibblah:

I'm not closing it – Even though it probably is invalid.

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GrahamIRC:

you rebel!

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GrahamIRC:

you can join my independant garden state!

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justinh:

ahem.. and still be all professional about it. I mean without being outright nasty

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** kormoc dubs justinh 'HustinJ' **

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Dibblah:

I'm fairly sure it's not because it's an Avenard package – I believe it's fixed in trunk, though.

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justinh:

well, any excuse to slate somebody using unsupported backports..

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justinh:

it would still be correct, technically :)

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kormoc:

Just ask them to reproduce with -trunk or vanilla -fixes and give us a backtrace

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Dibblah:

kormoc: It's not a BT issue, but done.

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3662

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iamlindoro:

fixed/worked around in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/13881

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iamlindoro:

(Which ought to be pre-.21 AFAICT)

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iamlindoro:

Heh, he even included a screenshot of the screen with that exact setting

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iamlindoro:

*with* that setting selected and its help text showing

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iamlindoro:

And then his specific thing should be fixed in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/18266

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Dibblah:

Well? Triage the damn ticket, already :)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I should be able to test its resolution when I get home, I have a little multi-card reader I can test

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iamlindoro:

will post to the ticket if it's resolved

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sphery:

donut: cardinput table , and now you know why editing the DB directly isn't recommended. Proper way to delete channels is using the Channel Editor in mythtv-setup (hit D after highlighting the channel). Or, for a complete cleanup (and something you may want to do since the state of your DB is in question): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

in case he checks Bierdo's log

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Dibblah:

... The likelyhood of that, IMHO, is small :)

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sphery:

heh, true

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sphery:

I think he got lost while looking for headlight fluid and elbow grease so he left right after getting here.

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sphery:

(Red vs Blue season 1 reference, for those who think I'm crazy)

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iamlindoro:

You *are* crazy

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Note how Mark Knecht is making it my fault he managed to foul up the recreation of his capture devices

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sphery:

iamlindoro: missed that post

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sphery:

ah, there it is

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sphery:

had to re-get mail

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sphery:

I forgot that you're in a different time zone so your e-mail comes in 3 hours earlier than mine

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

You should have gotten it three hours ago! It *says* 3:20

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kormoc:

sphery, run login?

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sphery:

yeah, I think I did the test after creating a non-root account with su permissions

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sphery:

currently there's only a root account

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kormoc:

should still work

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kormoc:

login root should prompt for a password

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kormoc:

or ssh localhost with enable root on

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sphery:

really

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sphery:

didn't know that

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sphery:

login root sounds like a good test--and safer in case I lose power at an unfortunate point

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wilberfan:

after loving mythbuntu for a couple of years, i'm trying to get mythtv installed on my favorite distro: Sidux...

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sphery:

ahhh... my pam forbids root login/login on other than securetty

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kormoc:

ahh, huh

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wilberfan:

I did an 'apt-get install mythtv' and everything seems to have gone okay...

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sphery:

not worth changing it for the test. I'll just test after creating my user

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wilberfan:

but my mythtv-setup is failing...

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wilberfan:

the first thing i see is, "No UPnP backend found

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wilberfan:

i'm reasonably noob at this...what am i missing?

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sphery:

wilberfan: ~/.mythtv/config.xml and/or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt is either missing or they or one of the other mysql.txt files on the system is wrong

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sphery:

ideally, they would all be missing, you would run mythtv-setup /with GUI support/ and it will prompt you for the information required to create the file

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wilberfan:

how do i correct that?

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sphery:

(but due to a bug, it won't save it... When you eventually finish configuring, you'll start mythbackend, then start mythfrontend and it will ask you again and it will save the info)

[22:31:45]

wilberfan:

is mythtv-setup not the first thing I run?

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sphery:

first make sure you have X auth to start GUI clients

[22:32:01]

sphery:

then run mythtv-setup

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_Rha7_:

wilberfan, did u install & configure the mythtv backend also/first?

[22:32:26]

sphery:

in theory--unless packages do something--mythtv-setup is used to configure the backend

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wilberfan:

i did an 'apt-get install mythtv' first...and assumed that it would install everything i needed (backend and frontend)

[22:32:56]

wilberfan:

the next thing i did was run mythtv-setup

[22:33:18]

wilberfan:

(well, i added 'wilberfan' to the mythtv group (i think) and re-logged-in)

[22:36:28]

wilberfan:

testing...

