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Der_Thomas: |
Hi everyone, I just updated the OS on my FE and now the tuner in the FE does not show up. |
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Der_Thomas: |
I've installed it correctly and it works outside of myth |
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Der_Thomas: |
I've run mythtv-setup and added the tuner, source channels etc |
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Der_Thomas: |
however there is no option to change tuners in the OSD when watching live TV |
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Der_Thomas: |
anyone around that can help me troubleshoot this? |
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Der_Thomas: |
My FE is Ubuntu latest |
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iamlindoro: |
Well, the most obvious question/comment is that frontends don't get tuners... so for it to show up, you'll need a backend running on that frontend system |
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iamlindoro: |
in essence, to make it a slave backend |
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Der_Thomas: |
my card is Pinnacle PCTV HD Card (800i) |
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Der_Thomas: |
yes, it is also running mythbackend itslef |
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iamlindoro: |
what do the backend logs on that system say when you start it? |
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iamlindoro: |
Check them, and check that is says "starting as a slave backend" |
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Der_Thomas: |
yes it does: |
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Der_Thomas: |
"Running as a slave backend." |
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Der_Thomas: |
form log |
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Der_Thomas: |
from |
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iamlindoro: |
and since setting up that card, have you restarted the master backend? |
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Der_Thomas: |
yes |
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Der_Thomas: |
several times |
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iamlindoro: |
Then you will need to pastebin your backend logs from both backends |
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Der_Thomas: |
I just restarted the slave BE: http://pastebin.com/m67bc728f |
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iamlindoro: |
"Using localhost value of mythfe" |
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iamlindoro: |
your slave backend doesn't have a real IP set |
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iamlindoro: |
in mythtv-setup |
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iamlindoro: |
looks like it's probably set to localhost or 127.0.0.1 |
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Der_Thomas: |
here is output from restarting my MBE: http://pastebin.com/m685d6c5d |
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Der_Thomas: |
I'll check the IP, but pretty sure I changed it |
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Der_Thomas: |
yeah just ran mythtv-setup and it is set to 192.168.1.101 |
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iamlindoro: |
All values on *all* hosts, including all mysql.txt and config.xml files for all relevant users, need to be real IP addresses if you want two backends to work together |
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Der_Thomas: |
does it matter if 192.168.1.101 (my SBE/FE machine) is a dynamic IP set by my router DHCP? I have no other devices so it will be sudo static |
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jroysdon: |
So long as it doesn't change, but if there are no other devices, then just leave it set to locahost, no? |
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iamlindoro: |
jroysdon, There are two backends. By definition there are other devices. |
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jroysdon: |
Right, so he made a false statement ;-p |
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jroysdon: |
Better to set a dhcp reservation in your server/router or set the IP statically |
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iamlindoro: |
The other device is a static IP |
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Der_Thomas: |
sorry that was probably confusing, my MBE has a static IP set so I ment there are no other dynamic IP devices |
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jroysdon: |
ah, sorry, coming into the conversation after not seeing all of it. It will work, but I would not do it, as the chances of you never connecting anything else to the network is rare, and it'll be in that blue moon time that someone else will get a lease and things will break. |
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jroysdon: |
(It shouldn't, and the BE should keep the IP lease always, but I've seen strange things with dhcp) |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, http://rafb.net/p/FwcleX48.html |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, Keep seeing this occasionally, not sure why that happens |
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Der_Thomas: |
yeah, I will make the SBE have a static IP, just haven't gotten around to it yet. The dynamic was the default |
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jroysdon: |
give it a static outside of the dhcp server scope range too |
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Der_Thomas: |
right, of course |
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Der_Thomas: |
but for this purpose you don't think that the dynamic IP is the cause of my tuner not showing up? |
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jroysdon: |
no |
