Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, April 4th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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RDV_Linux:

That is so close to mine. Are you running compiz-fusion?

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abarber:

heron

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, no

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RDV_Linux:

I will try without compiz-fusion to see if that makes a difference. I saw this same issue with the 180.37 driver so I doubt that is the issue.

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jamiem:

my office is such a tip :(

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abarber:

J-e-f-f-A: how does lircd start?

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: Are you getting an error message such as "Connection refused"?

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abarber:

when i run irw, yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: Well, on fedora – I can start it with /sbin/service lirc start --- but not sure about Ubuntu/heron — others here would probably know though... ;-)

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jamiem:

/etc/init.d/lirc[d]

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abarber:

for 2 years, it automatically was available

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abarber:

this is bizarre

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: Did you do updates?

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abarber:

not recently

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jamiem:

abarber: is there anything in /etc/default for lirc[d]

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abarber:

nope

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abarber:

just 2 mythtv files

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: I just googled and found a thread from last year about lirc on Ubuntu broken after an update – I don't know how much will be of assistance – but perhaps the troubleshooting steps they took would... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=815178

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abarber:

thanks, i'll check it out

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tank-man:

offtopic question, does ubuntu have frequent broken packages

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tank-man:

not mythtv specific

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** J-e-f-f-A doesn't know, he's a Fedora man... ;-) **

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tank-man:

seems like apt-get sounds awesome excpet for bad package maintainers

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abarber:

J-e-f-f-A: this seemed odd...

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abarber:

$ /etc/init.d/lirc restart

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abarber:

open: Permission denied

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abarber:

* Stopping remote control daemon(s): LIRC open: Permission denied

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abarber:

[fail]

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abarber:

open: Permission denied

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abarber:

* Loading LIRC modules open: Permission denied

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abarber:

[ OK ]

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abarber:

open: Permission denied

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o kormoc

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iamlindoro__:

cough

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** kormoc eyes abarber **

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iamlindoro__:

pastebinnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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iamlindoro__:

and sudo

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abarber:

sorry guys

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Mode for #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc : -o kormoc

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abarber:

even with sudo

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abarber:

i got a fail

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abarber:

is that standard?

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: same errors, even with sudo?

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iamlindoro__:

but no permission denied

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abarber:

yeah

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iamlindoro__:

and no, not standard

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abarber:

* Stopping remote control daemon(s): LIRC [fail]

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abarber:

* Loading LIRC modules [ OK ]

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abarber:

* Starting remote control daemon(s) : LIRC

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iamlindoro__:

jesus dude

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abarber:

3 lines is okay, right?

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iamlindoro__:

not on the tail of having flooded the channel, you might want to err on the side of pastebin

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^ I don't see an error...

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abarber:

fair enough

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abarber:

i thought the word [fail] was not good

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tank-man:

it says "OK"

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tank-man:

look to the left of "fail"

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: 'fail' on stopping – since it wasn't running already. (you did a 'restart')

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tank-man:

it says stoppping failed, was it running before?

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abarber:

*facepalm*

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abarber:

okay, so irw should work now, right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: So... lircd is running now – does IRW show the keypresses?

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abarber:

do i have to use a specific device, or will "iew" suffice?

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abarber:

irw

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J-e-f-f-A:

irw will work fine — connects to the lircd daemon via tcp/ip

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abarber:

omg, you're gonna love this

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abarber:

connection refused

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kormoc:

You lie... I don't love that

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: Ok, just for giggles, try it as 'sudo' and see if it works.

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abarber:

lol, nope

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abarber:

so lircd is running and irw STILL doesn't work

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abarber:

a first?

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tank-man:

is lircd loading the right config file?

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

why would that be a first?

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abarber:

i thought irw would have to work if lircd was working

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tank-man:

first step to see if it recieves signals is to try to run mode2 i believe

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kormoc:

Is there such a thing as absolutes?

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J-e-f-f-A:

looks like there's a file called /etc/lirc/hardware.conf on Ubuntu as well — maybe that needs some love?

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abarber:

i was just looking at that

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abarber:

i opened up all my conf files

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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kormoc:

all?

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abarber:

not literally

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abarber:

all having to do with lirc

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abarber:

J-e-f-f-A: i think you did it

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abarber:

i see some falses that should be trues

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarber: don't blame me!!!! ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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abarber:

do you have this file?

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abarber:

i'd like to see an example

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abarber:

for comparison purposes

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J-e-f-f-A:

nope – doesn't exist on fedora — there are examples on that forum message link I posted earlier though.

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tank-man:

i have 3 files releated to lirc, one is to load the kernel module, one to run lircd, one to run irexec

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abarber:

tank-man: what are they called?

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tank-man:

i put one line to run lircd in my rc.local startup file and loaded irexec thru kde's autostart

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tank-man:

in total, the commands are i use are : 1) /sbin/modprobe lirc_i2c 2) /usr/local/sbin/lircd -d /dev/lirc/0 3) irexec ~/.lircrc

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iamlindoro__:

People are so dang convinced that the cable co has little switches to turn on and off single ports for individual people

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iamlindoro__:

Jesus, PEOPLE

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iamlindoro__:

"Muhhhhhh, but they COULD spy on me and see I'm using firewire and turn it off, whinnnnnnneeeeeeee"

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jamiem:

is there a .pl for "find programmes where file is missing" ?

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iamlindoro__:

myth.find_orphans.pl

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jamiem:

hmm

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jamiem:

whereis?

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iamlindoro__:

in the source, in contrib, or wherever your packager decides that stuff goes

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jamiem:

neers

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jamiem:

jamie@asok:/usr/share/mythtv$ find . -name *orphan*

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jamiem:

jamie@asok:/usr/share/mythtv$

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jamiem:

:(

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iamlindoro__:

use the sourec, luke!

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iamlindoro__:

and the source too

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jamiem:

OOH OOH FOUND IT

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jamiem:

722 valid recordings, 1 missing recording not fixed, check above is valid and use --dodbdelete to fix

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jamiem:

:O

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jamiem:

714 orphaned thumbnails with no corresponding recording wtfunk

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** jamiem deletes them **

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iamlindoro__:

It's the weeeeeeekend

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iamlindoro__:

Wonder if my MythVideo-y goodness will go in this weekend

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jamiem:

we can but hope

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jamiem:

iamlindoro__: these perl scripts are not run by default at all?

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iamlindoro__:

no, nor should they be

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jamiem:

iamlindoro__: you're abouts to say "I can't speak for your distro"

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jamiem:

:)

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jamiem:

a weekly cronjob reporting might be fun, though

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iamlindoro__:

They'll pick up anything else that it doesn't recognize that you put there

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jamiem:

yes

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iamlindoro__:

Many a DB backup, backup copy of a file, etc. has been lost

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jamiem:

unknown file [2.7MB]: /home/mythtv/storage/dbbackups/mythtv-1214–20081114230538.sql.gz

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jamiem:

like that

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iamlindoro__:

yes

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jamiem:

iamlindoro__: I didn't suggest for a minutes to do --*delete*

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jamiem:

I just meant report

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iamlindoro__:

jamiem, The truth is a user that "just leaves it alone and lets it work" should never even need to run it

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** jamiem has fixed his orphans **

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iamlindoro__:

it's only the tweakers that would ever need it

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jamiem:

granted.

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iamlindoro__:

so feel free to cron it, but it just doesn't make much sense as a default for the masses

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iamlindoro__:

but hey, distros can do what they like :)

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jamiem:

"ORDER BY channum+0.0;"

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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iamlindoro__:

SELECT * FROM RECORDEDPROGRAM WHERE TITLE LIKE "%PORNO%";

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jamiem:

The Sopornos

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wagnerrp:

orphans should be fixed... if their parents managed to get themselves killed, it will be like natural selection after the fact

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jamiem:

rebuilding these .pngs is not mean feat for my little 3200+

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jamiem:

s/not/no/

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jamiem:

but: hooray! Three PATA drives out. One SATA drive in!

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wombo:

sphery, Yeah Mythbuntu is currently still tracking trunk. But their where problems with the build but it was fixed last weekend.

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wagnerrp:

that firewire thread just... keeps... going....

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jamiem:

wagnerrp: like the one buffer was empty when the other was full?

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** jamiem took iamlindoro__'s advice **

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wagnerrp:

jamiem: huh?

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iamlindoro__:

wagnerrp, Because people are morons who think the cable company camps outside our house and watches what you are watching and via what port

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sphery:

wombo: oh, so they have current trunk in the repo, now?

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wagnerrp:

was that like an optimist/pessimist joke? one programmer sees the buffer half empty, the other half full

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jamiem:

wagnerrp: I wish.

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** jamiem has broken something :( **

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** kormoc has decided that people are insane **

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gbutters:

sphery yes built this morning

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sphery:

wow, how very timely

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i watched that Life On Mars episode again

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wagnerrp:

ive decided the way they ended it wasnt the problem

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sphery:

was the 2nd trip better than the first?

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wagnerrp:

but rather the... just lost the word

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wagnerrp:

implementation, i guess

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wagnerrp:

it was too hokey... 60s style ignorant sci-fi

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wagnerrp:

25 years from now, they have solved FTL communication, cryostasis, artificial gravity.... yet they have this large expanse of room inside a 60's style lander, and interlaced video communication from earth

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wagnerrp:

it all had the feel of... 'the audience is stupid, and doesnt know better'

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sphery:

heh..

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sphery:

I'm sure that will be even funnier once I watch the series (assuming I decide to watch it)

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wagnerrp:

oh, and they had perfected AI, but were unable to perfect a non-monotonous voice synthesizer

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wagnerrp:

again, 60's style annoying computer voice

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jamiem:

* Total Space: 1,325,629 MB * Space Used: 973,050 MB * Space Free: 352,578 MB

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jamiem:

I don't look to have achieved much :/

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jamiem:

what's that? About 150hrs free?

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wagnerrp:

far less than that

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jamiem:

looking at my listings 1hr can be ~2GB

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wagnerrp:

about half that, of my average recording size

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jamiem:

wagnerrp: HD?

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wagnerrp:

primarily

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jamiem:

ah

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jamiem:

just DVB-T here

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** jamiem is pleased and curious to see he can now back up his fileserver RAID-5 to his new single SATA disk **

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jamiem:

RAID != backup

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wagnerrp:

well that single disk isnt much of a backup either unless you store it somewhere else

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jamiem:

quite

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jamiem:

and even then a bit poor

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wagnerrp:

well the chances that you will suffer physical damage in two different places, or that a unused hard drive will fail, are rather slim

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** jamiem thinks he might need to script myth.rebuild_pngs **

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wagnerrp:

although i will admit ive lost a good deal of data on DVD due to disk rot

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jamiem:

doing it via the web interface doesn't seem optimal

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jamiem:

wagnerrp: yes!

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jamiem:

wagnerrp: lasts a decade my arse!

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jamiem:

wagnerrp: will-play-with-jam-on-it

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wagnerrp:

ive got a couple shows i was unable to work through CRC errors

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jamiem:

I took out a backup and it just flaked away in my hands

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wagnerrp:

ive been meaning to try polishing them, and give it another shot

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wagnerrp:

but ive not had the motivation

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jamiem:

polishing / filling

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** jamiem intends to write a "duplicate finder" cron job report thingy **

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jamiem:

"foo and bar have the same title and subtitle – duplicate?" "foo, bar and meh" have the same description – duplicate?

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jamiem:

I don't know if that person is here: but whoever decided "fuck it – we'll just use a basename and a bunch of potential directories" for storage of programmes I want to buy a beer for

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abarber:

what is the problem if irw is running and no remote signals are received?

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jamiem:

abarber: batteries!

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wagnerrp:

or lirc is not set up properly

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jamiem:

sometimes it's the obvious ;)

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iamlindoro__:

abarber, Does mode2 work?

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iamlindoro__:

you should never jump to irw before mode2

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abarber:

mode 2?

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iamlindoro__:

no

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iamlindoro__:

mode2

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iamlindoro__:

irw requires a working lircd.conf

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iamlindoro__:

mode2 requires a working lirc driver and daemon

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iamlindoro__:

mode2 is lower on the hierarchy than irw-- you should pass through it on the way

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abarber:

how is mode 2 run?

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iamlindoro__:

by typing mode2, then stabbing yourself in the eye with a pen

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jamiem:

LOL

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iamlindoro__:

alternately, you can type mode2, then the enter key, then mash some buttons on your remote

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jamiem:

preferably a bic as fountain pens are costly nowadays

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iamlindoro__:

if that doesn't work, irw never will

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abarber:

mode2: error opening /dev/lirc

[01:42:35]

wombo:

should lirc be stopped first?

