| Thursday, March 26th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:15] | sphery: | gbee: I truly think that the mythui stuff is /much/ better than the "wave your hands like a Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man" UI ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQWq9XjT8mY ) |
| [00:00:59] | Shadow__X: | so kormoc_ that compares actual values to what they are supposed to do? |
| [00:10:10] | kormoc_: | Shadow__X, nah, it just returns the longest duration aspect ratio |
| [00:10:38] | Shadow__X: | hmm ok just to understand the flow of it how do i know that |
| [00:10:47] | Shadow__X: | i dont want to bother you i just want to learn how it does that |
| [00:11:05] | Shadow__X: | i have some knowledge of sql but not like that |
| [00:11:16] | kormoc_: | PaulWay, well, we're sorta in the position where about 75% of the code is written by people no longer here so there is no more context then they'd get with that question, and it's an indication if they can work their way though the query, Once you understand the query, it's dirt simple to calculate out, just a handful of add and subtracts |
| [00:11:58] | kormoc_: | Shadow__X, so it takes the next mark and subtracts the current mark from it to get the duration, which then it adds up based on the data value and then selects the one with the longest duration |
| [00:12:55] | Shadow__X: | hmm ok what does select ifnull(rm.mark, recordedmarkup.mark ) do |
| [00:12:58] | PaulWay: | kormoc_: if you called the 'mark' column 'seconds' and the second one 'category' then it would be a better question IMO. |
| [00:14:12] | PaulWay: | Maybe by finding people who can tell you the right answer from that you're encouraging people who won't leave any documentation behind? |
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| [00:14:49] | PaulWay: | "but the double Chinese Cash Register transform is so simple, everyone should know it!" |
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| [00:15:23] | ** kormoc_ laughs ** | |
| [00:16:12] | kormoc_: | Shadow__X, that's a special case for the last mark. The last mark has no next mark, so if we didn't do that, the next mark would be null, null – value == null, a sum with a null == null, and thus invalidate that data. So we just use the current mark value and thus gives it a duration of 0 |
| [00:16:45] | kormoc_: | PaulWay, nah, we have coding standards in place that people are required to follow and they're monitored (peer code review, etc) |
| [00:17:29] | PaulWay: | so you do normally have a level of context documentation in the code? |
| [00:17:59] | kormoc_: | nah, we're heading that way, but there's a huge ton (least 75%) that currently has none |
| [00:21:32] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, according to /proc/mdstat the speed is only 1031K/sec why so slow |
| [00:22:04] | iamlindoro_: | RAID reshapes are slow... but there's a max_speed limiter in /proc somewhere that I never remember |
| [00:22:15] | iamlindoro_: | you can cat $somelargenumber in there to crank up the speed |
| [00:22:19] | Shadow__X: | ah because i have a e8400 |
| [00:22:35] | iamlindoro_: | but you sacrifice system speed and potentially safety in the rebuild |
| [00:22:35] | Shadow__X: | and it can go faster |
| [00:22:39] | Shadow__X: | oh |
| [00:22:57] | Shadow__X: | so its best to leave it alone |
| [00:23:15] | iamlindoro_: | up to you, I guess |
| [00:23:22] | Shadow__X: | because i have no issue turning everything off and dedicate it to just expanding the array |
| [00:25:03] | iamlindoro_: | God DAMN Jewel Staite is hot |
| [00:25:20] | iamlindoro_: | Have a filthy, filthy picture of her set as my Firefly fanart |
| [00:25:26] | iamlindoro_: | well... not filthy enough |
| [00:26:02] | iamlindoro_: | And I just KNOW it will be the same fanart kormoc chooses when he starts to use it |
| [00:26:27] | sphery: | Did you know she actually gained like 20lbs to play Kaylee in Firefly? (But didn't for Serenity.) |
| [00:26:39] | iamlindoro_: | Definitely don't mind/care |
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| [00:27:05] | kormoc_: | iamlindoro, the green robe one? :) |
| [00:27:07] | sphery: | No, I'm just saying that she's very committed to her art. Many wouldn't consider doing that. |
| [00:27:12] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc_, yup |
| [00:27:18] | ** kormoc_ swoons ** | |
| [00:27:35] | PaulWay: | can we talk about something that isn't so sexist? |
| [00:27:46] | iamlindoro_: | No. |
| [00:27:46] | kormoc_: | how's it sexist? |
| [00:28:14] | PaulWay: | kormoc_: try being less disingenuous :-) |
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| [00:28:45] | musix: | greetings channel |
| [00:28:54] | iamlindoro_: | I'm having to get all my fanart back in to cache because that assclown made me load up GANT and lose my cache.. so I get to see each piece of fanart again. And she is HOT. And I said so. And I don't feel sexist for saying so. |
| [00:28:56] | kormoc_: | PaulWay, disingenuous isn't sexist :P |
| [00:29:04] | sphery: | would less disingenuous mean more ingenuous? |
| [00:29:16] | kormoc_: | iamlindoro_, I'm sorry? |
| [00:29:24] | iamlindoro_: | I think that's Misdisingenuous |
| [00:29:26] | ** kormoc_ feels like the only GANT lover in the world ** | |
| [00:29:35] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc_, Complaining about JYA, not GANT |
| [00:29:52] | kormoc_: | ahh |
| [00:30:12] | iamlindoro_: | because he was hacking on GANT and I wanted to prove that the nonsense he was spouting about its fonts and inheritance was just that |
| [00:30:28] | iamlindoro_: | so I recreated the exact conditions so that nobody could accuse me of using a proper MythUI theme or whatever |
| [00:32:18] | Shadow__X: | at currenbt speeds 10000Min to finish |
| [00:32:20] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [00:32:55] | iamlindoro_: | It'll come way down |
| [00:33:04] | iamlindoro_: | don't worry, the first bit is *always* misreported |
| [00:33:21] | PaulWay: | sphery: yes. |
| [00:33:27] | kormoc_: | iamlindoro, 0.21.* doesn't report line/column positions I thought? |
| [00:33:30] | Shadow__X: | ah alright because its also saying 1285K/sec and the array is capable of 100MB/sec |
| [00:33:37] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc_, God help us all, he's moved to trunk |
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| [00:33:45] | kormoc_: | Shadow__X, so up the max speed? |
| [00:33:55] | kormoc_: | iamlindoro, my point is, it doesn't appear so... :P |
| [00:34:05] | kormoc_: | iamlindoro, I wonder if he tagged his as 0.22 and called it trunk... |
| [00:34:06] | Shadow__X: | kormoc_, i am just very new to this where is that |
| [00:34:23] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc_, If only he'd tag it with a new project name/web site/user list |
| [00:34:36] | PaulWay: | kormoc_: pretending that "Have a filthy, filthy picture of her set as my Firefly fanart" isn't sexist is disingenuous. |
| [00:34:59] | iamlindoro_: | Pretending anything I say isn't highly hyperbolic is disingenuous :) |
| [00:35:01] | Shadow__X: | kormoc_, the max speed is 200000 |
| [00:35:02] | kormoc_: | Shadow__X, echo "200000000" > /sys/block/md3/md/sync_speed_max |
| [00:35:06] | Shadow__X: | min is 1000 |
| [00:35:19] | kormoc_: | hrm, 200000 is good enough |
| [00:35:24] | kormoc_: | likely won't see a speed boost |
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| [00:35:41] | iamlindoro_: | can crank the min a little too |
| [00:35:51] | kormoc_: | run top and see cpu usage? |
| [00:35:56] | Shadow__X: | whats acceptaple |
| [00:36:20] | Shadow__X: | md0_raid 5 1 percent |
| [00:36:25] | kormoc_: | PaulWay, it's not like we're saying folks can't talk about men in the same manor |
| [00:36:49] | Shadow__X: | load avg is 1 |
| [00:36:52] | PaulWay: | And that happens all the time, eh? |
| [00:36:56] | GreyFoxx: | sexist?!?! Having a photo of the person (they they allowed to be taken) does not discriminate against them nor promote some idea of them being inferior and therefore is not sexist |
| [00:36:59] | kormoc_: | PaulWay, sexism is the limiting or restricting based on gender, that's not happening here, people are welcome to if they want to |
| [00:37:13] | kormoc_: | Shadow__X, what's the cpu usage? |
| [00:37:14] | iamlindoro_: | PaulWay, We have females in here who get along perfectly well and don't seem to complain about our general attitude |
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| [00:37:40] | GreyFoxx: | I better tell my sister that her half naked poste rof David Boreanaz is sexist and she should take it down |
| [00:37:42] | PaulWay: | "Yeah, welcome to #mythtv-users, we talk about women like only their bodies matter!" |
| [00:37:44] | iamlindoro_: | not to mention my ogling a hot woman is hardly the most offensive thing to go on in here |
| [00:37:58] | kormoc_: | iamlindoro_, I'm waiting for him to do a call to arms on the user's list to fork it... |
| [00:38:12] | Shadow__X: | PaulWay, someone def pointed out how dedicated to her work she is |
| [00:38:13] | kormoc_: | PaulWay, who said that? |
| [00:38:16] | Shadow__X: | thats mind too |
| [00:38:30] | iamlindoro_: | PaulWay, Not at all, I'm perfectly appreciative of a woman's intellect-- but the robe isn't short enough for me to see it |
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| [00:39:26] | GreyFoxx: | men are meat |
| [00:39:27] | kormoc_: | PaulWay, I think she's amazingly intelligent and charming and wonderful, and I've said that before. Enjoying all aspects of a person doesn't have to happen all the time. You can enjoy one part now and another part later and it's not sexist or degrading |
| [00:39:28] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc_, The longer it's all gone on, the more he's appropriated credit for it without writing a single line of code from what I can tell |
| [00:39:29] | GreyFoxx: | women are meat |
| [00:39:34] | GreyFoxx: | get ov er it |
| [00:39:58] | kormoc_: | iamlindoro, yeah... |
| [00:40:05] | kormoc_: | he's brainwashing the users! |
| [00:40:32] | GreyFoxx: | if someones ego can't handle someone else enjoying looking at someones outward appearance they nee to work on their own self confidence and not condem the person doing the looking |
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| [00:40:42] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc_, Objectively speaking, not one line of it is his, but his language has gradually shifted from giving credit to calling them "his patches" and "my work on VDPAU" etc. |
| [00:41:21] | iamlindoro_: | not to mention allowing others to praise things in no uncertain terms for which he has not one iota of responsibility |
| [00:41:53] | iamlindoro_: | There was some line last week to the effect of "Wow, I'd figure with the coding level you're at, you'd be all over trunk!" and he just let it hang out there. |
| [00:43:43] | Shadow__X: | in top what does id in the cpu(s) column mean |
| [00:43:50] | iamlindoro_: | Idle |
| [00:44:19] | kormoc_: | iamlindoro, yeah... |
| [00:44:27] | Shadow__X: | ah and i would believe %us is user load %sy is system load |
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| [00:45:46] | PaulWay: | GreyFoxx: ah, good, character attacks. |
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| [00:46:06] | GreyFoxx: | It's not an attack. It's a statement of my opinion/view on thesubject |
| [00:46:07] | PaulWay: | "What I ogle is my problem, not yours, so shut up" |
| [00:46:21] | holyscott: | question, should the mythbuntu live cd mythtv work right off the boot, or does it take some configuration? |
| [00:46:31] | PaulWay: | The American way. |
| [00:46:33] | wagnerrp: | unless its little girls... and then its the government's problem |
| [00:46:36] | Shadow__X: | holyscott, wrong chan |
| [00:46:38] | iamlindoro_: | PaulWay, I appreciate the intent, but a) they're right, we banter in good fun, and b) you're talking to core myth devs in a myth channel... if you don't like it it's okay to go, but we're lighthearted around here |
| [00:46:45] | GreyFoxx: | PaulWay: I am no american, get off your horse |
| [00:46:46] | holyscott: | which channel then? |
| [00:47:09] | Shadow__X: | #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [00:47:18] | PaulWay: | GreyFoxx: "What I call you is my problem, not yours, so shut up" :-) |
| [00:48:01] | PaulWay: | iamlindoro_: sure. Just trying to inject an alternate point of view. Sorry I've got a bit annoyed about it. |
| [00:48:16] | ** PaulWay will shut up again :-) ** | |
| [00:48:17] | iamlindoro_: | Fine. But it's probably time to let it go. |
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| [00:49:28] | kormoc_: | I am no american too! I am a us-atarien! |
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| [00:51:49] | Shadow__X: | kormoc_, the load average is 1.11 |
| [00:52:24] | iamlindoro_: | remember that there's no law that says you have to go balls-out rebuilding your array |
| [00:52:27] | kormoc_: | Shadow__X, load avg is sorta meaningless in this case. what % cpu is the rebuild process using? |
| [00:52:39] | Shadow__X: | 1 |
| [00:52:40] | iamlindoro_: | And like I said, the first bit of the rebuld will be painfully slow, and it will suddenly jump up after a few percent |
| [00:52:47] | ** kormoc_ blinks ** | |
| [00:52:49] | kormoc_: | 1%? |
| [00:52:52] | Shadow__X: | yes |
| [00:52:58] | Shadow__X: | thats what top says |
| [00:53:02] | kormoc_: | what sorta rebuild is this? |
| [00:53:13] | Shadow__X: | in %cpu next to %mem it says 1 |
| [00:53:16] | kormoc_: | iamlindoro, I've always had fairly steady rebuild rates |
| [00:53:20] | Shadow__X: | unless i am reading it wrong |
| [00:53:37] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, yeah i am in the beginning so thats prog it |
| [00:53:43] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc_, *shrug*, I always see a slow first percent or two, then consistently fast |
| [00:54:01] | Shadow__X: | i am at .6 percent |
| [00:54:02] | iamlindoro_: | Shadow__X, did you crank the min speed too? |
| [00:54:03] | kormoc_: | iamlindoro_, what bout when you check the array? |
| [00:54:12] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc_, Fast throughout |
| [00:54:15] | Shadow__X: | so thats prob why and no its still 1000 |
| [00:54:20] | Shadow__X: | what would be good to make it |
| [00:54:46] | iamlindoro_: | make it 20000 and see what happens |
| [00:54:47] | kormoc_: | I always allow it to be 1000 or even 0, I figure might as well allow the rebuild to be slower then to risk a hardlock |
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| [00:55:03] | kormoc_: | but worse comes to worse, you just rebuild the array again |
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| [00:56:40] | sphery: | I am getting lazy... Didn't feel like working on the tmdb.pl script I was supposed to work on tonight... |
| [00:56:54] | iamlindoro_: | you never feel like working on anything, slacka! |
| [00:57:07] | Shadow__X: | so cat 20000 > /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min |
| [00:57:11] | Shadow__X: | just to be sure |
| [00:57:26] | kormoc_: | erm |
| [00:57:31] | kormoc_: | echo 20000 > |
| [00:57:31] | iamlindoro_: | yes, although you can be more incremental if you like (try 5000, see if speed changes, etc.) |
| [00:57:39] | iamlindoro_: | and yeah, echo, heh |
| [00:57:52] | sphery: | kormoc_: speaking of which... do you have a preference for how I go about doing a patch to allow tmdb.pl in -fixes? Currently considering changing it to ignore the tv=no;videos=no type options for -M then making imdb.pl a link to/wrapper for tmdb.pl |
| [00:58:20] | Shadow__X: | ah right |
| [00:58:44] | kormoc_: | sphery, works for me, or just remove the 'tv=' entirely given we don't have imdb.pl in -fixes anymore at all, right? |
| [00:58:59] | sphery: | it's there now... until I get my patch for MythWeb done :) |
| [00:59:12] | kormoc_: | hehe, rgr |
| [00:59:27] | sphery: | so, just the few places in that one file with the imdb.pl in the array? |
| [00:59:30] | Shadow__X: | sudo echo 5000 > /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min permission denied |
| [00:59:36] | Shadow__X: | but root? |
| [00:59:44] | kormoc_: | erm |
| [00:59:55] | iamlindoro_: | I fell on my Butt root once, it hurt real bad |
| [00:59:56] | kormoc_: | so you executed the echo as root but the pipe as your user |
| [00:59:59] | kormoc_: | sudo su - |
| [01:00:01] | kormoc_: | then run it |
| [01:00:43] | Shadow__X: | kormoc_, ah it only executes echo as root not the rest |
| [01:01:06] | sphery: | kormoc_: oh, wait, I remember why I wanted it to just be imdb.pl without the change--because of the session stuff in modules/video/set_settings.php |
| [01:01:36] | Shadow__X: | yay its going faster |
| [01:01:38] | Shadow__X: | its at 5 now |
| [01:01:44] | Shadow__X: | wont take over a week |
| [01:01:45] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [01:02:17] | kormoc_: | sphery, all, could just toss in some code in the session include to modify it |
| [01:02:34] | sphery: | Oh, and "that one file" was actually modules/video/imdb.php (which has the args for it, not the script name) |
| [01:03:05] | sphery: | kormoc_: yeah, i figured that would be good in trunk (and so, something someone knowledgeable could do :), but for -fixes... |
| [01:03:24] | sphery: | I guess, though, doing it right makes sense, too |
| [01:03:30] | kormoc_: | heh |
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| [01:06:56] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc_, hehehe, thought of that |