[22:36:57]

sphery:

heh, I think I know why I forgot how I tested--because I never tested before because there's no way to do so with the PAM rules I have and the lack of a securetty...

[22:37:04]

kormoc:

So which wilber are you a fan of?

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wilberfan:

Ken

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

[22:38:12]

wilberfan:

what does the "No UPnP backend found" message mean? does that just mean that the backend hasn't been sucessfully setup yet?

[22:39:11]

sphery:

right,\

[22:39:16]

sphery:

then it asks you for the information to find it

[22:39:31]

sphery:

if it shuts down, it means you don't have X auth

[22:39:36]

iamlindoro:

I call dibs on the Mr. Ed Wilbur

[22:40:03]

sphery:

I love it when someone on the -users list tells me that something that I /know/ is not functional in Myth is functional.

[22:40:09]

wilberfan:

what user: and password: do i use?

[22:40:21]

wilberfan:

'mythtv' is the default values

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sphery:

whatever one you used for the database user

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sphery:

i.e. if you ran the mc.sql that Myth gives, it's mythtv/mythtv

[22:41:00]

wilberfan:

those don't work. how do i give X auth?

[22:41:16]

sphery:

if your package did some crazy stuff like creating some orther user/passwd, you'll have to ask others using those packages how the packages do it

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sphery:

If you see a GUI you have X auth

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wilberfan:

i do get the blue gui screen, yes...

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sphery:

if not--if you get an error in the console and the program quits, you don't

[22:42:22]

wilberfan:

Does the "Cannot login to database" message imply that i've got the user and pswd wrong?

[22:42:30]

wilberfan:

or could there be more wrong than that?

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iamlindoro:

not only does it imply it, it outright says so

[22:42:50]

wilberfan:

is there a way to reset user and pswd?

[22:43:11]

wilberfan:

is it possible that there's something that didn't get installed?

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sphery:

username/passwd are either wrong or username/passwd aren't allowed from this host

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wilberfan:

the backend and frontend will be the same box

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zavex:

looks like the acer hornet is actually the acer AspireRevo http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/07/acer-launc . . . -aspirerevo/

[22:45:45]

iamlindoro:

Nice, WHEREIBUY?

[22:46:00]

iamlindoro:

She's pretty sexy lookin too

[22:46:15]

zavex:

yeah, i like alot better than the purple looking thing

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kormoc:

late q2 means like hjune

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kormoc:

*june

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sphery:

I got a mailer announcing that a few days ago

[22:46:38]

iamlindoro:

Heh, Mum on the release date

[22:46:47]

iamlindoro:

Why do companies not know what "launch" means?

[22:47:01]

iamlindoro:

Do you launch the space shuttle from the hangar?

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kormoc:

YES!

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iamlindoro:

only once, though :)

[22:48:40]

sphery:

hmmm... maybe not. Don't know where i saw that.

[22:49:45]

kormoc:

I like believing that there's a little poof of smoke on the disk plater every time I delete a file

[22:50:28]

sphery:

I have a HDD that makes nice clicking sounds every time I delete a file (or read a file)

[22:51:17]

iamlindoro:

Those aren't clicks, they're the sound of the bits being transferred to an alternate universe

[22:51:17]

sphery:

stupid thing won't fail, though, so I'm still using it

[22:51:25]

sphery:

wow

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gbee:

quantum storage?

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sphery:

I thought Quantum went out of busines in the 90's

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kormoc:

Drive of holding?

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sphery:

got bought by Maxtor or something :)

[22:52:40]

iamlindoro:

Quantum leap storage

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tgm4883:

interesting, what kind of bandwidth do you get with that?

[22:52:50]

iamlindoro:

it's a platter full of microscopic Scott Bakulas

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iamlindoro:

Built on Einsteins late theory of Bakulosity

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GrahamIRC:

*shudder*

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sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxtor#Quantum_h . . . _acquisition

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sphery:

"late theory of Bakulosity" because it's now dead?

[22:54:22]

iamlindoro:

just that it's one of the later theories

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iamlindoro:

before the aliens took him

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eric__:

I deleted my video inputs and sources so that I could start from scratch and now I can't watch tv

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kormoc:

eric__, you could, say, try adding them back in?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: now you're not the only one getting blamed :)

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eric__:

I did

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iamlindoro:

sphery, lately it's been overtaken by the Bartowski drive

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wilberfan:

is 'localhost' usable as the DBHostHame? or should it be 127.0.0.1?