[01:42:40]

iamlindoro__:

abarber, read the help and pass it the device

[01:42:42]

jamiem:

"If you require a dialling wand ..."

[01:42:47]

iamlindoro__:

no, lirc shouldn't be stopped

[01:43:07]

** jamiem tonight learnt that lirc provides /dev/lirc **

[01:43:11]

iamlindoro__:

ie mode2 -d /dev/lirc0

[01:43:21]

iamlindoro__:

as it defaults to /dev/lirc

[01:43:48]

** iamlindoro__ wonders why people never try to solve their error messages, even just a little, before pasting them here **

[01:43:55]

wombo:

haha

[01:43:59]

jamiem:

[ 4.061561] hda: host side 80-wire cable detection failed, limiting max speed to UDMA33 [ 4.061632] hda: UDMA/33 mode selected [ 4.063172] hdb: host max PIO5 wanted PIO255(auto-tune) selected PIO4 wuuut?!

[01:44:27]

** jamiem seeks another cable **

[01:44:39]

jamiem:

UDMA33! FTLOC

[01:44:53]

abarber:

iamlindoro: success

[01:45:05]

jamiem:

I think we might be onto something

[01:45:07]

iamlindoro__:

then if irw isn't working, your lircd.conf is busted

[01:45:08]

abarber:

it is giving me generic numbers upon key presses

[01:45:23]

iamlindoro__:

see? Troubleshooting are easy!

[01:45:24]

jamiem:

iamlindoro just need to get home, have some twinkies before iamlindoro__ could save the day!

[01:45:50]

jamiem:

s/need/$1ed/

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wagnerrp:

FTLOC? for the library of congress?

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jamiem:

um no

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iamlindoro__:

Oh BTPOG

[01:46:19]

iamlindoro__:

(By the power of greyskull)

[01:46:30]

jamiem:

FTHOS

[01:46:41]

jamiem:

shit

[01:46:43]

jamiem:

FTHOG

[01:46:59]

jamiem:

(For the hono[u]r of Grayskull)

[01:47:14]

iamlindoro__:

huh?

[01:47:21]

jamiem:

I figured Grayskull because it was American

[01:47:21]

iamlindoro__:

What's that, some weenie UK version?

[01:47:23]

abarber:

it

[01:47:25]

jamiem:

iamlindoro__: She-ra said that

[01:47:27]

abarber:

s def BTPOG

[01:47:33]

iamlindoro__:

bah, She-ra

[01:47:36]

jamiem:

:)

[01:47:41]

iamlindoro__:

she-ra can make me a pie

[01:47:50]

iamlindoro__:

</sexism>

[01:47:56]

abarber:

heman>>>>she-ra

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** iamlindoro__ hopes our female friends aren't watching the channel **

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** iamlindoro__ is real sorry and will think about what he's done **

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jamiem:

. o { female friends }

[01:48:26]

iamlindoro__:

not so

[01:48:45]

jamiem:

so it has taken me about 12 hours to do my drives migration

[01:48:57]

jamiem:

it would have been 10 had I not been a nob and use --delete in an rsync for loop

[01:49:42]

iamlindoro__:

anyhoo, fix your lircd.conf and things should be rosy

[01:50:00]

** jamiem thinks web interface 'recorded' needs a Genre/Category <select> too **

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jamiem:

wagnerrp: incidentally, For The Love of Christ

[01:50:28]

jamiem:

drop caps and all

[01:50:53]

wombo:

What are peoples suggestions if you get no love from Mode2?

[01:51:06]

jamiem:

wombo: cat

[01:51:14]

wagnerrp:

figure out why your LIRC driver is not working

[01:51:14]

jamiem:

mmm /dev

[01:51:26]

abarber:

now that i know my lircd.conf is the problem, where do i go from here?

[01:51:32]

abarber:

i see no problems with it

[01:51:41]

abarber:

since it has gone unchanged

[01:51:43]

jamiem:

abarber: s/lirc/lirc0 ?

[01:51:56]

jamiem:

I'm just guessing now. It's late and I've had wine

[01:51:59]

jamiem:

Sat Apr 4 02:51:58 BST 2009

[01:52:15]

** jamiem wonders how to /remove/ mythvideo **

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iamlindoro__:

abarber, so just to check, irw starts, but gives no output?

[01:52:26]

wagnerrp:

remove mythvideo?

[01:52:34]

iamlindoro__:

jamiem, rm /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so

[01:52:42]

abarber:

iamlindoro: that is correct

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wagnerrp:

yeah, if the library doesnt exist, it wont show up in the menu

[01:52:56]

jamiem:

iamlindoro__: thanks; but. I have debris in my mythtv table :/

[01:53:06]

wagnerrp:

mythweb will still show it as long as the table exists

[01:53:15]

jamiem:

and it still shows in my mythtv web frontend

[01:53:15]

iamlindoro__:

jamiem, so truncate table videometadata

[01:53:24]

jamiem:

hm

[01:53:40]

** jamiem invokes mysql-query-browser because I'm gay and don't like CLI mysql **

[01:54:16]

jamiem:

can I safely delete tables music_ too?

[01:54:17]

wagnerrp:

echo 'delete from videometadata;' | mysql -umythtv -pmythtv

[01:54:28]

jamiem:

wagnerrp: gee thanks. I can do that much ;)

[01:54:50]

wagnerrp:

there are a couple other tables that hold people and genres

[01:54:55]

wagnerrp:

dont remember their names off hand

[01:55:01]

jamiem:

this was my 'concern' ;)

[01:55:08]

wagnerrp:

that will just clear them, not drop them

[01:55:30]

jamiem:

hmm

[01:55:37]

wagnerrp:

oh, and you would need a 'mythconverg' on there to tell it what DB to use

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jamiem:

I always used "where 1" for that — proves how lame I am

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wagnerrp:

either at the end of that command, or mythconverg.videometadata

[01:55:51]

jamiem:

wagnerrp: I don't use 'mythconverg'

[01:56:01]

jamiem:

I never liked the name

[01:56:15]

jamiem:

had they gone with 'mythconverge' I might have abode it

[01:56:26]

iamlindoro__:

It's not like you have to use it

[01:56:35]

iamlindoro__:

You can call your DB boobies for all anyone cares

[01:56:39]

jamiem:

iamlindoro__: we already worked out that I/way do

[01:56:43]

jamiem:

BOOBIES

[01:57:54]

jamiem:

can you pass anything to `show tables;` ?

[01:58:28]

jamiem:

show tables LIKE "music_%"

[01:58:42]

jamiem:

yes is the answer

[01:58:47]

jamiem:

maybe I like CLI mysql after all

[01:58:58]

abarber:

iamlindoro: now that i know i has to do with my lircd.conf, how can i catch the problem?

[01:59:35]

tank-man:

is it loading the config file you think it is?

[02:00:04]

abarber:

tank, explain

[02:00:20]

abarber:

the files look fine

[02:00:21]

tank-man:

maybe it is loading a defalut config file

[02:00:46]

abarber:

that could be...i wish i knew how the files interacted

[02:00:50]

jamiem:

'mythconverg' lacks convention and normalisation :/

[02:01:04]

tank-man:

what documentation are you looking at?

[02:01:52]

abarber:

examples of others' hardware.conf, lircd.conf

[02:02:00]

i_is_cat:

i wish lirc worked with my remotes :( :'( :'(****

[02:04:27]

jamiem:

I have *lost* my Apple IR somewhere in the house

[02:04:30]

jamiem:

for about three months now

[02:04:36]

jamiem:

it just *disappeared* one day

[02:04:51]

jamiem:

it's not down either sofa.

[02:05:03]

jamiem:

0.5" x 4" of disappearedness

[02:05:28]

abarber:

i think i'd rather lose it than have it and have it not work

[02:05:36]

abarber:

:-)

[02:05:40]

jamiem:

oh. no. It worked. :)

[02:07:08]

jamiem:

wow! Programmes start much fast from the SATA drive.

[02:07:19]

abarber:

haha

[02:07:21]

abarber:

yes

[02:08:54]

abarber:

jamiem: i m running irw, and nothing is coming up, tat would mean?

[02:09:19]

abarber:

it should pick up any IR codes, regardless of device, right?

[02:09:45]

abarber:

it doesn't need the list of codes translated

[02:10:36]

jamiem:

did you try # irw /dev/lirc0

[02:10:53]

jamiem:

"irw will connect to any Unix domain socket and will print the data that it receives to stdout. If you don't give it a socket name argument it will watch /dev/lircd."

[02:12:42]

jams:

you want /dev/lircd not lirc0

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** jamiem defers wholly to jame **

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** jamiem defers wholly to jams **

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jams:

assuming its lircd and not /dev/lircd/0 or /dev/lircd0

[02:15:09]

abarber:

http://pastebin.ca/1381458

[02:16:21]

abarber:

so lost guys...

[02:17:26]

jams:

don't use lirc0

[02:17:46]

jams:

either use lircd or don't list anything and let it use the default values

[02:17:47]

abarber:

for?

[02:17:52]

jams:

for bot

[02:17:54]

jams:

both

[02:18:14]

abarber:

irw dev/lircd?

[02:18:51]

abarber:

no output

[02:18:56]

jams:

run "lircd -n" then in another term run "irw"

[02:19:31]

jams:

press some buttons and hope it works. If it doesn't work your lircd.conf file doesn't contain any entries for the button your pushing.

[02:19:44]

jams:

/etc/lircd.conf

[02:20:18]

jams:

do you have a /dev/lircd and /dev/lirc0 ?

[02:20:31]

abarber:

$ sudo lircd -n

[02:20:33]

abarber:

lircd: there seems to already be a lircd process with pid 7803

[02:20:34]

abarber:

lircd: otherwise delete stale lockfile /var/run/lircd.pid

[02:20:39]

jams:

so kill it

[02:20:46]

abarber:

how?

[02:21:19]

jamiem:

o.O

[02:21:27]

jams:

killall -9 lircd

[02:21:29]

jamiem:

poor abarber has been at this for like three hours

[02:21:44]

jams:

or use the distro init scripts to stop it

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i_is_cat:

stupid xmode2 doesnt work on my system :S *sigh*

[02:23:09]

abarber:

should killall have a lot of messages after it?

[02:23:23]

jams:

nope

[02:23:26]

abarber:

jamiem: it'll be worth it if i get this soon

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jamiem:

:)

[02:24:22]

abarber:

http://pastebin.ca/1381462

[02:24:55]

tank-man:

what documentation are you looking at?

[02:25:04]

abarber:

wrt to "do you have a /dev/lircd and /dev/lirc0 ?" yes, btoh

[02:25:04]

jams:

what does ls -la /dev/lirc* return

[02:25:07]

abarber:

both

[02:25:38]

abarber:

crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2009-04–03 17:28 /dev/lirc0

[02:25:39]

abarber:

srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2009-04–03 19:22 /dev/lircd

[02:27:30]

iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, Have you worked on the MythGame MythUI port lately?

[02:28:23]

i_is_cat:

so why arent you running lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 /path/to/lircd.conf file?

[02:28:26]

jams:

ok run /dev/lircd -n -d /dev/lirc0 I was wrong about letting it default

[02:28:39]

jams:

you don't have a /dev/lirc

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i_is_cat:

then run an irw and see what happens

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jams:

you should however let irw use the default device.

[02:32:24]

i_is_cat:

works fine for me

[02:33:16]

i_is_cat:

irrecord on the other hand.. is a different story

[02:34:27]

tank-man:

abarber, from the last pastebin output from you, there is a line that says this "could not get file information for /dev/lirc ... No such file or directory"

[02:34:43]

tank-man:

and from the "ls" output you pasted above, it is correct, you don't have a file named that

[02:35:01]

wombo:

Can I just jump in for a sec, I have been watching from a distance try to also get mine up and running. I did this 'sudo lirc -n -d /dev/lirc1' then an irw, that got everything running perfectly

[02:35:29]

wombo:

do I then change hardware.conf, REMOTE_DEIVE to match

[02:35:40]

wombo:

DEIVE = DEVICE

[02:35:42]

i_is_cat:

i just do a lircd but mines set up nicely..

[02:36:05]

abarber:

sorry guys, walked away for a sec

[02:36:08]

wombo:

lol and LIRC = LIRCD. damm my spelling is crappy

[02:36:12]

tank-man:

"hardware.conf" is some distro specific config file i believe

[02:36:37]

abarber:

tank-man: where would i change that line/error?