| [01:06:58] | kormoc_: | Adding in ffmpeg h264 encoding won't help unless you're playing back via framegrabbers :P |
| [01:07:18] | iamlindoro_: | but if we end up with generalized transcode for other purposes I wouldn't complain |
| [01:07:25] | kormoc_: | and it's not a iphone streamable format output anyway, post viewing only |
| [01:08:05] | kormoc_: | yeah, but he's talking bout the wrong location for general transcoding, nupplevideorecorder is purely framegrabbers iirc |
| [01:08:29] | iamlindoro_: | feel free to point that out :) |
| [01:08:36] | iamlindoro_: | well, NVR is used by the transcoder too |
| [01:08:56] | iamlindoro_: | I imagine he got that from the main.cpp of mythtranscode |
| [01:09:01] | kormoc_: | ahh |
| [01:09:10] | iamlindoro_: | it opens it on one end with NVP and outputs with NVR |
| [01:09:35] | iamlindoro_: | so I guess if he were thinking of internalizing that functionality, that would be the example he was working from |
| [01:09:37] | kormoc_: | ahh, that actually explains something |
| [01:10:24] | iamlindoro_: | Note that I am not as smart as I am sounding |
| [01:10:31] | iamlindoro_: | I just happened to be reading that file yesterday :) |
| [01:11:23] | iamlindoro_: | until my eyes began to bleed, anyway |
| [01:11:42] | sphery: | Wait, if iamlindoro_ really is my alter-online-persona, I thought that would mean he /is/ that smart? |
| [01:11:56] | sphery: | (that's 2 jokes in 1) |
| [01:12:15] | iamlindoro_: | I don't get either of them! |
| [01:12:22] | ** iamlindoro_ sits in the dunce corner ** | |
| [01:13:04] | sphery: | reference to someone saying that you and I were the same person a while back in here... and an obvious overstatement of my level of knowledge of Myth |
| [01:13:21] | sphery: | I'll be quiet, now... Sorry. |
| [01:13:23] | iamlindoro_: | heh, don't remember anyone saying that |
| [01:13:30] | iamlindoro_: | They must not know us very well |
| [01:13:36] | iamlindoro_: | but I guess I could be evil sphery |
| [01:13:48] | iamlindoro_: | and also, apparently, dumb sphery |
| [01:14:08] | Shadow__X: | at the same time |
| [01:14:09] | Shadow__X: | ? |
| [01:14:25] | Shadow__X: | you couldnt be that diabolical then |
| [01:14:40] | Shadow__X: | c'mon i made a funny |
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| [01:17:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: guess that someone was me... http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-02-20 @14:37:43 |
| [01:19:20] | Shadow__X: | md0_raid5 is at 1%cpu |
| [01:19:28] | Shadow__X: | should i up it to 10000 |
| [01:19:29] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, hehe |
| [01:19:50] | iamlindoro_: | Shadow__X, I wouldn't base your expectations on CPU utilization necessarily |
| [01:20:21] | Shadow__X: | am i reading top correctlly i am getting cpu usage from %cpu next to %mem |
| [01:20:42] | Shadow__X: | ah ok what should i base it on for it to be more of a intelligent estimation |
| [01:21:27] | iamlindoro_: | What's the total size of the RAID, and the expected time right now? |
| [01:21:43] | iamlindoro_: | And the current reshape speed |
| [01:22:43] | Shadow__X: | total size is 2.7~tb currently 4 1TB raid 5 after reshape 4~TB 5 1TB raid 5 finish=3200.6 min speed-5224K/sec |
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| [01:23:12] | iamlindoro_: | 3200 Minutes for a 4 TB array is about right IME |
| [01:23:30] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
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| [01:23:52] | Shadow__X: | well than great heh alot better than the 14000min it was reporting abit ago |
| [01:23:52] | iamlindoro_: | I have waited days and days for my large array before |
| [01:24:30] | Shadow__X: | how large |
| [01:24:36] | iamlindoro_: | 10 TB |
| [01:24:49] | Shadow__X: | hmm and yeah i wouldnt want to rush it better safe tthan be srry i dont want it to die |
| [01:24:53] | Shadow__X: | thats alot of space |
| [01:24:57] | Shadow__X: | i am jealous |
| [01:25:10] | Shadow__X: | one day i will be able to afford it also |
| [01:25:14] | Shadow__X: | what kind of case is that |
| [01:25:15] | iamlindoro_: | It's a lot of space, but it means more maintenance, more nerves on a rebuild, etc. |
| [01:25:22] | Shadow__X: | right |
| [01:25:23] | kormoc_: | noone with 4 tb should be jealous of 10 tb |
| [01:25:23] | iamlindoro_: | A Lian Li V2000 |
| [01:25:30] | kormoc_: | that's too close for it to really matter... |
| [01:25:43] | Shadow__X: | wha thats a 6tb diff |
| [01:25:51] | Shadow__X: | more than double mine |
| [01:26:30] | sphery: | doesn't the MythWeb install take up more space than you have in your recordings dir, kormoc_ ? |
| [01:26:45] | kormoc_: | it's only 3 drives these days... |
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| [01:27:03] | kormoc_: | sphery, totally! I can only have half the source checked out at a time! |
| [01:27:08] | iamlindoro_: | haha |
| [01:27:09] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:27:24] | sphery: | you're still doing SDTV only, or did you upgrade with the move/fios/ |
| [01:27:25] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [01:27:58] | kormoc_: | sphery, I upgraded, but not capturing anything yet, I need a hdpvr and mac mini first |
| [01:28:09] | sphery: | oh, cool... |
| [01:28:14] | sphery: | welcome to hdtv |
| [01:28:15] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc_, Did you see yesterday's insane-o deal? |
| [01:28:21] | iamlindoro_: | Was $153 shipped |
| [01:28:24] | kormoc_: | the house layout makes the server too far away from the tv for my server to power it |
| [01:28:38] | kormoc_: | iamlindoro, yeah, I saw it, but it'll be mid-next month till i have the cash at least |
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| [01:28:50] | iamlindoro_: | understand that |
| [01:28:53] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, kudos very nice case |
| [01:29:05] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, it's a great case, particularly for many drives |
| [01:29:21] | iamlindoro_: | dedicated air flow channel for the drives, and big fans blowing the air over them |
| [01:29:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: /still/ wondering why #6382 is still open... :) |
| [01:29:52] | iamlindoro_: | And as I graduated from the sphery school of "put it in a closet and run cables through the wall," I have a silent, invisible backend/frontend ;) |
| [01:30:31] | sphery: | we should call them "invisible and inaudible", so we can say they're "in{vis,aud}ible" |
| [01:30:44] | Shadow__X: | right i currently have a nzxt temptest i think its pretty good but after i add 2 more drives i need to upgrade to prob that case also i will fill up sata ports |
| [01:30:54] | sphery: | or in regex, "in(vis|aud)ible" |
| [01:31:09] | Shadow__X: | hmm nice |
| [01:31:15] | Shadow__X: | i will prob have to do that come house time |
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| [01:35:12] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, How in the world is the "Network recorder..." thread on the dev list not a user question? |
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| [01:35:51] | iamlindoro_: | The solution they want may require dev intervention, but it's *still* a user question |
| [01:36:49] | sphery: | um, if Myth can't currently do it, it's a dev question, right? |
| [01:37:29] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, guess so :) |
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| [01:59:43] | sphery: | why would you want encryption of the network control stuff in Myth? |
| [02:00:03] | sphery: | and why wouldn't you use ssh outside of myth to achieve it if you actually did? |
| [02:00:22] | Shadow__X: | no thought would need to happen otherwise? |
| [02:01:52] | sphery: | heh, guess that fits for a project dedicated to making it even more mindless to watch the "boob tube" |
| [02:02:09] | Shadow__X: | yup |
| [02:02:10] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, I expect that's a peculiarity to what the iPhone specifics require |
| [02:03:53] | sphery: | another dep for Myth, then? or another libmyth<whatever>? |
| [02:04:25] | iamlindoro_: | Meh, if it's built in and someone else maintains it, who cares? |
| [02:04:28] | sphery: | meh, whatever, I have gnutls, so it will work |
| [02:04:57] | sphery: | yeah just got there, myself |
| [02:04:58] | iamlindoro_: | But I figure if mark is onboard and down to help, that increases the chances of it actually happening |
| [02:05:18] | iamlindoro_: | I really *would* like to see genuine "U" in uPnP |
| [02:06:16] | sphery: | take a video of yourself, drop it in MythVideo, then access via UPnP and you've got YouPnP |
| [02:07:10] | iamlindoro_: | Make the project take four years, get drunk at every possible opportunity, get the work published in a journal at the end, and it's "U" PnP |
| [02:08:08] | sphery: | sounds like I should read up on the real history of UPnP |
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| [02:08:46] | iamlindoro_: | Where U = University |
| [02:09:02] | sphery: | Oh... |
| [02:10:25] | Shadow__X: | hey i am in college and dont get drunk at every opportunity |
| [02:10:31] | Shadow__X: | thats offensive |
| [02:10:37] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [02:11:07] | iamlindoro_: | You're doing it wrong, then |
| [02:11:25] | Shadow__X: | and why is that |
| [02:11:37] | iamlindoro_: | You'll know when you're 30 |
| [02:11:51] | Shadow__X: | right of course |
| [02:12:45] | Shadow__X: | is it safe to bump the speed to reshape to 10000 i want to speed it up but i dont want to make a idiotic mistake |
| [02:13:24] | iamlindoro_: | Expecting any more speed at that size and current time estimate would be idiotic |
| [02:13:43] | iamlindoro_: | it's not a rheostat, you can't just keep turning it up. It'll either stop going up or hork the system |
| [02:13:44] | Shadow__X: | alright then |
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| [02:15:37] | Shadow__X: | are 1.5tb drives stable yet i havnt heard news other than the horrible beginning of them |
| [02:16:29] | iamlindoro_: | I personally wouldn't buy them yet, but personal tolerances vary |
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| [02:16:49] | Shadow__X: | right i am currently at 1TB and dont know if i could trust them just yet |
| [02:16:59] | Shadow__X: | the beginning was horrible |
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| [02:24:53] | sphery: | could get the WD 2TB's |
| [02:25:02] | keith4_: | could just get more 1Ts |
| [02:25:17] | Shadow__X: | thats what i did got 1 more 1TB for now |
| [02:25:39] | Shadow__X: | i also like speed though me and green drives dont see eye to eye |
| [02:25:56] | Shadow__X: | i want atleast 100MB/sec would prefer over that |
| [02:30:16] | wagnerrp: | what are you going to do with 100MB/s? |
| [02:30:34] | Shadow__X: | go supa fasst |
| [02:30:40] | Shadow__X: | and win |
| [02:31:12] | Shadow__X: | i do routine backups and file transfers that i want to go fast |
| [02:31:22] | Shadow__X: | i am sure there are other better ways to use it more effectively |
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| [02:35:20] | Shadow__X: | are my jokes thats bad? |
| [02:37:44] | sphery: | argh... too late to post a patch for Myth... Forgot to change teh component to MythVideo... |
| [02:38:41] | sphery: | wouldn't you hit chipset limitations long before 100MB/sec? |
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| [02:39:15] | Shadow__X: | what chipset limitations |
| [02:39:23] | Shadow__X: | on the mb? |
| [02:39:32] | Shadow__X: | no i have seen over 100MB/sec local |
| [02:40:00] | sphery: | wow... |
| [02:40:32] | sphery: | I have a mobo where the HDD I/O maxes out around 52MB/sec because of the chipset |
| [02:40:44] | Shadow__X: | this is a new comp though |
| [02:40:58] | Shadow__X: | even my current desktop a g33 shuttle with a shitty hd does 60 |
| [02:41:45] | sphery: | mine is a pcchips SiS-chipset-based mobo for an Athlon XP 2400+, so not a speed demon |
| [02:41:58] | Shadow__X: | first issue sis chipset |
| [02:42:03] | Shadow__X: | secound pcchips |
| [02:42:09] | Shadow__X: | then athlon xp |
| [02:42:24] | sphery: | well, I had to dump the high-quality mobo with the high-performance chipset because I wanted stability |
| [02:42:35] | sphery: | that mobo is the best $40 I ever spent |
| [02:42:35] | Shadow__X: | hmm really it wasnt stable? |
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| [02:43:31] | sphery: | The chipset--whose vendor will remain nameless, to protect the guilty--would overheat, causing memory corruption anywhere from 1–2 times per month. |
| [02:43:32] | Shadow__X: | what stability issues where you having and what cpu and mb |
| [02:43:48] | Shadow__X: | hmm nvidia? |
| [02:43:52] | sphery: | same CPU (exactly the same) |
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| [02:44:05] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [02:44:06] | sphery: | I didn't say that the overheating chipset was made by the blast-furnace company. :) |
| [02:44:13] | Shadow__X: | ah |
| [02:44:22] | sphery: | (I didn't deny it, either. :) |
| [02:44:28] | Shadow__X: | i am not that familiar with amd stuff |
| [02:44:39] | Shadow__X: | but i know older amd's had heat issues |
| [02:44:43] | Shadow__X: | xp the 3000 series |
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| [02:45:35] | sphery: | it's not the chip... it's was /definitely/ the chipset. |
| [02:45:45] | Shadow__X: | right i was just saying |
| [02:45:48] | sphery: | couldn't cool it with air with any of the many fans I tried |
| [02:45:54] | Shadow__X: | liquid cool it |
| [02:45:54] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [02:46:13] | Shadow__X: | but yeah i see the issue |
| [02:47:00] | sphery: | regardless, I bought that mobo/chipset because I knew it was rock-solid stable (though not high performance) and on a mythbackend system doing HDTV recording I need stability and don't need performance |
| [02:47:15] | Shadow__X: | right |
| [02:47:43] | Shadow__X: | guess my backend is overkill at the moment then |
| [02:49:38] | sphery: | well, if you use it for transcoding (especially real-time transcoding) and/or commflagging, it may not be--I'm just super patient with my commflagging as I generally don't watch shows until the season ends. |
| [02:55:43] | Shadow__X: | ah right well when i have more time and money i am going to consolidate it should have atleast one hdpvr record over firewire 3 hd tuners |
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| [03:20:39] | rogueone: | i'm not sure what to call this phenomenon, so i'm having a hard time using google to troubleshoot. as I'm watching TV, during scenes with motion, about 1/3 of the way down the screen is a "line". almost where the refreshing above the line and below the line don't exactly match. it's very consistent. what is this phenomenon called? |
| [03:21:16] | iamlindoro_: | Tearing |
| [03:21:36] | iamlindoro_: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_tearing |
| [03:22:30] | iamlindoro_: | If you are using the VDPAU renderer, or Intel Graphics, those would be my "top two" guesses as to why you're seeing it |
| [03:23:01] | iamlindoro_: | Or the OpenGL renderer without openGL Vsync enabled |
| [03:23:23] | rogueone: | wonderful, that's exactly what's happening |
| [03:23:34] | rogueone: | intel |
| [03:23:46] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, long-lived Intel driver bug |
| [03:23:51] | iamlindoro_: | they promised they'd fix it ages ago |
| [03:23:54] | iamlindoro_: | alas, no |
| [03:24:26] | rogueone: | gma x3500 |
| [03:24:57] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [03:24:57] | rogueone: | so, no way to fix? i recently rebuild my machine and i don't remember it being this bad before. |
| [03:25:17] | iamlindoro_: | You can try getting the most recent intel xorg drivers you can find, but at last check it was still broken |
| [03:26:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | rogueone: No slots to throw in an nvidia? ;-) |
| [03:26:49] | mchou: | use windoze :) |
| [03:26:51] | rogueone: | yeah, i have a free slot... just trying to keep things as simple as possible. |
| [03:27:15] | iamlindoro_: | rogueone, you should try this first, however |
| [03:27:16] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/350837 |
| [03:27:30] | iamlindoro_: | rogueone, I *believe* this workaround patch may work |
| [03:27:49] | rogueone: | thanks lam. i'll see what I can do |
| [03:28:03] | iamlindoro_: | it's a hack, but may do the job. It will require you to patch and compile myth, but it's worth a shot |
| [03:28:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | rogueone: IMHO, an NVidia card would be much simpler than trying to make the Intel gfx working right... ;-) (Just my 2 cents...) |
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| [03:28:47] | floppyears: | hi guys |
| [03:29:06] | rogueone: | fair enough. by simple i meant amount of hardware. i'd like to move to a slim, thin-line HTPC case soon. |
| [03:29:16] | floppyears: | I'm trying to setup my usb mceusb remote to work as an irblaster so that it can change channels in the set top box |
| [03:29:25] | floppyears: | but I dont know the codes of my set top box |
| [03:29:44] | floppyears: | the mceusb remote is sending the right codes and the stb recognizes it |
| [03:29:54] | floppyears: | but irw doesn't show anything |