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jroysdon: |
It has no idea that it is static/dynamic |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, never mind, looks like I left a copy of your old script in my SVN code, got an old copy |
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Der_Thomas: |
right, OK that is what I thought. Any ideas as to why I can't get this tuner to show up? |
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Der_Thomas: |
I get my tuner from my MBE to work no problem, but not the one in my SBE |
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jroysdon: |
Sorry, I haven't done any work with more than one BE just yet |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, Am getting host not found on the downloads again, though |
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deeemac: |
having an issue with setting a left channel volume with AlsaMixer, the Q and Z keys are not working for it, is it possible to set the left channel level with amixer? |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, well, I'll see about fixing the redirects in the download code, it ought to be there anyway. Will add in Banner download while I'm at it |
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deeemac: |
this is a really strange problem, I found how to change the level of both the left and right channels, but video mixer is not letting me change the level I'm doing sudo amixer -c 1 set Video,0 0% 0% |
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deeemac: |
it shows as setting to 0%, but when I go back, to look at the levels it says front left 20 [100%] |
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deeemac: |
and the right channel is 0% |
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thread: |
can anyone take a stab at what might cause this error? |
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RDV_Linux: |
iamlindoro: If any obviously wrong "series not found" messages occur they are almost certainly the one known caching bug that still exists. At least yours was an old code issue. As far as the redirects are concerned I sure hope that something can be done in Mythvideo as I hate overriding the regular URL. |
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thread: |
2009-03–19 21:29:18.694 DVBChan(4:0) Error: SetChannelByString(2): Failed to initialize multiplex options |
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RDV_Linux: |
Besides I download from the un-doctored URL without issue with my other scripts. |
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thread: |
2009-03–19 21:29:18.694 TVRec(4) Error: Failed to set channel to 2. Reverting to kState_None |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, you may want to resync with my code later tonight-- adding banner download for TV, and changing the naming scheme for TV to "$title Season $season#.jpg" |
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iamlindoro: |
the downloader naming scheme, that is |
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iamlindoro: |
that way when mythvideo downloads a file, it will automatically be named properly for use in Watch Recordings |
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RDV_Linux: |
iamlindoro: Is it possible to have an override name scheme on the command line? I already use "seriesid.ext" (74590,jpg) and "seriesid-seasonnum.ext" (75690–01,jpg). I suspect people are going to want their own format. |
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RDV_Linux: |
Also not every series has season specific posters and banners so I look for the season level graphics first and fallback to the top rated series graphics if the season one was not found. |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, There's no support for anything in the mythvideo downloader for anything but the inetref right now (the TVDB or TMDB series ID) |
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iamlindoro: |
and that number is useless to the Watch Recordings Screen |
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iamlindoro: |
and to humanity at large, for that matter |
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iamlindoro: |
The watch recordings screen needs an image named for the show, or the show + eason/episode information to find it |
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iamlindoro: |
this modification makes MythVideo download images to a filename that makes much more sense, and is pre-configured to work with the Watch Recording screen |
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J-e-f-f-A: |
But... but... I want to watch "1239926"... ;-) |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, you can go on using your code in the way you have, I'm not touching your script, only changing the filename pattern MythVideo uses |
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iamlindoro: |
s/uses/downloads/ |
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RDV_Linux: |
Oh well. I was creating a renamer script as I now have a mixture of IMDB numbers and series id numbers for my TV shows already. Part of bleeding edge I guess. |
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Mr_Grieves||: |
Hrm, on the latest svn I'm getting errors about not having lame installed. I have libmp3lame in /usr/lib...what else would it be looking for? |
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Lexridge: |
try lame-devel |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, Movies should stay their inetref (well technically I think they should be named similarly but that's legacy code) but I don't see any reason the TTVDB downloads should be named anything besides what they are |
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Lexridge: |
