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Tuesday, March 31st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

h.264?

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edistar:

afaik that's what the hauppauge cards supply, yes

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wagnerrp:

h.264 decoding can be multithreaded, if the file is sliced

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wagnerrp:

no hauppauge card has ever provided h.264

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edistar:

ok, let me check

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wagnerrp:

there are mpeg encoder cards, there is the h264 encode box

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wagnerrp:

but all the digital tuners just copy the stream that is broadcast

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wagnerrp:

so if the broadcast is mpeg2, they spit out mpeg2

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edistar:

ok

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wagnerrp:

if the broadcast is h264, they spit out h264

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edistar:

it's a nova hds 2

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edistar:

nova-hd-s2

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wagnerrp:

dvb-s2 can broadcast h264

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edistar:

the problem I'm having at the moment: I want to combine satellite and terrestrial in one box

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edistar:

is that possible?

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wagnerrp:

anyway... unless the only purpose of the box is a frontend for playback of mpeg2, or single sliced h264, a multicore chip is preferred

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edistar:

okay, thanks!

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kormoc:

sure, if nothing else, just grab two capture cards

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wagnerrp:

you can give mythtv as many tuner cards as you can fit into a box

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iamlindoro_:

or multiple boxes :)

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wagnerrp:

and if you want more, then you set up a slave backend, and fill that with tuners too

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edistar:

hehe

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edistar:

can you record and watch different channels with one card?

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I would like to get your input. I am nearing completion of a script that is used to get mythvideo meta data all set up, download graphics (movies and TV series). Then it can be used for nightly updates. The script has a lot of smarts in it so themoviedb and thetvdb do not get pounded.

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RDV_Linux:

This script definitely overlaps find_meta but is in tune for the latest mythui features. My question is should I submit this script (after more testing) as a commit ticket or just tell developers where to get it (a git web site)?

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wagnerrp:

yes and no

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edistar:

wagnerrp, depends on the card?

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wagnerrp:

there are multi-tuner cards that actually can tune multiple channels

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wagnerrp:

however single tuner cards can receive multiple streams in a single channel

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux, Yes, I would submit it, probably as a separate ticket

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux, it can go in contrib

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wagnerrp:

dvb-s2 is somewhere in the 25mbps range isnt it?

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iamlindoro_:

54 for a full "channel"

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edistar:

wagnerrp, I found this twin hauppauge card that has combined sat and terr. of which only one can be used simultaneously. If I built in two of those into my mythtv, could I record a sat channel and watch a terr. without mythtv getting confused?

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edistar:

it should be

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wagnerrp:

edistar: when you have a 'hybrid' tuner, that can only tune one input at a time

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wagnerrp:

you put all the inputs of that card into an 'input group'

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RDV_Linux:

Then it will be a separate ticket. Thanks for the input. I will run it for myself for at least 5 days and if it prove stable I will submit it.

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv knows that only one is available at a time

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edistar:

wagnerrp, wonderful

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edistar:

so principally that setup should work?

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edistar:

two hybrid cards..

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wagnerrp:

sounds fine

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edistar:

although the driver situation looked bad some time ago. do you know the hvr-4000?

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux, in other news, I have some substantial improvements to the MythVideo side, coming probably tonight

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux, Namely it should now properly set Title, season, episode, and subtitle from the filename (whereas before it just dumped the whole bit into title)

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GreyFoxx:

it does that during a scan if the values aren't already set ?

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edistar:

wagnerrp, definitely made my day, thanks!

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, yes

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, it already got season and episode right, but up to this point Title ended up something like "Lost s01e01 – Pilot"

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GreyFoxx:

does it (or something) auto download episode data and screenshots or show info ?

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, Now it will do "Lost", set season and episode to the right number values, and "pilot" as subtitle

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iamlindoro_:

hang on 2 mins, trying a fix

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RDV_Linux:

I will look forward to updating to your latest patches. I had your weekend one on the list but the maintenance script was being finished. By the way this script renamed all by TV series graphics to the new naming convention so it works seamlessly with Mythvideo download.

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GreyFoxx:

I usually just name mine title.sNNeNN.avi I'll leave the subtitle info to tvdb :)

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, More or less it does a regexp to look for common season/episode namings... if it finds them, it sets those values... the grabber modifications run the Movie grabber for season = episode = 0, and the Tv grabber for anything else

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, That will work fine

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, if your are named that way, they will "just work"

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GreyFoxx:

does it auto download info during the scan or some background thread?

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, It's no different than it has ever been, you still need to do Manage Video->Download Metadata

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iamlindoro_:

same as with movies

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iamlindoro_:

But it will know which grabber to run based on the import of the file

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GreyFoxx:

all, sounds like time for crontabable script :)

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kormoc:

Or just wait till mythweb's updated

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iamlindoro_:

if there is anything reasonably termed a season and episode value, it will set those values and therefore chooses the right grabber

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GreyFoxx:

I'm too lazy to manually do it for 3000+ shows

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, as RDV_Linux for his scripts

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iamlindoro_:

er ask

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GreyFoxx:

but they are all similarly named so your patternmatch will work for them

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: changes coming ?:)

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kormoc:

That's the goal! :)

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iamlindoro_:

I think it works nice, I'm kinda proud of me :)

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RDV_Linux:

GreyFoxx: The maintenance script I wrote allows you to add through a user config file your own regex strings so that any file naming convention will work, That is if you understand regex.

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iamlindoro_:

(And RDV_Linux )

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RDV_Linux:

:-D

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GreyFoxx:

sweet

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GreyFoxx:

RDV_Linux: Sweet, that wont be aproblem :€)

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RDV_Linux:

Let me use it a few night on my own video collection (~1750 files) and I will release it into the wild.

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iamlindoro_:

Of course the Season/Episode/Subtitle stuff needs to get committed for it to worthwhile, but that should hopefully be soonish

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RDV_Linux:

So far it works well enough that I have so much mythui bling that I will definitely need more memory. What I have been surprised by is how much the Xorg process uses memory and does not immediately release it even after I close the mythfrontend. I have more testing to do before I comment further.

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walstib:

the other night I went into Manage Recordings->Upcoming Recordings, selected something that was currently being recorded, ans click Stop Recording. Now none of my search recordings record, and it will not record items I select in the Program Guide. Any ideas?

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux, The other improvement is that it will now attempt to find fanart, banner, and cover before downloading them

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux, So If you download a who season of plots, it will only need to get the iamges once

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iamlindoro_:

whole

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edistar:

may I ask another question: when I tried mythtv(mythbuntu backend + frontend) in a VM it had great difficulties with playing a dvd. A different dvd was no problem, libcssdvd was installed. Are there other kinds of encryption/obfusciation used by the industry to disrupt dvd watching?

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RDV_Linux:

Great that is similar to the ways my new script reduce impacting the source sites.

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edistar:

great difficulty = one could only guess what was being played

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux, the down side is that if the grabber pulls in a "jpg" full of HTML, that's what you get until you manually delete it

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RDV_Linux:

True, although with the testing I have been doing with my new script that problem did not happen at all over the weekend.

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, what bout running file on it and verifying that it's a image?

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, If there's a Qt equivalent I'm open to it

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iamlindoro_:

but it's got to be done in the downloader code in MythVid

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JohnQ:

I'm beginning to suspect that my qt is out of sync. I am trying to build from svn with knoppmyth 5.5. And it seems to be failing when trying to do things like #include <QVector> etc.. Any clues?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, always jpg?

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, No, png, bmp, gif too

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, That said, there is surely a QImage function for this, so good point

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iamlindoro_:

or even just try some QImage operation on it, and if it fails, consider it invalid

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

cause it looks like KMimeMagic is the kde way, not a QT way

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kormoc:

or just shell('file blah') ;)

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iamlindoro_:

icky!

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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JohnQ:

Using the instructions here: http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=CompileMythTVFromSVN I am getting this when I try to build myth: http://pastebin.com/d2d308432 Any ideas?

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edistar:

if I have a HD tuner and signal, but only a sd-capable frontend, will mythtv scale it down?

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JohnQ:

edistar: yes, but only at playback time.

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JohnQ:

I.e., the stored files will be HD

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edistar:

brilliant, thanks

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stonith:

Are video playbacks considered SD or HD if the frontend connects to the television using D-SUB?

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JohnQ:

Connection is irrelevant. What is the resolution of your X server.. thats the resulolutiont hat myth will scale to.

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iamlindoro_:

Video scaling is irrelevant, resolution of the source material is all that matters

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stonith:

ah i see

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iamlindoro_:

scaling is done in the hardware, it will still take just as much effort to decode if you play something at 640x480 as it will at 1920x1080

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edistar:

but will the work be done by the backend or the frontend?

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iamlindoro_:

frontend

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edistar:

ok

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edistar:

so I need a powerful cpu

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edistar:

would a c2d 2.4ghz be enough?

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wagnerrp:

for?

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stonith:

i was spec'ing a 1.6Ghz atom processor for the frontend :(

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iamlindoro_:

AYTCHDEEE!

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edistar:

a frontend receiving h.264

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edistar:

isn't that the default encoding used for hd?

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wagnerrp:

edistar: i really dont know what bitrate you might pull over dvb-s2, but a 2.4GHz C2D might be good for ~20mbps

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edistar:

hm, that's a bit low

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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edistar:

although, I have no idea

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iamlindoro_:

if you think 20 Mbit is low for broadcast television, I'm moving wherever you live

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edistar:

that's why I'm asking

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edistar:

well, I'm looking for satellite, astra

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iamlindoro_:

That's still a broadcast ;)

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edistar:

yes

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edistar:

and I don't understand anything concerning broadcasting (yet)

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iamlindoro_:

S2 is just going to help them shoehorn more channels in, they're not going to rock the bitrate

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iamlindoro_:

19 is about the max you should expect to see, and that's on the extreme outside

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edistar:

ok

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edistar:

I just want to make sure that I'm ready when HD goes mainstream

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edistar:

and BBC is already switching (UK)

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edistar:

if i record a channel on my frontend, will it save on the frontend's hdd, or can I configure all that?

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JohnQ:

no. the backend will do the record

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iamlindoro_:

As JohnQ says, all recording in Myth is done by backends

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edistar:

ok, thanks

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edistar:

will the backend need to have a similarly powerful setup if it records hd?

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners come pre-encoded

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edistar:

ok

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edistar:

:)

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wagnerrp:

all you need is a backend that can copy files to disk at ~2MB/s per recording

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edistar:

I'm thinking of a raid 5

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wagnerrp:

ideally, you keep the disks separate

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv handles the load levelling

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kormoc:

Was that ever fixed up?

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edistar:

if I have videos that I want to have included into the mythtv video 'collection', can I just copy them over via nfs?

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edistar:

or do I have to add them through some interface?

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wagnerrp:

currently, you have to mount the disk over nfs

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo is for frontends only

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, that's not what he means

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kormoc:

He's asking bout a live folder

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kormoc:

drop a video in it, have it seen by the FE

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edistar:

I wouldn't mind having to restart the mythtv frontend

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edistar:

but I'd dislike having to add them through an 'open file' dialogue within mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you dont have to restart the frontend, just go into the video manager and hit 'scan'

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wagnerrp:

you scan the folder, and all media within gets added to the database and made available in mythvideo

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sphery:

kormoc: I plan to eventually add support to mythfrontend for finding all videos in the recordings dirs and adding them to your DB (and finding all recordings in the DB that don't exist on the filesystem to make it easy to delete)

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edistar:

mythtv is getting better and better!

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kormoc:

snaz

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edistar:

now I just need to find a proper workstation to power the backend

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sphery:

the "eventually" is currently undefined, though...

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sphery:

I'm actually doing a project that will likely break my dev box for a month or so... :)

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pac1:

When i scan for channels on my hauppage hvr-1200, all the ATSC and NTSC channels show up. But only the ATSC channels work. Is there a way to get the NTSC channels to work?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

the 1250 does not support NTSC yet

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edistar:

wagnerrp, so if have a pc with 4 hdds and install mythbuntu (for example), do I need to have 4 mountpoints and mythtv will automatically do a 'raid' to optimise everything?

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pac1:

wagnerrp, what's missing?

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wagnerrp:

edistar: you add them to a 'storage group', and mythtv decides where to record what

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wagnerrp:

pac1: NTSC support

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pac1:

I gathered that.

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JohnQ:

heh

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wagnerrp:

im not sure how you even managed to do an analog channel scan

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pac1:

I''m not either.

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edistar:

wagnerrp, and is there concrete evidence that such a storage group is more efficient than a raid?

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kormoc:

edistar, sure, you don't lose a drive's worth of space

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edistar:

but I might lose data

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wagnerrp:

say you want to record four things at once, each drive gets one recording, and writes a linear file

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Shadow__X:

kormoc, that all depends on what level off raid he might lose 2!

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pac1:

wagnerrp, you a dev?

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wagnerrp:

how youre using raid, each of those four drives are going to have to continually reseek to store multiple files at once

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sphery:

not to mention you don't get the terrible fragmentation you get from writing multiple streams concurrently to the same drive

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wagnerrp:

pac1: no, but i have a 1250 in my backend

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pac1:

1250, same thing?

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pac1:

no ntsc?

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kormoc:

edistar, if you're looking for some redundancy, then yes, the raid is better, but really, do you care?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt know there was a 1200, to be honest

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edistar:

kormoc, I'm planning on moving all my media files on that machine

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kormoc:

edistar, you don't want to store your recordings on the same drives as your media files you care about

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wagnerrp:

anyway, the 1250 has NTSC, but its a framegrabber, and you really dont want to use it anyway

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pac1:

Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23885 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 03)

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edistar:

kormoc, any special reason?

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, the linux drivers do not support the NTSC tuner on the card

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kormoc:

edistar, recording and deleting chew up drives, it's better to keep the static media on drives that don't get abused as much, safer that way

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pac1:

wagnerrp, is there a better card?

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edistar:

kormoc, didn't think of that

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wagnerrp:

pac1: for analog? grab any ivtv card

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edistar:

I might have a raid for the important stuff, and 2 separate ones for recording etc

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pac1:

Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

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wagnerrp:

for digital, the 1250 works just fine

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kormoc:

edistar, I have a raid-5 for my media and a pile of cheap disks for recorded data that I don't care about

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edistar:

:)

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edistar:

I like the idea

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wagnerrp:

pac1: that is not something you would find in a 1250

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ccfreak2k:

Hmm.

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pac1:

150.

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pac1:

now where did I stick that splitter?

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edistar:

just need a machine that can fit everything in and not ruin my bank account

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wagnerrp:

the 150 is an ivtv card

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wagnerrp:

recommended card for analog capture in mythtv

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JohnQ:

what deb package does myth need for libGL these days?

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edistar:

kormoc, so stored videos for mythvideo and recorded data is kept separately?

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ccfreak2k:

JohnQ, mesa?

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kormoc:

edistar, aye

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wagnerrp:

edistar: the only core functionality mythtv has is recording tv

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wagnerrp:

everything else is plugins with their own options and storage locations

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edistar:

woho

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edistar:

definitely a prime project

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edistar:

I need to catch some sleep though – good night and many thanks!

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Shadow__X:

hmm so no ntsc for th 1800 yet :(

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: its been supported in linux for some time hasnt it?

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pac1:

sheesh... is there any card that will do both?

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ccfreak2k:

Does anyone in here use the low-speed data port on a DirecTV box?

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pac1:

I'm running out of outputs on my amplifier...

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, uh dont remember analog working fully

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Shadow__X:

if i can remember correctly in linux it worked but not in myth

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: i thought the problem was that it worked just fine in linux, but since it wasnt an IVTV card, mythtv didnt know how to use it

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Shadow__X:

yeah yeah

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Shadow__X:

hmm can trunk use it

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wagnerrp:

not that ive head of

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Shadow__X:

the 2250 sounds good though

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JohnQ:

strange. I have mesa, but am getting: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL

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wagnerrp:

no support for that one either... yet

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Shadow__X:

according to http://www.steventoth.net/blog/products/hvr-2250/ should be available in a month or two

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wagnerrp:

i know that card only has two tuners, but can you use the tuners and encoders independently?

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wagnerrp:

i.e.: recording two digital streams and two svideo feed simultaneously

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Shadow__X:

no

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Shadow__X:

2 hybrid tuners

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wagnerrp:

the tuner and the encoder are two separate pieces of hardware

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wagnerrp:

and the little white headers on the board give direct access to the encoders

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Shadow__X:

Since the card features two tuners, it is possible to record 2 sources simultaneously. For example you will be able to record (2x NTSC, 1x NTSC and 1x ATSC/QAM, 2x ATSC/QAM).

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Shadow__X:

as per mythtv wiki

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wagnerrp:

my question still stands unanswered

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JohnQ:

that seems silly.

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JohnQ:

A digital tuner and an analog tuner share very little hardware. Why wouldnt they be independent?

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Shadow__X:

ah hmm wagnerrp dont know

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wagnerrp:

JohnQ: a tuner is a tuner, they tune to the same frequency band and width

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wagnerrp:

its just a function of what they do with the stream afterwards

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux, New patch up

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JohnQ:

sure... but thats a rather small piece compared to the compressors needed for the analog side.

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JohnQ:

Seems like a silly design is all..

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wagnerrp:

besides, most digital tuners are actually hybrid tuners, can do one or the other but not both at the same time

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wagnerrp:

and thats my question, the encoders are completely separate from the tuners

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RDV_Linux:

Great. I need to do something else right now but will try it out first thing tomorrow. Sorry.

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wagnerrp:

can you capture from the encoders while the tuners are otherwise in use

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JohnQ:

I would hope.

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, that would be good so you mean like recording 2 analog shows over svideo and recording 2 atsc shows?

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wagnerrp:

exactly my question

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Shadow__X:

right hmm

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux, nah, it's not rush at all

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iamlindoro_:

er no

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Shadow__X:

i am not qualified to answer that question

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Shadow__X:

but all i can say is maybe

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wagnerrp:

of course with those brackets, youll still need 3 expansion slots to use all of that

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wagnerrp:

so the advantage over a dual tuner, and a pair of 150s, is minor

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Shadow__X:

right well how does the 1800 and the 1600s handle that issue

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wagnerrp:

completely differently

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wagnerrp:

the 1800 and 1600 are dual tuners

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wagnerrp:

one analog, one digital

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Shadow__X:

lol right nevermind just remembered that

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Shadow__X:

does av capture work with the 1800 in myth?