[02:36:59]

tank-man:

where ever your distro has start up scripts

[02:37:20]

i_is_cat:

abarber, if you have lirc running, kill it, then execute 'lircd -d /dev/lirc0 /path/to/lircd.conf' then run 'irw'

[02:37:54]

i_is_cat:

everything should be A-OK

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abarber:

still no output

[02:38:41]

i_is_cat:

then you have the wrong conf file and its not seeing your remote

[02:38:47]

tank-man:

you mean no error messages?

[02:39:11]

pac1:

I have an HDTV recording 13gb 2 hrs. I want to view it in the highest quality from a dvd. How do I break it up so it fits. Or do I not need to do that?

[02:39:14]

i_is_cat:

you should probably switch to the correct conf file or use irrecord to make one

[02:39:53]

jamiem:

pac1: afaik DVD has maximum resolutions much lower than HDTV

[02:40:18]

jamiem:

[02:40:23]

jamiem:

unless you have a Bluray burner

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tank-man:

he probably means he wants a data dvd

[02:40:36]

i_is_cat:

what jamiem said

[02:40:37]

jamiem:

oh.

[02:40:47]

abarber:

tank-man: no error messages, no anything

[02:41:02]

i_is_cat:

well a dual layer dvd is only like 8.5gb so you'd still have to convert or split in half

[02:41:15]

i_is_cat:

abarber, that means you have the wrong lircd.conf file

[02:41:30]

i_is_cat:

if you mean no error and no anything after running irw that is..

[02:42:28]

abarber:

but i have used the same one for 2 years

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i_is_cat:

do you get output from mode2?

[02:43:09]

abarber:

yes

[02:43:17]

abarber:

like geberic numbers

[02:43:20]

i_is_cat:

what does your lircd.conf file look like?

[02:43:28]

abarber:

it has an include

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** jamiem can not consistently transcode MPEG-TS to MPG-4 :( **

[02:43:43]

abarber:

for a mceusb

[02:43:46]

abarber:

file

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** jamiem frequently gets A/V delay **

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abarber:

want me to pastebin it?

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i_is_cat:

yes

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i_is_cat:

so you're using the mceusb remote then?

[02:44:37]

abarber:

yeah

[02:45:03]

abarber:

i have an lircd.conf in etc and atc/lirc

[02:45:08]

abarber:

etc/lirc

[02:45:15]

abarber:

which should i use?

[02:45:31]

i_is_cat:

i just have /etc/lircd.conf

[02:45:52]

abarber:

k

[02:47:01]

tank-man:

you say you used the same one for 2 years, what changed to make it not work?

[02:47:54]

i_is_cat:

it would help to see the lircd.conf file just to make sure it looks normal

[02:49:43]

abarber:

http://pastebin.ca/1381482

[02:50:05]

abarber:

i had to change cable providers today

[02:50:12]

abarber:

and was working on the ir blaster

[02:50:22]

abarber:

and i messed everything up

[02:50:24]

jamiem:

you changed cable providers?! NOW YOU TELL US

[02:50:31]

jamiem:

.... j/k

[02:50:36]

abarber:

lol

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tank-man:

so you changed the config file and now it doesnt work ....

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abarber:

which?

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tank-man:

what do you mean you were working on ir blaster?

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abarber:

i mean i was trying to change the receiver codes

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tank-man:

ok so you got a new cable box and now your remote doesnt work?

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abarber:

i've had the cable box for a long time

[02:53:49]

abarber:

just used myth for movies

[02:53:56]

abarber:

decided "time to use the dvr"

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i_is_cat:

that lird.conf file looks fine to me.. i'd test it with the include line and the next line down commented out just to be sure but other than that i dont know what to tell you besides try irrecord

[02:55:11]

abarber:

the include is necessary because all the codes are in the mce file

[02:55:31]

i_is_cat:

because if you execute lircd with the proper device and the proper path to the lircd.conf file and then run irw and get nothing, not even an error it says to me either A. wrong lircd.conf file, or B. the line of sight is broken but that wouldnt be the case because of the mode2 spewing output..

[02:56:07]

i_is_cat:

all what codes?

[02:56:58]

jamiem:

All the CRAZY codes

[02:57:03]

abarber:

the remote codes

[02:57:05]

i_is_cat:

uh...

[02:57:07]

i_is_cat:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/mceusb/lircd.conf.mceusb

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i_is_cat:

that is whats in the lircd.conf.mceusb file

[02:57:26]

i_is_cat:

which looks similar to whats in your lircd.conf file

[02:57:28]

abarber:

right

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i_is_cat:

so why are you including whats already there?

[02:57:43]

abarber:

ohhh, i pasted 2 files there

[02:57:46]

abarber:

and labelled them

[02:58:28]

abarber:

so now you see why i need the includes

[02:58:51]

i_is_cat:

no not really what files did you paste there?

[02:59:01]

abarber:

top was lirc.conf

[02:59:13]

abarber:

below that was lircd.conf.mceusb

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i_is_cat:

comment out those lines and restart lircd as mentioned above specifying the device and the location of your commented lircd.conf file and do an irw and let me know if it does nothing

[02:59:50]

abarber:

tank-man: do you think this has something to do with the lirc =! lirc0 in that pastebin from before?

[03:00:30]

tank-man:

what are you typing to start lircd?

[03:00:44]

tank-man:

or do you know where your distro starts it from and how?

[03:01:31]

abarber:

THAT is what i am dying to know

[03:02:05]

abarber:

mythbuntu

[03:02:06]

tank-man:

what are you typing to start lircd?

[03:02:17]

i_is_cat:

give me root access, i'll get it working

[03:02:21]

tank-man:

how do you know its not working if you dont know if you started lircd?

[03:02:22]

i_is_cat:

;)

[03:02:24]

jamiem:

:D

[03:02:26]

abarber:

pne sec, trying i am cat's idea

[03:02:30]

pac1:

can you split a recording up into chapters?

[03:02:42]

pac1:

say 1 per commercial break?

[03:03:37]

jamiem:

1745 rejected (68%) :(

[03:03:37]

i_is_cat:

pac1, in what way?

[03:03:50]

i_is_cat:

into separate files?

[03:04:02]

abarber:

i_is_cat: i'll totally give you root access

[03:04:16]

abarber:

or at least desktop control

[03:04:28]

pac1:

not necessarily separate files, just want to transcode into separate chapters in the dvdmenu

[03:05:32]

i_is_cat:

pac1, if you're talking about mastering a dvd, ive set chapters on movies, but i use qdvdauthor for that and i dont think thats what you're talking about..

[03:06:51]

i_is_cat:

abarber, ssh doesnt work to your ip :(

[03:06:57]

tank-man:

i wish someone would just write down these instructions in a list form somewhere

[03:07:16]

i_is_cat:

lirc instructions?

[03:07:22]

abarber:

ssh?

[03:07:52]

i_is_cat:

like this perhaps? http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html#lircd.conf

[03:07:57]

abarber:

i gotta go to a bball game guys....thanks for the help, i'll bbl

[03:08:29]

pac1:

Season Opener?

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tank-man:

yea i was being sarcastic :)

[03:09:57]

i_is_cat:

i figured, but its for the benefit of abarber

[03:10:12]

i_is_cat:

i read it when i first setup lirc and it seems pretty straighforward

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i_is_cat:

i should say first setup lirc manually... i tried linuxmce first and it was a nightmare

[03:11:55]

abarber:

yeah, i did use that guide

[03:12:05]

abarber:

and it was painless the first time

[03:12:19]

abarber:

linuxmce is downright awful

[03:12:28]

abarber:

i had such high hopes for it

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i_is_cat:

did you try commenting the include and other line?

[03:12:44]

i_is_cat:

ya so did i, linuxmce is crap

[03:13:05]

abarber:

yeah, i'll have to try it when i get back

[03:13:07]

i_is_cat:

unless you buy the prebuilt preconfigured systems.. then i'm sure it works ok

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i_is_cat:

LOL nm their website is parked by godaddy hahaha

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jamiem:

is it wrong to say you don't rate Sean Connery ?

[03:17:41]

pac1:

I've got scheduling coming in from Schedules direct and some of the times are off by a few minutes. Shows that start at 9:00 are in the schedule at 9:03. etc. Anyone else see this problem?

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Captain_Murdoch:

some of the stations do that on purpose. sometimes the times are right and sometimes the times are 9:00 but the show is actually 9:01 or 9:02 or 8:59.

[03:28:26]

Captain_Murdoch:

conspiracy says that they do it just to mess with people with DVRs, but stations like TBS in the US were doing it years ago starting shows at 5 after the hour.

[03:31:46]

iamlindoro__:

Yeah, doesn't do much good to mess with DVRs when you give the accurate offsets to the listings source, heh :)

[03:32:17]

wagnerrp:

its more to catch people on a show before the other networks have a chance

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iamlindoro__:

More likely a hope that by leading a few minutes into the followup hour, people will give up on other shows since they missed the beginning, and keep watching the second hour of your programming

[03:32:35]

wagnerrp:

or to keep you on a show late, so shows on other networks have already started

[03:33:27]

wagnerrp:

im actually intrigued by this 'verizon hub'

[03:33:37]

wagnerrp:

it may very well be a function use of a videophone

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, keep in mind that the average DVR user still only has 1 tuner.

[03:34:22]

wagnerrp:

actually, the average DVR user has more than one tuner

[03:34:46]

iamlindoro__:

The average DVR user doesn't care that much about recording multiple things at once :)

[03:34:49]

Captain_Murdoch:

average Myth user maybe, but I find it hard to believe that the average cable subscriber has more than one.

[03:35:05]

wagnerrp:

however the 'mode' has only one tuner

[03:36:00]

wagnerrp:

the minimum you can have in a DVR is 1

[03:36:06]

wagnerrp:

so the average is guaranteed to be more than 1

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, so something has gone funky in my local Fox stream-- the first time you watch any recording from the channel, it's fine. The next thing you try to play afterwards segfaults myth.

[03:37:21]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, but 1.7 doesn't count, so you have to round down.

[03:37:32]

Captain_Murdoch:

with that, /me goes off to bed.

[03:38:31]

Captain_Murdoch:

actually, iamlindoro it's not the more than one thing at once, it's the overlapping programs that kills them with the programs that don't start on time. ask the aussie guys that have been pushing the soft padding since their schedule is virtually non-existent.

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iamlindoro__:

I know for example that all the Dish DVRs will do two at once, including suspending live TV and allowing two recordings at once. I have a comcast DVR but I must admit I have not tried recording anything on it-- I know it's dual tuner but not sure if it will allow dual recording.

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iamlindoro__:

anyawy, I see the point and can agree

[03:46:21]

iamlindoro__:

wagnerrp, I dunno about those devices that replace what can be done--and more-- by a web browser

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iamlindoro__:

I admire the "widget" ness of them, but not sure I'd ever *use* such a thing if I had it in the house

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iamlindoro__:

wagnerrp, Can you do me a favor?

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wagnerrp:

sure thing

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/segfault2x.mpg

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iamlindoro__:

import this short 10 MB file into mythvideo, preferably trunk?

[03:51:14]

iamlindoro__:

then play it once. Then play it a second time

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iamlindoro__:

For me, second time is *always* a segfault with this channel

[03:52:12]

iamlindoro__:

just want a sanity check before I open a ticket

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wagnerrp:

play it all the way through?

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wagnerrp:

oof... seems i dont have mythvideo built on this machine

[03:56:21]

wagnerrp:

give me a few minutes

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iamlindoro__:

no rush

[04:00:20]

wagnerrp:

anyway, play through? or open... close.... open again?

[04:02:32]

iamlindoro__:

either

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wagnerrp:

first time... plays fine

[04:07:05]

wagnerrp:

second time... plays fine

[04:07:12]

wagnerrp:

third time... plays fine

[04:07:25]

wagnerrp:

exiting and playing... works fine

[04:07:26]

iamlindoro__:

rassafrassa... okay, thanks

[04:07:45]

iamlindoro__:

opened the ticket anyway, maybe the BT will help

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wagnerrp:

this is on an older 6200, and 169.x drivers i believe

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iamlindoro__:

yeah, it occurred to me that it might be nVidia drivers

[04:09:17]

iamlindoro__:

but we'll see :)

[04:09:22]

iamlindoro__:

thanks for doing that

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wagnerrp:

well then lets go downstairs and try it...