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eric__:

is that like the Carmichael drive?

[22:55:57]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I thought that one was going to be cancelled?

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kormoc:

wilberfan, depends on your my.cnf

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sphery:

wilberfan: no hostnames, use IP addresses

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wilberfan:

let me see if it works if i change that... brb

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sphery:

wilberfan: but if you have more than one box with myth applications, you shouldn't use 127.0.0.1

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sphery:

wonder if that was fast enought

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wilberfan:

is mythtv-setup run as root, or as user?

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iamlindoro:

eric__, Yes, it's a product of Intersect Electronic Holdings, LLC

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sphery:

wilberfan: as the same user that runs mythbackend

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iamlindoro:

a subsidiary of the Orion Corp

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wilberfan:

sphery, thanks for holding my hand through this... being a noob is hellish sometimes!

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wilberfan:

;)

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sphery:

eric__: make sure you have a valid starting channel for all your inputs

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wilberfan:

damn. "cannot login to database"

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sphery:

wilberfan: try from the console: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

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sphery:

change mythtv to whatever username you want to use

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sphery:

(and, yes, the lack of a space after -u is correct)

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eric__:

sphery: that's probably why. Will know after mythdatabasefill

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wilberfan:

no password or lack of password works...

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sphery:

once you find a username/password that works, then try it in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

then that's your password :)

[23:00:39]

wilberfan:

i've run dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common and mythtv:mythtv is the userid and password

[23:01:17]

wilberfan:

i've also run dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database with root:[blank]

[23:01:25]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Is there any word on when your patches and ttvdb will be committed? I have made good headway on my new script's documentation (wiki pages) and I wanted to remove those patches as an installation requirement.

[23:02:01]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, Anduin had expected to get to it soon, but I think real life committments have slowed him down a bit. I am still holding out for it to be soon, though

[23:02:48]

RDV_Linux:

np, I used the same patch documentation as for ttvdb so biggie.

[23:02:55]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, I just don't have a firm answer for you, I'm sorry

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wilberfan:

could i have added myself to the mythtv group incorrectly??

[23:03:07]

iamlindoro:

I'm sure it won't be that long :)

[23:03:53]

wilberfan:

does this mean that the userid:password is incorrect: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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at0m|c:

wilberfan: check mysql logs..

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wilberfan:

where are those kept?

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at0m|c:

not on my nix machine here, but from memory: /var/log/mysql/error.log

[23:05:28]

at0m|c:

use tab-completion after /var/log/mysql

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wilberfan:

well, i don't even have a mysql directory in /var/log/... is that significant?

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at0m|c:

bbl

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sphery:

Heh, so hostname resolution works in -fixes... I read it on -users list, so it must be true.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Whee, in that case all SORTS of neat thigns are true

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iamlindoro:

sphery, should I be anticipating a thrilling response with code citations?

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wilberfan:

how can i tell if mysql is running?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: nope... I'll just learn from the post and be happy to know more than I previously did

[23:28:05]

iamlindoro:

sphery, If you say so... future readers will be poorer for it though :)

[23:29:28]

sphery:

well, as he's already doing something that doesn't work, there's no way I can prove it doesn't work...

[23:36:08]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I'm betting the guy thinks the unique ID that he set to his hostname is "using the hostname"

[23:36:40]

iamlindoro:

Was thinking that or he was thinking of using the dbhostname in mysql.txt

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sphery:

that could be

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sphery:

or perhaps his 2 systems are in separate domains but they both have the same hostname... i.e. hostname 192 in domains 168.0.1 and 168.0.2?

[23:40:37]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: did you notice the change log for the new nvidia beta driver 185.19 release yesterday

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elmojo:

"Fix VDPAU to eliminate some cases of GPU hangs when decoding H.264 video on G84, G86, G92, G94, G96, or GT200 GPUs, and supplying a DPB missing some reference frames."

[23:41:18]

elmojo:

wonder if that would fix your VDPAU for your DVD rips

[23:41:40]

elmojo:

interesting that it doesn't mention hangs on the G98 which is what I'm using

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, Those issues are secondary to it being extremely unforgiving of breakage in streams-- as we have all been mentioning, it's great for a controlled stream, but not well suited to the variability of broadcast

[23:45:49]

sphery:

and, when you don't need it...