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wagnerrp:

i remember there being some reason why you couldnt just use video capture, and an external tuner script, but i dont remember what that would bve

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wagnerrp:

presuming the /dev node gives a raw mpeg feed just like the ivtv cards

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Shadow__X:

yeah you get 2 video inputs on /dev

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Shadow__X:

one raw one mpeg

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Cat5:

I've got a quick question I hope someone can answer...

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Cat5:

wondering how I can clean out the DB of 3 "recorded" shows, which no longer exhist?

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wagnerrp:

theres some orphaned recordings script in contrubs

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wagnerrp:

contribs

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Cat5:

wagnerrp: I'm on ubuntu.. don't think I have the contribs?

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Cat5:

should say- mythbuntu – not straight up ubuntu

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pac1:

ok next problem... The schedule for the HD channels is all Unknown. Anyway to get that set up correctly? Why would they not come in from Schedules Direct?

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Shadow__X:

pac1, did you set it up correctly in mythbackend setup

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Shadow__X:

including unchecking eit and telling to use SD as the source

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pac1:

checking that. thanks.

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pac1:

yep both uncheked.

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Shadow__X:

alright well get out of mythbackend and allow it to run mythfilldatabase

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Shadow__X:

or if that doesnt fix it you could run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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Shadow__X:

and if you are using mythweb hit refresh to make sure its not a cached display

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pac1:

refreshing all did not work either.

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Shadow__X:

pac1, are you sure the xmltvid ar correct

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pac1:

is this a hint: Data Direct Listing Source is shared by two mythtv lineups

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Shadow__X:

wait

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pac1:

xmltv id?

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Shadow__X:

is the listing source for analog

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Shadow__X:

yeah xmltv id is the id to pull the appropriate information perchannel

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pac1:

ok. when I log in to schedules direct, what should I see?

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Shadow__X:

whats the name of your listing info

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JohnQ:

Is there a good tutorial on all that stuff? Comcast is switching from analog to digital in my area... and all the digital channels appear to show up on my hdhomerun (when using the utilities that came with it), but not in myth (presumably because of issues with schedulesdirect and xmltvids.

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Shadow__X:

uh well JohnQ you could just scan using mythbackend

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Shadow__X:

i have comcast as well

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JohnQ:

I did. it doesnt find them all

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Shadow__X:

change the type around

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Shadow__X:

h/o

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JohnQ:

For example... channel 107 has 11 sub-channels... but it only finds 1.

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JohnQ:

and calls it 107#0 as opposed to something useful.

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Shadow__X:

lol thats whats going to happen

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pac1:

Ok I've got two lineups. Comcast and Comcast-digital

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pac1:

Type Cable and Type CableDigital

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Shadow__X:

you have to look through each channel and change the name accordingly

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JohnQ:

the HDHR guys suggested reccompiling from svn... so I am going to try that next... but In general I wish I understood more about the listing data.

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JohnQ:

Right... "each channel" but 10 of the 11 are missing.

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JohnQ:

So...I cant even view them on myth

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Shadow__X:

JohnQ, to find more channels within mythbackend scan in modulation i would scan using 256 128 and 64

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JohnQ:

I did :-/

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Shadow__X:

that has produced me with more channels JohnQ yeah not all channels will work there are encrypted channels

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Shadow__X:

to be honest more encrypted than not

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JohnQ:

Supposedly all mine are QAM 256.. but I tried others anyway. No change

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Shadow__X:

expect to find local broadcast as per mandated

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Shadow__X:

other than that

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Shadow__X:

dont get your hopes up

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JohnQ:

I can view the channels using the HDHR software... so they are no encrypted.

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Shadow__X:

or qam that is

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Shadow__X:

lol uh

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

i have heard of using other scanners

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Shadow__X:

but for me the best has been scaning with 256 then 128 and 64 and adding them all together

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Shadow__X:

and assigning each their correct names

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JohnQ:

Ya.. not working for me, sadly. Lots missing

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Shadow__X:

hmm look on the wiki then dont know

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JohnQ:

I'll try from svn, but we'll see

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pac1:

Shadow__X, could It be that the names of the channels in Myth are not set properly for the HD channels?

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Shadow__X:

hmm pac1 well first make sure the qam tunner has digital selected

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Shadow__X:

and you might have to change the xmlidtv codes for hd channels

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Shadow__X:

i think i had to do that for one or 2

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pac1:

the xmlidtv codes are the id's when you roll over the channels in SD?

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Shadow__X:

uh if i can remember correctly

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Shadow__X:

yes

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Shadow__X:

dont remember off the top of my head

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pac1:

where do you set the id?

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Shadow__X:

either in mythweb setup

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Shadow__X:

or in mythbackend

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JohnQ:

mythweb is easier

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pac1:

ok. m i

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pac1:

back.

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pac1:

I've got the Channel list up in myth how do I connect the channels to the id?

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Shadow__X:

using SD

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Shadow__X:

match them up with the right one

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pac1:

video source set to cable-digital LIsting grabber North America Shedules Direct.org user id and password are entered, Retrieved lineups, Comcast-CableDigital

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pac1:

eit scan is off

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Shadow__X:

good

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pac1:

frequency table is us-cable.

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Shadow__X:

was the source set to the wrong one

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pac1:

maybe.

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Shadow__X:

didnt you just check

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pac1:

Now its set to MA20445:X

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pac1:

not the same...

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Shadow__X:

k

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pac1:

non-digital is set to MA20445:-

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Shadow__X:

?

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Shadow__X:

the same number

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Shadow__X:

nvm

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pac1:

one with – the other with X

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Shadow__X:

do mythfilldatabase --refresh-all although you need to make sure High def shows are pointed to the high def xmlidtv

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pac1:

They seem to be in SD.

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pac1:

MA20445:x (filtered) has WBZDT 20431

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pac1:

It shows in the schedule as WBZ HD

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pac1:

not DT

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pac1:

ma20445:-(filtered) shows all the analog channels

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thedarkone:

is there anyway to unformat a drive

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thedarkone:

?

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iamlindoro_:

Not without a flux capacitor

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iamlindoro_:

and a lightning storm

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thedarkone:

damn it

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thedarkone:

i formated wrong drive

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thedarkone:

well iamlindoro is a wintv go a good tv card

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thedarkone:

for myth

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iamlindoro_:

No, it's a very very old framegrabber

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thedarkone:

so i need what card

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iamlindoro_:

to do what?

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thedarkone:

well i wanta hook up my digital cable to myth

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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thedarkone:

is a pvr 150 a good one

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iamlindoro_:

The PVR 150 is an analog capture device, but it's very good. If you intend to capture standard definition from a cable box, that's a decent choice.

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iamlindoro_:

read the wiki link above

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thedarkone:

well it says i need a hd

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thedarkone:

one

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iamlindoro_:

What's "it?"

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thedarkone:

and firewire

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thedarkone:

well my digital cable is a sd box

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thedarkone:

not hd

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iamlindoro_:

You are not reading the link I gave you

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iamlindoro_:

I am not a shortcut to avoid reading

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JohnQ:

iamlindoro_ is now known as iamcliffsnotes

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JohnQ:

Wow.. Ive never watched the backend update schemas before. One version at a time!

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iamlindoro_:

They're incremental, it's the only way to do them :)

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thedarkone:

well i am lindoro they don't make pvr -150 anymore

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JohnQ:

-500s are good. I have one of them

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thedarkone:

well are Hauppauge WINTVHVR1600 DUAL Tuner 1183 any good?

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JohnQ:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Hauppauge

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thedarkone:

so that the list

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JohnQ:

Im not sure what "so that the list" means.

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thedarkone:

the list of cards that work

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iamlindoro_:

It's *a* list of cards that work

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** JohnQ seeks a verb. **

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thedarkone:

this looks like it gona be a major headace to get to work

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iamlindoro_:

There are hundreds of cards that work, nobody is going to hand you a recipe of exactly what to buy, you need to figure out what you need, and all the info is in the wiki

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iamlindoro_:

If doing the research is too much pain for you, you should seek another media center-- because the setup is much harder than the reading.

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iamlindoro_:

Myth has unparalleled flexibility, but you do the work to get it.

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Shadow__X:

:)

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Shadow__X:

rtm?

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thedarkone:

iamlindoro i know i did alot research when i was doing dvb

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Shadow__X:

i know i had to

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Anusien:

Where can I get test-mpeg2 from in order to test my firewire?

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Anusien:

nm, I think I found it

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android6011:

What do you guys think of this combined with a Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500019

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android6011:

i want to do hd video

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tank-man:

what is it?

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kormoc:

It's a motherboard, of a brand I've never heard of

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tank-man:

it says it has a NVIDIA GeForce 9300

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tank-man:

so do a internet search to see if that video card is good enough

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Anusien:

Anyone experienced with firewire here? I'm trying to test my setup before adding teh card to MythTV and all my firewire_tester connections are failing

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JohnQ:

I just upgraded to svn head, and the backend seems happy... but the frontend seems... grumpy. When I try to start it I get a bunch of errors in its log: http://pastebin.com/d16a75050

[03:26:31]

iamlindoro_:

Mythphone no longer exists, and mythsmolt is likely not .22 compatible

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iamlindoro_:

you left your plugin .so's installed and steamrolled over them

[03:26:55]

JohnQ:

Ah

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iamlindoro_:

rm /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/* (or /usr/local) and make install the plugins dir again

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JohnQ:

Indeed. Those were the instructions I was following. It did seem odd to me at the time

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jams:

mythsmolt is .22 compatible if you compile it against .22

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JohnQ:

Thanks

[03:27:44]

JohnQ:

what is mythsmolt? I dont even use it :-)

[03:28:13]

iamlindoro_:

statistics tracking

[03:28:35]

iamlindoro_:

but jams is the mythsmolt expert :)

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jams:

it's the menu entry called "hardware profile"

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JohnQ:

There are still a lot of "Cannot load language en_us for module... " messages

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iamlindoro_:

that's normal

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JohnQ:

k

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** jams needs to get j-rod to fix the lirc drivers so they report decent info that udev can pick up on. **

[03:35:57]

JohnQ:

hmm

[03:36:15]

JohnQ:

Now I seem to get a blue background but no menu. Which is a step in the right direction.

[03:37:09]

JohnQ:

Perhaps the same problem I had with plugins, but with themes?

[03:37:39]

iamlindoro_:

any theme you used to run will likely no longer run, especially if it's not a core theme

[03:38:12]

iamlindoro_:

If you want to test your theory, run "mythfrontend -O theme=Terra"

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JohnQ:

That didnt seem to change anything. It still says: "Could not find theme: blootube-wide" in the startup spam

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iamlindoro_:

Did you get the capitalization right?

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JohnQ:

I beleive so... yes.

[03:41:14]

JohnQ:

-O theme=Terra

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iamlindoro_:

I have a feeling you are going to have no end to segfaults and troubles if you steamrolled over an existing install

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Anusien:

Here's my plugreport results. http://rafb.net/p/CAbBxL42.html What flags do I need to pass test-mpeg2 in order to get results (and what do I need to do on the box)?

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iamlindoro_:

it's entirely possible your plugins built against old libmyth and... ugh, it's just going to be messy if you didn't clean out the old myth first

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JohnQ:

nah, I installed new mythn before building plugins.

[03:42:38]

JohnQ:

I just gorgot to clear out the plugins and themes 1st

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iamlindoro_:

JohnQ, installing over it won't help at all

[03:43:06]

JohnQ:

it?

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iamlindoro_:

you said that you installed new myth before building plugins

[03:43:22]

iamlindoro_:

but that means *nothing*

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JohnQ:

Let me re-explain...

[03:43:36]

iamlindoro_:

if you didn't first clear out the existing (old) libraries

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JohnQ:

I removed old myth... built new myth... installed new myth... buult plugins and themes.. installed plugins and themes..

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iamlindoro_:

ls -al /usr/lib/libmyth*

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iamlindoro_:

pastebin output

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iamlindoro_:

(or /usr/local/lib/libmyth* if you use --prefix=/usr/local)

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JohnQ:

http://pastebin.com/df774a2f

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jams:

course he may be in a even bigger mess if old myth was /usr and new myth is /usr/local

[03:45:44]

iamlindoro_:

indeed

[03:45:53]

iamlindoro_:

That output is fine, but jams is right

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JohnQ:

Nah, both were usr local

[03:46:27]

JohnQ:

knoppmyth uses usr local by default

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jams:

you mean /usr

[03:46:49]

JohnQ:

but just to be sure.. I'll scour /usr brb

[03:46:51]

JohnQ:

Yes

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JohnQ:

I mean usr.. sorry. Long day

[03:47:55]

JohnQ:

find /usr -name libmyth\* tells me I only have *.22.* versions

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jams:

/usr/share/mythtv /usr/include/mythtv /usr/lib/libmyth /usr/lib/myth

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JohnQ:

what? remove those and reinstall?

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jams:

you have to clear out all .21 things myth, and thats where they live.

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JohnQ:

k

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jams:

well guess it's not required to clear out all those dir and/or files , but it's best if you do

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JohnQ:

this isnt going to kill my db is it?

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jams:

database is in /var, but hopefully you have a backup from before you started on this path

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JohnQ:

I do.. but Id rather not have to use it

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JohnQ:

Yay .. back on the road to happiness. thanks.

[03:59:19]

JohnQ:

looks like my favorite blootube is gone. Any themes that have a native resolution of 1080p?

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iamlindoro_:

The are none, and never have been any

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JohnQ:

bummer

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iamlindoro_:

Though it's now possible in .22

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jams:

iamlindoro- btw it's "Theme" when using -o

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jams:

mysql may not care about case, but myth does

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iamlindoro_:

jams, Yeah, realized after the fact

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jams:

either was the above excerise was the better road

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jams:

either way

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iamlindoro_:

TheTVDB is very sick

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iamlindoro_:

poor TVDB, it'll be okay

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jams:

well guess it's time for bed, been a long day

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iamlindoro_:

night

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jams:

stupid udev and lirc. Had to change my whole plan because of it. but any way, good night.

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JohnQ:

I heard there was a "prefer HD" flag somewhere.. but I dont see it. Where would such a thing live?

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: I wanted to tell you that switching to "slim" mode has fixed a plethora of problems besides the ones I was having last night. thanks for that great advice. It got rid of those occasional horizontal lines I've been getting as well.

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Led_Hed:

I have a 3 Seagate 1.5TB Drives in a RAID 5 Array (mdadm). IOTop shows that I'm averaging 3–5M/s. My system load Avg is around 1.80, CPU Usage is around 1.5%. Would 3–5M/s oc continuous writes be enough to cause this kind of load?

[05:03:50]

kormoc:

top shows what % is in the raid process and how mich is in io wait?

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kormoc:

*much

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Led_Hed:

RAID was 1% in top

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Led_Hed:

I'll have to set some more recordings to check the IO wait.

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Led_Hed:

kormoc, where do I check the IO wait?

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kormoc:

top shows it

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kormoc:

%wa

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Led_Hed:

I hate computers!!!!!! I have it recording at the same rate, and now my load avg is 0.6. This always happens when I try to trouble shoot something.

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Led_Hed:

right now wa% = 11.7

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kormoc:

so that's saying that you're waiting for a lot of IO

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kormoc:

what is your filesystem?

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Led_Hed:

XFS

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Led_Hed:

for the RAID volume

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kormoc:

and you're only doing one recording at a time? how full is the disk?

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Led_Hed:

31% used

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Led_Hed:

or 69% Free

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kormoc:

kinky!

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Led_Hed:

Thats 2 HD Recordings

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Led_Hed:

and 1 SDTV

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Led_Hed:

MPEG2

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iamlindoro_:

There, MythGame finally set up, now I have to theme it. Oh yeah, not MythUI yet, off the hook.... ;)

[05:14:21]

kormoc:

so do a hdparm -tT /dev/md#

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kormoc:

that should give you some raw performance numbers

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: what advice?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, slim profule

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kormoc:

*profile

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wagnerrp:

can recall anything about playback profiles from last night

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wagnerrp:

*cant

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Led_Hed:

/dev/md0:

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Led_Hed:

Timing cached reads: 8188 MB in 2.00 seconds = 4097.54 MB/sec

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Led_Hed:

Timing buffered disk reads: 690 MB in 3.00 seconds = 229.90 MB/sec

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iamlindoro_:

Hm. that was sub optimal.

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Led_Hed:

kormoc, is there a way to test Write Performance?

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wagnerrp:

Led_Hed: check out bonnie++

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kormoc:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/raid/test bs=1M count=512

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, how is that not onpar with what is should be doing

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iamlindoro_:

Shadow__X, Me managing to crash X is always sub optimal

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kormoc:

could play with different bs values, but I find 1M is fairly solid

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Shadow__X:

ah didnt know that

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: the advice to change from CPU+ to slim. that has really worked well.

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iamlindoro_:

How appropriate, kormoc fights like a cow

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Led_Hed:

536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 9.36649 s, 57.3 MB/s

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: cant say i recall discussion about profiles last night

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iamlindoro_:

If you were advised to use Slim, sphery is the odd-on favorite for that

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iamlindoro_:

odds-on

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iamlindoro_:

And he is right

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Lexridge:

ah, I think your are correct, Iamlindoro. It was sphery.

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Lexridge:

sorry

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Led_Hed:

so if its capable of 57 MB/s then 3–5 shouldnt be causing high load avg should it?

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iamlindoro_:

Funny how if you stick around long enough, you can tell who gave the advice by the advice given ;)

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Lexridge:

lol

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kormoc:

Yeah, my advice tends to involve rubber chickens with pulleys

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc is always selling these fine leather jackets

[05:21:37]

iamlindoro_:

And trying to feed me orichalchum.

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JohnQ:

Hmm. It seems that at least some of the screens ahve trouble with widescreen.

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JohnQ:

I.e., mythvideo.. the chnnel editor in myth-setup... etc..

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kormoc:

too bad iamlindoro looks like a flooring inspector

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** iamlindoro_ grogs kormoc **

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kormoc:

Least I'll never be locked up

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wagnerrp:

in the first season of heroes, didnt nathan have a wife and kids?

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iamlindoro_:

only if you have a few cups to transfer it back and forth in to

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, YES!