[04:09:43]

wagnerrp:

need to go down and get something to drink anyway...

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wagnerrp:

8400 (g98) and 180.37, works fine with both ffmpeg and vdpau

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wagnerrp:

this is from revision 20273, so there may be a problem with something more recent

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you around?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you may want to check out the latest TOS from AT&T about mythtv capability on the iphone

[05:54:09]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: seems they not prohibit 'customer initiated redirection of television or other video or audio signals via any technology from a fixed location to a mobile device'

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: wifi should still be fine, but it seems streaming video over the wireless data plan is out

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: ignore that... seems there was a flood of complaints, and they retracted those changes earlier today

[06:04:41]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, fun!

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kormoc:

Heh, now what's awesome is, I don't have a iphone, just a ipod touch, so it doesn't matter :)

[06:05:24]

wagnerrp:

ah, i knew you were doing something with mythweb and iWhatever

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wagnerrp:

didnt know which one

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ShockValue:

is there an 'easy' way to tell which HD channels are encrypted on my cable systems channels without just buying a hdcard and seeing that does and doesnt work?

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mzb:

hmm .. interesting. While editing a recording (in trunk) steps of 0.5s, 1s and frame skip forwards rather than back when pressing left. What gives?

[08:01:04]

kormoc:

what gives is you're running trunk and gave up stability for bleeding edge?

[08:04:31]

clever:

ive had that problem for ages

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Dibblah:

Damnit. This kernel bug is giving me headaches :( :(

[08:04:44]

clever:

since before the qt4 conversion

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clever:

its something screwed up with the seek table i think

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Dibblah:

So? Fix the seektable.

[08:05:32]

Dibblah:

Remember that rebuilding the seektable was broken for a long time.

[08:05:42]

clever:

i forget what i did back then

[08:05:50]

clever:

havent done much editing lately

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mzb:

kormoc: I'm hardly expecting a constantly smooth experience, I'm merely asking if anyone is aware of the issue, or if it's been addressed.

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Dibblah:

ISTR someone mentioned it.

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clever:

and i was stating that im aware of the issue!

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mzb:

thx x2!

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Dibblah:

'someone' as in a dev or code contributor, not just someone random.

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mzb:

cool

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clever:

the devs may pay more attention if 2 people have the problem

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** mzb randomly points at *someone* ;) **

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clever:

you keep ignoring my 'unique' problems and blame them on my config:P

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Dibblah:

clever: Excuse me for a moment

[08:08:00]

Dibblah:

Bwahahahaha.

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Dibblah:

Devs pay more attention if they can reproduce the problem. They generally fix the problem if it impacts them or someone they care about.

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mzb:

shouldn't a lossless transcode have rebuilt the seek table?

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** mzb feels unloved **

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Dibblah:

Should, however...

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RHCT_Tuxi:

What would be the best analog/digital TV-Tuner card to by, if I want to use it with MythTV?

[10:31:20]

RHCT_Tuxi:

What would be the best analog/digital TV-Tuner card to by, if I want to use it with MythTV?

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RHCT_Tuxi:

Do anybody know if a Hauppaunge WinTV HVR-4000 would work out of the box with MythTV (Here I specially think about sound)

[10:50:34]

janneg:

RHCT_Tuxi: DVB-S should work out of the box, DVB-S2 not yet

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RHCT_Tuxi:

janneg What about analog cable and sound... I have saa7134 card at the time, and the missing sound out is giving me a big deal of problems

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RHCT_Tuxi:

janneg I was planing to bye the HVR-4000 in hop that would give me sound under mythTV with Linux

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d00gle:

I have the Nova HD S2 which is the same chipset as the HVR-4000 and it works fine with DVB-S in MythTV

[11:05:23]

d00gle:

I believe you will have to either use a kernel above 2.6.28 or grab the latest V4L-DVB for it to be recognised though

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gbee:

he's looking for info on the analogue side

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janneg:

RHCT_Tuxi: you can't use the analog and digital parts of the HVR-4000 simultaneously

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RHCT_Tuxi:

Yes but sound issues wil come thouge with all the standards I gues

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janneg:

no, it won't be a problem for digital

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RHCT_Tuxi:

Okay thanks so what I'm hearing is that there haven been sound issues with HVR-4000 like I have with my 7134 Asus card (saa7134)

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RHCT_Tuxi:

*haven't

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RHCT_Tuxi:

Well I have to go now wife is already in the car.... catch you all later rhen ;-)

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janneg:

I would recommend a card with hardware encoder for analog, a pvr150 for example

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DarK``_:

hey all. My mythtv wont play svcds (burned on a cdr), it plays for about 3 seconds and then just stops. DVD works fine though. I tried playing the svcd in mplayer directly and that works fine too. What could be wrong?

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gbee:

mythtv doesn't support VCD and probably never will because it's a dead and little used format

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gbee:

then again, if someone contributes a patch ...

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DarK``_:

then why does it have a menu option 'play vcd'?

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gbee:

that option just starts up mplayer

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DarK``_:

so it probably has the wrong (missing?) mplayer parameters?

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gbee:

probably, see the settings for mythvideo to configure the parameters

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DarK``_:

okay

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DarK``_:

thanks for your help

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gbee:

don't see the appeal of SVCD vs DVD, even broadcast SD at awful levels of compression and resolution amounts to 1Gb/hour

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DarK``_:

I just have several svcds, burned years ago which I was hoping to play again

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jamiem:

SVCDs used to play in some console or other when DVDs didn't

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DarK``_:

Im trying to figure out how mythtv's menu works. Im in /usr/share/mythtv/dvdmenu.xml. In the VCD chapter it says: <action>PLAY_VCd</action>. How do I know which command is associated with that?

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DarK``_:

nm, found it, thanks anyways

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underguiz:

is there vdpau support in any stable release yet or do I have to build a svn snapshot to use it?

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gbee:

underguiz: there are unofficial backport patches for the stable release, but the only official support is in the development branch

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underguiz:

gbee, ty very much

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justinp_home:

Mornin, folks

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justinp_home:

Two audio-related issues today – one, the sound on Live TV is terrible; two, the volume control doesn't work

[15:26:50]

justinp_home:

The Live TV sound issue is weird, because the sound on recordings is fine

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sphery:

justinp_home: analog TV?

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sphery:

justinp_home: if so, you need to fix the LiveTV recording profile to be the same as your Normal (or Default or whatever) recording profile

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sphery:

justinp_home: my guess is that you have 32kHz audio in LiveTV profile, but have (a proper) 48kHz audio in your other profile(s)

[15:29:46]

sphery:

justinp_home: make sure you change all 4

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justinp_home:

It's an svideo/composite connection from a cable stb

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sphery:

yep, fix LiveTV recording profile, then

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justinp_home:

I'll check that out

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sphery:

and if volume control doesn't work, I'm assuming that's in LiveTV /and/ recordings, right?

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justinp_home:

That's correct

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sphery:

Are you using digital audio output (i.e. S/PDIF out of your sound card to a receiver)?

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justinp_home:

OK, I checked my recording profiles, and it appears that LiveTV is indeed set to 48kHz

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sphery:

48kHz is good...

[15:33:29]

sphery:

but something about the audio settings is most likely different...

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justinp_home:

It's using the hardware mpeg2 encoder on my pvr-150

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sphery:

compare LiveTV to the one you use for recordings and make them identical

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justinp_home:

They're all the same

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sphery:

well, if they're the same, then LiveTV and recordings should play back the same...

[15:35:22]

sphery:

have you tried playing back a LiveTV recording as a recording...

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sphery:

I.e. after watching >2min of LiveTV go to Watch Recordings and change the Filter to include LiveTV.

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justinp_home:

codec: mpeg-2 hardware encoder; sampling rate: 48000; bitrate 384 kbps; volume 100%

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sphery:

Then, select a LiveTV show and play it back

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sphery:

tell me if it's good or bad audio that way

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sphery:

Is it 100% volume in non-LiveTV, too? That can cause clipping... I found that 90% was pretty good for my PVR-x50's.

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justinp_home:

I'll try bumping those down – I noticed that Low Quality was set to 90%, all others were set to 100%

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sphery:

justinp_home: what did the "play LiveTV as a recording" test tell you?

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justinp_home:

Nothing at the moment – new issue just cropped up. I'm not getting any audio from mythfrontend on my backend machine

[15:45:37]

justinp_home:

sound is fine if I fire up something outside mythfrontend, but no audio in mythfrontend at all

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justinp_home:

I'd have to run back and forth from here to my frontend machine to test now

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sphery:

what do you have for Audio Output Device and Mixer Device? Should be something like "ALSA:default" (for both) or "/dev/dsp" and "/dev/mixer", respectively (the latter ones possibly with numbers after the name)

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sphery:

no quotes

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justinp_home:

ALSA:default and /dev/mixer

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sphery:

can't mixe the two...

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sphery:

Use ALSA:default for both

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justinp_home:

still no love

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justinp_home:

does passthrough output device have anything to do with this?

[15:53:21]

justinp_home:

Got it – had to change it to /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer

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justinp_home:

Ok, liveTV test

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justinp_home:

Sweet!

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gbee:

ouch, you don't have alsa??

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justinp_home:

I can't believe it was as simple as kicking the volume down 10%

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justinp_home:

gbee, I do have alsa, but for some reason mythfrontend isn't happy with it

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justinp_home:

I'm using mythdora on this machine

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justinp_home:

OK, on to the volume thing

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justinp_home:

To be more specific on that: Changing the volume via myth's internal volume controls doesn't work – I have to get up and manually adjust the volume knob on my speakers at this point

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justinp_home:

This is on my frontend

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sphery:

in other words, "You have ALSA, but you've not configured ALSA:default to work the way you want it to work with Myth."

[15:58:38]

sphery:

perhaps your distro put Pulse on there?

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jarle:

sphery: How did it go with mythweb and tmdb.pl the other day?

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sphery:

justinp_home: and you've enabled, "Use internal volume controls" in mythfrontend settings under General settings?

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sphery:

jarle: um.... sphery isn't here...

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sphery:

jarle: I didn't get a chance to work on it.

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jarle:

sphery: ok

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sphery:

I've just started a pretty big project. I'll try to put some time in it in a bit, but one approach you can take is to apply the patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6390 to tmdb.pl

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sphery:

then you can just make imdb.pl a link to tmdb.pl and put the MythWeb files back to the way they were, and it should just work

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sphery:

(the #6390 patch was the one part I was able to find time to finish)

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justinp_home:

Wooohoo!

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sphery:

i.e. pushd /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts && mv imdb.pl{,-orig} && ln -s {t,i}mdb.pl

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sphery:

jarle: ^^^

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sphery:

justinp_home: got it?

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justinp_home:

All fixed. Looks like the issue with volume control was the same issue I had down here

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sphery:

cool...

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sphery:

yeah, if you have the wrong mixer device specified volume won't work

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gbee:

apt-get remove-with-prejudice pulse

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sphery:

heh

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justinp_home:

I set the frontend to ALSA:default on audio output and mixer, and all was golden

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sphery:

cool...

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sphery:

enjoy

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justinp_home:

Will do – thanks a bunch

[16:06:23]

sphery:

jarle: and, btw, if you do as mentioned above, please let me know if you have any issues with it...

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sphery:

as I'm considering making the MythWeb-support patch for 0.21-fixes to basically that (with the exception that it would just remove imdb.pl)

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gbee:

sphery: what state is the tmdb backport in? I'll get that done today if you are happy with it

[16:09:28]

sphery:

gbee: my main issue with it is my own indecisiveness...

[16:10:46]

sphery:

gbee: with the patch at #6390 , we can just make a link called imdb.pl that refers to tmdb.pl and it would work in MythVideo or MythWeb without any modifications (and users wouldn't even have to know--other than the fact that posters would work and be /much/ higher quality, etc. :)

[16:12:09]

sphery:

The patch in #6338 adds some code into MythVideo such that it actually looks for the "default" imdb.pl command line and ignores it and uses tmdb.pl, instead. That would allow users to continue to use imdb.pl (and break the ToS :), if they modify the default command line (even just including a space).

[16:12:21]

sphery:

I'm now starting to like the #6390 + link approach /much/ better.

[16:12:37]

sphery:

mainly because MythWeb is a mess...

