Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, March 22nd, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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justinh:

mwahahahaha. "Unless the masters can be found, there will be no further DVDs"

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iamlindoro__:

So someone offered ffmpeg 20,000 Euros to relicense libswscale as LGPL

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iamlindoro__:

Get your last minute patches in now to get your piece of the pie

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iamlindoro__:

;)

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justinh:

ruh?

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justinh:

slight JD haze here but whut?

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iamlindoro__:

what about which bit?

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justinh:

erm. all of it

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justinh:

what difference would changing to LGPL mean?

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iamlindoro__:

Idea is that the folks with code in that library are meant to speak up for or against the idea, as well as their monetary demands to agree :)

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iamlindoro__:

per wikipedia, "The main difference between the GPL and the LGPL is that the latter can be linked to (in the case of a library, 'used by') a non-(L)GPLed program, which may be free software or proprietary software.[1] This non-(L)GPLed program can then be distributed under any chosen terms if it is not a derivative work."

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iamlindoro__:

I presume the party (comapny) in question wishes to do so

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iamlindoro__:

er company

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

how much coding time does 20,000 Euros buy? maybe about 6 man months

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iamlindoro__:

I'll need that term in kilos of cocaine per fortnight, thnx

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justinh:

myers. come back to manchester. we have so much here they're peddling it openly on the streets

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iamlindoro__:

"yay?"

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justinh:

last time I was out a couple of weeks ago I literally lost count of the number of times I was approached on main thorofares

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justinh:

times are hard, prices are low so I guess they've moved out of the back streets

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sid3windr:

huh what

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sid3windr:

fraggle rock is on an island with a lighthouse?! :p

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iamlindoro__:

So sad to hear that the cocaine biz has fallen on hard times. I'm weeping openly. Really.

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iamlindoro__:

;)

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: hey, theme donations dried up man. I had to branch out

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iamlindoro__:

haha

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iamlindoro__:

donation dry up when you drop below the radar and stop working on conceptiness

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justinh:

hey you might be onto something. nah they stopped long before my motivation ran out. there's no correlation

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iamlindoro__:

just inkscape together some fanart with boobies in it, post in somewhere, and say you won't finish it unless you get 20K Euro

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justinh:

heh and what do I do if I get the 20k Euros? sheesh

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justinh:

I'd have to blimmin finish it

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iamlindoro__:

or kill the nearest themer with something in progress

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iamlindoro__:

I hear trashcan is working on something ;)

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iamlindoro__:

or the ever popular "Run off to Jamaica" solution

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justinh:

I tried not to comment when I saw the screenshots. by god I really held back, I really did

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iamlindoro__:

There were *SCREENSHOTS*?

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iamlindoro__:

Why was I not informed?

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justinh:

check da logs

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iamlindoro__:

whenish?

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justinh:

now you're asking

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justinh:

I know I'm a hypocrite & it sucks but honestly.. yeesh

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sid3windr:

fanart with boobies

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sid3windr:

sounds like something for mythBUNTU :>

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justinh:

hrm. google indexing doesn't seem to be working much

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iamlindoro__:

I have found some links to classic conversations

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iamlindoro__:

like, conversations so obnoxious that my grandchildren will pause one day with an eerie feeling of frustration and the desire to punch an englishman

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justinh:

hey I told you I can't help it

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, Bravo on the language option in the TVDB grabber-- I think that will really be a killer feature for non-english speakers

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justinh:

oh wait. oops. I think I might have him confused with somebody else. damn me to hell

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iamlindoro__:

For those not in context, it'll take a -l $languagecode option and pull in any available information for a series/episode in that language, and fall back to english if not there

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meshe:

what's the name of a program that will tune tv so I can test a card?

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iamlindoro__:

If it's ivtv, ivtv-tune, otherwise there's likely somethng in v4l2-ctl

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meshe:

something that will let me see the live input?

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RDV_Linux:

Thanks

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justinh:

what the heck is up with google searches on site:mythtv.beirdo.ca not worky?

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meshe:

tvtime

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iamlindoro__:

meshe, open the video in mplayer and tune in a parallel terminal

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iamlindoro__:

tvtime is framegrabber only, no MPEG-2 or DVB support

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meshe:

ahh, i see what you mean

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: don't say parallel terminal. somebody might think you mean an actual terminal plugged in a parallel port :P

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iamlindoro__:

heh

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meshe:

thanks iamlindoro__ :)

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** justinh waits for clever to say he uses an old XT as a terminal, and bit-bashes LPT lines to emulate RS232 **

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iamlindoro__:

oh now you've done it

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iamlindoro__:

just kick the sleeping rat why don't you

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justinh:

I should do away with my passwords & just fit a frickin breathalyser

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justinh:

anyway... pretty sure now it was dusbtar04's screenshots I saw, not dustybin's.. but I could be wrong. somebody was etching out a new OSD & I tried (failed) to be nice

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iamlindoro__:

Ah yes, I think he was working on an OSD, the orange one

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justinh:

then again, folks should know better than to ask me if they want me to lie

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I do not know if you caught the message I sent but I had to ask the tvdb_api author for a change. Currently all searches (series and episodes name) do not honour the specified language they only take English. I have all my coding done, but I need to search using the native language. We will see how fast he responds.

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux, Sounds like he's been very responsive so far

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RDV_Linux:

I looked at his code and the search feature may be more difficult to adapt. We will wait and see. At least I the wiki page for ttvdb is almost complete.

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** iamlindoro__ hates screen capture Fanart... grrrr **

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justinh:

I thought people weren't allowed to use screencaps

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iamlindoro__:

The rules and what people do are so sadly but so very different

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iamlindoro__:

I think it's pizza time

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rogueone:

When I watch recorded content, about 15–30 seconds in, playback freezes, my HDD light goes solid, my machine becomes mostly unresponsive and I get "NVP: prebuffering pause" and "NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times." messages in my logs.

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rogueone:

I've found the wiki page on mythtv.org that discusses the prebuffer issue, but none of the likely causes seem to line up with what i'm experiencing.

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rogueone:

Is there a set of tests that I can run to determine what the actual fault is?

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rogueone:

Ubuntu 8.10, MythTV 0.21.0+fixes18722–0ubuntu1

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justinh:

DMA enabled on the HDD?

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justinh:

have you got working Xv on your graphics card?

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justinh:

is there enough free ram?

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messerting:

Hi, I'm experimenting with mythtv 0.22–0.1.svn.r19722.fc11.x86_64, but get "This command is not supported in the prepared statement protocol yet"

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messerting:

I've cleaned out the old database, and inserted a new one

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messerting:

Is this a known problem – I guess it is related to mysql itself?

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iamlindoro__:

Yes, a known problem a Bug in Qt 4.5, and we have a workaround, you're about 500 revisions old

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iamlindoro__:

update to current source and it will work

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messerting:

iamlindoro_, ok, thanks

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iamlindoro__:

no problem

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rogueone:

justinh: UDMA6, I don't think I have Xv (but I'd like to learn how to check), and I have 2Gb of RAM and 52Mb are "free" (but I understand Linux uses memory as much as it can)

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rogueone:

video card: on-board intel gma x3500; xorg driver: intel

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justinh:

resolution you run X at?

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Dagmar:

You have Xv.

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rogueone:

my display is a 1080i HDTV, so admittedly, it's a bit strange. 1920x540

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justinh:

cpu?

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rogueone:

core2duo e7200 (2.5Ghz)

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justinh:

pfft. that should have no problems

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rogueone:

oh, sorry... this hasn't always happened. it started within the last few weeks

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rogueone:

(i know right?!)

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rogueone:

and, no, i don't know what I changed to make it start. perhaps a change in mplayer or ffmpeg with an ubuntu update?

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messerting:

rogueone: my guess is that the disk is filling up. and deletes take time

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messerting:

what filesystem?