| [03:29:55] | floppyears: | help? |
| [03:30:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | floppyears: I'm confused... if irsend is working, and the STB is interpreting the codes, then what's the issue? |
| [03:32:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | floppyears: Or do you mean that you've got blasting setup for your STB, but the MCE remote isn't working for IR control of Myth? |
| [03:32:45] | floppyears: | I need to send the codes to the stb using the irblaster from linux |
| [03:32:52] | floppyears: | I don't know the codes for my stb |
| [03:33:02] | floppyears: | so I tried to teach a couple of button codes to the remote |
| [03:33:10] | floppyears: | and the remote sends the correct code to the stb |
| [03:33:22] | floppyears: | but I can't seem to use irw to figure out the code that the remote is sending to the stb |
| [03:33:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | floppyears: Ok, well that's not how it's done... First off – what is your STB? (Make, model) |
| [03:35:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | floppyears: (IE: You don't want to program your TV Power and Volume buttons to your STB – those should either be programmed for your TV or left at the defaults [TV Power – nothing – Volume & mute to pc codes]) |
| [03:35:46] | floppyears: | Motorolla DCH70 |
| [03:36:36] | floppyears: | I don't know the codes to use in the lircd.con |
| [03:36:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | floppyears: Ok, well head over to http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/motorola/ — there isn't one for DCH70 listed, but perhaps one of the other ones listed will work... |
| [03:37:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | floppyears: If nothing else, you can Learn them in LIRC using "irrecord" – although I think that the stb has to use the RC6 protocol to be able to learn the buttons on the MCE USB2 receiver. |
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| [03:39:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | floppyears: A quick google reports that "The DCT700 configuration works!" – so try that one. |
| [03:39:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | floppyears: (but of course, I don't see that on the lirc.org site... humm) |
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| [03:44:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | floppyears: yuck — only has composite output? No S-video? ouch. |
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| [04:01:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | good luck floppyears – I'm off to bed... ;-) ZZZzzz.... |
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| [07:13:08] | floppyears: | J-e-f-f-A: thanks a lot for the help, after using irrecord I was able to get the codes |
| [07:13:15] | floppyears: | and now I have mythtv working again :) |
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| [07:16:50] | justinh: | I'm gonna have some irrecord stuff to do when my harmony arrives |
| [07:18:41] | justinh: | wife says she's not looking forward to it – says she's just got used to pressing '10' for 'info', 'AV' for 'back' and 'red' for 'menu'. damn OFA with no INFO or BACK buttons |
| [07:19:50] | justinh: | gah! bloody samtec samples. ok – they're free of charge but they're not ducking RIGHT |
| [07:20:40] | justinh: | using their part number generator I made up a keyed 16 way cable with 2mm pitch ribbon connectors 6.5 inches long. trouble is, it's not keyed & also not 6.5 inches long |
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| [07:27:49] | xris: | anyone else see mythvideo compile errors recently? |
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| [07:30:11] | xris: | looks like something in the dvdnav stuff |
| [07:31:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | xris, there's was a ticket submitted by erik in the last day or two that might have to do with that. |
| [07:32:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | maybe not, he doesn't mention compilation, just defects. |
| [07:32:28] | Captain_Murdoch: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6387 |
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| [07:33:07] | CCFL_Man2: | anyone used feng? |
| [07:33:24] | xris: | I'm getting stuff like "dvdprobe.h:22:37: error: mythtv/dvdnav/ifo_types.h: No such file or directory" |
| [07:34:05] | xris: | this has been going on for more than a few days, though |
| [07:35:35] | xris: | hmm, I don't think I was running "svn update" properly |
| [07:36:31] | justinh: | wth is feng? |
| [07:37:48] | xris: | crap, it's like 90 minutes later than I wanted to go to sleep.. |
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| [07:56:03] | justinh: | cd concordance |
| [07:56:06] | justinh: | duh |
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| [08:01:50] | justinh: | balls. seems to configure ok but make fails really badly. myth is so much nicer |
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| [08:07:16] | ivor: | is it friday yet..... :/ |
| [08:07:28] | justinh: | nearly :) |
| [08:07:37] | justinh: | bah I was missing a boatload of python junk |
| [08:07:50] | justinh: | oh wait. I only needed say junk |
| [08:08:50] | justinh: | hey, it's not only friday tomorrow.. it |
| [08:08:56] | justinh: | duh. it's PAY DAY :) |
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| [08:15:17] | justinh: | pfft. make still isn't working. |
| [08:16:20] | justinh: | not exactly sure if this software is worth trying anyway, since there isn't really any indication of how it's supposed to be better than logitech's own – other than it'll run on loonics |
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| [08:23:27] | Wicked: | hello all. real weird problem all of a sudden mythtv isnt working. http://pastebin.com/m152fe7d7 ...i can log into the database fine from the command line...i havent changed anything with the database or mythtv |
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| [08:30:47] | justinh: | check all instances of config.xml and/or mysql/txt |
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| [08:33:11] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [08:33:13] | Wicked: | ok |
| [08:34:52] | Wicked: | everything looks good as far as passwords/users go |
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| [08:39:56] | ivor: | "i can log into the database fine from the command line" was that as the same user you kicked off mythbackend as? |
| [08:40:27] | Wicked: | yea. the back end is run by mythtv |
| [08:40:40] | Wicked: | mysql -umythtv -p |
| [08:40:44] | Wicked: | i can log like that |
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| [08:47:12] | ivor: | to the mythconverg database? |
| [08:47:18] | ivor: | mysql --user=mythtv --password=mythtv mythconverg |
| [08:47:18] | Wicked: | yes |
| [08:47:21] | ivor: | hmm |
| [08:47:27] | Wicked: | its really strange |
| [08:47:45] | Wicked: | i can login fine. i verified that i can login form this host in mysql |
| [08:47:48] | ivor: | so what *did* you update? :) |
| [08:47:53] | ivor: | new Qt version? |
| [08:48:00] | Wicked: | no |
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| [08:48:17] | Wicked: | i installed mythtv from subvesion....0.21 with fixes |
| [08:51:00] | ivor: | what distro? |
| [08:51:12] | Wicked: | ubuntu |
| [08:52:04] | ivor: | in your my.cnf try commenting out the "bind-address" line |
| [08:52:11] | Wicked: | see i was using the mytht provided by ubunut..but theres a bug in it that affects gnome-screensaver. so i was advised to update to latest 0.21 with fixes.....so i did all that....it seemed to work fine for a few days...no all of a sudden BOOM it doesnt work |
| [08:52:17] | Wicked: | tried that |
| [08:52:23] | ivor: | ok |
| [08:54:40] | ivor: | hmm you uninstalled an ubuntu mythtv package. any chance it also uninstalled some qt/mysql bits too? |
| [08:55:21] | Wicked: | i dont think it did. |
| [08:55:25] | Wicked: | this *did* work |
| [08:55:30] | Wicked: | then crapped out |
| [08:55:38] | ivor: | magically? |
| [08:56:13] | Wicked: | lol |
| [08:56:16] | Wicked: | i dont know |
| [08:56:26] | Wicked: | i havent changed anything |
| [08:59:41] | justinh: | myers |
| [09:00:08] | justinh: | haven't changed _anything_ at _all_ ? I'm not just talking about anything you might think is mythtv related |
| [09:00:23] | justinh: | do you have the qt mysql libs installed? |
| [09:01:59] | Wicked: | yea |
| [09:04:53] | Wicked: | brb gonna try a restart |
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| [09:11:50] | Kernel: | bah. sitll broken |
| [09:12:04] | justinh: | Oh well. Nevermind eh |
| [09:12:06] | Kernel is now known as Wicked | |
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| [10:42:45] | justinh: | wonder which theme(s) eejit boy was trying to convert |
| [10:43:08] | justinh: | be funny if it was something that already had a menu-ui.xml file |
| [10:45:05] | gbee: | did you port the menus of yours? |
| [10:46:32] | justinh: | yup, but maybe the format changed slightly |
| [10:47:10] | justinh: | I think it'd only be something like a change from buttonlist2 to buttonlist |
| [10:57:26] | justinh: | or maybe not. just checked some out & they look sane |
| [11:01:23] | justinh: | quote on El Reg from a game designer I can relate to : "I will go to the bathroom and try to poop and then I'll come up with a new idea." |
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| [11:12:14] | gbee: | my best ideas are had in the shower |
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| [11:13:42] | trontos: | anyone know how to get shepherd to read the new One channel guide? |
| [11:14:14] | pat_: | sorry, I use icetv |
| [11:14:14] | gbee: | give him reading glasses |
| [11:14:51] | trontos: | haha :( |
| [11:15:42] | pat_: | if you had the guide data you'd realise you're missing such treats as "worlds strongest man" at 3:15am |
| [11:16:49] | trontos: | really more interested in the ncaa and the f1 this weekend :P |
| [11:17:20] | trontos: | the guide is a bit screwy at the moment, some of it seems to have reverted to 10 and some of it is still one |
| [11:17:41] | pat_: | afl is on both if that is concerning you |
| [11:17:43] | pat_: | at the same time |
| [11:18:22] | trontos: | aerial ping pong?!? :) |
| [11:19:59] | trontos: | I think I might have to retune?!? |
| [11:20:29] | pat_: | I did it last weekend and it seems to work |
| [11:21:15] | trontos: | yeah, you're right, I did two and it knows that 12 is ONE Digital whereas shepherd doesn't know about ONE :( |
| [11:21:21] | trontos: | must be shepherd |
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| [11:24:09] | ** trontos wonders if he should muck about with the channel_list file ** | |
| [11:24:14] | trontos: | after making a backup :) |
| [11:33:31] | gbee: | ouch – http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a94559/ . . . efugees.html |
| [11:34:48] | ** gbee notices the date on that article and all the ones which suddenly appeared in the RSS feed ... ** | |
| [11:35:18] | justinh: | HEH |
| [11:35:47] | justinh: | doesn't change the fact they're evil lying feckers though |
| [11:35:57] | justinh: | or at the very least, the marketing company they use is |
| [11:36:38] | justinh: | seen it first hand,their droids saying things like "when analogue is switched off, you won't even be able to use cable" |
| [11:37:09] | justinh: | and other lies like "you can fully customise packages right down to every channel" |
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| [11:38:51] | justinh: | that aside, I have a policy of never signing up to anything where the salesperson has called me 'mate' |
| [11:41:29] | gbee: | Sky are relentless, they'd call a couple of times a month after cancelling, in the end I demanded my details be removed from their database |
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| [13:36:08] | gbee: | never noticed it before and I'd almost swear it wasn't a problem, but having real issues with judder and SD material – as though the frame rate was less than it should be |
| [13:36:34] | quicksilver: | something pumping interrupts into your system? |
| [13:36:48] | quicksilver: | unused RF remote picking up crap and wasting your kernel's time |
| [13:36:52] | gbee: | nah, nothing like that |
| [13:37:13] | quicksilver: | I have a pinnacle TV card whose RF remote picks up all kind of interference as 'unknown key press' |
| [13:37:17] | quicksilver: | most annoying :) |
| [13:37:28] | GrahamIRC: | that's not helpful! |
| [13:37:43] | quicksilver: | it doesn't really matter except it fills up dmesg and /var/log/messages |
| [13:37:45] | gbee: | tried a 2x deint feeling that it might make a difference, but whilst 2x Greedy looks great with HD it's useless with SD, same for yadif – makes everything blurry |
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| [13:38:27] | gbee: | bob 2x might have worked except it doesn't ... incompatible with the ATI drivers, ends up with 2 images on screen |
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| [13:38:55] | GrahamIRC: | probabaly the best thing you could do is invest in a cheap nvidia card |
| [13:39:05] | gbee: | nah, ATI FTW |
| [13:39:21] | GrahamIRC: | FTW? |
| [13:39:26] | gbee: | besides there is no free slot |
| [13:39:37] | GrahamIRC: | oh it's on-board? |
| [13:39:53] | gbee: | for the win – the embedded ATI IGP is beautiful, just doesn't happen to support bob |
| [13:40:02] | GrahamIRC: | ok |
| [13:40:15] | gbee: | GrahamIRC: yes and the only PCI-E slot is currently occupied |
| [13:40:24] | justinh: | gbee: reckon it's progressive/interlaced swapping weirdness? seen that a lot on C5 |
| [13:41:11] | gbee: | justinh: not if the OSD is accurate, it detects it as interlaced – but that said, I can't help wondering if it's not something in the stream itself |
| [13:41:16] | justinh: | gbee: if it was anything like the issues I had you'll see lots of buffer seeking in -v playback |
| [13:41:44] | justinh: | gbee: nah, mixtures like that mess up auto |
| [13:42:10] | justinh: | thevast majority of frames are interlaced |
| [13:42:34] | justinh: | setting it to interlaced manually in the OSD menu alleviates it here |
| [13:42:54] | gbee: | justinh: not really examined log output yet, but I'm seeing similar problems on both the dev and production frontends – had to be sure they are the same problem what with different hardware, huge differences in screen size etc |
| [13:43:32] | gbee: | justinh: ok, not the same thing, tried that already :/ |
| [13:43:47] | justinh: | IIRC stuarta still thinks there's some buffer overshooting going on |
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| [13:44:04] | justinh: | or rather, he did a while ago & AFAIK nothing has changed there |
| [13:44:11] | gbee: | I'll try some other recordings/channels, see whether it's specific to that one |
| [13:44:44] | justinh: | stripping non AV crap out of the recordings seemed to help it no end for me when I was plagued by it |
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| [13:45:16] | justinh: | but maybe it was more to do with remuxing |
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| [13:47:54] | gbee: | the problem is so bad that I can't believe I was just not seeing it before – which is why I'm pretty sure it's not hardware related |
| [13:48:22] | gbee: | possibly version related, so I'll go back over the -fixes changelog |
| [13:49:23] | gbee: | but otherwise that just leaves the stream itself |
| [13:50:17] | gbee: | my dev frontend is occassionally hitting 80% just decoding mpeg2 from freeview lately ... wonder if they aren't trying some weird new stuff :/ |
| [13:52:17] | justinh: | if they were, wouldn't it be affecting all of us? |
| [13:52:32] | justinh: | or at least those of us in the same region |
| [13:54:01] | gbee: | it should, if that was the cause |
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| [13:56:56] | gbee: | at least I resolved my hdmi audio dropout issue, just reverted the driver ... honestly that was bothering me before I noticed the juddering |
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| [14:04:19] | gbee: | hmm, just remembered that I upgraded that frontend to 2009 the other week ... that will likely be the cause, probably X :/ |
| [14:12:38] | GrahamIRC: | has anyone noticed that the flash streaming of recorded programs in Mythweb has broken? |
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| [14:13:39] | GrahamIRC: | It was working ok until the last upgrade from ATRPMS :-( |
| [14:16:11] | justinh: | oh you're running trunk |
| [14:16:27] | GrahamIRC: | ?? |
| [14:16:31] | ** sid3windr read 'drunk' and thought 'figures'" ** | |
| [14:16:32] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [14:16:33] | justinh: | BAD idea if you don't follow the -commits & -dev mailing lists |
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| [15:01:24] | Dibblah: | Bwa ha ha. |
| [15:01:26] | Dibblah: | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03/26/revie . . . urbo_264_hd/ |
| [15:01:55] | Dibblah: | _maybe_ not using a scene release filename in a screenshot would have been a better plan. |
| [15:04:57] | iamlindoro: | Dibblah: Hmm, for hardware encode, 115 fps at iPod resolution doesn't exactly set any speed records either |
| [15:06:21] | Dibblah: | To x264? |
| [15:06:26] | Dibblah: | Are you kidding? |
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| [15:06:36] | iamlindoro: | h.264, and no, I'm not kidding |