[16:12:50]

sphery:

(i.e. for changing MythWeb in -fixes)

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sphery:

gbee: Though, if you wanted to /really/ make me happy, you could apply the (well-tested, guaranteed to work and not cause issues) patches to the restore script at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6013 (most important because without it users are corrupting DB data) and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5975

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sphery:

If you apply both, you'll need to take the version change hunk out of one of the patches (as they both have the same version change hunk)

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sphery:

gbee: here's the 5975 patch without the version hunk: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-59 . . . n_hunk.patch

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sphery:

Just let me know how big of a check to send--or, if I must, I can leave it blank :)

[16:23:41]

sphery:

gbee: BTW, Anduin seemed to be supportive of the just make a copy of/link to tmdb.pl that uses the old imdb.pl name idea--he was the one who originally recommended it

[16:24:50]

sphery:

I have to admit, though, my .pro foo isn't great enough to figure out how best to make it the link approach happen... If you like, I can play with it for a while, but I figured it would be easy for at least one of the devs.

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jarle:

sphery: following your link path I do not get any results in mythweb, will run upstairs to see if it works better in the frontend...

[16:31:37]

sphery:

jarle: did you change the MythWeb source files you previously modified back?

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sphery:

jarle: and apply the patch on #6390

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Anduin:

sphery: the perl bindings are a good example of creating arbitrary makefile targets from .pro files

[16:37:55]

Anduin:

but I'm fine being more mean and just renaming tmdb.pl imdb.pl for -fixes, people that hate it are going to need to do work anyway

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jarle:

sphery: the changes in mythweb sources was just changing imdb.pl into tmdb.pl as far as I remember? So as long as I have tmdb.pl it should still work fine?

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sphery:

jarle: try running from the command line: /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/imdb.pl -M hulk

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sphery:

do you get "File does not exist: at ./imdb.pl line 304"

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sphery:

(that's with imdb.pl as a link referring to tmdb.pl)

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jarle:

sphery: manual search seems to be fine (I get 4 results for your hulk search) I found I was missing the XML::Simple perl extension and I just installed it. it might be working from mythweb too now, I'll chcek...

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sphery:

sweet...

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jarle:

sphery: I'm pretty sure that mythweb is using tmdb.pl but somehow it is still referring to imdb.com for the results I get???

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sphery:

what do you mean? You see a request going to imdb.com?

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jarle:

sphery: I have renamed imdb.pl to imdb.pl.bak and the only imdb.pl I have got is the link to tmdb.pl

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jarle:

sphery: in mythweb, when you search for a title you get a list of titles to choose from, and for each item there is also a link poiting to the description page on imdb.com

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sphery:

If you're talking about the links on the page that shows you program details ("Search IMDB" and "Search TV.com"), those require a separate patch

[16:52:54]

sphery:

ah, ok... one second

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sphery:

I guess I need to actually see how the MythWeb part works.

[16:53:58]

jarle:

sphery: and I do not get any covers.... will check the frontend now...

[17:00:52]

jarle:

sphery: I notice that tmdb.pl still uses the imdb id number as the filename for the cover art?

[17:01:00]

sphery:

right

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sphery:

that's a whole different issue that will be solved eventually with some changes Anduin is making

[17:01:31]

sphery:

jarle: how do you even do the MythWeb imdb stuff?

[17:01:44]

sphery:

I click the button and nothing happens (regardless of imdb.pl script)

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jarle:

sphery: When you select mythvideo, you should get a list of all your videos, you get so far?

[17:03:38]

sphery:

yeah...

[17:03:44]

sphery:

think I found the problem, though

[17:03:45]

ikonia:

chaps, are there any recommended / regular tools used that can test TV card signal, my mythtv setup is complaining of no signal on the channel scan so I'd like to do some better debugging

[17:03:49]

sphery:

movie isn't in imdb or tmdb

[17:03:52]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I stand corrected...

[17:05:47]

sphery:

It is in there...

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sphery:

So I have no idea how to make it work

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jarle:

sphery: you press the IMDB button and nothing happens?

[17:08:16]

sphery:

ikonia: the linuxdvb tools are probably your best bet (I'm assuming digital TV because you're doing a channel scan)

[17:08:32]

sphery:

jarle: yeah, it spins the throbber for a second, then nothing changes...

[17:08:53]

jarle:

sphery: it uses the filename as the title to search for by default, so if the filename is anything else than the title you need to select "custom search"

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ikonia:

sphery: thanks

[17:09:05]

sphery:

it is the title

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sphery:

identical to what's on imdb and tmdb

[17:10:31]

sphery:

the person who thought of animating an image morph using JavaScript should be shot

[17:11:17]

sphery:

jarle: what's the status in your httpd logs for a successful search?

[17:11:24]

jarle:

sphery: you could try running the script on a frontend running on the same system as mythweb to verify if the script works or not

[17:11:45]

sphery:

all works from the command-line

[17:12:17]

sphery:

and tmdb.pl worked in MythVideo Video Manager without problems

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jarle:

sphery: 192.168.1.100 – jarle [04/Apr/2009:19:13:11 +0200] "GET /mythweb/video/imdb?action=metadata&id=9912 HTTP/1.1" 200 859 "http://mythbox/mythweb/video?path=%2Fmnt%2Fvi . . . nor%2F" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.8) Gecko/2009032712 Ubuntu/8.04 (hardy) Firefox/3.0.8"

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jarle:

sphery: from the access.log of apache

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sphery:

anyway, I'm getting HTTP status 221--and I have no idea what that even means...

[17:16:50]

jarle:

sphery: it fails to download cover, I only get data

[17:16:54]

sphery:

oh, heh, that's not the status--that's the number of bytes sent...

[17:17:09]

sphery:

I'm not even getting data--even with the original imdb.pl

[17:17:28]

jarle:

sphery: network problem?

[17:17:37]

sphery:

what happens when you press the IMDB button

[17:17:48]

sphery:

i.e. in the browser, what do you see?

[17:17:53]

sphery:

does it refresh or anything?

[17:18:03]

jarle:

sphery: I get a list of titles to select from

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jarle:

sphery: I get a green floating "window"

[17:19:01]

sphery:

what if there's only one result?

[17:19:39]

jarle:

sphery: somehow I often get several identical results to select from :)

[17:20:10]

sphery:

wonder if popup blocking has an effect

[17:20:41]

sphery:

how would you do this custom search?

[17:20:49]

sphery:

edit title, then imdb

[17:22:21]

jarle:

sphery: when you get this green floating window you get a link at the bottom saying "custom search"

[17:22:41]

sphery:

I /really/ wish I could get that green floating window

[17:22:45]

sphery:

only get it when I click edit

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jarle:

sphery: if you are running noscript that could probably stop it from working

[17:23:45]

sphery:

no extensions... I'll try enabling all the JS and popup stuff.

[17:23:52]

jarle:

sphery: try a different web-browser

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jarle:

sphery: when it WORKS it is much more comfortable using mythweb than the videomanager in the frontend

[17:25:18]

sphery:

firefox is the only one I have installed

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** jarle uses firefox too **

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sphery:

jarle: I'm not going to be able to debug it as I can't even get the MythWeb stuff to work.

[17:35:38]

sphery:

Might have to have kormoc help or something

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jarle:

sphery: ok

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wagnerrp:

you try to explain to someone why some MOV will play and some MKV wont... you keep requesting the x264 settings block from the beginning of the h264 stream... and they just wont give it to you

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kormoc:

They're not popups, just dom elements, so popup blockers don't affect it

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kormoc:

jarle, what are you attempting to do?

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sphery:

we applied the patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6390 to make tmdb.pl work even with the old imdb.pl options, then made imdb.pl a link to tmdb.pl

[17:37:44]

sphery:

he says it doesn't work with MythWeb that way

[17:38:06]

jarle:

kormoc: I'm trying to get mythweb to work 100% with mythweb, and sphery is unable to help me debug as he can't get it to work at all :)

[17:38:10]

sphery:

And I'm having issues debugging it because when I click IMDB, nothing happens

[17:39:14]

jarle:

kormoc: using tmdb.pl in mythweb I get it to grab metadata, but it does not grab cover art

[17:40:46]

kormoc:

Rgr, let me apply said patch and see if I can reproduce

[17:50:11]

sphery:

kormoc: set up a .netrc so I could use wget to send the request and see what was coming back, and I'm getting: http://pastebin.ca/1381954

[17:50:26]

sphery:

So, I think I can figure out my config issue

[17:50:39]

kormoc:

snaz

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kormoc:

And that's an easy fix too...

[17:51:07]

sphery:

Though handling the error and letting the user know what just happened would probably be very nice for most users :)

[17:51:34]

sphery:

(not asking you to do that now, but just mentioning it so it can go on a list somewhere ;)

[17:52:27]

kormoc:

Yeah, I didn't think that bit'o logic very well

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sphery:

also, would it make sense to look at the MythVideo settings if IMDB isn't set and just /try/ the script path for MovieListCommandLine, MovieDataCommandLine, and MoviePosterCommandLine

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kormoc:

sphery, [20304]

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kormoc:

Yeah, it would

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sphery:

those are the unfortunately-named MythVideo-related-settings that don't start with Video

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sphery:

kormoc: wow, that was fast

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kormoc:

that /should/ give you a valid error message

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sphery:

stupid trac putting Ctrl-M's on the Unified Diff's

[17:58:22]

** sphery wonders if he submitted the changes to the settings... **

[17:58:29]

kormoc:

That's what does that?

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** kormoc blinks **

[17:58:51]

kormoc:

I always assumed it was a line ending issue

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sphery:

Pretty sure it's trac

[17:59:15]

sphery:

If you use svn to download the diff, it doesn't have them

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kormoc:

ahh, fun

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sphery:

hmmm... I was hoping that changeset would apply to -fixes without mods, but it doesn't seem to do anything--unless I have to reload the MythVideo page...

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kormoc:

shouldn't

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sphery:

shouldn't work or shouldn't require changes?

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GlemSom:

I just created a new transcoding profile... just to test with (called test_transcode). Is it possible to use that profile to transcode an already recorded show? I tried using Media -> Job Options -> Begin Transcode But that only gave me the 3 pre-defined transcoders to choose from – (low, medium and high quality). But I cannot select my custom created "test_transcode"...

[18:02:06]

kormoc:

sphery, so if you install firebug, it's a firefox plugin, it makes debugging this stuff amazingly easy

[18:02:09]

kormoc:

shouldn't require a reload

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sphery:

ah

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** sphery starts up a 2nd instance of firefox that he can restart **

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sphery:

kormoc: do I want Console logging or Script logging (probably not Net monitoring, right)

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kormoc:

Console at a min, but I typically just enable them all. Net can help you track down non-ajax networking issues (missind css/images/etc)

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sphery:

I'm starting to think--because of the size of the MythVideo library on the system I'm using to test--it may have actually been faster to compile/install -fixes on my dev box and make a fake MythVideo directory than debug on an "already set up" -fixes system

[18:15:16]

kormoc:

heh sad

[18:16:47]

sphery:

so, how would I use Firebug to see why nothing happens when I click the IMDB link

[18:17:51]

kormoc:

So in the console tab, when you click the imdb link, you should see a request popup in there

[18:18:16]

kormoc:

once it finishes (the spinner stops) you can expand it (click on it) and click the result tab and see what the server dumped to us

[18:18:26]

kormoc:

you can also see if the JSON decoding failed or the like

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sphery:

d'oh... I was in the "Script" tab--thinking, "Well, it's all JavaScripty things..."

[18:19:33]

sphery:

Fatal error: Class 'JSON' not found in /srv/www/htdocs/myth/modules/video/imdb.php on line 24

[18:19:38]

sphery:

may just be a -fixes thing...

[18:21:07]

sphery:

though I'm thinking--since JSON is used elsewhere in the script, it may actually be a pre-existing bug in -fixes

[18:21:25]

kormoc:

hrm

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sphery:

Oh, how I long for debugging in a language I actually understand... :)

[18:22:02]

kormoc:

do you have JSON in myth/classes?

[18:22:05]

sphery:

(actually, it's all the stuff on top of the PHP that's tough, here--the AJAX libs and prototip and ...

[18:22:11]

kormoc:

hehe

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sphery:

-fixes doesn't seem to have mythweb/classes dir

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kormoc:

ooh!

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kormoc:

wow

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

yeah, I remember now

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kormoc:

we targeted php 5.1 for -trunk, 4 for -fixes

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kormoc:

doh

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sphery:

guess this isn't /that/ important... If people haven't had that many issues with -fixes, yet, it's probably not worth cleaning it all up

[18:24:08]

sphery:

just figured if we switch things to tmdb.pl on -fixes, the more verbosity for errors, the better...