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rogueone:

i have a 1Tb SATA drive, 52% full

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rogueone:

ext3

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messerting:

hm, well, I guess I'm wrong then

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rogueone:

;) a great guess, for sure

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justinh:

mplayer & ffmpeg updates have no bearing on mythtv

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justinh:

at least not directly

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rogueone:

yeah, i know. but that's the only thing I can really think of

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rogueone:

it *doesn't* happen when I watch "videos", like downloaded AVIs or MKVs

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rogueone:

Dagmar: you said I have Xv, does that mean I'm using it? Is that an option that needs to be enabled, or is that just "included"

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Dagmar:

Hoe am I supposed to know what you're using?>

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rogueone:

sorry... the way I phrased that wasn't very good. how about this. do I need to be running Xv? would Xv help? "intel(0): Intel XvMC decoder disabled"

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justinh:

XvMC != Xv

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justinh:

if you're using the intel video driver you should have Xv

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rogueone:

excellent, thanks

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iamlindoro__:

"A friend installed mythtv on my dedicated Ubuntu 8.10 system. After he left, I tried to watch TV by clicking on the Watch TV button. The button darkened a bit but nothing happened."

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** iamlindoro__ wonders when we got a Watch TV button, and under what conditions it darkens **

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rogueone:

another interesting datapoint: when I tried going through the troubleshooting tips on the prebuffering wiki page, when I tried repairing the seek table on a known-bad-recording, the mythtranscode execution caused the same symptoms. computer (mostly) froze up, hdd light solid, log starts displaying prebuffer errors.

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** iamlindoro__ wonders if it's a Seagate **

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iamlindoro__:

As it's sounding an awful lot like physical drive problems

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rogueone:

Device Model: MAXTOR STM31000340AS; Serial Number: 9QJ0M1ER; Firmware Version: XM15

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iamlindoro__:

Still sounds like drive problems ;)

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rogueone:

I checked Seagate's site, but they say this drive's serial number is not in the list of affected drives that plagued the Barracuda 2007.11 drives

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rogueone:

but, that some DiamondMax 22s (my drive) are affected. just not mine

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squish102:

any1 know if there is any chance i can undelete an lvm etx3 directory of recordings? I just rm'ed mine by mistake

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iamlindoro__:

drives can fail without being a part of a larrge failure batch

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Dagmar:

If you have to ask then it's too late to recover

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rogueone:

so, i ran smartctl with a long selftest... status: Completed: read failure; Remaining: 90%

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iamlindoro__:

so yeah, that's bad.

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iamlindoro__:

In a "cause exactly your problem" sort of way

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rogueone:

well... hold on. that's what I thought too

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iamlindoro__:

You're getting exactly the amount of data you can fit in your drive's buffer

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rogueone:

SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

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iamlindoro__:

SMART isn't capable of telling you much with modern drives

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rogueone:

the only "marginal" attributes are "Airflow_Temperature_Cel

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iamlindoro__:

As all the manufacturers have applied closed appendages to it

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rogueone:

well damn

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iamlindoro__:

A read failure is a bad thing, and doesn't pass the "do it work?" test

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rogueone:

but, watching 720p MKVs doesn't cause problems. just recorded HDTV

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iamlindoro__:

Apples and oranges

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iamlindoro__:

sort of, anyway.

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iamlindoro__:

but hey, it's no fun to argue with people while troubleshooting, if you want to put four more hours into it, then knock yourself out :)

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rogueone:

is mpeg2 that much "bigger" from a drive buffer viewpoint?

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iamlindoro__:

back to poking at MythVideo code

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rogueone:

hey, i'm not trying to argue. i just don't want to go through hassle of moving to a new drive if I don't have to.

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rogueone:

is there another test I can try that will validate the "filled my drive's buffer" idea?

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J-e-f-f-A:

!seen mzb_xps

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MythLogBot:

mzb_xps is here and has been idle for 19 hours 41 minutes 22 seconds

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mzb_d800:

idle! lies!

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Lexridge:

idle lies?

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Lexridge:

damn, it's amazing how long it takes to rebuild a system after a complete wipe and reinstall. Especially when dumb me didn't back up my .directories. I have been recompiling apps since noon today, and still going. :(

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Dagmar:

This is why you script packaged builds.

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Lexridge:

yea, hindsight is 20/20

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Lexridge:

I did have my sourcecode directory backed up, and apps actually ran from them, but so much has changed versionwise, I thought it best to just recompile them.

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Lexridge:

heck, VLC from the pkg mgr would not do 5.1, so I had to build that from source. I'm sure pulseaudio had something to do with it.

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Lexridge:

I have most of pulseaudio removed by now, but still not all of it. Why WHY would Redhat use this piece of crap?

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Lexridge:

I am honestly starting to consider rolling my own linux dist. It just seems easier than keeping up with update/deprecation schedules.

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Lexridge:

maybe just start with a basic install of say, CentOS, and build manually from there.

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qupada:

Lexridge: puseaudio is terrible, isn't it? all of my colleagues that use ubuntu are constantly struggling with the system wanting to reinstall it. i have to admit to a small amount of smugness that my gentoo system would never even try installing it

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Lexridge:

qupada: I've almost gotten rid of all of it. I have a few more packages I need to uninstall and recompile manually. Then, pulseaudio should be gone for good. :)

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Lexridge:

I don't even know what the advantages are of using pulse. I can do everything pulse can do with using only ALSA.

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qupada:

i can't see any benefit to it aside from being able to send audio across the lan along with a vnc connection. which when you stop and look at it really isn't that useful anyway

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qupada:

other than that it just seems to destroy your audio quality and add a bunch of unnecessary latency

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Lexridge:

yea, and it is as beta as Vista ;)

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Lexridge:

What is up with the Mulners realtime kernel updates? there has not been a patch since kernel 2.6.24. Anyone know?

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Lexridge:

sorry, 2.6.26 was the last one actually.

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Lexridge:

but that one didn't work worth a crap.

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Lexridge:

is the mainstream kernel ever to become RT?

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mchou:

Lexridge: I doubt it

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mchou:

Lexridge: you actually don't want RT for a mainstream kernel

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Lexridge:

mchou: perhaps not, but I know the mainstream kernel has been getting closer to RT, I just think a true RT should be a standard kernel compile option.

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mchou:

the first part of your statement is news to me

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mchou:

"RT" performance in recent kernels has become a sick joke

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mchou:

i.e. "doesnt work worth a damn"

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mchou:

I use the rt or mm patches depending on what "works" these days

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mchou:

the stock kernel goes off to la la land to I dont know where.....

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Lexridge:

I've not tried the mm patches, which do you perfer?

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mchou:

well, they both have their drawbacks, but for myth mm is probably lesser of two evils

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mchou:

like I can actually get myth to playback on frontends reliably.....

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Lexridge:

Well, I also use Qtractor and Ardour extensively, so low latency is certainly a concern.

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mchou:

used to be a no brainer back in the day before 2.6.17

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mchou:

now I feel like keystone kop

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mchou:

you squeeze one side of the bacg and crap comes out some other side....

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mchou:

bag*

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Lexridge:

yea, me too. Something is up with molner patch, just can't google any info.

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mchou:

hmm??

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mchou:

molnar patch is what I meant, not mm

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mchou:

sorry

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Lexridge:

np

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mzb_d800_:

wow

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iamlindoro__:

which, spelled backwards, is wow

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EnderTheThird:

wow racecar wow

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... doesn't look like freenode likes dircproxy :|

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mzb_d800:

that'll cramp my style

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mzb_d800_:

but we'll see

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mzb_d800_:

I'm guessing that doesn't seem to make sense ... seeing as there's (apparently) a #dircproxy on freenode ;)

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iamlindoro__:

There must be some kind of way out of here

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iamlindoro__:

(Said the Joker to the Thief)

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

yeah baby!

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... oh I get it

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adante:

woops

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Sulx:

grr... I have two dvb-c cards with same input. how can I set it up so that when recording starts and locks one card to spesific mux, liveTV would still show all channels?

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Sulx:

no wait..I mean it shows all channels but if I try to change to a channel in another mux, it wont changes to the available tuner

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z35:

quick question, Is it possible scan a subdirectory in the music directory for music instead of just scanning the entire music directory?

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ShockValue:

ok, ive played around a bit with a hdhomerun in my area, and quite a few of the HD channels that I'd like to watch are encrypted (QAM). What's the alternative for getting HD content recorded?

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Tanthrix:

ShockValue: There is only one: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

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Tanthrix:

ShockValue: Either that, or firewire out from a cable box. More often than not though, if it's QAM encrypted it's also firewire encrypted.