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iamlindoro_:

I've been complaining about that for weeks

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt the kids have powers?

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kormoc:

Me belly is stronger then tin!

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iamlindoro_:

Shouldn't the kids STILL EXIST?

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, yes he did but didnt something happen to her

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Shadow__X:

and possible the kids

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iamlindoro_:

or did they decide to bring them back up randomly this evening?

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wagnerrp:

well they split up, i can accept that

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wagnerrp:

no, just thinking about it

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wagnerrp:

but the kids, the kids

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wagnerrp:

theyre rounding up all the people with powers

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kormoc:

Won't somebody think of the kids?

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wagnerrp:

the kids should have powers

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wagnerrp:

and yet nathan isnt a damn bit concerned about protecting them

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

well he is concerned about claire because she is in the fore front

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kormoc:

Really now, it's cause she's hawt

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iamlindoro_:

Wow, I managed to hang the job queue, it's been ages since I managed that

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kormoc:

She has a front I'm all for

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** kormoc stops **

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Shadow__X:

eh i dont know

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Shadow__X:

also kormoc how can i test the right speeds of a hard drive of needs to point to the actual hard drive?

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, of a single drive in an array or of a single drive?

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Shadow__X:

single drive

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kormoc:

the same dd command I gave earlier works

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kormoc:

the of=/goes/to/any/file/you/want

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Led_Hed:

Thanks for the help. I think I'm gonna take my backend outside and see how far I can throw it.

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Shadow__X:

ah i tried to send it to a dir maybe thats why i messed up

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kormoc:

it might not even be the drives

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kormoc:

that io wait could be from the cards or what not

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kormoc:

see if dmesg has anything?

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wagnerrp:

Led-Hed: going to try for the hammer throw?

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Shadow__X:

horrible 41.2MB/sec

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Led_Hed:

wagnerrp, I would have to tie some rope around it, but that might yield a better distance

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Led_Hed:

kormoc, what might I look for in dmesg?

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kormoc:

buffer overflows or underflows or the like

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Led_Hed:

ok, thanks

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kormoc:

and is anything else using the array?

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Shadow__X:

how can you find iowait

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kormoc:

top, it's the %wa number

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Shadow__X:

ah well thank you kormoc

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iamlindoro_:

Now I've got the LOOM theme song in my head

[05:33:49]

JohnQ:

hmm finding a good theme is a bit tricky.

[05:33:51]

iamlindoro_:

By the by, I maintain that ScummVM is the most worthwhile thing MythGame is capable of doing

[05:34:19]

kormoc:

Hear Hear!

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, what games are even worth while there my n810 can do it just havnt found worthwhile songs

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iamlindoro_:

Shadow__X, All the Scumm games are awesome

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kormoc:

All of them?

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Shadow__X:

remove there

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iamlindoro_:

Monkey Island, Loom, and indy games in particular

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kormoc:

DOTT!

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Shadow__X:

hmm maybe because i am from a different generation

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iamlindoro_:

DOTT is awesome, I also love The Dig, full throttle...

[05:35:13]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, so back to all of them

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kormoc:

you're under 10?

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Led_Hed:

kormoc, I disabled Write Cache on the 1.5TB Drives as a workaround for a buggy firmware. Would that cause the high IOWait? It hasn't been a problem until the last week or so.

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Shadow__X:

no but i dont remember any of those games

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kormoc:

I never completed the dig, just the demo, and never found it

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kormoc:

Led-Hed, aye, it would

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kormoc:

Led-Hed, mid 90's

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kormoc:

erm, Shadow__X mid 90's

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kormoc:

Led-Hed, write caching would slow down writes, so yeah, that could be it

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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iamlindoro_:

The funniest games of the last 10 years don't come close to the classic Lucasarts adventures

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Led_Hed:

kormoc, ok thanks, I'll look into getting a new firmware for the drives. Thanks for all the help.

[05:36:43]

kormoc:

The telltale games are solid, as are the runaway adventure games

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Shadow__X:

hmm i wasnt really into games much growing up and still mid 90s i wasnt too old

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Led_Hed:

Night All, Thanks again.

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JohnQ:

Do 0.21 themes generally work in 0.22?

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kormoc:

no

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Shadow__X:

i remember monopoly on a tandy

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Shadow__X:

how does that stack up

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JohnQ:

shame

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Shadow__X:

also chess on a dos machine i believe

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iamlindoro_:

There's no shame in the loss of .21 themes, ick

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JohnQ:

I miss blootube-wide

[05:38:53]

Lexridge:

at the time, the Amiga games were top notch.

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iamlindoro_:

It's author doesn't

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iamlindoro_:

er Its

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JohnQ:

there arent very many wide themes now.

[05:39:21]

iamlindoro_:

100% of the MythUI themes are wide

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Shadow__X:

lol

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kormoc:

I *still* play SCUMM games

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iamlindoro_:

'course, there's only 2 of them

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kormoc:

15 years later...

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JohnQ:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

and one of them only exists at my house

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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JohnQ:

which two are those?

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, I just had Monkey 2 open

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iamlindoro_:

Terra and Graphite

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iamlindoro_:

Terra: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra

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iamlindoro_:

Graphite: http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/706 . . . 946775_9mrYU

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JohnQ:

Hmm

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JohnQ:

Maybe I;ll go back to 0.21.

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, I played through Monkey 1 and 2 on my giganto screen last summer, it was glorious

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kormoc:

snaz

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kormoc:

I'll need to aquire the dig and play though it

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, The fancy scalers in ScummVM are a sight to behold, too

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Shadow__X:

there ya go iamlindoro with the good work

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Shadow__X:

:) cant wait to upgrade to .22

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iamlindoro_:

I like the Dig... slightly slower paced than the other ScummVM stuff but still good

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Shadow__X:

also i am having thoughts off hdpvr

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/tvepsupport.ogg

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iamlindoro_:

pew pew!

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Shadow__X:

hows hdpvr support in trunk or is asking for stability not appreciated

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iamlindoro_:

It works fine. Expecting stability out of trunk is silly in general but at the moment HD-PVR support is mostly okay

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Shadow__X:

heh better or worse than firewire would be a better question

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Shadow__X:

thats how i am recording now want to get a hdpvr to beable to record everything

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iamlindoro_:

Kinda depends on what you expect. My firewire is rock solid so I record everything with that if it's not on QAM. If your firewire is unpredictable, then the HD-PVR is bound to be more so than you have now.

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iamlindoro_:

But you need to be aware that you lose the ability to losslessly cut commercials, so if you rely on/expect that, you should divest yourself of that desire now :)

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Shadow__X:

well for awhile firewire was fine it would reliable record the shows i want but my box decided to become flaky so yeah

[05:49:28]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, i have no issue having it automatically transcode then cut commercials

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Shadow__X:

that can be done correct

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Shadow__X:

i do not get all the channels i want over firewire comcast by you is nicer than by me

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iamlindoro_:

punctuation would help a whole lot in understanding you

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Shadow__X:

hmm fine!

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Shadow__X:

where would you like me to start

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kormoc:

Or a English class or two. I figure his school likely would offer one or two

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Shadow__X:

i have the ability to speak english kormoc.

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, the only way you can remove commercials on HD-PVR recording would be to transcode in the lossy way (not losslessly). This means losing quality and ending up with an NUV.

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Shadow__X:

its just 2AM here and i am finishing a right up for class while looking at 2 different monitors at a time

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iamlindoro_:

If I were to up and lose my ability to record reliably via firewire, I would probably do something about that. Lucky for me that hasn't happened thus far.

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kormoc:

oh whoops.... I thought you were a ESL, sorry

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Shadow__X:

no

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, hmm the hdpvr spits out h.264 mpeg2s correct?

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

h.264 mpeg2s?

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iamlindoro_:

erm, you are at cross-terminologies

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Shadow__X:

hmm alright i will rephrase

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Shadow__X:

the hdpvr outputs h.264 encoded mpeg file right

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iamlindoro_:

the HD-PVr outputs h.264 video and AAC or AC3 audio in an MPEG-TS container.

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Shadow__X:

or no

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Shadow__X:

ah right thats what i was asking

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iamlindoro_:

No, but it's what you meant to ask ;)

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kormoc:

T:TSCC would be better without so much drama and more robot battle

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, Am soooo far behind on that show

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iamlindoro_:

figure I'll make it summer watching (hahah, PUN!)

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kormoc:

So am I

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** kormoc laughs **

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Shadow__X:

hmm are there any other options to convert to other than a NUV file

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iamlindoro_:

Your options are an NUV file, resurrecting nuvexport and fixing it up, or adding a new lossless transcode method to mythtranscode

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iamlindoro_:

let me knwo when you're done

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iamlindoro_:

s/knwo/know/

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kormoc:

resurrecting nuvexport?

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Shadow__X:

heh sure will

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, and/or rolling back to a version of ffmpeg old enough to be in parity with it, I suppose

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iamlindoro_:

But I didn't want to make it sound too easy or anything ;)

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kormoc:

ahh, fair 'nuff

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iamlindoro_:

but all lossy options except for the "iamlindoro gets off his butt and writes that new lossless option he keeps bitching about"

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** kormoc picks that one **

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** Shadow__X votes for that one as well **

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iamlindoro_:

I proved the concept last week with dd and some manual checking of the DB byte offsets

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iamlindoro_:

worked great

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kormoc:

So you're migrating from theme god to video god eh?

[05:59:13]

iamlindoro_:

ooof, I'd rather not have either mantle, thanks :)

[05:59:32]

iamlindoro_:

I think I have more code in mythvideo than either of those anyway :)

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iamlindoro_:

as its maintainer puts up with my whiny badgering ;)

[06:06:18]

iamlindoro_:

This mythweb bug guy *has* to have something else going on

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iamlindoro_:

corrupt DB, or listings source combined with EIT

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iamlindoro_:

probably the latter if I had to guess

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kormoc:

Is he adding more tickets?

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iamlindoro_:

just commenting on the same

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iamlindoro_:

but the alleged behaviors are bizarre

[06:07:15]

iamlindoro_:

"another recording schedule for me had changed..."

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iamlindoro_:

i mean, they don't just change on a dime

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iamlindoro_:

It sounds *lot* like having EIT and the grabber combined

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Shadow__X:

EIT likes to with stuff

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JohnQ:

Is there any additional work to install a theme required beyond just untarring them in the themes dir?

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iamlindoro_:

no, nothing else is required, assuming proper permissions

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Shadow__X:

chmod 777 / will fix that right up

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Shadow__X:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

not unless the files in question are in /

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** iamlindoro_ offers Shadow__X a -R **

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Shadow__X:

heh everyone else can jest

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Shadow__X:

damn cant even jest with proper execution

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iamlindoro_:

jest with proper syntax ;)

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Shadow__X:

yes yes

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Shadow__X:

i learned the hardway to leave most options to the last

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Shadow__X:

just in case

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** kormoc blinks **

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Shadow__X:

-R for example

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kormoc:

I just make sure I know what I'm doing before I press enter

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Shadow__X:

also my n810 doesnt get W permissions anymore as some coder likes to have it rm -RF my mounted directories

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Shadow__X:

yeah well kormoc in my world apt-get upgrade on a n810 apparently means rm -RF /server

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Shadow__X:

therefore learning the hardway

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kormoc:

There's your problem! package management systems are for chumps

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Shadow__X:

pushing gentoo then?

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kormoc:

Gentoo has a package management system

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kormoc:

just source based packages

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kormoc:

do the LFS

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Shadow__X:

ah so then compile from source?

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Shadow__X:

LFS?

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** kormoc does the LFS dance **

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kormoc:

Linux From Scratch

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Shadow__X:

ah

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kormoc:

be a man, do your own distro!

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kormoc:

All the cool kids are doing it

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kormoc:

The first hit is free

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Shadow__X:

:) ill pass

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Anusien:

kormoc: Don't lie. The first hit has a nasty comedown. Specifically when you realize how badly you screwed up!

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Shadow__X:

kormoc, whats the name of your distro then

[06:15:03]

kormoc:

That's only cause you didn't ride the wave! Never come down!

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iamlindoro_:

KormMyth

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, kormux!

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iamlindoro_:

You get to call it whatever the eff you want when you roll it yourself

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iamlindoro_:

Mine's Fellatrix!

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kormoc:

"HandsOffMine!"

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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Shadow__X:

doesnt really flow nicely

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Shadow__X:

doesnt really flow at all

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kormoc:

"I run 'My ass is owned by kormoc' on my desktop but on my laptop I run 'I am a epic wimp'"

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kormoc:

and they're all codenamed tuna

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kormoc:

How's project tuna coming along? Just slap some mayo on it and ship it!

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Shadow__X:

surely the laughter will follow

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kormoc:

Here I go again on my own....

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iamlindoro_:

To be fair, it's the only road he's ever known

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Shadow__X:

like a drifter i was borne to walk alone

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Shadow__X:

yes i had to look it up

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JohnQ:

MePo looks cute. Shame he doesn't work for me :-/

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Shadow__X:

what was going on in the 80s with hair

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kormoc:

The hair was epic!

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iamlindoro_:

If you are trying to use pre-MythUI themes in .22, You are doin it rong

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Shadow__X:

completely ridiculous

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kormoc:

That was the point

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kormoc:

Twisted Sister!

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iamlindoro_:

The whole point of MythUI is to break with the past and build new, more capable, flexible themes

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justinh:

I have a picture of MePo here where he's impaled on a spike

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Shadow__X:

the hair is louder than they are

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iamlindoro_:

what a perfect time for justinh to turn up

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iamlindoro_:

handle this!

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justinh:

handle what?

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iamlindoro_:

explain why old themes bad new themes good

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JohnQ:

iamlindoro: MePo claims to work on svn

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iamlindoro_:

JohnQ, Where does it claim that?

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kormoc:

With your usual grace and charm, explain the bright future without Blootube!

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justinh:

JohnQ: it did, pre the mythui porting

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kormoc:

the problem with static text is that it doesn't update when the subject it's talking bout does

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JohnQ:

it claims that on the site I downloaded it from

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justinh:

kormoc: there may well be a future for Blootube but I'm not involved

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iamlindoro_:

"03-19–2008 – version 0.50 released. Ported MythControls and MythFlix to MythUI. REQUIRES TRUNK. "

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JohnQ:

Maybe theyre wrong.. but they said that

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iamlindoro_:

hahaha, so it worked with trunk a YEAR ago

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JohnQ:

feh

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kormoc:

what's a year of development time?

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justinh:

JohnQ: so that was then, before gbee started porting the UI to the new libs

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justinh:

er.. mostly gbee

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JohnQ:

I just want a functional, simple ui. not like I am asking for anything too crazy here.

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justinh:

so make one

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iamlindoro_:

Why in the world are you running trunk?

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iamlindoro_:

You don't get to ask for anything with trunk, you get to build it

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justinh:

I remember when I thought all the mythtv themes sucked. I looked around & the only option I had was to make something

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JohnQ:

they dont suck... they just have functional ones.. and they have simple ones.. but the sets are disjoint.

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: hey I found something I like about nightshade. I like the fade effect on the program selector thingy. Pity it doesn't match the background though eh

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kormoc:

JohnQ, so you're talking to the guy who wrote the ones you like

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justinh:

JohnQ: what do you mean 'the sets are disjoint' ?

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, are there screenies?

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: no

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JohnQ:

the set of functional themes are disjoint from the set of simple themes.

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JohnQ:

I.e... the complex ones work..

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

they're all pretty much of a muchness IMHO. different graphics is all that separates them

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justinh:

and if you want to take a basic theme & make it look _more_ basic all you'd need to do is replace bitmaps with flat colours

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justinh:

and that wouldn't even need you to open an xml file

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JohnQ:

No the basic ones are plenty basic... they just dont work.

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justinh:

so that's what happens when a project is in flux

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JohnQ:

I guess.

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justinh:

maybe nobody loves them themes enough to keep them up to speed

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Shadow__X:

isnt that what trunk is about?

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JohnQ:

So.. what.. each and every one o you makes and maintains only the theme you use?

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iamlindoro_:

more or less, it's not a job

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iamlindoro_:

Why should I have to maintain what I don't like/use?

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kormoc:

Yeah, pretty much

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** kormoc sheds a tear of GANT **

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kormoc:

*for

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JohnQ:

true... but it hardly scales very well

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kormoc:

who said it should?

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kormoc:

That's the fun of open source, if it's lacking, you can fix it up and share

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iamlindoro_:

There's lots of stuff in myth that needs to *stop* being maintained

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iamlindoro_:

thank god we finally got rid of MythPhone

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kormoc:

yeah, really

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Shadow__X:

wait

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Shadow__X:

you got ride of it

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Shadow__X:

NOOO

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kormoc:

I'm a huge code delete fan

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Shadow__X:

i used that

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iamlindoro_:

oh yes

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, I like the past tense....

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kormoc:

I used it too, like three years ago

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kormoc:

for about 10 minutes

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justinh:

there are some things in myth which people actually _want_ to stay the way they are & they must be de-programmed

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Shadow__X:

i was trying to play along

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Shadow__X:

never used it

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JohnQ:

So... G.N.A.T. is dead too now?

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Shadow__X:

what does that stand for btw

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kormoc:

Pretty much, unless someone wants to put the work into it

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JohnQ:

its still on the list of supported themes in the wiki, is why I ask.

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kormoc:

GNArly Tacos

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kormoc:

it's supported on the current stable release

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iamlindoro_:

GANT is supported in the current release

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kormoc:

ooh?

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iamlindoro_:

heh, beat me to it

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kormoc:

heh

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justinh:

JohnQ: nope. all the core themes _should_ work because default -ui.xml files have been made. All that happens is they'll all look the same if nobody makes -ui.xml files for that specific theme

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kormoc:

I misread that

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kormoc:

If only I could make GANT widescreened... but graphite looks like a solid replacement, assuming I can read the menus

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justinh:

and yes, some of the default xml files could maybe use some work but nobody has time or the inclination at the moment

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justinh:

and I'm sorry as for simplicity – I wouldn't have pegged any of the core themes as elegant

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justinh:

my love affair with shiny things is over

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, Don't worry, JYA will port it for you :)

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kormoc:

ooh, my hero!

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JohnQ:

Which?

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justinh:

kormoc: it wouldn't be hard to widen G.A.N.T. at all. I'm not gonna do something I'll never use if nobody else is gonna step up to maintain it

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kormoc:

Yeah, I keep meaning to do it, but I have no idea what I'm doing and I have a serious lack of free time....

