| Wednesday, April 1st, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:13] | sphery: | I /think/ Canada uses the same tables as the US (but I can't guarantee that)... What do you currently have selected? |
| [00:00:23] | BeowulfBC: | Default is my current selection |
| [00:00:35] | BeowulfBC: | Yes the Cnadian and US systems are identical AFAIK |
| [00:00:41] | BeowulfBC: | Then again Id on't know much |
| [00:00:45] | sphery: | and what do you have specified for Default (in General settings in mythtv-setup) |
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| [00:00:55] | BeowulfBC: | Default |
| [00:01:31] | sphery: | no, Default on a video source says to use the Default you've specified elsewhere |
| [00:01:38] | sphery: | you /must/ specify that default somewhere. |
| [00:01:43] | sphery: | let me find the exact places... |
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| [00:02:56] | SpaceBass: | hey folks |
| [00:03:32] | sphery: | BeowulfBC: In mythtv-setup, go to General, then on page 2, "Locale Settings," you'll see "Channel frequency table." There should /not/ be a selection "Default" in there. |
| [00:03:59] | SpaceBass: | As of yesterday MythWeb is only showing about 10% of my recorded videos |
| [00:04:00] | sphery: | If there is, it simply means someone wrote it directly to your DB (putting garbage data in there), so you need to change that one to "us-cable" (likely). |
| [00:04:16] | SpaceBass: | if disk space gets low, will myth dump old shows even if they were not flagged to expire? |
| [00:04:20] | sphery: | SpaceBass: Daylight Saving Time switch? |
| [00:05:08] | SpaceBass: | sphery, DST would cause me to lose 90% of my library? |
| [00:05:11] | sphery: | BeowulfBC: but you do want to set the video source frequency table to Default (once you set the default properly) |
| [00:05:34] | sphery: | SpaceBass: if 90% of your library was recording in standard time and you haven't configured MythWeb properly, then, yes... |
| [00:05:51] | SpaceBass: | these are stored files ... |
| [00:05:55] | sphery: | (Where, "yes," means it would cause MythWeb to make it /appear/ as if 90% of your library disappeared.) |
| [00:05:56] | SpaceBass: | past recordings that are now gone |
| [00:05:58] | BeowulfBC: | Tha tis in the back end setup correct? |
| [00:06:14] | sphery: | BeowulfBC: yeah, in mythtv-setup --you can't get to it from mythfrontend |
| [00:06:22] | sphery: | SpaceBass: the /files/ themselves are gone? |
| [00:06:36] | sphery: | SpaceBass: i.e. have you actually checked on the disk (i.e. not using MythWeb)? |
| [00:06:55] | sphery: | SpaceBass: but if you did just change to DST, then I will lay odds that you need to set the PHP time zone properly... |
| [00:07:28] | SpaceBass: | i've checked the disk and its hard to tell... but it looks like a good many are in fact gone |
| [00:07:46] | sphery: | SpaceBass: anyway, read the MythWeb README, which then references the INSTALL which tells you how to set the time zone |
| [00:07:53] | SpaceBass: | the machine itself uses NTP and updated appropriately, but not sure about myth |
| [00:08:17] | sphery: | SpaceBass: ls /path/to/recording/{dir1,dir2,dir3}/*.{mpg,nuv} | wc -l |
| [00:08:29] | SpaceBass: | the date in mythweb is also correct |
| [00:08:36] | sphery: | will tell you how many recording files you have (so you can compare that to what MythWeb says you have) |
| [00:09:33] | sphery: | SpaceBass: that doesn't mean that both Myth and MythWeb are using the same rules to apply DST... I.e. current times matching on both is /not/ an indication of proper configuration. |
| [00:10:02] | SpaceBass: | ill dig in, thanks |
| [00:10:10] | sphery: | SpaceBass: edit /etc/php.ini and set: date.timezone = America/New_York |
| [00:10:44] | sphery: | or whatever is appropriate--use whatever you get when you run the following on your master backend: cat /etc/timezone |
| [00:10:46] | BeowulfBC: | Thank sphery I totaly missed that going through the inital setup |
| [00:10:48] | BeowulfBC: | Makes sense now |
| [00:11:12] | sphery: | SpaceBass: assuming you're using a Debian-based distro, or, for Red-Hat-based: cat /etc/sysconfig/clock |
| [00:12:20] | sphery: | BeowulfBC: Yeah, the fact that there are 2 settings for the same thing can be confusing/makes it easy to miss them... The idea is to set a default, then you /only/ have to configure it on the video sources when they differ from default. |
| [00:12:49] | BeowulfBC: | Yeah if you had a European BUDS or some such peace of gear |
| [00:13:33] | iamlindoro_: | Basic Underwater Demolition School? |
| [00:13:43] | sphery: | Friends? |
| [00:13:51] | iamlindoro_: | Mary Jane? |
| [00:14:15] | sphery: | Or, perhaps now that some European company bought Anheuser Bush (sp?), a European Budweiser? |
| [00:14:26] | iamlindoro_: | Budvar! |
| [00:14:38] | iamlindoro_: | The original Budweiser |
| [00:14:39] | sphery: | isn't that where you get changed in the morning? |
| [00:14:47] | sphery: | in the Budvar? |
| [00:14:51] | iamlindoro_: | The boodvar! |
| [00:15:02] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.budvar.cz/en/index.html |
| [00:15:14] | BeowulfBC: | Big Ugly Dishes |
| [00:15:32] | iamlindoro_: | Well that's a BUD |
| [00:15:41] | BeowulfBC: | Plurlar |
| [00:15:44] | BeowulfBC: | Cause you love TV |
| [00:15:45] | BeowulfBC: | :D |
| [00:15:56] | iamlindoro_: | Then it wouldn't be "a" |
| [00:16:00] | iamlindoro_: | it would be "some" |
| [00:16:08] | iamlindoro_: | and the s should be lower case |
| [00:16:27] | iamlindoro_: | "had some European BUDs" |
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| [00:17:07] | iamlindoro_: | Your bill for this english lesson will be along shortly, don't worry about thanking me |
| [00:17:08] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [00:17:33] | BeowulfBC: | LOL I just dumb pilot I know not this engrish you speak of. |
| [00:20:08] | wagnerrp: | all pilots speak english well |
| [00:20:20] | wagnerrp: | any commercial ones anyway |
| [00:20:54] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: and, technically (though forgotten in contemporary writing), there should be an apostrophe before the s, so "BUD's" |
| [00:21:33] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, for a plural non-possessive noun? Not so. |
| [00:21:57] | BeowulfBC: | wagnerrp ever hear air china try and get a clearance? |
| [00:21:58] | iamlindoro_: | The apostrophe would make it possessive or a contraction. |
| [00:22:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: no, for a non-possessive pluralization of an acronym |
| [00:22:11] | BeowulfBC: | Once you do come on back and tell me that all pilots speak english well |
| [00:22:17] | sphery: | nope, not possessive with an acronym... |
| [00:22:21] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, Is there a special rule for an acronym? If so, color me informed |
| [00:22:26] | sphery: | yep |
| [00:22:32] | ** kormoc ponders what color informed is ** | |
| [00:22:37] | iamlindoro_: | I truly did not know that |
| [00:23:12] | wagnerrp: | BeowulfBC: and the airlines will hire them when they cant speak to the ATCs? |
| [00:23:23] | BeowulfBC: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWDEIvjwaFU |
| [00:23:32] | sphery: | If the acronym has entered the english language in use as a word (such as LASER), there's no apostrophe--but then again the acronym is usually not capitalized for those words (like laser) |
| [00:23:34] | BeowulfBC: | In case you need evendince :D |
| [00:25:38] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronyms#Represe . . . _possessives (the "traditional style", but in modern/contemporary usage, not always done) |
| [00:25:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: guess you're just too young to have known :) |
| [00:26:52] | wagnerrp: | and people wonder why ATCs drink... |
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| [00:28:25] | iamlindoro_: | Wheeeeeeee, bye bye videometadata! |
| [00:28:46] | BeowulfBC: | LOL no wagnerrp I don't |
| [00:28:52] | sphery: | SpaceBass: BTW, I forgot to tell you that after changing /etc/php.ini, you need to restart apache for it to take effect |
| [00:29:02] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, you'll shoot your data out, kid... |
| [00:29:19] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: how many times did you watch that this year? |
| [00:29:19] | BeowulfBC: | Is there anyone reason why I have no /dev/lirc? |
| [00:29:23] | ** sphery ponders whether it's dinner time... ** | |
| [00:29:30] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, least 2 or 3 |
| [00:29:35] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc, On multiple occasions it seems... just remember when you're all happily enjoying TV lookup and fanart and banners and screenshots in mythvideo, that I took one for the team |
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| [00:41:51] | ** kormoc weeps for the lost data ** | |
| [00:46:10] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc, I'd like to say I intentionally cleared it out to test the season/episode/subtitle parsing from filenames |
| [00:46:14] | iamlindoro_: | I'd like to say that a lot |
| [00:48:05] | iamlindoro_: | That said, it's actually a pretty darn good way to test, and it's actually pretty good :) |
| [00:49:06] | jams: | iamlindoro_ so while it may look like a mistake, it's actually a carefully calculated move to test things out? |
| [00:49:17] | iamlindoro_: | erm... YEAH! |
| [00:49:30] | iamlindoro_: | You know, to the... erm... untrained eye and such |
| [00:49:55] | jams: | sounds good to me |
| [00:51:02] | iamlindoro_: | truthfull I intended to do this as a leap of faith test, just not at that exact moment :) |
| [00:51:31] | wagnerrp: | BASTARDS! |
| [00:51:52] | wagnerrp: | dropping me to SD resolutions so they can tell me UK has a new coach |
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| [00:52:22] | wagnerrp: | its not even breaking news |
| [00:52:29] | wagnerrp: | it was breaking news about four hours ago |
| [00:54:12] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm. Maybe I should get put metadata auto-download next on my list |
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| [01:04:22] | iamlindoro_: | Acer ION hornet, $299 |
| [01:04:31] | iamlindoro_: | Watch the users list go willllllllllld |
| [01:04:34] | wagnerrp: | for sale? |
| [01:04:51] | iamlindoro_: | specs leaked |
| [01:05:03] | iamlindoro_: | $149–299, top end is 2 GB, 160 GB drive, etc. |
| [01:05:23] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/03/31/ion-base . . . mi-playback/ |
| [01:06:37] | iamlindoro_: | If the low end is still an ION at $149, wow. |
| [01:08:05] | wagnerrp: | thats not far off from a full Atom system is it? |
| [01:08:19] | wagnerrp: | i mean i know the barebones go for just south of $100 |
| [01:08:35] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, and even then I don't think that's with case/ram/hdd/etc. |
| [01:08:37] | wagnerrp: | welll... not so much barebones, but board and chip |
| [01:10:32] | iamlindoro_: | Geez, at $299, it's hard not to be intrigued, and I'm not even that on the VDPAU bandwagon |
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| [01:23:01] | iamlindoro_: | there goes jams throwin' his weight around again |
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| [01:27:46] | jams: | pfff just blending in |
| [01:28:44] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I'd want a couple of them at that price |
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| [01:30:26] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx, yeah, that's damn appealing |
| [01:30:51] | wagnerrp: | if i could get a silent frontend for $150 that could play most of the content i have, even if it does have errors occasionally |
| [01:31:10] | jams: | heh whoever made this set of lircrc files for the hauppauge black remote forgot to include an "Enter" key |
| [01:31:18] | wagnerrp: | i know ive got a handful of TVs not yet connected to myth |
| [01:31:22] | iamlindoro_: | and with a dual core Atom you could still take advantage of the ffmpeg-mt stuff when it comes along |
| [01:31:54] | wagnerrp: | could you even manage HD mpeg2 with that? |
| [01:32:23] | iamlindoro_: | what, with the atom? I should think |
| [01:32:43] | wagnerrp: | i know the benchmarks ive seen put its single threaded performance somewhere around that of my P3 laptop |
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| [01:33:32] | wagnerrp: | maybe you could decode, but i doubt you could deinterlace as well |
| [01:34:31] | iamlindoro_: | mark has committed multithreaded deinterlace to trunk |
| [01:34:39] | iamlindoro_: | could make the difference |
| [01:34:51] | iamlindoro_: | yadif only so far, but more to come |
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| [01:38:55] | iamlindoro_: | WTF? Guy segfaults the backend by using an unapproved player (the windows player) and when called out about it, responds by attaching another backtrace created by crashing it with MediaMVP??? |
| [01:40:30] | tank-man: | then just tell him thanks for the backtrace but this is low priority :) |
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| [01:41:10] | iamlindoro_: | s/low/no/ |
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| [01:41:25] | iamlindoro_: | Not a myth dev's job to fix segfaults in non-myth frontends |
| [01:41:32] | iamlindoro_: | or segfaults caused by them |
| [01:41:53] | iamlindoro_: | send Bs data at mythbackend and it'll do crazy things, whodathunk |
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| [01:43:44] | pac1: | Back again for another try at setting up myth. I've got two cards. one for ntsc and the other for astc. I have one cable service. Should I set up two "lineups" in schedules direct? or just one. |
| [01:43:55] | wagnerrp: | two |
| [01:43:59] | wagnerrp: | one digital, one analog |
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| [01:44:17] | wagnerrp: | pull the analog listing as your channel lineup for your analog card |
| [01:44:25] | wagnerrp: | scan the digital, and match up the XMLIDs as you can |
| [01:45:44] | pac1: | ok, so I can't do them both automagically? |
| [01:46:03] | wagnerrp: | analog can be pulled from SD |
| [01:46:08] | wagnerrp: | digital must be manually scanned |
| [01:46:18] | pac1: | oh. |
| [01:46:29] | tank-man: | it is officially time to stop reading news on the internet for one day starting now |
| [01:46:53] | wagnerrp: | at... 9:46PM? |
| [01:47:11] | tank-man: | internet doesnt follow your time zone |
| [01:47:25] | wagnerrp: | but its still :46, or maybe :16, wherever you are |
| [01:47:25] | Lexridge: | lol, but the minutes are the same. |
| [01:47:46] | BeowulfBC: | Ugh what do I have to do to get my remote to work. I just got a PVR-150 w/ remote but it does not seem to be the same one as mentioned in the wiki |
| [01:48:03] | tank-man: | lol yes at that exact minute |
| [01:48:09] | wagnerrp: | do you have the vanilla 150? or the MCE 150? |
| [01:48:14] | BeowulfBC: | MCE |
| [01:48:30] | BeowulfBC: | MCE remote perhpas? |
| [01:48:45] | wagnerrp: | did you set up lirc to use the mceusb2 (instead of the hauppauge) driver? |
| [01:48:55] | BeowulfBC: | Nope used hauppauge |
| [01:49:00] | BeowulfBC: | Thanks for that |
| [01:49:01] | wagnerrp: | well theres your problem |
| [01:51:36] | pac1: | when scanning for digital channels, should I use IRC, hrc or vanilla |
| [01:51:47] | wagnerrp: | cable or cable-high |
| [01:52:14] | wagnerrp: | most digital channels only exist above channel 78 (cable-high) |
| [01:52:43] | wagnerrp: | if you have a significant number of static channels below 78, you probably want to scan cable |
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| [01:55:00] | pac1: | Mine seems to start at 70. |
| [01:55:35] | mythbox1: | I want to upgrade my mythdora 10.21 box motherboard,cpu, and video card... Will I have to re-install mythdora? |
| [01:55:44] | pac1: | for example :70.4 – Totally annoying TV Guide channel |
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| [01:56:26] | wagnerrp: | mythbox1: probably not, but dont quote me on that, im not a fedora user |
| [01:56:45] | mythbox1: | anyone here know about fedora 10? |
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| [01:57:30] | pac1: | mythbox1, no, but for most distributions, you are using a vanilla kernel. changing the hardware, without changing what's on the disk should not matter. |
| [01:58:12] | wagnerrp: | most distros come with a stripped down kernel, and load driver modules as needed |
| [01:58:15] | mythbox1: | nice. I am going from nvidia to ati(not by choice) will myth see it? |
| [01:58:33] | wagnerrp: | assuming fedora is set up to detect the proper hardware on boot, it should not be a problem |
| [01:58:45] | wagnerrp: | myth wont care one way or another |
| [01:58:50] | wagnerrp: | all it wants is Xv |
| [01:58:59] | mythbox1: | right on. Thanks for the help |
| [01:59:00] | wagnerrp: | and if the new drivers can provide that, it will be happy |
| [02:00:05] | mythbox1: | Next question: Will fedora 10 support a phenom x4 processor? I am running an AMD 64 right now |
| [02:00:29] | wagnerrp: | a phenom x4 is an x86 processor, right? |
| [02:01:10] | sphery: | just a matter of the bios/motherboard supporting it |
| [02:01:15] | mythbox1: | 64bit i believe |
| [02:01:34] | wagnerrp: | chances are the kernel is built to a generic x86_64 spec |
| [02:01:41] | mythbox1: | yep |
| [02:01:42] | wagnerrp: | meaning it will support any such processor |
| [02:02:21] | mythbox1: | I know it will support 64bit, just was curious if Fedora 10 would support quad core |
| [02:02:22] | wagnerrp: | unless you manually went through and applied the custom GCC optimizations to your specific processor generation to the kernel and userland, you should not have a problem |
| [02:02:57] | mythbox1: | not likely...total linux noob |
| [02:03:05] | wagnerrp: | i know there is a compile-time limit to the number of processors the linux kernel can use |
| [02:03:21] | wagnerrp: | but i would believe that the fedora devs set that to a reasonable value |
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| [02:04:47] | mythbox1: | Of course, I will backup my databases before trying this. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't biting off more than I can chew. Thanks again for your input |
| [02:05:18] | kormoc: | Wow, a talking mythbox! And the alpha one at that! |
| [02:05:40] | tank-man: | usually with linux, the hardware you have to check before buying is the wifi hardware and the video hardware |
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| [02:10:39] | mythbox1: | I have the ASUS m3a78-em board and I believe it has onboard ATI graphics |
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| [02:13:25] | tank-man: | that is your old hardware? |
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| [02:25:58] | C_Neufeld: | Hrm. I just upgraded to 0.21, and there are some surprises. I wonder if anybody can help. |
| [02:26:03] | C_Neufeld: | Recordings no longer seem to have captions. When I press 'T', it says "no captions". Even on recordings that were made on 0.20.2 and had captions when viewed there. |
| [02:26:07] | C_Neufeld: | The OSD flickers very noticeably now, in an irritating manner. It didn't do that before. |
| [02:29:59] | sphery: | C_Neufeld: regarding the flickering, you need to change your Playback Profile group from CPU+ to Slim... It's in TV Settings|Playback a few pages in |
| [02:30:13] | C_Neufeld: | sphery : thanks, I'll try that now. |
| [02:30:21] | sphery: | The captions are likely because you need to set the caption type to NTSC captions |
| [02:30:31] | sphery: | in mythtv-setup, General Settings, IIRC |
| [02:32:07] | C_Neufeld: | sphery : thank you, that fixed the flickering. My captions in mythtv-setup are set for NTSC already, but I suspect that option configures the VBI capture settings. For recordings that were made long ago, the captions should still be in the files. |
| [02:32:13] | sphery: | "VBI format" in mythtv-setup, General Settings on page 2 ("Locale Settings") |
| [02:32:32] | sphery: | No, that's the playback settings... |
| [02:32:40] | sphery: | We capture whatever's in there... |
| [02:32:42] | iamlindoro_: | Your mom's in settings |
| [02:32:57] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:33:38] | iamlindoro_: | videometadata, she back |
| [02:34:07] | sphery: | C_Neufeld: when playing back a recording, hit MENU (M), then scroll down to Select VBI CC and/or SELECT ATSC CC and go through the various choices... If any work, let me know. |
| [02:34:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: how come the delete? |
| [02:35:07] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, accidental, I re-applied my patches but not the one that fixes videometadata's scan from adding the files a second time when they'er mounted locally |
| [02:35:15] | iamlindoro_: | so I rescanned and poof |
| [02:35:18] | C_Neufeld: | sphery : there is no menu option for select VBI. I saw it before I upgraded, but now it's missing from that menu. |
| [02:35:18] | sphery: | ahhhh |
| [02:36:29] | sphery: | C_Neufeld: what capture card? |
| [02:36:43] | C_Neufeld: | sphery : a PVR500. |
| [02:36:54] | C_Neufeld: | Dual-tuner Hauppage. |
| [02:36:58] | sphery: | I'm guessing a PVR-x50 with a very old driver was used to capture the 0.20.2 recordings, right? |
| [02:37:02] | C_Neufeld: | Right. |
| [02:37:18] | sphery: | I think the PVR-x50 caption format changed sometime back in the 0.20.x days... |
| [02:37:37] | C_Neufeld: | I actually did the work with Hans to get VBI working on that driver, before that you couldn't do sliced VBI on the PVR500. |
| [02:37:41] | sphery: | So, it's likely that new Myth can't see the old captions... But, on the bright side, any new recordings you make should work... |
| [02:37:48] | C_Neufeld: | So it's literally the original code. |
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| [02:38:19] | sphery: | Try going into LiveTV and see if you can get captions (on a channel that's /very/ likely to have captions--like PBS or something) |
| [02:39:10] | C_Neufeld: | No, still nothing in LiveTV on PBS, or a few other channels. It reports "No captions". |
| [02:39:31] | C_Neufeld: | There isn't an ivtv-vbi thread running anymore, but I guess that's because the drivers have changed a lot in the past two years. |
| [02:39:32] | sphery: | And you're using a newer ivtv with the new Myth, right? |
| [02:39:53] | C_Neufeld: | I'm using KnoppMyth R5.5. I'll check the ivtv versions. |
| [02:40:18] | sphery: | And you don't have any of those module options that you used to have to use with ivtv to get captions, right? (You shouldn't with current.) |
| [02:40:26] | sphery: | modinfo ivtv would tell you |
| [02:40:56] | sphery: | (will tell you version, that is)... |
| [02:41:13] | C_Neufeld: | OK, modinfo ivtv shows it's v1.2.0 |
| [02:41:38] | sphery: | If you don't have module options specified on your configuration, I'm out of ideas for why it wouldn't work--presuming they're actually in the signal you're recording. |
| [02:41:50] | tank-man: | yea i think the current ivtv version is a rewrite vs what you had before with myth .20.x |
| [02:42:06] | sphery: | And note that some set-top boxes and some cable co's strip out captions sometimes (often by accident) |
| [02:42:10] | C_Neufeld: | I didn't have any module options in the older case, but that's because I was running with my own patches so I had set the source code to always do VBI |
| [02:42:39] | sphery: | yeah, 1.2.0 is current stuff |
| [02:42:46] | C_Neufeld: | sphery : this isn't through the set-top box, but my STB doesn't strip captions. |
| [02:42:51] | sphery: | I think it was the old 0.10.xxx that was the old way |
| [02:43:27] | sphery: | hmmm... I'm definitely out of ideas. |
| [02:43:34] | C_Neufeld: | did VBI in the PVR500 bitrot, are people using it? |
| [02:44:01] | sphery: | that's a possibility |
| [02:44:41] | sphery: | I haven't used ivtv for years, now, but I was thinking that the PVR-150 and PVR-500's NTSC VBI doesn't work with the new drivers because Hans couldn't find anyone to help test/debug/finish it... |
| [02:44:51] | sphery: | but that's just a half a memory (or less) from a long time ago... |
| [02:45:01] | sphery: | definitely worth asking... |
| [02:45:15] | sphery: | and checking out the vbi device to see if you see text coming through the drivers... |
| [02:45:17] | C_Neufeld: | Hmm. I'll send him an email. I got it working once, maybe I can do it again. |
| [02:45:27] | sphery: | you may actually be the best person to help :) |
| [02:45:34] | sphery: | if so, you'll probably make a lot of people happy |
| [02:46:11] | C_Neufeld: | Not least of those is my wife whose first language isn't English and so finds the captions very helpful. That's what spurred me to get it working the first time. |
| [02:46:45] | sphery: | I use captions all the time--only time I turn them off is when I'm watching a show with company and they don't like them. |
| [02:47:14] | sphery: | I think--especially with the poor audio mixing and the tendency of some actors to mumble--they're /very/ useful for catching the whole story. |
| [02:47:31] | C_Neufeld: | Yeah, I toggle the captions once in a while to figure out what somebody just said. |
| [02:47:52] | sphery: | yeah... I did it like that for about 6 months, then I decided it was easier to just enable them all the time. |
| [02:48:14] | sphery: | And, the best part is that there's usually a lag on the captions, so if I miss something, I just look down and catch it a second later :) |
| [02:48:46] | C_Neufeld: | My problem with captions is that I can't ignore them, so I wind up reading the whole show. |
| [02:49:12] | sphery: | (the lag, I'm 99% positive, is due to the HDTV broadcaster's focus on EIA-708 captions and the fact that I'm using EIA-608--because Myth needs some work on EIA-708 decoding and I haven't found time to do that work, yet... :) |
| [02:49:38] | sphery: | I did that for a while, but got to the point that they're now "invisible" until I need them... |
| [02:49:59] | sphery: | I think my going from a 27" SDTV to a 67" HDTV helped a /lot/ with that, though. :) |
| [02:50:43] | C_Neufeld: | Heh. Well, another datapoint: I can't ignore captions on a 36" tube television bought in 2001. |
| [02:50:58] | sphery: | so it's somewhere between 36" and 67" :) |
| [02:51:11] | sphery: | I'll have to get a few more datapoints... |
| [02:52:05] | sphery: | anyway, good luck with figuring it out... You may also have more luck when you find more people hanging out in here. At least then you might be able to get confirmation about whether they should work or not. |
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| [02:52:26] | sphery: | And if not, good luck fixing them up--and thanks, in advance. :) |
| [02:52:39] | C_Neufeld: | sphery : thanks. I'll go browsing around ivtvdriver.org for a bit, and I'll send Hans an email, though I know he's more than a little bit busy these days. |
| [02:53:16] | sphery: | Isn't there still a little app in the utils for reading the vbi straight from the device? Might be worth testing with that as a start. |
| [02:53:46] | C_Neufeld: | Yeah, I remember that one. I'll check it. |
| [02:55:30] | C_Neufeld: | OK, thanks for the help with flickering. I'll check in another time. |
| [02:55:31] | sphery: | for a completely off-topic question, why are all of the Claritin advertisements (that talk about, "Now I'm Claritin clear) SDTV ads upscaled to HDTV sizes? That's not the kind of clear I want from an allergy med... |
| [02:55:41] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [03:08:52] | BeowulfBC: | Anyone here know alot about the lirc module? Mine seems to not want to even start /etc/init.d/lirc start fails |