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ShockValue:

yeah i tried that.. theres a direct correlation between the channels that dont work with hdhomeun and firewire in my area

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ShockValue:

ill check out that databox though, thanks for the suggestion

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meshe:

does mythfrontend write a pid file anywhere?

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meshe:

got it: kill `ps -C mythfrontend | grep mythfrontend | cut -d' ' -f1`

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Sulx:

or just use "killall mythfrontend"

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Sulx:

;)

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meshe:

i blame the fact that it's 1:36 am for not thinking of that

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meshe:

:)

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Sulx:

10.36 am here, so my brains are in prime time =)

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Sulx:

brain...

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Sulx:

still missing some synapses it seems

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meshe:

heh

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meshe:

i'm going to use my method and capture the pid and kill it if it's running, if it's not, start it

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meshe:

cool, that's working, a button on the remote to start/stop mythfrontend

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mzb_d800_:

meshe: killall doesn't always work for me, have a look at pgrep.

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mzb_d800_:

eg: $ pgrep mythfrontend

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mzb_d800_:

ps: your original command probably should have included "grep v- grep" in the pipe ;)

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mzb_d800_:

I use a different method with the "Power" button.

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mzb_d800_:

I have a "mythautologin" app spawned from init level 3 (tty6?)

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mzb_d800_:

s/init 3/init 2

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mzb_d800_:

for the power button I (basically) switch to init 3 to kill everything (X included) and then switch back to 2

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mzb_d800_:

in _some_ extreme circumstances this is not sufficient, as it appears that (perhaps) the X driver (unichrome) occasionally locks when trying to decode a signal with a lot of errors

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mzb_d800_:

killall does not help in these situations

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mzb_d800_:

$ sudo kill -9 $(pgrep {app that is locked})

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mzb_d800_:

hope that helps

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090322

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mzb_d800:

Sulx: re channel changing are you using 0.21-fixes? Theres an option in trunk to show all channels in LiveTV, but can't tell from your question if that's what you're after.

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Sulx:

mzb_d800: using trunk...all channels are shown but it doesnt use available tuner if theres ongoing record with current tuner

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sphery:

Sulx: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/369358#369358

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sphery:

Sulx: read the /whole/ post as I go through a /lot/ of background/description and a less-than-ideal (but tested) approach that would work, but with negative consequences, then I explain how to do it otherwise so that there are no negative consequences...

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mzb_d800:

Sulx: yes I've found that too

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mzb_d800:

sphery: it's too late (past pumpkin hour) for me to read that post (and relatives), but thanks for the link I'll read it later :)

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mchou:

mzb_d800: what the hell dude. If pgrep is installed most likely pkill is installed too

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mchou:

mzb_d800: why people insist on doing things the hare brained way.....

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mzb_d800:

ok ... I'll look at that one later ... maybe you missed my point?

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mchou:

what point was that?

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mzb_d800:

s/points

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mzb_d800:

1. init levels are *normally* a really nice way of achieving the desired result (and a lot of other bonuses)

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mzb_d800:

2. killall is not an "all-in-one" solution

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mchou:

I didnt mention killall

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mzb_d800:

that was what I was responding to

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mzb_d800:

any other problems?

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mchou:

right. and I'm telling you kill -9 $(pgrep ...) is RETARDED

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mzb_d800:

thank you. point taken. Want to watch your mouth now?

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mchou:

watch my mouth for what?

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mchou:

did I just swear?

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mzb_d800:

s/mouth/manners

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dustybin:

http://www.chiptune.com/ bring it on :D

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gbee:

wow, some people have nothing better to do with their time?

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wagnerrp:

why do people insist on storing large volumes of data in /var

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sphery:

wagnerrp: doesn't at least one of the Myth distros use /var/lib for the recordings?

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sphery:

but I completely agree that it's just plain wrong

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iamlindoro__:

mythbuntu, indeed

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sphery:

there goes my plan to protect the guilty

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iamlindoro__:

In the grand scheme of things to take umbrage about, however...

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sphery:

Yeah, especially since users /should/ configure the SG's themselves.

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sphery:

it's definitely not worth spending a lot of time to fix

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iamlindoro__:

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAH

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iamlindoro__:

"I ported Stuart's 0.22 patch allowing to use ffmpeg as mythmusic decoder to 0.21-fixes codebase."

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sphery:

Is it in the VDPAU fork, yet?

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iamlindoro__:

This in a (user) request for help on the dev list

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iamlindoro__:

topic is: "mythmusic with ffmpeg decoder: issue with playback"

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iamlindoro__:

topic should be: "I am a backporting moron, someone help fix my code."

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** iamlindoro__ patiently waits for gbee to respond **

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gbee:

good luck, it depends on several audio codec fixes in ffmpeg and some followup commits

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iamlindoro__:

I figured it might :)

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gbee:

not going to respond to the email, not worth my time

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d0netsFN:

hey for some reason when i go to mythweb

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d0netsFN:

my little preview icons are missing on most of my older recordings

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d0netsFN:

and i cant click it to go view it in the little flash player

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d0netsFN:

any ideas on how to fix this?

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sphery:

d0netsFN: let me guess... These older recordings are those that were recording before the switch to DST?

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d0netsFN:

dst?

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sphery:

Daylight Saving Time

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d0netsFN:

oh yes you are right

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sphery:

Your MythWeb is misconfigured...

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d0netsFN:

hrmm

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sphery:

It /must/ have the exact same time zone as the mythbackend

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sphery:

PHP tries to pick up the proper time zone from the host on which it's running, but it often fails (mainly on certain distros, to remain nameless)

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d0netsFN:

how do i change that

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sphery:

So, you need to put a time zone in /etc/php.ini

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sphery:

I think there are instructions in the MythWeb README

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plipp:

Apache tries to find users in realm "MythTV" when trying to access server/mythweb. Where's that passwd file and where is it being pointed at?

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sphery:

plipp: read the MythWeb README

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sphery:

you have to set up authentication for MythWeb

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sphery:

For both of you, unless your distros unconfigured it, the MythWeb README is available at http://<mythweb_host>:<port>/< . . . h>/README

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sphery:

i.e. you can get to it through the web server

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plipp:

sphery: Apparently knoppmyth has set "something" up, as a pop-up appears for user/password and the log says it tries to find the user from MythTV, and my question is still, where / who points at MythTV? Where can I find that. It sure isn't the config in mythweb/

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plipp:

(which does zit no matter if i configure that or not)

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iamlindoro__:

Ewww, knoppmyth leads to embarrassing skin conditions?

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sphery:

plipp: no idea what default username/passwords knopp may have set for you, but you /need/ to learn where it puts it so you can remove the default and secure your server

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** sphery thinks having a default username/password is even worse than having a completely unprotected MythWeb install **

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sphery:

In the former case, the user mistakenly thinks they're protected.

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sphery:

basically, read up on Apache authentication and/or ask users of your distro how your distro configures it (and note that it has nothing to do with MythWeb)

[15:35:17]

sphery:

but you can use the info about authentication in the MythWeb README as a starting point for finding the info you need

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plipp:

yes I need to learn where it puts it. Therefore the question. Uh oh, not reading up on apache, again..

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gbee:

the mythweb preview thing is a timezone bug, it's known but I think kormoc/xris gave up on finding a solution

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sphery:

gbee: it's fixed in trunk

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iamlindoro__:

It's the same solution as to all user-caused misconfigurations

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gbee:

ah

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iamlindoro__:

mass executions

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sphery:

plipp: the MythWeb conf file says /where/ the file is, you'll have to figure out what to do with that file... Again, the MythWeb README has /lots/ of good info

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: nah, it's not a user config problem, it's mythweb screwing up the time when requesting the preview for stuff recorded during DST etc

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iamlindoro__:

ahhh

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sphery:

gbee: with the QUERY_TIME_ZONE, trunk MythWeb can ask the MBE's time zone, then it sets PHP's time zone appropriately (even if the host is configured differently)

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dashs:

Is there any mpeg decoding hardware (not for capure)?

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dashs:

er, capture.

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iamlindoro__:

Sure. Anything that supports XvMc. Anything that supports VAAPI. Anything that supports VDPAU.