| [15:06:46] | iamlindoro: | 115 ain't that fast |
| [15:07:07] | iamlindoro: | not for iPod resolution, anyway |
| [15:08:13] | TTTgT: | anyone can help me? cannot compile mythhello using mythtv 0.22 |
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| [15:09:35] | iamlindoro: | TTTgT: That example plugin is a Qt3 plugin, and Myth trunk is Qt4 only |
| [15:09:47] | iamlindoro: | You would need to port the code to its Qt4 equivalent |
| [15:10:33] | TTTgT: | iamlindoro: hmm, that was my doubt |
| [15:11:36] | TTTgT: | iamlindoro: ok I'm going to try |
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| [15:19:27] | TTTgT: | iamlindoro: do u know an qt4 hello example? |
| [15:19:36] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [15:19:53] | TTTgT: | or any other really simple example? |
| [15:19:56] | iamlindoro: | you could look at some of the simpler actual plugins as an example |
| [15:20:18] | iamlindoro: | mythmovies might be a simple place to start |
| [15:20:25] | TTTgT: | thanks |
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| [16:01:40] | gbee: | not so sure about mythmovies personally, it's a mess, but then I can't think of anything else right now |
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| [16:04:51] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Yeah, I know it's not pretty, but wasn't sure what else qualified as simple either |
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| [16:06:21] | GrahamIRC: | is IRC ok?? |
| [16:06:21] | GrahamIRC: | getting loads of quit and join messages here! |
| [16:06:26] | gbee: | well it's use of a tree was the thing which marks it out as atypical |
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| [16:06:36] | sid3windr: | irc is usually dead |
| [16:06:39] | sid3windr: | and broken |
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| [16:08:23] | GrahamIRC: | lol good to know |
| [16:08:42] | iamlindoro: | netsplits are a fact of IRC life |
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| [16:08:50] | iamlindoro: | best to get used to them |
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| [16:10:08] | iamlindoro: | Quod Erat Demonstratum |
| [16:10:50] | iamlindoro: | er Demonstrandum, that is |
| [16:11:29] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [16:12:30] | iamlindoro: | http://www.geektonic.com/2009/03/media-gadget . . . r-pc_26.html |
| [16:12:36] | iamlindoro: | So geektonic is "showcasing" this setup |
| [16:12:46] | edannenbe: | just write qed :p |
| [16:12:53] | iamlindoro: | but AFAICT it's a series of wiring ratnests |
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| [16:17:05] | sid3windr: | enjoining wall |
| [16:17:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...make me appreciate my "overpriced Macs" |
| [16:17:08] | sid3windr: | isn't that adjoining? |
| [16:17:10] | sid3windr: | or is that something else |
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| [16:20:51] | sid3windr: | I like the remote via pda thing though |
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| [16:37:33] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: We already have that via iPhone in about three different ways |
| [16:37:43] | sid3windr: | except I don't have an iphone and never will have :P |
| [16:37:50] | sid3windr: | I do have a barely used PDA.. ;) |
| [16:37:52] | iamlindoro: | so buy an iPod Touch ;) |
| [16:38:28] | jarle: | Is this an error that I need to look into? "DVBChan(5:3) Warning: Your frequency setting (11223670) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000)" |
| [16:38:53] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: what's with the apple monopoly :> |
| [16:45:26] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: Why does my recommending using one of two apple products with custom remotes for myth constitute support of any sort of monopoly? |
| [16:45:49] | iamlindoro: | not to mention they have a monopoly on all of nothing |
| [16:46:23] | iamlindoro: | I don't mind/care if you use your PDA... but you'll have to write the cutom remote yourself |
| [16:46:26] | iamlindoro: | custom |
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| [16:46:59] | iamlindoro: | That's something I support too-- anything that makes myth better is a good thing, regardless of whose hardware |
| [16:47:20] | sid3windr: | :) that's true |
| [16:47:35] | sid3windr: | just a pity I'm not handy enough to write my own and don't own any apple products ;) |
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| [17:00:12] | meshe: | i got MyMote working on my iPhone after a bunch of fiddling around, it works pretty nice, i just with that the iPhone would connect to wifi faster |
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| [17:05:20] | GrahamIRC: | have you looked at AnyRemote? |
| [17:05:28] | GrahamIRC: | works nicely on my Nokia N82 |
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| [17:06:27] | Shadow__X: | what about n810 |
| [17:07:12] | GrahamIRC: | so long as it runs java and has at least one of wifi/bluetooth/gprs then I think it should work |
| [17:07:36] | iamlindoro: | the n810 has its own Myth remote |
| [17:08:05] | GrahamIRC: | cool |
| [17:08:08] | iamlindoro: | Mythetometer or some such |
| [17:08:14] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
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| [17:08:19] | Shadow__X: | forgot about that |
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| [17:08:31] | GrahamIRC: | AnyRemote is more generic, covering a host of devices and applications |
| [17:08:31] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc | |
| [17:08:46] | Shadow__X: | i will try it out again i wish i could watch recordings on it without much fuss |
| [17:08:56] | Shadow__X: | but thats more the n810 |
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| [17:09:35] | iamlindoro: | That's also not the function of a remote control |
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| [17:10:19] | Shadow__X: | no it isnt |
| [17:10:34] | kormoc: | I love my ipod touch remote |
| [17:11:32] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: I tried to say that, but then people were mean to me ;) |
| [17:11:44] | iamlindoro: | said I supported some sort of apple monopoly |
| [17:11:50] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [17:11:51] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [17:11:58] | sid3windr: | that's not what I said and you know it ;> |
| [17:11:58] | iamlindoro: | You know, the kind of monopoly you have when you have < 10% of the market ;) |
| [17:12:10] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: oh relax ;) |
| [17:12:18] | ** sid3windr buys an ipod remote :] ** | |
| [17:12:28] | sid3windr: | you actually made me look into buying it as a remote! |
| [17:12:32] | sid3windr: | but it's kinda expensive to use it just for that :P |
| [17:12:48] | kormoc: | well, I watch tv on it, it's a solid remote, and I enjoy it as a mp3 player.... |
| [17:12:55] | kormoc: | it's my laptop's laptop! |
| [17:13:10] | sid3windr: | oh, mythfrontend on the ipod? ;) |
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| [17:14:16] | GrahamIRC: | imythpod |
| [17:14:24] | GrahamIRC: | (C) |
| [17:14:38] | kormoc: | sid3windr, mythweb has specific ipod templates/functionality |
| [17:14:54] | sid3windr: | neat |
| [17:14:59] | Shadow__X: | what does it use the internal player? |
| [17:15:05] | sid3windr: | how I wish you had a nokia.. ;> |
| [17:15:06] | sid3windr: | lol |
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| [17:15:28] | sid3windr: | I don't think something without a touchscreen and with a small screen would be a handy remote :) |
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| [17:15:34] | EvilGuru: | I am planning to move my mythtvbox over to a much newer system in a week or so. However, I wish to preserve my current database. The new system has all of the same capture cards, bar one. Is this advised? |
| [17:15:46] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, aye, you transcode to mp4 and it streams to the device and uses the apple player |
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| [17:16:22] | Shadow__X: | hmmmm i might beable to use that on my n810 kormoc what version of mythtv is that applicable to |
| [17:16:45] | GrahamIRC: | I managed to get video from myth on to my PSP, that was cool! |
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| [17:16:54] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, -trunk |
| [17:17:26] | GrahamIRC: | I'd love to see these sort of interfaces built in to Myth, much like the flash streaming in Mythweb – and I'd love that to be extended to all media, not just tv recordings |
| [17:17:42] | GrahamIRC: | we'll get there ;-) |
| [17:17:57] | kormoc: | GrahamIRC, patches welcome, talk to mr. chase if you're gonna help |
| [17:18:12] | EvilGuru: | However, I am unsure if my two cards will get assigned the same DVB device in the new system, or if some udev magic is needed |
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| [17:19:31] | GrahamIRC: | I will if I have time, but I'm no programmer |
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| [17:19:42] | GrahamIRC: | well, not for the last 15 years! |
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| [17:20:29] | justinh: | I'm no programmer either. nothing but lack of motivation has ever stopped me |
| [17:20:30] | GrahamIRC: | lol |
| [17:20:31] | GrahamIRC: | time is my issue |
| [17:20:31] | justinh: | that's not to say I've never done anything though |
| [17:20:41] | justinh: | time is never an issue if you spend X hours in an IRC channel |
| [17:20:44] | justinh: | obviously |
| [17:20:51] | GrahamIRC: | I have a busy job in networks so not always wanting to spend more time on the PC outside of work |
| [17:21:04] | gbee: | ssh |
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| [17:21:24] | GrahamIRC: | I can chat without being distracted from work, but programming takes all my concentration |
| [17:21:43] | kormoc: | seems silly to ask others to spend their freetime on the pc after their IT day job when you don't want to yourself :P |
| [17:22:11] | justinh: | I start out very wide-eyed & keen. then by the time I'm about to fail I want the ground to swallow me up |
| [17:22:17] | GrahamIRC: | I'm not asking anyone to do anything |
| [17:22:28] | GrahamIRC: | just saying what would be nice to see :-) |
| [17:22:37] | justinh: | you know what would be _really_ nice? |
| [17:22:46] | GrahamIRC: | and I do contribute to all sorts of oss forums |
| [17:23:00] | GrahamIRC: | share my experience |
| [17:23:01] | GrahamIRC: | give my time |
| [17:23:04] | justinh: | for everybody who has ever said 'it'd be really nice/cool/great if .. ' actually did something :) |
| [17:23:24] | justinh: | sadly we live in the real world, so myth is as it is |
| [17:23:29] | GrahamIRC: | I've been writing a comprehensive guide to Myth on Fedora which I'll share on the forum when it's ready |
| [17:23:46] | GrahamIRC: | and myth is great as it is |
| [17:24:02] | GrahamIRC: | but that doesn't stop me wanting it to be greater |
| [17:24:06] | justinh: | in all kinds of ways some of us don't even realise ;) |
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| [17:24:35] | justinh: | like today when I was trying to build a harmony uploading program. yeesh. no clues why it wasn't building at all :-\ |
| [17:25:08] | GrahamIRC: | lol |
| [17:28:58] | kormoc: | GrahamIRC, myth doesn't have a forum |
| [17:29:06] | kormoc: | GrahamIRC, and what bout the current docs? |
| [17:29:25] | GrahamIRC: | the wiki then |
| [17:29:44] | GrahamIRC: | a lot of them are out of date |
| [17:29:51] | GrahamIRC: | and lack detail |
| [17:30:01] | justinh: | fighting the wiki is a losing battle |
| [17:30:12] | GrahamIRC: | I wanted to basically diary my build, step by step |
| [17:30:16] | justinh: | both in terms of style & content |
| [17:30:19] | GrahamIRC: | so it's repeatable by anyone |
| [17:30:59] | GrahamIRC: | so that someone with similar hardware and requirements can follow it and achieve the same results |
| [17:31:28] | GrahamIRC: | much of it is transferrable to other distros but some of it is necessarily specific |
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| [17:33:39] | justinh: | I thought about writing a myth howto once |
| [17:34:17] | justinh: | then I realised the reason why I failed so badly the first time I tried to install it. taking shortcuts. no point taking time to write a complete guide when noobs are so useless at following them |
| [17:35:12] | Shadow__X: | not all n00bs have trouble following instructions |
| [17:35:13] | justinh: | IMHO the problem isn't so much mythtv, it's everything else you need like lirc which turn out to be headaches |
| [17:35:29] | justinh: | and mysql configuration |
| [17:36:15] | justinh: | oh and starting out with too many unknowns.. like does the ****ing tuner hardware work in linux, and is the signal any good? |
| [17:36:25] | GrahamIRC: | exactly! |
| [17:36:29] | GrahamIRC: | which is why I cover all of that too |
| [17:36:50] | iamlindoro: | justinh: There was some wisdom to when Knoppmyth did their hardware reference spec, just never took hold |
| [17:36:56] | GrahamIRC: | I've reinstalled from scratch numerous times following my own guide and tweaking it where it doesn't work |
| [17:37:04] | justinh: | iamlindoro: because everybody else knows best! |
| [17:37:11] | iamlindoro: | yar |
| [17:37:22] | justinh: | the tuner is an oblong green thing with black things on it. same difference! |
| [17:38:26] | justinh: | heck even your splendid idea of the hd playback matrix has turned to mush :( |
| [17:38:58] | GrahamIRC: | I think you just have to do what you think is good and put it out there for others to use or not |
| [17:39:17] | GrahamIRC: | if it works for you then it'll probably be of use to others too |
| [17:39:20] | justinh: | though it could be helped if there was a set of reference files folks could use as THE benchmark |
| [17:39:31] | GrahamIRC: | definitely |
| [17:39:42] | GrahamIRC: | I've been looking at LinuxMCE too recently |
| [17:39:55] | justinh: | I looked at it once |
| [17:39:59] | GrahamIRC: | which has some really great features and promise |
| [17:40:03] | justinh: | even installed it. I was repulsed |
| [17:40:30] | GrahamIRC: | but I get the distinct impression that the project is being run for the commercial benefit of a few |
| [17:40:30] | wagnerrp: | GrahamIRC: the problem is linuxmce is running off a several year old and heavily modified chunk of mythtv |
| [17:40:46] | wagnerrp: | linuxmce is the opensource counterpart to Pluto Home |
| [17:41:06] | GrahamIRC: | because the hardware it runs on is so limited and only available from a very few people at silly prices |
| [17:41:08] | wagnerrp: | its the do-it-yourself version, effectively |
| [17:41:36] | GrahamIRC: | I like the aims, but I don't like the project at the moment |
| [17:42:08] | GrahamIRC: | so I figured I'll stick with myth+bits for now and take another look at LMCE when 0180 comes out |
| [17:42:23] | gbee: | every time I look at linuxmce I wonder just why people complain about the UI of myth (with all due respect to the guys involved, it's hardly simple or clutter free) |
| [17:42:30] | justinh: | if you have a house with 8+ rooms & want to put media in every room & control everything in the house.. and have tens of thousands of quids... |
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| [17:42:57] | GrahamIRC: | but I think it's going to continue to be appliance software that needs limited and often expensive kit to make it work, which is not the right ethos for the home enthusiast |
| [17:43:40] | GrahamIRC: | I want my system to run on anything and everything I have to hand |
| [17:43:45] | GrahamIRC: | that's what Linux does so well |
| [17:44:23] | GrahamIRC: | I don't care if it's a bit flakey at times – I wont have paid a fortune for the hardware it's running on |
| [17:44:39] | wagnerrp: | thats what LINUX does well, thats not what PREPACKAGED SYSTEMS do well |
| [17:44:40] | GrahamIRC: | and I will of had the pleasure of putting it all together myself |
| [17:44:45] | GrahamIRC: | that's half the fun, surely? |
| [17:44:52] | wagnerrp: | and thats the problem with linuxmce, and all-in-one systems in general |
| [17:44:56] | justinh: | GrahamIRC: I've lost all my recordings 0 times. My mate with Sky+ has lost his.. erm.. hmmm. he lost count |
| [17:45:12] | GrahamIRC: | ditto, never lost mine either |
| [17:45:27] | justinh: | and he's only had sky+ for 2 years |
| [17:45:27] | wagnerrp: | the only reason apple is able to provide a very clean UI (whether its to your tastes is irrelevant) is because they have a scarce few bits of hardware that it has to run on |
| [17:45:47] | GrahamIRC: | and even tho my current hardware is a little flakey (soon to be replaced) and crashes a few times a week, I've never lost anything |
| [17:45:49] | justinh: | wagnerrp: and they tend to lack features, concentrating only on core components |
| [17:46:08] | wagnerrp: | like the ability to copy and paste text |
| [17:46:11] | justinh: | by 0.22 myth will never have looked as good or have worked so well |
| [17:46:17] | wagnerrp: | or have multiple buttons on your remote, or mouse |
| [17:46:26] | justinh: | six! |
| [17:46:27] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, stop the fud... christ... |
| [17:46:38] | GrahamIRC: | I've been with Myth for 2 or 3 years now and it just keeps getting better! |