| [03:09:22] | BeowulfBC: | If I start it -n in the forground it just sits there till I try and run irw to see what is happening and then it does this |
| [03:09:30] | BeowulfBC: | lircd-0.8.3[8115]: lircd(userspace) ready |
| [03:09:30] | BeowulfBC: | lircd-0.8.3[8115]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd |
| [03:09:30] | BeowulfBC: | lircd-0.8.3[8115]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc |
| [03:09:30] | BeowulfBC: | lircd-0.8.3[8115]: default_init(): No such file or directory |
| [03:09:30] | BeowulfBC: | lircd-0.8.3[8115]: caught signal |
| [03:09:31] | BeowulfBC: | Terminated |
| [03:09:51] | sphery: | pastebin is preferred--especially for anything greater than 3 lines... |
| [03:10:12] | BeowulfBC: | pastebin? erm? |
| [03:10:23] | sphery: | Do you have the right drivers loaded? Do you have a valid /etc/lircd.conf ? |
| [03:10:34] | BeowulfBC: | Well I did the gui configure |
| [03:11:00] | sphery: | pasting multiple lines to http://pastebin.ca/ or http://pastebin.com/ or ... and then pasting the URI here |
| [03:11:38] | BeowulfBC: | Ah ok |
| [03:11:40] | sphery: | All I know is that for about the first 3 hours of getting LIRC to work about 5 years ago, it did the exact same thing yours is doing... Then it worked. |
| [03:11:50] | sphery: | I must have changed something, but I have no clue what that something was. |
| [03:11:56] | BeowulfBC: | I do that all the time |
| [03:12:07] | BeowulfBC: | THere is an lircd.conf |
| [03:12:16] | BeowulfBC: | and a hardware.conf file |
| [03:12:18] | BeowulfBC: | WIth stuff |
| [03:12:30] | sphery: | what remote? |
| [03:12:43] | BeowulfBC: | MCE |
| [03:12:58] | kormoc: | Stuff eh? I prefer things to be honest. |
| [03:13:22] | BeowulfBC: | It has bits and bytes in there that all add up to a config file? |
| [03:13:24] | sphery: | hmmm... there are a lot of people using that one. probably a lot of people who could help (when they're around) |
| [03:13:30] | iamlindoro_: | some of us can only manage junk, have some compassion |
| [03:13:40] | sphery: | I don't even know if that one takes a kernel driver or if it's all userspace |
| [03:13:43] | ** kormoc hangs his head shamefully ** | |
| [03:13:52] | kormoc: | it does, lirc_mceusb2 |
| [03:14:06] | BeowulfBC: | Kernel driver |
| [03:14:20] | sphery: | BeowulfBC: then in that case, what do you get with: lsmod | grep mce |
| [03:14:52] | iamlindoro_: | amusing thing about the tvdb grabber-- you sometimes end up with a season cover for "staffel eins" |
| [03:14:57] | BeowulfBC: | lirc_mceusb 18336 0 |
| [03:15:04] | BeowulfBC: | Which would indicate that the module is loaded |
| [03:15:14] | iamlindoro_: | (season one) |
| [03:15:22] | sphery: | yeah... wonder if it's important that it's not 2... |
| [03:15:34] | iamlindoro_: | they are different |
| [03:15:42] | iamlindoro_: | most people's are covered by mceusb2, not the original |
| [03:15:57] | sphery: | but if it's loaded the mceusb, that's the one he needs? |
| [03:16:10] | BeowulfBC: | I did select V2 in the gui |
| [03:16:11] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, If it's something like mythbuntu, he had a choice |
| [03:16:15] | BeowulfBC: | ANd I do have a V2 remtoe |
| [03:16:24] | BeowulfBC: | It is mythbuntu |
| [03:16:27] | BeowulfBC: | Let me check the gui again |
| [03:16:37] | iamlindoro_: | on the other hand, if it's something like mythbuntu and you're using their GUI, it would be wise to seek help in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [03:16:38] | sphery: | I should leave you to people who know your remote and distro better than I |
| [03:16:43] | kormoc: | Cherry Dr. Pepper is weird |
| [03:16:52] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc, It's gross! |
| [03:17:32] | kormoc: | Yeah, I'm not getting it again |
| [03:17:59] | sphery: | I like my Dr Pepper made from Amaretto, Bacardi 151, and beer... |
| [03:18:29] | iamlindoro_: | I do love the Diet Dr. Pepper though |
| [03:18:29] | sphery: | add fire if local fire marshall permits... |
| [03:19:33] | BeowulfBC: | That was it |
| [03:19:38] | BeowulfBC: | It laoded the wrong driver |
| [03:19:43] | sphery: | sweet |
| [03:19:50] | BeowulfBC: | Intersting I swear I selected the new version in the gui |
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| [03:19:53] | BeowulfBC: | the first time roundf |
| [03:20:03] | BeowulfBC: | Dr. Peper ALready has Cherry in it |
| [03:20:10] | sphery: | and it didn't take you 3hrs of messing around with it and you actually know why it wasn't working before :) |
| [03:20:53] | BeowulfBC: | LOL well it has been 2 hours before I cam her |
| [03:20:53] | BeowulfBC: | e |
| [03:21:38] | sphery: | heh, well, you're still an hour of head of where I was :) |
| [03:26:32] | BeowulfBC: | Now to get it configured to my likeing |
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| [03:45:18] | arrrghhh: | anybody know how myth recieves commands from a remote from a capture card? myth works great with my remote, but i'd like other programs to work with the remote too. |
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| [04:08:54] | BeowulfBC: | THanks for all the help everyone have a good night |
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| [04:33:53] | niekie: | Greetings.. does anybody have any idea why commercial auto-skipping might not be working? The detection works fine.. if I press the skip button, it skips until the end of the commercial.. but I have to do it manually. |
| [04:34:08] | wagnerrp: | because you told it to behave that way |
| [04:34:37] | niekie: | wagnerrp: I set it to notify first.. didn't do anything.. then I've set it to auto-skip, and it didn't do anything too. |
| [04:35:14] | niekie: | Maybe I've overlooked some setting, though. |
| [04:35:38] | wagnerrp: | hit 'm' to open the on screen menu, and check what its set for |
| [04:36:58] | niekie: | It is set to the last setting (due to the language string being big I apparently can't see which one that is) |
| [04:37:05] | niekie: | But AFAIK that is auto-skip. |
| [04:39:42] | niekie: | So I really have no idea where this is going wrong. |
| [04:40:04] | niekie: | Ah! Might have found it. |
| [04:40:36] | niekie: | I had edited the recording to set start and stop points. |
| [04:40:43] | niekie: | Apparently I shouldn't have done that :) |
| [04:43:55] | wagnerrp: | no, when you do that, it stops using the commflagging, and starts using the cutpoints |
| [04:44:13] | wagnerrp: | however, youre usually supposed to hit 'z', to copy the commpoints over to cutpoints |
| [04:44:26] | niekie: | Ah. |
| [04:44:27] | niekie: | Nice. |
| [04:44:55] | niekie: | wagnerrp: thank you very much :) |
| [04:45:20] | wagnerrp: | we all had to learn this stuff at some point... |
| [04:45:30] | wagnerrp: | ... except of course for the people that wrote it in the first place |
| [04:45:33] | niekie: | Hehe. |
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| [05:40:28] | iamlindoro_: | Hahahah, and the first Myth April fools joke rolls into the users list |
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| [05:43:16] | wagnerrp: | are ubuntu releases always .04 and .10? |
| [05:43:38] | iamlindoro_: | yes. Year and month |
| [05:43:51] | iamlindoro_: | w/ a 6 month cycle |
| [05:43:54] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [05:44:35] | wagnerrp: | 'throughout the millenia'? |
| [05:44:55] | wagnerrp: | i suppose the article itself is already unrealistic |
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| [05:46:22] | iamlindoro_: | All things considered, it's a pretty good Myth specific 4/1 joke |
| [05:46:52] | wagnerrp: | what do you think those phone numbers are to? |
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| [05:47:43] | rhpot1991: | call them and see :) |
| [05:48:00] | wagnerrp: | hahaha, adobe has had problems in the past with 64-bit code |
| [05:48:06] | foxbuntu: | wow...I just heard about the CableCARD thing |
| [05:48:21] | iamlindoro_: | foxbuntu, s**tstirrer! |
| [05:48:39] | foxbuntu: | iamlindoro, what do you mean? |
| [05:48:45] | foxbuntu: | :) |
| [05:48:52] | at0m: | http://torrentfreak.com/warner-bros-acquires- . . . -bay-090401/ |
| [05:48:53] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, have your fun |
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| [05:52:00] | iamlindoro_: | Want your mind really blown, how about the first 4/1 story on slashdot being a real story |
| [05:52:49] | wagnerrp: | its a shame there isnt a real file to download |
| [05:53:06] | wagnerrp: | maybe a simple executable that opens a full screen goatse |
| [05:53:38] | iamlindoro_: | Should be a "you got PUNK'D!" theme. install the theme, then run mythfrontend -o Theme=PUNKD |
| [05:53:43] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: no likey unicorns? |
| [05:54:04] | kormoc: | I want a pony! |
| [05:54:34] | iamlindoro_: | OMG PONIES? |
| [05:54:41] | wagnerrp: | what would you do with a pony? honestly... |
| [05:54:44] | wagnerrp: | ride it to work? |
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| [05:54:54] | tgm4883: | bow chicka bow wow |
| [05:55:00] | wagnerrp: | ponies dont like exhaust fumes |
| [05:55:18] | kormoc: | How do you know? Do you have a pony? |
| [05:55:19] | rhpot1991: | unicorns eat exhaust fumes for breakfast |
| [05:55:24] | rhpot1991: | thats why there are so many of them anymore |
| [05:55:48] | wagnerrp: | i mean at least a unicorn comes complete with a weapon, in the event of road rage |
| [05:56:25] | wagnerrp: | damnit |
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| [05:56:31] | kormoc: | Sure, but the unicorn permits take *forever* |
| [05:56:38] | wagnerrp: | i forgot april fools always means a bag of crap on woot |
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| [06:04:34] | kormoc: | http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=19932 |
| [06:12:01] | wagnerrp: | thats not april fools, that was up several days ago |
| [06:12:13] | wagnerrp: | its nevertheless completely bogus |
| [06:13:10] | kormoc: | I'd fly in it.... if I had a few billion to blow |
| [06:13:30] | wagnerrp: | are you kidding? |
| [06:13:46] | wagnerrp: | look at those engines strapped to the side |
| [06:13:59] | wagnerrp: | they put off more thrust than the two rotors |
| [06:14:33] | wagnerrp: | at least they would until the exhaust from the front ones melted the HP turbines on the rear ones |
| [06:14:51] | kormoc: | I didn't say I expected to do anything else after the flight... :P |
| [06:18:52] | wagnerrp: | although ill admit, thats a gorgeous render |
| [06:19:14] | wagnerrp: | someone who knows more about graphics could probably spot incorrect reflections or something |
| [06:19:18] | wagnerrp: | but it looks pretty real to me |
| [06:22:53] | wagnerrp: | i actually meant the one on wired... http://blog.wired.com/cars/2009/03/the-hotelicopte.html |
| [06:23:07] | wagnerrp: | the one you linked to looks like crap |
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| [06:29:37] | justinh: | rats. looks like my backend didn't come up after the power went out twice this morning |
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| [06:29:52] | justinh: | blimmin toaster decided to die :( |
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| [06:30:00] | wagnerrp: | love them battery backups |
| [06:30:33] | justinh: | yeah well I decided against a UPS in my infinite widsom |
| [06:30:57] | justinh: | one which'd actually be any use to me would be too expensive |
| [06:31:02] | wagnerrp: | i need to upgrade mine |
| [06:31:14] | wagnerrp: | i moved two more machines down into the basement |
| [06:31:27] | wagnerrp: | so the UPS that used to power the network for better than an hour |
| [06:31:35] | wagnerrp: | powers everything for just shy of 10 minutes |
| [06:34:24] | justinh: | every time this happens I have to run a manual fsck, which works fine.. but why the hell is it making me run it manually? |
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| [06:37:22] | justinh: | hmm. found a 350VA APC model for under £60. That'll do it. Serial & USB connection & no doubt supported in loonix |
| [06:37:41] | wagnerrp: | expensive |
| [06:38:07] | justinh: | there are cheaper ones but info on them being supported is scant |
| [06:38:38] | wagnerrp: | my 800VA APC and 900VA CyberPower were $50 and $60 |
| [06:38:55] | justinh: | ! |
| [06:39:34] | justinh: | APC 800VA £109.99 |
| [06:39:35] | wagnerrp: | although those were found on slickdeals, i dont know if you have anything of that sort over there |
| [06:40:10] | justinh: | we have a number of 'bargain finder' or 'price comparison' websites.. all impotent |
| [06:41:09] | wagnerrp: | here we go... 1280VA Cyberpower, $75 |
| [06:41:29] | wagnerrp: | looks like that sold out yesterday though |
| [06:41:32] | wagnerrp: | pity |
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| [06:42:44] | justinh: | hmm plexus 500VA UPS.. under £40 |
| [06:43:27] | justinh: | USB... so it'd need loonix support |
| [06:43:49] | wagnerrp: | theres a lot that gets picked up under the USBHID driver in NUT |
| [06:44:11] | wagnerrp: | however my CyberPower, the USB ports is actually just a built in USB-Serial bridge |
| [06:44:21] | justinh: | hmm |
| [06:44:26] | wagnerrp: | the serial port works, but since theres no support for the bridge, USB doesnt work |
| [06:45:29] | wagnerrp: | heres your 350VA APC, at staples for $7 |
| [06:45:51] | justinh: | lol |
| [06:46:02] | wagnerrp: | you have to buy it with 8 reams of paper to get the deal though |
| [06:47:10] | justinh: | staples here don't sell anything like that anymore |
| [06:47:13] | wagnerrp: | oh, you use the paper to get it up over $75, and then you have a $25 coupon, and then rebates on each of the reams of paper such that they pay you a dollar to take them |
| [06:47:25] | wagnerrp: | in other words, you get banned from the store |
| [06:48:19] | justinh: | hmm according to http://www.networkupstools.org/compat/stable.html that 'cheap' 500VA Plexus is supported |
| [06:51:02] | justinh: | damn. they don't even supply an IEC to IEC cable |
| [06:51:34] | wagnerrp: | IEC? |
| [06:52:06] | justinh: | cable to go from the UPS to the machine(s) |
| [06:53:00] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall any of mine providing them |
| [06:53:08] | justinh: | £43.67 delivered next day. gonna get it |
| [06:53:10] | wagnerrp: | of course ive got about a dozen spares |
| [06:53:28] | wagnerrp: | and another 100 or so sitting in a box at work i could pillage if i really cared |
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| [06:54:33] | wagnerrp: | well never go without SATA cables up there |
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| [06:55:02] | wagnerrp: | 700 or so motherboards, packaged with four cables each, and only about 200 hard drives between the lot of them |
| [06:56:38] | justinh: | there we go. that'll keep me busy for a couple of hours |
| [06:56:51] | justinh: | assuming the box ever comes back up :) |
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| [06:59:17] | justinh: | this UPS has an ell see dee on it. Woooooo! |
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| [06:59:55] | justinh: | also comes with 'linux software' according to the blurb. not sure I'd trust that as far as I could lob the battery pack |
| [07:00:10] | wagnerrp: | ive got enough blinking lights in the basement with all the network equipment |
| [07:00:13] | wagnerrp: | no need for LCDs |
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| [07:00:31] | wagnerrp: | not one i cant program anyway |
| [07:00:34] | justinh: | beeping & flashing, flashing & beeping.. beeping & flashing.. |
| [07:01:02] | wagnerrp: | i dont need to look at the LCD to know when power goes off |
| [07:01:18] | wagnerrp: | and if i actually want information on it, thats what NUT is for |
| [07:01:24] | justinh: | reads out the power drawn & the mains voltage |
| [07:01:32] | wagnerrp: | MAYBE it would be nice to have a countdown timer |
| [07:01:35] | justinh: | & allegedly.. battery charge state |
| [07:01:41] | wagnerrp: | if im frantically trying to back stuff up |
| [07:01:46] | justinh: | heh |
| [07:02:01] | justinh: | hey ubunuts should have a package of that, I'd guess |
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| [07:02:36] | wagnerrp: | should, it was in the package trees for freebsd and gentoo |
| [07:02:41] | wagnerrp: | hell, they even have a windows client |
| [07:02:50] | justinh: | ! lol |
| [07:03:04] | brijones: | hey folks |
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| [07:03:19] | wagnerrp: | my firewall recognizes that my power went out, and tells my desktop to shutdown |
| [07:03:33] | justinh: | so, looks like I'm on Tor today since I don't have a box at home to cheat with |
| [07:03:36] | brijones: | I'm new here :( |
| [07:03:48] | justinh: | I'm not new here :( |
| [07:03:53] | justinh: | :( :( :( even |
| [07:04:04] | brijones: | anyone able to assist in the setup of a Sony_PS3_BD_Remote |
| [07:04:12] | wagnerrp: | its my first day |
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| [07:04:49] | wagnerrp: | brijones: how does the BD remote work? |
| [07:04:55] | wagnerrp: | is it mapped to keyboard keys? |
| [07:04:58] | wagnerrp: | or is there a LIRC module? |
| [07:04:58] | justinh: | bluetooth :) |
| [07:05:06] | brijones: | it's bluetooth |
| [07:05:14] | wagnerrp: | shiney |
| [07:05:17] | justinh: | there's a wiki article about it at mythtv.org/wiki |
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| [07:05:31] | brijones: | the problem is, there is a section that's unclear |
| [07:06:08] | brijones: | in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sony_PS3_BD_Remote |
| [07:06:18] | brijones: | under "Configuring bluetooth" |
| [07:06:52] | brijones: | there is a section which says "Enable startup scripts" with a section of lines to be copy pasted somewhere, but where do they go? |
| [07:07:48] | wagnerrp: | it tells you where to put them, /etc/default/bluetooth |
| [07:08:01] | wagnerrp: | oh, the second block.. |
| [07:08:14] | wagnerrp: | thats just shell script |
| [07:08:17] | brijones: | yep the second |
| [07:08:35] | wagnerrp: | presuming youre running bash, just copy-paste into a root terminal |
| [07:09:17] | wagnerrp: | note, that is VERY (!!!) distro specific |
| [07:09:21] | brijones: | should those lines go in a file? |
| [07:09:31] | brijones: | running ubuntu |
| [07:09:33] | wagnerrp: | and will only work if you are using the same distro the writer of the wiki page is |
| [07:10:03] | wagnerrp: | luckily, the writer does not seem to understand that fact |
| [07:10:11] | wagnerrp: | so we have no idea what distro they are using |
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| [07:10:58] | brijones: | the majority of commands have worked under ubuntu |
| [07:11:07] | wagnerrp: | the majority, not all? |
| [07:11:25] | brijones: | there is a disparity between the LIRC.conf |
| [07:11:37] | wagnerrp: | ok, anyway... |
| [07:11:39] | wagnerrp: | open a terminal |
| [07:11:41] | wagnerrp: | su to root |
| [07:11:45] | wagnerrp: | copy those lines in |
| [07:11:58] | brijones: | will that work at start up? |
| [07:12:11] | justinh: | you can't su to root in poobuntoo |
| [07:12:12] | wagnerrp: | honestly, that looks reminiscent of SuSe |
| [07:12:21] | justinh: | not without knowing the (random) root password |
| [07:12:25] | wagnerrp: | ive never used ubuntu, so i dont know what their init setup looks like |
| [07:12:35] | justinh: | sudo passwd root :) |
| [07:12:38] | wagnerrp: | sudo passwd root |
| [07:12:40] | wagnerrp: | bah... |
| [07:12:42] | brijones: | most commands I run with sudo |
| [07:12:54] | wagnerrp: | make me a sandwich |
| [07:13:09] | brijones: | i take for example that those lines could go in a file somewhere right? |
| [07:14:01] | wagnerrp: | you *could* put those lines in a file... and then you *could* make that file executable using chmod... and then you *could* run that brand new script with sudo |
| [07:14:18] | brijones: | :P |
| [07:14:38] | wagnerrp: | i just take offense to an operating system that does not want to give me root access |
| [07:15:04] | wagnerrp: | like i said, check with someone who knows ubuntu |
| [07:15:17] | wagnerrp: | make sure those directions look like something they recognize |
| [07:15:57] | justinh: | rc.local is the very last thing init runs IIRC |
| [07:15:57] | wagnerrp: | the author doesnt say |
| [07:16:02] | justinh: | so you could call the script from there |
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| [07:16:11] | wagnerrp: | and assuming things generally results in tears |
| [07:16:48] | wagnerrp: | justinh: its not a script, its just a pair of loops that set up the proper init scripts in the right positions in runlevels |
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| [07:17:22] | justinh: | ahh. I CBA to look because I'm browsing through tor which is a weeeeeeeeeeeeeny bit slow |
| [07:17:47] | wagnerrp: | why cant you browse directly? |
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| [07:18:11] | brijones: | hmm assumptions, like how i screwed my networking a couple of days ago :( |
| [07:18:37] | justinh: | like how I broke my Gnome desktop the other day |
| [07:18:53] | justinh: | never gonna believe anything anybody on ubuntu forums say no matter how many cups of coffee they've got |
| [07:19:33] | brijones: | rofl, or how installing mythbuntu and recieving no signal from the monitor :P |
| [07:19:38] | wagnerrp: | dont trust the talking parrot |
| [07:20:13] | brijones: | know how annoying it is to recieve a blank screen the first time you load an OS? |
| [07:20:53] | wagnerrp: | better than a loading screen for an hour, as it waits for something to time out |
| [07:20:55] | justinh: | changing distro immediately solves that one |
| [07:21:04] | justinh: | both actually :) |
| [07:21:33] | brijones: | or that file intergrity check that looks like the system has hung at startup :( |
| [07:21:52] | wagnerrp: | file integrity check? or fsck? |
| [07:22:11] | justinh: | last time I installed loonix for someone else I found myself trying different combinations of boot options to get the installer to work |
| [07:22:23] | wagnerrp: | fsck checks the file system |
| [07:22:24] | justinh: | took the best part of a day & was endless fun! |
| [07:22:25] | brijones: | something or other, either way it hadnt finished starting up by morning, not that it had had a full night :) |
| [07:22:32] | wagnerrp: | but it does nothing to test the integrity of the files themselves |
| [07:22:48] | justinh: | that would take much, much longer :P |
| [07:23:09] | justinh: | maybe my box is still running fsck actually |
| [07:23:13] | justinh: | with over 2TB... |
| [07:23:15] | wagnerrp: | last time i ran a resilvering on my array, it was somewhere around 14 hours |
| [07:23:27] | wagnerrp: | luckily, i dont use fsck any more |
| [07:23:28] | brijones: | or, my dumb self for not creating a seperate partition for my home directory, and having had about 20 gigs of downloads in there |
| [07:23:48] | wagnerrp: | or journal replaying |
| [07:24:11] | justinh: | I just wish that sshd & networking came before fs checks in init |
| [07:24:21] | justinh: | at least then I'd be able to tell wtf is going on |
| [07:24:34] | brijones: | how about the fact that mythmusic can't understand how to chuck files in order with start with A1 A2 B1 B2 B3 ? |
| [07:25:19] | justinh: | how about the fact nobody cares? ;-) |
| [07:25:25] | brijones: | mythmusic and vinyl flacs do not mix |
| [07:25:51] | justinh: | actually your track naming format doesn't mix with mythmusic |
| [07:26:00] | brijones: | rofl, not mine :P |
| [07:26:21] | brijones: | bah, how about an option called "as appears" |
| [07:26:21] | justinh: | you could send a patch to fix that |
| [07:26:38] | brijones: | as in, how it appears on the damned hard drive :P |
| [07:27:01] | brijones: | alphabetical order would be sweet |
| [07:27:30] | wagnerrp: | theres multiple forms of alphabetical order |
| [07:27:34] | brijones: | the majority of music on the internet is not ID3 compatible |
| [07:27:40] | wagnerrp: | well.. alphanumeric order anyway |
| [07:27:55] | wagnerrp: | 1. make it compatible, 2. buy the songs |
| [07:28:23] | wagnerrp: | you will get no sympathy on here about pirated content not working |
| [07:28:23] | brijones: | try doing that to a 60 gig collection |
| [07:28:40] | wagnerrp: | (im assuming here that properly purchased mp3s are going to have nice ID3 tags) |
| [07:29:35] | brijones: | I assume that a naming convention of ## – Artist – Title.format should suffice |
| [07:30:02] | wagnerrp: | why would a artist name be needed in there? |
| [07:30:06] | justinh: | I have some 12" vinyl which doesn't have an 'A' side or a 'B' side. Just track numbers |
| [07:30:12] | wagnerrp: | unless its a compilation album |
| [07:30:34] | brijones: | nearly all of my vinyl has the A / B in it. |
| [07:31:11] | wagnerrp: | its a shame the first response to that cablecard post was 'april fools!' |
| [07:31:12] | justinh: | would A1, A2, B1, B2, B3 appear in the right order anyway? |
| [07:31:18] | wagnerrp: | i would have enjoyed to see where that went |
| [07:31:48] | brijones: | I assume A1 A2 B1 B2 is in the correct order? |
| [07:32:01] | justinh: | I'd have thought that mythmusic's sorting would do that anyway |
| [07:32:19] | brijones: | I'll explain how it appears on my list |
| [07:32:24] | justinh: | since 2 > 1 and B > A |
| [07:32:41] | brijones: | all the tracks are track 0, and are out of order |
| [07:32:47] | justinh: | ah you're using metadata |
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| [07:33:00] | justinh: | so give the tracks numbers in their metadata – problem solved |
| [07:33:13] | brijones: | how? |
| [07:33:31] | justinh: | using a tag editor, or by editing the tags in mythmusic |
| [07:33:58] | brijones: | hmm, ill try it, but we're talking about a tonne of vinyls |
| [07:34:01] | wagnerrp: | im sure theres plenty of tools on linux for that |
| [07:34:19] | wagnerrp: | ive really grown to love the media library in winamp |
| [07:34:31] | justinh: | easy to do it with a script, even |
| [07:34:49] | wagnerrp: | assuming the song name is relatively close, it will go onto gracenote and try to fill out missing data |
| [07:35:06] | justinh: | iterate thru a dir sorting by filename, set flac trac no. to file number. sorted |
| [07:35:07] | brijones: | i'd like it if the mythmusic would work similar to the mythvideo directory mode |
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| [07:35:29] | justinh: | I'd like it if people who 'MUHHHHHHHHH CAN'T CODE' would STFU about stuff they'd like |
| [07:35:29] | wagnerrp: | mythmusic is rather antiquated |
| [07:35:32] | brijones: | where the files appear as they are |
| [07:35:39] | wagnerrp: | but its getting a complete overhaul for 0.22 (so ive heard) |
| [07:36:03] | justinh: | you can of course make mythmusic effectively just a directory browser |
| [07:36:15] | brijones: | yeah? |
| [07:36:15] | justinh: | by using the IGNORE TAGS setting |
| [07:36:28] | brijones: | I tried that but it still appears as track 0 |
| [07:36:30] | justinh: | er.. ignore tags or ignore metadata |
| [07:36:53] | brijones: | also, how do you remove db entries once they are in? |
| [07:36:56] | justinh: | well, last thing I'll say on the matter is.. serves you right for not doing your metadata properly |
| [07:37:46] | brijones: | well, i didn't do the metadata, that's the thing |
| [07:37:47] | justinh: | out of A1, A2, B1, B2 on a record, B1 is track three is it not? :P |