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gbee:

sphery: but we don't send the timezone with program info, do we? Without that mythweb assumes all times it receives are in the current timezone

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sphery:

so, now MythWeb always runs in the same TZ as the MBE... (Of course, it only checks once per day, so if someone changes their MBE's TZ, their MythWeb will be broken for a day.)

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iamlindoro__:

And, probably soonish, anything that supports XvBA

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dashs:

Any pref amonsgt VDPAU, MvMc, etc?

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wagnerrp:

dashs: mpeg decoding hardware does exist... but its really better to just go with a full video card with hardware acceleration

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sphery:

gbee: no time zone sent, but MBE always sends times in local time, so as long as we have the same time zone rules in place (i.e. America/New_York or Europe/London or whatever), it always works

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wagnerrp:

xvmc is buggy, causes some restrictions, and only does partial offload

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sphery:

gbee: So, MythWeb queries once per day and remembers the MBE's TZ ID. Then, it sets that TZ ID for itself so all date math is correct.

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iamlindoro__:

dashs, The only ones that are fully available right now are XvMC and VDPAU. VDPAU is newer and supports more codecs/total hardware offload, but is only available in trunk

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wagnerrp:

vdpau is only available in trunk, and while it seems to work great, most hardware decode solutions cannot handle errors

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gbee:

hmm, I'll have to install mythweb and check that then, I get the feeling that we're still missing the issue

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wagnerrp:

if you have signal drops on DVB, it will cause problems with vdpau

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dashs:

wagnerrp: I bought the ASUS EN8400 that you recommended, I like it thank you, but it doesn't have that decode support.

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wagnerrp:

the 8400 DOES have decode support

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iamlindoro__:

In the end, ffmpeg's new hwaccel API will more or less remove the need to understand each API, as it will support VAAPI, XVMC, VDPAU, and XVBA

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wagnerrp:

i have one, and use it as such

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sphery:

I /highly/ recommend buying a processor with enough power to decode your streams.

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sphery:

software decoding ftw!

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iamlindoro__:

but as sphery says, software decode > hardware decode

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dashs:

wagnerrp: multo bene

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wagnerrp:

however you must use the 180.x branch nvidia drivers, and you must run trunk

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wagnerrp:

if you have a pci-express card, your processor is likely fast enough to decode any mpeg2 you throw at it

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sphery:

and if you run trunk, you have to do a lot of homework to make sure you upgrade at the right times, know what's currently broken, and don't waste devs' time

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gbee:

in -fixes mythbackend sends 15:00 – mythweb looks at the current date, sees that we're in DST, and adds an hour – it displays 16:00 ... mythweb then requests a preview for the recording using 16:00 but of course no such recording exists, preview generation fails and no preview image is displayed

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sphery:

homework = subscribe to and read the mythtv-dev and mythtv-commits lists as well as making sure you search the archives for the info you missed in all the messages sent to those lists since 0.21 was released a year ago

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sphery:

gbee: because MythWeb is using the proper time zone ID, it now knows whether to apply a DST offset for all times in the past and future, so it will request the right time

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plipp:

found it.. /etc/apache2

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dashs:

wagnerrp: I'd like to 'accelerate' mythcommflag if I could — like run it on another processor — can that be done ok over a lan?

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gbee:

sphery: ok cool

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d0netsFN:

ls

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wagnerrp:

dashs: any backend or jobqueue can run a commflag job

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iamlindoro__:

.

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iamlindoro__:

..

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iamlindoro__:

filthyporn.mpg

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sphery:

gbee: I'm pretty sure it's really fixed... If you see any issues, please let me know, though.

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wagnerrp:

there is currently no mechanism to 'accelerate' commflagging using hardware decoding

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dashs:

thanks, guys.

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gbee:

sphery: I don't run mythweb on for my trunk install, but if I get around to setting it up I'll double check

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sphery:

dashs: but by running mythjobqueue (which is basically a very lightweight version of the backend) on any host on the LAN, you can do mythcommflag jobs

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wagnerrp:

dashs: ive even heard of people running mythjobqueue under syslinux in windows

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sphery:

gbee: yeah, don't waste time looking for it--you've got plenty to do and I'm sure users will find any remaining bugs once 0.22 is out the door :), but if you notice...

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gbee:

the problem affected me with 0.21 and still does with the production backend, it was annoying but just not enough that I wanted to spend time on a fix

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sphery:

dashs: and you can run mythjobqueue in a virtual machine on a Windows box...

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** sphery realizes that wagnerrp is about 3 lines faster **

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wagnerrp:

sphery: serves you right for having multiple conversations

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sphery:

Seems context switching is extremely slow on my processor

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dashs:

No Redmond Here

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sphery:

even better...

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sphery:

then just install mythjobqueue and you're off

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dashs:

sphery: sounds excellent

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sphery:

(hope "No Redmond" doesn't mean you have "Cupertino" or "Berkely" or anything)

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sphery:

dashs: note that mythjobqueue does not need "local" access to the files for commflagging, so you don't need NFS mounts. If you use mythjobqueue for running transcode jobs, however, you'll need mounts.

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sphery:

(i.e. mythtranscode requires local access)

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wagnerrp:

whats wrong with berkeley?

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iamlindoro__:

!trout sphery It's Berkeley (or, if you like, Berserkley)

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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a It's Berkeley (or, if you like, Berserkley) trout on behalf of iamlindoro__... **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: AFAIK, compiling Myth on it is a challenge

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sphery:

sorry about the typo

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wagnerrp:

sphery: not so long as you dont have both qt3 and qt4 installed

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sphery:

at least I didn't say, "Berkley" :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: although getting device drivers for it are a different matter...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: cool... Didn't know that BSD support had progressed so far.

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wagnerrp:

0.21 needed some quick fixes to get it running

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wagnerrp:

trunk runs out-of-the-box

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sphery:

cool

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wagnerrp:

although theres some bug im having that i cant get it to record off my HDHR

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wagnerrp:

0.21 would fine, trunk doesnt want to

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** gbee wonders which OS originates at Berkeley **

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gbee:

oh BS

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gbee:

D

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gbee:

duh

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sphery:

Freudian slip there?

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sphery:

forgetting the D

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gbee:

:p

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sphery:

I wonder if my assuming there's no "Santa Clara" (Solaris) or "Armonk" (after IBM buys Sun Microsystems ;) is prejudicial...

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iamlindoro__:

One wonders whether we're all using Helsinki

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro__:

Or whether one considers it more Cambridge/Boston

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iamlindoro__:

I'll go with Helsinki since I hate that bearded weirdo

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sphery:

RMS definitely considers it more Cambridge/Boston than Helsinki

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d0netsFN:

ok sphery

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d0netsFN:

sorry im at work at i got a call

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d0netsFN:

im not seeing an etc/php.ini

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sphery:

Using the RMS name for GNU/Linux as a template, we'd get Cambridge-Boston/Helsinki

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sphery:

d0netsFN: did you read the README (which references the INSTALL) for MythWeb?

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sphery:

from there, you'll have to find out where your distro put the php configuration file

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sphery:

and if there truly is none, you'll have to create it

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sphery:

(though there /should/ be one)

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d0netsFN:

i know theres one

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d0netsFN:

lemme locate it

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d0netsFN:

im showing a few, would it be in /etc/apache2/php.ini

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d0netsFN:

ok im editing that file

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d0netsFN:

lemme see if i see something about timezones

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d0netsFN:

; Defines the default timezone used by the date functions

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d0netsFN:

;date.timezone =

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sphery:

yeah, uncomment and set it to the appropriate Olsen ID

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sphery:

America/New_York or whatever

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d0netsFN:

whats the syntax? CST

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d0netsFN:

k lemme google it

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sphery:

America/Chicago

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d0netsFN:

ok done now what all needs to be done to apply it

[16:14:35]

d0netsFN:

do i need to restart apache and run mythfilldatabase

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sphery:

restart apache

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d0netsFN:

k

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sphery:

you'll also need to clean out the MythWeb data/cache directory

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sphery:

(to get previews)

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RDV_Linux3:

iamlindoro: I know this may be frowned on but within mythvideo "Browse" or "Manage" views is there a way to hit a keyboard letter and automatically reposition to video's starting with that letter. Although I love the eye candy a large collection is a pain to scroll through. While the other views lack in bling. I am talking about my Terra experiences.