[06:39:42]

kormoc:

one day....

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, is your theme available?

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justinh:

thing is.. in bringing something up to snuff with mythui, it'd be a shame not to use some of the new features – but then would it ever be the same theme?

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, not just yet, I keep changing my mind on things and some hunks are pretty undone

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JohnQ:

How much control does the theme have over the page layout? I.e., in blootube 0.21 the mythvideo was 2-columns, but now it seems all of them are 3-columns...

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kormoc:

so I love GANT cause it's easy for me to read

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justinh:

JohnQ: that's the list view

[06:40:34]

JohnQ:

Yes

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kormoc:

justinh, the greyish color with the yellow makes it easy for me to read from across a room, most of the other themes I can't

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JohnQ:

So.. not under control of the theme then?

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justinh:

you can have 3 columns or 3 columns

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JohnQ:

I see

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kormoc:

that's pretty much the key, I'm functional over form

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justinh:

eventually you'll be able to change that

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JohnQ:

kormoc: I agree

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justinh:

kormoc: it's all those cave drawings that put me off it

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kormoc:

iamlindoro's theme seems neutral enough that if the highlights are bright enough, perhaps it'll work...

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justinh:

and the nasty jaggies on all the boxes.

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc, I've got some work to do on some of that, there are some parts of it I don't think are readable enough

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justinh:

getting away from coloured text to indicate the status of things, when there are more than 3 possible states... that can only be a GOOD thing

[06:43:15]

justinh:

hmmm does green mean it's recording or that it WILL be recorded? Oh, this text is red. red means BAD right? No? Eh?

[06:44:15]

justinh:

I wonder whatever happened to the notion of text backgrounds in state types

[06:44:51]

justinh:

hmm.. are the recording status things statetypes now?

[06:45:12]

justinh:

might be something else to have a go at if not

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, they're statetypes

[06:47:36]

iamlindoro_:

you mean the PBB recording/trasncoding/commflagging, right?

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JohnQ:

who made MePo anyway? At least some websites say he is working on a 0.22 version.

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justinh:

his website says who he is

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kormoc:

He likely is, just not until 0.22 stabilizes

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: I mean the stuff currently in 0.21 where there are about 6 different font definitions for PBB list text

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justinh:

I can't remember what's done in trunk for that, if anything

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justinh:

lemme just refresh my memory

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justinh:

heh. they're back to just being a list & I'm guessing that status is only shown with icons. Jees my memory has got as short as my temper

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JohnQ:

My grandfather was on that trend all his life.

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JohnQ:

Last time I saw him he didn't recognize anyone... but he hated them all.

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JohnQ:

Like the movie Momento... but with more rage.

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justinh:

well I won't be doing that again. uninstalling the fast user switcher, that is

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justinh:

I thought ooo no I don't need that thing taking up valuable resources when I never flipping use it... so I found out it can be safely removed. Yeah RIGHT

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justinh:

so it took off the ubuntu-desktop metapackage when I removed it... and now when I log in over freenx I get a desktop background & that's all I get. DUH

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JohnQ:

huh, the non-wide themes look better on a wide screen than the "wide" ones. Good to know.

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justinh:

until such time as somebody tweaks the default-wide ui xml files, no doubt

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justinh:

hahaha this always happens. some dipshit ATE muppet wants a board I assembled 3 years ago, right now. this instant

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justinh:

ow. now firefox is broken

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justinh:

I think I might have succeed in completely breaking ubuntu

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justinh:

and all by removing one package some expect said was ok to remove. yay

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Shadow__X:

justinh, how broken

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justinh:

desktop kinda broken

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Shadow__X:

what did you remove

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Sulx:

justinh: ubuntu does that ;)

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justinh:

I can start gnome in an nxsession but it comes up to an empty desktop. no windows, no taskbar, plain X mouse cursor. I can export DISPLAY & run programs

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justinh:

also no clock or any other panel

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justinh:

Shadow__X: removed fast-user-switcher-applet

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justinh:

which also pulled out the gnome-desktop metapackage but hey, that's ok (allegedly)

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justinh:

installed kde-desktop which pretty much works but firefox won't launch

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justinh:

I'm beginning to see the merits of a VM here

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Shadow__X:

justinh, by default firefox has a ubuntu-gnome package afaik

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Shadow__X:

so try firefox with a new profile maybe

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justinh:

I think I might just try a new fscking distro

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Shadow__X:

heh

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Shadow__X:

yeah i see the merrit in that

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tank-man:

start from scratch :)

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Shadow__X:

but who told you to remove fast user switcher

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Shadow__X:

honestly

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Shadow__X:

lol

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justinh:

I checked, and people said it was safe

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justinh:

ducking people

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Shadow__X:

well technically it is

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Shadow__X:

everything besides x was perfectly fine right

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Shadow__X:

you still had terminal

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Shadow__X:

lol

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Shadow__X:

that could be considered fine

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Shadow__X:

but yeah kinda stupid that it goes ahead uninstalling gnome

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justinh:

no kinda about it

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tank-man:

your fault for trusting a computer to do things automatically

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justinh:

thing is, it hasn't actually uninstalled gnome

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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justinh:

it's just broken stuff. or something has

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justinh:

when I export the display in ssh & run firefox.. nothing happens. let it sit there for 5+ minutes

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justinh:

hey if I was happy with just web browsing I'd run Konqueror. But EEW

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Shadow__X:

lol eew is right

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Shadow__X:

did you try the profile thing

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justinh:

I renamed .mozilla. no difference

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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justinh:

it's DUCKED

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tank-man:

is the process even running?

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Shadow__X:

other than potentially that plugin i cant think of what else would tie it to gnome

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Shadow__X:

but then again dont know much of its inner workings

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justinh:

my vnc server has stopped running too. restarted gdm to see if that'd help any but my monitor isn't switched on

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Shadow__X:

justinh, hmm wouldnt gdm not work anymore

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Shadow__X:

it would be kdm right?

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Shadow__X:

also what vnc server is it

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justinh:

no matter. I've had it up to here

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justinh:

I should've stuck with Dapper.

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Shadow__X:

fedora next?

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justinh:

dunno why but over my dead body

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

RHEL!!! ftw then?

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JohnQ:

slackware?

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Shadow__X:

xandros

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JohnQ:

minix?

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justinh:

aha! moved /etc/firefox-3.0/profile & now it starts

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Shadow__X:

so it was the profile

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Shadow__X:

did it have the ubuntu-firefox plugin

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Shadow__X:

?

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justinh:

yeah just not the one in ~/.mozilla

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Shadow__X:

hmm ok

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justinh:

I think I could get used to KDE.. well, < 4 anyway

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justinh:

maybe I won't get Kused Kto Keverything Kstarting Kits Kname Kwith Ka Kletter 'K' though

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** cesman thought the K was kool until 4.0 **

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sid3windr:

kde4 = disaster

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Dibblah:

Sheesh. Just like current trunk is a 'disaster'.

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Dibblah:

It's essentially a rewrite from scratch. They made the mistake of releasing too early, of course ;)

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gbee:

kde4 should, eventually be great (well I hope), but as Dibblah said, they released it way too early

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Dibblah:

At least Myth can't be accused of that.

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gbee:

releasing the first 4.x version before they had even finished porting half the apps was IMHO their first big error, then following it up with 4.1 which was noticably incomplete and slow ...

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gbee:

just hope 4.2 is half what they promise

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paco_:

good morning all people

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paco_:

all time, when i watch a video, mplayer starts with subtitles, i try it with -noautosub and -onlyforcedsubs, but all time display at start subtitles, how can i disactivate that?

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Dibblah:

Change your player to Internal

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Dibblah:

And enjoy a unified environment :)

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paco_:

hmmm

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paco_:

i use mplayer for wath videos mkv, with vdpau and passtrought for spdif

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paco_:

i can do it the same with internal only?

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paco_:

do not neeed to reconfigure anything?

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justinh:

you can't use vdpau with 0.21-fixes

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justinh:

so, for help with _mplayer_, you'd probably be better off asking in #mplayer

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justinh:

s/probably/DEFINITELY

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justinh:

you might want to look into why the video has subtitles burned into it :P

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paco_:

i'm looking for use forcedsubtitle only in spanish

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paco_:

but dont work in mplayer

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justinh:

#mplayer

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paco_:

i use mkv with 3–4 layers of subtitles everytime

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paco_:

yes i know

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paco_:

dont worry

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justinh:

I'm not worried :P

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jduggan:

heh

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paco_:

:9

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paco_:

:)

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slayven:

paco_: did you check your /etc/mplayer.conf and ~/.mplayer/config files for defaults?

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paco_:

yes

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tank-man:

wouldnt command line options override config options?

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paco_:

yes, i try it, but if i use slang the mplayer shows all time subtitles, no only the forced

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sid3windr:

Dibblah: yes, so it is a disaster. I'm using it every day and can be amazed at how something like krunner can actually segfault :>

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justinh:

hmmm April 1st tomorrow. wonder if ******************** would make a good wind-up for mythtv users

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k-man:

how's .22 coming along?

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paco_:

its anything for controlling the torrents under mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

paco_: Nope

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paco_:

ok

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paco_:

and its anything for import or export files when you plugged on usb external?

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paco_:

or you need to use thunar and one keyboard and mouse?

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gbee:

k-man: it's not, it's been cancelled

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justinh:

due to lack of interest :P

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pheld:

On some HD-channels subtitles are crisp. On others the font-rendering looks awful. Any particular reason why?

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pheld:

i.e is there something I can do about it?

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GrahamIRC:

possibly play around with interlace settings?

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pheld:

thought so too, but that doesn't seem to have any effect.

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GrahamIRC:

:-s

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pheld:

otoh, it may be vdpau. but my box doesn't have umpf enough to cope without

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justinh:

awww

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pheld:

guess I'll just have to wait and see if hardware-deint improves over time

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justinh:

or just learn the other language :P

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pheld:

subtitles on english programs is just noise to me. Not so to my old parents ;)

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** iamlindoro thinks .22 canceled due to lack of interest sounds like a great April Fools Joke **

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iamlindoro:

Something like "We've just decided to let the community backport all the features instead."

[14:47:56]

clever:

iamlindoro: guess what!, my masterbackend now has 10mbit!

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iamlindoro:

no care

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clever:

somehow, my router died durring a power outage

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iamlindoro:

no care

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clever:

i did exactly what you expected, i screwed shit up without even touching it:P

[14:50:06]

iamlindoro:

no care, but no surprise

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jams:

language clever language

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clever:

oops

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genii:

All the more argument for a decent UPS

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clever:

i have a UPS on the main gateway/switch

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clever:

but the linksys router that was just being abused as a switch crapped out and broke one of the major links in the LAN

[15:03:35]

clever:

with that point dead, 5 systems and the wireless where cut off from the dns/gateway/internet

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genii:

clever: If it's still under warranty, take it back and yell a bit

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clever:

its several years old and ive allready cracked it open and split the warranty sticker

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jams:

wonder if mythsqueezebox would be of any use?

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hybr1der:

how come that when i change resolution i cant start mythtv properly anymore?

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iamlindoro:

erm... maybe being *a lot* more specific would help

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hybr1der:

well the screen goes fubar and it looks like the screen has gone through a paper schredder

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acidfreeze:

hi i have a haugepauge 1600, using cx16 module. where does it mount it at

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acidfreeze:

i tried /dev/video0

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hybr1der:

and when i change the resolution back everything is okay again

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meshe:

acidfreeze: check dmesg

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hybr1der:

is there a easy way to reinstall the whole thing and remove all databases?

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acidfreeze:

meshe: here is the error dmesg says any ideas http://rafb.net/p/YSy0M143.html

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acidfreeze:

i guess i need to change that in kernel?

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meshe:

you asked where it would mount, dmesg will tell you

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acidfreeze:

its not because of error i linked you to

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acidfreeze:

did u see?

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meshe:

yup, it's probably because of that error, it's a problem for #linuxtv

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m4xmyth:

2009-03–31 09:40:17.519 XMLTV config file is: /root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv

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m4xmyth:

/root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv:2: bad line

[15:45:33]

m4xmyth:

/root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv:3: bad line

[15:45:38]

m4xmyth:

any idea why i get bad line when i run mythdatabasefill

[15:45:40]

m4xmyth:

?Â¿

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acidfreeze:

man no one is helping in linuxtv

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iamlindoro:

acidfreeze: You need to be *way* more patient, this isn't on-demand help, sometimes you need to wait hours

[15:47:02]

iamlindoro:

Here we support mythtv. There they support tuner drivers.

[15:47:31]

m4xmyth:

hello ?

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sid3windr:

especially with chinese "hauge" replicas of tv cards :>

[15:48:22]

sid3windr:

m4xmyth: because it has a bad line?

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m4xmyth:

<sid3windr>: but i validated the xmltv file

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gbee:

wtf? The Wire is 4:3?

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sid3windr:

m4xmyth: with what?

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m4xmyth:

i validated the .xmltv file

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m4xmyth:

using tv_validate_file

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iamlindoro:

"sid3windr: m4xmyth: with what?"

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m4xmyth:

i ran tv_validate_file /root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv

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m4xmyth:

and it got validated correctly

[15:52:54]

m4xmyth:

Validated ok.

[15:53:01]

m4xmyth:

im wondering why

[15:53:05]

m4xmyth:

mythfilldatabase

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m4xmyth:

is telling me there is a bad line

[15:53:23]

m4xmyth:

i even copied over the XML thats at http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/XMLTVFormat

[15:53:41]

m4xmyth:

and pasted it to /root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmlt

[15:53:46]

m4xmyth:

/root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv

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m4xmyth:

and it still says me bad line

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** meshe senses bad charachters in the force **

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m4xmyth:

any idea?

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sphery:

m4xmyth: what's on lines 2 and 3

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sphery:

pastebin, please

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m4xmyth:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859–1"?>

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m4xmyth:

<!DOCTYPE tv SYSTEM "xmltv.dtd">

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m4xmyth:

ouch

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m4xmyth:

i just readed the pastebin stuff

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m4xmyth:

http://pastebin.com/m4d189993

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m4xmyth:

there is my xmltv file

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m4xmyth:

any ideas?

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m4xmyth:

009-03–31 09:40:17.519 XMLTV config file is: /root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv

[15:57:42]

m4xmyth:

/root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv:2: bad line

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m4xmyth:

ny idea why i get bad line when i run mythdatabasefill?

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m4xmyth:

weird

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m4xmyth:

no one knows

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sphery:

m4xmyth: we need lines 2 and 3 of your XMLTV /config/ file, not the XMLTV data--i.e. /root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv

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sphery:

you're looking at the wrong file

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sphery:

and tv_grab_whatever is telling you that your /config/ file is broken. It's not mythfilldatabase telling you that your data file is broken.

[16:01:28]

sphery:

and a little patience goes a /long/ way in IRC... :)

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m4xmyth:

i see

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m4xmyth:

well i use

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m4xmyth:

tv_grab_ar

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m4xmyth:

which config file you mean?

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m4xmyth:

/root/.xmltv/tv_grab_ar.conf ?

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sphery:

the one it's saying is bad... /root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv

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sid3windr:

lol

[16:02:57]

sphery:

the one it says has the bad line: /root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv:2: bad line

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m4xmyth:

i know but that file is okey

[16:03:01]

sid3windr:

I think he put the xmltv file as the config ;/

[16:03:06]

m4xmyth:

/root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv is okey

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sphery:

m4xmyth: obviously it is /not/ okay

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m4xmyth:

i placed

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sphery:

if it were, tv_grab_ar wouldn't complain

[16:03:30]

m4xmyth:

ttp://pastebin.com/m4d189993

[16:03:44]

m4xmyth:

http://pastebin.com/m4d189993

[16:04:02]

m4xmyth:

i placed the code you see there on pastebin on my /root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv

[16:04:02]

sphery:

again, that's the data file

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sphery:

that's not the ocnfig file

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m4xmyth:

yes

[16:04:07]

m4xmyth:

okey

[16:04:15]

m4xmyth:

so i need to copy the config file to /root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv ?

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sphery:

m4xmyth: /root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv

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sphery:

/root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv should /not/ be a data file with listings

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m4xmyth:

i need to /root/.xmltv/tv_grab_ar.conf /root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv ?

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sphery:

it is the config file that tells xmltv what channels to download listings for

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m4xmyth:

ah

[16:04:53]

m4xmyth:

okey

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sphery:

m4xmyth: yep

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m4xmyth:

so that might be

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m4xmyth:

but i already downloaded the listings

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m4xmyth:

manually

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m4xmyth:

i dont want mythfilldatabase to download them again

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sphery:

then turn off the setting in myth "Automatically run mythfilldatabase"

[16:06:52]

m4xmyth:

and where i should put my data xmltv file ?

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sphery:

m4xmyth: generally, you let mythfilldatabase download it

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m4xmyth:

okey

[16:07:24]

m4xmyth:

ill let mythfilldatabase to d/l it

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sphery:

m4xmyth: but, if this /one/ time you want to use the one you've already downloaded, look at mythfilldatabase --help

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m4xmyth:

:)

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sphery:

there's an option to specify an xmltv (data) file and another to specify a video source

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sphery:

you'll need to specify both

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sphery:

if you don't know the video source (as defined in Myth), then you can let mythfilldatabase download it and figure it all out for you

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m4xmyth:

my video source is named Argentina

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hybr1der:

okay i now know why i cant change resolution and why playback doesnt work but i dont know how to fix this

[16:09:04]

m4xmyth:

okey thxs guys :)

[16:09:09]

hybr1der:

theres some problem with my video drivers

[16:09:21]

hybr1der:

is there any way to check if they are working properly?

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m4xmyth:

mythfilldatabase is stopped at

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m4xmyth:

2009-03–31 10:08:01.731 XMLTV config file is: /root/.mythtv/Argentina.xmltv

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m4xmyth:

that means its downloading the listings?

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m4xmyth:

oh yea

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m4xmyth:

its :)

[16:16:18]

shadn_:

Has anybody tried to run myth on an Apple TV running linux?

[16:17:01]

shadn_:

apple tv price = interesting

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linagee:

if you modify a UserJob setting in the settings table, does it take effect immediately or do you have to restart mythbackend?