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| [07:38:03] | brijones: | I'd say yes |
| [07:38:47] | justinh: | see, when it comes to digital transfer of music I'm somewhat more anal than you've been.. and hence haven't been quite as disappointed |
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| [07:39:02] | justinh: | sure it was much more of a PITA but... |
| [07:39:11] | justinh: | took me much longer BUT... |
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| [07:39:23] | brijones: | flac vinyl is so hard to find you take whatever you can get |
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| [07:39:42] | justinh: | so you don't even OWN the stuff? |
| [07:40:18] | brijones: | I have a legit CD copy, but the vinyl is much better |
| [07:40:48] | justinh: | the vinyl was differently mastered, and crap |
| [07:40:59] | nasevz: | Can somebody tell me what "-service" in "mythfrontend -service" command means? |
| [07:41:29] | justinh: | when I was DJing I ended up with duplicates of tracks on CD & vinyl. Often the vinyl actually sounded worse than the CD. So much for the myth |
| [07:41:33] | nasevz: | I am trying to start frontend in another x, but any options after -service are ignored |
| [07:41:34] | wagnerrp: | i trust a sound engineer to do a better mastering than a internet flunky with a USB turntable |
| [07:42:02] | brijones: | it depends, frank zappa – hot rats was recorded in a much higher quality |
| [07:42:19] | wagnerrp: | nasevz: i dont know of any 'service' flag for mythfrontend |
| [07:42:52] | wagnerrp: | is that the binary mythfrontend? or the ubuntu script mythfrontend? |
| [07:43:00] | justinh: | anyway, without realising that your flac.vinyls are subject to the same technical limitations as cd... I'd say there's no argument here at all |
| [07:43:10] | nasevz: | The command created on the menu is started with -service option |
| [07:43:35] | wagnerrp: | well mythfrontend has no '-service' option |
| [07:43:40] | brijones: | even at 96kHz? |
| [07:43:56] | justinh: | ROFLMAO |
| [07:44:14] | justinh: | you hifi nuts.. you're all the fscking same |
| [07:44:22] | justinh: | with your bat-like hearing |
| [07:44:33] | wagnerrp: | higher frequency just means that you arent going to catch some of the higher frequency harmonics of the digitization |
| [07:44:57] | brijones: | well, would you like to come over to my joint and see if you can hear the difference? |
| [07:45:34] | nasevz: | So I guess it is ok if I start it with mythfrontend -display :0.1 and ignore -service even if the command created from the instalation on the menu starts it with -service |
| [07:45:43] | brijones: | it's one of the only frank zappa albums that was truely recorded at a much higher quality |
| [07:45:50] | wagnerrp: | nasevz: are you using ubuntu? |
| [07:45:54] | nasevz: | yes |
| [07:46:09] | wagnerrp: | then go ask the mythbuntu crowd |
| [07:46:11] | justinh: | makes me laugh how 'hifi' those USB turntables are when they can record in 24 bits at 48Mhz and yet the SNR is as low as 65dB, wow & flutter is approaching 2%, rumble is -48dB & channel separation is 25dB if you're lucky |
| [07:46:20] | wagnerrp: | under ubuntu/mythbuntu, mythfrontend is not mythfrontend |
| [07:46:30] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend is actually just some wrapper script |
| [07:46:38] | justinh: | mythfrontend.real is actually mythfrontend :P |
| [07:46:41] | wagnerrp: | and the real mythfrontend got renamed to mythfrontend.real or something |
| [07:46:46] | nasevz: | ok thanks |
| [07:47:30] | brijones: | don't knock it until you try it :P |
| [07:48:02] | wagnerrp: | brijones: when youre trying to do curve fitting, higher frequencies are BAD |
| [07:48:25] | brijones: | yeah, I'm a noob :P |
| [07:48:42] | justinh: | anyway.. it's boiling down to E_FEATUREREQUESTWITHOUTAPATCH. AGAIN |
| [07:48:43] | wagnerrp: | youll be able to capture stuff happening at higher frequencies, but the lower frequencies will suffer |
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| [07:48:58] | brijones: | alright, ill drop it |
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| [07:49:18] | brijones: | *chucks frank zappa album in the bin* you happy :P |
| [07:49:32] | wagnerrp: | this is from a data collection standpoint |
| [07:49:42] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if it follows over to audio capture |
| [07:50:50] | justinh: | anyway. have a nice day. been lovely seeing your witterrings |
| [07:51:02] | brijones: | oh? |
| [07:51:24] | brijones: | could I return the conversation back to Sony PS3 BD remote? :P |
| [07:52:40] | wagnerrp: | im off to bed, its rather late over here |
| [07:52:54] | brijones: | oh okay take care, night, thanks for your assistence |
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| [08:21:57] | justinh: | hmm. maybe I could pick up one of those pci card based server watchdog boards cheap on ebay |
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| [08:42:33] | orangepeelbeef: | Hey guys, I'm having a problem with audio in myth The only thing i really use myth for atm is mythvideo and everything works as expected, except when files are passed to the internal player (iso, img, etc) |
| [08:42:43] | orangepeelbeef: | when played in the internal player i get no sound |
| [08:43:09] | orangepeelbeef: | i have my /etc/asound.conf set up for iec958 and my myth page set to alsa:iec958 also, but no go :( |
| [08:43:17] | orangepeelbeef: | any ideas? |
| [08:44:13] | orangepeelbeef: | running 0.21.0+fixes18722–0ubuntu1 |
| [08:45:10] | justinh: | enabled ac3 & DTS passthru? |
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| [08:46:01] | orangepeelbeef: | yes |
| [08:46:35] | orangepeelbeef: | have also tried turning on and off internal volume control... no go |
| [08:47:05] | justinh: | what does mythfrontend say in its log? |
| [08:47:49] | orangepeelbeef: | it looks like its playing the audio, probably to the non spdif output |
| [08:48:21] | justinh: | and you've of course unmuted said output in the mixer applet |
| [08:48:43] | justinh: | and proved it actually works in another player |
| [08:50:59] | orangepeelbeef: | ah i just saw something in the log |
| [08:51:18] | orangepeelbeef: | 5 lines ok to spam? |
| [08:51:25] | justinh: | nope |
| [08:51:34] | justinh: | any more than 2 or 3 use a pastebin |
| [08:52:15] | orangepeelbeef: | http://pastebin.com/m265302fc |
| [08:52:38] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [08:52:57] | justinh: | that won't help. my stupid ass! dyndns IP has been set to 192.168.1.10 |
| [08:53:13] | justinh: | !trout justinh retard |
| [08:53:13] | ** MythLogBot slaps justinh with a retard trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [08:53:34] | orangepeelbeef: | channels count 6 fail hm |
| [08:53:45] | orangepeelbeef: | i don't remember setting channels, i'll go look |
| [08:54:18] | orangepeelbeef: | justinh: i assume that wasn't for me :P |
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| [08:55:16] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:55:21] | justinh: | there I am look ^^^ |
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| [08:55:38] | orangepeelbeef: | would that be "Max Audio Channels" ? |
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| [08:55:53] | orangepeelbeef: | not sure why it would say i can't do 5.1 |
| [08:56:36] | justinh: | thank gawd for the channel log.. that had my last known address in it |
| [08:57:30] | justinh: | lemme just log into my nxserver & I'll peek at that pastebin |
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| [08:59:22] | justinh: | oh wait I need to fix my dyndns updater first |
| [08:59:55] | orangepeelbeef: | heh :) |
| [09:00:31] | orangepeelbeef: | the main thing is this |
| [09:00:32] | orangepeelbeef: | AudioOutput Error: Channels count (6) not available: Invalid argument |
| [09:01:08] | justinh: | prolly trying to still use analogue |
| [09:01:32] | justinh: | what does aplay -L say the digital out is called? |
| [09:02:05] | orangepeelbeef: | iec958:CARD=SB,DEV=0 |
| [09:02:07] | orangepeelbeef: | HDA ATI SB, ALC885 Digital |
| [09:02:08] | orangepeelbeef: | IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output |
| [09:03:34] | justinh: | hrm |
| [09:05:37] | justinh: | dyndns is still saying last updated at 6am today |
| [09:07:36] | orangepeelbeef: | i don't see why your dyndns would matter |
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| [09:07:49] | orangepeelbeef: | it only gets people to your computer, not the other way ;) |
| [09:08:06] | orangepeelbeef: | but i have to say, how are you on IRC if you have no internet |
| [09:08:18] | sid3windr: | probably because justinh needs to get into his computer, not the other way ;) |
| [09:08:36] | justinh: | oh I'm in my home machine now |
| [09:08:49] | sid3windr: | novel idea though |
| [09:08:57] | sid3windr: | put a client on irc to track your IP :> |
| [09:09:13] | justinh: | just used the last known address the channel log said when the client timed out :) |
| [09:09:26] | justinh: | trying to figure wtf is up with ddclient |
| [09:10:06] | orangepeelbeef: | you could also just wget http://www.whatismyip.com |
| [09:10:21] | orangepeelbeef: | http://pastebin.com/de7044ab |
| [09:10:22] | sid3windr: | and then what? |
| [09:10:34] | sid3windr: | then you have your own ip address :/ |
| [09:10:37] | ** sid3windr doesn't get it ** | |
| [09:10:52] | orangepeelbeef: | you said put a client on irc to track your ip |
| [09:11:02] | orangepeelbeef: | much easier to just wget that page :P |
| [09:11:19] | sid3windr: | no, because then you have your own IP |
| [09:11:25] | sid3windr: | not the one of the box you want to reach |
| [09:11:47] | orangepeelbeef: | if you wget it on the box you want to reach and email it or twitter it or whatever |
| [09:11:57] | orangepeelbeef: | but regardless, i use dyndns too and my router updates the ip nicely |
| [09:12:20] | sid3windr: | you don't need to wget it to email it, as your ip is in the mail headers :> |
| [09:12:21] | justinh: | ddclient -v is saying the thing is already updated so it skips |
| [09:12:25] | justinh: | only it aint |
| [09:12:26] | sid3windr: | rm the cache then |
| [09:12:41] | sid3windr: | ezipupdate has some file that says when it was last updated |
| [09:12:47] | sid3windr: | or you could perhaps --force it somehow? :) |
| [09:12:50] | orangepeelbeef: | suppose you are right sid3windr |
| [09:13:11] | orangepeelbeef: | but anyway... any ideas why using iec958 it would say 6 channels is unsupported? |
| [09:13:51] | justinh: | it shouldn't |
| [09:14:04] | justinh: | not unless passthru isn't working |
| [09:15:13] | justinh: | finally. sheesh |
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| [09:16:29] | orangepeelbeef: | hm i think maybe i borked up my /etc/asound.conf |
| [09:16:47] | orangepeelbeef: | what should the default device be |
| [09:17:33] | orangepeelbeef: | i don't want to dmix it, just use straight so pcm.!default { type plug pcm "iec958" } should work yes? |
| [09:17:57] | justinh: | no idea, sorry |
| [09:18:05] | orangepeelbeef: | hrm |
| [09:18:06] | justinh: | I'm useless with alsa. I am a mere mortal |
| [09:18:10] | orangepeelbeef: | heh |
| [09:18:24] | justinh: | like most humans, alsa just looks like ?????????? to me |
| [09:18:39] | orangepeelbeef: | i had it working at one point, but i had to downgrade to 32 bit in order to get wma7 codec support without major pain in the ass |
| [09:18:42] | orangepeelbeef: | hehe |
| [09:19:05] | justinh: | ahh that's better. web browsing over nx over ssh. way faster than TOR |
| [09:19:37] | orangepeelbeef: | lol |
| [09:19:43] | orangepeelbeef: | tor is definitely not speedy |
| [09:21:16] | justinh: | ahhh rolf.. rolf indeed. anybody falling for this.. epic fail: http://tinyurl.com/cv6z7k |
| [09:23:29] | justinh: | so on the plus side I don't have a manual fsck to look forward to when I get home :D |
| [09:24:55] | JohnQ: | Which themes (if any), will correctly display the channel editor in mythtv-setup? |
| [09:24:59] | GrahamIRC: | 'scuse my stupidity – what is NX ? |
| [09:25:21] | justinh: | GrahamIRC: Compressed X forwarding over SSH. Velly efficient |
| [09:25:31] | justinh: | like VNC but without the suck |
| [09:25:32] | GrahamIRC: | ah cool |
| [09:25:35] | GrahamIRC: | rofl |
| [09:25:41] | GrahamIRC: | vnc was good once |
| [09:25:51] | justinh: | vnc is great when SSH isn't available |
| [09:25:53] | GrahamIRC: | and I 'spose vnc is multiplatform |
| [09:26:15] | justinh: | freenx is pretty much native X AFAIK |
| [09:26:25] | GrahamIRC: | but def gonna look at nx now :-) |
| [09:26:33] | justinh: | bitmaps are compressed and optionally encrippled |
| [09:26:45] | justinh: | but everything is piped over ssh anyway |
| [09:28:09] | orangepeelbeef: | ya nx is quite nice, i use it mainly because its ssh only |
| [09:28:33] | orangepeelbeef: | i'm going to reboot and see if my asound changes fixed things |
| [09:28:51] | orangepeelbeef: | unless you know of any other way to re-init alsa i tried /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| [09:28:56] | justinh: | just restart audio ? |
| [09:29:56] | orangepeelbeef: | ? |
| [09:30:09] | justinh: | hmmm. nevermind |
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| [09:35:14] | JohnQ: | Hah. answer is "None of them" Not one theme will display the channel editor correctly. Looks like I am gonna have to mangle the database myself. Fun! |
| [09:35:42] | justinh: | hmmm? |
| [09:36:05] | justinh: | never had any issues with it myself |
| [09:36:14] | JohnQ: | "it"? |
| [09:37:20] | justinh: | the channel editor |
| [09:37:39] | gbee: | channel editor works for me – in fact it's not even themed in 0.21 |
| [09:38:40] | JohnQ: | Im using svn, sadly |
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| [09:43:27] | gbee: | well then it still works for me |
| [09:45:21] | gbee: | yup, works just fine with both painters |
| [09:45:22] | mzb: | J-e-f-f-A: awake? |
| [09:45:59] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_channeleditor2.png |
| [09:47:35] | JohnQ: | Which theme is that? |
| [09:47:40] | JohnQ: | GNAT? |
| [09:47:46] | gbee: | little funky with Terra, seems I accidently committed an idea I was toying with, but it still works |
| [09:48:02] | gbee: | JohnQ: any theme (aside from Terra) |
| [09:48:12] | JohnQ: | I mean, the one in the screen-shot |
| [09:48:46] | waxhead: | has anyone had any 'issues' with decoding h264 files in mkvs? |
| [09:48:57] | waxhead: | the play back isn't so good.... |
| [09:52:30] | tank-man: | more info needed or we can play 20 questions |
| [09:53:18] | justinh: | I'd rather play hide the sausage |
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| [10:04:17] | JohnQ: | http://clank.zapto.org/badchanneleditor.png |
| [10:04:40] | tank-man: | waxhead, some useful info to tell people are like what resolution and bitrate the videos are, hardware you are using, versions of software, internal or external player, what you have done, where you have searched for info, what you searched for. We all don't got crystal balls |
| [10:05:06] | gbee: | JohnQ: hmm, that's not good, which theme painter? qt or opengl? |
| [10:05:27] | JohnQ: | QT, I beleive |
| [10:06:26] | mzb: | not sure if anyone is interested, but I've patched lcd4linux so that layers work for HD44780, and added a "frame" function that allows you to specify which frame of a bitmap array should be displayed by evaluated formula. |
| [10:06:36] | gbee: | heh, I've not the first clue what could cause that |
| [10:06:39] | waxhead: | mytbuntu, -.21, I've tried the interal player, vlc and mplayer... |
| [10:07:02] | mzb: | (layers + visibility, that is) |
| [10:07:05] | JohnQ: | Same thing happens with OpenGL |
| [10:07:11] | waxhead: | playback is choppy with vlc, interal player and mplayer have grainy output |
| [10:07:29] | waxhead: | I'm not sure if there are missing libraries... |
| [10:07:36] | gbee: | JohnQ: qt version? |
| [10:07:49] | gbee: | qtconfig --version |
| [10:07:51] | waxhead: | the mkvs are encoded with ffmpeg on win32 |
| [10:08:05] | gbee: | sorry, qmake --version |
| [10:09:34] | JohnQ: | 4.4.3 |
| [10:09:57] | gbee: | first line of mythfrontend --version |
| [10:10:21] | gbee: | well second line, "MythTV Version : 20291M" |
| [10:10:34] | sid3windr: | woah, 20G ! |
| [10:10:56] | JohnQ: | MythTv Version : 20293 |
| [10:12:14] | GreyFoxx: | Hahaha the mythbuntu cabelcard support post got me for a second :) |
| [10:12:34] | gbee: | JohnQ: are you running it windowed? |
| [10:12:41] | JohnQ: | nope |
| [10:14:18] | gbee: | I'm leaning towards a QT bug, but you aren't using an unusual version, could be some funky platform specific thing though |
| [10:14:29] | gbee: | JohnQ: this doesn't happen to screens in the frontend? |
| [10:14:35] | JohnQ: | knoppmyth is the platform |
| [10:14:47] | JohnQ: | No.. but they dont really look "right" either... |
| [10:14:55] | justinh: | eew. looks like I never got round to redrawing that white box |
| [10:14:59] | JohnQ: | but they arent nearly as bad as the channel editor |
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| [10:15:42] | justinh: | the problem with GIMP generated images... |
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| [10:15:50] | gbee: | I'll check with cesman whether he can reproduce with knopp ... err LES |
| [10:15:58] | justinh: | LHES |
| [10:16:16] | justinh: | not the dopey looking guy off of Vic Reeves' Big Night Out :P |
| [10:17:18] | gbee: | I've not seen problems like the ones in that screenshot since the early inheritence bugs, but those were squashed months ago |
| [10:17:44] | JohnQ: | Might be some kind of font issue I guess.. but I never had any problems in 0.21 |
| [10:17:59] | justinh: | trunk on LHES... hrm |
| [10:18:20] | gbee: | don't think it wouldn't explain the alignment failures |
| [10:20:29] | waxhead: | hmm... HD isn't so well supported... |
| [10:20:59] | waxhead: | what's the best option for BD on myth? |
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| [10:24:18] | gbee: | HD isn't well supported?? By what? |
| [10:24:44] | sid3windr: | april fool's ! :> |
| [10:25:22] | justinh: | great about mythbuntu supporting cablecard now innit |
| [10:26:50] | waxhead: | gbee, BD rip encoded to h264 in mkv |
| [10:26:57] | waxhead: | HD TV is ok... |
| [10:27:36] | waxhead: | been googling like mad.. haven't had much success in a solution... |
| [10:27:52] | waxhead: | vlc did OK.. but choppy video playback... |
| [10:27:55] | gbee: | 0.21? |
| [10:27:59] | waxhead: | yep... |
| [10:28:07] | waxhead: | mythbuntu install... |
| [10:28:08] | justinh: | oops. machine rebooted twice when the power went out & I ain't checked the backend is running yet. or the database. smack |
| [10:28:23] | sid3windr: | mmyeah |
| [10:28:26] | sid3windr: | should put this into nagios :) |
| [10:28:52] | JohnQ: | Any of you using a HDHR in the bay area? |
| [10:29:02] | waxhead: | HDHR? |
| [10:29:08] | gbee: | ahh, well that's maybe less suprising, but all the same 0.21-fixes has no problems with h.264 playback for me (but it depends on the encoding options) |
| [10:29:41] | JohnQ: | hdhomerun |
| [10:29:45] | gbee: | High-Def Home Homerun |
| [10:29:55] | waxhead: | gbee, OK.. I'll have to a look at what I'm doing with them then... |
| [10:29:57] | gbee: | s/Home// |
| [10:30:08] | gbee: | waxhead: what CPU? |
| [10:30:13] | waxhead: | dual core |
| [10:30:38] | waxhead: | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8200 @ 2.66GHz |
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| [10:32:47] | waxhead: | I'd put one of hte files up, but the smallest is 7gig |
| [10:32:56] | gbee: | might be single sliced and/or using Spatial+MBAFF ... either would given a 0.21 fixes machine, or even a ~2.5 Ghz cpu some trouble |
| [10:35:26] | waxhead: | gbee, just read something about this single sliced thing... |
| [10:35:31] | gbee: | what bitrate did you use? |
| [10:37:15] | waxhead: | gbee, I used ripbot on windows to do it.. just checking the preferences... |
| [10:37:43] | waxhead: | --level 4.0 --aud --nal-hrd --vbv-bufsize 25000 --vbv-maxrate 25000 --filter 0,0 --ref 3 --mixed-refs --bframes 3 --b-adapt 1 --weightb --direct auto --subme 7 --trellis 1 --partitions all --8x8dct --me umh --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim |
| [10:37:46] | justinh: | if it's single sliced, it doesn't (yet) matter how many cores you have |
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| [10:50:56] | waxhead: | mediainfo is a handy tool |
| [10:51:00] | waxhead: | bitrate: 13.4 Mbps |
| [10:52:17] | gbee: | hmm, that's on the low side, but guessing from the args that it's variable and only appears that low because of the frame it sampled |
| [10:52:50] | ** gbee is no expert on h.264 options ** | |
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| [10:55:48] | waxhead: | well vlc on windows is struggling and this is a quad core |
| [10:56:01] | waxhead: | not cpu bound that's for sure |
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| [11:16:19] | gxxr: | ok, i'm officially confused. i installed the s2-liplianin-drivers for my technotrend 3650 s2-usb-receiver, and mythtv svn. it works for normal tv-channels, but hd-channels get "stuck" after 1–20 seconds. since that's also the case with kaffeine i wanted to try out some different drivers. but now there's s2liplianin, there's multiproto, and on the same server that you can get the multiproto-tree from there's also v4l-dvb. and |
| [11:16:19] | gxxr: | then there's this mantis-thing that keeps being mentioned also. there are about a million patches lying around on various servers for various versions of mythtv, etc. i understand that mulitproto is somewhat dead, and that s2api is the future, but if the multiproto-driver worked better for me i'd be willing to use it for now. the more i read on mailinglists and forums, however the more confused i get as to: *) what does myt |
| [11:16:20] | gxxr: | htv-svn support at the moment? *) what can it be patched for *) is anybody using mythtv-svn with the receiver i have sucessfully, and if so, with what driver? any help to not have me go totally insane over this would be much appreciated. |
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| [11:25:03] | justinh: | there I go again RTFMing on a new toy before I've even got it :) |
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| [11:26:21] | justinh: | ooo. Since my toaster kept blowing the trip this morning... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/0 . . . le_on_a.html |
| [11:26:42] | laga: | justinh: i got a new toaster. it doesn't turn off. |
| [11:26:50] | laga: | that was a rather cirspy breakfast |
| [11:27:58] | justinh: | heheh |
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| [11:54:22] | justinh: | damn. getting a UPS. must be serious about uptime :) |
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| [12:05:47] | FrankBattaglia: | my schedules are suddenly empty |
| [12:06:22] | FrankBattaglia: | ran mythfilldatabase several times, don't see any errors, just an empty schedule |
| [12:07:19] | justinh: | do you mean the guide looks empty or the list of upcoming recordings is empty? |
| [12:08:13] | justinh: | with schedulesdirect the grabber only gets data at predetermined times to help stop the servers being overloaded. maybe you've run into that |
| [12:08:28] | FrankBattaglia: | the channel guide is empty |
| [12:08:56] | justinh: | and I suppose you've not changed anything or allowed any updates to install etc |
| [12:09:24] | FrankBattaglia: | nope |
| [12:09:26] | FrankBattaglia: | :( |
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| [12:13:24] | FrankBattaglia: | hurm |
| [12:13:41] | FrankBattaglia: | intriguing. My system date is Sun Mar 29.... wtf |
| [12:13:46] | FrankBattaglia: | that may be involved |
| [12:17:51] | FrankBattaglia: | yup, that was it |
| [12:17:56] | FrankBattaglia: | ignore me, i'm an idiot |
| [12:18:09] | FrankBattaglia: | now, as to how my system clock got skewed by 3 days, I have no idea... |
| [12:18:22] | justinh: | hahah nothing changed.. not even the date. lol :D |
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| [12:27:17] | oobe: | mkv now works in internal player |
| [12:27:45] | oobe: | i just tried this it didnt work say 4 months ago when did this happen |
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| [12:32:59] | gbee: | mkv has worked in the internal player for a couple of years or more |
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| [12:38:42] | oobe: | oh ok maybe i just didnt have it added into my file extensions |
| [12:39:09] | hybr1der: | hi could someone help my figure out why i get error 255 when i try to transcode? |
| [12:40:18] | oobe: | gbee, i asked you last night what country you were from cause you said somthing about download limits in australia most isp's are stingey with downloads but i thought it was better OS |
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| [12:41:56] | oobe: | hybr1der, have you configured your transcoding profiles |
| [12:44:23] | hybr1der: | no, i thought they were preconfigured |
| [12:44:27] | hybr1der: | how do i do that? |
| [12:44:55] | Cyberai: | Does anyone know how to delete a single input without deleting them ALL? I disconnected an input and just want to prevent the system from trying to use it. |
| [12:46:13] | oobe: | hybr1der, they are to some extent i think its at the bottom under tv settings in your frontend |
| [12:47:25] | oobe: | its recording profiles |
| [12:47:35] | oobe: | its recording profiles / transcoders |
| [12:47:46] | hybr1der: | okay found them, but there are already a few profiles |
| [12:47:50] | gbee: | oobe: wasn't refering to download limits of the ISP, but the number of downloads I get per month from emusic |
| [12:48:05] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [12:48:35] | hybr1der: | autodetect from RTjpeg/MPEG4, autodetect from MPEG2, high quality, medium quality, low quality |
| [12:48:40] | oobe: | in australia a lot of isp's most isp's that is have metered monthly downloads |
| [12:49:25] | oobe: | hybr1der, you need to pick one of those as your default profile and optionally modify it to your liking |
| [12:50:05] | oobe: | page 3 of tv settings / general |
| [12:52:56] | hybr1der: | got a new error 139 |
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| [12:53:21] | oobe: | well atleast the errors are getting smaller |
| [12:53:52] | hybr1der: | hehe thx mate |
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| [13:00:31] | oobe: | do you want lossless transcoding |
| [13:01:37] | hybr1der: | not necessarily |
| [13:01:51] | hybr1der: | is this a normal error: codec MP3 has 0 channels |
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| [13:03:58] | hybr1der: | it doesnt seem right does it? |
| [13:04:03] | oobe: | i havent heard it before |
| [13:04:17] | oobe: | are you using a framegrabber |
| [13:05:45] | oobe: | like what sort of tuner are you using |
| [13:06:19] | hybr1der: | DVB-T |
| [13:07:26] | hybr1der: | terratec cinergy DT USB XS |
| [13:10:28] | hybr1der: | it looks like from the logs that theres a problem with the audio, do i need to have audio enabled on the server for transcoding to work? |
| [13:11:51] | justinh: | oo my UPS has been dispatched |
| [13:12:24] | hybr1der: | look at this part: AFD: codec MP3 has 0 channels, AFD: Opened codec 0x90bc010, id(MP3) type(Audio), AFD: Opened codec 0x90bc380, id(DVB_SUBTITLE) type(Subtitle), NVP: Disabling Audio, params(16,2,0) Segmentation fault |
| [13:12:31] | GrahamIRC: | what UPS did you get? |
| [13:12:36] | GrahamIRC: | and is it coming via UPS? |
| [13:12:45] | justinh: | GrahamIRC: bottom dowwar Ebuyer jobby |