| [17:47:01] | meshe: | i'm so excited, we get copy and paste in June! |
| [17:47:07] | justinh: | wonder how many people have ended up in deep but they only started out wanting to record a few shows a week |
| [17:47:10] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: im just saying if you want to be able to control things yourself, youre going to have a lot of work to do |
| [17:47:16] | GrahamIRC: | it's not really fud – it's the pro's and cons of open versus closed |
| [17:47:43] | wagnerrp: | you get a nice clean system with no effort from apple |
| [17:47:46] | wagnerrp: | but you dont really control it |
| [17:47:49] | justinh: | I'm being very careful what I say about other projects these days incase their admins come here moaning about me |
| [17:47:49] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, GrahamIRC, telling lies about functionality only weakens your argument |
| [17:47:53] | GrahamIRC: | but you only get to do what they allow you to do |
| [17:48:09] | GrahamIRC: | lies about functionality? |
| [17:48:12] | kormoc: | Yes |
| [17:48:16] | GrahamIRC: | where? |
| [17:48:28] | wagnerrp: | i know they have copy and paste now, but they didnt used to |
| [17:48:29] | kormoc: | You can use multi button mice, the remote has more then one button... |
| [17:48:35] | wagnerrp: | just used it as a comedic example |
| [17:48:35] | meshe: | kormoc: are you going to linuxfest NW? |
| [17:48:44] | kormoc: | my mouse I use with os x has bout 18 buttons... |
| [17:48:53] | kormoc: | meshe, Aye! You guys planning to make it? |
| [17:48:59] | meshe: | thinking about it |
| [17:49:01] | wagnerrp: | have they shipped a multi-button mouse with a system yet? |
| [17:49:14] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yes, the super mouse, comes standard for the past two years |
| [17:49:16] | GrahamIRC: | how did we get on to mice and OSX? lol |
| [17:49:22] | meshe: | i just checked the site and saw that it was coming up |
| [17:49:32] | wagnerrp: | i thought the mighty mouse was only available as an add-on |
| [17:49:47] | wagnerrp: | mighty mouse? or super mouse? |
| [17:50:03] | meshe: | kormoc: were you saying that you set up a mythtv booth? |
| [17:50:12] | kormoc: | meshe, aye, myself and xris did the past two years |
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| [17:50:18] | meshe: | sweet |
| [17:50:41] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, Mighty Mouse sorry |
| [17:50:48] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, they've been shipping it as part for awhile now |
| [17:51:11] | wagnerrp: | ah, its not stock, but its available as an option at time of purchase |
| [17:51:18] | kormoc: | erm |
| [17:51:23] | kormoc: | it's stock for the mac pros at least |
| [17:51:37] | wagnerrp: | oh, did not know that |
| [17:51:55] | Shadow__X: | the laptops have gestures to act like a right click |
| [17:52:53] | kormoc: | the mouse I use has 9 buttons and two scroll wheels, works great in osx, no drivers needed, all the stuff is programmable to whatever.... |
| [17:53:08] | Shadow__X: | what crazy mouse is that |
| [17:53:27] | kormoc: | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointe . . . amp;cl=US,EN |
| [17:53:48] | meshe: | kormoc: i'm suprised that i didn't see your booth 2 years ago, but then i wasn't playing with myth back then |
| [17:54:11] | Shadow__X: | where is this even and where is the info about it |
| [17:55:01] | kormoc: | meshe, two years ago we were basically directly across from the FSF booth, http://gallery.brianlane.com/v/LFNW_2007/P1010035.JPG.html |
| [17:55:12] | meshe: | http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/ |
| [17:55:52] | kormoc: | Sadly no party this year it seems :( |
| [17:56:13] | Shadow__X: | kormoc, hows the wireless on that work i had a cheaper logitech setup http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/k . . . amp;cl=us,en worse thing i ever bought the keyboard will stick on one for for no reason |
| [17:56:19] | Shadow__X: | and the mouse is horrible |
| [17:56:28] | Shadow__X: | but i guess i should of spent more |
| [17:56:31] | kormoc: | never had a problem |
| [17:58:06] | justinh: | there seems to be a distinct lack of UK linux shindigs this year again |
| [17:58:18] | meshe: | kormoc: cool, hopefully i'll be able to make it this year |
| [17:58:30] | Shadow__X: | is there anything specific for east coast? |
| [17:58:40] | justinh: | linuxworld were threatening to announce a show last year but nothing ever came of it |
| [17:58:45] | meshe: | where about east coast? |
| [17:58:55] | Shadow__X: | nj area |
| [17:59:46] | justinh: | hmmm. new deinterlacer for use with interlaced modes. wtf? |
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| [18:00:21] | Shadow__X: | or northeastern us |
| [18:01:29] | meshe: | there's an Ontario one in October |
| [18:01:42] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [18:01:58] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, there's a pile of ones in NYC |
| [18:02:03] | meshe: | http://onlinux.ca |
| [18:02:14] | Shadow__X: | ah ok where would i find info about the ones in nyc |
| [18:02:21] | meshe: | google :) |
| [18:02:38] | meshe: | linux conference new york |
| [18:02:43] | meshe: | linux fest new york |
| [18:02:45] | linagee: | what's with the two week dry spell on TV? is there another stuper bowl or something? |
| [18:02:45] | meshe: | that kinda thing |
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| [18:02:59] | linagee: | my mythtv box is getting hungry for new shows |
| [18:03:07] | meshe: | linagee: sorry, that's not something we can support ;) |
| [18:03:09] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, get in touch with your local LUG? |
| [18:03:24] | linagee: | meshe: ?!?? just call up the networks and *make* them put new shows out ther. :) |
| [18:03:27] | Shadow__X: | whats lug |
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| [18:03:31] | kormoc: | sure we can! Just setup a recording rule for '%' |
| [18:03:37] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, Linux Users Group |
| [18:03:37] | justinh: | loonix user group |
| [18:03:43] | meshe: | Shadow__X: linux users group |
| [18:03:43] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [18:04:13] | meshe: | www.njlug.org |
| [18:04:31] | justinh: | hrm. there was a uk linux expo last year in london after all. nothing announced for this year yet |
| [18:04:39] | iamlindoro: | speaking of that... I think I'll release a distro where every command is randomly aliased to another command on each reboot |
| [18:04:41] | justinh: | LRL doesn't count |
| [18:04:45] | iamlindoro: | I'll call it Lunatix |
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| [18:05:55] | justinh: | iamlindoro: that might stop people rebooting when they try to solve problems :P |
| [18:06:52] | linagee: | wow. tv.com just died. ack. |
| [18:07:03] | iamlindoro: | long live ttvdb! |
| [18:07:09] | meshe: | i wish i could make it to YAPC::NA, but the company just cut all conference budgets :S |
| [18:07:33] | meshe: | stupid recession |
| [18:07:51] | linagee: | meshe: is that why my shows disappeared for two weeks? did they get recession-ed? :( |
| [18:08:02] | meshe: | hehe, maybe, or it could be that tv networks suck |
| [18:08:22] | linagee: | or are advertisers smarter now and stopped paying for tv when people are just going to skip the commercials? lol |
| [18:08:25] | justinh: | linagee: not yet |
| [18:08:26] | iamlindoro: | ABC is the worst offender of this season IMO |
| [18:08:33] | linagee: | it's all mythtv and tivo's fault! :-> |
| [18:08:39] | linagee: | justinh: lets hope not ever |
| [18:08:44] | meshe: | pvr's are the death of broadcasting |
| [18:08:49] | justinh: | turn to camera, little product into view of camera & smile a cheesy grin |
| [18:09:22] | linagee: | meshe: they could always advertise in shows. lol. of course if they do that more than like 1% of the time, it will annoy people so much they will just stop watching. :) |
| [18:09:38] | meshe: | linagee: it sounds like you think they aren't |
| [18:09:41] | iamlindoro: | They already do that more than 1% of the time |
| [18:09:42] | iamlindoro: | NISSAN VERSA! |
| [18:09:55] | linagee: | meshe: right in the middle of a show, "i'm jack bauer. and i use a sprint phone." shoots bad guys |
| [18:10:01] | meshe: | NEEEESAN WERSA |
| [18:10:21] | iamlindoro: | Not only did they do it in that case, they made it a PLOT POINT, ugh |
| [18:10:22] | linagee: | meshe: if you watch heros, you'd see mika (sp) had a closeup of his phone with a VERY clear sprint logo. i was like, WTF! get out of my shows! :( |
| [18:11:01] | meshe: | they are more subtle than that, but usually, my husband and i watch for product placements, it's almost a game |
| [18:11:03] | linagee: | iamlindoro: did they actually say the name brand? *face slap* |
| [18:11:14] | iamlindoro: | linagee: Didn't you watch the first season of heroes? |
| [18:11:23] | linagee: | iamlindoro: yes |
| [18:11:27] | iamlindoro: | Two whole *episodes* hinged on "getting a Nissan Versa" |
| [18:11:31] | linagee: | LOL |
| [18:11:32] | linagee: | oh yeah |
| [18:11:36] | iamlindoro: | ostensibly because it was "in the comic book" |
| [18:11:53] | linagee: | iamlindoro: did he say something like, "i'll just go to my bank and ask for a loan and head down to the dealership!" hahahah. :( |
| [18:11:55] | iamlindoro: | Or how about season two, when HRG gives claire the family car |
| [18:11:58] | meshe: | i'm buying a Yaris instead ;) |
| [18:12:00] | iamlindoro: | and she proclaims... |
| [18:12:07] | iamlindoro: | "The NISSAN ROGUE?" |
| [18:12:22] | meshe: | versa has too many hard lines |
| [18:12:22] | linagee: | meshe: is that what the TV told you to buy? |
| [18:12:22] | meshe: | nah, it's what i prefer |
| [18:12:29] | Shadow__X: | horrible eh |
| [18:12:29] | meshe: | i've rented both a versa and yaris |
| [18:12:33] | linagee: | must... obey... TV.... |
| [18:12:54] | Shadow__X: | yaris atleast gets good mpg right |
| [18:12:57] | meshe: | apple told me to buy iphone, so i bought 2 |
| [18:12:59] | linagee: | wrong |
| [18:13:03] | linagee: | Shadow__X: get a civic. :) |
| [18:13:07] | Shadow__X: | no |
| [18:13:11] | kormoc: | My car is lucky to get 18 MPG |
| [18:13:17] | linagee: | Shadow__X: civic gets better mileage |
| [18:13:19] | meshe: | yaris gets great mpg, 35–50 |
| [18:13:20] | gbee: | ouch |
| [18:13:20] | Shadow__X: | i have a saturn sc2 i got 40 highway |
| [18:13:27] | linagee: | i routinely get 38mpg in my civic. non-hybrid! |
| [18:13:33] | kormoc: | gbee, it's worth it |
| [18:13:47] | Shadow__X: | going 60 mph i can def easily do 40mpg |
| [18:13:55] | linagee: | meshe: who would actually buy a new car. if you buy used, you hurt the dealers more. this is a *good* thing. |
| [18:14:02] | gbee: | Shadow__X: that's lousy when there are cars out there getting 50–60mpg in traffic |
| [18:14:11] | meshe: | linagee: i like new cars |
| [18:14:14] | kormoc: | I buy new |
| [18:14:18] | Shadow__X: | gbee, are you talking about us or uk |
| [18:14:19] | kormoc: | I don't want to deal with crap |
| [18:14:20] | Shadow__X: | i am in us |
| [18:14:22] | ** iamlindoro wonders why hurting the dealers is a good thing ** | |
| [18:14:31] | linagee: | iamlindoro: because they suck. :) |
| [18:14:42] | meshe: | new cars == take back to the dealership if theres a problem, used == fix it yourself |
| [18:14:43] | iamlindoro: | They sell a product, there's adequate competition, and the industry employs millions upon millions of people |
| [18:14:49] | linagee: | iamlindoro: doing shady things is evil. and dealers do every shady thing in the book. |
| [18:15:01] | iamlindoro: | If you don't like the way your dealer behaves, go to another dealer |
| [18:15:11] | kormoc: | 232 MPG, http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/07/laugh-at-high-g.html |
| [18:15:16] | linagee: | meshe: fixing cars is super easy. you can also get bids from mechanics if it's something you can't do yourself. |
| [18:15:25] | linagee: | meshe: i change my own oil and transmission fluid. |
| [18:15:36] | meshe: | linagee: i know, i can rebuild an engine, i just don't want to |
| [18:15:38] | justinh: | that isn't _fixing_ a car |
| [18:15:45] | linagee: | justinh: it's maintaining it |
| [18:16:06] | justinh: | that's saving yourself pennies compared to how much a stealer charges for major things which go wrong |
| [18:16:15] | linagee: | justinh: name a dealer that gives free oil changes for the life of the vehicle. (and isn't some sort of $100k car) |
| [18:16:25] | meshe: | i had my last car for 12 years and did almost all of the repairs myself after the warranty expired, from now on i just want to buy a new car every 3 years |
| [18:16:46] | linagee: | meshe: wow you must be rich |
| [18:16:53] | linagee: | meshe: or just very not smart with money |
| [18:17:19] | linagee: | meshe: if you don't like problems, car shop for a car that doesn't have them. :) take it to a mechanic before buying. |
| [18:17:21] | meshe: | not rich, but my time is better spent elsewhere |
| [18:17:54] | meshe: | "car shop for a car that doesn't have them" hahahahahahaha |
| [18:18:12] | linagee: | meshe: all cars will inevitably need maintenance/repairs. timing belts break regularly, brakes need repairs, tires need to be changed, wheels need to be aligned. you don't escape that with a new car. lol. |
| [18:18:51] | meshe: | yeah, but the dealer can deal with all of that on a new car |
| [18:18:52] | gbee: | linagee: with the right model, trade in after 3 years is worthwhile – buy some shitheap new in the first place and yes, after 3 years it will be worthless |
| [18:19:06] | linagee: | parts with rubber and metal as a joint break. (engine mounts, wheel thingies, etc.) |
| [18:19:09] | meshe: | timing belts need to be replaced every 100,000 miles, i'll trade it in by then |
| [18:19:24] | meshe: | if it goes while i still have it, it's under warranty |
| [18:19:25] | linagee: | meshe: ouch. |
| [18:19:28] | meshe: | warranty |
| [18:19:37] | meshe: | ie: someone elses problem |
| [18:20:03] | meshe: | hey, i kept a Dodge Neon running for 12 years, i know something about cars ;) |
| [18:20:08] | linagee: | meshe: you can buy an extended used car warranty if you like playing with insurance. it's usually a losing bet though. they know it will need to be changed so they're going to charge you enough in premiums to cover it. |
| [18:21:02] | meshe: | leasing is actually set up for exactly what I want to do |
| [18:21:14] | gbee: | are US made cars still at the bottom of the reliability and build quality tables? |
| [18:21:27] | linagee: | gbee: lol. i never said to buy US. that would just be silly. lol. |
| [18:21:29] | wagnerrp: | the dodge neon existed 12 years ago? |
| [18:21:31] | Shadow__X: | depends on the car |
| [18:21:36] | Shadow__X: | whoa whoa |
| [18:21:39] | meshe: | mine was a 1995 |
| [18:21:46] | Shadow__X: | i love us cars |
| [18:21:57] | meshe: | had to get rid of it in 2k7 |
| [18:21:58] | linagee: | i'm sure mechanics love them too. lol |
| [18:22:12] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was the plymouth neon, until plymouth disbanded about 10 years ago |
| [18:22:20] | Shadow__X: | watch top gear when they review the cts v zr1 and dodge challenger |
| [18:22:39] | meshe: | it was plymouth till 93/94ish, then it became dodge neon |
| [18:22:49] | gbee: | linagee: heh, was a standalone question, I was genuinely interested to know if they had pulled themselves together yet – not really expecting a Skoda style turnaround, but still :) |
| [18:22:53] | Shadow__X: | honestly more times than not it depends how you take care of the car |
| [18:22:54] | linagee: | Shadow__X: why would i buy a car at twice the price with the same function as the lower priced car? that's like buying a house in california when you can get more sqft/$ in any other state. |
| [18:23:11] | Shadow__X: | linagee, look at saturn cars |
| [18:23:13] | meshe: | then chrysler neon till they discontinued them |
| [18:23:14] | wagnerrp: | i know Top Gear loved the early 2k's GTO |
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| [18:23:23] | wagnerrp: | of course that was actually an Aussie car |
| [18:23:37] | Shadow__X: | dent resistant doors and good gas milage and still peppy |
| [18:23:50] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, i hate the gto |
| [18:23:56] | Shadow__X: | or atleast the new one |
| [18:23:58] | linagee: | Shadow__X: wtf does peppy mean? high horse power and low mileage during those times of high engine load? no thanks! |
| [18:24:02] | Shadow__X: | yeah it was a holden remake |
| [18:24:05] | gbee: | Shadow__X: err, yeah, as in with a Honda you don't have to take care of it – but a US car needs constant care and attention, tucking in at night after a bedtime story :p |
| [18:24:15] | iamlindoro: | linagee: What good would a gigantic house in Montana do me when I a) enjoy living in CA and b) would be forced to live in Montana. |
| [18:24:27] | Shadow__X: | uh i havnt done work to my car t works fine |
| [18:24:38] | linagee: | iamlindoro: what's wrong with b? if you lived in CA, you'd be upside down by now. LOL |
| [18:24:38] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: they said it was just a fun car to drive |
| [18:24:50] | iamlindoro: | linagee: I *do* live (and own a home) in CA |
| [18:24:51] | Shadow__X: | by peppy i get 40 mpg and i still have hp to go where as most time you have to decide |