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elmojo:

you referring to corrupt MPEG-2 recordings using capture cards?

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU just isn't a panacea, it'll never be a silver bullet-- it's fantastic for staving off an upgrade or if all you're going to do is watch DVDs and blu ray material. But if you are doing encodes, watching broadcast sources, or have a moderately recent computer, software decode will always be the better choice

[23:46:29]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, I'm referring to broadcast material regardless of codec

[23:46:37]

elmojo:

sure

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iamlindoro:

digital capture is by its nature imperfect, and VDPAU can't deal

[23:47:11]

elmojo:

i don't disagree that people are having issues

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elmojo:

my experience has been much better it seems than others

[23:48:38]

elmojo:

i recently had an HD capture card go bad and before I removed it some of my recordings were significantly corrupted and VDPAU seemed to handle them OK

[23:48:47]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, VDPAU is showing up at a moment when it's about to be rendered more or less moot on any modern system

[23:49:09]

iamlindoro:

no matter what you do, it will *always* only support the codecs it does, the profiles it does, and the bitrate tolerances it does

[23:49:26]

elmojo:

agreed

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iamlindoro:

compare that with software decode, which I can upgrade by resyncing myth with upstream ffmpeg

[23:49:38]

iamlindoro:

which will support any codec, bitrate, and profile I want

[23:49:57]

elmojo:

but it would be nice to have a cheap, low-power ION platform

[23:50:02]

iamlindoro:

and which has multithreading patches nearly done which produce performance on multi-core systems that makes hardware accel a waste of time

[23:50:21]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, Nice if all you care about is playing the material within the narrow tolerances of VDPAU

[23:50:24]

sphery:

elmojo: IMHO, the best low-power frontend is the one you shut down when it's not in use

[23:50:33]

elmojo:

true

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elmojo:

probably should just build some uATX frontends and be done with it

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at0m|c:

elmojo: seen http://beagleboard.org/ ?

[23:51:14]

elmojo:

no

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sphery:

elmojo: and--unless you way /waaaaayyyyy/ too much TV--the difference between even a 150W "gas guzzler" and a 30W ION for the couple hours a day you're actually watching TV isn't much

[23:52:13]

elmojo:

i only watch an hour or two a night

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sphery:

oh, and I'll bet most people don't actually have any clue how much their C2D/Athlon X2/... "gas guzzlers" are actually using.

[23:52:29]

elmojo:

i was more interested in it being cheap, small and silent

[23:52:31]

meshe:

there are stats someone posted in -users where the new mac mini is only burning 30W while doing 1080i

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sphery:

i.e. not as much as you'd think just looking at the numbers

[23:52:50]

wilberfan:

can anyone walk me through how to connect to my $%^% database? i throw myself on the mercy of the court!

[23:52:59]

at0m|c:

elmojo: "USB-powered Beagle Board is a low-cost, fan-less single board computer..."

[23:53:27]

sid3windr:

at0m|c: you mean cheap, small and silent?!

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sid3windr:

:]

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elmojo:

at0m|c: i doubt that's going to handle HD content very well

[23:53:55]

at0m|c:

sid3windr: how would you guess!? :]

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at0m|c:

elmojo: then you didnt read that link

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sphery:

did anyone ever get Myth to compile for the Beagle (or ARM in general--it is ARM, right?)?

[23:55:33]

elmojo:

i think i'm going to hook up my kill-a-watt to my SFF frontend that has an Athlon64 3200 in it

[23:55:57]

sphery:

yeah, definitely worth testing

[23:56:18]

sphery:

elmojo: and test for a couple hours at near-idle and for a couple hours under load (i.e. with BOINC or something)

[23:56:32]

sphery:

I've been doing 24–48hrs for each test on my systems

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elmojo:

ok

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elmojo:

i'll let you know what i find

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sphery:

and note that a good PSU makes a /huge/ difference...

[23:56:54]

elmojo:

have to wait till later tonight

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/371460#371460 for some of my test results

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sphery:

with an old (pre-energy-efficiency) system.

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sphery:

and that 151W under load (with good PSU) is the system that uses more power than any of my 8 that are in frequent use

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