Mr_Grieves: When a compile complains something is missing, 99% of the time it means you do not have the devel pkg installed. |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, and allowing the user to specify how they're named would only give the user the capacity to break their compatibility with the Watch Recordings screen, which was my who reason for changing it in the first place |
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iamlindoro: |
er whole |
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Mr_Grieves||: |
Lexridge: D'oh — I'm still getting used to the concept of devel packages, I just switched from gentoo to ubuntu. No need to worry about devel there :) |
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Lexridge: |
I need help too :( After installing F8, I can no longer play back my pre-recorded HD content. It freezes, while audio still plays, but skips as well. I have the latest stable nvidia drivers (180.29) installed as well, from nvidia's site... |
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RDV_Linux: |
In my meta data maintenance script I referred to earlier today, I allow for a user specified file name format in a configuration file that allows any pattern that contains series name, season and episode numbers, episode name and series id, So in the end I am OK without ever is chosen. |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, that's fine, but it's outside of the Myth*video* download behavior |
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iamlindoro: |
you can go on using your script and naming things what you like |
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RDV_Linux: |
OK |
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Lexridge: |
plus it is using 100% of the CPU (both cores) while attempting to playback. I had this problem before (under FC6), but cannot remember what I did to fix it. |
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iamlindoro: |
If I get some extra time I'll look at making it user-formattable, but that will require changes to the Watch Recordings screen, and it's already tough enough to get a commit without having to track down two people to do it |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, well, I've got the banner downloader working, but the host not found bit continues to irritate me/render the script screwy |
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iamlindoro: |
(and prevent download altogether) |
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sphery: |
huh... In -fixes if you change the poster for MythVideo (same filename), it doesn't show the change until you restart the frontend (re-creating image cache, perhaps) |
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RDV_Linux: |
When I started downloading graphics from thetvdb.com I followed the naming convention used for movies in mythvideo which was imdb numbers. Series name are better in the long run. |
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RDV_Linux: |
Does the download issue come and go in conjunction with how slow the site is? |
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Mr_Grieves||: |
Hrm, no lame-devel in kubuntu — only lame. |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, as near as I can tell, the .nyud.net stuff decides to resolve... eventually |
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iamlindoro: |
apt-cache search liblame |grep dev |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, It's actually nice to go back and re-download some stuff as the user ratings are worth having (I had everything else set) |
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Mr_Grieves||: |
iamlindoro: returns a prompt |
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iamlindoro: |
apt-cache search lame |grep dev |
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** Mr_Grieves|| slinks away ** |
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Mr_Grieves||: |
Don't know how I missed that. Thanks :) |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, can you please return "Runtime:" in the script? That's a pretty important one IMO |
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RDV_Linux: |
I wonder if there is a closer mirror to you I suspect the "nyud" maybe a NewYork mirror. With my old script _v0.8.0 you may be able to find out if you get a different mirror site by trying it in mythvideo then reading the text jpg file it downloads. |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, where runtime = length, of course |
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iamlindoro: |
Otherwise you end up with nice metadata that tells you an episode is 0 minutes long :) |
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RDV_Linux: |
Let me check a few thing on run time, right now I am returning all available tvdb,com meta data. May be the key has a different name then what myth expects. |
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iamlindoro: |
nothing I can see in the returned values that resembles runtime |
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iamlindoro: |
it would shock me to learn they don't keep that info |
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iamlindoro: |
well, I guess nothing should shock me |
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J-e-f-f-A: |
I'll bet 'clever' getting a brand-new computer would... ;-) |
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iamlindoro: |
Ugh, people asking for JYA to post his trunk builds |
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iamlindoro: |
I guess people are eager enough for .22 that they intend to put out their own |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, sure enough, it appears there's no field for length on their site-- now *that's* just plain silly |
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iamlindoro: |
All that info and no length. |
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iamlindoro: |
Good thing I have a script that handles these things for me, but... :) |