| [13:12:57] | justinh: | supported in loonix apparently |
| [13:13:18] | GrahamIRC: | I got some cheapy Belkins at the mo |
| [13:13:30] | justinh: | plexus 500VA thingy |
| [13:13:32] | GrahamIRC: | have serial notification and some Linux software |
| [13:13:41] | GrahamIRC: | but not tried it yet |
| [13:13:47] | justinh: | £34 or so |
| [13:13:54] | hybr1der: | i used: tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [13:14:15] | GrahamIRC: | 800VA jobbies |
| [13:14:26] | justinh: | how much? |
| [13:14:53] | justinh: | I just want mine to let the backend power down gracefully is all. not like I'm _that_ arsed about recording telly |
| [13:15:32] | GrahamIRC: | I can't remember – not hugely expensive |
| [13:15:32] | justinh: | heheh it's all kicking off in the capitol |
| [13:16:04] | GrahamIRC: | I have one on my backend – was really just to cover the brownouts and micro-cuts that seem to occur more regularly these days |
| [13:16:26] | justinh: | I can remember all the powercuts I've had in the last 11 years |
| [13:16:45] | justinh: | one actual supply failure the electric company was responsible for |
| [13:17:32] | justinh: | the other times were due to a vacuum cleaner flex shorting, my inlaws visiting & overloading the main fuse and my toaster biting the dust :) |
| [13:17:42] | GrahamIRC: | my older machines are fine with cuts of a second or so |
| [13:17:52] | justinh: | blimey. |
| [13:17:55] | GrahamIRC: | but the newer CPUs etc seem to be less resilient |
| [13:18:00] | justinh: | that's impressive holdup time |
| [13:18:10] | GrahamIRC: | big caps or something! |
| [13:18:16] | justinh: | are those older machines AT or ATX though? |
| [13:18:49] | justinh: | if 'power good' drops out from an ATX supply it'll kick the motherboard into reset no matter what the voltage rails are at |
| [13:18:56] | GrahamIRC: | AT |
| [13:19:03] | justinh: | yeah bingo :) |
| [13:19:16] | justinh: | no 'power good' signalling |
| [13:19:34] | GrahamIRC: | but the last of those has gone now – all machines are now reasonably modern :-) |
| [13:19:43] | justinh: | plus modern PSUs aren't really made for long holdup times |
| [13:20:17] | GrahamIRC: | true |
| [13:20:18] | justinh: | I have a ballache sourcing PSUs we can use here since we need 20 mains cycles holdup time at almost full load |
| [13:20:48] | justinh: | British Standards for security equipment |
| [13:20:48] | GrahamIRC: | I've never really looked in to it in that much detail lol |
| [13:21:04] | justinh: | yeah well, ours has to be measured & certified |
| [13:21:08] | GrahamIRC: | Ah, I have to deal with crud like PCI:DSS instead |
| [13:21:27] | justinh: | it's part of our EMC testing now |
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| [13:21:59] | GrahamIRC: | what sort of security equipment is it? |
| [13:22:03] | justinh: | CCTV |
| [13:22:38] | GrahamIRC: | so why so stringent on hold up time? |
| [13:22:47] | justinh: | just part of the BS regs |
| [13:22:57] | justinh: | no other reason |
| [13:23:18] | justinh: | irrelevant in most of the markets we sell into (USA etc) since their native mains is so crap |
| [13:23:42] | GrahamIRC: | lol |
| [13:23:50] | GrahamIRC: | I think ours may be heading the same way! |
| [13:24:11] | justinh: | we're heading for a big crisis if we're to believe the doom mongers |
| [13:24:31] | GrahamIRC: | self-sufficiency here I come! |
| [13:24:38] | justinh: | bwahahaha |
| [13:24:43] | justinh: | you'll be lucky |
| [13:24:54] | justinh: | unless you give up your tech at home |
| [13:25:39] | justinh: | I happened upon my CRT TV user manual the other day. 125W consumption. hmmm 32" Plasma or LCD is like double that or so innit |
| [13:26:05] | GrahamIRC: | :-/ |
| [13:26:23] | GrahamIRC: | an acre of solar panels..... |
| [13:26:56] | justinh: | oh wait... LCD is less than CRT |
| [13:27:04] | justinh: | but plasma is like 2x CRT |
| [13:27:17] | GrahamIRC: | all the more reason to buy an OLED |
| [13:27:28] | GrahamIRC: | so long as you dont mind squinting at an 11" screen! |
| [13:27:41] | justinh: | fresnel lens ftw! :D |
| [13:27:43] | GrahamIRC: | I had a 42" LG plasma |
| [13:27:48] | hybr1der: | but the lifetime for a OLED is very short |
| [13:27:48] | GrahamIRC: | weighed a bloddy ton! |
| [13:27:56] | GrahamIRC: | well...98 Kilos! |
| [13:28:04] | justinh: | I know. I helped haul one to a linux show stand once |
| [13:28:16] | GrahamIRC: | perhaps we'll be able to grow them from seeds one day |
| [13:28:36] | GrahamIRC: | the LCD that replaced it is around 30Kgs |
| [13:28:52] | justinh: | 30 kilos isn't bad |
| [13:29:10] | GrahamIRC: | nope, that's easily managable by one person |
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| [13:29:20] | GrahamIRC: | but the plasma – definitely a 2 person job |
| [13:29:29] | justinh: | my CRT weighs in at erm.... too much for me – at least in terms of being able ot grab hold of myself :P |
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| [13:30:50] | GrahamIRC: | they are heavy no matter what size they are |
| [13:31:11] | justinh: | weight wouldn't be so bad on its own if I could get my arms around it to pick it up! |
| [13:31:16] | justinh: | I'm only ickle |
| [13:31:45] | justinh: | I wasn't gonna pay the £50 installation fee just for them to hoik it onto the stand |
| [13:33:00] | GrahamIRC: | I know what you mean! |
| [13:33:10] | justinh: | roflmao @ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/377283 |
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| [13:34:22] | GrahamIRC: | exactly the answer I would have given! |
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| [13:34:57] | justinh: | how very dare they! |
| [13:37:01] | justinh: | hmmm still haven't succeeded in disabling this stupid appear/disappear menu effect in KDUH |
| [13:37:15] | GrahamIRC: | always someone wanting to make a buck and not share |
| [13:37:45] | justinh: | spoke to quite a lot of people at a linux show who saw mythtv & thought $$$$$$$$$$$$ |
| [13:38:06] | justinh: | they quickly lost interest when they were told about codec licenses & crap |
| [13:38:17] | GrahamIRC: | and like all good OSS there is money to be made in packaging and support |
| [13:38:31] | GrahamIRC: | yeah that does make it trickier |
| [13:38:35] | justinh: | money to be _made_ from support? lol |
| [13:38:48] | GrahamIRC: | I didn't say fortunes |
| [13:38:53] | GrahamIRC: | but RedHat do it |
| [13:39:09] | GrahamIRC: | and one guy in the uk is doing it off the back of LinuxMCE |
| [13:39:11] | justinh: | anybody could knock mythtv based STBs together, even with codec blessings.. but it's support I wouldn't wanna touch with yours mate |
| [13:39:30] | GrahamIRC: | I agree, but then I hate doing support |
| [13:39:47] | GrahamIRC: | always hate to tell acquaintances that I work in IT |
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| [13:40:04] | justinh: | linuxmce has a uk 'vendor'? |
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| [13:40:10] | justinh: | wonder which mug that is |
| [13:40:14] | GrahamIRC: | it's the equivalent of the hypocondriac being introduced socially to a doctor |
| [13:40:36] | GrahamIRC: | yeah, http://www.dianemo.co.uk/index.php/home |
| [13:41:40] | GrahamIRC: | am tempted to email him asking where the source code is |
| [13:42:01] | justinh: | g p l v i o l a t i o n ? :D |
| [13:44:01] | GrahamIRC: | uhuh |
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| [13:46:20] | justinh: | well, whatever they're doing they say that the software can't be distributed |
| [13:47:03] | justinh: | "Such software programs may only be used by the Customer and a revocable non-exclusive licence is hereby granted for the sole use of the Customer (so far as CHT are able to grant such licence) and any software must not be copied or altered or otherwise modified in any way" |
| [13:47:42] | justinh: | though under the GPL they're ineligble for the right to revoke any privileges innit |
| [13:48:05] | GrahamIRC: | except for any bits the wrote themselves from scratch |
| [13:48:05] | GrahamIRC: | ? |
| [13:48:54] | justinh: | yeh whichever bits they are. if any |
| [13:48:56] | mzb: | that one might need reporting |
| [13:49:02] | GrahamIRC: | it's one of the things that put me off LMCE |
| [13:49:30] | justinh: | I tried it. that put me off it |
| [13:49:41] | GrahamIRC: | I might be wrong, but it definitely feels that it's being developed for the commercial benefit of the few people that you can get the limited hardware that's supported from |
| [13:50:01] | GrahamIRC: | lol, well the menu system looks horrid – tho I like the idea of menu over media |
| [13:50:04] | justinh: | nah I don't think so |
| [13:50:21] | GrahamIRC: | must be the cynic in me lol |
| [13:50:22] | justinh: | it's just that it takes time to write support in for devices |
| [13:50:34] | GrahamIRC: | but in any case, hardware support is scant and expensive |
| [13:50:35] | justinh: | so they're working with common HA hardware kit |
| [13:51:13] | justinh: | if you have a big enough house to warrant anything like that, you likely wouldn't sniff at paying a company to come & integrate everything for you |
| [13:51:25] | GrahamIRC: | I disagree |
| [13:51:40] | justinh: | what's 10 grand when your house cost £10m ? |
| [13:51:41] | GrahamIRC: | I have a largish house, but I dont want to pay loadsa money for a system |
| [13:51:51] | GrahamIRC: | ok, my house is not that big! lol |
| [13:52:13] | justinh: | actually my sister's boyfriend is on a good number. B&O installer, got his own business |
| [13:52:18] | GrahamIRC: | agreed at that level it's not an issue – but to my mind that's not an opensource project |
| [13:52:25] | GrahamIRC: | that's a commercial enterprise |
| [13:52:39] | justinh: | it's getting work done for free |
| [13:52:48] | GrahamIRC: | yep |
| [13:53:17] | justinh: | pluto weren't all take though.. they paid for the telnet interface |
| [13:53:23] | justinh: | (to mythtv) |
| [13:53:33] | GrahamIRC: | well exactly – you should give back |
| [13:53:43] | GrahamIRC: | afterall they aren't really overlapping markets |
| [13:54:05] | justinh: | I suspect Dianemo are rebadging someone else's work |
| [13:54:14] | GrahamIRC: | those who can afford commercial systems (even those based on OSS) are not likely to be looking at doing it themselves |
| [13:54:33] | GrahamIRC: | I was told on #linuxmce that it is based on lmce |
| [13:54:47] | justinh: | have you seen the price of HA gear? it's all £silly anyway |
| [13:54:54] | GrahamIRC: | but I dont know where the packaging comes from |
| [13:55:00] | GrahamIRC: | yeah I know! |
| [13:55:11] | GrahamIRC: | but X10 and DIY is affordable |
| [13:55:24] | justinh: | X10 is shite though |
| [13:55:38] | justinh: | pull cat5 & use DMX :) |
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| [13:58:41] | justinh: | USB-DMX is cheaper than PC-X10 :) |
| [13:58:53] | justinh: | DMX dimmer & switch packs are cheaper than X10 modules |
| [13:59:46] | justinh: | and a eeeedle beet faster. like you can refresh all 512 DMX addresses in a matter of millseconds |
| [14:00:12] | SpaceBass: | hey folks |
| [14:00:12] | justinh: | I think even IR remote control is faster than X10 :P |
| [14:02:08] | GrahamIRC: | lol true |
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| [14:02:34] | GrahamIRC: | tho a mate of mine has a load installed running from Linux and it seems to work ok |
| [14:02:42] | justinh: | you know the '10' comes from like '10 bps' right? so somebody at work reckons |
| [14:02:53] | justinh: | GrahamIRC: wait til he gets low energy lights |
| [14:03:01] | GrahamIRC: | haha |
| [14:03:09] | justinh: | just eats up all the X10 |
| [14:03:11] | GrahamIRC: | well I did find some that support dimmers |
| [14:03:39] | justinh: | SMPSUs are nasty to X10 too.. the inductors in them just snuff out the carrier |
| [14:04:05] | GrahamIRC: | I'll go for a wired solution like DMX – something with feedback |
| [14:04:13] | GrahamIRC: | but X10 is easy to install with no fuss |
| [14:04:35] | GrahamIRC: | but I'm about to start rewiring my place so I'll bring all the lights and switches back to one point |
| [14:04:35] | justinh: | DMX has no feedback either, but it's a sight more robust ;) |
| [14:04:53] | justinh: | X10 DIN Rail.. chunky |
| [14:05:00] | GrahamIRC: | easy to deinstall everything or replace bits when they go wrong then |
| [14:05:26] | justinh: | true. how does the cable budget compare to just rings though? |
| [14:05:50] | justinh: | esp. considering the current price of copper |
| [14:05:56] | GrahamIRC: | haven't costed it |
| [14:06:11] | GrahamIRC: | but I wont be installing the control stuff as I rewire |
| [14:06:28] | GrahamIRC: | and it's easier to experiment with everything in one place |
| [14:06:45] | GrahamIRC: | hell, PC-controller relays! |
| [14:07:04] | justinh: | I could do with putting a channel in a wall to take new pipe & cable conduit. wanna redo my CH loop |
| [14:07:09] | justinh: | and a rewire |
| [14:07:54] | GrahamIRC: | yeswas wondering about conduit too since I'll probably be super insulating the suspended ground floors |
| [14:08:25] | justinh: | the frights I've seen. ceiling rose in the hallway connected to a junction in the cable... earths had been twisted together & the L & N just choccy block covered in SELLOTAPE |
| [14:08:59] | GrahamIRC: | the one in my hall was the same – except without the choccy block – just the selotape |
| [14:09:05] | justinh: | lol |
| [14:09:09] | justinh: | bzzzt |
| [14:09:18] | GrahamIRC: | it caught my attention when I heard just that sort of noise! |
| [14:09:53] | GrahamIRC: | and this used to be a nursing home! |
| [14:10:12] | justinh: | one of my mates has a homeseer system, all X10 & stuff. his leccy bill is scary |
| [14:10:20] | GrahamIRC: | and there is my other problem. cos all the ceilings downstairs have been over boarded for fire regs |
| [14:10:26] | justinh: | I mean mine is scary but his is just silly scary |
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| [14:10:32] | GrahamIRC: | only problem is they stuck the wiring between the two ceilings! |
| [14:10:40] | justinh: | pfff |
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| [14:11:09] | GrahamIRC: | does he leave all the lights on then? |
| [14:11:13] | justinh: | nope |
| [14:11:22] | justinh: | lives on his own too |
| [14:11:35] | justinh: | bill is like £120 a month |
| [14:11:56] | justinh: | keep telling him to look for the immigrants in his attic |
| [14:12:29] | GrahamIRC: | lol |
| [14:12:34] | GrahamIRC: | what the hell is he doing? |
| [14:13:31] | GrahamIRC: | mind you, mine's about £100 month |
| [14:16:09] | GrahamIRC: | that'll be the 5 machines that are on 24/7 and the few others that are probably 12/7! |
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| [14:16:10] | iamlindoro_: | I can't believe we've gone 16 hours with no mention on the users list of the leaked ION specs and prices |
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| [14:16:24] | GrahamIRC: | ION? |
| [14:16:33] | justinh: | april foo ? |
| [14:16:54] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, Pre-foo |
| [14:17:07] | justinh: | ooo |
| [14:17:32] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/03/31/ion-base . . . mi-playback/ |
| [14:17:39] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, $149–299 |
| [14:17:47] | iamlindoro_: | At that price, it's almost worth contemplating |
| [14:17:57] | justinh: | new generation flea pea |
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| [14:20:15] | GrahamIRC: | more oooo's |
| [14:23:30] | justinh: | what bloody planet do managers live on? really! |
| [14:23:31] | rhpot1991: | iamlindoro_: looks like an april fools joke |
| [14:24:09] | justinh: | starting to think I can predict the next day at work by looking at Dilbert.com |
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| [14:30:10] | genii: | Dilbert – the prophet of our times |
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| [14:31:06] | justinh: | ach well. time to go home I suppose |
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| [14:35:05] | GrahamIRC: | he is scarily accurate |
| [14:35:26] | GrahamIRC: | Cheers JustinH |
| [14:37:53] | hybr1der: | anyone one here now who could help me out with mythtvs transcoder, i get error 139, i got logs and stuff if they are to any help |
| [14:38:32] | GrahamIRC: | I would if I could :-) |
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| [14:40:11] | hybr1der: | thx for your mental support :D |
| [14:40:11] | wagnerrp: | so is the star trek sequel the last legitimate article on slashdot? |
| [14:40:24] | iamlindoro: | Looks like |
| [14:41:54] | GrahamIRC: | My best wishes are with you Hybr1der! |
| [14:43:21] | wagnerrp: | heres one... genetically modified 'permanent kittens', they never grow into adult cats |
| [14:43:35] | GrahamIRC: | haha! |
| [14:43:40] | GrahamIRC: | that would be so cool |
| [14:43:44] | wagnerrp: | except, they wished everyone a happy april fools at the end of the article |
| [14:43:49] | wagnerrp: | they fail... hard |
| [14:44:00] | GrahamIRC: | tho geriactric kittens could be a little scary |
| [14:44:15] | wagnerrp: | SGI was bought for $25M |
| [14:44:35] | GrahamIRC: | that has to be an April fools – they're not worth that! lol |
| [14:45:23] | wagnerrp: | space launches capped to save ozone layer... didnt the ozone scare die off in the 90s? |
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| [14:47:09] | gbee: | the hype and publicity did, overtaken by climate change hype instead, the problem never went away though (and is a little more scientifically sound) |
| [14:47:27] | pbj_: | Hey Guys. Could some one show me the fix of this – ERROR: MythTV database has a newer TV schema (1232) than expected (1228) |
| [14:47:46] | wagnerrp: | you updated one part, without updating another part |
| [14:47:56] | wagnerrp: | everything should be updated at once |
| [14:48:06] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, you get differing schemas |
| [14:48:20] | wagnerrp: | its even more important to people running trunk |
| [14:48:29] | wagnerrp: | which it appears you are |
| [14:50:44] | pbj_: | Well – all I did was trying to add a new secondary backend – Which gave me this problem |
| [14:50:52] | pbj_: | But thanks for the answer |
| [14:51:15] | wagnerrp: | ideally, you want all running software to be of the same revision |
| [14:52:57] | pbj_: | Well – Guess I'll just update the other 5 clients – hmmm grr |
| [14:53:01] | wagnerrp: | woman in florida follows satnav 2 miles down dirt road, ending up in a lake. tasered after she pepper sprayed two cops trying to assist |
| [14:53:18] | GrahamIRC: | now that I can believe! |
| [14:53:31] | wagnerrp: | silly register... only you brits follow your satnavs down one way streets and into bodies of water |
| [14:53:40] | GrahamIRC: | pah! |
| [14:54:02] | meshe: | i give up on the news today |
| [14:54:07] | GrahamIRC: | actually mine did do just that – but it was a ford so I suppose it was ok if a little unexpected |
| [14:54:27] | wagnerrp: | as seen by two other legitimate 'related stories' |
| [14:54:36] | wagnerrp: | one from the 25th, and the 26th |
| [14:54:37] | GrahamIRC: | tho I didn't drive thru it since the little measuring stick said 4' ! |
| [14:54:39] | shadn_: | what happened to todays release? |
| [14:54:59] | wagnerrp: | one managed to break before driving off a cliff... the other drove into a river |
| [14:55:03] | wagnerrp: | shadn_: what release? |
| [14:55:15] | shadn_: | I was expecting a "nothing works but you can try it kind of thing" |
| [14:55:58] | shadn_: | I just thought there would be some kind of april fools goof |
| [14:55:59] | wagnerrp: | try what? mythtv is open source, you can go onto subversion and trac, and try anything that anyone has dumped in the wild |
| [14:57:24] | iamlindoro: | Well there's the new mythbuntu cablecard-capable version |
| [14:57:34] | shadn_: | maybe something like "Mythtv is proud to release the newest version of SVN as of update xxx and soone to be preplaced by xxx" |
| [14:57:35] | wagnerrp: | but that was available last night |
| [14:57:50] | shadn_: | replaced |
| [14:57:54] | pbj_: | Well – As I discovered some problems and ending up with running mythtv-svn -r 20138 – wich mythplugins are working with that release ( plugins from svn – allso themes?) are the following eachother in numbers |
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| [14:58:24] | iamlindoro: | All plugins are always working, generally speaking |
| [14:58:33] | iamlindoro: | but your myth and plugins need to be identical revisions |
| [14:59:20] | wagnerrp: | or else, mythtv will complain of version mismatches, and refuse to load said plugins |
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| [15:03:01] | d00gle: | is there anyway to look at why mythtv isn't seeing a signal chanel scanning on DVB-S2 when szap-s2 will lock to a channel fine ? |
| [15:03:10] | pbj_: | OK – So should download -r 20138 of plugins and themes allso to make it work – National football game tonigth |
| [15:03:27] | wagnerrp: | d00gle: are you running trunk? did you apply the necessary dvb-s2 patches? |
| [15:03:49] | d00gle: | i'm using patch s2api.riky.r0.patch from ticket #5882 on latest trunk |
| [15:03:51] | iamlindoro: | If you are concerned about the basic myth functionalities for your football game tonight, I *strongly* urge you to roll everything back to the release |
| [15:04:01] | wagnerrp: | just checking... |
| [15:04:05] | d00gle: | no thats fine |
| [15:04:28] | d00gle: | i'm new to the DVB-S2 stuff so by all means let me know if I should be doing something |
| [15:04:40] | d00gle: | scan-s2 and szap-s2 find the DVB-S2 channels fine |
| [15:04:53] | d00gle: | the only thing I have noticed is that if I tell Myth to scan a freq |
| [15:05:04] | d00gle: | i see the following |
| [15:05:06] | d00gle: | DVBChan(4:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): New Params: f: 11798000 mod: qpsk inv: a fec: 3/5hp: 3/5 lp: 3/5 bandw: a transmode: a guardi: auto hier: a polar: h msys: dvbs2 rolloff: 0.35 |
| [15:05:10] | wagnerrp: | dont know a thing about it, besides its not really in myth yet (not yet in SVN) |
| [15:05:16] | d00gle: | DVBChan(4:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Tune(): Tuning to 1198000kHz |
| [15:05:30] | d00gle: | and myth just sits waiting for a signal |
| [15:05:46] | d00gle: | yeh, not really much info I can make use of on the mailing lists |
| [15:06:14] | d00gle: | and the thread regarding #5882 has been closed and the patches dont' all work on latest trunk |
| [15:06:35] | d00gle: | the tuning info that Myth is showing me doesn't seem right though |
| [15:06:58] | d00gle: | even though i'm telling it to scan 11798000 it looks like it's trying 1198000 |
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| [15:18:26] | gumpert345: | hi does someone use the Intel(R) DG45FC mainboard? |
| [15:22:08] | anykey_: | d00gle: Had the same problem, no luck yet :/ |
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| [15:22:51] | d00gle: | anykey_: do you also see the strange frequency miss match ? |
| [15:23:10] | anykey_: | d00gle: I see that with normal DVB-S too |
| [15:23:47] | d00gle: | but it still works ? |
| [15:24:04] | d00gle: | i tried scanning some DVB-S channels, although they are all populated anyway and couldn't see the freq miss match |
| [15:26:02] | d00gle: | anykey_: which DVB-S2 patch you using ? |
| [15:26:05] | rhpot1991: | anyone else contacted comcast to get their cable card yet: http://www.mythbuntu.org/cablecard |
| [15:26:14] | ** rhpot1991 has an appointment for saturday ** | |
| [15:26:50] | sphery: | d00gle: TTBOMK, you can tell Myth to start scanning on a particular frequency, but when it receives some table which includes frequency information, it scans that freq (i.e. it assumes that the broadcaster is /not/ supplying garbage). I think that's why it's going to the other frequency. |
| [15:26:59] | iamlindoro: | Mine arrived on the back of a beautiful unicorn this morning |
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| [15:28:13] | d00gle: | thanks sphery, so i'm prob worrying about the wrong thing then there |
| [15:28:32] | d00gle: | just can't understand why myth doesn't get a signal |
| [15:28:36] | anykey_: | d00gle: the latest one. |
| [15:28:41] | iamlindoro: | It's probably mkrufky's fault |
| [15:28:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Do you think the CableCARD will let you decode all your Blu-Rays, too? |
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| [15:29:20] | anykey_: | d00gle: I didn't test DVB-S with this specific card, though I remember the mismatch from others |
| [15:29:30] | d00gle: | anykey_: is that s2api.riky.r0.patch |
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| [15:29:38] | sphery: | d00gle: yeah, I think the problem is not the frequency thing, but likely the patch or the driver or ... :) |
| [15:29:53] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I'm pretty sure it will |
| [15:30:02] | Shadow__X1: | hmm |
| [15:30:04] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: are you flirting with me again, or is there a bug i should look at? |
| [15:30:07] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I think you get all the pay per view for free, too |
| [15:30:16] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: Just getting lost in your eyes again |
| [15:30:24] | mkrufky: | whatever happened, happened |
| [15:30:31] | d00gle: | sphery: scan-s2 and szap-s2 work fine, even managed to capture from a DVB-S2 channel using szap-s2 |
| [15:30:44] | d00gle: | so more than likely a patch issue with Myth |
| [15:30:54] | iamlindoro: | Dead is Dead |
| [15:31:03] | wagnerrp: | unless its zombie dead |
| [15:31:13] | mkrufky: | :-D |
| [15:31:24] | anykey_: | d00gle: yes |
| [15:31:40] | Shadow__X1: | i am hold right now with comcast wish me luck |
| [15:31:42] | Shadow__X1: | :) |
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| [15:32:08] | wagnerrp: | you should record it for posterity |
| [15:32:12] | mkrufky: | grr, MythLogBot, give me a link to the channel logs |
| [15:32:25] | sphery: | d00gle: you mentioned the ticket was closed, but do you realize that there is also discussion on the lists (i.e. 99% of the discussion in the *bug database* /should/ have been on the lists). So, it's worth searching the archives for 5882 (and go to page 4--yes, really, there are 3 pages of results from -commits because of all the non-bug-related discussion that was in the bug database--to find some other stuff... |
| [15:32:39] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [15:33:16] | mkrufky: | thanks, iamlindoro |
| [15:33:17] | Shadow__X1: | heh they even give credit to comcast workers knowing how to install a .deb |
| [15:33:20] | Shadow__X1: | :) |
| [15:33:31] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X1: Have you downloaded the deb yet? |
| [15:33:32] | sphery: | granted, in this case, there's not a lot of out-of-bug-database discussion because the couple of people (at least one of which is trying to use it to steal TV) doing the discussion did it in the wrong place. That's also why almost no one else provided any useful info for them... :) |
| [15:33:48] | Shadow__X1: | iamlindoro, actually i have installing it as we speak |
| [15:33:49] | mkrufky: | ok then — not my fault, because i stay FAR away from anything dvb-sd |
| [15:33:51] | mkrufky: | dvb-s |
| [15:33:52] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: he doesnt have to have that ready until the tech actually comes |
| [15:34:09] | Shadow__X1: | wagnerrp, for good measure i did already |
| [15:34:26] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X1: got a download link for it? |