[16:18:17]

shadn_:

It would be neat if apple upgraded the apple tv the way they upgraded the mac mini

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clever:

damnit

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clever:

mythbackend started recording 18mins late

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linagee:

spank it

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linagee:

bad mythbackend

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clever:

i think i should blame the 10mbit HUB

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linagee:

clever: what's a hub? is that like a very crappy switch?

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linagee:

clever: :P

[16:19:58]

clever:

my switch failed after the power outage

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linagee:

clever: cheap switches have a very narrow voltage range

[16:20:25]

yunosh:

hi, if i want to tell mythtv that two channels from two different sources are the same, how do i do that? using the same xmltv id doesn't seem to work. do i have to assign them the same channel number?

[16:20:27]

clever:

its technicaly a linksys router

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linagee:

clever: i've fried a switch once plugging it into a 220V rack at a data center

[16:20:49]

clever:

it boots up and the right link LED's come on

[16:20:59]

clever:

but the diag LED is red, and then it shuts off after ~2 seconds

[16:21:00]

linagee:

but no passing of the packets? lol

[16:21:04]

clever:

then reboots and repeats

[16:21:12]

linagee:

clever: have you tried a dd-wrt flash?

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clever:

if its off 40% of the time, it wont work that well

[16:21:27]

linagee:

clever: try to flash it with dd-wrt

[16:21:33]

clever:

i dont think i have enough time to even flash it with dd-wrt

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linagee:

clever: here's how you can see if it's still recoverable

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linagee:

clever: have you tried to reset the switch to the defaults? (the reset button while poweron for 30 seconds)

[16:22:10]

linagee:

or maybe even 45 seconds. longer is better

[16:22:14]

clever:

yes i held the reset button for a while

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linagee:

clever: ok, try setting your computer to 100mbp (not auto detect) and set a static IP to the same subnet as the default subnet on the switch. (it might be 192.168.1, set your IP to 192.168.1.2)

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linagee:

clever: start a ping to 192.168.1.1 then power on the switch

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linagee:

clever: if you get packets with TTL=100, you can reflash it with dd-wrt

[16:23:12]

clever:

i changed it to a 10.0.0.x range

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linagee:

clever: if you reset the switch, i would try the above with both subnets then

[16:23:36]

clever:

and the dhcp server in the linksys went tits up months ago, so i have one in a seperate system now

[16:23:52]

clever:

reseting didnt fix it

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linagee:

clever: no. connect directly to the switdch

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linagee:

clever: very important. and very important to force your nic to 100mbps. don't disregard anything i just said.

[16:24:08]

clever:

i would need to find a free ethernet port

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linagee:

clever: unplug everything off of it

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clever:

i did

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clever:

but theres no computers with free ethernet ports

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linagee:

clever: and only have one cable going to it. with a static 100mbps setting and a static IP

[16:24:44]

clever:

but theres no computers with free ethernet ports

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linagee:

clever: the reason those need to be static is that the time you have to flash when it boots is very very small. you should get like one or two pings with TTL=100

[16:25:39]

linagee:

clever: unplug ethernet cable from computer

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linagee:

easy

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clever:

then it will lock up

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clever:

nfsroot!

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linagee:

wtf?

[16:25:59]

linagee:

find a computer with no nfsroot then. :P

[16:25:59]

clever:

my / is stored on nfs

[16:26:12]

clever:

the only system without nfsroot is the nfs server:P

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linagee:

clever: you're running nfsroot over 10mbps? LOL

[16:26:17]

clever:

and the misc servers

[16:26:21]

clever:

yes

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linagee:

clever: get a laptop

[16:26:28]

clever:

2 systems with nfsroot to a single server

[16:26:34]

clever:

thr u 1 hub

[16:26:43]

clever:

the laptop im using right now is nfsroot! :P

[16:26:54]

linagee:

clever: i would shut down the server. i seriously would. running nfsroot over a 10mbps hub is silly

[16:27:07]

clever:

its fairly stale and only a tad laggy

[16:27:09]

linagee:

clever: start irc back on the server as well. :P

[16:27:15]

linagee:

(irc client)

[16:27:17]

clever:

irc is running on the server

[16:27:26]

clever:

im remotely accessing it from the laptop

[16:27:27]

linagee:

clever: and the server has more than one nic?

[16:27:35]

clever:

the server has 1 nic

[16:27:41]

linagee:

that's no server

[16:27:48]

clever:

its a nfs server

[16:27:57]

clever:

the gateway is the only system using 2 nicks

[16:27:58]

linagee:

:P i meant how can you call it a server with one nic. :P

[16:28:19]

clever:

holding the reset button on the linksys doesnt appear to do anything

[16:28:29]

linagee:

clever: before it boots

[16:28:38]

linagee:

then while holding the reset button, apply power

[16:28:49]

linagee:

you'll see the lights do their thing as it resets everything to defaults

[16:29:07]

linagee:

clever: how can you have one nic on the server? i don't get it. where does your internet come from?

[16:29:08]

clever:

its still doing the same thing as before

[16:29:20]

clever:

wan diag is red and wan link is blinking

[16:29:37]

clever:

the gateway system has 2 nic's and handles the NAT for the whole network

[16:29:46]

clever:

but doesnt have many services and little disk space

[16:30:03]

linagee:

why are you running all your computers nfsroot?

[16:30:25]

iamlindoro:

hang around, you'll learn to stop asking him why

[16:30:28]

clever:

its handy to have identical config on every laptop and half the desktops

[16:30:42]

iamlindoro:

whatever the most jacked up scheme you can think of is, that's generally what clever is doing

[16:30:49]

linagee:

iamlindoro: if i only had 100mbps and i'm dealing with desktops not actual servers, i would never do nfsroot. lol

[16:31:01]

clever:

it was running over 100mbit

[16:31:22]

linagee:

clever: 100mbit sucks for nfsroot. you need gig at least. and even then i wouldn't do nfsroot

[16:31:27]

meshe:

talk about your single point of failure

[16:31:47]

clever:

i routed most of the house arround the failure at 100mbit

[16:31:49]

linagee:

clever: store a small linux dist on each computer. have the option through grub of booting to single user mode or nfsroot. that's a much better thing. :P

[16:31:54]

clever:

but theres 2 systems in this room and no more long cords

[16:32:11]

clever:

linagee: i did something similar to that on my dads desktop which cant netboot

[16:32:14]

meshe:

what happens if your nfs server's mobo dies?

[16:32:21]

clever:

its got a tiny /boot/ partition with grub and the kernel

[16:32:32]

linagee:

meshe: then it switches to the backup network and backup server of course! :)

[16:32:35]

clever:

meshe: i move the hdd to the winblows server and its fixed

[16:32:36]

iamlindoro:

meshe: We likely get a few days peace from clever

[16:32:45]

meshe:

lol

[16:33:00]

linagee:

clever: you don't have windows on any of your machines? or an actual linux install with no nfsroot?

[16:33:04]

meshe:

single hdd on the nfs server?

[16:33:19]

clever:

meshe: 4, lvm'ed together

[16:33:25]

linagee:

clever: yuck

[16:33:28]

meshe:

lvm? ouch

[16:33:32]

clever:

linagee: the laptop(d600) has ubuntu, winxp, and gentoo, and can netboot

[16:33:40]

linagee:

clever: if i had 4 hard drives i would at least raid 5 them

[16:33:40]

meshe:

still a big single point of failure

[16:33:52]

linagee:

clever: wait wait wait. what?

[16:33:59]

linagee:

clever: ok, go to winxp in the laptop then. :P

[16:34:13]

clever:

linagee: i would prefer the gentoo or ubuntu fs:P

[16:34:17]

linagee:

clever: no

[16:34:34]

clever:

?

[16:34:34]

linagee:

clever: how do you force 100mbps in gentoo or ubuntu? you can, but it's trickier.

[16:34:36]

** meshe shakes her head and leaves the conversation **

[16:34:49]

meshe:

mii-tool?

[16:34:59]

clever:

thats what i was trying to remember!

[16:35:00]

linagee:

meshe: bah. stop giving suggestions like that. :P

[16:35:21]

linagee:

meshe: i love windows as a user interface OS and linux doing the actual work

[16:35:47]

meshe:

lol, windows as a user interface

[16:35:56]

linagee:

if you manage to find a way using mii-tool, i suppose so. but i wouldn't be able to help you get there

[16:36:11]

clever:

recently ive been having trouble even getting windows to boot, my video board is screwing up

[16:36:18]

linagee:

clever: wtf?

[16:36:20]

clever:

any graphical mode causes the system to freeze up

[16:36:25]

linagee:

clever: throw away all your hardware then

[16:36:28]

clever:

thats a diff laptop

[16:36:32]

clever:

with a vdpau capable card

[16:36:44]

meshe:

sorry, if i can just get my last game that i play working in linux i won't need windows at home anymore

[16:37:11]

clever:

im only using windows for the pile of services i wrote in mirc script

[16:37:47]

linagee:

clever: are you booted in windows yet? or do you have a thorough understanding of how to use mii-tool to force your adapter into 100mbp full duplex mode? :P

[16:38:07]

clever:

linagee: if i was to reboot into windows then i wouldnt be able to access irc for several minutes

[16:38:22]

linagee:

clever: you aren't using a screen session on your server?

[16:38:33]

clever:

i am, but i cant access it when rebooting:P

[16:38:33]

linagee:

clever: putty back into your server and restart the screen session

[16:38:51]

linagee:

clever: so do it then. :P

[16:39:08]

clever:

and dad doesnt want me reflashing the router because we tchnicaly dont own it

[16:39:16]

sphery:

Wow... Heavily niced processes still have a /large/ effect on not-niced process performance... Compiling a large program (like Myth) on my Athlon X2 5200+ without BOINC running is almost 2x as fast as compiling it on my Athlon X2 6000+ with BOINC running. And here I thought the niced process would just step out of the way for a while.

[16:39:18]

meshe:

linagee: glutton for punishment?

[16:39:35]

linagee:

clever: LOL. in that case have your dad shell out more cash and just buy yourself another working 100mbps switch.

[16:39:40]

clever:

sphery: nice doesnt affect io load

[16:40:02]

sphery:

yeah, don't seem to be I/O bound, though

[16:40:06]

linagee:

clever: what you said doesn't make sense btw. you've already reflashed it through a power outage/overage.

[16:40:17]

clever:

linagee: ive got several free ports on the 12port cisco switch

[16:40:17]

clever:

but its in the wrong room

[16:40:19]

clever:

sphery: its hard to see the iowait state when its reniced

[16:40:35]

clever:

the low prio(boinc) will run durring the iowait time

[16:40:48]

linagee:

clever: how old are you btw?

[16:40:49]

clever:

linagee: how?

[16:40:53]

clever:

22

[16:41:41]

linagee:

clever: does dd-wrt even work on your brand of router? i was only trying to get you to confirm that it's still alive

[16:42:03]

clever:

befsr41 ver. 2

[16:42:15]

linagee:

and does dd-wrt work on that

[16:43:22]

clever:

but how could the power outage have 'reflashed' it?

[16:43:30]

linagee:

clever: ......

[16:43:46]

linagee:

clever: eeproms are suseptable to overvoltage, overtemperature, etc.

[16:43:57]

linagee:

slayven: even on bit in the wrong place could cause it not to boot

[16:44:01]

linagee:

clever rather

[16:44:21]

clever:

only 1 chip feels odddly hot

[16:44:21]

clever:

and it doesnt look like the eeprom

[16:45:17]

clever:

the eeprom is clearly the one with a version sticker on it(firmware version)

[16:45:36]

** meshe notes that heat is the best way to determine that the data is wrong on a chip **

[16:45:44]

linagee:

clever: the steps i mentioned are easy and trivial yet they seem to be ignored.

[16:45:58]

clever:

let me go try it

[16:46:36]

meshe:

my cpu that was running at 80C must have had lots of wrong data

[16:47:37]

linagee:

meshe: i can see your sarcasm

[16:48:05]

linagee:

a simple ping test on boot is the easiest way to see if a router is trash or not.

[16:48:25]

linagee:

because it has some sort of non-flashable part where it still responds to pings in most routers.

[16:48:42]

linagee:

(pings for the first 0.5 seconds or so of bootup)

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linagee:

can someone help me with my actual mythtv problems?

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linagee:

i come in here and end up solving other people's problems and yet mine remain. :(

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clever:

i wind up doing that often

[16:50:37]

clever:

what was your problem?

[16:50:50]

linagee:

I've already stated it, but let me restate it

[16:50:57]

linagee:

here's a mysql dump of the relavent section

[16:51:01]

linagee:

| UserJob1 | VIDEOFILE="%TITLE%-%SUBTITLE%-%STARTTIME%"; VIDEOFILE=$(echo $VIDEOFILE | tr -cd 0–9A-Za-z-); mencoder -ovc lavc -oac mp3lame -lavcopts vcodec=wmv2:vbitrate=300:acodec=mp3:abitrate=96 -vf scale=320:240 -o "/mnt/store/replicate/$VIDEOFILE.avi" "%DIR%/%FILE%" && rm -f "%DIR%/%FILE%" && touch "%DIR%/%FILE%" | NULL |

[16:51:12]

clever:

ahh yes about updating that

[16:51:14]

hybr1der:

has anyone here managed to do playback with ati drivers in use?

[16:51:21]

linagee:

i just added the / between DIR and FILE

[16:51:23]

clever:

it may be cached in the backend, restart it if things dont work right

[16:51:35]

linagee:

here is mythbackend: File not found: '/mnt/store1016_20090331083000.mpg'

[16:51:47]

linagee:

(missing a slash between store and the filename)

[16:51:53]

paco_:

what is recomend settings and player for wath blu-ray and hd-dvd?

[16:52:16]

wagnerrp:

paco_: there are none, there is no bluray/hddvd playback

[16:52:16]

clever:

linagee: you can also try starting and then existing mythtv-setup

[16:52:24]

linagee:

clever: fsck mythtv-setup

[16:52:27]

clever:

it sends out a command to flush all the setting caches

[16:52:45]

** linagee restarts mythbackend. and then i'll have to run another test show. argh. **

[16:52:48]

linagee:

in 8 minutes

[16:52:57]

clever:

Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 192.168.1.1, timeout is 2 seconds:

[16:52:57]

clever:

Success rate is 0 percent (0/5)

[16:52:59]

sphery:

linagee: yeah, it makes /so/ much more sense to hack the data in the database directly and put in the wrong data

[16:53:13]

linagee:

sphery: ?!!?!??!?!

[16:53:15]

linagee:

sphery: don't you say that

[16:53:21]

linagee:

sphery: this was working in the past versions.

[16:53:23]

clever:

--clearcache Clear the settings cache on all myth servers

[16:53:28]

clever:

linagee: mythbackend --clearcache

[16:53:32]

linagee:

sphery: someone changed something in code. :P

[16:53:49]

linagee:

sphery: i'm guessing DIR used to include a trailing / and now it doesn't

[16:54:02]

linagee:

sphery: this worked perfectly before. :(

[16:54:05]

sphery:

Oh, I thought you were saying that mythtv-setup wasn't worth using and that you'd just write data to the DB directly

[16:54:08]

clever:

that would be whatever path you put in the storage group config

[16:54:26]

sphery:

linagee: is this trunk?

[16:54:28]

linagee:

sphery: that is half true. i don't have the ability to run X on this

[16:54:41]

sphery:

well, that's what redirect is for...

[16:54:49]

yunosh:

if i want to tell mythtv that two channels from two different sources are the same, how do i do that? using the same xmltv id doesn't seem to work. do i have to assign them the same channel number?

[16:54:50]

wagnerrp:

if you have mythtv installed, you can run X

[16:55:03]

linagee:

wagnerrp: headless box

[16:55:16]

wagnerrp:

myth wont compile/run unless you have the libraries needed for X redirection

[16:55:18]

meshe:

ssh -Y mybackendserver mythtv-setup

[16:55:20]

sphery:

linagee: if it's trunk, the Storage Groups are written such that /all/ directories must end with a slash (and in -fixes mythtv-setup enforces that)...

[16:55:44]

sphery:

linagee: all my myth backends are headless, but I still do X redirect with ssh -Y

[16:55:46]

linagee:

sphery: hrm. i don't know what a trunk is

[16:55:49]

clever:

linagee: i dont remember what ip the linksys was set for and it doesnt respond to 192.168.1.1, and it doesnt seem to be reacting to the reset button at all

[16:55:50]

paco_:

what can i do then for watch blu-ray? using mplayer?

[16:55:56]

sphery:

linagee: so you're using 0.21-fixes?

[16:56:09]

wagnerrp:

paco_: buy a standalone player, or install windows

[16:56:11]

linagee:

clever: try looking in the user guide. or a label on the router. it might say the default IP.

[16:56:20]

paco_:

Y_Y

[16:56:23]

linagee:

clever: did you change your NIC settings to 100mbps and your IP to a static one?

[16:56:24]

clever:

linagee: the default was 192.168.1.1

[16:56:38]

sphery:

linagee: anyway, if you hacked the DB directly and put dirs in the storagegroup table, you probably didn't enforce the constraints that mythtv-setup does... I.e. that /all/ dirs *must* end with slash

[16:56:39]

wagnerrp:

linux has no ability to play blu-ray or hddvd at the current time

[16:56:43]

clever:

i know the linksys was .1.0 and the dlink was .0.1

[16:56:45]

linagee:

clever: did you start your ping first then power it up?

[16:56:59]

paco_:

kk

[16:57:07]

wagnerrp:

you *can* rip the disk image, decrypt the data, and then play it using players on linux

[16:57:08]

sphery:

which gets back to the whole reason why mythtv-setup is /always/ better than hacking the DB data directly

[16:57:11]

clever:

linagee: i started the ping after powering it up

[16:57:20]

linagee:

clever: wrong then

[16:57:22]

clever:

it appears to be rebooting on its own

[16:57:29]

linagee:

clever: start ping first, THEN power it up

[16:57:48]

wagnerrp:

however the blu-ray (specifically BD+) cannot be reliably decoded in anything buy anydvd hd

[16:57:51]

linagee:

clever: as i've said before, you'll only see a response for the first 0.5 seconds or so of bootup

[16:57:56]

wagnerrp:

which is a windows only program

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clever:

the ping times out after ~10 seconds and stops

[16:58:07]

wagnerrp:

the best you can do is run it under vmware on your linux machine

[16:58:13]

linagee:

clever: ???