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| [18:25:10] | iamlindoro: | I would rather *live* in CA. So obviously the extra cost is worth it to me. Who are you to judge my choice? |
| [18:25:11] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, other cars are fun to drive |
| [18:25:13] | linagee: | iamlindoro: i moved out of CA. just before the housing crash too. yay! |
| [18:25:18] | iamlindoro: | Why not mind your own business? |
| [18:25:35] | linagee: | iamlindoro: did you see that southpark episode? lol |
| [18:25:35] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, its too easy to judge others |
| [18:25:40] | iamlindoro: | WTF does it matter to you what other people do with their money? |
| [18:25:44] | linagee: | iamlindoro: margaritaville? |
| [18:26:08] | gbee: | and there is a difference between liking a car for it's raw performance and considering it well built and reliable – iirc Clarkson bought a Challenger and it was in the garage for repairs more often than it was on the road (reference to that in one of the episodes) |
| [18:26:13] | linagee: | iamlindoro: it matters if you can't pay your mortgage. otherwise, have fun in your mcmansion. |
| [18:26:38] | iamlindoro: | linagee: So by knowing what state I live it you manage to conclude that I live in a mcMansion? |
| [18:26:43] | Shadow__X: | gbee, i dont like dodge |
| [18:26:49] | iamlindoro: | Your argument is becoming more an more tenuous |
| [18:26:58] | linagee: | iamlindoro: mcmansion means high $/sqft, it has nothing to do with the overall size of the house. |
| [18:27:20] | iamlindoro: | That's not what a mcmansion is at *all* |
| [18:27:20] | Shadow__X: | i have seen horrible honda and toyotas needing services too |
| [18:27:30] | linagee: | iamlindoro: million dollar 1,000 sqft house. lol |
| [18:27:34] | iamlindoro: | A mcMansion is a house that is made in assembly-line fashion |
| [18:27:41] | iamlindoro: | has nothing to do with cost per square foot |
| [18:27:52] | iamlindoro: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMansion |
| [18:27:53] | ** meshe laughs ** | |
| [18:28:00] | iamlindoro: | Tell me more about me, I'm enthralled |
| [18:28:35] | linagee: | iamlindoro: then what is a million dollar 1,000 sqft house called? just overpriced? |
| [18:29:02] | iamlindoro: | You can call it anything you like, besides McMansion, as that's not what the term means |
| [18:29:26] | iamlindoro: | You're making arguments about people's choices, but using words you don't even uderstand-- it doesn't lend much credence to the argument. |
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| [18:32:44] | linagee: | Shadow__X: don't buy them |
| [18:32:54] | Shadow__X: | dont buy wha |
| [18:33:03] | linagee: | "< Shadow__X> i have seen horrible honda and toyotas needing services too" |
| [18:33:34] | Shadow__X: | right in my experience yes as there are some cars that are prone to needing service for the most part its how the car has been treated |
| [18:33:44] | Shadow__X: | there are exceptions on both sides |
| [18:33:46] | gbee: | so have I ... mind you, they were 15 years old at the time |
| [18:33:48] | linagee: | Shadow__X: better sensors would seem to fix that |
| [18:34:08] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [18:34:11] | linagee: | Shadow__X: if a sensor says, "this engine is crap", and you happened to see that prior to purchase, you'd definitely not buy it. :) |
| [18:34:27] | meshe: | haha |
| [18:34:33] | linagee: | Shadow__X: buying an unknown box seems to be the problem. |
| [18:34:37] | Shadow__X: | uh i have seen engine issues in alot of cars |
| [18:34:48] | linagee: | Shadow__X: did they have OBD codes? |
| [18:34:55] | meshe: | a friend of ours is driving a ford taurus with 265,000 on the ODO |
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| [18:35:07] | Shadow__X: | i didnt have a box on me |
| [18:35:07] | Shadow__X: | but yes |
| [18:35:20] | meshe: | every 5,000 in for an oil change and service |
| [18:35:26] | linagee: | Shadow__X: i take mine whenever i buy a car. lol. not like it's infalable, like i said they need better sensors, but at least it's better than not. |
| [18:35:47] | Shadow__X: | depends |
| [18:36:08] | linagee: | Shadow__X: take the example of a high end server. it will have more environmental sensors and things that say "this part is bad" than a desktop. even cable detection sensors a lot of the times now. so you know when it's a loose cable. |
| [18:36:30] | Shadow__X: | eh |
| [18:36:34] | linagee: | some laptops have that as well. makes it a lot easier to diagnose stuff. |
| [18:36:51] | Shadow__X: | if you are good enough you dont need sensors |
| [18:36:54] | Shadow__X: | sensors malfunction too |
| [18:37:01] | Shadow__X: | if you knew about cars you would know that |
| [18:37:09] | Shadow__X: | there are faulty sensors all the time |
| [18:37:28] | linagee: | Shadow__X: if a bad engine is being sold at a higher price than it should be to someone unknowing, that's when the real old car inflation begins. lol. instead of paying $200 for a car that needs a new engine, you'll pay $1000 for it because it seems to run fine. heh. |
| [18:37:51] | Shadow__X: | what where do yo uget this idea |
| [18:37:52] | linagee: | (prices may not be realistic, but i hope you get the point) |
| [18:38:06] | Shadow__X: | there is no way you can get fooled by a "bad engine" |
| [18:38:09] | Shadow__X: | if its bad you will know |
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| [18:38:16] | Shadow__X: | there isnt any fooling that |
| [18:38:21] | Shadow__X: | if you hear rod knock |
| [18:38:25] | Shadow__X: | you hear rod knock |
| [18:38:35] | Shadow__X: | if you hear lifters chattering you hear it |
| [18:38:44] | linagee: | Shadow__X: maybe a sucker can't tell the difference. and maybe they buy it. artificially raising prices for that car. |
| [18:38:55] | Shadow__X: | that will happen across any brand |
| [18:39:15] | Shadow__X: | thats more people intelligence and ability to be fooled |
| [18:39:16] | linagee: | Shadow__X: the more this happens, the more it "sucks to buy a used car". |
| [18:39:22] | Shadow__X: | uh sure |
| [18:39:26] | Shadow__X: | or learn about cars |
| [18:39:26] | linagee: | Shadow__X: otherwise, who cares? |
| [18:39:38] | linagee: | Shadow__X: buy used and pay a mechanic to fix it. still come out ahead in price. |
| [18:39:42] | Shadow__X: | that can be said about anything |
| [18:39:50] | Shadow__X: | like dont buy used refrigerators |
| [18:40:00] | Shadow__X: | since you arent certified you dont know waht your buying |
| [18:40:03] | linagee: | Shadow__X: just trying to defeat meshe's argument of "buy new and you won't have problems" |
| [18:40:05] | Shadow__X: | dont buy used comps |
| [18:40:16] | Shadow__X: | a voltage regulator can be an issue at 100 percent load |
| [18:40:32] | Shadow__X: | you can have a problem anywhere used or old |
| [18:40:36] | Shadow__X: | with new there is a warranty |
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| [18:40:40] | meshe: | i didn't say you wouldn't have problems, i just said that the dealership would fix them if it's under warranty |
| [18:40:42] | Shadow__X: | there are pros and cons to anything |
| [18:40:47] | linagee: | Shadow__X: i can buy a warranty for my car at any time. |
| [18:40:52] | Shadow__X: | hf with that |
| [18:40:56] | Shadow__X: | i fix my own cars |
| [18:41:16] | linagee: | Shadow__X: lots of places like this exist: http://warrantyworld.com/ |
| [18:41:25] | Shadow__X: | right and alot of them sound like scams |
| [18:41:28] | linagee: | selling third party aftermarket warranties |
| [18:41:38] | Shadow__X: | sure |
| [18:41:40] | Shadow__X: | do that |
| [18:41:44] | Shadow__X: | i rather do my own work |
| [18:41:47] | linagee: | Shadow__X: new car dealer warranties are scams too. especially if they get you to pay more for it. lol. |
| [18:41:51] | linagee: | Shadow__X: same here. i do as well. |
| [18:42:01] | Shadow__X: | changing oil isnt fixing |
| [18:42:08] | linagee: | Shadow__X: it was just an example |
| [18:42:11] | Shadow__X: | i bought a car with a blown motor because it was cheaper |
| [18:42:18] | Shadow__X: | and did a motor swap |
| [18:42:22] | linagee: | Shadow__X: yikes. i don't have an engine crane though. heh |
| [18:42:29] | linagee: | Shadow__X: YMMV |
| [18:42:31] | Shadow__X: | not bad at all |
| [18:42:44] | linagee: | Shadow__X: did you rent one or something? |
| [18:42:50] | Shadow__X: | no dad has one |
| [18:42:55] | linagee: | oic. |
| [18:42:55] | Shadow__X: | used that |
| [18:43:06] | Shadow__X: | motor swap and new clutch |
| [18:43:08] | Shadow__X: | done |
| [18:43:49] | linagee: | Shadow__X: i don't think i would break even on an engine crane for just swapping one time |
| [18:43:52] | Shadow__X: | technically i could of rebuilt it but the previous owner beat that engine |
| [18:44:11] | linagee: | Shadow__X: lol. just buy one on ebay or something. hahaha |
| [18:44:16] | Shadow__X: | yeah i could still sell the car and make a proffit |
| [18:44:26] | Shadow__X: | no local junkyard |
| [18:44:37] | linagee: | that works too |
| [18:44:38] | Shadow__X: | and i like the car so it has been reliable |
| [18:44:54] | Shadow__X: | a junkyard motor and knock on wood it has been reliable |
| [18:44:56] | Shadow__X: | no issues |
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| [18:45:29] | linagee: | Shadow__X: it's pretty sick that i can buy one on ebay for like $350. lol. |
| [18:45:35] | Shadow__X: | buy what |
| [18:45:47] | linagee: | Shadow__X: makes me wonder what the chassis itself is worth. an engine. |
| [18:45:49] | Shadow__X: | ah |
| [18:46:01] | Shadow__X: | it all depends on the motor and how popular it is |
| [18:46:05] | Shadow__X: | also how many there are |
| [18:46:43] | linagee: | yep |
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| [18:46:51] | linagee: | Shadow__X: and how gray it is. LOL |
| [18:47:00] | Shadow__X: | gray |
| [18:47:04] | Shadow__X: | dont you mean black |
| [18:47:06] | linagee: | Shadow__X: i wonder if anyone is out there popping open hoods on cars ripping out engines. LOL |
| [18:47:17] | linagee: | Shadow__X: a parking lot full of gold! rofl |
| [18:47:33] | Shadow__X: | uh it happens apparently you have not heard of hondas being stolen and being stripped |
| [18:47:40] | linagee: | yikes. scary. |
| [18:47:51] | Shadow__X: | i have driven civics comparable to my saturn |
| [18:47:56] | Shadow__X: | i would pick saturn each time |
| [18:48:03] | Shadow__X: | but thats me |
| [18:48:07] | Shadow__X: | i also prefer american |
| [18:48:13] | GrahamIRC: | I thought I was in the Mythtv-users chat! |
| [18:48:13] | Shadow__X: | personal choice |
| [18:48:22] | Shadow__X: | GrahamIRC, you would be mistaken |
| [18:48:28] | GrahamIRC: | clearly! |
| [18:48:37] | GrahamIRC: | so mythv – anyone put it in a car yet? |
| [18:48:53] | linagee: | GrahamIRC: welcome to mythtv-misc |
| [18:49:10] | GrahamIRC: | a carputer is another thing I'm researching at the mo |
| [18:49:10] | linagee: | GrahamIRC: watch tv and drive? :) |
| [18:49:30] | GrahamIRC: | passengers watch, driver drives |
| [18:49:33] | Shadow__X: | when there is a majority of men in a chan a discussion of woman or cars is immanent |
| [18:49:39] | linagee: | grahamirc: give me a self-driving car and i would need a mythtv in a car. |
| [18:49:39] | GrahamIRC: | very true lol |
| [18:49:42] | iamlindoro: | MYTHTV TALK NOW |
| [18:49:59] | linagee: | iamlindoro: "HELLO MICHAEL" *red back and forth* |
| [18:50:10] | linagee: | whirrr whirrr |
| [18:50:14] | Shadow__X: | theres a mythtv front end build for the n810 |
| [18:50:16] | GrahamIRC: | perhaps we should also start a "women and cars bollox" room? |
| [18:50:37] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: Fairly easy, the n810 just runs debian, and all the Qt stuf is there |
| [18:50:40] | GrahamIRC: | that might be interesting to look at |
| [18:50:43] | linagee: | iamlindoro: MYTHTV RELEASE CAR ANTITANK MISSLES NOW |
| [18:50:48] | Shadow__X: | no GrahamIRC then we would talk about mythtv |
| [18:50:49] | linagee: | or net or whatever kit had |
| [18:50:57] | GrahamIRC: | lol |
| [18:51:06] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, yeah but although that is true i have already trashed an install trying to install rdiff-backup |
| [18:51:20] | Shadow__X: | also processing videos natively isnt that great |
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| [18:51:30] | iamlindoro: | that's because it's puny hardware :) |
| [18:51:48] | linagee: | QA is to production as A-Team is to Knightrider. |
| [18:51:57] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, whats better at the same size running linux |
| [18:52:23] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: Nothing. This is why full frontends aren't the right way to go on portable devices. |
| [18:52:53] | Shadow__X: | right so whats a good way to get video on there |
| [18:52:59] | Shadow__X: | i dont need live tv |
| [18:53:01] | iamlindoro: | But the forthcoming Tegras look secksy |
| [18:53:14] | Shadow__X: | tegras? |
| [18:53:14] | ** Shadow__X searches ** | |
| [18:53:29] | linagee: | has anyone heard of mediaflo? i don't get it. put a TV tuner in a portable media device and it pretty much gets rid of the need for mediaflo |
| [18:53:30] | iamlindoro: | transcode as part of a user job to something the device can handle, then hack download links into mythweb |
| [18:54:12] | Shadow__X: | would i be able to get it to stream i dont want to download |
| [18:54:32] | linagee: | is there any way to run transcode jobs immediately after recording instead of waiting until midnight to run jobs? :( |
| [18:54:45] | linagee: | ^--- finally a real mythtv question |
| [18:54:54] | GrahamIRC: | it's a config option I think linagee |
| [18:55:02] | linagee: | GrahamIRC: through the gui? |
| [18:55:06] | GrahamIRC: | yep |
| [18:55:12] | linagee: | ack i don't run a gui. :( |
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| [18:55:26] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, just found it wow i want that in my n810 |
| [18:55:33] | GrahamIRC: | or you can kick the job off manually for each program through the gui or mythweb |
| [18:55:46] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X: The tegras are a whole device, you can't add it to your n810 |
| [18:55:58] | iamlindoro: | it's a whole chipset and processor for building MIDs and Mobiles |
| [18:56:04] | Shadow__X: | oh ok didnt realize that |
| [18:56:22] | Shadow__X: | hmm i think i may have to get one of those |
| [18:56:29] | Shadow__X: | i am watching the dev demo |
| [18:56:53] | linagee: | GrahamIRC: my box is still set up with a manual transcode command line i have it running as user job 1. |
| [18:57:05] | linagee: | GrahamIRC: they didn't have transcode back a few versions |
| [18:57:16] | GrahamIRC: | in need of an update? |
| [18:57:35] | linagee: | GrahamIRC: i am afraid to break the nice transcode command line string i have setup. |
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| [18:58:35] | linagee: | oh wow. you can put jobs directly in through SQL. and they explain how in the wiki! NICE! |
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| [19:02:15] | justinh: | NOT a good idea. nor is it EVER a good idea! |
| [19:03:39] | justinh: | sadly removing even ill-advised actions from the wiki is seen as wanton vandalism, so I've not deleted those bits |
| [19:04:26] | linagee: | justinh: why not a good idea? |
| [19:04:48] | linagee: | justinh: if i can flick some bit that will make my user jobs start right after the recording instead of at midnight.... |
| [19:04:55] | justinh: | because encouraging manual database mangling is WRONG |
| [19:05:31] | justinh: | take it to its ultimate extension, why even bother having a GUI? |
| [19:06:20] | justinh: | ok, that you have to stop mythbackend & run mythtv-setup to configure user jobs – but if people think that's a problem they can go about changing it a better way |
| [19:06:45] | linagee: | justinh: true. i agree with that 100%. why even bother having a gui. :) |
| [19:07:10] | linagee: | mythweb is all you need. :) |
| [19:07:17] | justinh: | riiight |
| [19:07:21] | GrahamIRC: | I think all you can do is put the info out there (as it should be) but with a big warning and reasons why it's a bad idea |
| [19:08:11] | GrahamIRC: | I don't want to run mythweb on my telly |
| [19:08:12] | linagee: | GrahamIRC: no firefox on your "telly"? |
| [19:08:14] | GrahamIRC: | everyone has different needs/uses and it's great that they are all catered for :-) |
| [19:08:48] | GrahamIRC: | I do have firefox on there of course, I but I want my telly easily usable by anyone with a nice r/c gui |
| [19:08:54] | justinh: | nope. an unclued user can very easily completely break their db by ploughing in there manually |
| [19:09:06] | justinh: | this is precisely why we discourage it here |
| [19:09:09] | GrahamIRC: | that's there choice of course :-) |
| [19:09:13] | justinh: | bollocks |
| [19:09:13] | iamlindoro: | And they very often do |
| [19:09:22] | GrahamIRC: | give people the info and let them do what they want with it |
| [19:09:31] | iamlindoro: | Their choice to break it all to frequently becomes our responsibility to fix it |
| [19:09:36] | iamlindoro: | er all too |
| [19:09:37] | GrahamIRC: | no it doesn't |
| [19:09:42] | GrahamIRC: | you warned them |
| [19:09:43] | iamlindoro: | yes. It does. Daily. |
| [19:09:51] | iamlindoro: | On the users list. In TRAC. HEre. |
| [19:09:54] | GrahamIRC: | your choice |