[16:18:00]

d0netsFN:

sphery: is it /var/cache/mythweb?

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sphery:

d0netsFN: no, /path/to/mythweb/application/data/cache

[16:18:32]

sphery:

so, like /srv/www/htdocs/mythweb/data/cache

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sphery:

(or /var/lib/www/... if you have one of /those/ distros ;)

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gbee:

RDV_Linux3: if it makes it easier, you can disable 'flat view' in those screens

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d0netsFN:

/var/www/mythweb/data/cache$

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sphery:

yeah, that

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RDV_Linux3:

I will give that a try. Thanks

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d0netsFN:

so just do rm -r in that dir

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sphery:

shouldn't need the -r

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gbee:

Menu > Change View > Disable Flat View

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sphery:

do rm /var/www/mythweb/data/cache/*

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sphery:

or *.png

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gbee:

there isn't a way to jump to a specific letter, I can't see how we'd ever make that work – it assumes we treat a keyboard as a keyboard when in reality A-Z could be bound to jumppoints etc

[16:21:26]

geemark:

i am using the svn trunk version of mythtv, but I have a problem. I cannot get into the "edit keys" settings. the frontend just gives me this error (highlighed): http://pastebin.com/d67c3d9c – both when the frontend is started and when I try to enter "edit keys". any ideas?

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gbee:

we could offer an optional filter list running from A-Z

[16:21:58]

geemark:

and oh, I compiled it without directfb support

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sphery:

geemark: you haven't been reading the -dev and -commits lists

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sphery:

IIRC, mythcontrols is no more

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RDV_Linux3:

gbee: Thanks that is much better. I understand that I am in the minority using as I like using the frontend with keyboard and mouse.

[16:22:30]

gbee:

geemark: rm mythcontrols.so

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geemark:

sphery, true...

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux3, I don't think anyone's averse to the functionality, it's just that nobody has written it yet

[16:23:00]

sphery:

it's built in, now, thanks to gbee

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gbee:

RDV_Linux3: not a minority but we have to gear things to work just as well from a remote

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d0netsFN:

ok nice it worked thanks sphery

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geemark:

i thought a "make distclean", an svn update and a recompile would replace everything?

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gbee:

you would have needed a make uninstall to remove the old plugins first

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geemark:

i see

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gbee:

bit late for that, so you'll have to remove the old cruft manually

[16:24:36]

iamlindoro__:

gbee, That said, a keybinding to bring up the seek window (which could be a textedit) could work

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geemark:

thanks a lot – I will try to do a manual uninstall then – that may also fix some of the other oddities ;)

[16:25:27]

RDV_Linux3:

Can I create key bindings without programming?

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: see the incremental search dialog in mythdialogbox.cpp/h

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux3, you can only bind keys to existing functions, not create new ones (without programming, anyway)

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, I don't have enough files (and have too many other things I'm playing with) to want to do it myself :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: or a seek dialog with options... "By letter" which opens a list of 27 (26 letters + "other" for numbers, etc) and "Search" (or "Find") etc... would be cool

[16:27:39]

sphery:

(and I'm not saying you should do it... Just thinking out loud)

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iamlindoro__:

I definitely see it as a helpful feature, just not one I'm compelled enough to do :)

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RDV_Linux3:

Oh well. I could foresee a control key combo then hitting a few keys within an allot time which would refine the seek to the first letters starting with the keystrokes.

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iamlindoro__:

Someday I'll have a checkout that doesn't differ from the actual code

[16:29:39]

iamlindoro__:

maybe

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: when I get to that point, I realize I've been slacking too much...

[16:30:49]

sphery:

I like to have at least one relatively major patch and a couple of minor patches outstanding or I'm wasting time (i.e. wasting time that could be spent "in queue" :)

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iamlindoro__:

Where's my SG move code?

[16:31:18]

iamlindoro__:

Why are you wasting time talking?

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sphery:

well, waiting for that other relatively major patch to get committed...

[16:32:06]

iamlindoro__:

?

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sphery:

(it was an excuse, not a real thing)

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RDV_Linux3:

iamlindoro: I never thanked you for the correction to the required patch text on the ttvdb wiki page. So thanks.

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux3, oh, pfft, that's no big deal :)

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gbee:

wtf? Five showed the film Gattaca in 4:3?

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iamlindoro__:

That movie didn't get the appreciation in deserved, I liked it a lot

[16:49:43]

iamlindoro__:

s/in/it/

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gbee:

well I've seen it a couple of times and still decided to record it again, so ...

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sphery:

I loved it.

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, occasionally I'll get excited because one of the HD networks is showing a good movie so I record it. Then it's in crappy 4:3.

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sphery:

Especially the name tie-in

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gbee:

sphery: yeah, wonder how many people get the title

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sphery:

don't know...

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sphery:

the credits highlight all the letters, so that might have helped.

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gbee:

ahh, didn't remember that

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sphery:

though if people didn't get the DNA-reference, they may have though they were highlighted because they're in the title :)

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gbee:

yeah, probably a dead giveaway :)

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iamlindoro__:

Pretty decent looking on Blu Ray, too

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sphery:

I heard on Blu-Ray the resolution is so good you can actually see the imperfections in his DNA

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iamlindoro__:

haha

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gbee:

only problem I really have with the film is Uma Thurman

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sphery:

yeah, not my favorite, either

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jams:

she ranks right up there with Nicole Kidman

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iamlindoro__:

I'd still do horrible, naughty things to the both of them

[17:07:08]

iamlindoro__:

Oh, so everyone should check out Kings, I really liked the premiere, second episode on tonight

[17:08:09]

iamlindoro__:

And with BSG god there are precious few non-police-procedural dramas of any value left

[17:08:12]

iamlindoro__:

BSG gone

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, did you see this one on TMDB? http://forums.themoviedb.org/topic/395/finsh- . . . -movie-info/

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gbee:

yeah

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iamlindoro__:

irritating

[17:11:16]

sphery:

iamlindoro__: did you see today's User Friendly comic (that I linked earlier)

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gbee:

got nothing better to do atm than refresh a few sites every couple of hours in the hope of something interesting happening (it hasn't yet)

[17:11:42]

iamlindoro__:

sphery, I looked at it for a moment (but didn't actually do the puzzle)... cute

[17:11:49]

iamlindoro__:

gbee, hehe

[17:12:03]

iamlindoro__:

There's always MythMusic ;)

[17:12:12]

sphery:

yeah, thought it was a nice homage

[17:12:45]

gbee:

still not back in the right mood to work on Myth

[17:13:23]

iamlindoro__:

fair enough

[17:14:30]

sphery:

iamlindoro__: after reading that thread, I'm really glad you helped me get a bit more info about that movie I made...

[17:15:05]

iamlindoro__:

sphery, heh, I really *do* think a submission API would be super-helpful

[17:15:18]

sphery:

I also think it's better for someone to create the movie, even if not putting in all info, as many users are far more likely to update than to create

[17:15:28]

sphery:

Yeah, submission API would be wonderful.

[17:15:40]

sphery:

get all those Myth users involved...

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gbee:

a couple of weeks ago it stopped being fun, paul-h taking the programme guide off my hands helped a little but I need to recharge

[17:15:43]

sphery:

really help out

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iamlindoro__:

When I get bored next I was thinking about re-doing the edit metadata screen to take into account all the videometadata fields, which would allow one to fill in the relevant info, and then just need a little submitter script

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, Well, it's definitely got to be fun, nobody can blame you for taking a break, you've done plenty

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sphery:

There would be much to be gained from a new well-organized edit metadata screen

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sphery:

I would recommend ordering it by importance (more so than "logically" or--worse--table creation order :) so that people are most likely to fill in the most important parts

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iamlindoro__:

I kind of enjoy writing my own synopses for some of my films

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iamlindoro__:

those which don't have any/don't have good ones at TMDB, that is

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iamlindoro__:

It doesn't take much effort to improve some of those, even for well known films

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sphery:

I don't keep mine, so, once I've seen it (and could write a synopsis), I no longer need one :)

[17:18:47]

sphery:

Yeah. With TMDB/TTVDB, I'll actually take the time to correct typos/mistakes/omissions in ones I see.