[16:58:17]

linagee:

clever: are you using windows?

[16:58:18]

clever:

and the router is in a different floor

[16:58:23]

clever:

linagee: IOS

[16:58:30]

linagee:

clever: IOS?

[16:58:37]

wagnerrp:

internet operating system

[16:58:37]

clever:

cisco OS on the switch...

[16:58:40]

wagnerrp:

cisco's OS

[16:58:42]

linagee:

clever: thers should be a way to run a constant ping

[16:58:57]

clever:

i checked the ? command and dont think there is one

[16:58:59]

linagee:

clever: *then* power it up

[16:59:11]

linagee:

clever: then use something else that's better than a crappy IOS

[16:59:17]

linagee:

clever: i've already said to use winXP

[16:59:53]

clever:

hold on while i reboot things then

[17:00:21]

wagnerrp:

linagee: i dont think winxp would run on a cisco router

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wagnerrp:

presuming clever has some strange explanation why he cant just use another machine on the network

[17:01:19]

linagee:

wagnerrp: ha ha ha

[17:01:35]

linagee:

wagnerrp: strange defines clever's setup

[17:01:35]

clever:

im using most of them allready, need to reboot one

[17:01:47]

linagee:

clever: i thought you were rebooting to winxp

[17:01:55]

clever:

i had to close a few app's first

[17:02:11]

clever:

i have 4 screen -x's open

[17:02:28]

clever:

and ssh/xterm are laggy with nfs over 10mbit

[17:02:48]

clever:

even bash sometimes

[17:02:55]

linagee:

there's probably like a million collisions per second happening on that hub

[17:03:12]

clever:

yeah

[17:03:33]

clever:

the master backend is trying to stream several recordings out for transcode/flag

[17:03:41]

clever:

RX packets:2102015 errors:16457 dropped:222 overruns:0 frame:126

[17:03:41]

clever:

TX packets:1643097 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0

[17:04:00]

clever:

RX bytes:2451932860 (2.2 GB) TX bytes:853715073 (814.1 MB)

[17:04:16]

clever:

rebooting now

[17:04:37]

linagee:

receive errors, 16,000. dropped, 222. that is the suck of a hub

[17:04:59]

iamlindoro:

clever: god damn it, how many YEARS will I have to endure you before you stop pasting whatever crap is wrong with your PC into this channel?

[17:05:15]

linagee:

iamlindoro: years? :(

[17:05:46]

wagnerrp:

why are you using 10mbit network?

[17:05:59]

linagee:

wagnerrp: he broke his router. or not. it may or may not be broke.

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linagee:

wagnerrp: router/switch i would suspect

[17:06:22]

wagnerrp:

and he hasnt thrown away his old 10mbit hubs?

[17:06:28]

linagee:

wagnerrp: really

[17:06:34]

iamlindoro:

Oh come ON

[17:06:39]

linagee:

or ebayed them off

[17:06:40]

iamlindoro:

he's been in this channel for nearly two years now

[17:06:46]

iamlindoro:

in which time he has NEVER had a job

[17:06:52]

linagee:

iamlindoro: ?!?!? no

[17:06:53]

iamlindoro:

and can count his showers on one hand

[17:06:58]

linagee:

hahahaha

[17:07:06]

iamlindoro:

And admits this proudly

[17:07:11]

linagee:

NO

[17:07:15]

iamlindoro:

so NO, he hasn't gotten rid of his 10 Mbit switch yet

[17:07:16]

linagee:

is that human

[17:07:26]

linagee:

iamlindoro: and still lives with his parents it seems

[17:07:31]

iamlindoro:

linagee: He is distinctly (annoying and) subhuman

[17:07:43]

wagnerrp:

i didnt think they made 10mbit switches

[17:07:45]

iamlindoro:

yes, even though he is a grown man, he lives off the goodwill of his poor father

[17:07:58]

linagee:

wagnerrp: 10mbit hub. worse.

[17:07:59]

iamlindoro:

E_NEEDSMILITARYSERVICE

[17:08:12]

kormoc:

and works his father to death to keep buying him equipment so he can laze about in filth

[17:08:20]

kormoc:

ell'

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kormoc:

s yeah! HE's in the army now!

[17:09:00]

linagee:

he should gjoin and go fight in iraq or whereever the president says to die.

[17:09:07]

linagee:

ack lag

[17:09:13]

kormoc:

he's a Canadian

[17:09:22]

linagee:

prime minister then

[17:09:38]

iamlindoro:

Exactly, discipline and low low liklihood of being forced to kill anyone

[17:09:44]

gbee:

no, you were right first time, whereever the US president says ;)

[17:09:55]

kormoc:

harsh

[17:10:03]

linagee:

gbee: LOL. really? are they at the order of our president now?

[17:10:04]

meshe:

sadly true atm

[17:10:04]

iamlindoro:

What in the deuce is spotify?

[17:10:29]

meshe:

we were at least while Bush was pres

[17:10:31]

iamlindoro:

Ugh, like a boxee for music, it appears, and "invitation only"

[17:10:36]

meshe:

Harper was his little tag along

[17:10:43]

kormoc:

It's kinda funny/sad that I enter into the room and they're talking bout someone without a job and doesn't shower and I know exactly who it is

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linagee:

kormoc: have you met him in person or something? or does he constantly just bring up that he doesn't shower?

[17:11:27]

iamlindoro:

the latter

[17:11:45]

iamlindoro:

also mentions how "it been weeks since I brushed my teeth," etc.

[17:11:52]

gbee:

linagee: have you not noticed that we all are? It's an unfortunate situation and breeds a lot of resentment, but a lot of nations are at the beck and call of the US

[17:11:52]

meshe:

O.O

[17:12:01]

gbee:

_anyway_ ...

[17:12:04]

linagee:

iamlindoro: thats sort of sick that he can shower for free in his fathers house yet he doesn't. lol

[17:12:07]

kormoc:

HE thinks other 'hackers' will think more highly of him if he's the stereotypical

[17:13:17]

linagee:

what is a hacker? is that someone wielding an axe? lol

[17:13:22]

gbee:

I really ought to replace my 10/100 router with a gigabit one, but it seems like I only bought it the other day :/

[17:13:54]

kormoc:

linagee, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(programmer_subculture)

[17:13:57]

linagee:

gbee: you can get some awesome deals on ebay. like $400 or so for a 24 or 48 port gigabit level 3 awesomeness.

[17:14:07]

meshe:

i started to go gig then realized that only one system has gig in it

[17:14:27]

wagnerrp:

lineage: you can buy a 24-port one for that price retail

[17:14:34]

kormoc:

meshe, it still helps that box serve multiple clients at once

[17:14:35]

gbee:

linagee: heh, I'm not Clever, I don't need server/business level kit ;)

[17:14:53]

linagee:

gbee: with the level 3 awesomeness, you can even do channel bonding. (like you'd need to with gigabit)

[17:15:00]

linagee:

and switch trunking

[17:15:02]

iamlindoro:

server level kit from the early 90s

[17:15:13]

meshe:

kormoc: that one is just my husbands gaming machine, i'll get to upgrading the mobos or adding network cards soon

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gbee:

in fact I've made a determined effort to reduce the amount of kit and consolidate, a 4/5 port gig switch would be just fine

[17:15:56]

meshe:

probably starting with my backend as it doubles as a fileserver

[17:16:15]

linagee:

gbee: unless you're trying to set up a beowulf in your basement or invite tons of friends over with their computers

[17:16:21]

linagee:

:->

[17:16:22]

wagnerrp:

linagee: you have to be careful with that channel bonding

[17:16:28]

linagee:

wagnerrp: >

[17:16:29]

linagee:

?

[17:16:32]

clever:

linagee: back

[17:17:01]

wagnerrp:

we bought a 48-port linksys with '802.3ad' support, with the intention we would give our primary file server 4–8gbps of bandwidth

[17:17:16]

wagnerrp:

a couple days screwing with it, couldnt get it to work

[17:17:28]

wagnerrp:

not linksys, netgear

[17:17:31]

gbee:

in the past I was known to haul a ton of gear to the odd lan party, but I'm long past that :)

[17:17:46]

linagee:

wagnerrp: wow really. netgear was the very brand i was talking about. yikes/oww.

[17:17:51]

linagee:

wagnerrp: something wrong in your config?

[17:17:56]

wagnerrp:

finally got in touch with netgear support to find out it was in fact NOT 802.3ad compliant, and only works between other netgear equipment

[17:18:12]

meshe:

our datacenter is all set up with redundant cisco swithes and the servers are all bonded to 2 switches

[17:18:22]

kormoc:

I personally swapped out a ton of netgear gig switches to procurve ones cause the netgears were crap

[17:18:58]

wagnerrp:

weve got a ton of netgear switches, and a handful of linksys ones, dumb 24-port gigabit

[17:19:00]

linagee:

wagnerrp: i've been eyeing a switch like this for quite some time. are you saying it sucks? http://cgi.ebay.com/NETGEAR-PROSAFE-48-PORT-G . . . 1|240%3A1318

[17:19:03]

clever:

linagee: 100mbit full, no flow control

[17:19:05]

wagnerrp:

the linksys ones run just fine

[17:19:08]

linagee:

sorry for the long url

[17:19:19]

wagnerrp:

the netgear ones... just occasionally get wonky

[17:19:25]

linagee:

wonky?

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gbee:

realised the other day that all my NICs (onboard) are now gig, seems silly to throttle that back to 100 because of the switch, especially when I'm waiting for 20Gb HD recordings to transfer between boxes

[17:19:29]

clever:

static ip of .2.1

[17:19:30]

wagnerrp:

one starts acting up, and the it just spreads through the network

[17:20:03]

wagnerrp:

no data transfer, and all 24 activity lights on all 30 or so switches blinking in unison

[17:20:03]

kormoc:

linagee, you get what you pay for...

[17:20:26]

jams:

kormoc- agreed the procurve switches are pretty good. Right behind or on par with cisco.

[17:20:32]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: hehe yeah I realized that myself at xmas

[17:20:41]

wagnerrp:

linagee: exact one we bought

[17:20:43]

GreyFoxx:

still haven't replaced my trusty old switches yet

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linagee:

wagnerrp: no. :( lol. luckily i hadn't bought it.

[17:21:03]

clever:

linagee: nothing

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kormoc:

jams, and at 1/2–1/4 the price... I'm a huge fan

[17:21:14]

clever:

linagee: cant ping .1.1

[17:21:27]

clever:

Hardware error.

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clever:

Request timed out.

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linagee:

clever: you tried 192.168.0.2 -> 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.2 -> 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.2.2 -> 192.168.2.1

[17:21:52]

kormoc:

oh noes, you summoned him!

[17:21:55]

clever:

i know for a fact that this thing uses .1.1

[17:21:55]

linagee:

clever: all three subnets? in static IP? and 100mbps full duplex forced, not auto detect? and rebooting it?

[17:22:02]

jams:

have two of them here. They don't fit in the wiring cabinet like the smaller netgears did, but worth it.

[17:22:11]

clever:

windows keeps telling me that the cord is being connected and unplugged

[17:22:16]

wagnerrp:

are you just trying to make busywork for him?

[17:22:17]

linagee:

clever: hahahahha.

[17:22:26]

linagee:

clever: sounds like you don't have 100mbps full set

[17:22:32]

clever:

it is

[17:22:44]

linagee:

clever: it's not on auto detect?

[17:22:46]

clever:

flow contro, disabled

[17:22:54]

clever:

speed&duplex 100mb full

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linagee:

clever: and the ip in windows?

[17:23:07]

clever:

192.168.1.2

[17:23:20]

linagee:

and you did ping 192.168.1.1 -t

[17:23:25]

clever:

yes

[17:23:31]

linagee:

clever: then powered it up?

[17:23:34]

clever:

yes

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kormoc:

you know, you two really should go to a different channel... it's not really worthwhile for the rest of us to watch/hear this

[17:23:43]

clever:

pluged it in several times and nothing worked each time

[17:23:48]

linagee:

clever: try the other two subnets above. then trash it if those don't respond.

[17:24:12]

linagee:

kormoc: agreed. sorry.

[17:24:17]

clever:

does the default firmware use the serial port at all?

[17:24:17]

justinh:

/join #linagee+clever_techtalk

[17:24:24]

linagee:

haahhahaha. :(

[17:24:27]

linagee:

justinh: please no

[17:25:09]

justinh:

iamlindoro: I was thinking about doing a 3D UI demo for tomorrow

[17:25:36]

justinh:

give it integrated netflix, hulu & BBC iPlayer support too :D

[17:25:43]

iamlindoro:

justinh: What's tomorrow?

[17:25:49]

linagee:

someone come out with 3D tv. then get mythtv to be able to record it. :)

[17:25:49]

justinh:

April 1

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iamlindoro:

justinh: HAHAHA

[17:26:01]

linagee:

justinh: so was that a joke? :)

[17:26:07]

linagee:

pre-april fools?

[17:26:13]

justinh:

oh and it'd be shown to run on windows

[17:26:33]

justinh:

I did actually consider a ruse but it might be seen as counterintuitive

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linagee:

wagnerrp: thanks for the warning on that switch. you should post a review to some sites about your experiences.

[17:27:12]

linagee:

review/warning

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wagnerrp:

the fact that its a cheap netgear isnt warning enough?

[17:28:16]

justinh:

heh my first wireless router was a netgear

[17:28:23]

justinh:

it went back to the shop within 3 days

[17:28:30]

wagnerrp:

purchased by home users with no need for trunking, and university computer cluster builders with no real predefined budget

[17:29:15]

linagee:

wagnerrp: i think you got that wrong. university computer cluster builders that are sadly disappointed i think you mean.

[17:29:23]

justinh:

wireless coverage was a lot better than my linksys I've got now but the wan side just kept falling over

[17:29:59]

wagnerrp:

linagee: all except for the fact that if we actually TRY to trunk our file server, the large bandwidth usage causes the machine to panic

[17:30:18]

linagee:

wagnerrp: huh???

[17:30:35]

linagee:

wagnerrp: maybe there's no fan and it's just overheating?

[17:30:41]

wagnerrp:

we actually shelled out some decent money for that

[17:30:42]

gbee:

not going to dispute the wisdom of those who actually deal with the gear on a daily basis, but as a home user I've had no complaints with Netgear and for that reason they've been my first choice for all networking related purchases over the years

[17:30:59]

wagnerrp:

supermicro board, with two C2D Xeons, and 16GB of memory

[17:31:13]

wagnerrp:

and its unstable when you put it under any sort of disk load

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linagee:

wagnerrp: so it's your server, not the switch?

[17:31:29]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, update the bios

[17:31:30]

wagnerrp:

rather, disk load is just fine, its NFS load

[17:31:51]

wagnerrp:

no, the switch is fubar'd too

[17:31:57]

kormoc:

it's amazing how many issues a bios update fixes...

[17:32:15]

linagee:

kormoc: it's amazing how hard it is to get managers to approve downtime for bios upgrades

[17:32:19]

linagee:

:(

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sphery:

Only time I've ever had any issues with my networking gear of choice (whatever I can get for the least money) is when lightning took out my cable modem, which took out the NIC on my PC router, which sent the surge through the network to my switch, which blew up...

[17:32:27]

justinh:

maybe the fault was my ISP but it was funny how the DNS problems went away when I put the wired linksys router back in

[17:32:33]

sphery:

but I can't blame the manufacturer for that one.

[17:32:37]

justinh:

heheh

[17:32:42]

kormoc:

linagee, not when you have redundant servers with failover...

[17:32:44]

wagnerrp:

yeah... but that downtime occurs any time im not careful setting up a big compute job

[17:32:47]

justinh:

well you could.. but it'd be a shade tenuous :P

[17:32:49]

kormoc:

linagee, they'll never know...

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wagnerrp:

300 machines, all polling that file server for data

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linagee:

kormoc: hahaha. they'll never know except the uptime logs, the server ping monitors, etc.

[17:33:50]

gbee:

"From: Myth TV <mythtvmythtv@gmail.com >" << Hmm, isn't posting as 'MythTV' a banning offence

[17:33:56]

wagnerrp:

uptime logs? server ping monitors?

[17:33:58]

kormoc:

Why would managers care if the clients never notice

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kormoc:

gbee, please?

[17:34:05]

wagnerrp:

the only thing like that that exists is because i put it there

[17:34:09]

linagee:

kormoc: oh add onto that, why would i care to risk my job to reboot servers and upgrade bioses if they don't care to do it

[17:34:12]

wagnerrp:

the server is offline anyway

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gbee:

kormoc: post to the dev list, actually intended that for the dev channel

[17:34:40]

wagnerrp:

so the only clients are the people behind the divider wall

[17:35:13]

kormoc:

linagee, if you're 'risking' your job to do a system update to increase reliability, then you sir work at a epic horrible place

[17:35:16]

wagnerrp:

if you break it, you just send an email to half a dozen people telling them to come in and check on jobs they were running

[17:35:24]

linagee:

kormoc: ah not to mention it would be a rather large problem to upgrade all of our servers. around 300 of them. lol

[17:35:27]

clever:

i was going to move some hardware arround durring the 'outage' caused by the power loss

[17:35:40]

linagee:

kormoc: agreed. i'm not an SA there either. just an SE.

[17:35:42]

clever:

but i couldnt reach the phone line cord

[17:36:11]

linagee:

kormoc: just the janitor mopping up messes basically. no real clout to suggest that we upgrade the bioses everywhere to prevent the environment from exploding.

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cityLights1:

hi all , in case I got a directory with lots of .nuv files – how an I iport them to mythtv?

[17:37:19]

linagee:

kormoc: it's funny too. every time we call into HP for a problem they're like, "do you have the latest bios? sir, i see by this dump that you don't have the latest bios. we require that you upgrade before we swap the memory/cpu/hard drive/etc."

[17:37:59]

cityLights1:

on the other hand I got two items showing in my recorded shows, that dont play – probably as they dont exist, how can I remove them?

[17:38:24]

linagee:

cityLights1: modify the database. oh but that's not recommended. :)

[17:38:34]

gbee:

cityLights1: err, delete?