| [15:34:54] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Cool, free pay per view... Does it also get you free VOD and the VOD listings and the ability to get some info which allows parsing the steps required to have Myth automatically send the appropriate commands to order the video? |
| [15:35:09] | Shadow__X1: | http://mythbuntu.org/downloads/too-bad-wishcomcastwouldhelp.deb |
| [15:35:20] | sphery: | This could actually put the cable company STB business on ice... |
| [15:35:28] | wagnerrp: | oh! theyve changed it! |
| [15:35:38] | wagnerrp: | last night, the download link just linked back to the top of the article |
| [15:35:47] | Shadow__X1: | no i changed it |
| [15:35:49] | d00gle: | sphery: thanks, I did read the mailing lists about ticket 5882 and the last message was regarding the S2API commit to trunk happening in next few days |
| [15:35:52] | Shadow__X1: | it does link to the top |
| [15:35:57] | sphery: | well, can compete, assuming you're using a build that includes all the new features of trunk, but is /also/ stable (i.e. -fixes++) |
| [15:35:58] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: click on it... |
| [15:36:06] | d00gle: | That was Feb 20th so i presumed it had happened already |
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| [15:36:34] | d00gle: | I'm wondering if something has changed in trunk since then which not be helping matters |
| [15:36:42] | sphery: | Janne has been very busy, lately, so it's possible it didn't make it in. |
| [15:36:44] | d00gle: | perhaps worth downloading trunk from around that time |
| [15:36:54] | Shadow__X1: | hmm i just feel like oepening it up so more people could easily keep their videos would make them more money |
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| [15:38:02] | gbee: | no s2api commits have been made yet |
| [15:38:04] | sphery: | d00gle: do you /need/ DVB-S2 or would a DVB-S card work for you? If so, the $50-$100 (or whatever) may actually be the cheapest way to get things working--and would allow you to use -fixes, so you don't have to read all the messages on -dev and -commits and will generally have a stable Myth box... |
| [15:38:11] | Shadow__X1: | can you record encrypted channels using a cable card tuner on the windows side |
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| [15:38:39] | sphery: | Shadow__X1: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/377360#377360 |
| [15:39:03] | gbee: | sphery: a number of S2 cards will also function just fine as DVB-S tuners without the S2 patches |
| [15:39:08] | gbee: | apparently |
| [15:39:12] | d00gle: | I've already got 2xDVB-S cards that work fine with MythTV |
| [15:39:14] | sphery: | cool... |
| [15:39:33] | d00gle: | I got the DVB-S2 card to pull in some HD channels |
| [15:39:40] | sphery: | IMHO, why live on the bleeding edge when you can get old tech to work just fine :) |
| [15:39:53] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Because it's got MOARFEATURZ |
| [15:40:00] | d00gle: | because I couldn't get the HD channels over DVB-s :) |
| [15:40:00] | gbee: | d00gle: which country? |
| [15:40:05] | sphery: | Sure, if you plan to write patches/help with development, the bleeding edge is good. If not, wait until it matures. :) |
| [15:40:05] | gbee: | out of interest |
| [15:40:07] | d00gle: | UK |
| [15:40:17] | gbee: | d00gle: oh softcam |
| [15:40:33] | ** stuarta punches gbee for mentioning it ** | |
| [15:40:35] | Shadow__X1: | sphery, i know that i meant this http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonderdigital/index.html on windows |
| [15:40:37] | gbee: | given there are no FTA HD channels on DVB-S2 |
| [15:40:46] | gbee: | in the UK |
| [15:40:56] | gbee: | only DVB-S2 |
| [15:41:01] | sphery: | speaking of stealing TV... |
| [15:41:24] | ** anykey_ thought stealing TV in UK was not possible ** | |
| [15:41:33] | d00gle: | i'm using a softcam connected to card reader with my freesat viewing card |
| [15:41:37] | iamlindoro: | oh come now, you can steal anywhere! |
| [15:41:45] | gbee: | please remain seated, police officer will be with you shortly |
| [15:41:55] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, the concept of a "Freesat viewing card" sounds funny |
| [15:42:01] | stuarta: | all further help is declined |
| [15:42:04] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: freesat from sky |
| [15:42:05] | d00gle: | but i'm ignoring the softcam for the time being |
| [15:42:18] | stuarta: | stop mentioning it |
| [15:42:22] | d00gle: | and just pointing directly at the DVB-S2 card |
| [15:42:27] | stuarta: | before i starting banning ppl |
| [15:42:34] | iamlindoro: | BANHAMMA! |
| [15:43:14] | sphery: | Heh, the screenshots on the CableCARD page really add that final touch... Nicely done, MythBuntu. |
| [15:43:15] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: technically Sky have their own 'free' service also called Freesat (confusingly), but it's not FTA and requires using their STBs and a subscription card |
| [15:43:28] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Ah, that is confusing |
| [15:43:54] | stuarta: | basically, some channels which were free on dvb-t were encrypted on $ky |
| [15:44:08] | iamlindoro: | That sounds really irritating |
| [15:44:10] | foxbuntu: | sphery, we decline any knowledge of shenanigans |
| [15:44:33] | d00gle: | Freesat isn't anything to do with Sky gbee |
| [15:44:37] | d00gle: | it's BBC / ITV |
| [15:44:44] | stuarta: | so as an interim measure you could get a subscription card to get the FTV (free to view, but encrypted) for a once off fee |
| [15:44:51] | anykey_: | d00gle: but you don't need a viewing card for freesat? |
| [15:44:57] | stuarta: | d00gle: it's carried on their satellites |
| [15:45:13] | stuarta: | you need a viewing card for FTV and pay |
| [15:45:24] | gbee: | it's entirely seperate from Freesat – different EPG etc, but content is largely the same and of course it's the same signal, I wasn't aware it offered any HD over and above what you get from the proper Freesat |
| [15:45:37] | d00gle: | no, you don't need a card at all for FreeSat |
| [15:45:49] | sphery: | foxbuntu: Yeah, it looks on the up-and-up to me... I'm just wondering whether Brighthouse Networks (my local provider) will be covered under the Time Warner umbrella (as TWC had to spin off a portion of its cable service so the AOL/TW merger could proceed, it /used/ to be TWC)... |
| [15:46:04] | stuarta: | their isn't anything on either FTA or FTV that's broadcast via dvb-s2 at this point in time |
| [15:46:06] | anykey_: | gbee: Freesat from Sky opens a Channel 4 HD stream not located on Astra 2D (the UK spotbeam) afaik |
| [15:46:12] | stuarta: | the only stuff on -s2 is $$$$ stuff |
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| [15:46:23] | d00gle: | stuarta: Channel 4 is |
| [15:46:26] | gbee: | d00gle: you're confused – there are two freesats – Freesat and "Freesat from sky" – only the latter one requires a card |
| [15:46:34] | foxbuntu: | sphery, in time it will be accepted everywhere ;0 |
| [15:46:39] | foxbuntu: | er |
| [15:46:41] | foxbuntu: | ;) |
| [15:46:44] | sphery: | wow... |
| [15:46:56] | sphery: | Now to figure out how I can make use of it with my OTA HDTV... |
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| [15:47:05] | mkrufky: | how do i initiatiate a transcode job and specify which machine it should run on? |
| [15:47:14] | sphery: | Maybe I could rig up a computer to do encryption of the signals, so I could use the CableCARD to decrypt it... |
| [15:47:46] | mkrufky: | for instance, recording over 1394 happened on "assassin", but "codes" is the master backend..... i selected it for automatic transcode, but codes reports a failure because it cant transcode over the network |
| [15:48:04] | mkrufky: | so, i scp'd the recording from assassin over to codes, and now its mad for other reasons..... |
| [15:48:22] | d00gle: | gbee: i'm aware of the difference. Freesat doesn't carry the Channel 4 HD, Freesat from Sky does and like you say you need a FTV sub card |
| [15:48:36] | mkrufky: | id like to transcode away the commercials from this show i recorded for my neighbor, so that i can give it to him on a cd instead of having to let him watch it at my place |
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| [15:49:56] | ** iamlindoro wonders what all them fancy flags do ** | |
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| [15:50:22] | jams: | voice |
| [15:50:54] | ** stuarta is feeling benevolent to our helpful users ** | |
| [15:51:30] | iamlindoro: | There should be a Malevolence flag |
| [15:51:38] | iamlindoro: | Like... the anti-voice |
| [15:51:38] | stuarta: | /ban :) |
| [15:51:44] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [15:51:51] | jams: | iamlindoro- that would be moderated |
| [15:52:17] | gbee: | d00gle: well the explaination was largely for iamlindoro's benefit, but you did sound confused :) "freesat viewing card" "Freesat isn't anything to do with Sky gbee" ... except "Freesat from Sky" is to do with Sky (not BBC/ITV) and it's the one which requires the card |
| [15:52:17] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like too much work... much more fun to mark someone with the moron flag |
| [15:52:18] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [15:52:19] | stuarta: | yup, if the channel is moderated then only +v can talk |
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| [15:52:47] | stuarta: | gbee: free channels carried on sky which are encrypted AKA FTV |
| [15:53:50] | d00gle: | gbee: that was partly down to lazyness on my part not typing Freesat from Sky viewing card ;) I blame Sky anyway for using the name Freesat for something which isn't free |
| [15:54:07] | stuarta: | blame the government |
| [15:54:40] | stuarta: | a sky box + freesat card is and accepted way to get freesat in areas not covered by the freeview broadcasts |
| [15:54:52] | stuarta: | ie. the arse end of nowhere |
| [15:54:56] | gbee: | stuarta: FTV is a mucky area :) |
| [15:55:23] | stuarta: | yeah, most if not all also have a FTA channel as well |
| [15:55:49] | d00gle: | so all I wanted to do is get Channel 4 HD working on myth :) |
| [15:56:00] | gbee: | it's not really free and it's just a way for Sky to get their hooks into people |
| [15:56:18] | stuarta: | big can o worms |
| [15:56:32] | gbee: | d00gle: give a few months, it will go FTA along with Five HD etvc |
| [15:56:34] | gbee: | etc |
| [15:56:54] | stuarta: | meh, i haven't even sorted out itv hd... |
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| [15:58:43] | d00gle: | gbee: lets hope ;) |
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| [15:58:49] | gbee: | not worth it really, I think I've only recorded one thing from it ... ever |
| [15:59:17] | gbee: | and that was a film, because I was curious ... quality wasn't anything to get excited about |
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| [16:02:55] | gbee: | I really expect to see ITV and Five merge before the end of the year, both are in serious trouble |
| [16:03:11] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v sphery | |
| [16:03:23] | stuarta: | thought itv & 4 was on the cards |
| [16:03:45] | stuarta: | or more likely |
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| [16:05:48] | gbee: | all three possible combinations are actually mooted – Five+ITV, Five+Channel 4, ITV+Channel 4 |
| [16:06:34] | gbee: | "Those comments come as the majority owners of Channel Five, former SonyBMG co-owners Bertelsmann, also call for a merger between their terrestrial UK station and its commercial rivals, ITV or C4 or even both. They say that, given the advertising recession and increased competition in the TV and wider content market, it is now unsustainable to keep Five going as a stand alone concern." |
| [16:06:47] | gbee: | "They want the government to change media ownership rules so to allow a merger between Five and one of its rivals – or maybe even the ITV-C4-Five powerhouse proposed in passing by ITV chief Michael Grade." |
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| [16:07:05] | stuarta: | be intruiging to see if it comes off |
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| [16:10:41] | gbee: | personally I think Five + ITV is likely, their style, content and ethos is closely aligned (speaking as a total outsider to the industry and without any real information to back up that hypothesis) |
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| [16:11:36] | stuarta: | i happen to agree |
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| [16:12:27] | d00gle: | It's all a mess :) |
| [16:13:25] | d00gle: | how do i tell svn to download a specific revision, i tried using -r2002 but only ended up with a few files :s |
| [16:13:50] | stuarta: | i'm not surprise, we are up to over 20000 |
| [16:14:08] | d00gle: | lol, god i feel stupid now |
| [16:14:23] | stuarta: | !trout d00gle |
| [16:14:23] | ** MythLogBot slaps d00gle with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
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| [16:38:32] | Anusien: | Anyone here experienced with setting up Firewire? I'm not sure how to test/debug my connection before I add the card to mythbackend. Here's my plugreport and firewire_tester results: http://rafb.net/p/d7gqr380.html |
| [16:40:09] | iamlindoro: | If you can't get firewire_tester to succeed every time, then you won't get video (Haven't we had this same discussion?) |
| [16:40:40] | Anusien: | I'm not sure. What sort of things do I need to check to see why firewire_tester won't work? |
| [16:40:58] | Anusien: | It's possible. The last time I came in here for help, firewire wasn't enabled on my box. |
| [16:41:13] | iamlindoro: | Firewire can be enabled but still encrypted across the board |
| [16:41:22] | Anusien: | Is that what would cause it to fail like that? |
| [16:41:40] | iamlindoro: | that is one thing that could |
| [16:41:45] | iamlindoro: | Have you tried broadcast mode? |
| [16:41:57] | iamlindoro: | firewire_tester -B -n 1 -r 5? |
| [16:42:06] | Anusien: | yes, but I'll try it again. Wanted to double-check things like plugreport settings and switches to firewire_tester |
| [16:42:30] | iamlindoro: | Don't worry about plugreport settings, they don't actually affect anything as the wiki page would have you believe |
| [16:42:38] | iamlindoro: | the firewire_tester switches are fine |
| [16:42:49] | iamlindoro: | Change your box to a network TV channel for testing |
| [16:42:54] | Anusien: | Failed. By the way, when I run test-mpeg2, should I have to change/do anything or should I just get video coming right out the other side? |
| [16:43:29] | iamlindoro: | Assuming the connection is stable and enabled, you should get video |
| [16:43:33] | iamlindoro: | but yours is not |
| [16:43:34] | Anusien: | When I was running test-mpeg2 I was getting no output |
| [16:43:51] | iamlindoro: | Are you on a channel like NBC/CBS/ABC? |
| [16:44:04] | iamlindoro: | those are the least likely to be encrypted, so the highest liklihood of passing the test |
| [16:44:18] | Anusien: | atm no. I will switch in a bit (I actually stepped out away from the physical machine) |
| [16:45:04] | iamlindoro: | If you still get nothing from firewire_tester on those channels, it's a virtual guarantee that they've 5C'd all the channels |
| [16:45:19] | Anusien: | is that the kind of thing I could call and ask? |
| [16:45:39] | iamlindoro: | not likely anyone outside of their headend engineering department will have a clue what you're talking about |
| [16:45:44] | Anusien: | I mean, would that be the kind of information they'd have access to/be willing to admit |
| [16:45:55] | iamlindoro: | They can admit it all they like, there's nothing illegal about it |
| [16:46:09] | iamlindoro: | The fact that you get a plugreport result means that the port is "functional" |
| [16:46:13] | Anusien: | well they do lots of stuff they don't admit |
| [16:46:14] | iamlindoro: | which is all the regulation stipulates |
| [16:46:35] | iamlindoro: | They don't have to give you one byte of data over the port to be in compliance :) |
| [16:46:35] | Anusien: | so if I change to network TV and get nothing, it looks like I have to switch to a tuner card and an IRC blaster |
| [16:46:38] | Anusien: | IR* |
| [16:46:48] | iamlindoro: | Most likely |
| [16:46:57] | iamlindoro: | though you can likely use the firewire port for channel changes, at least |
| [16:47:05] | iamlindoro: | so that's something |
| [16:47:21] | Anusien: | might be! I'm looking at the channel change scripts, and it's unclear whether there's one for my box |
| [16:47:28] | iamlindoro: | What's your box? |
| [16:47:56] | Anusien: | Scientific Atlanta 4250HDC or something similar. There's a script for a different SA box, but the README states that it's unknown whether it works for that box |
| [16:48:25] | iamlindoro: | It should work with the 4250, IIRC |
| [16:48:33] | mkrufky: | my co-workler has a 4250, and the 3250 stuff works on it |
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| [16:48:43] | mkrufky: | i have a 4250, and the 3250 stuff TOTALLY doesnt work on it |
| [16:48:48] | mkrufky: | its a firmware dependency, i believe |
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| [16:48:55] | Anusien: | interesting |
| [16:48:59] | mkrufky: | i have time warner , he has cablevision |
| [16:49:03] | iamlindoro: | so there you go, "depends." :) |
| [16:49:07] | Anusien: | :( |
| [16:49:09] | Anusien: | I also have TWC |
| [16:49:17] | mkrufky: | video capture should work |
| [16:49:23] | mkrufky: | automatic channel change should NOT work |
| [16:49:27] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: That's 100% headend dependent |
| [16:49:29] | mkrufky: | (if you have TWC in NYC) |
| [16:49:39] | ** mkrufky reserves the right to be wrong ** | |
| [16:49:59] | Anusien: | I have TWC in AUS |
| [16:50:17] | Anusien: | well, I already own a tv tuner card at least |
| [16:50:45] | mkrufky: | oh, TWC in NYC is totally different from TWC in AUS .... i would find out for yourself — dont depend on my info |
| [16:51:01] | Anusien: | TWC in AUS is one of the most evil branchse, I think |
| [16:51:08] | Anusien: | I've been hit by every single TWC negotiation |
| [16:51:17] | mkrufky: | hit them back |
| [16:51:27] | Anusien: | tried |
| [16:53:58] | mkrufky: | M. Night Shymalan to direct LOST finale – do we believe this or is it an april fools? |
| [16:54:18] | mkrufky: | ...and he is also coming out with "The Last Airbender" — whoah, awesome |
| [16:54:44] | Anusien: | The Last Airbender is legit |
| [16:54:45] | mkrufky: | AVATAR is the best show on NickJr, ever! |
| [16:54:46] | meshe: | i'm just ignoring the news today |
| [16:54:55] | Anusien: | I saw that some time ago |
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| [16:55:15] | mkrufky: | i got a big kick out of this one: http://mail.google.com/mail/help/autopilot/index.html |
| [16:55:49] | Anusien: | Did you check out her myspace page? |
| [16:57:08] | Anusien: | mkrufky: For the sa3250 script, did you have to do anything other than include libs and compile ti? |
| [16:57:17] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: Well, some people *do* see dead people on that show |
| [16:57:34] | meshe: | yeah, i always read the google news on april fools, they do some funny stuff |
| [16:57:41] | Anusien: | (the sa3250ch.c that is) |
| [16:57:42] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: But yeah, it's a 4/1 joke :) |
| [16:57:48] | mkrufky: | true, iamlindoro |
| [16:57:55] | mkrufky: | Anusien: it JustWorks(tm) |
| [16:58:20] | Anusien: | http://rafb.net/p/IDM1Yj81.html <-- Interesting |
| [16:59:03] | mkrufky: | Anusien: did you read the mythtv wiki page about firewire? |
| [16:59:17] | Anusien: | Yes |
| [16:59:27] | Anusien: | What am I missing? |
| [16:59:44] | mkrufky: | you should make sure plugreport etc works. ... if it does, and all u get is this not found message, then maybe you need to add the device ids to the sa3250ch program |
| [17:00:04] | Anusien: | aha. I'll have to investigate adding device IDs |
| [17:00:11] | meshe: | what setting did I miss that's causing mythbackend to not automatically run mythfilldatabase, i seem to have missed it on both my .21-fixes and trunk installs |
| [17:00:32] | mkrufky: | ...and if thats the case ..... if you need to add those device ids, and ti works for you, then you should send in a patch to the mythtv folks, so that the next guy doesnt have to deal with this problem |
| [17:00:59] | mkrufky: | oh.... also...... for some reason, channel change didnt work for me unless i use the -s option |
| [17:01:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | meshe: In my case (on 0.21-fixes) it was that I didn't fully-qualify the path to mythfilldatabase in mythtv-setup. |
| [17:01:14] | mkrufky: | but again, i was using an actual sa3250HD box |
| [17:01:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | meshe: (or it was wrong... ;-) ) |
| [17:01:48] | iamlindoro: | meshe: And you've enabled the setting in the frontend? |
| [17:01:58] | Anusien: | mkrufky: I may have to go home and double check the ID because mine should be in the list. But I'll have to do some more of this when I'm physically colocated with the box |
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| [17:02:08] | meshe: | iamlindoro: probably not |
| [17:02:15] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Utilities/Setup->Setup->General, probably 7 or so pages in |
| [17:02:26] | meshe: | cool, thanks |
| [17:02:27] | iamlindoro: | It's a tickbox to allow the backend to run mfdb |
| [17:02:29] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [17:02:44] | meshe: | i ended up crontabbing it in my .21-fixes |
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| [17:03:03] | iamlindoro: | This way is nicer to the grabber source :) |
| [17:03:11] | iamlindoro: | (as it allows the grabber to suggest the next runtime) |
| [17:03:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... I came in to work today to have my boss tell me that the building our hosted datacenter was in was evacuated because of a fire this morning. I thought it was a 4/1 joke until he told me to go to the local newspaper site to check it out... yikes... Minor fire, but a scare nonetheless... |
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| [17:03:29] | Anusien: | Yikes |
| [17:03:29] | meshe: | ahhh, i will fix that when i get home |
| [17:04:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | meshe: And if it's already checked off — verify the path is correct... ;-) |
| [17:05:24] | meshe: | i'm pretty sure that it's not qualified |
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| [17:05:31] | ** J-e-f-f-A did the same thing when it didn't work for him... until a light-bulb went off in his head and he noticed the path to mythfilldatabase was wrong... ** | |
| [17:06:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | meshe: IIRC, I had to put in the full path, not just "mythfilldatabase" to get it to work. |
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| [17:08:16] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: you don't want to do the full path, anymore... In some cases with old Myth, it was necessary (if mythfilldatabase wasn't in the PATH), but now it looks for it in the appropriate location based on the install path if you just put "mythfilldatabase" as the name. |
| [17:08:53] | meshe: | i most likely just don't have that option set |
| [17:09:19] | sphery: | yeah, have to specify a name /and/ tick the checkbox to allow it to run |
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| [17:09:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Humm... I know it was in the path, as it worked from a command line without fully-qualifying it – wonder if it was back in the 0.20 days — I am getting old... :-( |
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| [17:13:36] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: Are you sure you tested from the shell with the same user that ran mythbackend? Also, if mythbackend was started from init scripts, it may not have been started from a login shell, so it may have had a "restricted" PATH set. Anyway, in current, it shouldn't be necessary. |
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| [17:16:46] | gbee: | mfdb has been failing to run automatically on my production box for the last few weeks, been meaning to try and find out why, unfortunately it's working just fine when run manually so it's a mystery |
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| [17:18:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah, tested from 'mythtv' user – backend was started via an init.d script (/sbin/chkconfig mythbackend on)... ;-) — I just checked, and I still have it configured with the full path (0.21-fixes) – will try removing the path and see what happens over the next couple of days. ;-) |
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| [17:19:06] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: cool... it's not critical that you do so, but I'd definitely be interested in hearing if it doesn't work |
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| [17:25:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I just removed the path. I'll have to remember to check the status tomorrow. ;-) |
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| [17:26:31] | C_N: | I'm looking at closed captions and why they don't work for me in 0.21. I played around with the code a bit and confirmed that AvFormatDecoder::ProcessVBIDataPacket() is being called on older recordings, but not on recordings produced since I upgraded to the latest ivtv drivers. Concentrating for now on the older recordings. In avformatdecoder.cpp:2489, we execute these lines for values of |
| [17:26:31] | C_N: | i == 15 and 33. |
| [17:26:32] | C_N: | If i == 15, the field is 0, ccmode[field] is 0, but the data in b1 and b2 in cc608decoder.cpp:146 is always zero. If i == 33, the field is 1, ccmode[field] is -1, and the data in b1 and b2 is the text I want to see. So it looks like the ccmode[] array has the opposite opinion of the field number to render that the data in the old recordings has. |
| [17:26:34] | C_N: | When I use gdb to reset the ccmode[] array to match what appears to be the data format, I don't get any captions, the player still reports "No captions", but that could be because it formed that opinion when the playback began, so changing ccmode after the fact doesn't help. |
| [17:26:38] | C_N: | Does anybody have any opinions to offer? |
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| [17:28:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Humm... "Suggested next mythfilldatabase run: 2009-04–01 14:57." – so perhaps I'll know in ~90 minutes... (13:28 now) |
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| [17:36:47] | C_N: | Swapping the fields by editing avformatdecoder.cpp:2490 doesn't fix it. The player still believes there are no captions there. I don't know how the player detects the presence of captions, I might have to change code elsewhere also, or change a database value? |
| [17:37:45] | justinh: | does ffmpeg -i $file report the presence of CC in the newer files? |
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| [17:39:27] | justinh: | if not, then the problem is likely with the capture |
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| [17:39:46] | C_N: | justinh: no, but it doesn't report the presence of CC in older files either. mpeg2desc on older files shows packets of type 0x69, which are the CC packets, but not on the newer files. I'm exchanging email on ivtv-devel to figure out why the new files don't work, but the older files were recorded before, they used to display with captions, and now they don't. |