| [19:10:03] | GrahamIRC: | if they wanna break it then they can fix it |
| [19:10:16] | iamlindoro: | Great, so the choice is to help fix, or to be called out for being anti-user for not helping |
| [19:10:20] | iamlindoro: | some choice all right |
| [19:10:45] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, i just deleted mythtv database because you told me to not touch it can you help me get everything back |
| [19:10:45] | iamlindoro: | Although the naivete is sweet |
| [19:10:46] | Shadow__X: | :D |
| [19:10:54] | GrahamIRC: | I think it's fair to say "I will help but these are my terms and conditions" |
| [19:10:59] | GrahamIRC: | you're not being paid for this |
| [19:11:22] | GrahamIRC: | oooo dinner's ready! |
| [19:11:28] | GrahamIRC: | bfn :-) |
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| [19:13:19] | linagee: | Shadow__X: i'll help you recover your mythtv database. at $200/hr. :) |
| [19:13:40] | meshe: | i love the fact that by default myth backs up the db |
| [19:13:49] | linagee: | meshe: to where? |
| [19:14:12] | iamlindoro: | The the default storage group location |
| [19:14:16] | meshe: | hmmm, lets see if the new router i installed will let me ssh home... jas |
| [19:14:18] | linagee: | ah |
| [19:14:23] | iamlindoro: | To the |
| [19:14:43] | Shadow__X: | linagee, it was a joke towards what iamlindoro was doing |
| [19:15:32] | meshe: | on my system BACKUP="/var/backups/ |
| [19:15:36] | meshe: | might be a mythbuntu thing |
| [19:16:00] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Myth itself backs up the DB on any schema change to the "Default" SG |
| [19:16:15] | meshe: | that's also a great idea |
| [19:16:27] | jams: | or the mythdb backup storage group if it's defined |
| [19:18:11] | iamlindoro: | or that :) |
| [19:19:53] | iamlindoro: | Oh yay, 6 hours in, some jackass has ported the "interlaced output" deinterlacer to .21 |
| [19:20:32] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [19:20:37] | kormoc: | so it's a noop? |
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| [19:21:23] | meshe: | that's what i was wondering when i read his announcement |
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| [19:22:10] | meshe: | or does it force interlacing |
| [19:22:35] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like all it does is fix field order for interlaced output |
| [19:23:19] | iamlindoro: | The long list of preconditions for use (without code to check or set them) makes me question whether it would ever be committed |
| [19:23:25] | gbee: | does no interlacing – feeds the frames to the TV and lets it do the deinterlacing instead |
| [19:23:39] | iamlindoro: | no scaling, no timestretch, etc. |
| [19:23:50] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Right, he just seems to say that it presents the proper field order |
| [19:23:50] | gbee: | iamlindoro: seems no different to the gl field order option |
| [19:23:58] | iamlindoro: | I just work here |
| [19:24:28] | gbee: | does beg the question – wouldn't that be the default? |
| [19:24:31] | meshe: | i had to change the deinterlacer on my trunk install on my dev box, but otherwise, I just use defaults |
| [19:24:52] | gbee: | or are we saying that the decoder just throws out frames in any order it likes? |
| [19:25:04] | Shadow__X: | yay 34.6 percent at 5194K/sec |
| [19:25:24] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I think it was a bug, but I could have *sworn* mark looked at/fixed it in the past few weeks |
| [19:26:43] | iamlindoro: | And I don't think it's the decoder, but more an issue of how the GPU/driver outputs interlaced modes |
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| [19:27:41] | iamlindoro: | So more or less it seems like this "deinterlacer" (sic) is meant to compensate for bizarre behaviors of the GPU and/or driver |
| [19:27:50] | gbee: | don't really get this whole deint business, you'd assume that deinterlacing was deinterlacing – how can one be better than another when they are effectively just doing the simple combining job of combining two frames together? |
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| [19:28:46] | meshe: | i don't really understand it either, but on my workstation Bob 2x caused horrible flicker but Greedy 2x fixed |
| [19:28:49] | meshe: | it |
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| [19:29:53] | gbee: | my language skills are declining rapidly now, won't be too long before I can't even put together a complete sentence. |
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| [19:33:49] | trumee: | iamlindoro, my 9800GT card also supports xv controls |
| [19:34:15] | trumee: | so it is only nvidia 7xxx series cards which dont support xv controls |
| [19:35:03] | trumee: | guys, i tried to use the Xvmc renderer in the hope that i would get options for brightness/contrast. but they dont appear while using Xvmc |
| [19:35:50] | iamlindoro: | 8 and 9 series cards don't support XvMC, what card were you trying it on? |
| [19:36:11] | trumee: | iamlindoro, i have a 9800GT card and it does support xv controls |
| [19:36:16] | iamlindoro: | trumee: So? |
| [19:36:35] | iamlindoro: | You're asking about XvMC |
| [19:36:40] | iamlindoro: | which is not Xv |
| [19:36:58] | gbee: | xvmc is useless anyway |
| [19:36:59] | trumee: | iamlindoro, http://pastebin.com/m663471ad |
| [19:37:00] | linagee: | does the duplicates database get infintely big or is it trimmed? |
| [19:37:18] | iamlindoro: | trumee: Again, so? |
| [19:37:24] | trumee: | sorry, i have two cards 9800GT which has xv controls, and 7600GT which doesnt have them |
| [19:37:35] | iamlindoro: | trumee: What does that have to do with a question about XvMC? |
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| [19:38:00] | trumee: | sorry nothing to do with Xvmc. It is just that i want picture controls while playing mythvideo |
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| [19:38:14] | trumee: | and that too with 7600GT |
| [19:38:18] | iamlindoro: | So use the OpenGL renderer on your 7xxx |
| [19:39:28] | iamlindoro: | (or spend $30 and buy a decent 9xxx card for that system) |
| [19:39:46] | trumee: | iamlindoro, i dont have opengl renderer, the renderers i have are: Standard, libmpeg2, Standard Xvmc, VIA Xvmc, MAC, PVR 350, Nvidia VDPAU |
| [19:40:38] | iamlindoro: | So you didn't compile the renderer in |
| [19:40:42] | iamlindoro: | recompile and enable it |
| [19:41:28] | gbee: | or just calibrate your monitor instead |
| [19:41:36] | iamlindoro: | or that |
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| [19:43:30] | gbee: | picture controls are like saying, I need mythtv to rotate the picture left by 6 degrees because my tv is sitting on a wonky table |
| [19:44:09] | Dibblah: | I have a simple solution to that. |
| [19:44:18] | linagee: | Dibblah: tilt your hear? |
| [19:44:20] | linagee: | head? |
| [19:44:23] | Dibblah: | I have custom cut wooden blocks under the sofa. |
| [19:44:33] | kormoc: | to skew the sofa? |
| [19:44:41] | Dibblah: | Yup. Works perfectly. |
| [19:44:55] | linagee: | kormoc: :( my sofa doesn't have a skew adjustment. should i take it back? |
| [19:45:05] | ** Dibblah wonders how many people actually believe that... ** | |
| [19:45:39] | linagee: | looks like you'll need to just get a new house. |
| [19:46:17] | gbee: | or jack up that corner of the caravan again |
| [19:47:04] | linagee: | gbee: yes i should have said house/van. how insensitive of me. :) |
| [19:47:28] | ** Dibblah is currently bemoaning the price of USB JTAG adapters in the UK. ** | |
| [19:47:45] | Dibblah: | I mean, the base chip is £5. How on earth do you charge £45 for putting it in a box? :( |
| [19:48:24] | linagee: | Dibblah: make one yourself. :) |
| [19:48:38] | Dibblah: | USB? Uh... Huh. |
| [19:48:47] | linagee: | Dibblah: EZ-USB. :) |
| [19:48:51] | Dibblah: | I don't have any ft2232s lying about. |
| [19:48:55] | linagee: | Dibblah: or just get a USB to serial converter |
| [19:49:01] | kormoc: | Poll! Sofa or Couch? |
| [19:49:14] | Dibblah: | Sofa. |
| [19:49:19] | linagee: | or USB to parallel. whichever works better for JTAG |
| [19:49:31] | Dibblah: | USB to parallel won't really work for JTAG. |
| [19:49:36] | iamlindoro: | Couch here |
| [19:49:37] | linagee: | Dibblah: or get a real computer with real parallel and serial ports. :) |
| [19:49:51] | Dibblah: | Try finding them on a new board. |
| [19:49:54] | iamlindoro: | http://www.flickr.com/photos/36269104@N07/334 . . . l-642065@N24 |
| [19:49:59] | iamlindoro: | Heh, like the box-fan cooling system |
| [19:50:22] | iamlindoro: | And the Windows Home Server with RAID out of hodge podge of USB drives |
| [19:50:22] | linagee: | Dibblah: "where'd my serial, parallel, and floppy drive go???" |
| [19:50:56] | linagee: | what is a windows home server? is that some new atrocity by microsoft? lol |
| [19:51:16] | iamlindoro: | A version of Windows aimed at NAS/RAID/etc. |
| [19:51:25] | iamlindoro: | Not new, though |
| [19:52:13] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro: Bah. That's not hodge-podge. |
| [19:52:45] | iamlindoro: | Dibblah: Disagreeing with me just to disagree, or...? |
| [19:53:07] | Dibblah: | http://pendor.org/shared/nicecase.jpg |
| [19:53:27] | Dibblah: | (You don't see the 4x120mm fans at the front) |
| [19:53:52] | iamlindoro: | That may look like a sea monster, but at least it's all neatly arranged 3.5 internals |
| [19:54:47] | Dibblah: | ... On DIY 'rails'. |
| [19:54:58] | Dibblah: | Oh, no it's not. |
| [19:55:16] | Dibblah: | (You missed the 4 2.5" drives at the "top" of the case. |
| [19:55:45] | Dibblah: | They're actually mounted on a metal backplane above the case. |
| [19:56:32] | Shadow__X: | how much space is that |
| [19:56:45] | Shadow__X: | also sata cables on the hsf NOOOO!!!! |
| [19:57:16] | Dibblah: | The HSF hits maybe 20 degrees. |
| [19:57:24] | Dibblah: | Maybe 35 in the summer. |
| [19:57:26] | janneg: | Dibblah: are that sata port multipliers? |
| [19:57:31] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
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| [19:57:47] | Dibblah: | Support in the kernel is finally pretty useful. |
| [19:58:02] | Shadow__X: | how do you use those and do you still get fullsspeed |
| [19:58:18] | Dibblah: | SATA -> PM -> SATA * 5 |
| [19:58:31] | Dibblah: | Essentially, you still get full speed. |
| [19:58:44] | Dibblah: | Since the raw bandwidth of the link is 3Gb. |
| [19:58:48] | Dibblah: | /s |
| [19:58:52] | Shadow__X: | right |
| [19:58:58] | Shadow__X: | how much are those |
| [19:59:19] | Dibblah: | £44.53 |
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| [19:59:52] | Dibblah: | Or $75 |
| [20:00:50] | janneg: | Dibblah: Dawicontrol DC-6510? |
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| [20:01:26] | Dibblah: | Addonics. |
| [20:01:49] | Dibblah: | http://www.addonics.com/products/host_controller/ad5sapm-e.asp |
| [20:01:55] | Dibblah: | Or close. |
| [20:01:57] | janneg: | probably not, they look different and are more expensive 75 eur |
| [20:02:27] | gbee: | and I thought the cabling in my dev machine was a nightmare – at least it's all inside the case :) |
| [20:02:35] | Dibblah: | Probably the same chipset. |
| [20:03:10] | Dibblah: | gbee: Yeah, I know. But it works... :) |
| [20:03:27] | Dibblah: | 8.25Tb, raw. |
| [20:03:39] | Dibblah: | More than half of that is backup. |
| [20:03:56] | Dibblah: | Everything actually important is somewhere else as well. |
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| [20:06:22] | gbee: | I was pretty pleased with the 1.5Tb in my dev backend – just 600Gb in the production box, but then it looks a lot prettier than the sea monster ;) |
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| [20:19:41] | meshe: | wow, pvr-150 with mce usb remote for $39.99 CAD |
| [20:22:57] | Shadow__X: | nice Dibblah |
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| [20:32:40] | Dibblah: | I so wouldn't describe it as nice. |
| [20:32:48] | Dibblah: | It's a hack, but it mostly works :) |
| [20:33:02] | Shadow__X: | nice in a crazy sense |
| [20:33:33] | Shadow__X: | i rmember a picture about 4 years ago with 6 stacks on about 8 high 250 gb satas stacked ontop of each othe |
| [20:33:34] | Shadow__X: | r |
| [20:33:44] | Dibblah: | Meh. Crazy is my central heating system (house heating) running on openWRT. |
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| [20:49:55] | iamlindoro: | Heh, the "Tweet-a-watt." |
| [20:50:17] | iamlindoro: | Mods a kill-a-watt to send updates/cumulative info/etc. via IRC, facebook, Twitter, etc. |
| [20:50:33] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [20:50:40] | Shadow__X: | Dibblah, how does that work |
| [20:50:51] | Shadow__X: | and iamlindoro do you check it on your phone as well |
| [20:51:09] | iamlindoro: | I imagine that's up to you |
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| [20:51:43] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, are you going to make that |
| [20:51:51] | iamlindoro: | Probably not |
| [20:51:51] | Shadow__X: | or is that real |
| [20:51:59] | iamlindoro: | Yes, it's real |
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| [20:59:50] | Shadow__X: | hmm thats interesting |
| [21:00:13] | Shadow__X: | that would be interesting to try but there would need to be something else to add practicality |
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| [21:08:57] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: did the H.264 MT slice patch ever get committed to ffmpeg? |
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| [21:20:06] | kshots: | Can anyone help diagnose why there are files in my mythtv log directory that are quickly filling up my hard drive at odd times? |
| [21:20:41] | kshots: | I'm running svn 0.22 revision 20233 |
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| [21:21:11] | kshots: | had the same problem with rev 20124... but not with 0.21 |
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| [21:21:38] | kshots: | ... and oddly enough, they are *not* logs |
| [21:23:49] | kshots: | they fill up to 21G in a matter of hours |
| [21:24:05] | kshots: | ... at which point, my /usr partition runs out of space and all sorts of bad things happen |
| [21:24:23] | kormoc: | what is this 'mythtv log directory' you speak of? |
| [21:24:56] | kshots: | /var/log/mythtv |
| [21:25:09] | kormoc: | and what are the file names? |
| [21:25:11] | kshots: | ... under nfs, its full path is /usr/diskless/madusa/var/log/mythtv |
| [21:25:25] | kshots: | .nfs0000000ae778d7fa |
| [21:25:53] | kshots: | would be an example... I've removed them for the moment |
| [21:26:56] | iamlindoro: | jpabq: The frame-based multithread? No, I think that's still quite a long ways off |
| [21:26:59] | kormoc: | Welcome to how NFS handles deleted files |
| [21:27:12] | kormoc: | the .hsf file is a deleted file that still has a nfs handle open on it |
| [21:27:22] | kormoc: | you should be able to run fuser on the file to see what's using it |
| [21:27:45] | kshots: | eww... I'll check next time I see it |
| [21:28:05] | kshots: | what would grow that large, though? something's pumping a lot of data into it |
| [21:28:21] | kormoc: | Depends on what's in the file |
| [21:29:17] | kormoc: | you could always head or tail it and see what's in there |
| [21:29:47] | kshots: | I'll do that next time... the last couple of times, I was kinda in a panic trying to figure out why all my disk space just disappeared |
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| [21:37:11] | Shadow__X: | you can still use an array while its being reshaped right |
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| [21:38:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | myth logs can get out of hand real quick. |
| [21:38:49] | kshots: | yes... but my actual logs are under 2M |
| [21:39:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | unix doesn't delete something until all it's file handles are closed. this can cause no end of grief for a lot of people. |
| [21:40:25] | kshots: | yes... the question is why this is happening in svn, but not in 0.21... and I'll see if I can dig up the answer |
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| [21:41:08] | J-e-f-f-A|trunk: | !seen mzb |
| [21:41:08] | MythLogBot: | mzb is here and has been idle for 6 hours 44 minutes 34 seconds |
| [21:41:29] | J-e-f-f-A|trunk: | :-( he's sleeping.... |
| [21:41:47] | meshe: | different timezones? |
| [21:42:16] | J-e-f-f-A|trunk: | meshe: Yep... he's in Australia, I'm in the US... ;-) |
| [21:42:16] | kormoc: | AUS iirc? |
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| [21:43:56] | gbee: | kshots: you haven't enabled something like slow deletes have you? |
| [21:44:09] | kshots: | lemme check |
| [21:45:12] | gbee: | IMHO slow deletes cause more problems than they solve and the proper solution would have been to force users to pick a sensible filesystem |
| [21:45:34] | kshots: | no, delete files slowly is not checked |
| [21:45:58] | gbee: | kshots: how are you using nfs? |
| [21:46:18] | kshots: | it's a diskless NFS root with a RAID-0 local recording storage |
| [21:46:32] | kshots: | the diskless is over a RAID-5 on a high-reliability server |
| [21:47:10] | kshots: | the recordings are local, everything else is via NFS |
| [21:47:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | I had "logs running amok" problems with trunk but didn't get excited enough about the situation to fix it beyond sending logs to /dev/null |
| [21:49:10] | gbee: | kshots: what level of log verbosity are you running with? |