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

I can backport things, it's just not gonna be a direct copy tho

[18:24:48]

sphery:

I say ignore the past and look to the future--trunk!

[18:25:14]

sphery:

but I learned much about debugging, so perhaps I can be more helpful for you in the future. :)

[18:26:41]

kormoc:

heh, it's fun when you know what's up

[18:26:44]

sphery:

now to the "why doesn't tmdb.pl work with MythWeb"

[18:26:57]

sphery:

yeah, much better now that I made progress once...

[18:27:17]

sphery:

I felt /very/ ignorant when starting with it.

[18:28:16]

sphery:

So should the Path to imdb.pl be the file path or directory path?

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kormoc:

filepath

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sphery:

thx...

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sphery:

much quicker than waiting for the whole MythVideo page to reload 2x (and I had chosen the wrong one, so I would have had to :)

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sphery:

kormoc: I'm getting, "Fatal error: Class 'JSON' not found in /srv/www/htdocs/myth/modules/video/imdb.php on line 24

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sphery:

even on https://edieinc.net/myth/video/imdb?action=metadata&id=617

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kormoc:

with -trunk?

[18:36:20]

sphery:

nope... with -fixes

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sphery:

but othe rpeopel said that the imdb lookups worked on -fixes

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

I'm gonna need to check out -fixes and see what's going on

[18:37:11]

sphery:

may actually be a problem with my config.

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meshe:

is there a howto on getting a lossless commercial removal? i want to do that then spawn handbrake to transcode to iphone

[18:37:28]

sphery:

oh, and this is with the patched -fixes...

[18:37:38]

sphery:

let me remove that (the one that put JSON in line 24)...

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jarle:

kormoc: I'm using -fixes and the only thing that does not seem to work i cover art...

[18:39:50]

meshe:

i think i found it

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sphery:

meshe: just check the "lossless" checkbox on the transcode profile

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sphery:

jarle: I'm getting, "Error at /srv/www/htdocs/myth/modules/video/imdb.php, line 59: Invalid argument supplied for foreach()

[18:41:03]

meshe:

sphery: yeah, i don't think i have the transcoders set up

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sphery:

which falls back to the error, "Fatal Error, IMDB was not set in the settings table, please set it via the settings tab."

[18:41:23]

sphery:

meshe: ah, for lossless, it's /really/ easy--once you check lossless, there are no options

[18:41:38]

sphery:

the hard part is figuring out which profile to check it on (i.e. which one will get run :)

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sphery:

I can't help with that part, though--been too long

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meshe:

is it possible to set up mythtranscode as a user job so i know the output filename and can do && ./HandBrake...

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sphery:

while it's possible, I think you're better off doing a normal mythtranscode (as some special arguments are passed when it's done from inside Myth) and having the user job /just/ do handbrake stuff... see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_job

[18:44:40]

sphery:

ah, but you're wanting to do this after editing commbreaks as a single job to kick off...

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meshe:

yeah

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sphery:

I think you can just kick off a normal transcode, then it goes in the queue, then kick of userjob1 (handbrake) and it will get queued after (and, even if your system(s) can process both jobs at the same time, they won't because the file is already in use)

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sphery:

both are kick-off-able from the GUI

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meshe:

cool, i'm hoping to be able to have it all automatically done ie: record -> commflag -> lossless transcode remove commercials -> handbrake -> scp to iphone

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sphery:

kormoc: huh, strange... I get the Fatal Error, then I get a couple more requests, that have the fatal error, but also have all the data

[18:47:11]

meshe:

i'll mess around with it, it may be hard to know when commflagging is done

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sphery:

jarle: figure out what you meant by links to imdb.com... in the movie info where it shows the inetref

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meshe:

hmmm: In the 0.20 release of MythTV, you can specify a custom command-line option for both the commercial flagging job and the transcoding job

[18:50:05]

meshe:

disable commflagging, create one user job with a shell script to do the above

[18:50:13]

sphery:

yeah, you can do it in 0.21-fixes, also, but you really shouldn't if you don't need to as the built-in transcode and commflag jobs do some advanced things

[18:50:33]

sphery:

i.e. providing updates on progress, etc.

[18:50:58]

meshe:

iirc you can disable commflagging on a specific recording schedule

[18:52:05]

sphery:

kormoc: ignore my commend about the extra ones with the data--they were lookups from mouseovers

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meshe:

yup, it looks like i can do it, disable auto-flag commercials and write a user job script that does commflag, transcode and handbrake

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meshe:

per recording schedule

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sphery:

this is getting /very/ annoying... I can't get the settings page to save the web_video_imdb_type and web_video_imdb_path to my session

[19:06:11]

sphery:

Edit settings for is wrong...

[19:07:01]

sphery:

didn't affect it.

[19:07:41]

** jarle needs a break, good luck solving the problem sphery and kormoc **

[19:08:04]

sphery:

you mean, "good luck saving the settings so you can /start/ looking at the problem, sphery"

[19:13:50]

sphery:

yay! I got it working

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sphery:

now to see why the poster doesn't work

[19:20:32]

sphery:

d'oh... getting the tmdb.pl error that meshe just fixed yesterday... "Not an ARRAY reference..."

[19:26:42]

sphery:

meshe: feel like looking into another (identical) issue with tmdb.pl? Not an ARRAY reference at ./tmdb.pl line 182 (happens with ./tmdb.pl -D 1126596 )

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sphery:

seems to be cast stuff this time

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sphery:

jarle: everything works fine here--lookup, data, posters... If you're having issues, it's not because of the 0.21-fixes stuff, it's because tmdb.pl is broken for the video you're looking up...

[19:35:36]

sphery:

jarle: please post to the list with the name of the video for which it's failing.

[19:41:03]

meshe:

sphery: yeah, i'll look at it, i need to go out in a few so if it takes longer than a few minutes it'll have to wait until tonight

[19:42:13]

sphery:

meshe: thanks... I tried to "port" your changes from the other place to that place, but it was way beyond my perl abilities

[19:44:37]

meshe:

is there a ticket for it?

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sphery:

meshe: no... I figured it would make sense to just upload it as an updated patch for #6421, but if you want I can create a ticket

[19:51:56]

meshe:

that's fine, i'll update 6421

[19:52:29]

meshe:

i can't do it now, as we have family plans, but a cursory glance at the rest of the code shows this will come up again, i'll review the whole script and fix it all over

[19:52:31]

sphery:

kormoc: BTW, no need to test tmdb.pl in -fixes... It's working great (except when tmdb.pl, itself, fails--but that's not MythWeb's fault).

[19:52:51]

kormoc:

snaz

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sphery:

meshe: sweet... If you get all those issues sorted out preemptively, it will make the 0.21-fixes transition to tmdb.pl /much/ easier for everyone

[19:53:17]

sphery:

kormoc: so, sorry for wasting so much of your time... :)

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, I suggest sphery :) (re: #mythtv)

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kormoc:

no problems at all!

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sphery:

BTW, I have /no/ idea why MythWeb's IMDB stuff just started working--I didn't change /anything/ and it just started working.

[19:54:31]

gbee:

mythweather randomly doesn't work for me with mythweb

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sphery:

it did the same for me... set it up and it worked... then set it up on a friend's system and it worked, then it just stopped working on his system

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sphery:

I'll look into that one day

[19:57:39]

meshe:

patch and comment updated on 6421

[19:58:06]

xris:

sphery: I'm still using imdb.pl in my mythweb

[19:58:10]

sphery:

gbee: btw, meshe said a cursory glance at tmdb.pl shows there will be similar issues at several places in the code, so when she gets a chance she'll review the whole script

[19:58:43]

sphery:

xris: with http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6390 and a symlink called imdb.pl referring to tmdb.pl, you /could/ be using tmdb.pl (on either -fixes or trunk)

[20:00:13]

sphery:

I sure hope gbee doesn't stop ignoring his ticket list... I'd hate for him to lose his will to work on Myth.

[20:00:29]

xris:

sphery: yeah. haven't had time to get tmdb.pl really working. PyIMDB only recently got added to fedora, and it's still "testing"

[20:00:38]

sphery:

gbee: I'll make a mental note not to ask you to apply any more patches. :)

[20:01:46]

sphery:

xris: is Fedora using it in the right way--where it hits a copy of the IMDb database--or are they hitting the IMDb site and ignoring the ToS?

[20:02:11]

xris:

er, make that IMDbPY — and I have no idea.

[20:02:19]

sphery:

just curious

[20:02:29]

xris:

and now that I think of it, I'm not sure why that has to do with tmdb.pl.. I'm thinkin of the imdb.py script

[20:02:45]

sphery:

heh, I figured that, but you interested me in the other part

[20:03:29]

gbee:

sphery: just a mood swing, if justinh can have one per day, I figure I'm entitled to a couple or more a year ;)

[20:04:09]

xris:

heh

[20:04:17]

sphery:

Heh... As much effort as you put into Myth, I completely understand your position on the ticket list.

[20:04:20]

xris:

sphery: there, applied your patch for you. :)

[20:04:29]

sphery:

the #6390 patch?

[20:04:41]

xris:

yeah

[20:04:57]

sphery:

Sweet! Now I can change http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl and make things a /ton/ easier for -users

[20:05:13]

sphery:

And it will work for MythWeb for them, too!

[20:05:40]

gbee:

just needs backporting now

[20:05:47]

sphery:

yeah...

[20:06:01]

xris:

yup. I'm all for cross-compatilbility

[20:06:08]

xris:

compatibility

[20:06:23]

xris:

plus, I should have at least one commit/month average.... heh

[20:06:42]

iamlindoro__:

Now you can quit until May

[20:06:50]

xris:

no, I have a lot of catching up to do.

[20:06:53]

iamlindoro__:

;)

[20:06:56]

sphery:

gbee: All it takes to "backport" it is copying tmdb.pl and MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm into the MythVideo scripts dir --and then figuring out whether to link imdb.pl to tmdb.pl or to make a copy of tmdb.pl called imdb.pl

[20:07:35]

xris:

sphery: why isn't that in with the perl bindings?

[20:08:06]

sphery:

xris: good question... Perhaps so Anduin could start small and grow it into something more useful?

[20:08:16]

meshe:

ok, i'm heading out, if any other issues come up with it attach it to that ticket

[20:08:31]

iamlindoro__:

Was under the impression it was new for .22

[20:08:32]

xris:

I've been slacking on the perl bindings lately, too. on everything, even.

[20:08:35]

sphery:

meshe: OK, I'll put a comment about the cast issue on there...

[20:08:36]

xris:

stupid day job getting in the way.

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xris:

need percdata.com corporate customers to start moving more quickly

[20:08:52]

iamlindoro__:

It's only got a single commit history from 7 months ago

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: it is new , but may make sense to put it in the "real" perl bindings rather than in MythVideo so that it will even work for those selinux folks (who can't use "./" in their perl INC dir)

[20:09:33]

xris:

then again, my wife made $60 from her blog last month... that almost covers expenses.. well, maybe 25% of them. heh

[20:10:02]

iamlindoro__:

Heh, read that file, too, at least some of it needs ripping out

[20:10:21]

sphery:

I'm sure Anduin has plans for it in the "mega grabber overhaul"

[20:10:38]

iamlindoro__:

almost everything after line 97 can pretty much get removed AFAICT

[20:12:09]

xris:

sphery: would also mean that it goes directly into the perl include path

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Anduin:

the bindings are optional, grabber scripts don't currently depend on them, that was the only reason

[20:12:16]

xris:

ahh

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Anduin:

it is just a perl module that saves some of the duplicate work for the n perl grabbers, not really anything nice yet

[20:13:14]

xris:

Anduin: could wrap a makefile.pl around it so that it installs in a global location, though

[20:13:19]

xris:

that'd be easy enough to do

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Anduin:

I didn't see the need

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Anduin:

I don't have a problem with it moving to the bindings, them as a dep for the grabbers is fine, I was mostly in to less work for me at the time.

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iamlindoro__:

So whaddaya say, Anduin, is it my lucky weekend? :)

[20:18:13]

thejpster:

Hey. I was on a week or two ago, complaining about BBC HD playing back (live or recordings) with a copy of the video in the upper-left corner.

[20:18:23]

thejpster:

I've made a discovery.

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thejpster:

If you watch the first few seconds of video, before it pops up by itself, pressing F2 makes the small version appear.

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thejpster:

and obviously, brings up the BBC text panel on the RHS

[20:19:42]

thejpster:

quarter-screen is how the picture is shown when you're on say, the sport pages of BBC text.