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| [17:40:04] | justinh: | ah |
| [17:40:57] | sphery: | C_N: danielk would probably be the person who knows best what's happening/should be happening in Myth... Though he now hangs out in #mythtv , he's been pretty busy, so I'd suggest an e-mail to the list. |
| [17:41:36] | C_N: | sphery : OK, thanks. |
| [17:41:39] | sphery: | (even -dev list would work--though he usually sees stuff in -users) |
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| [17:47:25] | sphery: | C_N: Oh, and I looked through the archives a bit and it seems it was the PVR-250/350 that had the problems with NTSC captions for a while, but I think Hans has fixed them, now. |
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| [17:49:02] | C_N: | sphery : yeah, I talked with Hans about it yesterday, there was an issue with captions on non-standard resolution captures. Mythtv presently does everything correctly. |
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| [17:53:25] | C_N: | The new recordings are not producing captions, I'll get that straightened out with Hans and the gang there. The old recordings, well, I have a theory now. I used to have an old mythtv and a very old ivtv driver, my ivtv drivers were even older than the versions actually shipped, because I sent my patches to Hans but once it worked for me I didn't change anything. Perhaps there was a later |
| [17:53:25] | C_N: | change to swap the field identifiers. So, my old recordings may have the data in the wrong fields, but my mythtv player had been adjusted to accept them there (I was compiling my own mythtv there also). Now that I'm using a packaged and updated player, the old recordings aren't as expected, so the captions appear to be absent. I'm going to hold off on mythtv until I get new recordings wo |
| [17:53:26] | C_N: | rking. |
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| [17:55:49] | sphery: | probably a good plan... |
| [17:56:52] | sphery: | Once you get that working, you can either hack your local copy of Myth to play the old style, too, or--if possible--just write a program to edit the field identifiers in your old recordings? |
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| [17:58:02] | C_N: | sphery : yeah, that's the plan, in that order. The second shouldn't be hard, but modifying my local mythtv is probably easier. |
| [17:59:47] | sphery: | yeah, only problem with that is it has to continue until your old recordings are all gone... :( But rewriting all the files could be a challenge (depending on just how many old recordings you have). |
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| [18:02:19] | C_N: | sphery : I'm actually not hugely concerned about older recordings, that's a finite-sized problem, I can always re-record things once captions are back. The future is bigger than the past, though, so getting new recordings working is more important. |
| [18:03:00] | sphery: | good way of looking at it |
| [18:03:13] | sphery: | and, reruns will help with that plan :) |
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| [18:04:14] | C_N: | sphery : exactly! |
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| [18:08:49] | trumee: | can somebody help me with the filename format to use with ragetvgrab |
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| [18:09:05] | trumee: | It needs the following format episode.title.format.s01e01.blah.avi |
| [18:09:54] | trumee: | How do i name a file which is from "Friends", "Pilot", season 01, episode 01 and in mpg format |
| [18:10:07] | iamlindoro: | Friends.pilot.s01e01.mpg |
| [18:10:14] | gbee: | "the (Virgin) spokesperson explained, adding that Virgin wants to offer linear channels with true HD programming rather than large amounts of upscaled content." << Heh, big dig at Sky there ;) |
| [18:10:21] | iamlindoro: | or |
| [18:10:26] | iamlindoro: | Friends.s01e01.pilot.mpg |
| [18:10:29] | gbee: | Since a lot of Sky's HD content is just upscaled SD |
| [18:10:31] | iamlindoro: | either should work |
| [18:10:57] | C_N: | iamlindoro : I'd prefer the second because it alphabetizes sanely in a directory listing |
| [18:10:58] | trumee: | iamlindoro:what about spaces in the episode name e.g. "Die For" |
| [18:11:12] | iamlindoro: | trumee: They don't matter |
| [18:11:18] | iamlindoro: | The grabber doesn't use subtitles |
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| [18:11:23] | trumee: | iamlindoro, good |
| [18:11:36] | iamlindoro: | Show title, season, and episode are all that are needed |
| [18:12:01] | iamlindoro: | And as an added bonus, either format will work with the new trunk TV grabber and Season/Episode/Subtitle functionality |
| [18:12:08] | ** iamlindoro blows on his fingertips, shines them on his shirt ** | |
| [18:12:28] | justinh: | I just call all my files $title.S$season.E$episode.1337.r0xx0r5.p1rat3.encoded.by.ju5k1.avi |
| [18:12:43] | iamlindoro: | .[l0l].torrent |
| [18:13:25] | justinh: | no PD-files on my system ;) |
| [18:14:22] | iamlindoro: | PD? |
| [18:14:53] | dmz: | hey y'all, big problem....my myth box just started (after 2+ years of running) losing it's schedule configuration every day. i manually run the updatedatabase but no idea how/why it's losing schedule details every day |
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| [18:15:46] | HEP85: | I have a strange problem with mythtv which only happens one one channel. Whenever I schedule a recording on this channel more than about two hourse before the show starts, it won't get recorded |
| [18:15:56] | HEP85: | If I take a look at the schedule when this happens, the entry is marked red and it says "No matching shows found" |
| [18:16:28] | HEP85: | This happens only on one special channel and it does not happen if – for example – I program the recording just half an hour before the show |
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| [18:17:55] | HEP85: | Any ideas, what might be happening. Database repair didn't help BTW |
| [18:18:27] | trumee: | iamlindoro, i tried ragetvgrab-0.7.pl -hdvF -mythvideo Friends.Pilot.s01e01.Pilot.mkv. Should this create an entry in mythvideo? |
| [18:18:54] | trumee: | iamlindoro, i dont see anything metadata in mythvideo after running this |
| [18:18:56] | iamlindoro: | trumee: Couldn't tell you, I don't use it in that capacity |
| [18:20:14] | iamlindoro: | You could just hold off until .22 is out, then it will be seck-sk |
| [18:20:16] | iamlindoro: | er sck-sy |
| [18:20:19] | iamlindoro: | seck-sy |
| [18:20:23] | iamlindoro: | There, got it |
| [18:21:01] | gbee: | you did? still looks like gibberish to me |
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| [18:21:54] | iamlindoro: | gbee: hmph! |
| [18:22:00] | trumee: | iamlindoro, i am sick off waiting for 0.22. :( |
| [18:22:12] | trumee: | iamlindoro, it is taking so long :( |
| [18:22:19] | gbee: | easy answer to that |
| [18:22:23] | iamlindoro: | Guess you'd better get to work speeding it up then ;) |
| [18:22:33] | trumee: | iamlindoro, ha ha. knew that was coming :) |
| [18:23:06] | iamlindoro: | IF my pathetic ass can get a bunch of code into myth, anyone can |
| [18:23:19] | sphery: | HEP85: you have the unfortunate situation that the EIT data you're using gets updated at the "last minute" and changes the starttime of your shows, so there's no match. |
| [18:23:28] | sphery: | HEP85: You need to use "any time" rules to make it work. |
| [18:24:25] | meshe: | i just had a case like that, i set up a recording for this show this time this channel about a week in advance and the day of the recording they changed it by an hour |
| [18:24:32] | sphery: | HEP85: i.e. "Record this show (on any channel|on this channel) at any time" |
| [18:24:33] | meshe: | i've started using any time any channel |
| [18:24:53] | HEP85: | sphery: Thanks. I really didn't see the time changing |
| [18:25:00] | sphery: | HEP85: problem is if you just want to record single-episode things (like movies), you'll have to go back through and clean up the old rules |
| [18:25:10] | HEP85: | sphery: Well, maybe it was only a minute or so, so I didn't notice |
| [18:25:12] | sphery: | HEP85: likely just changing by a few seconds |
| [18:25:23] | sphery: | yeah, all it takes is 1sec :) |
| [18:25:31] | meshe: | where do you find those rules in the frontend? |
| [18:25:59] | sphery: | meshe: they're in there, but with different wordings... |
| [18:27:23] | HEP85: | sphery: Thank you for explaining the problem. Now the only question left is, will this be fixed maybe some time? |
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| [18:27:45] | meshe: | oh, i have a question for you sphery, you said that you record all the new shows at season premiere, where you do find out when/what shows are starting? |
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| [18:28:38] | sphery: | HEP85: some have discussed adding some leeway to the "timeslot" rules, but they still have to get the idea past the scheduler overlords :) |
| [18:29:33] | sphery: | HEP85: oh, I also just realized you could use a "Record one showing of this title" rule, so you wouldn't have to delete the rule after single-episode shows... Just never use timeslot rules. |
| [18:29:39] | meshe: | Find and record one showing of this title. should work for movies |
| [18:29:47] | meshe: | heh |
| [18:29:56] | HEP85: | sphery: That's good. At least someone is thinking about the problem. |
| [18:30:06] | iamlindoro: | http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/04/01/hulu-beg . . . rowser-apps/ |
| [18:30:11] | sphery: | meshe: In mythfrontend, it's "Record one showing of this title" and "Record at any time on this channel" and "Record at any time on any channel" |
| [18:30:12] | iamlindoro: | Lord, they're really going all out |
| [18:30:19] | iamlindoro: | (of course, it's *already* hacked) |
| [18:30:40] | sphery: | and, yeah, meshe, thanks for keeping me honest (even if it was just after I realized my mistake :) |
| [18:30:43] | HEP85: | sphery: I always used the "Only this showing" rule. (The one you get when you press R one time). I didn't know it was time dependent |
| [18:30:44] | meshe: | yeah, since it's possible to encrypt html... |
| [18:31:00] | sphery: | now, to change meshe's life for the better... off to the archives |
| [18:32:22] | sphery: | meshe: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/150446#150446 (and, for additional discussion, see my and Bruce Markey's posts at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/261165#261165 ). |
| [18:32:33] | sphery: | for finding all the new shows... ^^^ |
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| [18:33:11] | meshe: | oooh, thanks sphery |
| [18:33:24] | sphery: | HEP85: yeah, "Only this showing" is time dependent. However, you can hit R again to go to the next record type and hit it again ... |
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| [18:34:03] | sphery: | HEP85: So you may need to do R, R, R in the guide (or whatever--I haven't looked to see what order they're in, so you'll have to watch for it to tell you which rule you've selected) |
| [18:34:09] | gbee: | "we're wondering what Hulu's going to do when Boxee or another company stops playing around and simply builds a full-on WebKit ... into their app" – When? We're already doing it |
| [18:34:31] | iamlindoro: | But we're not a company, HAHA! |
| [18:34:54] | ** stuarta does the "pay me, pay me" dance ** | |
| [18:35:23] | HEP85: | sphery: I will give it a try. Thanks again! |
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| [18:35:35] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, and it would be awesome if we get the webkit w/ flash plugin working and then have a plugin (or whatever) that hits the hulu site and allows browsing easily with a remote... |
| [18:36:22] | sphery: | If we delay the 0.22 release long enough, we can up the minimum Qt4 version, again, this time to 4.5 so plugins are supported :) |
| [18:36:31] | meshe: | i think it's hilarious that they think they can encrypt the html, it's at worst, obfuscation |
| [18:36:45] | stuarta: | !trout sphery Qt shaped |
| [18:36:45] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a Qt shaped trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [18:36:46] | sphery: | meshe: that's what they're doing, now? |
| [18:37:00] | meshe: | according to the link that iamlindoro posted |
| [18:37:14] | gbee: | sphery: well we can have parts of myth that require 4.5 to work without bumping the min version |
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| [18:38:36] | sphery: | yeah, though really, for hulu in a browser, it's not a lot more than just MythBrowser--possibly with a few enhancements for navigating Hulu easier, and MythBrowser will work even without plugins (though those without couldn't use, i.e., Hulu) |
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| [18:39:01] | gbee: | meshe: it's enough to put off a decent number of kids who simply don't have the patience to dig through the javascript and figure it out, but since it's not really those kids who will do most damage to their model it does seem pretty desperate |
| [18:39:03] | stuarta: | lets not push the boat out too much, Qt 4.4 is enough of a minimum for now |
| [18:39:59] | meshe: | gbee: true, i've had to de-obfuscate javascript here at work when someone was using some to fraud our company, it's not fun, but it's always doable |
| [18:40:02] | meshe: | go firebug |
| [18:40:04] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, the jerk Myth devs don't even WANT to release a new version, it's not going to be out forever, they totally decided from on high that nobody but them could have VDPAU, but we sure showed them, right guys! |
| [18:40:06] | gbee: | you're just saying that because you don't want the pain of getting it to compile on OSX ;) |
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| [18:40:30] | iamlindoro: | I mean my buddy Jean Yves has totally done all this WORK on VDPAU, he's like the expert |
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| [18:41:20] | sphery: | I once saw a TV listings site (overseas--don't remember the country/URI) that used javascript and CSS to obfuscate the data... All of the listings data was done with images, where each image was a part of or a few characters. The image names were dynamic, and they weren't listed in HTML in the right order--they were styled in order. |
| [18:41:50] | meshe: | ouch |
| [18:41:51] | gbee: | meshe: oh yeah, no disputing that it can be done and in the right hands it probably wouldn't even be much of a challenge, but it's still a decent deterent for the casual attempts |
| [18:41:55] | sphery: | It was actually a pretty beautiful approach for making getting the data more difficult than it's worth. |
| [18:42:20] | meshe: | sphery: that sounds like one i wouldn't want to have to tackle |
| [18:42:22] | trumee: | iamlindoro, ragetvgrab is inserting the "s01e01" in the title of Video instead of the episode name |
| [18:42:41] | meshe: | my online banking site thwarted me with Javascript, it wasn't worth the hassle |
| [18:43:02] | iamlindoro: | trumee: It's not my script, ask the author (although you're not using the most recent version so that's likely your issue) |
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| [18:43:16] | iamlindoro: | Though I promise you're going to feel silly for doing this when .22 comes out |
| [18:43:28] | trumee: | iamlindoro, is ragetvgrab-0.7.pl not the latest one? |
| [18:43:32] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [18:43:47] | sphery: | My online banking site thwarts me with their security implementation... They seem to think that "Security by appearance of security" is a good practice--i.e. make the site so difficult for legitimate users that they believe there's no way a cracker could break the security. |
| [18:43:57] | gbee: | having dug through html and javascript in order to download media directly (because a plugin won't work in my linux browser) I know to what lengths some of these sites will go to make it difficult |
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| [18:44:17] | trumee: | iamlindoro, got this from the authors page http://www.jobs-khakis-chicks.com/MythTV/ |
| [18:44:41] | sphery: | I've had to call my bank at least 4 times to have them reset my password because it won't take the answers to the challenge questions. I would have had to do it more times, but now--after getting locked out--I wait until I /have/ to log on before calling them to reset it. |
| [18:44:47] | sphery: | (sometimes >6mos) |
| [18:44:55] | iamlindoro: | trumee: That latest version link doesn't link to the latest version |
| [18:44:56] | iamlindoro: | http://www.jobs-khakis-chicks.com/MythTV/TVRageImport/ |
| [18:44:58] | meshe: | anyway, lunchtime, i think i'll walk down to Wallyworld and see if they have Season 1 of Life |
| [18:45:14] | sphery: | meshe: it's a great show... hope they've got it. |
| [18:45:19] | gbee: | sphery: I find my bank (current account) to just be painful, so much that I now use it as little as possible – my savings is with another bank and so much easier |
| [18:45:42] | meshe: | yeah, i caught a couple eps in season one, but stopped watching it until i could see it from the beginning |
| [18:45:58] | sphery: | yeah, I gave up on using my bank's site because of it. |
| [18:46:43] | trumee: | iamlindoro, ragetvgrab-0.7.3.pl seems to work fine |
| [18:46:53] | meshe: | my bank's site is usable through a browser, i just had problems getting through the javascript to automate some tasks that I wanted |
| [18:49:42] | sphery: | iamlindoro: now we need a "caught-lying-about-the-protocol" blacklist... I.e. when we get a malformed request, store the source and prevent them from ever accessing Myth again. :) |
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| [18:50:54] | iamlindoro: | sphery: hahahaa |
| [18:52:32] | sphery: | Hmmm... So what to do when you download source code and you want to verify the source and the detached signature file you download is corrupt? |
| [18:52:49] | sphery: | (corrupt at the source, that is--not through downloading) |
| [18:53:09] | justinh: | hmmm not a single decent april fool gag today |
| [18:53:51] | meshe: | first think i read after opening my eyes this morning was the cable card one, the subject line got me for a moment |
| [18:54:13] | justinh: | I liked cesman's last year about being headhunted by microsoft |
| [18:54:24] | gbee: | justinh: just the cosmic gag that I had to get up this morning |
| [18:54:27] | sphery: | Not even CADIE? http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/cadie/index.html or autopilot http://mail.google.com/mail/help/autopilot/index.html |
| [18:54:57] | meshe: | CADIE is cute, she's updating her blog still |
| [18:54:57] | gbee: | sphery: notice that cadie replaces the figure on the map when using streetview? |
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| [18:55:28] | sphery: | gbee: heh, I'll have to start up a flash-enabled browser to see that |
| [18:56:05] | sphery: | THere's CADIE's recommended places for humans: http://maps.google.com/maps/mpl?f=q&ie=UT . . . na-us-gns-mp |
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| [18:57:39] | sphery: | heh, Binary perfection... :) |
| [18:57:51] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Note that clicking on the GooglePlex, the description is "now under new, much improved management" |
| [18:58:05] | sphery: | heh, hadn't seen that. |
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| [18:59:56] | gbee: | http://code.google.com/creative/cadie/ |
| [19:00:31] | gbee: | just noticed that, seems appropriate for this channel |
| [19:01:27] | justinh: | good grief. application form for dog training class... which person or character would you want your dog to grow up to be? |
| [19:02:30] | iamlindoro: | Dahmer! |
| [19:02:39] | iamlindoro: | Or your pick of serial killers |
| [19:02:39] | sphery: | Mr Ed |
| [19:04:56] | gbee: | Snoopy, and I want a refund if he doesn't sleep on top of his kennel, have a bird for a best friend and go on frequent adventures |
| [19:05:02] | justinh: | hahaha |
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| [19:34:14] | iamlindoro: | Heh, TWC is rolling out tiered internet in more of Texas.. |
| [19:34:20] | iamlindoro: | the usage tiers? 10, 20, and 40 GB. |
| [19:34:25] | iamlindoro: | :O |
| [19:34:37] | iamlindoro: | I use 20 GB by lunch |
| [19:35:02] | sphery: | well, if Comcast can get away with it... |
| [19:35:25] | iamlindoro: | Comcast is getting away with 250 GB |
| [19:35:30] | iamlindoro: | That's night and day |
| [19:35:35] | sphery: | really, that much difference? |
| [19:35:37] | sphery: | wow |
| [19:35:39] | justinh: | how the hell do people use so much? |
| [19:35:49] | iamlindoro: | justinh: .l0l.torrent? |
| [19:35:58] | justinh: | I might've hit a cap once in a while but.. |
| [19:35:58] | sphery: | Texas, New York, and North Carolina |
| [19:36:11] | justinh: | pee dee teevee |
| [19:36:45] | sphery: | I'm downloading all the source code required to build an entire linux distro this month and that will only be about 2GB of data... |
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| [19:37:11] | sphery: | (I had much of it on my fileserver before that typo... :) |
| [19:37:22] | sphery: | would have only needed the newer packages |
| [19:37:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro: according to businessweek, it's 5, 10, 20, and 40GB |
| [19:37:53] | sphery: | http://www.businessweek.com/technology/conten . . . mp_top+story |
| [19:38:09] | justinh: | reminds me I must take minimyth for a test spin on my FE soon |
| [19:38:20] | justinh: | </empty statement> |
| [19:39:08] | sphery: | poor Beaumont, TX... TWC /and/ AT&T are conducting their trials there. |
| [19:41:02] | sphery: | I have no problems with their charging extra for users who steal music/movies/... with their bandwidth, but I'd hate to be affected by the tiers myself (as I don't download the music/videos). |
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| [19:41:26] | sphery: | Of course, for that to be reasonable, though, the extra money they charge those users should really be going to the artists. |
| [19:41:41] | sphery: | then again, even if paid to RIAA/MPAA, it wouldn't go to the artists, so... |
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| [19:43:48] | sphery: | Heh, accidental keystrokes teach me something, again... Since Firefox removed the Ctrl-U (readline-type) keystroke(s) in the location bar back in 2.0, I've been bringing up the source window when trying to clear the location bar. I now found that Ctrl-Backspace clears it. |
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| [19:49:30] | hybr1der: | is there anyone here who could help me out with my mythtv transcoder i get an error 139 when it tries to transcode, i got logs and other stuff if they can help |
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| [19:52:32] | sphery: | hybr1der: is that with a DVB-T radio recording? |
| [19:54:04] | hybr1der: | yes |
| [19:54:27] | justinh: | try using a user job to export radio recordings |
| [19:54:35] | sphery: | hybr1der: TTBOMK, it doesn't work with files without video: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/338709#338709 |
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| [19:55:09] | sphery: | hybr1der: you'll have to do as justinh recommended and use a user job that uses something other than mythtranscode |
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| [19:55:42] | sphery: | i.e. nuvexport with ffmpeg or mencoder or transcode: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport |
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| [19:59:57] | hybr1der: | i see well i'll give it a shot, thx |
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| [20:05:45] | hybr1der: | hmm i just realized that i have it on normal tv recording from DVB-T :( |
| [20:07:37] | sphery: | TTBOMK, 139 just means that mythtranscode died--i.e. could even be a segfault due to corruption in the recording stream |
| [20:07:57] | hybr1der: | ho, it actually says that in the log |
| [20:08:03] | hybr1der: | Resizing from 720x576 to 640x480 |
| [20:08:03] | hybr1der: | Segmentation fault |
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| [20:08:21] | hybr1der: | why does it try to downsize it? |
| [20:11:29] | iamlindoro: | Presumably because the transcode profile being used is set to 640x480 |
| [20:12:04] | justinh: | some bloke made a dvb-t radio script that works well |
| [20:13:09] | hybr1der: | i just went through the whole trancode profile in frontend and there were no option to change resolution, do i have to edit this through some file? |
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| [20:16:26] | sphery: | note that there are 4 different transcode profiles |
| [20:16:40] | hybr1der: | i tried to make my own |
| [20:17:07] | iamlindoro: | Don't do that, won't work |
| [20:18:40] | hybr1der: | okay so what is the best solution to make sure it doesn't try to resize? |
| [20:19:52] | iamlindoro: | edit the existing profiles, use the same output resolution as whatever you intend to input |
| [20:20:02] | sphery: | you'll have to use one of the standard profiles and either enable lossless transcoding or set the resolution to the same as the source |
| [20:21:21] | hybr1der: | okay so how do i do the 2nd option, set the resolution to the same as the source? |
| [20:21:52] | sphery: | if you don't mark lossless transcode, it asks you for the resolution |
| [20:24:58] | iamlindoro: | jams, GreyFoxx: XL1B came in, second one in great shape. :) Gonna have some funnnnn tonight! |
| [20:25:48] | iamlindoro: | Actually looks new or newly-refurbed, much better than the one I sent back |
| [20:29:24] | sid3windr: | phew |
| [20:29:32] | sid3windr: | finally some segfault fixes due to broken protocol |
| [20:29:33] | sid3windr: | :) |
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| [20:30:13] | iamlindoro: | Anyone using mismatched protocols deserves their segfaults |
| [20:30:28] | iamlindoro: | hahah, funny that I should say that at the exact moment paul-h enters ;) |
| [20:30:57] | paul-h: | Should my ears be burning? |
| [20:31:04] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [20:31:09] | iamlindoro: | naw |
| [20:31:30] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: I still disagree, if I hook up my laptop to your network when you invite me over because I'm such a great guy, I can kill all your running recordings in an instant :) |
| [20:32:00] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: See, your story falls apart with a) me being a great guy, b) me inviting you over, and c) me letting you hook up your laptop ;) |
| [20:32:02] | sid3windr: | unless you really iptabled the backend ports shut except for your frontends |
| [20:32:08] | sid3windr: | no no |
| [20:32:10] | sid3windr: | you're not the great guy |
| [20:32:11] | sid3windr: | I am! |
| [20:32:19] | iamlindoro: | Let's not be silly |
| [20:32:26] | sid3windr: | but ok, it was ultra-hypothetical ;) |
| [20:32:34] | thevoke: | :) |
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| [20:33:52] | sid3windr: | I'll see if I can compile a list of things that crash myhbackend via telnet :] |
| [20:34:03] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, I don't disagree with making mythbackend more robust... But important to do it for its own sake, and not to cater to broken frontends |
| [20:34:21] | iamlindoro: | (which is not to say that this was done to encourage broken frontends) |