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RDV_Linux: |
There is a generic series run time (e.g. Fringe 60 minutes) but not episode specific. Surely you do not want the generic run time. I will do if I can access it and you want it. |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, well if that's the best it can do it should return that |
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iamlindoro: |
I prefer close info over no info |
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iamlindoro: |
also, as a suggestion, you might consider allowing a --lang option for the grabber that will prefer the -D information in another language if avaialble, then fall back to english |
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iamlindoro: |
Lots and *lots* of non-english speaking myth users out there |
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iamlindoro: |
ie --lang=de will prefer german, etc. |
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RDV_Linux: |
Maybe I could get the runtime from the video file and add it in. That may be beyond my skills but I could give it a try. Would you want that if I could do it? |
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iamlindoro: |
The grabber shouldn't directly access the video file *at all* |
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iamlindoro: |
As we are moving towards functionality where the grabber and file may well be on entirely different filesystems with nothing but the myth protocol to stream them |
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iamlindoro: |
Don't worry about it if you can't get it |
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Lexridge: |
Ah, fixed my HD playback problem Apparently I forgot to enable OpenGL within Mythfrontend. Doh! Works very well now. |
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iamlindoro: |
it's not a big deal |
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RDV_Linux: |
Ok back to plan A – the generic series runtime. I need to do some digging before I can commit to that option. |
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iamlindoro: |
Worst comes to worst when gbee finishes his preview generation code I can use that to get length |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, if it's possible, it's possible, no need for miracles |
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iamlindoro: |
gbee has a patch to allow preview (screenshot) generation in MythVideo-- that'll involve a process that will allow me to get length, most likely |
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RDV_Linux: |
As far as language is concerned ttvdb already have a language filter (-l) based on your installations local language. It does not fall back to English if there are no local language graphics. The fall back seems like a worth enhancement. I will put it on the list. |
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iamlindoro: |
people are way too generous with their user ratings on this site :) |
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KhaZ__: |
Hi! Quick dumb question, I'm looking into MythTV as a replacement for TwonkyMedia manager – I basically use it to stream stuff to my 360. Reading up on the UPnP stuff on the MythTV website, it seems to say that this is possible with the 360. Has anyone run both Twonky and MythTV and can say which is better suited for this purpose? |
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sphery: |
KhaZ__: TTBOMK, the main limitation is the types of media that the XBox 360 will accept via UPnP. It doesn't accept MPEG-2, which--at least in the US--is the majority of MythTV recordings. |
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sphery: |
Myth can stream recordings via UPnP, but the 360 doesn't generally play them. |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, the tvdb cache is *very* helpful when updating the same series |
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KhaZ__: |
Right. But if it's in the right format, it's not an issue? I'm currently mostly streaming xvids and stuff, and I'm just curious if Myth can do the job on that. |
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RDV_Linux: |
I reread your language comment. The current language filter only works on graphics and would need to be extended to meta data (-D) and fall back for everything. I put it on the new feature list. |
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sphery: |
For MythVideo videos, it may be possible (if they're supported CODEC's/containers), but if you're not using the TV stuff, MythTV probably isn't the program you want. |
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KhaZ__: |
Can I use MythTV as a UPnP streamer and ignore the rest of the tv-recording stuff? |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, Yeah, all just pie-in-the-sky stuff, what's there already does a graet job |
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KhaZ__: |
Hrmm; yeah, I'm not using the TV stuff at all in fact. Was more just hoping that MythTV could be my UPnP app of choice, since the rest of them seem so flakey and Myth has somewhat of a brand-name associated with it. ;) |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, just that the more I use it the more I start thinking about exotic usage cases-- and trust me, from a few years in Myth land, there are MENY exotic users out there |
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iamlindoro: |
er MANY |
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RDV_Linux: |
I suspect the real work will start when the new grabber interface specification come out. |
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iamlindoro: |
RDV_Linux, I believe our trusty MythVideo maintainer intends to make the necessary modifications himself, given time |
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sphery: |