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gbee:

well you should probably disable recording mheg with the recording profile, obviously doesn't solve it for livetv but our resident mheg expert isn't around much

[20:21:55]

thejpster:

DIsabling "Interactive TV" in TV Settings / Playback OSD has done the trick.

[20:22:04]

thejpster:

I didn't realise I could simply not record it.

[20:23:42]

gbee:

if you're not interested in Interactive stuff at all then just disable the recording for both livetv/recordings, saves a bit of space

[20:24:43]

thejpster:

so "TV Only" instead of "Normal"

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thejpster:

well, I can watch Heroes now. ttfn.

[20:25:44]

gbee:

aye

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xris:

Anduin: I'd offer to get it moved over for you, but if I promise and don't deliver, you'll be disappointed. So I'll just warn you in advance that it might move.. if I can find some time. :)

[20:34:49]

Anduin:

xris: Yup, maybe I'll get around to it eventually as well

[20:35:08]

Anduin:

iamlindoro__: Yes, should happen today

[20:35:34]

iamlindoro__:

Anduin, Nice, thanks :)

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sphery:

meshe: You're /way/ too efficient--you got the the new patch /before/ I even got time to make a comment in the ticket. Thanks.

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iamlindoro__:

Now your talents must be abused mercilessly until you are a burnt out shell of a woman.

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, Speaking of which, I have a TVDB bug if you're interested

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sphery:

heh... I just have to remind you that it was iamlindoro__ --not me--who originally got you involved in patching the "Not an ARRAY" stuff in tmdb.pl, so when you're burned out, blame him.

[20:48:11]

iamlindoro__:

Actually, you can blame spehry as after that one fix I was satisfied

[20:48:16]

iamlindoro__:

sphery, that is

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I am always interested, not happy but interested:)

[20:49:35]

sphery:

But once someone fixes one error, doesn't it become their responsibility to fix all similar errors? Or, once someone ports one page to mythui, doesn't it become their responsibility to finish the whole conversion? (That's what gbee's actions have shown me.)

[20:50:02]

iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, http://rafb.net/p/tikDEn36.html

[20:50:12]

iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, episode is "Blackpool 1x01"

[20:50:26]

RDV_Linux:

Taking a look

[20:50:35]

iamlindoro__:

As it seems it might get committed today, better look quick ;)

[20:50:57]

iamlindoro__:

or the cycle of tickets will begin anew and you'll end up a burnt out shell of a man like sphery

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: s/genres_string != None and genres_string != ''/genres != None and genres != ''/

[20:53:23]

sphery:

Today I was supposed to spend my time working on my big project so I could enjoy the evening without that nagging worry about a power failure making that project harder (long story, but if either of the 2 systems in use shut down, I have to redo a lot of what I've done so far). But, at least I got some Myth stuff done.

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RDV_Linux:

I will issue a patch tomorrow

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, Might be worth tarring up another copy today if you can

[20:54:06]

iamlindoro__:

but obviously only if you are able

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iamlindoro__:

As it may be one of your last chances before commit

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iamlindoro__:

anyhoo, off to park with dog

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RDV_Linux:

There was a little more to patch then that one line. I will patch it properly tomorrow with proper testing.

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asperon:

hi guys, i couldn't find a ivtv channel, so i thought id ask here. When i tune my channels, they are always full of static/jumping. Is there a way to fine tune ivtv since it is the same for all the channels? i am using a hauppauge 250?

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sphery:

asperon: fine tuning is almost never necessary as the hardware fine-tuning will take care of any offset that's small enough to correct with a fine-tune

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sphery:

asperon: you most likely have chosen the wrong frequency table

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sphery:

asperon: which frequency table did you choose?

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asperon:

sphery: europe-west

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asperon:

i have had this working before, but somehow messed it up

[21:03:30]

asperon:

and now i've spent a coupld of hours without getting it to work :(

[21:03:53]

asperon:

i should be using Tuner 0, right? i remember something aboule cable/antenna?!

[21:04:16]

sphery:

I don't know anything about European freq tables, so I'll just say if you want to play with the finetune, it's on page 2 of the channel editor (for /each/ channel) in mythtv-setup.

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sphery:

type in the frequency offset in kilohertz

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asperon:

sphery: ok, thnx

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asperon:

i have a freq table, and they match the ones suggested by ivtv, still the image is jumpy on all channels

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sphery:

yeah, I'm thinking it's something else

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asperon:

so do i

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sphery:

asperon: do you have your Playback Profile group set to something sensible? I /highly/ recommend Slim.

[21:12:12]

sphery:

It's in TV Settings|Playback on like page 3

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asperon:

ill have a look

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sphery:

If you have it set to CPU+ , that's likely the problem/

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asperon:

but i have this problem if i just do cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg as well, so i dont think its myth really

[21:13:06]

sphery:

OK, then it's not the playback profile... :)

[21:13:13]

asperon:

yeah

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sphery:

sure you've got a good signal/good connection to the card?

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asperon:

i remember doing something with cable vs antenna at some point, but i cant remember

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asperon:

acctually, no, i haven't check that, perhaps i should to that first, so that it aint the cable

[21:14:02]

asperon:

brb

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justinh:

the other thing about framegrabber tuners is.. they're crap & often aren't able to get a good picture _and_ good audio at the same time :P

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justinh:

I remember messing around with showshifter & a bttv based tuner for _days_ & still didn't get it tuned properly on all 4 analogue channels

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asperon:

cable is good

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asperon:

justinh: thing is, i have had this setup working, and they i messed it up, and now its just been ours without getting it to work

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asperon:

from what i can tell it tunes to the right channels, its just a little bit of

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schlazor:

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gbee:

ok, now I'm confused, conflict tomorrow when there shouldn't be one ... it has three tuners available, 1x DVB-S 2x DVB-T, first two recordings are available on all three tuners (both sources), third is only available on Sat ... but it's trying to record everthing from Sat and leaving the DVB-T tuners idle

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, so is Blackpool as much of a dump as it's protrayed in the BBC series?

[21:56:47]

iamlindoro__:

er portrayed

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: pretty much, seaside town that was big 40/50 years back but which failed to evole as tastes changed and cheap air travel made holidays on the beaches of Spain more appealing

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gbee:

evolve

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, Ahhh, yeah, sounds about right

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iamlindoro__:

Atalntic City here

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iamlindoro__:

er Atlantic City

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gbee:

IIRC it's similar story to Coney Island too

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: absolutely. you need smell-o-vision to fully appreciate it though. the reek of parmesan on every street

[22:00:40]

justinh:

only you know it's not parmesan

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gbee:

the community have struggled to maintain some relevance as a tourist destination, mainly through cheap arcades and it's amusment park rides instead of just moving on and finding another industry

[22:01:03]

iamlindoro__:

hahah, I guess I'll have to "live" with my imagination then :)

[22:01:15]

iamlindoro__:

That's sad, though

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justinh:

that said, last time I was there was a few years ago. it's prolly got worse since

[22:01:53]

iamlindoro__:

TVDB doesn't seem to have a cover, and there's no obvious online soruce, will probably need to scan my own

[22:02:03]

iamlindoro__:

hmm, hope linux scanning has gotten better since last I tried it

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justinh:

it's still popular with stag & hen parties though, and that must say something

[22:02:44]

justinh:

damn, seems I can't find any paid for sources (i.e. legit) of tv theme music

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iamlindoro__:

Oooh! That was pleasantly easy-- plug in scanner, open XSane, hit preview, tadaa

[22:03:57]

justinh:

wait til you hit scan

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iamlindoro__:

heh, indeed, don't count my chickens

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: a lot of buildings in Blackpool manage to conveniently burn down

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sveinung:

i'm buying some new hardware. Anyone here able to play HD via wifi? What products?

[22:06:11]

justinh:

what's wifi?

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sveinung:

wireless networking

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gbee:

synonym of smelly

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jarle:

sveinung: playing regular DVDs are hard enough over wifi...

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, Heh, it really *does* sounds like a lot of former 1920's Eastern US coastal towns

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iamlindoro__:

er sound

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justinh:

well, divide the bitrate of the aitch dee by 8, think of a number & multiply that by 1.5, add the first number you thought of – then just go & buy some wired networking stuff

[22:08:40]

Toast1:

Does anyone know what a myth backend will do if it comes up and it's recording directories are unavailable?

[22:08:45]

gbee:

so, no ideas why scheduling is so broken?

[22:09:24]

sveinung:

jarle: Yes, but there are products out claming 100mb/s and if they can deliver 20 it should be enough for my HD recordings

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iamlindoro__:

sveinung, Surprising as it might be, you are not the first person to think of trying myth over WiFi-- while it is in theory possible, the myriad of outside, uncontrollable external factors make it really really unreliable

[22:10:28]

jarle:

sveinung: wifi speed tend to degrade at the same rate as the quality of the signal does

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iamlindoro__:

Everyone here cautioning against it (including self) likely speaks from experience :)

[22:11:12]

iamlindoro__:

first time soneone walks their dog or a car drives by and your old lady doesn't get to watch her soaps today

[22:11:49]

justinh:

hell I'm in the same ROOM as my wireless router & I'm damned if I can stream SDTV over it to my laptop in linux. sucks ain't the word

[22:11:50]

sveinung:

iamlindoro: well, thats why i came here with questions...

[22:12:07]

iamlindoro__:

sveinung, The answer to the questions is "Don't do that." ;)

[22:13:00]

justinh:

and this is a '54.0Mbps' connection

[22:13:29]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I fixed the bug you reported and submitted the new version 0.9.1 plus updated the wiki page. Thanks for the bug report. Is ttvdb that close to being committed? I thought the interface had to be rewritten.

[22:14:14]

iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, Looks like my changes have some chance of going in today, and they're useless without yours :)

[22:14:31]

RDV_Linux:

Got it, happy to of service.

[22:14:32]

iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, The interface needs to be rewritten when the meta stuff gets rewritten, but that's not today

[22:14:40]

iamlindoro__:

anyhoo, thanks a lot for the fix

[22:15:14]

iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, I think the grabber behavior rewrite is on the "hopeful" list for .22 but that's not stopping functional improvements from making it in

[22:15:31]

iamlindoro__:

Otherwise there wouldn't be a tmdb script either :)

[22:15:59]

RDV_Linux:

I will be around when things change health willing.

[22:16:14]

iamlindoro__:

I am sure you shall :)

[22:16:49]

iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, It's a really nicely functioning script, congratulations in advance

[22:18:06]

iamlindoro__:

Hmm, scanning in linux still suffers from the same weakness as most things in linux-- too many toggle switches, all at the top level

[22:18:32]

gbee:

keen to see that stuff make trunk now that I've started keeping some TV series in mythvideo

[22:18:36]

justinh:

bloody hell. you want dirge like Leona ducking Lewis & there are zillions of choices of version.. but one ickle telly theme from the 1980s.. rrrrrrr

[22:18:45]

RDV_Linux:

With all thetvdb.com downtime this week I could not fully test my new metadata maintenance script so it will be a few days late. Hopefully people will find it very useful especially when migrating to the new Mythui.

[22:19:08]

gbee:

justinh: which one?

[22:19:21]

iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, yeah, some automation in filling all the legacy data will be great

[22:19:31]

justinh:

gbee: silly.. Whicker's World

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justinh:

it'll be on a BBC themes CD no doubt.. £££

[22:20:09]

RDV_Linux:

Just a tease it will do a lot more then that, tune in next week;-)

[22:21:31]

gbee:

justinh: looking for kosher?

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justinh:

gbee: if possible

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justinh:

that's what's making it so hard :)

[22:22:28]

iamlindoro__:

Well damn if I can't figure out how to upload an image to TVDB

[22:23:19]

justinh:

crap what happened to the bbc shop? they used to sell all sorts of bbc junk

[22:23:31]

iamlindoro__:

ah, need to log in

[22:24:35]

gbee:

yeah, I can't remember the original, not even sure I'd know if even if I heard it ... found three versions (completely different tunes, all labelled WW) none of which seem legal :/

[22:25:10]

justinh:

Threshold is the name of the one I want, by Graham De Wilde

[22:25:32]

gbee:

http://www.televisiontunes.com/Whickers_World . . . eshold).html ?