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sphery:

cityLights1: myth.rebuild_database.pl for 1

[17:38:53]

sphery:

cityLights1: delete them using mythfrontend's Watch Recordings (or Delete Recordings) screen for 2

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gbee:

Menu > Delete or just press 'D'

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sphery:

no DB mods required

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linagee:

bah. n/m then

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sphery:

note that you can't use MythWeb to delete nonexistant recordings

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cityLights1:

locate myth.rebuild_database.pl gives nothing...

[17:40:41]

sphery:

myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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sphery:

how am I supposed to remember what cryptic non-symmetrical name someone gave it?

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cityLights1:

thnaks sphery

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cityLights1:

it doesnt't work sphery : http://rafb.net/p/iZ44oM33.html

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kormoc:

cityLights1, so install the required perl modules...

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cityLights1:

sorry I dont use perl, ok, what do I seek to do now...

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thedarkone:

are Hauppauge WinTV PVR-250 any good?

[17:44:12]

kormoc:

"Can't locate Date/Parse.pm" says you need to install Date Parse, google for your distro plus perl plus that and you should find a way to do so

[17:44:25]

kormoc:

rinse and repeat for each other missing file

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linagee:

cpan then install Date::Parse.pm (or use your package manager)

[17:44:53]

linagee:

err, remove .pm

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: think its worth suggesting the alternative perl version of mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Heh. I blame gbee for this, MythUI has made it too easy/flexible to hide that you're actually running myth ;)

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cityLights1:

kormoc: thansk

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wagnerrp:

taking that as the reason for the 'mythtvmythtv@gmail' address? they actually do have something put together, and dont want someone to find out, lest their work be for naught?

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wagnerrp:

s/taking/thinking/

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Dibblah:

Personally, I would doubt they do.

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cityLights1:

kormoc: I think I allready got it installed:

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cityLights1:

/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/HTML/Parse.pm

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kormoc:

that's HTML Parse not Date Parse....

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cityLights1:

how to tell perl to use that path to fetch that file?

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cityLights1:

ok, thanks

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kormoc:

I can tell via the HTML where the Date should be

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cityLights1:

is that : DateManip-5.44 Description: A date and time object

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linagee:

cityLights1: it's probably called perl-TimeDate

[17:59:20]

linagee:

this is why packages are stupid and cpan is awesome

[17:59:38]

linagee:

cpan will always be the same name as the directory/file. with packages it's a mixed bag.

[17:59:42]

linagee:

:)

[18:00:51]

linagee:

http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php? . . . %3A%3AParse)

[18:01:28]

linagee:

errr. if you're using rpm.

[18:01:28]

cityLights1:

dev-perl/DateTime is installed

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linagee:

cityLights1: use cpan. screw package managers

[18:02:22]

linagee:

lots of people in here would probably say that's a bad thing though

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cityLights1:

its dev-perl/TimeDate not dev-perl/DateTime in gentoo – i think -testing now

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linagee:

gentoo, yuck. :P

[18:05:23]

linagee:

:)

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linagee:

if you made your own CPU or your own architecture i could see gentoo as being perfect. otherwise, what's wrong with using prebuilt binaries? :P

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cityLights1:

Can't locate Time/Format.pm now...

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cityLights1:

kormoc: any idea what package does ths beong to?

[18:09:57]

cityLights1:

belong

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kormoc:

cityLights1, Time::Format

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trumee:

guys, on my frontend only system, mythvideo starts with an 'Unknown Prefix' floder. Any why what is wrong?

[18:18:01]

trumee:

The videos are sshfs-fuse mounted as /mnt/videos which is the same as the backend

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

I hate to see your cpu usage when you watch a video....

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trumee:

ok sorted it out, the path was wrongly set in the front end.

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justinh:

you don't even need to do that

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justinh:

storage groups get streamed by the backend to the frontend(s)

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iamlindoro:

MythVideo, though, and presumably not trunk

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justinh:

ah

[18:24:55]

justinh:

still no need for sshfs

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: You were working an a MythGame MythUI port, yeah?

[18:32:13]

trumee:

justinh, sshfs works way better here than nfs

[18:32:42]

trumee:

i have homeplugs in my house. maybe nfs doesnt work well with homeplugs

[18:32:58]

trumee:

sshfs is quite smooth as compared to nfs.

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wagnerrp:

homeplugs? meaning powerline networking?

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wagnerrp:

nfs doesnt work too well with unreliable networking

[18:35:23]

wagnerrp:

dropped packets cause it pain

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wagnerrp:

you may fare better forcing it to TCP mode

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trumee:

yes powerline networking

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** kormoc shudders **

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trumee:

wagnerrp, i recollect trying that. i think there is something in the wiki about it. but sshfs has been working quite well

[18:37:03]

wagnerrp:

also, the backend doesnt care where your videos are mounted

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wagnerrp:

until very recently in trunk (has it even been committed yet?) videos are only accessed by the frontend

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trumee:

i am using the 0.21-fixes version. keeping my fingers crossed for 0.22

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wagnerrp:

with the path fixed, all is working?

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gbee:

been committed, but isn't complete – not user friendly yet

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wagnerrp:

im surprised recording streaming is functioning correctly over HPN

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gbee:

mpeg-ts is designed so that the occassional packetloss won't be fatal

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trumee:

wagnerrp, yes with the path fixed. it is working well

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trumee:

i thought homeplug netowrking was better that wifi. isnt that so?

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wagnerrp:

its usually faster...

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wagnerrp:

instead of transmitting over the airwaves, youre now transmitting over a giant antenna

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trumee:

it will be painful having to run a cable from first level to ground level in the house

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wagnerrp:

if it works acceptably, feel fortunate

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trumee:

how do guys with multiple front ends manage it?

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wagnerrp:

box o' bulk cat6

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wagnerrp:

i ran cable throughout the basement, and up the HVAC system, or along side when i could manage

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trumee:

you have cable running around in the house? hidden beneath the carpet?

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iamlindoro:

Running cable is simultaneously the most frustrating and most satisfying home project ever

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wagnerrp:

i had to punch outside once for the back tv

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wagnerrp:

but since the cableco had already done the same thing several years previous, i didnt feel so bad about it

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iamlindoro:

because it just looks so damn good when you put the work in to it

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gbee:

not too bad for those of you living in the US with all the timberframe buildings, try a 1920s solid brick wall and plaster house

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justinh:

nothing in the world like craling under your own floorspace :)

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justinh:

*crawling

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wagnerrp:

gbee: like my house?

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justinh:

gbee: learn a bit of skimming ;)

[18:47:10]

wagnerrp:

gbee: it just takes some creativity

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gbee:

wagnerrp: you have my sympathies if it's anything like this place :)

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justinh:

the walls are almost too much for wireless here

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gbee:

running cabling around here would be a messy job, no conduits or cavities of any form (at least running top to bottom)

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justinh:

glad we don't have concrete floors though

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wagnerrp:

gbee: luckily we had run central air about 20 years ago, so i could follow that through difficult areas

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justinh:

gbee: I went behind the stairs to get a run up & down

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justinh:

only had to disrupt one bit of plaster in the end

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justinh:

and even then I could've just put hardboard up instead

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gbee:

if I were to run from the upstairs to downstairs/back to front, I'd probably need to go up first into the loft, across the house and down the exterior wall before re-entering adjacent to where the aerial cables run

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justinh:

oh I forgot about the conduit where the shower cable is

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justinh:

shower cable & water pipe in the same conduit.. not sure that's code but it wasn't my doing :P

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gbee:

justinh: funny enough, I did that at first, but there was no clear run into the living room from there, and I've since cut that cable – not easy to re-instate now all the carpet is layed and the decoration done

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justinh:

I had the carpet fitters leave me access

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gbee:

I'd go down through the chimneys, if there weren't being used

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gbee:

if it comes to it, I can yank up the carpet, but it never looks as good after you've had to do that

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justinh:

heh

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gbee:

anyway, went with wireless for the living room, it's just a real pain when I want to copy off a HD recording (takes an hour or more)

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wagnerrp:

and here i complain about the couple minutes it takes to move over gigabit

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justinh:

I think all my machines bar one can do gigabit now.. all I need is a new switch

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laga:

justinh: i got a d-link one. speshul power saving one

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laga:

too bad i only have one machine here

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justinh:

meh

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justinh:

well, that's my ubuntu desktop switched over to kde

[19:05:27]

laga:

kde 4?

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justinh:

dunno. I have a working desktop again :)

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justinh:

don't think it's 4

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thedarkone:

has anyone goten comcast on demand to work with myth?

[19:11:25]

wagnerrp:

thedarkone: where are you going to get a list of content for COD?

[19:12:28]

wagnerrp:

if getting a list of content were possible, im sure someone could rig up an IR sequence to control the stb

[19:13:05]

wagnerrp:

but i imagine the only way to do that would be to run screen caps on the menu and OCR

[19:14:15]

wagnerrp:

you can always control the STB manually, and set up mythtv to do a manual recording

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sphery:

I've the opposite configuration as justinh--I've got the gigabit switches, but the vast majority of my systems only have 100Mb NIC's.

[19:20:38]

clever:

i think 2 of my systems(laptops) have onboard gigabit

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wagnerrp:

im about half and half

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clever:

but right now i can bearly keep 100mbit on everything, had to rewire the house to get arround the 10mbit hub

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wagnerrp:

i have far more 100mb machines than gigabit ones, but of the ones i actually have running? probably more gigabit than not

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wagnerrp:

not including embedded hardware

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wagnerrp:

HDHR, phone ATA, wireless AP, ....

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wagnerrp:

anything that would have any reason to do bulk transfers is on gigabit though

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clever:

i had my master backend on 10mbit for a few hours

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clever:

the lag from streaming transcodes is enough to make it start recording 15mins late

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iamlindoro:

The time when running modern software on ancient equipment was cool has long since passed

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clever:

iamlindoro: i fixed it

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iamlindoro:

who

[19:25:20]

iamlindoro:

cares

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clever:

you never care:P

[19:25:52]

iamlindoro:

I will care *sooooo* much if you go out and get a job

[19:26:04]

iamlindoro:

I may even come to love, nay... respect you

[19:26:13]

iamlindoro:

but lets not get ahead of ourselves

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thedarkone:

i see

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wagnerrp:

i h ave only ever owned a single piece of 10mbps equipment in my life

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thedarkone:

well i setup irblaster if i go left on mce remote it ffwd instead of on stb going to left

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wagnerrp:

and that was a freebee from the phone company when we got DSL some 11 or 12 years ago

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thedarkone:

i might have it set wrong

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clever:

wagnerrp: i think my dsl modem is technicaly 10mbit on the ethernet side

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clever:

but it cant handle that much

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wagnerrp:

i still have that same 12yr old DSL modem, and its 10/100

[19:29:05]

clever:

i had mine replaced to fix a problem

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wagnerrp:

hell, i still *use* that same modem

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clever:

problem still there, but its alot faster

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iamlindoro:

clever: You don't actually labor under the impression that issues caused by using crap ancient hardware are even remotely considered real issues, do you?

[19:30:06]

justinh:

iamlindoro: you know what your problem is?

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justinh:

iamlindoro: your list is too short ;)

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iamlindoro:

justinh: I love too much?

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wagnerrp:

the workhorse is going to have to leave some time before the end of the year

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clever:

iamlindoro: i know that the 10mbit hub was causing half my problems today so i wired arround it

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wagnerrp:

theyre switching everyone over to DSL2+

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iamlindoro:

justinh: my list of requirements out of clever?

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justinh:

iamlindoro: nah I was thinking more /ignore

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iamlindoro:

hahaha

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iamlindoro:

yes, probably true

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justinh:

I'm somehow managing to find myself able to just walk away from here when the place is doing my head in. it's only taken like > 3 years damnit

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korogiannos:

Has anyone successfully compiled on XP using a newer svn than the default in http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/packaging/Win . . . -packager.pl (HEAD for example)?

[19:33:12]

korogiannos:

oops, setup my name wrong

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justinh:

korogiannos: full windows release of mythtv will be announced tomorrow

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iamlindoro:

korogiannos: Those revisions are chosen very carefully, specifically because Win32 compile breaks so often-- on account of nobody giving a poop about it

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iamlindoro:

Win32 compile is *always* broken until the next fleeting moment in time in which it is fixed

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iamlindoro:

Besides, even if it compiles, then you have to worry about *using* it in windows, god help you

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korogiannos:

tomorrow? that's great news, unless you're refering to the "tomorrow that never comes". My only other option is VMware in XP with the frontend. too choppy, especially in HD

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wagnerrp:

korogiannos: no, he legitimately means tomorrow

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iamlindoro:

He's referring to the tomorrow that is the first of april

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korogiannos:

oh

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korogiannos:

I get it :)

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wagnerrp:

such a fool...

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iamlindoro:

Is it september in here or is it just me?

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korogiannos:

anyone have any suggestions for watching live tv on xp from a linux backend?

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wagnerrp:

its always september

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Indeed ;)

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** justinh shakes his fist @ RadioTimes. changing the ducking title of programmes **

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meshe:

don't use windows?

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meshe:

oh, he left

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wagnerrp:

but he left... he didnt quit

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wagnerrp:

so hes still lurking somewhere on freenode

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meshe:

don't use livetv, record what you want and use WMP's upnp client

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wagnerrp:

not an option

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** meshe notes that it actually works pretty well **

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wagnerrp:

WMP under XP has no UPNP capability

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meshe:

ahh

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meshe:

i only use vlc and i did see it on my husbands Vista install

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sphery:

Finally remembered the song... All your September discussion above made me think of Green Day's "Wake Me Up When September Ends," which would have even been a good song title to quote in that discussion...

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Is the edit metadata screen in Terra themed yet? Or should/could I just drop in the default one w/ changes for Subtitle/season/episode?

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*, guess I need to edit all the other themes to show that stuff

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Myth time this week maybe?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: the weekend for sure, should have some time tonight assuming it isn't a lot

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iamlindoro:

Well... it's probably a lot :)

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iamlindoro:

but you would be better at determining that than I

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iamlindoro:

anyway, whenever :)

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Fony_Vaio:

can myth do hardware accelerated bluray playback?

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iamlindoro:

Myth has hardware accelerated playback, but as you generally speaking can't play back blu ray from the disk in linux, I guess that's a "no"

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Fony_Vaio:

chipset is X4500HD (g45)

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iamlindoro:

There's no intel hardware accel in linux, so no on that too

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Fony_Vaio:

oh, that's a shame

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Fony_Vaio:

I wanted to go with an open source alternative to vista media centre

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Fony_Vaio:

are there any others that can play bluray?

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iamlindoro:

Maybe something in windows, who knows

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Fony_Vaio:

I will keep searching. thanks

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iamlindoro:

But even those would probably just spawn powerDVD or something

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Fony_Vaio:

it's ok, I don't mind if I have to use something else for the actual bluray playback

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Fony_Vaio:

but I'd like hw acceleration for hd

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iamlindoro:

With that chipset, windows only

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kormoc:

So buy an nvidia card?

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Fony_Vaio:

ok, thanks

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Fony_Vaio:

don't want to use so much energy

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** kormoc blinks **

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iamlindoro:

Get nVidia onboard ;)

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kormoc:

you really don't want to use linux/myth if you don't want to bother with sliding a card into a slot...

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justinh:

iamlindoro: can you not just make a default xml file for it instead?

[20:00:30]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Yeah, gonna, phrased that badly

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justinh:

heh

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iamlindoro:

justinh: In my infinite wisdom I've patched the default edit_metadata screen and the Terra views... but both of neither :)

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iamlindoro:

easy to lose track since I test it with my theme which I have patched both of

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JEDIDIAH__:

my nv8400 does bluray playback at about 10% cpu usage.

[20:07:17]

JEDIDIAH__:

the need to use AnyDVD beforehand is a real drag though.

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Dibblah:

iamlindoro: That's not exactly true. 945+ gets various styles of xvmc.

[20:08:17]

iamlindoro:

Dibblah: Oh? Didn't think that new a chipset still had XvMC-- but I admit I wasn't thinking of XvMC period

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JEDIDIAH__:

the 7100 in the atv seems to do better than the 945 in the mini.

[20:11:02]

Dibblah:

The 945 is good enough for SD playback, or HD mpeg2.

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meshe:

will anydvd hd work in wine?

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iamlindoro:

nope, sadly

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iamlindoro:

VMWare, though

[20:12:26]

iamlindoro:

or Virtualbox

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** JEDIDIAH__ has tried in virtualbox... has not succeeded though. **

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sphery:

is there even a reason to use Wine, anymore, with the proliferation of VM's?

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sphery:

I guess mainly so you don't have to buy a Windows license? (But it seems the Windows license is cheaper than the time/effort required for Wine.)

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gore:

Wine mostly works with most things now. I don't think you're giving it enough credit.

[20:14:44]

clever:

JEDIDIAH__: last time i used virtualbox, it screwed up the linux kernel(in ram) and made the system unstable

[20:14:53]

meshe:

3d and direct hardware access

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iamlindoro:

WINE is awesome for gaming

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Dibblah:

Sometimes.

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meshe:

iamlindoro: exactly

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JEDIDIAH__:

never had that problem with vb...

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iamlindoro:

works fairly well with Steam stuff, all things considered

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iamlindoro:

Not sure I'd trust a VM to be fast enough for HL2 :)

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meshe:

i snagged a free copy of crossover games when they were giving their software away

[20:16:09]

meshe:

iamlindoro: or even support it with it's "virtual" hardware

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iamlindoro:

All that said, kormoc got me going last night and now I need to go play all the SCUMM games again :)

[20:17:24]

iamlindoro:

I play through all the old faves once a year or so... and the time has come

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kormoc:

I am responsible for the lack of forward motion with mythvideo.... Muhahahahah!

[20:18:16]

meshe:

i finally got Lord of the Rings Online working yesterday at a decent framerate on linux

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meshe:

happened to have nothing to do with the software, just bad cpu cooling

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: God help us all if I'm the hope for forward motion in MythVideo ;)

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yunosh:

hi, if i want to tell mythtv that two channels from two different sources are the same, how do i do that? using the same xmltv id doesn't seem to work. do i have to assign them the same channel number?

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kormoc:

callsign I thought?