[17:19:22]

sphery:

I don't (and enjoy not doing it) for IMDb/tv.com (because of my disagreeing with their ToS/stealing my input)

[17:19:54]

iamlindoro__:

I think TMDB has enough momentum now that it is on its way to becoming "the" movie source

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iamlindoro__:

default in myth, default in XBMC (I believe), and at least a few others

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sphery:

wonder what will happen with/to omdb

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iamlindoro__:

Just got to find a financial situation that keeps them reliably afloat

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iamlindoro__:

(TMDB, that is)

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sphery:

yeah... hope the SD help thing works out

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iamlindoro__:

Someone needs to put TMDB in touch with SD (looks at gbee)

[17:21:48]

iamlindoro__:

I only did so for TTVDB

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sphery:

oh, yeah, it's ttvdb that you contacted...

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gbee:

ouch, bitrate on Five USA is lousy – 1hr40min film == 1Gb

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iamlindoro__:

owwie

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sphery:

gbee: since you have a rapport with tmdb, would you be interested in getting Travis in touch with xris regarding financial (or at least hosting/bandwidth) support from SD?

[17:22:28]

gbee:

iamlindoro__: better someone associated with SD makes that approach

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gbee:

hmm, well I can try

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, I did so for TVDB the other day, xris seemed ok with it

[17:23:23]

iamlindoro__:

sounded promising on both sides

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sphery:

iamlindoro__ did that for ttvdb and xris seemed pleased... I think it's easier for someone who knows both projects to get the communication going

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sphery:

heh... slow-typing me

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jams:

http://jmeyer.us/screens/network1.png <= is it worthwhile to make the MTU line triggered by a checkbox that says something like "Jumbo frames" ?

[17:37:49]

jams:

or any other ideas on how to fit it into the screen?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'd put MTU down at the bottom since most people won't/shouldn't touch that and give it a hefty warning in the help text.

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jams:

That was my first thought, but so far my attempts at the "easy way" keeps placing it in odd spots. Guess the correct way of doing it is more coding then I wanted todo right now.

[17:51:00]

jams:

Captain_Murdoch- it was requested to enable jumbo frames.

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, I understand why it's good to have it there, but we should warn people that they can't set it high if they aren't fully-Gig-E for all systems involved.

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iamlindoro__:

jams, What in the world would be gained from jumbo frames in a myth context?

[17:55:53]

iamlindoro__:

or is this just for interoperability on the same subnet?

[17:56:14]

iamlindoro__:

I've always found enforcing the jumbo frame MTU across the subnet to be more trouble than it was worth

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sphery:

is it Myth proper or a MythVantage (distro) config?

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jams:

iamlindoro_- it's not needed for myth, but some people like their jumbo sized frames.

[18:02:44]

jams:

sphery- distro

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro_, commflagging for some people, seektable rebuilding, other User Jobs that have high file I/O such as myth_archive_job.pl which moves files around.

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sphery:

or the SG move code that I still have to look at :)

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sphery:

don't make me miss the airplane work next week!

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro_, do you have a current version of the avidemux export patch for trunk?

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iamlindoro__:

Captain_Murdoch, I guess that's a good point, I hadn't thought of the inter-backend/jobqueue communications-- though my experience has always been that disk + CPU tend to be my limiters there more often than not

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iamlindoro__:

Captain_Murdoch, I can probably fix something up, it's only a single line change IIRC-- it's not a pretty patch and I've mostly abandoned it in favor of working on a proper h.264 cut solution in mythtranscode

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iamlindoro__:

Gimme a few minutes, I'll get something going against current trunk

[18:06:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

no biggie, I think I just need to add a few lines about PlayerContext.

[18:06:39]

Captain_Murdoch:

about to try that.

[18:06:59]

iamlindoro__:

I probably ought to revisit that patch eventually, there are a lot of improvements I could make to it

[18:08:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

I was wondering if it was best left to an external script in contrib.

[18:08:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

couldn't get to frame rate that way though until we store that in the DB.

[18:08:43]

Captain_Murdoch:

in recordedfile.fps

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iamlindoro__:

Either way, I really wouldn't care if the ticket gets closed wontfix, I intend to solve the problem a different (better) way at some point

[18:09:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

ok. I'll just close it for now saying a better solution is being worked on.

[18:09:21]

iamlindoro__:

yeah, works for me

[18:09:38]

Captain_Murdoch:

had it in my TODO in a list of tickets to look at.

[18:09:39]

iamlindoro__:

Some people are using it, I just don't think it's a very pretty solution

[18:09:51]

iamlindoro__:

just the only game in town for now for HD-PVR

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iamlindoro__:

Captain_Murdoch, Tahnks for taking the time to look at/ask about it, though

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dubstar_04:

I would like some advice if possible. I have a frontend only machine in the bedroom and i have been having problems with it being slow. the slowness can be seen mainly when in the live guide, for example i will press down 3 times on the remote and the machine will lock up for 10 seconds. if i do the same thing with the keyboard there is no problem.

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro_, yw.

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iamlindoro__:

Captain_Murdoch, My current play is to work on a lossless fallback option where, if the container is a transport stream, but not MPEG-2, it'll find the nearest keyframe to the cutpoint and just copy the origin file byte offsets into the transcoded file-- GOP accuracy only, but still an okay start

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iamlindoro__:

s/play/plan/

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jams:

turns out moving it to the bottom was easier then first thought. Amazing what taking a break will do.

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Captain_Murdoch:

yy down down down down pp

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Captain_Murdoch:

:)

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Captain_Murdoch:

sorry, only 1 p

[18:59:27]

Captain_Murdoch:

got carried away there.

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iamlindoro__:

up up down down left right left right B A start?

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jhp:

Hi everyone. I have a little question. I'm using Mythtv for some time now and it is really nice. But there is one thing that I could use. When I'm programming 5 programs in a row to record, the cutover from program 1 to program 2 is never correct.

[19:00:49]

iamlindoro__:

And don't give me that "select start" business, either

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Captain_Murdoch:

that key sequence would have brought up the hidden tetris game in mythtv-setup

[19:01:09]

jhp:

What I would like is that he tapes like 5 minutes before and after the program to both streams.

[19:02:00]

** Captain_Murdoch put a special key sequence to bring up a tetris game in a sales/tech support PowerBuilder app he wrote eons ago. **

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jhp:

So that when he records program A and this program is finished and he start recording program B, that the first 5 minutes of program B are also recorded at the end of Program A.

[19:02:15]

cityLights1:

hi all , does anyone uses distcc here?

[19:02:21]

cityLights1:

I mean to build mythtv

[19:02:25]

** cesman has **

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Captain_Murdoch:

cityLights1, /me does

[19:03:02]

cityLights1:

and before I forget I want to thank all the ppl here that helped me getting mythtv up and running

[19:03:16]

Captain_Murdoch:

jhp, only possible in certain instances.

[19:03:28]

cityLights1:

ok, back to distcc, how can I tell which host will get how many cc1 sessions?

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jhp:

Captain_Murdoch: What do you mean with "certain instances" ?

[19:04:10]

cityLights1:

gentoo disable the option to build mythtv using distcc, did any one have luck building with distcc 0.22 ?

[19:04:37]

cityLights1:

I am considering setting a cron task to build it each night

[19:04:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

jhp, can't do it with one analog tuner. I think it may be possible with multirec on digital tuners, but I can't say for sure. haven't had a chance to test multirec on my HDHR yet.

[19:06:00]

jhp:

I thought it would be easy becaue it is allready picked up by the tuner, so you only have to write it to 2 streams at once.

[19:06:01]

Captain_Murdoch:

and if you use the pre/postroll it will get dropped sometimes. the startearly/endlate are hard times that may cause a conflict in that situation unless you have multiple (physical or virtual) tuners available.

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Captain_Murdoch:

cityLights1, I build -fixes and trunk with distcc. fedora and centos

[19:07:13]

jhp:

I use the endlate option but that is only possible when there is no recording programmed after that.

[19:07:28]

cityLights1:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks

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cityLights1:

Captain_Murdoch: 0.21 I am guessing. can you control how many cc1 instance a host take? can you limit it?