[22:25:55]

justinh:

oops

[22:25:58]

justinh:

Newsweek I meant

[22:26:05]

gbee:

http://www.televisiontunes.com/Whickers_World_-_Newsweek.html

[22:26:09]

justinh:

it's on that site in crappy format

[22:26:12]

justinh:

that's it

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justinh:

I have the Mastermix TV Sets discs 1 to 6 box set, but it's on disc 7 :P

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gbee:

"The Best of BBC-TV's Themes"

[22:29:16]

gbee:

heh, released in '87

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gbee:

ok, I'm not helping much

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eric_:

so i got myth to work, but then rebooted and now it doesn't

[22:32:16]

gbee:

http://www.bobleroi.co.uk/Sales/CDs/MCD_057.html

[22:32:46]

gbee:

huh, odd, the track listing is different :/

[22:32:59]

gbee:

oh, maybe not

[22:33:09]

justinh:

not fussed, has the one I want. cheers

[22:34:09]

justinh:

oo Life & Loves Of A She-Devil too. nifty

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justinh:

FFS. Just randomly googled my street & found a PDF detailing names of all the owners on a local gov website

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justinh:

dodgy

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gbee:

hmm, internal file accidently exposed? Violates the DPA

[22:38:52]

justinh:

wouldn't care but that council isn't even the one I pay tax to

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justinh:

hard to say if it's internal or not

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iamlindoro__:

eric_, Did the backend start?

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gbee:

looks more and more like I've hit a flaw in the scheduler, knowing that doesn't help me, I wouldn't know where to start fixing it

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iamlindoro__:

eric_, My guess is the mount we set up for your recordings drive didn't persist through the reboot

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eric_:

iamlindoro_: how would I know? Just in case I put mythbackend and it had an error in there that ther was no card

[22:44:16]

iamlindoro__:

eric_, erm, whuh-oh

[22:44:28]

iamlindoro__:

eric_, This is ubuntu, yes?

[22:44:29]

eric_:

when i start the frontend it's fine and when i enter watch tv it just goes back to the main screen

[22:44:33]

eric_:

linux mint

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iamlindoro__:

okay, ubuntu-ish

[22:44:40]

eric_:

ubunto deriv

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iamlindoro__:

eric_, sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart

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iamlindoro__:

eric_, sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

[22:45:28]

eric_:

i stopped the backend and went to setup and made sure the card was showing and now and am doing mythfilldatabase

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iamlindoro__:

eric_, tail -200 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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iamlindoro__:

then use www.rafb.net/paste to paste the output

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eric_:

okay 1 min

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justinh:

oof. these look very much like internal council docs

[22:47:25]

justinh:

regeneration plans for the area around the back. a map, with numbers on properties in one pdf. in another, the key

[22:47:32]

gbee:

if it were me, I'd hit up the ICO first

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eric_:

http://rafb.net/p/sMJIBG80.html

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iamlindoro__:

eric_, That all looks good

[22:50:03]

iamlindoro__:

try watching TV

[22:50:38]

iamlindoro__:

Well, it doesn't *all* look good

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eric_:

Now it works

[22:50:45]

iamlindoro__:

but the last part from the commands I had you run does

[22:51:19]

iamlindoro__:

Okay, looks like you may not have permissions to the video group

[22:51:43]

iamlindoro__:

can you do "ls -al /dev/video0" for me please?

[22:52:07]

iamlindoro__:

and also ls -al /dev/dvb/adapter0

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eric_:

http://rafb.net/p/G2Fqbf89.html

[22:52:52]

iamlindoro__:

In Ubuntu the devices come up such that anyone can read from them, not familiar with any peculiarities w/r/t Mint

[22:53:35]

iamlindoro__:

eric_, "sudo useradd -G video eric"

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eric_:

useradd: user eric exists

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iamlindoro__:

did you do -G?

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iamlindoro__:

oh sorry, duh

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eric_:

copied and pasted

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iamlindoro__:

eric_, "sudo useradd -a -G video eric"

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iamlindoro__:

my fault

[22:54:58]

eric_:

useradd: invalid option — 'a'

[22:54:58]

eric_:

Usage: useradd [options] LOGIN

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iamlindoro__:

that's cut and pasting my command?

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eric_:

yep

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iamlindoro__:

that's dumb, I'm like 99% certain on that command

[22:55:38]

iamlindoro__:

oh well, hang on

[22:55:50]

eric_:

http://rafb.net/p/bL24EI44.html

[22:56:15]

iamlindoro__:

Pffft, what does some well known command know that I don't? ;)

[22:56:27]

eric_:

lol

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iamlindoro__:

eric_, "sudo usermod -a -G video eric"

[22:56:57]

iamlindoro__:

again, my fault

[22:56:59]

eric_:

okay

[22:57:03]

iamlindoro__:

so anyway

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gbee:

!trout iamlindoro__

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** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro__ with a trout on behalf of gbee... **

[22:57:18]

iamlindoro__:

well deserved

[22:57:27]

eric_:

hehe

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iamlindoro__:

eric_, That's my shot in the dark guess as to why it didn't work, you can try a reboot and I'll stand by if you like

[22:58:27]

iamlindoro__:

for reference, to explain what we did, it looks like suer "eric" wasn't in the video group

[22:58:43]

iamlindoro__:

and that the permissions on those devices require at least group membership to access

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iamlindoro__:

so without that, mythbackend was sad

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eric_:

:) Rebooting, brb 1 min

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eric_:

okay it worked

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iamlindoro__:

cool

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** gbee is inspired to use smiley/sad faces to represent backend status in mythfrontend **

[23:04:04]

iamlindoro__:

gbee, New screen, on System Info MythUI port?

[23:04:10]

iamlindoro__:

er s/on/or/

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gbee:

and angry faces for when the users has mis-configured it

[23:04:22]

eric_:

great idea

[23:05:21]

gbee:

iamlindoro__: partially joking, but I wanted some prominent error feedback in the frontend

[23:05:23]

eric_:

eventually going to switch to dirctv, how much harder is that

[23:05:59]

iamlindoro__:

eric_, Only harder elements are a) your current capture device will be half as useful as you can only use the analog side, b) you will need an IR blaster to control their box

[23:06:31]

iamlindoro__:

gbee, I started eyeing MythGame as a simple MythUI project and then realized it's really more of a tear down/rebuild

[23:07:22]

gbee:

was thinking of combining it with the alert/rss/notify framework, basically having backends actively send out events when things go wrong which are displayed somewhere on screen no matter which screen you are in – so you get a warning when it goes wrong rather than passively learning of the problem after it's failed to record a weeks worth of TV

[23:07:26]

eric_:

one last silly question before I go tinker, for over the air digital can that be plugged in to my card?

[23:07:34]

eric_:

Hauppage 1600

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iamlindoro__:

eric_, Yep, absolutely

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iamlindoro__:

Using the digital side, of course

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iamlindoro__:

so you can do that when you go to satellite if you like

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eric_:

nice

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: GreyFoxx at one point started a complete rebuild around mythui, but I don't know what came of it and whether he plans to finish it in time for 0.22

[23:08:48]

eric_:

cool, going to go mess around with things. Probably be back with more questions.

[23:08:51]

eric_:

Thanks again!

[23:09:01]

iamlindoro__:

Pinged him about it yesterday with no response-- if it seems like there's no way he'll get to it in time I may have a go

[23:09:06]

iamlindoro__:

eric_, no problem

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gbee:

I wouldn't really know where to start, I can guess at what people want from a game launching plugin, but I'd rather the work was done by someone who has at least tried what's there now

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iamlindoro__:

I figure behaviorwise it's almost identical to MythMovies, and that a lot of the launcher bits can stay, someone else can build on that if so inclined

[23:10:52]

iamlindoro__:

ie build a MythUIbuttontree and populate it, add some mythUItextareas for the various bits of info, and maybe even fanart while I'm at it, and call it a day

[23:11:13]

gbee:

in it's current state yeah, it's mythmovies, but a mythvideo type behaviour and artwork is probably more suitable

[23:11:56]

iamlindoro__:

At least having some sort of tree view is sensible, though, it's a natural way of breaking down by platform, year, etc.

[23:12:11]

iamlindoro__:

without having to resort to a filter

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gbee:

for 0.22 a straight port would be enough, it's not really an important plugin

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iamlindoro__:

anyway, as I recalled he had done some work on it, so if there's any chance he'll do it, I'd happily not :)

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iamlindoro__:

nice domain

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Toast1:

I'm trying to compile myth, but I'm getting an error that I need a threaded QT installed. Is there a qt dependency I need to satify?

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, doesn't the former answer the latter?

[23:24:16]

iamlindoro__:

yet, you need multithreaded QT installed.

[23:24:33]

iamlindoro__:

er yes

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Toast1:

It strongly suggests there is one, but I'm having trouble finding which QT package to install.

[23:24:48]

iamlindoro__:

what distro?

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Toast1:

debian lenny

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, I so want to kickban that domain

[23:25:26]

iamlindoro__:

Toast1, "apt-cache search qt |grep mt"

[23:25:33]

iamlindoro__:

kormoc, I won't cry any tears if you do :)

[23:25:48]

iamlindoro__:

Toast1, I'm guessing something like libqt3-mt

[23:26:04]

iamlindoro__:

and of course the dev package of same

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Toast1:

Thanks.

[23:26:44]

iamlindoro__:

np

[23:26:55]

Toast1:

Should I add that to the list of dependences on the wiki?

[23:27:15]

iamlindoro__:

If there's some list that purports to be for debian lenny and it's missing, sure

[23:28:36]

iamlindoro__:

personally I never get why nobody teaches the debian based folks the magic of the build-dep command :)

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iamlindoro__:

build-dep is one of my few reasons for not branching out more than I have from apt distros

[23:30:08]

Toast1:

The page is generic. I'll add a note to the discussion page rather than the guide it's self.

[23:30:30]

Toast1:

I'll add build-dep to my to-google list :)

[23:30:49]

iamlindoro__:

Toast1, it's used with apt-get

[23:30:56]

iamlindoro__:

more or less apt-get build-dep somepackage

[23:31:03]

iamlindoro__:

will fetch all the deps for somepackage

[23:31:11]

iamlindoro__:

the build dependencies, that is

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Toast1:

but I'm trying to compile something that I don't have the package for.

[23:31:23]

iamlindoro__:

Toast1, It's in debian-multimedia

[23:31:41]

iamlindoro__:

if you don't want to build from source, just add the repository, apt-get update && apt-get install mythtv :)

[23:32:46]

iamlindoro__:

(or they may break it down as mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend, or mythtv-suite, or some such, but it's there :)

[23:32:50]

Toast1:

lamlindoro: I used to use the debian multimedia packages, but I'm rebuilding my server and wanted to be a bit more uptodate. Last time I tried to bring in all the dependences (I may have used build-dep) it killed mythtv-setup.

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iamlindoro__:

Toast1, No reason the *build* dependencies should hurt an existing build

[23:33:37]

iamlindoro__:

different set of deps :)

[23:34:08]

Toast1:

Perhaps not, but after that, I could open and interact with the programs, but they looked very wrong, to the point I couldn't use them

[23:34:29]

** iamlindoro__ shrugs **

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kormoc:

Toast1, so you're gonna install the deps one at a time and get a different outcome?

[23:35:00]

Toast1:

No, I'm going to install the deps and compile from source

[23:35:12]

Toast1:

I figure there must have been a conflict of some sort

[23:35:18]

Toast1:

or a miss configuration.

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iamlindoro__:

Maybe it was a Mr. Configuration. So sexist.

[23:35:30]

Toast1:

and I might just be lucky this time :)

[23:35:44]

Toast1:

:)

[23:36:21]

** kormoc waits to the 'Mr and Miss Mythtv' contest to start up **

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, that would be a many-to-one ration

[23:36:42]

iamlindoro__:

er ratio

[23:37:20]

kormoc:

so it appears that Winkie hasn't spoken when I've been in the room

[23:38:10]

** iamlindoro__ senses a "ding" off in the distance **

[23:38:29]

kormoc:

fo rhe past two years

[23:38:32]

kormoc:

*for

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kormoc:

heh

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android60:

how can i tell what version of mythtv i have installed?

[23:40:22]

kormoc:

mythfrontend --version?

[23:40:28]

kormoc:

mythbackend --version?

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android60:

ok thanks

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iamlindoro__:

strings /usr/bin/mythfrontend |grep "\.200"

[23:46:08]

iamlindoro__:

YES!

[23:46:22]

iamlindoro__:

I knew I could figure out a totally obfuscated way of getting the version

[23:46:56]

iamlindoro__:

That's my clever moment for the day

[23:47:08]

iamlindoro__:

th person, not the adjective

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android60:

lol

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