KhaZ__: at least now (might change somewhat with the next version), the non-TV parts of Myth aren't really what builds the brand :) |
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KhaZ__: |
Fair enough. ;) I'll wait for MythUPnP. ;) |
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KhaZ__: |
No chance that the UPnP component of Myth is standalone, is it? |
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sphery: |
that said, someone here may have a recommendation for a good UPnP server... I don't do UPnP, so I don't have one. |
| [02:22:48] |
sphery: |
No. Myth's UPnP is a small part of the mythbackend. |
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KhaZ__: |
Right, makes sense.\ |
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KhaZ__: |
On that note, anyone here recommend a decent Linux -> Xbox 360 UPnP application? Hopefully free? :) |
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iamlindoro: |
!trout sphery some of us are trying to build the other parts of the brand, thanks for pooping on us |
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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a some of us are trying to build the other parts of the brand, thanks for pooping on us trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** |
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RDV_Linux: |
If you dig beyond ttvdb's use as a grabber for mythvideo it does many things useful for mass updates or nightly jobs. When I use my own scripts I always find more functionality I want to add. |
| [02:23:54] |
sphery: |
That said, though, if you /do/ setup up MythTV and get yourself a couple of capture cards, you may find yourself addicted to the TV stuff. |
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sphery: |
iamlindoro: I said, "might change somewhat with the next version"! |
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iamlindoro: |
sphery, Then again, some of us may be trying to make the merging of certain plugins and certain core functionality more realistic sounding |
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sphery: |
the "somewhat" just being due to my not having experienced any frontend plugins in trunk, yet (since my dev box is /waaaaaayyyyyy/ over there. |
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KhaZ__: |
sphery: True, but then I have to rationalize why I have an already purchased PVR *and* a computer running in my living room to my wife. ;) |
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iamlindoro: |
sphery, If you can take off a sock and hit it, then it's not way over there ;) |
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iamlindoro: |
who needs to run it in the living room? Run it in the closet and run some cables in the wall-- then your wife will love you for removing all those unsightly cables |
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sphery: |
KhaZ__: gut the PVR and stick a nice small mobo in there and she'll never notice... (OK, she /will/ notice--and at first will probably find many issues as you're trying to stabilize it, etc...) |
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iamlindoro: |
then you will get intercoursed |
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Lexridge: |
lol |
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KhaZ__: |
sphery: Heheh, true enough. Although you've got me wondering if my Motorola PVR has already been hacked by the linux crowd that way... |
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sphery: |
I definitely agree with the "don't put a myth frontend or backend in the viewing room" part of what iamlindoro said... |
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sphery: |
can't vouch for the second part, though |
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KhaZ__: |
iamlindoro: Hah. Yeah; recabling my house is another part of the whole endeavour. Le sigh. |
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iamlindoro: |
KhaZ__, This is lesson one of Mythboxing-- it's not a project, it's a hobby :) |
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sphery: |
I would send you a link to the features & screenshots page for MythTV, but I think it was last updated in version 0.13 (we're on 0.21, now) |
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sphery: |
yes, and it's a full-time hobby |
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sphery: |
:) |
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mkrufky: |
the sa3250ch program changes channels correctly for me, but mythtv doesnt. i have the firewire input correctly set up as p2p sa3250 — what else could be wrong? |
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KhaZ__: |
Hehe, I totally understand that. :) If there's one thing I'm guilty of, it's too many half-baked hobbies. :) |
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iamlindoro: |
mkrufky, might need to hack in the model and vendor IDs |
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sphery: |
KhaZ__: let's put it this way... I started off small with MythTV--standard def TV and a 300GB HDD for SDTV recording. I now have a 67" TV and 6.5TB of storage for 100% HDTV recordings. |
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mkrufky: |
iamlindoro: how? |
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sphery: |
And before Myth, I didn't really get into TV. |
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iamlindoro: |
mkrufky, I'm only familiar with how to get them on a moto box, though, but there's likely a verbose command for your channel changer that will spit them out |
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KhaZ: |
sphery: Hah, awesome. |
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iamlindoro: |
mkrufky, Then you need to compare them to the firewire channel changer code in myth for your model and make sure they match |
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