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netrix:

is it possible to get mythfrontend to start in a certain mode? ie. to have to go straight to mythmusic hwen it starts?

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Captain_Murdoch:

cityLights1, distccd -j # see "man distccd"

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cityLights1:

and my second question is: can I have two computers with tv cards running myth backend work together?

[19:10:46]

Captain_Murdoch:

so you can control it at the distccd end but not distcc end I think.

[19:10:59]

Captain_Murdoch:

cityLights1, yes, the second would be a slave backend.

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cityLights1:

thanks a lot, where to read?

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abqjp:

jhp, you could always get one of directv's HD-DVR's. They have the feature you are asking for. If you want it in myth, feel free to write that feature. I am sure lots of people would appreciate it.

[19:13:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

cityLights1, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.3

[19:13:53]

cityLights1:

thanks mate

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abqjp:

jhp, your other option is to to buy more tuners/capture devices.

[19:14:32]

jhp:

abqjp: I'm not that much of a programmer :-(

[19:14:36]

cityLights1:

is there any german speaking member here?

[19:14:56]

cityLights1:

I am seeking to buy a pvr 250 at germany , but only speak english...

[19:15:20]

abqjp:

jhp, I do remember someone saying that adding that feature was on their TODO list, but was WAY down on the list. I don't remember who that was, unfortunately.

[19:16:39]

netrix:

hello. does anyone know how the plugin parameter used with mythfrontend? can it be used to have mythfrontend start and go right to say mythmusic?

[19:17:01]

jhp:

abqjp: Would be great if it get's available.

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sphery:

and it's likely that it will drop farther and farther down on their TODO list with multirec already existing and more and more people switching to DVB/ATSC

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bulle:

cityLights1: the pvr 250 has been discontinued for quite some time as far as i know

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sphery:

jhp: However, the /best/ solution--as abqjp mentioned--is to just buy more capture cards

[19:17:34]

bulle:

cityLights1: the thing they sell nowadays is pvr 150 and 500 afaik, but they are sometimes a bit hard to get aswell, as mostly its dvb all around nowadays

[19:18:05]

jhp:

sphery: I have 1 dual tuner card and I more or less always can record anything I nee.d

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cityLights1:

bulle: thanks, I am looking for second hand forums in german

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Captain_Murdoch:

netrix, try "mythfrontend mythmusic" or similar. That will fire off that plugin immediately on startup. you can't get out of the plugin though.

[19:18:10]

sphery:

jhp: significantly cheaper approach than writing the code yourself (or paying for it to be done)--and the only solution likely to exist in the next few years

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sphery:

jhp: so with one more dual tuner, you'd be able to do start early/end late on every recording

[19:18:44]

bulle:

cityLights1: myth supports 150 and 500 just as well as 250, so no need to go for a 250

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sphery:

jhp: so, what $50 – $150 to get the perfect setup?

[19:18:50]

bulle:

cityLights1: unless someone is selling one, realy cheap

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jhp:

The only thing is that you sometimes can't throw something away because it contains the beginning or end of something you want to keep.

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netrix:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks, i tried a few different options without any luck. but if thats true then about not being able to get out of it it's unsuitable for me. thanks for the info tho.

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cityLights1:

bulle: quality in the 250 is considered best as far as I can read in the net

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Captain_Murdoch:

netrix, you can always use the telnet NetworkControl interface to send a command to make mythfrontend jump to a plugin right after you start it.

[19:19:52]

bulle:

cityLights1: oh, i havent realy seen any difference between the 250 and 150 card, i have both

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bulle:

cityLights1: but if you say so

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sphery:

cityLights1: IMHO, quality is something you'll never see from NTSC--and, I'd bet that quality in PAL isn't primarily dependent upon which model of PVR-x50 you have (i.e. the format is what kills the quality)

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netrix:

Captain_Murdoch: thats what I have done using python to control mythfrontend with the telnetlib. was wondering if it was reinventing the wheel when I saw the plugin parameter.

[19:20:55]

bulle:

sphery: the real killer is the fact that you go from digital -> analog -> digital

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sphery:

bulle: agreed, but not so much because of analog... digital -> NTSC/PAL -> digital kills

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netrix:

Captain_Murdoc: the problem is the telnet interface is not immediately available after starting myth. it takes a moment for it to be up. however i can script around that problem. thanks for your help.

[19:22:03]

sphery:

bulle: the HD-PVR goes digital -> analog -> digital and quality is /really/ good

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cityLights1:

thaks guys for your input, where can I buy a 500 in Germany?

[19:22:28]

cityLights1:

I need it to wok in PAL

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sphery:

cityLights1: TTBOMK, the PVR-150/250/350/500 are out of production... There are new HVR-xx00 models that replace them, but I don't know the status of support. If you were in the US looking to get a PVR-xx0, I'd recommend ebay

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bulle:

sphery: hd-pvr ? is that the hauppauge thingy, that has component input ?

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sphery:

bulle: yeah

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bulle:

sphery: here, as in sweden, thy still list the teh 150 and 500 as available, but only in bulk pack, not in retail pack

[19:24:05]

bulle:

sphery: is the linux support for those things good ?

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meshe:

cityLights1: i just picked up a pvr-150 with remote and blaster for $50 CAD, but they also have it on sale in their US site for $40

[19:24:18]

sphery:

that may be... Perhaps they're phasing out at different times in different parts of the world

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Captain_Murdoch:

netrix, telnet interface should be up before the GUI, it gets initted before the theme is even located.

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cityLights1:

bulle: please prive messge me the current price for 500

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bulle:

cityLights1: in sweden ?

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bocaJWho:

I would also look into pcHDTV

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Captain_Murdoch:

netrix, may not be safe to use it though until the GUI is up. :) I never tested that when I wrote the telnet/NetworkControl interface.

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cityLights1:

my HCR-1110 gives bad quality

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cityLights1:

bulle: in euro

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bulle:

cityLights1: 80 euro, for the 150

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cityLights1:

for 500?

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bulle:

cityLights1: 150–160 euro for the pvr 500

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cityLights1:

thnaks

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cityLights1:

what did the retail incluse that the bulk is missing?

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bulle:

cityLights1: the remote afaik

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bulle:

cityLights1: but you dont realy want the hauppauge remote, just buy a mce remote instead imho

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bulle:

cityLights1: but arent most stuff in germany dvb by now ?

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bulle:

cityLights1: if so, better get a dvb c,t,s setup instead

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bulle:

sphery: so, linux support for those hd hauppauge thingies ? does it exist, how well does it work, how many can i connect to one machine ?

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cityLights1:

thnaks

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sphery:

bulle: Only Myth's trunk version has support and trunk still has a ways to go before it's 0.22 (i.e. much left to fix)... There's a driver and I think it's working pretty well. I don't have an HD-PVR, though (as I have no sources of HDTV other than the OTA that I'm recording directly).

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sphery:

bulle: My recommendation would be to wait for 0.22 before counting on the HD-PVR...

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bulle:

sphery: hmmm, i just noticed that they have recently started selling the hd-pvr here in sweden, and, i only have one pci slot in my htpc, so i either need usb/firewire or pci-express, so that hd-pvr thing might be intresting

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sphery:

(someone in the dev channel was just talking about problems he's having due to runaway preview generation processes on HD-PVR recordings causing I/O waits that kill his recordings)

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bulle:

sphery: uhoh

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** bulle will wait then **

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sphery:

Yeah, it's going to be a /wonderful/ thing once all the kinks are worked out.

[19:33:31]

bulle:

or just order an extra dvb-c setup, but that means ordering stuff form germany

[19:33:38]

bulle:

wich is fiddly, and takes time

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bulle:

but that way, i get it all digital, wich is nice

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sphery:

yeah, direct from digital is a nice way to get it--as long as you can get it unencrypted or your country supports hardware CAM

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quantum__:

for some reason I am getting some skipping on playback. I even get some skipping on playing back mp3's. Does anyone have any idea what would be causing this

[20:07:36]

quantum__:

it doesn't seem like the cpu or hd is maxed out during playback

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quantum__:

anybody online?

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Tomas-:

check cables etc.. and try playback with different software

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messerting:

quantum__: maybe HAL is polling your DVD drive?