| [20:34:22] | hybr1der: | is it supposed to ask when i run the transcoder+ |
| [20:35:00] | hybr1der: | i've been running the transcoder through mythweb |
| [20:35:05] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: well, as there's no doc on the protocol, there is no real way to create non-broken frontends except the official one ;/ |
| [20:35:35] | sid3windr: | .. which due to some bug could also crash the backend, indeed |
| [20:35:46] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: Or simply read the protocol changes as they're added (and there *are* several wiki pages devoted to the protocol) |
| [20:35:48] | sid3windr: | istr requesting a feed from a nonexistent tuner killed the backend. |
| [20:36:00] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: yes, and they all tell you squat |
| [20:36:13] | sid3windr: | reading changes as they're added is all fine and dandy if you have something that works already, too |
| [20:36:21] | sid3windr: | but we've had this discussion before ;) |
| [20:36:24] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: If you can't read the 3–4 source files involved in the protocol, then you shouldn't/wouldn't be writing a full frontend |
| [20:36:26] | sid3windr: | about 2 years ago I think |
| [20:36:49] | sid3windr: | typical open source bs #383: "you don't need documentation, you have the source" |
| [20:36:57] | sid3windr: | nofi. |
| [20:37:04] | iamlindoro: | It's true |
| [20:37:08] | sid3windr: | no, it's not :) |
| [20:37:08] | iamlindoro: | You don't NEED documentation |
| [20:37:19] | sid3windr: | ok, then it's true :) |
| [20:37:26] | iamlindoro: | Documentation is nice and helpful, but strictly speaking, the only thing you *need* is the source |
| [20:37:31] | sid3windr: | you drive a hard bargain. |
| [20:37:35] | sphery: | hybr1der: in the frontend, you can go to Watch Recordings and select a recording, then hit INFO (I) to get a menu, which includes Job Options, then select Begin Transcoding |
| [20:37:41] | sphery: | then you can select which profile |
| [20:37:45] | sphery: | (of the 4 built-in profiles) |
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| [20:38:35] | justinh: | sphery: soon to be MENU. MENU I say! |
| [20:38:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | a server should certainly account for clients running amok... |
| [20:38:49] | meshe: | docs get out of date way too fast, last client server system i built the protocol doc worked for the initial launch then was never usable again |
| [20:38:59] | sphery: | justinh: I /can't/ wait... I hate having INFO + MENU menus--never remember which is which. |
| [20:39:22] | justinh: | since I got my new remote it's been bugging me even more |
| [20:39:22] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: account for it, yes, cater to unruly clients, no |
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| [20:39:29] | sid3windr: | there is no way to "cater to" |
| [20:39:30] | iamlindoro: | sphery: That's because they change depending on what screen you're on ;) |
| [20:39:38] | sid3windr: | just don't segv on invalid input is all that's needed :) |
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| [20:39:49] | sid3windr: | perhaps even just disconnect it for protocol violation |
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| [20:40:11] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: Myth *does/always had* done that |
| [20:40:19] | sid3windr: | except not always :) |
| [20:40:21] | iamlindoro: | the problem is when the client has an override to lie to the backend |
| [20:40:27] | sphery: | sid3windr: by "cater to", I mean /allowing/ invalid requests (and attempting to act on what the client actually wanted) |
| [20:40:42] | sid3windr: | sphery: ah yea, that would be silly, you can never know what it wanted if it uses invalid commands :) |
| [20:40:44] | iamlindoro: | Which XBMC/MythTVPlayer/etc. all have options to let the user have his client lie to mythbackend |
| [20:40:54] | sid3windr: | you mean the version number, iamlindoro ? |
| [20:41:04] | sid3windr: | because that's not what I meant :) |
| [20:41:08] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: I mean the protocol version |
| [20:41:10] | sphery: | sid3windr: yeah, though some would say that for old commands, we should accept and interpret them... |
| [20:41:34] | sid3windr: | sphery: well, I'd say, change as least as possible but if it's needed then it means the other can indeed go :) |
| [20:41:36] | iamlindoro: | If myth says "I only talk 44" and a client says "Suuuuuuuure I talk 44!" then it's the client's fault |
| [20:41:40] | sphery: | I completely disaggree with that approach, though |
| [20:41:49] | sphery: | yep, they can follow |
| [20:41:55] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: it is. but then don't punish the backend by shutting it down ;) |
| [20:42:07] | sid3windr: | EVEN if it lied |
| [20:42:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | the backend should certainly not have a glass jaw. |
| [20:42:31] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: Like I said, robustness in the backend is a good thing-- but *not* for purposes of endorsing crap frontends |
| [20:42:36] | sid3windr: | I'll create a test backend and crash it :) |
| [20:43:12] | sid3windr: | I don't know if it still does (not going to test on my "production" backend), but simply changing to a tuner that doesnt exist segfaulted it |
| [20:43:19] | sid3windr: | so that's even unrelated to protocol version number |
| [20:44:05] | sphery: | sure, it shouldn't segfault, but then again, when you have corrupt data (i.e. a capture card and/or input defined but non-existant), ... |
| [20:44:16] | sid3windr: | it wasn't defined |
| [20:44:22] | sid3windr: | just the frontend requested tuner 5 |
| [20:44:32] | sphery: | how can you change to a tuner that's not defined? |
| [20:44:38] | sid3windr: | by having a broken frontend |
| [20:44:48] | sid3windr: | but that's the whole point :p |
| [20:44:50] | sphery: | Oh... got it |
| [20:44:59] | meshe: | why would you have a broken frontend though? |
| [20:45:09] | hybr1der: | it seems to work :O |
| [20:45:11] | sid3windr: | because you are using someone else's software which has bugs |
| [20:45:13] | sphery: | so, it's not really changing to a non-existant tuner, it's being /asked/ to change to it... |
| [20:45:15] | justinh: | because some other apps don't have a clue :P |
| [20:45:15] | sid3windr: | or because you are trying to write one :) |
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| [20:45:29] | sphery: | but that what a dev box is for |
| [20:45:32] | sid3windr: | sphery: yeah, backend gets "gimme tuner 12" from frontend |
| [20:45:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...you finally decided to "contribute" |
| [20:45:37] | justinh: | so no need to sanity check for stuff your own frontend isn't retarded enough to do :) |
| [20:45:38] | sphery: | crash all you like, we'll restart more |
| [20:45:44] | sid3windr: | and backend tries.. and dies |
| [20:45:57] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [20:46:17] | sphery: | I /really/ don't remember getting the bug report/back trace for that one, though... |
| [20:46:24] | sid3windr: | no, I didn't report it |
| [20:46:30] | sid3windr: | only here in the channel |
| [20:46:34] | sphery: | So, how were we supposed to fix it? |
| [20:46:34] | sid3windr: | but got +- the same reaction as I do now |
| [20:46:53] | sphery: | note how the one that got reported yesterday got fixed by a very benevolent dev...\ |
| [20:46:54] | sid3windr: | I put it on my todo list.. but never got to it :) |
| [20:46:58] | sid3windr: | yeah, I saw it :) |
| [20:47:06] | sid3windr: | that's what reminded me of the whole thing ;) |
| [20:47:21] | ** iamlindoro closes #mythtv-users as invalid ** | |
| [20:47:37] | sphery: | yeah, Myth devs actually want to fix all the potential segfaults, but it's hard to do when we don't know how to get them |
| [20:47:38] | ** iamlindoro sets #mythtv-users mlocked 0->1 ** | |
| [20:47:39] | sid3windr: | #mythtv-users is long closed as feature request without patch |
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| [20:48:08] | meshe: | hehe |
| [20:48:13] | sid3windr: | time for mythtv-fuzz! |
| [20:48:20] | meshe: | there's no reason you couldn't write the correct validation sid3windr :) |
| [20:48:44] | sid3windr: | meshe: except me coding C/C++ would just produce more segfaults, memory leaks and double-frees, meshe |
| [20:48:49] | sid3windr: | oh, that's a double hilight :> |
| [20:49:09] | iamlindoro: | cop out |
| [20:49:15] | sid3windr: | (: |
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| [20:49:29] | iamlindoro: | I don't know diddly about code, but god help you all, there's plenty of mine in .22 |
| [20:49:36] | sphery: | even good bug reports with backtraces are /very/ helpful. |
| [20:50:09] | sphery: | (especially if the reporter follows up after the, "The attached patch should fix the issue. Can you test it, OP.") |
| [20:50:16] | sid3windr: | attaching gdb to the backend (nonstripped compiled with --debug) then when it crashes type bt? |
| [20:50:50] | hybr1der: | how can i change mythweb profiles then so it uses the right profile? |
| [20:50:53] | sphery: | pretty much, but: thread apply all bt full |
| [20:51:03] | sphery: | see section 22.2 – http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [20:51:08] | sid3windr: | bah, docs. ;) |
| [20:51:51] | iamlindoro: | oh now it's "bah, docs" |
| [20:51:54] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [20:52:02] | sphery: | this from the guy who just said: < sid3windr> typical open source bs #383: "you don't need documentation, you have the source" |
| [20:52:04] | sid3windr: | you're vengeful iamlindoro :( |
| [20:52:14] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:52:24] | iamlindoro: | I am a vengeful iamlindoro, but I too can love |
| [20:52:29] | sid3windr: | <3 |
| [20:53:03] | sphery: | sid3windr: oh, BTW, I'd highly recommend compiling with compile type profile rather than debug... debug kills performance, but profile gives pretty good performance and works for most crashes |
| [20:53:10] | sid3windr: | ah |
| [20:53:12] | sid3windr: | okay :) |
| [20:53:16] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [20:53:41] | sphery: | and, if *anyone* wants to fill in the sections for ATrpms/Ubuntu/Gentoo debugging, I would be forever grateful |
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| [20:54:04] | sphery: | I'm still wondering how long the page will exist until someone does that... |
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| [20:55:16] | sid3windr: | I could put my instructions for debian but they sound dirty to myself :P |
| [20:55:33] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:55:34] | sid3windr: | apt-get source mythbackend; edit debian/rules and put # in front of dh_strip |
| [20:55:43] | sid3windr: | and change --compile-type to debug |
| [20:55:44] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [20:55:47] | sid3windr: | then dpkg-buildpackage |
| [20:55:51] | meshe: | what editor/ide do you guys use to work with the myth source? |
| [20:56:14] | iamlindoro: | nano! |
| [20:56:28] | meshe: | o.O |
| [20:56:36] | meshe: | i don't buy it |
| [20:56:39] | iamlindoro: | sor real |
| [20:56:41] | iamlindoro: | er for real |
| [20:56:48] | shadn_: | just dropped a 1u server from about 3ft onto carpet... Doh... |
| [20:56:49] | iamlindoro: | And I'm not ashamed of it |
| [20:57:29] | shadn_: | picked it up opened it up reseated everything booting now and I'm crossing my fingers |
| [20:57:34] | meshe: | wow, interesting, i'm not sure i've ever met a coder that uses nano |
| [20:57:47] | shadn_: | I have it's weird |
| [20:57:52] | shadn_: | and he's got a phd |
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| [20:58:28] | iamlindoro: | I'm still not ashamed-- I know all the keyboard shortcuts, it reminds me of classic DOS Edit, and I get my work done in it. Good enough :) |
| [20:58:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro: there, I put the debug link you gave in there with a request for help: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Debuggin . . . ntu_packages |
| [20:58:50] | sphery: | (not that I'm asking you to do it as you're a source-based installer) |
| [20:58:59] | iamlindoro: | that I am |
| [20:59:05] | iamlindoro: | and don't worry, I won't. :) |
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| [20:59:39] | ** iamlindoro pokes at the present mythbuntu devs ** | |
| [20:59:47] | meshe: | i started my coding using UltraEdit in windows until i learned all the commands in vim i needed |
| [20:59:50] | ** sid3windr uses joe ** | |
| [20:59:51] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [21:00:12] | qsi: | Hi all, Is myth capable of handling network streams, pause them, continue and record etc ? |
| [21:00:13] | sphery: | I'd rather get a mythbuntu user to do it so the mythbuntu devs can concentrate on other more important things |
| [21:00:19] | sphery: | --like CableCARD |
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| [21:00:43] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [21:00:48] | meshe: | hehe, i interviewed a developer for a position here and gave him a coding task, he couldn't start until the dev server had joe installed |
| [21:00:50] | iamlindoro: | that's --enable-CableCARD to you, mister |
| [21:00:55] | sphery: | meshe: vim's a great editor to use for it--especially if you go to the trouble of learning to use ctags and marks and all |
| [21:01:13] | sid3windr: | meshe: yeah, I install it everywhere :P |
| [21:01:19] | Dassu: | qsi: not by default. THere was mythstream plugin not sure does it work anymore |
| [21:01:36] | sphery: | I carry vim around with me... Flash drives rule. |
| [21:01:36] | justinh: | I think all my themes sucked because I used PSP & nano :P |
| [21:01:47] | iamlindoro: | qsi: Erm, depends entirely on what you count as a network stream |
| [21:01:49] | meshe: | i even switched gnome's default text editor to gvim |
| [21:02:11] | sphery: | I've always hated gvim... |
| [21:02:18] | justinh: | is this like one of them "hey NO I'm more anal than you" conversations? |
| [21:02:33] | meshe: | nah, i was just curious what others used |
| [21:02:45] | sphery: | There's no reason that you should have to point the mouse to where you want to paste text if you have vim in insert mode and the cursor is where you want the text... |
| [21:02:51] | qsi: | iamlindoro: I'm thinking of getting a dreambox which is a dvb-c tuner and streams the dvb-c channer into a stream like mp4 or something, .. |
| [21:02:54] | iamlindoro: | justinh: The mere existence of those conversations is why I'm not ashamed of using nano. Works for me, no need for wang-measuing. |
| [21:03:15] | meshe: | sphery: yeah, that is a bit of an annoyance |
| [21:03:23] | justinh: | to me it's like saying why drive or fly somewhere if you can walk :P |
| [21:03:31] | sphery: | as a matter of fact, I explicitly disallow vim's linking to X because once you do, it has the same GUI annoyance in vim in xterms. |
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| [21:03:49] | sphery: | not to mention the whole, if you lose X, you can't use vim thing :) |
| [21:03:59] | meshe: | sphery: only if you allow mouse support |
| [21:04:03] | iamlindoro: | qsi: Myth has a special dreambox recorder, so yes. |
| [21:04:19] | justinh: | iamlindoro: dbox != dreambox |
| [21:04:21] | sphery: | even with mouse support disabled, it does stupid mouse things |
| [21:04:27] | iamlindoro: | meh, whatever |
| [21:04:41] | meshe: | sphery: maybe i don't see that becuase i don't use xterm either |
| [21:04:41] | iamlindoro: | justinh: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/8197- . . . quality.html |
| [21:04:57] | justinh: | myth can record RTSP though AFAIK |
| [21:04:57] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Guy claims that's how he did it, soooooooooooo |
| [21:05:08] | sphery: | might actually be some other stupid mouse thing that I've forgotten what it was, though |
| [21:05:12] | justinh: | oh yeah. all hail mythtvtalk users. they know everything |
| [21:05:14] | justinh: | :D |
| [21:05:53] | iamlindoro: | justinh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dreambox |
| [21:05:57] | iamlindoro: | Howzabout that one? |
| [21:05:58] | justinh: | so I've got this 'computer' thing and I want to record teevees. how me plug in? |
| [21:06:16] | iamlindoro: | oh hmm |
| [21:06:21] | iamlindoro: | that's with PVR-500, what a stupid page |
| [21:06:33] | justinh: | "I connected the Inetbox to the Hauppauge PVR500 RGB Input". ORLY |
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| [21:07:25] | sphery: | meshe: OK, I stand corrected... I've been compiling vim with X support, and disabling mouse support at runtime. Without X support, you lose the X paste buffers. |
| [21:08:15] | ** sphery needs his "* and "+\ ** | |
| [21:08:18] | meshe: | yeah, i leave mouse support disabled in vim, haven't played around with disabling it in gvim |
| [21:08:33] | sphery: | (but I can't hit Enter on this keyboard without hitting backslash...) |
| [21:08:36] | qsi: | iamlindoro: hmyeah but that's not the setup i was thinking of, ... |
| [21:08:39] | justinh: | iamlindoro: dreamboxen can allegedly stream mpeg2ts & myth can record mpeg2ts over IP.... so... |
| [21:09:07] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Not sure about the limitations to the freebox stuff, think I recall hearing that it was less than stellar |
| [21:09:30] | justinh: | qsi: I had a dbox2 for a while, and network recording was erm... hmmm.. so I got a pvr150 |
| [21:09:52] | meshe: | is it possbile to ssh export a frontend for playback? or is that too network intensive? |
| [21:09:53] | justinh: | but that was probably more down to the dbox2 having only 10Mbit ethernet |
| [21:10:03] | justinh: | meshe: way too intensive |
| [21:10:07] | RyeBrye: | "Since I use the wget command i places a file each time – so that's why the garbage folder – where I empty the folder once a hour in cron.hourly!" |
| [21:10:09] | ** RyeBrye facepalms ** | |
| [21:10:46] | RyeBrye: | Damn. If only there were a few hundred better ways to do that than to save a file for something you don't care about. |
| [21:11:01] | justinh: | meshe: 24 * 720 * 480 * 30 bits/sec for NTSC uncompressed. Neat |
| [21:11:41] | qsi: | justinh 10mbit is 1.2mb/sec |
| [21:11:44] | qsi: | that's not much |
| [21:12:01] | justinh: | qsi: overheads & inefficiencies... |
| [21:12:04] | ** RyeBrye notices further down where someone put in a note about a better way – but apparently didn't feel justified in correcting the stupid script ** | |
| [21:12:28] | justinh: | qsi: dbox2 was using http streaming. somebody worked on a udp stream recorder but I dunno what happened with it |
| [21:12:56] | qsi: | justinh: so do you know a way how to handle dvb-c then? |
| [21:13:07] | justinh: | not with a dreambox, no |
| [21:13:07] | stuarta: | RyeBrye: there's an option to wget -> --output-document=/dev/null :) |
| [21:13:40] | janneg: | or -O |
| [21:14:12] | iamlindoro: | qsi: Why wouldn't you just use a DVB-C tuner in your Mythbox? |
| [21:14:16] | sphery: | meshe: mere mortals can't do graphically-intensive playback (like video or 3D FPS in 720p) over the network, but OnLive can |
| [21:14:24] | sphery: | (or at least they say they will be able to :) |
| [21:14:26] | qsi: | iamlindoro: which one? |
| [21:14:38] | iamlindoro: | qsi: Any of the dozens and dozens supported in linux |
| [21:15:13] | qsi: | iamlindoro: a dvb-c tuner? dozens? humm |
| [21:15:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so, how do you think OnLive will work for those poor 5GB/mo TWC users? :) |
| [21:15:23] | RyeBrye: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dreambox that script is hilarious – I like how he uses a series of "elif" to compare an input number – which is the only thing that actually changes in the wget parameters... so rather than do it right once, he copies and pastes N times (where N is the number of channels) |
| [21:15:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery: "poorly" ;) |
| [21:15:48] | meshe: | i thought i may be a bit much, hadn't tried it though, i was thinking it might be an option to view a frontend of 0.21-fixes on my desktop that has trunk installed |
| [21:15:59] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-C_Devices |
| [21:16:22] | sphery: | meshe: you can do anything in the frontend except playback as long as you use -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [21:16:28] | justinh: | iamlindoro: ah but dreamboxy can run sassy see enn gee |
| [21:16:37] | sphery: | even the live preview works OK... |
| [21:16:40] | iamlindoro: | Good ol' Sass Kenji |
| [21:16:59] | meshe: | heh, was hoping for playback, but i can understand why |
| [21:17:31] | meshe: | just need to mwrite a script that allows me to map filenames to recording details |
| [21:17:52] | sphery: | meshe: stuarta has a nice page that describes how to install 2 different versions of Myth on a single system... But, if you do the wrong thing with it, you can accidentally upgrade your production system, so be careful if you use it. |
| [21:18:35] | stuarta: | heh :) |
| [21:19:07] | stuarta: | must add a note about MYTHCONFDIR |
| [21:19:07] | meshe: | .21 production box is on a different machine than where trunk is and where i'd like to run a 21-frontend |
| [21:19:16] | gbee: | and blame him when it all goes wrong |
| [21:19:27] | ** stuarta puts on teflon suit ** | |
| [21:19:31] | meshe: | i'm avoiding that now until i know more about myth |
| [21:19:50] | sphery: | meshe: Oh, you could just write some code that serves as a mythdataserver, and then modify the trunk Myth to hit the dataserver instead of the database... Then, submit the patch. Then--for yourself--create the 0.21-fixes to trunk data integration layer... |
| [21:19:54] | meshe: | i've seen MYTHCONFDIR and it's fallback to global directories in some of the perl code |
| [21:20:37] | sphery: | You have no idea how happy you'd make me if you did that... :) |
| [21:20:57] | meshe: | i'm not even sure i entirely understand what sphery just said :) |
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| [21:21:55] | meshe: | oh, you mean write a protocol layer for frontends instead of having them need to talk to the db |
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| [21:23:51] | meshe: | it would be great if the frontends didn't need access to the db, i was actually suprised that that's how it built |
| [21:24:16] | justinh: | la la la la. it would be great if.... |
| [21:25:05] | sphery: | meshe: yep, that's the plan for the future... But we need some person with an inordinate amount of motivation to start the project--i.e. we need a gbee-of-MythUI for the mythdataserver. |
| [21:25:33] | meshe: | has any work been done on it so far? |
| [21:26:04] | iamlindoro: | Well there was just 6 minutes of discussion about it |
| [21:26:08] | iamlindoro: | that's worth something |
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| [21:28:31] | justinh: | database abstraction 101 |
| [21:28:33] | meshe: | well, I want to learn the codebase, maybe a good start would be to audit the sql calls that come out of mythfrontend and throw them in the wiki somwewhere, from there it shouldn't be to hard to design a protocol |
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| [21:31:15] | sphery: | heh, someone just uploaded a patch that fixes an issue I fixed 5 months ago |
| [21:31:46] | sphery: | Oh, and to make it even better, he said that the time zone check should be removed :) |
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| [21:38:58] | sphery: | meshe: really there hasn't been any work done toward it... |
| [21:39:40] | sphery: | meshe: the best start may actually be switching Myth to using MySQL embedded (which GreyFoxx had done some work on at one point, but couldn't finish because the Qt3 MySQL drivers wouldn't support it). |
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| [21:40:32] | sphery: | From there, the MySQL stuff could easily be moved out to a separate component (for the "master" database) and each backend and/or frontend could have a local DB for caching/off-line usage :) |
| [21:40:32] | meshe: | oh, libmysql |
| [21:41:17] | sphery: | From what I understand, the Qt4 driver works fine with embedded MySQL (and has support for everything we'd need to specify our embedded database over the local MySQL server) |
| [21:41:32] | meshe: | i'd prefer to see the frontend abstracted from the db personally but embedded *may* be a good idea for the backend though it may make debugging a pain |
| [21:42:33] | meshe: | i say may because i havne't worked with it, but it sounds like it may be harder to access outside of the app |
| [21:43:00] | sphery: | I still have no clue how http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6406 could possibly fix the "non-responsive" remote issue on new Fedora/Ubuntu... Does Myth actually continually probe the stream during playback to see what type of stream it is? |
| [21:46:22] | sphery: | meshe: Yeah, just thinking that getting the DB into Myth would actually require a separate component (i.e. mythdataserver) to put the embedded database into, so that would be a /great/ start at getting things going... From there, it could be improved as desired (and much more easily than an "all at once" change to a non-database data server). |
| [21:47:20] | sphery: | but, basically, the "offline" usage scenario could either be made such that the frontend talks to the dataserver or could require running a local mythbackend which talks to the dataserver |
| [21:48:11] | sphery: | Oh, and I see the "may make debugging a pain" as "is a great way to prevent users from editing DB data directly and breaking/corrupting their data" |
| [21:48:27] | sphery: | you have no idea how many people do stupid things to their DB data and expect Myth to work even with the corruption |
| [21:48:45] | meshe: | you could also build the initial version of the dataserver to accept sql queries for parts that haven't been ported over to the dataserver and just have it proxy the sql queries and results which would allow for a transition period without an all at once move |
| [21:48:51] | sphery: | Though I'm sure it's not that difficult to directly edit data in an embedded DB. |
| [21:49:35] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:51:09] | meshe: | i've designed and implemented client server protocols before and have extensive experience with mysql, this might be a good task for me to work with |
| [21:51:23] | meshe: | just.... need.... time.... |
| [21:52:40] | meshe: | but i'll start looking into it |
| [21:53:40] | sphery: | cool... definitely talk to GF to see if any of the embedded DB stuff he did before might be useful/applicable |
| [21:54:23] | meshe: | i see it as applicable only in the backend, i don't think the frontend should know about the database |
| [21:54:53] | justinh: | heh. bbc1 7pm on easter sunday.. TBA. Dr Who |
| [21:55:49] | gumpert345: | hi does someone know a sources, that would work with mythnet-tv? |
| [21:55:58] | meshe: | it should be here' s the hostname for the backend, it knows all |
| [21:56:22] | sphery: | yep, ideally, but currently the frontend needs all sorts of DB access |
| [21:56:41] | justinh: | s/should/could |
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| [21:57:10] | meshe: | which is why the first rev of the data server should be able to take a sql query and return results and it would take remote mysql access out of the picture |
| [21:57:41] | sphery: | gumpert345: I'm pretty sure discussion of mythnettv here, is prohibited as we don't talk bittorrent w/ Myth here |