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iamlindoro:

channum and callsign, I believe

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sphery:

callsign says they're the same

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sphery:

if you have both channum and callsign the same, you're saying they're the same (with callsign) and that you only want to see one "copy" of the channel in the EPG

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yunosh:

hm, seems to work in the myhtweb timetable, but i still see duplicate entries when searching for shows

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kormoc:

That you will

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sphery:

yes, because searching is /not/ the EPG

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sphery:

EPG is the list of what's on at a specific time

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sphery:

not search results :)

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gbee:

but that's a bug IMHO, one for kormoc to fix ;)

[20:39:28]

gbee:

happened to notice it earlier tonight, so topical

[20:39:34]

kormoc:

Heh, I really want to re-work the search

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yunosh:

bug or not, understood. but with this setup, myth will pick either source for recording that's available?

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sphery:

but which ones do you show?

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sphery:

only if callsign and channum /and/ starttime match

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sphery:

i.e. show only one of ^^^

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iamlindoro:

available/highest priority/etc.

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gbee:

actually, just callsign for scheduling

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yunosh:

k

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sphery:

or do you show hide dups if callsign and starttime match, but not channum (which breaks the rule for EPG's hiding data)

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sphery:

s/show hide/hide/

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justinh:

hmm more4 @ 10pm looks interesting

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gbee:

e.g. "BBC TWO" on OTA and Satellite – Program A will be recorded once even though it appears with a different subtitle/description on both platforms because it's listed as appearing at the same time,

[20:43:28]

yunosh:

does this also work when zapping during live tv? i.e. are the sources switched automatically if consecutive channels are on different sources? or, in a different scenario, switch sources if the other is busy with recording?

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gbee:

justinh: heh. that prompted am enquiry from my parents – why is this programme recording at 10pm, we didn't tell it to record that!? Turns out that the category 'Health' uses the exact same shade of green as it would if recording ... doh

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yunosh:

heh, does anybody find the category colors useful at all? it look nice :) but there are so many different categories and so random colors, that i never could make a use of it

[20:45:25]

justinh:

nope

[20:45:31]

justinh:

I hate them, so turned them off

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Did you see my question re: Terra above? Have you customized the edit metadata screen yet, or am I safe to patch it? Don't want to stomp on your work

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gbee:

yunosh: I find them useful only for spotting films etc

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justinh:

filters ftw ;)

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yunosh:

gbee: *that* would be helpful, i.e. coloring by news/movie/tv series etc

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gbee:

iamlindoro: didn't see it, but I did read the email, you can patch it, but I might go back if I think the spacing etc needs to be addressed

[20:47:03]

iamlindoro:

no problem with that at all, it's likely to be ugly/quick anyway

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k-man:

i just upgraded to .21 fixes .deb package and now, the first time i watch a recording, it works fine, but after that, i get a blank screen

[20:47:39]

gbee:

I can't remember how crowded that screen/popup is already

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sphery:

Hmmm... LD_LIBRAY_PATH doesn't work quite as well as LD_LIBRARY_PATH...

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gbee:

can't even remember if I've themed it yet

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gbee:

and I can't bring up to check ;) I'll need to goto the source ...

[20:49:02]

yunosh:

does anybody have an answer re my livetv question?

[20:49:07]

sphery:

metadata editor in MV definitely needs some cleanup/restyling... If iamlindoro puts enough stuff in there, he'll be forced to do so. :)

[20:50:22]

sphery:

yunosh: which LiveTV question?

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yunosh:

does this also work when zapping during live tv? i.e. are the sources switched automatically if consecutive channels are on different sources? or, in a different scenario, switch sources if the other is busy with recording?

[20:50:54]

yunosh:

this == two sources/one channel

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sphery:

Without knowing the question, I'd have to use the answer that's the perfect answer for all LiveTV questions, "Don't use LiveTV--learn to use Myth to its full potential." :)

[20:51:13]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Heh... well ultimately I intend to just scrap it an redo it from scratch such that you can edit all fields

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iamlindoro:

Minus filename

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iamlindoro:

But I'm starting to end up with more patches than I can track again

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yunosh:

sphery: i alread did that :) but i still enjoy zapping

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justinh:

I still enjoy zapping. I have one of those tazer thingies

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sphery:

yunosh: when in LiveTV, when using browse mode, you browse channels on the one source (i.e. just like if you hook your Satellite STB directly to your TV and set your TV to display the Satellite input, when browsing you're just looking at channels on that input). If you want to watch channels from another input you can switch inputs then browse

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I'm hoping you haven't themed it yet, in which case I can just cut/paste in the default-wide version which I've already edited

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yunosh:

sphery: kthx

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sphery:

yunosh: Or, you can go to the EPG--where you can see all channels--and look at what's on. When you tell Myth to change to the selcted channel, it will switch inputs if necessary

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yunosh:

works for me, i guess. now i only have to get sound working on that ancient wintv card so i can still zapp while recording two shows :)

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sphery:

yunosh: note that there is an EPG (labeled Program Guide in the OSD Menu) available while in LiveTV

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yunosh:

sphery: is there an epg anywhere else? :)

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yunosh:

ah, the one in recoding planning

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sphery:

yunosh: WinTV PVR-x50 or WinTV PVR-500?

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yunosh:

far older, i think they have been labled wintv-pci

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sphery:

yunosh: yep, you can get to an EPG in the GUI by going to Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Program Guide (IIRC)

[20:55:36]

yunosh:

an 848 card

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sphery:

iamlindoro: and you haven't burned his WinTV bttv card? :)

[20:56:17]

iamlindoro:

It's the only way to be sure it's someone I don't want to help

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sphery:

that was just a joke... Many on here feel that frame grabbers aren't worth the effort...

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iamlindoro:

If I can't see the framegrabber users, how will I know who to ignore?

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yunosh:

that card has done a good job. 10 years ago.

[20:57:42]

iamlindoro:

Exactly, let the old girl go

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cityLights1:

hi, ok my SO wants to ungrade her moms pc

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cityLights1:

I am not in touch with current motherboards and chipsets

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iamlindoro:

Ah, the elusive ungrade

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iamlindoro:

Usually hammers involved

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sphery:

I wonder how the electricity usage from a max'ed out CPU (doing software encoding) while recording compares to the electricity usage of a PVR-x50 (in the PCI slot all the time--even when not recording)....

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sphery:

wonder which is cheaper

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cityLights1:

is AMD 790x a relaiable chipset? or better I go nvidia?

[20:59:16]

iamlindoro:

Is this related to Myth somehow?

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wagnerrp:

if you want onboard graphics, go with nvidia

[20:59:29]

meshe:

sounds like a tomshardware.com question

[20:59:32]

iamlindoro:

If it's not related to myth, it really doesn't matter

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justinh:

on board graphics.. sounds more like surfing related

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cityLights1:

<iamlindoro its just that where discussing the 45 w amd proccesors a few days back and I thought someone here may have recently bghout a pc

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cityLights1:

wagnerrp: thanks

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wagnerrp:

cityLights1: that recommendation was under the assumption that you were running mythtv under linux

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sphery:

cityLights1: if you're running GNU/Linux, the nvidia drivers may be easier. If you're not, the AMD is likely to be a /lot/ less power hungry.

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cityLights1:

thnaks

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sphery:

Ah, finally ... proof that hitting your head against a brick wall for >6hrs does pay off.

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cityLights1:

ha?

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** gbee has a 45W processor in an nvidia chipset board **

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** gbee also has an amd/ati chipset board **

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** gbee is happy with both **

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sphery:

cityLights1: that wasn't about you... It was referencing the project I'm currently working on.

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cityLights1:

ok, issue is sattled

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adnc:

hello, i'm looking for a small board in order to run mythtv on it. is there anywhere a comparison list with modern mini, micro atx or equivalent boards

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adnc:

which suite well with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

look for one with an onboard nvidia chip, preferably 9-series with HDMI

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bulle:

adnc: just get a mini atx that can take a decent cpu, such as an amd phenom or intel core2 cpu

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wagnerrp:

toss in a low wattage dual core chip

[21:27:46]

bulle:

adnc: and add an anvidia graphics card, and you are done

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adnc:

thank you for your answers, is there a prefered board around that expert mythtv users buy

[21:28:42]

bulle:

dunno, i think most would just buy a good quality board from a well known reputable manufacturer

[21:28:58]

bulle:

asus, msi, intel, whatever

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adnc:

the only problem i can think of is that i do have two pci slots already used with my dvb-c and the ci card holder plus one grafic card

[21:29:27]

adnc:

if i take mini atx do they then fit with the riser cards?

[21:29:40]

bulle:

adnc: well, grafix shouldnt go into a pci slot realy

[21:29:55]

adnc:

bulle: those mini atx where do they go?

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bulle:

adnc: and, the ci card holder, atleast the ones i have seen, doesnt NEED a pci slot

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wagnerrp:

graphics should go into a PCIe slot, or be onboard

[21:30:20]

adnc:

those mini atx, do they have a separate pcie slot?

[21:30:25]

bulle:

adnc: some have

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wagnerrp:

if youre trying to build a small box, its better to leave all the hardware out of it

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Do you have any idea what is going on with thetvdb.com? It has been inaccessible for me since last night.

[21:30:38]

wagnerrp:

and put the tuners and such in another machine in the basement

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adnc:

bulle: you are right, i could feed it with a cable to somewhere else the ci

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Same here, just think they are very up and down these days

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adnc:

wagnerrp: yes a small one, how you mean by leaving all the hardware out of it

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wagnerrp:

give it a small board, onboard grpahics, low power processor, memory and power supply... and thats it

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adnc:

wagnerrp: but then i do have two machines which i didnt want. i would like to have a small one which i could place into my living room

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wagnerrp:

boot over the network, or give it a CF card

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RDV_Linux:

Thanks for the response. Hard to test new scripts when one of the target sites are down. That forced me to add new features. Oh well;-)

[21:32:03]

bulle:

adnc: micro atx board normaly have, say 3 slots atleast

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wagnerrp:

leave the hard drives and tuners in a big ugly box elsewhere

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adnc:

if i do understand you guys right then mini atx is the keyword

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wagnerrp:

i dont believe there is a 'mini atx' form factor

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iamlindoro:

micro at

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iamlindoro:

atx

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iamlindoro:

micro atx

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wagnerrp:

its 'micro atx', or 'mini itx'

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adnc:

bulle: thats ok, 3 slots are enogh

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bulle:

adnc: micro atx then for you

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adnc:

thank you

[21:33:01]

adnc:

micro atx then

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wagnerrp:

micro atx usually have 3–4 expansion slots

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wagnerrp:

mini itx usually only have 1

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adnc:

by calling it expansion slots, are you trying to say that they can be added and aren't usable normally

[21:33:46]

bulle:

i would go with a micro atx, an external cheap nvidia pci-e graphics card, and a cheal low power amd or intel cpu ( imho doesnt realy matter just buy whatever you like, and can find at a good price )

[21:33:55]

wagnerrp:

expansion slots are PCI, AGP, PCIe...

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adnc:

ok

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iamlindoro:

No reason to get graphics on a card if you want a small board, just get a board with onboard nVidia 9300

[21:34:39]

wagnerrp:

im saying that the form factor limits a certain size

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iamlindoro:

Then you save yourself a slot and get decent graphics to boot

[21:34:51]

wagnerrp:

and theres simply no room on a mini itx board for multiple expansion slots

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adnc:

if you don't mind i would like to ask what the maximum amount is that i should pay for such a board?

[21:35:33]

iamlindoro:

I would say you should be able to get a really good board, with a good nVidia GPU for well under $130–140 USD

[21:35:52]

adnc:

wow

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bulle:

iamlindoro: only raeson i see, for not going the nvidia onboard route, is if he wants hdmi out with sound, and support for the hd formats, or uncompressed pcm over hdmi, then nvidia is no good

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adnc:

iamlindoro: do you have a particular one in mind when mentioning these prices

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iamlindoro:

bulle: 9300 onboard support HDMI audio, and HDMI 1.3

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iamlindoro:

adnc: any Micro ATX w/ 9300 will be fine. ASUS, Zotac, Gigabyte all make them

[21:37:05]

adnc:

cool

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bulle:

iamlindoro: yes, it does, but thats still only the old dd/dts stuff, it doesnt support uncompressed pcm for more then 2 channels, it basicly just does what your old spdif out supports

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adnc:

i thank you all

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bulle:

iamlindoro: so none of the newer hd sound formats will go over it

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adnc:

bulle: have you got a different suggestion?

[21:38:09]

bulle:

adnc: nah, just that if you want hd sound, then going with onboard graphics, is not going to be that good, as there is no way to change it

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iamlindoro:

bulle: There is no support for 8 channel PCM in linux anyway, nor of bitstreaming newer audio formats

[21:38:38]

adnc:

do they also have the cpu onboard soldered, or do i have to buy them separately

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bulle:

iamlindoro: there is afaik raw support for 8 channel PCM in the ati drivers

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bulle:

adnc: cpu is separate

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iamlindoro:

you are incorrect

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adnc:

ok

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cityLights1:

of to dream

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iamlindoro:

bulle: And the 9300 *does* support 8 channel PCM

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iamlindoro:

at least according to many many reviews

[21:40:11]

iamlindoro:

http://www.bigbruin.com/2009/asusp5n7a_10

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iamlindoro:

Here is my board

[21:40:22]

iamlindoro:

"8 channel L-PCM audio through HDMI port"

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adnc:

iamlindoro: this board costs just around 50$

[21:42:13]

iamlindoro:

adnc: Which board costs $50?

[21:42:17]

iamlindoro:

more like $150

[21:42:39]

adnc:

well the page you posted above has a list on the bottom

[21:43:19]

iamlindoro:

adnc: Yes, and those prices are $140–150, not $50

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wagnerrp:

adnc: looking through newegg, if i were to build a new machine today... it would be a ZOTAC GF9300-A-E (board), a E5200 (CPU), 2GB of DDR2–800, and a Silverstone LC11

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iamlindoro:

adnc: but the board at the bottom of that page is not the board being reviewes

[21:43:56]

iamlindoro:

reviewed

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adnc:

iamlindoro: i see

[21:44:14]

iamlindoro:

adnc: The board reviewed (which I own) is ASUS P5N7A-VM

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wagnerrp:

that comes to around $350, half of that cost is in the case

[21:44:39]

wagnerrp:

i just really like the look of that case...

[21:44:51]

adnc:

104euros here

[21:45:18]

adnc:

wagnerrp: ohh yes, that silverstone looks great

[21:45:34]

adnc:

iamlindoro: you are right, it costs around 104 euros here in germany

[21:46:01]

wagnerrp:

i would have to get it and open it up before deciding on a heatsink

[21:46:08]

wagnerrp:

i would likely not be sticking with the stock sink

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adnc:

the riser cards, are they included with the boards?

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wagnerrp:

no, included with the case

[21:47:25]

wagnerrp:

riser cards are not a standard form, and are custom made to fit the case

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adnc:

i see

[21:48:34]

adnc:

iamlindoro: does this board have any components that are not supported by linux?

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iamlindoro:

adnc: not that I am aware

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iamlindoro:

all works for me

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wagnerrp:

Larry's dell laptop has a broken clock

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thedarkone:

is it normal for comcast remote to control mce box?

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wagnerrp:

did you program the comcast remote to control the MCE box?

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thedarkone:

no

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wagnerrp:

then its not likely it would come pre-programmed to do so

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thedarkone:

i see

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thedarkone:

well i go left on comcast remote and it goes left on mythtv

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wagnerrp:

the comcast STB, and the MCEUSB2 receiver, may have overlapping codes

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thedarkone:

how would one fix that problem

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sid3windr:

I keep missing the end on every recording of a certain show, sigh

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sid3windr:

what is so hard in supplying correct epg data :(

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wagnerrp:

sid3windr: you can just extend that recording

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wagnerrp:

if its consistant, you should now how much you need to extend it

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sid3windr:

hehe

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sid3windr:

yea, but that's just dumb ;/

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sid3windr:

I mean, it's probably a solution except for the ones I missed but why can't they just schedule it on time ;/

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wagnerrp:

what network?

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sid3windr:

thanks for the tip btw

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sid3windr:

VT4 (Belgium) :)

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wagnerrp:

oh

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sid3windr:

I should check though

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wagnerrp:

no experience with them

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sid3windr:

perhaps it's my epg feed that's actually wrong :)

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wagnerrp:

it may be just that theyre offset by a couple minutes

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wagnerrp:

everything is offset by a couple minutes

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wagnerrp:

and your EPG feed is not set up to handle that

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wagnerrp:

i know TBS over here likes to be a couple minutes off of everyone else

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sid3windr:

:)

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wagnerrp:

i guess the fact that theyre a couple minutes late means you can pick up watching their shows

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wagnerrp:

but if you try to go on to another show on another network, it will have already started

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wagnerrp:

and you missed the beginning

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sid3windr:

I set up 2 min before and 2 after

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sid3windr:

but that's clearly not enough ;)

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wagnerrp:

so give it more

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wagnerrp:

any time i see a game on before one of my shows, ill give it an extra hour

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wagnerrp:

you can always remove the excess, you cant always get it back

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sid3windr:

true true

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topping:

howdy

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iamlindoro_:

HAHAHA

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iamlindoro_:

I totally just wiped out my season/episdoe/subtitle work for mythvideo

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iamlindoro_:

and THAT is why I put a new version of the patch in the ticket every couple of days (including today) :)

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** Captain_Murdoch wonders about iamlindoro's ideas of off-site backups. :) **

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iamlindoro_:

Captain_Murdoch, I think the only thing that would work for the amount of poking I do at myth would be an offsite SVN

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iamlindoro_:

Grrrr, I hate modifying 4:3 themes

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iamlindoro_:

I wonder if that's silly to feel that way

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iamlindoro_:

stupid new features ;)

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BeowulfBC:

Does anyone have any idea where I could find some help on not being able to recieve channels over 13? 3 -> 13 works fine, however anything over 13 is just black snow

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BeowulfBC:

Oops find it in the mailing list, just was not using correct search terms

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sphery:

BeowulfBC: yeah, problem with UHF, likely

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sphery:

BeowulfBC: or a problem with your frequency table

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BeowulfBC:

Yes it suggest changes the frequency table

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sphery:

if cable, it's the freq table

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BeowulfBC:

Of course now I need to find out what I need to change it too

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sphery:

if OTA, it's likely antenna

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sphery:

BeowulfBC: cable?

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sphery:

and US?

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BeowulfBC:

Canada

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sphery:

OTA or cable?

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BeowulfBC:

Cable

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