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messerting:

there's a tool called 'powertop', might want to try it

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messerting:

maybe also 'iotop'

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quantum__:

messerting: actually dvd playback is the onlything that doesn't skip

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quantum__:

though I think if I rip it I do get some skipping

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messerting:

quantum__: hm, strange

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quantum__:

seems like back on FC7 I didn't have any of these issues , now with FC10 skipping....looks like mythtv uses pulseaudio for the audio playback

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messerting:

quantum__: ah, F10 + pulseaudio – we're in the same boat

[20:16:26]

messerting:

I guess the problem is with pulseaudio/ALSA

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messerting:

I have similar problems

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quantum__:

yeah could be so what the heck is the solution...

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messerting:

I had some success a while ago when I simply removed pulseaudio

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quantum__:

doesn't myth need pulseaudio?

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messerting:

but now I think too much stuff depends it

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messerting:

don't think so

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iamlindoro__:

no, myth doesn't need/use pulseaudio directly in any way

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iamlindoro__:

and is far better off removing it from your system

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messerting:

# yum remove kde-settings-pulseaudio alsa-plugins-pulseaudio

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messerting:

# yum remove pulseaudio padevchooser pavucontrol pavumeter

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messerting:

(on your own risk – pay attention to dependencies!)

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iamlindoro__:

Myth uses ALSA or OSS. it can only use pulse through the ALSA emulation layer

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quantum__:

well let me kill pulseaudio and see if anything breaks

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messerting:

quantum__: I think it will start itself automatically when somehting wants to use the alsa layer

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messerting:

I've spent some hours fighting that thing :)

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quantum__:

actally it looks like the frontend died with some messages about O: dropping back audio_buffer_unused or WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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quantum__:

AudioOutput Error: WriteAudio: unable to recover from xrun: Input/output error

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quantum__:

mythfrontend: pcm_pulse.c:364: pulse_write: Assertion `pcm->stream' failed.

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quantum__:

Aborted

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messerting:

You might want to try #pulseaudio

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quantum__:

where woudl I comment it out?

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messerting:

I mean the IRC channel #pulseaudio :)

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quantum__:

yeah o.k. I post the questino there and see if anyone has any ideas

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quantum__:

I did did a yum update and killed pulseaudio, so far I am not hearing any skipping. Wonder if the update fixed something or killing pulse audio....

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messerting:

quantum__: I will put my money on the death of pulseaudio (r.i.p). Good it worked out

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quantum__:

yeah could be...have to keep an eye on it now that I know more what to look for

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zelda_:

hello. Does anyone know if the HVR-1600 is fully compatible?

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zelda_:

or the 2250

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Dagmar:

Teh google, it nows all

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Lexridge:

zelda: My HVR1600 works pretty darm good. The DVB signal strength doesn't work, but everything else seems to work great.

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tank-man:

he parted the channel

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Lexridge:

oh yea, I guess he did. Doh!

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d0netsFN:

hey could someone recommend a tv tuner card that will work with HD from a comcast digital box?

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d0netsFN:

oh and reasonably priced

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RDV_Linux3:

iamlindoro or gbee: Is there a way to get Terra to look for folder cover images in the same directory as for movie posters? It seems redundant to have movie and TV series covers in both the video's directory and in a common cover directory.

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iamlindoro__:

RDV_Linux3, folder images aren't controlled by theme, and no, it's just a special case image handling for folder.jpg (or as a fallback, any image) in a MythVideo director

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iamlindoro__:

y

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iamlindoro__:

when/if directory preferences for MythVideo ever get written, that would be one of many things I would like to see there

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Der_Thomas:

Hey all, I have a Pinnacle PCTV 800i DVB card giving HD input to my Mythbox, which is running a Athlon X2 BE-2300.

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Der_Thomas:

I'm get terrible results worse then my old box that was running a AMD Athlon XP 3000+ Barton Core

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RDV_Linux3:

Thanks. I really like enabling the flat view in combination with Gallery view so I missed a little bling, When I figured out why the covers for directories were not showed it surprised me, I may write a script to create links in the video directories. That may let me have my cake and eat it too.

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Der_Thomas:

am I battling config issues or is this hardware just not powerfull enough for HD?

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Der_Thomas:

I thought that going from 32 bit single core to 64 bit duel core would have made the HD playback better not worse

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RDV_Linux3:

iamlindoro: FYI – Ben the author of tvdb_api has taken my request for multi-language searches and elevated it to a bug for tvdb_api. We both agree that the issues is with the python urllib.quote()'s fault. From what I have read this function seems to have some issues converting utf-8 strings into URL strings.

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RDV_Linux3:

The issue seems to be small but enough that the search fails to find the TV series. While the same series name can be found if you search through the thetvdb.com site rather than the sites api. There is no ETA on the bug fix.

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gbee:

well VDPAU isn't the holy grail, can't play some BBC HD recordings I've just copied over to this machine :/

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: your be-2300 is hardly better than your xp3000+

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: when it comes to myth

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Der_Thomas:

yeah looks that way

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Der_Thomas:

I guess I don't get why though. Shouldn't duel core be faster then single?

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mchou:

nope

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justinh:

depends on whether the 'hd' is encoded in slices or not

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mchou:

it's all about clock

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justinh:

if not, multiple cores gain you nothing over a single core

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mchou:

since decode is mostly singlethreaded

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Der_Thomas:

ah OK, I see

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justinh:

until such time as we all have access to threaded frame decoding.. which is a very big work in progress over there in ffmpeg land

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: you made a poor choice in your proc

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Der_Thomas:

haha, well it actually wan't a choice, long story...

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Der_Thomas:

wasn't

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Der_Thomas:

just ended up with it and thought that I would give it a try as my myth FE

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mchou:

and xp3000+ is beefy enough for 720p/1080i if you have xvmc/vdpau

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Der_Thomas:

actually the XP3000+ wan't – it skipped all the time with XvMC

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Der_Thomas:

and I couldn't use the OSD at all

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mchou:

no, that's because you are using a recent kernel with broken nvidia xvmc

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mchou:

in the nvidia driver, that is

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mchou:

older kernels and driver work just fine

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Der_Thomas:

funny that way huh?

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Der_Thomas:

guess that happens

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mchou:

nothing funny about it. nvidia is going down

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Der_Thomas:

so if I was going to keep this mobo, how much faster of a proc would I need?

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justinh:

yeah, all those shills who hang out here supporting nvidia better hope out for a new messiah. eh

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mchou:

which mobo you referring to? We arent clairevoyant

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Der_Thomas:

sorry I was just looking it up:

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Der_Thomas:

ECS GF8200A

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Der_Thomas:

http://www.ecsusa.com/ECSWebSite/Products/Pro . . . &LanID=9

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mchou:

get something that has minimum clock of 2.5Ghz

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mchou:

frys has a nice sale for efficient 5600+ X2

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mchou:

around $58

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mchou:

that should give you plenty headroom for mpeg

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Der_Thomas:

wow, that's pretty cheap

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mchou:

http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 37&type=

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mchou:

$55

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mchou:

get it before tax rate here goes up to 9.25%

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Der_Thomas:

cool thank man

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edoceo:

Does an X Windows package need to be installed to run Myth front end?

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iamlindoro__:

yes

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edoceo:

just a minimal amount tho correct?

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sphery:

and more specifically, an X Windows package needs to be installed to install Qt, which is a requirement for Myth (frontends /and/ backends)

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sphery:

For mythfrontend, you should run X and a window manager... For minimal, go with RatPoison (uses about 300kB of RAM)

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sphery:

http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/

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edoceo:

sweet!

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SQlvpapir^:

hmm compiling myth only uses one core on my 64bit debian machine.. gcc is capable of using both right?

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meshe:

make -j 3

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meshe:

actually: make -j <number of cores> + 1

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SQlvpapir^:

ah cleaver thanks

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SQlvpapir^:

if I use ./configure --prefix=/usr will everything created by make install go inside that dir? ie. I dont have to keep the source around to clean it out?

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iamlindoro__:

/usr would be the prefix, not everything would go into /usr itself.

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iamlindoro__:

binaries to /usr/bin, shared to /usr/share, libs to /usr/lib, etc.

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SQlvpapir^:

sure

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SQlvpapir^:

thanks

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