| [21:49:13] | kshots: | in case I might try that, how would I do that? Create a sym-link to /dev/null for the log file? |
| [21:50:57] | kshots: | gbee: Looking for verbosity now... is it a frontend or backend setting? Set via mythtv-setup or via the frontend or via the command-line? |
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| [21:52:22] | meshe: | that would be a great option in software "Send my logs to /dev/null" |
| [21:52:50] | ** kshots doesn't think it's a syslog entry... ** | |
| [21:52:51] | meshe: | first support question: Hi I lost a bunch of data and can't figure out why? |
| [21:55:11] | kormoc: | meshe, or just turn off log output? Myth by default doesn't log anything |
| [21:56:36] | jams: | kormoc- mind a php config question ? |
| [21:57:00] | kormoc: | shoot |
| [21:57:56] | jams: | if date.timezone is commented out in php.ini should it fall back to the TZ used by the OS? |
| [21:58:30] | jams: | today i called phpinfo and it said the TZ was Berlin vs CST |
| [21:59:18] | jams: | it did not make sense to me, why that would occur |
| [21:59:48] | kormoc: | jams, sadly it uses the default timezone of the machine that compiled the binary iirc |
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| [22:00:00] | jams: | wow |
| [22:00:07] | meshe: | ouch |
| [22:00:14] | jams: | i knew it had it's own tz files, but thats messed up |
| [22:00:31] | jams: | so the moral of this story is set date.timezone |
| [22:00:41] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [22:01:10] | jams: | thanks, my question went unanswered in php. |
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| [22:21:02] | Wicked: | well i compiled latest 0.21 on a fresh install of ubuntu 8.10 and mythtv will *not* connect to the database |
| [22:21:48] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/m407bd51 |
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| [22:24:05] | Wicked: | i litterally installed ubuntu. updated ubuntu. installed mythtv dependencies. compiled mythtv. did partial restore of myth database. and im getting this |
| [22:24:08] | kormoc: | Wicked, QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| [22:24:18] | kormoc: | install qt's mysql support |
| [22:24:41] | Wicked: | ok let me look |
| [22:25:34] | Wicked: | doh! |
| [22:25:39] | Wicked: | seems that worked |
| [22:25:49] | Wicked: | ...the one installed by default was qt4 |
| [22:27:15] | Wicked: | you rock kormoc :) |
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| [22:32:27] | mzb: | J-e-f-f-A|trunk: awake! |
| [22:34:03] | J-e-f-f-A|trunk: | wow! ;-) |
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| [22:41:10] | sphery: | /sb c |
| [22:41:34] | Wicked: | hmm when im trying to do a partial restore using that perl script its saying ERROR: Unable to read /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt: Permission denied, stopped at /home/mike/mythconverg_restore.pl line 524. |
| [22:41:43] | Wicked: | and i dont see how i can specify a different file |
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| [22:52:59] | sphery: | jarle: playbackbox.cpp |
| [22:54:06] | keith4_: | how often does the firewire bus need to be primed? |
| [22:54:15] | sphery: | jarle: and I'm 90% positive that the issue you're seeing/debugging is a race condition between the Watch Recordings screen (playbackbox) and the preview generator, where the preview generator sets the status incorrectly to say it's not avaialable |
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| [22:54:20] | keith4_: | am i reading this correctly in the wiki? people prime the bus before *every* channel change? |
| [22:56:28] | iamlindoro_: | keith4, Priming requirements are fairly varied. I use a script that checks at 5 and 35 after the hour to see if the firewire tuner is in use-- if it's not, it primes it |
| [22:56:34] | iamlindoro_: | I have never become unprimed since |
| [22:56:54] | keith4_: | that's a good idea |
| [22:57:02] | keith4_: | how do you know if the firewire tuner is in use? |
| [22:57:15] | iamlindoro_: | By checking with the backend |
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| [22:58:06] | iamlindoro_: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . re_primer.pl |
| [22:58:36] | sphery: | someone should write a firewire primer on the wiki to give the basics of how to use firewire... |
| [22:58:39] | iamlindoro_: | Adapt the firewire_tester line in that to match the one you use, then cron it for 5 and 35 after the out |
| [22:58:52] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, There's already one in contrib and I have enough pages to look after :) |
| [22:59:09] | iamlindoro_: | kinda like how I just brought the blu ray ripping instructions up to date :) |
| [22:59:16] | sphery: | that was a joke--a primer, as in "getting started document" |
| [22:59:24] | iamlindoro_: | harrrr harrrrrrrrr |
| [22:59:49] | keith4_: | iamlindoro, okay, thanks |
| [23:00:25] | iamlindoro_: | I even managed to put in a few hours on the theme last night |
| [23:00:43] | sphery: | cool |
| [23:01:09] | sphery: | saw the name on the list... graphite-wide, right? |
| [23:01:35] | iamlindoro_: | yes, although since the -wide moniker is no longer necessary it'll just be Graphite |
| [23:01:58] | sphery: | You should make it with really narrow fonts and call it Graphite-narrow |
| [23:02:14] | sphery: | unless, of course, you're not anti-social |
| [23:02:33] | iamlindoro_: | Don't worry, I totally am ;) |
| [23:02:51] | meshe: | no 4:3 version? |
| [23:03:15] | iamlindoro_: | Nope |
| [23:03:33] | iamlindoro_: | No 4:3 TVs or screens here, and it literally is twice as much work to do all the layout for 4:3 |
| [23:03:58] | iamlindoro_: | Don't think any of the new themes are getting 4:3 versions AFAIK |
| [23:04:34] | meshe: | will there still be a 4:3 theme in myth? |
| [23:04:49] | iamlindoro_: | Well, the legacy themes "sorta work" |
| [23:04:55] | sphery: | there will be 4:3 "classics" |
| [23:04:55] | meshe: | heh |
| [23:05:03] | iamlindoro_: | in that their menus work and they can fall back to screens in "default" |
| [23:05:22] | sphery: | but once it's released, one of the 4 people who still use 4:3 TV's will make a theme for the rest of you :) |
| [23:05:44] | meshe: | i just upgraded a month ago to an LCD tv, myth does look so much better on 16:9 |
| [23:05:45] | sphery: | it = MythTV 0.22 |
| [23:05:54] | meshe: | 1.0? |
| [23:06:16] | sphery: | I'd love for it to go to 1.0 just to see all the talk about why it went to 1.0 |
| [23:06:24] | meshe: | haha |
| [23:06:47] | sphery: | IMHO, version numbers are meaningless other than as a relative-ordering mechanism |
| [23:07:07] | jams: | sphery- you would be suprised at the odd resolutions people run at |
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| [23:07:40] | sphery: | heh, I guess you'd have seen many of the resolutions reported |
| [23:07:40] | meshe: | version numbers are mostly marketing nowadays, on of our products went straight from 5.0 to 7.0 |
| [23:08:12] | jams: | yes i have |
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| [23:10:03] | jams: | have yet to report seperated on theme and resolution, but still the info is present. |
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| [23:11:16] | jams: | metallurgy.636.433 <= no idea how that would look |
| [23:11:41] | RDV_Linux1: | iamlindoro: Have you tried updating any graphics through ttvdb today? It seems as if thetvdb.com has made some changes to their URLs. I think they dropped the "www." from the graphic URLs. I do not think their web site is in sync with what the URLs returned from their api interface. It may be just a glitch or require a code change. |
| [23:11:44] | iamlindoro_: | That's got to be 640x480 using overscan adjustment |
| [23:12:01] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux1, Yes, was just working with it, no images today |
| [23:12:15] | jams: | iamlindoro- still metallurgy at 640x480 |
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| [23:12:51] | iamlindoro_: | jams, Sorry? |
| [23:13:12] | RDV_Linux1: | I will wait until tomorrow to see if this will be a permanent change before changing code, |
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| [23:13:26] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux1, There must be something on their forums |
| [23:13:34] | jams: | using metullurgy at 640x480 must look awful |
| [23:13:44] | RDV_Linux1: | I will check that out. |
| [23:13:49] | iamlindoro_: | jams, ah, yeah... but the only option some screens probably have |
| [23:14:05] | jams: | neon-wide.1757.1010 |
| [23:14:26] | iamlindoro_: | jams, Those resolutions are ways of figuring out which screens have really nasty overscan :) |
| [23:14:31] | iamlindoro_: | like that one |
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| [23:14:40] | jams: | hehe |
| [23:14:42] | jams: | yep |
| [23:15:04] | iamlindoro_: | I'd be POed if I lost 200 horizontal pixels to overscan |
| [23:16:55] | meshe: | wierd, my monitor is 16:10 aspect ratio or 8:5 |
| [23:17:01] | jams: | i would to, heck I was annoyed at when I had minor overscan on my 46" 1080p |
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| [23:17:39] | iamlindoro_: | meshe, Most are (even most LCD TVs are) |
| [23:17:48] | iamlindoro_: | 1366x768 usually |
| [23:17:57] | iamlindoro_: | For "native 720p" LCDs |
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| [23:18:06] | thedarkone: | hello |
| [23:18:25] | thedarkone: | i trying to get mytharchive to burn but i get a erro |
| [23:18:26] | thedarkone: | r |
| [23:18:27] | meshe: | ahh, that's the rez of my 720p tv actually |
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| [23:18:47] | thedarkone: | ERROR: Failed while running growisofs. |
| [23:18:47] | thedarkone: | Result 1 |
| [23:19:47] | jams: | is growisofs installed? |
| [23:20:00] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [23:20:19] | thedarkone: | it seems to burn but i get error at end |
| [23:20:42] | jams: | have you tried growisofs outside of mytharchive? |
| [23:20:53] | thedarkone: | in shell ya |
| [23:21:22] | jams: | i find it easier to have mytharchive create the iso, then burn the iso using k3b or some other program. |
| [23:21:44] | thedarkone: | well okay i wanted all in one |
| [23:21:54] | thedarkone: | that what made it easier on me |
| [23:23:02] | iamlindoro_: | DVDs are poop |
| [23:23:19] | jams: | guess i would look in the log file, and try to run the growisofs command manually and see what happens |
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| [23:25:56] | Shadow__X: | uh how do you get a system to stop have a load avg of 10 |
| [23:26:03] | iamlindoro_: | unplug it |
| [23:26:12] | Shadow__X: | other ways? |
| [23:26:18] | iamlindoro_: | smash with hammer |
| [23:26:24] | Shadow__X: | software wise |
| [23:26:25] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [23:26:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: don't try to run som much at once... ;-) Nice some things... ;-) |
| [23:26:29] | iamlindoro_: | rm -rf / |
| [23:26:38] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, i will def do that |
| [23:26:39] | Shadow__X: | right now |
| [23:26:42] | iamlindoro_: | bye! |
| [23:26:43] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [23:26:48] | iamlindoro_: | hehe |
| [23:26:52] | iamlindoro_: | iamlindoro smart |
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| [23:28:36] | Shadow__X: | mhm |
| [23:28:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh, and make sure you're logged on as root... ;-) |
| [23:28:51] | Shadow__X: | oh i will |
| [23:28:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | MuWaHaHa!!!! |
| [23:28:58] | clever: | 2009-03–26 20:28:41.566 commflag: Commercial Flagging Finished: CSI: NY "Wasted" recorded from channel 1028 at Thu Mar 26 17:58:00 2009 (143 commercial break(s)) |
| [23:29:10] | clever: | ummm, mythjobqueue is lieing! |
| [23:29:13] | Shadow__X: | also i have reiserfs so it will all be done is secounds |
| [23:29:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: wow, you guys sure have alot of commercials up there! |
| [23:29:28] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [23:29:30] | Shadow__X: | that sucks |
| [23:29:32] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: i killed mythcommflag |
| [23:29:37] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:~$ killall mythcommflag |
| [23:29:37] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:~$ Terminated |
| [23:29:46] | clever: | theres no way it 'finished' without an error:P |
| [23:32:45] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: just open top, and see what is all listed as running |
| [23:33:08] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, did that nothing outragous |
| [23:33:42] | wagnerrp: | for instance, NFS will add one to that number for each active connection |
| [23:33:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Jeeze... Lots of snow in Denver... I hope it don't make it's way across to Boston, I just put the snowblower away!!!! ;-) |
| [23:33:49] | wagnerrp: | even if its only pulling 1–2% CPU |
| [23:34:09] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [23:34:17] | Shadow__X: | so it lies |
| [23:34:27] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: so what lies? |
| [23:34:32] | Shadow__X: | nfs |
| [23:34:45] | wagnerrp: | how does it lie? its active, thats what the load average measures |
| [23:34:45] | Shadow__X: | it says 1–2 %cpu but it could add 3 to load avb |
| [23:34:46] | Shadow__X: | avg |
| [23:35:03] | clever: | ive had my load avg grow to 10+ and not ever drop |
| [23:35:06] | wagnerrp: | the load average is a running average of the number of processes queued to run |
| [23:35:20] | clever: | the cpufreq driver crashed, so every process that tries to use it will hardlock |
| [23:35:23] | wagnerrp: | if theyre active, they will add one to the average |
| [23:35:30] | clever: | and gets counted as runnable, affecting the loadavg |
| [23:36:11] | wagnerrp: | its not so much lying, as you not understanding its meaning |
| [23:36:38] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, ah ok |
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| [23:36:48] | Shadow__X: | so if there are 10 active processes |
| [23:36:51] | Shadow__X: | it will be 10 |
| [23:36:54] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [23:37:04] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [23:37:05] | wagnerrp: | even if those 10 active processes are only eating a fraction of a percent |
| [23:37:19] | Shadow__X: | right thats still ok because its just that they are active |
| [23:37:24] | wagnerrp: | NFS usually defaults to 8 or 16 running daemons |
| [23:37:25] | Shadow__X: | yeah i wasnt understanding it correctly |
| [23:37:50] | wagnerrp: | so if you have 16 clients hitting it for data, your load average will be 16, plus whatever else you happen to have running on the box |
| [23:37:56] | clever: | Cpu(s): 52.7%us, 16.5%sy, 13.5%ni, 0.7%id, 6.5%wa, 1.6%hi, 8.4%si, 0.0%st |
| [23:38:04] | clever: | my current problem is a lack of any idle time |
| [23:38:15] | clever: | though its recovering now that i stoped mythcommflag |
| [23:39:20] | iamlindoro_: | Ooooohhhhhhhh |
| [23:39:29] | iamlindoro_: | I just did something very secksy with my theme |
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| [23:41:28] | Shadow__X: | pic? |
| [23:41:42] | iamlindoro_: | I actually have to run... but you'll see eventually |
| [23:41:58] | Shadow__X: | k |
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| [23:45:10] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/detailscreen.ogg |
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| [23:46:01] | Shadow__X: | oh that is very nice |
| [23:46:16] | Shadow__X: | is that mythtv still if so wow |
| [23:46:21] | Shadow__X: | thats very nice |
| [23:46:25] | iamlindoro_: | yes, it's myth. And thanks! |
| [23:46:36] | Shadow__X: | i wouild def be running that theme |
| [23:47:13] | iamlindoro_: | In fairness, getting all the fanart/screenshots/etc. all downloaded takes a while, but once you're caught up, it's nice :) |
| [23:48:24] | meshe: | that is an impressive theme |
| [23:48:28] | Shadow__X: | my biggest issue has been if they arent perfectly named like big.Buck.Bunny-hd-1080p instead of i gues appropriate Big buck bunny all the images and such dont work |
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| [23:48:46] | Shadow__X: | but i dont care if the images take awhile that is very worthwhile |
| [23:49:43] | iamlindoro_: | There's only one tiny patch applied to that copy of mythvideo, but nothing evident from that video, so all of that is possible in trunk right now |
| [23:49:56] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, I find getting all the images squared away very worthwhile |
| [23:50:07] | Shadow__X: | wow very nice kudos |
| [23:50:22] | iamlindoro_: | I image lots of people will have little collections of script to automate all necessary parsing and updates by the time .22 is out |
| [23:50:30] | Shadow__X: | i am not running trunk right now and do not have the nohow to fix it when it breaks or if it does |
| [23:50:56] | Shadow__X: | know how* |
| [23:51:02] | iamlindoro_: | Another interesting but invisible fact is that *all* of what you saw is streaming via storage groups, no local mounts of any of the images or videos |
| [23:51:39] | Shadow__X: | very nice |
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