| [21:58:53] | meshe: | the best way to design the dataserver is to understand the sql that the frontend needs and build the protocol off of that but not necessarily port everything right away |
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| [21:59:43] | gumpert345: | didnt know thats what it is good for, I thought you could watch youtube videos or something like that |
| [21:59:52] | justinh: | ugh. Michelle Ryan is in the first Dr Who special. And Lee Evans. cancel the recording |
| [22:00:13] | justinh: | gumpert345: mythtube isn't finished |
| [22:00:17] | sphery: | yeah, and TTBOMK, you can set up the embedded mysql server so the frontend can access it directly across the network, so you wouldn't have to do it all at once |
| [22:00:32] | justinh: | or to put it another way it's been left to rot by its creator |
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| [22:01:41] | sphery: | gumpert345: it seems like mythnettv has some legal uses (the "video blogs" that the homepage talks about), but as it does torrents, we'd prefer no discussion of it here |
| [22:02:03] | gumpert345: | ok |
| [22:02:33] | sphery: | IMHO, the best approach for YouTube, Hulu, etc. with today's Myth (even trunk) is to have a wireless keyboard/mouse and use EXEC in the menus to bring up a "real" browser (like Firefox or whatever) |
| [22:02:53] | sphery: | One day, we may get better support for remote-controlled YouTube/Hulu |
| [22:02:56] | justinh: | mythnews works okay-ish with youtube |
| [22:03:11] | justinh: | all it needs is streaming support rather than having to download the clip |
| [22:03:24] | justinh: | and a bit of UI TLC :) |
| [22:04:15] | sphery: | yeah... |
| [22:04:39] | janneg: | nsplugin support with qt 4.5 doesn't work in mythbrowser? |
| [22:05:13] | sphery: | The UI part I agree with (though I haven't actually used MythNews because I don't have KDE, so I can't use MythBrowser until I get trunk/0.22, when released, on my production systems) |
| [22:05:39] | sphery: | janneg: not sure, iamlindoro was playing with it just before the 4.5 release |
| [22:05:44] | meshe: | exec: launch vpn to us VPS server -> firefox http://hulu.com |
| [22:06:02] | sphery: | janneg: I don't know if he got it working, but he was having some issues with at least one of the release candidates |
| [22:06:11] | iamlindoro: | On final, too |
| [22:06:15] | gumpert345: | is 19951 the last trunk version for amd64? |
| [22:06:23] | iamlindoro: | at least with the flash plugin, anyway |
| [22:06:30] | iamlindoro: | no joy even though it works elsewhere |
| [22:06:46] | sphery: | gumpert345: current trunk is r20297 |
| [22:07:17] | sphery: | current -fixes is also (now called) r20297, though the latest change wasn't to that branch :) |
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| [22:10:03] | janneg: | iamlindoro: what kind of issues? are other plugins working? |
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| [22:10:15] | iamlindoro: | janneg: Didn't even load last time I tried |
| [22:10:19] | justinh: | sphery: I never launch the browser from mythnews. takes too damn long |
| [22:10:41] | iamlindoro: | janneg: There is just debug info output prefixed with nsplugin, but I don't have it here at work |
| [22:10:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro: did you mean that other people have gotten the flash plugin working with the QT webkit stuff? |
| [22:11:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Others have, but not in Myth/Mythbroswer AFAIK |
| [22:11:05] | iamlindoro: | browser |
| [22:11:43] | sphery: | and you were using the proper plugin, right--i.e. if Myth/Qt4 is compiled 64-bit, you'd need the 64-bit flash plugin (even if you have a multilib system and use the 32-bit plugin on 32-bit Firefox) |
| [22:11:56] | iamlindoro: | yes :) |
| [22:12:15] | sphery: | ok--I figured you were, but thought it didn't hurt to check |
| [22:12:51] | janneg: | iamlindoro: it looks like one has to enable plugins expliticly |
| [22:13:40] | janneg: | QWebSettings::setAttribute(PluginsEnabled, true) |
| [22:14:43] | sphery: | janneg: out of curiosity, does it make sense that http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6406 could possibly be the cause of the non-responsive UI during playback? per http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/377093#377093 |
| [22:14:56] | iamlindoro: | janneg: I figured it was something simple :) |
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| [22:17:05] | sphery: | He makes it sound like Myth is constantly probing the stream type during playback, which doesn't make much sense (to me, who doesn't understand any of the playback code) |
| [22:20:01] | janneg: | sphery: the patch is a mess |
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| [22:21:06] | janneg: | but I don't think it would cause trouble for playback once it's working |
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| [22:27:05] | sphery: | janneg: Yeah, he unfortunately did a lot of (incorrect, even) whitespace changes. Anyway, he seems to think the non-responsiveness in -fixes is due to a failure in decoding followed by re-probing. |
| [22:27:14] | gumpert345: | wow I just found out that there will be a Acer Hornet nettop! The first Ion Platform for estimated $140 this is gonna be great! |
| [22:27:39] | sphery: | if it is, it would be nice for someone to fix up the patch so it can go in because a lot of people are starting to have the non-responsiveness issue |
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| [22:42:09] | iamlindoro_: | heh, funny how people manage to revise down the numbers |
| [22:43:28] | sphery: | huh? |
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| [22:48:37] | kormoc: | sphery, gumpert345 rounded $149 down to $140 |
| [22:48:51] | sphery: | ahhhh |
| [22:48:53] | sphery: | got it |
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| [22:49:55] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm. Guess you need power to run a computer. |
| [22:49:57] | gumpert345: | that was a typo |
| [22:50:25] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, Hahaah, ""/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl" failed: does not exist" |
| [22:50:29] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, "That's all I get from the output. What else could be the issue(s) I could look for?" |
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| [22:53:40] | kormoc: | what else infers that he actually rejected the 'does not exist' as the problem |
| [22:53:41] | kormoc: | that's awesome |
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| [22:57:58] | SpaceBass: | hey folks |
| [22:58:27] | SpaceBass: | I was getting some great suggestions about a disapearing library last night and got pulled away unexpectedly |
| [22:58:43] | SpaceBass: | starting 3 days ago (well past DST), when I check mythweb, about 90% of my recorded shows are gone |
| [22:59:11] | SpaceBass: | we were thinking it might be a timezone thing, but both the box and myth are set correctly |
| [22:59:25] | janneg: | iamlindoro: youtube works with this simple patch http://pastebin.ca/1379397 |
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| [23:00:36] | janneg: | not sure if enabling Javascript is necessary. I tested first on my production box which still has qt-4.4 |
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| [23:02:32] | sphery: | kormoc: he originally said, "it keeps telling me the file does not exist" and he said he's rechecked the paths and permissions several times, so I assumed he was getting the error saying that 'tmdb.xml' doesn't exist, so I explained that's a network issue on his side. Just had him do a test and it turns out he really doesn't have the file... |
| [23:02:53] | kormoc: | ha |
| [23:02:55] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/376624#376624 |
| [23:03:00] | sphery: | for history |
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| [23:04:23] | sphery: | I'm now thinking he just forgot to install MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm |
| [23:04:46] | sphery: | (even though the instructions show exactly how to do so) |
| [23:05:27] | SpaceBass: | if I decide that I'm ok with losing past recordings, can I delete the actual files on disk without ramification? |
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| [23:05:47] | sphery: | SpaceBass: it will leave garbage in your DB |
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| [23:05:59] | sphery: | SpaceBass: use MythWeb or mythfrontend to delete recordings |
| [23:06:09] | sphery: | unless you're starting your whole DB over |
| [23:06:15] | SpaceBass: | sphery, I'm thinking the DB is already trashed ... mythweb and frontend do not show the recordings |
| [23:06:22] | SpaceBass: | but they are on disk |
| [23:06:45] | sphery: | that's likely a problem with either your storage groups config |
| [23:06:53] | sphery: | or you have a filter set |
| [23:06:57] | iamlindoro_: | Yay! The Dell Studio Hybrid is the perfect DVD rip box to control the new DVD changing behemoth |
| [23:06:57] | sphery: | or some combination thereof |
| [23:07:30] | SpaceBass: | sphery, that may be... and I'll start reading more about both...but I didn't change anything which makes me wonder how it would have happened |
| [23:07:31] | sphery: | SpaceBass: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F ? |
| [23:08:05] | SpaceBass: | reading... fortunatly I dont have a problem with new recordings |
| [23:08:07] | SpaceBass: | its past stuff |
| [23:08:13] | sphery: | there's a similar filter in MythWeb |
| [23:08:24] | sphery: | doesn't matter how new they are |
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| [23:09:40] | SpaceBass: | I ran out of disk space around the same time – would that have caused it to dump things in the DB but not the actual files? |
| [23:10:22] | sphery: | no, it shouldn't delete from DB unless it deletes from disk |
| [23:11:13] | SpaceBass: | gotcha |
| [23:11:15] | sphery: | I don't know of any way you could make it delete from DB without touching the disk except through a FORCE_DELETE_RECORDING, which is only done as a result of user request (i.e. when the file doesn't exist) |
| [23:11:40] | sphery: | and it would still delete from disk unless the file wasn't there |
| [23:11:47] | SpaceBass: | my issue aside, if disk space got critically low, would it start dumping old shows to make room for new? |
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| [23:12:02] | sphery: | it would expire any recordings marked to allow auto-expire |
| [23:12:16] | SpaceBass: | gotcha |
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| [23:13:13] | sphery: | by default all recordings are set to allow autoexpire unless you change "Auto Expire Default" |
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| [23:13:27] | sphery: | or change the setting on each recording rule |
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| [23:14:05] | SpaceBass: | which i have not – and that would explain losing some files when space got critical ... but not sure why I still have a few that are not in the DB |
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| [23:14:20] | SpaceBass: | nothing I'm losing sleep over, just want to learn – still quite new to myth |
| [23:19:42] | sphery: | SpaceBass: out of curiosity, what do you get from: echo 'SELECT COUNT(*) FROM recorded;' | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg |
| [23:21:10] | SpaceBass: | leme check |
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| [23:22:27] | SpaceBass: | getting access denied for mythtv @ localhost |
| [23:22:36] | SpaceBass: | odd ... have not changed passwords from defaults |
| [23:22:53] | sphery: | is it asking for the password? |
| [23:22:57] | SpaceBass: | no |
| [23:23:12] | sphery: | are you running it on the same machine that has your Myth database on it? |
| [23:23:18] | SpaceBass: | yeah |
| [23:23:35] | sphery: | as the same user that runs mythfrontend and/or mythbackend? |
| [23:24:19] | SpaceBass: | yeah |
| [23:24:33] | SpaceBass: | was doing sudo, just tried as actual myth user, same result |
| [23:24:44] | sphery: | you'd want it without sudo |
| [23:24:59] | sphery: | try mv ~/.my.cnf ~/my.cnf |
| [23:25:11] | sphery: | then run it, then: mv ~/my.cnf ~/.my.cnf |
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| [23:25:36] | sphery: | that way it should ask for password (unless you have an /etc/my.cnf that has password in it) |
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| [23:26:29] | SpaceBass: | got it – there was a pass in /etc/... |
| [23:26:34] | SpaceBass: | COUNT(*) |
| [23:26:34] | SpaceBass: | 6 |
| [23:27:02] | SpaceBass: | same as mythweb |
| [23:27:33] | sphery: | So, you only have 6... The others /are/ gone. |
| [23:28:02] | SpaceBass: | but not on disk, on disk I have 9 (and had many more, but autoexpire explains those) |
| [23:28:15] | sphery: | Do you have MythWeb running in an Internet-accessible web server? |
| [23:28:30] | SpaceBass: | no |
| [23:28:58] | sphery: | hmmm... thought maybe a web crawler (or sociopath) went through and deleted stuff on an improperly-secured MythWeb. |
| [23:29:27] | sphery: | if the files are still there, you can run myth.find_orphans.pl... |
| [23:29:33] | SpaceBass: | ha! I actually had that thought early..."what if someone left mythweb exposed"... but its not |
| [23:30:01] | sphery: | it will tell you which are orphans and you can either delete theme from the DB or import them |
| [23:30:13] | bocaJWho: | Just for fun, I did a google search and was able to find about 10 exposed mythweb servers in an hour |
| [23:30:30] | sphery: | or vice versa |
| [23:30:32] | SpaceBass: | sphery, running it now – great tool, thanks! |
| [23:30:43] | sphery: | basically, I mixed up both cases, but it does both |
| [23:30:55] | sphery: | bocaJWho: yeah, it's sad |
| [23:31:25] | sphery: | kormoc even had to write in support for detecting when a bot is crawling your MythWeb and locking MythWeb out at that point |
| [23:31:41] | bocaJWho: | there are bots that do that?!? |
| [23:31:42] | sphery: | (but, strangely enough, no one has asked how to unlock MythWeb, yet...) |
| [23:31:54] | SpaceBass: | wonder if they were forgotten installs |
| [23:32:15] | sphery: | the bots (webcrawlers from, i.e. Google) just request pages from every link, and since MythWeb has links to delete recordings... |
| [23:32:26] | sphery: | I think some are... |
| [23:32:42] | bocaJWho: | ah yes, I misread that |
| [23:33:02] | sphery: | I may know someone who has schedules some 1-minute manual recordings with titles, "Your MythWeb server is unsecured. Please secure it." |
| [23:33:25] | bocaJWho: | hmm...it might be wise to put a bots.txt file in the generic mythweb pluggin pages |
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| [23:34:42] | sphery: | here's a sad fact: if you start to type "Welcome to Myt", the top suggestion from Google is "Welcome to MythWeb" (and the second is "Welcome to MythBusters") |
| [23:35:45] | sphery: | bocaJWho: it was decided /not/ to include bots.txt because a) many bots ignore it completely, and b) it's better to let the bot crawl the website and then have MythWeb lock itself so the user asks about it so they can learn that they need to secure their MythWeb |
| [23:35:56] | sphery: | or robots.txt or whatever |
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| [23:37:11] | SpaceBass: | or hell, just don't expose it :D |
| [23:37:24] | SpaceBass: | i guess if its exposed, those people are probably unaware |
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| [23:37:42] | zonedout: | hello, i'm thinking about making my own pvr, i run linux and have a comcast dct6412 cable box. I want to be able to record HD programs and have an ir blaster to control the cable box. Does anyone have any suggestions about hardware to accomplish this? |
| [23:37:43] | sphery: | Yeah, they shouldn't be exposing it unsecured, so if they are, they often don't realizeit |
| [23:37:53] | bocaJWho: | sphery – interesting. I would probably vote the other way since (at least according to their ToS) Google does honor them, and that would help cut down on amatures (like me!) getting into and malicious people (not like me) exploiting |
| [23:38:29] | sphery: | zonedout: note that MythTV can /not/ record any encrypted channels. If you have encrypted channels, you'll need a STB that outputs unencrypted content. |
| [23:39:27] | sphery: | zonedout: if your STB has firewire output, you can record HDTV directly. If not, you'll need to use an analog capture card, like the Hauppauge PVR-x50/500 (analog SDTV) or the Hauppauge HD-PVR (analog HDTV), but the HD-PVR isn't supported in 0.21-fixes (current release version) |
| [23:39:38] | iamlindoro_: | Ha HA, found the power supply to my Dell, and accidentally cleaned while doing so |
| [23:39:50] | sphery: | zonedout: actually, make that, "if your STB has /unencrypted/ firewire output, you can record HDTV directly" |
| [23:39:50] | SpaceBass: | wow, you guys weren't joking – google turning up tons of open mythweb boxes ... some with decent bandwidth too :D |
| [23:40:07] | zonedout: | sphery, i see, so i wouldn't even be able to record OTA HD? |
| [23:40:18] | sphery: | zonedout: generally, the /only/ channels you can get unencrypted of of cable in the US are local channels (i.e. the same ones you can get with an antenna) |
| [23:41:38] | sphery: | zonedout: the cable co is required to make local channels available unencrypted. If they have analog channels unencrypted, they are allowed to encrypt the digital ones, though most are not doing so "as a sign of good faith" toward the FCC |
| [23:41:59] | sphery: | zonedout: so, if your local channels are available on the cable line unencrypted, you don't need the STB... |
| [23:42:05] | bocaJWho: | zonedout – You always are able to record OTA – it must be unencrypted. Most cable stations will also carry them (but little else) unencrypted. Also, comcast has recently started carrying their extended basic (2–99) in clearQAM, but only in SD |
| [23:42:23] | sphery: | zonedout: though you may be one of the lucky ones whose cable co actually makes all your subscribed channels available unencrypted |
| [23:42:49] | sphery: | (generally, they only make them all available through an STB's firewire output) |
| [23:43:02] | sphery: | worth playing around with, but don't get your hopes too high |
| [23:43:09] | zonedout: | hmm, i see, well that's disappointing, i guess i have to stick with the comcast dvr, which is I'm sure what they're trying to make you do |
| [23:43:22] | bocaJWho: | Also, many of the cable companies disable the firewire output on STBs |
| [23:44:52] | zonedout: | well, thanks for the info anyway, sounds like what I want to do isn't possible |
| [23:45:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: "Your MythWeb server is unsecured. Please secure it."... i remember doing that a couple times, maybe a year or so ago |
| [23:45:49] | sphery: | bocaJWho: I see you're leaving messages for people... :) |
| [23:46:05] | iamlindoro_: | zonedout, From what you've said, it's perfectly possible |
| [23:46:11] | sphery: | Yeah... Someone else is doing it right now. |
| [23:46:16] | zonedout: | iamlindoro, how so? |
| [23:46:41] | iamlindoro_: | zonedout, There are a number of ways. the first thing you should do is at least *try* firewire... it costs you nothing to try it. |
| [23:46:58] | iamlindoro_: | secondly, you can get a QAM card and plug it straight into the wall-- that should get you perfect digital copies of at least the basic cable channels |
| [23:46:59] | wagnerrp: | zonedout: you can get HD content out of a cable box through firewire, or component (HDPVR) |
| [23:47:01] | sphery: | http://www.mythweb.com/ |
| [23:47:09] | sphery: | Not what you were thinking... |
| [23:47:17] | iamlindoro_: | thirdly, you can do as wagnerrp suggested, the HD-PVR, which records HD from the component outs |
| [23:47:33] | iamlindoro_: | I personally suggest an amalgamation of all three |
| [23:47:37] | wagnerrp: | you said you were on comcast.... supposedly theyve opened up a lot of cable channels to unencrypted QAM, since theyre rolling out the cheap QAM box |
| [23:47:45] | zonedout: | ok, i thought someone said the HD PVR wasn't supported in myth |
| [23:47:48] | sphery: | I wonder if mythweb.com is the one that was on that episode of SG-1 where Daniel was doing research online... |
| [23:48:02] | sphery: | zonedout: not supported in current release |
| [23:48:02] | iamlindoro_: | it's not supported in the current release-- it is in the dev version, and will be in the upcoming release |
| [23:48:07] | sphery: | it will be supported in 0.22 |
| [23:48:09] | wagnerrp: | the cheap box doesnt have the full crypto suite as the normal boxes, so they have to broadcast in the clear |
| [23:48:10] | zonedout: | oh ok |
| [23:48:29] | sphery: | it's not really supported in trunk/dev, but that's just because trunk/dev is /not/ supported |
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| [23:49:01] | zonedout: | so, if firewire does work then i can just connect it directly to my PC and I don't have to buy any hardware? |
| [23:49:11] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [23:49:14] | sphery: | besides, It's possible that MythBuntu's CableCARD support will work for you: http://www.mythbuntu.org/cablecard |
| [23:49:16] | wagnerrp: | so long as you have a linux-compatible firewire input on your PC currently |
| [23:49:24] | sphery: | zonedout: read that MythBuntu thing /very/ carefully |
| [23:49:34] | sphery: | and note that it was announced today |
| [23:49:42] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, Jeez, that's just MEAN |
| [23:49:47] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:49:56] | zonedout: | and if I have to use component, then what card would be good to get? |
| [23:50:02] | sphery: | I warned him to read it /very/ carefully |
| [23:50:15] | wagnerrp: | zonedout: the HDPVR... and its a box, not a card |
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| [23:50:32] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR is the only consumer priced device with HD component capture |
| [23:51:00] | wagnerrp: | retail is $250, but its be available for as little as $150 |
| [23:51:14] | wagnerrp: | the next option is somewhere over a grand |
| [23:51:24] | zonedout: | i think when i was searching i saw $209, where do you find $150? |
| [23:51:26] | sphery: | zonedout: but if all you want is OTA stuff, an antenna (and $0/mo cable bill) rocks! |
| [23:51:35] | wagnerrp: | dell usually has them for under $200 |
| [23:51:45] | zonedout: | sphery: yeah, problem is that i want ESPNHD :\ |
| [23:51:48] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember the circumstances for the $150 one, it was a week ago or so |
| [23:52:09] | zonedout: | i'm just sick of paying for comcast dvr if I can just make my own |
| [23:52:26] | sphery: | heh, that's one of the channels that the MythBuntu CableCARD announcement has in its screenshots: http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/images/Screens . . . .preview.png |
| [23:52:31] | wagnerrp: | dont think that mythtv will be cheaper than comcast's rental |
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| [23:52:41] | wagnerrp: | i mean you get those for <$10/mo dont you? |
| [23:52:51] | zonedout: | yeah, how much does myth cost? |
| [23:52:56] | FrankBattaglia: | myth is about flexibility, not cost |
| [23:53:05] | wagnerrp: | $20/yr, plus hardware costs |
| [23:53:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | that's a 4/1 hoax... btw... the mythbuntu cablecard thing |
| [23:53:22] | FrankBattaglia: | for listing service it's $20/yr, polus the cost of the box itself (a few hundred) |
| [23:53:56] | FrankBattaglia: | of course, i use my main pc as the mythbox, so the incremental cost to me was just the huappage card |
| [23:54:14] | wagnerrp: | a basic myth setup will be a couple hundred, minus what hardware you have laying around that you can cannibalize |
| [23:54:18] | sphery: | zonedout: My MythTV started at $0 for software + $200 for a computer + $250 for capture cards (which were a /lot/ more expensive 5 yrs ago). Since then, it's turned into 3 computers, 6.5TB of HDD, 4 HDTV capture cards. |
| [23:54:25] | zonedout: | that's what I was thinking and the $20/yr is much less than the dvr rental a year |
| [23:54:28] | sphery: | zonedout: but the expensive part of it was all the time I sunk into it. |
| [23:54:33] | wagnerrp: | you start adding more hard drives, another tuner, another frontend |
| [23:54:39] | wagnerrp: | the cost very rapidly baloons |
| [23:55:03] | FrankBattaglia: | my next will be on SSD, and that really bites you in the $$$ |
| [23:55:08] | wagnerrp: | like FrankBattaglia said, mythtv is not about cost, but rather being able to do whatever you want with the content |
| [23:55:10] | sphery: | and if it doesn't, you're not using MythTV right, and you'd probably be better off with the cable-co DVR |
| [23:55:15] | wagnerrp: | why would you buy a SSD for myth? |
| [23:55:16] | sphery: | or, if you like a good UI, TiVo |
| [23:55:16] | zonedout: | but i believe it was said that if the firewire works then there is no hardware cost? Although, maybe that's unlikely |
| [23:55:31] | FrankBattaglia: | because with multiple tuners recording at once while i also watching |
| [23:55:35] | FrankBattaglia: | hard drive thrashes |
| [23:55:36] | FrankBattaglia: | :( |
| [23:55:45] | wagnerrp: | so buy a hard drive for each tuner card |
| [23:55:50] | wagnerrp: | and youll still come out ahead on price |
| [23:56:00] | FrankBattaglia: | meh, I also think SSD is sexy |
| [23:56:02] | FrankBattaglia: | :P |
| [23:56:05] | sphery: | zonedout: you'll still have to pay the rental for a firewire-enabled STB for each channel you want to record concurrently |
| [23:56:10] | sphery: | zonedout: i.e. one STB = 1 channel |
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| [23:56:50] | sphery: | I completely agree with the multiple HDD's approach... Recording to a single filesystem is so 0.20 |
| [23:57:22] | sphery: | (which, coincidentally, a user was just in here last night/today working on his upgrade from 0.20.2 to current 0.21-fixes) |
| [23:57:23] | FrankBattaglia: | doesn't that get noisy? |
| [23:57:32] | wagnerrp: | cheaper SSDs have abysmal write performance anyway |
| [23:57:36] | sphery: | FrankBattaglia: that's why my backends are /not/ in the same room as the TV |
| [23:57:52] | sphery: | FrankBattaglia: actually, my frontend isn't in there, either--drilled and ran cables through the wall |
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| [23:57:56] | wagnerrp: | you wont manage more than a couple of digital tuners unless you buy a higher end SSD |
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| [23:58:22] | sphery: | yeah, I thought SSD's were very slow, with the exception of the cache they use to make them appear fast :) |
| [23:58:30] | sphery: | (i.e. good for lots of small read/writes) |
| [23:58:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: not at all |
| [23:58:35] | FrankBattaglia: | it depends |
| [23:58:52] | FrankBattaglia: | they don't have super-awesome linear read/write |
| [23:58:53] | wagnerrp: | a good (expensive) SSD will rape a rotating hard drive on any test you throw at it |
| [23:59:00] | FrankBattaglia: | but they are great for doing two things at once |
| [23:59:03] | FrankBattaglia: | without grinding |
| [23:59:07] | wagnerrp: | its all a function of the controller you use |
| [23:59:27] | wagnerrp: | cheap controllers will run slowly |
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